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<v Speaker 1>It's nice Eyes Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Boston's news Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Ohay, welcome back everyone. Thanks very miss Dan Watkins. My

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<v Speaker 3>name's Dan Ray. I'm the host of Nightside. Not to

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<v Speaker 3>be confused with Dan Watkins, the news guy you just heard.

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<v Speaker 3>We get a couple of Dans here at the station.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been here for a while and before that at WBCTV.

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<v Speaker 3>You might remember me from TV Days and well, we're

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<v Speaker 3>getting pretty close to finishing up year seventeen here on

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<v Speaker 3>WBC Radio. So we are going to talk about a

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<v Speaker 3>subject that is I think incredibly important to the city

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<v Speaker 3>of Boston, and that is adequate police staffing with us.

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<v Speaker 3>As Larry called Rone, he's the president of the Boston

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<v Speaker 3>Police Patrolmans Association. Larry, we have talked about this issue before.

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<v Speaker 3>The police Department tells me today that they're making some

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<v Speaker 3>progress on this. I have a statement from them that

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<v Speaker 3>I can share with you. But where do we stand

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<v Speaker 3>at this point in terms of police presence in Boston.

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<v Speaker 3>You go to New York, Yorks, a much bigger city.

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<v Speaker 3>They have a much bigger police department. I think they

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<v Speaker 3>have forty thousand police officers in New York or some

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<v Speaker 3>figure like that. But where do we stand in Boston

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<v Speaker 3>because the police are there, but they're not as visible

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<v Speaker 3>as they are in a lot of other cities.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you have that absolutely right, and I'd love to

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<v Speaker 2>hear the statement that came from the department hierarchy. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure you're going to share that with us before this

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<v Speaker 2>night's over. But you just take a look around before

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<v Speaker 2>you even tell me, I'll say my piece. Take a

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<v Speaker 2>look around your neighborhoods. Look when you're driving down the street,

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<v Speaker 2>do you ever see a police officer out there? The

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<v Speaker 2>police officers you see are the men and women that

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<v Speaker 2>are going by you with their licens iiring on going

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<v Speaker 2>from one call to the next call. The department is

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<v Speaker 2>running below minimum staffing. They can't keep up with the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of bodies that we need, especially through the weekend hours.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I have some information that I that I

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<v Speaker 2>want to share Again. It's I almost feel like every

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<v Speaker 2>time we're here, we're saying something negative about about the

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<v Speaker 2>department staff in levels. But a couple of weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 2>when you see the department finally coming out and admitting

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<v Speaker 2>publicly that they've identified two hundred and fifty nine police

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<v Speaker 2>officer positions that are vacant and available that they need immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>That real number is around four hundred. Everybody knows it.

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<v Speaker 2>If they're identifying in two fifty nine, that is an

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<v Speaker 2>absolute minimum that they think they need to get to

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<v Speaker 2>their minimum staff in levels, and we just can't get them.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't get the good candidates, you know, the residency.

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<v Speaker 2>The residency issue here in Boston. I know it was

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<v Speaker 2>needed at one time. It's in archaic system that we've

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<v Speaker 2>been running with now for the better half of two

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<v Speaker 2>and a half decades, and it's actually hurting the City

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<v Speaker 2>of Boston. On I suppose I can say that's one

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<v Speaker 2>side of the coin. Somebody will call in and tell

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<v Speaker 2>you it's absolutely needed. I'm sure for different reasons we

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<v Speaker 2>could argue both. But when we're talking about recruiting police

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<v Speaker 2>officer candidate, we just can't get them. The Commissioner is

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<v Speaker 2>saying it, and I'm saying it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, my understanding is that there was a real effort

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was about a year ago, or maybe

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<v Speaker 3>it was somewhere around a year ago, where the City

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<v Speaker 3>of Boston basically appealed to police officers in other communities

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<v Speaker 3>and recommended or proposed that they could transfer laterally from

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<v Speaker 3>wherever you know, Brookline or Pittsfield or Springfield or Lowell

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<v Speaker 3>or wherever becoming to Boston. And my understanding that that effort,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it was about a year ago, only

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<v Speaker 3>produced three new police officers, and that the vast majority

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<v Speaker 3>of those police officers from other communities who were willing

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<v Speaker 3>to come to Boston and wanted maybe the idea to

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<v Speaker 3>be in the big leagues because you play for the

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<v Speaker 3>Red Sox and the Big Leagues you work as a

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<v Speaker 3>Boston police officer. Not to diminish what goes on in

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<v Speaker 3>other departments around the state, but that is it the

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<v Speaker 3>vast majority of them who decided to withdraw their applications

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<v Speaker 3>or chose not to actually apply. We're concerned over the

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<v Speaker 3>requirement that they would have to move into Boston and

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<v Speaker 3>live for ten years within the city.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, concerned is a nice way for you to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say it a little bit more directly. Yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>had about sixty candidates, fully trained, fully post certified police

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<v Speaker 2>officers that came to an open house briefing by the

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<v Speaker 2>Department for Lateral Transfers, and a little over fifty got

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<v Speaker 2>up mid conversation because the answers coming from the department

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<v Speaker 2>were you had to be a resident of the city

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<v Speaker 2>of Boston, you had to move into the city.

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<v Speaker 4>And look, let's face it.

