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<v Speaker 1>And I just turned around and I call ass out

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<v Speaker 1>of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.

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<v Speaker 1>The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my

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<v Speaker 1>head lights on, it turned and looked at us.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things I remember the most where

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<v Speaker 2>the eyes were going red.

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<v Speaker 1>I see an orb of light. It is just circling

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<v Speaker 1>these steps like it is waiting for me. And he

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<v Speaker 1>begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's where I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As

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<v Speaker 1>soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it

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<v Speaker 1>don't like death.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight is the first night that I get to use

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<v Speaker 2>my new studio. There's that it's a little bit of

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<v Speaker 2>celebration for this one. But back on topic. Tonight, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be joined by my guests Bartimas. We reached

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<v Speaker 2>out a while back and talked a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>some of the things he wants to discuss tonight. He

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<v Speaker 2>believes that he contacts angels, and he also is a

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<v Speaker 2>practitioner of magic. I know this seems to be a

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<v Speaker 2>little taboo here for some people, but definitely piques my interest,

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<v Speaker 2>so I hope you guys would find it interesting too.

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<v Speaker 2>and bring Bartimeus on. Definitely looking forward to talk with him,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope you guys enjoy the conversation. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>sit back, relax and enjoy the show. I like to

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<v Speaker 2>take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Bartimas. Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for coming on here and talking with me.

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<v Speaker 1>Great, thank you, Thanks for inviting me and not a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>So would you like to let the audience know a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sure, So basically I've been an esoteric practitioner for

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<v Speaker 1>just about ten years or so. Now. I first got

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<v Speaker 1>started studying this stuff when I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve or so, you know, so that's like a whole

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen years. I've just been into all these sorts of things,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I started like studying grimoires and stuff when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in middle school, just for fun, just try

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<v Speaker 1>to plumb the secrets of the universe and learn about

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<v Speaker 1>magic and all that sort of stuff. Currently, just in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of my general spiritual practice, you know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>Christian gnostic. I'm affiliated with the church up up here

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<v Speaker 1>on the West Coast, you know, personally my own theological

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<v Speaker 1>approachings of leaning a little more towards the traditional Christian

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<v Speaker 1>side of things, but I find a lot of value

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<v Speaker 1>in Gnostic writ So.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see now the gnostic part of that. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the everyone listening? What's that rates that from like the

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<v Speaker 2>normal Christianity version of it, because I know, like I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>some almost those are agnostic. They don't necessarily believe in

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<v Speaker 2>like they believe that there's a like the spirits, like

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<v Speaker 2>a spirit around with God and everything else, but they

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<v Speaker 2>don't necessarily believe the Bible is that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's a there's a difference between being agnostic and gnostic.

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<v Speaker 1>There's you know, agnostic is the negative form of the word.

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<v Speaker 1>It means not knowing, right, So it's like this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of state of believing that you can't know, whereas the

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<v Speaker 1>gnostics have the exact opposite perspective, where the whole goal

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<v Speaker 1>is this knowledge of the higher forces that specifically the

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<v Speaker 1>knowledge of God to the degree that we can accomplish

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<v Speaker 1>that while we are still alive. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that came up where gnosticism ended up being

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<v Speaker 1>partially because of certain schools of Gnostic thought that were

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<v Speaker 1>I actually think we're pretty corrosive, these really dualistic forms

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<v Speaker 1>of thought, you know, that absolutely condemned the material world

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, and there were some others where they

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<v Speaker 1>just had different ways of looking at things. But the

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<v Speaker 1>general approach of gnosticism is that instead of just faith

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<v Speaker 1>itself being the thing that accomplishes your salvation, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to actually know God and to have personal experience with

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<v Speaker 1>God as he is, rather than, you know, just just

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<v Speaker 1>believing in something because it says in a book. And

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, actually you know, one of the interesting things

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<v Speaker 1>the pop gnostic world, as I like to refer to it,

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<v Speaker 1>is that Marcian, for example, who who is known as

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<v Speaker 1>a very much a dualist, a dualist gnostic heretic who

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<v Speaker 1>maintained that the Old Testament God was Satan and all

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<v Speaker 1>of these sorts of things. He was actually the one

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<v Speaker 1>of the main sources we have for the Letters of Paul,

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<v Speaker 1>all that stuff. He basically collected all of that, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's the one who preserved that for the future of

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<v Speaker 1>the church basically, which is really interesting that he doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>get credit for this. The main, the main part of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole delineation between say, somebody who'd be called gnostic

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<v Speaker 1>and you know who'd be part of the early traditional church.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, up until like the year thousand or so,

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<v Speaker 1>matter of politics more than anything else. I can't remember

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<v Speaker 1>off the top of my head who it was, but

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first Biblical commentaries we have was written

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<v Speaker 1>by a known Gnostic teacher, which I think is a

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<v Speaker 1>fascinating bit of history there. But yeah, generally speaking, there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's also a lot more focus in like contemporary analysticism,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot more focus on the internal aspects of

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<v Speaker 1>we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, right and

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<v Speaker 1>that there are other statements like in the Gospel John

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<v Speaker 1>where it says that Christ adbites necessary dwell in him,

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<v Speaker 1>and all of these sorts of ideas. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more emphasis put on the side of knowing God as

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else. That there's a lot more focus on that

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<v Speaker 1>side of things rather than, for example, you know, moral

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<v Speaker 2>M I don't want to derail or anything like ask questions,

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<v Speaker 2>get it off topic or whatever, but like that was

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<v Speaker 2>just something I know that kind of like I've always wondered,

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<v Speaker 2>like what the difference when someone says they're gnostic, someone

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<v Speaker 2>says they're a Christian or whatever, And I know I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard people say they're agnostic or whatever. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to try and get a little bit of clarification.

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<v Speaker 2>That way I understand a little bit better, and anyone

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<v Speaker 2>out there listening they understand a little bit better too,

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<v Speaker 2>Because there's so many different denominations of religion, especially like

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<v Speaker 2>with christian and anyway, one of my recent episodes there

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<v Speaker 2>so there's over forty something thousand versions of Christianity, which

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, I know, I had no idea that that

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<v Speaker 2>was the thing, and I was like just really surprised

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<v Speaker 2>and took back by it.

