Speaker 1: Welcome to the Big Blue and sider Dick Gabriel with
Speaker 1: you Wednesday edition of our show, which means we will
Speaker 1: be visiting but unforgettable. Guard Sean Woods will talk about basketball,
Speaker 1: but we're going to talk about coaching in general because
Speaker 1: there's been so much said and written about Mark Stoops
Speaker 1: in the way he is coaching his team. So Sean,
Speaker 1: of course a veteran of the college basketball coaching business.
Speaker 1: Of course it is Wednesday meeting. We'll talk with West
Speaker 1: End Bureau chief Gary Moore, and we're gonna bring in
Speaker 1: Van Hiles. We usually don't lean on Van quite as
Speaker 1: much because you hear him on Sunday Morning Sports Talk,
Speaker 1: you hear Mom with Tom on Monday mornings. But I
Speaker 1: just have to get his response to what happened with Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: So Van Hiles will teach us some football coming up
Speaker 1: at the bottom of this hour, so stick around for that.
Speaker 1: Speaking of coaching and teaching, I follow Tony Franklin on
Speaker 1: Twitter or actually whatever you want to call it. Tony
Speaker 1: is the former UK assistant who was here when Mummy
Speaker 1: went down in flames, and you know, Claude Bassett tried
Speaker 1: to paint him as the bad guy, the guy that
Speaker 1: turned Kentucky into the NCAA, which he did not. That's
Speaker 1: why he wrote his tell all book, which a lot
Speaker 1: of people still disapprove of and still don't like him
Speaker 1: for doing it. I don't blame him though ordinarily I
Speaker 1: don't like that, but he thought his career was over,
Speaker 1: and really, in fact it was at that point because
Speaker 1: he was being blacklisted, and he finally broke through and
Speaker 1: got back into college coaching. And as I've said before,
Speaker 1: he was the quarterbacks coach for Jared Goff at Cal
Speaker 1: coach the number one draft pick and a guy's doing
Speaker 1: pretty well now with the Lions. And he was the
Speaker 1: guy who coached or rather quarterback the Rams to his
Speaker 1: Super Bowl early in his career. So anyhow, Tony now
Speaker 1: has his own consulting business, it's coach tf dot com,
Speaker 1: but he also posts on Twitter basic messages kind of
Speaker 1: coaching the coaches, and his latest post or one of
Speaker 1: his latest on Twitter was sick steps to how to
Speaker 1: deal with your team during I guess the midway point
Speaker 1: of the season, and he said, do this fix what's
Speaker 1: broken with details and fundamentals. Don't panic, You're not as
Speaker 1: bad as you look. Don't celebrate. You're not as good
Speaker 1: as you look. Coaching really matters now in all caps
Speaker 1: and in parentheses. Adjust number five one on one meetings
Speaker 1: with players and coaches. Number six, get healthy, and you
Speaker 1: think about any college football team in America, any high
Speaker 1: school team. This is great advice. But apply this to
Speaker 1: Kentucky clearly they need to fix what's broken with details.
Speaker 1: How about you know, playing cleaner and fundamentals, that's all
Speaker 1: hand in hand. Don't panic. So many fans have nothing
Speaker 1: to celebrate right now. But everybody's celebrated after the old
Speaker 1: miss win, big win. But you're never as good as
Speaker 1: you look. Coaching really matters now, of course it does,
Speaker 1: absolutely it does for not just the Wildcats, but everybody.
Speaker 1: One on one meetings with players and coaches and get healthy.
Speaker 1: Now about that one on one meeting thing. Mark Stoops
Speaker 1: has been doing that with leaders and Eli Cox, the
Speaker 1: veteran center. Now offensive linemen. Talk about that with the media,
Speaker 1: and how the Wildcats are going to try to go
Speaker 1: about fixing what's wrong right now.
Speaker 2: Just talk about emotional control amongst the chaos. You know,
Speaker 2: Saturday is a chaotic environment. Everyone's fans have been fantastic. Course,
Speaker 2: for the home games. I mean, can't thank them enough
Speaker 2: for the environment they've created here, and we need to
Speaker 2: feed off that, but also not let it take us
Speaker 2: past the whistle where it creates those penalties that are
Speaker 2: shooting ourselves in the foot on both sides of the
Speaker 2: ball and not letting us finish drives on offense. So
Speaker 2: that's kind of the message to the guys in lockers
Speaker 2: to feed off that environment, to let those emotions be there,
Speaker 2: but in a healthy way, and not let it escalate
Speaker 2: pass the whistle to the s of mistakes that you
Speaker 2: saw on Saturday.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever heard that term used
Speaker 1: emotional control, but that's as good as anything and it's
Speaker 1: right to the point, isn't it. And according to Cox,
Speaker 1: it's not something that you think about pregame. It starts
Speaker 1: like everything in practice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's something you start with those habits
Speaker 2: of practice being blocked into the plays because every football
Speaker 2: snap is absolute chaos. I mean, there's bullets flying in
Speaker 2: every which direction, and I think just a certain level
Speaker 2: of maturity is required for our guys that are in
Speaker 2: the game and understanding that you do need to play
Speaker 2: with a healthy emotion in between the snaps, because if
Speaker 2: you came out flat, you'd have the exact same result,
Speaker 2: maybe even worse. Because I don't think this team's ever
Speaker 2: come out flat this season. I think we come out
Speaker 2: with the right intentions with the juice, but again it's
Speaker 2: tricking past the whistle and it's just stupid mistakes that
Speaker 2: we just can't keep having.
Speaker 1: After a loss like that, everybody wants to point fingers,
Speaker 1: especially at the coach, and again, more than more than that,
Speaker 1: I look at the players who make the mistakes. If
Speaker 1: I think the team has played hard and has a
Speaker 1: good game plan, which I thought both of those facets
Speaker 1: were true in the Vandy game. You know, coaches are responsible, yes,
Speaker 1: but as far as the players go, they are not
Speaker 1: without responsibility. And Cox said that begins right there in
Speaker 1: the locker room.
Speaker 2: I think this team is a mature one and I
Speaker 2: think we understand that. The way this team felt in
Speaker 2: the locker room after this game, I think was indicative
Speaker 2: of the way we need to correct things. And I
Speaker 2: don't think we really need to bark and talk at
Speaker 2: each other more about it. Sometimes it's not really the
Speaker 2: way to go. I think this team understands where it
Speaker 2: fell short. Or disappointed the fans, disappointed ourselves, and what
Speaker 2: we need to do to correct and move forward.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that all plays out down in
Speaker 1: the Swamp. And again, it's a place where Kentucky knows
Speaker 1: what it's like to win, knows what it's like to
Speaker 1: have a win taken away, knows what it's like to
Speaker 1: get blown out down there. But I do think the
Speaker 1: Wildcats will play well. But I think Florida is going
Speaker 1: to play about as hard as it can after that
Speaker 1: overtime loss in Knoxville, the Tennessee game it should have won.
Speaker 1: Shifting to basketball very quickly because media days have wrapped
Speaker 1: up down in Birmingham, the media have said the Wildcats
Speaker 1: the men's team, let's see preseason number twenty three of
Speaker 1: the women number twenty two. Jackson Robinson, a third team
Speaker 1: preseason All Conference pick, and Mark Polk talked to the
Speaker 1: media wearing the equivalent of a letter jacket letterman's jacket.
Speaker 1: I don't recall ever seeing that at media day, but
Speaker 1: he was asked by Ben Roberts of The Hero Leader
Speaker 1: about where are you right now? Basically in terms of
Speaker 1: what are you looking for and what do you have?
Speaker 3: We're blessed to have a really veteran group that's got
Speaker 3: a ton of experience, that's got no experience with each other.
Speaker 3: And so it's been since the very very first day
Speaker 3: that we were together, it's been a major piece of
Speaker 3: focus for our guys that understand us and understand each
Speaker 3: other and try and fit together and communicate with each other.
Speaker 3: And so that's been the biggest part for us. We
Speaker 3: have guys that bring in exactly the skill sets that
Speaker 3: we're looking for in this first year, and it's just
Speaker 3: a matter of us growing together, and that's something that
Speaker 3: we've done extraordinary well. I think over the course of
Speaker 3: the summer, I've been really proud of our guys and
Speaker 3: into the fall and into Banner Camp, and then the
Speaker 3: next step for us is to actually get on a
Speaker 3: court and play against somebody else and start coming together
Speaker 3: that way too. And so I think we're well on
Speaker 3: our way in the process and we're excited for the
Speaker 3: next steps.
Speaker 1: Like every college team, they're tired of looking at each other.
Speaker 1: But I got to think it's so unusual the way
Speaker 1: they put this roster together that the curiosity level has
Speaker 1: got to be off the charts. What can we do?
Speaker 1: How can we make this thing work with all these
Speaker 1: new teammates And we've read about them, we've heard about them,
Speaker 1: we've seen them in practice. What can we do in
Speaker 1: a real game? And that's coming up quickly. And I
Speaker 1: think Kentucky, believe it or not, is in a position
Speaker 1: to sneak up on people this year just a little bit,
Speaker 1: not for long. That'll take hold very quickly. College football
Speaker 1: TV ratings are soaring. That's coming up next in six
Speaker 1: thirty WLAP Welcome back to the Big Moon Sider coming
Speaker 1: up Van Hiles, we'll talk Kentucky football. Van of course
Speaker 1: makes the media rounds every week. I try not to
Speaker 1: call on him too much, you know, because I don't
Speaker 1: want to wear at our welcome But we just needed
Speaker 1: to talk to him about what happened with that Kentucky
Speaker 1: Vandy game. So that's coming up in just a few minutes.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of TV news when it comes to
Speaker 1: sports and especially college sports this week, including the story
Speaker 1: about the fact that the SEC and the Big Ten
Speaker 1: are talking about trying to work up more money. Of course,
Speaker 1: scheduling we're talking football now. As many as twelve to
Speaker 1: sixteen regular season non conference games every year, SEC and
Speaker 1: big ten are. They are the heavy hitters, the big players.
Speaker 1: And of course this of course prompts me even more
Speaker 1: talk about a super conference. But here we see in
Speaker 1: football now it could be like the ACC SEC Challenge.
