WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:04.839 It's been almost four years now and we're coming up 2 00:00:04.879 --> 00:00:10.119 on another presidential election. The election in twenty twenty was 3 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:13.519 greatly disputed, and it's not the first time that a 4 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.640 presidential election has been greatly disputed in this country. And 5 00:00:17.160 --> 00:00:20.559 I mean, for gosh, it's been eight years since twenty 6 00:00:20.600 --> 00:00:24.399 sixteen and Hillary Clinton is still claiming she won. But 7 00:00:25.000 --> 00:00:30.000 that being said, there have been people in jail for 8 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:33.880 almost four years because of their involvement with something called 9 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:38.560 January sixth. Our next guest is the wife of one 10 00:00:38.600 --> 00:00:43.359 of those political prisoners, and also the co founder and 11 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:46.159 executive director of a group called Stand in the Gap, 12 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.479 an organization committed to providing vital support to January sixth 13 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:53.759 defendants and their families. And there's more evidence than ever 14 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:59.679 before the January sixth and the criminalization of exhibiting your 15 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:03.840 First Amendment right to freedom of speech and to redress 16 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:08.439 grievances with your government, that the aftermath and the reaction 17 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:12.079 was all a setup, the deep state, the media getting 18 00:01:12.159 --> 00:01:14.480 away with the crime of the century. That's the question, 19 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:20.000 are they The Department of Justice Justice Inspector General does 20 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:24.439 not deny that FBI informants were among that crowd. January sixth, 21 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.200 and it's been denied loudly by those who say that 22 00:01:30.319 --> 00:01:35.480 January sixth was nothing but a chance to take over 23 00:01:35.560 --> 00:01:39.840 the country in some kind of treasonous action, illegal action, 24 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:46.760 and that this was a violent crowd. Overall, the transcripts 25 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:51.079 have shown us that President Trump used or urged use 26 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:54.560 of ten to twenty thousand troops to protect the capital, 27 00:01:55.159 --> 00:01:58.280 but was rebuffed by both Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, 28 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.319 and also of the Washington d C. 29 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:02.480 Metro Police. 30 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.000 Let's talk to Sarah mccabee for a few moments as 31 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:07.920 we continue. And I didn't want to eat up all 32 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:11.759 the time with that introduction, Sarah, but it has been 33 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:16.400 a long, hard slog, obviously for you and for everyone 34 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:21.439 else who was detained or falsely imprisoned over being at 35 00:02:21.439 --> 00:02:24.520 the Capitol on January sixth, twenty twenty one. So kind 36 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:28.280 of give me an idea of your specific personal story. 37 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:32.000 Absolutely well, thank you so much for having me on 38 00:02:32.080 --> 00:02:35.360 and giving us a voice, because even for almost four 39 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.599 years later, January sixth is too political, even on the 40 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:41.639 conservative side. As we gear up for what, in my opinion, 41 00:02:41.680 --> 00:02:45.639 the biggest election in American history. My husband, Ronald Colton 42 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.360 mcabee was an off duty law enforcement officer of seven years, 43 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:52.199 and he went to January sixth to air his grievances 44 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.240 with his government, not knowing what was going to unfold, 45 00:02:55.319 --> 00:02:59.240 and unfortunately, you know, he never set foot inside the Capitol. 46 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:03.520 But what he witness that day was police officers being assaulted. 47 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:06.560 He stepped in to help two officers, ended up being 48 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:09.240 assaulted himself by a police officer, and he tried to 49 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:12.000 save the life of Rosean Boulin. So for seven minutes 50 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:14.960 of his life for jumping into action, in my opinion, 51 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.919 being a hero that day, they threw the book at him. 52 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.759 He's been detained since August of twenty twenty one. He 53 00:03:20.800 --> 00:03:23.039 went to trial, was found guilty on all of his 54 00:03:23.199 --> 00:03:26.479 charges and sentenced to seventy months in federal prison where 55 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:29.159 he currently resides. What and a lot of people don't, 56 00:03:29.520 --> 00:03:30.319 oh go ahead. 57 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:33.120 Oh no, I'm sorry. What were the charges against him? 58 00:03:33.599 --> 00:03:36.360 Every time he went to pick up officer Andrew Waite, 59 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:38.960 who was a Metropolitan Police officer, they charged him with 60 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:42.039 assault even though he was lying on the ground communicating 61 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:44.199 with the officers, letting them know that he was one 62 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.719 of them and he was helping them and the officers 63 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:48.280 acknowledged that he was helping them. 64 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.400 So how do you charge him with assault when he's 65 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:53.639 there to actually render aid? 66 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:56.560 You know, that's a really good question. I had a 67 00:03:56.599 --> 00:04:01.120 district attorney here in DC, or excuse me here in 68 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:05.240 the Middle