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<v Speaker 1>So, oh yeah, post Reformation, you know, with the whole

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<v Speaker 1>Protestant Reformation, it's like the ideas that Martin Luther basically

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<v Speaker 1>rails in a lot of ways. When you have this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of like, you know, so let's cook toura you

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<v Speaker 1>know that only scripture is important and only faith. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot you can do with that. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have like here, particularly here in America, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have like a bunch of different evangelical denominations, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets it gets crazy. You know, every other little

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<v Speaker 1>church becomes its own independent denomination. As long as they

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<v Speaker 1>have a pastor, they can be a denomination of their own.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting, it is strange to me how that works, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to go too far into my own stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, there was a church here in my area

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<v Speaker 2>and people that I know were like it was their

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<v Speaker 2>church and only their family went to it and only

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<v Speaker 2>like the one guy was the pastor, and then like

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<v Speaker 2>it was like their own family church, like all the

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<v Speaker 2>kids went to their parents' church, and they're grand like

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<v Speaker 2>their grandkids went to like no outsiders went to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Like It's almost got like a cultish vibe to it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I interesting, yeah, just whatever, I mean, whatever works

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<v Speaker 2>for people, I guess, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>After a certain point, you know, that's that's pretty curious though,

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard of this as a thing in more remote

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<v Speaker 1>parts of the country. But yeah, interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you would like to dive into what you

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<v Speaker 2>want to discuss tonight, I'm gonna turn it over to

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<v Speaker 2>you and can go wherever you want to go with it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, so, considering we got started off with

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<v Speaker 1>the whole the whole concern of a gnosticism, which has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with this concept of the personal exp varience

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<v Speaker 1>of the divine, I think it'll be quite relevant to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss my my general passion for for angelic theogy, which

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<v Speaker 1>is which leads to the experience of communicating with angels,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something that is, you know, a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a perennial topic in all spiritual circles, you know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen like deon Fortune books all about like oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to your angel and all this stuff. You have

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<v Speaker 1>different new ag things that talk about that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like there's well. I also just recently gave a

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<v Speaker 1>presentation on the Holy Guardian Angel. It was in Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was kind of ended up being a remote

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<v Speaker 1>thing that was pretty fun. I'll actually be putting that

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<v Speaker 1>I think, just got to process the video and all

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff. But so in the in the Western magical tradition,

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<v Speaker 1>which goes all the way back to ancient Greece and

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<v Speaker 1>Egypt and all that, there's a general process through which

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<v Speaker 1>that that we humans are able to get in contact

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<v Speaker 1>with the higher divine forces, which is often referred to theogy,

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<v Speaker 1>which means literally just God work. And you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>time went on, you know, after after society got to

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<v Speaker 1>whether through Neoplatonism or through the Christian perspective. This, this

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<v Speaker 1>practice of theogy of getting in contact with the divine

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<v Speaker 1>celestial powers ended up transforming into this form of work

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<v Speaker 1>occultist and magician who was the He was the astrologer

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<v Speaker 1>known as Enochian or Inachian, where he had communicated with

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<v Speaker 1>these angelic beings. You know, he said he saw an

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<v Speaker 1>into and a special angelic language that was used within

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<v Speaker 1>thing right there. But this this issue of the work

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<v Speaker 1>of invoking the angels. You know, a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>concept where it's like, oh, well, I can't we can't

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<v Speaker 1>all of these sorts of negative ideas. But we can

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<v Speaker 1>as well that you know, considering as I as I

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<v Speaker 1>saw on your channel, there's a lot of focus on

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, it's like a lot of word stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, that's interesting stuff too, you know. So there is

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<v Speaker 1>this this practice that we can engage in that well,

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<v Speaker 1>if I can put us in contact with these higher

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<v Speaker 1>accomplish our goals in this life. For example, if you

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<v Speaker 1>look in the book the Three Books of Occult Philosophy

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<v Speaker 1>by Agrippa, which is a famous occult work that has

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the three areas of magic, the natural magic,

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<v Speaker 1>which has to do with like the virtues of plants

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<v Speaker 1>as astrological magic. And the third book has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with celestial magic and theogy. Like this whole process of

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<v Speaker 1>getting into contact with the angels and trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>closer to God through this process. You know, there there

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<v Speaker 1>are seven different essentially seven different angels that correspond to

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<v Speaker 1>the planets who have different ways that they can help

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<v Speaker 1>us out. For example, you know, let's say that you

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<v Speaker 1>are to be having issues with your love life, you

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<v Speaker 1>could evoke the archangel of Venus, whose name is Anna

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<v Speaker 1>l Who can you know? If you were to go

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<v Speaker 1>through the procedure to invoke this angel, you could get

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<v Speaker 1>help in those areas relating to Venus, like with love

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<v Speaker 1>and luxury and beauty, appreciation of beauty and becoming more

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<v Speaker 1>beautiful and all those concerns. So we use on a

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<v Speaker 1>You want to find somebody who's a good match for you,

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<v Speaker 1>to find a good significant other. So what do you

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<v Speaker 1>do in this particular paradigm where we're able to tract

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<v Speaker 1>with angels to gain these higher levels of knowledge and

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<v Speaker 1>all these sorts of things. So there's a period of

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<v Speaker 1>time and angelic work where you have to engage in purification,

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<v Speaker 1>which is where you would just take a period of

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<v Speaker 1>time to fast from things. You know. Nowadays, water fasting

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen has become incredibly popular as well as just

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<v Speaker 1>intermittent fasting on the whole, but particularly water fasting. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to go that hardcore, at least for the

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<v Speaker 1>initial couple of days that you prepare. You know, morning

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<v Speaker 1>of you should ideally not eat until you perform the operation.

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<v Speaker 1>But but there's a period of time where you take

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<v Speaker 1>time to hold back from you know, eating meat and

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<v Speaker 1>just reducing the amount of food they eat for at

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<v Speaker 1>least three days when you're about to perform this work,

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<v Speaker 1>not to drink alcohol or get high and do drugs

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. You're not not supposed to do that stuff

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<v Speaker 1>while you prepare for this great encounter with the the

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<v Speaker 1>direct manifestation of God's consciousness. And you know, there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>time leading up to this particular working where you have

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<v Speaker 1>to engage in meditation and prayer where you where you

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<v Speaker 1>work on figuring out exactly what your goal is in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of getting to know this angel like why why

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing this? What's what's the reason? You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Then there's examinations of conscience where you go and figure out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how how did I air you know, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it's in regards to your specific goal here just in

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<v Speaker 1>other other things. In the old groom or tradition, they

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of pre written confessions that are meant

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<v Speaker 1>to be said in the process, that are just meant

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<v Speaker 1>to meet, that are meant to cause you to think

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<v Speaker 1>about the ways in which you've you've messed up. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we all we all screw up every once in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's just a part of life. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there's the purification and the prayers and meditation, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's also just different ritual implements that should ideally be

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<v Speaker 1>prepared during this period of time. You know. There you

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<v Speaker 1>could use a table, a small form of a table.

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<v Speaker 1>There are different diagrams of them called a table of practice,

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<v Speaker 1>which is utilized for placing upon it a crystal or

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<v Speaker 1>a chalice of wine, or some other form of the

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<v Speaker 1>device used for scrying or to perceive the visions through it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Black mirrors are another one that's often used.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, John D. Had one of those as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So you take this this three day period of time

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<v Speaker 1>where you devote yourself to doing this work. You prepare

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<v Speaker 1>incense and candles, and you do these prayers and purifications

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<v Speaker 1>and all that stuff, and then comes the big day.