Speaker 1: This year they're playing three non conference games. You got USC, LSU, Alabama, Wisconsin, Texas, Michigan.
Speaker 1: All three games finished among the top ten most watched
Speaker 1: during the first month of the season when most of
Speaker 1: those games are played, and that is a sign of
Speaker 1: potential financial strength of an arrangement. You know, presidents, ads, chancellors,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, on the constant looking
Speaker 1: now for ways to make more money. They have to
Speaker 1: because revenue streams are kind of drying up. Really, I mean,
Speaker 1: it can only get so much from the contracts they
Speaker 1: signed with individual networks. So if they can cross pollinate
Speaker 1: and make more money that way and command more money,
Speaker 1: well that's the way to do it. And whether you
Speaker 1: like it or not, I mean, when you look at
Speaker 1: ESPN's college football this past weekend, that Oregon Ohio State
Speaker 1: game was the top rated game, but the SEC commanded
Speaker 1: the numbers in games numbers two and three. Texas OU
Speaker 1: Now an SEC game drew nearly eight million viewers seven
Speaker 1: point nine. That was second. Okay, South Carolina Alabama, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, that game was the third most watched
Speaker 1: game at six point four. And that's a far cry
Speaker 1: from what Oregon Ohio State drew, which was ten point
Speaker 1: two million viewers on average. But still, when you're number
Speaker 1: two and three when it comes to overall viewing as
Speaker 1: a conference, not too bad. Ole Miss LSU four point
Speaker 1: two million viewers in the primetime window on ABC, directly
Speaker 1: head to head with Ohio State. Oregon. Florida Tennessee chipped
Speaker 1: in with three point two million viewers at seven pm
Speaker 1: over on ESPN. So the eyeballs are coming for these
Speaker 1: TV networks, and anything the SEC and the Big ten
Speaker 1: can do to pull in even more viewers and command
Speaker 1: more dollars, it's going to happen, whether you like it
Speaker 1: or not. College Game Day. This was the Oregon Ohio
Speaker 1: State situation. They're out in Eugene, Oregon, and what a
Speaker 1: crowd at six o'clock in the morning, and they go
Speaker 1: on here at nine am. Well there's three hours behind,
Speaker 1: as you know, but the nation tuned in to the
Speaker 1: three hour show to the tune of an average of
Speaker 1: two point three million viewers. That peaked at three point
Speaker 1: one mil and according to ESPN, that was up eight
Speaker 1: percent over last seasons Week number seven show, and overall
Speaker 1: they say they're on pace for their best season ever.
Speaker 1: So the viewers are tuning in the super conferences. They're winning,
Speaker 1: but it might bring up some situations that traditional fans
Speaker 1: just don't care for. But as you well know by now,
Speaker 1: how you feel about it, John Q, public doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Good news for the WNBA in terms of ratings, the
Speaker 1: Finals scoring the biggest audience since twenty one on Sunday,
Speaker 1: that was Game two of the Finals. Kaitlin Clark's not playing.
Speaker 1: ABC says it averaged one point three to five million viewers,
Speaker 1: and again, no Caitlin Clark. This is Minnesota versus New York.
Speaker 1: But that is up ninety three percent versus the average
Speaker 1: of last year's WNBA Finals. So we kept saying all
Speaker 1: these players who were chafing and balking about Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: were incredibly shortsighted. And again it's the cliche, but the
Speaker 1: rising tide rising, you know, raising all boats. You're an
Speaker 1: independent contractor, you're a businesswoman, make a smart decision and
Speaker 1: support not just Caitlin Clark, but the new you know,
Speaker 1: influx of talent, angel recent people like that. But when
Speaker 1: you're looking at numbers like this for the final round
Speaker 1: without Kaitlin Clark, you know that that was people who
Speaker 1: are exposed to the WNBA like what they saw, came
Speaker 1: back for more. And this was not a huge market
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, New York. Yes, but you don't know how
Speaker 1: much of that is attributable to these numbers in a WNBA.
Speaker 1: But one point three to five million, up ninety three
Speaker 1: percent versus last year, largest of any finals game since
Speaker 1: twenty oh one. It's pretty incredible, and I think it's
Speaker 1: just going to get bigger. While we're talking media, of course,
Speaker 1: Yankees Dodgers is what Major League Baseball wants. They won't
Speaker 1: admit to that, but there is a promotional spot out there,
Speaker 1: commercial if you will, for playoff coverage, and it features
Speaker 1: Sho Hao Tani and Aaron Judge. How do you feel
Speaker 1: about that if you're a Guardians or Mets fan. I
Speaker 1: saw that come on the other night and I thought,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, did I miss something? Are we already
Speaker 1: looking at a bicoastal series. No, Guardians still alive, Mets
Speaker 1: still alive, but their promo basically their commercial about themselves
Speaker 1: MLB MLB dot Com Aaron Judge and I mean singing
Speaker 1: their praises in Shohiotani. How do you feel if you're
Speaker 1: a fan of those other teams? Oh, by the way,
Speaker 1: Cleveland still in it, Mets are still in it. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be comfortable, but Major League Baseball could not care less.
Speaker 1: Yankees are rolling, it looks like. But John Sterling, playboy
Speaker 1: play man for Wfan, not happy with the play that
Speaker 1: came kind of early in the game. But Anthony Rizzo
Speaker 1: had a huge lead from second, started to take off
Speaker 1: on a pitch in the dirt. Actually this was in
Speaker 1: the sixth inning. They were up four to two and
Speaker 1: got picked off. And I guess that's been a problem.
Speaker 1: Eron Gerstein could tell us he's a Yankees fan, but
Speaker 1: evidently that's been a problem all year long. And John Sterling,
Speaker 1: the play by play guy, went after the Yankees when
Speaker 1: Rizzo was picked off.
Speaker 4: The two.
Speaker 5: A bouncer and Rizzo is going to be picked off.
Speaker 5: He's in the middle between second and third. Hedges now
Speaker 5: throws to second on the way to third, back to second,
Speaker 5: back to third. Tagged out end of inning. Boy, if
Speaker 5: that wasn't the Yankees, that's that's what they do. Run
Speaker 5: the bases like drunks.
Speaker 6: Well Clayborough will lead.
Speaker 4: Off the next sun.
Speaker 1: That is John Sterling on the Yankees Network. Courtesy of WFN,
Speaker 1: the flagship station that brings us to Jerry Jones and
Speaker 1: his criticism of hosts on a radio show in one
Speaker 1: O five point three the fan in Dallas. When I
Speaker 1: was in Dallas, Krold eleven ten eighty AM had the
Speaker 1: Cowboy rights. But they've bounced around a little bit. Now
Speaker 1: they're on the fan. My buddy, Chuck Cooperstein works for them,
Speaker 1: the voice of the Mavericks. But apparently Jerry Jones went
Speaker 1: off on the hosts of a Cowboys show and he
Speaker 1: threatened their jobs and talked about the fact that he
Speaker 1: was paying them. Well, he's not. The money goes in
Speaker 1: a different direction. The radio station pays the Cowboys for
Speaker 1: the rights. But Jerry Jones didn't like their questions and
Speaker 1: he talked about them as if they didn't know anything.
Speaker 1: And he said, you know, if there were real fans
Speaker 1: or people who knew football, But these guys are covering
Speaker 1: football for years and it's not their job to be
Speaker 1: real fans. But I think the clock's running out on Jerry,
Speaker 1: and I think he's losing his mind. We'll talk about
Speaker 1: that more with Weston Bureau chief Gary Moore a little
Speaker 1: bit later on all Right, Van Hiles up next year
Speaker 1: on six point thirty Wlap join us on a celebrity hotline.
Speaker 1: We ordinarily don't pester Van Hiles as much as we
Speaker 1: have lately because he's on this Sunday morning sports talk
Speaker 1: as his own podcast UH and is own with Tom
Speaker 1: Leach on Monday mornings. But Ben, I think right after
Speaker 1: this game, I texted you, like, boy, do we have
Speaker 1: to talk. I cannot imagine you are our celebrity monologue
Speaker 1: going into this game taking us back. Now, you took
Speaker 1: us back to a shutout in ninety sex. I wasn't
Speaker 1: expecting a shutout, And we'll talk about a defense that
Speaker 1: only gave up twenty but a festival of yellow flags
Speaker 1: and another missed opportunity at home. How are you processing?
Speaker 7: I can't process it, because honestly, it doesn't make sense
Speaker 7: this for me. I thought this team was a different team.
Speaker 7: I thought this team could be consistent in their effort,
Speaker 7: and you cannot do what you did against Georgia and
Speaker 7: Old Miss and then do what you did at home
Speaker 7: against Bandy.
Speaker 4: To me, it makes no sense.
Speaker 7: There is no bevariables in it. You have the same players,
Speaker 7: the same coaches. We are not down like we was
Speaker 7: down will Levis. A couple of years ago, we was
Speaker 7: down from players see rother first four game like this
Speaker 7: is not the case this year. We have everybody at
Speaker 7: our disposal that we played with against Georgia and Old Miss.
Speaker 7: And why do we come out and play the type
Speaker 7: of game that we played Saturday compared to what we
Speaker 7: played the last few weeks. It's unexplainable to me.
Speaker 1: Now you talk about an effort. I thought they played hard,
Speaker 1: but obviously they played sloppy, which, of course the tracks
Speaker 1: from how Hard You Play?
Speaker 7: Right, Yes, there there were some and it's we can say.
Speaker 7: I can say all I want to say about accountability
Speaker 7: and leadership and all the all the cliche things that
Speaker 7: I can say, But when you really look at it,
Speaker 7: why do you have those same issues against other teams?
Speaker 7: Why does it rear its ugly head in this game?
Speaker 7: What was the bearable that that was introduced on Saturday
Speaker 7: to make them play different than they played against the
Speaker 7: other two tough teams.
Speaker 1: Any any theories, any guesses.
Speaker 7: My my guess is that this bye week some guys started,
Speaker 7: as us old people say, started smelling themselves. They started
Speaker 7: feeling getting a little fat, and lady started thinking that
Speaker 7: they have reached a certain level that is not given
Speaker 7: in this conference until the end of the year, and
Speaker 7: this this bye week a lot of get healthy, but
Speaker 7: allow them to get their their ego to get boost
Speaker 7: with the way they played against Ole Miss. That's the
Speaker 7: only thing I've come up with, because what else can
Speaker 7: you come up with? When they played so well against
Speaker 7: Georgian Ole Miss, why would it be different this week?