Tennessee of Nashville area, Middle District of Tennessee 69 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:07.879 that said one, a grand jury would have never indicted 70 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.360 him on the charges because the same video evidence that 71 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:13.919 they used against him exonerated him. And even if they did, 72 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:16.839 he either would have been acquitted or exonerated on all 73 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:19.360 of the charges if it wasn't in Washington, d C. 74 00:04:19.879 --> 00:04:21.639 And that is why there has been no change of 75 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:25.600 venues for the almost fifteen hundred January sixth defendants. Because 76 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.959 it's a ninety nine point six conviction rate in Washington, 77 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:29.199 d C. 78 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.600 It sounds like a court back in the old Soviet 79 00:04:32.680 --> 00:04:38.240 Union in the Washington DC prison system has been cast 80 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.160 by others as a goolog. 81 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:46.399 Yes, it absolutely is so a kangaroo court without the 82 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:52.240 kangaroos and just a lot of bad justice being deld 83 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:54.720 out on a political basis. 84 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:58.319 Your husband is a political prisoner. We are not supposed 85 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:01.680 to have political prisoners in this country. We're above that. 86 00:05:01.839 --> 00:05:04.839 Our constitution says we're above that, and it's all been 87 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:08.199 ignored to this point, not just in your husband's case, 88 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:12.319 but in case after case after case of those incarcerated 89 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.600 in the wake of January sixth. What are we doing 90 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:17.160 about it? 91 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:18.800 Sarah? What are you doing about it? 92 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:23.160 You know, I would have thought I still had faith 93 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.759 in this justice system before my husband was charged, and 94 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:29.439 you know, it was really trial by fire, realizing that 95 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:31.959 we are not following our constitution or any of our 96 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.759 founding documents, that Congress is turning a blind eye to 97 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:39.000 what's currently going on to their own constituents, and so 98 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.079 you would have thought there was organizations out there like 99 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:45.680 the ACLU and the Innocent Project and all of these 100 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:49.040 groups that were made for this very thing, but they 101 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:51.800 didn't want to touch it because it was January sixth 102 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:55.279 and too political. So I ended up co founding a 103 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:59.519 nonprofit foundation to help these individuals and their families. Because 104 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:01.519 what a lot of people don't understand. As we gear 105 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:04.000 up for these election, they're like, well, President Trump's going 106 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:06.240 to get in and he's going to pardon them. And 107 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:08.879 while we absolutely have hope and faith that that is 108 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:11.720 going to happen. It doesn't change that the majority of 109 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:14.279 these people have lost everything over the last four years, 110 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.519 including some of their immediate family members, and so they're 111 00:06:17.560 --> 00:06:21.360 coming out with nothing, no homes, no cars, no careers. 112 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.319 And so that's where we as the American people, need 113 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:26.959 to step up and we created a project called the 114 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:30.399 Road Home Project that is going to build tiny homes 115 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:33.319 for these families to be able to be reunited again 116 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.279 when they walk out of those prison walls, and to 117 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:39.519 start the healing process where we have businesses and business 118 00:06:39.519 --> 00:06:42.600 owners that are going to hire these individuals regardless of 119 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:47.240 their charges, because right now that is where the process 120 00:06:47.319 --> 00:06:50.920 is the punishment where regardless if they come out unscathed 121 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.720 in January of twenty twenty five, you can't go back 122 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:57.079 and change the last four years what's happened to them. 123 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.439 Oh No, there should be multiple. 124 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:08.360 Multi million, maybe billion dollar lawsuits filed against the federal government, 125 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:12.240 the Department of Justice and Washington d C and their authorities, 126 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:16.360 mauryel Bowser and Capitol Police and all the rest. There 127 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:20.600 was only one protester who was killed on January sixth. 128 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:22.439 There was only one person who was There was not 129 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:26.600 a Capital cop that was murdered. There weren't six, as 130 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:30.639 some of the sickophants of the Democrats say, that were 131 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:33.720 murdered by this violent mob on January sixth. 132 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:38.160 There was only Ashley Babbitt, who was an unarmed who 133 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:39.160 was an armed. 