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<v Speaker 1>Everybody dies. Everybody Isn't that? So you tried to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the long draw today? Didn't you try? How do

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<v Speaker 1>the they'd come back? They didn't you? What Secret Night? Express?

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<v Speaker 1>By Alfred Noise. It was a battered old book bound

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<v Speaker 1>in red buckram. He found it when he was twelve

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<v Speaker 1>years old on an upper shelf in his father's library,

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<v Speaker 1>and against all the rules, he took it to his

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<v Speaker 1>bedroom to read by candlelight, when the rest of the

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<v Speaker 1>rambling old Elizabethan house was flooded with darkness. That was

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<v Speaker 1>how young Mortimer had always thought of it. His own

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<v Speaker 1>room was a little isolated cell in which, with stolen

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<v Speaker 1>candle ends, he could keep the surrounding darkness at bay,

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<v Speaker 1>while everyone else had surrendered to sleep and allowed the

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<v Speaker 1>night to come flooding in. By contrast with those unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>ones his elders, it made him feel intensely alive in

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<v Speaker 1>every nerve and fiber of his young brain. The ticking

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<v Speaker 1>of the grandfather clock in the hall below, the beating

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<v Speaker 1>of his own heart, the long, drawn, rhythmical ah of

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<v Speaker 1>the sea on the distant coast all filled him with

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of overwhelming mystery, And as he read the

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<v Speaker 1>soft thud of a blinded moth striking the wall above

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<v Speaker 1>the candle would make him start, and listened like a

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<v Speaker 1>creature of the woods at the sound of a cracking twig.

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<v Speaker 1>The battered old book had the strangest fascination for him,

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<v Speaker 1>though he never quite grasped the thread of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>It was called The Midnight Express, and there was one

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<v Speaker 1>illustration on the fiftieth page at which she could never

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<v Speaker 1>bear to look. It frightened him. Young Mortimer never understood

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<v Speaker 1>the effect of that picture on him. He was an

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<v Speaker 1>imaginative but not neurotic youngster, and he avoided that fiftieth

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<v Speaker 1>page as he might have hurried past the dark corner

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<v Speaker 1>on the stairs when he was six years old, or

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<v Speaker 1>as the grown man on the Lonely Road in the

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<v Speaker 1>Ancient Mariner, who, having once looked round, walks on and

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<v Speaker 1>turns no more his head. There was nothing in the

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<v Speaker 1>picture apparently to account for this haunting dread. Darkness, indeed

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<v Speaker 1>was almost its chief characteristic. It showed an empty railway

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<v Speaker 1>platform at night, lit by a single dreary lamp, an

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<v Speaker 1>empty railway platform that suggested a deserted and lonely junction

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<v Speaker 1>in some remote part of the country. There was only

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<v Speaker 1>one figure on the platform, the dark figure of a man,

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<v Speaker 1>standing almost directly under the lamp, with his face turned

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<v Speaker 1>away towards the black mouth of a tunnel, which, for

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<v Speaker 1>some strange reason plungung the imagination of the child into

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<v Speaker 1>a pit of horror. The man seemed to be listening.

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<v Speaker 1>His attitude was tense, expectant, as though he were awaiting

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<v Speaker 1>some fearful tragedy. There was nothing in the text, as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the child read and could understand, to account

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<v Speaker 1>for this waking nightmare. He could neither resist the fascination

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<v Speaker 1>of the book, nor face that picture in the stillness

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<v Speaker 1>and loneliness of the night. He pinned it down to

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<v Speaker 1>the page, facing it with two long pins, so that

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<v Speaker 1>he should not come upon it by accident. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>determined to read the whole story through, but always before

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<v Speaker 1>he came to page fifty he fell asleep, and the

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<v Speaker 1>outlines of what he had read were blurred, and the

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<v Speaker 1>next night he had to begin again, and again before

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<v Speaker 1>he came to the fiftieth page, he fell asleep. He

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<v Speaker 1>grew up and forgot all about the book and the picture.

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<v Speaker 1>But half way through his life, at that strange and

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<v Speaker 1>critical time. When Dante entered the dark wood, leaving the

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<v Speaker 1>direct path behind him, he found himself a little before

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<v Speaker 1>midnight waiting for a train at a lonely junction, And

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<v Speaker 1>as the station clock began to strike twelve, he remembered, remembered,

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<v Speaker 1>like a man awaking from a long dream. There under

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<v Speaker 1>the single dreary lamp on the long, glimmering platform was

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<v Speaker 1>the dark and solitary figure that he knew. Its face

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<v Speaker 1>was turned away from him towards the black mouth of

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<v Speaker 1>the tunnel. It seemed to be listening, tense, expectant, just

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<v Speaker 1>as it had been thirty eight years ago. But he

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<v Speaker 1>was not frightened now as he had been in childhood.

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<v Speaker 1>He would go up to that solitary figure, confront it

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<v Speaker 1>and see the face that had so long been hidden,

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<v Speaker 1>so long averted from him. He would walk up quietly

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<v Speaker 1>and make some excuse for speaking to it. He would

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<v Speaker 1>ask it, for instance, if the train was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be late. It should be easy for a grown man

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<v Speaker 1>to do this, But his hands were clenched when he

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<v Speaker 1>took the first step, as if he too were tense

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<v Speaker 1>and expectant. Quietly, but the old vague instincts awaking, he

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<v Speaker 1>went towards the dark figure, and the lamp passed it,

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<v Speaker 1>swung round abruptly to speak to it, and saw, without speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>without being able to speak, it was himself, staring back

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<v Speaker 1>at himself, as if in some mocking mirror, his own

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<v Speaker 1>eyes alive, in his own white face, looking into his

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<v Speaker 1>own eyes alive, the nerves of his heart tingled, as

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<v Speaker 1>though their own electric currents would it. A wave of

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<v Speaker 1>panic went through him. He turned, gasped, stumbled, broke into

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<v Speaker 1>a blind run out through the deserted and echoing ticket

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<v Speaker 1>office onto the long moonlit road behind the station. The

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<v Speaker 1>whole countryside seemed to be utterly deserted, the moonbeams flooded