Speaker 1: And they played well because they played as that invariable
Speaker 1: unit that we talk about with you know, talk about
Speaker 1: focus or whatever, doing your job, staying your gap, all
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. But let me let me run
Speaker 1: a theory at you that I posed on our Stay
Speaker 1: Wide show Monday night because it kind of came to
Speaker 1: me late in the first half, after yet another penalty.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, did they come into this game like thinking,
Speaker 1: all right, we're going to kick these guys, but we
Speaker 1: know they beat Alabama, but hey, we're coming up on Miss.
Speaker 1: They were a little too excited and for to use
Speaker 1: a cliche, kind of got out of their lane, not
Speaker 1: out of their gap, but you know they were just yeah,
Speaker 1: just way too anxious to get this win and move
Speaker 1: on to the next one. Does that make sense?
Speaker 7: No, it makes sense. Is a is a great opinion?
Speaker 7: I don't know's it's like, I would say this, some
Speaker 7: of the things that we have done haven't been called
Speaker 7: in the previous game. This is not the first time
Speaker 7: these receivers have done. Some of the things that they
Speaker 7: have done, it's just it wasn't called, and unfortunately we
Speaker 7: got we got enticed to doing something because honestly, it
Speaker 7: should have been called both sides. I mean, the Vanda
Speaker 7: built guy got up bump bumped them dan Key under
Speaker 7: the chin, and then dank Key reacted. Yeah, so but
Speaker 7: you can't react. We all know the second guy's always caught.
Speaker 7: So why react? Why say, okay, let him get the
Speaker 7: fifteen yard pill, let me get even closer to the
Speaker 7: to the promised land. So those are things that you
Speaker 7: cannot do. They you know what's crazy. Vandy did to
Speaker 7: us what we did to.
Speaker 1: Ole miss Yeah exact.
Speaker 7: They played sound football, balanced, smart, took big plays when
Speaker 7: they had it, didn't do any stupid things with stupid turnovers.
Speaker 4: So they did.
Speaker 7: They had all game plan, but.
Speaker 1: You know what, it was very similar. Kentucky's effort was similar.
Speaker 1: Ball control. I thought, you I we'll get more to this.
Speaker 1: I thought did a decent job against Diego. He still
Speaker 1: heard him with some big plays. But this is a
Speaker 1: team that, as you know, scored forty against Alabama. But
Speaker 1: when you mix in the penalties, you cannot This to
Speaker 1: Kentucky team is not good enough to overcome all that.
Speaker 1: I remember the seven team that was Kentucky's best offensive
Speaker 1: team in modern history. Man, if they took a fifteen
Speaker 1: yard penalty, one flick of the rest with Andre Woodson
Speaker 1: and he's got Keenan Burton for twenty and they overcome it.
Speaker 1: This team can't do.
Speaker 7: That, you know, right, Yeah, And you just can't put
Speaker 7: yourself consistently behind the chain, and that's gonna eat you
Speaker 7: up every time, because like you said, we just don't
Speaker 7: have the explosiveness and we are still playing with a
Speaker 7: new coordinator, new quarterback. That these kind of these growing
Speaker 7: pains are to be expected. I'm gonna say this. The
Speaker 7: defense played good enough to win, but they didn't play
Speaker 7: up to their caliber. And that's something that's very disappointed.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting you say that when they only gave
Speaker 1: up twenty. You know, made some mistakes. I thought the
Speaker 1: defense did put the offense in a position to win, sure,
Speaker 1: but there were times they need you know, they made
Speaker 1: a mistake into the first half, cast him a touchdown.
Speaker 7: A touchdown where go to me was playing for the
Speaker 7: field goal. Yeah, his quarterback scrambled with fifty seventh with
Speaker 7: fifty five seconds or fifty two seconds left. He didn't
Speaker 7: even call time. We had two in his pocket. The
Speaker 7: clock ran down to under twenty second. He had no
Speaker 7: intentions on his team. We scored great, but let's not
Speaker 7: allow them get the football, so we're going to kick
Speaker 7: a field goal. So it could have been ten seven
Speaker 7: and a half for.
Speaker 1: The Fortunes exactly. It's just frustrating to talk about. As
Speaker 1: we chat with Van Heils when weer Kentucky defensive back.
Speaker 1: He is V Styles on V Styles seventeen on Twitter
Speaker 1: and he breaks down Kentucky football on the internet and
Speaker 1: he is Tom Leech's guest. Every Monday morning is the
Speaker 1: Monday Morning quarterback. You played quarterback once upon a time.
Speaker 7: Right, That's all I played until I got to college.
Speaker 7: I was a quarterback my entire career until I stepped
Speaker 7: footing Lexington.
Speaker 1: So will you recruited as a d back or quarterback?
Speaker 7: I was recruited by the bigger programs as a D back.
Speaker 7: I was my senior in high school when people started
Speaker 7: recruiting me. I was five to nine, probably one hundred
Speaker 7: and fifty pounds. So back in those days, in the
Speaker 7: nineteen hundred, quarterbacks six four six five. So if I
Speaker 7: would have came up about seven years later, I probably
Speaker 7: would have played quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because back then they were looking for the next
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. Right.
Speaker 7: Yes, before Payton Umber, there was a guy Drunken Miller
Speaker 7: that played for a votech I played Jim Dash. That
Speaker 7: guy was humongers. And that's what the prototypical guy was.
Speaker 7: The the what's the guy from Houston? The last thing
Speaker 7: with a K? Remember the university clingler? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, c Universe. Yeah.
Speaker 7: David, like all those guys, was sixty three six four,
Speaker 7: couldn't run much. They couldn't they couldn't avoid a rush,
Speaker 7: but they could stand tall, take ahead, stand in the
Speaker 7: pocket to deliver a pass. And then all of a
Speaker 7: sudden it's starting to change about seven years later.
Speaker 1: You know, there's something about tall quarterbacks. I remember Iowa
Speaker 1: had a guy named Chuck Long. Yes, yes, for a while,
Speaker 1: six foot eight. Yep, you know it wasn't wasn't great,
Speaker 1: But boll he looked good, didn't he.
Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, look, no, none of his passes we're gonna
Speaker 7: get batted down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll take a break, come back and talk more
Speaker 1: football with Van in just a minute. Here on a
Speaker 1: Big Blue Sider six thirty wlap. Welcome back. We're talking
Speaker 1: with former Kentucky defensive back Van Hiles. You hear him
Speaker 1: every Monday morning with Tom Leach. Here him on Sunday
Speaker 1: Morning Sports Talk. Uh, he's got his own podcast. He
Speaker 1: breaks down video on the interweb as well. And now
Speaker 1: Kentucky heading for Gainesville. And I know so many Kentucky fans,
Speaker 1: who believe it or not, Van are confident going into
Speaker 1: this one because well, Vandy, I mean Florida rather as
Speaker 1: struggled of late, and Kentucky has played well against the Gators.
Speaker 1: But you know, you got to wonder where's this team
Speaker 1: gonna be mentally? You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: You never know. I will say this at least is
Speaker 7: a road game. Yeah, and I'm gonna tell you something,
Speaker 7: Lauder wins that game against Tennessee if Merch doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 7: So they are confident and playing good ball. I know
Speaker 7: they're down there starting quarterback, but they have enough talent
Speaker 7: on that team to beat us if we don't play
Speaker 7: our best game. If we don't, if we if we
Speaker 7: played like we played against Bandy decided we would lose
Speaker 7: that game too.
Speaker 1: Well, that's factoring in penalties. What if they play that
Speaker 1: way minus the penalties, Well.
Speaker 7: That that was the The game was built on penalties
Speaker 7: and turnovers.
Speaker 4: That was that was it. If if we.
Speaker 7: Don't turn the ball over and we don't have those penalties,
Speaker 7: we we left nine points minimum off the board because
Speaker 7: of penalty we lost and then the the second and one,
Speaker 7: which is a penalty, But then we lost points on
Speaker 7: the field goal like that. That turn that was not
Speaker 7: like uh six points wings or something like that. That
Speaker 7: was like a play points wing maybe fourteen. Because we.
Speaker 4: Don't get a touchdown, then we don't get the field goal.
Speaker 7: Like we got nothing out of that. And the offense
Speaker 7: was doing I'm gonna say this, the offense played well
Speaker 7: enough to win. Also, it wasn't like they didn't move
Speaker 7: into red zone, they just didn't capitalize.
Speaker 1: So any theory on why this team is just having
Speaker 1: such a difficult time winning.
Speaker 7: At home, I'm as a leadership Neil, and I'm just
Speaker 7: starting to realize this since I coached high school and
Speaker 7: it does the same thing on college. When when we're
Speaker 7: at home at a high school game, you have time
Speaker 7: after class, you can You've got two hours to just
Speaker 7: chill in the locker room, shoot the bs and they
Speaker 7: have fun and all their giggles and all that stuff,
Speaker 7: So you have time get distracted. When you play on
Speaker 7: a road. For us in high school, you got to
Speaker 7: take that bus ride and sometime that bus rode can
Speaker 7: be in an hour that gets you in the right
Speaker 7: frame of mind. And the same thing in college. You
Speaker 7: get on that plane ride, you escape your normalcy and
Speaker 7: you are just you and the guys. When you're at home,
Speaker 7: it's you, your parents, your girlfriend, your best buddy, you're
Speaker 7: your classmates. It's a lot of things that distract you.
Speaker 7: You got to get tickets. Oh man, I got somebody
Speaker 7: coming in. I need two more tickets. Who are a team?
Speaker 4: Give me?
Speaker 7: Like those kind of things can be a distraction. And
Speaker 7: when you're on a row is you and your players
Speaker 7: and things are regimented. You got busts off the plane
Speaker 7: and you got a meeting, you got this, you got that.
Speaker 7: Everything is on the schedule, and I think it helps
Speaker 7: you focus and that might be the difference for this team.
Speaker 7: So if that is the difference, we got to find
Speaker 7: a way to do that at home.
Speaker 1: You remember what it's like down in Florida. I can't work.
