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Speaker 4: Fay greeting this gentleman. How are you guys doing to day,
Speaker 4: Bobes Matt, It's up, Cliff, yo.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 4: Just got back from Long Beach. I was in the
Speaker 4: It's down there for the entire weekend doing a family
Speaker 4: celebratory stuff. My brother turned sixty years old, so I
Speaker 4: decided to have a birthday party, which he hasn't had
Speaker 4: since he was ten years old. So I went down
Speaker 4: there for.
Speaker 2: That Happy birthday. Rob.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know Rob, yay Rob. Everybody knows Rob from
Speaker 4: the Finding Bigfoot episode, I assume if you watch that
Speaker 4: show at all. So yeah, yeah, I just got back
Speaker 4: from that. Man, I'm beat. That's been so much going on, Bos.
Speaker 4: We need to catch up, but like today, we're doing
Speaker 4: this of course for the next couple of hours. I
Speaker 4: got to go to the shop after that because Darby
Speaker 4: Orcutt is still in town. He is he is still
Speaker 4: in town. Yeah, so I'm gonna go hang out with
Speaker 4: him this afternoon, and then tomorrow, which is his last
Speaker 4: full day, I'm going to take him down the Klacamus
Speaker 4: to the Glenn Thomas site. So because I figured that's
Speaker 4: a good Bigfoot tourism thing, so I.
Speaker 2: WoT shoot up there for that.
Speaker 1: You're mentioned of hanging out with your brother. Gave me
Speaker 1: an idea. So those of our main listeners who are
Speaker 1: also members know that we've done two episodes with our
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I could do that.
Speaker 4: I'm sure robid do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh, they just they're just gonna rip me to shreds.
Speaker 2: They'll showed no mercedale. Those fully just roast me. Is
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Speaker 4: Well, I can't think of anything more embarrassing than what
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Speaker 4: it's a Q and A episode today, so we're just
Speaker 4: going to jump right into that. And I think we'll
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Speaker 4: All right, let's jump onto the first voicemail.
Speaker 2: Then, Hey, Cliff, Bob, Will Matt.
Speaker 3: This is Quinn. I'm eighteen from Louisville, Kentucky, and I
Speaker 3: was calling in because I've been interested in Bigfoot my
Speaker 3: whole life. I saw when I was a little boy,
Speaker 3: but I've only recently been able to start getting out
Speaker 3: into the field and really doing my own research and stuff.
Speaker 3: And I was just wondering what advice you'd have for
Speaker 3: young people getting into the field for the first time,
Speaker 3: and what mistakes you would want people getting into the
Speaker 3: field for the first time to avoid.
Speaker 1: Thank you and keep it squatchy.
Speaker 2: I like this kid.
Speaker 1: It's a great question.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is, Quinn. Thank you very much for that.
Speaker 4: I'll jump in and you guys can fill in the
Speaker 4: blanks and things that I'll make because I'm just, you know,
Speaker 4: doing a shotgun approach right now. I'm sure I'm going
Speaker 4: to leave something out. Number one I'm going to say,
Speaker 4: we say this all the time. Read books. Read books.
Speaker 4: I was just thinking this morning, literally this morning, like you,
Speaker 4: if you were a physicist or something like that, or
Speaker 4: if you're a mathematician or some other scientists like that,
Speaker 4: they would laugh you out of the room if you
Speaker 4: had never heard of Newton. You know Newton or somebody
Speaker 4: who invented calculus. Right, So if you did that for
Speaker 4: a living and you didn't know who Newton was, Isaac
Speaker 4: Newton was, they would laugh you out of the room
Speaker 4: because you wouldn't know the foundations of the thing that
Speaker 4: you profess to love and study. So books are the
Speaker 4: number one thing I can recommend. Read the foundational books
Speaker 4: John Green, doctor Krantz, doctor Meldrum, even though his book
Speaker 4: is much more recent than say, you know John Green's books,
Speaker 4: bend In Nogle Yeah, Ben and Nogle Yeah. Read books
Speaker 4: as a foundation. As far as mistakes, I think one
Speaker 4: of the biggest mistakes is jumping on to social media
Speaker 4: right away. And I see this all the time with
Speaker 4: people who are new to the field. They jump into
Speaker 4: social media, they try to gather a big crowd of
Speaker 4: people and efforts of trying to get more sighting reports
Speaker 4: and all that sort of stuff, and they generally form
Speaker 4: a group and think that they're going to be the
Speaker 4: guys to do it or the guals to do it,
Speaker 4: like we're going to do this and and we're going
Speaker 4: to show you the right way to do it. No no, no, no.
Speaker 4: Sit in the back watch the game for a while,
Speaker 4: you know, sit in the back of the room, watch
Speaker 4: how things are done for a couple of years, and
Speaker 4: then see what you want to do. And you know,
Speaker 4: you can lay the foundations for these these plans, I
Speaker 4: think pretty early on, and you can change them and
Speaker 4: augment them and and just make them better as you
Speaker 4: see the mistakes that are happening out in the field,
Speaker 4: like the social media field. So lay low, be quiet,
Speaker 4: read books, and I think that's enough for me. I'll
Speaker 4: turn the table over to somebody else here, So go
Speaker 4: ahead and fill in what I've missed out on.
Speaker 2: Don't listen to any other podcasts but this one. That's
Speaker 2: the most important. Yeah, the foundational books. That is the
Speaker 2: most important thing. And the second thing is do as
Speaker 2: much as much study as you can on what familiarize
Speaker 2: your sound, yourself with the sounds that you're going to
Speaker 2: experience where you're going hopefully live in eastern Kentucky because
Speaker 2: that place is just gold. If you're anywhere near Tom Shade,
Speaker 2: he's doing anything public looking up with him as much
Speaker 2: as possible. Uh in Triple County. Up there you got
Speaker 2: you got Charlie uh with Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization. That's
Speaker 2: top notch. I mean there Charlie knows where they're at.
Speaker 2: He puts people right on top of him. He's done
Speaker 2: that for us and hundreds of others. And listen to
Speaker 2: YouTube clip. I mean, if you go to YouTube, don't
Speaker 2: listen to some you know, like first off, most of
Speaker 2: those stories where people just read them bigfoot, those are fake.
Speaker 2: They're you know, just autobots and stuff like that, or
Speaker 2: chat GPT like listen to the like go to the
Speaker 2: sound like the animal sounds. And if you if you
Speaker 2: can get out with like experienced woods people, spend some
Speaker 2: time out there with them, you know, like I ask
Speaker 2: some questions, you know, and get like some Tom Brown
Speaker 2: books on tracking, practice your tracking skills and just get
Speaker 2: out there to get out there as much as you can.
