Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of the Typical
Speaker 1: Skeptic Podcast. I have another fascinating guest with me today.
Speaker 1: And the person I have with me it has been
Speaker 1: a major.
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Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome back to the Typical Skeptic podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: happy to have everybody here. I have another fascinating guest
Speaker 1: with me today. Who I have with me is someone
Speaker 1: who's been a big responsible He's been responsible for a
Speaker 1: big part of my awakening and my learning process in
Speaker 1: ancient history.
Speaker 3: And who I have with me is Mount Lacroix.
Speaker 1: I considered him one of the hot one of the
Speaker 1: most highly looked up to researchers today as far as
Speaker 1: like ancient past and esoteric truths.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I believe Matt is one of the biggest influencers as
Speaker 1: far as our ancient past and what really happened. Ever
Speaker 1: since his videos like the en and Hockey series he
Speaker 1: did with Gerald Clarke up until now where he's working
Speaker 1: with a huge company like Gaya, appearing on shows like
Speaker 1: Ancient Civilizations. He's the author of two amazing books called
Speaker 1: The Illusion of Us in the Stage of Time, and
Speaker 1: I said, he's been a major factor in my awakening
Speaker 1: when I first saw his eg on The Serpent Battle
Speaker 1: you and that changed everything around for me as far
Speaker 1: as the way I looked at things. And I want
Speaker 1: to welcome Matt Croi and Matt thank you for coming
Speaker 1: on my show.
Speaker 2: How are you, hey, Rob, It's great to be here.
Speaker 2: You and I have been conversing through messages and emails
Speaker 2: for a long long time, and I'm I'm really happy
Speaker 2: to see that you got your own channel started. I
Speaker 2: actually remember back in the very beginning when you had
Speaker 2: told me that you were going to start your own
Speaker 2: YouTube channel and your own podcast, and so I think
Speaker 2: that's great that you you you were motivated enough and
Speaker 2: driven enough to want to go out and do that
Speaker 2: and to put the effort in. And now you're blossoming
Speaker 2: into doing lots of different guests and a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I know you've had some really cool guests on and
Speaker 2: so I commend you for that. And I think it's
Speaker 2: a great lesson for a lot of other people that
Speaker 2: are listening to this that if they're driven and passionate enough,
Speaker 2: you know, go start your own channel and go you know,
Speaker 2: teach others and the more the more that we can
Speaker 2: get this message out about, you know, the potential of
Speaker 2: who we really are and the divine nature of our
Speaker 2: consciousness and what our oranges origins are and what are
Speaker 2: hidden history from where we came from, and all of
Speaker 2: the things that as many many know, are a big
Speaker 2: part of us redefining our existence here in our definition
Speaker 2: of who we are. So I love that, Rob, I
Speaker 2: think that's great and I'm really glad.
Speaker 3: To be here.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that you also said, it wasn't just
Speaker 1: your videos that caught my attention. It was like when
Speaker 1: we would converse through email, you said, never underestimate how
Speaker 1: much of a creator you are. And then you followed
Speaker 1: that up with when you went on Paul Wallace's show,
Speaker 1: you talked about that we're creator gods. And it made
Speaker 1: me think that, you know, I think we're here instead
Speaker 1: of like this nine to five that we're here for
Speaker 1: like to be creators of art music podcasts like Etsy stores,
Speaker 1: you know, like, did you ever think your words would
Speaker 1: reach out many people? And like, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that statement?
Speaker 2: Well, thank you. I appreciate that that impacted you and
Speaker 2: that meant something to you. Yeah, I really think that
Speaker 2: we very much live in an illusion of reality. That's
Speaker 2: why the first book was called the Illusion of Us.
Speaker 2: This isn't a reality that's been created, probably really defined
Speaker 2: itself during the transition of the Roman Empire into the
Speaker 2: Holy Roman Empire in the Byzantine Empire, when they started
Speaker 2: basically redefining and redesigning our idea of where we come
Speaker 2: from by establishing a narrative of history and then going
Speaker 2: forward everything that came after with deciding how reality should
Speaker 2: go now. I don't necessarily blame kingship being lowered in
Speaker 2: Mesopotamia to being defining this false reality we live in
Speaker 2: now because a lot of those moral codes and laws,
Speaker 2: like the famous Stela known as the Code of Hammurabi,
Speaker 2: when it was this handed down set of laws and
Speaker 2: rules from which society could flourish. That really is the
Speaker 2: basis for where the Ten the Commandments out of that
Speaker 2: kind of dark figure Moses, which you can check out
Speaker 2: other shows I've done talking about that figure who was
Speaker 2: a horrible, horrible person, but that some of those laws,
Speaker 2: those rules that came out of that originated much earlier
Speaker 2: in the ancient Babylonian and Sumerian civilizations as being looking
Speaker 2: at the moral laws and rules and the ethics for
Speaker 2: how we can be just, we can be great people
Speaker 2: and great to each other, and how we can look
Speaker 2: at ourselves as something that's not that that's not animals
Speaker 2: and killing each other and going after each other, but
Speaker 2: being co creators of reality. And that's where, like you
Speaker 2: just mentioned, really ties into the fact that we truly
Speaker 2: are far more important and sophisticated and a heightened sense
Speaker 2: of responsibility for our our place in this reality than
Speaker 2: people realize. You know, when you your thought processes come
Speaker 2: up and we just maybe act on them and we
Speaker 2: don't think about how our thoughts really impact reality and
Speaker 2: how we really are creators here. And the future I
Speaker 2: think is very bright because more and more people all
Speaker 2: the time are getting off of mainstream when they're starting
Speaker 2: to learn all about how important and powerful they are.
Speaker 2: The people are starting to meditate, they're starting to you know,
Speaker 2: read all these incredible things that are changing their mindsets,
Speaker 2: and slowly but surely we are going into a new
Speaker 2: paradigm of reality. And I think that that's an exciting
Speaker 2: place to be.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was encoded us from the beginning,
Speaker 1: from the in and okey that we would have these
Speaker 1: like amazing like we could have amazing like SI experiences
Speaker 1: and out of body experiences and near death experiences, and
Speaker 1: like do you think that has to do with the
Speaker 1: way the soul operates and stuff like and was that
Speaker 1: in our.
Speaker 3: DNA blueprint from the Anuna maybe? Yeah.
