Speaker 1: And I just turned around and I call ass out
Speaker 1: of there. I was done. I wasn't dealing with them.
Speaker 1: The hypocrisy of the cult is one of the things
Speaker 1: that turned me away the quickest. When I turned my
Speaker 1: head lights on, it turned and looked at us.
Speaker 2: And one of the things I remember the most where
Speaker 2: the eyes were going red.
Speaker 1: I see an orb of light. It is just circling
Speaker 1: these steps like it is waiting for me. And he
Speaker 1: begins to tell them that he saw UFO. They're basically like,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about.
Speaker 2: That's seven foot up on a tree, peeking around it,
Speaker 2: and that's where I saw.
Speaker 1: The top of the muzzle, noose and the eyes. As
Speaker 1: soon as I made eye contact with this thing, it
Speaker 1: don't like death.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Tenfoil Tells. I'm your host, Brandon Wright.
Speaker 2: Tonight is the first night that I get to use
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Speaker 2: going to be joined by my guests Bartimas. We reached
Speaker 2: out a while back and talked a little bit about
Speaker 2: some of the things he wants to discuss tonight. He
Speaker 2: believes that he contacts angels, and he also is a
Speaker 2: practitioner of magic. I know this seems to be a
Speaker 2: little taboo here for some people, but definitely piques my interest,
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Speaker 2: and bring Bartimeus on. Definitely looking forward to talk with him,
Speaker 2: and I hope you guys enjoy the conversation. It's a
Speaker 2: sit back, relax and enjoy the show. I like to
Speaker 2: take this time to welcome my guest tonight, Bartimas. Thanks
Speaker 2: for coming on here and talking with me.
Speaker 1: Great, thank you, Thanks for inviting me and not a problem.
Speaker 2: So would you like to let the audience know a
Speaker 2: little bit about yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, So basically I've been an esoteric practitioner for
Speaker 1: just about ten years or so. Now. I first got
Speaker 1: started studying this stuff when I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: twelve or so, you know, so that's like a whole
Speaker 1: sixteen years. I've just been into all these sorts of things,
Speaker 1: you know. I started like studying grimoires and stuff when
Speaker 1: I was in middle school, just for fun, just try
Speaker 1: to plumb the secrets of the universe and learn about
Speaker 1: magic and all that sort of stuff. Currently, just in
Speaker 1: terms of my general spiritual practice, you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: Christian gnostic. I'm affiliated with the church up up here
Speaker 1: on the West Coast, you know, personally my own theological
Speaker 1: approachings of leaning a little more towards the traditional Christian
Speaker 1: side of things, but I find a lot of value
Speaker 1: in Gnostic writ So.
Speaker 2: Let's see now the gnostic part of that. What is
Speaker 2: the everyone listening? What's that rates that from like the
Speaker 2: normal Christianity version of it, because I know, like I mean,
Speaker 2: some almost those are agnostic. They don't necessarily believe in
Speaker 2: like they believe that there's a like the spirits, like
Speaker 2: a spirit around with God and everything else, but they
Speaker 2: don't necessarily believe the Bible is that's correct.
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a difference between being agnostic and gnostic.
Speaker 1: There's you know, agnostic is the negative form of the word.
Speaker 1: It means not knowing, right, So it's like this sort
Speaker 1: of state of believing that you can't know, whereas the
Speaker 1: gnostics have the exact opposite perspective, where the whole goal
Speaker 1: is this knowledge of the higher forces that specifically the
Speaker 1: knowledge of God to the degree that we can accomplish
Speaker 1: that while we are still alive. So a lot of
Speaker 1: the things that came up where gnosticism ended up being
Speaker 1: condemned by the official church back in the day was
Speaker 1: partially because of certain schools of Gnostic thought that were
Speaker 1: I actually think we're pretty corrosive, these really dualistic forms
Speaker 1: of thought, you know, that absolutely condemned the material world
Speaker 1: and said that it was irredeemable and completely evil, and
Speaker 1: and you know, and there were some others where they
Speaker 1: just had different ways of looking at things. But the
Speaker 1: general approach of gnosticism is that instead of just faith
Speaker 1: itself being the thing that accomplishes your salvation, you have
Speaker 1: to actually know God and to have personal experience with
Speaker 1: God as he is, rather than, you know, just just
Speaker 1: believing in something because it says in a book. And
Speaker 1: in fact, actually you know, one of the interesting things
Speaker 1: that's kind of ignored in Gnostic history and is just
Speaker 1: not so well known, it's not really talked about in
Speaker 1: the pop gnostic world, as I like to refer to it,
Speaker 1: is that Marcian, for example, who who is known as
Speaker 1: a very much a dualist, a dualist gnostic heretic who
Speaker 1: maintained that the Old Testament God was Satan and all
Speaker 1: of these sorts of things. He was actually the one
Speaker 1: of the main sources we have for the Letters of Paul,
Speaker 1: all those epistles, the ol corinth Ins and Galatians and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. He basically collected all of that, and
Speaker 1: he's the one who preserved that for the future of
Speaker 1: the church basically, which is really interesting that he doesn't
Speaker 1: get credit for this. The main, the main part of
Speaker 1: the whole delineation between say, somebody who'd be called gnostic
Speaker 1: and you know who'd be part of the early traditional church.
Speaker 1: You know, up until like the year thousand or so,
Speaker 1: it was really a lot of the time as a
Speaker 1: matter of politics more than anything else. I can't remember
Speaker 1: off the top of my head who it was, but
Speaker 1: one of the first Biblical commentaries we have was written
Speaker 1: by a known Gnostic teacher, which I think is a
Speaker 1: fascinating bit of history there. But yeah, generally speaking, there's
Speaker 1: there's also a lot more focus in like contemporary analysticism,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more focus on the internal aspects of
Speaker 1: the divine, where like, for example, in Saint Paul's Officials
Speaker 1: there's a letter. One of his statements is that you know,
Speaker 1: we are the temple of the Holy Spirit, right and
Speaker 1: that there are other statements like in the Gospel John
Speaker 1: where it says that Christ adbites necessary dwell in him,
Speaker 1: and all of these sorts of ideas. There's a lot
Speaker 1: more emphasis put on the side of knowing God as
Speaker 1: he is within us, and knowing Christ as he is
Speaker 1: a part of us instead of just an abstract deity
Speaker 1: somewhere else. That there's a lot more focus on that
Speaker 1: side of things rather than, for example, you know, moral
Speaker 1: codes and dogmatic concepts.