134 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.800 Air Force veteran who was actually in the Capitol and 135 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.600 she was trying to get people out of the capital 136 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:48.560 when she was shot by a Capitol police officer who 137 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.519 was hailed as a hero. Your husband did not even 138 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:55.680 go inside the Capitol and yet sentenced to seventy months 139 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:58.480 in prison for assault on an officer that he was 140 00:07:58.560 --> 00:07:59.639 trying to help. 141 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.360 Yes, and I believe that they threw the book at him, 142 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:05.680 because I will have to correct you and tell you 143 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:08.680 that there were four American citizens that died on January sixth, 144 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.639 two at the hands of the Capitol police, Rosean Boulin 145 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:14.160 and Ashley Babbitt. You're absolutely correct that they were not 146 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.519 killed by this mob that they call it. And then 147 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:22.120 two individuals that had passed away in the crowd because. 148 00:08:21.839 --> 00:08:22.680 Of health issues. 149 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:25.600 But that was only after the Capitol Police started firing 150 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:28.519 into a peaceful crowd. And that is the problem is 151 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.560 that four years later, we still don't have an investigation 152 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.320 into January sixth, and I will say that, as of 153 00:08:34.399 --> 00:08:36.639 right now, unless President Trump gets in and writes new 154 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:41.080 legislation or signs new legislation, the federal government, the Department 155 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:44.559 of Justice, the Capitol Police, the Metropolitan Police, mayor Bowser, 156 00:08:45.000 --> 00:08:48.679 everybody in Congress operates with impunity, meaning that if they 157 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:53.120 get out, they say, you could never successfully sue them 158 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:56.000 because they operate with impunity. And that's a problem. There 159 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:59.480 is no accountability for these three letter agencies, for the 160 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:03.200 prosecute or the judges that is orchestrating the circus. 161 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.519 Well, the best thing would be to just dismantle some 162 00:09:06.639 --> 00:09:07.240 of these. 163 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:14.440 Agencies because none of them are constitutionally founded. There's nothing 164 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:16.919 in the constitution that says you have to have, for example, 165 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.480 a Department of Education or a Department of Energy. They 166 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:24.480 are just extensions of an already obese government that, as 167 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:29.559 you mentioned, operates with impunity and does whatever they want 168 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.679 to do, regardless of what the law says. 169 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:34.559 Sarah, Yes, No. 170 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:38.200 I absolutely agree with that. It all goes back to 171 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:41.000 we are operating this way because we allow it to happen. 172 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.279 We're continuing to fund these persecutions and the omnious bill 173 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:47.720 that was passed July of twenty three. There was another 174 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:50.320 three hundred and fifty million dollars given to the Department 175 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.159 of Justice just for January six cases. And so we 176 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:58.200 as American citizens are funding this because our representatives aren't 177 00:09:58.240 --> 00:10:00.840 representing us in the fact that we have no say 178 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:02.679 in what happens with our tax dollars. 179 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:10.399 What happened to of buy and for the people, Sarah. 180 00:10:08.120 --> 00:10:09.879 That's a good question. I would also like to know 181 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:13.159 what happened to our constitution and literally says in Washington, 182 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:17.080 d C. On their license plate, no taxation without representation. 183 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:20.759 And that's where we currently are. We have a deep 184 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.919 state that is running this country, evil powers that are 185 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.840 running this country, and we are going to lose it 186 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.919 if we the people don't start doing the right thing. 187 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:31.279 We got to step up. 188 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.480 We can't be complacent, We can't be lazy or think 189 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:36.720 that we can't make a difference anymore. 190 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.879 How is your husband Ron doing? 191 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:43.519 Thank you so much for asking. You know, it's one 192 00:10:43.559 --> 00:10:47.159 day at a time. And when I say that, it's 193 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:48.960 you just never know what's going to come your way. 194 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:51.279 You know, for you to be sitting in prison as 195 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:54.519 an innocent man at the hands of your federal government. 