Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. I
Speaker 1: am Mike Bahardy. It is episode ninety here as always
Speaker 1: with Dan Riker, Hello and Mary kish No. See which
Speaker 1: one of them was gonna do a merry impression?
Speaker 2: Oh wait, Mike, are we making history tonight on this fires?
Speaker 3: Is this the first time we've done four people?
Speaker 4: It is?
Speaker 5: We're making history? Or who could it be? People are asking.
Speaker 2: Who is that? You ask?
Speaker 3: That's Mike Manatti.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 6: I would never try to do an impression of Mary.
Speaker 6: She was very scary last time I was here.
Speaker 3: Mary's a baby.
Speaker 2: And Jeff Grubb is also joining us.
Speaker 4: It's the Internet, You're brazy. Let's do this. Welcome to
Speaker 4: the Game As Decides Podcast. How Jeff Rubbed Me is
Speaker 4: a couple of pros here.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: I noticed that Jeff Grubb came in on time and
Speaker 5: wasn't muted.
Speaker 2: For a while, and listen.
Speaker 4: I would never do that. Oh my god, you.
Speaker 2: To be clear.
Speaker 4: You've done this for a while, Grub, you're apro was
Speaker 4: ready to go and then you're like, oh, we we
Speaker 4: have to record some ads.
Speaker 2: I'll let you guys know we're ready. I was like, OK,
Speaker 2: you got with the punch.
Speaker 5: And I still scent it before the time I told you,
Speaker 5: even with the ads considered, so that doesn't count.
Speaker 4: I can check the eight fifty seven pm yes notation
Speaker 4: on my phone.
Speaker 2: It was my bad. I'm sorry, Okay, I.
Speaker 5: Just want people to get window into the nightmare it
Speaker 5: is working with Mike and yeah, it's really unpleasant.
Speaker 1: Mike and Jeff are both previous guests separately on the podcast,
Speaker 1: both times when I was not here. Mike, you and
Speaker 1: I did Hell Divers together the bonus episode. But did
Speaker 1: we We haven't done an episode, I don't think. No.
Speaker 6: No, yeah, we did Hell Divers. We bonded over Lord
Speaker 6: of the Rings, and uh, I thought we bonded.
Speaker 2: We built up, we built up some good will. We're
Speaker 2: really like getting to know each other.
Speaker 6: And then I accidentally called you Matt and just you know,
Speaker 6: completely reverse direction there.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately it could be only one mic.
Speaker 3: You said it in person to Dan at Seattle as.
Speaker 2: Well, begged him not to tell you. What was the content?
Speaker 2: Why were we recording you talking about him? No, we
Speaker 2: didn't record it at all. We were talking about him.
Speaker 4: We were at the j W Drinks in liked right away, okay,
Speaker 4: got it?
Speaker 2: Just a mean jerk that.
Speaker 1: Wow, both don't remember Mike and Jeff are from Game
Speaker 1: mess podcasts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever, you guess.
Speaker 4: It's kind of messed up that you invited us both
Speaker 4: because this will be Mike, is this four podcasts we're
Speaker 4: doing together this week? Christian wanted us to do Columbro,
Speaker 4: so that would have been five. Definitely not happening now. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 4: god you guys, this is This is the fourth one
Speaker 4: right now. We're doing a fifth one tomorrow. Oh is
Speaker 4: that true?
Speaker 2: We did yesterday, we did two today, we're doing a
Speaker 2: fifth tomorrow. Oh my god, you have the dog one.
Speaker 2: I like the dog gimmick. Thank you, thank you. I
Speaker 2: like our dog gimmick.
Speaker 6: Although we did our Nintendo podcast yesterday and then like
Speaker 6: the fun Nintendo stuff happened today when we're recording with
Speaker 6: this Power World lawsuit and like the Switch two leaks
Speaker 6: and all this stuff.
Speaker 4: But that's okay. They hate us, we know. I'm sure
Speaker 4: we'll get it into later in the news section.
Speaker 2: Oh, we'll break it all down.
Speaker 3: I think a section is gonna go a bit long.
Speaker 2: The Roman Dissonance of the week, the on we long time.
Speaker 1: All the stars are here, but yeah, I'm out numbered
Speaker 1: by giant Bombers tonight.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm yeah, sorry, games Mess, cross Giant Bomb, cross
Speaker 5: Fire Escape here, look at that.
Speaker 2: That's right, games Mess, Game Mess.
Speaker 4: It's game.
Speaker 6: It's a play on Summer Game Fest because it was
Speaker 6: originally Summer Game Mess.
Speaker 4: It was right, and it was Jeff Grubbs Summer Game Mess.
Speaker 4: When I was like poking at at Jeff Keeley, which
Speaker 4: what I never I would never do today. Very respectful
Speaker 4: of them, yes, just like hard Drive like, oh yeah, listen,
Speaker 4: I just let hard Drive do all the work. It's fine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And so we were poking at it and now that
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I was telling people like when stuff
Speaker 4: would happen before that it was announced and things like that,
Speaker 4: and that's just now. The Patreon Patreon dot com slash
Speaker 4: game mets and you two.
Speaker 6: Goes near each other as well. Right, pretty cool, North Northeast,
Speaker 6: Ohio up eighty five minutes, eighty five minute dry. We're
Speaker 6: actually hang out this weekend.
Speaker 2: Classic Games.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a big video video game convention, like a
Speaker 6: retro gaming convention at the big Springfield door, not a Springfield.
Speaker 6: It's in Cleveland, but there's a lot of venders.
Speaker 4: We can't do and go to Springfield anymore. They ate
Speaker 4: all the consoles there, but they're just going nuts there
Speaker 4: nuts with television. They ate the Sega Saturns.
Speaker 2: It's terrible. Oh my god.
Speaker 6: I was really confused because I live right by a Springfield, Ohio,
Speaker 6: and I was like, I was like, first I ever
Speaker 6: heard about this?
Speaker 2: What like, what's going on? And I had to look.
Speaker 6: Turns out that the Springfield I'm by has been named
Speaker 6: New Springfield this entire time, probably because it was the
Speaker 6: second Springfield And.
Speaker 2: Can we should just do Shelbyville at that point? You should.
Speaker 2: Mike Mahrty doesn't get that reference.
Speaker 3: I watched enough Simpsons more.
Speaker 2: You're more of a Futurama guy. I get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think is a front runner for like the
Speaker 4: possible location of Springfield from the Simpsons right.
Speaker 5: Well, that that's it's never had a real thing. The
Speaker 5: whole point was, there's the most named thing in the
Speaker 5: in the country. To believe spring Mike hasn't seen Simpsons.
Speaker 5: He's more of a he used to until I blocked
Speaker 5: him on Instagram. Just send me wine memes, put over
Speaker 5: the office US clips and uh lately I think I
Speaker 5: unblocked him and send those to me.
Speaker 2: I send those to you. No, No, I'm saying you
Speaker 2: go ahead and send those to me.
Speaker 3: I send you the Undertaker one.
Speaker 5: Yes, you moved on to wrestling wine memes. Undertaker sitting
Speaker 5: up out of the coffin. Bo, wouldn't you smell a
Speaker 5: good shirt?
Speaker 3: You're butchering a very good meme. No, Mike makes a
Speaker 3: good point.
Speaker 4: I think these two mics are way more alike than
Speaker 4: people might first realize, because I think they are both
Speaker 4: into their various alcoholic beverages to a similar degree. Like
Speaker 4: Mike cares about whiskey that much. I'm obviously you do.
Speaker 2: Too, Like I think. I think Mike the first, may
Speaker 2: I call you Mike the first.
Speaker 1: He's been very differential ever since he got aname wrong
Speaker 1: and said that I thought we were best friend?
Speaker 3: No, how did you phrase it? He thinks we're best friends.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are his best friend. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not a good play up.
Speaker 1: The meme was it was like when you open a
Speaker 1: bottle of When you open a bottle of like d
Speaker 1: r C you thought was dead, there's the Undertaker coming
Speaker 1: up out of his coffin and choking.
Speaker 2: Was that triple h? Remember your wine meme? Exactly Undertaker.
Speaker 1: So Triple H is this guy who works at w
Speaker 1: I think he's still at w w E. He's related
Speaker 1: to the rest of the family that owns.
Speaker 4: Married in.
Speaker 2: Them. Mcmahonks mahons.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got Leam and Ryan and Doyle mcoyle.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 5: We did a black club recently, me and our two
Speaker 5: guests here and I asked, I was talking to Bank
Speaker 5: about just gohing man. Black club's so good and just
Speaker 5: you know, the chemistry is so easy. And I asked her.
Speaker 5: I was like, who am I more similar to between
Speaker 5: Grub and Manati? And she started saying Manati and then
Speaker 5: she stopped and she goes, No, Manati's pretty extreme.
Speaker 2: You're more like Grub.
Speaker 3: Extreme in what way?
Speaker 4: Yeah? This year collaborate boarding, you know, Yeah, every time
Speaker 4: he goes to Disney. That's what he's like known for. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you guys know about it. Extremely Goofy movie. No, yeah,
Speaker 4: because you literally told me all about it two days ago.
Speaker 4: So there's a Goofy movie from the nineties and it's,
Speaker 4: you know, a beloved millennial classic, but in the early
Speaker 4: two thousands straight to DVD, an extremely Goofy movie where
Speaker 4: Goofy's son goes to college, but Goofy also goes to
Speaker 4: college and they both get involved with the X Games.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic, right, No, absolutely, they're all dogs. Come on, yeah, dog.
Speaker 1: Pluto is like not anthropomorphic though, right, No, so he's dog.
Speaker 6: You're like ten years ten years behind on like Disney
Speaker 6: fan means we've all had.
Speaker 4: Oh no, god, I feel like a dork now.
Speaker 3: That's actually what really kicked off.
Speaker 1: Uh, Mike and my relationship was when I made fun
Speaker 1: of Disney adults and like you and you reached out
Speaker 1: very cordially.
Speaker 3: It was like a whole middle finger. Yeah via email.
Speaker 4: Time, get to know him a little bit better. It
Speaker 4: won't be cordial the next time. I always get it.
Speaker 4: What actually turns everybody around is going to Disneyland with me.
Speaker 4: It turns out everybody good time, it was good, It
Speaker 4: was good. It would be going to gayl Pari with
Speaker 4: with Mike Maharty, like the Disneyland of Wine.
Speaker 6: Maharty would be so easy with with disney World, even
Speaker 6: because there's so.
Speaker 2: Because you could just get them drunk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, because disney World is so big, it's so
Speaker 6: many things, like I could I could make a good
Speaker 6: at least three day vacation for anybody in the world.
Speaker 6: Less they're gonna just be a complete like fuddy duddy
Speaker 6: and just like not want to give in a little bit.
Speaker 2: You Yeah, that might be rough, like but that might
Speaker 2: be rough.
Speaker 4: But like with Mike, there's so many like Like there's
Speaker 4: like the one restaurant in the Animal Kingdom Lodge resort
Speaker 4: that has like like the largest selection of I think
Speaker 4: South African wines in the country or something like that.
Speaker 2: So it's like.
Speaker 3: Mentioned in the email, and I was intrigued for sure.
Speaker 2: Right, So you like that. And there's a bunch of
Speaker 2: other like great one.
Speaker 6: There's a place called Wine Bar George with of Somalier
Speaker 6: who who opened that there, And there's a lot of
Speaker 6: amazing wines there and good food and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: Just great restaurants in general, especially like honestly, at my age,
Speaker 6: that's the thing I look forward to the most in
Speaker 6: Disney World now is the restaurants almost more than anything else.
Speaker 2: Is good.
Speaker 5: You've taken me, you've taken grub, You've gone with Ben Hanson,
Speaker 5: although Hanson's probably not a hard cell, but know it,
Speaker 5: it is hard to have a bad time, all right.
Speaker 4: I would shoot at one of the best times in
Speaker 4: my life that day. That was so much fun.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is disney World or Land or both the ones
Speaker 1: with the like the food stalls from around the world.
Speaker 6: Epcott was the first one to do that, and now
Speaker 6: they kind of they kind of copy it in Disneyland
Speaker 6: in the California Adventure Park now because it was so
Speaker 6: successful in Epclot. It's not quite as hot over there,
Speaker 6: but yeah, Epcot's a one with that, and with the
Speaker 6: drinking around the world thing because they have all the
Speaker 6: different areas seemed to different countries and so you can
Speaker 6: get like a margarita at Mexico and then get a
Speaker 6: beer at Germany and some wine at Italy, and you
Speaker 6: know you can.
Speaker 4: Yeah, beer Garden is the one I'm kind of annoyed
Speaker 4: that we're not gonna be going to because we're in
Speaker 4: a Disney World for the first time with the family
Speaker 4: in November and we just made all our reservations because
Speaker 4: you got to make them sixty days out and the
Speaker 4: beer Garden was what I was looking at.
Speaker 2: It was like that looks like a very good time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: beer Garden.
Speaker 6: It's a German themed and they like have like a
Speaker 6: band right and even have like a guy with one
Speaker 6: of the ricola horns.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: So that's fun and it's a a Fay style thing.
Speaker 6: But yeah, one thing I'll.
Speaker 5: Say, Mike, and I was very honest about my trip
Speaker 5: to disney World or Disneyland. You talk with the restaurants.
Speaker 5: I don't know how Krthay Circle is generally considered. I
Speaker 5: thought it was fine. I think I think some people
Speaker 5: are maybe there with that. I didn't even eat a
Speaker 5: full meal there, I don't I'm.
Speaker 2: Sorry, what is this karth? They sure?
Speaker 5: We had dinner at Disneyland, and I was told like, oh,
Speaker 5: this is the one and it was very expensive. Uh,
Speaker 5: and but it's gimmicked, like it's that's it's the gimmick.
Speaker 2: And he loves gimmicks.
Speaker 5: If you love the Margaritaville, you love Rainforest Cafe, Bubble, you.
Speaker 2: Enjoy going to Margaritaville, Oh yeah, absolutely. Next time you're in.
Speaker 1: New York, let's go the rooftop in Midtown.
Speaker 2: You come to our Margaritaville.
Speaker 3: We found the glue between all four of us trip.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 6: When I went to the Mall of America with Dan,
Speaker 6: there was like this courtyard where it was like it
Speaker 6: was like a Mexican could stand off with the Margheritaville,
Speaker 6: the Rape Forest Cafe in the Bubble Cups strip, just
Speaker 6: like all staring at each other, and I was like,
Speaker 6: this is the most beautiful thing I've ever did.
Speaker 4: You stand equidistant between all three? Did you do that?
Speaker 5: It's like a four corners thing with the stands. Yeah,
Speaker 5: one hand in every restaurant. Yeah, the four corners.
Speaker 2: That's fun.
Speaker 4: To give me a blindfold. It's spinned me around.
Speaker 2: Absolutely love that. Let's do that.
Speaker 5: Let's go spin Mike Manati in America.
Speaker 1: I remember during COVID or not, like after COVID things
Speaker 1: had started opening up again. I was trying to go
Speaker 1: to the Olive Garden in Midtown just because it wouldn't
Speaker 1: be flooded with tourists and it would actually be still
Speaker 1: be Olive Garden.
Speaker 5: That was the one where I dared you to go
Speaker 5: by yourself and demand they sang happy Birthday to you.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, yeah, I did not do that. I could
Speaker 2: do that, mate.
Speaker 6: Maybe last time I was at Olive Gardens because my
Speaker 6: nephew made us go because it was it's mentioned in
Speaker 6: one of the Sonic movies, so he was like, he's
Speaker 6: really it doesn't he.
Speaker 4: Get apasta path like in the second song of the
Speaker 4: Sonic Movie or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how he was, like really exciting.
Speaker 4: It's incredible that that air movie advertising worked on a
Speaker 4: child man.
Speaker 2: He was so happy to be there.
Speaker 5: Grub was it You posted a thing today of the
Speaker 5: funk Co Fusion game with like a KFC mini game.
Speaker 2: Yep, not a mini game.
Speaker 4: It's like the KFC things are like all like a
Speaker 4: bucket of chicken is littered all over the game and
Speaker 4: you gotta shoot it like so many.
Speaker 2: Tongue lock stuff or something.
Speaker 6: I want to be cynical, but I loved Yo Noyd
Speaker 6: for the NYT listening.
Speaker 4: My my post was my eyes dilating because I'm like,
Speaker 4: I gotta play this now, like I.
Speaker 5: Hate Funko, Like I think that shit's really stupid, and
Speaker 5: we're going to play play the game. But if they're
Speaker 5: going all the way like branding nutso like beyond crazy Taxi,
Speaker 5: We've got a KFC in a pizza.
Speaker 2: Hut, I would like to play. We're gonna play it.
Speaker 4: Although the other part of that story is it hard
Speaker 4: locked twenty one times on them, so they couldn't even
Speaker 4: review it.
Speaker 2: They try to review it. Yeah, so sounds like a
Speaker 2: good time. Well, it's weird.
Speaker 6: It looks like it runs so well in all the trailer,
Speaker 6: I feel like we're going happening on giant bomb dot
Speaker 6: com or we're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'll do that with you.
Speaker 4: It was I got. The only thing I remember that
Speaker 4: game is in the direct uh being like Funko was
Speaker 4: fusion popped up Mike's talking. I made a joke like
Speaker 4: shut out, shut the fuck up, we're gonna respect this,
Speaker 4: and immediately it started playing and I couldn't. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this looks like shit, and it's like it was just
Speaker 4: unbelievable unmitigated ship.
Speaker 3: Do any of you own any Funko pops?
Speaker 6: I used to have a few. I think back when
Speaker 6: the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie came out. I
Speaker 6: got like all the Guardians of the Galaxy and I
Speaker 6: was like, this is neat, that's fun A slightly hot take. Look,
Speaker 6: I don't love Funko pops. I care then bought one
Speaker 6: and maybe a decade they don't upset me like they seem.
Speaker 6: I mean the thing I kind of I'll I don't know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes you'll see like an image of somebody screaming on
Speaker 5: the internet about something and there's like a literal wall,
Speaker 5: like a wall of their home made of funko pops
Speaker 5: behind them, and it's like, all right, that's kind.
Speaker 6: Of like they're definitely tacky, and I know how, I
Speaker 6: get how that happened, and like, yeah, that tackiness transfers
Speaker 6: to people own a lot of them.
Speaker 1: Sure, So here's here's one time they actually have really
Speaker 1: annoyed me. I've usually been indifferent to them. There is
Speaker 1: a wine bar like across the street from me, let's
Speaker 1: say two blocks up, and like our five listeners in Hoboken,
Speaker 1: we'll probably know where I'm talking about. Really nice Italian bar,
Speaker 1: great food. They have like twelve different kinds of briscatta.
Speaker 1: It's like they're going for the like very much going
Speaker 1: for the nice Italian.