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<v Speaker 1>it with the loneliness of their own deserted satellite. He

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<v Speaker 1>paused for a moment and heard, like the echo of

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<v Speaker 1>his own footsteps, the stumbling run of something that followed

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<v Speaker 1>over the wooden floor within the ticket office. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned himself, shamelessly to his fear, and ran, sweating like

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<v Speaker 1>a terrified beast, down the long white road, between the

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<v Speaker 1>two endless lines of ghostly poplars, each answering another into

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<v Speaker 1>what seemed an infinite distance. On one side of the road,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a long, straight canal in which one of

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<v Speaker 1>the lines of poplars was again endlessly reflected. He heard

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<v Speaker 1>the footsteps echoing behind him. They seemed to be slowly

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<v Speaker 1>but steadily gaining upon him. A quarter of a mile

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<v Speaker 1>away he saw a small white cottage by the roadside,

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<v Speaker 1>a white cottage with two dark windows and a door

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<v Speaker 1>that somehow suggested a human face. He thought to himself

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<v Speaker 1>that if he could reach it in time, he might

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<v Speaker 1>find shelter and security and escape. The thin, implacable footsteps

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<v Speaker 1>echoing his own were still some way off when he lurched,

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<v Speaker 1>gasping into the little porch, rattled the latch, thrusted the door,

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<v Speaker 1>and found it locked against him. There was no bell

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<v Speaker 1>or knocker. He pounded on the wood with his fists

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<v Speaker 1>until his knuckles bled. The response was horribly slow. At

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<v Speaker 1>last he heard heavier footsteps within the cottage. Slowly they

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<v Speaker 1>descended the creaking stair. Slowly the door was unlocked. A tall,

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<v Speaker 1>shadowy figure stood before him, holding a lighted candle in

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<v Speaker 1>such a way that he could see little either of

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<v Speaker 1>the holder's face or form. But to his dumb horror,

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<v Speaker 1>there seemed to be a seer cloth wrapped round the face.

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<v Speaker 1>No words passed between them. The figure beckoned him in

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<v Speaker 1>again without a word. The figure went before him up

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<v Speaker 1>the crooked stair, with the ghostly candle casting huge and

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<v Speaker 1>grotesque shadows on the whitewashed walls and ceiling. They entered

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<v Speaker 1>an upper room, in which there was a bright fire burning,

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<v Speaker 1>with an armchair on either side of it, and a

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<v Speaker 1>small oak table on which there lay a battered book,

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<v Speaker 1>a battered old book bound in dark red buckram. It

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<v Speaker 1>seemed as though the guest had been long expected and

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<v Speaker 1>all things were prepared. The figure pointed to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the armchairs, placed the candlestick on the table by the book,

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<v Speaker 1>for there was no other light but that of the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>and withdrew without a word, locking the door behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>Mortimer looked at the candlestick. It seemed familiar. The smell

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<v Speaker 1>of the guttering wax brought back the little room in

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<v Speaker 1>the old Elizabethan house. He picked up the book with

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<v Speaker 1>trembling fingers. He recognized it at once, though he had

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<v Speaker 1>long forgotten everything about the story, remembered the ink stain

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<v Speaker 1>on the title page, and then with a shock of recollection,

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<v Speaker 1>he came on the fiftieth page, which he had pinned

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<v Speaker 1>down in childhood. The pins were still there. He touched

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<v Speaker 1>them again, the very pins which his trembling, childish fingers

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<v Speaker 1>had used so long ago. He turned to the beginning.

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<v Speaker 1>He was determined to read it to the end now

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<v Speaker 1>and discover what it was all about. He felt that

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<v Speaker 1>it must all be set down there in print, and

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<v Speaker 1>though in childhood he could not understand it, he would

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<v Speaker 1>be able to fathom it now. It was called The

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<v Speaker 1>Midnight Express, And as he read the first paragraph he

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<v Speaker 1>began to dawn upon him, slowly, fearfully, inevitably. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the story of a man who, in childhood, long ago,

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<v Speaker 1>had chanced upon a book in which there was a

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<v Speaker 1>picture that frightened him. He had grown up and forgotten it,

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<v Speaker 1>and one night, upon a lonely railway platform, he had

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<v Speaker 1>found himself in the remembered scene of that picture. He

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<v Speaker 1>had confronted the solitary figure under the lamp, recognized it,

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<v Speaker 1>and fled in panic, had taken shelter in a wayside cottage,

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<v Speaker 1>had been led to an upper room, found the book

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<v Speaker 1>awaiting him, and had begun to read it right through

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<v Speaker 1>to the very end at last. And this book, too,

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<v Speaker 1>was called The Midnight Express, and it was the story

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<v Speaker 1>of a man who in childhood it would go on

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<v Speaker 1>thus forever and forever and forever. There was no escape.

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<v Speaker 1>But when the story came to the wayside cottage for

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<v Speaker 1>the third time, a deeper suspicion began to dawn upon him, slowly, fearfully, inevitably.

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<v Speaker 1>Although there was no escape, he could at last try

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<v Speaker 1>to grasp more clearly the details of the strange circle,

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<v Speaker 1>the fearful wheel in which he was moving. There was

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<v Speaker 1>nothing new about the details. They've been there all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had not grasped their significance. That was all

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<v Speaker 1>the strange and dreadful being that had led him up

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<v Speaker 1>the crooked stair. Who and what was that the story

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned something that had escaped him. The strange host who

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<v Speaker 1>had given him shelter was about his own height. Could

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<v Speaker 1>it be that he also? And was this why the

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<v Speaker 1>face was hidden? At the very moment when he asked

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<v Speaker 1>himself that question, he heard the click of the key

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<v Speaker 1>in the locked door. The strange host was entering, moving

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<v Speaker 1>towards him from behind, casting a grotesque shadow, larger than

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<v Speaker 1>human on the white walls in the guttering candlelight. It

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<v Speaker 1>was there, seated on the other side of the fire,

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<v Speaker 1>facing him, with a horrible nonchalance, as a woman might

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<v Speaker 1>prepare to remove a veil. It raised its hands to

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<v Speaker 1>unwind the sere cloth from its face. He knew to

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<v Speaker 1>whom it would belong. Would it be living or dead?