Speaker 2: One of the things that's echoed in a lot of
Speaker 2: Cuneiform tablets when they discuss everything from Adapa to looking
Speaker 2: at this Untana pishtam atrejesis figure that we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about these perfect beings. It discusses the idea and
Speaker 2: especially I think the best place that really really gets
Speaker 2: into that probably of anything is you actually have to
Speaker 2: get into the Gnostic Knakamadi, the Secret Book of John
Speaker 2: and looking into the discussions of the Arkans and how
Speaker 2: our reality here because we really are non physical beings
Speaker 2: as in our soul and our consciousness resides in a
Speaker 2: non physical place, but we basically incarnate into this body,
Speaker 2: this body temple that most people have forgotten that we
Speaker 2: need to treat it that way because if we do,
Speaker 2: it allows us to connect to these incredibly higher places
Speaker 2: that take us on a journey that is really largely
Speaker 2: called the hero's journey and the hero's journey can come
Speaker 2: in many, many, many different forms. But one of the
Speaker 2: things that's truly the most important thing that comes out
Speaker 2: of the Book of John as well as these can
Speaker 2: uniform tablets, is the idea that because we live in
Speaker 2: a physical world, this physical reality that's around us, which
Speaker 2: is called the physical plane of reality, that actually has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the physical plane of existence, but
Speaker 2: the non physical nature of how our reality are layers
Speaker 2: of different dimensional awarenesses that manifest themselves in these different planes,
Speaker 2: meaning these these higher and lower dimensional experiences that we
Speaker 2: can have, that we can raise ourselves up to reach
Speaker 2: these heightened states of reality. And because of that though,
Speaker 2: it's very easy to lose ourselves here. It's especially with
Speaker 2: a lot of the things that are bombarding us in
Speaker 2: television and in the media and in even just being
Speaker 2: raised through generations of If you have parents that don't
Speaker 2: have any interest in any of this, you know they're
Speaker 2: going to encode this idea of how reality should be
Speaker 2: through you. As well as going to school, which is
Speaker 2: the ultimate in doctrination. Right now, I think the whole
Speaker 2: entire education system is extremely flawed and it really brings
Speaker 2: people out of that state of wonder and imagination and
Speaker 2: discovering the gifts of who they really are, and really
Speaker 2: tries to put them in as almost like a cog
Speaker 2: in a conformity machine, to see if they could just well,
Speaker 2: you do this job, and you do this job just
Speaker 2: based on where you go. But the whole concept there
Speaker 2: that needs to be understood, that it really has been
Speaker 2: largely lost, is that we have this responsibility here and
Speaker 2: everyone is on a different path though, But to discover
Speaker 2: the true nature of who we are, the true nature
Speaker 2: of the role we play, the roles we play in
Speaker 2: this reality. And the hardest part of that entire thing,
Speaker 2: that illusion that the Gnostics talk about, this great illusion
Speaker 2: that's been created here and a lot of people. If
Speaker 2: you ever look up the Nagammody and the Gnostic illusion
Speaker 2: of reality, you're going to see a person stepping into
Speaker 2: this colorful reality, half of him is still in this
Speaker 2: other reality. And that's what they essentially talked about, is
Speaker 2: they knew that because of laws and rules and constructs,
Speaker 2: it's easy for us to lose ourselves and not realize
Speaker 2: that we're multi dimensional beings and creators, but to just
Speaker 2: think that we're just a mundane being in a physical reality,
Speaker 2: and that's where the great trick has been played to
Speaker 2: basically strip us of our power of being creators and
Speaker 2: have others create for us. I think that's really the
Speaker 2: lesson that should be learned there. And right behind me
Speaker 2: you mentioned is it within us to be able to
Speaker 2: have that inherent ability to break out? This banner behind
Speaker 2: me is the Chakras, the seven Chakras within us. Now
Speaker 2: that is the ultimate proof that there's something else going
Speaker 2: on than pure evolution. Because if you had a being
Speaker 2: that was naturally evolving, why would it have the system
Speaker 2: within its spinal neural network energetic network of its body
Speaker 2: that is entuned exactly with the vibrational frequency of the
Speaker 2: seven colors of the visible light spectrum. It's Almo. The
Speaker 2: only way you could possibly explain that is, let's say
Speaker 2: you came here from somewhere else and you saw that
Speaker 2: the physical reality here he's made up of these constructs,
Speaker 2: and you knew how reality was designed, so you design
Speaker 2: us to basically mimic that. But the idea is that
Speaker 2: we can be stuck in these lower states and never
Speaker 2: ascend if we don't have a certain means to do that.
Speaker 2: So it really is our own choice what kind of
Speaker 2: a journey we're going to go on. But the blueprint
Speaker 2: and the path is there within us. It's already been
Speaker 2: designed within us. And the whole purpose of that is
Speaker 2: these ancient Sumerian creator gods, like especially Enki also known
Speaker 2: as Eya, they designed that so that we will have
Speaker 2: we can have this ability to break out, because it
Speaker 2: was always known that it would be like being in
Speaker 2: a prison world if we had no way to get
Speaker 2: out of it. And that's that's essentially the escape out
Speaker 2: of it, to reach higher states of consciousness, because then
Speaker 2: you have an awareness of things you never had all
Speaker 2: around you, and all of a sudden everything makes a
Speaker 2: lot more sense and you start seeing the universe and
Speaker 2: the world and our reality a completely different light.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned the myth of a Dappa. It
Speaker 1: says in there specifically. I remember you saying that that
Speaker 1: he was the wisest of the innachy. How would he
Speaker 1: be the wisest of the Innay, he's a main being, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like it's like they would have to.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they made us better than them, right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's and that's the most beautiful thing. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the classic story. Right. Let's just imagine you were
Speaker 2: to create and let's use the example that we have today.
Speaker 2: Let's say say you were going to create an ai,
Speaker 2: an artificial tech, artificial being. Now that's not a perfect
Speaker 2: way to describe it, because that wouldn't necessarily follow the
Speaker 2: same rules and the same morals and the things that
Speaker 2: we have. But just as an example, let's say you
Speaker 2: were to create that, and that being would end up
Speaker 2: going on to become or have the potential to be
Speaker 2: greater than your creator, your creator. That's the ultimate thing
Speaker 2: that would be would be scary to a creator, is
Speaker 2: that something that they created could become more powerful than
Speaker 2: they are. And that's what gets very interesting in these
Speaker 2: ancient Mesopotamian stories and in other stories around the world
Speaker 2: that echoes something similar. Is that is that we have
Speaker 2: this inherent nature within us and this is what Adappa was.
Speaker 2: And I highly encourage people to read that because it
Speaker 2: specifically states, just like you mentioned, that he was the
Speaker 2: greatest among the Onanaki. So just tells us right there
Speaker 2: that rather than us seeing ourselves as separate here, we
Speaker 2: really are these beings that are nothing like anything else
Speaker 2: on the planet. You know, we maybe have a core
Speaker 2: of us that resembles like some kind of a Neanderthal
Speaker 2: or what some of these more primitive of type of mammals.
Speaker 2: But what our true nature is and who we really
Speaker 2: are is something that is definitely not just a random
Speaker 2: thing that came out of nowhere. We are created in
Speaker 2: perfection and that's what Adapa is discussed. It's discussed in
Speaker 2: the in the Myth of Adapa tablet where he is
Speaker 2: it's talked about that he's the greatest among even his creators.
Speaker 2: And because of that, great jealousy arises over the fact
Speaker 2: that this creation could become out of control and could
Speaker 2: could rule over over its creators. And it's decided and
Speaker 2: where we can get into it to destroy what's called
Speaker 2: the seed of mankind and have everything completely start over again.
