Speaker 1: This is Sham and I with the Mets and welcome
Speaker 1: to Baplip's end Nerds.
Speaker 2: Hello An, welcome to Batlips and to the Baseball Podcast
Speaker 2: with a British twist. I am your host this evening,
Speaker 2: Russell Lisam, and just like MLB, I have two heavyweight
Speaker 2: titans with me today to discuss the World Series. I
Speaker 2: have my New York Yankees and Los Angeles Dodgers Big Swinger,
Speaker 2: so I have Rob Navera's how are you doing?
Speaker 1: Rob? I think heavyweights about right, I'm not sure about
Speaker 1: the rest of it. And I have Ben Carda. How
Speaker 1: you doing?
Speaker 3: Ben? Very well? Thanks you. I don't know whether to
Speaker 3: take that as a compliment or not. Two of the
Speaker 3: most hated podcasters out there. No one way to see
Speaker 3: these sea together, so.
Speaker 2: I think, well we'll start there. I think as an
Speaker 2: interesting point to discuss. I think we are all heavily
Speaker 2: online people, and I think anybody who probably is listening
Speaker 2: to this podcast as well is into baseball far more than.
Speaker 1: The average person.
Speaker 2: There's been an attempt by some to say that this
Speaker 2: is a World Series that people didn't want because it
Speaker 2: has two teams that are disliked, But we also have
Speaker 2: the best players playing on the ground is stage, which
Speaker 2: will mean that more and I don't want to use
Speaker 2: this word normies might get involved with what's actually going on.
Speaker 2: Isn't this a good thing for baseball? Rob, Yeah, of
Speaker 2: course it is. This is fantastic.
Speaker 1: There's that tweet doing the rounds about this is this
Speaker 1: is the fact the perfect World Series for people who
Speaker 1: bought a hat with a logo or becas it kind
Speaker 1: of looked cool, you know, like you could you could
Speaker 1: genuinely see someone start at a bus stop tomorrow with
Speaker 1: a Dodger's hat, sat next to someone with a Yankees hat.
Speaker 1: You could walk up to them and go, how about that,
Speaker 1: Aaron Judge and they will both look at you blank.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you know what, maybe one or two people
Speaker 1: who bought one of those hats will have well notice
Speaker 1: that it's on, or they'll see that it's going on,
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, most people like this is good. Like
Speaker 1: the World Series is supposed to be the about the
Speaker 1: best bit of the sport. It's the pinnacle. Like we know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean much because the one sixty two is
Speaker 1: what really kind of you know, sorts men from the boys.
Speaker 1: But if we're talking about a showcase for the very
Speaker 1: very best of the very very best. Of course, you
Speaker 1: want the Dodgers and the Yankees. That's when it comes
Speaker 1: down to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does feel weird that I don't feel that
Speaker 2: from a footballing side, Ben people do. The fact that
Speaker 2: when we get like Man City versus Real Madrid, or
Speaker 2: Bayern Munich versus Barcelona, like at the World's at the
Speaker 2: final in the Champions League, this is just an inherently
Speaker 2: online baseball take.
Speaker 3: I think so, and I think we're so used to
Speaker 3: the playoffs throwing up surprise packages that when the two
Speaker 3: one seeds fairly comfortably get to the World Series, it
Speaker 3: feels like we've been robbed in some way. And actually
Speaker 3: it seems clear to me that this has all been
Speaker 3: one big fixed by rob Manfreld of Major League Baseball,
Speaker 3: and that they've done this for ratings or whatever it
Speaker 3: might be. I forget what the exact conspiracy theory is,
Speaker 3: but no, look, we always every year have the possibility
Speaker 3: of this happening, it seems, because these are two very
Speaker 3: good baseball teams every single year who make it to
Speaker 3: the players and have a chance to get there, and
Speaker 3: one of them or both of them generally find a
Speaker 3: way to screw it up once October rolls around, but
Speaker 3: this time they haven't. And yes, it is very annoying
Speaker 3: that the two teams that are most popular and everyone
Speaker 3: has the hats and blah blah blah paying each other.
Speaker 3: But it's also great because it is the two best
Speaker 3: teams and that is the baseball that I want to watch.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it will be kind of painful watching one
Speaker 3: of these fan bases get to celebrate. But on the
Speaker 3: other hand, it's going to be great baseball for seven
Speaker 3: really good games, I hope. Yes.
Speaker 2: And that's something that I want to point out that
Speaker 2: there's a potential that this World Series will probably actually
Speaker 2: be more watched in Japan than it is in the US.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you just saw those some NLCS
Speaker 2: stats have been put out there, but twenty million people
Speaker 2: between the US and Japan watched the first game of
Speaker 2: the NLCS, of which twelve million were in Japan and
Speaker 2: eight people eight million were in the US.
Speaker 1: So this actually is a world series.
Speaker 3: People in Japan love Max Mountsy Huh.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, they took on newt Bar Maybe it or
Speaker 2: be a Tommy Edmond will be the next guy that
Speaker 2: they'll they'll all get into. But yeah, so obviously we've
Speaker 2: got Yankees versus Dodgers. I think we'll talk a little
Speaker 2: bit about how the Dodgers got here first, the postseason
Speaker 2: run for them, like the down fingers from Ben. There,
Speaker 2: we'll have to get through the Mets in a second. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I was heavily watching the other games in this in
Speaker 2: this postseason, and watched a lot of this on highlights.
Speaker 2: I don't I think probably most people in the UK
Speaker 2: watched this all on highlights because it was all at
Speaker 2: times that were basically not really friendly for a British audience.
Speaker 2: But these all sit these games kind of seemed to
Speaker 2: be fairly done early on in the games, Ben, do
Speaker 2: you disagree that we kind of watched not quite six blowouts,
Speaker 2: but six kind of not particularly close games.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was kind of a shame because it wasn't
Speaker 3: a great series of individual games. I think there was
Speaker 3: still intrigue and drama because you know that the Dodgers
Speaker 3: took the lead initially, the Mets called them back a
Speaker 3: little bit. It was split off. Two games went to
Speaker 3: City Field, but it felt like the series was always alive.
Speaker 3: But yeah, each individual game, especially when you contrasted it
Speaker 3: with all the things that were happening, particularly when the
Speaker 3: series on the other side moves to Cleveland. It didn't
Speaker 3: feel like we had that moment that was like super dramatic.
Speaker 3: Or if those moments happened, they were early in games,
Speaker 3: right where Peter a Lonzo break the game open in
Speaker 3: the whatever it was, second inning, or you know, the
Speaker 3: Dodgers would pour on early and just the game would
Speaker 3: be sort of decided by the time it got round
Speaker 3: to sixth the seventh inning. So that was a bit
Speaker 3: of a shame because I think, you know, the moments
Speaker 3: we love about the playoffs are those like late inning
Speaker 3: dramatic moments, and this series had the potential to throw
Speaker 3: those up. It just did quite delivererate in the end.
Speaker 3: And that's like, in some ways the duty of baseball.
Speaker 3: Like a lot of games aren't close, and that doesn't
Speaker 3: change because it's the playoffs. We want to see exciting games,
Speaker 3: and it makes us probably enjoy the ones that are
Speaker 3: really tense more. But yeah, that same as you, I
Speaker 3: didn't really watch much of this series, if any of
Speaker 3: it live. Maybe a few of the sort of alienings
Speaker 3: in some games, but yeah, even the drama watching the
Speaker 3: highlights package back was kind of gone by the time
Speaker 3: we got to the fifth or sixth inning, which was
Speaker 3: a shame. But for the Mets, like the fairy tale run,
Speaker 3: felt like it had to come to an end at
Speaker 3: some point. It for one moment that they might have
Speaker 3: one more sort of trick up their sleeve moving the
Speaker 3: series back to LA. It felt like that was their chance.
