WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:08.320 Big Food and be on with Cliff and Bubo. 2 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:12.439 These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and 3 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:13.919 raid it live. 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:16.199 Stock and me. 5 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.879 Grates on Yesterday and listening watching Limb always keep its watching. 6 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.480 And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo. 7 00:00:30.199 --> 00:00:33.119 Fay greeting this gentleman. How are you guys doing to day, 8 00:00:33.159 --> 00:00:35.840 Bobes Matt, It's up, Cliff, yo. 9 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:36.119 Yo. 10 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:38.240 Just got back from Long Beach. I was in the 11 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:41.880 It's down there for the entire weekend doing a family 12 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.600 celebratory stuff. My brother turned sixty years old, so I 13 00:00:45.719 --> 00:00:48.759 decided to have a birthday party, which he hasn't had 14 00:00:48.759 --> 00:00:50.200 since he was ten years old. So I went down 15 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:50.560 there for. 16 00:00:50.520 --> 00:00:52.200 That Happy birthday. Rob. 17 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.200 Yeah, I know Rob, yay Rob. Everybody knows Rob from 18 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.280 the Finding Bigfoot episode, I assume if you watch that 19 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.520 show at all. So yeah, yeah, I just got back 20 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:03.280 from that. Man, I'm beat. That's been so much going on, Bos. 21 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:05.400 We need to catch up, but like today, we're doing 22 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:07.280 this of course for the next couple of hours. I 23 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:10.840 got to go to the shop after that because Darby 24 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:13.959 Orcutt is still in town. He is he is still 25 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:15.920 in town. Yeah, so I'm gonna go hang out with 26 00:01:16.000 --> 00:01:19.400 him this afternoon, and then tomorrow, which is his last 27 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:22.359 full day, I'm going to take him down the Klacamus 28 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:26.040 to the Glenn Thomas site. So because I figured that's 29 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:28.719 a good Bigfoot tourism thing, so I. 30 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:29.719 WoT shoot up there for that. 31 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:32.400 You're mentioned of hanging out with your brother. Gave me 32 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:35.159 an idea. So those of our main listeners who are 33 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:37.719 also members know that we've done two episodes with our 34 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.000 significant others where they answer questions. Maybe we should do 35 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:44.319 a significant brother's episode where we get Rob and like 36 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:47.680 two forty on to tell stories about both of your childhoods. 37 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:48.680 Yeah, I could do that. 38 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:50.400 I'm sure robid do that. 39 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:54.120 Yeah. Oh, they just they're just gonna rip me to shreds. 40 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.760 They'll showed no mercedale. Those fully just roast me. Is 41 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:01.400 like like have a handle on here or something. 42 00:02:01.760 --> 00:02:03.719 I think our membership just went up like one hundred 43 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:05.799 percent now that you've said that, because people will want 44 00:02:05.840 --> 00:02:06.799 to hear it. I want to hear it. 45 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:09.080 Well, I can't think of anything more embarrassing than what 46 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.520 I actually am at this very moment, So I don't 47 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:14.199 see what the harm would be well, we have a 48 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:15.879 Q and A today. I guess we can do more 49 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.400 catchup stuff because there's so much stuff going on, everything 50 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:22.639 from beach Foot to lost artifacts, to woods stuff going 51 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:25.599 on and to Darby at Like, there's so much going on. 52 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:27.400 I guess we'll do a big catchup during the member 53 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:29.960 episode because there's some really really neat things have been happening. 54 00:02:30.879 --> 00:02:32.039 So if you're not a member and you want to 55 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:33.560 be a member, it might be worth it. It's five 56 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.080 bucks a month, you get an extra episode every single week, 57 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.400 and you also get this very episode that you're listening 58 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:41.360 to right now, completely ad free. Maybe you want to 59 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:42.599 do that, And if you do want to do that, 60 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:44.639 you can click that link that Matt Preud has surely 61 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:47.000 put in the show notes below and might be worth 62 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:48.800 your time. And also you get other cool things like 63 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:51.919 you get more prude on the members. Yeah, you get 64 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:53.319 more prude and that's not a