Speaker 2: And that's something we can get into. But people should
Speaker 2: read those tablets, and I just want to mention in
Speaker 2: terms of saying that people should read them. We Billy
Speaker 2: Carson and I are releasing a major, major project in
Speaker 2: next month in November. That has been two year projects,
Speaker 2: biggest project I've ever taken on that I really think
Speaker 2: is the most important in the best work I've done
Speaker 2: that includes even more ancient text than the Stage of
Speaker 2: Time does, and it walks you through The book is
Speaker 2: called the Epic of Humanity, and it walks you through
Speaker 2: our story, but not only in a way where it
Speaker 2: just tells I present just I present evidence and talk
Speaker 2: about it, but I have every section where it goes
Speaker 2: into that, I'll have the best and most important, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, piece of these ancient texts, like the Myth
Speaker 2: of a Dappa that we'll talk specifically about who we
Speaker 2: really are and where we've come from and the strives
Speaker 2: and the struggles we've gone through these sections in there.
Speaker 2: So it's almost going to be like a reference guide
Speaker 2: where someone can go back through and be like, well,
Speaker 2: I want to go look up where where that is
Speaker 2: because I want to read it and I don't know
Speaker 2: where to find it. If they're all going to be
Speaker 2: present in here like this, like an ancient history reference
Speaker 2: guide of the most important text and information that has
Speaker 2: woven into telling us who we are and explaining who
Speaker 2: we are, and so those are going to be available
Speaker 2: in a way where I think people will be like
Speaker 2: a comprehensive guide that can help guide them to understanding
Speaker 2: who we are in reaching higher states.
Speaker 3: I can't wait for it.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be amazing, and I think
Speaker 1: it's great that you're trying to preserve history as compared
Speaker 1: to I know you've talked about on other shows what's
Speaker 1: happening in Aradu, which is just like a complete.
Speaker 2: Shame, right, Yeah, it's and there's a number of other
Speaker 2: sites around the world that are following something similar in Aradu,
Speaker 2: of course, I've talked about many many times, like a
Speaker 2: lot of other ancient cities that are not even being excavated,
Speaker 2: such as shrew Pak, which we can talk about as well,
Speaker 2: which was just started to be excavated and was another
Speaker 2: project that was abandoned. But Aradu is always mentioned in
Speaker 2: all these tablets as being the first city ever created
Speaker 2: here by the lowering of kingship of these Anuna. Now
Speaker 2: I want to add something to this that it's brand
Speaker 2: new that I think a lot of people would be
Speaker 2: really interested in that I don't even know if you're
Speaker 2: aware of yet. I've been doing a lot of deep
Speaker 2: research into a completely brand new place that I think
Speaker 2: most people have probably never heard of. It's called Girafft.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Giraft is a city in southeast Iran Okay Ancient Persia.
Speaker 2: Now Iran has a lot of incredible ancient history sites
Speaker 2: Nashi Rostam and Persepolists and all these places has this
Speaker 2: ancient history that connects back to the Innuna that has
Speaker 2: the same cuneiform writing. And what you find is that
Speaker 2: they were two civilizations that were coexisting with the ancient Sumerians,
Speaker 2: the Babylonians and these Assyrians at the same time. Now
Speaker 2: here's where it gets really fascinating for those who love
Speaker 2: to go deep on these tablets. There's a tablet called
Speaker 2: n macar in the Lord of Arata, and there's a
Speaker 2: couple others as well, but that specific tablet talks all
Speaker 2: about this land of Errata Okay Arata was a place
Speaker 2: where it was coexisting during the time of sumer and
Speaker 2: that's a r a Tta and that place was never found.
Speaker 2: It was considered a myth by a lot of researchers
Speaker 2: and archaeologists, but it was talked about in so many
Speaker 2: tablets that it had to have been a real place,
Speaker 2: and it was discussed how it was being It was
Speaker 2: being ruled over by another Anuna goddess known as who
Speaker 2: became known as Ishtar. Now that that civilization is now
Speaker 2: being called Geiroft j I r o Ft, but that's
Speaker 2: not what it was originally called. Now the archaeologists have
Speaker 2: just discovered relative in relative terms, have just discovered this site.
Speaker 2: It was discovered in sometime a little b after the
Speaker 2: two thousands, two thousand two, two thousand and three, two
Speaker 2: thousand and four, and it was only discovered because and
Speaker 2: it wasn't because any archaeologist went looking forward to anything.
Speaker 2: Local people found the site and they started looting it,
Speaker 2: and an enormous amount of artifacts went on the black
Speaker 2: market out of nowhere. I mean, we're talking about one
Speaker 2: of the largest illegal sets of black market pillaging that's
Speaker 2: ever happened in a modern history. And what there was
Speaker 2: so many that were put in the black market that
Speaker 2: archaeologists in the Iranian government started to wonder where they
Speaker 2: were all coming from, and they traced it back to
Speaker 2: this area called Jiroft, and they finally went in they
Speaker 2: started excavating it, and they found a gigantic zigarot. And
Speaker 2: if just like we were mentioned Airdu, the main temple,
Speaker 2: there was a giant zigarot okay Non, there's a temple
Speaker 2: of Absu that was Enke's primary temple archaeologists we're uncovering Geiroft.
Speaker 2: They believe this may be the largest cigarette ever created
Speaker 2: in the world. Okay, this isn't a simple little location.
Speaker 2: This may be one of the great new discoveries that
Speaker 2: will come out of our time to uncover in this area.
Speaker 2: So essentially what it comes down to is this, and
Speaker 2: this isn't just me saying this. Many many archaeologists, especially
Speaker 2: ones that are not funded by outside areas, like some
Speaker 2: of the interior Iranian archaeologists, are saying that they firmly believe,
Speaker 2: based on the sophistication of the site, the description of
Speaker 2: it that's given in tablets, and it's proximity to Iraq,
Speaker 2: that this is the famous land of Arata that was
Speaker 2: talked about as being the largest civilization ever in the
Speaker 2: world that was existing at the same time as the Sumerians.
Speaker 2: And so that's what's just coming out now that's being
Speaker 2: discovered in some of the artwork, some of these incredible
Speaker 2: designs that they're finding in pottery, but also in blocks.
Speaker 2: They're finding q and atiform tablets as well as incredible
Speaker 2: pottery and other designs that have been left over from
Speaker 2: ancient ancient times. But it's got the level of sophistication
Speaker 2: is that of sumer this and so this is an
Speaker 2: incredible new discovery and I can't I can't wait to
Speaker 2: continue to look more and more into and learn more
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: You know what I was thinking, was Ishtar also Innana
Speaker 1: because remember you talked about when you went on Paul
Speaker 1: Show about the Ink and the World Order tablet where
Speaker 1: it connects Anana to the Indus Valley.
Speaker 3: Yes, Ishtar was also a Nana.
Speaker 1: That area is kind of close to the Indus Valley, right,
Speaker 1: like that Persia type area. It's not in the same vicinity,
Speaker 1: but it's close. I could see her rolling over that kind.