Speaker 4: I have no idea where this story is going, but
Speaker 4: I'm very.
Speaker 1: Shy in the bar, Like half of behind the bar,
Speaker 1: next to like some really expensive Barolos and Brunello's are
Speaker 1: like one hundred funko pops on the.
Speaker 4: Show like of like Tony Soprano and Muslin.
Speaker 3: There's no there's no theme to any of them.
Speaker 1: It's there's Deadpool, there's Sonic, there's I don't know whose
Speaker 1: idea it was, but it aggravated.
Speaker 2: It's the owner's son who we can't say no to.
Speaker 6: Clearly, how many fun pops are there of people or
Speaker 6: characters that have now been canceled?
Speaker 2: Your master list is probably dot Com, the Bill Cosby one.
Speaker 2: She protects that with all her might.
Speaker 5: Who's the old guy that died recently, that did a
Speaker 5: bunch of war stuff like crimes?
Speaker 2: Oh God, damn it.
Speaker 1: Hen was he ever cancelor was it just always acknowledging
Speaker 1: that you.
Speaker 2: Were fond of him. It's weird that there's a pop
Speaker 2: of him either way, there really.
Speaker 4: Is, I don't I think.
Speaker 5: I think one guy g That's the only reason I
Speaker 5: know him.
Speaker 1: So Mike and I both into Margaritaville, were also both
Speaker 1: super gullible.
Speaker 2: Insanely gullible. All right, I'm looking at the whole.
Speaker 5: Okay, so no fictional characters obviously, Disney, Marvel, dc U,
Speaker 5: this doesn't matter, TV series line, burned Spring, Okay. Is
Speaker 5: there a Roseanne Funko pop? Oh, there can't be. She's
Speaker 5: been Uh, she's been for a while. She came back
Speaker 5: ship that show she was on the Connors enough for
Speaker 5: Funko Pop. I mean no, there's no Roseanne.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 4: I thought I thought that was I thought that was
Speaker 4: our best bet. Star Wars, Star Trek, Game of Thrones,
Speaker 4: a lot of video game stuff, No doctor disrespect, no,
Speaker 4: none of that. I just got to w W.
Speaker 2: That'll do it.
Speaker 5: Hang on hul Cogan, which you know, shockingly not as
Speaker 5: canceled as he should be, should be more.
Speaker 2: Canceled at any given time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, out of all of these wrestlers, Hogan's
Speaker 5: the closest. And he's got one Okay, so Hogan is
Speaker 5: the most He's the closest to being canceled I've seen
Speaker 5: so far.
Speaker 4: There is no Bill Cosby Funko, so no events.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at Vince. I'm looking at Vince. I found
Speaker 6: one eBay for twenty bucks. Mister McMahon, is that a
Speaker 6: custom job? It doesn't look like it even has the
Speaker 6: number number fifty three, So that's the important.
Speaker 4: Admiring from jingle all the way holding a mail bomb.
Speaker 6: Then you guys just link to eBay. But I think,
Speaker 6: I yeah, I think this is a legitimate mister McMahon.
Speaker 4: That's definitely a cancel Funk Pop Wow, Okay, that was
Speaker 4: not listed on this website of my On here.
Speaker 6: Where I see it, you can also get a mister
Speaker 6: America Dan was all.
Speaker 5: Coke was also whole coked. Well there's the way to
Speaker 5: prove that, brother.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I guess Vince.
Speaker 1: There was on my desk at game Spot for a
Speaker 1: bit when I inherited the desk from I think it
Speaker 1: was Mary, but I don't think it was her funko
Speaker 1: pop either, because it was a Lara Croft funko pop.
Speaker 5: My mom once she knows I like a big Trouble
Speaker 5: Little China, and she she likes the movie lot too,
Speaker 5: And you know, obviously she doesn't know like nerd culture
Speaker 5: or anything like that, so she would have no where.
Speaker 5: She just saw like, oh, this Jack Burton thing at
Speaker 5: a store or whatever and send it to me in
Speaker 5: San Francisco and I lived there and we're like party, like,
Speaker 5: oh thanks Mom.
Speaker 2: Party.
Speaker 4: It was like, I don't want to put a funk
Speaker 4: o pop on my desk, So it's like I just
Speaker 4: kind of kept it out of sight for a little.
Speaker 2: Bit, but just bust it out when she visits. Yeah, yeah, Hey, I.
Speaker 1: Have a couple of friends his grandma for a wedding
Speaker 1: gift sent them this like huge ass painting that they hate,
Speaker 1: and they actually put it up, like planning on putting
Speaker 1: it up in the hallway when she visits.
Speaker 6: They keep it in a classic sitcom move sitcom stuff
Speaker 6: right there.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 5: I mean, we still have your face already on our
Speaker 5: ceiling in Bannk's office.
Speaker 2: It's still it's still there, yes, awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then but the top bunk's not there anymore,
Speaker 5: so it's like way more visible now.
Speaker 3: So so I'm lording over the person sleeping even more.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, from on high et me in November.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Don't remember where that photo was from. Was that when
Speaker 1: I looked like I peed my pants a Game Informer?
Speaker 2: No? I use that one a lot.
Speaker 5: This one was you just made a stupid face while
Speaker 5: we were having fuh in Danbury, Connecticut. Oh okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: before I locked you in my basement when we streamed
Speaker 5: it hard. Can I ask you a question? Yeah, did
Speaker 5: did you watch it? Enjoy home Star Runner dot com?
Speaker 1: Yes, I've never missed a strong bed email. I was
Speaker 1: in the come on Forhoga gods always in my head.
Speaker 2: It came up with me Jeff.
Speaker 4: Jeff was like, like, I don't know him. Death was
Speaker 4: not into I'm a wary exist. I just never watched it.
Speaker 4: But Mike was like, it was huge in my high school.
Speaker 4: No one in my high school ever mentioned it once. Ever,
Speaker 4: it was huge in my dorm, like people love that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I came out.
Speaker 2: It was like a cultural keystone.
Speaker 4: I graduated in two thousand and one, so I do
Speaker 4: think it might have been a bit early.
Speaker 2: I was two, okay, then you said in the doors.
Speaker 4: Opposed three it was big, bigger scumbags who barely used
Speaker 4: the Internet from like two thousand and two to like
Speaker 4: two thousand and six, So yeah, I think that might
Speaker 4: have helped that.
Speaker 1: It was one of my after like Harry Potter dot com.
Speaker 1: I think Homestar Runner was one of my first like
Speaker 1: go to websites. I was in middle school.
Speaker 2: Were you into those Potter puppet pals too? Oh yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah? That is that the one like snape snap.
Speaker 4: I think that video at one point was the most
Speaker 4: watched YouTube video ever. You're close to it, uh once
Speaker 4: the pot time you ever watch those tiktoks where it's
Speaker 4: like a chart that like the tracks the popularity, so
Speaker 4: can watch talks you you're talking about it. I would
Speaker 4: like to see that that. You're right, that's probably is
Speaker 4: up there for a while.
Speaker 3: What were the like Touchstone?
Speaker 2: What was it?
Speaker 1: Would like be the single Touchstone comedy movie for your
Speaker 1: high school years?
Speaker 2: Uh, Lebowski?
Speaker 5: Well, no, you know what, Well Junior High it would
Speaker 5: be Austin Powers Junior High, Austin Powers High.
Speaker 2: School, Powers ace Ventura.
Speaker 6: Earlier early that Austin Powers. Probably I would be Anchorman,
Speaker 6: I think maybe. Also, uh, what's the one with Will
Speaker 6: Farrow and I Love You?
Speaker 2: Hear my? I blew old Old School popped off My.
Speaker 3: Sophomore year was super bad, like sweat swept the school.
Speaker 4: It's actually like right there. Half Bake probably would have
Speaker 4: been us right when I was graduating.
Speaker 2: I liked that Baked. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great comedy,
Speaker 2: especially when you're a teenager or whatever.
Speaker 5: You as much as I even especially when these movies
Speaker 5: came out, as much as I was a drunken, you know,
Speaker 5: dumb ass. I never found Old School or The Hangover
Speaker 5: to be particularly funny.
Speaker 2: It'll just like Old School more than Hangover. But I
Speaker 2: didn't love either.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm the opposite, but I like I like
Speaker 6: movies set in Vegas just because it kind of feels
Speaker 6: like I'm on vacation.
Speaker 2: I just like the part like, oh hey, now they're
Speaker 2: in the Caesars Palace.
Speaker 4: And that is That is why I like Ocean's eleven
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, yes, Vegas Vacation Crew here I love.
Speaker 4: Yeah, changing five hundred every time it goes into the
Speaker 4: like the casino where they played war and like I
Speaker 4: guess the number and stuff like that plays on my
Speaker 4: head in a loop.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's incredible. Still have never done Vegas.
Speaker 5: You've never been to Vegas? That shocks me. I would
Speaker 5: feel isn't like is Dice there?
Speaker 3: Sometimes this is in Lake Como, Italy this year.
Speaker 5: Oh that's until you're going.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not. I wish I was. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't get a maggot to expense two of us going.
Speaker 5: What would be the dream city for all of us?
Speaker 5: For like, okay, E threes move or Summer Games Fest
Speaker 5: is moving out of l A. And from now on
Speaker 5: for one week every summer, you're you in the entire
Speaker 5: games industry goes to.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah, you're right, it's in New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Probably for me, I don't know that I would.
Speaker 1: And I love so many people I've worked with, and
Speaker 1: E three and Summer Games West have There's been great memories.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I want to be anywhere with
Speaker 1: like that many with I like that many people there
Speaker 1: for a convention. I feel like it's going to make
Speaker 1: any place like like La for Summer Game Fest. I'm
Speaker 1: always like keyed up and anxious about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but would rather be anywhere than La kind of
Speaker 6: near skid Row.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I guess I enjoy like games Calm dream
Speaker 1: city for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it would be it wouldn't be like Paris
Speaker 1: or I think Chicago would be good.
Speaker 6: I'm just about to say maybe chicag I like Chicago centralized.
Speaker 4: I'd be with that said say Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yeaheah, yeah, yeah, I listened to you. I Chicago.
Speaker 3: I just feel like I would enjoy.
Speaker 4: It's such a It's an awesome city. Actually, it's what
Speaker 4: we were like when we were considered moving. It was
Speaker 4: like a Chicago probably too expensive, so we're think of
Speaker 4: Minneapolis or Cleveland, and we ended up going to Cleveland
Speaker 4: because it was the most affordable. But then right after
Speaker 4: that we took a family vacation to Chicago, and I
Speaker 4: really fell in love that because it's it is a
Speaker 4: big city, but it's still very Midwest. But it has everything.
Speaker 4: It has all the cultures. Every ten feet there's another
Speaker 4: awesome restaurant. There's so much stadium, there's medieval times. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's fun stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: On the west what's that called West Point here or whatever.
Speaker 2: The y Yeah, awesome, amazing. I love going to see
Speaker 2: just a real city in a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: I think my wife's convinced once I see it, I'll
Speaker 1: never want to leave. She thinks that it will resonate
Speaker 1: with me, and I think like two siblings. A few
Speaker 1: uncles have told me it, and they meant this in
Speaker 1: the like in the highest form of a compliment, that
Speaker 1: it's like the most American city they've been to, Like
Speaker 1: it feels like it can be salt of the earth.
Speaker 1: It feels like a lot of their favorite restaurants and
Speaker 1: bars are like divy but like a lot of character.
Speaker 2: It's got.
Speaker 4: It's got like it is very American, and then it's
Speaker 4: also extremely multicultural, and it's awesome at both.
Speaker 2: It's really cool.
Speaker 3: A lot of Irish people that I know.
Speaker 5: I was impressed by Mahrdy and Mary and some friends
Speaker 5: in Pland recently, and I had never been there before,
Speaker 5: and like we weren't like downtown or anything like that.
Speaker 5: We were just kind of like hanging out and like
Speaker 5: I don't know if you call it a suburban area,
Speaker 5: but lots of like no that tyburns and breakfast places
Speaker 5: and it's great.
Speaker 1: That was like that was Portland but yeah, correct, not downtown,
Speaker 1: but it was still the city.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Portland's awesome. We we were only there for
Speaker 2: a few hours.
Speaker 1: Before we went farther up into the Columbia gorge but
Speaker 1: extremely nice like natural environments right outside the city. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of cities have that, but this kind
Speaker 1: of it like dissolves into it as opposed to like
Speaker 1: city and then outskirts gorgeous like gardens and all the houses.
Speaker 1: It's the Rose City after all. Yeah, it's awesome there, Yeah, beautiful.
Speaker 1: Definitely want to check it out sometime. I like Seattle
Speaker 1: a lot, which is another Northwestern city. I assume it's
Speaker 1: them alert it's bigger, and it's Seattle is more. Seattle
Speaker 1: is definitely more like tail bars, like artisanal coffee shops.
Speaker 2: It's like the most college in the right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Portland definitely feels more I and people from
Speaker 1: Portland can well correct me if this is way off,
Speaker 1: but it If this means anything to you, guys, it
Speaker 1: feels like a big astoria at Queen's.
Speaker 5: College town post college, like if the vibe of your
Speaker 5: like college like hippie college town continued into adulthood.
Speaker 2: Basically killer pace than Seattle. In my exterest, do you
Speaker 2: have hippie college towns like? Yeah? Ye.
Speaker 4: Hell Yellow Springs, Ohio, where Dave Chappelle lives, is a
Speaker 4: famous like hippie college town that people around here hang
Speaker 4: out too, And I bet Portland's very similar to that,
Speaker 4: and anyone from Ohio, most people from Ohio will know
Speaker 4: what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: One really quick, cool fun fact about Portland. Uh, back
Speaker 1: in the day when it was still stumptown, it started
Speaker 1: as a logging town.
Speaker 3: Two people who had like the rights to the plot.
Speaker 1: One was from Portland, Maine, one was from Boston, Massachusetts,
Speaker 1: and they were trying they're arguing about what they wanted
Speaker 1: to call it when it was being incorporated, and both
Speaker 1: of them wanted to name it after their home hometown,
Speaker 1: so they decided on Portland after flipping a coin.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, yea Springfield and Shelby.
Speaker 6: That's interesting because it's it's a boring name, right, It's
Speaker 6: just like, well, what are we got in this land?
Speaker 2: Ports? All right? There you go, and it's it's not
Speaker 2: even on the ocean.
Speaker 6: It's a river port, Right's they at their a land
Speaker 6: that had ports. It doesn't even make sense here anymore.
Speaker 4: You guys. Ever see you a basketball?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 4: And one of the best bits in that is when
Speaker 4: they talk about all the teams moved around where like
Speaker 4: La moved to Lakers where there are no lakes, and
Speaker 4: the jazz moved to Utah where they don't allow music.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's but yeah, New Orleans also be great. I
Speaker 2: still have not been to New Orleans either.
Speaker 5: Oh I'd love to go to New Orleans. All I've
Speaker 5: been there like five or six times. Now you say this,
Speaker 5: I've never been to New Orleans. Why do you like
Speaker 5: it so much? I'm not Gauley, but I'm curious. Okay, Like,
Speaker 5: you know, people like to go to like Vegas and
Speaker 5: it's just like, okay, it's you know, party, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just like kind of you know, glitz and glamour.
Speaker 5: And drinking and everything casinos and all that, like New Orleans.
Speaker 5: Like I've never understood why somebody would prefer going to
Speaker 5: like a Vegas over in New Orleans if you just
Speaker 5: want to have like a fun, drinky time with friends,
Speaker 5: you know, because like New Orleans has you know, Bourbon
Speaker 5: Street and Frenchman Street and all these incredible places to
Speaker 5: drink with like history and like this is this is
Speaker 5: a Lafite's blacksmith shop. It's the oldest running bar in
Speaker 5: the country. And pirate literal shoot. Pirates used to fucking
Speaker 5: drink there and it's still lit by candlelight and it's
Speaker 5: it's just fucking awesome, this old stone ass building. That's
Speaker 5: it's one of my favorite places on Bourbon Street, and
Speaker 5: it's just such a great place to walk around and drink.
Speaker 5: There's this live music everywhere. So I'm not even a
Speaker 5: big live music guy, but when you're just walking down
Speaker 5: a street and everyone's having a good time and you
Speaker 5: just hear just like jazz coming out of different you know,
Speaker 5: windows and stuff like that, it's such a fun, like
Speaker 5: kind of partyish atmosphere, which you could do the Bourbon
Speaker 5: Street thing. I think if you go, you should do
Speaker 5: one night on Bourbon Street and just see that as
Speaker 5: like the tourist crazy, like everyone's there and way too
Speaker 5: drunk and things like that. But then when you go
Speaker 5: off the beaten path and there's so many fun little things,
Speaker 5: like Frenchman Street is like Bourbon Street for locals, they
Speaker 5: say where it's like much more low key, but a
Speaker 5: ton of cool little places they eat and drink and
Speaker 5: live music. There's just got like real like culture and
Speaker 5: the food is fucking incredible there, and everyone just seems
Speaker 5: kind of have like just real people or it's like, I
Speaker 5: don't know, Vegas has a certain like slime over it,
Speaker 5: you know, it's just a little.
Speaker 2: It's the way. Yeah, it's just like I don't know.
Speaker 5: You you go to New Orleans and it's just like,
Speaker 5: I mean, this is just a lot of real people
Speaker 5: that are celebrating this cool city that's got a lot
Speaker 5: of history and doesn't feel like any other city in
Speaker 5: the country.
Speaker 4: So it does sound like similar to Nashville, but Nashville
Speaker 4: would be obviously more country music than jazz, and I
Speaker 4: think I would prefer the jazz.
Speaker 1: Yes, Yeah, I went to Nashville for the first time
Speaker 1: last year, and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: We did.
Speaker 1: We did the one day on Broadway with like all
Speaker 1: the big garage door country bars, but then we found
Speaker 1: a few like hole in the wall cocktail spots that
Speaker 1: were great.
Speaker 4: Did you code switch? Did you put on cowboy boots
Speaker 4: and a cowboy hat?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I was dressed for a wedding most of the time, okay,
Speaker 1: at which there were no cowboy boots.
Speaker 2: Sure. I was one of the.
Speaker 1: Most opulent weddings I've ever been to. They rented out
Speaker 1: like the entire Nashville Symphony Hall.
Speaker 2: Who that's crazy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was nuts.
Speaker 1: And then of course, like two hours later I was
Speaker 1: just destroying a fried chicken sandwich.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Good food there, Yeah, both poles. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Ever a place to to spend like three or four
Speaker 5: days or more, go to New Orleans. It's And did
Speaker 5: you ever watch Wild on e Yes?
Speaker 4: Okay, look, look we talked about two thousand and two,
Speaker 4: two thousand and three. Brooke Burke was a thing, and
Speaker 4: many people, most people, most people didn't watch it. But
Speaker 4: I think it was like you would see you you
Speaker 4: would see the commercials for what was the ones where
Speaker 4: the girls would take their shirts off?