bad thing and all 65 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.280 everybody could use a little bit more prude in their life. 66 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:59.360 But besides the extra episode, and besides being totally ad free, 67 00:02:59.360 --> 00:03:02.280 and besides all the fruit you can eat, you we 68 00:03:02.360 --> 00:03:05.000 also have a lot of photographs and stuff and videos 69 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:07.400 that we share over on the on that side, on 70 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.840 the special website, on the Patreon, maybe you want to 71 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.759 do it five bucks a month. That's a beer without 72 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.879 a tip. This is the way I see it, and 73 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:17.240 everybody tips, so it's actually cheaper than going out and 74 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.919 getting one beer, and you get four extra episodes a 75 00:03:19.960 --> 00:03:21.840 month or I remember any weeks there are. It's a 76 00:03:21.879 --> 00:03:24.360 good deal. I mean, it's such a good deal that 77 00:03:24.560 --> 00:03:30.159 Bobo is a member of our podcast twice. Yeah, twice twice, right, 78 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:34.719 he was November twice. He's signed up twice. Well, anyway, 79 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:36.520 it's a Q and A episode today, so we're just 80 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.400 going to jump right into that. And I think we'll 81 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.479 start with the voicemails, because if you have a question 82 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:44.159 and you want to ask us, you can email us 83 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:46.759 or Matt bet you're the one who deals with the 84 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:49.120 backside of this, you tell them what they can do 85 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:50.039 if they want to ask. 86 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:51.159 Us a question. Yep. 87 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:52.759 There's a link in the show notes of every one 88 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:54.439 of these Q and A episodes that goes to the 89 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:56.719 contact form at our website, and so you have two 90 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:58.879 options there. You can click to leave us a voicemail 91 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.560 or you can send written submission. And so we always 92 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.960 prioritize the voicemails because it's really fun to hear listeners' 93 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:08.280 voices and answer questions that way, so we usually prefer those. 94 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:11.439 So your odds are better of getting your question answered 95 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:12.639 if you submit a voicemail. 96 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.400 All right, let's jump onto the first voicemail. 97 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.199 Then, Hey, Cliff, Bob, Will Matt. 98 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:21.399 This is Quinn. I'm eighteen from Louisville, Kentucky, and I 99 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:24.360 was calling in because I've been interested in Bigfoot my 100 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.959 whole life. I saw when I was a little boy, 101 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:30.720 but I've only recently been able to start getting out 102 00:04:30.720 --> 00:04:34.240 into the field and really doing my own research and stuff. 103 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.600 And I was just wondering what advice you'd have for 104 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:42.319 young people getting into the field for the first time, 105 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:46.319 and what mistakes you would want people getting into the 106 00:04:46.319 --> 00:04:47.839 field for the first time to avoid. 107 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:50.120 Thank you and keep it squatchy. 108 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:51.560 I like this kid. 109 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:53.079 It's a great question. 110 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:55.319 Yeah, it really is, Quinn. Thank you very much for that. 111 00:04:56.639 --> 00:04:58.839 I'll jump in and you guys can fill in the 112 00:04:58.839 --> 00:05:01.439 blanks and things that I'll make because I'm just, you know, 113 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:03.399 doing a shotgun approach right now. I'm sure I'm going 114 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.199 to leave something out. Number one I'm going to say, 115 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:09.360 we say this all the time. Read books. Read books. 116 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:12.160 I was just thinking this morning, literally this morning, like you, 117 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.399 if you were a physicist or something like that, or 118 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.720 if you're a mathematician or some other scientists like that, 119 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:18.519 they would laugh you out of the room if you 120 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:20.920 had never heard of Newton. You know Newton or somebody 121 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.519 who invented calculus. Right, So if you did that for 122 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:26.759 a living and you didn't know who Newton was, Isaac 123 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:28.519 Newton was, they would laugh you out of the room 124 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:32.279 because you wouldn't know the foundations of the thing that 125 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:36.920 you profess to love and study. So books are the 126 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.519 number one thing I can recommend. Read the foundational books 127 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:44.160 