Speaker 2: And and if you're only eighteenc if I can't buy
Speaker 2: much equipment. But get get what you can. You know,
Speaker 2: start off with a soundar you know, a recorder, an
Speaker 2: auto recorder, like even like you get cheap ones for
Speaker 2: fifty bucks, sixty bucks, at least you got that. So yeah,
Speaker 2: just get as prepared as you can and get out there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go go frequently. That's another thing I could add.
Speaker 4: Find a spot near you that has a history of
Speaker 4: siding reports and go frequently. Doesn't matter if you get
Speaker 4: stuff most of the time, You're not gonna to be
Speaker 4: very honest with you, but go anyway. And I guess
Speaker 4: that that actually reminds me of my number one piece
Speaker 4: of advice, more than most important thing of all, honestly,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, Go because you enjoy it. That's it,
Speaker 4: you know, do this because you like it, You're interested,
Speaker 4: you're curious, whatever whatever drives you, you know, But but
Speaker 4: do it for some sort of self fulfilling thing where
Speaker 4: you can go bigfooting for two months and have absolutely
Speaker 4: no indication that the animals are nearby, and you'll still
Speaker 4: feel good about it, Like, you'll still feel like you
Speaker 4: got a lot out of it. Best advice ever is
Speaker 4: do bigfoot stuff because you love it. Yeah, and you'll
Speaker 4: never be disappointed.
Speaker 1: I agree with everything both of you guys said. I
Speaker 1: think one of the most important things that you can
Speaker 1: do before you even leave the house, Quinn, is to
Speaker 1: clearly and precisely define your goals and your expectations. If
Speaker 1: you're just trying to learn and have experiences, more power
Speaker 1: to you, because then you get to be the arbiter
Speaker 1: of what determines the quality or the value of those experiences.
Speaker 1: But if you want to try to gather evidence that
Speaker 1: would sway other people, that's a very difficult endeavor because
Speaker 1: now you're at the whim of what other people's values
Speaker 1: are and what they determined to be valuable or qualitative evidence.
Speaker 1: And then if you want to contribute to the subject
Speaker 1: as a whole and try to prove to the world
Speaker 1: that these things exis, it's a very hard road. And
Speaker 1: so it's really helpful to define all of that upfront
Speaker 1: and know that that's going to dictate a lot of
Speaker 1: your next steps. It's like, what is it that you
Speaker 1: hope to achieve, What are your goals and expectations, and
Speaker 1: then conduct yourself according to those rules. So best of
Speaker 1: luck to you, and please keep submitting questions. We're always
Speaker 1: here for that. But yeah, read those foundational books that'll
Speaker 1: help a lot.
Speaker 4: There you go, maybe go go to the next question.
Speaker 5: Howdy from Texas. Harry Kyle here. First, I'd like to say,
Speaker 5: huge fan. I'm still watching all your episodes of Finding
Speaker 5: Bigfoot on Pluto. Keep up the good work, and I
Speaker 5: wish you'd come back with a new show. Anyway, I
Speaker 5: just came back from the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation when
Speaker 5: y'all were up there, visited scenic when you guys showed
Speaker 5: a little barn next to the bar with all the skulls.
Speaker 5: That barn used to belong to my grandfather. Anyhow, I'd
Speaker 5: like to know what is your favorite piece of evidence
Speaker 5: from Finding Bigfoot. Keep up the good work. Thank you
Speaker 5: very much for everything that you've done, and looking forward
Speaker 5: to hearing your answers.
Speaker 4: Thank you from Finding Bigfoot. That's a tough one.
Speaker 2: I guess the second think it was those tracks you
Speaker 2: cast Cliff that Tyler found.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah in Georgia. Yeah, that was those were
Speaker 4: super interesting.
Speaker 1: Well he might have meant like any evidence that you
Speaker 1: encounter you investigated on the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how I interpreted it. Actually have anything that
Speaker 4: like we came across you know, because we didn't collect
Speaker 4: a ton of and we got some good recordings and
Speaker 4: stuff in those footprints, but we didn't collect a ton
Speaker 4: of stuff on Finny Bigfoot, but we were sure exposed
Speaker 4: to a lot of it. I was very impressed with
Speaker 4: the handprint on the inside of the door in Florida. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I thought that was pretty cool. And they didn't really
Speaker 4: show my work on it, but the hand was very large,
Speaker 4: and I think it was a sasquash handprint because you know,
Speaker 4: one of the things that I got to do, because
Speaker 4: they know that I was so gung ho on it,
Speaker 4: is when I was done at the interviews, they had
Speaker 4: turned me loose. I can go take measurements and stuff
Speaker 4: of the various things that we encounter because television is
Speaker 4: shallow and superficial, even our show, so they wouldn't put
Speaker 4: that stuff on the air, but they'd let me go
Speaker 4: do it for, you know, for my own research purposes.
Speaker 4: So that handprint, I remember, I've got a pretty good
Speaker 4: drawing of it with a lot of measurements. I was
Speaker 4: pretty impressed with that one. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 4: I like some of the stuff that we didn't know
Speaker 4: existed that made it to the air. Like the Duhon
Speaker 4: photograph from Louisiana that I always liked that picture.
Speaker 2: Oh the shooting house.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the shooting house right is standing next to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I've got to write up with that on the Cliffberrickman
Speaker 4: dot com if you want to go read about that
Speaker 4: or even that Ian that that the young man Ian
Speaker 4: Gill who shot that picture while the thing crossed the
Speaker 4: road in Vermont. I think it was in our Whitehall
Speaker 4: episode and everybody kind of said, nah, he's just a
Speaker 4: kid man, don't for it, because he was sixteen or
Speaker 4: something when they already thought he was a hoax serb.
Speaker 4: And he said, well, he's got a picture, it's gonna
Speaker 4: be good TV. Let's do an investigation. It turns out that,
Speaker 4: you know, whatever that thing is, whether it's a guy
Speaker 4: in a gilly suit or a sasquatch, it is seven
Speaker 4: feet tall. So that's pretty impressive. I thought those were
Speaker 4: pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was did I. I still thought that kid
Speaker 2: was full of it. I was like, you're wasting your
Speaker 2: time clip. I was wrong about that one because everyone
Speaker 2: said so globle, Like I'm not gooble. I don't believe
Speaker 2: this VS or this kid. Yeah.
Speaker 4: See I didn't know what to think. I mean I didn't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't tell if he was lying or not. And
Speaker 4: I figured, well, at the very least, we're doing a
Speaker 4: TV show and it's a visual thing he has. It
Speaker 4: would be good for screen if nothing else. And if
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a big foot, I'll just tell
Speaker 4: him that. And that's also good TV because I know
Speaker 4: that a lot of a lot of people who watched
Speaker 4: the show or any of the shows love it when
Speaker 4: people kind of shoot things down and say, ah, you're
Speaker 4: you're bs ing or you're lying, or that you're mistaken
Speaker 4: or whatever. They like it when people don't believe it's
Speaker 4: a big foot. So I figured it was a it
Speaker 4: was a win win situation if I did that investigation
Speaker 4: and then it turns out that it might have actually
Speaker 4: been a big foot. You know, I thought that was
Speaker 4: pretty cool. I think it's hard to beat those tracks
Speaker 4: in Georgia. Man, that was that was pretty exciting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when Tyler pulled that those out, that was pretty cool.
