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Go to all the Feelings Dot 50 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.000 Fun to learn more or subscribe to All the Feelings 51 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:19.919 wherever you get your podcasts. 52 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:34.520 Game over, Hello and welcome to this episode of Superhero 53 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:38.319 Ethics Today, myself Matthew is joined by Jessica, our comic 54 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:41.479 book expert extraordinaire, to give you a primer as we 55 00:02:41.560 --> 00:02:44.840 get ready for Daredevil Born Again. This will hopefully be 56 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:47.599 going out right before the new season of Daredevil's coming out. 57 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:49.560 You know, we know that this is going to be 58 00:02:50.039 --> 00:02:52.879 a new continuity, but is definitely going to be sort 59 00:02:52.879 --> 00:02:57.719 of very connected to the Daredevil Netflix Universe MCU. If 60 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.759 you didn't see the Netflix MCU and you wanted to 61 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.360 kind of get an idea of what it was at 62 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:04.599 all about going into it, if you did see it 63 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:07.400 a while ago, but you think there's something in your 64 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.680 life worth doing rather than spending the next thirty six 65 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:12.479 hours watching all three seasons in a day and a half. 66 00:03:12.879 --> 00:03:14.759 I don't really understand your life choices, but you know, 67 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.960 there you go. You might think silly things like work 68 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:19.240 or sleep or taking care of your relationships matter more 69 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.919 than Matt Murdoch. We're here to support you and those 70 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:22.520 bad choices. 71 00:03:22.919 --> 00:03:27.199 Yeah, So Daredebil has been in the comics since nineteen 72 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:31.240 sixty four. He was created by Stanley and Bill Everett, 73 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:37.599 and the show gets a lot it's the basics are 74 00:03:37.759 --> 00:03:41.800 very much the same. He was blinded as a child 75 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:47.560 by radioactive ooze, toxic waste, weird chemicals that changes based 76 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:50.360 on the decade. Fun fact, it's the same stuff that 77 00:03:50.520 --> 00:03:54.479 made the teenage Ninja Turtles what they are. That is 78 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:56.039 Ninja Turtles Ken. 79 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.599 Yeah, he's kind of like lying on it. He's lying 80 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:02.400 near like a sewer great ripped down and the dripped 81 00:04:02.639 --> 00:04:06.039 through the sewer grading and then teenagem ninten Girls launches 82 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:10.000 from the same stuff. But anyway, go on, Yes. 83 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:12.800 So whatever it is it gets in his eyes, it 84 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:15.759 blinds him, but it enhances all of his other senses, 85 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:20.600 so he can hear your heartbeat when you lie, and 86 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:24.800 he can smell feelings, and he has basically radar, sonar 87 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:27.319 or whatever. And also he's a ninja because of course 88 00:04:27.319 --> 00:04:31.920 he's a Nincia. He grows up becomes a lawyer with 89 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.199 his best friend in college roommate, Foggy Nelson. They open 90 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:38.000 a law firm called Nelson and Murdoch with their secretary, 91 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:45.639 cam Acage. Avocados at law, and U Matt proceeds to 92 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.519 never ever ever show up for a single court case 93 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:52.639 because he's too busy being a ninja. So Foggy keeps 94 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:56.879 the lights on and Matt almost dies every night, and 95 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.160 the show gets all that pretty much exactly right. 96 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:02.839 Well, I think I think the toxic waste part of 97 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.439 it is important because, like a lot of things in Marvel, 98 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:10.839 the actual explanation for where powers comes from changes canonically 99 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.360 a bunch going back and forth. And you know, in 100 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.920 the MCU there's been mostly an attempt to keep things 101 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:19.199 a lot more grounded and to have like at least 102 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:24.519 like vaguely pseudoscience explanations for how things happen. But it 103 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:26.800 is important to think to think about, like, you know, 104 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:31.800 there are people in the MCU who have a power 105 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:36.240 set that is possible within humanity. It's just really extreme. 