John Green, doctor Krantz, doctor Meldrum, even though his book 128 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:47.240 is much more recent than say, you know John Green's books, 129 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.639 bend In Nogle Yeah, Ben and Nogle Yeah. Read books 130 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:53.959 as a foundation. As far as mistakes, I think one 131 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:56.040 of the biggest mistakes is jumping on to social media 132 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:57.800 right away. And I see this all the time with 133 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.839 people who are new to the field. They jump into 134 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:03.279 social media, they try to gather a big crowd of 135 00:06:03.319 --> 00:06:05.800 people and efforts of trying to get more sighting reports 136 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:09.480 and all that sort of stuff, and they generally form 137 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:11.399 a group and think that they're going to be the 138 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:13.160 guys to do it or the guals to do it, 139 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:14.800 like we're going to do this and and we're going 140 00:06:14.879 --> 00:06:16.720 to show you the right way to do it. No no, no, no. 141 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:19.839 Sit in the back watch the game for a while, 142 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:22.360 you know, sit in the back of the room, watch 143 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:25.000 how things are done for a couple of years, and 144 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:27.480 then see what you want to do. And you know, 145 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:31.000 you can lay the foundations for these these plans, I 146 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:33.800 think pretty early on, and you can change them and 147 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:37.720 augment them and and just make them better as you 148 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:41.240 see the mistakes that are happening out in the field, 149 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:45.399 like the social media field. So lay low, be quiet, 150 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.160 read books, and I think that's enough for me. I'll 151 00:06:49.240 --> 00:06:51.199 turn the table over to somebody else here, So go 152 00:06:51.199 --> 00:06:53.800 ahead and fill in what I've missed out on. 153 00:06:54.319 --> 00:06:59.160 Don't listen to any other podcasts but this one. That's 154 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:01.759 the most important. Yeah, the foundational books. That is the 155 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.120 most important thing. And the second thing is do as 156 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:06.639 much as much study as you can on what familiarize 157 00:07:06.680 --> 00:07:09.199 your sound, yourself with the sounds that you're going to 158 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:11.839 experience where you're going hopefully live in eastern Kentucky because 159 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:16.319 that place is just gold. If you're anywhere near Tom Shade, 160 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:19.079 he's doing anything public looking up with him as much 161 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:24.720 as possible. Uh in Triple County. Up there you got 162 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:29.319 you got Charlie uh with Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization. That's 163 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.399 top notch. I mean there Charlie knows where they're at. 164 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:34.240 He puts people right on top of him. He's done 165 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.480 that for us and hundreds of others. And listen to 166 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:39.560 YouTube clip. I mean, if you go to YouTube, don't 167 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.439 listen to some you know, like first off, most of 168 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:44.959 those stories where people just read them bigfoot, those are fake. 169 00:07:45.199 --> 00:07:48.560 They're you know, just autobots and stuff like that, or 170 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:52.439 chat GPT like listen to the like go to the 171 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:55.959 sound like the animal sounds. And if you if you 172 00:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.000 can get out with like experienced woods people, spend some 173 00:07:59.040 --> 00:08:00.319 time out there with them, you know, like I ask 174 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:04.279 some questions, you know, and get like some Tom Brown 175 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:09.360 books on tracking, practice your tracking skills and just get 176 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:11.240 out there to get out there as much as you can. 177 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.680 And and if you're only eighteenc if I can't buy 178 00:08:14.720 --> 00:08:16.639 much equipment. But get get what you can. You know, 179 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.560 start off with a soundar you know, a recorder, an 180 00:08:19.560 --> 00:08:22.040 auto recorder, like even like you get cheap ones for 181 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:25.759 fifty bucks, sixty bucks, at least you got that. So yeah, 182 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:27.839 just get as prepared as you can and get out there. 