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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite guests.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys have come to really love his interviews. The

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<v Speaker 2>dashboard indicates as much. The great Josh Paton joins us

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<v Speaker 2>on a Wednesday afternoon. Josh, Happy Wednesday, Sir, how are.

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<v Speaker 3>You, greetings of my friend, How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm well, I'm well. Great to have you on as always,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your time. I know you're a busy guy, so

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<v Speaker 2>let's do a little local stuff that you know you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make a really fun trip coming up this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he essentially the biggest game maybe that we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>so far this year, with the exception of Bama Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>But Josh, I hate to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>You the same thing, but we're sitting here once again

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<v Speaker 2>with a game coming up on Friday night, and we do.

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<v Speaker 1>Not know who the quarterback is going to be for

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<v Speaker 1>the University of Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, over the past ninety minutes, the line went from

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<v Speaker 2>Utah favored by six and a half now to Utah

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<v Speaker 2>favored by four. Seems to indicate Isaac Wilson is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be under center. So we're going to operate off

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<v Speaker 2>that premise. If once again it's Isaac Wilson under center,

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<v Speaker 2>temp you Friday Night against ASU, What do you think

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<v Speaker 2>that looks like?

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<v Speaker 3>Expected? So sorry, I just put a new piece of

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<v Speaker 3>gum in there. I was trying to get all the

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<v Speaker 3>sweetness out of it. So I have adopted a mentality

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<v Speaker 3>with them, as I told you last time I spoke,

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<v Speaker 3>where I'll just be surprised and I will be pleasantly

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<v Speaker 3>surprised if Cam plays, and so I'm just gonna plan

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<v Speaker 3>on backup here. I'm going to be in backup mode.

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<v Speaker 3>I almost think at this point, also, if you're an

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<v Speaker 3>odds maker that you bake that in, I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 3>taking aback that we still see those line moves the

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<v Speaker 3>way we do. But who am I to tell people

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<v Speaker 3>how to bet their money? So I'm looking at my

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<v Speaker 3>numbers right now. I got Cam already baked in as

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<v Speaker 3>not playing, and I got Utah winning by five. So like,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that number is right. I think that they

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<v Speaker 3>will go in there and find a way to win.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not a team certainly that finds out they're starters

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<v Speaker 3>out and they're shaken by it. They're used to it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's their life. So I mean they're almost the most

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<v Speaker 3>battle tested team as it relates to quote unquote major

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<v Speaker 3>injury as there is in the country because they've all

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<v Speaker 3>lived it for multiple years.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, do you believe it's a competitive advantage to withhold

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<v Speaker 2>injury information from your opponent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know to what degree. I mean, there

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<v Speaker 3>are different schools of thought on that. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>I was at a game last week where I know

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<v Speaker 3>it happened. I mean candidly, I was at Texas A

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<v Speaker 3>and M on Friday, met with that staff. They knew

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<v Speaker 3>Connor Wegman was going They knew he was going to start,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was not publicized until Saturday, and Missouri's staff

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<v Speaker 3>was of the opinion that Marcel Reid was going to start.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are two very different preparations, by the way, and

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<v Speaker 3>it showed and I firmly believed that Missouri just prepared

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<v Speaker 3>as if Reid was going to start, and they were

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<v Speaker 3>convinced Wegman wasn't going to start. Not only did he start,

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<v Speaker 3>he threw the ball all over him all day. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a competitive advantage case by case. I just don't

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<v Speaker 3>know in Utah's case, if any staff's going to be

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<v Speaker 3>caught off guard by that particular situation because it's been

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<v Speaker 3>so frequent, So.

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<v Speaker 2>How commonplace because Utah is getting getting injury. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>injury information is like breaking into the Kremlin. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's like impossible, you know. They just don't discuss it

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<v Speaker 2>unless it's season ending. How commonplace is this policy across

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<v Speaker 2>the landscape of college football.

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<v Speaker 3>Josh, it is fairly common. I mean, I'm in the

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<v Speaker 3>South now, so I'm in sec country where what Kyle

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<v Speaker 3>Whittingham does is commonplace down here, and so much so

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<v Speaker 3>without naming names that, I will tell you a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of these staff have burner accounts on opposing message boards

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<v Speaker 3>and team sites, and they will intentionally float false injury

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<v Speaker 3>information and false depth chart information, which I love because

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<v Speaker 3>that is the kind of toxic thing that makes me

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<v Speaker 3>love the sport. So it does happen. I think that

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<v Speaker 3>college football in general wants to move away from that,

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<v Speaker 3>much as the NFL has, because that is, in the

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<v Speaker 3>gambling world, the only way that you insert kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a grain of sand into the micro shop. If you

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<v Speaker 3>have injury information that's being withheld, then you increase the

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<v Speaker 3>market likelihood that someone gets a hold of it and

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<v Speaker 3>does very bad in various things with it. And so

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<v Speaker 3>I think in time we'll alleviate this as a problem.