106 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:38.959 Like the Black Widows for example, are like you know, 107 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:42.319 trained to the height of human ability, but it is 108 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.480 still within the realm of human ability. The agents of 109 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:47.000 shields such as like that as opposed to someone who 110 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:51.279 has superhuman abilities. And while it is true in our 111 00:05:51.319 --> 00:05:54.000 own world that people can lose one of their senses 112 00:05:54.480 --> 00:05:59.319 and have a number of others become fairly accentuated. That's 113 00:05:59.480 --> 00:06:02.040 not what is only happening with Daredevil that there is 114 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:05.720 a supernatural, not like it's mystical or magical or although 115 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:09.720 he certainly has a religious crisis. Yeah, for his perspective, 116 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.600 you know, it could be, and it's never. 117 00:06:12.439 --> 00:06:15.560 I mean, that knows a lot of like undead ninjas 118 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.480 and stuff, but his his own powers are not magic. 119 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:20.639 They're comic right, it's comic book science. But it is 120 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:26.040 still this is not like, ohy, average blind person who's 121 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:28.800 hearing gets a lot better. This is like all of 122 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:33.439 that turned up eight. Yeah, so what is then kind 123 00:06:33.439 --> 00:06:35.720 of starting with the Netflix show? But also you said 124 00:06:35.720 --> 00:06:37.439 it builds on a lot of the aspects of the 125 00:06:37.480 --> 00:06:40.480 character from the comic books and other settings. What's really 126 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.959 the essence of this character, Like, we have a lot 127 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:44.600 of ninjas in the MCU, We have a lot of 128 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:49.160 characters who go around as vigilantes and beat up bad guys. 129 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:52.800 What makes Matt met what makes Daredevil daredeel? 130 00:06:56.839 --> 00:07:07.560 I think sort of the essence of his personality, his 131 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:14.560 unique you know essence, as he's a disaster and I mean, 132 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:18.680 I think all most superheroes are disasters if you dig 133 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:21.480 in a little bit. But like again, this is very 134 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:26.800 evident in the in the Netflix show, I expect it 135 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:29.680 to be very evident in the Disney Plus show. It's 136 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.319 very evident in the comics. But he is a character 137 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:36.360 who desperately wants to do the right thing, does not 138 00:07:36.519 --> 00:07:41.040 know what that is, struggles very much with it, and 139 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.480 has absolutely zero impulse control, which means that he often 140 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.519 does what he thinks is the right thing in the moment, 141 00:07:47.560 --> 00:07:51.439 but perhaps is not the best thing to do ultimately. 142 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:53.160 I mean, I made a joke about him, you know, 143 00:07:53.279 --> 00:07:56.839 never showing up in court and leaving Foggy to do 144 00:07:56.879 --> 00:07:59.319 all the work. But like it really is very much 145 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:01.240 a case of, oh my god, a ninja thing is 146 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.480 happening right now, I have to drop everything and go 147 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.959 deal with it, which, like in the long run, can 148 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:12.439 be harmful and unproductive, not just to his career in 149 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:17.000 his personal relationships. But like he is not he is 150 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:20.079 very reactive. He does not at all see the big 151 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:25.240 picture or the long game. Ever, he is deeply religious. 152 00:08:25.560 --> 00:08:28.839 He's Catholic, and that very much informs his stories as 153 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.720 he tries to figure out what God wants him to 154 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:37.720 do and well. It informs some of his comic book stories, 155 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:40.600 some of them don't hear at all, but that is 156 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:45.360 very much a guiding principle, and a lot of his 157 00:08:45.440 --> 00:08:49.320 stories and especially the show, are very much embedded not 158 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:51.799 just in New York City, but specifically in the Hell's 159 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:53.840 Kitchen neighborhood of New York City, which if you're not 160 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:57.240 from New York is about one square mile on the 161 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:01.960 west side of Midtown Manhattan. Which it's very funny seeing 162 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:04.639 people watch the show and then find out how small 163 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:07.919 Hell's Kitchen actually is. And Matt keeps saying, like this city, 164 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:10.799 and he's referring to a square mile of a city, 165 00:09:10.840 --> 00:09:11.200 and I. 166 00:09:11.200 --> 00:09:13.159 Would say some of his best friend grew up there. 