183 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.160 Yeah, go go frequently. That's another thing I could add. 184 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:33.240 Find a spot near you that has a history of 185 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:36.799 siding reports and go frequently. Doesn't matter if you get 186 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:38.679 stuff most of the time, You're not gonna to be 187 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.279 very honest with you, but go anyway. And I guess 188 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:44.039 that that actually reminds me of my number one piece 189 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:47.679 of advice, more than most important thing of all, honestly, 190 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:51.080 in my opinion, Go because you enjoy it. That's it, 191 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.759 you know, do this because you like it, You're interested, 192 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:57.159 you're curious, whatever whatever drives you, you know, But but 193 00:08:57.320 --> 00:09:00.399 do it for some sort of self fulfilling thing where 194 00:09:00.519 --> 00:09:03.919 you can go bigfooting for two months and have absolutely 195 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:07.480 no indication that the animals are nearby, and you'll still 196 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:09.759 feel good about it, Like, you'll still feel like you 197 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.120 got a lot out of it. Best advice ever is 198 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:15.879 do bigfoot stuff because you love it. Yeah, and you'll 199 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:16.759 never be disappointed. 200 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:19.679 I agree with everything both of you guys said. I 201 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:22.360 think one of the most important things that you can 202 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:24.639 do before you even leave the house, Quinn, is to 203 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:30.320 clearly and precisely define your goals and your expectations. If 204 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:34.159 you're just trying to learn and have experiences, more power 205 00:09:34.200 --> 00:09:36.200 to you, because then you get to be the arbiter 206 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:40.960 of what determines the quality or the value of those experiences. 207 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:44.000 But if you want to try to gather evidence that 208 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:47.759 would sway other people, that's a very difficult endeavor because 209 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.879 now you're at the whim of what other people's values 210 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:55.200 are and what they determined to be valuable or qualitative evidence. 211 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:57.360 And then if you want to contribute to the subject 212 00:09:57.399 --> 00:09:59.039 as a whole and try to prove to the world 213 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.000 that these things exis, it's a very hard road. And 214 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.240 so it's really helpful to define all of that upfront 215 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:08.320 and know that that's going to dictate a lot of 216 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:10.480 your next steps. It's like, what is it that you 217 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:12.879 hope to achieve, What are your goals and expectations, and 218 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:16.480 then conduct yourself according to those rules. So best of 219 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.000 luck to you, and please keep submitting questions. We're always 220 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:22.080 here for that. But yeah, read those foundational books that'll 221 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:23.000 help a lot. 222 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:25.320 There you go, maybe go go to the next question. 223 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:30.039 Howdy from Texas. Harry Kyle here. First, I'd like to say, 224 00:10:30.600 --> 00:10:33.559 huge fan. I'm still watching all your episodes of Finding 225 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.919 Bigfoot on Pluto. Keep up the good work, and I 226 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:39.879 wish you'd come back with a new show. Anyway, I 227 00:10:39.960 --> 00:10:42.960 just came back from the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation when 228 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:46.159 y'all were up there, visited scenic when you guys showed 229 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:49.679 a little barn next to the bar with all the skulls. 230 00:10:50.200 --> 00:10:54.039 That barn used to belong to my grandfather. Anyhow, I'd 231 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:56.600 like to know what is your favorite piece of evidence 232 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:01.919 from Finding Bigfoot. Keep up the good work. Thank you 233 00:11:02.039 --> 00:11:05.679 very much for everything that you've done, and looking forward 234 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:06.879 to hearing your answers. 235 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:10.519 Thank you from Finding Bigfoot. That's a tough one. 236 00:11:10.759 --> 00:11:13.600 I guess the second think it was those tracks you 237 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:15.639 cast Cliff that Tyler found. 238 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:18.440 Oh yeah, yeah in Georgia. Yeah, that was those were 239 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:19.159 super interesting. 