Speaker 2: M I don't want to derail or anything like ask questions,
Speaker 2: get it off topic or whatever, but like that was
Speaker 2: just something I know that kind of like I've always wondered,
Speaker 2: like what the difference when someone says they're gnostic, someone
Speaker 2: says they're a Christian or whatever, And I know I've
Speaker 2: heard people say they're agnostic or whatever. So I just
Speaker 2: want to try and get a little bit of clarification.
Speaker 2: That way I understand a little bit better, and anyone
Speaker 2: out there listening they understand a little bit better too,
Speaker 2: Because there's so many different denominations of religion, especially like
Speaker 2: with christian and anyway, one of my recent episodes there
Speaker 2: so there's over forty something thousand versions of Christianity, which
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I know, I had no idea that that
Speaker 2: was the thing, and I was like just really surprised
Speaker 2: and took back by it.
Speaker 1: So, oh yeah, post Reformation, you know, with the whole
Speaker 1: Protestant Reformation, it's like the ideas that Martin Luther basically
Speaker 1: established ended up just really kind of running off the
Speaker 1: rails in a lot of ways. When you have this
Speaker 1: idea of like, you know, so let's cook toura you
Speaker 1: know that only scripture is important and only faith. Well,
Speaker 1: there's a lot you can do with that. So you know,
Speaker 1: you have like here, particularly here in America, you know,
Speaker 1: you have like a bunch of different evangelical denominations, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it gets it gets crazy. You know, every other little
Speaker 1: church becomes its own independent denomination. As long as they
Speaker 1: have a pastor, they can be a denomination of their own.
Speaker 2: Interesting, it is strange to me how that works, because
Speaker 2: I don't want to go too far into my own stuff,
Speaker 2: but like, there was a church here in my area
Speaker 2: and people that I know were like it was their
Speaker 2: church and only their family went to it and only
Speaker 2: like the one guy was the pastor, and then like
Speaker 2: it was like their own family church, like all the
Speaker 2: kids went to their parents' church, and they're grand like
Speaker 2: their grandkids went to like no outsiders went to us.
Speaker 2: Like It's almost got like a cultish vibe to it.
Speaker 2: But I interesting, yeah, just whatever, I mean, whatever works
Speaker 2: for people, I guess, yeah.
Speaker 1: After a certain point, you know, that's that's pretty curious though,
Speaker 1: I've heard of this as a thing in more remote
Speaker 1: parts of the country. But yeah, interesting.
Speaker 2: Well, if you would like to dive into what you
Speaker 2: want to discuss tonight, I'm gonna turn it over to
Speaker 2: you and can go wherever you want to go with it.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, so, considering we got started off with
Speaker 1: the whole the whole concern of a gnosticism, which has
Speaker 1: to do with this concept of the personal exp varience
Speaker 1: of the divine, I think it'll be quite relevant to
Speaker 1: discuss my my general passion for for angelic theogy, which
Speaker 1: is which leads to the experience of communicating with angels,
Speaker 1: which is something that is, you know, a bit of
Speaker 1: a perennial topic in all spiritual circles, you know, I've
Speaker 1: seen like deon Fortune books all about like oh yeah,
Speaker 1: talk to your angel and all this stuff. You have
Speaker 1: different new ag things that talk about that. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like there's well. I also just recently gave a
Speaker 1: presentation on the Holy Guardian Angel. It was in Canada,
Speaker 1: but it was kind of ended up being a remote
Speaker 1: thing that was pretty fun. I'll actually be putting that
Speaker 1: up on my YouTube channel in a week or two,
Speaker 1: I think, just got to process the video and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But so in the in the Western magical tradition,
Speaker 1: which goes all the way back to ancient Greece and
Speaker 1: Egypt and all that, there's a general process through which
Speaker 1: that that we humans are able to get in contact
Speaker 1: with the higher divine forces, which is often referred to theogy,
Speaker 1: which means literally just God work. And you know, as
Speaker 1: time went on, you know, after after society got to
Speaker 1: be more monotheistic or I wouldn't say monotheistic strictly speaking,
Speaker 1: but you know, oriented towards monotheist or crimoni'st conception of things,
Speaker 1: whether through Neoplatonism or through the Christian perspective. This, this
Speaker 1: practice of theogy of getting in contact with the divine
Speaker 1: celestial powers ended up transforming into this form of work
Speaker 1: of invoking angels, and so some some of your audience
Speaker 1: may be familiar with doctor John d the famous English
Speaker 1: occultist and magician who was the He was the astrologer
Speaker 1: for Queen Elizabeth the First and basically he was he
Speaker 1: was he also was a spy for her. He was
Speaker 1: the first spy. He was actually the original double oh seven.
Speaker 1: Funnily enough, he's he's a great example of somebody who
Speaker 1: had engaged in this particular art and received a system
Speaker 1: known as Enochian or Inachian, where he had communicated with
Speaker 1: these angelic beings. You know, he said he saw an
Speaker 1: image of a vision of the archangel Michael through his
Speaker 1: crystal ball, and he gave him a magical ring that
Speaker 1: was then used to basically receive this entire magical system
Speaker 1: into and a special angelic language that was used within
Speaker 1: the context of this magical system, which if you look
Speaker 1: at the history of England and the British Empire after
Speaker 1: this whole series of events, you know, he basically through
Speaker 1: his work established the British Empire. It's really quite fascinating
Speaker 1: thing right there. But this this issue of the work
Speaker 1: of invoking the angels. You know, a lot of people
Speaker 1: fall into this thing, this this sort of negative self
Speaker 1: concept where it's like, oh, well, I can't we can't
Speaker 1: know anything, I can't communicate with the divine forces. I
Speaker 1: can't I can't I can't know anything, I can't accomplish anything,
Speaker 1: all of these sorts of negative ideas. But we can
Speaker 1: and we can engage in this practice of theology which
Speaker 1: puts us in contact with these higher forces. And there's
Speaker 1: all sorts of interesting visions that come along with this
Speaker 1: as well that you know, considering as I as I
Speaker 1: saw on your channel, there's a lot of focus on
Speaker 1: the sort of paranormal side of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's like a lot of word stuff.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's interesting stuff too, you know. So there is
Speaker 1: this this practice that we can engage in that well,
Speaker 1: if I can put us in contact with these higher
Speaker 1: forces that can help guide us and to help us
Speaker 1: accomplish our goals in this life. For example, if you
Speaker 1: look in the book the Three Books of Occult Philosophy
Speaker 1: by Agrippa, which is a famous occult work that has
Speaker 1: to do with the three areas of magic, the natural magic,
Speaker 1: which has to do with like the virtues of plants
Speaker 1: and stones and all these sorts of things, as well
Speaker 1: as astrological magic. And the third book has to do
Speaker 1: with celestial magic and theogy. Like this whole process of
Speaker 1: getting into contact with the angels and trying to get
Speaker 1: closer to God through this process. You know, there there
Speaker 1: are seven different essentially seven different angels that correspond to
Speaker 1: the planets who have different ways that they can help
Speaker 1: us out. For example, you know, let's say that you
Speaker 1: are to be having issues with your love life, you
Speaker 1: could evoke the archangel of Venus, whose name is Anna
Speaker 1: l Who can you know? If you were to go
Speaker 1: through the procedure to invoke this angel, you could get
Speaker 1: help in those areas relating to Venus, like with love
Speaker 1: and luxury and beauty, appreciation of beauty and becoming more
Speaker 1: beautiful and all those concerns. So we use on a
Speaker 1: L kind of as an example here. So let's say
Speaker 1: you are single, and you really don't like being single.