167 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:17.440 It largely does not exist. It has been very very gentrified, 168 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:19.159 and like there are still parts of it, but like 169 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:22.360 if you watch the movie West Side Story, West Side 170 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:26.120 Story is explicitly about Hell's Kitchen when it was run 171 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.720 by like a little north but like in that same 172 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:30.840 when it was when it and it's about like Irish 173 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:34.120 and Italian gangs and Puerto Rican gangs and a lot 174 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:36.279 of that stuff. A lot of that area has now 175 00:09:36.320 --> 00:09:38.480 been gentrified a lot and cleaned up. There's still some 176 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:40.559 some not great parts, but it's like I have friends 177 00:09:40.559 --> 00:09:42.559 who've gone to visit those places. I mean, even this 178 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:44.440 is not what the show is about. 179 00:09:46.279 --> 00:09:51.200 No, I interned at time out New York in college. 180 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:53.639 It's sort of been like two thousand and five, and 181 00:09:53.720 --> 00:09:58.080 their office was in Hell's Kitchen, and like just walking 182 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:01.960 commuting in from New Jersey walk from Port Authority to 183 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:06.080 tenth Avenue at that time was kind of dicey for 184 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:10.039 like twenty year old woman, like I felt a little 185 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:14.919 bit uncomfortable. And now even in the twenty years since then, 186 00:10:14.960 --> 00:10:19.200 it's totally gone Hell's kit I mean, the association of 187 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:22.240 Daredevil with Hell's Kitchen is a thing that emerged in 188 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:25.559 the eighties, specifically in comics by Frank Miller, who wrote 189 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:28.759 the comic Daredevil Born Again. That the new show takes 190 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.320 its name from. Obviously New York in the eighties was 191 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.159 very different. And I will say that the show, the 192 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:40.879 Netflix show does say that Hell's Kitchen is suffering because 193 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:45.480 of the devastation from what they call the incident. Basically 194 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:48.200 everything that happens in the first Avengers movie, which happens 195 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.840 like three blocks away from the border of Hell's kitchen 196 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:55.639 caused all this destruction, and really the implication is it 197 00:10:55.720 --> 00:10:58.240 kind of knocked that part of the city back into 198 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.960 the eighties. But yeah, it's it's all brunch places now 199 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:03.600 and the Jabbet Center. So if you go to New 200 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:04.519 York Comic Con, you're. 201 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:08.360 In and in a kind of really amazing way. A 202 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.480 lot of the first season is about the attempt to 203 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:14.000 gentrify Hell's Kitchen in the wake of all that's happened, 204 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.200 and so it is very, very real in that way. 205 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:18.399 I want to go back to the religious part though, 206 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:20.559 because I've said before I'm a person of faith, I'm 207 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:22.399 a Christian, I'm a former pastor, but I'm obviously very 208 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:25.679 on the progressive side of things, and I'm generally very 209 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:29.960 frustrated with how religion is treated in shows like this 210 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:34.080 because either it's like the gods are literally real, like 211 00:11:34.200 --> 00:11:38.440 Thor and Loki are legitimate characters in this, and there's 212 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:41.039 sort of an idea of like people are silly to 213 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:44.120 build religions because like, you know, they're not real, they're 214 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.080 actually they just more like people whose power set seems 215 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:50.759 like god like to other people. Or if heroes are religious, 216 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:55.039 they're kind of delusional. And I really appreciate that with Daredevil, 217 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.919 it isn't approached as like there's a there's never a 218 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:01.720 burning bush that talks to him. He there, God is 219 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:06.639 never a character on screen. Instead, it's that, like a 220 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:10.240 lot of people, he has moral questions about what he's doing, 221 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:14.399 but that the moral framework that he has learned is 222 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:16.720 the one that he has learned as a Catholic, and 223 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:19.679 that the Catholicist, you know, and and I think that 224 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:23.200 both is like the religious aspects