Speaker 2: That was girls Gone wild Girl's Gone Wild, and.
Speaker 4: It's like, Wow, I'm not gonna be able to get
Speaker 4: them a.
Speaker 5: Teenager classy girls, like basically documentary. It's a documentary about
Speaker 5: where people happened to be drinking by an ocean and
Speaker 5: they would do like every other.
Speaker 4: Episode would be in New Orleans, and I'm.
Speaker 5: Like, it looked like a lot of things ONNAK, but
Speaker 5: hosted by someone who's the opposite of David tel exactly.
Speaker 4: Yes, a carpork, which doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
Speaker 5: I'll see like brook Brooks and those like sketchers slip
Speaker 5: on ads now and every time I see it, I'm
Speaker 5: just like. She was on Every Dude's Wall in two
Speaker 5: thousand and two and used.
Speaker 2: A voice of me for Speed Underground Too.
Speaker 4: She won a Spike Video Game Award for her performance
Speaker 4: in The Sounds That Era.
Speaker 2: Yep, Yep.
Speaker 4: The Steven Soderbergh's wife actually was one of the hosts
Speaker 4: of that eventually. I can't remember her name, but she
Speaker 4: wrote like secretly wrote Logan Lucky, which is one of
Speaker 4: my favorite movies.
Speaker 5: Oh that's the Daniel Craig right, Yes, that movie rules.
Speaker 3: She secretly wrote it.
Speaker 4: Yes, like she she did it under a pen name,
Speaker 4: and I think it's like Rebecca Blund or something, but
Speaker 4: that's not her her real name. But she's married to
Speaker 4: Steven Soderberg and although everyone's like no, she totally helped
Speaker 4: him write this movie.
Speaker 2: So yeah, pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Every time I hear Steven Soderbergh, I weirdly get him
Speaker 1: mixed up with Paul W. S Anderson because both of
Speaker 1: them have names that I confuse with a better director.
Speaker 4: Well they're wait, no, who's the better director?
Speaker 5: Wait, Paul W. S Is the Mortal Combat and Event
Speaker 5: Horizon him with Paul.
Speaker 1: Thomas Anderson, who's a better director, And with Spielberg.
Speaker 4: I like both of them for different reasons. Yeah, they're
Speaker 4: very different. Soberg is kind of amazing better, better movie.
Speaker 4: I mean, no, okay, so what else did he do?
Speaker 4: He did that unsane movie, that.
Speaker 2: Ocean. You're trying to argue.
Speaker 1: That Soderberg is better than Spielberg and you can't even
Speaker 1: remember more than Ocean's eleven and.
Speaker 2: I have a terrible memory.
Speaker 5: All the Oceans. Aaron Brockovich, He's done Magic Mike, out
Speaker 5: of Sight, with the Jennifer Lopez and George Cloone.
Speaker 4: You definitely watched the catage in ten times during the pandemic,
Speaker 4: just like.
Speaker 3: Me a way of processing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, cagin is that is there a monkey in contagion?
Speaker 4: You're thinking an outbreak school.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. Yeah, we did Pleasantville. I've seen pleasant Ville.
Speaker 2: I say Pleasantville. Okay, there we go. That's the movies, Okay.
Speaker 4: Steve Schielburg's obviously, like like all times, it's not fair
Speaker 4: to compare anybody.
Speaker 2: It's it's a little unfair. Yeah. Director.
Speaker 5: Last night, Bonk and I watched True Lies and neither
Speaker 5: of us remembered anything about it. We were like kids
Speaker 5: when we last saw it, and goddamn of James Cameron.
Speaker 5: Like we looked at James Cameron's IMDb afterwards.
Speaker 2: I think he's just the best at making movies.
Speaker 5: He only makes the biggest movies ever, Like his fucking
Speaker 5: whole track record since like the Abyss in eighty seven
Speaker 5: or whatever. It's like, oh, okay, it's or Terminators before that, Terminator,
Speaker 5: Terminator to the Abyss, the Avatars, whatever you think from Titan.
Speaker 3: Aliens, Aliens, I should say something Aliens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was.
Speaker 4: He would be like an assistant director and he would
Speaker 4: do things on sets where it was like, Okay, we
Speaker 4: have to make this blob of flesh look like it's moving.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go get some wire and rip it apart,
Speaker 4: plug it into the wall, and electrocute it. Will film
Speaker 4: that and everyone's like, what the fuck is this guy doing?
Speaker 4: Like no one understood it, and they saw it. It was
Speaker 4: an incredible shot, and it's like he's just that guy
Speaker 4: where he can think up anything. He did like all
Speaker 4: of the concept art for a lot of his early movies.
Speaker 4: Like he's just the most talented person. And then he
Speaker 4: makes popcorn flicks, which I just couldn't respect more.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the thing is, Like I remember I was
Speaker 5: looking up True Lives production and it was the first
Speaker 5: movie to go over one hundred million dollars on budget,
Speaker 5: and it wound up making like over four hundred million.
Speaker 5: And I remember as a kid, I was debscribing to
Speaker 5: Entertainment Weekly and reading about budgets and box office and
Speaker 5: everything about Titanic was it's wildly over budget.
Speaker 4: It's a they were stunting on that, and they're like
Speaker 4: dunking on it constantly. This is going to be a
Speaker 4: Travis It's gonna be the real life Titanic. This is
Speaker 4: gonna be the movie version of the actual titan You
Speaker 4: go to him every time they did with Avatar and
Speaker 4: Avatar two, and they always make the most.
Speaker 2: And no cultural significance. No one's gonna see the sequel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the sequel with but I think titic was the
Speaker 4: one the worst, Like everyone thought it was gonna be
Speaker 4: the worst, and then it was the number one movie ever.
Speaker 4: And it's just like I think from that point, I
Speaker 4: was like, take as long as you need, take as
Speaker 4: much money as you need. It's gonna be fine. And
Speaker 4: then they but they still doubted him for Avatar and
Speaker 4: Avatar too. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: You can't anymore, right, Yeah, the guy build well, the
Speaker 1: guy builds his own submarines that can go explore the Titanic. Now,
Speaker 1: I think he's just got one of those like genius
Speaker 1: engineer minds and like to make it.
Speaker 2: I think like he comes.
Speaker 1: Up obviously I don't know the guy, but he comes
Speaker 1: up and like he has to make a huge movie.
Speaker 1: He's like, Okay, this is no different than making this
Speaker 1: very complex submarine. It's a problem to solve.
Speaker 2: And he's good.
Speaker 4: He's really good at characterization at the same time because
Speaker 4: he like worked blue cowar jobs growing up and things
Speaker 4: like that. He was a truck driver when he saw
Speaker 4: Star Wars and he's like, I gotta quit and go
Speaker 4: make movies or I'm gonna die.
Speaker 2: Like that's how he felt.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Okay, this is just my guy making the
Speaker 4: kinds of movies I like.
Speaker 5: Well, and when he was with Catherine Bigelow, he was
Speaker 5: like executive producer and writing like point Break and Strange
Speaker 5: Days and Catherine Biglow's awesome shit she was making over there,
Speaker 5: like god damn, like.
Speaker 2: Toast time, he seems Strange Days.
Speaker 4: Because it was not anywhere years ago, you couldn't stream
Speaker 4: it for a while, did you like buy the Blu
Speaker 4: ray or something.
Speaker 5: I think it was streaming when we watched it like
Speaker 5: a year ago, and it was years ago.
Speaker 2: I was looking for it and I couldn't find it.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 5: It was very good. I had not heard much about it.
Speaker 5: And I remember it was around the time Phantom Liberty
Speaker 5: was coming out, the cyberpunk thing, because like the brain
Speaker 5: dance stuff in cyberpunk is so just what Strange Days is. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, has a lot of that stuff in it.
Speaker 5: So we watched it around that point and we were
Speaker 5: both like, holy shit, she's awesome.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, holy shit, I did not know that
Speaker 1: she did. K nineteen The Widow Maker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and zero thirty one of the better submarine movies.
Speaker 1: Yeap, wait is that it's Oh man, is that the
Speaker 1: one with the nuclear core? What are you thinking of thee?
Speaker 1: No nuclear core in the summary is a nuclear subon?
Speaker 4: I never saw that one that I think, Well, K
Speaker 4: nineteen probably wouldn't because that sounds like a Russian one
Speaker 4: and I don't know if they'd ever had a nuclear submarine.
Speaker 1: Reactor cool and pipe burst control rods. Yeah, maybe this
Speaker 1: movie fucked with me.
Speaker 4: Harrison Ford one, Yes, Yeah, was a very good one.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The reactor core like is like melting down and they
Speaker 1: have to go in in like pairs with protection.
Speaker 3: That's really nice, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The end, they're all just like dying of the worst
Speaker 1: poisoning you can get in the in like the barracks.
Speaker 1: And then at the like I forget how many people
Speaker 1: were in the crew, and you know there's three people
Speaker 1: alive at the end that go to the ground the cemetery.
Speaker 2: That movie messed with me.
Speaker 1: I saw that way too young, But I was gonna
Speaker 1: say it's funny that Catherine Bigelow has done stuff like
Speaker 1: Point Break, but then she kind of took up the
Speaker 1: mantle as the chronicler of Bush's war, like yeah, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: or I don't know if Bush.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she's made some awesome movies.
Speaker 4: We mentioned submarine movies and that set me off. Do
Speaker 4: you guys have favorite submarine movies?
Speaker 2: I don't think oct Periscope? Down is Periscope? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: that's my favorite one. Actually, that's it's also great. Uh.
Speaker 4: The thing about submarines, especially in nuclear submarines, is they
Speaker 4: could stay down for at this point years.
Speaker 2: Except for they need food.
Speaker 4: That is the only thing that causes them have to
Speaker 4: come back to the surface. Now they screw the oxygen.
Speaker 4: The nuclear reactor can last for years. Everything else is
Speaker 4: taken care of, so they could stay down to hydroponics
Speaker 4: farm or something on the submarine.
Speaker 5: Now like popcorn, because that's tiny, and then it gets bigger.
Speaker 4: They probably are coming up with a lot of solutions,
Speaker 4: but amount of calories.
Speaker 3: I'm call up the Secretary of State.
Speaker 4: I got therecorn, it's lit on and it gets bigger.
Speaker 4: You never in a billion tubs have you ever bought
Speaker 4: a tub of popcorn here that they're for, Like, wow,
Speaker 4: I feel full in binger for four years, I lived
Speaker 4: up energy.
Speaker 2: Jed, let's go drive a nuclear sub right now.
Speaker 3: Let's go Missile Moscow. I'm ready to go.
Speaker 4: I think it probably goes It probably goes Dot's Boot
Speaker 4: and then I really like Hunt for the Right October.
Speaker 4: But I think it's probably Crimson Tides number two. Have
Speaker 4: you guys ever seen Crimson recently? And I didn't really
Speaker 4: get it? Really be so good?
Speaker 6: Atlantis The Lost Empire or disneyse twenty Thousand Leagues under
Speaker 6: the Sea.
Speaker 3: Oh Atlantis, I really really?
Speaker 2: They liked, Yeah, that's actually a good movie. Does Spear count?
Speaker 2: I love Sphere?
Speaker 4: Sure, I'll give you spear all right. Spear is my favorite.
Speaker 4: It's like the sphere where all the body organs are going.
Speaker 4: You guys talked about.
Speaker 5: No Spear, No Spear is Michael Crichton about the alien
Speaker 5: sphere underwater.
Speaker 2: It's really fun. I think the abyss also counts.
Speaker 4: While it's you know there, yes, yes, and that's like
Speaker 4: all that underwater stuff. There are obviously somemarines in there,
Speaker 4: but it's about a submersible drilling rig and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: I need like a wacky alien thing going on or
Speaker 5: a weird goo monster like abyss or sphere, like I
Speaker 5: need something beyond just like it's underwater.
Speaker 4: What if they were spaceships instead, and they were kind
Speaker 4: of had like dealing with the same things with.
Speaker 2: Their aliens trying to kill them.
Speaker 4: What if it's just other humans in spaceships. Why are
Speaker 4: the spaceships in the ocean? No, No, what if they're
Speaker 4: in space instead, like because like a space.
Speaker 3: Like spaceships in a hostile environment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's okay, So I think it may have.
Speaker 2: Just alien Yeah. I love these.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but those space ships are basically just the same
Speaker 4: things as submarine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but there's like fun fiction. It's not just like
Speaker 5: politics and military.
Speaker 2: You know, I promise you most of the things he'd
Speaker 2: submarine movies are fiction. I think a real accurate Submary
Speaker 2: movie would be very boring.
Speaker 5: Yeah, raised on like Cold War intrigue, and I don't
Speaker 5: really know anything about that.
Speaker 4: Like, okay, I've got metal gear.
Speaker 2: I'm fine.
Speaker 1: Was the Cold War when they opened that portal to
Speaker 1: Hell and then they started out just like.
Speaker 4: I can tell you about the quack talking about Joseph
Speaker 4: McCarthy and Hugh ac and fucking all that ship.
Speaker 2: I could go into the Cold War.
Speaker 3: I know you just said they have pigs.
Speaker 4: Shake Guavara, Which is this stuff you're pulling from, like
Speaker 4: the clips in metal gear?
Speaker 2: Like where's this coming from?
Speaker 5: I listened to Rage Against the Machine a lot in
Speaker 5: high school and read some like Shag Guavara books, and uh, yeah, listen,
Speaker 5: I listened to a lot of Rage the Machine. Sure
Speaker 5: I need to start reading the Communist Manifesto. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go to this. I'm gonna spend my Saturday nights.
Speaker 4: In high school at Borders reading you got you gotta
Speaker 4: read us capital instead.
Speaker 2: Sure, we're gonna get you a lot further.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I remember there was that I forget who
Speaker 1: it was. That political uh megaphone of a human I
Speaker 1: forget it was saying like Tom Morello had tweeted something. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then he said, like, go back to writing music.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be political, was it?
Speaker 4: H It was like Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson, Yeah, we're
Speaker 4: going to be happy to talk of.
Speaker 1: Their songs are about how how fucked up Vietnam was
Speaker 1: Agent of Orange, Yeah, Priest of Hiroshima.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: They who is the Romney's running mate was a Paul
Speaker 5: Ryan that like the guy with the goofy like weightlifting pictures.
Speaker 2: Paul Ryan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like a huge rate. He's like, what's
Speaker 4: your lifting music? And he's like, I love Rage.
Speaker 5: Against the machines like you yeah, this guy. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 5: getting political again.
Speaker 3: Yea born in the USA for his campaign.
Speaker 4: Sure, yes, I just saw a video of Rachegan's machine
Speaker 4: like in like in somewhere like two thousand and nine.
Speaker 4: They made one of their songs number one in the
Speaker 4: UK because fans didn't want the X Factor guy to
Speaker 4: like win the number one. It was killing the name
Speaker 4: of Yes, and it's that they use. Whoever has number
Speaker 4: one gets to perform on the BBC for like a Christmas.
Speaker 2: Special and they're like, please just don't swear.
Speaker 4: And then he's like, oh, I won't do what you
Speaker 4: tell me, and he's not and he's I won't do
Speaker 4: what you tell me, and then he just turns to
Speaker 4: the camera and flicks it off and just goes fuck you,
Speaker 4: I won't do what you tell me, like twenty times.
Speaker 5: It rules. It's so great. They also got kicked off
Speaker 5: SNL like back in the Early.
Speaker 4: Night and the guy climbed on the VMA like statues
Speaker 4: and stuff now to celebrate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but days and no movie gonna be good. I
Speaker 2: saw the trailer for that before.
Speaker 5: Probably it's got a like a focus at least on like, oh,
Speaker 5: it's just like the minutes leading up to the first broadcast.
Speaker 5: I normally don't like that like kind of biopic or like, uh,
Speaker 5: dramatization type stuff. But like if it's just like, hey,
Speaker 5: here's like the ninety minutes before the first show went
Speaker 5: on the air, that's a little more roading. It's a
Speaker 5: good question. What's it called? Is it Saturday Night.
Speaker 1: Seven minutes to air? Seven minutes to air or something?
Speaker 1: Are twenty Saturday Night said, I'm thinking of that. What
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of that documentary are my mistake by H J.
Speaker 4: Ramon.
Speaker 1: Okay, what else did Jason Raymond do? Besides he did
Speaker 1: Up in the Air right, Oh.
Speaker 4: That was Ghostbusters Afterlife. So he's not the good like
Speaker 4: a Nepo's son. There's the one that did what's the
Speaker 4: Jungle Book? Not Jungle Book Jumanji. Those new Jumanji movies
Speaker 4: is done by Nepo. Baby, those are really good. Jason
Speaker 4: Raymond did Ghostbusters Afterlife, and I don't think he's very good.
Speaker 5: Jason Raymond did thank you for smoking, which I remember
Speaker 5: being pretty good, you know, which looked bad.
Speaker 2: Up in the Air I liked, you know, in the
Speaker 2: Air is okay? I like up in the air. Up
Speaker 2: in the Air is good. Yeah. It looks like he
Speaker 2: works with a lot.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think George Clooney does a lot of the
Speaker 4: heavy lifting on up in the Air.
Speaker 2: Okay. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: George Clooney's counterpart in that movie is the psychiatrist from
Speaker 1: the Department.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's Italian? Am I figuring it out? You're getting it, dude,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm proud.
Speaker 2: Well done? Are you?
Speaker 6: Has Dan been learning to like, oh my god, this
Speaker 6: exists on the other timeline. Yeah, Dan was like, uh,
Speaker 6: surprised to find out that I, Mike Minatti am Italian
Speaker 6: and his friend Vinnie Caravella was Italian.
Speaker 2: That was surprise Italian. It's nice. I'll say it again.
Speaker 5: It's not that I didn't know, it's just that I
Speaker 5: never thought about it.
Speaker 3: Dan doesn't see color, guys.
Speaker 1: He tells us this all the time, and that includes
Speaker 1: that includes last names.
Speaker 3: But like, my last name is pretty obvious, where.
Speaker 5: I would not agree only because I know your family
Speaker 5: and I've heard you talk about being Irish a bunch like,
Speaker 5: I know you're Irish.
Speaker 4: I gotta I got even with someone who definitely has
Speaker 4: like a lot of Scottish heritage. I conflate Scottish and
Speaker 4: Irish quite frust Yeah. Yeah, I just got to remember
Speaker 4: that screwsged Big Duck is Scottish. Shamous is Irish, Yeah,
Speaker 4: Shamus is Irish. McIntyre is.
Speaker 5: We're normally I can Finally we're over the fifty percent
Speaker 5: wrestling where I could talk wrestling on fires game and
Speaker 5: hope people.
Speaker 4: A probably congratulations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Finley was I Finley was my favorite Irish wrestler. Finley.