Speaker 4: Tyler Buns of course found the tracks, but we had
Speaker 4: to play like I found them because Tyler Bounds wasn't
Speaker 4: on screen and be confusing weird for the audience to
Speaker 4: have somebody that they know nothing about discover the tracks.
Speaker 4: But of course that was also part of the deal
Speaker 4: that we would do that on air as long as
Speaker 4: I could clarify who actually did find the tracks when
Speaker 4: the episode came out. That was part of the deal
Speaker 4: there of us doing that because it didn't feel right
Speaker 4: to us, but we also understood that we're making a
Speaker 4: TV show and that's how it's got to be. So
Speaker 4: I used to release an essay about the episode every
Speaker 4: time one came out, telling the people who cared, you know,
Speaker 4: the Bigfoot community, people who followed me on my blog
Speaker 4: and stuff, what actually happened during the episodes and what
Speaker 4: really went down despite the editing of the television show.
Speaker 4: And I thought some of those things were really interesting
Speaker 4: to read. I mean, because I know there were a
Speaker 4: lot of fun to write, but telling what actually happened
Speaker 4: was cool. And then of course I gave Tyler Brown's
Speaker 4: full credit for them. And in fact, I have copies
Speaker 4: of those hanging up in the museum in the NABC
Speaker 4: and with pictures of Tyler Bowns right there next to
Speaker 4: them with Renee and and stuff.
Speaker 1: And that was totally a happy accident. Because where the
Speaker 1: original tracks were found roughly a month earlier. I think
Speaker 1: it was between two and three weeks earlier. Those were
Speaker 1: found in January of twenty eleven, and we filmed in
Speaker 1: February of twenty eleven. You know, you would park at
Speaker 1: a trailhead and walk up a pretty lengthy trail, and
Speaker 1: then Jeff, the witness, who is the husband of a
Speaker 1: friend of mine that I've known since elementary school, he said, well,
Speaker 1: I know a place where we can park that's a
Speaker 1: lot closer. We just have to bushwhack a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I can take you right to where the tracks
Speaker 1: were and save a lot of time in hiking. And
Speaker 1: so we intersected the trail from a totally different area.
Speaker 1: And then the other happy accident is that Tyler then
Speaker 1: went in the other direction off trail, you know, down
Speaker 1: the trail, and located these tracks that Jeff hadn't even
Speaker 1: seen and didn't know they were there. And so if
Speaker 1: it weren't for those two, if we just parked and
Speaker 1: walked in the way Jeff did when he first found
Speaker 1: the tracks, we never would have found those other ones.
Speaker 1: So a lot of serendipity.
Speaker 4: Yeah, while bushwhacking, we got knocks. We got knocks that
Speaker 4: day while we were going in there. It was very,
Speaker 4: very impressive. It was pretty clear that they were still
Speaker 4: hanging around that area. So stay tuned for more Bigfoot
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Speaker 1: restrictions and important safety information. Do you guys remember the
Speaker 1: barn that he mentioned there on Pine Ridge with the
Speaker 1: skulls on it?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Which leads is my question to you. Did your
Speaker 2: grappa hear any stories? Did you ever? I don't know
Speaker 2: if you if you got to know him well or
Speaker 2: spent much time with them, but did you ever mentually
Speaker 2: think about something Sasquash related that he heard in the bar?
Speaker 4: Sasquatches don't drink in bars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, clif they're breaking us stills and drink
Speaker 2: a sour mash.
Speaker 4: Just a joke. Well, all right, well what do we
Speaker 4: hop onto the next question?
Speaker 6: Well, hello, Cliff Obo and Matt Love the program been
Speaker 6: listening for over a year now. A few years ago,
Speaker 6: as I was really getting into the online presence in
Speaker 6: the world of Bigfoot and Sasquatch research, came across the
Speaker 6: what may just be a story the cow Man of
Speaker 6: Copaliss Beach up there in northwest Washington, I believe, on
Speaker 6: the Pacific Coast. I've never seen any analysis of that
Speaker 6: or any corroboration if it is anything more than just
Speaker 6: a well written story, or do people in that part
Speaker 6: of the world up there in the northwest considered it
Speaker 6: to be a true account. And while it seems like
Speaker 6: a very well written and very detailed account, there are
Speaker 6: aspects to it that make me wonder is it just
Speaker 6: a well crafted story? So I wanted to put that
Speaker 6: out to you guys to see what your thoughts were
Speaker 6: on that topic.
Speaker 4: Again, cow Man of Copela's Beach, Thanks.
Speaker 1: This is Rob in Cleveland, Ohio. I have a vague
Speaker 1: memory of someone on the original Bigfoot forums many years
Speaker 1: ago claiming that it was fictional and that they were
Speaker 1: the author. Now some of that stuff's archived, I think
Speaker 1: still a Bigfoot forums you could be a paying member
Speaker 1: and access the original archives. So I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I might be conflating two memories. I mean, this would
Speaker 1: have been like probably twenty years ago or something like that.
Speaker 1: But in my memory, it was attributed to a known
Speaker 1: person who took credit for it, who said, no, I
Speaker 1: wrote this as a fictional story. It was not meant
Speaker 1: to be presented as a true testimony. Does that sound
Speaker 1: familiar to either of you.
Speaker 2: I love the story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't follow I knew the story, but I
Speaker 4: didn't follow it that closely because I didn't think there
Speaker 4: was any I could do about it.
Speaker 2: I've been I've been to that spot where where it
Speaker 2: was supposed to take place, like several times, and I
Speaker 2: mean I read it. I loved it, and they've made
Speaker 2: a great movie on it, like a docu drama that's
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of that one either.
Speaker 1: I think it's called There's Something in the Woods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great one. I think that's one of
Speaker 2: the best. You know, I always forget to mention that
Speaker 2: when people ask what's some of my favorite big Foot movies.
Speaker 2: That's one of them for sure.
Speaker 1: That one set in tech. I mean it's the same story,
Speaker 1: but I think they said it in Texas instead of
Speaker 1: the Northwest.
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm talking about the one that's Couple of Speech.
Speaker 1: Oh, because there is a movie that's set in Texas
Speaker 1: that Mike Hall, the researcher who's also an actor, was
Speaker 1: in and it's based on that story. But I think
Speaker 1: they said it in East Texas.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, I think the gist of the answer right
Speaker 4: here is we don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah, I could totally be wrong or misremembering about
Speaker 1: a different story, But as I remember it, someone came
Speaker 1: on that forum claiming to be the author of that story,
Speaker 1: saying that it was fiction and that it was never
Speaker 1: meant to be presented as nonfiction.