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<v Speaker 1>If we if we were to be following this example

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<v Speaker 1>here invoking the archangel of Venus on it all, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be on Friday, which is the day traditionally associated

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<v Speaker 1>with Venus, which works great for that being the last

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<v Speaker 1>day of work, right. You know, in your average work week,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Monday through Friday nine to five, you get

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<v Speaker 1>Friday as your party day, which is very much a

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<v Speaker 1>Venusian thing. But I digress, But so you know, Friday morning,

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<v Speaker 1>you wake up, you you engage in some private prayer,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you prepare yourself to say this particular invocation

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<v Speaker 1>of the Angel where you call you just call forth

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<v Speaker 1>through the Angel and the name of God, and like

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<v Speaker 1>your incense and cleanse the area with holy water and

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<v Speaker 1>all these other things. And what happens at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of it is kind of the more interesting part of

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<v Speaker 1>the whole process. You know, there's the period of time

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to it where you're working on kind of

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<v Speaker 1>calming down and kind of turning away from the world,

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<v Speaker 1>getting to a place where you can have these extra

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<v Speaker 1>sensory perceptions, you know, instead of being distracted like we

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<v Speaker 1>are in our day to day life. And so comes

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<v Speaker 1>the time that you're to call up the angel. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you get to the point that you have success,

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<v Speaker 1>there's visions and all sorts of interesting things, visions of

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<v Speaker 1>lights around the strying apparatus and different odors, not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>from the incense, but the angels are describe in the

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<v Speaker 1>traditional literature is having particular special odors that come with them,

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like the light ringing of high pitched bells and

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<v Speaker 1>all these other things. Then the angels there and you

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<v Speaker 1>get to community kate with it, and through that communication

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<v Speaker 1>you can gain new levels of knowledge, both in terms of, like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the kind of the theosophical type of knowledge

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<v Speaker 1>where you're trying to know God and all that stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and also just in terms of getting advice for how

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<v Speaker 1>to handle your own life and how to make your

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<v Speaker 1>life what you want it to be rather than it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sucking. Relating to the process of angelic invocation,

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<v Speaker 1>from my very first attempt at this at this art

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<v Speaker 1>or late twenty four No, it was twenty four Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the very end of twenty fourteen. It was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time I had trying to invoke an archangel

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<v Speaker 1>in my little apartment in upstate New York. So kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an odd situation. There's kind of like a subletting

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<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. I had set up a little closet

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<v Speaker 1>to be my ritual space that I had cleaned out,

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<v Speaker 1>and I set up the ritual table, and I had

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<v Speaker 1>all this stuff set up to do this work, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was working a kind of a late shift thing

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<v Speaker 1>at a taxi company where I was, and so I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't able to do the right until very late at night,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had I had come home. I just engaged

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<v Speaker 1>in some prayer meditation, you know, kind of uh riling

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<v Speaker 1>myself up for the work. And as part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>I had used the first three of these Inokian calls,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in that angelical tongue. I had been recommended

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<v Speaker 1>to use them. It just it was it wasn't me

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<v Speaker 1>personally recommended to use the moves. On a pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>well known website studio orcanist dot com that where there

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody who was recommending using these three calls to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like attenuate the space for this for this

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<v Speaker 1>interaction for the angelic forces. And it's in this very

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<v Speaker 1>odd sounding language. It's it's very much a synthetic language

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<v Speaker 1>in every way. It's it's it's interesting. But so we

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<v Speaker 1>have we have the moment first time. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>stuff set up for doing it in this weird little closet.

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<v Speaker 1>And and when when I had got started on the

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<v Speaker 1>prayers calling on the angel to come and show up,

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<v Speaker 1>there are these bangs in the back room of my

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<v Speaker 1>little place. It was pretty well insulated. It wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>been anything from the other people. It was like two

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning, you know, there's just these big

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<v Speaker 1>thuds from within my own quarters. And and it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was kind of I felt the kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>the hair along the back of my neck standing on end.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was very interesting experience. And I started seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the lights or within the the it was like a

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<v Speaker 1>Michael's or something. Because my strying mirror had fallen off

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<v Speaker 1>a shelf and broke in the week of the purifications,

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<v Speaker 1>and I saw these these lights forming over the chalice,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just like wow. I kept on. I

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<v Speaker 1>been reading for a long time, and was like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>well you got to see like this humanoid shape show up,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, if you don't get that it failed.

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<v Speaker 1>But I saw these lights and I just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing just was like it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>frankly quite incredible. It encouraged me to do the work

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<v Speaker 1>again later. But you know, it's nice to say this

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come back to it later after I have a

419
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<v Speaker 1>bit more practice maybe. And a few months later, after

420
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<v Speaker 1>i'd come back home to Washington State, I was reading

421
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<v Speaker 1>a book that was discussing it's called the oh what

422
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<v Speaker 1>is it, The Celestial Keys, I think is what it's

423
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<v Speaker 1>called by doctor Thomas read. It was put up by

424
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<v Speaker 1>Steven Skinner some years ago, who's a big author and

425
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<v Speaker 1>solomonic magic in particular, and the author this book this

426
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<v Speaker 1>doctor Rudd from the seventeenth century who was a major

427
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<v Speaker 1>angelic magician. Apparently there was some order of magicians practicing

428
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<v Speaker 1>an Okian magic in that place and time. He discusses

429
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<v Speaker 1>they are all the ways to know when the angels arrive,

430
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<v Speaker 1>and he says that there will pear a multi colored

431
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<v Speaker 1>curtain over the crystal or over whatever this scrying device is.

432
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<v Speaker 1>And I basically just like slap myself, like, oh geez,

433
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<v Speaker 1>It's like I was here, I was right at the

434
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<v Speaker 1>beginning of the process, and I just fell for the

435
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<v Speaker 1>stuff online that was like, if we don't see this

436
00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:36.680
<v Speaker 1>precise form of manifestation, it didn't work sort of thing.

437
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<v Speaker 1>And and but reading that gave me a lot more

438
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<v Speaker 1>encouragement and I've just been practicing that form of the

439
00:23:43.880 --> 00:23:49.799
<v Speaker 1>art ever since then. But generally speaking, oh yeah, I'm ask.

440
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<v Speaker 2>A couple of questions. Check go for it when you

441
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<v Speaker 2>communicate or when you are attempting to communicate with these things,

442
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<v Speaker 2>and if you're getting some sort of response so that

443
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<v Speaker 2>you believe are like. From that, how does one determine

444
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<v Speaker 2>if they're actually angelic responses or if you're not getting

445
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<v Speaker 2>responses from something else pretending to be that way.