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<v Speaker 1>There was no way but one. As Mortimer plunged forward

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<v Speaker 1>and seized the tormentor by the throat, his own throat

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<v Speaker 1>was gripped but the same brutal force. The echoes of

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<v Speaker 1>their strangled cry were indistinguishable, And when the last confused

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<v Speaker 1>sounds died out together, the stillness of the room was

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<v Speaker 1>so deep that you might have heard the ticking of

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<v Speaker 1>the old grandfather clock and the long drawn, rhythmical ah

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<v Speaker 1>of the sea on a distant coast thirty eight years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>But Mortimer had escaped at last, Perhaps after all, he

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<v Speaker 1>had caught the Midnight Express. It was a battered old

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<v Speaker 1>book bound in red Buckram. Everybody dies, everybody there. That

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<v Speaker 1>was Midnight Express by Alfred Noise. And sometimes you see

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<v Speaker 1>it as the Midnight Express. But the version I've got

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<v Speaker 1>from the anthology I got was Midnight Express. So the

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<v Speaker 1>first thing is I'll tell you something about Alfred Noise himself. So.

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<v Speaker 1>He was born in eighteen eighty died in nineteen fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an English poet, storyteller and popular man of

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<v Speaker 1>letters who his career traces a revealing archromade Wardian romance

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<v Speaker 1>the mid twentieth century cultural critique. He was born in

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<v Speaker 1>Wolverhampton and the West Midlands, in on sixteenth September eighteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>His dad was also Alfred and his wife was Amelia Adams,

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<v Speaker 1>and he spent formative years in Aberystwyth in Wales, where

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<v Speaker 1>his father taught Latin and Greek, and the Welsh coast

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<v Speaker 1>The Loom of Years nineteen oh two cost him a

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<v Speaker 1>George Meredith, and it sold well with the general public

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<v Speaker 1>verse volumes, The Flower Rolled Japan, The Forest of Wild

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<v Speaker 1>Time Poems, which contained the Barrel Organ, and he quickly

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<v Speaker 1>The High Women Imagine being a commercially successful poet these days.

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<v Speaker 1>The High Women, first published in Blackwood's magazine in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh six and reprinted the following year in forty. Singing

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<v Speaker 1>Seamen and other poems, remained his most enduring worker, Ballad

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<v Speaker 1>almost cinematic imagery. The same time, he embarked on a

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<v Speaker 1>a twelve book blank verse treatment of Sir Francis Drake

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<v Speaker 1>of Tennison and the late Romantics. By his early thirties

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<v Speaker 1>in collective form, and became, in the phrase of one critic,

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<v Speaker 1>even as more fastidious review as being the cool on him.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was a professional writer as well as a

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<v Speaker 1>literary one. He wrote in short stories, essays, criticism, and

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<v Speaker 1>fiction alongside poetry, and was industrious in cultivating Transatlantic audiences

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<v Speaker 1>he saw the bulk of the people lived. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>oh seven, he married Garner Daniel's, daughter of an American diplomat,

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<v Speaker 1>a union that anchored him socially and emotionally to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. He had successful lectures there in nineteen thirteen fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was appointed as professor of Modern English literature

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<v Speaker 1>at Princeton University, where he was until nineteen twenty three.

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<v Speaker 1>His students included F. Scott Fitzgerald and Edmund Wilson, and

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<v Speaker 1>his public persona urbane, patriotic eloquent, made him a natural

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<v Speaker 1>such as Robin Hood plus He's Robin Hood play Sorry

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<v Speaker 1>Sherwood nineteen eleven, which was later retitled Robbinhood well. In

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<v Speaker 1>the First World War, he was rejected for frontline service

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<v Speaker 1>because of poor eyesight, and he worked for the Foreign

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<v Speaker 1>Office alongside John Buchan on propaganda and morale building projects.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote some conventional patriotic verse and setales, and also

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<v Speaker 1>The Wine Press, which depicts in unsparing terms the suffering

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<v Speaker 1>and futility of modern conflict. The Victory Ball, inspired by

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<v Speaker 1>his disgusted post war frivolity in London while the Dead

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<v Speaker 1>refrain under the dancing feet are the Graves indicts the

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<v Speaker 1>forgetfulness of the living. After the war, he continued to

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<v Speaker 1>produce fiction and tales of the uncannic ghost stories such

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<v Speaker 1>as Lucitania Weights and The log of the Evening Star

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<v Speaker 1>are still anthologized, are they? Though this anthology? I've got

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<v Speaker 1>quite an older one to nineteen eighties one, so he wrote.

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<v Speaker 1>He was an agnostic originally and became increasingly preoccupied, preoccupied

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<v Speaker 1>a trilogy called of poems called The Torch Bearers Watchers

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<v Speaker 1>of the Sky in nineteen twenty two, The Book of

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<v Speaker 1>the Earth nineteen twenty five, and The Last Voyage nineteen thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>His private life in the twenties was marked by loss

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<v Speaker 1>and reorientation. Garnet Noise died in nineteen twenty six when

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<v Speaker 1>they were visiting friends in Saint gen dulus I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's French or Spanish. Saint gen Duluze.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess Luth would be in Spanisher, not with the

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<v Speaker 1>Cumbrian accento, an event that pushed him further in Wood

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<v Speaker 1>and Sharpeney's religious search. In nineteen twenty seven he married

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<v Speaker 1>Mary angela Man, the widow of a Catholic officer, and

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<v Speaker 1>he himself was received into the Roman Catholic Church. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he wrote a book about how he became a

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic in nineteen thirty four. So he then settled in

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<v Speaker 1>the Isle of Wight at Lyle Coumney Ventna, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was a defender of tradition against the disintegrating forces in

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<v Speaker 1>the modern world. He might choice of Shakespeare, Milton Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>bove All, Tennyson, I've got a lot of notes on him.

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<v Speaker 1>And then in these final decades Bouts of ill health

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<v Speaker 1>and failing eyesight forced him to dictate rather than write.