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<v Speaker 2>Men and women that have families that are in different

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<v Speaker 2>school systems, that have friends situated, mortgages that are already

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<v Speaker 2>a third or half the way into They're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to uproot their families and move to the most expensive

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<v Speaker 2>city in Massachusetts where the median house price is well

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<v Speaker 2>up at eight and nine h grede thousand dollars or more.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not going to happen. And I'm hopping right

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<v Speaker 2>away on the residency issue, not because I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of it in a totality. What I'm trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do is gain some attention from our elected officials

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<v Speaker 2>stand that we need to be treated just like the

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<v Speaker 2>nine to one one operators in the police department. When

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<v Speaker 2>they did their contract just a year ago, there was

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<v Speaker 2>a waiver system for residency requirement until the police department,

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<v Speaker 2>the Boston Police Department acquired enough nine one one operators

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<v Speaker 2>to meet the minimum staffing. Now they won't offer that

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<v Speaker 2>to future police officers. My question is why I've asked

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<v Speaker 2>the city councilors why our streets right now are less

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<v Speaker 2>safe than they were a year ago. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's not popular for me to say that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>trying to scare anybody, but we had a police officer

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<v Speaker 2>struck by a vehicle a week ago. We had a

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<v Speaker 2>police officer today that was extremely injured by a dump

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<v Speaker 2>truck on a private detail, but yet on a public roadway.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, Larry, if you could share with us,

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<v Speaker 3>and again I am I don't want to impinge on

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<v Speaker 3>his or her privacy, but I'm just curious. The reports

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<v Speaker 3>are that this officer was injured, but he will survive.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that correct? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, we very strongly believe that he will survive.

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<v Speaker 2>He is recovering, he's doing as well as can be.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to respect his family and his wishes as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But we thank everybody for the quick response, the calls

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<v Speaker 2>and the concerns that we've been getting from friends, family,

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors and just citizens that we run into throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>afternoon today. So we thank everybody for that. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know I'm going to jump now from police officers

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<v Speaker 2>answer to nine to one calls, but public safety details,

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<v Speaker 2>that's where you see police officers on the street. The

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<v Speaker 2>officers that you see in the middle of the roadway,

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<v Speaker 2>that that's somebody performing a private a privately paid public

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<v Speaker 2>safety detail for what reason, for the exact reason that

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<v Speaker 2>happened to our officer. Today, we can't have a family

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<v Speaker 2>of six or eight, or people visiting from out of

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<v Speaker 2>state in Boston getting struck by cars, getting hit by

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<v Speaker 2>dump trucks, by getting knocked into construction zone holes like

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<v Speaker 2>we had a couple of years ago on Congress Street.

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<v Speaker 4>There is a.

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<v Speaker 2>Reason why police offices are required at construction sites in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is a prime example of one, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>when you see them Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>It also emphasizes that there are very few jobs in

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<v Speaker 3>the world, and certainly very few in Boston, where you

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<v Speaker 3>leave your house in the morning and you have no

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<v Speaker 3>idea what you're going to face that day. Most of us,

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<v Speaker 3>the worst thing we face is a boss who's mad

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<v Speaker 3>at us, or some equipment that doesn't work, or some

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<v Speaker 3>appointments that are canceled and missed. But we're not out

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<v Speaker 3>there facing people with knives and guns or in mental

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<v Speaker 3>distressful situations where officers can be badly injured, as even

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<v Speaker 3>on a detail. And that's The other thing that I

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<v Speaker 3>think is so important to emphasize to people who might say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>these guys they make too much money, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they don't want to live in the city, and you

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<v Speaker 3>know all the all the and nobody's happy. The only

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<v Speaker 3>time people are happy with a police officer is when

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<v Speaker 3>they need a police officer.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, yeah, you have that right.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's there's a lot of reasons that I can

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<v Speaker 2>point about. The salaries that the Globe was just printing

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of weeks back. They were talking about an

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight million dollar overtime budget.

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<v Speaker 1>Tom.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our topic tonight. We are extremely understaffed. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to give you some numbers if and when you want them.

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<v Speaker 3>But let me we're going to we've got to take

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<v Speaker 3>a break. I want to come back. I certainly am

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<v Speaker 3>going to read to you the statement from There's probably

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<v Speaker 3>no surprise there, but I want to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>we we're looking to have Commissioner Cocks come on. We've

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<v Speaker 3>had that invitation out to him now since last fall.

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<v Speaker 3>I can understand that the Commission is pretty busy, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'd love to have him come on some night and

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<v Speaker 3>answer questions of citizens in Boston. But that's a story

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<v Speaker 3>for I'll deal that out with my good friend maryell

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<v Speaker 3>and Burns at some point, and I'm sure it will happen.

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<v Speaker 3>But in the meantime, I do have a statement from

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<v Speaker 3>mauryel and Burns, a former colleague of mine at Channel four,

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<v Speaker 3>who's now her position is the chief of Internet and

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<v Speaker 3>External internal and external Communications. The Boston Police Department. Talked

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<v Speaker 3>with her this afternoon and we'll be back if you're

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<v Speaker 3>out there and you'd like to join the conversation with

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<v Speaker 3>Larry Callderone, the head of the Boston Police Patrolman's Association,

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<v Speaker 3>the president of that group that represents I don't know,

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen sixteen hundred police officer in Boston. We'll nail that

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<v Speaker 3>down with Larry. On the other side, we'll have some

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<v Speaker 3>numbers for you and we'll have some good conversation. Feel

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<v Speaker 3>free to join us on night side. Six one seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 3>ten thirty is the number everyone knows, and then the

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<v Speaker 3>other line, which some people know, some people don't. Six one, seven,

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<v Speaker 3>after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back to Dan Ray the Window World night Sight

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<v Speaker 2>Studios on WBZ News.