Speaker 1: You want to find somebody who's a good match for you,
Speaker 1: to find a good significant other. So what do you
Speaker 1: do in this particular paradigm where we're able to tract
Speaker 1: with angels to gain these higher levels of knowledge and
Speaker 1: all these sorts of things. So there's a period of
Speaker 1: time and angelic work where you have to engage in purification,
Speaker 1: which is where you would just take a period of
Speaker 1: time to fast from things. You know. Nowadays, water fasting
Speaker 1: I've seen has become incredibly popular as well as just
Speaker 1: intermittent fasting on the whole, but particularly water fasting. You
Speaker 1: don't have to go that hardcore, at least for the
Speaker 1: initial couple of days that you prepare. You know, morning
Speaker 1: of you should ideally not eat until you perform the operation.
Speaker 1: But but there's a period of time where you take
Speaker 1: time to hold back from you know, eating meat and
Speaker 1: just reducing the amount of food they eat for at
Speaker 1: least three days when you're about to perform this work,
Speaker 1: not to drink alcohol or get high and do drugs
Speaker 1: and stuff. You're not not supposed to do that stuff
Speaker 1: while you prepare for this great encounter with the the
Speaker 1: direct manifestation of God's consciousness. And you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: time leading up to this particular working where you have
Speaker 1: to engage in meditation and prayer where you where you
Speaker 1: work on figuring out exactly what your goal is in
Speaker 1: terms of getting to know this angel like why why
Speaker 1: are you doing this? What's what's the reason? You know.
Speaker 1: Then there's examinations of conscience where you go and figure out,
Speaker 1: you know, how how did I air you know, whether
Speaker 1: it's in regards to your specific goal here just in
Speaker 1: other other things. In the old groom or tradition, they
Speaker 1: have a lot of pre written confessions that are meant
Speaker 1: to be said in the process, that are just meant
Speaker 1: to meet, that are meant to cause you to think
Speaker 1: about the ways in which you've you've messed up. You know,
Speaker 1: we all we all screw up every once in a while.
Speaker 1: You know, that's just a part of life. And so
Speaker 1: there's the purification and the prayers and meditation, and there's
Speaker 1: there's also just different ritual implements that should ideally be
Speaker 1: prepared during this period of time. You know. There you
Speaker 1: could use a table, a small form of a table.
Speaker 1: There are different diagrams of them called a table of practice,
Speaker 1: which is utilized for placing upon it a crystal or
Speaker 1: a chalice of wine, or some other form of the
Speaker 1: device used for scrying or to perceive the visions through it.
Speaker 1: You know. Black mirrors are another one that's often used.
Speaker 1: In fact, John D. Had one of those as well.
Speaker 1: So you take this this three day period of time
Speaker 1: where you devote yourself to doing this work. You prepare
Speaker 1: incense and candles, and you do these prayers and purifications
Speaker 1: and all that stuff, and then comes the big day.
Speaker 1: If we if we were to be following this example
Speaker 1: here invoking the archangel of Venus on it all, that
Speaker 1: would be on Friday, which is the day traditionally associated
Speaker 1: with Venus, which works great for that being the last
Speaker 1: day of work, right. You know, in your average work week,
Speaker 1: you know, the Monday through Friday nine to five, you get
Speaker 1: Friday as your party day, which is very much a
Speaker 1: Venusian thing. But I digress, But so you know, Friday morning,
Speaker 1: you wake up, you you engage in some private prayer,
Speaker 1: and then you prepare yourself to say this particular invocation
Speaker 1: of the Angel where you call you just call forth
Speaker 1: through the Angel and the name of God, and like
Speaker 1: your incense and cleanse the area with holy water and
Speaker 1: all these other things. And what happens at the end
Speaker 1: of it is kind of the more interesting part of
Speaker 1: the whole process. You know, there's the period of time
Speaker 1: leading up to it where you're working on kind of
Speaker 1: calming down and kind of turning away from the world,
Speaker 1: getting to a place where you can have these extra
Speaker 1: sensory perceptions, you know, instead of being distracted like we
Speaker 1: are in our day to day life. And so comes
Speaker 1: the time that you're to call up the angel. And
Speaker 1: when you get to the point that you have success,
Speaker 1: there's visions and all sorts of interesting things, visions of
Speaker 1: lights around the strying apparatus and different odors, not necessarily
Speaker 1: from the incense, but the angels are describe in the
Speaker 1: traditional literature is having particular special odors that come with them,
Speaker 1: sounds like the light ringing of high pitched bells and
Speaker 1: all these other things. Then the angels there and you
Speaker 1: get to community kate with it, and through that communication
Speaker 1: you can gain new levels of knowledge, both in terms of, like,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of the theosophical type of knowledge
Speaker 1: where you're trying to know God and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and also just in terms of getting advice for how
Speaker 1: to handle your own life and how to make your
Speaker 1: life what you want it to be rather than it,
Speaker 1: you know, sucking. Relating to the process of angelic invocation,
Speaker 1: I would like to share a bit of an anecdote
Speaker 1: from my very first attempt at this at this art
Speaker 1: back in twenty fifteen, I think was the first time,
Speaker 1: or late twenty four No, it was twenty four Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the very end of twenty fourteen. It was
Speaker 1: the first time I had trying to invoke an archangel
Speaker 1: in my little apartment in upstate New York. So kind
Speaker 1: of an odd situation. There's kind of like a subletting
Speaker 1: sort of thing. I had set up a little closet
Speaker 1: to be my ritual space that I had cleaned out,
Speaker 1: and I set up the ritual table, and I had
Speaker 1: all this stuff set up to do this work, and
Speaker 1: I was working a kind of a late shift thing
Speaker 1: at a taxi company where I was, and so I
Speaker 1: wasn't able to do the right until very late at night,
Speaker 1: and I had I had come home. I just engaged
Speaker 1: in some prayer meditation, you know, kind of uh riling
Speaker 1: myself up for the work. And as part of it,
Speaker 1: I had used the first three of these Inokian calls,
Speaker 1: you know, in that angelical tongue. I had been recommended
Speaker 1: to use them. It just it was it wasn't me
Speaker 1: personally recommended to use the moves. On a pretty pretty
Speaker 1: well known website studio orcanist dot com that where there
Speaker 1: is somebody who was recommending using these three calls to
Speaker 1: kind of like attenuate the space for this for this
Speaker 1: interaction for the angelic forces. And it's in this very
Speaker 1: odd sounding language. It's it's very much a synthetic language
Speaker 1: in every way. It's it's it's interesting. But so we
Speaker 1: have we have the moment first time. You know, I've
Speaker 1: got my ritual robes on and I have all my
Speaker 1: stuff set up for doing it in this weird little closet.
