Speaker 1: It's been almost four years now and we're coming up
Speaker 1: on another presidential election. The election in twenty twenty was
Speaker 1: greatly disputed, and it's not the first time that a
Speaker 1: presidential election has been greatly disputed in this country. And
Speaker 1: I mean, for gosh, it's been eight years since twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen and Hillary Clinton is still claiming she won. But
Speaker 1: that being said, there have been people in jail for
Speaker 1: almost four years because of their involvement with something called
Speaker 1: January sixth. Our next guest is the wife of one
Speaker 1: of those political prisoners, and also the co founder and
Speaker 1: executive director of a group called Stand in the Gap,
Speaker 1: an organization committed to providing vital support to January sixth
Speaker 1: defendants and their families. And there's more evidence than ever
Speaker 1: before the January sixth and the criminalization of exhibiting your
Speaker 1: First Amendment right to freedom of speech and to redress
Speaker 1: grievances with your government, that the aftermath and the reaction
Speaker 1: was all a setup, the deep state, the media getting
Speaker 1: away with the crime of the century. That's the question,
Speaker 1: are they The Department of Justice Justice Inspector General does
Speaker 1: not deny that FBI informants were among that crowd. January sixth,
Speaker 1: and it's been denied loudly by those who say that
Speaker 1: January sixth was nothing but a chance to take over
Speaker 1: the country in some kind of treasonous action, illegal action,
Speaker 1: and that this was a violent crowd. Overall, the transcripts
Speaker 1: have shown us that President Trump used or urged use
Speaker 1: of ten to twenty thousand troops to protect the capital,
Speaker 1: but was rebuffed by both Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer,
Speaker 1: and also of the Washington d C.
Speaker 2: Metro Police.
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Sarah mccabee for a few moments as
Speaker 1: we continue. And I didn't want to eat up all
Speaker 1: the time with that introduction, Sarah, but it has been
Speaker 1: a long, hard slog, obviously for you and for everyone
Speaker 1: else who was detained or falsely imprisoned over being at
Speaker 1: the Capitol on January sixth, twenty twenty one. So kind
Speaker 1: of give me an idea of your specific personal story.
Speaker 3: Absolutely well, thank you so much for having me on
Speaker 3: and giving us a voice, because even for almost four
Speaker 3: years later, January sixth is too political, even on the
Speaker 3: conservative side. As we gear up for what, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: the biggest election in American history. My husband, Ronald Colton
Speaker 3: mcabee was an off duty law enforcement officer of seven years,
Speaker 3: and he went to January sixth to air his grievances
Speaker 3: with his government, not knowing what was going to unfold,
Speaker 3: and unfortunately, you know, he never set foot inside the Capitol.
Speaker 3: But what he witness that day was police officers being assaulted.
Speaker 3: He stepped in to help two officers, ended up being
Speaker 3: assaulted himself by a police officer, and he tried to
Speaker 3: save the life of Rosean Boulin. So for seven minutes
Speaker 3: of his life for jumping into action, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: being a hero that day, they threw the book at him.
Speaker 3: He's been detained since August of twenty twenty one. He
Speaker 3: went to trial, was found guilty on all of his
Speaker 3: charges and sentenced to seventy months in federal prison where
Speaker 3: he currently resides. What and a lot of people don't,
Speaker 3: oh go ahead.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry. What were the charges against him?
Speaker 3: Every time he went to pick up officer Andrew Waite,
Speaker 3: who was a Metropolitan Police officer, they charged him with
Speaker 3: assault even though he was lying on the ground communicating
Speaker 3: with the officers, letting them know that he was one
Speaker 3: of them and he was helping them and the officers
Speaker 3: acknowledged that he was helping them.
Speaker 1: So how do you charge him with assault when he's
Speaker 1: there to actually render aid?
Speaker 3: You know, that's a really good question. I had a
Speaker 3: district attorney here in DC, or excuse me here in
Speaker 3: the Middle Tennessee of Nashville area, Middle District of Tennessee
Speaker 3: that said one, a grand jury would have never indicted
Speaker 3: him on the charges because the same video evidence that
Speaker 3: they used against him exonerated him. And even if they did,
Speaker 3: he either would have been acquitted or exonerated on all
Speaker 3: of the charges if it wasn't in Washington, d C.