Speaker 3: Of area, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most people. I only mentioned Ishtar because most people
Speaker 2: are more familiar with that term. But her original name
Speaker 2: was Anana. And we have to keep in mind that
Speaker 2: many of these gods and goddesses in Innuna had multiple
Speaker 2: different names depending on the civilization that they were in. So, yes,
Speaker 2: that giofft was and it's described in the text that
Speaker 2: gioff was in this inn Makar. In the Lord of Rata,
Speaker 2: it's discussed that that giraffe was this. It wasn't called
Speaker 2: Gioffe was a Radov course, but the location today's giraffe
Speaker 2: was this the primary city of Anana that she was
Speaker 2: ruling over. And what happened in the tablets is they
Speaker 2: discuss how she, as a patron goddess of the city,
Speaker 2: decided to leave and rule somewhere else and when they
Speaker 2: and she came actually over to near er and Iraq
Speaker 2: and Erdu, and she ended up ruling in that part
Speaker 2: of the region. And when she did that, she no
Speaker 2: longer was the patron goddess that was protecting that city,
Speaker 2: and they actually went to war and they went they
Speaker 2: they actually had a conflict against one another because of that.
Speaker 2: But this is what's so amazing that I want people
Speaker 2: to connect to this. This is the telltale piece. In
Speaker 2: this Sumerian king list. You can find N Mercar in
Speaker 2: that list of kings that was ruling in that region,
Speaker 2: and N Makar was connected as the lord of Errata
Speaker 2: to this region. So there was this crossover of some
Speaker 2: of these kings that at one time sumer and Arata
Speaker 2: were coexisting as dual empires in that region. And so
Speaker 2: what we're finding is that that means that one of
Speaker 2: those one of those kings was ruling for thousands of years,
Speaker 2: meaning that it's from this ancient time before we had
Speaker 2: the younger lifespans that we have now that these kings
Speaker 2: had ancient bloodlines connected to the Innuna and we find
Speaker 2: that with this region. So we finally had the telltale
Speaker 2: piece to connect the other ancient land that basically Sumer
Speaker 2: was connected to Rata and it was connected to Muluja,
Speaker 2: which is the Indus Valley civilizations. So we now have
Speaker 2: all the pieces in place to connect ancient Sumer ancient
Speaker 2: Egypt known as Kem. So we have the Sumerians, we
Speaker 2: have the ancient Khem, we have the ancient Persian area
Speaker 2: which was the lord of which was the land of Errata,
Speaker 2: and then we have Maluha, which is the area of India.
Speaker 2: And what do we find today Some of the oldest
Speaker 2: and most ancient civilization structures from India all the way
Speaker 2: over to that area. And that just shows us that
Speaker 2: none of that was a myth. It's all really part
Speaker 2: of our past.
Speaker 1: That's so amazing that I love how it all ties
Speaker 1: in together. Now, you wanted to talk about mego lithic
Speaker 1: structures a little bit. I'm not real I'll try to
Speaker 1: follow you on that, but like, yeah, I'd love to
Speaker 1: get into it though, because I'm really interested.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh so, one of the areas that I talk about
Speaker 2: a lot in the book and I'm also doing a
Speaker 2: lot of research in right now, is to prove that
Speaker 2: this last aspect of our history existed. We have to
Speaker 2: look at the sophistication of what was left behind. That's
Speaker 2: the telltale sign. And I want people to be really
Speaker 2: careful that just because something looks like something, it may
Speaker 2: not be that. For instance, be careful with some of
Speaker 2: these natural structures around the world that we just ought
Speaker 2: to throw the term megalith that if those areas geologically
Speaker 2: and climatologically had ice caps during the Last ice Age
Speaker 2: during the Pleistocene, if they had a deep ice you
Speaker 2: can have a civilization that lived there. We have to
Speaker 2: be careful about where we're throwing these terms megalists and
Speaker 2: these ancient civilizations around the world and really look at
Speaker 2: the difference of what they left behind.
Speaker 3: But the telltales a real megalith, right what now?
Speaker 1: Back?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, of course Ballback Levinon is the second largest
Speaker 2: megalist in the world that come out of that and
Speaker 2: that region was part of this cross connection between the
Speaker 2: ancient Sumerians and the ancient Athenians and Atlanteans. They were
Speaker 2: all existing during similar time periods of history, and that
Speaker 2: the ancient Athenians or the Proto Athenians are one of
Speaker 2: the new kids in the block, you can call it.
Speaker 2: In terms of our area of people don't talk about them.
Speaker 2: Everybody talks about the Atlanteans. But if people go and
Speaker 2: actually read the Timinius and Critias, it has an entire
Speaker 2: discussion in there from sol On and the ancient Egyptians
Speaker 2: that there was a proto Greek culture that created everything
Speaker 2: before the classical Greeks did, that was ruling the Mediterranean,
Speaker 2: and they were connected all the way over to ballbeck
Speaker 2: Lebanon now ballbeck Lebanon. Think of it. If you have
Speaker 2: the Atlantean civilization, and then you have the ancient Athenians,
Speaker 2: and you have the Mediterranean crossing into ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia,
Speaker 2: the area that they would go through would naturally be
Speaker 2: the area of ballbeck Lebanon. Now another one we can
Speaker 2: add to it that most people probably don't even know
Speaker 2: about is in Israel. In the western part of the
Speaker 2: way of the western part of the main Wall, there
Speaker 2: there's some gigantic blocks that over one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: tons that are woven into the structures there. That is
Speaker 2: another piece of saying, well, look, there was a truly
Speaker 2: ancient civilization that existed there far before the time that
Speaker 2: we think of as the later Hebrews and the and
Speaker 2: the groups that were there, because we find the telltale
Speaker 2: evidence left behind of these enormous blocks. So megaliths and
Speaker 2: I want to be I want I want to get
Speaker 2: a little bit of a definition in here, because when
Speaker 2: when a lot of people talk about megalithic structures, a
Speaker 2: lot of them will be like, we'll point out, like
Speaker 2: stone Hint or something, those are monoliths, but they're they're
Speaker 2: very crude. Okay, they're very crude structures that they were created. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they had an understanding still of astronomical alignments and sol
Speaker 2: ssss and things like that. But there's a whole different
Speaker 2: concept to these ancient megalithic structures that I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: these lost civilizations because the people that build Stonehenge they
Speaker 2: came after the younger, dryest catastrophes thousands of years later,
Speaker 2: and that's why their work is crude. Look at the
Speaker 2: blocks coming out of ballback Lebanon, look at the blocks.
Speaker 2: Look at the structures in India, these like Kalaysa Temple
Speaker 2: and others there, and all the way through Egypt the
Speaker 2: Valley Temple and down the Ossyrion go and then go
Speaker 2: across the world to Peru and Bolivia and Easter Island
Speaker 2: and some parts of Mexico like Mitla. We find these
Speaker 2: gigantic blocks that are carved either at a basalt or
Speaker 2: at of granite, which is so hard that you would
Speaker 2: have to have highly sophisticated tools to be able to
Speaker 2: manipulate them, meaning that they had to have been created
Speaker 2: in a high level of sophistication that sometimes sometimes almost
Speaker 2: beyond us. They were created far before the history books
Speaker 2: give them credit for, including the Great Pyramids of Giza.
Speaker 2: Which Great Pyramid of Giza, Remember that's two and a
Speaker 2: half million blocks that averaged almost ten tons each. Similar
Speaker 2: structures that we find in other parts of the world.
Speaker 2: And the reason why, if someone gonna call me out
Speaker 2: on why we don't find those in Iraq, the reason
Speaker 2: is because those areas that built in those areas and
Speaker 2: they preferred brick. It actually talks about how they laid
Speaker 2: in divine places bricks. It was just in their civilization.