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<v Speaker 1>He spent much of the Second World War in North

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<v Speaker 1>America lecturing for the Allied cause, before returning permanently to

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<v Speaker 1>the Isle of White in nineteen forty nine. Alongside serious work,

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<v Speaker 1>he produced lighter pieces, notably Childham's children's verse Daddy Fell

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<v Speaker 1>in the Pond, the title piece of A nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>two and he died of polio and the Isle of

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<v Speaker 1>Wight in June fifty eight and was buried in the

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic Cemetery Saint Save Years at Totland. By that time,

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<v Speaker 1>his reputation had sunk. He was an embodiment of an

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<v Speaker 1>obsolete sentimental format sentimental formally conservative strain of verse. But

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<v Speaker 1>he keeps coming through. Now. I thought this was an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting story, really, So This One Midnight Express was published

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<v Speaker 1>on the third November nineteen thirty five, significantly in an

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<v Speaker 1>American newspaper supplement called This Week in many anthologies, So

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<v Speaker 1>when we look at it, we think it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>story that's important. You could probably give the bare plot

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<v Speaker 1>in about two sentences and lose nothing, should we do it?

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, a man reads a book as a small

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<v Speaker 1>boy which haunts him. He finds himself in that situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and he finds himself kind of in the story, just

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<v Speaker 1>repeating it round and round and round, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>bit horrific. There you go, we'll not really sure what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>But what we have is we have this low, insistent

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<v Speaker 1>field of dread which settles on the reader. And when

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<v Speaker 1>you find out what technically what happened. So it isn't

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative that creates the dread in some cases, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in a traditional suspense novel, it's the narrative that racks

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<v Speaker 1>up those emotions. Whereas this is the descriptions. You can

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<v Speaker 1>tell he's a poet, the poetic nature of the prose.

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<v Speaker 1>The imagery, you know, very significant imagery. What we got,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know you could paint. You could do

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic graphic novel of it. Actually, so somebody should

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<v Speaker 1>do it, not me. I can't draw. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the Red Book, haven't you? That? Very the

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<v Speaker 1>book read bookrom book and the where he you know,

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<v Speaker 1>him reading it with the stolen candle stubs in this

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabethan mansion bag on what a picture. And then you

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<v Speaker 1>have him pinning the Then you've got the illustration that

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't want to see of the lonely platform with

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<v Speaker 1>the single figure and the pins in the book, and

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<v Speaker 1>then basically you have then it morphing. So he's on

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<v Speaker 1>that platform and then you know, it's so visual, is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm trying to say. And then he goes. Then

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<v Speaker 1>he's greeted by this sear cloth. It's like a Muslim cloth,

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<v Speaker 1>I think around the face. And I should have actually

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<v Speaker 1>looked it up rather than just guessing what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, I saw this figure with a like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like they make puddings with Muslim Muslim Muslim Muslim. I

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<v Speaker 1>was mixed those two words up. They're quite different in meaning.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, over his fiast, as we'd say, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's led up the stairs with candlelight and you can

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<v Speaker 1>just again the graphic imagery and he sits in this

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<v Speaker 1>room with the fire and the armchairs, and there's the book,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and that's it. It's just the images. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I think it's the it's the weirdness a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the just it's the dreamlike nightmarish quality of

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<v Speaker 1>the images. It doesn't feel totally real. It is it's vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>I keep coming back to this, don't I so? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a dejah vous terror as well. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we've been here before. I'm going to come back to

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<v Speaker 1>that in a minute. So you know, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>clearly set up. It's a short story. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the shortest ones I've done for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time. I'm usually doing the hourly ones, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing the long added The Willows by Blackwood, I

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<v Speaker 1>of the Beatle by Richard Marshall. These are all like

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<v Speaker 1>So when I was reading him, because of the poetics,

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<v Speaker 1>you've got Walter Delomairez the Listeners, haven't you? And who

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<v Speaker 1>was a poet? And of course one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>book I'm looking at and I was Behold This Dreamer

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<v Speaker 1>and Anthology by Delamaire. So there is something about Delamare

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<v Speaker 1>is really good at conjuring these gothicky images. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>of All Hallows. But you know, a lot of his

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<v Speaker 1>books are like that. They've got a vibe, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's a very poetic writer. But I would say

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<v Speaker 1>that Delamare has more story. All hallows is it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of short on story. It's a little bit like this,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of the other stuff we've done by

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<v Speaker 1>Delamare has a bit more story. So when we think

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<v Speaker 1>about the so Delamaire tends to dissolve plot into mood,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas noise hardens plot into a loop. In this story,

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<v Speaker 1>childhood encounter book within the book and then they're strangling

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<v Speaker 1>that follows us back into the opening line. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of a story within a story is sort

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<v Speaker 1>of very Arabian Nights. What was his name, Irwin? A

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<v Speaker 1>book called the Arabian Nightmare and he, oh, what's his

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<v Speaker 1>first name? Is famous Arabist and he did this story

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<v Speaker 1>based on the Arabian Nights. The Arabian Nights famously our

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<v Speaker 1>stories within stories, and it's a it's a technique of

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<v Speaker 1>nesting a story within a story, which I really quite like.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's that's what we're seeing here. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so we say Walter Delomare tends to dissolve plot into mood,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is this loop, where As you may argue

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<v Speaker 1>that Delomare understructures his tales until they're almost pure implication.

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<v Speaker 1>I think of the last one we did, the Recluse.

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<v Speaker 1>You know nothing which happens in that really, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>almost pure implication. Almost nothing happens, and nothing is what

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<v Speaker 1>disturbs you. That's still a maire so noise. On the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, although he's a poet as well and uses

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<v Speaker 1>that imagery, and I've just been talking about the imagery

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<v Speaker 1>and the vibe that he conjures with the candles and

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<v Speaker 1>these faces and the lonely I've just said that there

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a lot of plot, but it is essential to

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<v Speaker 1>the drive of the story. I think. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>point I've just made there is quite weak, if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind me saying, now we've got this idea of

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<v Speaker 1>the trapped cycle, my mind being what it is, it

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<v Speaker 1>runs off into tangents, doesn't it. So I just knocked

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<v Speaker 1>the microphone. Sorry. So the tangents that I came to

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<v Speaker 1>were Friedrich Nietzsche's idea of the eternal return, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course Black Mirror, and and also Lewis Borges, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Argentinian writer with these kind of loops and playing

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<v Speaker 1>with time. So what we have we think Borcas's stories.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we think a Groundhog Day, of course, the

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<v Speaker 1>movie Groundhog Day, whereby you're stuck in his repeating loop.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's it is, It's not an unfamiliar trope.