Speaker 6: Look, if you're holding a chilele, you're Irish. Yeah, I
Speaker 6: should get a Chile.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I could pick a Chile out
Speaker 4: of a police lineup. I don't know what two thousand like.
Speaker 1: They look like a the handle is curved, but they
Speaker 1: look like a cricket club.
Speaker 5: Oh, you don't have to tell me. I've seen them
Speaker 5: determine the ending of many matches. I just didn't know
Speaker 5: if you do.
Speaker 2: It's just the top part of a cave.
Speaker 1: Basically, my grandpa doesn't have like four of them mountainized
Speaker 1: wall between a bunch of other.
Speaker 4: Did he hit you with them?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: This is this is the venue where I would admit
Speaker 3: that my grandpa.
Speaker 2: Abused me dog holding or is it like he is
Speaker 2: a cane? No, that's a isn't just a cane. It's
Speaker 2: just a cane. Okay. I think Chile's are Irish, definitely
Speaker 2: Irish yet s h I L.
Speaker 4: L wait wait wait wait wait no, no, damn Dan,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't get this in a fucking spelling bee because
Speaker 4: that sounds like a proper now and there's no way
Speaker 4: Shi Lee would be not a proper nown.
Speaker 3: It's Irish or Irish Gaelic.
Speaker 5: And I will go into this thinking I'm going to
Speaker 5: get it wrong, and I never think.
Speaker 3: Okay, Gaelic Gaelic is very hard, but.
Speaker 4: It is very difficult. That's why I'm no. Okay. Already
Speaker 4: I knew I was gonna be fucked on that one. Yeah,
Speaker 4: s H I L L E L A g h Oh,
Speaker 4: there's no fucking way. I only learned this because I
Speaker 4: tried to google it and I spelled it very wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at this picture of Lay's there's a Dan. Have
Speaker 1: you been to swift here in the East Village, the
Speaker 1: Irish pub.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've taken me there.
Speaker 1: Problem, yeah, a bunch of it's they've got a bunch
Speaker 1: of street signs from Ireland behind the bar. And like
Speaker 1: my middle name, half of my family's middle names are
Speaker 1: like our Gaelic.
Speaker 2: It makes no sense to me, but I tried to signs.
Speaker 2: It's like Irish.
Speaker 4: Irish, the Irish language basically okay, they're Scottish Gapelic as well.
Speaker 1: They're sort of similar but also very different. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's so hard for me to read, I think
Speaker 1: for most people. But the street signs. I asked the bartender,
Speaker 1: I'm like, am I close? He's like, no, none at all.
Speaker 4: Dan, Why do you think people in Ireland and Scotland
Speaker 4: speak English? Because they're close to England That's part of it,
Speaker 4: that's not.
Speaker 5: But why would be close to England maybe be a problem?
Speaker 5: Did England own them and force them to learn English?
Speaker 2: Own is? Yeah?
Speaker 4: The way they like didn't like one own Canada? Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean I did at one point. Like it's now
Speaker 4: part of the they have the Queen on their money, commonwealth,
Speaker 4: Yeah right, it's part of the Commonala thank you. Yes,
Speaker 4: they treated Ireland and Scotland very poorly.
Speaker 2: Woke up.
Speaker 4: Have you seen the MELI like.
Speaker 5: You were alive from Wait? Are they affiliated now?
Speaker 1: No, Ireland's not part of the UK anymore. Sorry, Northern
Speaker 1: Ireland's part of the UK because Ireland the troubles in
Speaker 1: the nineties, like not just the nineties came to a head.
Speaker 1: That's called the Troubles. It's a very eerie name. But
Speaker 1: Catholics and Protestants in Ireland were divided because many of
Speaker 1: the Protestants, largely from Northern Ireland, were loyal.
Speaker 2: To the crown. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then you know, the Republic of Ireland was largely
Speaker 1: Catholic and wanted to not be under their thumb. And
Speaker 1: it caused a whole lot of ship and terrorism both sides.
Speaker 2: Terrorism.
Speaker 1: Both sides were like to be clear, it wasn't like
Speaker 1: good and bad, but both sides were being uh bombs.
Speaker 5: No, I know enough of this because I know there
Speaker 5: was a drink that was very popular.
Speaker 1: You get in this context you can say the Irish
Speaker 1: car bomb came from then it's you wouldn't order an
Speaker 1: Irish car bomb, right, we.
Speaker 4: Should say, if you're from Ireland and you want to
Speaker 4: make fun of nine, then we give you permisison cause
Speaker 4: we're gonna talk about Irish car bombs for a second,
Speaker 4: so just go have your fun.
Speaker 5: Like that relates to some historical thing I don't know about,
Speaker 5: but I'm just not going to say it.
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, it's definitely don't say it in Ireland.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, no, it's it's not. I'm just saying like,
Speaker 1: but you can, like in the context we're talking about. Yes,
Speaker 1: the the name of however very distasteful it is.
Speaker 4: It came from came from the little terists. Yes, you
Speaker 4: should never drinks after terrorism. If I went into a
Speaker 4: bar and it's something called the Oklahoma City bomb, I
Speaker 4: would order it.
Speaker 2: It's kind of you just call it like the McVeigh.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's pretty good too. Yeah drink.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm glad you're catching on to people's last names.
Speaker 1: Well maybe it's not really Maybe better you're not just
Speaker 1: assuming people like reading their last thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you still have to be careful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just it's not that I have a strategy
Speaker 5: for this. It's just it doesn't ever. I don't ever
Speaker 5: think about it. It's just like I don't know all
Speaker 5: we were all Belgian grown up and no one never
Speaker 5: made it. Somebody to be like, oh, record must be
Speaker 5: this or that, and like, I don't know if it
Speaker 5: was just.
Speaker 4: Some of them are just easier than as I think generally,
Speaker 4: picking out Italian names is considered probably easy mode of
Speaker 4: identifying people's heritage, basically right.
Speaker 2: And going into my head.
Speaker 5: I think if you had told me months ago, like
Speaker 5: what do you think Manati is, you know, I would
Speaker 5: probably say it.
Speaker 2: I'd get there, but I had never thought of it before.
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up well, Syracuse was largely Italian
Speaker 1: and Irish and some Ukrainian, so like we grew up
Speaker 1: with very all my friends mainly growing up were of
Speaker 1: Italian descent, so it was easy to pick that out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, same for me in a twenty four mile north
Speaker 4: of Detroit. It was huge Italian culture in Albanian yep.
Speaker 6: I think it's of Italians in Northeast Ohio, including me.
Speaker 6: I think where I grew up just had no identity.
Speaker 6: What's like the suburbs of Kansas City was like, I
Speaker 6: don't know, I'm half German, half Belgian, and like I
Speaker 6: didn't know what any of my friends where. I never
Speaker 6: heard any of my friends talk about their heritage or anything.
Speaker 5: We're all Catholic. Everyone was just Catholic, that's all I know.
Speaker 6: They had to do like we had like heritage week
Speaker 6: in like middle school. We all had to do like
Speaker 6: a book report on like one of our parents, like
Speaker 6: where they came from, things like that.
Speaker 4: If everyone was Catholic, though they were probably quite a
Speaker 4: few Irish and Italian.
Speaker 5: If that was the police, it just probably never come up.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, that's actually the probably the most default scenario. Yeah,
Speaker 4: or Polish, Yeah yeah, most most It probably just wouldn't
Speaker 4: come up in the suburbs of America really, sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was our that's the politics section I mentioned.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we did it. Think we're three any history. Well,
Speaker 1: so we'll see in the emails next week how many
Speaker 1: people we pissed off.
Speaker 2: Most of them we won't be here. That's your problem.
Speaker 1: In Irish passport, so that I could be like, oh
Speaker 1: I can I can talk about this stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm Irish now there you go. I heard I could
Speaker 2: do that with Italy. Also, they just opened Italy just
Speaker 2: opened it up to great grandchildren. I believe now I'm
Speaker 2: just grandchildren.
Speaker 3: Ireland and Italy are now at least grandchildren children.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'd like that. I like how
Speaker 4: I immediately him gate keeping.
Speaker 2: One of the people. Where was Grana from Rome really
Speaker 2: adopted adopted in room? Yeah?
Speaker 6: Uh, fought in World War two or the Italians, big
Speaker 6: Mussolini guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Shortly after that, came to America. Yep. How would
Speaker 2: that transition go?
Speaker 6: I wonder pretty I mean, I think he liked it
Speaker 6: much better here. You know example, like I said, you know,
Speaker 6: there were there are a ton of Italians. He had
Speaker 6: some family that was already here, but it was pretty easy,
Speaker 6: and steel mills were very plentiful in this area, so
Speaker 6: it's very easy to just get a well paying job
Speaker 6: in the steel mills almost immediately.
Speaker 2: And then from that he started huge Italian culture in
Speaker 2: that area. Yes, did he go through New York?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he went on through and then straight to Ohio
Speaker 6: because he had family and friends there. Straight to Ohio
Speaker 6: because he already had some people here that he knew,
Speaker 6: right exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my grandpa did a transition.
Speaker 1: My grandpa Ellis Island was closed for like one of
Speaker 1: the few times it had for whatever reason, So he
Speaker 1: went through Brooklyn, per A and he hung out here
Speaker 1: for a bit and worked on he worked construction, and
Speaker 1: then he eventually went at to Syracuse with my grandma
Speaker 1: after they had they had they had met and then
Speaker 1: went to this like Irish heritage dance in Brooklyn, and
Speaker 1: then like she told him at the dance that she
Speaker 1: was moving up to a place called Syracuse, and then
Speaker 1: like a week later they decided to go together, and
Speaker 1: then they got I had eleven kids.
Speaker 2: Oh man, very sweet. Now we're all getting Irish citizenship.
Speaker 2: Ireland doesn't know what's coming. Very bad move.
Speaker 4: That upstate New York vibes that upstate New York, I
Speaker 4: guess I never really know it.
Speaker 3: Yes, central New York.
Speaker 1: But if you're like in New York City and you
Speaker 1: say upstate, most people think you mean like Westchester Yonkers.
Speaker 1: But I'm way upstate, not quite Messina or Plattsburgh, but
Speaker 1: I'm central. It's like literally in the center. However, center
Speaker 1: you can be in a weird shaped state.
Speaker 4: How far are you from Binghampton, a nor How far
Speaker 4: are you two hours north? How about Utica? An hour
Speaker 4: west of Utica?
Speaker 2: Holiday Valley? I don't know it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a ski resort in state of New York
Speaker 4: that I really like what Melan. I don't have no idea.
Speaker 4: I just got I've got put on a bus and
Speaker 4: we went there. I had no ideas and probably.
Speaker 6: Must have been wait, wait a second, what It would
Speaker 6: be pretty good content for something. Dan and I went
Speaker 6: skiing for the first thing I've always wanted to.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes you could just come in here.
Speaker 2: They're skiing all around me.
Speaker 1: Here's have you guys noticed this? Maybe or maybe you
Speaker 1: all do this? I love any time any kind of
Speaker 1: trip comes up, Dan immediately just tries to make it
Speaker 1: happen in Minneapolis.
Speaker 5: Every other country this whole summer. I just want to
Speaker 5: stay in Minnesota for I don't want to stay a
Speaker 5: different continent by myself when this episode goes up that
Speaker 5: doesn't speak well.
Speaker 2: I have to travel and go by myself wide the subway. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I have panic tags on every fucking plight. It's it's stressful.
Speaker 2: I have not ever played.
Speaker 5: It's actually got a lot better, but it's still it's
Speaker 5: I want to have a weekend at home just sitting
Speaker 5: on a couch.
Speaker 2: I know I do too.
Speaker 4: I have the best scaling skiing in Minneapolis, and see
Speaker 4: if it's actually any good?
Speaker 1: I see, I see like neighborhoods in Minnesota that just
Speaker 1: have ski jumps on the.
Speaker 2: Side of the road. Yeah, yeah, I've seen that. It's
Speaker 2: very very street.
Speaker 5: That's kind of it's just our first time. We're not
Speaker 5: gonna be double.
Speaker 2: Back, I know.
Speaker 4: I promise you. It's much easier to learn off the
Speaker 4: Bunny hill. You don't you don't you want you want
Speaker 4: to go on the blue easiest one, but you actually
Speaker 4: want to because the Plnny Hill it's so hard to
Speaker 4: like get momentum. You have to actually just get going
Speaker 4: a little. But here's what the French Fries. We need
Speaker 4: the Yeah, I've seen that South Park.
Speaker 5: We would need Jan to film it, and I cannot
Speaker 5: even picture Jan Achola.
Speaker 2: It's snowy skiing situation.
Speaker 4: I would film it because I'm pretty competent on the
Speaker 4: on the snowboard and stuff like that. Three sixty cams,
Speaker 4: I got the go pros, I got all that ship.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay. I did break a girl's arm once
Speaker 2: that I was very excited.
Speaker 6: To go just like uh, you know, like skating and
Speaker 6: like a skate rink recently, and I immediately broke my wrists.
Speaker 4: She stopped in front of me and she fell and
Speaker 4: we were like flirting, and then she fell right in
Speaker 4: front of me and I stopped as hard as I could,
Speaker 4: but my snowboard went right over her arm and basically
Speaker 4: snapped her forearm and half.
Speaker 2: It was terrible. Is that that's right? Wow? Hastas and
Speaker 2: heeled that for. I don't know if you broke her arm.
Speaker 2: I think it was kind of.
Speaker 4: I just take responsibility. I was skating too close. I
Speaker 4: should not have been doing that. But you know, what
Speaker 4: about what is the alternative here?
Speaker 2: Bike?
Speaker 4: I say she was asking for it.
Speaker 1: No, Wow, I grew up snowboarding, but I've been wanting
Speaker 1: to try skiing for a while.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never really skied. I've only snowboarded.
Speaker 4: But I like snowboarding a lot, so I don't think
Speaker 4: I'm gonna mess with snowboard. I think that's fine, probably
Speaker 4: the way to go.
Speaker 2: Like, we can do that. You guys get the skis.
Speaker 2: That'd be fun.
Speaker 6: You could do you can recreate the Flanders Homer things
Speaker 6: like I'm wearing nothing at all.
Speaker 2: Let's do it.
Speaker 1: Let's do a skia though, everybody, you all come here
Speaker 1: and we'll ski around here.
Speaker 2: Yeah Hoboken lifts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have go Okay, I like it.
Speaker 2: I don't like it.
Speaker 4: Electoville, Ellicottvilleville, Ellicottville, New York is where Holiday Valley is,
Speaker 4: I know, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: It's a problem assuming somewhere like Southern Catskills.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Southern cats Skills. Yeah, what are these dames?
Speaker 3: Guys?
Speaker 2: Mount mountains? It is cool.
Speaker 4: Actually, it's looks like it's due south of Buffalo. Is
Speaker 4: that Catskills?
Speaker 1: I know that that's.
Speaker 2: Semi close to sir. Buffalo is two hours west.
Speaker 4: Of It looks like forty five minutes north of the
Speaker 4: eighty six Yeah eighty six.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just south of Buffalo, not just south. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. That place was great though.
Speaker 4: I had a really long trail that you could ski
Speaker 4: down for like twenty minutes, and that's what I really like.
Speaker 5: Let's do that or just all get drunk in New Orleans. Yeah,
Speaker 5: let's go both. They both sound fun. Yes, sure do.
Speaker 1: The classic Holiday Valley Chicago New Orleans trip that everybody had.
Speaker 4: That sounds like a good time. Yeah, bang bang bang.
Speaker 3: You guys want to talk about video games?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 3: Do you ever play Rugrats in Paris on n sixty four?
Speaker 2: No? No, it was like the first Rugrats game.
Speaker 1: So I don't recall this in the movie, but the
Speaker 1: whole game you're in a theme park in Paris and
Speaker 1: it's a movie that is they repitar Land. It's like
Speaker 1: a a mini open world, reptile Land, and then you're
Speaker 1: going around to the different like mini games. Is this
Speaker 1: the podcast the game of the week and I still
Speaker 1: have it? It's the black cartridge there was, but after
Speaker 1: a while we realized there were only like two good
Speaker 1: mini games, one of which was like Putt Putt?
Speaker 2: Are Mike that?
Speaker 5: Or Our Marines on the n sixty four?
Speaker 3: Oh god, our Marines over anything modern?
Speaker 4: Do you really shoot like ar Marines?
Speaker 2: Because I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's it's a nostalgia thing.
Speaker 4: It's not okay, okay, I totally get feelings for it.
Speaker 4: Oh that's fine, I get that. No, no, no, yes, I
Speaker 4: still love that game. I have fine feelings for it.
Speaker 1: But it's like, looking back, Dan, you were playing it recently.
Speaker 1: I think when I.
Speaker 5: Visited just No I, I had you over and I
Speaker 5: had the ever Drive on the CRT and I was like, hey,
Speaker 5: name of sixty four Game of Love and you're like
Speaker 5: Our Marines, like right away, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it had like the worst straw
Speaker 1: distance of any game on the N sixty four something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Alien's coming from like.
Speaker 4: It was that every shooter ranked on N sixty four,
Speaker 4: it was like the second worst one on that list.
Speaker 2: Mike of that weird weird guy that did ut. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was also I remember the controls. I mean it
Speaker 1: was an N sixty four controller. They're trying to do
Speaker 1: a shooter, first person shooter, and it wasn't GoldenEye. I
Speaker 1: mean it was like you had to move left and
Speaker 1: right with the joystick, but then go forward and backwards with.
Speaker 2: The sea buttons.
Speaker 5: I don't know, it was gold Strafe with sea left
Speaker 5: and right, you look up and down with ceps down,
Speaker 5: and then like the center stick was kind of just
Speaker 5: like look around.
Speaker 2: It was all funny.
Speaker 1: You could also hold are and do the joystick to
Speaker 1: look up and down. But yeah you did that maybe
Speaker 1: the yes to your point just like lift it and
Speaker 1: I still to this day I'm inverted on my left hand.
Speaker 1: Sixty four games, yeah, because it made sense because it's
Speaker 1: like it was like a stick halfway through the screen
Speaker 1: that I was tilting. But then Halo came along, and
Speaker 1: even Halo's original controls combat evolves were weird until they
Speaker 1: made the what we now know as first person look
Speaker 1: and walk. They had like some weird left and right
Speaker 1: stuff as well. Yeah, anyway, speaking of speaking, there's no
Speaker 1: real uh seguela.
Speaker 4: Nothing you can do here on the podcast.
Speaker 1: We've been there.
Speaker 5: We come in with the game stuff. They all rugrats
Speaker 5: and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's what we came in. I like it. I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 5: Before you say anything, Mike, I am curious here because
Speaker 5: this is not really a genre. I hear you liking
Speaker 5: a ton You're on a podcast with three guys that
Speaker 5: are in love with this game. I don't think i've
Speaker 5: heard anyone be anything less than just raving glowing ear,
Speaker 5: and to be fair, I have not heard you say
Speaker 5: anything about this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, Party is a huge Xbox fan boy, so I
Speaker 4: expect him to come in here and be very skeptical.