most specifically, but like 225 00:12:23.720 --> 00:12:25.879 also guilt is a big deal for a lot of 226 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:28.960 people who are Catholics. And a part of his story 227 00:12:29.080 --> 00:12:32.559 is that his father died in like the to give 228 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:35.519 a very very brief summary, his father's a boxer and 229 00:12:35.559 --> 00:12:38.080 his father was never very good, but like had a 230 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.559 fight that he thought he could win, and the mob 231 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:43.559 asked him to throw the fight, and he decides not 232 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.600 to because he wants his son to like experience him winning, 233 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:48.960 and that he winds up getting killed by it. And 234 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.200 you know, knowing that your father like got killed because 235 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:55.200 he wanted to make you, as a ten year old proud, 236 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:57.399 is going to be a little traumatic for a ten 237 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:02.000 year old, And like, I'm not Atholic. I'm Christian. I 238 00:13:02.039 --> 00:13:04.320 know you you've spoken about it before, being being you know, 239 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.879 one Jewish parent, one Catholic parent. I love to hear 240 00:13:06.919 --> 00:13:10.679 your you're like to you connect with the Catholicism specifically 241 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:13.039 of this character and like the role it plays for him. 242 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:16.720 I mean honest, to be honest, not at not at all, 243 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:21.480 specifically the Catholicism. My father is Catholic, but I was 244 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:26.279 raised Jewish, Like yeah, yeah, my mom had custody most 245 00:13:26.360 --> 00:13:30.639 of the time, so we celebrated Christmas. But I didn't, 246 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:33.840 you know, I was never raised Catholic at all. But 247 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:37.600 I will say one thing that I do appreciate about 248 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:41.519 the show, like rewatching and again revisiting it, it's it's 249 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:47.720 uh evident that Matt is not the only Catholic character. 250 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:53.039 Like Claire Claire Temple Rosario Dawson's character is Catholic and 251 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:56.840 she talks about that, and it's never stated explicitly, but 252 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:01.080 Foggy is also pretty clearly Catholic, like when he references 253 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.720 like a teacher, he says sister something or other, like 254 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:10.679 he clearly went to Catholic school. And I appreciate that 255 00:14:10.720 --> 00:14:18.519 the show shows a range of how characters can relate 256 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:21.720 to the same religion. Oh and of course Matt's priests 257 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:24.559 is a major supporting character in every season, and in 258 00:14:24.600 --> 00:14:26.840 season three we meet his mom, who is a nun. 259 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:34.279 So there's you know, it's the show focuses on. And 260 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:37.840 also Frank Castle is a Catholic. The Punisher is Catholic. 261 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:44.440 The show focuses on Matt's relationship to his religion, but 262 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.600 it also shows people who have a much more casual 263 00:14:47.639 --> 00:14:51.639 relationship with it or are lapsed or have made it, 264 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:56.440 you know, their calling. And I think it's very well rounded. 265 00:14:56.120 --> 00:14:59.559 In that way. Yeah, and also it tracks with the 266 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:01.960 popular of Hell's Kitchen, like I said, like it is 267 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:04.919 often for a long time it was very much an 268 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:08.320 Irish and Italian and then like Hell, as you said, 269 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:10.720 like the exact events of West Side Story are kind 270 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:13.120 of the northern end, maybe a little past the border 271 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:17.720 of it, but it's those same populations of you know, Irish, Italian, Polish, 272 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.799 Puerto Rican, other Latino, all Catholic in somewhere or another. 273 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:23.759 Uh comes in there. And as I said, but what 274 00:15:23.799 --> 00:15:26.120 I like about it is it's not it's not theological. 