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<v Speaker 1>With Borcas. We have like the Circular Ruins, where the

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<v Speaker 1>dreamer spends his life constructing a man in dreams, only

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<v Speaker 1>to discover at the end that he himself is in

413
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<v Speaker 1>another's dream, you know, immune to fire because he's not real.

414
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<v Speaker 1>And then we have not necessarily circul but sometimes circular

415
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<v Speaker 1>but self referential, the Library of Babel, the Immortal Garden,

416
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the Fucking Path Death, and the Compass, where characters moving

417
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<v Speaker 1>structures that repeat branch your full back and the terrorized

418
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<v Speaker 1>in discovering that one's freedom is framed by an inhuman design.

419
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<v Speaker 1>I think this is a really important theme. It isn't

420
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<v Speaker 1>necessarily implicit in this story. Well, no, it is implicit

421
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<v Speaker 1>in this story potentially, but it's not explicit, whereas in

422
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<v Speaker 1>some of the Borcher stories. It is whereby this idea

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<v Speaker 1>that we believe we're living a free life, and yet

424
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<v Speaker 1>we are doomed to repeat patterns. Do you see what

425
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:16.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, and so certainly that's what's happening here. He

426
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<v Speaker 1>doesn't suspect there's a boy that he is trapped in

427
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>a loop that he's going to he's going to be repeating.

428
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<v Speaker 1>And of course, you know Black Mirror, the very successful

429
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<v Speaker 1>speculative fiction series on TV. It often uses these literal

430
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<v Speaker 1>or digital loops, and they have the White Bear, which

431
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.519
<v Speaker 1>traps his protagonist in the daily reset of terror, amnesia,

432
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<v Speaker 1>in public humiliation, humiliation. The same scenario is performed again

433
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<v Speaker 1>and again as punishment and spectacle. The repetition itself is

434
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<v Speaker 1>a toment that we have Black Museum extended with digital

435
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>cookies forced in the cycles of suffering and display. And

436
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>the anthology as a whole hints that uploaded consciousness stuck

437
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<v Speaker 1>in endless inescapable similars, and then we have this idea

438
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>of eternal, indefinite route but they usually coded as hell.

439
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 1>So you get this, you can you can do different

440
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.720
<v Speaker 1>things with this. So the Groundhog Day could be hell,

441
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 1>but there's there's comedy in there, and there is a lighter,

442
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.319
<v Speaker 1>and there's a possibility of escape, and in this story

443
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:21.599
<v Speaker 1>there is no I don't think there's a possibility of escape.

444
00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:25.880
<v Speaker 1>In this story the amid Night Express, not even amid

445
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Night Express, Midnight Express. This guy's going to loop around.

446
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>It was introduced to him as a child, and that

447
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<v Speaker 1>was the kind of it, the tip they should have

448
00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:36.400
<v Speaker 1>been the tip off, and he's doomed to just repeat

449
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.160
<v Speaker 1>and go around. So in a sense, it is almost

450
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:46.079
<v Speaker 1>an imprisonment, a hellish imprisonment. So different writers play with this.

451
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Usually it's implicitly awful. It's usually quite horrific, this idea

452
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.319
<v Speaker 1>that we will never escape and related to that. So

453
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<v Speaker 1>I think you can have it where it's just like

454
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<v Speaker 1>a feature of you know that the sun goes comes

455
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<v Speaker 1>around every day, the year repeats itself. We don't find

456
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<v Speaker 1>these essentially horrific. But and so on the one hand,

457
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.920
<v Speaker 1>we can have these loop stories whereby they're not horrific grind.

458
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<v Speaker 1>I don't find I enjoy groundhog Day. And some of

459
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<v Speaker 1>the barker stuff is just interesting. It has an edge

460
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<v Speaker 1>of unpleasantness, I think, But some are explicitly some of

461
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the black mirrors of is explicitly horrific. We're stuck here.

462
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<v Speaker 1>So my point here is that in some cases it's

463
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<v Speaker 1>just a feature of natural The natural system like the

464
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<v Speaker 1>sun coming up. In others, there is a hint that

465
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<v Speaker 1>there's a malign intelligence behind it. And this is what

466
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<v Speaker 1>I think links it totally. My mind skips over, but

467
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<v Speaker 1>I think these are you know, Germaine links. We have

468
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<v Speaker 1>the love Crafting idea of cosmic horror, whereby we are

469
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<v Speaker 1>the pawns of huge powers. And I think often in

470
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<v Speaker 1>Lovecraft were mostly in love Craft. It's not that they

471
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<v Speaker 1>have they just we're nothing to them, you know, It's

472
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>like us stepping on an ant hill. So but our

473
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>lives are totally conditioned by these huge things, and we

474
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.319
<v Speaker 1>find out about it, we're going to go mad because

475
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>our insignificance. But what I'm driving at in some of

476
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 1>these stories we edge towards not the just the cosmic insignificance.

477
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>So we have it's just a feature of the natural world.