240 00:11:19.519 --> 00:11:21.440 Well he might have meant like any evidence that you 241 00:11:21.559 --> 00:11:23.519 encounter you investigated on the show. 242 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.080 Yeah, that's how I interpreted it. Actually have anything that 243 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.559 like we came across you know, because we didn't collect 244 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.080 a ton of and we got some good recordings and 245 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.159 stuff in those footprints, but we didn't collect a ton 246 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:35.320 of stuff on Finny Bigfoot, but we were sure exposed 247 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:37.519 to a lot of it. I was very impressed with 248 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.639 the handprint on the inside of the door in Florida. Yeah, 249 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:43.639 I thought that was pretty cool. And they didn't really 250 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:46.960 show my work on it, but the hand was very large, 251 00:11:47.000 --> 00:11:50.200 and I think it was a sasquash handprint because you know, 252 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:51.639 one of the things that I got to do, because 253 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:53.399 they know that I was so gung ho on it, 254 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:54.879 is when I was done at the interviews, they had 255 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.480 turned me loose. I can go take measurements and stuff 256 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.559 of the various things that we encounter because television is 257 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.639 shallow and superficial, even our show, so they wouldn't put 258 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.279 that stuff on the air, but they'd let me go 259 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.320 do it for, you know, for my own research purposes. 260 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:13.559 So that handprint, I remember, I've got a pretty good 261 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:15.080 drawing of it with a lot of measurements. I was 262 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.000 pretty impressed with that one. I thought that was cool. 263 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:19.200 I like some of the stuff that we didn't know 264 00:12:19.240 --> 00:12:21.399 existed that made it to the air. Like the Duhon 265 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.120 photograph from Louisiana that I always liked that picture. 266 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:25.679 Oh the shooting house. 267 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:27.840 Yeah, the shooting house right is standing next to that. 268 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:28.559 Yeah. 269 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:30.320 I've got to write up with that on the Cliffberrickman 270 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:31.799 dot com if you want to go read about that 271 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.559 or even that Ian that that the young man Ian 272 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:37.399 Gill who shot that picture while the thing crossed the 273 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:40.279 road in Vermont. I think it was in our Whitehall 274 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:42.200 episode and everybody kind of said, nah, he's just a 275 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:44.000 kid man, don't for it, because he was sixteen or 276 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:45.919 something when they already thought he was a hoax serb. 277 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:47.360 And he said, well, he's got a picture, it's gonna 278 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:50.080 be good TV. Let's do an investigation. It turns out that, 279 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:51.840 you know, whatever that thing is, whether it's a guy 280 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:53.679 in a gilly suit or a sasquatch, it is seven 281 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:57.440 feet tall. So that's pretty impressive. I thought those were 282 00:12:57.480 --> 00:12:58.000 pretty cool. 283 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:01.240 Yeah, that was did I. I still thought that kid 284 00:13:01.399 --> 00:13:03.080 was full of it. I was like, you're wasting your 285 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.200 time clip. I was wrong about that one because everyone 286 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.679 said so globle, Like I'm not gooble. I don't believe 287 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:10.600 this VS or this kid. Yeah. 288 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:12.120 See I didn't know what to think. I mean I didn't. 289 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.519 I couldn't tell if he was lying or not. And 290 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:16.919 I figured, well, at the very least, we're doing a 291 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.600 TV show and it's a visual thing he has. It 292 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.879 would be good for screen if nothing else. And if 293 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:23.200 I don't think it's a big foot, I'll just tell 294 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:25.639 him that. And that's also good TV because I know 295 00:13:25.679 --> 00:13:27.600 that a lot of a lot of people who watched 296 00:13:27.600 --> 00:13:29.120 the show or any of the shows love it when 297 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.679 people kind of shoot things down and say, ah, you're 298 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:33.639 you're bs ing or you're lying, or that you're mistaken 299 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:35.559 or whatever. They like it when people don't believe it's 300 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.279 a big foot. So I figured it was a it 301 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.600 was a win win situation if I did that investigation 302 00:13:40.159 --> 00:13:42.159 and then it turns out that it might have actually 303 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:43.399 been a big foot. You know, I thought that was 304 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:45.799 pretty cool. I think it's hard to beat those tracks 305 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.039 in Georgia. Man, that was that was pretty exciting. 306 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:48.960 Yeah. 307 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:52.080 Yeah, when Tyler pulled that those out, that was pretty cool. 308 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.000 Tyler Buns of course found the tracks, but we had 309 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:58.399 to play like I found them because Tyler Bounds wasn't 310 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.120 on screen and be confusing weird for the audience to 311 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.279 have somebody that they know nothing about discover the tracks. 