Speaker 1: I believe if you were still playing when the students
Speaker 1: could be directly behind me, Oh yes, and that's what
Speaker 1: the because I remember it had to be yeah, because
Speaker 1: you were you preceded Tim Couch is when they were
Speaker 1: throwing oranges in ice and the Tim Couch team. That's
Speaker 1: prompted the move of students across the conference from behind
Speaker 1: a bench to just just down the way outside the
Speaker 1: coaching box. But when you were wow, man, they were
Speaker 1: right they were right behind you, weren't they right up?
Speaker 7: I don't think people understand how small the Florida sideline is.
Speaker 4: There's no room over there. There is zero.
Speaker 7: So when I so if you could think of usually
Speaker 7: there's a bench and you have some room, there's no
Speaker 7: room it's a bench and basically the guys on the
Speaker 7: sideline standing right up on you, and the fans are
Speaker 7: right on your back. And I can't believe, and this
Speaker 7: is before the internet, how much research those kids did
Speaker 7: to learn about you. It's like they knew stuff. I'm like,
Speaker 7: I don't be don't figure that out, Like it was crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 7: so that's nice to hear that.
Speaker 1: Somehow they would get hold of a media guide.
Speaker 7: Ah, that's not the.
Speaker 1: Only way they could have done it, but you know
Speaker 1: that wasn't easy. Right to the bookstore and maybe chipped
Speaker 1: in their money. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 7: I don't know how they were.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that takes because.
Speaker 7: It's not just I guess, I guess word, I'm off
Speaker 7: and they just filled up there everybody. Everybody starts memorizing
Speaker 7: all kinds of stuff. I'm like, yeah, that's wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know, people have yelled at me in
Speaker 1: the years that I've been on the side. One guy
Speaker 1: down in Baton Rouge in my home state, no afterwards
Speaker 1: to me, I'm going to kill you more than once
Speaker 1: pointed at me. And then late in the game I
Speaker 1: turned around said, do I need to be worried about
Speaker 1: this guy. Uh. But then when the next time I
Speaker 1: turned around Van, he was by the police. Oh wow, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he had gotten into the people around him.
Speaker 4: It's nuts. Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this this Kentucky team bands together and now
Speaker 1: they're gonna play with one QB. For the most part,
Speaker 1: Mertz is injured. A guy who at at one point
Speaker 1: wanted to come to Kentucky, but his career is over.
Speaker 1: And now I gotta thinks as a defensive guy, do
Speaker 1: you foresee a lot of uh changes by by Brad?
Speaker 1: Why do you see hidden coverages things like that to
Speaker 1: try to blitz his to try to confuse a young guy.
Speaker 7: I mean, the advantage is is we play a mobile
Speaker 7: quarterback this week? Black way is there's a mobile young quarterback. Now,
Speaker 7: can you confuse them? I'm sure for me, we can't
Speaker 7: do what we did against Vandy. We have to stop
Speaker 7: the run. We cannot allow Bandy being second to five consistent.
Speaker 7: I mean, we can let Florida be in second to
Speaker 7: five like we allow Vanna to be consistent. If we
Speaker 7: can't force him to throw the ball but keep him
Speaker 7: in the pocket, it can be a good game for us.
Speaker 7: But we cannot let in the quarterback, the running back, Johnston,
Speaker 7: that's the name. We can't allow him to get in
Speaker 7: a rhythm. If he gets in a rhythm, it can
Speaker 7: be a long night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so many times Vandy really pushing the pie. I
Speaker 1: thought the Vandy O line was really impressive, starting with
Speaker 1: their center who went three sixty one and Dion Walker
Speaker 1: had his hands full. But man, every time it seemed like, uh,
Speaker 1: they're they're going second and five or shorter.
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, it was I haven't seen and maybe I
Speaker 7: underestimated the ability of their O line and their O
Speaker 7: line coach because I didn't see that coming. Yeah, And
Speaker 7: it wasn't like a flute this about it.
Speaker 4: It was consistent.
Speaker 7: There were sometimes they double be on, sometimes they didn't
Speaker 7: double be on, and they still got to push. And
Speaker 7: that's something you cannot have in a three four defense.
Speaker 7: You cannot create another line of scrimmage that knows. And
Speaker 7: those four eyes got a whole anchor and we did
Speaker 7: not hold anchor like we get a bit against Georgia
Speaker 7: and Old Mith, whom I believe have better run games.
Speaker 7: So what happened?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, there are so many questions, so few answers.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, you.
Speaker 7: Know, I'm still trying to figure out. I'm I've watched
Speaker 7: this game more than I normally watch a game because
Speaker 7: I'm trying to get a tendency and trying to get
Speaker 7: a beat on what happened. And to me, it's just guys,
Speaker 7: I don't know, effort, intensely focused, pat levels too high,
Speaker 7: like that was not our defensive line. And I know
Speaker 7: that stewards on there you know what this week because
Speaker 7: that is not how they've played any game this year
Speaker 7: from one.
Speaker 4: To Week five. That's this has come to talk.
Speaker 7: To a lot of games. They have not played like
Speaker 7: that anytime this year, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 7: they played like that last week. It's confusing reading.
Speaker 1: Their own clippings. All right, I have one question you
Speaker 1: can answer about being a grill master in Louisiana. Have
Speaker 1: you ever prepared Gator?
Speaker 4: I personally have it?
Speaker 1: Do you like that? I'm sure you've had it.
Speaker 7: I've had it. It's not it's like this for me.
Speaker 7: It's not like even a favorites, like I have so
Speaker 7: many other things that I can prepare before Gator, Like
Speaker 7: that's like so far down the list. Or someone would
Speaker 7: have to say, man, can you cook some gator for me,
Speaker 7: and I don't have anybody in my family who would
Speaker 7: ask me.
Speaker 1: To prepare that when I when I've eaten it, it's
Speaker 1: been served as an appetizer at this is fine, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's more than anything. It's fun to say you've
Speaker 1: eaten gator. It's not you know, it's not bad. It's
Speaker 1: not great.
Speaker 7: You know, it's not that special.
Speaker 1: No, not really.
Speaker 7: But it's like frog legs, Yeah, you like them. No,
Speaker 7: it's like it's nothing special.
Speaker 1: Oh, Okay, I think there's a little something. I think
Speaker 1: there's more to frog legs than gator.
Speaker 4: I would say, yes, I will agree with that. I
Speaker 4: will agree with that.
Speaker 1: Tell you what. Last week or week aldgo Friday. We
Speaker 1: stayed in Tupelo where the team stays. Okay, and there's
Speaker 1: a restaurant there that specializes some of his dishes and
Speaker 1: wild game. I've had quail there was very good. One
Speaker 1: of the it seemed like there weren't as many, but
Speaker 1: one of the appetizers we got were duck poppers. Man,
Speaker 1: were they good?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 1: Now, when you order duck, you know you don't get
Speaker 1: a whole out of meat.
Speaker 7: Nope, you do not, Buddy.
Speaker 1: If you ever go, it's called Woodies and I highly
Speaker 1: recommend it.
Speaker 4: Huh.
Speaker 7: Okay, so there venison, then there's venison. Then I've been
Speaker 7: a two blow many times.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so so check that out. I'm sure. I'm
Speaker 1: sure it varies, you know, from what they can get
Speaker 1: from whatever hunters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. That's a good point.
Speaker 1: But then and for dessert, men, we had the bananas
Speaker 1: Foster fantastic, big, big flames fantastic.
Speaker 4: Wow wow. Yeah that sounds good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, if you sound good every week, we appreciate you
Speaker 1: being with us and hope the news is better next time.
Speaker 7: I'm open so too doing the boss over, so you
Speaker 7: can't blame me, that's true, all right.
Speaker 1: Well you can. You can listen to Van and as
Speaker 1: I said, Monday Morning Sports, Monday Morning Quarterback with Tom
Speaker 1: Leach and you can hear him as well on driving
Speaker 1: with Styles in the locker for one one, as well
Speaker 1: as Sunday Morning Sports Talk. Have a great weekend, my man.
Speaker 1: You up next hour number two Shawn Woods, the Unforgettable Guard.
Speaker 1: He'll talk about madness and we'll talk about football coaching
Speaker 1: and of course our Western Burea chief Gary Moore here
Speaker 1: on the Big Blue Sider six thirty name, joining us
Speaker 1: down in our celebrity highline as he does each and
Speaker 1: every Wednesday, is the unforgettable guard Sean Woods, his jersey
Speaker 1: hangs and the rafters of Rupp and Coach. Before we
Speaker 1: talk about basketball or football, I need to ask you
Speaker 1: though about madness. You were there on hand, a lot
Speaker 1: of former players were, but also your former coach, and
Speaker 1: as I understand it, did you even know he was
Speaker 1: going to be there?
Speaker 4: I did not up until probably the night before because
Speaker 4: a couple of guys came in town and told me
Speaker 4: that that he was going to be in town, and
Speaker 4: you know, he was coming to the football games. I
Speaker 4: had no idea he was going to do the badness field.
Speaker 1: How'd you feel about that?
Speaker 4: Well, everything's starting to become more refreshing now and getting
Speaker 4: back to what we call Kentucky basketball normality of you
Speaker 4: know what this program has been built on, and that's
Speaker 4: you know, involving everyone. But to see my former coach there,
Speaker 4: who actually started what we call modern day Kentucky basketball.
Speaker 4: Let you know, you know, even though he left to
Speaker 4: go to the Boston Celtics, we know where his heart
Speaker 4: really stands, and it's here. Even though he's coached at
Speaker 4: Louisville and in some other places. This is the one
Speaker 4: place that holds true to his heart.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: He did everything a crowd that night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he really did. Uh. And you mentioned him leaving
Speaker 1: and people, of course are still upset that he took
Speaker 1: the Louisville job, and he said he regrets leaving Kentucky.
Speaker 1: But when you look back on him, man, I mean
Speaker 1: the money that the Celtics gave him and the odds
Speaker 1: that he would get Tim Duncan, you can't really blame
Speaker 1: him in hindsight, can you.
Speaker 4: No, you can't, you know. And in this profession, you're
Speaker 4: trying to move up and you're trying to you know,
Speaker 4: do some things and make history. And the coach was coach.