478
00:31:24.240 --> 00:31:26.079
<v Speaker 1>And so what you know, like in groundog Day, I

479
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.799
<v Speaker 1>feel like and then we have, yes, it's a feature

480
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.359
<v Speaker 1>of the natural world. These are these huge, powerful things

481
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>that could crush us, but they don't mean it's any

482
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:35.720
<v Speaker 1>harm that you don't care about us, but it's still

483
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>fairly terrifying. And then we edge into this idea that

484
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<v Speaker 1>actually this is being done in kind of some kind

485
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 1>of demonic way, and these loops are deliberately created for

486
00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.480
<v Speaker 1>us out of wickedness and evil in order to make

487
00:31:53.559 --> 00:31:56.880
<v Speaker 1>us suffer. Do you see what I'm saying now? This

488
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I always was really interested when I used to work

489
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<v Speaker 1>with people with paranoid schizophrenia, because this is a recurrent

490
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:12.119
<v Speaker 1>feature of paranoid schizophrenia, particularly that they feel that they

491
00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>are not that this whole thing is a facade. It's

492
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:19.839
<v Speaker 1>a Truman show if you like, and this isn't Truman's

493
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:21.839
<v Speaker 1>is not in a loop, of course. So there are

494
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 1>two ideas of the idea of the loop, and there's

495
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the idea of the world being controlled by shadowy, evil

496
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 1>forces who don't mince any good. But you can put

497
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.480
<v Speaker 1>the two together and make it especially horrible. So what

498
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying about the paranoid schizophrenics, I used to find that,

499
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes there were religious so it was demons

500
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.319
<v Speaker 1>who were doing this, and demons were in control of

501
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 1>the world, and demons were trying to manipulate them and

502
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:48.920
<v Speaker 1>had power. And then there was the other ones that

503
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:50.960
<v Speaker 1>were you know, it was the CIA, or it was

504
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.319
<v Speaker 1>the KGB, or was m I five or it was

505
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.039
<v Speaker 1>the police, that those were really common, but always it's

506
00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 1>shadowy forces whose most tives are very unclear. And when

507
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.880
<v Speaker 1>you press these people about why they'd want to do this.

508
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:08.359
<v Speaker 1>I remember doing this kind of technique. Very lovely woman,

509
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.079
<v Speaker 1>and she had this idea she'd probably be dead now.

510
00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:14.039
<v Speaker 1>She had this idea that she was being watched by

511
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:17.079
<v Speaker 1>the police, and they'd fixed cameras in her This is

512
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:19.920
<v Speaker 1>really common because being watched is really important in these

513
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>paranoid delusions, and they'd fixed cameras in her house, everywhere

514
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 1>she went. And so I did a kind of a

515
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:30.079
<v Speaker 1>CBT thing and deconstruction of it, which is to say, well,

516
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:33.200
<v Speaker 1>where's the evidence for this. Let's reduce it to absurdity,

517
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:37.599
<v Speaker 1>you know, reductio ad absurdum, and let's think about this.

518
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:40.720
<v Speaker 1>So why is it? Well, because she'd been on holiday

519
00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.240
<v Speaker 1>to Spain and she'd had this thought, which they call

520
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 1>the psychotic insight, which is usually nonsense. And then of

521
00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 1>course when you build on that, very often that everything

522
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>follows logically, but it's the initial psychotic insight which is

523
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<v Speaker 1>the delusion. And this in her case, she believed that

524
00:33:55.640 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the Spanish police thought that she was a prostitute. So

525
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:00.640
<v Speaker 1>you might arguably say, well, well there are lots of

526
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.240
<v Speaker 1>prostitutes in Spain and they don't do this to them.

527
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.759
<v Speaker 1>And they and you know, even if they thought the

528
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Spanish police thought you were a prostitute when you'd left Spain,

529
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you weren't their problem anymore. You're only there on holiday. Nobody.

530
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:15.280
<v Speaker 1>In her view, it was such an important thing. I'm like,

531
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I was burgled, I had my car broken into. They

532
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.480
<v Speaker 1>never even turned up. Man, you know, why are they

533
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 1>going to do this? I didn't actually say that, but

534
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, so I'm saying I can't see it would

535
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:26.599
<v Speaker 1>be a p and there are prostitutes in where we lived,

536
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:28.800
<v Speaker 1>and they don't do this to them, or do they

537
00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Well she didn't know that, but they did with her.

538
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<v Speaker 1>So then we worked out I said, well, how many

539
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.880
<v Speaker 1>rooms have you got? We worked out how many cameras

540
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:36.719
<v Speaker 1>and it was a multitude of cameras are in the

541
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 1>garden as well. And I said, so let's think about this.

542
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.920
<v Speaker 1>They've got somebody having to this is before AI. Somebody

543
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.960
<v Speaker 1>have to watch these cameras, and they've got to do

544
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 1>twenty four hours. So they're going to be a shift

545
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.400
<v Speaker 1>system and they've got to be paid they've got to

546
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>have holidays. There's going to be sick sickness, somebody's going

547
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:55.719
<v Speaker 1>to have to process it. There's going to have to

548
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:59.199
<v Speaker 1>be analysts looking at it. And they've never even approached

549
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>you to accuse you of anything. So this is phenomenally expensive.

550
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:06.400
<v Speaker 1>And of course she said to me, she's a lovely woman.

551
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.079
<v Speaker 1>She said, oh, yeah, I can see that. That doesn't

552
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 1>make any sense to it, I said, And I thought

553
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I was getting somewhere, you know. And then she said,

554
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.079
<v Speaker 1>but look at that leaf, And I said, well, she's moved,

555
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.280
<v Speaker 1>hasn't it. I don't know, Yes, she said, it's moved

556
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.599
<v Speaker 1>since I was last year. They've been here. And so

557
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 1>this idea of the paranoid obviously, this is only one

558
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of many, many cases, this paranoid observation. And you see

559
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>it in a less strong form, a weaker form, in

560
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:37.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of conspiracy theories, These ideas that people would go

561
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 1>to a huge lengths to pretend people have gone to

562
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 1>the moon, and the arguments they'll raise a sound on

563
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:48.119
<v Speaker 1>the face of it superficially attract Well, it's very expensive

564
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:51.760
<v Speaker 1>and much easier not to go and just to pretend. Yeah,

565
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.280
<v Speaker 1>but but you know, why would you do that, or

566
00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>you know that the world's flat and it's just been

567
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:00.360
<v Speaker 1>withheld from us that aliens are in touch with but

568
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 1>the governments are just not letting us know. And this

569
00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:07.599
<v Speaker 1>idea of shadowy powers who were deceiving us. Now, don't

570
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.039
<v Speaker 1>get me wrong, I do believe that the governments do

571
00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.400
<v Speaker 1>deceive us. See, there's an there's there's an issue of

572
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.440
<v Speaker 1>a kernel of truth in all of these things. It's

573
00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:16.559
<v Speaker 1>is when you've extrapolated to huge things. That's my I

574
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>mean a lot of people, I swear to you, a

575
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.079
<v Speaker 1>lot of people will be listening to this who believe

576
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.239
<v Speaker 1>these things and they think and I've been called it.