196 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:57.759 Knowing you did the right thing, but watching your life 197 00:10:57.759 --> 00:11:00.360 get destroyed on the outside is a very hard thing 198 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.919 to deal with. But I truly believe that his faith, 199 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:06.600 in our faith walk the Lord, is going to get 200 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:08.679 him through this. We don't know what the end looks 201 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:11.120 like right now. Our story is still being written. But 202 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:12.679 that's one thing that we are not going to do 203 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:14.279 where you're not going to go down without a fight, 204 00:11:14.759 --> 00:11:17.399 because we know in our hearts what is right and 205 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:19.960 what is currently happening is wrong, not only to him, 206 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.480 but to January sixth defendants across this once great nation. 207 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.240 How can people find out about more? Find out more 208 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:29.679 about your organization, Sarah. 209 00:11:29.440 --> 00:11:33.159 Mccabee if you go to Sarah mccabee dot us on 210 00:11:33.279 --> 00:11:35.679 there it tells more of our story, all the video 211 00:11:35.720 --> 00:11:38.759 evidence that we talked about today on this call, as 212 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.960 well as the foundation where you can go and support us. 213 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:44.639 All Right, it's stand in the Gap. 214 00:11:45.759 --> 00:11:49.679 Sarah mccabee, the executive director, founder and the wife of 215 00:11:49.720 --> 00:11:52.600 a January sixth prisoner on the nightcap, thank you for 216 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.840 your time and praying for you and hope your husband 217 00:11:56.919 --> 00:11:58.360 gets out of prison soon. 218 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:01.559 Thank you so much. Let's God, bless God, bless you. 219 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:06.759 On the other side, something completely different. We're talking baseball 220 00:12:06.840 --> 00:12:18.000 in the World Series on seven hundred WLW. As we 221 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:21.960 come to you at what has been a weird, weird 222 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:26.519 day with Iran attacking Israel, We're going to turn our 223 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:30.639 attention to America's pastime, the Fall Classic and a brand 224 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:34.240 new book that is just out called Shadows of Glory, 225 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:38.279 Memorable and offbeat World Series Stories, authored by Dave Brown 226 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:41.600 and Jeff Rodeimer, who was our guest this evening on 227 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:43.840 the night Cap And Jeff, welcome to the show. 228 00:12:43.879 --> 00:12:44.360 How are you. 229 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:47.480 I'm doing great, Garry, thanks for having me on. 230 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:50.080 It's great to be with you. 231 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.080 And we scheduled this a couple of weeks ago in 232 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:56.799 anticipation of the book coming out, and you were doing 233 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:02.120 the media hits this week and who knew that the 234 00:13:02.240 --> 00:13:05.559 day after Pete Rose had died we would be talking 235 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.799 about the World Series. And as you mentioned, Pete Rose 236 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:12.360 was made for the World Series. 237 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:17.879 Yeah, I mean in our lifetime and they were about 238 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:20.879 the same age. I mean, who else but Pete really 239 00:13:21.519 --> 00:13:23.559 was made for the big stage. Other maybe this guy 240 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:25.679 like Reggie Jackson. But I mean, when you're talking about 241 00:13:25.720 --> 00:13:29.399 a big game player. You know, he played on three 242 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:34.039 different World champions, you know, Pete. It just didn't didn't 243 00:13:34.039 --> 00:13:36.159 seem that he would ever be gone. You know, he 244 00:13:36.240 --> 00:13:40.519 still saw him in interviewing, signing autographs. There's that new 245 00:13:40.519 --> 00:13:42.639 special that they have out on HBO about him that 246 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:45.639 I think it's a three or four part documentary. So 247 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:47.600 it's just hard to believe he's gone. 248 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:50.159 No, Jeff, three days ago, Pete was out at an 249 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:54.519 autograph signing. I know people who were there, and yeah, 250 00:13:54.559 --> 00:13:59.799 what was also not disclosed to the public. And my assumption, 251 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:02.759 and I don't know. I'm not a medical professional and 252 00:14:02.799 --> 00:14:06.720 I wasn't there with Pete, but my perception from what 253 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:08.799 I've been hearing for the last year is that Pete 254 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.960 was in not good health at all. He's eighty three 255 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:16.799 years old and at this card signing, supposedly he was 256 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:22.840 in a wheelchair just two three days ago. So well, 257 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:27.519 it's shocking. It's not to be unexpected. A lot of people, 258 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:32.000 as I've mentioned before, die of eighty three. They have 259 00:14:32.200 --> 00:14:34.639 determined the cause of death yet in Las Vegas. But 260 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:39.840 let's get onto this book. Yeah, yeah, no doubt, Let's 261 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.519 get onto you and this book and your involvement in 262 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:46.919 this book Jeff Rodeimer Shadows of Glory. You became a 263 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.440 baseball fan, attended your first major league game in nineteen 264 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.559 sixty six. I was about a year behind you when 265 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:59.159 my third grade class took a field trip out to 266 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:01.960 Wrigley Field. We lived in suburban Chicago at the time, 267 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.559 and I just was My eyes were just wide open, 268 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.480 my mouth dropped the first time I walked in to 269 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:11.759 that incredible venue and saw the ivy on the walls. 