Speaker 4: Well, certainly one of our listeners is probably a paying
Speaker 4: member of Bigfoot Forums. I mean, maybe they can go
Speaker 4: check it out for us.
Speaker 1: Yeah, go search the BFF one point zero archives.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I wish we could be more assistance there,
Speaker 4: Rob from Cleveland.
Speaker 2: Whoever wrote it, though, if it was fiction, they certainly
Speaker 2: knew about Bigfoot. They were well versed in the subject.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been many years since I've read it. It's
Speaker 1: probably still online somewhere.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 4: People asked me about it once in a while when
Speaker 4: I saw Kalman, I was hoping it'd be about a minotaur.
Speaker 4: All right, we should we go to the next question.
Speaker 2: Yep I bubblo.
Speaker 7: Matt, this is a longtime listener hiding here in the
Speaker 7: concrete jungle of Irvine, California, calling to see if you
Speaker 7: will ever turn on the cameras and kind of move
Speaker 7: from podcasts for a more visual platform for all of
Speaker 7: your listeners. I think it would be a lot of fun,
Speaker 7: especially to just let Bobo have free reign of what's
Speaker 7: going on around in and what he's doing, and it
Speaker 7: could be highly entertaining and you know, continue to be
Speaker 7: highly educational. So thanks for all you guys do. I
Speaker 7: never in a million years that I would be into sasquatch.
Speaker 7: I'm learning so much and so grateful to you. And
Speaker 7: keep it squatchy.
Speaker 4: Thanks for the kind words, Tidy, appreciate that I do like.
Speaker 4: I have considered that suggestion mostly during football season, so
Speaker 4: Matt and I can see if Bobo is watching a
Speaker 4: football game or actually participating in the podcast fall well.
Speaker 4: I have considered that just to keep tabs on Bobo
Speaker 4: and make sure that he's engaged. But other than that,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think we all we've got faces
Speaker 4: for radio.
Speaker 2: Dude, she said educational.
Speaker 1: Heidi's a great member of ours. She's a pigeon, always
Speaker 1: submits great questions and thoughtful comments. You know, one of
Speaker 1: the benefits for all the listeners out there is that
Speaker 1: we can kind of treat this the way that you
Speaker 1: would film television, in that you know, if a guest
Speaker 1: is saying something and then they decide, oh, man, can
Speaker 1: I start over, It's like, yeah, sure, go ahead and
Speaker 1: start over. Or if they mention a location, they're like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'd rather people not know about that?
Speaker 1: Can I say that again? And omit the name of
Speaker 1: the town or the creek or the mountain. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of flexibility that I have as an editor
Speaker 1: that because it's audio only, you can't tell where it's edited,
Speaker 1: Versus if we were on camera, we would either have
Speaker 1: to take away that flexibility from people or you would
Speaker 1: be seeing jump cuts all the time. I mean, some
Speaker 1: of these episodes have you know, depending on the guests
Speaker 1: and whatever technical issues come up. We've had episodes that
Speaker 1: have fifteen hundred to two thousand edits in them, and
Speaker 1: so you would be distracted by all of the jump
Speaker 1: cuts on camera that you would see, because otherwise we'd
Speaker 1: be sitting in chairs, you know, looking at the camera,
Speaker 1: looking at our computers or webcams or whatever, and those
Speaker 1: things would be distracting. For sure. You'd be wondering why
Speaker 1: did that cut, wonder what was there? Versus the audio
Speaker 1: world that doesn't happen. And we do that so that
Speaker 1: there is no pressure, there's no red light fever. People
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about executing everything perfectly like you
Speaker 1: do on radio or a live broadcast or something like that,
Speaker 1: and son on camera thing as possible. It would just
Speaker 1: require us to, you know, lose a lot of the
Speaker 1: freedom that we have to make as many mistakes as
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if I can't make mistakes, I'm probably not
Speaker 4: interested in doing it, because I mostly make mistakes.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the editing isn't just to you know,
Speaker 1: allow for mistakes, but it's also just to curate all
Speaker 1: of the best moments for the listener, you know, because
Speaker 1: sometimes we do get off topic or do something funny
Speaker 1: and then when I'm listening back to it. I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, some like eighty percent of that was funny,
Speaker 1: and so I'll keep that eighty percent. The other twenty
Speaker 1: percent is really not necessary. It's sort of too tangential
Speaker 1: or gets too far off the beaten track, And so
Speaker 1: there's a lot of flexibility you get that just being
Speaker 1: on camera wouldn't give you unless you're hoping that people
Speaker 1: wouldn't be distracted by the amount of edits that they see. Also,
Speaker 1: to think if we were all in person, it would
Speaker 1: be different. You It'd be easy to just turn on
Speaker 1: a camera and let it roll. But when you have
Speaker 1: people online and there's like lags and delays or latency
Speaker 1: where one person is hearing all of us two seconds later,
Speaker 1: then the rest of us are hearing each other, and
Speaker 1: so there's a lot of false starts and stops and interruptions.
Speaker 1: A lot of editing takes care of that. So an
Speaker 1: on camera thing it would just be I don't think
Speaker 1: the finished product would be great unless it was just
Speaker 1: either so full of mistakes and errors, which I do
Speaker 1: see in a whole lot of those live stream things
Speaker 1: due to the technical issues. I think this is just
Speaker 1: a more consumable thing, and with podcasts, Like most of
Speaker 1: our listeners tell me like you make my commute better,
Speaker 1: or I listen to you when I work out or
Speaker 1: mow the grass, or him out walking or jogging or
Speaker 1: picking up the kids from school. And so they're all
Speaker 1: spending their time with us when they're not sitting down
Speaker 1: looking at a screen. So we're occupying people's you know
Speaker 1: what they call found time, all this additional time that
Speaker 1: someone has to listen and learn without saying, Okay, well
Speaker 1: my show was on, I've got to sit down and
Speaker 1: stare at a screen for an hour. So I think
Speaker 1: this format works really well for that reason.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that the consumer, the listeners here are
Speaker 4: getting a way better product in general, for sure, yeah,
Speaker 4: than a screen thing. And I know Matt is so
Speaker 4: intensely focused on giving the listeners the best experience possible.
Speaker 4: And he really I say it all the time. He
Speaker 4: knows how to polish a turd man. A lot of time,
Speaker 4: we just give them turds and he comes out with
Speaker 4: gold bricks.