Speaker 4: That's that's who he is.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: He's always you know, searching for the next challenge and
Speaker 4: you know, resurrecting programs and teams. And unfortunately that boss
Speaker 4: himself did when he didn't get Tim Duncan, you know,
Speaker 4: and he was telling the truth. You know, Larry Berry's
Speaker 4: not walking through that door, Kevin Mchel walking through that door.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want a national championship with some of these guys,
Speaker 4: but playing at this level is totally different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was also his own worst enemy. I
Speaker 1: thought he was a really good coach and a poor
Speaker 1: general manager because he was so impulsive and gave up
Speaker 1: on Chauncey Billups, who winds up in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: So uh, you know there he probably had a little
Speaker 1: too much on his plate. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: feel qualified to say that, but but I thought I
Speaker 1: felt like the Celtics always played hard for him. He
Speaker 1: just didn't have enough personnel. You know.
Speaker 4: You know, it's like anything else. You know, you can
Speaker 4: have all the eggs and those that you don't have
Speaker 4: those Jim and Joe's right, you know, it's it's it's
Speaker 4: hard and you know, like anything else, if you don't
Speaker 4: have players, it's gonna be hard. And he realized that,
Speaker 4: and you know, he went to the next spot. And
Speaker 4: the next spot was actually our nemesis, which was the
Speaker 4: Louis Cardinals.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well you you were part of Madness as
Speaker 1: a player, and now they bring you back. Before I
Speaker 1: ask you about coming back this year, did you enjoy
Speaker 1: that as a player Madness?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, that was that was a huge start kickoff,
Speaker 4: you know for every player. You know what I mean,
Speaker 4: that's that's huge. Even as a recruit, you know, you
Speaker 4: want to come in and experience that it's like no
Speaker 4: other basketball program. First day in America?
Speaker 1: Were you part of madness as a recruit? Did you
Speaker 1: pay a visit during a madness?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 4: I did not.
Speaker 1: Had you already decided?
Speaker 4: I committed in October and signed November eleventh. I'll never
Speaker 4: forget it.
Speaker 1: Really, what do you remember about that?
Speaker 4: Just it was October eleventh, the first signing date back
Speaker 4: then in nineteen eighty seven, even though I graduated in
Speaker 4: high school in eighty eight. There was the Fall of
Speaker 4: eighty the fall of eighty seven, and we were the
Speaker 4: number one recruiting class in America. And I just knew that,
Speaker 4: you know, this could be a special place for me.
Speaker 4: I've you know, grown up coming down and visioned my parents,
Speaker 4: I mean, my family, my grandmother things, and I had
Speaker 4: a special place for this special place in my heart
Speaker 4: for this place. And you know, even though I'm from
Speaker 4: Indiana and you got the Indiana who's usual got to
Speaker 4: produce all the makers, you got another dang fighting Irish.
Speaker 4: But it was just something about the mostique of Kentucky
Speaker 4: basketball that got this old Indiana guy to come back
Speaker 4: home to where his mom was going.
Speaker 1: To raise at What was life like you as a
Speaker 1: kid growing up in Indiana and a well known basketball player,
Speaker 1: yet you signed with Kentucky. What was life like for
Speaker 1: you after that?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, back then, you know, we didn't have
Speaker 4: an answer machine. Now we had to order My mom
Speaker 4: had to buy an answer machine because when I signed
Speaker 4: and committed to Kentucky, we would get prank calls all
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and my.
Speaker 4: Mom and my dad, you know, because they worked in
Speaker 4: the state of Indiana. You know, they were getting a
Speaker 4: little greef, you know, that crazy grief, but you know
Speaker 4: they were getting some some stuff, some some some Smaraki stuff.
Speaker 4: And also, you know, my high school coach, my senior year,
Speaker 4: we got a new coach. He played for Bob Knight
Speaker 4: at West Point. So it kind of brought it put
Speaker 4: a little you know, a little dapper in our relationship
Speaker 4: starting off. You know, I never would take an official
Speaker 4: visit to Indiana, such an unofficial and I remember he
Speaker 4: drove me up there and uh after we were coming
Speaker 4: back and we left and we're coming back. You know,
Speaker 4: he said, what do you think. I said, I'm not
Speaker 4: playing for that guy, I'm gonna play I Kentucky.
Speaker 1: You read in my mind that was my next question?
Speaker 1: Did you ever consider playing for Bob Knight? But that
Speaker 1: also brings up another good question. I've never asked you this.
Speaker 1: If not Kentucky, where might you have gone?
Speaker 4: Purdue Iowa, Georgia, UNLV.
Speaker 1: Wow, Vegas was Vegas back then, wasn't it?
Speaker 4: Well? Vegas almost has Sean Tim, Chris Mills and myself
Speaker 4: at that particular time, US three were going to school together.
Speaker 4: We had played on the same AA team sewn and
Speaker 4: I played on the same eight team since eighth grade.
Speaker 4: And then we got picked up were they were our
Speaker 4: nemesis LS California and Nike ARC team and we ended up,
Speaker 4: you know, playing on the same team and becoming great
Speaker 4: friends and getting recruited by the same schools. And US
Speaker 4: three decided we were going to go to school together
Speaker 4: and it was gonna be one of those And Chris
Speaker 4: really really liked Indiana really to be honest, Yeah, nobody knew.
Speaker 4: If Chris hadn't gone to Kentucky, Indiana was probably his
Speaker 4: second choice.
Speaker 1: He would have played for Bob Knight, He would.
Speaker 4: Have played for He was really considering playing for kidding.
Speaker 1: He was okay with that style of coaching.
Speaker 4: You know, his dad was tough. You know, it wasn't
Speaker 4: the coaching that scared me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We've been growing up back then. We were getting coached
Speaker 4: Tarbory our high school coaches, then towards and things, so
Speaker 4: that that didn't bother us. The thing with me was
Speaker 4: I didn't like bob nic style of play, and too,
Speaker 4: he had just signed the year before Jay Edwards and
Speaker 4: Lynnon Jones, who won three state championships and were cole
Speaker 4: mister Basketball the year before me, and I wanted to
Speaker 4: go somewhere where I can start and play right away.
Speaker 4: And I didn't you know, that was my idea. My
Speaker 4: mom did not want me to consider about night. But
Speaker 4: you know I didn't mind the hard coaching. I come
Speaker 4: from Gary, Indiana. I mean we were chess tis and
Speaker 4: and things like that. I did. As long as you're
Speaker 4: playing me, I don't care because I'm gonna make it work.
Speaker 4: But if I'm sitting on that bench and you chestised
Speaker 4: me every day, and then that's a problem.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you. Sean Camp from elk Cart, Indiana,
Speaker 1: Eddie Sutton once told us that he was the best
Speaker 1: high school player he has ever seen. If it had
Speaker 1: worked out for Sean camp here, what do you think
Speaker 1: might have happened, Sean? Because that guy would have never left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we would have had an opportunity to win
Speaker 4: several national championships.
Speaker 1: He was that good, wasn't he?
Speaker 7: He was that good?
Speaker 4: And we were that good as a team. You know nothing,
Speaker 4: Say you know the personnel stays. Okay, say Rex doesn't leave.
Speaker 4: Say Eric Manna doesn't have to leave, Saint Chris Mills
Speaker 4: doesn't have to leave.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Just those three guys right there include Sean Kemp. Now
Speaker 4: you u nlf think they had something. No, they were
Speaker 4: not better than that. Said that particular time, if everybody
Speaker 4: would have stayed.
Speaker 1: A staggering when you think about it, and here, you
Speaker 1: would have been feeding all those guys in basketball, your
Speaker 1: assisted numbers would.
Speaker 4: Have been nuts off the charts. You gotta remember, now,
Speaker 4: eighty percent, just think of these numbers. Now, eighty percent
Speaker 4: of my of of of my passes for shots were threes. Right, Okay,
Speaker 4: I didn't have a post player. Okay, Now, out of
Speaker 4: those threes, as a team, we're shooting thirty five percent
Speaker 4: from the three. So what was my chances? And I
Speaker 4: still let the sec and assists? How hard was that?
Speaker 4: You know? I averaged about five six a game? How
Speaker 4: how much? Just think if I'd have had just that
Speaker 4: wow chance of me getting an assists, Wow.
Speaker 1: Would have thrown and getting down the floor.
Speaker 4: Man, Bullie you think derk Minnifeld is saying Bullie or
Speaker 4: Roger Hartman, Kenny Walker work great? Halley you, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: Me and shaw Camp that's what made us. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. They caught us mustard to ketch up
Speaker 4: on a hot dog because it was so much fun
Speaker 4: playing for me. I throw a pass over my head
Speaker 4: and he go get it just because I know he could.
Speaker 1: I'm having fun just thinking about that. Man. It was
Speaker 1: a long time ago, but that would have been something else.
Speaker 1: Sean Woods, the Unforgettable Guard, is my guest. We'll come
Speaker 1: back and talk more hoops with Sean and a little
Speaker 1: football on the other side of the breaking around six
Speaker 1: thirty wlap Welcome back. We're visiting with Sean Woods, as
Speaker 1: we do each and every week, The Unforgettable Guard, and
Speaker 1: we've talked some football on this show, and you played
Speaker 1: a little football. But let me ask you about coaching
Speaker 1: because now the debate after that Vandy mishap with Kentucky
Speaker 1: football last week, and so many people are trying to
Speaker 1: decide how much of it is coaching, how much of
Speaker 1: it is the players. I lean more towards the players.
Speaker 1: You talk about the Jimmy's and Joe's, the ones out
Speaker 1: there making the silly mistakes causing the flags. Now, ultimately
Speaker 1: the coach is responsible, but it's the same team. It
Speaker 1: was brilliant two weeks prior against Ole Miss. And I
Speaker 1: know this is what drives you coaches nuts, But how
Speaker 1: do you break that down? Sean any you know, and
Speaker 1: I know it's a different sport, But coaching is.