446
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<v Speaker 1>Ah, that is a great question. Thank you for asking that. Okay,

447
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<v Speaker 1>So the general process is that you would you would

448
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<v Speaker 1>ask it to swear in the name of God, because

449
00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:26.079
<v Speaker 1>the essential underlying theory of all these things is that

450
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<v Speaker 1>nothing can lie if it's swearing by God's name, you know,

451
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<v Speaker 1>that would be essentially a grave sin form of blasphemy,

452
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<v Speaker 1>all that sort of stuff. And so they are they

453
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<v Speaker 1>are forced to swear in that name. And there's also

454
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<v Speaker 1>in the Gospels themselves. Jesus also says that you know,

455
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<v Speaker 1>you test the spirits in My name is one of

456
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<v Speaker 1>the things that he says. So if you're if you're

457
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<v Speaker 1>practicing in a Christian paradigm in particular, you know, you

458
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<v Speaker 1>could use the name of Jesus and ask them, you know,

459
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<v Speaker 1>are you truly the Spirit X? You know, and if

460
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<v Speaker 1>they say yes, and you say you do you swear

461
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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Jesus, by the five the five wounds,

462
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<v Speaker 1>and by His most sacred Blood, that you are truly

463
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<v Speaker 1>the Spirit X. And then the spirit will answer honestly

464
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<v Speaker 1>because it has to. It's part of the rules of

465
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<v Speaker 1>the of the game basically. And there are other signs too,

466
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like, for example, the diabolical spirits tend to

467
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<v Speaker 1>have a very like what's the word I want not

468
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<v Speaker 1>particularly pleasant smell, like rotting meat and sulfur and these

469
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<v Speaker 1>sorts of things, you know, like I've had this, I've

470
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<v Speaker 1>had this happen. You know, even when I've had I haven't.

471
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<v Speaker 1>I haven't. I have never had a demon randomly show

472
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<v Speaker 1>up while invoking an angel. Just just to make that

473
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<v Speaker 1>clear to John Dee writes in his diaries about something's happening,

474
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<v Speaker 1>But he wasn't doing a very structured thing, to be fair,

475
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<v Speaker 1>he was just saying a bunch of prayers and hoping

476
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<v Speaker 1>to God something would show up instead of it being

477
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<v Speaker 1>in a structured way. If I have this spirit I

478
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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to, and therefore I'm going to call

479
00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:59.440
<v Speaker 1>this spirit and hopefully it'll show up. Even when I

480
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<v Speaker 1>have had sense, when when I conjuring, when having to

481
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<v Speaker 1>work with demons, or just in times where I've had

482
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<v Speaker 1>to deal with them, you know, they show up. Sometimes

483
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:10.519
<v Speaker 1>they tend to bring with them a smell of rotten eggs,

484
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:18.359
<v Speaker 1>rotten eggs or rotting meat. It's just completely inexplicable too. Yeah,

485
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<v Speaker 1>there was one time I went to go hang out

486
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<v Speaker 1>with somebody some years ago. It was kind of a

487
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>formal meeting sort of thing, so hanging out is the

488
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>wrong term. And I came home is sometime in the

489
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<v Speaker 1>evening and my wife was at home waiting for me.

490
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.440
<v Speaker 1>I came home and she was she was like, dear God,

491
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<v Speaker 1>you smell like rotting meat. And I was like, that's

492
00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:43.279
<v Speaker 1>really weird. There was nothing that would have led to

493
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:45.759
<v Speaker 1>that odor around me. But the guy who I was,

494
00:26:46.119 --> 00:26:50.400
<v Speaker 1>who I was speaking with, had a lot of severe

495
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<v Speaker 1>spiritual problems. We'll say. He was just yeah, he had

496
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of problems, very very you know, there's there's

497
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<v Speaker 1>a way to have pride over things. There's the thing

498
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<v Speaker 1>that's being pride forward. It's like just sheer arrogance, you know.

499
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.000
<v Speaker 1>He was like convinced he was like a god among

500
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:09.319
<v Speaker 1>men and composition and theological mystical understandings and stuff, and

501
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 1>the guy was just total nut. But anyway, but yeah,

502
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.240
<v Speaker 1>so she was like, you smell like death and broading meat.

503
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:17.839
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, okay, well here we go. So

504
00:27:17.960 --> 00:27:21.759
<v Speaker 1>blessed some bless some holy water and uh, you know,

505
00:27:21.759 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 1>annointed myself with it, sprinkled the place that we were

506
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 1>renting at that time, and the smell went away. Yeah,

507
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Like that's one of those things that does happen. Sometimes

508
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 1>there's smells and other feelings, you know, like demons will

509
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<v Speaker 1>bring feelings of fear and anxiety and angels. You know,

510
00:27:39.160 --> 00:27:41.000
<v Speaker 1>it says, you know, do not fear in the Bible

511
00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:42.720
<v Speaker 1>and an angel shows up, but that it's a feeling

512
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>of awe. It's like this profound awe into like like

513
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.079
<v Speaker 1>sort of existential excitement. I guess that'd be a way

514
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to put it, like an ecstatic state that you get

515
00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:55.599
<v Speaker 1>to and interacting with celestial spirits. It's interesting.

516
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<v Speaker 2>I've had someone and I've now interviewed them over this,

517
00:27:59.559 --> 00:28:05.079
<v Speaker 2>but they've mentioned off air that sometimes they try and

518
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:09.279
<v Speaker 2>summon demons for financial purposes. I don't know how that works,

519
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:12.400
<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if that's a smart thing to

520
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:17.920
<v Speaker 2>be trying to do. But is that common that you're

521
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.559
<v Speaker 2>aware of, Like people they actually try and attempt to

522
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:25.000
<v Speaker 2>use demonic in it East for their own benefits. I

523
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.039
<v Speaker 2>know there's a whole big conspiracy about cabal's and all

524
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.160
<v Speaker 2>this other stuff. But like just in general, like the

525
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:34.519
<v Speaker 2>average person, is this something that people actually attempt to do?

526
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah all the time. It's like reason number one

527
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>why people get involved with the cult is mostly the

528
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.359
<v Speaker 1>contrac demons to get paid, get laid, or get even

529
00:28:46.680 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of the big three, especially getting paid. And

530
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.839
<v Speaker 1>I haven't really seen that it does anything for anybody.

531
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, there is a way to deal with the

532
00:28:56.440 --> 00:29:00.240
<v Speaker 1>whole aspect of demonic forces, but it's just not in

533
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 1>my own personal experience, has just never been something that

534
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>plays out the way that people try to advertise it.

535
00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 1>As you know, I've seen I've known people who personally

536
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>made pacts with a demon known as known as Clownett

537
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:17.920
<v Speaker 1>from the Grimoor and Varam, who has reported to give

538
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>great wealth. But it's like, you know, one of the

539
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:23.880
<v Speaker 1>guys who I knew who was involved in this particular

540
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:30.519
<v Speaker 1>compact like severe kidney failure, dude, I mean, his significant

541
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>other has left him. He's like all alone at this point,

542
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.680
<v Speaker 1>there's nothing going on. The other guy basically the same situation.