Speaker 1: And and when when I had got started on the
Speaker 1: prayers calling on the angel to come and show up,
Speaker 1: there are these bangs in the back room of my
Speaker 1: little place. It was pretty well insulated. It wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been anything from the other people. It was like two
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, you know, there's just these big
Speaker 1: thuds from within my own quarters. And and it was
Speaker 1: it was kind of I felt the kind of like
Speaker 1: the hair along the back of my neck standing on end.
Speaker 1: And it was very interesting experience. And I started seeing
Speaker 1: the lights or within the the it was like a
Speaker 1: basically a glass from one of these like wineglasses from
Speaker 1: Michael's or something. Because my strying mirror had fallen off
Speaker 1: a shelf and broke in the week of the purifications,
Speaker 1: and I saw these these lights forming over the chalice,
Speaker 1: and I was just like wow. I kept on. I
Speaker 1: just kept on going on with it from what I'd
Speaker 1: been reading for a long time, and was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: well you got to see like this humanoid shape show up,
Speaker 1: and then you know, if you don't get that it failed.
Speaker 1: But I saw these lights and I just you know,
Speaker 1: the whole thing just was like it was. It was
Speaker 1: frankly quite incredible. It encouraged me to do the work
Speaker 1: again later. But you know, it's nice to say this
Speaker 1: is my first attempt and it didn't go exactly the
Speaker 1: way that I thought it was supposed to. So I
Speaker 1: ended it and I was like, okay, well, I'll just
Speaker 1: close the ritual the way that it needs to be
Speaker 1: done and go on to do something else. You know,
Speaker 1: I'll come back to it later after I have a
Speaker 1: bit more practice maybe. And a few months later, after
Speaker 1: i'd come back home to Washington State, I was reading
Speaker 1: a book that was discussing it's called the oh what
Speaker 1: is it, The Celestial Keys, I think is what it's
Speaker 1: called by doctor Thomas read. It was put up by
Speaker 1: Steven Skinner some years ago, who's a big author and
Speaker 1: solomonic magic in particular, and the author this book this
Speaker 1: doctor Rudd from the seventeenth century who was a major
Speaker 1: angelic magician. Apparently there was some order of magicians practicing
Speaker 1: an Okian magic in that place and time. He discusses
Speaker 1: they are all the ways to know when the angels arrive,
Speaker 1: and he says that there will pear a multi colored
Speaker 1: curtain over the crystal or over whatever this scrying device is.
Speaker 1: And I basically just like slap myself, like, oh geez,
Speaker 1: It's like I was here, I was right at the
Speaker 1: beginning of the process, and I just fell for the
Speaker 1: stuff online that was like, if we don't see this
Speaker 1: precise form of manifestation, it didn't work sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And and but reading that gave me a lot more
Speaker 1: encouragement and I've just been practicing that form of the
Speaker 1: art ever since then. But generally speaking, oh yeah, I'm ask.
Speaker 2: A couple of questions. Check go for it when you
Speaker 2: communicate or when you are attempting to communicate with these things,
Speaker 2: and if you're getting some sort of response so that
Speaker 2: you believe are like. From that, how does one determine
Speaker 2: if they're actually angelic responses or if you're not getting
Speaker 2: responses from something else pretending to be that way.
Speaker 1: Ah, that is a great question. Thank you for asking that. Okay,
Speaker 1: So the general process is that you would you would
Speaker 1: ask it to swear in the name of God, because
Speaker 1: the essential underlying theory of all these things is that
Speaker 1: nothing can lie if it's swearing by God's name, you know,
Speaker 1: that would be essentially a grave sin form of blasphemy,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. And so they are they
Speaker 1: are forced to swear in that name. And there's also
Speaker 1: in the Gospels themselves. Jesus also says that you know,
Speaker 1: you test the spirits in My name is one of
Speaker 1: the things that he says. So if you're if you're
Speaker 1: practicing in a Christian paradigm in particular, you know, you
Speaker 1: could use the name of Jesus and ask them, you know,
Speaker 1: are you truly the Spirit X? You know, and if
Speaker 1: they say yes, and you say you do you swear
Speaker 1: by the name of Jesus, by the five the five wounds,
Speaker 1: and by His most sacred Blood, that you are truly
Speaker 1: the Spirit X. And then the spirit will answer honestly
Speaker 1: because it has to. It's part of the rules of
Speaker 1: the of the game basically. And there are other signs too,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, for example, the diabolical spirits tend to
Speaker 1: have a very like what's the word I want not
Speaker 1: particularly pleasant smell, like rotting meat and sulfur and these
Speaker 1: sorts of things, you know, like I've had this, I've
Speaker 1: had this happen. You know, even when I've had I haven't.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I have never had a demon randomly show
Speaker 1: up while invoking an angel. Just just to make that
Speaker 1: clear to John Dee writes in his diaries about something's happening,
Speaker 1: But he wasn't doing a very structured thing, to be fair,
Speaker 1: he was just saying a bunch of prayers and hoping
Speaker 1: to God something would show up instead of it being
Speaker 1: in a structured way. If I have this spirit I
Speaker 1: want to talk to, and therefore I'm going to call
Speaker 1: this spirit and hopefully it'll show up. Even when I
Speaker 1: have had sense, when when I conjuring, when having to
Speaker 1: work with demons, or just in times where I've had
Speaker 1: to deal with them, you know, they show up. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they tend to bring with them a smell of rotten eggs,
Speaker 1: rotten eggs or rotting meat. It's just completely inexplicable too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was one time I went to go hang out
Speaker 1: with somebody some years ago. It was kind of a
Speaker 1: formal meeting sort of thing, so hanging out is the
Speaker 1: wrong term. And I came home is sometime in the
Speaker 1: evening and my wife was at home waiting for me.
