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Speaker 3: What target are into golf is about is helping a

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person establish that visualization of the target as they're executing

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their action. So is that conscious mind is occupied with

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the visualization of the target. That allows a non conscious

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mind to swing a golf club, and it will do

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so because you're giving it a clear statement of intention.

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Your conscious mind has a clear picture of what it's

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trying to achieve, and it allows a non conscious mind

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to follow through. A non conscious mind cannot carry out

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that action if you don't have a clear targeting mind.

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And that's the reason why many people struggle with this

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concept of target orientation. Because they look at their target

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threads but they don't see it. And because they don't

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see it when they look back at the ball, their

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attentional focus shifts away from target onto the ball, onto

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the takeaway, onto the water, onto the outer bounds, onto

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whatever it chooses to jump in. It comes the focus

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of your attention at that time, and the non conscious

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mind responds accordingly.

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Speaker 1: Target Oriented Golf with Colin Cromac. This is Golf Smarter.

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Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Colin.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, Fred. I'm delighted to be here a game.

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Speaker 4: It has been a long time since the first time

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you and I spoke, which was episode number one hundred

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and thirty seven back in July of two.

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Speaker 1: Thousand and eight.

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Speaker 4: So in six years time, I hope that you've done

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a lot of changing to your method of teaching, but

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maybe updated, perhaps, but I've been quoting it for the

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six years.

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Speaker 3: Well, I thank you for that, bread and you'll be placed.

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And you're pleased to know that my approach to golf

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and my methods that I've developed haven't changed. They are

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as consistent as today as they were six years ago.

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But interestingly enough, I've developed a collaboration with a gentleman

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in America called doctor Tony Paparo, and I would like

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to take the opportunity to introduce his work as well

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as mine Fred to give a refresher on target oriented

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golf and hopefully give you the opportunity to maybe talk

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to Dr Piparo with a follow up show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, spell his last name for me, please.

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Speaker 3: Pip a R.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and does he have a website as well?

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Speaker 3: Yes, it's found out mine.

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Speaker 4: My mind, mastery golf dot com. Okay, we will look

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into that absolutely. And as we're giving u ur ls,

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let's give yours too real quick to get get this started.

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Speaker 3: Yep. My website is target oriented golf dot com.

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Speaker 4: Target oriented goolf dot com. All right, Well, now people

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can listen and decide if they're going to go there

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or not. But let's let's talk about where do you

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want to start? Let me start, okay, because you know,

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again it's been a long time since we spoke. I've

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been talking about the four levels of competence for years,

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always trying to figure out every time I say it,

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I'm like, wait a minute, is that the order?

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Speaker 1: Did I get it? Is it you start with and

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then to conscient and you got to move.

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Speaker 4: So we're going to get into the details of that

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so you can really allow me to repeat it smoothly

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and not screw it up.

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Speaker 1: But I got it.

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Speaker 4: I got an email from a listener, John Pappas up

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in Santa Rosa, California, and he says, Hey, Fred, please

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bring back Colin Cromac.

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Speaker 1: He is onto something.

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Speaker 4: His insight, golfer a cycle between conscious competence and conscious incompetence.

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You're constantly dragging yourself back down to conscious incompetence. You

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never give yourself a chance to play golf intuitively. That

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was a quote from you, he says. And now what

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John says is this was a big light bulb moment

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for me. I've been playing golf for thirty years. For

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the first ten years, from ages to eleven to twenty two,

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I played intuitively unconscious competence down to a four handicap.

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Speaker 1: But for the last twenty years.

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Speaker 4: I've been dragging myself back down into conscious incompetence. Now

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I'm a fifteen handicap. What a drag, he says. Here's

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a list of teaching methods that I've tried, And when

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I say tried, I mean I committed to each method

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for one year at least one Ledbetter, two Stack Intilt,

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three Secret in the Mike May's right foot Inversion method four,

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Sean Clement Wrecking Ball Method five, Martin Ayers Wound right

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Arm six, John Erics and Bradley Hughes Advanced ball Striking,

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Flat Entry into Pack seven Shoemaker Fred Shoemaker Extraordinary Golf.

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Even when I stopped focusing on technique and started using

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Shoemaker's mental approach, I still approach the mental side as

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a technique versus just simply unconscious competence. This is, for example,

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Shoemaker's club throwing exercise as.

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Speaker 1: An eye opener.

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Speaker 4: So I started thinking about my swing as a throw,

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my conscious mind was still paying attention to my body actions.

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Shoemaker is a great coach, but he is still having

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students focus their conscious minds on body awareness too much.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion. I know he wants us to focus

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on the target or the club or the ball.

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Speaker 4: Something external, but students like me will still focus their

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conscious mind on a body technique. That's why I'm excited

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to learn more about in Chromac's target oriented Golf. I'm

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really really exhausted from cycling between conscious competence and conscious incompetence. Lastly,

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Collins question does the target create anxiety is a very

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powerful question for me. The answer for me is no,

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I find calm in the target versus always finding anxiety

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by putting my conscious mind on my body actions.

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Speaker 1: Wow right, yeah, yeah, And.

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Speaker 3: I say that's not uncommon. I mean, at the end

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of the day, John's gone through a process that many

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other golfers have been through themselves, and it's his desire

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to obviously improve in your golf. But the majority of

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the time golfers spend their practice cycling between different methods

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of learning how to swing off clubs. And now there

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is a very different psychological skill set that's required to

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learn how to play Goldfread, because learning how to swim

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you having your attentional focus on something to do with

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a body part of body movement, and some coaches are

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trying to move the attention away from the body onto

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the club, but it still takes the individual's conscious mind

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onto a control of their motor skills. Now, we don't

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perform anything in our lives successfully, Fred, whilst we're consciously

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trying to control our physical actions. So the key thing

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about learning goal and any other life skill is we

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actually have to shift our conscious mind away from this

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motor skill so that the motor cortex in our brain,

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which ultimately has everything that we need to carry out

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a motor skill. Once the skills have been developed, we

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need to actually tap into that FRED. But we can't

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tap into that because we spend all of our lives

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being taught how to consciously try and control the motor skill.

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So the individual or the golfer never gets that sense

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of freedom in their golf game that they get in

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other aspects of their life, from riding a bike through

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to driving a car, where we free the conscious mind.

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So I'd like to just briefly introduce a concept to

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your FRED which it introduces different states of the mind.

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And it's important to understand this because if we don't

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know where in the mind we're trying to improve a skill,

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then it's very difficult to target what it is that

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we're trying to improve. So you're obviously familiar with people

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talking about the subconscious mind, and the subconscious mind FRED

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is basically whereby we develop ourself image and our belief systems.

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They are acquired over a lifetime through our experiences and

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through people talking to us and telling us things, and

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we start to develop a belief system about who we

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are in life now the subconscious mind is different to

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the non conscious mind. The non conscious mind is that

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part of the brain which is responsible for your motor skills.

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So when you're an infant, when you're a child, for instance,

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before you learn language. It's very interesting, Fred, but we

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learn to walk as infants without actually having learned any

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language at that time. So the conscious mind or the

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cognitive process in the prefrontal cortex hasn't developed all right,

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parent opposite to where we're trying to go, and we

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stumble slowly towards that other parent, and through a series

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of repetitious movements, we develop the motor skills for walking.