Speaker 4: Coaching, right, Coaching is coaching. But the difference between coaching
Speaker 4: and playing, as I know, is you can drill and
Speaker 4: mentor and put you know, repetition, repetition, repetition, but you
Speaker 4: can't go out there and play for and every coach,
Speaker 4: especially at that level, is always prepared. It's not like
Speaker 4: they were not prepared. I think they looked like they
Speaker 4: took Vandy for granted, just because of the success they
Speaker 4: had the last two weeks prior. I didn't see the
Speaker 4: same type of pop. I don't see the same type
Speaker 4: of enthusiasm when they came out. I don't see the
Speaker 4: same type of energy on that sideline. And then all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know you're playing against Vandy and
Speaker 4: Venny's pretty good. You gotta remember now they just beat Alabama.
Speaker 4: So there's no slat. You didn't lose to a slouch
Speaker 4: of a team, right, you did not. You lost to
Speaker 4: a hungry Vanderbilt team. Just like what Kentucky is upsetting
Speaker 4: people and things like that, Vandy and Kentucky are in
Speaker 4: the same boat and there are two teams that you
Speaker 4: don't want to play and you must prepare for or
Speaker 4: you'll get stung. And I just think that's what happened.
Speaker 1: In a situation like this. Coaches, I know, have to
Speaker 1: get together first of all with their leaders. And what
Speaker 1: is that process like as a coach where you've got
Speaker 1: to try to right some wrongs and turn the ship
Speaker 1: around whatever you want to call it. But you've got
Speaker 1: to go through the leaders on your team, and it's
Speaker 1: got to start with them, the guys who have the
Speaker 1: ownership of the team.
Speaker 4: What is that like, Well, you know, it's psychological warfare
Speaker 4: deck and what I mean by that is you're upset
Speaker 4: as a coach because you're disappointed in their play. Not
Speaker 4: only that, you're disappointed because you're the one who's getting
Speaker 4: the criticism, so you're feeling more under pressure. Those guys
Speaker 4: are still gonna go see their girlfriends after the game,
Speaker 4: even though they're bad and sad, they're pissed off because
Speaker 4: they play well. They're gonna go out and have a
Speaker 4: good time as college kids. While you're sitting up there
Speaker 4: with your coach is tooling your thumbs, going over film,
Speaker 4: wondering what happened, and you're still dealing with eighteen to
Speaker 4: twenty two year olds. And like we said the other day,
Speaker 4: the inconsistency of Kentucky football is just that, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. You know, we're trying to get to
Speaker 4: be a consistent, SEC prominent team, but we're still not
Speaker 4: there yet. You know, like Vanderbilt's going to have a
Speaker 4: couple of bad losses too, unless they this is just
Speaker 4: a magical year for him because they really get They
Speaker 4: got a really good quarterback and their defense is pretty
Speaker 4: is better than what people are thinking. But this is
Speaker 4: you know, maybe a special year for them, you know,
Speaker 4: to to overachieve but I don't see that on a
Speaker 4: consistent basis, And that's what people have to understand that,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, that was a disappointing loss. You know,
Speaker 4: we're feeling high because we played you know, Georgia really
Speaker 4: good and we beat such and such. But at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, Dick, you know, it's it's tough.
Speaker 4: That's that's that's why the coaches get the big bucks
Speaker 4: because everything went, you know, losses come down on them.
Speaker 4: Wins is the cornerback or whoever the star player is.
Speaker 4: And you know, I feel for coach too, because I
Speaker 4: really think that he's one of the top ten best
Speaker 4: coaches in America. Really, but I really do, because this
Speaker 4: is a hard place.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, I mean, come on, this is I mean,
Speaker 8: let's let's look at it straight. I'm not knocking Kentucky football.
Speaker 4: But the history and history prevails, and you know, Alabama's
Speaker 4: always going to be good no matter what the cool
Speaker 4: the coach is. Georgia is always going to be good,
Speaker 4: no matter who the coach is. LSU is always going
Speaker 4: to be in the thick of things. Even though they
Speaker 4: took you know, had a couple of bad years with
Speaker 4: the coaching change, but those football schools like Kentucky. No
Speaker 4: matter who the.
Speaker 8: Coach is, there's going to be still a top ten,
Speaker 8: top twenty five team every year in the country.
Speaker 4: That's not Kentucky football right now. But going to a
Speaker 4: bowl game every single year, that's really really over the
Speaker 4: coach is at the Uniorsey Kentucky. But what makes athletics
Speaker 4: as look expectations, right, you know, and you know he's
Speaker 4: good enough that he's created a major expectation, high expectations
Speaker 4: of this football team. That's a credit to him. And
Speaker 4: then when people get let down because of a bad loss,
Speaker 4: that's a credit to him too, because he set the standard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the floor has been raised, not just the ceiling,
Speaker 1: but the expectations.
Speaker 4: Right, And it's all because of him. He brought him
Speaker 4: the deal. So what are you gonna do? You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying now? Are we gonna be like Fairweather fans?
Speaker 4: We need another coach? No, we don't need another coach.
Speaker 4: We don't because what you're gonna do it is still
Speaker 4: gonna be the same. But this guy's been more consistent
Speaker 4: than any coach that we've had in a long time.
Speaker 4: Look at his tenure here.
Speaker 1: But that's the easy thing to do. Isn't it fire
Speaker 1: the coach start over.
Speaker 4: It's the easiest thing to do, but it's not the
Speaker 4: right thing to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I get that because, yeah.
Speaker 4: You think you think he's slept in the last four days.
Speaker 1: No, no, okay, it's rare.
Speaker 4: Everybody else is sleeping, and everybody else you know, was
Speaker 4: drinking their beer and drinking their burd in and walking
Speaker 4: out of the stadium blaming students. Well while Stups is
Speaker 4: in there a nervous wreck, can't sleepy, didn't have a drink,
Speaker 4: needed one probably after the game, probably did have one.
Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is it's a different world. You
Speaker 4: know that in a college coach, being a coach period
Speaker 4: is when you got to depend on eighteen to twenty
Speaker 4: two year olds.
Speaker 1: It is rare that a that a coach comes in,
Speaker 1: especially in football, a new, brand new coach, and immediately
Speaker 1: turns things around. You know, people one instant gratification. You've
Speaker 1: talked about that many times on this show. But it
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. So we'll keep an eye on it.
Speaker 4: Actually to with everything, I got that he's the best
Speaker 4: coach for this for this football team. I think he's
Speaker 4: the best coach. That's who he is as a person,
Speaker 4: his personality and invents both. I think they sit yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and you know it. You know, this is
Speaker 4: like I said, it's Kentucky football. You know you're gonna
Speaker 4: have us up. You're gonna have some downs, that's part
Speaker 4: of it. You know. You can bring in Bred, bring
Speaker 4: back Bed Brant, you can bring back Verry Switzer, you
Speaker 4: can go get coach West the name that was at Alabama.
Speaker 4: This is still Kentucky football.
Speaker 1: They still have some things to figure out, but it's
Speaker 1: a lot more fun I got to tell you than
Speaker 1: it used to be. And I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people will will agree with me on that. Sean Woods
Speaker 1: is the unforgettable guard. We talk to him every week. Coach,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Dick. Happy to talk to you, buddy.
Speaker 1: West Nber Chief Gary Moore next on six thirty WLAP
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Big Blue Insider. It's Wednesday, which means
Speaker 1: we look to the west. We look down I sixty
Speaker 1: four to our west end. Bureau Chief Gary Moore used
Speaker 1: to have to look all the way to the west
Speaker 1: coast for Gary. But he's back in LA the Louisville
Speaker 1: area and joined us every week, and he's got some
Speaker 1: good stuff to talk about, don't you.
Speaker 6: I do two guys in a six pack, you and
Speaker 6: me and six fun things, six swigs, we call him.
Speaker 6: This is my favorite time of year, Dick. This is
Speaker 6: this is October. You think about it that. You know,
Speaker 6: we got these great playoff baseball games we were waiting
Speaker 6: for all summer long. You got the great college and
Speaker 6: pro games in October. You got these exhibition NBA games
Speaker 6: that don't mean anything until somebody gets hurt. It's a
Speaker 6: great time of year, isn't it.
Speaker 1: So here we go in college basketball on the horizon.
Speaker 6: Exactly, all the big blue madness and hard stuff and
Speaker 6: all that fun stuff. Well, let's go with baseball to
Speaker 6: kick things off. Our first swig in the six pack.
Speaker 6: At the end of this very hour, we're soaking and
Speaker 6: now eight oh eight Eastern to be exact. First pitch
Speaker 6: NLCS Game three Dodgers in zow York City, LA and
Speaker 6: the Mets tied at a game of piece. Dodger starter
Speaker 6: Lexington native Walker Bueller in the biggest game of his
Speaker 6: season since a week ago last night, insane diego, Remember
Speaker 6: that you gave up all six padre runs in five innings.
Speaker 6: Hopefully tonight, Walker will a not give up a six
Speaker 6: run inning like he did last week, and b won't
Speaker 6: have his defense fail him in such an inning or
Speaker 6: in any of them tonight. And I'm sure that the
Speaker 6: crack Dodger bullpen that they've got going on there, with
Speaker 6: that bullpen, Walker will be on a leash as long
Speaker 6: as a flea's necktie. Okay, So be ready to go.
Speaker 6: Mets are going to counter with right hander Luis Severino,
Speaker 6: good news for Otani, who's looked really mortal against especially
Speaker 6: left handers in the postseason. Dodger swept the Mets in
Speaker 6: New York back in May, so they're at least familiar
Speaker 6: with city field and the fans. I like LA to
Speaker 6: go up two to one tonight.
Speaker 1: You know, this might be Walker's the biggest game in
Speaker 1: his future, because you know, if he doesn't turn things
Speaker 1: around after this second surgery, you wonder and how much
Speaker 1: longer will he be a Dodger? Whither Walker bueler? You
Speaker 1: know CBS Sunday Morning had a piece on Tommy John surgery.
Speaker 1: I saw that, Yeah, and it doesn't always work, as
Speaker 1: they pointed out, and Walker has struggled so Yeah, you
Speaker 1: root for him, even if you're not a Dodgers fan.
Speaker 1: You root for him because this is a vital stage
Speaker 1: of his career.