Speaker 2: They felt that the bricks had a different kind of
Speaker 2: energy that they wanted in those in those cultures. The
Speaker 2: problem is brick doesn't last, so a lot of those
Speaker 2: are very rough, very crude shape, and they're falling apart
Speaker 2: and decomposing into these giant mountain hillsides that almost look natural,
Speaker 2: but they're not. And that's the only difference is they
Speaker 2: didn't have granite. So some civilizations during that time did
Speaker 2: decide to use something other than granite and basalt, but
Speaker 2: the most common material used in these giant megalists was granite,
Speaker 2: and you can find that in like the Great Pyramid
Speaker 2: of Gjesus case, there are gigantic granite blocks that were
Speaker 2: taken all the way from Aswan, Egypt, hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 2: and hundreds of miles that were incorporated into like the
Speaker 2: around the King's chamber in other areas of the pyramids.
Speaker 2: But they also use limestone because different things have different materials.
Speaker 2: Limestone is an is a great insulator for energy, and
Speaker 2: brick actually has its own energetic structure as well. You know,
Speaker 2: when you take these red sands and in these in
Speaker 2: the different kinds of elements of the Earth and combine them.
Speaker 2: Their mindset was always creating these energetic structures around the world.
Speaker 2: So where I'm getting at with all this, I just
Speaker 2: wanted to give that as for some people that don't know,
Speaker 2: is that what we're finding now is that when you
Speaker 2: specifically look at every key place like I just mentioned,
Speaker 2: you look at areas of Peru in Bolivia, look at Egypt,
Speaker 2: like the unfinished obelisk in Aswan, go look at the
Speaker 2: bulbeck Lebanon in the quarry, go the Yangshen China with
Speaker 2: the giant steely there, and and all the way across
Speaker 2: the world to Easter Island. What you find is that
Speaker 2: the civilizations that lived there had reached the height of
Speaker 2: their sophistication because they were creating the largest, by far
Speaker 2: structures they'd ever created. That obelisk in Egypt and Aswuan
Speaker 2: that was being taken out of the host rock would
Speaker 2: have been more than double the size of any obelisk
Speaker 2: ever created in the world. The Moi statue in Easter
Speaker 2: Island that I just shared recently in a post that
Speaker 2: I was talking about that would have been two and
Speaker 2: a half times a size of any Moi statue anywhere
Speaker 2: on the at the four hundred plus moi statues that
Speaker 2: would have been two and a half times the size
Speaker 2: of any one they had on the island Okay. Go
Speaker 2: over to China Yangshen, we find there was a sixteen
Speaker 2: thousand pound, sixteen thousand ton stela that was about to
Speaker 2: be incorporating their structures. Would have been the largest single
Speaker 2: stone ever create a move and created into a structure
Speaker 2: in the world. Same thing at bulbeck Lebanon, in the
Speaker 2: quarry they were taking out these blocks. They were about
Speaker 2: to take one out that was twelve thousand tons, and
Speaker 2: what happened twelve hundred tons, I'm sorry, twelve hundred tons.
Speaker 2: What happened right in the middle of when they were
Speaker 2: creating the largest structures they've ever created all around the world,
Speaker 2: these places that are literally each different location around the world,
Speaker 2: they just vanished. They just disappeared and the projects were abandoned.
Speaker 2: And that really ties into how we know that there
Speaker 2: were catastrophes when we look at ice core samples, not
Speaker 2: only during the Younger Dryest, meaning the end of the
Speaker 2: Last ice Age twelve thousand years ago, but when Solon,
Speaker 2: when Solon met with the temple priests of Says Egypt,
Speaker 2: If you read in the Timius and Credius, it says
Speaker 2: you Greeks remember one disaster deluge, but there have been
Speaker 2: many that have come before. So really what we need
Speaker 2: to our heads around is that some of these civilizations
Speaker 2: may have even been wiped out by a previous a
Speaker 2: cycle of disasters even before the younger Dryas. And how
Speaker 2: many of those civilizations have risen up and been destroyed
Speaker 2: We don't fully know. It's simply whatever survived through the
Speaker 2: sands of time and through all these different enormous epics
Speaker 2: of history to get to where we are now. So
Speaker 2: we have to have an open mind to how far
Speaker 2: back our civilization goes on this planet.
Speaker 1: How far do you think that is? Do you think
Speaker 1: your two hundred thousand year timeline is pretty accurate?
Speaker 2: I do, And that's why I really try to not
Speaker 2: be closed minded, because remember the ancient Egyptians from says
Speaker 2: say you remember one deluge, but there have been many.
Speaker 2: Now what does that mean? Think about it for a minute. Well,
Speaker 2: we had to look climatologically. We can take ice cores
Speaker 2: from Greenland that go up to thirty thousand years, but
Speaker 2: we can take ice cores Antarctica that go five hundred
Speaker 2: thousand years. And what we find is that these are
Speaker 2: snapshots of the climate of history, is that there are
Speaker 2: cycles of catastrophes that have occurred here at these intervals. Okay, now,
Speaker 2: taking Solon's words from the ancient Egyptians, if there have
Speaker 2: been many that have come before of these catastrophes, then
Speaker 2: we just look at the ice core samples, we match
Speaker 2: them up, go back three or four of them. When
Speaker 2: we do that, it aligns with the Sumerian king list
Speaker 2: and the ERAQ list of kings and stages, the Barosis
Speaker 2: king list, as well as the Egyptian king lists known
Speaker 2: as the Turin Papyrus. It's the same thing they list
Speaker 2: these kings and these ruling rulerships that goes way further
Speaker 2: back than twelve thousand years. And so that's why we
Speaker 2: have to at least entertain the idea that our civilization
Speaker 2: and these cycles of catastrophes have gone back fifty one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, maybe two hundred thousand years of our history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was gonna say, what I'd like about
Speaker 1: the research that you do is that you link a
Speaker 1: lot of these tablets together, Like you just mentioned the
Speaker 1: Sumerian kings list. You can link atra Hasis to that,
Speaker 1: which you can link Gyolgamesh to that, which you can
Speaker 1: link the legend of Atona to that.
Speaker 3: And you even said the death of Bell gains right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what's so exciting is that you take
Speaker 2: you create this theory based on the evidence left behind, right,
Speaker 2: Like we just said, these cycles of catastrophes and these
Speaker 2: kings that ruled for these lengthy amount of times, and
Speaker 2: then you go into the other separate tablets and you
Speaker 2: find the same king mentioned in a different tablet from
Speaker 2: a different civilization that talks about them. Right, Because the Sumerians,
Speaker 2: the Babylonians, the Assyrians, and the all these different the
Speaker 2: ancient Persian, zo or Astrian civilizations, all these different cultures
Speaker 2: that have come and gone, have carried down the story
Speaker 2: of their ancestors in these canea form tablets, and they've
Speaker 2: talked about these ancient kings and these bloodlines of the
Speaker 2: Anuna and these gods all throughout history. And yet and
Speaker 2: we're sometimes we're choosing to ignore that. But that's what's
Speaker 2: fascinating is that the last king on the Sumerian king
Speaker 2: list that it says then the deluge swept over and
Speaker 2: essentially destroyed all the cities that once existed. That last
Speaker 2: king was known as Ubaratutu and his son was Untande Pishtam,
Speaker 2: who wrote the Atrajesis. That's the religious figure known as Noah.