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<v Speaker 3>If you think it's a problem, if you don't care, whatever,

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<v Speaker 3>But we're still dealing with it right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe that we are high speed ahead to

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<v Speaker 2>uniformity with the policy of you have to report for

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<v Speaker 2>P four football?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I do. I think that's a matter of time.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know that some conferences or some programs within

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<v Speaker 3>conferences may be drug kicking and screaming there. But I

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<v Speaker 3>mean it's very clear to me that yes, we're headed there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I tend to agree, all right, Josh, big picture,

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<v Speaker 2>big twelve question, who's good?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's good? Who's good in this conference?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? So I think a few teams are good. No, great,

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<v Speaker 3>But I think a few teams are good. Now there

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<v Speaker 3>are two of them along with Utah. So let's talk

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<v Speaker 3>about three teams here. I think that we are looking

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<v Speaker 3>at your Kansas State and Iowa State and Utah's of

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<v Speaker 3>the world, all of which I've got rated in like

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<v Speaker 3>the thirteen to twenty range. What I wonder about those

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<v Speaker 3>teams is is there one of them that has a

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<v Speaker 3>ceiling above that? Like I mentioned Texas A and M

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<v Speaker 3>a second ago, that team's got top ten potential about it?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it just has that kind of talent roster. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not right now, at least we don't think, but it

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<v Speaker 3>could be that. I wonder if any of those teams

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<v Speaker 3>that I just mentioned in the Big twelve have that

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<v Speaker 3>kind of high end potential that remains to be seen.

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<v Speaker 3>But then behind them, I also wonder team like Brigham

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<v Speaker 3>Young total enigma to me, did not see this coming.

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<v Speaker 3>I wonder about you know, West Virginia, for example, got

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<v Speaker 3>a big game against Iowa State this Saturday. They could

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<v Speaker 3>really pop on the scene. Those are the teams. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think I'm leaving one out. Arizona, eh, kind of enigmatic.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the teams, the ones that I just mentioned

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<v Speaker 3>prior to that. And then Colorado of course the ultimate

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<v Speaker 3>unknown there that game with Kansas State. I'm looking really

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<v Speaker 3>forward to watching I think an eight to fifteen local

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<v Speaker 3>time kickoff there Saturday night. So I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 3>any great I think we still have four or five,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe as many as six teams in a handful of teams,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm not riding off to win that conference.

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<v Speaker 1>So one more question.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to go back to the youths for a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's a debate going on in the market this week,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's based off a conversation I had with somebody

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<v Speaker 2>up there over the weekend who listened to the SEW

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday and called to just kind of talk talk

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<v Speaker 2>me through.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the camp stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And this, by no means is a report, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's going to happen moving forward.

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<v Speaker 1>There seems to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Some momentum in the direction of just rolling with Isaac,

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<v Speaker 2>just giving him the job, because week in and week

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<v Speaker 2>out they're splitting reps with the ones, and according to

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<v Speaker 2>what we understand, Isaac finds out pretty close to the

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<v Speaker 2>game that it's going to be him. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>seven interceptions for young Isaac Wilson. No other top twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five team as a QB with more than five, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's been fun to watch him grow.

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<v Speaker 1>But there have been a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of mistakes, which is what happens when you have

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<v Speaker 2>an eighteen year old quarterback. At what point, Josh, in

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<v Speaker 2>your opinion, do you kind of just look at maybe

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<v Speaker 2>we should just roll with the freshman so he knows

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to get the job, or whenever Cam's ready,

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<v Speaker 2>he's backed on her center.

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<v Speaker 1>Period.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's tough man I get what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I probably agree. I'd probably sit here on a couch

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<v Speaker 3>in Nashville and without any emotional tie to the situation,

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<v Speaker 3>say I do that today, I do it yesterday. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I am not splitting reps with the ones in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of the season. I am rolling with a guy,

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<v Speaker 3>and I mean, if Cam gets healthy, then okay, we

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<v Speaker 3>can have that discussion. But I'm not doing this thing

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<v Speaker 3>every week because it doesn't put my team in the

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<v Speaker 3>best position to win, at least I don't think it

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<v Speaker 3>does now. The difference is I don't have any loyalty

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<v Speaker 3>baked in there. I don't have any emotional attachment, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't ultimately have to look those players in the eye.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's a whole lot easier for me to say it.