Speaker 2: He's an alchemist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's an alchemist, absolutely turning crap to gold. If
Speaker 4: you saw the actual raw product that he has to
Speaker 4: deal with, you know, it's not every single week. We
Speaker 4: give them garbage. But every once in a while we're thinking,
Speaker 4: oh gosh, Matt's gonna have a tough time with this one,
Speaker 4: and he does it again and again and again, just
Speaker 4: pumps out amazing product for you guys. I think that
Speaker 4: would be something solely, sorely missing if we went to
Speaker 4: a you know, a visual product as well.
Speaker 1: Very kind of yeah, I think for the most part,
Speaker 1: it's very kind of you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, we do it for
Speaker 1: the benefit of the guest, you know, because some guests
Speaker 1: do want to collect their thoughts, and so there will
Speaker 1: be long pauses between the end of our question and
Speaker 1: the beginning of their answer, and so, you know, I
Speaker 1: remove those long pauses just so listeners don't think, like,
Speaker 1: oh did my app freeze or something like that. Just
Speaker 1: makes the listening experience better.
Speaker 2: I don't listen to an edited podcast. I don't listen
Speaker 2: to live stuff too much. I mean, there's some I
Speaker 2: will like, maybe this is a comedians or something, but yeah,
Speaker 2: stuff is terrible, I think.
Speaker 1: Well, especially when it's over the internet, when it's streamed
Speaker 1: between participants. It's different when everyone's in a room together,
Speaker 1: because it's just a different vibe, and everything's in real
Speaker 1: time and people are wanting to like body language and
Speaker 1: facial expressions versus just when it's streamed, it can be
Speaker 1: a little bit different. The other big thing with Patreon
Speaker 1: now they do have a live feature where you can
Speaker 1: go live on camera, and so I'm trying to see
Speaker 1: how that feature works now, Like if it would be
Speaker 1: possible to go live with the two of you guys,
Speaker 1: maybe we could do that every once in a blue moon,
Speaker 1: you know, and just answer questions from the chat or
Speaker 1: something like that. So even if we did that, it
Speaker 1: would still be the rare occasion because once you do that,
Speaker 1: like I guess, you could download it and edit it
Speaker 1: and then re upload it. But it would just be
Speaker 1: easier to not have to do it that way. So
Speaker 1: I think the audio format it's just better for everyone involved,
Speaker 1: everyone behind the mics and everyone in the listenership.
Speaker 4: I think, well, it's certainly better for us on this
Speaker 4: side of the mic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the camera is that's work. I hate doing the
Speaker 2: count and you gotta sit like right in front of
Speaker 2: the don't. I just don't. It's just I hate it.
Speaker 1: But Heidi, thanks so much for the question. She's a
Speaker 1: great member, like I said, always submits interesting questions and
Speaker 1: thoughtful comments there. So maybe one of these days will
Speaker 1: do some sort of a live stream thing. But we'll
Speaker 1: see cou cou coo.
Speaker 4: Honey, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff
Speaker 4: and Bobo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: And here is the last of the voicemails, and then
Speaker 1: we'll go onto the written questions.
Speaker 8: Hey, Cliff and Bobo, my name is Troy and I
Speaker 8: live in Iowa. Shout out to the Yellow River Forest,
Speaker 8: where I know you guys have had some squatchy experiences.
Speaker 8: I'm coming out to Oregon in mid August and I
Speaker 8: bringing my daughter to see the museum. Cliff, I have
Speaker 8: been to Lord Coleman's museum in Portland, Maine, and now
Speaker 8: I get to come to your museum in Portland, Oregon.
Speaker 2: I'm super stoked about it.
Speaker 8: I'm wondering what are my chances of seeing you.
Speaker 2: There, or Bobo or Matt.
Speaker 4: I think it would be really cool to meet you.
Speaker 2: Guys and serve my own experiences that your brains on yours.
Speaker 2: You guys are so good at what you do.
Speaker 8: I'm a high school custodian and I listen to every
Speaker 8: episode and it really helps me get through my days
Speaker 8: and nights here at work.
Speaker 2: I super appreciate you. Thanks a lot. Heres cool Troy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, coming out in mid August, I'll be around. I've
Speaker 4: got to go to Where am I going. I'm going
Speaker 4: to Ohio to the Hawking Hills Bigfoot Festival the weekend
Speaker 4: of I think it's the ninth or something like that.
Speaker 4: I'd have to check the dates, but I believe it's
Speaker 4: that weekend, and I'll be visiting family as well, so
Speaker 4: I'll be back in town on the thirteenth or fourteenth
Speaker 4: somewhere there, and generally speaking, when I'm out of there.
Speaker 4: When I am in town, I don't cover hours at
Speaker 4: the museum anymore. I do sometimes if somebody's sick, or
Speaker 4: somebody's on vacation or something. I'm happy to do that.
Speaker 4: I love working at my shop, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 4: But I'm not required to be there like you know,
Speaker 4: ten to five like I used to be. I've got
Speaker 4: employees for that now. But despite the fact that I
Speaker 4: don't cover hours, I'm not required to be there at
Speaker 4: certain times. I am there kind of a lot. I
Speaker 4: am there probably on average three to six days a week.
Speaker 4: But it's not like I'm there for eight hours a
Speaker 4: day or something. It's usually I'm there for two hours
Speaker 4: or three hours. Even if I go in I just
Speaker 4: got to drop by and drop something off, I end
Speaker 4: up staying there for like an hour, hour and a
Speaker 4: half oftentimes because there's always stuff to talk about and do,
Speaker 4: and I see, you know, people catch me and they
Speaker 4: want to talk to me for a few minutes, or
Speaker 4: Keith and I are talking about a new display we're
Speaker 4: trying to build, or Niko and I are trying you know,
Speaker 4: there's a million things going on the shop. So when
Speaker 4: I drop by, even for a few minutes, it seems
Speaker 4: that I stay for a couple hours. So depends on
Speaker 4: when you show up, I guess. I will say that
Speaker 4: the time I usually show up is usually between eleven
Speaker 4: and two or something like that, Like today, right now,
Speaker 4: it is eleven twenty on July fifteenth, and after we
Speaker 4: do this podcast, I have to go into the shop.
Speaker 4: I have to go in, and I will be there
Speaker 4: probably for about three hours today. So that that's kind
Speaker 4: of what my schedule's like, erratic and unpredictable. So what
Speaker 4: are the chances I don't know, man, get a percentile dice,
Speaker 4: roll it, see what happens. Just come to the shop.
Speaker 4: You're gonna dig it anyway, whether I'm there or not.
Speaker 4: So and he did ask what about the Bobes.
Speaker 2: I get it in there. I mean I stopped at
Speaker 2: whenever I'm up there. I don't get into much. Couple
Speaker 2: a couple of times a year. Yeah, so probably pretty
Speaker 2: slim with Bobo. And you're not planning it them coming
Speaker 2: up in August, you're gonna be You're gonna be nesting
Speaker 2: in your in your new digs up in Blue Lake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I am taking a trip. Jamie Jay's coming down in
Speaker 2: uh August and we're going out for a week.