Speaker 3: For me and I are on the mound just having
Speaker 3: to throw a ballpen game. But in the end, LA
Speaker 3: was just too strong with the bat and you know,
Speaker 3: predit to them, they were the better team. I have
Speaker 3: my doubts, but but yeah, they thoroughly deserved the winning
Speaker 3: the series and probably go into this World Series as
Speaker 3: narrow favorites.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we probably when we predict that they would
Speaker 2: make it this far, probably the output didn't come from
Speaker 2: quite the places that we anticipated. Tommy Edmond having a
Speaker 2: great series easily taking the the NLCS MVP, and k
Speaker 2: K can Ander's keeping his kind of postseason magic.
Speaker 1: In Form Roberts, It's like, is this what?
Speaker 2: Basically, because the Dodgers pay a lot of money to
Speaker 2: a lot of their players and they have a big squad,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if a lot of people get injured,
Speaker 2: they're still in a position that they're going to win
Speaker 2: games because they have their depth would be starters for
Speaker 2: quite a lot of other teams.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And it's not just the money. You look at
Speaker 1: that Dodgers team, it's born of the same same people
Speaker 1: who built the Rays. They've got that same way of
Speaker 1: thinking about people. And you know that they're still doing
Speaker 1: the old the old you win it in the aggregate,
Speaker 1: you know, they they've got the old moneyball thinking in there.
Speaker 1: They've got all that going on. So, yeah, absolutely, the
Speaker 1: Dodgers are going to be there. They're going to be
Speaker 1: ever present because every other team, seemingly almost every other
Speaker 1: team seemingly in the sport, seem to think you either
Speaker 1: go smart or you go with the money, when realistically
Speaker 1: the answer is why not both do both. That's what
Speaker 1: the Dodgers have done. Some years they've got there through
Speaker 1: being the very very best because their free agents are massive,
Speaker 1: and some years they've they've had people they've pulled out
Speaker 1: of nowhere. They've they've managed to turn around develop, you know,
Speaker 1: get that extra bit of value out of If you
Speaker 1: look at how the two teams are constructed, you'll find
Speaker 1: that Dodgers. Dodgers do have a lot more money in
Speaker 1: the free agents, but at the same time you would
Speaker 1: also probably trust the Dodgers more to develop the players.
Speaker 1: So that's why it is you can do. You can
Speaker 1: do a bit at both. If they had done one
Speaker 1: or the other, there would be a year where the
Speaker 1: Dodgers have bored and really flat in the last few years,
Speaker 1: like the Yankees did last year, like you know, but
Speaker 1: they don't. They've got both options. This year it was
Speaker 1: about clever stuff, having the backup rather than having the
Speaker 1: big guys, and it works.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think I looked just before we came on to
Speaker 2: look at what Baseball Perspectives has a good tool that
Speaker 2: you can look to see how much kind of war
Speaker 2: was missed due to injured players, and they are second
Speaker 2: with like nearly eleven war projected to be missed from
Speaker 2: like players missing like this season, second only to the Braves,
Speaker 2: who obviously losing Strider and Acunya for this season. But
Speaker 2: you can also look at it as like a percentage
Speaker 2: of like warp missed and when you do that, five
Speaker 2: or six other teams go past them because they've got
Speaker 2: more good players to fill in those spots. So we're
Speaker 2: talking a little bit more about the Dodgers lost it
Speaker 2: in a second when we get to our little competition
Speaker 2: that I have for Ben and Rob. On the other side,
Speaker 2: we saw probably one of the most entertaining like playoff
Speaker 2: series is in a while. I think obviously as a
Speaker 2: fan of one of the teams and the team that lost,
Speaker 2: to some of the excitement maybe was lost on me.
Speaker 1: But I think that to the neutral this was electric.
Speaker 1: This was what we wanted.
Speaker 2: We had some close games that had some key moments
Speaker 2: for both teams that came from one side, from Cleveland side,
Speaker 2: from maybe the less likely players, but from the Yankee side,
Speaker 2: came from those from the Beef Boys, from Judge, from Stanton,
Speaker 2: from Sodo. They really kind of hidden out of the
Speaker 2: park with all power. So go with universe, Ben, what
Speaker 2: did you think of that of that series?
Speaker 3: This series was epic. I mean, the only thing it
Speaker 3: was missing was a couple more games, right. I don't
Speaker 3: think I've ever seen a five game series that's meant
Speaker 3: to be seven that has given us this much in
Speaker 3: terms of drama entertainment, almost every game being on a
Speaker 3: knife edge. The combination of games three, four, and five
Speaker 3: were just incredible, Like the late enning drama Emmanuel Plasse
Speaker 3: basically the best picture in baseball year, seemingly completely falling
Speaker 3: apart at the end of games. Like you mentioned the
Speaker 3: big stars, Aaron Judge one so too hitting these unbelievably
Speaker 3: clutch home runs, you know when people write them off,
Speaker 3: Giancarlo Stanton being this other worldy October hero. And then yeah,
Speaker 3: on the guardian side, I mean that John Kenzie Noel
Speaker 3: home run, like I must have watched it two hundred times,
Speaker 3: Like that is one of the best moments I have
Speaker 3: ever seen on a baseball field. And I was again,
Speaker 3: I didn't watch that life. I was watching the highlights back,
Speaker 3: but like just the drama of that moment, everything that
Speaker 3: came before it, the bat flip, the call on commentary,
Speaker 3: like it was all just so perfect, and that was
Speaker 3: only to tie the game. Right then you had David
Speaker 3: Fry walking it off in the Havent thinning, whatever tempillning wherever.
Speaker 3: It ended up being. Yeah, No, it was brilliant that
Speaker 3: when we think about playoffs baseball and what makes it special,
Speaker 3: it's a series like this in games like we had
Speaker 3: there in terms of just lateening drama, back and forth
Speaker 3: leads relievers at one moment, shutting down a lineup at
Speaker 3: the next moment, unable to find the strike zone, and
Speaker 3: giving up clutch home runs. Yeah, it was. It was brilliant.
Speaker 3: It's a shame we couldn't get an extra game or
Speaker 3: two back in New York because, Yeah, the series, it
Speaker 3: felt like it deserved the extra game. And I think
Speaker 3: the Guardians, like, look, losing in five doesn't really do
Speaker 3: credit to how hard they pushed the Yankees. I think
Speaker 3: ask any Yankees fan what they've thought of that serious
Speaker 3: and it will have taken years off their life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that sad thing.
Speaker 2: Once again, it showed and I think when we're talking
Speaker 2: about the the Dodgers were not. As a Cleveland fan,
Speaker 2: I'm not upset that the Yankees or the Dodgers spend
Speaker 2: more money on their teams than me. I'm upset that
Speaker 2: my manager or my owner doesn't spend the money that
Speaker 2: he should spend to kind of put this together. Somebody
Speaker 2: was talking about the fact that like six of that
Speaker 2: kind of big part of that Yankees.
Speaker 1: Lineup, they're all done by trades.