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<v Speaker 3>That doesn't change that it may or may not be

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<v Speaker 3>the right or wrong decision. It just changes how easy

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<v Speaker 3>it is for me to say it, as opposed to

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<v Speaker 3>Kyle Winningham actually happily having to implement that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, you reference Brigham Young.

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<v Speaker 2>They welcome in Arizona, Fox Big newon Kickoff will be there,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't know if you are old enough to

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<v Speaker 2>remember Urban Meyer. I'm older than you, but Urban Meyer

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<v Speaker 2>coaching Utah. He just loved to needle BYU and he'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back down there as a media member, which will.

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<v Speaker 1>Be interesting to see how he's received.

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<v Speaker 2>As you reference, they're clean, they're five and oh two

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<v Speaker 2>and zero conference. Arizona rolled in a salt lake, can

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<v Speaker 2>smoke the Youthes. Then lost to Texas Tech. Maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Texas Tech is good. I don't know anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>BYU a slight favorite at home.

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<v Speaker 2>They're getting four and a half. So what do you

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think happens? Is BYU welcomes in Arizona

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<v Speaker 2>coming up on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>I got him winning by three. I am telling you,

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<v Speaker 3>pound for pound, there may not be a more unpredictable

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<v Speaker 3>game in the country. An Arizona Bringham Young Saturday. I

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<v Speaker 3>have less than zero confidence on that game. I sit

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<v Speaker 3>there and watch Arizona do what they did to Utah

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<v Speaker 3>and think to myself, Okay, I mean I saw them

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<v Speaker 3>get smashed by Kansas State a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 3>Now they've righted the ship, they've rectified things, and then

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<v Speaker 3>Texas Tech happens. And that's just basically that sentence right

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<v Speaker 3>there is classic Big twelve. That is the Big twelve

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<v Speaker 3>in a nutshell, and so Brigham Young. Conversely, I watched

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<v Speaker 3>them beat Kansas State and it was so weird because

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<v Speaker 3>they beat them, I think thirty eight to nine and

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<v Speaker 3>got out gained by over one hundred yards. And you

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<v Speaker 3>tell yourself, boy, that can't continue. And then they go

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<v Speaker 3>to Baylor and Baylor looks like they're mailing the game

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<v Speaker 3>in Baylor almost comes back on them, and it's there's

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<v Speaker 3>just so many things I've watched with Brigham Young that

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<v Speaker 3>make you say, well, the next team will get them.

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<v Speaker 3>But the next team doesn't get them. And so if

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<v Speaker 3>I had to guess, I don't think this team gets

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<v Speaker 3>them either. I think they'll continue it roll in in.

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<v Speaker 3>Every single year there is a team that just defies

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<v Speaker 3>conventional or mathematical wisdom. Maybe that's Brigham Young this year.

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<v Speaker 3>And if it is good for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, sir, all right, you reference you're in Nashville, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my buddy Frank, who is the one a

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<v Speaker 2>last week. Help us understand, help me understand put that

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<v Speaker 1>Upsetting Alabama.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the biggest day in the history of the program.

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of the biggest upsets in the history of

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<v Speaker 3>this conference in the SEC, dating back to whenever you

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<v Speaker 3>want to date it back to. I mean, Solwane used

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<v Speaker 3>monumentally big upset. And what was crazy for me is

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<v Speaker 3>I mean I live I don't know, I'm about a

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<v Speaker 3>in my apartment, I could have walked over there. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>no one expects it to happen, so I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find the biggest game of the week to go to.

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<v Speaker 3>So I fly seven hundred miles to College Station. I

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<v Speaker 3>watched A and M blow out Missouri, and I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 3>there in Houston on a tarmac waiting to fly back

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<v Speaker 3>to Nashville as that upset goes final. So about the

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm driving over the bridge over the Cumberland River

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<v Speaker 3>right into downtown. They've got a crane crew that is

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<v Speaker 3>trying to use a like a pulley system to lift

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<v Speaker 3>the goalpost out of the river. That these people have

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<v Speaker 3>marched two miles to the river to dump it INIM

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<v Speaker 3>just an amazing, like surreal scene. You never thought you

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<v Speaker 3>would see it in a million years. I saw Tennessee

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<v Speaker 3>fans do it two years ago at kneland when they

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<v Speaker 3>beat Bama. But that's Tennessee and that's one hundred thousand people,