Speaker 1: I came home and she was she was like, dear God,
Speaker 1: you smell like rotting meat. And I was like, that's
Speaker 1: really weird. There was nothing that would have led to
Speaker 1: that odor around me. But the guy who I was,
Speaker 1: who I was speaking with, had a lot of severe
Speaker 1: spiritual problems. We'll say. He was just yeah, he had
Speaker 1: a lot of problems, very very you know, there's there's
Speaker 1: a way to have pride over things. There's the thing
Speaker 1: that's being pride forward. It's like just sheer arrogance, you know.
Speaker 1: He was like convinced he was like a god among
Speaker 1: men and composition and theological mystical understandings and stuff, and
Speaker 1: the guy was just total nut. But anyway, but yeah,
Speaker 1: so she was like, you smell like death and broading meat.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, well here we go. So
Speaker 1: blessed some bless some holy water and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: annointed myself with it, sprinkled the place that we were
Speaker 1: renting at that time, and the smell went away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's one of those things that does happen. Sometimes
Speaker 1: there's smells and other feelings, you know, like demons will
Speaker 1: bring feelings of fear and anxiety and angels. You know,
Speaker 1: it says, you know, do not fear in the Bible
Speaker 1: and an angel shows up, but that it's a feeling
Speaker 1: of awe. It's like this profound awe into like like
Speaker 1: sort of existential excitement. I guess that'd be a way
Speaker 1: to put it, like an ecstatic state that you get
Speaker 1: to and interacting with celestial spirits. It's interesting.
Speaker 2: I've had someone and I've now interviewed them over this,
Speaker 2: but they've mentioned off air that sometimes they try and
Speaker 2: summon demons for financial purposes. I don't know how that works,
Speaker 2: and I don't know if that's a smart thing to
Speaker 2: be trying to do. But is that common that you're
Speaker 2: aware of, Like people they actually try and attempt to
Speaker 2: use demonic in it East for their own benefits. I
Speaker 2: know there's a whole big conspiracy about cabal's and all
Speaker 2: this other stuff. But like just in general, like the
Speaker 2: average person, is this something that people actually attempt to do?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah all the time. It's like reason number one
Speaker 1: why people get involved with the cult is mostly the
Speaker 1: contrac demons to get paid, get laid, or get even
Speaker 1: That's kind of the big three, especially getting paid. And
Speaker 1: I haven't really seen that it does anything for anybody.
Speaker 1: You know, there is a way to deal with the
Speaker 1: whole aspect of demonic forces, but it's just not in
Speaker 1: my own personal experience, has just never been something that
Speaker 1: plays out the way that people try to advertise it.
Speaker 1: As you know, I've seen I've known people who personally
Speaker 1: made pacts with a demon known as known as Clownett
Speaker 1: from the Grimoor and Varam, who has reported to give
Speaker 1: great wealth. But it's like, you know, one of the
Speaker 1: guys who I knew who was involved in this particular
Speaker 1: compact like severe kidney failure, dude, I mean, his significant
Speaker 1: other has left him. He's like all alone at this point,
Speaker 1: there's nothing going on. The other guy basically the same situation.
Speaker 1: He's very ill and just doesn't have any money, like
Speaker 1: nothing nothing really going for him, which is actually kind
Speaker 1: of in good part discussed in my favorite Christian Grimore,
Speaker 1: The Arbitel of Magic, which I have a whole video
Speaker 1: series I'll be releasing in the cold months when it
Speaker 1: gets too hard to film out here, where the author
Speaker 1: talks about this issue of people who have these ends
Speaker 1: they want to accomplish and they feel like I have
Speaker 1: to go to the demons to do this, and you know,
Speaker 1: they want to get rich. They feel like I need
Speaker 1: to go and talk to these these particular demons from
Speaker 1: these Grimmars, from the from the Croatia or Goetzier or whoever,
Speaker 1: whichever form of pronunciation your viewers may be more familiar with,
Speaker 1: or you know, the lester Key of Solomon and the
Speaker 1: Grimoar and Varum and all these other grim mars where
Speaker 1: they have these spirits that are supposedly devoted to making
Speaker 1: you rich, and it's like they don't get anything for it,
Speaker 1: you know, instead they just get damaged. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like because there's there's a very fine line that has
Speaker 1: to be walked when dealing with these spirits. You know,
Speaker 1: people think it's like oh, if I give if I
Speaker 1: give Belly all some offerings, like I'm going to get
Speaker 1: everything that I want. It's like, no, that that's not
Speaker 1: really how it ends up working.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I've known people who you know, even encourage doing this
Speaker 1: sort of thing to me some years ago with some
Speaker 1: particular of those spirits, one of whom was made famous
Speaker 1: by a horror movie whose name I'm not going to mention,
Speaker 1: but you know, I can't remember the name of the
Speaker 1: movie either. Is that one where there's some family packed
Speaker 1: thing and then like everybody dies at the end or something,
Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, you should work with the spirit
Speaker 1: for for wealth, and that same person now is like
Speaker 1: struggling to handle anything, you know, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think that demonic workings are advisable for anybody. Honestly, the
Speaker 1: only the only way that working with demons ends up
Speaker 1: working is if it's specifically to exercise their evil forces
Speaker 1: and to make them serve as slaves. Anything other than
Speaker 1: that ends up immediately turning into worship of demons and
Speaker 1: which which doesn't benefit anybody at all. It only helps
Speaker 1: out the demons, and they don't really care for our
Speaker 1: well being. They mostly hate us. They either don't care
Speaker 1: about us or they hate us. It's kind of one
Speaker 1: of those sorts of relationships there.