Speaker 2: Yes, they give up prospects to do that, but anybody
Speaker 2: really could have got Soto for one year if they
Speaker 2: wanted to. It was just eat thirty million for one year,
Speaker 2: and he goes to the free agencies and you know
Speaker 2: that he's not taking the qualifying offer or whatever, so
Speaker 2: you don't have.
Speaker 1: To deal with that.
Speaker 2: But yes, this this Yankees lineup, I think obviously Torres
Speaker 2: kind of like getting back to what some people have
Speaker 2: thought he would be having good leadoff and volpay at
Speaker 2: the bottom of the order as well. Really, provided they
Speaker 2: got on base and the button the Yankees big like
Speaker 2: three drove them in. They drove in like seventy five
Speaker 2: percent of the runs that this team scored, which is
Speaker 2: kind of ridiculous when you think about what those three,
Speaker 2: these three players did well. From from another neutral perspective
Speaker 2: or maybe less neutral, as you obviously watch the Yankees
Speaker 2: a lot from from a from a raised perspective, does
Speaker 2: when you see that big three, does it just feel
Speaker 2: inevitable that one of them is going to probably do
Speaker 2: good each time they come through the order.
Speaker 1: It's the hope that kills you, isn't it. You know,
Speaker 1: you see them coming up and you run that gauntlet.
Speaker 1: If the Dodgers aren't without their gauntlet, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: but yeah, absolutely, it's I always feel like they haven't
Speaker 1: done that bad when I've watched them. You know, they
Speaker 1: they're pretty good guys. They've they've done all right at baseball.
Speaker 1: And yeah they are, I mean that there any team
Speaker 1: would have them and and they are scary. There's not
Speaker 1: much more to say about it, really, I mean that
Speaker 1: they are. They are just hellish, hellish to face the difference.
Speaker 1: The difference I think between these two teams coming into
Speaker 1: the World Series is you can almost steal yourself against
Speaker 1: the Yankees' core, whereas there's not as much of a
Speaker 1: soft belly to the Dodgers. I don't think so. The
Speaker 1: question is can you can you unlock it? Can you
Speaker 1: fix it? Can you work out? Work it out? What
Speaker 1: it is that's that's going to going to get these
Speaker 1: guys If there is a weakness, is there prison? But
Speaker 1: if there is that, that that's how you're going to
Speaker 1: beat the Yankees, and that that's what they've got to do.
Speaker 2: So just a quick thought to the Mets or the Guardians,
Speaker 2: which one of them team would you think is going
Speaker 2: to do better in next season? Goes Rob first.
Speaker 1: I don't really believe the Mets. I don't believe in
Speaker 1: the Mets, so I am going to say that the Guardians.
Speaker 1: It still feels like the Guardians didn't quite play as
Speaker 1: well as they could have done in the regular season.
Speaker 1: There's like the holes were glaring, There's there's still places
Speaker 1: that could just move back to the mean without without
Speaker 1: squinting too hard, whereas the Mets like like I don't
Speaker 1: I don't get what's in the water. Something changed when
Speaker 1: they visited London and and I don't think that's sustainable.
Speaker 1: The Guardians have shown over year and year and year
Speaker 1: that they keep doing this. They can do it, they
Speaker 1: can pull it out, they can do these little bits
Speaker 1: puidding around the edges. I think the Mets is a
Speaker 1: lot of chaos. That's kind of like barged into the
Speaker 1: right room rather than the room full of tigers and crocodiles.
Speaker 1: But it could easily have been the tigers and crocodiles
Speaker 1: and the Mets would have been torn to shreds. So
Speaker 1: based on the fifty four percent, I reckon it's the
Speaker 1: Guardians who are gonna be okay again next year. More
Speaker 1: likely like the Guardians, I think they could They're gonna
Speaker 1: get like ninety wins safely, the Mets have got that
Speaker 1: wild fifty wins or one hundred wins in them, and
Speaker 1: I think that's that's where it lands.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the one hundred and eighty million that's going off
Speaker 2: the books, which means probably means that another two hundred
Speaker 2: million is going on the books from Uncle Steve this
Speaker 2: time around. We just don't know who that's going to be. Ben,
Speaker 2: Are you going to change a habit of a lifetime
Speaker 2: and go with the Mets.
Speaker 3: I've never going to pick against my New York Mets,
Speaker 3: not after a season like this. They're almost two similar
Speaker 3: teams in a way, and that they both seem to
Speaker 3: be just cursed in that you know, how long has
Speaker 3: it been since the Guardians won the World Series A lifetime?
Speaker 3: There you go the Mets, I mean, they just seem
Speaker 3: to find ways to shoot themselves in the foot when
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem possible, And both of them seem to
Speaker 3: be maybe clearing a narrative a little bit this year.
Speaker 3: I think the Guardians certainly in there in the way
Speaker 3: they started to the scene how they feel a bit
Speaker 3: down the stretch, but their alds performances, the way that
Speaker 3: they took the Yankees all the way. This was the
Speaker 3: team that was legit this year. I think they'll be
Speaker 3: back again next year. They'll be very good again next year,
Speaker 3: especially with the way they developed starting pitching. But only
Speaker 3: one of these two teams are going to be in
Speaker 3: the one Soto sweepstakes. And it's not the Guardians as it.
Speaker 3: You know, the Mets can go out and Uncle Stevie
Speaker 3: can decide at any moment that he's going to go
Speaker 3: and get some superstar. I don't think it will be
Speaker 3: as simple as add one Soto win the World Series.
Speaker 3: But you know they're going to be competitive, and they've
Speaker 3: got a great roster, and even when you know awful
Speaker 3: things seem to happen to them, they'll find some grimis
Speaker 3: magic or something that will, you know, correct the course
Speaker 3: and get them back on the right track. So I
Speaker 3: don't think either team will go in to next season
Speaker 3: thinking or they won't be favorites among the bookies to
Speaker 3: win the World Series. But I think you'd be a
Speaker 3: thought to pick against them being back in October baseball again, Okay,
Speaker 3: or on fire one or the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think the I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people have I've heard say that, like the Mets bit
Speaker 2: this year was bits, Like they didn't just have one bit,
Speaker 2: they just had lots of bits and that was their bit.
Speaker 2: And I don't think that's it. We'll see how that
Speaker 2: goes into the next year. So obviously we're now going
Speaker 2: to move on to the main event itself, the Taylor
Speaker 2: Tranmill Series, the World Series, where one man is already
Speaker 2: guaranteed himself a ring.
Speaker 3: If I've seen this.
Speaker 2: He obviously did the rounds a little bit online a
Speaker 2: couple of days ago. That given the fact that Taylor
Speaker 2: Shrenals played for both of these teams this season, going
Speaker 2: hitless for the Dodgers and then having a nice one
Speaker 2: one walk game for the Yankees, he's already guaranteed a ring. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He played appearances he had this year like ten eight
Speaker 1: eight exactly. There you go, yeah, eight appearance.
Speaker 2: But what what that did for me is I looked
Speaker 2: up then some people who have played for both of
Speaker 2: these teams this year that seem completely netly foreign, and
Speaker 2: I did not realize in some of the regards that
Speaker 2: they did play for these teams. But if LA were
Speaker 2: to win the World Series, the Nelson Lamette would get
Speaker 2: a World Series ring. Rocky second, Cavin Bigio would get
Speaker 2: a World Series ring, and Nick Ahmed Nick Armed.
Speaker 3: I have no recollection of any of those guys playing
Speaker 3: for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and from the Yankee side, the funny ones I
Speaker 2: found were JD.