Speaker 3: And that is why there has been no change of
Speaker 3: venues for the almost fifteen hundred January sixth defendants. Because
Speaker 3: it's a ninety nine point six conviction rate in Washington,
Speaker 3: d C.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a court back in the old Soviet
Speaker 1: Union in the Washington DC prison system has been cast
Speaker 1: by others as a goolog.
Speaker 4: Yes, it absolutely is so a kangaroo court without the
Speaker 4: kangaroos and just a lot of bad justice being deld
Speaker 4: out on a political basis.
Speaker 1: Your husband is a political prisoner. We are not supposed
Speaker 1: to have political prisoners in this country. We're above that.
Speaker 1: Our constitution says we're above that, and it's all been
Speaker 1: ignored to this point, not just in your husband's case,
Speaker 1: but in case after case after case of those incarcerated
Speaker 1: in the wake of January sixth. What are we doing
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 2: Sarah? What are you doing about it?
Speaker 3: You know, I would have thought I still had faith
Speaker 3: in this justice system before my husband was charged, and
Speaker 3: you know, it was really trial by fire, realizing that
Speaker 3: we are not following our constitution or any of our
Speaker 3: founding documents, that Congress is turning a blind eye to
Speaker 3: what's currently going on to their own constituents, and so
Speaker 3: you would have thought there was organizations out there like
Speaker 3: the ACLU and the Innocent Project and all of these
Speaker 3: groups that were made for this very thing, but they
Speaker 3: didn't want to touch it because it was January sixth
Speaker 3: and too political. So I ended up co founding a
Speaker 3: nonprofit foundation to help these individuals and their families. Because
Speaker 3: what a lot of people don't understand. As we gear
Speaker 3: up for these election, they're like, well, President Trump's going
Speaker 3: to get in and he's going to pardon them. And
Speaker 3: while we absolutely have hope and faith that that is
Speaker 3: going to happen. It doesn't change that the majority of
Speaker 3: these people have lost everything over the last four years,
Speaker 3: including some of their immediate family members, and so they're
Speaker 3: coming out with nothing, no homes, no cars, no careers.
Speaker 3: And so that's where we as the American people, need
Speaker 3: to step up and we created a project called the
Speaker 3: Road Home Project that is going to build tiny homes
Speaker 3: for these families to be able to be reunited again
Speaker 3: when they walk out of those prison walls, and to
Speaker 3: start the healing process where we have businesses and business
Speaker 3: owners that are going to hire these individuals regardless of
Speaker 3: their charges, because right now that is where the process
Speaker 3: is the punishment where regardless if they come out unscathed
Speaker 3: in January of twenty twenty five, you can't go back
Speaker 3: and change the last four years what's happened to them.
Speaker 2: Oh No, there should be multiple.
Speaker 1: Multi million, maybe billion dollar lawsuits filed against the federal government,
Speaker 1: the Department of Justice and Washington d C and their authorities,
Speaker 1: mauryel Bowser and Capitol Police and all the rest. There
Speaker 1: was only one protester who was killed on January sixth.
Speaker 1: There was only one person who was There was not
Speaker 1: a Capital cop that was murdered. There weren't six, as
Speaker 1: some of the sickophants of the Democrats say, that were
Speaker 1: murdered by this violent mob on January sixth.
Speaker 2: There was only Ashley Babbitt, who was an unarmed who
Speaker 2: was an armed.
Speaker 1: Air Force veteran who was actually in the Capitol and
Speaker 1: she was trying to get people out of the capital
Speaker 1: when she was shot by a Capitol police officer who
Speaker 1: was hailed as a hero. Your husband did not even
Speaker 1: go inside the Capitol and yet sentenced to seventy months
Speaker 1: in prison for assault on an officer that he was
Speaker 1: trying to help.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I believe that they threw the book at him,
Speaker 3: because I will have to correct you and tell you
Speaker 3: that there were four American citizens that died on January sixth,
Speaker 3: two at the hands of the Capitol police, Rosean Boulin
Speaker 3: and Ashley Babbitt. You're absolutely correct that they were not
Speaker 3: killed by this mob that they call it. And then
Speaker 3: two individuals that had passed away in the crowd because.
Speaker 1: Of health issues.