Speaker 4: Oh nice, the usual usual place.
Speaker 2: Or no, I don't know where we're gonna go. We're
Speaker 2: still playing it by ear. I was thinking about going
Speaker 2: down and hooking up with money Maker at his ORBS
Speaker 2: spot where they have all those squatch action. But they've
Speaker 2: also been seeing Orbs. I was thinking about that, or
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I love going up to
Speaker 2: the Living Peninsula. I mean, he's up in Washington, so
Speaker 2: I might go up that way. But he wants to
Speaker 2: take a road trip with the Sun coop. They want
Speaker 2: to take a road trip, so they want to come down.
Speaker 2: They want to come down northern California, so playfy. I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: the fires are just kicking off the last couple of days.
Speaker 2: I mean it's been, it's smoky, and it's starting, so
Speaker 2: we'll see how the fire I mean as usual when
Speaker 2: August September right here on the West Coast, I mean
Speaker 2: you're planning or squashing around avoiding fires and thick smoke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the fire season again
Speaker 4: this year. We're in a drought situation right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we do get questions along that those lines pretty often,
Speaker 1: you know, people wanting to visit the NABC and wondering
Speaker 1: what chances are I've seeing you there. So I thought
Speaker 1: it'd be a good voicemail to include and uh, and
Speaker 1: Troy made the point for me, like he said, you know,
Speaker 1: he listens to us to get through the days and
Speaker 1: nights at work there, So you wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: do that if it required you to watch. You know,
Speaker 1: you can just pop in earbuds or headphones or something
Speaker 1: like that and listen on the device while you're working.
Speaker 1: So I think that's again another example of how most
Speaker 1: people consume this stuff. They're not just sitting down and
Speaker 1: solely devoting attention to it. They're listening while accomplishing other things.
Speaker 4: Well, we still have some time. You want to hop
Speaker 4: on a written question, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So here's a familiar name and a Finding Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: Related question for you. Take your Cliff.
Speaker 4: This one is from the lovely and talented Tateronymous, who's
Speaker 4: going to be in the shop next week filming something
Speaker 4: if I remember correctly, Cliff and Bobo, did you guys
Speaker 4: ever get to meet the Finding Bigfoot shows opening narrator Matt?
Speaker 2: Did Mighty Maker met of Ping Pong? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Matt met him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's went through the office and he goes, here's
Speaker 2: here's this voice you like this next week on Finding
Speaker 2: you know, he said they heard that voice, and he
Speaker 2: just goes, oh my god, that guy. They talked for
Speaker 2: like five or ten minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I never got to meet him either, but yeah, Matt.
Speaker 4: Matt was very often he was a narrative voice as
Speaker 4: well on Finding Bigfoot, And that was largely because Matt
Speaker 4: in La or in the LA area at least. He
Speaker 4: lives actually down in Orange County and It's a lot
Speaker 4: easier to have Matt come up, drive a couple hours
Speaker 4: and come up to the studio in you know, which
Speaker 4: is right off Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, than it is
Speaker 4: to fly Bob or or me down, you know. So
Speaker 4: Matt was very often the guy who did all the
Speaker 4: voiceover stuff for that kind of thing, so he was
Speaker 4: in the office a lot more, you know, and he
Speaker 4: You got to meet a lot of people that way,
Speaker 4: and I guess you got to meet him.
Speaker 2: Meet this guy.
Speaker 4: I never had a chance to meet him, but I
Speaker 4: would have liked to. Apparently he's a really nice guy.
Speaker 4: I know, Chad Hamill. I think I believe Chad Hamill
Speaker 4: told me that he was a really cool guy and.
Speaker 2: He kind of knew him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone liked him, but I never had a chance
Speaker 4: to meet him. A good question, though, day interesting question,
Speaker 4: and there's the next written's emission.
Speaker 2: Mike Bell love your show. Have there been less settings
Speaker 2: since phones have become mini computers. I'm curious because as
Speaker 2: a kid I stared out the window, and now my
Speaker 2: kids stare at their phones. I tell them all the
Speaker 2: time that they're missing the world outside. Thanks guys, I
Speaker 2: agree one hundred percent. That's how I feel about it.
Speaker 4: Well, I think that people are not perhaps are not
Speaker 4: going to the woods as much they used to, and
Speaker 4: when they are out there, they're you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know if they have their phones on them or not
Speaker 4: really because there's probably no reception in a lot of
Speaker 4: these places.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: But are there fewer sightings now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because remember like there used to be. I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: when you were a kid, Like we drove cross country
Speaker 2: five times from California to the East Coast and we
Speaker 2: didn't have anything. We had books, but we just stared
Speaker 2: out the window. My parents were pretty permissive that That's
Speaker 2: what was crazy. They'd let us like shoot b beguns
Speaker 2: off the back of the station wagon. That's permissive.
Speaker 4: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Not at cars. I mean, we weren't allowed to
Speaker 2: shoot cars, but you did. No, we'd get in chart.
Speaker 2: We couldn't pot them at people, but we'd shoot the
Speaker 2: road signs. You hear the ping, you know, go Wizen
Speaker 2: buy that's amazing, Yeah, dude. And I wore a head
Speaker 2: Indian like a couple of those sorts. I wore Indian
Speaker 2: like fake headdress, like a chiefs war bonnet looking thing.
Speaker 2: I'd wear that with my little fake for Indian vest
Speaker 2: with a buffalo on the back like emblem. So I'd
Speaker 2: sit at the back of my headdress on with a
Speaker 2: baby gun pointed out the window, shooting at signs. But yeah,
Speaker 2: we just watched. We just watched the whole time. I
Speaker 2: mean I remember when, like you know, cars started getting
Speaker 2: like mini vans and stuff like that started having screens
Speaker 2: in the headrest in front of them. The driver and
Speaker 2: pastors seating like kids in the back would just stare
Speaker 2: at the TVs like they just watched screens the whole time.
Speaker 2: And nowadays they're just on their phone. Because we've heard
Speaker 2: so many stories where people were driving, like you know,
Speaker 2: they're just staring out the window, passengers looking out the window,
Speaker 2: and they saw something as they drove back, Like Cliff,
Speaker 2: you have a setting like that.
Speaker 4: Potentially yeah, maybe I don't know what that was, but
Speaker 4: quite possibly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I mean, it's just it's just a fact
Speaker 2: people are looking at their screens, you know, digitizations distracting
Speaker 2: people from looking for squatches when driving.