Speaker 6: He's a good guy, and he's a free agent too,
Speaker 6: So you're right, Ye, this is it. Second swig in
Speaker 6: the six pack. Also tonight, In fact, right now on
Speaker 6: ESPN two, my WKA Hilltoppers down in Texas, about an
Speaker 6: hour north of Houston, playing Sam Houston in a Conference
Speaker 6: USA game. It's right on a Wednesday, a desperate attempt
Speaker 6: to get eyes on his screen for Conference USA. Both
Speaker 6: Toppers and Sam Houston are two to zero in the conference,
Speaker 6: but the Bearcats are a two and a half point
Speaker 6: favorite over the Toppers. Tonight, speaking of desperate unranked Louisville
Speaker 6: five point underdog bird whatever to number six Miami High
Speaker 6: Noon Saturday, ABC National TV. U of L had major
Speaker 6: problems you recalled a couple of years of weeks ago
Speaker 6: with SMU dual threat quarterback Kevin Jennings. Now they got
Speaker 6: to try and stop Heisman candidate cam Ward. Last year
Speaker 6: the Cards beat the Canes in Miami. They won the
Speaker 6: Schnellenberger Trophy with coaches boots on there. You remember that,
Speaker 6: But they ham Ward at that time was at Washington State.
Speaker 6: So Miami's at five point favorites so far, and it
Speaker 6: feels feels like the Cards maybe giving back that trophy
Speaker 6: boots Saturday before he sold out homecoming crowd over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a uh well, first of all, let's
Speaker 1: go back to your beloved Toppers playing on a Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Conference you wus say, really, if memory serves, they were
Speaker 1: the first conference to play I think on a Tuesday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: memory serves. This is, of course after a team was
Speaker 1: off Saturday. But like you point out, desperately seeking eyeballs,
Speaker 1: and it worked, you know, I think it lifted the
Speaker 1: spirits or lifted the fortune to es probably the spirit
Speaker 1: of the team's in Conference USA.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: And let's face it, college football trumping all over high
Speaker 1: school football on Fridays. That's well, in the rearview mirror,
Speaker 1: they're going to play whenever and wherever they can to
Speaker 1: draw eyeball. So but I got to tell you I'm.
Speaker 6: Rooting for him, me too. And they, in fact, they
Speaker 6: had Conference USA against last night, Yeah, exactly, Tuesday then Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, Louisville Miami, I don't remember
Speaker 1: what year, but it was several years ago, at least
Speaker 1: ten or twelve, when U of L was making a
Speaker 1: run at a BCS title, trying to run the table
Speaker 1: and had a big game with Miami and blew it.
Speaker 1: Carrie Roadie went on to a good NFL career, dropped
Speaker 1: an interception. Remember that game. Oh yeah, Miami beaten and
Speaker 1: that would have been a huge step for Louisville football,
Speaker 1: and they just couldn't quite pull it off. I think
Speaker 1: that was the same year they beat Florida State in
Speaker 1: a monsoon in Louisville and buddies who worked that game,
Speaker 1: their cameras got washed away. I mean, it was it
Speaker 1: was a weird season. Well, Miami's done that too.
Speaker 6: When I was in La Ucla was going for number
Speaker 6: one or they were in the top two or three,
Speaker 6: and they had that game reschedule because of a hurricane.
Speaker 6: They went back and I think the first part of
Speaker 6: December and Edger and James went crazy, beat Ucla and
Speaker 6: there went the national title hopes. It happens with that team.
Speaker 6: Our third swig and our six pack. You know, I
Speaker 6: grew up in Murray, two hours from Nashville. That was
Speaker 6: the closest big city to us down there. And you know,
Speaker 6: we always heard people call Vanderbilt University the Harvard of
Speaker 6: the South. Maybe you heard that too, for all of
Speaker 6: this academic superiority. And I can tell you in their
Speaker 6: bookstore they used to sell maybe they still sell shirts
Speaker 6: with this school's official IVY League shield and the words
Speaker 6: Harvard the Vanderbilt of the North. I bring this up
Speaker 6: because of how much smarter Bandy played on UK's home
Speaker 6: field again last Saturday. You know you were there, you
Speaker 6: saw it. We all saw they played smarter, better, more
Speaker 6: discipline in the UK and Dickt's almost as if that
Speaker 6: old miss game never even happened because the Cats look
Speaker 6: so unintelligent. So now we've got to go down to Gainesville,
Speaker 6: where you'll be there. UK is a one point favorite
Speaker 6: Saturday night down in the Swamp on the SEC network,
Speaker 6: seven forty five against Florida. Now the Gators damn near
Speaker 6: one at Knoxville on Saturday. So I ask you, are
Speaker 6: the Gators getting better or do you think that was
Speaker 6: just kind of a fluke on the part of Florida
Speaker 6: and Tennessee's part.
Speaker 1: I think part of it was Tennessee is not quite
Speaker 1: what we thought it would be. But I think Florida
Speaker 1: is on the verge of figuring things out, But that
Speaker 1: line flipped dramatically when you hear the Graham Mertz is done.
Speaker 1: That quarterback could transferred in last year, it might have
Speaker 1: been a Kentucky Wildcat, it said, ends up a Gator.
Speaker 1: But now they'll start a true freshman quarterback. So suddenly
Speaker 1: Kentucky's a one point favorite. Has had success looking for
Speaker 1: four straight against Florida. But yeah, if they go down
Speaker 1: there and play like knuckleheads the way they did last Saturday,
Speaker 1: they might lose by two scores.
Speaker 6: Fourth Swig and the six Pack. Beside the Cards and
Speaker 6: Cats and Toppers games, check out these three college games
Speaker 6: if you dare noon on Saturday. Number sixteen Indiana has
Speaker 6: their homecoming game with five and one Nebraska. My bride
Speaker 6: and I will be in Bloomington at her alma mater,
Speaker 6: IU six and a half point favorite. Number seven Bama
Speaker 6: in Knoxville for the number eleven Volves. That's three balls
Speaker 6: for Let's see three thirty at ABC Bama a three
Speaker 6: point favorite so far in that one, and of course,
Speaker 6: the college game of the weekend without question, Number five
Speaker 6: Georgia at number one Texas Horns a three and a
Speaker 6: half point favorite at this point seven thirty Saturday Night
Speaker 6: in ABC. I'll take the Hoosiers to go seven to zero,
Speaker 6: and I'll also take Bama and Texas in two really
Speaker 6: close games there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you. I think Bama Tennessee one
Speaker 1: of the great rivalries. People think about Kentucky Tennessee for something.
Speaker 1: No Tennessee fans they want Bama, and Bama is shown
Speaker 1: to be mortal as we all know. But I do
Speaker 1: think Bama wins that one. I would love to see
Speaker 1: IU beat Nebraska. I think six and a half is
Speaker 1: a big number, but I think I you can get
Speaker 1: it done. And I think Texas is just too good.
Speaker 1: I think Georgia is really good, but I just think
Speaker 1: Texas is just a tick better, maybe because of the quarterback.
Speaker 1: But I was in earlier in the show Geary talking
Speaker 1: about ratings and man, the SEC is swimming in it
Speaker 1: right now, and so it was the big ten. So
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna be huge audiences. And I think
Speaker 1: Indiana Nebraska is gonna draw a big one. Even though
Speaker 1: Fox has not done too well with Big noon kickoff
Speaker 1: and all that, I think that there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: lot of red in that stadium. But I think that's
Speaker 1: gonna be.
Speaker 6: Definitely, Yeah, I think it's sold out. If not, it's
Speaker 6: very close to being.
Speaker 1: And that's a shocker because there have been back in
Speaker 1: the day Indiana was going to Bowl games, nobody showed up, right,
Speaker 1: you know, but I think there's year right they'll show
Speaker 1: for this one.
Speaker 6: Their coaches egging on the fans to get out there,
Speaker 6: especially for students to show up.
Speaker 1: So good.
Speaker 6: I know, Hey, what else is there to do in
Speaker 6: your college? Come on, man's what college is about? Go
Speaker 6: to these football games? Yeah, fifth swig and the six pack. Okay,
Speaker 6: let's talk to NFL. Three supersized games on Sunday and
Speaker 6: one next Monday night. But you know, to get to
Speaker 6: those games, we got to slog through the Broncos and
Speaker 6: Saints tomorrow night, and then Sunday morning at nine thirty
Speaker 6: again from London, this time at Wimbley Stadium, the good
Speaker 6: people of Great Britain get a game about as disappointing
Speaker 6: as their dental work. The one in five Jags and
Speaker 6: the one five Patriots.
Speaker 1: I apologize for that.
Speaker 6: Hey, look, they unloaded Harry and Megan on us. So
Speaker 6: it seems like this is like a small payback. Okay,
Speaker 6: after those, you got your Packers at home at Lambeau
Speaker 6: three point favorites over the Texans, and also at one
Speaker 6: o'clock also in the NFL North, the Lions two and
Speaker 6: a half point undercats at the Vikings. For twenty five,
Speaker 6: we get a Super Bowl rematch Kansas City one point
Speaker 6: underdogs at San Francisco, and then Monday Night eight point
Speaker 6: fifteen marvelous and the Ravens three and a half point
Speaker 6: favorites at Tampa Bay. A lot of eyeballs on that game,
Speaker 6: but Monday Night's been really good. We'll talk about that
Speaker 6: a little bit later on. But I think, Dick, you're
Speaker 6: gonna be pulling oddly enough for Detroit this weekend, won't you?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I will, because I cannot root for the Vikings.
Speaker 1: And you know, you got Josh Pascal playing for the Lions,
Speaker 1: so you got to root for him as well. But
Speaker 1: that's that's just a team that even though you hated
Speaker 1: to see Hutchinson go down, it's going to be a
Speaker 1: tough one for my Packers with the Texans, but Jags Pats,
Speaker 1: they'll be a huge crowd because people, as you know,
Speaker 1: love going to London You've been there many times.
Speaker 6: They sell out every game, Yeah.
Speaker 1: They do, but it will not be a great game.
Speaker 1: Although Drake may has shown he might well be the
Speaker 1: quarterback of the future, but Trevor Lawrence may not be
Speaker 1: the quarterback of the future for Jacksonville. I think his,
Speaker 1: if not his career, at least his status is on
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 6: Sixth and final swig in the six pack. As you
Speaker 6: talked about here last night, a mere thirty six years
Speaker 6: ago yesterday, Kirk Gibson did the impossible in a Dodgers
Speaker 6: year that was so improbable, as Vin Scully said, YEP.