Speaker 3: But that was only after the Capitol Police started firing
Speaker 3: into a peaceful crowd. And that is the problem is
Speaker 3: that four years later, we still don't have an investigation
Speaker 3: into January sixth, and I will say that, as of
Speaker 3: right now, unless President Trump gets in and writes new
Speaker 3: legislation or signs new legislation, the federal government, the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice, the Capitol Police, the Metropolitan Police, mayor Bowser,
Speaker 3: everybody in Congress operates with impunity, meaning that if they
Speaker 3: get out, they say, you could never successfully sue them
Speaker 3: because they operate with impunity. And that's a problem. There
Speaker 3: is no accountability for these three letter agencies, for the
Speaker 3: prosecute or the judges that is orchestrating the circus.
Speaker 2: Well, the best thing would be to just dismantle some
Speaker 2: of these.
Speaker 1: Agencies because none of them are constitutionally founded. There's nothing
Speaker 1: in the constitution that says you have to have, for example,
Speaker 1: a Department of Education or a Department of Energy. They
Speaker 1: are just extensions of an already obese government that, as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, operates with impunity and does whatever they want
Speaker 1: to do, regardless of what the law says.
Speaker 5: Sarah, Yes, No.
Speaker 3: I absolutely agree with that. It all goes back to
Speaker 3: we are operating this way because we allow it to happen.
Speaker 3: We're continuing to fund these persecutions and the omnious bill
Speaker 3: that was passed July of twenty three. There was another
Speaker 3: three hundred and fifty million dollars given to the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice just for January six cases. And so we
Speaker 3: as American citizens are funding this because our representatives aren't
Speaker 3: representing us in the fact that we have no say
Speaker 3: in what happens with our tax dollars.
Speaker 1: What happened to of buy and for the people, Sarah.
Speaker 3: That's a good question. I would also like to know
Speaker 3: what happened to our constitution and literally says in Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. On their license plate, no taxation without representation.
Speaker 3: And that's where we currently are. We have a deep
Speaker 3: state that is running this country, evil powers that are
Speaker 3: running this country, and we are going to lose it
Speaker 3: if we the people don't start doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: We got to step up.
Speaker 1: We can't be complacent, We can't be lazy or think
Speaker 1: that we can't make a difference anymore.
Speaker 2: How is your husband Ron doing?
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for asking. You know, it's one
Speaker 3: day at a time. And when I say that, it's
Speaker 3: you just never know what's going to come your way.
Speaker 3: You know, for you to be sitting in prison as
Speaker 3: an innocent man at the hands of your federal government.
Speaker 3: Knowing you did the right thing, but watching your life
Speaker 3: get destroyed on the outside is a very hard thing
Speaker 3: to deal with. But I truly believe that his faith,
Speaker 3: in our faith walk the Lord, is going to get
Speaker 3: him through this. We don't know what the end looks
Speaker 3: like right now. Our story is still being written. But
Speaker 3: that's one thing that we are not going to do
Speaker 3: where you're not going to go down without a fight,
Speaker 3: because we know in our hearts what is right and
Speaker 3: what is currently happening is wrong, not only to him,
Speaker 3: but to January sixth defendants across this once great nation.
Speaker 1: How can people find out about more? Find out more
Speaker 1: about your organization, Sarah.
Speaker 3: Mccabee if you go to Sarah mccabee dot us on
Speaker 3: there it tells more of our story, all the video
Speaker 3: evidence that we talked about today on this call, as
Speaker 3: well as the foundation where you can go and support us.
Speaker 2: All Right, it's stand in the Gap.
Speaker 1: Sarah mccabee, the executive director, founder and the wife of
Speaker 1: a January sixth prisoner on the nightcap, thank you for
Speaker 1: your time and praying for you and hope your husband
Speaker 1: gets out of prison soon.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Let's God, bless God, bless you.
Speaker 1: On the other side, something completely different. We're talking baseball
Speaker 1: in the World Series on seven hundred WLW. As we
Speaker 1: come to you at what has been a weird, weird
Speaker 1: day with Iran attacking Israel, We're going to turn our
Speaker 1: attention to America's pastime, the Fall Classic and a brand
Speaker 1: new book that is just out called Shadows of Glory,
Speaker 1: Memorable and offbeat World Series Stories, authored by Dave Brown
Speaker 1: and Jeff Rodeimer, who was our guest this evening on
Speaker 1: the night Cap And Jeff, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing great, Garry, thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: It's great to be with you.