Speaker 2: Yes, saying is that.
Speaker 4: We're all going to beat the ship out of you.
Speaker 3: I hate that Master Chiefs not in it.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: I love three platformers. They definitely do not loom as
Speaker 1: large in my life as you are. Like Tim Turry,
Speaker 1: I've played every three D Mario Odyssey. I think is
Speaker 1: one of like the best games. I think the only
Speaker 1: Mario three D platform that beats is Galaxy one or two.
Speaker 2: I like more.
Speaker 1: It's like Galaxy, and I also have a soft spot
Speaker 1: like Banjo, Kazoo and Twoe I talk about a lot,
Speaker 1: but those I don't talk about for the platforming. I
Speaker 1: talk about those just more like collected on weird, crazy designed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Astrobot's very good. I think it's an extremely
Speaker 1: well crafted game. It feels more to me like a
Speaker 1: theme park, and I mean that as a compliment. It's
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I I think it does gimmicks
Speaker 1: in a good way, like dance. To your point, you
Speaker 1: were mentioning that it's doing some I don't even know
Speaker 1: what you want to call them pickups that I haven't seen,
Speaker 1: like power ups, power ups, the like items and whatnot.
Speaker 5: The frog gauntlets, And.
Speaker 1: I have some annoyances with it, however, and maybe it's
Speaker 1: just because I'm like, I don't know this. So towards
Speaker 1: the end of some of the some of the stages,
Speaker 1: you can find those secret Galaxy flags. Is there a
Speaker 1: way to unlock those without then going back.
Speaker 4: To the screen secret it's a secret exit like Super
Speaker 4: Mario World or.
Speaker 1: Something, So maybe I'm trying to. I guess I'm asking
Speaker 1: if I'm getting frustrated for no reason. So I'll find
Speaker 1: those and be like, well, I want to finish the stage,
Speaker 1: so then I'm going to go back to the normal exit,
Speaker 1: and then I have to go back. Not that I'm
Speaker 1: not enjoying replaying these stages, but sometimes I'm like, I
Speaker 1: want to go see what the next stage is, but
Speaker 1: I was like, I got to replay it, so then
Speaker 1: I can go take the normal exit.
Speaker 4: Are you as you're playing the level, You're you're collecting
Speaker 4: everything first time I.
Speaker 2: Bought, I go back, I'm hundred percent so far.
Speaker 5: Then it's easy because you go back into a level,
Speaker 5: and if you are not scouring every area of the
Speaker 5: bot and just those levels can go pretty quick through them, and.
Speaker 4: It's fun to like see how fast you can do it.
Speaker 4: Actually like that, just you got to like make your.
Speaker 1: Own Oh yeah, and Jeff, you're faster at this game
Speaker 1: than anybody then, yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm glad you're historically accurate on that. Yes, I'm Jeff.
Speaker 1: It's one of those It's one of those games that
Speaker 1: I like respect it more than I really enjoy it
Speaker 1: because it's extremely well crafted. I'm I'm impressed by it,
Speaker 1: but it's I'm not like, I'm not jumping out of
Speaker 1: my seat while I play it, And that could be
Speaker 1: due to the fact that three D platforms, yeah, are
Speaker 1: not the thing that like, yeah, governs most of my taste.
Speaker 1: But no, I'm it's a very joyful game. I'm it
Speaker 1: feels like they had a lot of fun designing it,
Speaker 1: which is the mark of a good game to me.
Speaker 1: I think you can kind of just feel the passion. Yeah,
Speaker 1: really well crafted it. It does feel like.
Speaker 2: A like a very fine tune theme park, though, you.
Speaker 6: Like like collecting all the bots and being like, oh wow,
Speaker 6: this person from that game, and I think this person.
Speaker 2: Would be here. I have.
Speaker 1: I have some fondness for PlayStation characters for sure, Dan,
Speaker 1: who was the character? Is it a spoiler if you
Speaker 1: tell me you said there was one that you.
Speaker 5: Were I'll just everyone mute right now for like fifteen
Speaker 5: seconds if you don't want to know.
Speaker 3: Wait, can you wait? What stage are they in?
Speaker 2: Oh? Remember that now?
Speaker 3: It was kind of it was like.
Speaker 2: Incredible Crisis is the mister Brisquito?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay, Incredible Crisis one was so insane. What's the messed
Speaker 2: up businessman or something?
Speaker 6: A stressed warrior wear game that's maybe even crazier in
Speaker 6: some ways, it's just about a Japanese family, like we
Speaker 6: have to have we have to.
Speaker 2: Have you played to Jeff because I know I'm going
Speaker 2: to pitch game.
Speaker 5: I shall never heard anyone bring up outside of me
Speaker 5: of their own accord. It's always like me being like
Speaker 5: playing this, check this weird thing out, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is way past the time Dan told them
Speaker 3: to mute.
Speaker 2: Seconds. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The boss fights are incredibly well done.
Speaker 2: I ah, they're fun and I.
Speaker 3: Love it's I don't know it's their use of space
Speaker 3: on those.
Speaker 4: They never do more than two phases, but and it's
Speaker 4: like still always three hits, and that third hit is
Speaker 4: sometimes like, all right, now you're gonna do an awesome
Speaker 4: platforming stage in the middle of this boss fight, and
Speaker 4: you'll get the end, and then we'll give you the
Speaker 4: funnest third hit you've ever had.
Speaker 2: I've only seen two of them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, octopus his eyeballs and fucking long myself into him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, the first one, it's like it's like to finally
Speaker 1: finish off the gorilla, you're just launching into his throat,
Speaker 1: basically like big.
Speaker 4: He's got a big symbol in his throat that is
Speaker 4: the symbol of the power up you have. And he
Speaker 4: never asked why anyone installed that there. It's great, yeah,
Speaker 4: oh yeah.
Speaker 1: Also just I mean it rivals Nintendo for it's like
Speaker 1: nonverbal how it teaches you those things like you just mentioned.
Speaker 1: It's got the same symbol and throw. It's it's incredible
Speaker 1: game design. Again, like I I really don't have many
Speaker 1: qualms with it, but it's definitely not like one of
Speaker 1: the best games I've ever played.
Speaker 2: That's fair.
Speaker 5: Like I don't expect everyone to feel the same as
Speaker 5: I do with every game where Matt you but yeah no,
Speaker 5: but it's like I mean, years ago, when I oppress
Speaker 5: you and pretended I loved it.
Speaker 2: Games to acknowledge.
Speaker 5: I think if you came out here and said like,
Speaker 5: this is a shooty game, which I'm sure there are
Speaker 5: people saying it, then I'd think, like, Okay, you don't
Speaker 5: know what the fuck you're talking about. But it's just
Speaker 5: like it's not really your thing as much as his mind.
Speaker 5: So like everything he said is correct. What a mana
Speaker 5: walks by and like sees some of the stages. She's like,
Speaker 5: I can't help but stop and like, watch the dessert
Speaker 5: world is awesome. What was the one after that that?
Speaker 5: I really like, the sponge one. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you got the sponge Striking World.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shrinking World's great.
Speaker 1: I also really appreciate how often it is switching up,
Speaker 1: Like I I thought the ape escape thing would be
Speaker 1: annoying chasing them down, but I like how they I like.
Speaker 1: I like how they change up the structure. It wasn't
Speaker 1: just a linear A to B two C thing.
Speaker 5: It was an escape level. Here they will continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here they all are in.
Speaker 3: There's been a few of those.
Speaker 1: But it's like, oh, this is great because they're actually
Speaker 1: toying with the like objective.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 5: I literally like when I got the net, I went
Speaker 5: into apiscape mode and was using the right analog stick
Speaker 5: to like play it like ap Escape. It's like, oh, wait,
Speaker 5: this isn't actually shoot ap escape here, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really good game. One of my favorites of the
Speaker 1: year for sure. I don't think it's like changing my
Speaker 1: life though, that's what.
Speaker 2: I do think this is going to be.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think it's going to be a pretty safe game
Speaker 5: of the year at a lot of outlets. Uh, come
Speaker 5: game of the Year time. I think I'm going to
Speaker 5: have to fight together as high as I can here.
Speaker 5: But like I don't really hear Mary or Jake, you know,
Speaker 5: Like I don't know. I don't know if it makes
Speaker 5: Fire Escapes game of the Year, you know, because I
Speaker 5: think I'm the one big soapbox guy for it.
Speaker 3: Do you think this is a shoe in for a
Speaker 3: lot of outlets Astrobot?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's got a ninety five on Open.
Speaker 2: Critic or something.
Speaker 5: I will eat the biggest hat you've ever found if
Speaker 5: it's not Giant Bombs and min Max's and a bunch
Speaker 5: of other places.
Speaker 6: I wonder how it's going to do at the Game
Speaker 6: Awards because nominated hard to say. I think it has
Speaker 6: a good shot. It would be without it not a gimme.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I I have other games I've enjoyed more
Speaker 1: than it, for sure.
Speaker 2: But what what? What are your favorite games this year?
Speaker 3: Another one we're talking about tonight, Wild Bastards.
Speaker 2: I you love it that much? Wow? Fell in love
Speaker 2: with it?
Speaker 3: What else this year was Bilatro.
Speaker 5: Prince of Persia lost crown.
Speaker 4: That was great?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: You guys, you guys started DLC for that. It came
Speaker 4: out this week. The Distory DLC is out this week.
Speaker 4: The review should be hitting.
Speaker 6: I think soon you know, none of you fire Escapers
Speaker 6: are Final Fantasy people. I get very upset every us.
Speaker 1: Three of us three are I'm the most I'd say,
Speaker 1: I still have you have to play Rebirth. But every
Speaker 1: time I like, I told, I tell Jake this, and like,
Speaker 1: I still have to play Rebirth, He's like, you're not
Speaker 1: going to play it.
Speaker 2: You don't need to.
Speaker 1: But he's he's not saying that out of disrespect to
Speaker 1: Final Fantasy. I think he just knows that my tolerance
Speaker 1: for like open world stuff, for open world stuff's sake
Speaker 1: and these days.
Speaker 2: But I do want to.
Speaker 6: I love remake, so I want to it hit with
Speaker 6: me real like it probably was my game of the
Speaker 6: year and til Astro but it might you know, who
Speaker 6: knows how I feel at the end of it.
Speaker 2: But uh, and I'll tell you what. That's the one.
Speaker 6: You know, the PlayStation five Pro and all that stuff.
Speaker 6: It's mostly unappealing, but when they show.
Speaker 4: That game, it looks videos that's the one that's like,
Speaker 4: that game does look just a lot better on the
Speaker 4: place you should play pro.
Speaker 1: I don't want to put words in Jake or Mary's mouth. Dan,
Speaker 1: I think right now as a group, I could be
Speaker 1: way off and we'll see. I hope I'm off because
Speaker 1: I don't want to actually active, like correctly predict it.
Speaker 1: Right now, I think Balatro is probably the front runner.
Speaker 5: That's yeah, if it's not as I would for the record.
Speaker 2: Every single anything Russia.
Speaker 1: Zelda, Yeah, it was almost at the end. You and
Speaker 1: Mary tried pulling the rug out from under us and
Speaker 1: making it Pickman.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was rooting for pick but I was too The
Speaker 1: execution of the switch left a lot to be desired.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Grob had a good baby face turn on Pickman
Speaker 5: during ours.
Speaker 2: He went up to the make up.
Speaker 4: Into the last And I think, right now, when I
Speaker 4: think about the best game I played last year, Pickman four,
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 2: Is it you know what resident evil for?
Speaker 5: But sure, Tiers the Kingdom comes up, and I think
Speaker 5: I have I was talking to a lot of people
Speaker 5: in Portland about and Zelda and stuff that was coming
Speaker 5: up a lot, and we were talking about Tears the
Speaker 5: Kingdom and I think I have finally enough time has
Speaker 5: passed where it's like there's that question that came up
Speaker 5: a lot of like, oh, it's Breath the Wild better
Speaker 5: Tiers the Kingdom. I do think I can confidently say
Speaker 5: now that I think I like Breath of the Wild more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it changed everything basically for open worlds.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and even though there's there's things that Tears the
Speaker 5: Kingdom like it, it does all of that and more.
Speaker 5: There is just something to be said about that first time,
Speaker 5: Like that first time I played Breath the Wild, there's
Speaker 5: no way you could replicate that by just like adding
Speaker 5: more to it the.
Speaker 2: Next time as cool as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, I also think Breath of the Wild is a
Speaker 1: much more focused experience, which is crazy to say when
Speaker 1: it's that big.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I love my time with Tears of the
Speaker 2: Kingdom going.
Speaker 4: I did everything I could underground, most of the stuff
Speaker 4: you can do in all the other biomes, and like
Speaker 4: the bullshit they put in there is my kind of bullshit.
Speaker 4: But here's some just chain physics puzzles. You like that
Speaker 4: ship like, yes, give me more of that. Yeah, But
Speaker 4: Breath of the Wild is a singular experienced.
Speaker 2: Me cry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys talk about how big three platformers are
Speaker 1: in your like general taste map, I don't know what
Speaker 1: you want to call it emergent there immersive. So for
Speaker 1: them to put immersive sim elements into Breath of the wilds,
Speaker 1: like what more news.
Speaker 2: About it goes to wisdom by the way, that's that's
Speaker 2: an immersive soul. Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait for that. That that I mean
Speaker 1: that who knows where that jumps up if it's if
Speaker 1: I like it, maybe I.
Speaker 4: Don't, but we'll talk about that next episode probably, Yeah,
Speaker 4: got it soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, overall, I like it's also I think it's an
Speaker 1: easy game to argue for, Like it's there's so many
Speaker 1: things it does really well.
Speaker 4: Wait, it does everything right, right, I mean, even if
Speaker 4: it's not everyone's cup of tea necessarily, the way that
Speaker 4: they set up the levels, the way that they have
Speaker 4: all the extras, the fact that everything between all the
Speaker 4: connective tissue is like here is a fun little thing
Speaker 4: to mess with. It's not part of the objectives, it's
Speaker 4: not part of the extras. It's just a bunch of sprinkles,
Speaker 4: a bunch of it's the zero G level and you're
Speaker 4: running through and now you hit the stars and now
Speaker 4: this time instead of them just falling to the ground,
Speaker 4: they're gonna start floating off into space, and just being
Speaker 4: so playful in every single second, like every five steps
Speaker 4: is just at the sign of a really confident development
Speaker 4: group that really knew what they were doing.
Speaker 2: It's hard not to respect that.
Speaker 3: It's one of the most imaginative games I've played in
Speaker 3: a long time.
Speaker 2: That is what makes it like most like the Galaxy games.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, they just wrote down every idea they
Speaker 4: had and they took the top ten percent of the
Speaker 4: best of those ideas and made a game using those ideas,
Speaker 4: and it's.
Speaker 2: Incredible that love the Cloud Mario Power yep.
Speaker 1: I would love to see like the deleted levels, the
Speaker 1: cutting room floor in this game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 5: For the record, earlier, Mike, you said that, oh, you've
Speaker 5: played games better than Astrobot, and I agreed, but I
Speaker 5: didn't realize you were talking about this year. So for
Speaker 5: the record, it is I have not played a game
Speaker 5: this year that I find better than Master. And for
Speaker 5: the record, I'm Team Tiers of the Kingdom. Just wanted
Speaker 5: to say thank you, appreciate it. That's completely reasonable credit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we give you. Yeah, we're cool.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 1: My My favorite thing about fire Escape Game of the
Speaker 1: Year is I think it's just a known thing that
Speaker 1: at a certain point the argument it matters, Like the
Speaker 1: argument becomes the key thing. And at a certain point,
Speaker 1: I think one of us always need there's always someone
Speaker 1: in the group that calms down. Is like, Okay, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I actually think, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, you've been drinking for eight straight hours and we're
Speaker 5: exhausted by that point and maybe have broken limbs as
Speaker 5: in the last year.
Speaker 2: How how's maybe gonna hurt you this year? Well, this
Speaker 2: is still pretty broken. She's sending me some she's brainstorming.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a much more emotional damage this year.
Speaker 2: Look for Assassin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do you have any additional thoughts asked about that?
Speaker 1: You didn't say last episode.
Speaker 5: I think for me and Grubbs super Platinum, did we
Speaker 5: think Minati didn't like it enough?
Speaker 2: I guess to the diet, those four extra bots you're
Speaker 2: talking about aren't even in this game. You have to play.
Speaker 4: The number goes up to three five in the game.
Speaker 4: Oh I'm Jeff, I'm like stage capitalism. I only care
Speaker 4: about the number going up.
Speaker 5: Political Mike, here we go. No populated in your fucking
Speaker 5: crash site. They are in the game, like they are
Speaker 5: absolutely part of that game.
Speaker 2: Oh they or whatever it is, there's four. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: won't spoil it. Yeah, gotcha, they're all master chief.
Speaker 1: Yeah as great? Uh okay, I'm sure have we all
Speaker 1: played Wild Bastards or Mike? Did you?
Speaker 2: I played? I played?
Speaker 4: I started it tonight and I played about an hour
Speaker 4: and a half and actually, can I start?
Speaker 1: Because serious because I've heard divisive things on this game.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to Mac Getz, who I work with,
Speaker 1: and he was telling me I didn't realize the game
Speaker 1: was this and that it's like, oh, this is really weird.
Speaker 1: So I'm curious, where are you at, sister ninety minutes
Speaker 1: and I'm on my third playthrough.
Speaker 4: Right, so I did my first to a game over basically,
Speaker 4: so that's where I'm at. So I'm kind of just
Speaker 4: beginning to piece together how the loop feels to me.
Speaker 4: Like Dan did a good job describing it, so understand
Speaker 4: I knew what to expect going in, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: what do I care about when I'm playing this? And
Speaker 4: I think I was the initial sort of Pepsi challenge
Speaker 4: reaction was there's not much to these combat scenarios, so
Speaker 4: I'm going in there and I'm they're kind of arenas
Speaker 4: and I'm going I'm shooting some dudes, So what's what's
Speaker 4: happening here? And it's like, well, let me just keep
Speaker 4: playing and push through that. And then once I realized
Speaker 4: like a lot of the game here is caring about
Speaker 4: what happens in between those sections and improving the characters
Speaker 4: and figuring out like your way through the maps and
Speaker 4: the nodes on the map like a rogue light, and
Speaker 4: and sort of like beginning to piece together the upgrades
Speaker 4: you get, and then getting the permanent upgrade of the
Speaker 4: aces and the infamy. And once I started like really
Speaker 4: caring about that stuff, it made those combat scenarios even
Speaker 4: better and more fun because they don't they don't take
Speaker 4: up a lot of time. You're going to go in
Speaker 4: there and you get to play around with all the
Speaker 4: new stuff you got and you get the like you get,
Speaker 4: for example, a permanent upgrade that causes your jump to
Speaker 4: be like way higher, and it's like, oh, I really
Speaker 4: feel the difference there, So my character build feels very different.