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<v Speaker 3>and the river's right next to the stadium. This is

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<v Speaker 3>an entirely different animal. So I don't think you can

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<v Speaker 3>overstate how huge it was. Now Vandy goes in place

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<v Speaker 3>Kentucky this week and they are about a two touchdown

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<v Speaker 3>underdog again, so who knows what happens, but at least

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<v Speaker 3>they had this week if nothing else for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, a couple of minutes left, let's look ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I heard you say on the pod that the Red

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<v Speaker 2>River Rivalry say that twenty times quick is your favorite

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<v Speaker 2>game in college football. Now I can't speak to it

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<v Speaker 2>because I've never experienced it.

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<v Speaker 1>But why is that, Josh, Why is that your favorite game?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so unbelievable. I used to think people overhype that

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<v Speaker 3>thing so much when I grew up in the South,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'd see him talk about the Red Rivers shootout

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<v Speaker 3>and look at the State Fair and it's fifty to

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<v Speaker 3>fifty split. And then I went three years ago for

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<v Speaker 3>the first time, just unbelievable. Everything I love about this

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<v Speaker 3>sport is on full display there. There are so many

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<v Speaker 3>elements that they have kept pristine, like first off, just

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<v Speaker 3>having it at the Cotton Bowl, which is a place

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<v Speaker 3>I think Roman gladiators used to fight. It's a million

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<v Speaker 3>years old, it's wonderful, it's decrepit, it's old, it's uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all metal bleachers, it's great. No luxury suites. That day,

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<v Speaker 3>I was standing next to someone on the sidelines watching

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<v Speaker 3>the game. I look over and it's Mark Cuban. So

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<v Speaker 3>you got a billionaire on the field. And the reason

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<v Speaker 3>it's called there are no luxury suites to my kind

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<v Speaker 3>of stadium. Also, so the way they split the crowd

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<v Speaker 3>the field, goal post to goal post. You draw a

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<v Speaker 3>line with the fifty yard line, and that's how they

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<v Speaker 3>split the stadium. So there's this weird dynamic where like

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<v Speaker 3>if a ball goes up in the air, like it's

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<v Speaker 3>a long path, you have one side that's full throat

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<v Speaker 3>because they're on defense, and then everyone goes quiet, and

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<v Speaker 3>then sometimes the other side explodes because their team just

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<v Speaker 3>caught the ball. Is so weird you almost get like PTSD,

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<v Speaker 3>but in a good way from it, because that sound

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<v Speaker 3>is so unique to that stadium. Also, if your credentialed media,

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<v Speaker 3>actually none of the other ones do this, but I

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<v Speaker 3>do it. There's a ramp. It's kind of like Michigan

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<v Speaker 3>Stadium if you've ever been there, there's just one tunnel,

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<v Speaker 3>one ramp that goes right down into the stadium onto

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<v Speaker 3>the playing surface. When they hit halftime, you can run

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<v Speaker 3>up that ramp, walk right out of the stadium, go

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<v Speaker 3>out to the state fair, get fair food, coin, dog,

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<v Speaker 3>funnel cake, whatever. I mean. It takes five to ten minutes,

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<v Speaker 3>play a couple of carnival games. I did last year,

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<v Speaker 3>won a little stuff chicken by the way, and then

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<v Speaker 3>you can run right back down the tunnel and be

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<v Speaker 3>right back on the field in the third quarter. These

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<v Speaker 3>are things you cannot do anywhere else. So I absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>love that place.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that sounds like a damn good time. Can Oklahoma?

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<v Speaker 2>Can the Sooners keep it close? It seems like everybody

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<v Speaker 2>it's obvious that Texas is awesome, but this is a

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<v Speaker 2>game we have one similar here with BYU that ultimately,

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<v Speaker 2>even when there's a big talent discrepancy, the rivalry nature

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<v Speaker 2>of the thing makes it weird. Can Oklahoma make this interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>Josh, that's got to be what happens. I mean, there's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing on paper that suggests it'll be close. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>find a single matchup and I looked because I had

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<v Speaker 3>to break the game down last night, but we don't

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<v Speaker 3>play football games on paper, and Britain venables with a

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<v Speaker 3>week to prepare. I think Steve Sarkisian said it best

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<v Speaker 3>earlier this week. He said, we got to be prepared

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<v Speaker 3>for the stuff they haven't put on tape. And you

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<v Speaker 3>know what, if that ends up forcing you into three

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<v Speaker 3>turnovers and Oklahoma's plus three turnovers on the day, then

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<v Speaker 3>it's a dogfight. They may end up winning game. I

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<v Speaker 3>just don't know. Absent some non offensive points being scored

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<v Speaker 3>or big time turnover differential advantage towards Oklahoma, I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>sure how they win that game. They are a very

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<v Speaker 3>poor matchup for Texas, but I'll watch it because I

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<v Speaker 3>know what the sport.