Speaker 1: Davis.
Speaker 3: Then that's JD. Davis, okay, sure.
Speaker 1: Nick Birdie of a pirate's long term fame.
Speaker 2: And the funnier one, which very much amused mister McGhee
Speaker 2: off the back Flips and Nerds, was Philip Bickford, who
Speaker 2: is basically spent a lot of time as a Dodger,
Speaker 2: then pick it up.
Speaker 3: But I mean, I do think that if these people
Speaker 3: are going to win World Series rings, they should have
Speaker 3: to show up to the final game of the series
Speaker 3: John Terry style full kit, just to go onto the
Speaker 3: the World Series rings and celebrate with the team. That
Speaker 3: would be great.
Speaker 2: It's more amazing when half of these players don't even
Speaker 2: like are not on these organizations anymore. It's not even
Speaker 2: the fact that like they're with the team and not
Speaker 2: in just not on the roster. Like I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: all of these players aren't even on the rosters of
Speaker 2: these teams anymore. Holiday and Cank, Yeah, we also have
Speaker 2: a slight British rivalry as well, because Michael Peterson would
Speaker 2: pick up a World Series ring if the Dodgers were
Speaker 2: to make it. But obviously Jazz Chisholm is on the
Speaker 2: other side as well, who has the represented Team GB
Speaker 2: in the World Baseball Classic qualifiers back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 1: So we're already guaranteed a World Series.
Speaker 3: Metal lads can't go.
Speaker 1: We should bring it here. We should all marvel at it.
Speaker 1: Although you probably can't get it through customs, can you
Speaker 1: gaudy and full of the value of it? Probably more
Speaker 1: than you're allowed to bring into the country.
Speaker 2: That okay, So, without further ado, this is the World
Speaker 2: Series between the Yankees and the Dodgers. And what I
Speaker 2: challenged Ben and Rob to do is we're going to
Speaker 2: do a draft of the squads. This is an attempt
Speaker 2: to see if we can better understand where teams are better,
Speaker 2: which team is better than the other, and give a
Speaker 2: bit of an incarnation to kind of like how we
Speaker 2: feel about some of these teams and some of these
Speaker 2: players going into the World Series. So I randomly flipped
Speaker 2: a coin using a coin using Google not an actually
Speaker 2: London and who has physical currency anymore? And Rob came
Speaker 2: up first.
Speaker 1: So oh great, Rob, I could show my hours right
Speaker 1: at the beginning. It's not having a clue what I'm
Speaker 1: actually doing so right, because there's an answer here, isn't
Speaker 1: there that I've not got? I don't think so, No,
Speaker 1: don't know. There isn't an There is an idea.
Speaker 2: I have an idea about what I think the strengths
Speaker 2: and weaknesses of these two teams are and how I
Speaker 2: think this draft will go. But I want to basically
Speaker 2: hear you two discuss it through, and then I'll.
Speaker 3: There's no secret, right answer, I don't think.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the first three picks kind of
Speaker 1: get done on their own, and then after that is
Speaker 1: when it gets interesting. Yeah correct, Yeah, fine, okay, So
Speaker 1: one shall I go for Rob? He's got to come hot.
Speaker 1: Say that about two of them. I'm going to take
Speaker 1: mister Aaron Judge Judge, and then Ben.
Speaker 2: Give me any I think it's the fair reflection of
Speaker 2: what they are both right now, Wait, I wouldn't point
Speaker 2: to order.
Speaker 1: Sorry, just quickly, am I drafting a full team? Like
Speaker 1: I need to make sure I have every position filed?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: I were like one of every position you can have
Speaker 2: like three or four three or starters and a few
Speaker 2: three or four relievers if you.
Speaker 1: Want, gotcha, no problems, carry on. Sorry, I'm going to
Speaker 1: go too deep.
Speaker 2: We're not going to make you draft twenty twenty seven
Speaker 2: players on each other and Asparius, Tim.
Speaker 1: Hill or whatever. Sorry he was saying.
Speaker 2: No, I was saying that, like, the only X factor
Speaker 2: that might make me pick a Tani ever judged right
Speaker 2: now is that I'm expect expecting like game seven pitching
Speaker 2: appearance from that would be amazing? Wouldn't it to not
Speaker 2: pitch all season and then come out of the bullpen
Speaker 2: and like, as I.
Speaker 3: Think Dave Roberts was asked, wasn't he like, oh, would
Speaker 3: it tiny be available? Ony b? He was like, no,
Speaker 3: but would anything be better than Atani giving his arm
Speaker 3: a whirl in the dugout and wandering over to the
Speaker 3: bullpen in Game seven?
Speaker 1: I don't want him to, you know, I want to.
Speaker 1: I would really like this to be the same grid season,
Speaker 1: the sacred one hundred percent encapsulated DH season, where none
Speaker 1: of that goes into any thinking about the the wazzo
Speaker 1: Tani able to do it just as as a hitter, Yes,
Speaker 1: he was, that's I want it I want it pure.
Speaker 2: The other side to this is I see the potentially
Speaker 2: with Freddie Freeman, depending on how his injury continues, could
Speaker 2: they stick Otorney in the in the outfield and we
Speaker 2: finally get to see o Tarney fielding.
Speaker 1: But I'm up for that that one.
Speaker 2: Rob's okay with Okay, so to go with Judge, Rob,
Speaker 2: you will be taking well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously I'll take mister Soto Juan. So I wait,
Speaker 1: but do I take him as a dher? Do I
Speaker 1: put him in left field?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 1: You probably he's playing field, But yeah, I'm playing him
Speaker 1: in the left field because I don't believe his defensive
Speaker 1: death and I think there might be other right fielders
Speaker 1: I'd like.
Speaker 3: This. Straft's not going very well so far because we're
Speaker 3: just both drafting the two teams that already exist. Because
Speaker 3: I'm going to take Mookie Bets.
Speaker 2: Well, you might have already got to part of what
Speaker 2: I was trying to get at, Ben, that how maybe
Speaker 2: even these two teams are at the top.
Speaker 3: There are some serious superstars on both sides sides, so Rob,
Speaker 3: So now it gets interesting.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: I can't just take all the Yankees, though, because I
Speaker 1: don't think they're the better team Garrett Cole, but Garrett Cole, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I. The other obvious thing about
Speaker 1: this exercise for me is I think there may be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a scarcity of decent starting pictures
Speaker 1: who have all their limbs attached.
Speaker 3: I won't argue with that. I'm tempted by another dodge.
Speaker 3: I but I'm going to mix things up otherwise otherwise
Speaker 3: quite the exercise. So give me, give me Giancarlo Stanton
Speaker 3: like any other time of year, not interested. But October
Speaker 3: Stanton is a different beast, and he's been red hot
Speaker 3: throughout the playoffs. I like that one, two three of him.
Speaker 3: That's Otani.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're paying either Otani or Stanton in the.
Speaker 3: Field, I guess so. Yeah, they're hit ingers.
Speaker 1: It just won't be a catch singers if it's stamping. Correct.
Speaker 2: No, there's been some really interesting pieces I think talking about,
Speaker 2: like having Coal I'm sorry, having Soto and Stanton like
Speaker 2: next to each other, like in a lineup where you
Speaker 2: have potentially like the most patient person who will looks
Speaker 2: in control every kind of like play appearances like swings
Speaker 2: are only like things that he needs to swing at.