Speaker 4: It's distracting people from life.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, life isn't on a screen, man, it's outside. That's
Speaker 4: one of the great things about bigfoot in general. So
Speaker 4: you go out looking for sasquatches, you're probably not on
Speaker 4: the screen very much, probably actually participating in existence, which
Speaker 4: is kind of a rarer and rarer thing. But you
Speaker 4: know the other side of that, there might, there might,
Speaker 4: there may be, and I don't know this. You seem
Speaker 4: pretty strongly opinion that there are fewer sightings, and that
Speaker 4: might be true, But certainly the opposite side of that
Speaker 4: is that whatever sightings are shared more widely. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: it might, it might kind of counterbalance in that sort
Speaker 4: of way.
Speaker 1: And whatever misidentifications or misinterpretations there are are also shared
Speaker 1: more widely.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: But I did think it was a good question and
Speaker 1: a good observation because I was the same way, like
Speaker 1: I would stare out the window as a kid driving
Speaker 1: around the Northwardgia Mountains, you know, riding in the vackseat,
Speaker 1: and saw a lot of wildlife that way. And so
Speaker 1: I think Mike's question is appropriate for sure, or his
Speaker 1: question and observation agreed. Alrighty, So there's the next written question.
Speaker 4: For you, and it comes from Mark Netzer. Does anyone
Speaker 4: have a theory about why some bigfoot stink to high
Speaker 4: heaven and others have no sense. I am thinking about
Speaker 4: el encounter in the camp at Ape Canyon. Apparently neither
Speaker 4: he nor the members of the group smelled anything in
Speaker 4: the camp that night. There are other instances of close
Speaker 4: sightings with no odor discust on the podcast Thank you
Speaker 4: for any information on this subject. There's a couple possible
Speaker 4: explanations for it. I think I am personally an advocate
Speaker 4: of them having a scent gland in their armpits, just
Speaker 4: like gorillas do. This is a known thing in other
Speaker 4: eight species, so I think it's very reasonable to think
Speaker 4: that sasquatches may have the same feature. Don't know, and
Speaker 4: of course gorillas. Diane Fossy would comment that she could
Speaker 4: tell when the silverback was round because she could smell
Speaker 4: it before she could see it oftentimes. And a recent
Speaker 4: study and I say recent because in my mind most
Speaker 4: things are recent because I'm an old man, but I
Speaker 4: think it was probably about five or eight years ago
Speaker 4: at this point. A recent study was published indicating that
Speaker 4: apparently gorillas can control whether they exude their sinky smell
Speaker 4: or not. But apparently the younger silver backs, you know,
Speaker 4: not the dominant male, but the younger ones don't exude
Speaker 4: that stench when they're in the territory of the big
Speaker 4: bad boy, the big silver back that kind of runs everything,
Speaker 4: So apparently they can control whether it or not they
Speaker 4: exuded that scent. In gorillas is exuded when they're in
Speaker 4: a high stress situation or afraid or being aggressive or
Speaker 4: something like that, which makes sense with bigfoots as well.
Speaker 4: It must be pretty stressful for sasquatches to be observed
Speaker 4: or know there's a human in the area. A lot
Speaker 4: of people that see like that, So only ten to
Speaker 4: fifteen percent of citing reports have a smell associated with them.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 4: That's my take on it. That's what I think. And
Speaker 4: there's also a possibility that that you know, they're eating
Speaker 4: of carrion and flesh and just sort of bad hygiene
Speaker 4: in general, and the crack when they take a dump
Speaker 4: like it probably just drips down their leg a lot
Speaker 4: of time because at the location of their butt compared
Speaker 4: to the rest of the anatomy. There's a lot of
Speaker 4: reasons why they might stink, but I kind of favor
Speaker 4: the first one. That they have that sense gland that
Speaker 4: they can or cannot control that exudes the stinky smell
Speaker 4: when they're stressed out, they.
Speaker 2: Can control it. I know a lot of it's involuntary,
Speaker 2: but I think that I think they could control it
Speaker 2: to some degree. I think it's kind of like a
Speaker 2: skunk like they could. But I think that I don't
Speaker 2: think they could do it like just fake. I think
Speaker 2: they really have to. They really would have to fill
Speaker 2: out of motion, you know, like the stress or the
Speaker 2: fear or the anger for it to come out. But
Speaker 2: I think like they I think they can, especially if
Speaker 2: there's intraspecies like male competitive competition for areas, it could
Speaker 2: be a way to you know, like they've been seen
Speaker 2: rubbing on trees and stuff like that, you know, like
Speaker 2: rubbing their backs on trees, and I think it's just
Speaker 2: scratched mostly, but it could be like there's there could
Speaker 2: be sent marking, like they could be squirting a little hormone,
Speaker 2: and there might be a way to avoid intraspecies fighting,
Speaker 2: like you know, like okay, this is this is another
Speaker 2: guy's territory. You can smell that. You can smell the smell,
Speaker 2: Like maybe that's why people if you're doing calls and stuff,
Speaker 2: you smell a smell, like because you're agitating them. But
Speaker 2: you know, when I think about that, I really heard
Speaker 2: that many stories about people smelling them after doing call
Speaker 2: blasts or you know, doing knocks or whistling or calling whatever. Actually,
Speaker 2: I think about it, you never really hear people reporting
Speaker 2: smell too much. After that.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a lot of environmental factors too, like
Speaker 1: you know, heat and humidity, because certainly they perspire because
Speaker 1: they're not panting, so they got a cool probably in
Speaker 1: similar ways that we do, which is you know, perspiration
Speaker 1: and sweat. Depending on whatever else is in the environment,
Speaker 1: like Cliff mentioned, maybe carrying whatever they've eaten. Also, their
Speaker 1: excrement will change in terms of how differous and how
Speaker 1: offensive that odor is. And so I think, you know,
Speaker 1: to pose the question like why do some stink and
Speaker 1: others don't, it's sort of like, well, any one of
Speaker 1: us individuals, sometimes we stink and sometimes we don't, depending
Speaker 1: on you know, the heat, the humidity, how much we're
Speaker 1: exerting ourselves, you know, if we've gotten a chance to
Speaker 1: take a shower that day. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of individual variation just for day to day, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure that would be amplified if we were living in
Speaker 1: the wild. Twenty four to seven.
Speaker 2: You know, I think that's definitely part of it.
Speaker 4: There's still a lot to learn about sasquatches. We don't
Speaker 4: know how they make the smell at all. But I
Speaker 4: bet you when we learn how they make the smell,
Speaker 4: that's really gonna tie everything up for us. And we're
Speaker 4: going to figure out why some do and some don't.
Speaker 4: And only ten to fifteen, ten twelve, fifteen percent of
Speaker 4: sightings have smells. I think the answer will lie in
Speaker 4: there somewhere. But until sasquatches are proven to be real animals,
Speaker 4: we don't know. All this is just speculation. So we'll
Speaker 4: see what happens.