Speaker 1: And we scheduled this a couple of weeks ago in
Speaker 1: anticipation of the book coming out, and you were doing
Speaker 1: the media hits this week and who knew that the
Speaker 1: day after Pete Rose had died we would be talking
Speaker 1: about the World Series. And as you mentioned, Pete Rose
Speaker 1: was made for the World Series.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean in our lifetime and they were about
Speaker 5: the same age. I mean, who else but Pete really
Speaker 5: was made for the big stage. Other maybe this guy
Speaker 5: like Reggie Jackson. But I mean, when you're talking about
Speaker 5: a big game player. You know, he played on three
Speaker 5: different World champions, you know, Pete. It just didn't didn't
Speaker 5: seem that he would ever be gone. You know, he
Speaker 5: still saw him in interviewing, signing autographs. There's that new
Speaker 5: special that they have out on HBO about him that
Speaker 5: I think it's a three or four part documentary. So
Speaker 5: it's just hard to believe he's gone.
Speaker 1: No, Jeff, three days ago, Pete was out at an
Speaker 1: autograph signing. I know people who were there, and yeah,
Speaker 1: what was also not disclosed to the public. And my assumption,
Speaker 1: and I don't know. I'm not a medical professional and
Speaker 1: I wasn't there with Pete, but my perception from what
Speaker 1: I've been hearing for the last year is that Pete
Speaker 1: was in not good health at all. He's eighty three
Speaker 1: years old and at this card signing, supposedly he was
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair just two three days ago. So well,
Speaker 1: it's shocking. It's not to be unexpected. A lot of people,
Speaker 1: as I've mentioned before, die of eighty three. They have
Speaker 1: determined the cause of death yet in Las Vegas. But
Speaker 1: let's get onto this book. Yeah, yeah, no doubt, Let's
Speaker 1: get onto you and this book and your involvement in
Speaker 1: this book Jeff Rodeimer Shadows of Glory. You became a
Speaker 1: baseball fan, attended your first major league game in nineteen
Speaker 1: sixty six. I was about a year behind you when
Speaker 1: my third grade class took a field trip out to
Speaker 1: Wrigley Field. We lived in suburban Chicago at the time,
Speaker 1: and I just was My eyes were just wide open,
Speaker 1: my mouth dropped the first time I walked in to
Speaker 1: that incredible venue and saw the ivy on the walls.
Speaker 1: It had an atmosphere of its own, really it did.
Speaker 1: What was your first.
Speaker 5: Game, Well, it was the Yankees of the mid sixties,
Speaker 5: right after they started going downhill, after Mantle and Whitey
Speaker 5: Ford were starting to lose their grip, and they were
Speaker 5: playing the Washington Centers. It seemed like every game that
Speaker 5: my father took me to was against the Washington Senators.
Speaker 5: But like you, I just I remember just walking into
Speaker 5: that huge stadium, that incredibly green field, and I mean,
Speaker 5: I was already a baseball fan, but I was hooked
Speaker 5: after that, There's no doubt about it. And you know,
Speaker 5: you fast forward another ten or twelve years and I
Speaker 5: meet Dave Brown at Gettysburg College in Pennsylvania, and turns
Speaker 5: out we've got this, you know, shared crazy love of baseball,
Speaker 5: baseball trivia, statistics, baseball history. Then you fast forward to
Speaker 5: two thousand and David started a writing career of his
Speaker 5: own in his first book as a baseball trivia book,
Speaker 5: and you stayed in touch all this time, and it
Speaker 5: led up to us collaborating on this book, starting really
Speaker 5: in about twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the back of the book because I
Speaker 1: don't want to give away the great stories you guys
Speaker 1: have compiled for this, But this quote from Mickey Rivers,
Speaker 1: who was a center fielder for the seventy seven and
Speaker 1: seventy eight World champion Yankees and the nineteen seventy six
Speaker 1: World Series team. He said, I once played a game
Speaker 1: for the Texas Rangers while I was still on the
Speaker 1: roster of the New York Yankees, so I know all
Speaker 1: about the crazy and unusual baseball stories. Shadows of Glory
Speaker 1: is full of these kinds of stories from the World Series,
Speaker 1: like the time the owner of the A's tried to
Speaker 1: throw one of his own players off the team in
Speaker 1: the middle of that seventy three series. Do you have
Speaker 1: any because I haven't delved deeply into the book yet,
Speaker 1: Jeff Rohdeimer, But have you guys have stories about the
Speaker 1: Reds in the World's series, the Big Red Machine, and
Speaker 1: you know, especially the nineteen ninety World Series where the
Speaker 1: Reds went wire to wire and then swept the Oakland
Speaker 1: A's Do you have some memories of that in shades
Speaker 1: of glory?