Speaker 2: Now that king is also then discussed in the Death
Speaker 2: of Billigame's Tablet that that and the Epic of Gilgamesh,
Speaker 2: tying this time period with the Legend of Atana into
Speaker 2: these two distinctive time periods, the prediluvian or pre deluged
Speaker 2: cities of the younger Dryas that existed throughout the fertile
Speaker 2: cresset Mesopotamian area, and then when kingship was relowered again,
Speaker 2: the new cities and the new empires that emerged after that.
Speaker 2: And that's why we have to separate very distinctly these
Speaker 2: different time periods, because it says right in the Legend
Speaker 2: of Atana, it states that after the old world was destroyed,
Speaker 2: Atana was chosen to be the very first king and
Speaker 2: the architect for the entire new world. And he was
Speaker 2: chosen because he had a certain bloodline to rule over
Speaker 2: the city of Kish. So Kish ends up becoming the
Speaker 2: very first city that they had to relower. Kingship meanings
Speaker 2: civilization had to be recreated over again because those events
Speaker 2: were so destructive they wiped out the entire civilization that
Speaker 2: existed before.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, And what I was going to say.
Speaker 1: Another thing I think it's important that we need to
Speaker 1: address is that like this isn't information from just like
Speaker 1: Zacharias sichem. Like you went to Oxford University, You've studied
Speaker 1: George Smith, Austin, Henry Lelier. I mean you could tell
Speaker 1: the people, like all the people that you studied because
Speaker 1: there were foul sensition, even though he was a pioneer.
Speaker 1: I think he was a great pioneer, but you went
Speaker 1: to look in other places for your research, right.
Speaker 2: I did it because I wanted to become an expert
Speaker 2: on this, and in order to do that, I had
Speaker 2: to both be able to understand who the best translators were.
Speaker 2: And I firmly believe that the best translators. I mean
Speaker 2: I often mentioned, you know, Stephanie Dally, George Smith, Samuel Kramer,
Speaker 2: but there are there are a couple others as well
Speaker 2: that have truly mastered their understanding of ancient Sumerian the
Speaker 2: Syrian cultures to translate these ancient tablets, and they uh what.
Speaker 2: Their translations all coincide with each other, and they mimic
Speaker 2: each other. And that's how you have correlation, through finding
Speaker 2: other translators that agree on the same information. And that's
Speaker 2: why I put so much weight into those translations. I
Speaker 2: don't just read one translation. I'll read one translation from
Speaker 2: one expert and then compare it to another one and
Speaker 2: then find where the truth is by where the most
Speaker 2: experts have agreed on. And sometimes they even call out
Speaker 2: that they don't know what a particular word maybe means
Speaker 2: this or this, and that's where you have to get
Speaker 2: in and understand what that tablet is trying to say,
Speaker 2: to try to put the pieces together, because a lot
Speaker 2: of these tablets are so ancient that parts of them
Speaker 2: have broken off and been lost, and so we don't
Speaker 2: have all of the translations for every section. Sometimes we've
Speaker 2: lost entire parts of stories and we don't even know
Speaker 2: what they say. But oftentimes we can try to interpret
Speaker 2: what they would have said based on what came first
Speaker 2: and what came after, and then what's shared by another tablet,
Speaker 2: because usually these stories are carried on by multiple different
Speaker 2: civilizations and different tablets, and it gives us an opportunity
Speaker 2: to fill in the pieces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my last question for you is this is I
Speaker 1: always thought this was a fun one when you talked
Speaker 1: about when m Little says to Yankee, he says, where
Speaker 1: you went you were supposed to break the chains to
Speaker 1: set us free, And that always sat with me weird.
Speaker 3: I was like, what is that and what do they
Speaker 3: what do they mean by that, because it seems like that.
Speaker 1: Could be something so much deeper, Like what do you
Speaker 1: think he meant by that?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, so that's in the Autrahasis and he says,
Speaker 2: so Enlil's talking to Anky and he's mad at him. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's mad at him because he wants He tells him
Speaker 2: that he essentially was in charge of humanity and their reality.
Speaker 2: And he says where you went, Anky, meaning the underworld,
Speaker 2: where you went, you were to undo the chain and
Speaker 2: set us free. And now that is something that is
Speaker 2: extensively talked about in the new book coming out, where
Speaker 2: I break down all of those tablets and really get
Speaker 2: into what some of the other experts I believed as
Speaker 2: well as what that meant should could have meant based
Speaker 2: on our understanding of the on Andochy. Now there are
Speaker 2: two distinct possibilities that seem to have come up in
Speaker 2: my mind or to probabilities of what that means based
Speaker 2: on everything I'm studying. A lot of people would jump
Speaker 2: on the concept of maybe that means manipulating DNA to
Speaker 2: undo the chain the chain of DNA in terms of
Speaker 2: us in our reality. The other possibility may have to
Speaker 2: do with the creation of us, so it may be related.
Speaker 2: The idea is, if you are if we try to
Speaker 2: understand these Anna in a way where it's like a
Speaker 2: multi dimensional being that's like some kind of a creator here.
Speaker 2: They come here. They seem to have gotten trapped in
Speaker 2: our reality, perhaps through karma, because karmic energy is very real.
Speaker 2: You can get trapped somewhere, And I think maybe it
Speaker 2: relates to the idea of this whole fallen angel concept
Speaker 2: that's in later religions that we are Basically, they were
Speaker 2: trapped here and the way out was through us. Somehow,
Speaker 2: through the creation of us allowed them to transcend into
Speaker 2: become eternal beings and to have to not have to
Speaker 2: be stuck in the domain of our reality. So it
Speaker 2: may have to do with we may be that escape
Speaker 2: for them out of this reality somehow in this karmic
Speaker 2: reality because it states in a lot of tablets that
Speaker 2: these anuna were coming here far before humans were ever created.
Speaker 2: That's what it is, especially the numa Elish and others.
Speaker 2: It states that they were coming here and creating far
Speaker 2: before us, and so perhaps that's why they ended up
Speaker 2: getting stuck somehow in this reality and then they had
Speaker 2: to create us as a way out. It's it's hard
Speaker 2: to understand, but I would like to read I think
Speaker 2: we might get some answers here. I'd like to read
Speaker 2: a short passage from the Death of Bill Games. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a tablet that I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: heard anyone ever talk about the Death of Bill Games
Speaker 2: ever in any discussions or any experts to talk about this,
Speaker 2: and I think they should because the Death of Bill
Speaker 2: Games is it's an ancient tablet that came out of
Speaker 2: the city of Napur in Iraq, so that's an ancient
Speaker 2: land that was part of the Sumerian civilization. And this
Speaker 2: translation was done by Samuel Noah Kramer, who is one
Speaker 2: of the best translators in the world. Now I want
Speaker 2: to read some of this to give people an idea
Speaker 2: of how this might relate.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 2: For those who don't know, billa games was another name
Speaker 2: for Gilgamesh, which is what gets so fascinating about this,
Speaker 2: because Gilgamesh was the last of these ancient kings that
Speaker 2: came after this the deluge of a certain blood line
Speaker 2: that came later, and he essentially was the last of
Speaker 2: these gods that was seeking immortality and had this certain
Speaker 2: blood line. He's a giant. That's why you can see
Speaker 2: depictions of him and murals holding this this full grown
Speaker 2: lion that looks like a cat, because he was one
Speaker 2: of these Nephelim giant kings that ruled, and he was
Speaker 2: in my research, he may have been one of the
Speaker 2: last ones as well. So this is just a piece
Speaker 2: of it, and I just want to read this and
Speaker 2: then break it down for a minute because I think
Speaker 2: it's fascinating. So I'm going to just read the beginning,
Speaker 2: get a little bit of a background before I get
Speaker 2: into the parts that we're going to break down. So
Speaker 2: we have a concept of that, and this directly relates
Speaker 2: to the epic of Gilgamesh. It's from that same story.