312 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:06.159 But of course that was also part of the deal 313 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:09.559 that we would do that on air as long as 314 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.759 I could clarify who actually did find the tracks when 315 00:14:12.759 --> 00:14:14.720 the episode came out. That was part of the deal 316 00:14:14.759 --> 00:14:17.879 there of us doing that because it didn't feel right 317 00:14:17.919 --> 00:14:19.879 to us, but we also understood that we're making a 318 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:21.879 TV show and that's how it's got to be. So 319 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.879 I used to release an essay about the episode every 320 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:31.360 time one came out, telling the people who cared, you know, 321 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:34.240 the Bigfoot community, people who followed me on my blog 322 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:37.480 and stuff, what actually happened during the episodes and what 323 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:41.240 really went down despite the editing of the television show. 324 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:43.600 And I thought some of those things were really interesting 325 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:44.759 to read. I mean, because I know there were a 326 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:47.360 lot of fun to write, but telling what actually happened 327 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:49.600 was cool. And then of course I gave Tyler Brown's 328 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:52.840 full credit for them. And in fact, I have copies 329 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.679 of those hanging up in the museum in the NABC 330 00:14:56.200 --> 00:14:59.279 and with pictures of Tyler Bowns right there next to 331 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:00.559 them with Renee and and stuff. 332 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:04.799 And that was totally a happy accident. Because where the 333 00:15:04.879 --> 00:15:07.759 original tracks were found roughly a month earlier. I think 334 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:10.480 it was between two and three weeks earlier. Those were 335 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:12.720 found in January of twenty eleven, and we filmed in 336 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.720 February of twenty eleven. You know, you would park at 337 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:18.120 a trailhead and walk up a pretty lengthy trail, and 338 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:22.039 then Jeff, the witness, who is the husband of a 339 00:15:22.159 --> 00:15:24.960 friend of mine that I've known since elementary school, he said, well, 340 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:26.559 I know a place where we can park that's a 341 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:28.600 lot closer. We just have to bushwhack a little bit, 342 00:15:28.639 --> 00:15:30.200 but I can take you right to where the tracks 343 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:32.559 were and save a lot of time in hiking. And 344 00:15:32.639 --> 00:15:36.879 so we intersected the trail from a totally different area. 345 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.399 And then the other happy accident is that Tyler then 346 00:15:40.440 --> 00:15:43.240 went in the other direction off trail, you know, down 347 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.840 the trail, and located these tracks that Jeff hadn't even 348 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:47.960 seen and didn't know they were there. And so if 349 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:49.840 it weren't for those two, if we just parked and 350 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:51.600 walked in the way Jeff did when he first found 351 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:53.960 the tracks, we never would have found those other ones. 352 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.440 So a lot of serendipity. 353 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.519 Yeah, while bushwhacking, we got knocks. We got knocks that 354 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:04.039 day while we were going in there. It was very, 355 00:16:04.120 --> 00:16:07.559 very impressive. It was pretty clear that they were still 356 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:12.120 hanging around that area. So stay tuned for more Bigfoot 357 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.799 and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. Will be right back 358 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:23.320 after these messages. You know, Bobes, squatching season is in 359 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:25.159 full swing and I can't help but notice you're wearing 360 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:28.639 that gone squatch and hats. But are you wearing that 361 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:32.159 hat to support your favorite hobby or to hide your 362 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:35.799 thinning hair bom. 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I don't know 390 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.079 if you if you got to know him well or 391 00:18:12.279 --> 00:18:13.759 spent much time with them, but did you ever mentually 392 00:18:13.799 --> 00:18:16.599 think about something Sasquash related that he heard in the bar? 393 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:19.160 Sasquatches don't drink in bars. 394 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.640 Yeah, you're right, clif they're breaking us stills and drink 395 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:26.000 a sour mash. 396 00:18:26.559 --> 00:18:28.799 Just a joke. Well, all right, well what do we 397 00:18:28.799 --> 00:18:29.799 hop onto the next question? 398 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:34.039 Well, hello, Cliff Obo and Matt Love the program been 399 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:37.720 listening for over a year now. A few years ago, 400 00:18:37.799 --> 00:18:40.400 as I was really getting into the online presence in 401 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.319