Speaker 2: Well shadows glory in fact?
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you know, the theme of the book is
Speaker 5: kind of lesser known, underreported, maybe odd or curious things
Speaker 5: that people might have even forgotten in some cases. But
Speaker 5: the nineteen ninety one is a good one because you know,
Speaker 5: we think of the World Series as this incredibly polished,
Speaker 5: you know, Madison Avenue PR event. That's what it's become, right.
Speaker 5: You know, every major network has a cast of analysts
Speaker 5: and ex players, you TBS, MLB, Network, Fox, ESPN, they've
Speaker 5: all got coverage of these games, right, So it's hard
Speaker 5: to believe that some of these things could have actually
Speaker 5: happened in a World Series, and again maybe at a
Speaker 5: time when it was lesser a pr event, but in
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety he you know, you got Tom Browning, who
Speaker 5: was a really good pitcher for the for the Reds,
Speaker 5: disappearing from a game because his wife is about to
Speaker 5: give birth, and he leaves the stadium in uniform, thinking
Speaker 5: he's not going to pitch because he pitched the day
Speaker 5: before and that he's not going to be needed. But
Speaker 5: while he's on his way to the hospital and apparently
Speaker 5: nobody really knew where he was going, Loop Panella starts
Speaker 5: getting worried that this game is going to go into
Speaker 5: extra innings and he might need some of these guys
Speaker 5: to step forward, and he calls down to the bullpen
Speaker 5: and he sells the bullpen coach get browning warm and
Speaker 5: they have to call him back and say, we don't
Speaker 5: know where he is. And sure enough, he's gone to
Speaker 5: the hospital in full uniform for his wife's delivery. But
Speaker 5: this is you know, free cell phones for the most part,
Speaker 5: and there's no way to get in touch with him
Speaker 5: to tell him come around to get back. So they
Speaker 5: put the word out first of all on the local
Speaker 5: broadcast of the game. I think through the Cincinnati announcers
Speaker 5: that hey, you know, Tom of listening to this broadcast,
Speaker 5: please go back to the ballpark. Lukenel is looking for you.
Speaker 5: And the nationwide broadcast and I think it was Tim McCarver,
Speaker 5: who was doing the game, who will probably NBC at
Speaker 5: the time, gets wind of what's going on, and then
Speaker 5: they broadcast that same plea over the air of the
Speaker 5: entire national audience that's watching the game, and eventually it
Speaker 5: gets it gets through to the hospital where where Brownie is,
Speaker 5: but he's not going back at that point. He's he's
Speaker 5: where he is and he's not coming back to the stadium.
Speaker 5: So but you just don't think of something like that
Speaker 5: happening in today's superstructured, organized, you know, world series climate.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that was that was probably the big red
Speaker 5: story of the book. Again, you know, a lot of
Speaker 5: people in Cincinnati probably remember that, but the rest of
Speaker 5: the country probably has forgotten about it. Were Again, for us,
Speaker 5: the idea was that, you know, if we could write
Speaker 5: a story that a reader, maybe somebody a little bit
Speaker 5: newer to baseball, looks out and say, I can't believe
Speaker 5: that could happen in a World Series, then we know
Speaker 5: that we found something.
Speaker 1: Well, and you guys go way back, I mean, you
Speaker 1: go back to the actual beginnings of the World Series.
Speaker 1: I was just flipping through the book right now as
Speaker 1: we're talking. The book, by the way of Shadows of Glory,
Speaker 1: Memorable and Off the World World Series Stories, authored by
Speaker 1: Dave Brown and our guest Jeff Rodeimer, and I just
Speaker 1: turned to chapter five, Owners remorse. The only time in
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball history, maybe in the entire history of
Speaker 1: American sports, a team owner declined to accept a World
Speaker 1: Series championship. This was in nineteen twenty five, so obviously
Speaker 1: I don't remember, but it goes back to your what
Speaker 1: you just said about for the young baseball fan who
Speaker 1: has no idea about the history of the Fall Classic,
Speaker 1: the way you guys dived into it, tell me a
Speaker 1: little bit about this particular World Series.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that was one that Dave had picked out
Speaker 5: early that I knew literally nothing about. And I knew
Speaker 5: the story of the Washington Senators of the mid twenties
Speaker 5: and Walter Johnson's last few years, and in twenty four,
Speaker 5: the Senators had won an unlikely championship, and Johnson, late
Speaker 5: in his career was kind of the bell Cow. I mean,
Speaker 5: he helped bring that pen at home. But in twenty five,
Speaker 5: they're playing the Pirates and they get to a Game seven,
Speaker 5: it's all tied up, and Johnson's still with the Senators.