Speaker 2: So it says in the Assembly the Place of the
Speaker 2: Gods ceremonial when the Lord Billigames had drawn nigh, they
Speaker 2: said to him. While Lord bill Games sat down in
Speaker 2: this case, having traveled each and every road, because he
Speaker 2: went on these great journeys, having fetched that cedar, the
Speaker 2: unique tree, from its mountain, after you smote Hojuana in
Speaker 2: this forest, having erected stelle for future days forever, in
Speaker 2: a stella steele a are these giant like a coat
Speaker 2: of Hammurabi, these huge tablets that essentially have these codes
Speaker 2: and these rules that we find all around the world.
Speaker 2: We find them in the ancient Maya, the Aztec, the Inca,
Speaker 2: all the way through Egypt and into the Mesopotamia. So
Speaker 2: this was an important way to lead behind a certain message.
Speaker 2: He goes on to say, having founded temples of the gods.
Speaker 2: Remember he was a king of Uruk. You reached Zaya Sudra,
Speaker 2: who was Untapischtam. Zayas Sudra was the name used for Untipishtam,
Speaker 2: the last king of Shrupak in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Speaker 2: Having reached Untipischtam in his abode, and we'll break this down.
Speaker 2: After you brought to the land the means of summer
Speaker 2: that were forever that were forgotten forever the commandments and rights,
Speaker 2: and he goes on to say the flood that destroyed
Speaker 2: the inhabited regions as well as all foreign lands. Now
Speaker 2: Bill of Games should not be taken away just like that,
Speaker 2: as in he's dying, he should rule in the underworld.
Speaker 2: That was the end Lil's advice that they gave Anki,
Speaker 2: and then they go on to have a conversation. Anki
Speaker 2: answered on an Endlil, this is what Nki says. In
Speaker 2: far off years, after the Assembly had made the deluge
Speaker 2: sweep over so that we could destroy the seed of mankind,
Speaker 2: we said in our midst you are the only man living.
Speaker 2: Zia Soudra is the name of humanity living. From that
Speaker 2: day I swore by the life of heaven and earth.
Speaker 2: From that day I swore that mankind will not have
Speaker 2: eternal life. Okay, that is one of my favorite passages
Speaker 2: from any tablet, and because it has so many crossovers
Speaker 2: of other tablets. Now, let's start just to break this
Speaker 2: down from the beginning. In the Assembly, the Assembly is
Speaker 2: essentially the Council of twelve. It's the Royal Nuna that
Speaker 2: had an assembly that they were essentially discussing and determining
Speaker 2: the fates, and they taught they called them fates, the
Speaker 2: fates of humanity. They decided everything, and they ruled through
Speaker 2: these royal centers on earth, like Aridu and others. They
Speaker 2: talk about how bill Games went on this bill Games,
Speaker 2: and it was Gilgamesh went on this great journey to
Speaker 2: find immortality and to seek Zayas sudr Undapishtim who is
Speaker 2: in the underworld. That's what the entire story is. He's
Speaker 2: already this immortal being in the underworld that no longer
Speaker 2: is physical, ot way after the events of the deluge.
Speaker 2: And then he talks about how you brought to the
Speaker 2: land the means of Sumer that were forgotten forever. What
Speaker 2: does that mean? Remember how he was erecting these delays. Well,
Speaker 2: the mes are these commandments and rights like it says
Speaker 2: for how a civilization is going to be created and ruled,
Speaker 2: and it states that he brought them to back to
Speaker 2: the land of Sumer and then afterwards where they were
Speaker 2: forgotten forever. So something happened after Gilgamesh when all of
Speaker 2: these the kingship and these laws and rules had been
Speaker 2: forgotten and lost. And then it goes on to state
Speaker 2: talks about how the flood that destroyed the inhabited regions
Speaker 2: as well as all foreign lands. It's talking about a
Speaker 2: global catastrophe that wiped out civilizations all around the world.
Speaker 2: That's what that means. And then it goes on to
Speaker 2: talk about how the Assembly had made the deluge sweep over.
Speaker 2: Just like it says in the entrahesis, they had decided
Speaker 2: that they wanted to wipe out humanity by allowing or
Speaker 2: creating this catastrophe on Earth through a series of events
Speaker 2: that would maybe completely alter the poles and shift all
Speaker 2: the tectonic plates and maybe set off tsunamis around the world,
Speaker 2: and all the volcanoes and all the incredible things that
Speaker 2: may be related to solar impacts and maybe even cosmic
Speaker 2: impacts outside of that. And then it says, so they
Speaker 2: could destroy the seed of mankind, they wanted to start
Speaker 2: over again. They wanted our entire species to literally disappear forever,
Speaker 2: to never exist again. And then it goes on to
Speaker 2: state that basically from after Zayasudra Untapishtam, who was the
Speaker 2: last king of Sharrupak who had survived that was a
Speaker 2: Noah figure that had survived, states that he was the
Speaker 2: last man that was ever given eternal life ever again.
Speaker 2: And then what happened. Human lifespans start going shorter and
Speaker 2: shorter and shorter until they're only about one hundred years
Speaker 2: from thousands, which exactly coincides to what the tablet state
Speaker 2: within these being like immortal beings at one point and
Speaker 2: then becoming mortal later on. So I find I find that,
Speaker 2: and the death of Bill Games is one of the
Speaker 2: ones that's going to be just in the new book.
Speaker 2: So I find that to be a fascinating way to
Speaker 2: connect all of these ancient stories in our understanding of
Speaker 2: the past, to try to figure out where we've come from.
Speaker 3: Oh, I agree. And what was so interesting is you
Speaker 3: mentioned themes.
Speaker 1: I remember in the other story with Anana and Yankees,
Speaker 1: she tries to get aanky drunk so she can take
Speaker 1: themes off him. So they were always with these mes,
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out civilization.