Speaker 2: Has the play discipline, has the power in Soto and
Speaker 2: then Stanton, who can look awful. But if you make
Speaker 2: a mistake pitch to Stanton, that thing is a bliterated
Speaker 2: like that's what that's what he got when he hit
Speaker 2: that home run.
Speaker 3: He does it in the same at bat right, like
Speaker 3: he'll take a horrible swing at slider way out of
Speaker 3: the zone one pitch, and then the next pitch they'll
Speaker 3: douvel up on the slider but just miss the spot
Speaker 3: and bang gone. Like it does feel like there'll be
Speaker 3: times in this series where he will strike out in
Speaker 3: a massive spot and Yaki's fans will be like boo,
Speaker 3: because that's what they do when in their players do
Speaker 3: anything bad. But there will also be a time when
Speaker 3: he just hits a game changing home run and you
Speaker 3: just have to take to go with the bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you go back and look at that home run,
Speaker 2: just look to see where like Bonaylor is set up
Speaker 2: to take that pitch. He's set up like I think
Speaker 2: a foot outside the zone. That pitch was never meant
Speaker 2: to be anywhere near the zone. But hay a slider
Speaker 2: against one of the best players in the world.
Speaker 1: But if he has to bend over and do his
Speaker 1: shoelaces up, can probably tear every muscle up the backside
Speaker 1: of his body. Okay, rob okay? Controversial or is it?
Speaker 1: I'm going to take Austin Wells.
Speaker 3: Yes, controversial?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, controversialsial. I like Austin Wells potently, like even
Speaker 1: losing the catching rule. But he's a catcher who who
Speaker 1: who can hit a little bit. And Will Smith is
Speaker 1: not looking as hitty as we thought he would be,
Speaker 1: so I think I think Wells has got some in him,
Speaker 1: So I'm taking I'm taking Austin Wells. Also third in
Speaker 1: the war leader board for the end.
Speaker 3: Definitely the better defensive catcher of the two, isn't he
Speaker 3: if we compare him and Smith? So that you get
Speaker 3: the edge there with your with your pitching by having
Speaker 3: him behind play.
Speaker 1: And pitching is thank you for making my team sound better, Ben,
Speaker 1: I do appreciate. Yeah, Austin Wells. Look, I think catchers
Speaker 1: have been have been a bit of a if we're
Speaker 1: to pick a position that's not really shown in throughout
Speaker 1: all of the playoffs, with a couple of minor exceptions,
Speaker 1: I think catchers have been a little bit down this year,
Speaker 1: and I think some of the superstar catchers. The real
Speaker 1: mutos have taken big steps back this year as well,
Speaker 1: So I think I think there's a there's a value
Speaker 1: in a decent catcher at the moment, which which perhaps
Speaker 1: is a little bit more than it has been in
Speaker 1: the last few years when other guys have been a
Speaker 1: lot better and they're just they're just not quite as
Speaker 1: as stunning as they have been. Well, it'll be interesting
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 2: I think he has to probably quite significantly improve from
Speaker 2: his TS performance where he went one for seventeen.
Speaker 1: That one was a home run. He's saving them all up. So, Ben,
Speaker 1: who are you taking for your fourth pick?
Speaker 3: I'll go a bit leftfield too. I'm going to take
Speaker 3: Blake Trinan here. I think that he is the best
Speaker 3: bullpen arm on both rosters, and there aren't that many
Speaker 3: elite on bulpen arms on these two rosters. So I
Speaker 3: want to get him on my team because I feel
Speaker 3: most confident telling to him in the high leverage spots
Speaker 3: late innings.
Speaker 2: So Ben is taking the Stephen Voight approach to this,
Speaker 2: getting himself relievers before he has any starters, correct, Rob, do.
Speaker 1: I believe in the magic or do I go for
Speaker 1: someone who's actually good I'm gonna take Labor Torres, which
Speaker 1: is kind of maybe a bit of both. He's he
Speaker 1: has been fantastic recently. Maybe he's one of those big
Speaker 1: game players, But it feels like whenever I've been watching
Speaker 1: the highlights, I've always put it on and it's Labor
Speaker 1: Torres on base again and he can field. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Labor Torres. Yeah. I don't think Labor
Speaker 1: labor gay or whatever it is. John Stirling will say.
Speaker 3: Another reason not to want the Yankees to win the
Speaker 3: World Series. Anyway, I will take I'll take College ford On.
Speaker 3: I think he looks really good in the American League
Speaker 3: Championship Series. I think his underline numbers have been great
Speaker 3: all season and in the playoffs. I think he's the
Speaker 3: best lefty starter out there, which probably quite helpful against
Speaker 3: whatever lineup Rob's putting together. Here. It's between him and
Speaker 3: the Dodgers best started. But I like Rodn. I think
Speaker 3: he's a bit more consistent, So give me him.
Speaker 1: Okay, we're doing starters. Then I'll go with the other.
Speaker 1: I'll take Flatsy from the Dodgers. If he is well,
Speaker 1: is he well, he's well, he's well, he's fine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: my shocks face. Rob was more than that. Was the
Speaker 1: first Dodger pitcher to be taken off the board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Walkabi has not been brilliant, that's what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. I know what you're talking about. I believe,
Speaker 1: I believe is Obviously he's had a pretty phenomenal season.
Speaker 2: Was a little bit rough with the Dodgers when he
Speaker 2: first arrived, but had a couple of very good playoff
Speaker 2: performances for them before he got beat up a little
Speaker 2: on the last one. But yeah, I think he's going
Speaker 2: to be somebody who's going to get you six innings.
Speaker 2: So if it's allowed to, we'll get you two times
Speaker 2: through the order at least. Too much issues Ben.
Speaker 3: The injury worries me, but give me Freddy Freeman. I
Speaker 3: think we've waited home enough now. Just he hasn't looked
Speaker 3: himself in the playoffs, and I think his mobility at
Speaker 3: first base is a genuine worry. But hopefully the time
Speaker 3: off will have done him some good. And it just
Speaker 3: feels like he's got, you know, like a hobble to
Speaker 3: the plate Kirk Gibson moment in him this World Series.
Speaker 3: Doesn't he like he'll go over thirteen to start the
Speaker 3: World Series, and then they'll just be a moment where
Speaker 3: he'll need to come up with a big hit, and
Speaker 3: he will. He's just such a pure brilliant hitter that
Speaker 3: I can't pass him up here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think obviously we kind of for people cast
Speaker 2: their mind back to when Cleveland were playing Detroit, Kerry
Speaker 2: Carpenter almost had one of those moments, gave them a
Speaker 2: go ahead hit but hobbled to first, or somebody somebody
Speaker 2: else managed to score from first to home.
Speaker 1: A very long single, yeah, Robbie, or hey, well, there's
Speaker 1: only one first baseman really left worth of down. But
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go for it because Ben's already
Speaker 1: got his first base. He doesn't need a first basement
Speaker 1: right now. So I'll put him in my back pocket
Speaker 1: for now. I think I might go with mister Chisholm.
Speaker 3: The jazz, a bit of a Homer, a bit of
Speaker 3: a jazz.
Speaker 1: He's got the magic, he's got the you know, that's
Speaker 1: what you want in the postseason. He might not be fantastic.
Speaker 1: He might be fantastic, you know, if it's not still
Speaker 1: really that suret because of the way the injuries will
Speaker 1: come with him. But he's got that magical spark that
Speaker 1: could set off at any moment. I think he probably
Speaker 1: is fantastic, So I'm gonna have mister Chisholm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another one who didn't have a particularly great championship series,
Speaker 2: but I obviously can see him playing well. We know
Speaker 2: what he is capable of doing. He does have that
Speaker 2: kind of speed pile combination that not many players do.