270 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:14.159 It had an atmosphere of its own, really it did. 271 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:15.519 What was your first. 272 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:20.279 Game, Well, it was the Yankees of the mid sixties, 273 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:23.840 right after they started going downhill, after Mantle and Whitey 274 00:15:23.879 --> 00:15:26.879 Ford were starting to lose their grip, and they were 275 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:29.360 playing the Washington Centers. It seemed like every game that 276 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:32.039 my father took me to was against the Washington Senators. 277 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:35.519 But like you, I just I remember just walking into 278 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:40.120 that huge stadium, that incredibly green field, and I mean, 279 00:15:40.159 --> 00:15:42.279 I was already a baseball fan, but I was hooked 280 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.960 after that, There's no doubt about it. And you know, 281 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:48.159 you fast forward another ten or twelve years and I 282 00:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.360 meet Dave Brown at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania, and turns 283 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:55.759 out we've got this, you know, shared crazy love of baseball, 284 00:15:55.840 --> 00:16:00.960 baseball trivia, statistics, baseball history. Then you fast forward to 285 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.840 two thousand and David started a writing career of his 286 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:06.200 own in his first book as a baseball trivia book, 287 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.279 and you stayed in touch all this time, and it 288 00:16:09.399 --> 00:16:12.279 led up to us collaborating on this book, starting really 289 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:13.799 in about twenty nineteen. 290 00:16:14.159 --> 00:16:17.039 I'm looking at the back of the book because I 291 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:19.919 don't want to give away the great stories you guys 292 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:24.159 have compiled for this, But this quote from Mickey Rivers, 293 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:26.200 who was a center fielder for the seventy seven and 294 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:29.399 seventy eight World champion Yankees and the nineteen seventy six 295 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:32.919 World Series team. He said, I once played a game 296 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:35.120 for the Texas Rangers while I was still on the 297 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:37.240 roster of the New York Yankees, so I know all 298 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:41.000 about the crazy and unusual baseball stories. Shadows of Glory 299 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:43.600 is full of these kinds of stories from the World Series, 300 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:46.039 like the time the owner of the A's tried to 301 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:48.879 throw one of his own players off the team in 302 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:51.759 the middle of that seventy three series. Do you have 303 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.720 any because I haven't delved deeply into the book yet, 304 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:59.159 Jeff Rohdeimer, But have you guys have stories about the 305 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:01.559 Reds in the World's series, the Big Red Machine, and 306 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:05.440 you know, especially the nineteen ninety World Series where the 307 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.319 Reds went wire to wire and then swept the Oakland 308 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:11.880 A's Do you have some memories of that in shades 309 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:12.400 of glory? 310 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.200 Well shadows glory in fact? 311 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:18.279 Yeah, And you know, the theme of the book is 312 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:23.119 kind of lesser known, underreported, maybe odd or curious things 313 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:25.720 that people might have even forgotten in some cases. But 314 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.079 the nineteen ninety one is a good one because you know, 315 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.480 we think of the World Series as this incredibly polished, 316 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.599 you know, Madison Avenue PR event. That's what it's become, right. 317 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:40.440 You know, every major network has a cast of analysts 318 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:46.200 and ex players, you TBS, MLB, Network, Fox, ESPN, they've 319 00:17:46.200 --> 00:17:49.160 all got coverage of these games, right, So it's hard 320 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:52.119 to believe that some of these things could have actually 321 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:54.920 happened in a World Series, and again maybe at a 322 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:59.240 time when it was lesser a pr event, but in 323 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.960 nineteen ninety he you know, you got Tom Browning, who 324 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.880 was a really good pitcher for the for the Reds, 325 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:09.559 disappearing from a game because his wife is about to 326 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.559 give birth, and he leaves the stadium in uniform, thinking 327 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:14.359 he's not going to pitch because he pitched the day 328 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:17.559 before and that he's not going to be needed. But 329 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:21.000 while he's on his way to the hospital and apparently 330 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:26.079 nobody really knew where he was going, Loop Panella starts 331 00:18:26.079 --> 00:18:27.839 getting worried that this game is going to go into 332 00:18:27.880 --> 00:18:30.039 extra innings and he might need some of these guys 333 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:32.640 to step forward, and he calls down to the bullpen 334 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:36.480 and he sells the bullpen coach get browning warm and 335 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.160 they have to call him back and say, we don't 