Speaker 5: But it is a terrible forecasts for the game. They
Speaker 5: decide they're going to play the game anyway. It's in Washington,
Speaker 5: and they start the game in torrential conditions and it
Speaker 5: only gets worse. And at the end of the fifth inning,
Speaker 5: the Commissioner of Baseball KNNI saw Mountain land Is, who
Speaker 5: was in the stands, waves the Washington owner over and says,
Speaker 5: I'm declayer in this game. Over, you have won the championship,
Speaker 5: And to his credit, the owner of the Senators said, nope, listen,
Speaker 5: we started the game in the rain. We knew what
Speaker 5: we were doing. We're finishing this game in the range.
Speaker 5: There's no way that the World Series is going to
Speaker 5: be decided on a five inning game. And they completed
Speaker 5: the game. Walter Johnson made another appearance, in this time
Speaker 5: Pittsburgh got to him and they won in an extremely
Speaker 5: sloppy game, but the Pirates ended up getting the World
Speaker 5: Series just four innings after the Washington Centers literally had
Speaker 5: it handed to them.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a great detailing not only of the history
Speaker 1: of the World Series, but the offbeat stories that people
Speaker 1: may not be familiar with, especially going back that far.
Speaker 1: For sure, it's also a Chronicle of American History. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at chapter thirteen. The title is The War,
Speaker 1: the Flu, and the Babe about World War One and
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighteen World Series.
Speaker 5: Your thoughts, Yeah, and that's one that was partly inspired
Speaker 5: by the fact that we were writing this book during
Speaker 5: the COVID pandemic, and in nineteen eighteen, Spanish flu, which
Speaker 5: was a bigger global pandemic than COVID, was running rampant
Speaker 5: through the United States. And not only that, you combine
Speaker 5: that with the fact that World War One was raging
Speaker 5: in Europe and a lot of players from the major
Speaker 5: leagues had already either enlisted or been drafted, and so
Speaker 5: this led to the first and only World Series it
Speaker 5: was ever played entirely in September, and ironically, the global
Speaker 5: pandemic was not the big deal during that World Series.
Speaker 5: It was more about World War One and the fact
Speaker 5: that the War Department did not want Major League Baseball
Speaker 5: to continue playing. They gave them an exception to finish
Speaker 5: the season by September first, and then that was supposed
Speaker 5: to be it, and then the owners pleaded with the
Speaker 5: War Department to let them at least finish out and
Speaker 5: played the World series, which they conceded and allowed to happen.
Speaker 5: So that's the oldest chapter in the book that goes
Speaker 5: back to nineteen eighteen. It's a chapter with a the
Speaker 5: Cubs and the Red Sox squaring off, and then the
Speaker 5: book end to that is the Cleveland Indian Chicago Cubs
Speaker 5: series in two thousand and sixteen. But in that twenty
Speaker 5: eighteen series, a whole bunch of things happened. It was
Speaker 5: the first time the star spangled banner was ever played.
Speaker 5: During the World Series, there was a threatened player strike
Speaker 5: when the players found out that the owners had conspired
Speaker 5: to cut the players cut of the profits and the
Speaker 5: World Series bonuses way down by giving off some of
Speaker 5: the World Series proceeds to the second and third place
Speaker 5: finishers in the regular season, and so they threatened to
Speaker 5: go on strike, and at the beginning of Game five
Speaker 5: they were nowhere to be found. They were going to
Speaker 5: strike until the president of the major of the American
Speaker 5: League stormed into the Red Sox clubhouse. Trunk is a monkey,
Speaker 5: and I promised to ruin them all, and they came
Speaker 5: out and they finished the World Series. And then something
Speaker 5: that is completely far into today's game in an effort
Speaker 5: to keep Babe Ruth on the bench on the days
Speaker 5: when he was not pitching, because he was still a
Speaker 5: pitcher for the Red Sox at the time, the Cubs
Speaker 5: decided that they were only going to have left handed
Speaker 5: pitchers pitched during the World Series. In over six games
Speaker 5: and fifty six innings, they had two lefties who pitched
Speaker 5: fifty four of those fifty six innings.