Speaker 2: But obviously we'll wait to see what happens because he
Speaker 2: had no runs and no Ribby's in the in the
Speaker 2: last series. So as Rob saying that his due his
Speaker 2: due for at least regression to the mean, Rob, at
Speaker 2: least for.
Speaker 1: A regression to the mean. What my whole team is?
Speaker 3: Ben? Give me Yamamoto. I'm a little bit worried that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he hasn't looked himself in the playoffs so far, which
Speaker 3: I think is why he slipped down the board, because
Speaker 3: usually you'd have him up there with with Cole as
Speaker 3: sort of the ace of the staff. But I don't
Speaker 3: think that's what we've seen, accepting small glimpses from him
Speaker 3: in the postseason, but the talent is undeniable. You know,
Speaker 3: if the Dodgers end up using him just in a
Speaker 3: sort of role where it's go out, give out your
Speaker 3: all for three innings and we'll do it. Will hit
Speaker 3: the rest from there. Then that's still super valuable. And
Speaker 3: if he ends up, you know, coming in relief in
Speaker 3: one of the later games, you know, he could be dynamite.
Speaker 3: So yeah, give me Amamoto.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yamamo. To think how it's lined up, is probably
Speaker 2: going to go game two. I think it has been
Speaker 2: confirmed with most people are talking about Flat he being
Speaker 2: game one and Yamamoto game two, so that could be yeah,
Speaker 2: game two in game six from him, So a big
Speaker 2: one to go against.
Speaker 1: Rodn Rob feel shortstop is not particularly deep, so I
Speaker 1: think I will take Anthony Volpey. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of nit in there. I'm not particularly fond of Volpi, however,
Speaker 1: I think he's probably just about the best offering out
Speaker 1: of those two teams. He's probably gonna play any games,
Speaker 1: so I think he's probably the best option out there,
Speaker 1: unless you believe in the magic. That's the thing, how
Speaker 1: many I believe.
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to find this because it's
Speaker 2: finding the really ces MVPs is a difficult thing to do.
Speaker 2: But I wonder if anybody's actually gone back to back
Speaker 2: as a Championship Series MVP and then a World Series MVP.
Speaker 1: But it's it's a very difficult thing to do.
Speaker 3: So Ben, Yeah, I'm seeing some differatism in mine and
Speaker 3: Rob's views because I would probably have both the Dodgers
Speaker 3: middlandfielders above the Yankees actually, so I I'll take Gavin
Speaker 3: Lux here second basement for the Dodgers, who quietly was
Speaker 3: phenomenal second half of the Dodgers. I don't think he's
Speaker 3: been quite as red hot in the playoffs so far,
Speaker 3: but a good, very very handy bat left you bat
Speaker 3: solid at second base. I think he's obviously one of
Speaker 3: those guys who had a lot of hypers as a
Speaker 3: prospection as a rookie and is kind of quiet down
Speaker 3: since then that he's settled into a really good baseball player.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, I'm not confident. Give me Hernandez. He is
Speaker 1: he fit?
Speaker 3: Yeah he is fit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, n c s.
Speaker 3: But he's been very good before that, absolutely, Like.
Speaker 1: He brings not very much defensively, but yeah, he's gone
Speaker 1: awful lot of power. Like we know what Taoka is,
Speaker 1: He's been doing it for years. He's not he's not
Speaker 1: really deviated from what he is and he will continue
Speaker 1: to be what he is hopefully. So Also, I realized
Speaker 1: I've got forty many Yankees on my team, so I'm
Speaker 1: going to have Hernandez in right field because I put
Speaker 1: so to and left.
Speaker 3: I might switch them, but no one's taking Max MONSI right, Nope,
Speaker 3: Guinea Monci. He's he's so good in the playoffs. It
Speaker 3: feels like every year, and he's actually been excellent the
Speaker 3: third basis. Shit offensively, hasn't he which you know, not
Speaker 3: to be disparaging, doesn't look like he'd be great defensively
Speaker 3: at third, but he's been. He's been rock solid. And yeah,
Speaker 3: he's just got a great pedigree when it comes to
Speaker 3: hitting in October.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think one thing that has been quite remarkable
Speaker 2: that these two teams making it too that this series
Speaker 2: is actually that they are probably the two most patient
Speaker 2: at the plate. We'll have to see how this kind
Speaker 2: of continues into the postseason and how this continues in
Speaker 2: the in the in the in the finals game to
Speaker 2: actually kind of go through that, but yeah, I think
Speaker 2: it is. It's a very interesting one to watch, and
Speaker 2: Muncy is the exemplar of getting on base and doing
Speaker 2: damage when you see a bad pitch.
Speaker 1: So Rob I have always liked, probably again on a
Speaker 1: good move, I've always liked Michael Kopek. So I'm going
Speaker 1: to pick k of my first reliever because we're going
Speaker 1: to need relieve at some point, So Michael Kopek is
Speaker 1: my pick. He grows million miles an hour, was horribly
Speaker 1: mismanaged by the White Sox, and in the hands of
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, I feel like he could be over the
Speaker 1: next couple of years, one of the absolute best relievers,
Speaker 1: or maybe even a swing man. But he's he's got
Speaker 1: what it takes stuff wise, just need to get it
Speaker 1: point in the right direction. So yeah, Michael Copex could
Speaker 1: be could be big.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: There are potentially a couple of other arms I might
Speaker 2: have been for first, but I do like Copeck. I
Speaker 2: think he gives a good option for the Dodgers. And
Speaker 2: once again, if you want to talk about mismanaging by
Speaker 2: any sort of team, the White Sox are usually highest.
Speaker 2: I'm still kind of reeling from that piece that Ken
Speaker 2: Rosenthal I think wrote and the Athletic talking about like
Speaker 2: how backward like the White Sox are and still are,
Speaker 2: and how like cheap they are, the fact that they
Speaker 2: still like have like the tiniest like team plane compared
Speaker 2: to like everybody, which is just when you're skimping on
Speaker 2: like those sorts of things, that just gives you a
Speaker 2: bit of a reputation. Okay, Ben, who are you going with?
Speaker 3: I'll go relieve it too, and I'll go Luke Weaver
Speaker 3: of the Yankees, who I think had a shaky outing
Speaker 3: in the Alcs, but otherwise it's been pretty good at
Speaker 3: the end of games for the Yankees. For the Yankees
Speaker 3: this year, Yeah, it's a bit of a crap shoot
Speaker 3: in the late innings, so you kind of just throw
Speaker 3: someone out there and hope that they're on it on
Speaker 3: that particular night. But he's been been pretty good for
Speaker 3: a while and how as a sort of converted starter
Speaker 3: into reliever, as most of them seem to be these days.
Speaker 3: So I'll take him to fortify my bullpen.
Speaker 1: Okay, should be going for pictures, but I think I
Speaker 1: still want one more bat, and I want someone with
Speaker 1: a little bit of versatility, So I'm going to grab
Speaker 1: Tommy Edmund. Just a bill in a few spots. You
Speaker 1: can play a couple of places. He's not going to
Speaker 1: hurt you with the bat when he's playing in those
Speaker 1: spaces if you need to need to fill in some stuff.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to take Yeah, Tommy, why not? And
Speaker 1: he's my utility man. Utility.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've obviously there's been a lot of
Speaker 2: words written about Edmund in the last few days given
Speaker 2: his performance, but completely lily underradar deal that happened. I
Speaker 2: don't think anybody was talking about just adding some depth.