336 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:42.440 know where he is. And sure enough, he's gone to 337 00:18:42.519 --> 00:18:45.759 the hospital in full uniform for his wife's delivery. But 338 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.519 this is you know, free cell phones for the most part, 339 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:50.240 and there's no way to get in touch with him 340 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.160 to tell him come around to get back. So they 341 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.119 put the word out first of all on the local 342 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.680 broadcast of the game. I think through the Cincinnati announcers 343 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.359 that hey, you know, Tom of listening to this broadcast, 344 00:19:01.960 --> 00:19:04.799 please go back to the ballpark. Lukenel is looking for you. 345 00:19:05.720 --> 00:19:10.519 And the nationwide broadcast and I think it was Tim McCarver, 346 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:13.720 who was doing the game, who will probably NBC at 347 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:18.200 the time, gets wind of what's going on, and then 348 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.839 they broadcast that same plea over the air of the 349 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:26.160 entire national audience that's watching the game, and eventually it 350 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:29.559 gets it gets through to the hospital where where Brownie is, 351 00:19:29.599 --> 00:19:31.680 but he's not going back at that point. He's he's 352 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:33.920 where he is and he's not coming back to the stadium. 353 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:36.359 So but you just don't think of something like that 354 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:41.799 happening in today's superstructured, organized, you know, world series climate. 355 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.480 So yeah, that was that was probably the big red 356 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:47.799 story of the book. Again, you know, a lot of 357 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:50.039 people in Cincinnati probably remember that, but the rest of 358 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:53.880 the country probably has forgotten about it. Were Again, for us, 359 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:55.799 the idea was that, you know, if we could write 360 00:19:55.839 --> 00:19:58.799 a story that a reader, maybe somebody a little bit 361 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:01.440 newer to baseball, looks out and say, I can't believe 362 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:03.440 that could happen in a World Series, then we know 363 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:04.400 that we found something. 364 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:07.359 Well, and you guys go way back, I mean, you 365 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.319 go back to the actual beginnings of the World Series. 366 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:12.759 I was just flipping through the book right now as 367 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:15.279 we're talking. The book, by the way of Shadows of Glory, 368 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.319 Memorable and Off the World World Series Stories, authored by 369 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.599 Dave Brown and our guest Jeff Rodeimer, and I just 370 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:27.319 turned to chapter five, Owners remorse. The only time in 371 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:32.519 Major League Baseball history, maybe in the entire history of 372 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.640 American sports, a team owner declined to accept a World 373 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:41.279 Series championship. This was in nineteen twenty five, so obviously 374 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:46.240 I don't remember, but it goes back to your what 375 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:48.880 you just said about for the young baseball fan who 376 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.880 has no idea about the history of the Fall Classic, 377 00:20:52.079 --> 00:20:55.559 the way you guys dived into it, tell me a 378 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:58.359 little bit about this particular World Series. 379 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.759 Yeah, and that was one that Dave had picked out 380 00:21:02.799 --> 00:21:05.720 early that I knew literally nothing about. And I knew 381 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:08.519 the story of the Washington Senators of the mid twenties 382 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.079 and Walter Johnson's last few years, and in twenty four, 383 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:16.720 the Senators had won an unlikely championship, and Johnson, late 384 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:19.240 in his career was kind of the bell Cow. I mean, 385 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:22.160 he helped bring that pen at home. But in twenty five, 386 00:21:22.200 --> 00:21:24.359 they're playing the Pirates and they get to a Game seven, 387 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:27.640 it's all tied up, and Johnson's still with the Senators. 388 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.839 But it is a terrible forecasts for the game. They 389 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.200 decide they're going to play the game anyway. It's in Washington, 390 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:36.880 and they start the game in torrential conditions and it 391 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:40.680 only gets worse. And at the end of the fifth inning, 392 00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:43.799 the Commissioner of Baseball KNNI saw Mountain land Is, who 393 00:21:43.880 --> 00:21:47.599 was in the stands, waves the Washington owner over and says, 394 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:51.240 I'm declayer in this game. Over, you have won the championship, 395 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:55.880 And to his credit, the owner of the Senators said, nope, listen, 396 00:21:56.319 --> 00:21:58.359 we started the game in the rain. We knew what 397 00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:00.640 we were doing. We're finishing this game in the range. 398 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:03.119 There's no way that the World Series is going to 399 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:06.079 be decided on a five inning game. And they completed 400 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:09.079 the game. Walter Johnson made another appearance, in this time 401 00:22:09.119 --> 00:22:13.160