Speaker 2: I could go on for a long time and ask
Speaker 2: for hell a bunch of things. So again, we'll I know,
Speaker 2: we don't have a whole lot of time, but we
Speaker 2: can go back. Unfortunately, which you want to talk about,
Speaker 2: but maybe we can do a follow because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that I've kind of wanted to talk
Speaker 2: about when it comes to like the angelics and the
Speaker 2: demons and everything else and how people dive into and
Speaker 2: I've never been able to find someone that's willing to
Speaker 2: talk about it.
Speaker 1: So oh really wow.
Speaker 2: I've had people wind up, but they'll never they never
Speaker 2: come through with the interviews.
Speaker 1: They always seriously, yeah, oh wow, that sucks. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: honored to be the first one to come on to
Speaker 1: discuss the stuff. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: I've had people said they've had demonic attacks, and I've
Speaker 2: had other people that mention things like that, but they
Speaker 2: I've never been able to talk to someone that openly
Speaker 2: communicates with like angelics or someone's openly communicated with demons
Speaker 2: or something like that. So it's something that I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's too taboo for people or they just
Speaker 2: don't want to talk about it.
Speaker 1: There's a sign of it where you know, privacy is
Speaker 1: one of those big things in this work. I mean personally,
Speaker 1: I won't there's some things that I can't talk about
Speaker 1: as kind of like an oath type thing, you know,
Speaker 1: where it's like I just I can't discuss something. But
Speaker 1: there's also just kind of a general principle and occult
Speaker 1: practice in particular, really just generally mysticism. You know, the
Speaker 1: fourth rule of the sinks as it's referred to a silence,
Speaker 1: you know, where it's like some things are meant to
Speaker 1: be kept private. You know, it's like a marital relationship, right,
Speaker 1: you know, you don't want to hear about everything that
Speaker 1: goes on in private. It's not something you want to
Speaker 1: talk about. It's not something people really need to hear about.
Speaker 1: And there is a sign of that with magic. But
Speaker 1: the general rules I think are really important, just the
Speaker 1: general concepts and to and to bring out these things
Speaker 1: that people can avoid the mistakes and avoid the errors,
Speaker 1: and to actually do something constructive with themselves instead of
Speaker 1: getting dragged along into demon worship and all the horrible
Speaker 1: things that come along with that, like organ failure. Happened
Speaker 1: to a lot of people I've known who practiced that
Speaker 1: art in particular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: that they hear bits and pieces of it, but they
Speaker 2: don't ever know the real risks that are involved with it.
Speaker 2: And that's why I kind of ask, like, when you're
Speaker 2: talking with angels, how are you sure? How is someone
Speaker 2: to know if they're really talking to an angel? So
Speaker 2: that's why I kind of wanted to ask that, because
Speaker 2: people are you never know, like when you're communicating, people
Speaker 2: say they hear from God, they talk with God, people
Speaker 2: say a lot of things, How do they really know
Speaker 2: that's not something evil communicating with them to manipulate them.
Speaker 1: The grander rule that I would say for that is
Speaker 1: this is to use that gift of the Holy Spirit
Speaker 1: of discernment. And you know, it's like that sounds that
Speaker 1: sounds nice, but you know you have to look at
Speaker 1: the kind of the brass tack side of it too.
Speaker 1: You know, if somebody has a happy, functional life, if
Speaker 1: somebody's life just seems to be in order, you know,
Speaker 1: there are people who, for example, you know, just they
Speaker 1: may not make the absolute smartest decisions or have the
Speaker 1: most conventional life style and all things then told, but
Speaker 1: they have what they need. They seem like happy, well
Speaker 1: adjusted people. You know, then if your life is going
Speaker 1: that way, where your life is getting better and you're
Speaker 1: moving towards the goal of things being good and you
Speaker 1: can see appreciable steps towards that, then you're doing the
Speaker 1: right thing. You're working with the angels, you're working with
Speaker 1: the good spirits. If your life is going straight to
Speaker 1: hell on a handbasket, then you should be able to
Speaker 1: figure out that you're probably getting screwed over by something.
Speaker 1: Something is either lying to you or else there's some
Speaker 1: other issue going on there, either being lied to or
Speaker 1: you're engaging in negative spiritual practices bringing in evil forces
Speaker 1: into your life.
Speaker 2: I know there's topics where people unwillingly invite these things in.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I don't. We can do a follow
Speaker 2: up sometime because I know there's a lot of questions
Speaker 2: and stuff that I get from listeners too, Because I
Speaker 2: don't ask a whole lot of questions, and I always
Speaker 2: get people like, why didn't you say something? I was like, well,
Speaker 2: it's not what I'm I don't interrupt people, So I'm
Speaker 2: trying to do things a little differently here. Starting over
Speaker 2: we're in I took a little bit of a break,
Speaker 2: so six weeks to energize and ready to go again.
Speaker 1: But got that.
Speaker 2: Sometimes, Yeah, I'm I want to start asking a little
Speaker 2: bit more questions here and there. But let's get back
Speaker 2: into what you're wanting to discuss, and then if we
Speaker 2: have time, I can ask some more questions.
Speaker 1: I think now it would probably be the best time
Speaker 1: to do the question questions aspect of things. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think I've said my piece, just generally speaking. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you've got if you've got questions, let's let's go for it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So when you're trying to communicate with like angel
Speaker 2: or whatever, what would be the best way for someone
Speaker 2: like myself to do? Is that something you would recommend
Speaker 2: someone that's just kind of wanting to do it? How
Speaker 2: would you go about doing it?
Speaker 1: Well, first, I would before getting into any of that stuff,
Speaker 1: I'd recommend reading about the process and how to do it.
Speaker 1: You can either go through the old Grimoires. One of
Speaker 1: the best of them is just that those three books
Speaker 1: of Acult Philosophy. The third book has all sorts of
Speaker 1: amazing advice there. I just happen to have written two
Speaker 1: books that deal with one book, particularly with ceremonial magic.