577
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:25.239
<v Speaker 1>I had one guy contact me, called me an agent

578
00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:29.239
<v Speaker 1>of an asset of the deep state. I'm like, they

579
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 1>don't pay me, mate, So you know, if I am

580
00:36:32.400 --> 00:36:35.960
<v Speaker 1>an asset, I want I want paying conditions set out

581
00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 1>and I want to be generously paid, and they're not

582
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:41.960
<v Speaker 1>paying me. So of course if they offered to pay me,

583
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 1>I would refuse, just as we're clear anyway. So anyway,

584
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:48.679
<v Speaker 1>so I've gone a long way about that, this idea.

585
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.719
<v Speaker 1>And let's talk about Fredrik Nietzsche. So Fredrik Nietzsche famously

586
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:57.880
<v Speaker 1>had this idea of the eternal return. So he was

587
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 1>a German philosopher. He came across his idea or he

588
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>concocted this idea in eighteen eighties, and it was only

589
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.519
<v Speaker 1>these fundamental ideas, and he talked it was so important.

590
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.320
<v Speaker 1>This actually sounds like a psychotic moment. Actually he had

591
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<v Speaker 1>this in August eighteen eighty one. This is usually how

592
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 1>they strike walking by Lake Silver Plan in Switzerland, when

593
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the thoughts struck him with the force of a revelation.

594
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:23.599
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a psychotic inside to me, what if everything occurs?

595
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 1>But what I mean by that is it feels tremendously significant.

596
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:27.920
<v Speaker 1>So if you ever thought and you think, oh well,

597
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.599
<v Speaker 1>Coronation Streets on half past seven, doesn't hit you with

598
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>that revelation. Or you might think, do you know what,

599
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>I think the council is wasting my council tax money

600
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:39.519
<v Speaker 1>and that doesn't hit you with the revelation. But it

601
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:42.519
<v Speaker 1>might be, you know, you might have this wonderful inside

602
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 1>that whoa, this is the most important things in slave spread.

603
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 1>I have a mission now too, And this is something

604
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:50.079
<v Speaker 1>welling up from the unconscious. You're being possessed by the

605
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 1>unconscious in this idea, and that isn't the same as

606
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:57.280
<v Speaker 1>the demonic possession. So anyway, there's nature and this idea,

607
00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 1>everything occurs, reoccurs. You must live the same life again,

608
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:05.199
<v Speaker 1>innumerable tile times, in every detail. So he writes this

609
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.320
<v Speaker 1>in a stark thought experiment at the end of book

610
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<v Speaker 1>four of the Gay Science, known as Joyous Joyous Science.

611
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 1>It's not they don't call it gay science anymore. I

612
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:15.119
<v Speaker 1>got a version of it, and it was called the

613
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<v Speaker 1>Joyous visten Shaft joyous Knowledge. I eyed in English, but

614
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.320
<v Speaker 1>it's translated from German. And then then it becomes the

615
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<v Speaker 1>central motif of Thus spoke Zarathustra eighteen eighty eight, eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty five. Family from working and come on, and he

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<v Speaker 1>struggles with the horror then the demand to affirm this doctrine.

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<v Speaker 1>So this idea of cyclical stuff. So, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>if it was a belief, and it's not clear to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it may be clear that somebody's read in more

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<v Speaker 1>detail that he actually believed this was the truth, and

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<v Speaker 1>we just we just cycle through the same life in

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<v Speaker 1>every detail. We don't know it. And it becomes a

624
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<v Speaker 1>thought experiment in his philosophy, and what it is saying

625
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<v Speaker 1>is if you knew that you were just reliving this

626
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<v Speaker 1>life exactly as it is to return eternally, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>you can affirm it, you're complaining and go, yes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>living my life as I want to, and if I

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<v Speaker 1>have to live it all again, I affirm it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will do that. If you recall in horror from it,

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<v Speaker 1>you you know, this is the thought examerly and there's

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<v Speaker 1>something wrong with the way you live in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's the basis of it. And then and

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<v Speaker 1>then he's earlier than the existentialist. But we get to

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<v Speaker 1>something like Jean Paul Sartre who talks about good faith,

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<v Speaker 1>which is this idea, you know, you need to live

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<v Speaker 1>your life in a way that you that you can

638
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<v Speaker 1>philosophically sleep at night with it, that you you know,

639
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<v Speaker 1>the things that you do are in accord with how

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<v Speaker 1>you believe you should be living your life. Because many

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<v Speaker 1>of us, many of us have ideas that we should

642
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<v Speaker 1>be doing this, but we don't do it. And in

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<v Speaker 1>Satra's terms, that would be bad faith, and in I

644
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<v Speaker 1>think in Nietzschees terms, that would be you know, yeah,

645
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<v Speaker 1>you would be recoiling from this eternal Recouncil. So the

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<v Speaker 1>link between this is just this idea. I'm not saying

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<v Speaker 1>that Alfred Noise is making this point. I'm saying I

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<v Speaker 1>think my whole point has been that the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>the eternal return is horrific, easily slips into horror. But

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<v Speaker 1>Nietzsche's point is you should live a life that you affirm,

651
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<v Speaker 1>you say yes to it, not erasing suffering, not by

652
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<v Speaker 1>editing the past, not by doing anything different, but just

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<v Speaker 1>just accept your life. And he called this amor fati

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<v Speaker 1>the love of one's fate. And this, to me again

655
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<v Speaker 1>is really similar to Albert Kamu's idea of the accepting life,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the absurd. You know, he was said that,

657
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<v Speaker 1>you know, life is absurd and there is no comfort

658
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<v Speaker 1>in it, but you've got to accept it as it is.