Speaker 4: I think for me, the gold touchstone here for this
Speaker 4: genre is going to always is now always going to
Speaker 4: be Hades, and Hades' thing is every run can feel
Speaker 4: so different. Your character builds can get so bespoke that
Speaker 4: every run feels special, even if it's not the best.
Speaker 4: Like most overpowered build, you begin to like learn to
Speaker 4: love it because you're you're beginning to learn it's it's
Speaker 4: its variabilities. And I was say, Okay, I could see
Speaker 4: that beginning to happen here a little bit, and I'm
Speaker 4: glad that it's not like, oh, five percent improvement to
Speaker 4: your shot. It's like, no, you're gonna get a permanent
Speaker 4: ten hit point upgrade to your shot, and then you're
Speaker 4: going to get these add ons you can get that
Speaker 4: can make you feel very different.
Speaker 2: Okay, and it's hard to click for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh before I forget two things of some
Speaker 1: of the aces, especially later in the playthrough, they don't
Speaker 1: just like make something a current mechanic noticeably different. It'll
Speaker 1: be like, oh, now your dynamites blow up into a
Speaker 1: bunch of other smaller dynamites and like secondary so there's
Speaker 1: like actual right mechanical like changes.
Speaker 2: Bullets and now have brimstone fire effect on them. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So again like Haites where it's like you have the
Speaker 4: dodge and now your dodge is an attack.
Speaker 2: And stuff like that, where it's like it builds on
Speaker 2: the stopman coded damage on your Webinner.
Speaker 1: RNG is great in these kind of games because often
Speaker 1: you're selecting things bait, building out what you got before,
Speaker 1: and you're consciously trying to make a certain build. Other
Speaker 1: times you have no choice but to adapt to what
Speaker 1: the game's giving you. So they're a nice give and take.
Speaker 1: You said you played till a game over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my first like just the like I played until
Speaker 2: my crew all got wiped.
Speaker 3: So did you stop and put it down there?
Speaker 2: I I just stop because I like it to make
Speaker 2: it ki okay.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing about the game, And I'll be
Speaker 1: the first to say this game could do a much
Speaker 1: better job of teaching many of its systems.
Speaker 5: This is what I was going to say, because I
Speaker 5: saw Mary was streaming this and I popped into her
Speaker 5: stream and she just started it. And I think everyone's
Speaker 5: first like hour plus in this game is like what
Speaker 5: is Okay, there's the sector level, but then also this
Speaker 5: stuff on the planet, but then what is persistent three? Yeah,
Speaker 5: And I could tell Mary was kind of still in
Speaker 5: that period of like who do I kill here?
Speaker 2: What do I do? What's you know, like I don't
Speaker 2: really get this.
Speaker 5: You know, it can be down two guys here, Like
Speaker 5: it takes i'd say at least an hour an hour
Speaker 5: and a half to kind of start clicking and grub.
Speaker 2: It sounds like you're kind of yeah.
Speaker 4: It's where I'm like, I did realize, so I did
Speaker 4: play like just a touch further where it's like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I have the one character that I picked to survive,
Speaker 4: and then I saw the Golden coffin and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 4: they taught me that that brings back one of these
Speaker 4: characters already, So I bet I'm able to bring back
Speaker 4: these other characters and then I take them back down
Speaker 4: to a planet. Like I haven't done that.
Speaker 1: Part yet, so I'm curious what happens when you load
Speaker 1: back up. Dan, did you finish the first play through?
Speaker 5: I beat the Yeah, I saw credits to a couple
Speaker 5: nights ago.
Speaker 3: Did you do it in one run?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Because like that's the thing is like it's the rogue
Speaker 5: light part of it is it seems I thought at first,
Speaker 5: for hours, I thought that if I died, I'm going
Speaker 5: back to the very beginning. And then but it's like
Speaker 5: oh no, that sector, you're going back to the beginning
Speaker 5: of that sector.
Speaker 4: And it really there's there's an iron Man mode that
Speaker 4: will be like a true rogue like that gets you
Speaker 4: all the way back to the your first play through.
Speaker 1: And Dan correct me if I'm wrong in some way.
Speaker 1: It's the first play through is not a rogue light.
Speaker 1: Things are randomized. You will procedural shooter, but you will
Speaker 1: go back on the sector map. You will go back
Speaker 1: to the start of that, but it's not sending you
Speaker 1: to the beginning of the game. It's a rogue light
Speaker 1: light you have like a checkpoint. It's basically taking to
Speaker 1: a checkpoint. Yeah, so like if you if you get
Speaker 1: if you pick up an ace or two, like a
Speaker 1: chorus or a charge days. Charge days are the one
Speaker 1: that you have to rest your characters, uh to actually utilize.
Speaker 1: You might lose those by going back to the beginning
Speaker 1: of the sector and then the sector will rearrange, but
Speaker 1: you're not actually resetting in a robe like However, Yes,
Speaker 1: but that's the narrative mode, and you're unlocking the characters
Speaker 1: in the same order the first time anybody plays the game.
Speaker 5: And once you unlock them, you're never losing the characters.
Speaker 5: If you have five bastards and you die, you're gonna
Speaker 5: have those five bastards.
Speaker 1: They all have to get injured and they go back
Speaker 1: to the beginning of sector and also injured. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: So it's in the new game play and I still
Speaker 1: think the narrative the first play through is super fun.
Speaker 1: I think the character designs great. I love finding different
Speaker 1: synergies because for anybody who hasn't played it, you could
Speaker 1: just press R one or RB and you immediately become
Speaker 1: your you go down in Duo's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they can only go down. They can only be
Speaker 4: on the field one at a time, but you can
Speaker 4: have multiple there and you can switch.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And if you played Void Bastards, that was two layers,
Speaker 1: like the FTL layer where you're unlocking certain doors or
Speaker 1: no sorry, yeah, you're you're traveling across space, and then
Speaker 1: there's the shooter section.
Speaker 2: This has three.
Speaker 1: There's traveling space, there's when you beam down to the
Speaker 1: planet you're on this like board game map, and then
Speaker 1: there's the shoot arenas. In the arenas are bite size,
Speaker 1: quick fire like Quake, almost Doom esque like with Halo
Speaker 1: Enemy variety. And I've seen reviews saying that the enemy
Speaker 1: variety is very low. However, when you get into Lake game,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of messaging. Dan, I was like, I counted,
Speaker 1: there's twenty different kinds of.
Speaker 4: You get the like you get the data pads that
Speaker 4: show you how many sucks there are. At least there's
Speaker 4: at least twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and many of them are like just upstats of
Speaker 1: the Vanilla version. However, there are others that act very
Speaker 1: differently that actually once and again, I think I don't
Speaker 1: think the game is great at teaching you several things.
Speaker 1: I think they want you to learn through trial and error. However,
Speaker 1: some of your decisions you could be making a bad
Speaker 1: decision and have no idea you're about to fuck things
Speaker 1: up again. You're only going back to the beginning of sector.
Speaker 1: But when you start to play the game enough and
Speaker 1: you when you're hovering over a node on the map,
Speaker 1: it shows you the enemy types that will be there,
Speaker 1: so you get characters later on. So, for instance, there's
Speaker 1: a character named Rawhide who's one of my favorites. They
Speaker 1: have the burst sonic rifle, and then there which can
Speaker 1: penetrate shields on yellow Bellies, which are these guys who
Speaker 1: are just like they will run from you, and they
Speaker 1: will force you to flank because they put down these
Speaker 1: green force fields in front of you and they can
Speaker 1: shoot through them, but you can't unless you have raw hide,
Speaker 1: so you'll have to flank them. And then there's sometimes
Speaker 1: when it's like, oh, I'm about to fight twelve yellow bellies.
Speaker 3: This is and I don't have raw hide. This is
Speaker 3: gonna fucking suck.
Speaker 5: Or let's say there's a yellow bellies and then there's
Speaker 5: a bunch of like animals, those coyotes. His stunt will
Speaker 5: fucking take it. The call of the wild stunt or
Speaker 5: whatever will take over those so like it subverts them.
Speaker 5: So like you can shoot through the guys with shields
Speaker 5: and also see these coyotes and be like you're mine.
Speaker 5: Now you're fighting for me, And then you see like
Speaker 5: enemy and ally and like it's so fun when like
Speaker 5: you do a bunch of stunts and shit, or there's
Speaker 5: the girl with the bone arrow that can kind of
Speaker 5: like subvert things. It's like, oh, now I've turned totally
Speaker 5: turned the tide of battle, and there's more of mine
Speaker 5: on the field than there is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you can build so stunts are they're ultimates.
Speaker 1: They have unique stats and movements some of them, and
Speaker 1: they have unique weapons and then they have the stunt.
Speaker 1: They're ultimately and you can It took me like three
Speaker 1: hours to realize I could stack those and not even
Speaker 1: oh yeah yeah. So at one point I was raw
Speaker 1: Hyde and there were four Grizzlies left. They're one of
Speaker 1: the more difficult animals, and I had four stunts, so
Speaker 1: I just went R one R one, R one, R one,
Speaker 1: and I won and I didn't even see them.
Speaker 3: I had subverted them from across the map.
Speaker 5: And some of them just like break things in a
Speaker 5: way that you don't see what FPS where. It's like
Speaker 5: you get smoky and it'll just like three unseen enemies
Speaker 5: will catch on fire. So you look at a few
Speaker 5: of those, it's like pooh, pooh, pooh. Like you you
Speaker 5: might not even see an enemy and you kill them all.
Speaker 5: And for anyone who like is like, oh man, these
Speaker 5: combat arenas are pretty simple. It's a pretty basic FPS yes,
Speaker 5: but also it is just one part.
Speaker 2: Of the game.
Speaker 4: Like I asked you, no, this is this is the
Speaker 4: key for me is that that's when I started enjoying
Speaker 4: is like, oh, this is a board game first, maybe, yeah,
Speaker 4: and these combat arenas are a not a mini game,
Speaker 4: but they are an event that happens.
Speaker 2: In the Mario party.
Speaker 5: You've got based up for your rolling the dice and
Speaker 5: going around the board and needed million games every once.
Speaker 2: In a while.
Speaker 4: And when I started viewing it that way, I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: I am and joining the board game a lot, and
Speaker 4: then I get to take some of this fun stuff
Speaker 4: into these arenas, and the fact that it's kind of
Speaker 4: simple is maybe not a feature instead of a bug.
Speaker 5: It's like a fun break between like strategizing and like, okay,
Speaker 5: there's like a spring.
Speaker 2: All the stuff that you're getting on the board, which
Speaker 2: is cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and the board game part is cool because like
Speaker 5: you'll go down to the planet level the board game
Speaker 5: part and there will be like you know, three to
Speaker 5: five things where it's like, okay, here's some money, here's
Speaker 5: here's an ace that I want to get, here's a
Speaker 5: mod for my guns. You want to get it all,
Speaker 5: but you don't have to. You can go right to
Speaker 5: the thing and being.
Speaker 2: Back up, but be back out immediately if you wanted
Speaker 2: to yes one on the board.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you don't have to pick anything up, but
Speaker 5: you want to get everything to help you run and so,
Speaker 5: but if you take too much time, then they'll start
Speaker 5: worping owt like this guy mc neil and like his
Speaker 5: buddies and stuff. So there's like these higher powered guys
Speaker 5: that will move around the board and be a little
Speaker 5: tougher to kill if you take too much time. So yeah,
Speaker 5: and then there's a day night cycle on the board
Speaker 5: and you'll have certain aces that are like, oh if
Speaker 5: it's nighttime, yeah, this character moves.
Speaker 2: Three extra space or something. Yeah.
Speaker 5: So like there are like I really really like the
Speaker 5: board game element of this and Greb, like you said,
Speaker 5: it's really quick to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The accent at that point is just like, okay, this
Speaker 5: is like the fun, like you know, shoot.
Speaker 4: A part of this, you know, right, It's like cool
Speaker 4: that I get to actually shoot stuff with this board
Speaker 4: game character. Now, it's like going with board games would
Speaker 4: be better if they had a shooting segment command conquer
Speaker 4: Renegade in it. No, it's on PC, so we can
Speaker 4: mod it in for you, Mike geez ikin'd of like mods.
Speaker 4: That's right, you're anti mod This.
Speaker 1: Game also avoids this design trope that many games do.
Speaker 1: I think in a lesser game, these characters have these.
Speaker 1: I think every character in their own way is overpowered.
Speaker 1: And like you said, these princes, they're called that. These
Speaker 1: three characters that work down, they're basically the narratively, they're
Speaker 1: hunting you across the galaxy. You're trying to escape them.
Speaker 1: They beam down and Judge is a really powerful character.
Speaker 1: He's which also the like the creativity in the weapons
Speaker 1: and the art direction you get. You have to get
Speaker 1: three critical hits with his rifle and then you get
Speaker 1: the fourth hit is always an insta kill, no matter
Speaker 1: where you hit them in their body, and to show
Speaker 1: it the laser or the yeah, lasers, the sites, it's
Speaker 1: each critical hit is building one part of a gallows
Speaker 1: to like the noose, and then once you get it,
Speaker 1: it goes to the front and it's a skull with
Speaker 1: process yeah. And I was thinking, I was like, there's
Speaker 1: no way they're gonna let me get that instant kill
Speaker 1: on the boss, and sure enough he warped down. I
Speaker 1: shot him once and he was dead.
Speaker 2: So that's what you want from a Rogue Light, right.
Speaker 2: You want to feel overpowered occasionally.
Speaker 1: I think many games would be like, no, we want
Speaker 1: the boss to be difficult artificially, so we're not gonna
Speaker 1: let these powers work on them. It's like, no, if
Speaker 1: if the boss is the last one and you have
Speaker 1: the bow and arrow and it's a character, it's narratively
Speaker 1: it's one of the later characters, and if there's a
Speaker 1: twenty five percent chance to subvert them to your team
Speaker 1: one and four is crazy when you're shooting that often.
Speaker 1: So if you shoot the boss often enough, the boss
Speaker 1: is going to join your team and kill all of
Speaker 1: his minions.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I actually I don't think the game truly truly
Speaker 1: struck me as being excellent until the new game. Plus,
Speaker 1: there are two other ways you could play it. There
Speaker 1: is iron Man Mode, which is you go back to
Speaker 1: the beginning of the game, and also it's shuffling the character,
Speaker 1: so that's what's fun. It's like you get the characters
Speaker 1: in a random order, which is very fun. Because team
Speaker 1: comp I actually got like bad roles on this play through.
Speaker 1: I got Spike who by himself. He him and Kaboom,
Speaker 1: the Dynamite character were too. I was like, they feel
Speaker 1: kind of not they don't. However, I'm modern Kaboom in
Speaker 1: a way where basically I would it would be one
Speaker 1: of those fort maps and I would just lob a
Speaker 1: bunch of dynamite and they were splitting into so many
Speaker 1: more that they were killing one or two people every time.
Speaker 3: He's also great for Yellow Belli's just thrown behind him.
Speaker 2: Oh sure.
Speaker 3: I got Spike, who's like this stealth character who can
Speaker 3: be really good and you get the right mods.
Speaker 5: But there's a bunch of defenses because his stunt is
Speaker 5: you can just subvert turds and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So New game plus then Iron Man with shuffle characters.
Speaker 1: I also did the Super iron Man, which is if
Speaker 1: in the base game, if your characters are injured, which
Speaker 1: means they basically are dead until you get a tonic
Speaker 1: to revive them, or each time you warp between sectors
Speaker 1: they get revived.
Speaker 2: In Super iron Man they do not.
Speaker 1: You need tonics to revive them, so you can warp
Speaker 1: to a new sector and it does not revive them.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So the game really got good, and the
Speaker 1: board game stuff got much more interesting when I was
Speaker 1: playing on a harder difficulty, And these are separate from
Speaker 1: the difficulties, so you can keep playing on normal difficulty
Speaker 1: but have these modifiers, so there's a lot of room
Speaker 1: to tweak things. I'm playing on hard Super Iron Man,
Speaker 1: and now I'm like, I'm a beans are more important
Speaker 1: because they're stopping certain characters from that's a that's out
Speaker 1: of context. It's a weird thing that, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: can't I really cannot afford with only three characters in
Speaker 1: this play through for anybody to get injured, because I'm
Speaker 1: now it's going to make me need to go get
Speaker 1: a tonic instead of an ace that could really, you know,
Speaker 1: bump up their stats or give them a whole new ability.
Speaker 1: But also it's way more terrifying when a prince comes,
Speaker 1: you know. I'm like, I'm more in the base game.
Speaker 1: I was cleaning out the maps, and to be clear,
Speaker 1: once you're there long enough the actual main enemy comes down,
Speaker 1: you can't kill him if he catches you on the board.
Speaker 2: You're oh, I never got to that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it got to the point where I was farming
Speaker 1: the princes for infamy, so I was waiting there. I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is getting I think the game
Speaker 1: can get a bit easy later in the first play through,
Speaker 1: but the difficulty is such now that I'm actually it's
Speaker 1: a much more of a risk reward weighing, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I could leave the map now, even though there's a
Speaker 1: tonic up there which could come in handy later if
Speaker 1: let's say Preach, She's my only character that I could
Speaker 1: take a loan on missions.
Speaker 2: I have like Spike and Kaboom, and I have raw Hide,
Speaker 2: and all of them are better as like back up characters.
Speaker 2: Maybe not raw Hide, but.
Speaker 1: It gets more difficult and there's more the stakes are higher,
Speaker 1: and it makes the decision making like that more fraught.
Speaker 3: I'm really really enjoying the new game.
Speaker 1: Plus, and also it's I really really like just the
Speaker 1: pace of this game, like those those The firefights are quick,
Speaker 1: but I think if there were too long it would
Speaker 1: get cloying.
Speaker 5: It is a tremendous theme deck game because it's just
Speaker 5: like I'm playing so easy to just you know, play
Speaker 5: a couple or like, you know, I've played entire flights,
Speaker 5: you know, playing this game or pick it up for
Speaker 5: fifteen minutes and then get a full session and it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, it's so fucking good. Yeah, I like
Speaker 2: the game a lot. Yep.
Speaker 3: Anyway, what uh what else are you, Mike?
Speaker 2: What have you been playing? Well?
Speaker 6: A sides from Alone in the Dark for the Wii,
Speaker 6: which I wouldn't really playing anyone because my friends are jerks.