Speaker 1: On the whole, just the practice, the protocols for the
Speaker 1: practice of it, from novice to adept ascension through magic.
Speaker 1: And I wrote another book actually that specifically has to
Speaker 1: do with angelic invocation for beginners and even has the
Speaker 1: whole ritual written out for people who want to do
Speaker 1: that and want to get in contact with these forces
Speaker 1: called talking with Angels. I'll send you a link actually
Speaker 1: after we finish up here.
Speaker 2: But okay, I'll include all that in the show notes
Speaker 2: for anyone listening. That actually brings me up to the
Speaker 2: other one of the other questions I was having when
Speaker 2: you mentioned a cult and you mentioned magic and everything else.
Speaker 2: The people that I know that are more religious type people,
Speaker 2: that automatically sends up red flags to them. So when
Speaker 2: someone says that they're a believer in Christ and everything else,
Speaker 2: but you practice magic, or if you are into the
Speaker 2: occult type stuff or things that were esoteric or anything
Speaker 2: like that, they're automatically labeling those types of people as evil.
Speaker 2: How do you deal with someone like that? Like, how
Speaker 2: do you deal do you have any backlash from religious
Speaker 2: people from the things you dabble into.
Speaker 1: For the most part, I don't, necessarily not so much
Speaker 1: in that regard. People have given me a hard time
Speaker 1: for like using terrort cards, which the thing that kills
Speaker 1: me about that is that the terror cards are all
Speaker 1: built on biblical symbolism, you know, And that's a whole
Speaker 1: other subject that I could go on about for good,
Speaker 1: good time too. You know. The thing is is that
Speaker 1: most people just don't really know anything about their own religion.
Speaker 1: And I just accept this, you know. It's just most
Speaker 1: people really don't know. You know. They think magic means
Speaker 1: that you're going and cohorting with demons and calling up
Speaker 1: Satan to like hang out for tea or something, which
Speaker 1: is like not not what I do, you know. And
Speaker 1: and if you really get into the history of Western esotericism,
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was something that was practiced
Speaker 1: by theologians. It was practiced by priests who were in
Speaker 1: good standing with the church. You know. It's not like
Speaker 1: it was this this like evil dark think. There were
Speaker 1: there were people who did practice the dark, evil magic
Speaker 1: of invoking demons and doing all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, angelic communication is something that that you know,
Speaker 1: most of the saints have done at one point or another,
Speaker 1: whether the angels just showed up to him and said, hey,
Speaker 1: how's it going, Saint cyprin or you know something else
Speaker 1: like that. You know, I talked about this and the
Speaker 1: presentation I did on the Holy Guardian Angel. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like there are all these saints, you know, Saint
Speaker 1: Francis of ASSISI who had angels show up to him
Speaker 1: and talk to him, and men like flute he was,
Speaker 1: he would levitate during Mass, and all sorts of other
Speaker 1: interesting things like that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The people who look at these things as being evil
Speaker 1: just because they're not, you know, explicitly in the Bible
Speaker 1: or part of their materialist perspective on life, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's not that way. You know. There there are things.
Speaker 1: You know, again it comes down to discernment. You could
Speaker 1: either do things and do them in an evil way
Speaker 1: and do evil things, or you could do good things
Speaker 1: with it. You know, if you focus my way of
Speaker 1: looking at is, if your focus is on God and
Speaker 1: trying to become a better person, to try to to
Speaker 1: try to help, to try to help yourself and help
Speaker 1: the world around you, you know, to to ang from that.
Speaker 1: You know, that principle of love thy neighbor as thyself. Right,
Speaker 1: if if you're going about it with an attitude of
Speaker 1: love for neighbor and love for God, and you're trying
Speaker 1: to become a better version of yourself and to become
Speaker 1: a better person. Then I don't think there's anything wrong
Speaker 1: with that. I don't think you have to do magic
Speaker 1: to have these effects either. You know, they're technically you know,
Speaker 1: like prayer, you know, concentrated, focused prayer for a particular
Speaker 1: material end, which would be familiar to the Catholics among
Speaker 1: your listeners. You know, like praying novenas to the Blessed
Speaker 1: Virgin for you know, for success, you know, or praying
Speaker 1: to Our Lady of Perpetual Help for assistants and grave
Speaker 1: matters and all that sort of stuff. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like that's that itself as a form of magic. You know.
Speaker 1: As one of my friends you might be friends on Facebook,
Speaker 1: he's a traditional Catholic bishop who's also an esotericist. He
Speaker 1: here first to magic as applied theology. You know, you're
Speaker 1: using the gifts God gave you, that God gave us,
Speaker 1: being made in His image, to accomplish things in the
Speaker 1: world in a way that is part of the system.
Speaker 1: It's all just part of the system. At the end
Speaker 1: of the day, as long as it's not being used
Speaker 1: actively for evil ends or to to you know, either
Speaker 1: as an act of rebellion against this against God, the
Speaker 1: in the sense as the personal understanding of God, and
Speaker 1: in the sense of going against the Great How do
Speaker 1: I want to put it like this? The source of
Speaker 1: all things, that is essentially the principle that guides and
Speaker 1: moves everything that lives, in whom we live and move
Speaker 1: and have our being who just pervades everything. And you know,
Speaker 1: he has made manifest as all forms of consciousness and
Speaker 1: all that as song, as we're not trying to go
Speaker 1: against that and to cause harm to ourselves and to
Speaker 1: those around us, which really just requires some common sense.
Speaker 1: You know, I think we can all figure out what
Speaker 1: it means to actively harm somebody else or ourselves for
Speaker 1: that matter. You know, as long as we have have
Speaker 1: love and the assistance of life is ours, our purpose
Speaker 1: and all of this, it becomes it becomes very simple
Speaker 1: to know what is good and what is bad. When
Speaker 1: it comes to spiritual practice, whether whether you want to
Speaker 1: referred to it as a cult or esoteric or whatever
Speaker 1: anything else, it it becomes it becomes obvious, it's driven
Speaker 1: by by genuine by genuine love and then will end
Speaker 1: up being good. And that's what I tell people who
Speaker 1: ask me about these things. I mean, really, frankly, I
Speaker 1: don't deal with too many people who are on the
Speaker 1: that side of like the hard Evangelical Protestant Christian thing
Speaker 1: where they just don't understand these things at all because
Speaker 1: they reject the very models that the practice I have
Speaker 1: is based on. But most people I've I've interacted with
Speaker 1: will understand if you explain it to them right, they
Speaker 1: will eventually come to understand it and to see that
Speaker 1: it's not the evil thing. You know, it's at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, most of it is just advanced prayer,
Speaker 1: is how I put it, except for the parts where
Speaker 1: you're directly interacting with spiritual entities. That's kind of the
Speaker 1: part where it's a bit more interesting. So who am
Speaker 1: I to criticized?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was raised in a religious family, like
Speaker 2: I was brought up in a Pentecostal church, which, oh wow,
Speaker 2: that in itself is interesting. When they talk in tongues
Speaker 2: and everything else too, that's very strong.