Speaker 2: Didn't play at all as he'd been injured, and I
Speaker 2: actually had been played I think poor for the Cardinals
Speaker 2: in his some of his rehab games as well. So yeah,
Speaker 2: just we know that he can do well, especially against
Speaker 2: the platoton side.
Speaker 3: But I'll Takedez probably slott In as my short stop,
Speaker 3: I guess, but another versatile player just loves showing up
Speaker 3: when when October rolls around. Feels like he's been playing
Speaker 3: for decades at this point, but he's still pretty good
Speaker 3: in a pinch.
Speaker 1: Which are the crap pictures? Do you take? We both
Speaker 1: need another start to heart, really know which way to go.
Speaker 1: Who is mostly dead, who's going to fill some innings?
Speaker 1: Maybe you just you pick the guy who's not played
Speaker 1: very much. Maybe I'm going to go with Kasparius tim
Speaker 1: I'm doing it.
Speaker 3: Who knows?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? You have to say, the rest of them are proven.
Speaker 1: They're not really up to much muster at the moment,
Speaker 1: So why not let's take him any good? Is he
Speaker 1: any good?
Speaker 2: Well? He does still have He did four point one
Speaker 2: innings over three appearances with the zero runs given up
Speaker 2: and just two pits.
Speaker 1: So we go. But he's over how many innings, sorry,
Speaker 1: over how many starts? He has not started? He is
Speaker 1: not a starter, Rob, but he is listed as a
Speaker 1: starter of the death charts. That's how bad it is
Speaker 1: for the Dodgers. And that's the point I'm trying to
Speaker 1: make right here.
Speaker 3: Bullpen game, That's what Rob's going for here with his
Speaker 3: one other reliever.
Speaker 2: Like the people that have started their game games from
Speaker 2: ballpins our Copig who did one, and Brazier who did
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 1: I picked him. I don't care. I don't care what
Speaker 1: you say. Okay, find me a better option out there
Speaker 1: for starting. Pick the guy you never heard of? Are
Speaker 1: still there and it's a punk Rob, I like it.
Speaker 1: You can't stay there.
Speaker 3: I'll go with Luis Heel as my starter. I don't
Speaker 3: really trust Buler I know he was quite good in
Speaker 3: his last start, and that he seems to be finding
Speaker 3: a way. Was it that sweeper he threw, that sort
Speaker 3: of it never he'd never thrown before, and seem to
Speaker 3: be better than he'd looked in previous outing to the Dodgers.
Speaker 3: But he's been mostly rubbish this year, whereas Hill has
Speaker 3: been mostly good. And I know he hasn't pitched much
Speaker 3: in the playoffs yet, but I think if the Yankees
Speaker 3: need him for a start, he'll probably be good. And
Speaker 3: if they end up using him more as a bullpen arm,
Speaker 3: he could be really electric. So give me him.
Speaker 2: Okay, three or three or four more picks?
Speaker 1: What I need? I need a d H first baseman
Speaker 1: and a starter. I've worked it out here, so uh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Clark Schmidt. He's serviceable, and that's about
Speaker 1: all we can say at this point. He is serviceable.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'll have Clark Schmidt as my final starter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he's going to be going. He'll probably
Speaker 2: have the Game four against the against I'm most likely
Speaker 2: a Dodger's bullpen game, so potentially it's probably actually the
Speaker 2: most likely Yankees picture to pick up a win in
Speaker 2: any of the games, just because it'll be in Yankee
Speaker 2: Stadium versus a Bullpuen game.
Speaker 3: I've competedly lost track if he's on my team, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take Andy plahez. I think I might eat
Speaker 3: a centerfielder, so give me oh.
Speaker 1: A p yep, you do you need two more outfielders?
Speaker 1: Well he needs one.
Speaker 2: You can put one of Stanton or.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do have to admit something from watching this NLCS.
Speaker 2: I've been calling him Andy Pages for almost the higher season.
Speaker 3: I mean that is why it was too just spell,
Speaker 3: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, why wouldn't you until someone's told you otherwise? Why
Speaker 1: would you think anything else? So I guess that's foine.
Speaker 2: I haven't really watched many Dodgers games throughout the season,
Speaker 2: like and Pages. When somebody was like it was like parhas,
Speaker 2: I was like, who the hell is this?
Speaker 1: Have I completely missed and missed somebody?
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh no, it's just the name, my
Speaker 2: freaking modern day hermione if that was the same for
Speaker 2: any of you. But yes, I have to just have
Speaker 2: to call everybody like Hams instead or whatever or Rob
Speaker 2: keep vamping.
Speaker 3: I am still really stuck.
Speaker 1: You know John Bertie's sound looked really intriguing at this point. Ah,
Speaker 1: I'm just going to take I've kind of got to
Speaker 1: at this point, like what what else is the option?
Speaker 1: I mean like you're kind of looking at the rest
Speaker 1: of them squinting, thinking did you play in a bind?
Speaker 1: Could you play at first base? But I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: have to take Rizzio. It's just it's a dearth, it's
Speaker 1: a death at first pace. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think Rizzo obviously he kind of hit well against Cleveland,
Speaker 2: so I can't really like when where he is like
Speaker 2: lower down in the order now, which just did his job.
Speaker 1: I think enough.
Speaker 2: So it's not the same player we were thinking about
Speaker 2: when it was. It's not twenty sixteen anymore. But he's
Speaker 2: still beating Cleveland in the postseason.
Speaker 3: Ben, I don't know if this is allowed. I feel
Speaker 3: like he might be injured. But are we saying Anthony
Speaker 3: Banda is available?
Speaker 1: Don't see why not?
Speaker 3: I think he's bad.
Speaker 1: I say why not because at the moment, you can
Speaker 1: keep throwing those balls, but you haven't got to catch
Speaker 1: a mate.
Speaker 2: I'll get to it, yeah, Or you can just throw
Speaker 2: a spanner into the works if you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go to take a back up dh thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm taking to take mister will Smith.
Speaker 3: Damn it right, Anthony Rizzo, you're on my team now,
Speaker 3: see how you like him? You got him? Yeah you
Speaker 3: thought this three? Okay? Fine in that case, mister Barnes, looking,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just leave my raiders trying to trying to
Speaker 3: know one and take Evan Phillips.
Speaker 1: Okay, Philip, I mean more we doing. I mean I
Speaker 1: have a full team now, assuming I'm doing two relievers
Speaker 1: and three starters. Let's take another reliever then.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: Okay, how many of these actually are still pitching? He's injured.
Speaker 1: He's injured, he's injured, he's still playing. Hudson on a
Speaker 1: on a on a roster at the moment. More always
Speaker 1: like Brent Honeywell, but that's not neither him or that.
Speaker 1: I'll take Daniel Hudson. Daniel Hudson's got he's got a
Speaker 1: bit of bit about him. He's been solid a lot.
Speaker 1: He's been a bit shaky recently, if I'm correct, but
Speaker 1: he's he's been good at other points. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take Daniel Hudson.