Speaker 5: That's not that sucks man, man, why would they? But
Speaker 5: there's a good games out there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, it's strange. I've been playing through a
Speaker 6: lot of the Frum software library. After beating Shadow of
Speaker 6: the r Tree, having any film with that, and realizing
Speaker 6: that somehow I never played the Dark Souls games, decided
Speaker 6: should finally go and do.
Speaker 2: I'm still kind of hungry for more of that formula.
Speaker 6: Played through all Dark Souls one and really really liked it,
Speaker 6: totally got the hype, and you know, Dark Souls two
Speaker 6: has kind of a weird reputation. You have some people
Speaker 6: really defend the game, but a lot of people are like, no,
Speaker 6: it's definitely the Black Sheep. And I'm like forty hours
Speaker 6: into it now, I'm playing through the DLC content before
Speaker 6: I do the final Boss. I've been playing a lot
Speaker 6: of it, and I both like it and also completely
Speaker 6: understand that reputation.
Speaker 2: It does just feel a little weird and a little off.
Speaker 6: Compared to Dark Souls one or even an Elder Ring,
Speaker 6: And some of it is just kind of Some of
Speaker 6: it's the way the game's designed, Like there's a lot
Speaker 6: of areas where the soul's combat is really designed for
Speaker 6: one on one encounters, and sometimes they'll switch that up
Speaker 6: and you'll fight two people, or maybe you'll fight four
Speaker 6: weaker people and you have to do one big screen whatever.
Speaker 6: There's like a lot of vistanses here where it's like,
Speaker 6: here's three or four kind of strong people, good luck
Speaker 6: with that, and it's kind of just miserable trying to
Speaker 6: kind of basically run over there, run over the room
Speaker 6: to kind of hope you sort of luck into it.
Speaker 4: Eventually you're actually kind of figure it out. Hit boxes
Speaker 4: are also weird.
Speaker 6: I had one instance where here's a big troll boss
Speaker 6: or something, and he has this big grab move and
Speaker 6: it's very telegraphs like I don't want to grab you,
Speaker 6: so you backroll and grabs me and I backroll and
Speaker 6: he misses, and then his hand is here and my
Speaker 6: character model just warps to his hands. It's like, nope,
Speaker 6: you belong here. Then he bites my head off. Right,
Speaker 6: I'm like, oh, that's that's a lot of fun. Uh,
Speaker 6: you know, Having said that, it's still ultimately one of
Speaker 6: those made by them. It's got some really you know,
Speaker 6: interesting looking areas. The Hobworld is really nice, Mas you are.
Speaker 6: It's got this very pretty pleasant song that I think
Speaker 6: is a favorite among the fans. There's still a lot
Speaker 6: of good boss fights and everything like that, but it's
Speaker 6: definitely not as good as Dark Souls one. I'm not
Speaker 6: gonna be some Dark Souls to hater some people are,
Speaker 6: but I get it. How far I think you are
Speaker 6: in it, I guess I like. So I'm like, I
Speaker 6: think I'm pretty close. So there's three DLCs they're released yet.
Speaker 6: They released three DLCs for this one, and I finished
Speaker 6: one of them and I'm like a couple hours in
Speaker 6: the other one. Then I'm like, right before the final buzz,
Speaker 6: that's what the that's what people are telling me to do, Like,
Speaker 6: because the DLC is usually the hardest content, so it's like,
Speaker 6: do that right before beating the game.
Speaker 2: Generally. Two also has Scholar of the First Sin, which
Speaker 2: so I'm playing that version.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, I was gonna say, honestly, I don't
Speaker 1: even anytime anybody tells me they haven't played that game,
Speaker 1: I'm like, don't bother going back to the like actual og,
Speaker 1: Scholar of the First Sin is much more balanced and
Speaker 1: well paced.
Speaker 6: Right and I've been I've been playing these on stream,
Speaker 6: so like, and you know, if you play Soul's games,
Speaker 6: you're gonna attract a lot of the Soul siccos, which
Speaker 6: is mostly a nice thing because you can ask them
Speaker 6: a lot of questions. Yeah, sometimes you have to tell
Speaker 6: them to not offer it up in voluntarily. It is
Speaker 6: nice to have them there, especially because you know Dark
Speaker 6: Souls two like getting to the DLCs, and that was
Speaker 6: even a problem Dark Souls one, you would never know
Speaker 6: how to access the DLC.
Speaker 2: It's actually in that game. It's it's it's like, go
Speaker 2: to this.
Speaker 6: Area, fight this boss, roll over here, fight this thing,
Speaker 6: talk to this lady two times, go to completely separate.
Speaker 2: Ay, you already were before, Kill that goll and pick
Speaker 2: up that item. Go back. It's insane.
Speaker 6: Here it's a little better, but it's still like you
Speaker 6: have to get a ring from this place and then
Speaker 6: open the door over here.
Speaker 2: Like how would you know that? You wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I was watching like your first dream with that and
Speaker 5: you accidentally joined a cult that made the game way
Speaker 5: harder right away.
Speaker 6: I immediately and the hometown there is a you know,
Speaker 6: there's covenants in the first game, and I barely understood
Speaker 6: what they did.
Speaker 2: I think it was mostly something about spells.
Speaker 6: I don't even know, but I was like, I found
Speaker 6: a stone statue like join our Covenant blah blah blah,
Speaker 6: and my eyes kind of glazed over them.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Sure, apparently I activated hard mode and for a while
Speaker 6: I was like, man, Dark Soils two is.
Speaker 2: A lot harder than Dark So.
Speaker 1: It's a call it that whenever giants go to grab you,
Speaker 1: it warps you to their fists. And then, have you
Speaker 1: played blood Borne Demon Souls?
Speaker 2: I did play Bloodborne, okay, not Souls.
Speaker 6: Though not I played, I've just like started a couple
Speaker 6: of times that I got too far, same fitting the
Speaker 6: Sacro played. It never got too far, So I planned
Speaker 6: to go back to Pacoro and Demon Souls. I want
Speaker 6: to play blood Board again, but but I'm holding I'm
Speaker 6: holding out for some kind of remiss.
Speaker 2: Stop don't know. Some guys do not hold play blood Borne.
Speaker 5: No, because I did that with I replayed Metroid Prime
Speaker 5: and I replayed Papermark, and a certain.
Speaker 2: Level of certainty that they are not working on a
Speaker 2: blood Board remaster. Yeah, I play it, Okay, I'm going
Speaker 2: to wait. I okay.
Speaker 1: Blood Board is one of my top five games of
Speaker 1: all time. I'm telling you it's good enough where you
Speaker 1: could play it, and then if this imaginary PC whatever
Speaker 1: port comes true, you will want to replay it and
Speaker 1: do a new weapon.
Speaker 2: Already framed character.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, keep buying a fifteens five and yeah that's
Speaker 4: not happened. We can just steal Andy Cortez's oh yeah,
Speaker 4: big terms one of him.
Speaker 2: Bloodborne is awesome. I've never played it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever come around in a game
Speaker 1: so hard. Maybe Death Stranding is the only other exception.
Speaker 1: I did not love Sekiro the first time I played it.
Speaker 1: I got like five hours in and I remember like
Speaker 1: it just would not click with me. And then I
Speaker 1: went and I replayed Bloodborne. It's like I got to
Speaker 1: give Secure another chance. Jake Decker talks about all these
Speaker 1: bosses later in the game that sound awesome, and I
Speaker 1: went back and for whatever reason, like the I like
Speaker 1: was more open minded about what it wanted me to do.
Speaker 1: It's all about countering, obviously, and like just like constantly
Speaker 1: pushing yourself toward danger and fights. The more I embraced
Speaker 1: like living on that knife's edge, the more like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I kind of get what this game is doing and
Speaker 1: now it's like, God, that game is genius.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I got five hours into Secord.
Speaker 6: I was enjoying it, but then fell off, and now
Speaker 6: I'm like really excited to eventually get back there started
Speaker 6: again and really be all about it.
Speaker 1: They have boss fights in that game that are some
Speaker 1: of the I mean, Dan, you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: games that make you like, you know, like that first
Speaker 1: pattern recognition in bosses, I love them, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: seci Ro is just there's bosses there that I've never
Speaker 1: gotten into this like such a fugue state as when
Speaker 1: I thought some of those bosses like all right, I
Speaker 1: gotta jump this attack, I gotta perry this one. I
Speaker 1: got a dodge and then I gotta perry. By then
Speaker 1: he should be his key should be down, and then
Speaker 1: I I don't know.
Speaker 6: Now I am worried because my builds in all of
Speaker 6: these games is very tanky, sordid shield thing, and that
Speaker 6: worked really well for me in Elder Ring, worked very
Speaker 6: well for me in Dark Souls one Dark Souls too,
Speaker 6: the shield has been kind of Garbo but sort of
Speaker 6: making it work. But yeah, Cecro, it's it's a much
Speaker 6: more about perrying, which I.
Speaker 2: Never do, but it feels so good that you'll get it.
Speaker 4: You're very good at perrying in Resident Evil four remakes,
Speaker 4: Sonna be Fine.
Speaker 5: I flirted with the idea of going back to because
Speaker 5: it was the first frum game or I guess of
Speaker 5: the like souls type from games that I beat Adventures
Speaker 5: of Cookies and Cream. Hell yeah, let's go your first. No, No,
Speaker 5: Bloodborn is the first one I beat. The reason I'm
Speaker 5: scared of Sekiro is I can't do the thing. The
Speaker 5: from games I beat are like as far as the
Speaker 5: soul's type ones are Bloodborn and elden Ring, and both
Speaker 5: of them I just just cheese and farmed and just
Speaker 5: fucking got super super leveled up, and you can't do
Speaker 5: that in seki Row. The other thing is Kayla, my sister,
Speaker 5: who is maybe the best like games player, Like just insane,
Speaker 5: how quickly you should can pick up and perry and
Speaker 5: do all that shit. I sat and I watched her
Speaker 5: for hours, tried to beat the last boss, and she
Speaker 5: was like, it's impossible, I can't do it. Like and
Speaker 5: if she she beat almost all that game on a
Speaker 5: fucking PlayStation portal in a different floor, then yeah, she's ridiculous,
Speaker 5: and she was like, this is way too fucking hard.
Speaker 1: I think you're selling yourself a bit short. Honestly, I
Speaker 1: think Mike Tyson's punch out is, yeah, if you can,
Speaker 1: you can.
Speaker 4: If you could be Tyson, you could beat anything, any
Speaker 4: boss in any from game.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 4: Can I mod Securo for so all the bosses or
Speaker 4: Mike Tyson probably, and I can play as Jake Paul.
Speaker 2: Which is what you need to beat games. I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: of course Jake Paul sucks.
Speaker 1: For the record, I do think Securo is one of
Speaker 1: the games where you need to you're gonna but like
Speaker 1: bash your head against some bosses. Like there's certain bosses
Speaker 1: that gave me trouble that Jake was like, oh weird
Speaker 1: that I had no problem. Then Jake's like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: the hardest boss in the game, and then I one
Speaker 1: shot it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's more just about like people's mind wrap
Speaker 1: around it, minds wrap around it differently. Yeah, Kayla, not
Speaker 1: being able to beat it scary.
Speaker 5: But I'm not discounting the possibility. I just ooh boy,
Speaker 5: it's probably the one that scares me the most.
Speaker 4: When you do the the front perry where you step
Speaker 4: on the other a person's weapon. It's one of the
Speaker 4: best feelings in the world, less animation. It's incredible and
Speaker 4: you'll get addicted to that and you'll want to get
Speaker 4: through the whole game because better than carrying a chainsaw
Speaker 4: if your knife and it's neck and neck. But don't
Speaker 4: I'm really excited to start Dark Soul's three because apparently
Speaker 4: that one's like a lot like Darksel's one, but faster paced.
Speaker 2: And it is that sounds kind of nice. I got
Speaker 2: so much shit for giving that game an eight at
Speaker 2: game Spot.
Speaker 1: I stand by it, and then Kevin van Ord, who
Speaker 1: reviewed the previous ones before he left game Spot, He's
Speaker 1: also like, yeah, I would have given it eight.
Speaker 2: So everybody was like freaking out about that as well.
Speaker 6: We all have one of those. I gave uh Devil
Speaker 6: May cryt five to seven, and some people are still
Speaker 6: mad at me. But it's all right.
Speaker 2: I was right.
Speaker 1: Dark Darksels three is the one I'm most likely to reap,
Speaker 1: or I'm always the closest to replaying it is. However,
Speaker 1: I think they definitely kind of were more writing the
Speaker 1: ship after two and playing it safe.
Speaker 6: Sure, yeah, because it's like also more of a direct
Speaker 6: sequel to one. Right, a lot of the same bull
Speaker 6: and characters are kind of showing up her references, at
Speaker 6: least to that pantheon of characters where Stark sols too.
Speaker 2: It's almost like a final.
Speaker 6: Fantasy thing where it's like, yeah, it's Dark Souls too,
Speaker 6: but it's not connected to the previous thing in any
Speaker 6: real way.
Speaker 2: Sor He was Mike, I'm an idiot.
Speaker 5: I spent a solid thirty seconds confused because I thought
Speaker 5: you said I gave Devil May Cry five of seven,
Speaker 5: and I was like, wait, I didn't know he was
Speaker 5: reviewing back in one, and I was like, but his
Speaker 5: scoring system was out of seven.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we're real and usual. Gazy had that seven point scale.
Speaker 6: Matic critic hated us five of seven.
Speaker 2: DNC No. Five. Seven is just my seven favorite, my
Speaker 2: second favorite board. Yeah, uh oh yeah, I get that.
Speaker 4: Even I don't know I even with that because seven
Speaker 4: of nine was a big thing. Oh, you wouldn't know
Speaker 4: seven of nine put the lotion under her shirt and
Speaker 4: that one that's also what is this think about the
Speaker 4: sexy Star Trek characters, Mike, we're fucking space.
Speaker 2: Now get on board seven of nine.
Speaker 4: And then t Apostrophe p O l that with lotion
Speaker 4: Apostrophe wear cat suits. Yeah, David, it's uh David du Coveny, No, No,
Speaker 4: it's it's not David Comany, it's the other one. I
Speaker 4: always conflating with the guy from from What's the Time
Speaker 4: Travel show?
Speaker 2: Got Back, Got Back?
Speaker 1: That's super weird. I always got David Ducoveney and John
Speaker 1: Ritter mixed up. Really Okay, spacially, we were talking about
Speaker 1: the company recently because of that's right, what happened with them?
Speaker 1: They were married, but he was like his character on
Speaker 1: Californication and so they divorced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, biography, I know, seven of nine, I remember that
Speaker 2: was her name.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a Quantum Leaf Steve song yet kind of
Speaker 6: incredible and yeah, that's so.
Speaker 4: Happy that you guys ever watched the new Quantum Leap
Speaker 4: would apparently been on for like multiple seasons.
Speaker 6: Now really that's the thing that broke me on reboots
Speaker 6: because it's like, like fifteen years ago, if you told
Speaker 6: me Quantum Leap was back, I was like, well that's important, but.
Speaker 5: Now how the world and no one even talking was like,
Speaker 5: oh miammy device is coming back, and then no one
Speaker 5: talks about to be on the No they like my
Speaker 5: Heami Advice was a hit, but they even stuff like
Speaker 5: the Saved by the Bell, like things that were like
Speaker 5: touchstones of a generation and with the original and no
Speaker 5: one cares full house, Yeah, I think weirdly, Well, for
Speaker 5: a second.
Speaker 2: Well I might have.
Speaker 6: I think it might have throwed off in the end.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but you're right, like every it's at
Speaker 6: a point now where everything gets rebooted.
Speaker 2: So it doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: What could they reboot that would actually have like a
Speaker 5: massive like, oh, this actually matters and we need to
Speaker 5: watch one.
Speaker 2: That seems sacred somehow.
Speaker 4: So far in terms of like rebooting into a new
Speaker 4: movie or show, has been back to the future.
Speaker 2: For like some Well didn't they.
Speaker 4: I think the guys that are responsible that said that,
Speaker 4: they literally will not let it happen until they die, right,
Speaker 4: So like like maybe when that happens, that might be.
Speaker 2: I don't say good, but people will be like, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll take notice.
Speaker 4: Once the Point Break remake happened, I'm like, who cares?
Speaker 4: Who cares? Yes, And I was just like, oh, I
Speaker 4: won't even remember this happened a couple of years from now,
Speaker 4: So like I'm not even gonna get mad about it.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I remember when Liken the Spike TV era and Ren.
Speaker 5: And Stimpy came back, they said, fucking they fuck Now,
Speaker 5: It's like, what that's.
Speaker 6: So freaking weird. That was on that new TV buckets
Speaker 6: that in Stripper re Spike TV, which was the channel
Speaker 6: that played the Star Check the next Generation reruns to
Speaker 6: bring it all back.
Speaker 2: So I was watching for a couple of season TV
Speaker 2: and RAW. So yeah, I was watching a lot of
Speaker 2: Spike TV. Yeah good, grew up. You've been playing Star
Speaker 2: Wars Outlaws.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I kind of got back into it after
Speaker 4: some traveling, and I am glad that I'm able to
Speaker 4: take it slow. I don't envy anyone that had to
Speaker 4: review this game in a handful of days, because if
Speaker 4: you yes, like I acknowledge, there's a lot of mediocre elements,
Speaker 4: especially at the beginning of the game. I think it
Speaker 4: makes a pretty poor first impression. It is a stealth
Speaker 4: game in many ways, and it's not like the best stealth.
Speaker 4: It's not bad, it's fine. You can have fun with them,
Speaker 4: especially if you get into the Knick's character. Who's your
Speaker 4: little sidekick space dog that you could send out to
Speaker 4: basically mess with anything and everything. It can go dance
Speaker 4: in front of a camera and then you can walk
Speaker 4: past the camera and it's fine. It can attack every enemy,
Speaker 4: it can distract every enemy. You can upgrade it so
Speaker 4: eventually it can distract like three enemies at a time.
Speaker 4: You can get very powerful. But that takes time for
Speaker 4: me though, as someone who's like in a weird place
Speaker 4: with Star Wars or there's some stuff I really love
Speaker 4: and some stuff I can find very very off putting
Speaker 4: with some of these shows, and just in terms of
Speaker 4: the quality, not in terms of the like, oh it
Speaker 4: has representation or something.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of weird to talk out there about
Speaker 4: that saying that Star Wars is too Yeah, I wear
Speaker 4: I was wearing the Star Wars shirt on January sixth. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: I can mostly just enjoying hanging out in this space
Speaker 4: because it feels very Star Wars. And that doesn't just
Speaker 4: mean you go to tattooing, which you definitely do in
Speaker 4: this game. I've actually not been there yet. They have
Speaker 4: some new planets that just feel like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: They have some designers that really get it, and every
Speaker 4: five steps is another picturesque Star Wars moment where there
Speaker 4: is someone cooking some awesome space food and there's people
Speaker 4: hanging around out there or they're gambling, and none of it,
Speaker 4: most of it, the vast majority of it, you can't
Speaker 4: interact with. So it is very much like this diorama.