Speaker 3: I guess those were like the blueprints for reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's exactly. They were like the blueprints for all
Speaker 2: of civilization. But more importantly, they also had energetic purposes
Speaker 2: as well. They seem to be almost like this this
Speaker 2: set of sacred materials and tablets that had energetic ways
Speaker 2: where almost like the if you had them, you had
Speaker 2: all the power to rule over an entire area, if
Speaker 2: you had them in your midst because it talks about
Speaker 2: people used to steal them, like you just said, other
Speaker 2: gods would steal them, they would lose them, and then
Speaker 2: they wouldn't build a rule any longer. So it's something
Speaker 2: just beyond like a set of stones, something far greater,
Speaker 2: or it seems to be maybe something almost like inherently
Speaker 2: relatable to something like the emerald tablets or something related
Speaker 2: to something some kind of an alchemical structure material with
Speaker 2: these divine rights and commandments that if you have them
Speaker 2: you can rule. You have all this power to rule
Speaker 2: over regions in civilizations, and that those said. It says
Speaker 2: in that though, that after Gilgamesh that they were forever
Speaker 2: forgotten and lost, which is fascinating how you look at
Speaker 2: civilization dramatically changed after that and became very warlike. After
Speaker 2: that time period. You started having empires rise up that
Speaker 2: just constantly, we're going to war with one another, and
Speaker 2: we forgot who we are, and that's how we ended
Speaker 2: up down this path after the Roman Empire becoming a
Speaker 2: bit more of a warlike species that forgot our connection
Speaker 2: with the universe and the Earth.
Speaker 3: I totally agree.
Speaker 1: And my last question for you is do you agree
Speaker 1: with like how Gerald thought and other people, lot of
Speaker 1: people think that we're in a holographic reality and how
Speaker 1: do you think that ties into the Anuna.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a holographic reality because it's a reality that's
Speaker 2: not physical, so holographic meaning it's this non physical reality
Speaker 2: that we can't really see or touch, but it exists
Speaker 2: beyond that. And in that way, because our we were
Speaker 2: defined to our five senses, and because we live in
Speaker 2: this this reality where we can just see the seven
Speaker 2: colors of visible light centers visible light spectrum, we are
Speaker 2: very limited to understanding so much of the spectrum outside
Speaker 2: of that and even seeing reality in any of the
Speaker 2: components that make up for it. And so the holographic
Speaker 2: nature of it is that we we live in basically
Speaker 2: like super string theory talked about how it's just the
Speaker 2: vibrating strings of energy that define all reality and everything
Speaker 2: can just be defined into vibration, and that we because
Speaker 2: we don't see that or feel it often, that we
Speaker 2: really do live in like this holographic nature reality. And
Speaker 2: then we often don't even know what we're doing here.
Speaker 2: We're just sort of existing without really knowing our true purpose.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds that sounds about right. Well, I don't
Speaker 1: have any other questions. Is there anything else you want
Speaker 1: to go over before we finish up for tonight or
Speaker 1: do you just want to give your website and stuff.
Speaker 2: Or yeah, just I'll just give people some updates. Really
Speaker 2: a lot of very exciting things coming up for in
Speaker 2: the in the near future. So again, The Epic of Humanity,
Speaker 2: a two year project, is finally releasing next month. Billy
Speaker 2: Carson and I we're picking covers right now and finalizing
Speaker 2: everything inside, and then we're going to be going on
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of speaking tours and different things to
Speaker 2: promote that. Give a shout out to Fifth Kind with
Speaker 2: with everyone over there, so we can basically, you know,
Speaker 2: Tony and Paul go on and talk about that on
Speaker 2: there where I have a number of other channels we're
Speaker 2: going to be going on. And then Billy and I
Speaker 2: and Jay Campbell are going to be going to Peru
Speaker 2: in Bolivia at the end of November to do like
Speaker 2: an ancient megalithic tour of a lot of mach Machu Picchu,
Speaker 2: Sasquaman oy A, t Tombo over to Lake Titty Kaka
Speaker 2: and pum Pumku and Tijuanaku to do an Ancient History
Speaker 2: Megalithic Tour. I do a ton of filming. We're going
Speaker 2: to do lots of videos and get a lot of content,
Speaker 2: and then I want people to look forward to me
Speaker 2: finally being presenting at the Conscious Life Expo in Los
Speaker 2: Angeles in February, So if you want to come, makes
Speaker 2: you get tickets to be able to come meet me
Speaker 2: and see me, and I'll be doing a whole presentation
Speaker 2: on some some really cool stuff there. So you know,
Speaker 2: look forward to a lot of those other exciting things
Speaker 2: coming up. And then I have a something else potentially
Speaker 2: happening in December that I hopefully can announce at some
Speaker 2: point coming up too.
Speaker 3: So you're Ancient Civilizations with Gaya, right.
Speaker 2: I I was on many many episodes of Ancient Civilizations
Speaker 2: season four on Gaya, and I also was I played
Speaker 2: a big part writing and helping design those episodes, So
Speaker 2: I hope people can check that out. And I have
Speaker 2: we have a number of new shows. Billy Carson and
Speaker 2: I just did an open Minds on Gaya with Regina
Speaker 2: Meredith and there's another Beyond Belief coming out with me
Speaker 2: and so I'm gonna be going on coast to coast
Speaker 2: am with Billy once the book is released. So we
Speaker 2: have a whole bunch of stuff that we're going to
Speaker 2: be doing in the future that everyone can look forward to.
Speaker 2: So I really appreciate everyone supporting my work. And Rob,
Speaker 2: it was it was great to talk to you. I
Speaker 2: know you you have a very good knowledge base of
Speaker 2: this that makes it easy to be able to get deep,
Speaker 2: really deep into some of these topics.
Speaker 3: Thank you. That's that's awesome.
Speaker 1: That's a real compliment coming from you, because I've really
Speaker 1: looked up to your work. I've looked up to it
Speaker 1: for a while, and like I love the fact that
Speaker 1: you're succeeding and you like you're kind of like living
Speaker 1: out your dreams, like you know, I just like I
Speaker 1: love to see that because you deserve it. All the
Speaker 1: work you put in from your early videos to now,
Speaker 1: like you're just becoming like a mastermind in our in
Speaker 1: our in our field.
Speaker 3: You know, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate that. Such a that's a wonderful thing
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 4: I I thank you for that, and could you want
Speaker 4: to tell everybody in your website here wed My website
Speaker 4: is the Stage of Time dot com and my YouTube
Speaker 4: is Matthew Lacroix.
Speaker 2: And guys, don't forget we have an Instagram title we've
Speaker 2: already established for the Epic of Humanity, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: a website as well coming out. So look forward to
Speaker 2: all that. And I guess one more thing I want
Speaker 2: to mention that I forgot is if you've been watching
Speaker 2: Billy Carson's network, I have a big my own show
Speaker 2: coming out in his network next month called Mystery School
Speaker 2: of Truth that he put in we both put a
Speaker 2: lot of effort and work into, and so I can't
Speaker 2: wait for that to be released because that's a pretty
Speaker 2: high budget show where I did all I was the
Speaker 2: I did. It was a solo show that I did
Speaker 2: all a whole host of topics and all kinds of graphics,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be really cool. So check that out.
Speaker 3: And there's the Truth on there too, right yeap.
Speaker 2: Season one of Decoders of Truth is is now out
Speaker 2: fully and then we're going to be filming season two
Speaker 2: of Dakoders of Truth in Peru Oblivia in November.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: doing this. Then we'll have to do it again.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Rob. I hope you have a great
Speaker 2: rest of your day.
Speaker 3: Thanks you to have a good one. Thanks,