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No conscious mind involved in this process, Fred, but we

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learn to walk, and that skill of walking becomes adaptive.

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We learn to then crawl and run and skip, and.

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Speaker 4: Let's not forget Colin, that we also learned to fall,

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which is actually incredibly important because you can't learn resiliency

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if you haven't fallen over.

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Speaker 3: And it's all done though, Fred, without any conscious mind involved.

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What's through this process and this is really important to

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understand in motor skills acquisition. We develop motor skills when

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we keep the conscious mind out of the picture, because

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the conscious mind, in essence, is something that we develop

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through language and through thinking process, whereby we start to

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actually give our selves a sense of direction through our

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thinking process. But that thinking process isn't very adapt at

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developing or controlling our body. It's not designed to control

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the body. That's what the motor cortex is there for.

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So what we have to do. You see, what happens

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is when we start to become we learn language, we

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start to learn a skill like riding a bike. Thread

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Typically what happens is we've learned language at that time

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and we start to sort of be very anxious when

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we are learning to ride a bike, because we are

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being taught how to control the pedals, and our focus

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is on trying to control the bike at that time.

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You see, But through a series of repetitious processes which

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are constrained by the instrument the bike, our attention naturally

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shifts to the road ahead. So what's actually happening is

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our conscious mind is being allowed to navigate to an

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external focus. And once that happens, fred the external focus

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allows the non conscious mind to take over the control

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of the vehicle. The balancing of the vehicle, and the

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movement of the pedals is all done non consciously, and

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you can take this process through any skill that you've

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ever developed. When you learn to drive a car, initially

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you're getting instruction, You're getting conscious instruction. You're trying to

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consciously control the steering, changing the gear, changing the clutch,

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and depressing the accelerator. You're really quite poor at this time,

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but again you're constrained by the vehicle. And once you

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start allowing your attentional focus to shift to the road ahead,

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your non conscious mind starts to take over the vehicle,

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the control of the vehicle. So every situation that occurs

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in life, we are allowed naturally to go to an

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external focus. Fred, Is this all good? So the external

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focus is the key thing. It allows us to pass

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over the motor skill to the non conscious mind.

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Speaker 4: Is there a subtle difference between non conscious and unconscious

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the important thing forred. The unconscious mind

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is another thing altogether. The unconscious mind is when you're asleep,

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and when you're asleep, you're aware of the environment, but

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you're not paying attention to anything other than what's going

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on in the dreams. But the dream itself is not

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something that you're in control of. But the key thing

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is Fred, is that the unconscious mind is very active.

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It's very busy, and you're very aware of something that

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you know in the room. Should should it, should it occur?

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you wake up that the conscious mind sort of picks

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into into action and you start thinking about the day ahead.

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gives you the intention for what you're going to spend

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your life doing throughout the day. So you've got the

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unconscious mind, which is obviously one aspect of your mind.

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and your self image is developed. You've got the non conscious,

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which is responsible for the motor skills, and you've finally

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got the captain of the ship, which happens to be

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the conscious mind. But the conscious mind gives the direction,

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it doesn't carry out the action. It's not powerful enough,

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it's not fast enough. So the reason why I'm explaining

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these different states of mind, Fred, is that in research

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in neuroscience that these minds they don't exist. They can

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only research the brain, and so any mind is just

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kind of an epi phenomenon of brain activity. They can't

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describe the minds that I'm talking about. Now. There are

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try and help people improve golf, for instance, by using

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things like hypnosis and NLP, trying to change self image

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and belief systems, which work by you shutting down for

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a moment of conscious mind. You park it to one

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side whilst you go in and implant new memories into

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the area for the subconscious mind. So what you're trying

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to do, Fred is override what were dominant memories with

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new memories. You know, we are purely memories. Everything we

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you and I are that we experience are created from

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experiences we've had and stored as memories. So if you've

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got a bad memory that's preventing you from before meing,

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it is possible to go in and replace that with

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a much more empowering one. But it takes time, it

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takes effort. But the point is Fred, changing subconscious patterns

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doesn't change the motor skills, it doesn't change the non

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unconscious skills that you're trying to develop. You see, the

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non conscious mind in essence, Fred, once the motor skill

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has been developed is perfect if we keep the conscious

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mind away from it. Ahah.

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Speaker 1: And that's the big question, right, how do you do that?

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Speaker 3: You play target oriented golf? Well?

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Speaker 1: Did walk into that one?

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Speaker 3: Well? You know, this is the wayson why I've developed

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the workfread. It takes time to understand the subject matter

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and to go and a play in practice and in

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your play. But people spend twenty years trying to learn

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how to swing a golf club. Why don't they try

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and learn how to trust themselves to swing a golf

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club when they've developed other skills in their lives successfully

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by getting the conscious mind out of the picture.

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Speaker 4: But you're not really serious about why do they question

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themselves on their mechanics because it doesn't go well every

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single time you swing the club, so you're always questioning yourself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's the problem from the very first golf

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lesson when the club is put into your hand and

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you have your attention taken to how to grip the

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golf club, and you try and hit a golf ball

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whilst your attention is internal and probably on the grip.

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You hit a poor golf shot, you naturally attribute that

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poor golf shot with something you're doing physically wrong. So

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you spend a lot of time focusing on trying to

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improve your grip whilst hitting golf balls. Once you've got

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your grip feeling right, but you're still hitting poor golf balls,

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you then switch your attention to your stance or your posture,

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or your takeaway or any other number of body parts.

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Speaker 4: And isn't that the point that there are so many

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different things that can go wrong? How can you be

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unconscious about it when you're trying to analyze and practice

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awareness of where it is and what's going wrong.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that's the point, Freddie, is that if you

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spend your life trying to develop the motor skill with

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that conscious thought process of trying to control that skill,

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you'll never go to experience a trust in it. Now.

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The reason why I mentioned my partner, doctor Tony Baparo,

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was because he spent his life in research dedicated to

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understanding attentional focus in relation to motor skills acquisition. And

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what he's done is developed a golf coaching program that

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I believe every PGA coach and any golf coach out

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there should understand because what he's advocating Fred is that

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whilst an individual is learning how to develop the motor

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skills to swing a golf club, they need to be

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keeping the conscious mind busy and occupied whilst moving into

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the specific positions that the individual is trying to move into.

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Based on the coach is advice. So you know, you

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might be aware of the concept of tim gorway and

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in a game of golf where he advocates the concept

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of back hit. The idea of this thread is that

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by saying something whilst you're moving the body, you're keeping

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the conscious mind engaged so that it allows the non

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conscious mind to move the body. You can't be attending

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to the body if you're engaging the mind with that command. Now,

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what doctor Paparo has done has developed a very systematic

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way of a golfer developing a golf swing without hitting

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golf balls. First of all, because you need to develop

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the motor skills for swinging a golf club before you

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actually start trying to apply it to a golf ball.

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Because what happens is whilst you've got the golf ball there,

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thread and you're trying to not only develop the motor skill,

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you're reacting every time to where the golf ball's going.

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You're constantly doubting the fact that you're in the right position.

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So your conscious mind is constantly switching to and from

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different body parts and it's never there's never any control

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over the attention. And that's what we're trying to explain

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in our work, is that the attentional focus needs to

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be controlled, not only out on the golf course when

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you're trying to perform, but it needs to be controlled

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whilst you're developing the motor skills for a golf swing,

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because without being aware of your attentional focus, the mind

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is doing whatever it chooses to do wherever the individual

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chooses to think. And consequently, when it comes to playing golf,

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if you spend your whole time I'm consciously practicing the

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information that you're consciously being taught, you have no choice

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but to consciously play, and therefore you never get to

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that place where you're out there experiencing a trust in

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the golf swing or the putting stroke that you would

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do in any other life skill. Let me tell you

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the importance of the target thread. If you and I

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were to go out onto a park and we had

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some balls in our hands, and we were simply I

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was asking you to simply throw the ball at different targets.

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You intuitively would know how hard to throw the ball

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based on the target selection. Your attention would be always external,

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your mind would typically be quiet, and your non conscious

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mind would be allowed to throw the ball.

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Speaker 1: All right, Can I stop you right there?

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Speaker 3: Go ahead?

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Speaker 4: All right, Let's take that analogy that you were bringing.

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Let's put it into say shooting a basketball. All right,

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go ahead, There's there's the basket. Throw the basket. Throw

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the ball up to the basket, and unconsciously I would think, okay,

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I just I just need to do that right, just

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this motion here and it'll go in.

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't go in.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: So, when I'm out on the driving ranger and you

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and I are working out, and and we're just working

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on practicing my swing, I'm on the range.

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Speaker 1: When you're on the range, you there's nothing that can

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go wrong.

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Speaker 4: Really, it's like there's no let's say, there's no consequences

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to something going wrong. But when you're about to take

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a golf shot during a round of golf, that's I

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guess when the doubt would would come in.

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Speaker 1: That's when you'd have problems, because then you go, if

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I don't get this right, there are consequences.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but you're you're you're switching to a different aspect

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of golf performance here, Fred, because you're starting to talk

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about the concept of psychological performance, whereby, if an individal

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jaw is having all of these thoughts that you're talking about,

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then they haven't got a sense of control over what

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it is that they're trying to achieve. And paying is

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that those thoughts do occur because the individual hasn't developed

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a very systematic way of guiding themselves through that period

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of time that I specialize in, which is that time

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between stepping in and executing the golf shot. You see

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many people recognize that they try and break up the

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golf shot into this concept of a play a think

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think box, and a playbox, whereby you're doing all of

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your strategizing and then you step behind the ball and

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then you stop the thinking and you just move into play. Unfortunately, Fred,

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you can't stop thinking. And that's the point is that

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when you step into play your golf shot, the individual's

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intentional focus if it's not being controlled, introduces all of

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those other erroneous thoughts that you're talking about, and it's

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that the fact that you're trying to stop thinking leaves

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you so vulnerable because you actually need to be really

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focusing your attention during that period of time between stepping

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in and executing. That's when you really need to be concentrating,

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not pretending that everybody's having a great time, because all

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you're doing is leaving yourself vulnerable to a situational event

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that comes in and destroys your ability to swing the

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golf club. So, jumping back moment to that concept of

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throwing a basketball. Thread when you're throwing the basketball, you

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miss the shot, that's okay, you're not going to make

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it ever a shot. But the point is that your

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attention is naturally external. You're not thinking about how to

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throw the ball. You're not thinking about how to throw

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the ball. Your attention needs to be on the basket,

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on the target. Yeah. Now, the concept in golf of

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targeting is very important. It's something we need to talk

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about because there are many theories of golf instruction that

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suggests that you shouldn't have to pay attention to the

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target once you've aligned yourself to it, Fred, because it

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doesn't go anywhere at the end of the day. Once

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you've aligned yourself to it, why do you need to

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think about the target? Well, based on our discussion that

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we've had so far, if you're not thinking about the

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target when you're trying to execute your action, what are

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you choosing to think about? You see the target? Primarily,

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what target are into golf is about is helping a

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person establish that visualization of the target thread as they're

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executing their action. So if their conscious mind is occupied

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with the visualization of the target, then it allows the

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non conscious mind to swing the golf club do so

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because you're giving it a clear statement of intention. Your

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conscious mind has a clear picture of what it's trying

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to achieve, and it allows an unconscious mind to follow through.

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The non conscious mind cannot carry out that action if

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you don't have a clear target in mind. And that's

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the reason why many people struggle with this concept of

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target orientation, because they look at their target threads but

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they don't see it. And because they don't see it,

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when they look back at the ball, their intentional focus

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shifts away from target onto the ball, onto the takeaway

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onto the water, onto the outer bounds, onto don't knuck

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this up. Whatever chooses to jump in becomes the focus

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of your attention at that time, and the non conscious

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mind responds accordingly.

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Speaker 1: Colin, I don't understand what you mean by they don't

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see the target.

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Speaker 3: If you and I, Fred, were standing on a tea

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box and I was observing you looking down the fairway,

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I wouldn't have a clue what the focus of your

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attention was. All right now, if I was to then

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say to you, Fred, can you see that red roof

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in the distance. By giving you a description of that object,

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I've brought your attention to that object. So you are

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now seeing the object that I've brought your attention to

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now when you're looking down the fairway. Typically what's happening

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is that people are very aware of the water and

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the outer bounds and the bunkers, and oftentimes are drawing

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their attention to the very things that they don't want

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to be hitting the ball out.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 3: So, the very important thing, Fred, is that in the brain,

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the visual system is quite complex. There are many pathways

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to taking information in Through the eye, it hits the

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back of the brain and then it goes off in

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many different directions. Majority of the information that we process

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in our in our brain, we don't have to attend

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to FRED visually. And what I mean by that is

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we navigate through traffic in our car, processing lots of

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information visually, but we're not paying attention to it. It's

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the same when you're walking and doing anything. We're always

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processing visual information, but we don't attend to everything. When

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we want to attend to something FRED typically what there's

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another process that happens in the brain in which you

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compare the visual imagery that you're looking at with a

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pre existing memory of what it is you're looking at,

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and you use a label to bring a description to

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that object. So when you read, for instance, a paper

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or a book, do you ever hear that internal dialogue

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the internal voice that goes on in your head when

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you're reading a paragraph of information.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I have four or five voices in my head

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when I'm reading.

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Speaker 3: Look into your schizophrenia. Right. The important thing is the

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question I asked was why do you think, well, when

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you're trying to read, why do you have to use

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that internal dialogue? Because we're processing visual information. Where's the

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internal dialogue coming? From Well. The key thing is Fred,

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is that every single word that you're reading, you're actually

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comparing with a pre existing memory of that visual information

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and you're using it. You're using your internal dialogue to

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bring the words to the focus of your attention. So

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that's the seeing process. Difference between looking at the page

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and seeing the information requires your attentional focus to be involved.

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I'm with you now, good because it's really important. There's Fred,

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that same process that you use when you're reading your

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internal dialogue. How is that internal dialogue any different too?

479
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,279
Your thinking process when you're out on the golf course.

480
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You know when the uroneous thoughts are coming in. It's

481
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the same internal dialogue. It's just that it's not coming

482
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,880
off of a page. It's random information that you're pulling

483
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,000
out from your mind. Now, my point is this thread.

484
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,319
If you're looking down the fairway to describe your target,

485
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,640
you've got to see your target. You've got to describe

486
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,799
it to yourself. It's not enough just to look at it.

487
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,680
And it's the same thing applies when you're over your

488
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,519
golf ball. You've got yourself nice and settled over your

489
00:30:50,559 --> 00:30:53,279
golf ball if all you do is look back out

490
00:30:53,319 --> 00:30:55,960
down the fairway. It doesn't bring the target to your

491
00:30:56,000 --> 00:31:00,160
focus of attention unless you describe it to yourself so

492
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,359
that when you feel like you're connected to your target,

493
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:05,279
you can bring your eyes back to the ball and

494
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,759
still feel connected to it in order to execute the

495
00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:12,200
swing at it. So the concept of target orientation involved

496
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,400
looking at something but using your internal dialogue to reinforce

497
00:31:16,519 --> 00:31:19,960
what it is that you're looking at. Fred. The reason

498
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,119
why this is important is that if you're using that

499
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:27,640
internal dialogue to keep your attention on the target, then

500
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,200
you cannot be thinking about your golf swing. In fact,

501
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:33,480
that's the whole point of this, is that you're trying

502
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:40,039
to keep your attention external in order to allow your

503
00:31:40,079 --> 00:31:43,599
non conscious mind to swing the golf club. If I

504
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,000
was to ask you that I was going to put

505
00:31:46,039 --> 00:31:48,880
a local theater production on, and I was to ask

506
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,759
you that I want you to be the lead in

507
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,480
the show, the lead actor. Now, what would be the

508
00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:58,880
first thing that you'd ask for from me in order

509
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,960
to perform on stage?

510
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: A script?

511
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: This is important. Why would you need a script?

512
00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: Because if I'm going to be in a play and

513
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:13,279
memorizing my lines and performing my lines, I got to

514
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,160
know the out line, and I got to know the

515
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,559
direction that we're all headed in.

516
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Now, what would happen if you went on

517
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:22,400
the stage without having learned your lines?

518
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: You don't want me to add Libya.

519
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, Fred, this is what every golfer is doing on

520
00:32:30,079 --> 00:32:35,000
the golf Why did you set me up? This is

521
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,720
the point of attentional focus, Fred, is that as an actor,

522
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,680
you go and perform because you know exactly what it

523
00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:46,920
is you're going to deliver. And mentally you've learned your lines,

524
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,680
and we go out there and deliver them, and your

525
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,599
non conscious mind just goes and does whatever it is

526
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:57,039
that the conscious mind is directing it to do. Now,

527
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,920
the purpose of my work is to help a goal

528
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:05,039
for develop their own personal scripts that keep their attentional

529
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:10,359
focus systematically occupied with the same tasks every time they

530
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,400
prepare to play a golf shop. So that period of

531
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,720
time between stepping in and executing their swing thread, which

532
00:33:17,799 --> 00:33:22,599
takes about twelve to fourteen seconds, is typically time where

533
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:27,279
the conscious mind is allowed to run free and they

534
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:32,759
are trying to go through a physical preshot routine. But

535
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:39,599
under the surface, the conscious mind is very variable, and

536
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:43,839
it's that variability in their conscious thought process, which creates

537
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:50,920
such variability in their outcomes. But the visualization thread that

538
00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:57,599
need to happen at execution, which is target orientation, is

539
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,319
denied if the individual does not prepared themselves for that

540
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:05,799
moment successfully. And what I mean by that is if

541
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,840
there's no proper state management, if there's no proper breathing,

542
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,719
there's no proper awareness of the body before you get

543
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,679
to target orientation, then at any single erroneous thought that

544
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:23,079
comes in can elevate the person's anxiety level, the arousal level,

545
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,599
and that adrenaline flow stops the muscles from performing as

546
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,480
they would do if they were relaxed. And whatever it is, Fred,

547
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:36,000
that is choosing to create that arousal means that the

548
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:40,679
individual's attention must be on something other than target. And

549
00:34:41,519 --> 00:34:45,280
that's the key thing about target. You see, there are

550
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:50,320
many theories that suggest the target creates anxiety in golfers. Fred,

551
00:34:50,679 --> 00:34:51,840
what's your opinion.

552
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: On that the anxiety produced by.

553
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,559
Speaker 4: I'm trying to figure out, is this like we create

554
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:05,079
this on ourselves, this anxiety, dude of and is this

555
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,679
are we trying to get away from that completely?

556
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,679
Speaker 3: Well, the point is, Fred, the anxiety doesn't happen to you.

557
00:35:14,559 --> 00:35:15,159
Speaker 1: You create that.

558
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 3: You create it by how you choose to think at

559
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:23,280
that moment. Now, if you're you're you're only having those

560
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:28,039
erroneous thoughts because you haven't developed a systematic process to

561
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:33,159
keep those erroneous thoughts at bay. You know, you can't

562
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,119
have these anxious, anxiety provoking thoughts if you're busy focused

563
00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:42,000
on something else that's designed specifically to keep your state

564
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:44,920
correct in order to get target oriented.

565
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: But there's so many things to be focused on.

566
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 3: No, it's the point, Fred, Well, let me ask you

567
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,119
this question for can you pay attention to more than

568
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:53,000
one thing at a time?

569
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:54,639
Speaker 1: Unfortunately? Yes.

570
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 3: Give me an example.

571
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 4: I can be in a conversation with somebody and hear

572
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,159
a conversation going on behind me and following that as.

573
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: Well, Okay, well, what's actually happening And you might not

574
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:10,599
necessarily notice it, but your attention is actually switching between

575
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:16,480
the two very fast. You cannot have your attention in

576
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:20,360
two places at once. You're aware of one whilst you're

577
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,760
attending to the other, but you're not really attending to

578
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,199
them both at the same time. And it's an important

579
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:31,800
distinction to understand here, because you in effect can't be

580
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:36,840
attending to two sources of information simultaneously. But you can

581
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:42,079
certainly be aware of sources of information simultaneously. So you

582
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:47,239
can certainly hear something whilst reading. You're aware of the noise,

583
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,760
but you're not necessarily paying attention to it. Your attention

584
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,320
might flick to it, but then come back. Or you

585
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:58,880
might be looking at something that's occupying your attention and

586
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,159
you might hear a noise, your attention flicks to that

587
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,440
and then comes back. It doesn't You're not in two

588
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,360
places at the same time right now.

589
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,599
Speaker 4: It definitely flicks. I would, yes, I would agree with

590
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:10,719
you that it flicks back and forth. But it flicks

591
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,880
back so fast that I can pick up and gather

592
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:19,000
the information from both sides simultaneous. It feels like I'm

593
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:20,119
doing this simultaneously.

594
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,280
Speaker 1: Is that I can get it here?

595
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I got that part, I'll get this part,

596
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:25,320
and I've got and piecing both of them together.

597
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an illusion, Fred, but that's the nature of

598
00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:28,880
the brain.

599
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: Most of what we most of my life, Colin, is

600
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,559
an illusion. I just want you to know you're not alone.

601
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: Now, everybody's life is the same. What we're doing within

602
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:42,519
the brain is often predicting what it is that we

603
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:45,280
expect to see, rather than actually seeing what is in

604
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,679
front of us. Because the majority of the time we

605
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:53,639
our brain is in a state of processing information, and

606
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,480
therefore it's doing it at the non conscious, subconscious, unconscious level.

607
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:03,840
We aren't consciously attending everything. We simply cannot. So a

608
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,960
lot of the information that arises into consciousness has already

609
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:12,079
been predicted by other aspects of your brain. And what

610
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,280
you see is a prediction from what from from from

611
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,719
from your from your brain, not what is actually out there.

612
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,440
And the way I demonstrate this, fred is is to

613
00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:25,119
people is have you ever seen little paragraphs written in

614
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:28,920
which all of the words are spelt incorrectly except for

615
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,440
the first and last letters m H, and you're able

616
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,960
to read it as if it's written correctly. Yeah, well,

617
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,840
there's the predicative process happening. Fred. You're you're reading those

618
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,000
words and you're you're visually processing it. Now, if your

619
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:47,679
eyes were simply giving you the information to your brain,

620
00:38:48,599 --> 00:38:50,679
then what you had been saying would sound like the

621
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,159
garbage that's actually written on the page. But it doesn't

622
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,840
because what you're doing is you're taking the visual information

623
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,280
comparing it to a memory. You're then using your internal

624
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,440
dialogue to say, well, that's what it was saying, that's

625
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,920
what it says, when it wasn't that at aol we see,

626
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,880
so your predictive nature of the brain confused or it

627
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,159
convinces us that we're seeing something that we're not. And

628
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,840
that's the reason why targeting is important in golf in

629
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,960
respect of we don't see the target unless we actually

630
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,760
support it with that internal dialogue process. In essence, what's happening, Fred,

631
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,880
is we might be looking down the fairway, but unless

632
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,519
we describe the target to ourselves, we don't get a

633
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,079
chance to see the target when we're looking at the ball.

634
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 4: Can you give me a practical demonstration of how to

635
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,480
focus on get to find your target, focus on your target,

636
00:39:44,679 --> 00:39:47,679
and only focus on your target through the completion of

637
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:48,119
your swing.

638
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the key thing is, Fred, we've got to

639
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,159
establish first of all, the difference between our desired, our

640
00:39:56,239 --> 00:40:00,480
outcome and our target, because there is a lot of

641
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:05,639
people that suggest that the target creates anxiety. Now, what

642
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,599
creates anxiety in golfers often is the fact that they

643
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:13,280
are thinking about their desired outcome for the shot, which

644
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,840
it happens to be where the ball will be finishing. Now,

645
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,519
in golf, we cannot control that, and if you are

646
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,320
paying attention or trying to control where the ball will finish,

647
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:29,199
that happens to be a future event, which can create

648
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,800
an anxiety response because you're not in control of that.

649
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: This sounds like a contradiction to the target though.

650
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the desired outcome is not the same as

651
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,480
the target more often than not, Fred, And that's the

652
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:43,800
reason why this discussion is important.

653
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: That's what to me, that's a very thin line.

654
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,639
Speaker 3: Well, it might be. It might be a thin line,

655
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,320
but let me give you an example. Take let's take

656
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,400
chipping for example, thread where you're going to chip a

657
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,400
ball onto the green and your hole is obviously on

658
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,320
the other side of the green. Clear your desired outcome

659
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,480
for that shot is to get the ball in the hole.

660
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:06,880
But what would be your target?

661
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:16,199
Speaker 4: What would be my target on the chip? Yeah, is

662
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,360
to me, the target would be like a three four

663
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,880
foot circle around the hall. Try to get it in

664
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,360
that area.

665
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 3: Okay, you see what I'm advocating is that with a chip,

666
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,800
you would typically chip the ball onto the green and

667
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:33,119
you would identify a landing spot, a.

668
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 4: Landing spot, Okay, yeah, right, so my target would be

669
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:40,199
the landing spot, and then pick the landing spot and

670
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,599
try to guesstimate how much role I'm going to get

671
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:45,519
if it lands there and will it get me into

672
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:47,440
that circle? So yeah, I guess the target would be

673
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:48,159
the landing spot.

674
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's important for it because you've already differentiated. You

675
00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:55,800
know what your desired outcome is, but you separated that

676
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,960
from your target, and ultimately your target selection to term,

677
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,880
means what club it is you're going to use to

678
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,480
play that shot, all right, So the target is very

679
00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,239
different to your desired outcome and when you're trying to

680
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,320
play the shot and effectively, you are aligning yourself to

681
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,079
the target point, not to the desired outcome.

682
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:19,079
Speaker 1: Okay, because if.

683
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: You've chosen the right target and you choose the right club, Fred,

684
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:27,239
you'll get the desired outcome. So psychological, can you see

685
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,119
that there's a difference between what your target is and

686
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,920
your desired outcome on that shot? On that shot, yes, yeah,

687
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,800
But that same principle can be extrapolated to every single

688
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,360
other golf shot. First of all, you've got to ask

689
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,119
yourself when you're stepping into a golf shot, what's my

690
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,639
desired outcome for this? But then you've got to say

691
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,239
what's my target for this golf shot? And very rarely

692
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,679
will they be the same. Your desired outcome and your

693
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,639
target won't be the same place because we don't hit

694
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:04,039
perfectly straight shots when we're playing golf, and so because

695
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:06,880
we cannot control where the ball finishes thread we can

696
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,360
only control where the ball starts. The idea of target

697
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:14,679
orientation is to establish what on that starting line you're

698
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,480
hitting the ball at that's going to allow you to

699
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:22,159
achieve your desired outcome. So you put yourself on a

700
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,559
T box, for instance, and you look down the fairway.

701
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:26,920
You see where you want the ball to finish on

702
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,519
the fairway, But that landing spot on the fairway isn't

703
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:35,199
where your target will be your target because because there's

704
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,039
nothing there, often that gives you a clearness of for

705
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,119
the visualization process. So you're typically what you do is

706
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:50,039
you find a line on that either on that line

707
00:43:50,039 --> 00:43:52,679
where you're wanting the desired outcome, or you might even

708
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,599
move left or right of that desired outcome and establish

709
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,800
a target that's on your target line. So it might

710
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,119
be something that's off the golf course. It might be

711
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:04,880
a roof on a house, or it might be an

712
00:44:05,039 --> 00:44:08,760
electricity part on it might be a tree trunk. But

713
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,920
it's always something Fred that gives you a clear visual

714
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:17,079
connection with where you're going to start that ball, Because

715
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:20,119
it's that target that you're trying to commit the swing towards,

716
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,199
knowing full well you'll get your desired outcome. You've got

717
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,920
to let go of that outcome and just trust that

718
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,079
the club you've chosen and a target you're selecting will

719
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:31,920
help you achieve that desired outcome.

720
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 4: When I'm standing behind the ball looking down the fairway,

721
00:44:41,199 --> 00:44:45,880
you know, setting my visualizing where I want the ball to,

722
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:50,400
where my target is, but I also look at the

723
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,280
end target the ball, and then a point just beyond

724
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,679
the ball as where I want to start the line.

725
00:44:59,280 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Is that my target?

726
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: No, no, it's not, Fred. You're only using that point

727
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,239
behind the ball as your alignment. It's helping your alignment

728
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:11,079
to your chosen target. But once you've aligned yourself to

729
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:14,199
your chosen target, Fred, you can you forget about that

730
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,960
spot in front of the ball because that was only

731
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:21,519
used to help for alignment purposes. But the key thing

732
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,440
is that once you've established that you're going to hit

733
00:45:25,519 --> 00:45:30,360
the ball towards a pre determined target that is visually

734
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,559
attractive to you. You know, like you're always looking for

735
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:38,519
something that's easy to see, because that's the whole purpose

736
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:42,400
of target orientation. You're trying to give yourself. You're trying

737
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,559
to make it easy for yourself by giving yourself a

738
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:48,280
clear target. If all you do is try and establish

739
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:50,559
when you want the ball to finish on the fairway,

740
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:55,320
you end up with just a big load of fairway

741
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,440
and not an awful lot of focus. You don't give

742
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,639
yourself a clear focal point to get in your ball

743
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:06,599
to wards. And again you're psychologically stepping into a place

744
00:46:07,039 --> 00:46:10,000
which can be creating the anxiety response because you're trying

745
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,320
to control where the ball finishes and you simply cannot

746
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:18,159
do that and therefore being a future event, you create

747
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:21,280
the anxiety response due to the lack of control that

748
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,480
you perceive over it. So you know, if I was

749
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:26,480
to stand in front of you, fred hands out, you

750
00:46:26,559 --> 00:46:29,320
get you throw the ball to me, the target and

751
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,400
the desired outcome would be the same my hands and

752
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:37,280
as I move away from you, you still recognize that

753
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,199
the target and the hands are the same place, but

754
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,639
you've got absolute freedom in your actions because you've got

755
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,800
that clear target to throw the ball at. If I

756
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,480
put my hand just as you're about to throw the

757
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,159
ball and I put my hands behind my back, two

758
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,920
things typically happen. I make you think where's my target?

759
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,960
And I stop your flower of action. Well, that's exactly

760
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,079
what happens when you look back at the bull thread

761
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:05,320
and you haven't got a clear statement of intention in

762
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,880
your mind, because your attention then shifts to something else,

763
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,840
and that creates the funky swings that people experience. More

764
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,239
often than not, it's the lack of clear intension with

765
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:23,960
aligned attention that creates the poor golf swing. So this

766
00:47:24,199 --> 00:47:27,480
concept of putting targeting is important as well in putting

767
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:30,760
because unless you've got a straight put to a hole,

768
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:34,639
the target and the target and your desired outcome are

769
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:37,920
also different. You know, if you've got an uphill put

770
00:47:38,039 --> 00:47:41,719
thread to a hole that's a straight uphill part, your

771
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,960
typical target point will move behind the hole because you're

772
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,440
having to put more force onto the ball to allow

773
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,400
it to go uphill. So you're putting through the hole

774
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:55,960
basically to ensure that you've given the ball enough energy,

775
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,840
and if it's a downhill put you clearly don't want

776
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,239
to be putting out to act the hole. You put

777
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,599
a spot in front of the hole and that becomes

778
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:10,079
your focal point for your part. So you're establishing how

779
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:12,960
much energy you have to impart on the golf ball

780
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:17,559
based on your target selection point. And as soon as

781
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:21,480
you start to introduce break left and right, your target

782
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:24,239
point starts to shift left and right of the whole

783
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:29,159
as well. So you've always got Fred the desired outcome

784
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,519
of getting the ball in the hole. But if you

785
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:37,840
actually attempt to part always with your attention on the

786
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,920
whole when you step into and an align yourself to

787
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:47,039
your chosen line, but then switch your attention back to

788
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:49,880
the hole, what actually happens, Fredd, is you end up

789
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,199
pushing or pulling the ball off of the target line

790
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:56,559
because you're thinking about the desired outcome rather than a

791
00:48:56,639 --> 00:49:01,320
target point on that line that you've chosen. There's a

792
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:03,440
system out there called am point which is excellent for

793
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:05,000
green reading. It teaches you.

794
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about it and we've had them on

795
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:08,199
the show.

796
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,679
Speaker 3: Okay, well, look the idea of it, Fred is the

797
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,239
fact that it establishes what your line is. It gives

798
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,719
you great confidence to know that's the line that you're

799
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,840
going to put on. Where different, where I differ from

800
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,480
that system is that they advocate that the target or

801
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:26,559
the aim point is always perpendicular effectively to the whole,

802
00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,159
So it's, you know, perpendicular to where the hole is.

803
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,119
I don't agree with that because clearly there's many times

804
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:37,480
where the ball goes nowhere near perpendicular to the whole.

805
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:39,800
You only have to put it a few inches and

806
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,880
it will roll off and break and do all sorts

807
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,400
of things. So your target point is on that aim line,

808
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,599
but it's not the ain point that they are advocating,

809
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,960
because again it's a great system for green reading. But

810
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:57,039
once you've got your line, the advocate is then suggesting

811
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:58,800
that what you need to do and is establish how

812
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:03,480
hard or how how much you need to control the putter.

813
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,639
You know, what speed do you need to put on

814
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,800
the putt. But that's bringing your attention back to the

815
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,280
conscious control of the putter head, and that again destroys

816
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:16,159
the putting stroke because you're consciously trying to control that

817
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,480
stroke again thread So the idea of targeting is to

818
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:24,840
keep your attention external and allows the non conscious to

819
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:29,000
put the ball. And that's the reason why I love

820
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,519
the Green reading system. I just disagree with where the

821
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,960
individual's attention is taken when they then have to put,

822
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,920
because again, there is nothing that we perform by consciously

823
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,880
controlling our action, and therefore by staying external, by staying target,

824
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,119
iron did on target instead of outcome, you start to

825
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:55,000
separate the difference psychologically. But also all you're recognizing with

826
00:50:55,079 --> 00:50:57,239
a put thread is you can't do anything with the

827
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,320
putter other than put the ball on a straight line.

828
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,760
It is designed to do nothing other than hit a

829
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,199
ball on a straight line. So you've got to establish

830
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,320
the line that you're going to send it on and

831
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:11,840
how far down that line your target point will be

832
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:16,039
to allow that ball to break off towards your desired outcome,

833
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:20,440
which is the whole you follow. So you don't always

834
00:51:20,519 --> 00:51:23,679
hit the target. Fred. The point of target orientation is

835
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,440
not to hit the target. In fact, it's only on

836
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:30,519
chipping where you actually hit you have an opportunity to

837
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,079
hit the target that you've chosen. But every other shot

838
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,679
with target orientation, what you're doing is giving yourself a

839
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,280
sense of commitment to something in the distance that will

840
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,840
allow the non conscious self to react to that target,

841
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,639
and if you've chosen the right target, you get your

842
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:52,280
desired outcome. And that applies to every golf shot. So,

843
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,119
as I said, when the idea of this work of

844
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,880
developed thread is the individual allows them to step into

845
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,000
every golf shot regardless of where I'm not on a

846
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:04,760
tea box or on a putting green. They can apply

847
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,800
the same mental process to preparing to play for the shot.

848
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,840
So you don't actually see driving, chipping, pitching, putting as

849
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,960
different disciplines. They are all just different golf clubs, but

850
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:22,159
you apply the same mental discipline to them. That simplifies

851
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,000
the game thread because you're ultimately just following the same

852
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,519
script every time you step in to play a golf shot.

853
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,519
The only difference you have is identifying what your chosen

854
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:35,000
target is, which will determine what club you're going to

855
00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:40,519
use to play that shot and the real challenges. So

856
00:52:40,760 --> 00:52:44,119
again what I'm saying is that target orientation is trying

857
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:50,079
to help golfers be in control of events. So the

858
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,880
target is something that you are in control of, You've

859
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:57,360
chosen it yourself, and you're ultimately hitting the ball towards it.

860
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,559
You're not trying to control wear the ball finishes. In

861
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:04,840
this instance that you cannot control weather ball finishes. But

862
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:09,119
the game, if you've chosen the right target and chosen

863
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:11,960
the right club, then you've just got to trust the

864
00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:16,760
fact that based on your chosen you know your selections,

865
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,639
that you'll get your desired outcome. But golf is not

866
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,280
a game of perfect as we know. It's a game

867
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,119
of identifying how do you achieve the best outcomes based

868
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,760
on the fact that you've got the opportunity to choose

869
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,199
what it is your targets are. It is interesting, Fred,

870
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,800
when it comes to putting, it's a little bit more

871
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,480
difficult because in effect, we don't really get a choice

872
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,159
of targets. You know, if we've read the green and

873
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,480
established the line, then we need to find that target

874
00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:54,400
point on that line. But if we choose a different line,

875
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,400
then we've got to choose a different target point. It's

876
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,800
you know, there's nothing concrete there for you to say

877
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,840
that's definitely my target. It comes down to you being

878
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:08,599
intuitive as to how much energy you have to impart

879
00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:11,599
on that golf ball to allow gravity to pull it

880
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:16,880
towards your whole, and all of this stuff is again

881
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:21,920
it's beyond your control. All you can do is assess

882
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:26,599
the shot, choose your target, and hit your ball towards

883
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:29,559
the chosen target. Now, to get to that place of

884
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:34,840
target orientation, Fred, you've got to prepare yourself mentally as

885
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,880
you step in in order to give yourself a chance

886
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:45,079
to visualize that target that you've chosen. Otherwise than the

887
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:48,360
reason why target orientation hasn't worked for probably people that

888
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,079
have tried it is that as you step in, the

889
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,719
erroneous thoughts that come along can elevate arousal. When you're

890
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,960
looking down the fairway, you're seeing all of the hazards

891
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,880
and when you look back at the ball you're thinking

892
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,960
about swing for target is nowhere to be seen. And

893
00:55:06,679 --> 00:55:10,199
you know it's natural then to believe that the poor

894
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,679
golf shark was caused by your poor swing, as if

895
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,559
the swing itself was the problem, not the fact that

896
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:19,239
it wasn't getting any clear statement of intention as to

897
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:23,679
what to do. And that comes back to you can't

898
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,400
become target oriented on the golf course, Fred, unless you

899
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:31,679
practice target orientation on the range. Because this has to

900
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,920
become predominant mentality in order for you to take it

901
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,280
out to the golf course.

902
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 1: And do you find that more people on the range

903
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,559
that they're focused on just striking the ball over and

904
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:46,480
over as opposed to using a target.

905
00:55:47,559 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: Well, they might have a target thread, but they're not

906
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:54,519
actually paying attention to you, you see, the whole purpose

907
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:56,719
of my work is to help people understand how to

908
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:01,199
effectively manage their state in order to get to this

909
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,880
state of target orientation. You can't get your state right

910
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,760
if you don't have control over your self talk, and

911
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,280
you can't then get your attention in the right place

912
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,559
if you're or on target if your self talk is

913
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:20,000
out of control. You see, So it's an interaction, Fred,

914
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,880
You've got to get your state right to open up

915
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,000
your ability to focus. But you can't focus until you

916
00:56:25,039 --> 00:56:27,920
get your state right. So you have to have proper

917
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,400
breathing strategies and techniques as you're preparing to execute in

918
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:34,760
order to really open up your ability to get to

919
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,760
that target orientation. The whole purpose of this work, Fred,

920
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,920
as i said, is to get to that place where

921
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:46,400
you ultimately experience your freedom in your physical actions, just

922
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,840
as you would do hitting a baseball or using a hammer.

923
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,039
It's just a tool that you're using to carry out

924
00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:55,960
a task. You're not thinking about how to use the tool.

925
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:06,079
Speaker 4: We've been into this conversation for fifty nine minutes now, Colin,

926
00:57:06,639 --> 00:57:11,360
and I want to I know, I know, I can't.

927
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,079
I looked up at like you're kidding fifty nine minutes so,

928
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:18,559
but what I really wanted to get into. I think

929
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:22,760
we've gotten the point and the understanding of target orientation

930
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,119
as you've been talking about. I really wanted to talk

931
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:27,400
about the stage of skills if I if I've got

932
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,079
this correct, from unconscious and competence all the way through

933
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:34,320
unconscious competence, can we cover that?

934
00:57:35,719 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, Fred. The key thing is is that these

935
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:44,400
stages of learning that are often presented to people, the

936
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:48,039
idea of these stages is that we move from a

937
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:53,239
process of unconscious incompetence, which is where we don't really

938
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,400
know the skills that we need to learn before we

939
00:57:56,519 --> 00:58:01,119
start to develop the skills. But once we underst acquiring understanding,

940
00:58:01,199 --> 00:58:06,639
we start to become what's called unconscious competent, whereby we

941
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:09,000
sorry conscious.

942
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:15,519
Speaker 4: Aha, it's not just me, okay, all right, we started

943
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:23,800
unconscious incompetence, yeah, and the next stage would be conscious incompetence.

944
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we go through a series of repetitions in

945
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:33,159
which we are focusing on the skill. And this conscious

946
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:38,360
incompetence is where most golfers are trying to develop their swing.

947
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:44,039
And many people, through repetition start to show some skill

948
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,519
and they develop what is conscious competence. You see, they're

949
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:52,000
still thinking about the swinging of the golf clubs at

950
00:58:52,039 --> 00:58:55,599
this point, but they are becoming better than those people

951
00:58:55,679 --> 00:59:01,079
who have just started. And once you've started to develop

952
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:07,400
that proficiency in normal life skills, we shift our We

953
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:13,039
shift those motor skills to a state of unconscious competence,

954
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:19,320
so we stop consciously trying to control the motor skill

955
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,239
so that state of unconscious competence thread does not happen

956
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through repetition. Which is the biggest mistake people make is

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that they believe if they keep practicing the same way,

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they will get to a place of trust in that skill.

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The only plan you get to a place of trust

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in the skill is when you actually stop paying attention

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to it, and the way you achieve that in golf

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is by switching your attention away from it and onto

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the target. That shift thread happens naturally in most other

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life skills because we naturally want to be int in

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where we're going.

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Speaker 1: But you have to have some confidence in your golf

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swing to get there, so you can let go of it, don't.

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Speaker 3: You, Yeah, clearly, Fred, And this comes this comes back

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to how how you acquire the skill, And hopefully you'll

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have an opportunity to talk in detail with my with

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my partner who spent his life helping people understand that

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the skills acquisition process, you cannot have confidence in a

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skill that's not obviously been developed, but how that skill

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is developed, Fred, it requires you having to allow yourself

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to shift your attention away from that skill. You will

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stop yourself from ever getting to that place of trusting

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in it whilst you constantly only focus on it. So

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purpose of the work that I'm doing for is to

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give people an alternative way of practicing at the range

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called a trusting mode. So if you imagine there's a

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training mode and a trusting mode. Training mode is where

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an individual always gone to the range to work on

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a skill, a technical skill, when they've spent maybe half

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an hour doing that, and how that's being done can

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be significantly improved. Which but I'm not going to get

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involved in that discussion. That's where I'd like you to

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talk to my partner. But once you put aside the

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training mentality Fred, by switching into trust mode, what actually

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happens is you stop the analysis of your swing. You

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simply allow that swing to be what it is as

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it is developed. And so by developing a way of

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trust in that swing, by practicing breathing, state management, target orientation,

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you start to allow your attention and to shift external

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and your motor skill spread automatically start to move up

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into that state of unconscious competence because you're not consciously

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inhibiting them. It's the conscious inhibitor inhibiting of the motor

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skill because you're consciously always trying to control it. That

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01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:28,440
stops that from happening, you know, and that comes into again.

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It's very important to understand that whilst you're trying to

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develop a motor skill, you should also be training your

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attention at the same time, but that isn't happening today.

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So by using doctor Pipero's methods, you're able to keep

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the conscious mind engaged with a specific command whilst you're

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allowing the non conscious mind to move the golf club

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into the appropriate positions you need for a golf swing.

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The idea FRED is that we don't have Well, there

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are systems out there that do keep people within a framework,

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i e. You know, when we're sitting in a car learning,

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we're constrained by the vehicle. When we ride a bike,

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we're constrained by the vehicle. When we try and swing

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a golf club, there's nothing constraining us, is there. And

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yet there are systems out there, like the caves and

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others that allow you to be effectively training your body

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by but whilst being told whether or not you're in

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the correct positions through verbal feedback biofeedback. But at that time, fread,

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the conscious mind is still being left to its own

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devices and it's typically involved in the swing. We need

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to get the conscious mind out of the swing in

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order for that skills to move to that place of

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unconscious confidence that we're trying to achieve. And so yes,

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it does require golf does require an element of time

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where you do develop the skill. But if you're trying

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to develop the motor skill whilst hitting golf balls, your

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attention is simply so disparate. It's on so many different

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things that you really don't have an opportunity to ever

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develop the single pointed concentration that I'm talking about through

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target orientation. So what we're trying to advocate is that

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when a person learns is working on their technique, taking

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the advice that's being given to them by their coach,

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it's not enough for them to be hitting golf balls

1031
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and reacting to the outcome and trying to consciously change

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their motor skill, because you never develop a consistent motor

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pattern for swinging that golf club because you're always consciously

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trying to change it. It's like having a piece of

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jelly fred you never let set. You constantly shake it around,

1036
01:04:57,519 --> 01:05:01,519
and you're ending up developing competing memory, which you never

1037
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really know which ones you're going to draw on to

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swing that golf club. And so you're trying to ultimately

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allow the conscious mind to be parked for a time,

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to allow the non conscious self to move the body

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to the appropriate positions, and you start to through repetition

1042
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of these exercises, you start to develop a proficient golf swing.

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And in fact, if there's no ball in place, you know,

1044
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you ever notice how great people's practice swings are when

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on the golf course, and yet when they step up

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to the golf ball, that swing kind of disappears. Absolutely, Yeah,

1047
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that's what's happening. Fred. The intentional focus is very different

1048
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when you're trying to hit the golf ball because you swing,

1049
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:48,519
you're no longer just swinging the club through to your target.

1050
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You're actually trying to hit the golf ball or trying

1051
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:54,719
to control the swing, and that destroys the swing. So

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what we're advocating is that you develop a proficiency in

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01:05:57,719 --> 01:06:01,159
your golf swing. Start off development the swing. Put a

1054
01:06:01,199 --> 01:06:04,559
tea down on the ground, starting that without evaluating where

1055
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:08,440
the tea's going, just start feeling your golf swing is

1056
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starting to be consistent. And when you start to introduce

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the ball, you'll notice that the individual your attention starts

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01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,239
to go to the ball. And it's that in itself,

1059
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,400
which is is a problem because you end up trying

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to just hit the ball rather than swing through it

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to the target. So this whole process thread involves in

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slowly introducing these concepts so that people can transition through

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a skilled acquisition's phase relatively quick compared to what they're

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doing today. You know, years and years and years and

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years and years of repetition and practice doesn't manifest as

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trust on the golf course. Something is wrong. You would

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think that people could learn to trust their golf swings,

1068
01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:56,719
but they never do well. That's because of how they

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01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:01,880
are practicing, learning and playing the game. And what we're

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trying to do through our program is to just introduce

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a new set of skills that will make the most

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of the great PGA instruction that they're being given. But

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they need to learn how to shift their attention away

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from that in order to experience what it's like to

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play golf, not just swing golf clubs.

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Speaker 4: Excellent, all right, Well listen, Colin, I think we need

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to wrap this up. We're seventy minutes into the conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, Frank, we told total die.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure obviously obviously we can, but I to well

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respect to the audience, and actually I'd like to ask

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the audience a favor.

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Speaker 1: Does this resonate with you?

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01:07:41,719 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 4: I know we've talked about putting, We've talked about you know,

1084
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aim point, We've talked about various mechanics and thing and

1085
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,800
mental game things like that, but this specifically, how does

1086
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,199
this resonate with you? Does this work for you or

1087
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,000
you get this at all, And if I would love

1088
01:07:58,159 --> 01:08:00,440
just click on a Hey Fred button and send email

1089
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,480
tell me what you thought of this conversation with Colin.

1090
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Speaker 1: Hopefully you got to hear the entire thing.

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Speaker 4: And again it give how people get in touch with

1092
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,000
you where you are and how to work with you

1093
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if they want more.

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Speaker 3: My website is Target Oriented Golf. That's that's Target oriented

1095
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:21,880
which is r I E N TED golf dot com.

1096
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:27,680
I provide remote services. I ultimately help golfers. They go away,

1097
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:32,000
they video their pre shot routines and through a series

1098
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:36,600
of training manuals and videos, we help change their practice

1099
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,359
and methods so that they develop a new mental pre

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shot procedure, not a routine. The idea of it is.

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A routine is something you do without thought. That's the

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last thing that we need in order to get our

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01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,279
focus in the right place and the same place every time.

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So what I do is help them develop a mental

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01:08:55,359 --> 01:09:00,920
procedure which will give them a very disciplined, stmatic approach

1106
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,359
to every golf shot and it simplifies their golf. But

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01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:07,119
it takes time to practice and learn them Afraid, it's

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no quick fix here, Fred.

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Speaker 1: No, there never is they're never is in golf, Well

1110
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there is the Golf Smarter podcast is Colin.

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Speaker 4: It's been like I said, it's been eight years, it's

1112
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been six years. It's been a great talking to you again.

1113
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,399
I'm so glad that you're still focused on your target

1114
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,520
and that you're keeping us focused on our target.

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Speaker 1: It's really been great to have you back on the show.

1116
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Speaker 3: It's been a pleasure, Fred and I can't thank you

1117
01:09:32,279 --> 01:09:33,439
enough for giving me the opportunity