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<v Speaker 1>Can do every year.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is me coming from Salt Lake City radio

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<v Speaker 2>host perspective. It just I don't remember the last time

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<v Speaker 2>USC entirely lived up to the hype that's bestowed upon them.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're better and improved, but they welcome in

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<v Speaker 2>Penn State to the coliseum and the Ninny Lyons are

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<v Speaker 2>getting four and a half?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think happens with that game?

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<v Speaker 3>All right? This is the one I'm most conflicted on.

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<v Speaker 3>So my numbers love USC. They think USC wins outright

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<v Speaker 3>like ridiculous, almost to the point where it looks flawed.

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<v Speaker 3>But my model has nailed USC every single game this year.

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<v Speaker 3>It thought that beat LSU, it thought they would lose

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<v Speaker 3>to Michigan. It had it's ahead every USC game now,

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not ignoring this. I'm sitting here looking at

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<v Speaker 3>the matchup. I think it heavily leans Penn State. And

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<v Speaker 3>yet I also know what travel has done to teams

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<v Speaker 3>in the Big Ten so far this year, and I

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<v Speaker 3>know what you know, Lincoln Riley and a team being

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<v Speaker 3>embarrassed then going back home with their back against the wall,

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<v Speaker 3>could mean there are some vulnerable spots, specifically at corner

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<v Speaker 3>for Penn State. Now, the downside is Penn State gets

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<v Speaker 3>to the quarterback faster than any pass rush in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>This year they are number one in the country, So

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<v Speaker 3>you have got to be able to get the ball

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<v Speaker 3>out fast or that us. The offensive line is just

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<v Speaker 3>got to step up like they haven't all year to

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of degree. I'm so conflicted. I picked Penn

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<v Speaker 3>State to win. I picked the USC to cover, which

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of a cop out, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a classic head versus computer game. For me, I

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<v Speaker 3>am very interested because one way or another, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a huge sledgehammerge of the face for one of those

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<v Speaker 3>head coaches, because both of them need it really, really bad.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, Final one and you will be there, heard

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<v Speaker 2>on the pod, You're going to be up at Autson.

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<v Speaker 2>I've experienced the Aughtson experience. It is amazing. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>there before as well. I think Ohio State certainly is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the teams that most people believe is top shelf.

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<v Speaker 2>They maybe have not been tested, and you know they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going.

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<v Speaker 1>To be afraid of that moment or that place.

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<v Speaker 2>They play in stadiums that are bigger and maybe equally

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<v Speaker 2>as loud, and you know, Oregon has been a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit up and down, but they both have stayed clean.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be a fun one. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be there. How do you think it plays out?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm very curious about Ohio State's offensive line. I

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<v Speaker 3>know everyone in the Buckeye camp is convinced that they've

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<v Speaker 3>upgraded there. Maybe they have, but there was a ways

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<v Speaker 3>to go from what they had been. Now that's relatively speaking,

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<v Speaker 3>because this is considered one of the best teams in

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<v Speaker 3>the country. The way that Landing recruits, the way they develop,

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<v Speaker 3>specifically on their defensive front. They are deeper, they're more athletic,

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<v Speaker 3>and they're more multiple than anything that's been thrown at

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<v Speaker 3>Ohio State so far this year. Now, I can say

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<v Speaker 3>the same thing on the other side of that matchup,

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<v Speaker 3>and I acknowledge that, But I do think that there

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<v Speaker 3>find some way early season to win that thing. At

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<v Speaker 3>home field and travel I think plays a big part

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<v Speaker 1>Well, my friend have a safe trip up there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great atmosphere should be a great game, and

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Josh, Yes, sir, appreciate it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Josh Pate The College Josh Pat's College Football Show is

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<v Speaker 2>one of the best college football podcasts out there. I

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<v Speaker 2>like to think we introduced Josh to the market. Get

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<v Speaker 2>him on Twitter at Josh Pate CFB. It releases two

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<v Speaker 2>or three a week, does a great segment on some

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<v Speaker 2>of the picks, and then talks all things college football,

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<v Speaker 2>Big Picture, Big twelve. So definitely check him out, give

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<v Speaker 2>him I follow