Speaker 3: It is, and I guess I need to catch us
Speaker 3: I'll takest him. So it's going to crunch the numbers
Speaker 3: in the spreadsheet now and tell us the exact score
Speaker 3: of every game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so kind of the one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: I want to do this is that I genuinely thought
Speaker 2: that if you kind of you effectively, like right at
Speaker 2: the top, both of these teams are equivalent, like the
Speaker 2: stars that are available for both teams are good. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the question then became that Freeman is injured, so he
Speaker 2: doesn't he isn't necessarily like you're not going out Arni
Speaker 2: Betts Freeman the same way that you are going like Judge,
Speaker 2: Soto and Cole. So actually, like once you get rid
Speaker 2: of like the top top players, these lineups maybe skew
Speaker 2: towards the Yankees that they're actually kind of like the
Speaker 2: fourth to tenth best players in these teams is maybe
Speaker 2: more Yankees dominated than it is for the Dodgers. But
Speaker 2: I think that then the middle after that is all
Speaker 2: the Dodged, Like you would then kind of go a
Speaker 2: lot of those before you would go.
Speaker 1: With with with any of the Yankees players.
Speaker 2: So to me, as I kind of had seen this
Speaker 2: is that like the there are some rougher Edges on
Speaker 2: this Yankees team, but I think it's a bit more
Speaker 2: evenly distributed across the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the lineup depth is better for the Dodgers,
Speaker 3: And it sounded like rob might be higher on the
Speaker 3: guys like Torres and Volpe and Austin Wells than I am.
Speaker 3: You know, I think that the Dodgers have got you know,
Speaker 3: Smith Munsi, Lux Tiosca further down the lineup. Those guys
Speaker 3: to me are a step above what the Yankees have
Speaker 3: got in there kind of five to nine spots in
Speaker 3: the lineup. But then on you know, conversely much the
Speaker 3: Yankees' rotation. You know, I think Cole's is a legit
Speaker 3: ace that know Moto might be but hasn't necessarily shown
Speaker 3: since your turn from injury. I like we're done a lot.
Speaker 3: You know that the book Dodger is going to have
Speaker 3: to go with a bullpen game at least once, probably twice,
Speaker 3: whereas the Yankees in theory could roll with starters in
Speaker 3: every game of the series. And that you know, in
Speaker 3: a some sories that will make a difference if the
Speaker 3: Dodgers have to use a lot mornings from their bullpenalves
Speaker 3: and the Yankees do so I think that makes it
Speaker 3: a really interesting series because one team probably has the
Speaker 3: upper hand on the hitting side and one team with
Speaker 3: a hand on the pitching side. So be fascinating see
Speaker 3: how it plays are, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I am more drawn to Ben's team. After you've done
Speaker 1: an exercise, is it is clearly better than mine. However,
Speaker 1: I went into the with the with the preconception that
Speaker 1: I thought that it was going to be a fairly
Speaker 1: slamm dug We're going to be fighting over the Dodgers,
Speaker 1: and I did find myself more drawn to the Yankees
Speaker 1: than I thought I would be. So I think that that,
Speaker 1: in my mind has just leveled this this series up
Speaker 1: a little bit. If I'm honest. I was pretty much
Speaker 1: the Dodgers are going to walk the Yankees in this.
Speaker 1: I'm now not so much thinking that. So, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: some intrigue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is as probably close to a
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty you're going to get in a World Series,
Speaker 2: I think, And it's also into fifty to fifty from
Speaker 2: these both teams are good, not a fifty to fifty
Speaker 2: from last year where it was like, well you both
Speaker 2: are quite lucky to be here. So to finish off
Speaker 2: we obviously have to choose our Steve Pierce World Series
Speaker 2: MVP Award champion. Given that Rob is looking down at
Speaker 2: his list, Ben, do you have a player who you
Speaker 2: think is going to be the World Series MVP who
Speaker 2: is not just Judge, Otorni, Betts or Soto. I will
Speaker 2: allow Standon to be a pit hitter, just he's not
Speaker 2: as like phenomenal as the other four.
Speaker 3: But you can't pick that's generous, But Chris Peters Award?
Speaker 3: Is it Steve Pierce? Sorry, Chris piss is a colleague
Speaker 3: of mine anyway, I think because it has to be
Speaker 3: someone who's going to play right, like, you can't choose
Speaker 3: I don't know Trevino because he's going to get like
Speaker 3: two rout bats in the whole series. So that does
Speaker 3: limit you a little bit in terms of how Rogue
Speaker 3: can go with your pick. But I think that Apple
Speaker 3: mentioned Andy Pahez might be a good shout. I think
Speaker 3: he gets in enough games where he can have quite
Speaker 3: a big impact, where a couple of clutch home runs
Speaker 3: and he could become a favorite for it. If I've
Speaker 3: got a pick on the Yankee side, I'll probably go
Speaker 3: for someone like Flavor Torres had a really good alc
Speaker 3: at the top of the lineup. If he continues to
Speaker 3: hit well in the leadoff spot, get on base with
Speaker 3: the guys behind him, I could see him ending up
Speaker 3: skeeping this awards. So I'll give you those two names,
Speaker 3: one from each from from my side.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, then I'm gonna I'm gonna take a picture.
Speaker 1: I think someone that likes of Kopek could could really
Speaker 1: make a big difference because he's he could have a
Speaker 1: few winnings in there. He could you know, he could
Speaker 1: really come into some big spots. He could play a
Speaker 1: lot of games, he could throw a lot of innings,
Speaker 1: and he could he could really be a difference maker.
Speaker 1: So I will go with Michael Kopek's my Yankees choice,
Speaker 1: and I think it's sort of lining up to Max
Speaker 1: Mounsey really for the Dodgers. Sorry, yes, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: I've looked at my team versus your team, and let's
Speaker 1: say Austin Wells. I actually was gonna say back to monthly,
Speaker 1: Mounsey was one. It's kind of lined up for him
Speaker 1: that he's the next guy there with all the injuries.
Speaker 1: But I'll go with Austin Wills and my cope you.
Speaker 3: Do love Austin Wells.
Speaker 1: I do love Austin Wells. I can't stand him. He's
Speaker 1: bloody Yankee, but yeah, I love him. I love Yeah.
Speaker 2: This is like an interesting one for me because I
Speaker 2: think if there's going to be a pitcher that's going
Speaker 2: to do it, I think you have to win both
Speaker 2: of your starts, and you have to kind of you
Speaker 2: want to have to do that and come out in
Speaker 2: like m relief in game seven as well, or you
Speaker 2: have to kind of win both of your games and
Speaker 2: the team wins like for one or or like four
Speaker 2: to two. So I'll I'll give a punt on Jack
Speaker 2: flat at Tea going too and oh against Garrett Cole.
Speaker 2: I think if he manages that with the two good starts,
Speaker 2: he could be another one to go for. And just
Speaker 2: because we might as well end this on a Homer pick,
Speaker 2: I'll go with Jazz from the side.
Speaker 1: Got the flavor to it, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yes and so yes, and that is I guess we
Speaker 2: now just finally have to say who is going to
Speaker 2: win the World Series Ben.
Speaker 1: Rogers and seven roll Yankees and four. I will say
Speaker 1: Dodger love it, Dodgers in six. Okay, So there you
Speaker 1: have it. We have officially not changed our prediction, as
Speaker 1: we said Dodgers were going in any time. We did
Speaker 1: say they were going to be Cleveland in four and
Speaker 1: we were not far off that being actually the possibility still,
Speaker 1: so I think we did quite well on our predictions
Speaker 1: so far obviously. Yep, Ben Rob, thank you very much
Speaker 1: for time.
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