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<v Speaker 1>So I meaning cas Camus life. You know, he no,

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<v Speaker 1>he lived through the Second World War, or he lived

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<v Speaker 1>through the Alga He was Algerian, his French Algerian. He's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all the bloody Algerian War there. And his

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<v Speaker 1>view was, you know, this is dreadful, this is awful.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't he didn't go along with it, but he

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, any suffering that one has in life. You

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<v Speaker 1>just accept it, you know. And so he has this

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<v Speaker 1>famous point about Sisyphus, you know, the myth of Sisyphus,

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<v Speaker 1>who's condemned every day to puck push the rock up

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<v Speaker 1>the hill and it rolls down. He pushes it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we can easily imagine this is being hell. This

671
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<v Speaker 1>is the eternal return as hell, isn't it. So Camus says,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to imagine Sisyphus happy he's living this life.

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<v Speaker 1>But he affirms the life. This is the Nietzsche idea,

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<v Speaker 1>the amor fati, this is my fate. I affirm my life.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you respond? So it's how do you respond?

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<v Speaker 1>You see, it's a it's a big ask your choice.

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<v Speaker 1>So so basically radical responsibility. You are responsible for every

678
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<v Speaker 1>choice you make for all ways. No merely a phase.

679
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<v Speaker 1>It's no temporary and you can't justify it. This is

680
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<v Speaker 1>terrible now, but history or God uposterity will redeem it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to live in it. Now. It's hard. It's hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard, so you live in good faith to accept

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<v Speaker 1>that each act. I'm mixing my metaphors here because of course,

684
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<v Speaker 1>NEETs you would say amor fati the affirm in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to talk about good faith and bad faith is satra.

686
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<v Speaker 1>But if you live in bad faith is to act

687
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<v Speaker 1>as if what you do now does not fully belong

688
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<v Speaker 1>to you, as if you could disown it later or

689
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<v Speaker 1>tuck it away. So basically like when you eat that

690
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<v Speaker 1>chocolate bar. You don't want to eat that chocolate bar,

691
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<v Speaker 1>but you do. You go, ah, yeah, I'll make up

692
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<v Speaker 1>for it later on, or pretend I didn't do it,

693
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<v Speaker 1>or I'll go to the gym. I'm logging my calories,

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<v Speaker 1>but I won't log that one. This is bad faith,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Whereas if you eat the chocolate bar and

696
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<v Speaker 1>you log it and accept it, that's good faith in

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<v Speaker 1>a in a simple way, in an oversimplified way. So

698
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<v Speaker 1>if Nietzsche's demon says this will happen again, and Camos says,

699
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<v Speaker 1>CAMRA's not tied up to the I mean he talks

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<v Speaker 1>about Cissus and repeating that, but live it lucidly and

701
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<v Speaker 1>without resignation, because don't become nihilistic. So the two sides

702
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<v Speaker 1>of it really are, don't you know, accept responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>your life, live it as you feel you should, don't

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<v Speaker 1>give yourself excuses. But in the same same way. You know, yeah,

705
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<v Speaker 1>be happy doing it, accept it. You know, no metaphysical guarantees.

706
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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, so that's about all I want to say.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's just my mind zipping about. And so it

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<v Speaker 1>led us from this very simple vibe story of Albert Noise,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was very well done, to looking how

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<v Speaker 1>this eternal return theme has been handled, initially by somebody

711
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<v Speaker 1>like Borges in fiction and also in the Black Mirror.

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<v Speaker 1>Then looking a little bit about how although it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily trip into a cosmic horror version of we are

714
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<v Speaker 1>being controlled by forces beyond malign forces, evil forces, but

715
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<v Speaker 1>certainly that hovers there at its worst as psychosis. And

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<v Speaker 1>then we looked at, you know, this idea of the

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<v Speaker 1>eternal return as almost demanding of us to live in

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<v Speaker 1>good faith with it. And this is our life. Take

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility for your life, live it happily, don't give yourself excuses,

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<v Speaker 1>don't pretend things are going to be different, just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>affirm your life as posed. So it's a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a wonder, but why not he makes up for the

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<v Speaker 1>short story. It was a short story. So I've gabbled

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<v Speaker 1>on for three times down into the story. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>will complain about that will be coffee being thrown at walls,

726
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<v Speaker 1>mugs will be smashing staining the world. Coffee stains really

727
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<v Speaker 1>hard to get out of Magnolia paint as well, and

728
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<v Speaker 1>especially if I've got the right kind of paint. What

729
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<v Speaker 1>you find is when you're washing the coffee off, it'll

730
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<v Speaker 1>come away or take the paint away. I mean you,

731
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<v Speaker 1>I'd thrown the coffee at the wall many many times

732
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<v Speaker 1>when I've been listening to podcasts and people have said

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<v Speaker 1>things disagree with, thrown them at the wall. And then

734
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<v Speaker 1>there's all the flat earthers and all the other people,

735
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<v Speaker 1>the chem trail people all going you're a deep space asset,

736
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<v Speaker 1>not deep space deep deep state asset. But maybe the

737
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<v Speaker 1>same thing, because the deep space people are the ones

738
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<v Speaker 1>who are controlling everything. Maybe that's how it links together. Anyway,

739
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<v Speaker 1>Try not to be too insane. If you feel if

740
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<v Speaker 1>you feelly becoming psychotic, do some gardening or build a wall.

741
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<v Speaker 1>You've got to get in touch with the real world

742
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<v Speaker 1>the earth, Walk your dog, pay attention to the flowers

743
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<v Speaker 1>and you'll find there's a great healing in those men.

744
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<v Speaker 1>Listen to the river, watch the sea, look at the clouds.

745
00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Don't go any deeper. Just look at them. Dig that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my advice to you. Pick up stones and build

747
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<v Speaker 1>a wall, do something useful. There we go. Yes, more

748
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<v Speaker 1>bonkers than normal this week, but you know it keeps me,

749
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:25.239
<v Speaker 1>keeps me in work. Everybody dies, don't they. That's what

750
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<v Speaker 1>you do. There Isn't that sting you tried to get

751
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<v Speaker 1>into the lock drouble today? Didn't you try? How do that?

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<v Speaker 1>They'd come back? And didn't you? Secrets a