275 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.559 It is someone in the third season, but but but 276 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:31.559 it's much more about just that's the framework of his 277 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.360 ethics and r I think is kind of like the 278 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:36.960 framing questions certainly of the first season, but but in 279 00:15:36.960 --> 00:15:39.600 some ways, I think of his entire character is a 280 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:41.919 question at one point that his priest puts to him 281 00:15:41.960 --> 00:15:44.600 because he's kind of going to confession and his priest 282 00:15:44.679 --> 00:15:47.600 figures out what he's doing. And they never quite explicitly 283 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.559 say it, but its prison understands where it's coming from. 284 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:53.240 And you know, one of the things that Matt is 285 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.960 really wrestling with is does he have to kill Kingpin, 286 00:15:57.240 --> 00:15:59.519 the kind of main villain of the show that that 287 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:01.519 he that he is dealing with in season one and 288 00:16:01.559 --> 00:16:07.360 then again in season three, and also just this idea 289 00:16:07.480 --> 00:16:10.000 of violence in general. You know that there is the 290 00:16:10.120 --> 00:16:12.360 part where the Daredevil name comes from, is that they 291 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:15.360 talk about how the Murdoch men have the devil in 292 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.559 them and that sometimes the devil would just come out, 293 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.120 and which was a very like it's presented as kind 294 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:23.720 of like, yeah, we're really tough, but I mean that's 295 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:26.720 a very ominous statement, you know, And that's the kind 296 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:28.639 of statement that's often made like about in a family 297 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:30.519 where like, you know, there can be abuse, right, there 298 00:16:30.600 --> 00:16:32.759 can be people who are just overly violent in bad ways, 299 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.279 but he talks about that like at times he enjoys 300 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:39.840 what he's doing. And that's exactly the question the priest 301 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:43.720 puts to him, is he's I'm perfectly the exact wording. 302 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.759 I think it's he says, are you afraid that you 303 00:16:46.759 --> 00:16:49.279 will have to kill this man and you don't want to? 304 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:52.200 Or are you afraid that you won't have to kill 305 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:55.840 this man and you want to? And And I just 306 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:58.600 that hits so hard because I feel like that's the 307 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.840 heart of Batman, that's the heart of on this podcast. 308 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:04.000 For remembers out in the episode, we did something specifically 309 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.359 about vengeance and sort of where is the line between 310 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.079 like working for justice and working for vengeance? And I 311 00:17:10.079 --> 00:17:12.559 think that's exactly what Matt Murrock is all about, is 312 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:17.839 about I am transgressing in both Catholic law and you know, 313 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.440 American legal law by taking violence into my own hands. 314 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:25.480 But am I doing it to protect people? Or am 315 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.920 I doing it because I had terrible things done to 316 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.200 me by criminals and so I want to do terrible 317 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:32.640 things to criminals. 318 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:35.599 Yeah, And again, I think it's a big part of 319 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:41.119 like Matt not having that filter of like, yes, he 320 00:17:41.160 --> 00:17:43.599 spends a lot of time on the show agonizing about 321 00:17:43.599 --> 00:17:45.519 what he will do, but he does that when he 322 00:17:45.759 --> 00:17:48.119 like when he's agonizing about whether or not he has 323 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.039 to kill Wilson Fisk the Kingpin, he has no actual 324 00:17:52.119 --> 00:17:55.160 means to do that, so he has the space to agonize. 325 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:59.559 When he's in a given situation. There is no thought, 326 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.480 There's just that impulse and that anger. That rage is 327 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:06.279 a huge part of that impulse. But he also talks about, 328 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:09.839 like the reason he became Daredevil is because he has 329 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:12.720 these enhanced senses. He lies in bed at night, he 330 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.440 listens to the city and he hears how many people 331 00:18:15.440 --> 00:18:20.599 are hurting, and he cannot he is unable to stop 332 00:18:20.680 --> 00:18:25.039 himself from going out and intervening and helping. And those 333 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.400 are sort of the two sides of that coin. That 334 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:32.759 he cannot stop himself from helping good people, innocent people, 335 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.480 or however you want to put it, and he cannot 336 00:18:34.519 --> 00:18:38.240 stop himself from hurting bad people. And then of course, 337 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:40.640 once he's done whatever the thing is, then he agonizes 338 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:42.799 about it. He feels guilty and he's like, oh, what 339 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.000 have I done? And praise and stuff it's the cycle. 