Speaker 2: Everybody, it's incredible.
Speaker 1: Everybody who's a Reds fan and a lifelong Reds fan
Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit longer in the tooth will
Speaker 1: remember Carlton Fisk's home run with the Red Sox against
Speaker 1: the Reds. But there were other things that obviously in
Speaker 1: the Reds won that series. Even though Carlton Fisk wins
Speaker 1: the with the walk off in that game, there were
Speaker 1: a lot of other things that happened in that World
Speaker 1: Series that are probably not as well known, but probably
Speaker 1: just as impactful as Carlton Fisk's home run in that
Speaker 1: particular series.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know, that's a good point, because there
Speaker 5: were a lot of stories that we consciously stayed away
Speaker 5: from only the because we didn't think that we could
Speaker 5: bring much more to the table. So Carton Fisk's home run,
Speaker 5: and there were certainly some backstories there, but you know,
Speaker 5: the Perfect Game by Don Larson in fifty six, Reggie
Speaker 5: Jackson hitting three home runs in Game six of the
Speaker 5: seventy seven World Series. It's hard to, you know, to
Speaker 5: find something new that you can really write about. So
Speaker 5: our focus really was on some of these lesser known events.
Speaker 5: But over eighteen chapters we covered at least twenty two teams,
Speaker 5: including a chapter on the Negro League World Series of
Speaker 5: nineteen forty two, which, you know, for shenanigans and hijinks,
Speaker 5: it almost can't be beat. You know, the stuff that
Speaker 5: went on in that World Series absolutely would be foreign
Speaker 5: to anybody you know watching the game today.
Speaker 2: As good as the Savannah Bananas.
Speaker 5: Well, you know what, not too far off, because like
Speaker 5: the Bananas, they did a lot of barnstorming. And in fact,
Speaker 5: this is a world series where they decided that Kansas
Speaker 5: City and the Homestead Great would play each game in
Speaker 5: a different city. And right off the bat, you know,
Speaker 5: you read about this and you're thinking, oh gee, what.
Speaker 2: Could go wrong there?
Speaker 5: So after three games they find out that Game four,
Speaker 5: which is supposed to be in Kansas City, can't be
Speaker 5: played because they don't have permission and the rights for
Speaker 5: the stadium for that game. So the World Series gets
Speaker 5: stopped right in its tracks and they go on a
Speaker 5: hiatus of about eight or nine days. And so the
Speaker 5: teams did what they do, They went out barnstorming. And
Speaker 5: so now the Homestead Grades and the Kansas City Monarchs
Speaker 5: are actually playing exhibition games against each other to make money,
Speaker 5: but games that don't count. And so during the course
Speaker 5: of this barnstorming period, a bunch of the guys in
Speaker 5: the Kansas City Monarchs I'm sorry, yeah, they start, you know,
Speaker 5: kind of wandering or it's the Homestead Grades. They start
Speaker 5: wandering off. And so when they come back to complete
Speaker 5: the World Series, all of a sudden, they don't look
Speaker 5: like the same team. The Homestead Grades three ringers from
Speaker 5: the Newark Eagles on their team, and so they play
Speaker 5: the fourth game it's under protest. All the owners get
Speaker 5: together and they finally agree, now we can't allow this,
Speaker 5: and they finish out the series with the rosters that
Speaker 5: they started with. But you know, guys had left the
Speaker 5: team because they thought they weren't going to get paid sure,
Speaker 5: and they were afraid the World Series wouldn't start again,
Speaker 5: so they took off, and then you know, the owner
Speaker 5: of the Homestead, Gray starts reassembling a team that doesn't
Speaker 5: look at anything like the one that they started the
Speaker 5: series with.
Speaker 1: Jeff Rodeiver, thank you so much, Avid baseball fan. Co
Speaker 1: author with Dave Brown of Shadows of Glory, Memorable and
Speaker 1: Offbeat World series Stories. Hello to your wife Peggy, and
Speaker 1: to your parent Rocky, and thanks for joining us well.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it, and anybody who's interested in finding out
Speaker 5: more can go to Shadows of glorybook dot com. That's
Speaker 5: our website. And Gary, it was great to talk to you.
Speaker 5: Thanks for having me on. Thank you, sir,