543
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.640
<v Speaker 1>He's very ill and just doesn't have any money, like

544
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:43.559
<v Speaker 1>nothing nothing really going for him, which is actually kind

545
00:29:43.599 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 1>of in good part discussed in my favorite Christian Grimore,

546
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>The Arbitel of Magic, which I have a whole video

547
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 1>series I'll be releasing in the cold months when it

548
00:29:52.279 --> 00:29:56.960
<v Speaker 1>gets too hard to film out here, where the author

549
00:29:57.039 --> 00:30:00.400
<v Speaker 1>talks about this issue of people who have these ends

550
00:30:00.440 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 1>they want to accomplish and they feel like I have

551
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.039
<v Speaker 1>to go to the demons to do this, and you know,

552
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.480
<v Speaker 1>they want to get rich. They feel like I need

553
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 1>to go and talk to these these particular demons from

554
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.799
<v Speaker 1>these Grimmars, from the from the Croatia or Goetzier or whoever,

555
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:19.160
<v Speaker 1>whichever form of pronunciation your viewers may be more familiar with,

556
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.319
<v Speaker 1>or you know, the lester Key of Solomon and the

557
00:30:23.359 --> 00:30:25.799
<v Speaker 1>Grimoar and Varum and all these other grim mars where

558
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 1>they have these spirits that are supposedly devoted to making

559
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 1>you rich, and it's like they don't get anything for it,

560
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, instead they just get damaged. You know. It's

561
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<v Speaker 1>like because there's there's a very fine line that has

562
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.559
<v Speaker 1>to be walked when dealing with these spirits. You know,

563
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>people think it's like oh, if I give if I

564
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.599
<v Speaker 1>give Belly all some offerings, like I'm going to get

565
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.640
<v Speaker 1>everything that I want. It's like, no, that that's not

566
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:48.079
<v Speaker 1>really how it ends up working.

567
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:49.480
<v Speaker 2>You know.

568
00:30:49.519 --> 00:30:52.279
<v Speaker 1>I've known people who you know, even encourage doing this

569
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing to me some years ago with some

570
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 1>particular of those spirits, one of whom was made famous

571
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<v Speaker 1>by a horror movie whose name I'm not going to mention,

572
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.599
<v Speaker 1>but you know, I can't remember the name of the

573
00:31:06.640 --> 00:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>movie either. Is that one where there's some family packed

574
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>thing and then like everybody dies at the end or something,

575
00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, like, oh, you should work with the spirit

576
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 1>for for wealth, and that same person now is like

577
00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>struggling to handle anything, you know, I don't. I don't

578
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.440
<v Speaker 1>think that demonic workings are advisable for anybody. Honestly, the

579
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:26.880
<v Speaker 1>only the only way that working with demons ends up

580
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.240
<v Speaker 1>working is if it's specifically to exercise their evil forces

581
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and to make them serve as slaves. Anything other than

582
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.359
<v Speaker 1>that ends up immediately turning into worship of demons and

583
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 1>which which doesn't benefit anybody at all. It only helps

584
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.039
<v Speaker 1>out the demons, and they don't really care for our

585
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.960
<v Speaker 1>well being. They mostly hate us. They either don't care

586
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.400
<v Speaker 1>about us or they hate us. It's kind of one

587
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 1>of those sorts of relationships there.

588
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.119
<v Speaker 2>I could go on for a long time and ask

589
00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.359
<v Speaker 2>for hell a bunch of things. So again, we'll I know,

590
00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 2>we don't have a whole lot of time, but we

591
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 2>can go back. Unfortunately, which you want to talk about,

592
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 2>but maybe we can do a follow because there's a

593
00:32:03.880 --> 00:32:06.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff that I've kind of wanted to talk

594
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 2>about when it comes to like the angelics and the

595
00:32:09.279 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 2>demons and everything else and how people dive into and

596
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:13.799
<v Speaker 2>I've never been able to find someone that's willing to

597
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>talk about it.

598
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:16.400
<v Speaker 1>So oh really wow.

599
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>I've had people wind up, but they'll never they never

600
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 2>come through with the interviews.

601
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:26.240
<v Speaker 1>They always seriously, yeah, oh wow, that sucks. Well, I'm

602
00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:27.759
<v Speaker 1>honored to be the first one to come on to

603
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:29.880
<v Speaker 1>discuss the stuff. That's pretty cool.

604
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I've had people said they've had demonic attacks, and I've

605
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 2>had other people that mention things like that, but they

606
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>I've never been able to talk to someone that openly

607
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:42.200
<v Speaker 2>communicates with like angelics or someone's openly communicated with demons

608
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. So it's something that I don't

609
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>know if it's too taboo for people or they just

610
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:47.960
<v Speaker 2>don't want to talk about it.

611
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.799
<v Speaker 1>There's a sign of it where you know, privacy is

612
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>one of those big things in this work. I mean personally,

613
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.839
<v Speaker 1>I won't there's some things that I can't talk about

614
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:00.599
<v Speaker 1>as kind of like an oath type thing, you know,

615
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>where it's like I just I can't discuss something. But

616
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 1>there's also just kind of a general principle and occult

617
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>practice in particular, really just generally mysticism. You know, the

618
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:14.119
<v Speaker 1>fourth rule of the sinks as it's referred to a silence,

619
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:16.799
<v Speaker 1>you know, where it's like some things are meant to

620
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>be kept private. You know, it's like a marital relationship, right,

621
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't want to hear about everything that

622
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.720
<v Speaker 1>goes on in private. It's not something you want to

623
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.039
<v Speaker 1>talk about. It's not something people really need to hear about.

624
00:33:28.720 --> 00:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>And there is a sign of that with magic. But

625
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<v Speaker 1>the general rules I think are really important, just the

626
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<v Speaker 1>general concepts and to and to bring out these things

627
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<v Speaker 1>that people can avoid the mistakes and avoid the errors,

628
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<v Speaker 1>and to actually do something constructive with themselves instead of

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<v Speaker 1>getting dragged along into demon worship and all the horrible

630
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<v Speaker 1>things that come along with that, like organ failure. Happened

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people I've known who practiced that

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<v Speaker 1>art in particular.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just feel like there's a lot of people

634
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<v Speaker 2>that they hear bits and pieces of it, but they

635
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<v Speaker 2>don't ever know the real risks that are involved with it.

636
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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I kind of ask, like, when you're

637
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<v Speaker 2>talking with angels, how are you sure? How is someone

638
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<v Speaker 2>to know if they're really talking to an angel? So

639
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<v Speaker 2>that's why I kind of wanted to ask that, because

640
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<v Speaker 2>people are you never know, like when you're communicating, people

641
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.119
<v Speaker 2>say they hear from God, they talk with God, people

642
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 2>say a lot of things, How do they really know

643
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<v Speaker 2>that's not something evil communicating with them to manipulate them.