Speaker 1: Like the healing stuff too, right they put the hands.
Speaker 2: And Yeah, so there's a lot of different aspects to
Speaker 2: that that can be turned into similar thing, like though
Speaker 2: they have the anointed hands to heal people, or they're
Speaker 2: speaking in God's language which is almost sounds like gibberish.
Speaker 2: There's so many different aspects to that that make you wonder,
Speaker 2: like how can they be against so many different things? Yeah,
Speaker 2: they do different things. That's what I said about the
Speaker 2: forty different, forty thousand different aspects to Christianity, Like there's
Speaker 2: just so many different little pieces that people interpret everything
Speaker 2: differently and have their own version and their own church
Speaker 2: and their own denomination, and each one has their own
Speaker 2: like strange aspect to it. So I just feel like
Speaker 2: with when you go with magic, I had someone recently
Speaker 2: on here that so they're a practitioner of magic, and
Speaker 2: I got people sending emails and comments about people practicing
Speaker 2: black arts they're evil and this is like that he
Speaker 2: never mentioned anything like that, Like he mentioned certain things
Speaker 2: here and there, but like that's not what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He's not like interacting and trying to curse people or
Speaker 2: bring demons, you know what I mean. Like, it's just
Speaker 2: they only hear what they want to hear.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, I hope I don't bring you too many
Speaker 1: negative comments. And flack or anything.
Speaker 2: No, like it's should be fine. I got one actually too.
Speaker 2: I got a couple from something recently. But the one
Speaker 2: the ones recently was actually saying I need to get
Speaker 2: more I need to be pushing more Christian views out
Speaker 2: there and more. This is not like I don't push
Speaker 2: views on any aspect, Like, that's not what my show's about.
Speaker 2: I'm here to let people discuss what they want to discuss.
Speaker 2: I don't have an agenda, so I'm not out here
Speaker 2: trying to push one way or the other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. But yeah, well we need more, we
Speaker 1: need more shows like this. I think it's a good
Speaker 1: thing you're doing where it's just kind of like discussion,
Speaker 1: get to hear about different things rather than you know,
Speaker 1: having an angle you're trying to force or anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I said, I just it's free flowing conversation
Speaker 2: for the me. Like, people come on here and they
Speaker 2: have a topic they want to discuss, and I'm all
Speaker 2: for it. So but yeah, you said you've written a
Speaker 2: couple of books. Whatever you have for that, you can
Speaker 2: send me links to and I'll make sure to include
Speaker 2: everything in the show notes. But I know we're running
Speaker 2: short on time. Tonight, But if there's anything else you'd
Speaker 2: like to discuss real quick, or at least let the
Speaker 2: audience know where they can. You'd like for them to
Speaker 2: reach out to you or get in touch with you
Speaker 2: about something.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, I wish I had more time tonight,
Speaker 1: but there's just yeah, scheduling things that ended up getting
Speaker 1: the way, family obligations and stuff. So if you would
Speaker 1: like to find me on YouTube or I have just
Speaker 1: I have videos I've been putting up for the past
Speaker 1: several months now. You can look me up as Bartimaeus
Speaker 1: Black got a sun cross as my logo. There. I
Speaker 1: put up videos every Wednesday morning. I've put out a
Speaker 1: few books. I have one out on traditional Western ceremonial magic,
Speaker 1: particularly from this Christian gnostic perspective, but I try to
Speaker 1: really leave it open for other people to add to
Speaker 1: understand it through their own theological lens, rather than pushing
Speaker 1: my exact theological views on them. It's just kind of
Speaker 1: an explanation of the protocols associated with this form of magic,
Speaker 1: you know, for spirit invocation, and how to make the tools,
Speaker 1: and well not how to make the tools much as
Speaker 1: the symbolism of the tools, so that it all makes
Speaker 1: sense as to how it all works together to make
Speaker 1: a unified system for doing this work as well as
Speaker 1: talking with angels. An Introductory Guide to Angelic Theology, which
Speaker 1: is written more for people who are just interested in
Speaker 1: the concept, you know, It's written a lot for people
Speaker 1: who are more into the alt spirituality New Age type stuff,
Speaker 1: still with the theological background that I approach it from.
Speaker 1: But there's a whole sample ritual written out in there,
Speaker 1: and a lot of detail given regarding the purification processes
Speaker 1: and everything that actually goes into constructing a successful ritual
Speaker 1: for communicating with these divine forces. And I also put
Speaker 1: out a book on the taro out terror Decoded Divination
Speaker 1: for All, where I go through the symbolism of the
Speaker 1: Tarot cards, mostly the major Arkana, and explain how to
Speaker 1: use them in divination and give some practical pointers. I've
Speaker 1: been reading cards for a good chunk of time. Now
Speaker 1: I also do professionally, but that's a whole other thing.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's that's what I've got. I'm on Facebook too.
Speaker 1: If you want to look me up on Facebook, Bartimes Black,
Speaker 1: feel free to shoot me your message and we can chat.
Speaker 1: And yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: Awesome again. Yeah, just send me links to your books
Speaker 2: and everything and I will include those for anyone listening.
Speaker 2: It's interested, they can check it out.
Speaker 1: Awesome, thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a problem, right.
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to meet you and to be on
Speaker 1: your show tonight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely been a pleasure, and we'll make sure to
Speaker 2: do a follow up when you get another chance. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of booked out for a little bit, but there's
Speaker 2: definitely a lot of things I'd like to discuss, so yeah, sure, just.
Speaker 1: Shoot me an email and let me know, let me
Speaker 1: know when you're free next and we'll work it up.
Speaker 2: Yep, sounds good. Well, thank you for the time tonight,
Speaker 2: and I want to say thanks for everyone out there listening.
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm