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fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of HBO Max fame, and

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of course only fans notoriety. The Trade Deadline primer machine

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keeps on chugging along. We were onto I think the

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NBA's most pleasant surprise of the year in the Phoenix.

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Is that fair to say more somes are the biggest

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or most pleasant surprise in the league.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the Celtics up there? Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. They

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can't beat the Celtics on that one. That's that's gotta

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be Boston. But like they're up there, it's been It's.

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Speaker 1: Why can't they be more surprising that everyone had this

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team ticketed for hell? I think I think I had

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the Celtics, Yeah, but their hell was deliberate hell right.

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And they're doing this in the West right Yeah, And

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by the way, as we're recording, this won't go up

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right away. They have not only leap frog up to

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their way into the Western Conference top six, but guess

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who they jumped to get there more.

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Speaker 2: I'm guessing the Rockets. When you're frame it, Kevin Durant's Rocket, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Some meaning to that, but there's also meaning to their

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trade deadline vitals, which our first talking point right off

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the bat. They are less than two hundred and sixty

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thousand dollars into the tax i. Do not think that

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is going to stand. They cannot trade any first round picks.

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They can trade more up to two second round picks

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a hohold two seconds. They have a twenty twenty six

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pick it's the most favorable from Dallas, OKC and Philly,

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and then they have their own twenty twenty nine second

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round pick. They also have one of their trade exceptions

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expired the day that we're recording this, but they have

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two more two point three million from the Nurkics trade

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that expires the day after the trade deadline, so on

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the trade deadline, and they have three point three million

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dollars from trading Vassilier Micic that expires June thirty, twenty

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twenty six. That's kind of to say we needed to

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fill some space on the grid because those really aren't

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noteworthy trade exceptions. More, we will start with the first question,

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the answer to which I think is incredibly easy. Well,

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the Phoenix sounds duck the tax Yes, they absolutely are

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you sure that's a whole two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: I know, Look, yes, they I am pretty certain. I

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am pretty certain. The only question is going to be

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who are they going to send out? What's the deal?

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Speaker 1: Just the dump? I think it if I had to guess,

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it's probably Nick Richards is the guy that they're trying

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to figure out how to get rid of. But they

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also could do something where it's we'll get into targets

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and needs, but they're trading salary and then cheaper salary

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is coming back in. But if you're talking straight dump,

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I think Nick Richards. Could it be anybody else?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to do it with your Sheer

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believe in him long term.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna be Nigel Hayes Davis because the time

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Line podcast told me he was going to be a superstar, right.

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Speaker 2: Eh, Jalen Green, They're gonna dump forty three millions again? No,

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it's yeah, I agree with you. It's probably gonna be

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Nick Richards. They're gonna find like a center who's earning

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what like four and a half million or maybe not

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even the center screw that it's just someone.

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Speaker 1: Well, I actually so. I mean this leads me to

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my next question, are they good enough to buy? You're

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you have well, let's let's not even say good enough,

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but you don't have any controller first round picks. Moving forward,

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you are in the Western Conference playoff race as it stands.

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What is the incentive not to buy? What can you

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possibly do that would damage your or mortgage your future

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I hear what you're saying. I don't

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disagree with the notion, but let me answer that question

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by racing you another question, aren't they automatically just indirectly

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when Jalen Green comes back?

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Speaker 1: No, that's I mean, that's you want to call him

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their best mid season edition. Okay, cool, that's not buying, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, okay mister technicality. Fine, So who is the player

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would be who among Phoenix do you consider they absolutely

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can't move them off limits right now? Book?

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Speaker 2: Probably? I mean again, before the season, I actually had

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him as someone who would develop into a trade candidate

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because I thought they'd be so bad and they would

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I was fortunately very wrong about that, so he is

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right now locked in. We've heard the Suns themselves go

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to an extreme. But I just think in terms of reliability,

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even though he might not always take as many threes

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Speaker 2: Really, do you think he's said okay, I mean, if

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you're looking to get better, do you think I mean

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just for what he's making. Yeah, you can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't trade like Colin Gillespie or even Jordan Goodwin

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Speaker 2: And I would I would say that even though he's

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someone who's ass productive at six point two million at

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but if you're worried about what he cost you

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in restricted free agency, but you probably shouldn't be so

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well then you're not buying because and that was

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the answer that you were asking me, Like, if you're

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presume that they would be in that scenario, you're.

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Speaker 1: Selling the more. Well, yes, I don't think. I don't

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think a Mark Williams trade necessarily has to constitute selling

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if they were looking at I don't, I don't. I

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don't expect that. If you're trading Mark Williams alone, then yes,

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that would constitute selling. If you're using him as a

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way to step ladder, your way to someone better.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, that's that I agree with. Do you

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have is that they would almost have to be a

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big man, right because like they have spent very little

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time in developing Malo Watch, and I mean Nick Richards

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Speaker 1: Is that another player. There's a lot of guys that

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are just contributing above their pay grade. So you look

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pick stupid is because you have so many of these

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just cheaper guys to where it's oh no that you

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in the front court, and it's your big man setup

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is fine, Mark Williams, ohsoy Goodaro. It probably needs to

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come from the four spot, just because you have Devin Booker,

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Jordan Goodwin, Gillespie and Dylan Brooks. So like one two three,

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you're kind of set up. And I like Royce O'Neill,

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but it's just he's not going to generate his own offense.

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thrust going downhill. They do. I mean, the Suns, due

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to their credit, have plenty of lineups to war Booker's

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off the court, and they're still getting it done. And

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who's fitting within the larger context of a team that

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plays its ass off. I think that I'm I haven't

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done my All Star teams yet, but I think he's

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I do agree with you on that.

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looking at someone in the Jonathan Claminga range? Are you

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jonathan Minga is pretty bad, so I don't

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think it's hard to say better. I'll throw a name

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out to you, all right again, And I don't even

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have to provide the caveat. I will that they can't

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trade any first round They shouldn't trade any first round

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picks because they physically can't.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: What if it's just it's salary to get to Zion

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two seconds, Jalen Green? There's another? Is there like a

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player that you're willing to throw in there that you

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could just pedal us? Oh, this dude is semi interesting.

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Speaker 2: Like you're asking the wrong person because I am unreasonably

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high on Malo watch.

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Speaker 1: Why he was just drafted tenth overall. So if you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I but I at the same time, I'm

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of minutes he'd played this year? Was it eighty four?

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and so the tide is turning. That's starry chasm, folks. Yeah,

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opposed to giving up Grayson Allen in that deal. I'd

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then Nick Richard, Like that's how you're getting the money.

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for another year. God, that trade was fucking stupid.

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to good Win two done, well, not done. He's more

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Speaker 1: What's the mega construction. It's sixty nine point five million

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Speaker 2: Is slightly difficult, but like it's it's an interesting thought

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think he's a very underrated shooter. I think I like

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him a lot more in the fabric of this offense,

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like he would come in immediately and just be able

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to catch and shoot, like he he won't have to

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like incorporate his himself into like some advanced in some

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condvanced advanced capacity, like he's fucking playing.

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Speaker 1: I just on a team that plays the way that

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Phoenix does. I really would love to see Zion Williamson

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on it, just because adds the speed element on offense,

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and they just right everyone tries so fucking hard on

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the I don't know why I'm cussing so much of

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this podcast, but the Suns this season are bringing it out.

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It may they try. They just play so damn hard

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that it could be infectious for him on and we've

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seen Zion when he's locked in defensively can do a

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lot of like defensive playmaking type stuff. But I don't

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know if according to Joe Dumars, they're not training Zion

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Williams and so it probably takes assets to get him,

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which if I'm Phoenix, one you don't have them, but two,

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I think it's reasonable to save. Though Malawatch has shown

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you nothing this season. You don't give up the number

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who is just the number ten? Pick that easily for

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the Zion Williams in dice roll.

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Speaker 2: What about Tara Easton?

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Speaker 1: I mean he fits the Phoenix Suns motif. I don't

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know if he does. I'm I was more so trying

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to gear towards even if they're not guaranteed to I

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feel like this team would need some like offensive bank ability.

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Speaker 2: You don't think he's got that. I think he's been

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sort of like hidden away in Houston for a long while.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I think he needs a new destination where he can

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really open up offensively. I think there's another place.

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Speaker 1: What do you trust him to do offensively? Like, what

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have you seen from him offensively that makes you think

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he comes in and so I actually knocked down threes, sure,

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and maybe playing drive, but you see layers beyond that.

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Speaker 2: I do think him taking the ball off the back

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court and actually being a little bit of a one

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man transition army is something that was grotesquely underutilized in

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Houston for a bit. So I do think he's got

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some on bald juice. Very specific on bald juice. I'm

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not expecting him to come in and you know, call

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for a screen and you know, take pull up midies

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or anything of that sort. But I do think there's

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something there that could be unleashed. I also think, especially

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with Book, who's such a smart screen and roll guy,

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pick and roll situations where they have, you know, I

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spread out offense like Brokes is in the corner and Alan,

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depending on what you give up it's in the other corner.

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Just spacing everything out and giving him more opportunity to

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attack the rim. I think that could be interesting. But

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more offensively potent and established or I guess if we

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haven't seen enough attory. So just as an example, I'm

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not having Tari Easan is the better player. Naji Marshall,

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you know, can go end to end, you know, can

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have those half court drives, and so Tari Easan's the

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better floor spacer at this point, but Naji Marshall feels

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more dependable for oh, we have this other downhill thread

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or someone you put the ball in his hands and no,

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he's not gonna create side to side necessarily, but can

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do a lot of the North South stuff. What about

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he's insured but a slightly used Obi toppin Is that

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something you could use?

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Speaker 1: Ah, the energy for this team, yes, I don't think

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he if I'm gonna go the route of someone who

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doesn't have the ball in their hands, I need them

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to fit more of Phoenix's defensive motif than he can. Yeah,

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do you want my nuclear option?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Please?

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Speaker 1: This no self creation? Maybe maybe he develops into it.

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He's also injured. What if this team has buyer's remorse

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from giving him a contract extension this summer? Kegan Murray?

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Speaker 2: Oh, then it's not to be a trade deadline deal, right,

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because he's poisoned.

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Speaker 1: He's poison pilled. But so he counts as eleven point

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one million dollars in outgoing money for the Kings, and

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he's twenty five point two million dollars in inbound money

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for our purposes the Suns. Right, that's a fourteen point

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one million dollar gap, not unbridgeable, especially when you have

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a team like the Brooklyn Nets kind of floating around

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out there, right, Right, So if it's just salary and

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seconds or maybe are you even considering giving balow Watch

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up for Keigan Murray would that.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I won't lie and say I'm not intrigued,

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because that is the kind of power forward who I

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actually think could be really fun in Phoenix. And he

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probably also needs to change the scenery because let's be really,

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it hasn't been a it hasn't been good and I

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don't think he ever saw the realistic developing curve in Sacramento,

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So like I would be interested to see him come

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to an organization like Phoenix. Not to say that that

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the Sums don't have issues, because it seems like every

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other year they have a ton of them. But at

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least with book there's a certain baseline present. But like

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you got that trade has to be expanded, it has

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to be complicated. Uh yeah, I mean is he worth

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all that squeeze? Like what would the ultimate I need

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to know the parameters of this deal before I'm like

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fully invested.

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Speaker 1: So Phoenix's money, you have the Jallen Green is thirty

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three point six. He doesn't necessarily need to be part

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of that, So you could do a Grayson Allen and

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Royce O'Neil in Fury gets you. That's the money that

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Phoenix needs to match. And if you're also sending out Malawatch.

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Is it unreasonable to think that, I don't know, do

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the nets just like, do the nets just take Royce

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O'Neill in the cap space.

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Speaker 2: Just for nothing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean Royce Moniel is good. You don't think

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that's someone they can flip for seconds next year over

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the offseason.

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Speaker 2: I I think they're absolutely looking this deadline to squeeze

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the everlasting fuck out of whoever they can who's coming

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up against the tax.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so I mean you throw them a second round pick.

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This is We're not dealing with tax issues here, so no.

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Speaker 2: No, no, But I'm saying I think they are. I

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think they are reserving that cap space to at least

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try to squeeze out at first from somebody. This is

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gonna work that. I'm not saying it will, but like

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it could be a fallback option.

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Speaker 1: I guess he gets tricky from Sacramentos. And because who

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are you else are you sending out for? Well, I

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guess it doesn't matter if they're sending if you're getting Malawatch,

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and if you were getting Grayson Allen, you need to

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send somebody else out that gets a little difficult. You

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could you could do it though, Like, could you call

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there's two seconds enough to get the Nets to take

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on Shrewder.

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Speaker 2: I think they deemed Malowatch should take on Shrewder?

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Speaker 1: Right, do the Kings even want Matt? Like I guess

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in this scenario, if you're willing to call Mulligan on

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Keegan Murray, are you concerned with getting Malwatch? Maybe not?

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So is it Malo Watch and Royce O'Neill to Brooklyn

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for cheap player Xes going to Sacramento?

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Speaker 2: That would do it. I mean, I'm pretty sure that

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the Nets would look at Malowatch and say that's the

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price of admission.

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Speaker 1: So then in that scenario, should they take on Grayson Allen?

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Because we're saying that the Kings, you give the Kings

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Royce O'Neill. Maybe give the Kings Hayward high Smith and

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Royce O'Neill, and then the Nets take on Malowatch and

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Grayson Allen and then the Sun Keegan Murray. I would

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do that if seconds go somewhere, maybe maybe Sacramento. That

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just as someone who's a Keegan Murray truther. That would

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be such a bummer from Sacramento.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, Kings fans would hate it. But they

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hate their team already, so what's the harm. That's interesting though,

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that was the nuclear trade.

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Speaker 1: It'd be more interesting if Phoenix had more assets to

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play around with, right, I agree.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking something along the lines of John Collins.

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But the Clippers are actually showing life as of late,

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so and the matching money is what difficult in that

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day because he's at twenty six point six, So like

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you would have to.

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Speaker 1: Are you giving them Jalen Green or it's Grace and

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Allen and Royce O'Neil.

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Speaker 2: Probably have to be Yeah, Jalen Green, and then you

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were probably getting up stuff for the Clippers. But like

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the Clippers even interested in young players.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Jalen Green when he's healthy could give them

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some athleticism that they need, that they really need. But

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that's also they're concerned about preserving cap space. And he

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has another two guaranteed years when you factor in the

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player option, so that would even Grayson Allen would be

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a non starter for them too because he's got the

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two guaranteed years left. Ditto for Royce O'Neal, no player option,

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just two more guaranteed years left.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well that sucked then, yeah, is there really,

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there aren't really a whole lot of like scoring force

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left in the league.

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Speaker 1: I feel like not a foolish Randall doing these days.

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It's actually playing pretty well for me.

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Speaker 2: He's actually I was about to say he's playing pretty

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well in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Ruey would be super. I just don't think. I don't

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think they have the stuff to get them. Looking in

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Memphis sanci al Dama, they probably do have the stuff

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to get him.

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Speaker 2: That'd be interesting, like Grayson Allen for sanci al Damo,

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like framework, Yeah, if.

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Speaker 1: You're I mean, if Memphis is blowing it up. Anyways,

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Grayson had already been in Memphis, he played for I

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feel like he's played for so many teams. No, yes,

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I was.

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Speaker 2: I was sitting with the exact same thought.

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Speaker 1: Has he been there, let's see Grayson Allen has Yeah,

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he wasn't Memphis of the two seasons. That's right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, great, they want we both got mental pictures of

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something and we've connected it. That that is progress for

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someone like for people like us. Yeah, okay, so I

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returned to Memphis for for Grayson Allen? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Would I mean, I don't know if you have the

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compensation to do it. This is more of a combo

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forward look. But does Andrew Wiggins interest you for this team?

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Speaker 2: Scoring, defense, quality, rebounding, moves the ball. Yeah, I don't

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hate that. That's a good shout. He can play the four,

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he can play the three too. He's assuming the heat.

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Speaker 1: Would hate whatever the Sons are going to offer, though,

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would be the caveat there. I Helton Johnson would be

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really interesting. Talk about a guy that's having a good season.

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Speaker 2: I would be surprised if the Spurs are open to

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that same. Yeah, they're there, that's that's true. And also

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Kelton is more for three than a four if we're

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being real. He's six y five. I think the Sons

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have guys who can guard up that could help. But yes,

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that is a that's a really good point. Yeah, he

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wants someone. That's why I brought up at DAMA, because

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he's like six ten, six to eleven at least, if

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not seven feet out right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think my favorite name, I mean ki It

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Murray's my actual favorite name, but I think Ruey would

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probably be my favorite name. Like I don't my nause.

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I said that before PG. Washington can't be traded. He'd

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be interesting for this team.

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Speaker 2: So this is like, I don't want to call him

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a second draft guy quite yet, but like, what about

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Gigi Jackson if we're staying in Memphis. That's a bit

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of an upside play.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think you should absolutely call him

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a second draft guy at this point. But that would right,

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who else can we trade from Memphis to the Suns?

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Speaker 2: Let's keep going, there's this guy who signed a two

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hundred and forty million No.

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Speaker 1: No, man, would they be Okay, No, I won't even

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say it. Actually, that'll I think that'll get some Suns

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fans mad.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is a good podcast, I will say something. No,

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I won't great podcast.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what if they were just looking

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to get off the money, and maybe you're even getting

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assets from the Sixers, but you could match the salaries

471
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and get Paul George on your team.

472
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Speaker 2: Oh man, all right, So so they'll look interesting for

473
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like twenty games per year.

474
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Speaker 1: Well, they clearly don't need Paul George right now, so

475
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he'd be purely additive when he does. Right, What if

476
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he's injured at the moment. What if Portland's just looking

477
00:24:38,839 --> 00:24:41,119
to break up to Monty Kamara to Monty Kamara. No,

478
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that's not Jeremy Grant into smaller contracts. M M.

479
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Speaker 2: That's a scoring power forward right there. Not too old.

480
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,640
If it's the timeline of book can shoot get to

481
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the pain. It's a big salary commitment.

482
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's also I don't even know what the

483
00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:05,920
construction because Portland's not gonna want Jaoen Green, So you

484
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,839
need a third team to be complicated, you do also

485
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,079
need a third team for this, But what about reuniting

486
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,319
with Kelly Ubre. Sixers are looking at duct attacks.

487
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Speaker 2: They are. I was about to say, they're probably looking

488
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:21,000
to shed some payroll. I was probably not gonna help Phoenix,

489
00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:25,799
who are also looking to shed some payroll. That's why

490
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you would need a third team, right that's Brooklyn again

491
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:29,519
calling out Brooklyn.

492
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Speaker 1: I mean we're dealing with low enough numbers though that

493
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you could like teams with a trade exception, like a

494
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Washington Utah.

495
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Speaker 2: If you throw in Trendon Watford. I wouldn't hate it

496
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for Phoenix. He's good. I know he's not playing right

497
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now out of the rotation, but like.

498
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Speaker 1: He makes it easier to get him then though.

499
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he played well early in the year. I don't

500
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think that's a coincidence. Shocker you I've liked him for

501
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:59,039
a while. Yes, ooh, this is this is iffy?

502
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Speaker 1: What about?

503
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Speaker 2: All right? So when he covers up dust on the bench,

504
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,200
who's bringing the bucket? You or me? Oh?

505
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Speaker 1: So you wouldn't even play him?

506
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Speaker 2: I would play him? But like, what's the upside there?

507
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's playing over twenty minutes a game for

508
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,240
Los Angeles, he's shooting over forty seven from three or points?

509
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Speaker 2: Is the averaging dan?

510
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Speaker 1: What?

511
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Speaker 2: Okay?

512
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Speaker 1: But as a ball mover and someone like you said.

513
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Speaker 2: The offensive minded for a man who could score the ball,

514
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:39,119
how many points is he averaging? Mister Favali, he is

515
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,680
at Was he four point nine points per game?

516
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Speaker 1: Yeah? He's at five point seven over the past month.

517
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Speaker 2: So screw oh wow the offense power forward that they need.

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he would help the team, though you're worried.

519
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,400
You were talking about you wanted them to get another

520
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point guard. That's someone who could definitely keep the ball moving,

521
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:02,359
lean into their versatility element.

522
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Speaker 2: All right, I mean, but tuone would help them. I'm

523
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,400
just saying he wouldn't. But like you, we were trying

524
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,880
to identify offensive minded power forwards. You're bringing up someone toss.

525
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Speaker 1: Reed, that's not they don't have enough to get him. Yeah,

526
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,200
they could definitely get Kyle Kuzma, but they shouldn't.

527
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: Why would they. Yeah, Patrick Williams, come on down. No,

528
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no thing, Oh no, no, I was very much kidding.

529
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Speaker 1: Uh. I really don't have anybody else here. This This

530
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,640
is like a tough it's a tough spot for them

531
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to fill. But I think that they there are names

532
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,920
out there that maybe they would be able to get

533
00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:38,359
even with the assets they have available that I think,

534
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,400
at least if there's not the perfect or the idealistic fit,

535
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does help their team, which is already just an insanely

536
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:45,640
dangerous team.

537
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Speaker 2: I still like the Rui idea.

538
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Speaker 1: The shooting with Ruy is i mean mid range from

539
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:55,200
beyond the arc is huge. The lack of self creation though,

540
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,240
and it so it kind of comes down to we're

541
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focusing on the scoring. Is is it fine that this

542
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,279
player is almost entirely complimentary or do you need someone

543
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,000
that has a little bit more of the on ball

544
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,039
pizazz to them.

545
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Speaker 2: I would prefer the off ball or on ball posas.

546
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Speaker 1: But like I'm not I'm not being you know, you

547
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:18,480
can't be I mean you can't be choosy as Phoenix.

548
00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,000
It's just at the behest of that market.

549
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Speaker 2: And like, I also don't think that Rui is entirely

550
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just an off ball guy. Like he'll take, you know,

551
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:32,119
he'll be able to take or rather utilize straight line

552
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:33,680
drives and stuff like that. I don't hate it.

553
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: And look, look he can't get to his mid range,

554
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so there's like some one and two dribble stuff from

555
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him there too.

556
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Speaker 2: I don't know if.

557
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Speaker 1: It's just different, like the ecosystem that you had in

558
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or have with the Lakers compared to what you have

559
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with the Suns. It's like you're going from having two

560
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:53,480
of Austin Reeves, Lebron or Luca on the floor during

561
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,039
most times to right, all right, Devin Booker is a

562
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respected threat. But yeah, he's at fifty four percent pull

563
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,559
up to this this year. I'm sold Rui it is,

564
00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,079
which is also why he's almost too good. That's the

565
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,240
problem for Phoenix. They need someone that's a little has

566
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,440
more like fringe value or distressed value to go. Fortunately,

567
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,759
that's not our problem. Well, I mean it's a little

568
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:15,559
bit of our problem.

569
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Speaker 2: It's really not.

570
00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:20,799
Speaker 1: I'm not employees has Elijah Martin made Mamu expendable in Toronto.

571
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,440
Maybe maybe they go after that between Murray Boyles. Why mom,

572
00:29:26,599 --> 00:29:28,519
Maybe Mamo comes and plays like thirty five minutes a

573
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game in Phoenix.

574
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Speaker 2: You wouldn't want that, see that now we're talking. That

575
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would be fine if Mamo comes in and plays more minutes.

576
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I'm for it.

577
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Speaker 1: Okay, this would make no sense from Washington's perspective, But

578
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:45,039
if you could, if you could, what about Chris Middleton?

579
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:49,559
See how much gas is left in that tank?

580
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,839
Speaker 2: Not a lot, right, Like he can play a half

581
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,480
a game, but like when he does, it's pretty effective.

582
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,319
Although he hasn't hit the three well this.

583
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: Year, he is over the past month after about it

584
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,759
as many points as Nicholas Patoom.

585
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Speaker 2: That's not helping. Okay, Marvin Backley, there we go.

586
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:16,519
Speaker 1: Honestly, do you think they have well, he's been playing

587
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:17,920
well this season, but do you think that they have

588
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,759
the defensive infrastructure to insulate him?

589
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Speaker 2: Who cares? He's six eleven, he scores any boards and

590
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,119
he shoots. It's fine.

591
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Speaker 1: That's a cheap option too. That's an easy guy to get. Well.

592
00:30:29,079 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't know what Washington wants for him, of course,

593
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,599
but no but he's just he's been super efficient, So

594
00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:35,839
I'm just like, why not?

595
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Speaker 1: And they do have guys, They have at least a

596
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couple of guys who could get that. He does seem

597
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,480
a little too predicated on someone might need to get

598
00:30:42,599 --> 00:30:46,240
him the ball. But you do have Book here, who

599
00:30:46,279 --> 00:30:48,119
I still think is one of the more underrated passers

600
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in the league. So there's that to consider. Now, I

601
00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:52,440
have a final question for you, unless you have any

602
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,759
other targets that we didn't get to, no, I don't.

603
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:59,640
Do you think there's an all the element of a

604
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,680
miss opportunity. They've sat here and effectively they didn't effectively,

605
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,480
say Matt Hbos said, Dylan Brooks isn't being traded. I

606
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:09,559
know they don't have control over their future draft picks,

607
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:12,200
but when you're looking at some of the guys Brooks specifically,

608
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,200
who might be operating at the peak of their value,

609
00:31:14,759 --> 00:31:18,240
do you think that they should more seriously consider exploring

610
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,960
the market for those players to where you're getting worse,

611
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,039
but you might be getting picks and or young players

612
00:31:25,079 --> 00:31:28,559
who could help your long term cause. Yes, Grayson Allen

613
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in particular, Yes, the things I don't know that Grayson

614
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,720
Allen is getting you that much, right.

615
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: That's no. But like what my point is that he's

616
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playing probably the best ball of his career. I would

617
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:48,119
argue at least close to it. So there's a reason,

618
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,960
or there's an argument to be made that his value

619
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could be at an all time high like Brooks, I

620
00:31:54,359 --> 00:31:57,160
think is the clear one, but like I just I

621
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,319
don't find it realistic. Also, I think I think there

622
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:03,319
are some teams in the league who are just like well, like,

623
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,920
even though his volume is up, his efficiency is still

624
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:12,519
somewhat spotty. Like do we trust him in the offensive capacity?

625
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,440
Do we trust like he doesn't really do a whole

626
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,759
lot else. He's a defender, sure, but like he doesn't board,

627
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:21,880
he doesn't really playmake he's he is what he is,

628
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:26,160
and it's not a multi faceted player. So what is

629
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:26,720
his value?

630
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Speaker 1: I think you could probably get two first round picks

631
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:35,200
for him. He's shooting like sixty plus percent on fadeaway jumpers.

632
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,480
The three is Diplow thirty five percent. It's been a

633
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,680
little bit higher in recent weeks. But you're right about

634
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,480
the I think a lot of the rebounding stuff probably

635
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,039
comes down to the defensive assignments that he has he's

636
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,119
right on the rebound. He's certainly not play makings.

637
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 2: It's just I hear you.

638
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: It's too first from a contender. There's not a rebuilding

639
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
team that's coming in and giving you two first from No.

640
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 2: It's just like again, it's just when when I keep

641
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,319
going back to the tree young deal, right, and I'm

642
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:01,200
just now two firsts for Brooks. But like I get it,

643
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:04,720
like if it's like late twenties or something, all right, yeah,

644
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,839
I'll do that. I just don't think the Suns would,

645
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:10,400
which No, I don't know they've said us much. Yeah,

646
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:14,480
do you have anything else on the Suns, sir?

647
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Do you? I expect them to. Who's there most likely

648
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,240
player to be traded for you? I think we agree

649
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:23,400
on Nick Richards. Yes, I'm probably with you there, and

650
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:25,319
I think they'll I think they're gonna end up buying.

651
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:27,039
I think they try to make an upgrade to this team.

652
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:28,799
By the dead they might just let it ride, but

653
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,359
I'd be shocked if they sold. I'll tell you that

654
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,119
much at this point.

655
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Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm just I love it when good seems buy

656
00:33:36,599 --> 00:33:39,440
because it does feel as a vote of confidence in

657
00:33:39,519 --> 00:33:42,200
the roster construction. And I always think that's a good thing.

658
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:47,599
So I'm also a little tired of like financially driven trades.

659
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,079
I know we'll see this with them too.

660
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:50,799
Speaker 1: Well they're about to make ones.

661
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: Well they're about to make one, but like if they

662
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,160
can finagle something while also.

663
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Speaker 1: You know, they just can't ruin the vibes after the

664
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:00,839
past few seasons that we've had to log through with them,

665
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,240
the anyone who comes in needs to fit the vibes,

666
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,359
which I guess undermines my zion point.

667
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 2: Yes it does.

668
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,519
Speaker 1: Can you tell our audience where they can find you

669
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:11,599
and all the work that you do, sir?

670
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: Yes, sorry, you can find me. We'll break out Who's Sports.

671
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:15,960
You can listen to the NBA podcast and if you

672
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:19,679
understand Danny Issue can listen to Muster Beezer or catch

673
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,760
recalling games on HBO Max.

674
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Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, with the shout out

675
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,239
of one, the only, the indelible, mister Frank Niha Kima