644
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<v Speaker 1>The grander rule that I would say for that is

645
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<v Speaker 1>this is to use that gift of the Holy Spirit

646
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<v Speaker 1>of discernment. And you know, it's like that sounds that

647
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<v Speaker 1>sounds nice, but you know you have to look at

648
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the kind of the brass tack side of it too.

649
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<v Speaker 1>You know, if somebody has a happy, functional life, if

650
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<v Speaker 1>somebody's life just seems to be in order, you know,

651
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:59.440
<v Speaker 1>there are people who, for example, you know, just they

652
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<v Speaker 1>may not make the absolute smartest decisions or have the

653
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<v Speaker 1>most conventional life style and all things then told, but

654
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<v Speaker 1>they have what they need. They seem like happy, well

655
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<v Speaker 1>adjusted people. You know, then if your life is going

656
00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.639
<v Speaker 1>that way, where your life is getting better and you're

657
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 1>moving towards the goal of things being good and you

658
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:22.760
<v Speaker 1>can see appreciable steps towards that, then you're doing the

659
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 1>right thing. You're working with the angels, you're working with

660
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 1>the good spirits. If your life is going straight to

661
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>hell on a handbasket, then you should be able to

662
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.159
<v Speaker 1>figure out that you're probably getting screwed over by something.

663
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Something is either lying to you or else there's some

664
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.079
<v Speaker 1>other issue going on there, either being lied to or

665
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 1>you're engaging in negative spiritual practices bringing in evil forces

666
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>into your life.

667
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I know there's topics where people unwillingly invite these things in.

668
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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, I don't. We can do a follow

669
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<v Speaker 2>up sometime because I know there's a lot of questions

670
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<v Speaker 2>and stuff that I get from listeners too, Because I

671
00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:06.320
<v Speaker 2>don't ask a whole lot of questions, and I always

672
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>get people like, why didn't you say something? I was like, well,

673
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 2>it's not what I'm I don't interrupt people, So I'm

674
00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:16.800
<v Speaker 2>trying to do things a little differently here. Starting over

675
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:20.400
<v Speaker 2>we're in I took a little bit of a break,

676
00:36:20.440 --> 00:36:24.159
<v Speaker 2>so six weeks to energize and ready to go again.

677
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<v Speaker 1>But got that.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, Yeah, I'm I want to start asking a little

679
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<v Speaker 2>bit more questions here and there. But let's get back

680
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<v Speaker 2>into what you're wanting to discuss, and then if we

681
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.960
<v Speaker 2>have time, I can ask some more questions.

682
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<v Speaker 1>I think now it would probably be the best time

683
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<v Speaker 1>to do the question questions aspect of things. Yeah, I

684
00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 1>think I've said my piece, just generally speaking. Yeah, if

685
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<v Speaker 1>you've got if you've got questions, let's let's go for it.

686
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So when you're trying to communicate with like angel

687
00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:01.719
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, what would be the best way for someone

688
00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:05.559
<v Speaker 2>like myself to do? Is that something you would recommend

689
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.960
<v Speaker 2>someone that's just kind of wanting to do it? How

690
00:37:09.000 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 2>would you go about doing it?

691
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<v Speaker 1>Well, first, I would before getting into any of that stuff,

692
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.599
<v Speaker 1>I'd recommend reading about the process and how to do it.

693
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<v Speaker 1>You can either go through the old Grimoires. One of

694
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<v Speaker 1>the best of them is just that those three books

695
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:26.639
<v Speaker 1>of Acult Philosophy. The third book has all sorts of

696
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.280
<v Speaker 1>amazing advice there. I just happen to have written two

697
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<v Speaker 1>books that deal with one book, particularly with ceremonial magic.

698
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<v Speaker 1>On the whole, just the practice, the protocols for the

699
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.280
<v Speaker 1>practice of it, from novice to adept ascension through magic.

700
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<v Speaker 1>And I wrote another book actually that specifically has to

701
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:45.880
<v Speaker 1>do with angelic invocation for beginners and even has the

702
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 1>whole ritual written out for people who want to do

703
00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:52.199
<v Speaker 1>that and want to get in contact with these forces

704
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>called talking with Angels. I'll send you a link actually

705
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<v Speaker 1>after we finish up here.

706
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<v Speaker 2>But okay, I'll include all that in the show notes

707
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 2>for anyone listening. That actually brings me up to the

708
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.719
<v Speaker 2>other one of the other questions I was having when

709
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned a cult and you mentioned magic and everything else.

710
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.639
<v Speaker 2>The people that I know that are more religious type people,

711
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:17.800
<v Speaker 2>that automatically sends up red flags to them. So when

712
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.280
<v Speaker 2>someone says that they're a believer in Christ and everything else,

713
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:24.880
<v Speaker 2>but you practice magic, or if you are into the

714
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.119
<v Speaker 2>occult type stuff or things that were esoteric or anything

715
00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:32.239
<v Speaker 2>like that, they're automatically labeling those types of people as evil.

716
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:35.079
<v Speaker 2>How do you deal with someone like that? Like, how

717
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:38.079
<v Speaker 2>do you deal do you have any backlash from religious

718
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.119
<v Speaker 2>people from the things you dabble into.

719
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>For the most part, I don't, necessarily not so much

720
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.400
<v Speaker 1>in that regard. People have given me a hard time

721
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.880
<v Speaker 1>for like using terrort cards, which the thing that kills

722
00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:53.679
<v Speaker 1>me about that is that the terror cards are all

723
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:57.519
<v Speaker 1>built on biblical symbolism, you know, And that's a whole

724
00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.880
<v Speaker 1>other subject that I could go on about for good,

725
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 1>good time too. You know. The thing is is that

726
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.199
<v Speaker 1>most people just don't really know anything about their own religion.

727
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 1>And I just accept this, you know. It's just most

728
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.719
<v Speaker 1>people really don't know. You know. They think magic means

729
00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 1>that you're going and cohorting with demons and calling up

730
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.159
<v Speaker 1>Satan to like hang out for tea or something, which

731
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:24.239
<v Speaker 1>is like not not what I do, you know. And

732
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>and if you really get into the history of Western esotericism,

733
00:39:29.079 --> 00:39:31.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was it was something that was practiced

734
00:39:31.559 --> 00:39:34.840
<v Speaker 1>by theologians. It was practiced by priests who were in

735
00:39:34.920 --> 00:39:38.119
<v Speaker 1>good standing with the church. You know. It's not like

736
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>it was this this like evil dark think. There were

737
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>there were people who did practice the dark, evil magic

738
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.639
<v Speaker 1>of invoking demons and doing all that sort of stuff.