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<v Speaker 3>Radio with me as the president of the Boston Police

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<v Speaker 3>Patrolman's Association, Larry called Rome. Let's go to some numbers first, Larry,

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<v Speaker 3>right now, your membership that you represent of the Boston

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<v Speaker 3>Police Department, approximately how many members?

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<v Speaker 2>Approximately sixteen hundred men and women answering the calls for

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<v Speaker 2>service in the now.

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<v Speaker 3>Apart from those sixteen hundred men and women, those are

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<v Speaker 3>all people who are below the ranks of sergeant or

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<v Speaker 3>do you russo represent upwards what I would call the NCOs?

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<v Speaker 2>I know those are strictly patrol offices, that is, the

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<v Speaker 2>rank and file out on the street answering those calls

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<v Speaker 2>for service. It does not include the supervisors or detectives.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so let's assume we add in supervisors, detectives, and

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<v Speaker 3>command staff. What's the balance, forget the administrative staff. What

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<v Speaker 3>is the balance of the entire department in terms of numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>which would include everyone from the commissioner run down to

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<v Speaker 2>While the last numbers that I knew DAN were somewhere

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<v Speaker 2>approximately around the twenty excuse me, the two thousand to

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty one hundred number, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>those numbers are including non sworn personnel. You know staff,

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<v Speaker 2>administrative staff or not. I can only absolutely verify the

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<v Speaker 2>members in my membership.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So those are the numbers as of today. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you compare those numbers to a larger city like

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<v Speaker 3>comparable in terms of size, where do we stand on

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<v Speaker 2>Would you say, I almost have to control of my

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<v Speaker 2>left that, Dan, I'm going to refer back to an

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<v Speaker 2>ordinance from nineteen seventy nine and go way back when

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<v Speaker 2>there is an ordinance file that requires even though the

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<v Speaker 2>department never does it or the city leadership, but it

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<v Speaker 2>requires twenty five hundred uniform police officers. Twenty five hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't even have that in the totality of everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in the department, of every rank, never mind's want police

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<v Speaker 2>officer's answer and the calls for service. And you think

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<v Speaker 2>about the amount of increase in population for city residents

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<v Speaker 2>today compared to nineteen seventy nine, I mean, it's it's laughable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we were down around six hundred thousand, if I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and currently We're up somewhere around seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>That's a thirty percent increase. Okay, So here's the statement

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<v Speaker 3>from Mary ellen Burns.

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<v Speaker 2>Day I can I and I apologize I came right

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<v Speaker 2>out of the box on fire at nine o'clock. Is

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<v Speaker 2>that we had a very busy day. I'd be remiss

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<v Speaker 2>if I didn't thank the men and women of all

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<v Speaker 2>ranks throughout the entire department, including our civilian staff, from

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<v Speaker 2>the Commissioner all the way through. You know that they

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<v Speaker 2>work our day in and day out. Everybody's putting in

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<v Speaker 2>lose sight of the fact that we are working as

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<v Speaker 2>it's game as a whole, around the clock. So I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say thank you to them and you and I.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a very avid listener, supporter of your show,

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<v Speaker 2>of what you do every day, and a supporter of

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<v Speaker 2>police officers around the Commonweald. Her name is Joan Giannino.

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<v Speaker 2>She is she has been listening to your show for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the nice way I'm going to say it. She

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<v Speaker 2>is the mother of state Representative Jessica Giannino, who is

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<v Speaker 2>a very strong supporter of first responders, police fire EMTs.

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<v Speaker 2>She's the state rep outier there doing a tremendous job

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<v Speaker 2>since being elected up on Beacon Hill, so I know

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<v Speaker 2>she listens every night. I know both her and Mom

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<v Speaker 2>take the opportunity when they can to be together to

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<v Speaker 2>listen to your show. So hopefully she's listening because I

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<v Speaker 2>want to say thank you to the both of them.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I have a new favorite state representative now.

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<v Speaker 2>My boss reps are going to be upset at that one,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're great too. But Jessica, Jessica has really been

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<v Speaker 2>a strong vocal voice for all first responders, especially police officers,

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to say thank you to her and

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<v Speaker 2>Mom as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That's great. Now we got the good stuff out of

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<v Speaker 3>the way. Now we'll go to what the city's saying.

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<v Speaker 3>So the city saying that Mayor Woohren Commissioner cogs have

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<v Speaker 3>highly prioritized the recruitment of sworn officers. Large diverse classes

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<v Speaker 3>of officers have put on each year since two thousand

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<v Speaker 3>and two. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that is correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, another will graduate this fall. Correct, that is correct?

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<v Speaker 3>And two more slated to graduate in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Approximately five hundred candidates who took the most recent mass

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<v Speaker 3>Civil service Exam attended in orientation session last week. I

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<v Speaker 2>It's funny you didn't ask me correct on those other

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<v Speaker 2>two classes, so I have no knowledge. I cannot verify

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<v Speaker 2>that there are one or two classes there will be

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>My understanding, at least from what I saw in the

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<v Speaker 2>to two recruit investigations, which they normally do to stop

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<v Speaker 2>background checks. So I will agree that something is in

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<v Speaker 2>the work. I just don't know those numbers down.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. So then the police Spokesperson's Day writes, approximately five

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<v Speaker 3>hundred candidates, now that's not officers the most recent mass

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<v Speaker 3>Civil Service Exam attended an orientation session last week. We

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<v Speaker 3>returned this weekend for interviews and next steps closer to

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if those people are included in the

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<v Speaker 3>previous references, but we'll let that go. These large numbers

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<v Speaker 3>were the result of an intentional recruitment effort by the

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<v Speaker 3>BPD to not only increase numbers of new officers, but

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<v Speaker 3>to ensure that they reflect the residents we serve. Our

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<v Speaker 3>they are very well trained. Their great work continues to

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<v Speaker 3>All of that, you know, we we support and we

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<v Speaker 3>agree with. Obviously you're concerned is the I assume that

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<v Speaker 3>that part of the problem is not only the entrance

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<v Speaker 3>to the department, but also the end of the pipeline.

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<v Speaker 3>How many officers every year now are retiring. These would

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<v Speaker 3>be police officers who came on anytime in the early

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen nineties. They're all hitting thirty years at this point, right.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, if one in in nineteen ninety four, you're

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<v Speaker 3>celebrating thirty years as a Boston Police officer. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you know, Dan, I as well as you,

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<v Speaker 2>I have a found respect for Mary ellen Burns. So

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<v Speaker 2>when I say this, it's not to tan of hearn anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>But if I had my media guru, Jamie Kinneely, sit

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<v Speaker 2>down and write a statement, it would sound it would

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<v Speaker 2>sound great and fabulous, just like that. It would talk

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<v Speaker 2>about all the things that we do from a union standpoint,

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<v Speaker 2>to help the department and the citizens of Boston, and

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<v Speaker 2>it all be true. So her statements, yes, they are true.

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<v Speaker 2>The department did hire one hundred and twenty five last year,

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<v Speaker 2>another one hundred this year. They probably are looking to

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<v Speaker 2>hire next year. But what's missing in those statements is

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<v Speaker 2>a year ago, we hired one hundred and twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>and we lost one hundred and ten plus another twenty

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<v Speaker 2>odd bodies to the fire department. Just recently, we graduated

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<v Speaker 2>another one hundred and one hundred, one hundred and ten

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<v Speaker 2>police officers in Our attrition rate that year was ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 2>so we're netting thirty bodies at a time. So when

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<v Speaker 2>a statement comes out like that, a written statement to

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<v Speaker 2>say that, hey, we hired two hundred and fifty in

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<v Speaker 2>the last few years, the neglected to tell the general

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<v Speaker 2>population that the net count was more likely fifty or

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<v Speaker 2>sixty bodies, Which is why we doubled our forty four

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar overtime budget the budget that were actually granted

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<v Speaker 2>to eighty eight million this past fiscal year. Because we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have the bodies to put on the street. We're

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<v Speaker 2>taking we're taking band aids and putting it over the

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<v Speaker 2>gaping wounds that we have in the department, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>sugar coated for good reason. We don't want to scare

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<v Speaker 2>the general public. But the reality is, I'm men and

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<v Speaker 2>women are being ordered eighty ninety hours a week. Last

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<v Speaker 2>just a couple of weeks ago, we had an eleven

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<v Speaker 2>year old that was shot at a party. Seven people

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<v Speaker 2>were shot, one was eleven year old, two of my

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<v Speaker 2>belief passed, and just a couple of nights later, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the stations very close to ran ran the midnight

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<v Speaker 2>shift with six bodies on the street, half of what

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<v Speaker 2>the minimum internal staffing level is. That is completely unsafe.

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<v Speaker 3>It is, well, it's unsafe for the officers, Larry, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's also unsafe for the public. Yes, if you're making

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<v Speaker 3>all the chances of someone getting there in a timely

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<v Speaker 3>fashion or heck, a watt left less when the when

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<v Speaker 3>the staffing is fifty percent of what should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Dan, you have an incident like the police

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<v Speaker 2>officer that was that was struck by the car just

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<v Speaker 2>last week, they call out, as you know, what's called

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<v Speaker 2>the emergency deployment teams. That is two to three offices

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<v Speaker 2>from every station in the city on that shift. So

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<v Speaker 2>if we have a major incident and they take two

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<v Speaker 2>or three bodies from a station that's only operating with

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<v Speaker 2>six or eight on the street. You're now you're down

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty thirty five percent capacity, And people should be

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<v Speaker 2>worried about that. Taxpayers should be concerned, and they should

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<v Speaker 2>be outraged that they're not being told the truth and

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<v Speaker 2>that their men and women in uniform are being way overworked.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, from what I understand, the supervisor made a

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<v Speaker 2>good call. I and I agree with that supervisor. They

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<v Speaker 2>didn't order a third shift, they didn't order a police

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<v Speaker 2>officer to work twenty four hours that night because it

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<v Speaker 2>was unsafe for them in the public, but yet they

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<v Speaker 2>ran at half staff. Now, when you talk to Mary

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<v Speaker 2>ellen Burns or anybody in the command staff, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to tell you we don't have minimum staffing levels.

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<v Speaker 2>We absolutely do. And I understand why they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell the general public any given time, date, or

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<v Speaker 2>specific station what those levels are, because public safety is

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<v Speaker 2>important and we should keep the upper hand. I've been

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<v Speaker 2>doing this for thirty years myself. But what we're putting

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<v Speaker 2>off says in the general public at risk. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna draw the line. And that's where I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>come on this show and say so, Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>Guess Larry cal Larone, he's the president of the Boston

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<v Speaker 3>Police Patrolmans Association. We're gonna go to phone calls right

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<v Speaker 3>after the break. I'm sure Larry has more to say,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'd like to get some questions from both police officers,

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<v Speaker 3>family members of police officers, as well as citizens of

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<v Speaker 3>Boston or elsewhere. This is important, particularly if you either

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<v Speaker 3>live in Boston or visit this great city. Six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>My guest is Larry Calarone. He's the president of the

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<v Speaker 3>Boston Police Patrolmans Association. So let's get to phone calls. Larry,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure there's probably some other things you want to cite,

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<v Speaker 3>but let's let's let's incorporate some callers into the control.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely all right, Great.

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<v Speaker 3>Here we go. Let's go to Dave up in New

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<v Speaker 3>Hampshire day first tonight here on Side with Larry called

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<v Speaker 3>Arome go ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Dave, Yeah, thank you for taking citizens phone calls. I

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<v Speaker 6>got to ask if you have if there's not security

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<v Speaker 6>in bostments, it's not if the DPD is not able

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<v Speaker 6>to you know, keep Boston safe, then I have a

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<v Speaker 6>suggested solution.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you just by the way, just.

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<v Speaker 3>For just for clarification date. I don't think that's what

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<v Speaker 3>Larry said. I don't think he's saying they can't keep

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<v Speaker 3>Boston safe. I think he feels that they need me

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<v Speaker 3>more resources not only to keep the city safe, but

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<v Speaker 3>to cut back on the amount of forced overtime that

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<v Speaker 3>police officers have to work, which is potentially dangerous for

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<v Speaker 3>them as well as citizens. Go ahead, Dave, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with that premise clarified, what's your question.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, police departments have discretion in who they arrest, So

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<v Speaker 1>can't you exercise your discretion to make fewer arrests for

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<v Speaker 1>victimless crime laws like carrying a firearm in Boston without

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<v Speaker 3>Or it's a pretty serious crime. I would think let's

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<v Speaker 3>get Larry's response to the so called victimless crimes. Marijuana

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<v Speaker 3>possession is no longer a crime, you know that, Dave.

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<v Speaker 3>But carrying an unlicensed firearm I believe is an arrestable offense. Larry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, Dave. First off, thanks for taking the

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<v Speaker 2>time to call and to listen into the show, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's an important topic and I'm not buying any way,

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<v Speaker 2>shape or form saying that Boston it's not safe. We

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<v Speaker 2>are one of these safest cities in America, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>because of the hard work that the men and women

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<v Speaker 2>in the police department do day in and day out.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm complaining about, and when i want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that I'm stressing to everyone that's listening, is that

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<v Speaker 2>we are concerned not only about protecting the citizens of

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<v Speaker 2>Boston and our visitors, We're concerned about the health of

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<v Speaker 2>safety and the mental wellness mental wellness of our officers

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<v Speaker 2>in general. No one should work twenty four hours a day.

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<v Speaker 2>No one should work ninety or one hundred hours a week.

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<v Speaker 2>That is what my membership is being faced with week

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<v Speaker 2>after week after week. It's unsafe. It's unsafe for everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>but especially a police officer. So that's what we're stressing

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<v Speaker 2>over here. As far as victimless crimes, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>suggest that and then I'm going to show my age here, Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>But William Bratton, I don't know if you know former

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<v Speaker 2>commissioner here in New York LA very well respected as

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<v Speaker 2>a law enforcement guru. When he came to Boston thirty

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, he touted a book called Broken Windows. I

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<v Speaker 2>would ask you to read it and then if you

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<v Speaker 2>want police, call me at the Boston Police Patrolman's Union

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<v Speaker 2>Hall and we can discuss it. Because it's exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking about. Simple. What you would say is a

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<v Speaker 2>victimless crime. The victim is actually the people that live

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<v Speaker 2>in the neighborhood. The people are the citizens of Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want unlicensed gun owners walking around. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>want shoplifters stealing out of the store, preventing from mom

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<v Speaker 2>and pops to us from making a living. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>want crime in the city of Boston of any nature.

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<v Speaker 2>And as police officers, we are going to uphold the law.

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<v Speaker 2>But please read that book and if you want to

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<v Speaker 2>discuss it, I'm always available to do so.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to follow up question Dave, No, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for the transparency.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, You're more than welcome, appreciate your call. Good question,

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<v Speaker 3>and I understand the question. You know where Dave is

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<v Speaker 3>coming from on that question. Let me go next to

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<v Speaker 3>Joe and Boston. Joe, you next on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 7>Welcome, Hey Dan, thanks taking my call. Matth and Cast

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<v Speaker 7>is being picked up again when the mayor first go

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<v Speaker 7>like that, she's going to clean it up. She didn't

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<v Speaker 7>get the tenth out last year. But it's worth now

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<v Speaker 7>than it's ever been. The table was never the best

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<v Speaker 7>area in the city. Wasn't Beacon Hill, but you could

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<v Speaker 7>always walk through that neighborhood. You couldn't walk through that

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<v Speaker 7>year right now without get an assault or whatever. Is

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<v Speaker 7>there anything we see that the Bible can do about.

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<v Speaker 4>That, Pete?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for calling mass and Cast. Big concern of our membership,

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<v Speaker 2>of everybody that resides comes through in business Boston as

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<v Speaker 2>well as well as our elected officials and the police Commission.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give them kudos to here, Pete. But

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<v Speaker 2>I I myself actually was there this past Saturday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>I was down there because we have police officers stationed

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<v Speaker 2>at various locations surrounding massing Casts. We have them there

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<v Speaker 2>around the clock, and I was down having conversations about

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<v Speaker 2>are we still being effective, what can we do better?

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<v Speaker 5>Etc.

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<v Speaker 2>But the problem really lies in bodies the offices that

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<v Speaker 2>are down there. They're down there on overtime. They're filling

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<v Speaker 2>those ships around the clock. Like I said, on overtime

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<v Speaker 2>and the minute ware in the police about we are

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<v Speaker 2>making a difference. Not only for the people that do

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<v Speaker 2>need our assistance, that be in the mass and cast occupiers.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I would say they need assistance and we're

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<v Speaker 2>providing along with other mental health professionals, but so do

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<v Speaker 2>the surrounding communities, the residents and the store owners. And

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<v Speaker 2>we just don't have enough police officers to go around.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's one of the things that we're talking about here, Pete.

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<v Speaker 2>So I appreciate your concern and you're calling in.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Thanks you, Joe, appreciate your calling. Let's get

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<v Speaker 3>another one here before the break. Let me go to

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<v Speaker 3>Lamar in Boston. Lamara, next time, I side with Larry

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<v Speaker 3>called their own president of the Boston Police Patrolman's Association.

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<v Speaker 8>Go right ahead, Lamar, Well, good evening, Thank you for

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<v Speaker 8>taking my call. And Officer Calderona. I do want to

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<v Speaker 8>emphathize with the officers, you know, working extraordinarily long hours.

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<v Speaker 8>That's not healthy for the human body, you know, working

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<v Speaker 8>seventy eighty ninety one hundred hours, you know, I've experienced

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<v Speaker 8>some of that, and it's and it's not healthy. Number one. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 8>regarding shortages, the best explanation that I've heard heard over

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<v Speaker 8>the years has been due to demographics. I'm of baby

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<v Speaker 8>boom generation. After my generation, there was a baby bust general,

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<v Speaker 8>not enough people being born. As a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 8>the Cato Institute puts out the Cato Journal, and during

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<v Speaker 8>the spring summer of twenty eighteen, they had an issue

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<v Speaker 8>that an article that said Demographics and their implications for

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<v Speaker 8>the economy and public policy. One of the sentences in

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<v Speaker 8>there says that in twenty eighteen, the US fertility rate

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<v Speaker 8>was one point eighty eight births per woman. That's less

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<v Speaker 8>than the replacement rate of two point one babies per women.

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<v Speaker 8>So you know, and so part of what you're experiencing

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<v Speaker 8>is a demographic downturn that is experienced in many professions.

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<v Speaker 8>Many praise And I'll just say one thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>regarding first responders in the healthcare industry, it may have

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<v Speaker 8>I read it may have.

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<v Speaker 3>Can we deal with that first with Lamar? Lamar? Can

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<v Speaker 3>we deal with that? Because you threw a lot at

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<v Speaker 3>him there. Okay, So I think what you were trying

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<v Speaker 3>to say, is that because of a down draft in

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<v Speaker 3>the birth rate, there are on as many people who

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<v Speaker 3>were coming into the workforce. I think that's essentially what

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<v Speaker 3>you were saying.

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<v Speaker 8>Correct, That's one of the things. And let me let

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<v Speaker 8>me you know, I'm glad you interrupted because like well,

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<v Speaker 8>like Lamar, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Didn't really interrupt. I'm just trying to understand your question,

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<v Speaker 3>what your comment is. I just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 3>I understand what you just saying, and Larry understands. So

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<v Speaker 3>you're saying, is that, okay, this there are fewer people

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<v Speaker 3>who are applying to become police officers. Is that what

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<v Speaker 3>your your theory? Because there's been a drop in the

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<v Speaker 3>birth rate at some point twenty or so years ago.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I cited one source, the Cato Wins too.

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<v Speaker 8>I know that, Okay, there are many other sources that

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<v Speaker 8>address the issue of demographics.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not Lamar, I'm not disputing your source. Trust me.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm simply trying to understand in normal language what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I understand it, but I want to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure that I understand it. I think you're saying is

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<v Speaker 3>that there's been a drop off in a birth rate.

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<v Speaker 3>A baby bust generation, whatever you want to call it,

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<v Speaker 3>and that therefore there are fewer people entering the workforce

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<v Speaker 3>for which police departments can choose.

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<v Speaker 8>Correct, that's it, That is correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay. Let's first of all Larry to respond to that

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<v Speaker 3>if he sees that as a factor in their their

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<v Speaker 3>their concern, Okay, and then we'll get to your second point.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair enough.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, Dan, go ahead, Larry Lamar, thanks for calling,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for doing the homework and the insight on it.

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<v Speaker 2>What's what's the Cato Institute's knowledge and numbers? But I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you that we definitely all of that attributes

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<v Speaker 2>to where we are today in policing. There are a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more reasons as well. One I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>talk about our own department. That that means me included.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to do a better way. We need to

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<v Speaker 2>make this job more attractive. We need to do something

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<v Speaker 2>with our residency policy. We need to do something to

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<v Speaker 2>make younger men and women want to be police officers.

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<v Speaker 2>There's plenty of people lining up to join the fire department,

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<v Speaker 2>to be nurses, to get into the medical field. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to as police officers, department staff unions. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to work together to find better ways to recruit candidates

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<v Speaker 2>to put the uniform on and serve others.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we were just talking about math and CAS

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know if you were able to hit that, Lamar,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was talking about low staffing there and how

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<v Speaker 2>we had visited. But we're all the social work. What

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<v Speaker 2>we've heard the past couple of years is how social

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<v Speaker 2>workers want to be working hand in hand with law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement to handle the mental health crisis down at Mass

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<v Speaker 2>and CAST. But there's none there. So my question is why,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not blaming anybody, but why not have more medical

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<v Speaker 2>professionals there? Where are EMT's. How come we don't hire

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<v Speaker 2>more of them? So I think you're onto something, as

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting long winded myself, but we need to make

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<v Speaker 2>this job more attractive and come up with ways to

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<v Speaker 2>recruit more bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me get Lamar's second point. Lamar said you had

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<v Speaker 3>a second point.

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<v Speaker 8>Go ahead, Yes, well again, this demographic trend is affecting

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<v Speaker 8>so many professions. You mentioned EMTs. There is a shortage

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<v Speaker 8>of nursing teachers. Okay, I would imagine that possibly there

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<v Speaker 8>is a shortage of teachers for or e mts you know,

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<v Speaker 8>we see periodic, we hear periodically that various schools are

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<v Speaker 8>closing because of declining enrollment.

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<v Speaker 6>You see.

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<v Speaker 8>So what my point is, you know, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 8>disagreeing with you know, I agree with everything that you say,

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<v Speaker 8>Officer called the Rome, you know, but I what I'm

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<v Speaker 8>you know, pressing for is a greater understanding of the

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<v Speaker 8>dynamics of the forces that influence us.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so Lamar, let's let lamar, let let's say that

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<v Speaker 3>you're absolutely right. I'm not trying to argue this with

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<v Speaker 3>you at all. Let's assume you're absolutely right. What's the

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<v Speaker 3>solution that you could come up with or is there

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<v Speaker 3>just a situation where we got to say, until the

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<v Speaker 3>baby boomlet occurs ten of fifteen years from now, that

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<v Speaker 3>we have to deal with fewer police officers and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe fewer college students. Harvard and BC and BU there,

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<v Speaker 3>they're still getting thirty thirty five, forty thousand applicants every year.

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<v Speaker 3>In terms of colleges. There are some colleges that have

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<v Speaker 3>gone out in recent years. You're correct on that, but

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<v Speaker 3>the biggies are still draw on that big crowd. So

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<v Speaker 3>what's the solution, Lamar?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I'm glad you raised that question because what I

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<v Speaker 8>have read from various law enforcement sources, okay, that how

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<v Speaker 8>law enforcement is progressing the shortages is that they are

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<v Speaker 8>some in the law enforcement community would say lowering their standards.

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<v Speaker 8>For instance, they're allowing officers in some jurisdictions, we're tattoos.

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<v Speaker 8>They are allowing officers to we're longer here, okay. And

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<v Speaker 8>also many departments had educational requirements, such as college requirements,

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<v Speaker 8>and what I've read from law enforcement sources is that

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<v Speaker 8>those educational requirements are being relaxed.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let me pull a marble gone eight minutes here,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm five minutes past by break, so I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to get a quick comment from Larry. And I wish

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<v Speaker 3>they would you would called early because I got pack

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<v Speaker 3>lines and I'm five minutes past my break and we've

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<v Speaker 3>been doing this now for eight minutes. So, Larry, are

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<v Speaker 3>they relaxing certain? I mean, you know, cops can police

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<v Speaker 3>officers wear tattoos, longer hair? Is that the answer?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I got to tell you she's spot on, Lama,

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<v Speaker 2>spot on a lot of things. He's saying. I think

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<v Speaker 2>we could do a whole show around his point of view, Dan,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not something that I can start commenting on

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<v Speaker 2>department policy and who can wear tattoos and long hair.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that that's secondary to what I'm looking to accomplish tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I'm looking to accomplish is making sure that

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<v Speaker 2>we're keeping Boston safe. How citizens, I'm men and women

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<v Speaker 2>in uniform, and that really needs to be the topic

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<v Speaker 2>that I I want to stay on it another time, Lamar. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>you can find me at the patrolman disposition if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to give me a call on I'm interested in

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<v Speaker 2>everything you say, but I just think we're losing valuable

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<v Speaker 2>time here for any other callers that might be trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get a word in.

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<v Speaker 3>Lamar, Thank you much. I did nine minutes. I got

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<v Speaker 3>to run. Thank you very much. Keep calling the show.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Back on Nightside right after this break.

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<v Speaker 2>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 2>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, Larry, in some communities in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>I just follow up on what Lamar said, amongst others,

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<v Speaker 3>Illinois will allow some non citizens to be police, but

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<v Speaker 3>only those authorized to work and own a gun. So

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<v Speaker 3>we have non citizens not only in Illinois, but in

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<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles, I believe in Port Lan, Argon and elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me go to Penny and Lowell Penny next on

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<v Speaker 3>Nightside with Larry Calderone. Go right ahead, Penny.

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<v Speaker 9>Hi, my dad was a police officer for thirty two

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<v Speaker 9>years in California and things are definitely different.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you for your service. What city did you work

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<v Speaker 3>in in California?

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<v Speaker 9>What town with community, Marine County, California.

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<v Speaker 3>North of San Francisco. Nice area?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, So what is stopping them from getting rid

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<v Speaker 9>of this ridiculous archade rule that you have to live

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<v Speaker 9>in Boston to be a police officer?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Harry, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question, Penny. Feel free to call Police

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<v Speaker 2>Commissioner Michael Cox and ask them why. I'm not quite sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Along with a good majority of our city council that

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<v Speaker 2>won't even entertain at least waving it for a short

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<v Speaker 2>period of time, I want to make sure I'm clear.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sitting here trying to be cute on a

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<v Speaker 2>collective bargaining platform and say, hey, this is a sneaky

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<v Speaker 2>way to get rid of it. I'm asking for what

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<v Speaker 2>they've already done for the police department, for our nine

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<v Speaker 2>one one operators. They've waived it until they get back

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<v Speaker 2>to their minimum staffing. They won't even consider it. They

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<v Speaker 2>won't even have a conversation about it. And clearly that

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<v Speaker 2>is an obstacle that we just encountered last year. We

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<v Speaker 2>could have had roughly sixty fully trained, certified police officers

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<v Speaker 2>to lateral right over here and start taking calls for

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<v Speaker 2>service and believe some of this overtime, but they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>do it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I should.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank Dad for the service too. I apologize it in

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<v Speaker 2>the lead with that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Also, have they done some out of the box thinking,

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<v Speaker 9>like using some of this eight and eighty million in

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<v Speaker 9>overtime to buy up properties as incentives to get police

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<v Speaker 9>officers or first time home buyer help, benefits that you know,

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<v Speaker 9>may help them come to Boston, because let's face it,

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<v Speaker 9>police officers do not make enough money for what they do.

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<v Speaker 9>There is no a police officer can afford to live

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<v Speaker 9>in Boston. That's ridiculous. And Lamar was right, there is

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<v Speaker 9>a shortage of people having kids because they can't afford them.

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<v Speaker 9>That's a whole nother conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Thanks Benny, appreciate it, appreciate you calling you

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<v Speaker 3>in Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Penny, Sure, thanks Penny.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me go to Steve and you make a plane. Steve,

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<v Speaker 3>you're the last call of the hour. You got to

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<v Speaker 3>be quick for me and making an exception trying to

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<v Speaker 3>get you in here under the work.

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<v Speaker 5>Go ahead, Steve, big fan of the show. Just called

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<v Speaker 5>to say thank you to Larry. Larry, thank you and

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<v Speaker 5>the selfless, hard working men and women of the Boston

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<v Speaker 5>Police Department. I'm a Bostonian. I appreciate you guys. Keep

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<v Speaker 5>up the great work. Thank you, Dan, You're more.

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<v Speaker 3>Than welcome, Larry Kahn. And on a more.

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<v Speaker 4>Positive note, that's that's a great call. Yet, you gotta

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<v Speaker 4>love my fellow JP resident. No, that's fantastic. That's what

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<v Speaker 4>we're looking ahead, Dan. We want residents to to say

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<v Speaker 4>Hi Diddy. Police officers on the street. We want them

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<v Speaker 4>to wave and be part of the community. We want

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<v Speaker 4>them calling your show and saying things like that. And really,

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<v Speaker 4>I appreciate the kind words to me and what I'm doing,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's really about the.

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<v Speaker 2>Men and women in uniform I represent, Steve. They're the

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<v Speaker 2>ones answering the calls for service, they're the ones getting

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<v Speaker 2>ordered eighty ninety hours a week. I'm putting in plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of hours myself, but I am not the guy that's

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<v Speaker 2>being told they can't go to their kids ball game,

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<v Speaker 2>and can't make their vacation and can't take a day off.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the men and women in uniform, not me. But

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<v Speaker 2>I very much thank him for that call and the

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<v Speaker 2>people I represent him.

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<v Speaker 3>Larry, thank you for your time tonight. And this is

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<v Speaker 3>a story. We'll continue and if we can get the

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<v Speaker 3>Commissioner to come on some night that would be that

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<v Speaker 3>would add to the conversation and we'll keep in touching this,

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<v Speaker 3>that's for sure. Appreciate your direct answers to my questions

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<v Speaker 3>and questions from calls. You do a great job. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Larry called around say hi to everybody in uniform for us,

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<v Speaker 3>So here at.

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<v Speaker 4>Night Side, we'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks. All right, we get back. We're going to change

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<v Speaker 3>topics and we're going to move into a direction that

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<v Speaker 3>we need to talk about, and that is those insane

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<v Speaker 3>demonstrations yesterday against Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin not net Yahoo

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll talk a little bit about how the national

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<v Speaker 3>media covered those demonstrations. We'll be back on Nightside right

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<v Speaker 3>after the ten oclock News,