340 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:48.200 And I think one of the things that really hits 341 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:51.039 into it as well is that, I mean, in many ways, 342 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.559 I feel like he's a zealous he's a crusader, and 343 00:18:53.599 --> 00:18:55.160 that he's kind of aware of that, and that one 344 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.960 of the things that can happen is zelots don't often 345 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.279 care a lot about clateral damage. And one thing, especially 346 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:04.640 Season one, focuses on is that there are times whereby 347 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:07.319 taking some of the actions he does, not only is 348 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.559 he putting himself in danger, but he causes his friends 349 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:13.960 in danger. He causes innocent like Claire Temple, who becomes 350 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:16.240 kind of night nurse. So I don't think they're officially 351 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:18.559 use that term, but she's kind of one of the 352 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:21.920 anchors of the entire Netflix MCU in a very wonderful way, 353 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.559 as this nurse who takes care of everyone and and 354 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.000 also gets asleep with a number of really attractive people. 355 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.279 And Luke Cage treats her a lot better than Matt 356 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:32.839 Murdoch does, and God bless him for it, because they're 357 00:19:32.880 --> 00:19:33.480 great together. 358 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:38.079 But yeah, if you're gonna pick a Defender's guy or 359 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.119 a defenders anyone, like if you're gonna date a defender 360 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:43.599 it's there's no question, it's Luke. 361 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.319 Yeah, like I think Matt Colter and god, well, who 362 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:48.039 plays Matt Murdoch. 363 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.119 I can't remember his name now, Charlie Cox. 364 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:52.480 Charlie Cock, like they're both beautiful, beautiful men, but lue 365 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:55.839 Cage is a little better. But like Daredevil gets connected 366 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:59.559 to her because she finds him, and he's immediately like, oh, yeah, 367 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.400 I'm gonna from your apartment start like beating people up. 368 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:03.880 Oh by the way, now you have to leave for 369 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.359 six months, like just you know, he just doesn't think 370 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:11.160 about it, and she gets I think I understood, like 371 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:13.319 every by the end of season one, everyone in his 372 00:20:13.400 --> 00:20:15.680 life is really pissed at him because. 373 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.720 Well, she also like actually gets kidnapped by the Russian 374 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.799 mob and beaten trying to get answers for the because 375 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:24.519 they're trying to get answers on his identity. I referred 376 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:28.079 to this to a friend as I was rewatching, as like, oh, 377 00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.640 I like you know how you like vaguely remember things, 378 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:32.920 but you don't remember just how bad they are. I'd 379 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:36.440 forgotten about Matt and Karen's shared quest to get every 380 00:20:36.480 --> 00:20:42.119 brown person in Hell's Kitchen killed, because yes, it's It's 381 00:20:42.160 --> 00:20:49.680 like how Matt's carelessness with Claire's safety. 382 00:20:49.960 --> 00:20:54.799 Is bad and the safety of a young again not white, 383 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:57.400 brown boy who is I think, I think a neighbor 384 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.680 of you know, I think, yeah, but who Claire takes 385 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.440 care of them, and he also gets I mean he 386 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:03.960 gets kidnapped even before Claire does. Yep. 387 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:07.119 He also he gets aimed to get information on where 388 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:09.200 Claire is, who then gets beaten to get information on 389 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:16.880 where Matt is. But missus Cardinis, client that Nelson and 390 00:21:16.960 --> 00:21:19.319 Murdoch are trying to keep from getting gentrified out of 391 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:24.759 her apartment, is murdered, and most egregiously, Ben Yurick, who 392 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:27.960 is a reporter that Karen is working with to expose 393 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:32.799 all of this, gets killed very directly as the result 394 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:38.960 of Karen's complete recklessness and utter lack of concern for 395 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:46.680 both Ben's safety and his feelings in that like dogged 396 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:50.200 pursuit of I must have the truth and it doesn't 397 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.000 matter what else happens. And in that way, she is 398 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:54.839 very very much like Matt. 399 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.519 I don't want to go too deep into like critiques 400 00:21:57.519 --> 00:21:59.880 of the seasons, you know, they're not perfectly any me, 401 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:02.200