739
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.599
<v Speaker 1>But you know, angelic communication is something that that you know,

740
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.039
<v Speaker 1>most of the saints have done at one point or another,

741
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.360
<v Speaker 1>whether the angels just showed up to him and said, hey,

742
00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.679
<v Speaker 1>how's it going, Saint cyprin or you know something else

743
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>like that. You know, I talked about this and the

744
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>presentation I did on the Holy Guardian Angel. You know,

745
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:09.719
<v Speaker 1>it's like there are all these saints, you know, Saint

746
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Francis of ASSISI who had angels show up to him

747
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:16.039
<v Speaker 1>and talk to him, and men like flute he was,

748
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:18.760
<v Speaker 1>he would levitate during Mass, and all sorts of other

749
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:19.840
<v Speaker 1>interesting things like that.

750
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 2>You know.

751
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:24.840
<v Speaker 1>The people who look at these things as being evil

752
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 1>just because they're not, you know, explicitly in the Bible

753
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.519
<v Speaker 1>or part of their materialist perspective on life, it's not.

754
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:34.159
<v Speaker 1>It's not that way. You know. There there are things.

755
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, again it comes down to discernment. You could

756
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.159
<v Speaker 1>either do things and do them in an evil way

757
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 1>and do evil things, or you could do good things

758
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 1>with it. You know, if you focus my way of

759
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 1>looking at is, if your focus is on God and

760
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:51.800
<v Speaker 1>trying to become a better person, to try to to

761
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.400
<v Speaker 1>try to help, to try to help yourself and help

762
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:56.639
<v Speaker 1>the world around you, you know, to to ang from that.

763
00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, that principle of love thy neighbor as thyself. Right,

764
00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:02.239
<v Speaker 1>if if you're going about it with an attitude of

765
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 1>love for neighbor and love for God, and you're trying

766
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 1>to become a better version of yourself and to become

767
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.599
<v Speaker 1>a better person. Then I don't think there's anything wrong

768
00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 1>with that. I don't think you have to do magic

769
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:18.159
<v Speaker 1>to have these effects either. You know, they're technically you know,

770
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:22.159
<v Speaker 1>like prayer, you know, concentrated, focused prayer for a particular

771
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:26.360
<v Speaker 1>material end, which would be familiar to the Catholics among

772
00:41:26.400 --> 00:41:29.960
<v Speaker 1>your listeners. You know, like praying novenas to the Blessed

773
00:41:30.039 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 1>Virgin for you know, for success, you know, or praying

774
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:36.400
<v Speaker 1>to Our Lady of Perpetual Help for assistants and grave

775
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:39.039
<v Speaker 1>matters and all that sort of stuff. You know, it's

776
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 1>like that's that itself as a form of magic. You know.

777
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 1>As one of my friends you might be friends on Facebook,

778
00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>he's a traditional Catholic bishop who's also an esotericist. He

779
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.639
<v Speaker 1>here first to magic as applied theology. You know, you're

780
00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 1>using the gifts God gave you, that God gave us,

781
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:03.559
<v Speaker 1>being made in His image, to accomplish things in the

782
00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>world in a way that is part of the system.

783
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:08.920
<v Speaker 1>It's all just part of the system. At the end

784
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:11.440
<v Speaker 1>of the day, as long as it's not being used

785
00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>actively for evil ends or to to you know, either

786
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:19.480
<v Speaker 1>as an act of rebellion against this against God, the

787
00:42:19.639 --> 00:42:22.679
<v Speaker 1>in the sense as the personal understanding of God, and

788
00:42:22.719 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 1>in the sense of going against the Great How do

789
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:29.159
<v Speaker 1>I want to put it like this? The source of

790
00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.280
<v Speaker 1>all things, that is essentially the principle that guides and

791
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.119
<v Speaker 1>moves everything that lives, in whom we live and move

792
00:42:36.159 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and have our being who just pervades everything. And you know,

793
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>he has made manifest as all forms of consciousness and

794
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.840
<v Speaker 1>all that as song, as we're not trying to go

795
00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 1>against that and to cause harm to ourselves and to

796
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>those around us, which really just requires some common sense.

797
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:53.880
<v Speaker 1>You know, I think we can all figure out what

798
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:58.719
<v Speaker 1>it means to actively harm somebody else or ourselves for

799
00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:03.039
<v Speaker 1>that matter. You know, as long as we have have

800
00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:08.480
<v Speaker 1>love and the assistance of life is ours, our purpose

801
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 1>and all of this, it becomes it becomes very simple

802
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:15.480
<v Speaker 1>to know what is good and what is bad. When

803
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.440
<v Speaker 1>it comes to spiritual practice, whether whether you want to

804
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 1>referred to it as a cult or esoteric or whatever

805
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.639
<v Speaker 1>anything else, it it becomes it becomes obvious, it's driven

806
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>by by genuine by genuine love and then will end

807
00:43:27.559 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 1>up being good. And that's what I tell people who

808
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 1>ask me about these things. I mean, really, frankly, I

809
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:35.480
<v Speaker 1>don't deal with too many people who are on the

810
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>that side of like the hard Evangelical Protestant Christian thing

811
00:43:41.360 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 1>where they just don't understand these things at all because

812
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 1>they reject the very models that the practice I have

813
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:52.760
<v Speaker 1>is based on. But most people I've I've interacted with

814
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:54.920
<v Speaker 1>will understand if you explain it to them right, they

815
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.840
<v Speaker 1>will eventually come to understand it and to see that

816
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>it's not the evil thing. You know, it's at the

817
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:02.960
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, most of it is just advanced prayer,

818
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:05.400
<v Speaker 1>is how I put it, except for the parts where

819
00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:08.239
<v Speaker 1>you're directly interacting with spiritual entities. That's kind of the

820
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.039
<v Speaker 1>part where it's a bit more interesting. So who am

821
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:12.880
<v Speaker 1>I to criticized?

822
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I was raised in a religious family, like

823
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:21.280
<v Speaker 2>I was brought up in a Pentecostal church, which, oh wow,

824
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:25.559
<v Speaker 2>that in itself is interesting. When they talk in tongues

825
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 2>and everything else too, that's very strong.

826
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Like the healing stuff too, right they put the hands.

827
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 2>And Yeah, so there's a lot of different aspects to

828
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:39.920
<v Speaker 2>that that can be turned into similar thing, like though

829
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:43.880
<v Speaker 2>they have the anointed hands to heal people, or they're

830
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:48.320
<v Speaker 2>speaking in God's language which is almost sounds like gibberish.