Speaker 6: World Series Game one, nineteen eighty eight, bottom of the ninth,
Speaker 6: Dodgers trailing four to three against the the tough Oakland
Speaker 6: A's and the Bash Brothers, bottom of the ninth, two outs,
Speaker 6: one man on. Kirk Gibson wasn't even supposed to be
Speaker 6: anywhere near a batter's box. Hobbles up to pinch, hit,
Speaker 6: got down two, worked at the three and two off
Speaker 6: Ace reliever Dennis Eckersley then hit a back door slider
Speaker 6: over the right field fence, five to four, walk off win,
Speaker 6: and that was Gibson's only at batan the entire series
Speaker 6: that the Dodgers went under win four games to one,
Speaker 6: and Dick I was at all five of those games.
Speaker 1: Nice the uh.
Speaker 6: It was the first World Series I ever covered. In fact,
Speaker 6: that was my first World Series game.
Speaker 1: To ever cover.
Speaker 6: I should have retired to that point. We were in
Speaker 6: the auxiliary press section up upper deck, and I almost
Speaker 6: missed it because after the second out we thought, well,
Speaker 6: this is going to be it. You know whoever's going
Speaker 6: to pinch hit? And wait a minute, it's Gibson.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: When we were about ready to go down stairs by
Speaker 6: the by the aisle, yeah, yeah for the things, Okay,
Speaker 6: we better watch this sort of thing. And it was
Speaker 6: such a huge, huge moment. I don't think I've ever
Speaker 6: heard Dodger Stadium that loud, and all the games I've
Speaker 6: covered since then, and even going to games before that,
Speaker 6: the sustained loudness was was unbelievable. In fact, there's a
Speaker 6: seat that they've commemorated where the ball hit that you
Speaker 6: can actually buy now, the Kurt Gibson seat. It's right there.
Speaker 6: It has been voted the greatest moment in Dodger's history. Sure, well,
Speaker 6: after they signed this guy named Jackie, I think that
Speaker 6: would probably take presidence over that. But what a moment,
Speaker 6: What an incredible moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, could you feel the stadium shaking? I mean
Speaker 1: you could, yes, Wow, amazing. And as I said last night,
Speaker 1: I was actually anchoring our magazine show, our sports show,
Speaker 1: and that game, you know, Ransom and our editor comes
Speaker 1: running down with a script in the sand goes you
Speaker 1: will not believe what just happened. So the first time
Speaker 1: I saw the video was when I voiced it live
Speaker 1: on the news that night, and it was just phenomenal.
Speaker 1: It is. It's such a great moment to revisit. I
Speaker 1: loved and I love playing both the TV call last
Speaker 1: night and the radio call Jack Yeah, Don Drysdale, No,
Speaker 1: not the national Don Drysdale.
Speaker 6: I'll doger radio right, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: Bucks was great too, but I'd never heard Drysdale's call
Speaker 1: along with Vinnie you know, so great but uh yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the great moments in baseball history. We'll come
Speaker 1: back and talk more with our Western Bureau chief, Gary Moore.
Speaker 1: Hot Ras coming up on six point thirty WLAP. Welcome back.
Speaker 1: We're chalking with our West n Bureau chief Gary Moore.
Speaker 1: We've gone through two guys in a six pack. Time
Speaker 1: for a couple of hot reads. I'll throw at Gary.
Speaker 1: Why don't we start with the NFL since we talked
Speaker 1: so much about him? Bill Jets much of a game?
Speaker 7: Eh?
Speaker 1: You know, it was an interesting game, but on paper
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think it would mean much to look at.
Speaker 1: But the multi tiered coverage by ABC, ESPN, ESPN two.
Speaker 1: People wonder why do you compete with yourself? Why do
Speaker 1: you put the games on all these different channels based
Speaker 1: Well here's why. Because they drew seventeen point three million viewers. Amazing. Wow,
Speaker 1: I realize it's the NFL. I realized there are a
Speaker 1: lot of souls football fans living in New York. But
Speaker 1: would you expect that kind of viewership for that kind
Speaker 1: of game? I sure wouldn't. Aaron Rodgers is going to
Speaker 1: draw some some interest, and I like watching it because
Speaker 1: of Ray Davis having a big game.
Speaker 6: Boy, it wasn't that great.
Speaker 1: It was great. But this is just some brilliant programming,
Speaker 1: isn't it? By the network? Networks plural? But it's all Disney.
Speaker 1: It's the mouse.
Speaker 6: You're gonna do it again, money, They're gonna do it
Speaker 6: against this and why not?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 1: It's perfect.
Speaker 6: It's it's a great idea, especially for that for for
Speaker 6: that number to pop up in the slog of a
Speaker 6: game that was but there was a penalty every other play. Seemingly,
Speaker 6: it just became unwatchable at a certain point with with
Speaker 6: guys missing field goals, you know, and and and all
Speaker 6: these holding calls and great plays got called back, guys
Speaker 6: dropping balls. It just was was an ugly game, but
Speaker 6: the numbers sure weren't ugly. And well, we got a
Speaker 6: good one coming up Monday too.
Speaker 1: And it's not like it was when we were kids
Speaker 1: and there were only three or four channels, and if
Speaker 1: the President was talking, you know, you had nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: There's a thousand channels out there. You got a lot
Speaker 1: of choices. But a lot of people chose to tune
Speaker 1: into this one and uh, watch the Jets drop another
Speaker 1: one and again, uh good for Ray Davis. Secondly, those
Speaker 1: Cowboys keep losing and Jerry Jones lashes out Breton's the Fire.
Speaker 1: A couple of talk show hosts on on the Fan,
Speaker 1: the FM station in Dallas that has the games. You
Speaker 1: and I worked together. We met at the station are
Speaker 1: in town that used to have the U came at work,
Speaker 1: and people wonder how do you handle that? You know,
Speaker 1: and I did the very first sports talk show in
Speaker 1: Central Kentucky. You know, how do you how do you
Speaker 1: criticize the team that's on your station and things like that.
Speaker 1: But Jerry Jones, I mean what they put to this
Speaker 1: guy wasn't all that challenging. Well, I think he's losing
Speaker 1: his mind, I really think and threatening and he says,
Speaker 1: and I'm paying these guys, No, no, they're paying you
Speaker 1: for the games. Yep.
Speaker 6: And you see what else he said to the athletic
Speaker 6: The wrong ones were doing the questioning. Now, if those
Speaker 6: had been real fans sitting there, if they had been
Speaker 6: people that knew what they were talking about, football people,
Speaker 6: I might have had a different answer. Really Well, you're
Speaker 6: a football guy who's the owner, president, and general manager
Speaker 6: of a team that hasn't been to the Super Bowl
Speaker 6: in twenty eight years, much less an NFC championship game
Speaker 6: in twenty eight years, So you think you know everything.
Speaker 6: And I guarantee if a fan had been in there,
Speaker 6: there probably would been a lot of f bombs and
Speaker 6: stuff more frustrated fan base than a professional who actually
Speaker 6: does snow football and who actually is following the stuff.
Speaker 6: This guy's a control freak, and he probably needs to
Speaker 6: set aside he's.
Speaker 1: An old fool.
Speaker 6: And if the guy who's he's an old fool, who
Speaker 6: is the head of an eleven billion dollar franchise and
Speaker 6: he can't handle some words from guys on the radio,
Speaker 6: throw a backbone, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you use the word I was looking for.
Speaker 1: As a professional, these guys have been doing this radio
Speaker 1: show and working in radio and covering the NFL. Naturally
Speaker 1: we're going to take up for him. But as somebody
Speaker 1: pointed out what I was reading, Jerry Jones has handled
Speaker 1: far more difficult questions. But I'm like you, I think
Speaker 1: eternity questions.
Speaker 6: How about that one, Jared?
Speaker 1: But I think I just think his time is just
Speaker 1: growing dim And you know, he paid all that money
Speaker 1: for Dak Prescott, got his contract done, and you know
Speaker 1: what has he done nothing? Team?
Speaker 6: The team isn't well, look what happened with Detroit. They
Speaker 6: weren't even close to being competitive.
Speaker 1: No, in that game.
Speaker 6: No, that was an embarrassment, like a college team playing
Speaker 6: a pro team.
Speaker 1: At looks, you get to wonder is at rock bottom?
Speaker 1: But rock bottom may be right around the corner. So
Speaker 1: who knows, but it's never the fault of the general manager.
Speaker 6: As long as he stays there, they're still going to stink.
Speaker 6: So Jerry stick around for a ten fifteen years as
Speaker 6: far as we're concerned.
Speaker 1: I'm good with that, all right. Well, he is our
Speaker 1: West End bureau chief, Gary Moore. You can always find
Speaker 1: him working.
Speaker 6: About Twitter or ex where at nine to five five Gary,
Speaker 6: just down the row from you at.
Speaker 1: Big Boo Insider one. See you next week.
Speaker 6: Have fun in the swamp.
Speaker 1: And that'll do it. Thanks to my guest tonight, to
Speaker 1: Gary Moore, to Shawn Woods, and of course to Van
Speaker 1: Hiles and a shameless plug. I will be back with
Speaker 1: you tomorrow morning on the Leech Report, bright and early,
Speaker 1: and of course a reminder, we've got Kentucky football coming
Speaker 1: up Saturday night. And how vital is this one?
Speaker 7: Is?
Speaker 1: A Wildcats? Is it? The Florida Gators? Supposed to be
Speaker 1: a beautiful evening in the swamp. Maybe it will be
Speaker 1: a beautiful game for the Wildcats. They know how to
Speaker 1: win down there, and it's a Gator team that is
Speaker 1: fighting for its season and a coach coaching for his
Speaker 1: job most likely will have it for you. Five thirty
Speaker 1: start time with Christy Logan and Jeremy and then Tom Leech,
Speaker 1: Jeffcoor and I with a call Cats taking on those
Speaker 1: Gators coming up Saturday night, seven forty five. It's on
Speaker 1: the SEC Network. But of course you got two ears.
Speaker 1: He is one for TV and one for radio. I
Speaker 1: always recommend that that's it. Good night from the garage
Speaker 1: in Lexington.
Speaker 4: I got no respect to day I was born, really
Speaker 4: no respect. The doctor picked me up and smacked me.
Speaker 4: I found out the night she got a few into