Speaker 2: And the times I've smelled something there's been no wind
Speaker 2: and it's been so concentrated and so thick, it's just
Speaker 2: it's amazing. Like I'm sure that the smells we were smelling,
Speaker 2: how strong they were. If there had been a breeze,
Speaker 2: you could have smelled that a half mile away, no problem,
Speaker 2: you know, like you would have got whiffs because it
Speaker 2: was just just hung in the air, like you could
Speaker 2: walk back and forth. It was crazy, it was it
Speaker 2: was invisible, but it was like it was there. It
Speaker 2: was very pungent, like extremely pungent. But I've always smelt
Speaker 2: about you know a few times, you know, like maybe
Speaker 2: five times, four times and thirty five years.
Speaker 1: Oh, the same here, And it was very strong, concentrated, localized,
Speaker 1: very unique. Nothing else in the wild that I've encountered
Speaker 1: smells like it.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: It was amazing each time.
Speaker 4: It stinks a real bad kind of dog poop, parmesan.
Speaker 1: There is a whole world of smell and odor, especially
Speaker 1: as it pertains to pheromones that you know, I haven't
Speaker 1: done a whole lot of research into. I did hear
Speaker 1: a podcast with the some researchers studying pheromones and humans,
Speaker 1: and there were so many amazing things, like, for example,
Speaker 1: women in general are involuntarily attracted to men with more
Speaker 1: symmetrical faces, and this study showed that women would have
Speaker 1: involuntary responses like skin conductivity and other physiological responses to
Speaker 1: smelling the worn t shirts of men with more symmetrical
Speaker 1: faces than not. Now that's all involuntary, Like none of
Speaker 1: that is good. That's all going on you know, subliminally, subconsciously,
Speaker 1: and so who knows what other things we're responding to
Speaker 1: all the time that our sense that we can't really
Speaker 1: detect you know, you know the difference between like a
Speaker 1: pizza or chili or a hot dog or whatever, like
Speaker 1: those are detectable sense where you know what you're detecting,
Speaker 1: but you know pheromones, you would have no idea you
Speaker 1: know the source or that you're even smelling it. But
Speaker 1: there are these chemical reactions that generate involuntary physiological responses,
Speaker 1: and so who knows how much of that?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder that with a lot of the
Speaker 1: innate fear response that people attribute to infrasound, It's like, well,
Speaker 1: there could be a pheromone component to that.
Speaker 2: We just don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, infrasound is not the only possible candidate to
Speaker 1: generate those sort of involuntary responses in people. And so
Speaker 1: who knows how far that scent thing extends not only
Speaker 1: in US but with sasquatches. Is some means of defense communication,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 4: Agreed, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff
Speaker 4: and Bogo. We'll be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: And so here is the final written submission.
Speaker 2: All right, we got Michael, my song, my song. I'm
Speaker 2: checking in to see if you have a recommendation on
Speaker 2: the best. I'm thinking most of detailed replica footprint cast
Speaker 2: to get I'm enthralled with the subject, and then planning
Speaker 2: on having one frame next to a quality still from
Speaker 2: the PG film. What direction would you point me in?
Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your input. Love the podcast and
Speaker 2: really enjoyed my visits to the NABC Grace Harbor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably the Hereford cast. I guess specifically the hair
Speaker 4: because there were there are eight or nine prints from
Speaker 4: Grace Harbor, but specifically the Harriford cast. When that heat casts,
Speaker 4: we don't sell that one at the NABC. I don't
Speaker 4: have mission to sell it. It's not like I've been
Speaker 4: denied permission, but I just have never asked Dennis about it.
Speaker 4: I do know Dennis. I don't communicate with them very often,
Speaker 4: but I did spend a couple hours with him a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago, two years ago, a great interview.
Speaker 4: I should probably reach out because that's one of the
Speaker 4: things that's on my long and ever growing list of
Speaker 4: things I need to take care of, is reach out
Speaker 4: to Dennis to see if we can sell those at
Speaker 4: the shop, because we do sell other prints at the
Speaker 4: shop that belong to other people, like we have a
Speaker 4: couple from dar Addington, we have some from Tom Shay,
Speaker 4: we have one or two from doctor Meldrum, and we
Speaker 4: just give him a small royalty for each one, even
Speaker 4: though they don't even ask for it. For the most part,
Speaker 4: Freeman Cass the Freeman stuff. Yeah, yeah, we have all
Speaker 4: the Freeman stuff as well. Freeman has The Freeman casts
Speaker 4: are very interesting for a variety of reasons.
Speaker 2: Ninety percent of feel like come in and see my
Speaker 2: cast question ninety plus percent go right to the Hereford casto. Well,
Speaker 2: and they picked that one up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he did say most detailed, and I'm going to
Speaker 4: interpret that as the cleanest one because, so to speak,
Speaker 4: the one that looks great, and it does have really
Speaker 4: interesting details on It doesn't have dramaticglyphics or anything like that,
Speaker 4: but it does have really interesting details like the mushrooming
Speaker 4: of the fat pads at the bottom of the foot.
Speaker 4: There's a pressure crack that goes down the middle of
Speaker 4: the planet of surface of the foot, so there are
Speaker 4: really interesting details on there. But it's just clean and
Speaker 4: clear and stuff. Now, since I don't really sell those,
Speaker 4: but doctor Meldrum does. He has a relationship that allows
Speaker 4: him to sell those prints. So if you do see
Speaker 4: doctor Meldrum at a conference, he very often has that
Speaker 4: print on the table because this is a big seller. Honestly,
Speaker 4: it looks great. So yeah, that's a print that I
Speaker 4: could strongly recommend.
Speaker 2: I guess that's a wrap.
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 2: So any appearances come out, Cliff, you want to.
Speaker 4: Announce Hawking Hills.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 4: The weekend of August ninth? And I think it goes
Speaker 4: on Friday, maybe even Thursday too. I gotta fly out Wednesday.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be a long gig, man, So I
Speaker 4: gotta fly out Wednesday, and I think it goes to
Speaker 4: at least Sunday. But look at the Hawking Hills Bigfood Festival.
Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a webs or something. Check that out
Speaker 4: and I'll tell you what events are happening on what
Speaker 4: day and see which one you want to go to.
Speaker 4: So that's the next thing I'm at, and then from
Speaker 4: there on out, I've got a pretty light schedule, like
Speaker 4: one a month until November, which is nice. I can
Speaker 4: gives me a little bit of breathing room for a change.
Speaker 1: You don't have anything for a while to be you
Speaker 1: pro I'll be speaking to Capitol Library and Bowling Green,
Speaker 1: Kentucky on Saturday, August the second, So I'll put the
Speaker 1: links to the Hawking Hills event and that Bowling Green,
Speaker 1: Kentucky event in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Nice. All right, folks, LA's another episode of Bigfoot and Beyond.
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Speaker 2: keep it squatchy.
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