831
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<v Speaker 2>There's so many different aspects to that that make you wonder,

832
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:58.880
<v Speaker 2>like how can they be against so many different things? Yeah,

833
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:01.000
<v Speaker 2>they do different things. That's what I said about the

834
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<v Speaker 2>forty different, forty thousand different aspects to Christianity, Like there's

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<v Speaker 2>just so many different little pieces that people interpret everything

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<v Speaker 2>differently and have their own version and their own church

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<v Speaker 2>and their own denomination, and each one has their own

838
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<v Speaker 2>like strange aspect to it. So I just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>with when you go with magic, I had someone recently

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<v Speaker 2>on here that so they're a practitioner of magic, and

841
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<v Speaker 2>I got people sending emails and comments about people practicing

842
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<v Speaker 2>black arts they're evil and this is like that he

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<v Speaker 2>never mentioned anything like that, Like he mentioned certain things

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<v Speaker 2>here and there, but like that's not what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not like interacting and trying to curse people or

846
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<v Speaker 2>bring demons, you know what I mean. Like, it's just

847
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<v Speaker 2>they only hear what they want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Well, I hope I don't bring you too many

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<v Speaker 1>negative comments. And flack or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>No, like it's should be fine. I got one actually too.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple from something recently. But the one

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<v Speaker 2>the ones recently was actually saying I need to get

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<v Speaker 2>more I need to be pushing more Christian views out

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<v Speaker 2>there and more. This is not like I don't push

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<v Speaker 2>views on any aspect, Like, that's not what my show's about.

856
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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to let people discuss what they want to discuss.

857
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<v Speaker 2>I don't have an agenda, so I'm not out here

858
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<v Speaker 2>trying to push one way or the other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. But yeah, well we need more, we

860
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<v Speaker 1>need more shows like this. I think it's a good

861
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<v Speaker 1>thing you're doing where it's just kind of like discussion,

862
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<v Speaker 1>get to hear about different things rather than you know,

863
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<v Speaker 1>having an angle you're trying to force or anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I said, I just it's free flowing conversation

865
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<v Speaker 2>for the me. Like, people come on here and they

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<v Speaker 2>have a topic they want to discuss, and I'm all

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<v Speaker 2>for it. So but yeah, you said you've written a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of books. Whatever you have for that, you can

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<v Speaker 2>send me links to and I'll make sure to include

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<v Speaker 2>everything in the show notes. But I know we're running

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<v Speaker 2>short on time. Tonight, But if there's anything else you'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to discuss real quick, or at least let the

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00:47:03.320 --> 00:47:05.599
<v Speaker 2>audience know where they can. You'd like for them to

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to you or get in touch with you

875
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<v Speaker 2>about something.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, yeah, I wish I had more time tonight,

877
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<v Speaker 1>but there's just yeah, scheduling things that ended up getting

878
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<v Speaker 1>the way, family obligations and stuff. So if you would

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<v Speaker 1>like to find me on YouTube or I have just

880
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<v Speaker 1>I have videos I've been putting up for the past

881
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<v Speaker 1>several months now. You can look me up as Bartimaeus

882
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Black got a sun cross as my logo. There. I

883
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<v Speaker 1>put up videos every Wednesday morning. I've put out a

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00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:37.719
<v Speaker 1>few books. I have one out on traditional Western ceremonial magic,

885
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:41.280
<v Speaker 1>particularly from this Christian gnostic perspective, but I try to

886
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<v Speaker 1>really leave it open for other people to add to

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<v Speaker 1>understand it through their own theological lens, rather than pushing

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00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.920
<v Speaker 1>my exact theological views on them. It's just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>an explanation of the protocols associated with this form of magic,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for spirit invocation, and how to make the tools,

891
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<v Speaker 1>and well not how to make the tools much as

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<v Speaker 1>the symbolism of the tools, so that it all makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense as to how it all works together to make

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00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:08.000
<v Speaker 1>a unified system for doing this work as well as

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00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:12.320
<v Speaker 1>talking with angels. An Introductory Guide to Angelic Theology, which

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<v Speaker 1>is written more for people who are just interested in

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<v Speaker 1>the concept, you know, It's written a lot for people

898
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<v Speaker 1>who are more into the alt spirituality New Age type stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>still with the theological background that I approach it from.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a whole sample ritual written out in there,

901
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<v Speaker 1>and a lot of detail given regarding the purification processes

902
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 1>and everything that actually goes into constructing a successful ritual

903
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:41.400
<v Speaker 1>for communicating with these divine forces. And I also put

904
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<v Speaker 1>out a book on the taro out terror Decoded Divination

905
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<v Speaker 1>for All, where I go through the symbolism of the

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<v Speaker 1>Tarot cards, mostly the major Arkana, and explain how to

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<v Speaker 1>use them in divination and give some practical pointers. I've

908
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<v Speaker 1>been reading cards for a good chunk of time. Now

909
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<v Speaker 1>I also do professionally, but that's a whole other thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, that's that's what I've got. I'm on Facebook too.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to look me up on Facebook, Bartimes Black,

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00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>feel free to shoot me your message and we can chat.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome again. Yeah, just send me links to your books

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<v Speaker 2>and everything and I will include those for anyone listening.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interested, they can check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not a problem, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure to meet you and to be on

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<v Speaker 1>your show tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely been a pleasure, and we'll make sure to

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<v Speaker 2>do a follow up when you get another chance. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of booked out for a little bit, but there's

924
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<v Speaker 2>definitely a lot of things I'd like to discuss, so yeah, sure, just.

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<v Speaker 1>Shoot me an email and let me know, let me

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<v Speaker 1>know when you're free next and we'll work it up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, sounds good. Well, thank you for the time tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to say thanks for everyone out there listening.

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<v Speaker 2>So good night everyone, and that's the show everyone. I

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<v Speaker 2>rather hope you guys enjoyed the conversations. If you would

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<v Speaker 2>like to be a guest on Tenfoil Tells, remember to

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<v Speaker 2>send an email to Tenfoil Tales Podcast at gmail dot

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<v Speaker 2>com or go to the contact section of tenfoiltales dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Just get your message to me. We'll get some schedule

935
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<v Speaker 2>for a future episode, and just remember the truth lies

936
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<v Speaker 2>and the stories we share, the connections we make stay

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<v Speaker 2>curiously open minded. Thank you all for joining us on

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<v Speaker 2>this journey. And until next time, keep questioning, keep seeking,

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<v Speaker 2>and keep exploring the unknown. Good Night, everyone seems sounds

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<v Speaker 2>in the headphones.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's turn to rock. Got a story about a

942
00:50:33.280 --> 00:50:38.119
<v Speaker 3>crypty creature. Let's take a walk, big foot up there.

943
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.400
<v Speaker 3>They're out there in the talk, but the truth is

944
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<v Speaker 3>out there, likingly as fuck. UFO signings got the whole

945
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:53.480
<v Speaker 3>world shock conspiracies on phones like a story in a book.

946
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<v Speaker 3>Me console sign the kids all gonna use the whole mind.

947
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<v Speaker 1>In history.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't want us to know the secrets that hide,

949
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<v Speaker 3>since they will show no day, no society. They keep

950
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<v Speaker 3>us in chase, but in time it's time to break

951
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<v Speaker 3>the reins. Control trying to keep us fine. But I'm

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<v Speaker 3>all people are gonna use my.

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<v Speaker 1>Mind in history.

954
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<v Speaker 3>They don't want us to know the secrets that hide,

955
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<v Speaker 3>since they will show the lead society. Thank you us

956
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<v Speaker 3>and Chase, but san it talks sound to break the reins.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm