WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:08.000 Hello everyone, Leslie here. So for this special commentary episode, 2 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:12.039 we are watching the film Man Hunter, the Director's Cut, 3 00:00:12.080 --> 00:00:16.399 which clocks in at two hours and four minutes. This 4 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:18.399 one may be a little bit harder to track down, 5 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:21.640 but trust me, it is worth it for the some 6 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.679 of the additional footage. But if you can't track it down, 7 00:00:24.719 --> 00:00:28.160 don't worry about too much because it's only about four 8 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:31.600 minutes longer and you can get in sync pretty easily. 9 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:35.880 All right, So we're gonna start the film on go 10 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:42.439 three two one go. 11 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:43.159 There we go. 12 00:00:43.359 --> 00:00:46.359 Yeah, I'm playing perfect, do you know? Dealer? 13 00:00:46.560 --> 00:00:49.520 Wow, that's the mark of quality. That really is the 14 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:50.439 mark of quality. 15 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:52.520 You can just tell by the font. 16 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:54.560 Is a good truly? 17 00:00:54.679 --> 00:00:57.000 Actually, to be honest with you, they should add a 18 00:00:57.000 --> 00:00:59.679 little wiggle vision to fonts and movies. 19 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:03.679 Well, hello everyone, welcome to Struggle Session. 20 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:06.239 I'm Leslie the IID, I'm Jack Allison. 21 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:09.400 I'm Shannon Strucci and today we are doing a very 22 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:15.159 special commentary episode of one of my favorite films with 23 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:18.640 one of my favorite people and favorite guests, Will Millinker 24 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:21.959 of Chapol chap Rosse. Thank you so much for joining us. 25 00:01:22.640 --> 00:01:25.719 Seeing is the primary way through which my fantasy is 26 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:31.480 made real. You like watching movies, don't you cheat? Sport, 27 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:35.799 You've seen this movie before, Sport. 28 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:39.760 A joy to be here with you. Watch I'm ready 29 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:40.519 to hunt some Men. 30 00:01:40.879 --> 00:01:44.920 Yeah, oh great, already this like the like super fucking 31 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:50.000 creepy like snuff footage that this opens with. Already so good. 32 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:51.359 So terrifying. 33 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:54.519 I am a huge, huge fan of this movie, which 34 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:57.719 I'm ashamed to say I didn't watch until many, many 35 00:01:57.799 --> 00:02:00.799 years later because people we all we talk about like, 36 00:02:00.799 --> 00:02:03.519 oh this is they did a hambal lecter one in 37 00:02:03.560 --> 00:02:05.560 the eighties, and like it wasn't that good. It was 38 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:06.599 nearly it was. 39 00:02:07.519 --> 00:02:10.280 People are unkind to this because of some Yeah, it's 40 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:10.759 pretty hard. 41 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:13.199 For this movie to get out underneath the shadow of 42 00:02:13.319 --> 00:02:14.919 the limbs. And like I don't even know, Like I 43 00:02:14.919 --> 00:02:16.560 couldn't even say which one is better. I mean, I 44 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.759 think they're both unalloyed masterpieces. 45 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:21.120 Yeah, so they're so different. 46 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:25.919 Oh, this opening shot here of Crawford wonderful on the beach. 47 00:02:25.919 --> 00:02:30.560 Here, this is the eighties right here, the pure eighties. 48 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:34.960 Oh yeah, some amazing Bill Peterson shorts. 49 00:02:35.159 --> 00:02:39.879 Here's the two types of eighties men, sleaveless beach man 50 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:44.400 and a business fella both with perms. 51 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:52.159 Oh wonderful, wonderful. So, uh, what's your history? Well, all 52 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.439 y'all's history of the film. I just only watched a 53 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:56.680 couple of years ago, fell in love with it, have 54 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.879 watched it maybe four or five times since, Like it's 55 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.159 the one that I can do over and over again. 56 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.360 Mine is also similar to yours. I watched it earlier 57 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:08.400 than a couple of years ago, Like I think I 58 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:10.479 did end up watching it maybe in my early twenties 59 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:13.960 or something like that. But I also had been fed 60 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:16.120 the line that like, oh, this is like the lesser 61 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:20.199 prequel or whatever, it's not as good, and you know, 62 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:25.319 I I I it's they're they're both just very good movies. 63 00:03:25.319 --> 00:03:28.080 If anything, everyone should be like, wow, the Hannibal Lecter 64 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.080 story can like take on so many forms, so impressive, 65 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:35.280 and like they're all good. But yeah, I watched it 66 00:03:35.319 --> 00:03:37.879 a little later than Silence of the Lambs, and uh, yeah, 67 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:40.360 I think it's it's it's a it's one of the 68 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:42.879 Man classics. I've watched it a number of times since then. 69 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:49.919 I had a friend who like obsessively loved this movie 70 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:52.879 and got me to watch it, and I watched it 71 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.080 with some other friends who are like big film people. 72 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:57.080 So that was really fun, just like one of those 73 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.840 fun hangout like movie experiences. And I liked it a lot. 74 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.000 It's kind of hard coming off of Silence of the 75 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:05.520 Lambs and Hannibal because you get two very different, like 76 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:10.400 preconceived notions of the Harris Cannon or whatever. But like 77 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:12.919 y'all were saying, it's just really cool that different people 78 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.199 can interpret the same story in different ways. And I 79 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:18.519 liked it a lot. I think I'm gonna enjoy rewatching it. 80 00:04:19.399 --> 00:04:21.319 It's like, you know, like like Michael Mann in this 81 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:24.040 and then Jonathan Deming and Son s Lambs is just 82 00:04:24.079 --> 00:04:26.959 like the color palettes of these two movies cannot be 83 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.439 more radically different, you know. And Son Salams is so 84 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:32.759 sort of like brown and dark green and gray, and 85 00:04:32.759 --> 00:04:36.839 this is just that Michael Man like dreamy hyper realism 86 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:40.000 of like Neon and like Nighttime and just like yeah, 87 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:43.439 like this cool, very cool sort of like uh like 88 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:46.600 Neon color palette, like a. 89 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.160 Cool intensity, yeah, white heat. 90 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:52.519 So like you know, starting right away at least just 91 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.639 like in because like you know, this is this is 92 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:56.600 the the origin story, Like this is this is the 93 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:57.879 first Thomas Sarah's novel. 94 00:04:57.959 --> 00:04:59.920 This is like the introduction. 95 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.600 Of this whole universe, you know, Jack Crawford and hitt 96 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.279 Able Electer and all this ship and as you see 97 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:07.120 in you know, Hannibal the TV show and in this 98 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:10.879 right off the bat, Jack Crawford such a fucking asshole, 99 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:15.639 like just such a jerk, like interrupting this guy's like 100 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:18.959 nice life after he's been traumatized and just slides those 101 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:20.839 photos over to him knowing what it'll do. 102 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:22.040 Oh man. 103 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:26.680 Yeah. 104 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.199 One of the things that I think makes the Hannibal 105 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:32.240 Elector series work so much is the fact that it 106 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:37.079 portrays the FBI is mostly like clueless assholes for the 107 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:41.199 most part. More more or less, I think the film 108 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.879 Silence of the Lambs kind of made you know, Clarice smarter, 109 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:49.000 more noble, Jack Crawford more noble. But on the whole, 110 00:05:49.120 --> 00:05:52.000 like this series kind of endures where a lot of 111 00:05:52.040 --> 00:05:54.000 the like pass and ship. 112 00:05:54.399 --> 00:05:57.759 Look at that Oh my god, beautiful wow. 113 00:05:59.199 --> 00:05:59.480 Wow. 114 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.759 Now, Leslie, I mean I was thinking about it because 115 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:03.639 I was just speaking to you a little earlier, like, 116 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:07.319 you know, I just rewatched all of all Hannibal, like 117 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.519 that was the second time, going away all the way. 118 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:10.040 Through it nice. 119 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:12.160 Yeah, and you know, I'd seen it before, but like 120 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.399 the thing that struck me more than anything rewatching Hannibal 121 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:18.000 the TV series and then you can see glimpses of 122 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:18.279 it and. 123 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.639 This as well. I was like, what what does Jack 124 00:06:20.680 --> 00:06:22.040 Crawford actually do? 125 00:06:22.600 --> 00:06:24.600 Like what does he bring to the table for like 126 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.160 any murder investigations? 127 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:27.959 Like yeah, like. 128 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:32.040 He just like he just makes will disassociate and he's 129 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:34.000 just like if he was on his own, he'd be 130 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.600 like I don't I don't know, like did anyone use 131 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:38.319 a credit card? 132 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.759 Or can we frame some fucking poor teenager for this? 133 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:42.319 I don't know. 134 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:48.560 Like I did not know you could get this color 135 00:06:48.639 --> 00:06:50.279 on screen until I saw this field. 136 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:51.600 Yeah. 137 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:57.079 Yeah, this is like pre traffic, like all the digital 138 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.800 retouching too, so he was like able to get it 139 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:01.720 all blue like in camera. 140 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:03.839 I mean it must be some kind of trick, Like 141 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:05.920 I don't know, he's just waiting for the perfect hour 142 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:06.839 like minute. 143 00:07:07.519 --> 00:07:10.199 Yeah, there are different color processes in film too. It 144 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.000 was probably some kind of horrible combination of like fifteen 145 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.120 different things they had to get precisely right. 146 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.000 Yeah, I mean it looks it looks so like. 147 00:07:19.800 --> 00:07:22.920 Also very important diversience here between the Michael Mann version 148 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:24.920 and the Brian Fuller version. Is it like, you know, 149 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:30.759 Will Graham FUCKX, Like like he's a normal, like man's man. 150 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:33.120 He's a little bit traumatized or whatever, but you know, 151 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:35.079 like he's he's just he's he's more of a regular 152 00:07:35.199 --> 00:07:38.399 FBI guy rather than the Hu Dancy version of Will Graham, 153 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.480 who's like, you know, neuroatypical like that. 154 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:45.279 You know. Yeah, it feels like oh and also gay. 155 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.399 Oh yes, but besides that, Yeah, but yeah, this is 156 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:53.759 kind of a I really like William Peterson as Will Graham. 157 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:56.759 I think he does a really good interesting job as 158 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:00.839 like a leading a semi kind of eight typical leading 159 00:08:01.240 --> 00:08:03.759 man in this movie. I think he really brings a 160 00:08:03.800 --> 00:08:07.800 lot to the character. And just comparing this to what 161 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:11.120 he does on CSI is just really funny because that's 162 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.399 the like one of the most boring characters. 163 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:14.040 Yeah. 164 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:19.439 Yeah, and like you know what this movie portrays is 165 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:22.439 like I think Michael Man did this right after Thief, 166 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:25.040 which I think was his first like feature film after 167 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.439 being like a like a showrunner for many years famously 168 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:31.240 with Miamivice. But like like Michael Mann movies like pretty 169 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.440 much all of them. But 'ess just like this movie 170 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.519 Thief Heat The Insider, Like what Michael Man does is 171 00:08:37.519 --> 00:08:39.679 he does movies about men at work. Like that's really 172 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.919 what he's interested in, is like men doing a job 173 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:44.879 and like everything else is secondary to that. 174 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:47.840 And it's both whether you're a cop or a criminal. 175 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:49.840 It's just like he really wants like the details of 176 00:08:49.879 --> 00:08:52.480 like how men work, how they focus on it, and 177 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:54.720 like just like doing the job is this kind of 178 00:08:54.759 --> 00:08:58.320 existential paradigm for a man in the modern world. 179 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:04.279 Yeah, it's all. It's all doing a man, a man 180 00:09:04.360 --> 00:09:08.320 doing a job in a kind of VHS aesthetic with 181 00:09:08.559 --> 00:09:11.279 you know, heavy synth, like with heavy and this is 182 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.000 not this is a very this is a very U 183 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.759 film aesthetic. But there's something very like I always like 184 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:19.399 how there's something like very sort of like documentary or 185 00:09:19.480 --> 00:09:21.679 like very flat about Michael Mann's look. 186 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:23.039 I mean, yeah, and. 187 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:24.759 He wants to show you like it's not just about 188 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.440 like like a like a man doing their job and 189 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:29.879 going through the motions. It's about the struggle to do 190 00:09:30.399 --> 00:09:33.080 the job right, to do to do a job good, 191 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.039 which I think is like sort of like almost a 192 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:37.480 meta commentary on being a director or like trying to 193 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.120 make movies in Hollywood or as part of like a 194 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:41.279 TV studio. 195 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:41.679 Or anything like that. 196 00:09:41.759 --> 00:09:43.600 It's about the struggle and the toll it takes on 197 00:09:43.639 --> 00:09:46.600 you too to do something. Just do it like as 198 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.320 best as it can can possibly be done, like a 199 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:50.960 like this perfectionist element. 200 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:57.600 Yeah, I think maybe, I mean look you look at 201 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:00.279 you know heat. Yeah. Heat. 202 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.080 Heat is like the Avengers of men doing a job. Yeah, 203 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:06.519 it's like an examination one man doing a job. Heat 204 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.279 is like eight men all doing the job like the 205 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:11.879 best they can do, like jobbing against each other. 206 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:12.519 It's so good. 207 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:15.279 No, but but but also like with heat, with this, 208 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:17.879 with deep, it's it's also all about like you can 209 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:21.360 be the best, the best possible person for the job 210 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.879 and obsessed with every detail and not overlook anything. But 211 00:10:24.919 --> 00:10:27.200 there's always going to be something that goes wrong, always 212 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:28.240 going to be something like you can. 213 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:30.200 Never ever ever actually achieve perfection. 214 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:33.759 Okay, so this version of Will Graham does not have 215 00:10:33.840 --> 00:10:40.440 like the xerox wipe effects. 216 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.399 So will you you has some really interesting thoughts you 217 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:48.039 share with me about Hannibal. Why did you break down? 218 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:51.120 What did you think on the whole of the series. 219 00:10:51.279 --> 00:10:53.240 Of the TV series. I mean, like I said, it's 220 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:55.960 just uh. I was talking to Jack a little bit 221 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:57.399 about it for you got on here. It's like the 222 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:59.799 astounishing thing to me about Hannibal is that a it 223 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.799 on network TV during prime time, which is like a 224 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:06.960 considering how like absolutely grotesque. 225 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.360 It was, yeah, disgusting, But. 226 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:11.000 Like what I what I loved about the show is 227 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.240 that over the course of its three seasons, like it 228 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:18.039 transforms itself into two or three different shows like as 229 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:18.799 it goes along. 230 00:11:19.320 --> 00:11:20.960 So by the time of like the beginning. 231 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.919 Of like the first half of the third season is 232 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.919 like something unlike something that's ever been on television. It 233 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:31.039 is just this purely fantasmagorical like cycle, like like. 234 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.559 Just trippy, bizarre love story between two men. 235 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:38.279 We were talking about this right before the show. You know, 236 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:43.559 is there anyone else who can create like actually good 237 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:47.879 artistic network television like Brian Fuller like may be the 238 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:50.559 only like you know, there's there's good network television. Don't 239 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.799 even say like you watch CSI and I'm like that's 240 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:56.480 like super well constructed like storytelling or whatever. But I 241 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.000 you know, as far as doing this sort of elevated thing, 242 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.759 is Brian Fuller the only one I don't know, but I. 243 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:04.840 Remember reading because like obviously like Hannibals on Netflix now 244 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.240 and like it's you know, it's gained this whole other 245 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.840 new audience if people were discovering it for the first time, 246 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.240 and it's become very successful. 247 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:13.639 So Fuller has given a lot of. 248 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.320 Interviews about it, and I think, like the thing I 249 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:18.159 read that struck me is he said that like every 250 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:21.519 director they worked with on on and they had some 251 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:26.120 stacked fucking like old school like Peter maydac fucking John Dall, 252 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.039 Vincenzo Natale, Neil Marshall for at least one episode. No, 253 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:33.720 he just told like everyone like, look, we're not making 254 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:35.440 a network show, like just direct this like an. 255 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.600 Art film from the eighties, Like that's what the book 256 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:38.000 should be. 257 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:38.360 You know. 258 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:40.240 The only other person I actually I am thinking right now 259 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:44.519 is Lynch. Lynch did Twin Peaks and that television. 260 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.320 Yeah, Shan, you did a video on him that Actually 261 00:12:48.600 --> 00:12:51.759 your Hannibal video is why I looked you up, Shan 262 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:53.360 in the first Yeah. 263 00:12:53.440 --> 00:12:55.440 Yeah, that's one of my better ones. I've spent probably 264 00:12:55.480 --> 00:12:59.120 thirty hours watching interviewed footage and stuff like that. Yeah, 265 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:03.720 Fuller is fast, and he's had problems working on TV 266 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.360 shows trying to get like weird representation or more artistic stuff, 267 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.480 and his quit shows or after his left shows, they've 268 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.679 made characters that were gay, straight and stuff like that 269 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:11.799 really interesting. 270 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:12.440 I didn't know that. 271 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:15.519 I don't know if you saw this, but like in 272 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:18.679 this recent spate of interviews, one of the most astonishing 273 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.360 things that he said is that the network take a guess. 274 00:13:21.399 --> 00:13:24.639 The two actors that they suggested to play Hannibal instead 275 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:29.720 of Meds. They wanted either Hugh Grant or John Cusack, 276 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.279 and he was like, no, it's this guy or nothing. 277 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.399 And I gotta say wow. I mean obviously like he 278 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:41.440 had way more to work with of like developing this character, 279 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:44.279 but like Meds, like he leaves Anthony Hopkins in the dust. 280 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:47.519 I'm sorry, Like there is no better or deeper portrayal 281 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.279 than what Meds does in that because it's just like 282 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:53.320 it takes the cooking stuff to a whole other level. 283 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:56.559 But there's just something about Meds is like his face 284 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:57.960 just looks like a Roman. 285 00:13:57.759 --> 00:13:59.799 Like marble, like bust or something. 286 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:04.679 Yeah, has this icy, like like it's sort of eternal 287 00:14:04.759 --> 00:14:07.639 quality to it that like's just his little twitches and 288 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:12.279 little suggestions are so perverse and deep, Like he's incredible. 289 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.120 There's a shot in season two where he's trying I 290 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:17.240 don't spoiler for jet where he's slamming on a door 291 00:14:17.240 --> 00:14:19.080 to try to get in and he's throwing his entire 292 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:22.559 giant body against the door like an animal. Yeah, terrifying. 293 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.159 It's legitimately, like really scary, like Anthony Hopkins physically couldn't 294 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:26.440 have done. 295 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:28.320 He's like a little Welsh guy. 296 00:14:29.279 --> 00:14:32.960 You know, have you any of y'all read any of 297 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:33.519 the books. 298 00:14:34.000 --> 00:14:36.080 I've actually never read it any Thomas Sarah. 299 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:36.120 I know. 300 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.000 Yeah, so I read all the books, and I actually 301 00:14:39.120 --> 00:14:42.799 would recommend them. Like it's like an elevated version of 302 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:45.480 an airport thriller, Like it is a little bit better 303 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:48.200 than all the other ones. But hamble Lecter in the 304 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:51.759 book is a lot closer to Anthony Hopkins. He's small, 305 00:14:51.879 --> 00:14:55.879 he's kind of squat, he's not he's not particularly attractive, 306 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:00.240 and he one other detail he has six fingers on 307 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:07.919 one of his hands. Yes, in the novel. Yeah, but 308 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:10.039 the books are, you know, pretty pretty fun and good. 309 00:15:10.080 --> 00:15:13.080 Probably the most interesting change between the books and the 310 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:18.080 films is that Clarice is like not is like, uh 311 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.480 like just basically food for Hannibal. Lecter, He's they're not 312 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:26.559 really like competitive. Yeah no, no he yeah, like what 313 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:31.159 he does to Agent Scully in the Hannibal series is 314 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:36.519 basically what he does to Clarice in the in the book. 315 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:39.960 And yeah, and he wrote that and Thomas Ayris wrote 316 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.840 that part after the film version was released where Jodie 317 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:46.720 Foster made, you know, Clarice, you know this kind of 318 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:51.159 feminist icon, this really tough Bradh Fbi icon. And so 319 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:54.080 the first thing he has, you know, Clarice do in 320 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.120 the sequel book that he wrote is that he has 321 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:02.000 her shoot a black woman in while she's holding her 322 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.519 baby right on TV. 323 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:05.440 Yeah. 324 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:10.000 I remember the absolutely terrible Ridley Scott film of Hannibal 325 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:11.440 that that was very early on in the movie. 326 00:16:11.480 --> 00:16:14.799 Yeah, like they just kill some like yeah some yeah, terrible. 327 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:18.200 Yeah. So he was not a fan of any kind 328 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:22.600 of copad I guess coming from his work. Shouts still 329 00:16:22.639 --> 00:16:26.399 a real one. Thomas Harris wrote two more I rore 330 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:29.960 another dogshit sequel for money too. I love it. He 331 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:31.120 deliberately made it bad. 332 00:16:31.159 --> 00:16:32.039 I think. 333 00:16:33.200 --> 00:16:35.120 Fuller talked about if they could get the right. I 334 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:37.639 think they had rights issues with MGM for the Clary 335 00:16:37.759 --> 00:16:40.519 Starling character, but he was talking about making her black 336 00:16:40.960 --> 00:16:43.240 in the Hannibal TV show if he ever got to 337 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:45.799 that point or other stuff, that he would experiment with it. 338 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.240 Like I don't know, this is probably like eight years 339 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:50.960 ago when he was talking about this, but I thought 340 00:16:50.960 --> 00:16:51.720 that was interesting. 341 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:53.799 Well yeah, I mean you could play with a lot 342 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.279 like of her, like being always sort of an outsider, 343 00:16:57.519 --> 00:16:59.919 like always feeling eyes on her or like not like 344 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:03.279 you know, of the FBI, but not really like in it, 345 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:03.720 you know. 346 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:07.920 Yeah, they kind of just in the books, they just 347 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:13.279 made their like white trash. I guess. 348 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:15.480 You know what I see with your with your cheap 349 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.039 with your with your good bag and your cheap shoes, 350 00:17:18.279 --> 00:17:18.759 I see a. 351 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:35.960 Roobe and like this. These scenes that all the all 352 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:39.799 the tropes of the Serial Killer Hunters show shows that 353 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.599 we've seen so many, they all started with me, Like 354 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:44.880 all of them are just straight up from Manhunting, where 355 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:47.799 you get all the cops together and then the FBI 356 00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:49.920 agent you know, gets in front of them and just 357 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:54.400 blows their fucking you know, hac minds with his profile. 358 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:03.200 Well that's what I liked about the the other the 359 00:18:03.440 --> 00:18:07.119 Netflix suw mind Hunters. You know, they've they've moved on 360 00:18:07.160 --> 00:18:10.440 from hunting Men to hunt. What I liked about mind 361 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:12.440 Hunters is that, like, you know, it's about like the 362 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:16.400 creation of like, uh, the FBI's like Forensic Psychology Division. 363 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:17.799 But like, what I liked about the show is that 364 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:20.119 it does, you, I think, a subtle but pretty good 365 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:22.720 job of showing that it's complete bullshit and then like 366 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.720 it it hasn't actually caught anyone, and like like like 367 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:28.799 all of the worst serial killers got away with it 368 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:31.319 for fucking years and only got caught because of like 369 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:35.200 the dumbest possible mistakes. But especially like the first season 370 00:18:35.240 --> 00:18:37.039 of mind Hunter, like basically what it's about is the 371 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:41.599 FBI learning about sex for the first time. They're like 372 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.880 they're like, uh yeah, like there's this thing called masturbation 373 00:18:45.119 --> 00:18:47.200 that people are compelled to do. And then like all 374 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:50.359 the like uptight like teeth grinding psychos are just sort 375 00:18:50.359 --> 00:18:52.160 of like, I don't know, I've given you a long 376 00:18:52.240 --> 00:18:54.000 lease for this, but this is going too far. 377 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.480 I think the this is the director's cut of Manhunter. 378 00:19:04.279 --> 00:19:04.880 No longer. 379 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:07.920 I think this is maybe yeah, I'm not sure. 380 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.720 This was the one that available. This is what all 381 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:13.920 the torrent sites had. 382 00:19:14.200 --> 00:19:17.400 They had this, Well, then that's obviously the course. 383 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:25.519 Get the transfer on this scene looks a little different. 384 00:19:25.599 --> 00:19:32.640 Yeah, yeah, I believe this is the director's cut. We 385 00:19:32.680 --> 00:19:36.640 have the extra four minutes. Well, theatricals one twenty the directors 386 00:19:36.599 --> 00:19:38.480 directors is one. Yeah, and this you. 387 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:40.559 See, I think the Tom Newton has the like the 388 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:41.960 the red dragon tattoo. 389 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:44.640 Mm see this looks really different right here. 390 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:46.079 Yeah, is completely yeah. 391 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:50.599 Yeah, so we are watching it as Michael Man intended. Yes, yes, 392 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:58.880 so man, I feel like he is someone who just 393 00:19:58.960 --> 00:20:02.400 does not get the credit that he deserves. 394 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.720 Just a workhorse, Honestly, Michael Man like just like cracks 395 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:10.240 out hits like truly like a sort of like more 396 00:20:11.400 --> 00:20:13.920 I don't know, like an old time director or something 397 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:16.880 like that. Like he's just like quietly like churning out 398 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:17.880 bangers out there. 399 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:21.359 Oh he's he's like he's absolutely a no chair like 400 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:23.839 he's he's untouchable, Like nobody makes movies that look like 401 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:24.480