Speaker 4: But I'm like accepting that and just enjoying the ambiance
Speaker 4: of it. And because I'm not rushing to find the
Speaker 4: next fun thing that i can do in this world necessarily,
Speaker 4: I'm just sort of moving through it at my own pace.
Speaker 2: I'm finding that very effective.
Speaker 6: And then when I did the demo, like when the
Speaker 6: planet I was on was this kind of like Savannah
Speaker 6: themes Star Wars, I thought that it was like a
Speaker 6: very interesting biome change.
Speaker 4: Right, So that's because that's a wind biome, and they're
Speaker 4: like there's people who farm wind and stuff for inner
Speaker 4: g and like it's like they know what they're doing.
Speaker 4: They like know what makes like a Star Wars biome work.
Speaker 4: And then I went to a snow planet that was
Speaker 4: instead of like a hath it is actually a very
Speaker 4: populated snow planet. So it's like a lot of structures
Speaker 4: built out of stone and there's a lot of fire pits,
Speaker 4: everywhere and everyone's trying to stay warm, and you go
Speaker 4: inside and there's some opulence, but mostly that's just where
Speaker 4: the crime guilds are.
Speaker 2: And then there's just a lot of people just scraping by.
Speaker 2: And I love that ship. So they go there and
Speaker 2: Rise of Skywalker. Oh really, is that the right?
Speaker 1: Carrie Russell's character at that movie out of his mind?
Speaker 1: But that is that planet is my favorite part of
Speaker 1: that movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 1: It's it's like it's like monk architecture, like yeah, Asian
Speaker 1: monk but sorry, they specifically pulled from Tibetan architecture and
Speaker 1: then put it in like a very blizzardy planet.
Speaker 2: It's super cool for sure, and it works this place
Speaker 2: charted too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, this type of Tibet like this is this
Speaker 5: type of like you know Star Wars and that you
Speaker 5: like to explore. Is did you like like Jedi Survivor
Speaker 5: in that same type of way?
Speaker 4: I do?
Speaker 2: And I've not played through all of the Survivor.
Speaker 4: I kind of fell off because Zelda came out at
Speaker 4: the same time, and I've then I got so busy.
Speaker 4: I haven't gone back, but I love Fallen Order and
Speaker 4: I keep meaning to go back to the Survivor, and
Speaker 4: now that Survivor is on old Gin consoles, I'm going
Speaker 4: to see if it works better on the ally and
Speaker 4: actually play it on there. Oh yeah, so but yes,
Speaker 4: I do like that stuff, and like when I watched
Speaker 4: the shows like Mandalorian. I never loved Mandalorian, but the
Speaker 4: best parts of it were like, oh, some concept artists
Speaker 4: like cooked with this Pacific Northwest planet where they're all
Speaker 4: fishermen and they're wearing like the rubber overalls and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, I like just thinking about what it's
Speaker 4: like to live in these places, and so yeah, I
Speaker 4: like that in most of my Star Wars games, even
Speaker 4: like going back to Shadows of the Empire, where it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: this fun prison planet or whatever, like how does this work?
Speaker 4: And now they're like the sewers on this the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: sewer level. Yes, of course there was.
Speaker 6: When I was at that preview event, I did an
Speaker 6: interview with some people worked on the game, and I
Speaker 6: tried to ask them if they were inspired by Shows
Speaker 6: of the Empire and they looked at me and I
Speaker 6: never felt so old in my life. I looked at Oh,
Speaker 6: it's like, oh, oh no, you people are making a
Speaker 6: Star Wars game, you are like, how dare you bring
Speaker 6: up shows the Empire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I don't know if it was a
Speaker 1: comic con or like DVD commentary. They talked about their
Speaker 1: maybe this is more well known than I'm bringing it
Speaker 1: up as I like, it's a cool tidbit. But they've
Speaker 1: talked when they're designing a new planet, they they they're
Speaker 1: mantra is seventy percent familiar, thirty percent new. So they'll
Speaker 1: take the Pacific Northwest or the Serengetti and then add
Speaker 1: the wind farms or the like the taxi driver seventies
Speaker 1: neon vibes in the city and stuff like that, which
Speaker 1: is like how they grab you with something you know
Speaker 1: or at least have seen online or in textbooks and
Speaker 1: then bring in the weird touch.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they always they always try to ground a lot
Speaker 4: of stuff with familiarity. That was like thinking with like
Speaker 4: the John Williams music too, It's like, oh, so it's
Speaker 4: word's up, but let's use a classical like very familiar score.
Speaker 4: And yeah, that's always been one of the appeals to
Speaker 4: Star Wars. But I played the game and now I'm
Speaker 4: just having fun. Kind of consistently no matter what I'm doing.
Speaker 4: The I did a couple of stealth missions through Imperial
Speaker 4: fortresses that I found very satisfying, just because I do
Speaker 4: have more abilities. Now, the fighting the Imperials doesn't have
Speaker 4: any of the ramifications of like I'm maybe I'm getting
Speaker 4: in good with one of the factions, but I'm definitely
Speaker 4: pissing off another one. It's like, no, you just can
Speaker 4: do whatever you want to the Imperials, and everyone seems
Speaker 4: to be okay with that except for the Imperials, but
Speaker 4: they always are kind of aggressive towards you.
Speaker 2: So that's fun.
Speaker 4: And then I'm like getting the hang of the faction
Speaker 4: system where it's like everything I do is going to
Speaker 4: have those ramifications. And that feels a little bit like
Speaker 4: the Hans Solo fantasy that I would have imagined as
Speaker 4: a kid, where it's like he's just doing his thing
Speaker 4: and sometimes he's really in good with Java, and then
Speaker 4: the next week he did one thing to mess up,
Speaker 4: and now Jaba put out a hit on him, and
Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, that that is happening here. So playing
Speaker 4: it at my own pace has really been nice, And
Speaker 4: I don't know, I'm not sure if it's a game
Speaker 4: I'm like gonna recommend to everybody. But if you have
Speaker 4: an affinity for Star Wars obviously, and you've ever had
Speaker 4: a game where it's like, not everything is working for me,
Speaker 4: but I still enjoying it because of this and this,
Speaker 4: if you've been through that enough times, you'll probably know
Speaker 4: if this is going to be for you.
Speaker 2: You joined the Subach mini game, I am. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a previous in game card game. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I had a pretty bad run right at the start,
Speaker 4: and now every time since then, I've kind of won consistently,
Speaker 4: which is pretty fun.
Speaker 5: I should I should consider playing both Outlaws and Jedi Survivor,
Speaker 5: because I've heard great things about Jedi Survivor. For sure,
Speaker 5: I liked it. I didn't beat it. I got pretty
Speaker 5: far in it, like near the end, and I stopped.
Speaker 5: But like I love the original trilogy, I have like
Speaker 5: weird nostrologia for the prequel trilogy, as flawed as those are,
Speaker 5: and I really liked seven and eight, but then I
Speaker 5: hated nine, And I haven't seen really any of the
Speaker 5: I don't have this plus, so I haven't seen any.
Speaker 2: Don't need to watch it. You can watch and or,
Speaker 2: but that's good. I've heard that's really good.
Speaker 5: It's the best TV show that's ever been made. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: so that is the one I'm curious about. But yeah,
Speaker 5: someone who just does have a certain fondness for Star
Speaker 5: Wars without being a super fan, I feel like these
Speaker 5: games sound good enough towards I'd like to just kind
Speaker 5: of be in that world a bit, you know.
Speaker 4: I think Outlaws might be Yeah, that might work for you, actually, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and then the Survivors just a apparently the story gets
Speaker 4: very good and I like I like that sort of light,
Speaker 4: dark soul style game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, I'm curious what you'd think about Outlaws. I
Speaker 1: think you would like it to a certain extent. However, Grub,
Speaker 1: have you done stealth missions for the main story yet
Speaker 1: main storyline or are they the imperial bases that are
Speaker 1: in the open world.
Speaker 2: I've done both, Okay, gotcha. Uh.
Speaker 4: But the one, the one main storyline imperial based one
Speaker 4: I did was kind of frustrating because I couldn't figure
Speaker 4: out the line they were trying to.
Speaker 2: That was like the Head and the Jar. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I played that one on my preview.
Speaker 4: Yes, And once I figured it out and I got
Speaker 4: to like, like the big there's like a big open
Speaker 4: space and then there's like a kind of something yeah,
Speaker 4: the hangar, and there is some like platforms along the wall,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, where is this leading to? And I
Speaker 4: didn't see that. There was like the wall right in
Speaker 4: front of me. Was like, oh there, now those are
Speaker 4: things I could like climb on the wall. And my
Speaker 4: brain didn't process that. And because of that, I like
Speaker 4: kind of lost for a little bit in there. And
Speaker 4: that was that was frustrating. And at that point you
Speaker 4: don't have a tone of abilities.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that was.
Speaker 4: Well, everything since then, honestly, that was the big hump
Speaker 4: for me, and then everything since then has been a
Speaker 4: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I've seen so many reviews talk about how
Speaker 1: it does the insta fel stealth missions like Circa on
Speaker 1: Charted two.
Speaker 4: Yes, they patched those though, right like they did make
Speaker 4: they did, Yes, they did, actually they did make those easy.
Speaker 2: What did they? Oh? They they like but you know,
Speaker 2: I specifically patched.
Speaker 6: They said the instant failures and the early stealth missions
Speaker 6: were the patch Now whatever that means.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to show.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's good to know for this group though,
Speaker 1: So none of you have played much of Jedi Survivor,
Speaker 1: if any.
Speaker 6: When you're like a couple hours, like five hours ish,
Speaker 6: and then we got kind of busy. I also kept
Speaker 6: waiting for a patch to fix the performance, which like
Speaker 6: maybe never happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the PC version got a little bit better.
Speaker 1: People are saying, Okay, I played on PlayStation, but Dan,
Speaker 1: I know, we talked about fire Skape for and I
Speaker 1: told you, I think if you play more you'll like it.
Speaker 2: I no, one fall in order. I liked.
Speaker 1: However, the thing that Jedi Survivor surprised me. They go
Speaker 1: very hard on the three D platforming in that game,
Speaker 1: like yeahs of time kind of it's wall running and swinging,
Speaker 1: and you get like a triple dump jump triple dump dump.
Speaker 3: That was a single dump Dan, Nice, nice, beautiful.
Speaker 1: No, you start getting air dashes and these like uh
Speaker 1: like supernatural grappling hook stuff.
Speaker 2: It.
Speaker 3: They go harder on the platform in the game.
Speaker 2: Okay, I need to play this.
Speaker 1: Seeing that game is very weird because you get to
Speaker 1: that planet early on that's just huge, and you can
Speaker 1: explore that for like eight hours. I would encourage you
Speaker 1: frog freak, Yes, I would encourage you to keep moving
Speaker 1: to new planets as soon as they open up, because
Speaker 1: you can go back to all these and I think
Speaker 1: that helps the pacing. It gets to the point where
Speaker 1: you're meeting characters that then give you their powers, and
Speaker 1: you're picking up stuff Mega Man style, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you are just like Airborne for ten
Speaker 1: seconds at a time.
Speaker 2: It's whoa, Okay, yeah, it's okay, I should play this. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It gets like a.
Speaker 1: Zelda structure too, in the sense that they're like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: we got to kill this guy and get that thing.
Speaker 1: We had to kill this person and get that thing.
Speaker 1: She's fucking stuff off. We gotta go kill her. Where
Speaker 1: do you want to go first? And you kind of
Speaker 1: pick that game really surprised me. I wish i'd played
Speaker 1: more of it when it first came out, but it
Speaker 1: Jedi's Drivers.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: I don't think people talk about it enough because again,
Speaker 1: I don't think the opening is that strong.
Speaker 5: So I just felt bored and I felt like when
Speaker 5: I started it, I was like, I feel like I
Speaker 5: can see what this is.
Speaker 2: It's just a talk, you know, Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 1: They Also it's it starts doing your building up your
Speaker 1: own cantina and doing like base building, like Red Dead,
Speaker 1: Redemptionry two, Horizon Forbidden West style right, Reiter to.
Speaker 2: The Horizon.
Speaker 3: Right, it's doing those things more like it's more gamifying.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Well, Horizon, for all its faults is a
Speaker 1: video game. I'll get no, for all of its qualities
Speaker 1: is one of the best games ever made. But well,
Speaker 1: I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm a reasonable.
Speaker 2: Three out of seven dumps.
Speaker 3: I still have seven of nine images up on my screen.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen any of you.
Speaker 2: For something wrong with that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm gonna be more to poll over here, but
Speaker 6: I get it. Yeah, who real quick around the horn?
Speaker 6: What's everybody's favorite Star Wars game ever? Jeff God, I.
Speaker 2: Really do like it's Kotor's Tour Dan the go to Mike. First, Mike,
Speaker 2: it's a.
Speaker 3: Tie between galact The Battlegrounds and Empire at War.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 5: Rogue Squadron sixty four, that's one where you light Saber
Speaker 5: fight Darth Vader. That one's great too. Rogue Squadron is awesome. Listen, Mike,
Speaker 5: You're right that way.
Speaker 4: Rouge Squadron two is is a fantastic But Rogue Squadron
Speaker 4: for the sixty four rules.
Speaker 6: I'll probably say I'd probably say Cooteor, Jeff took Its.
Speaker 6: I'll say episode one pod Racer, Yeah, racedors grade, Racers grade.
Speaker 6: I liked Masters of Tarakazi. You know the whole reason
Speaker 6: I like Tarakazi. Listen, it's a shitty fighting game, but
Speaker 6: you love a character named Horror whenever you get happened
Speaker 6: sixth grade for sure. But I think it was like
Speaker 6: R two if you were playing as Luke Erevader or something,
Speaker 6: you could literally just like press it like trim and
Speaker 6: like every kid loves that and just having like a
Speaker 6: button that and make the fucking sword come out.
Speaker 2: And the saber like that felt great. That's good.
Speaker 6: We talk about how we in Blake Club we play
Speaker 6: the doors games ever, and there are some games that
Speaker 6: when people like this is one of the worst games ever,
Speaker 6: that it makes me roll my eyes.
Speaker 2: Masters of tares Kasi is definitely one like, oh, come.
Speaker 4: On, fair.
Speaker 5: I only played the demo disc version that let you
Speaker 5: play as Luke and Darth and me and my friends
Speaker 5: who just like, like, we didn't actually play it. I
Speaker 5: didn't actually like this is a good fighting game. I
Speaker 5: just like pulling lightsabers out there.
Speaker 6: It's clearly no techn but no, it doesn't offend me
Speaker 6: like it offends some people, right right, there was a
Speaker 6: novelty to like playing a fighting game as Luke Skywalker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Spot for Shadows.
Speaker 5: The Empire the Phantom Mess game I bought and I
Speaker 5: tried real hard to enjoy it because I spent fifteen hours.
Speaker 4: That is a.
Speaker 2: Guilty pleasure for me. I like, like, want to play
Speaker 2: it again. It's good. It's not like Jedi Power Battles Box.
Speaker 2: And when I went back to recently was like, this
Speaker 2: game is way simpler and a minute It's like a
Speaker 2: very simple Jedi Power Battles.
Speaker 6: I'm having a weird one one and Dreamcast Yeah, it
Speaker 6: was just a beat them up with the with the
Speaker 6: episode one Jedi that was the only one at the time.
Speaker 2: Plays like kind of fun. But does Mace Wind do
Speaker 2: in it? Base Wind do ob one? Why Gone? And
Speaker 2: like a fourth one? I forget who heard you? Which?
Speaker 4: If I wanted to play one of these Star Wars
Speaker 4: strategy games, which one would you recommend?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: So Empire War still has an active, like very like
Speaker 1: vibrant modding community. Wow, it's I would say that is
Speaker 1: a better RTS. However, I always liked galactic so galactic battlegrounds.
Speaker 1: They took Empire at War two's engine and made it
Speaker 1: into Star Wars, so you might eat Empires two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what did I say, Empire War Empire War?
Speaker 6: Oh sorry, Age Vampires two, right, because that's the one
Speaker 6: I'd like because it was just Age of Empires two
Speaker 6: is Star Wars.
Speaker 3: Like listen, yes, it gets awkward.
Speaker 1: Though when you're in this sci fi game where they
Speaker 1: have literal planet sized lasers that can blow up planets
Speaker 1: and you still the way. They tried to conform to
Speaker 1: the Age of Empires two unit type, so they had
Speaker 1: to make like every army has pummels, which are these
Speaker 1: machines that roll up to buildings and hit them like
Speaker 1: battering rams.
Speaker 3: Like why does Star Wars You know this is Star Wars.
Speaker 1: They have cannons and lasers and whatnot, but they have
Speaker 1: a scenario editor where you could just get a blank
Speaker 1: field and then literate with uh the with at A
Speaker 1: T S and whatnot.
Speaker 5: Oh God, I gotta recommend uh we're playing that Warhammer
Speaker 5: game and they do like an RTS version that I
Speaker 5: gotta tell you about that later.
Speaker 2: So, oh, Warhammer does like an rts, like a did
Speaker 2: you do you know about? You know that dance? Playing
Speaker 2: Space Marine two and it's like, wow, Warhammer, that's this
Speaker 2: is pretty neat. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not as into forty K. I'm into fantasy. Are
Speaker 1: you Are you mocking me? Are you fucking with me?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: I just I started playing my first Warhammer game and
Speaker 5: it's pretty cool, and I just wanted.
Speaker 2: To Space Marine to forty K.
Speaker 1: So to be clear, I'm not the biggest forty K
Speaker 1: person right now. I'm war into fantasy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the part of why Warhammer sucks.
Speaker 2: It's confusing. No, it's not. It doesn't suck.
Speaker 5: It's just like it's very hard to like as a
Speaker 5: as a a person to be like, what the fuck
Speaker 5: is anyone talking about this high fantasy?
Speaker 4: And there's one that and the one that usually takes
Speaker 4: place in their forty thousand it's just not that smarts,
Speaker 4: the one were Lass and Satchels that.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you fuck you mean about?
Speaker 4: Vermentide is as a Warhammer, it's fantasy. There's nine hundred
Speaker 4: Warhammer things. Some of them are figures, some of them
Speaker 4: are rts, some of them are rats and Olden times
Speaker 4: and some of them are crazy space Terminator priests, so
Speaker 4: jealous that Warammer gets so much bullshit.
Speaker 2: I would love that.
Speaker 3: It's like what Star Wars I think for years was
Speaker 3: trying what.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was successfully doing like in a lot of
Speaker 4: ways in the in gamecuber and a little bit before that.
Speaker 5: This is my taste of it, though, and I think
Speaker 5: it's fucking awesome, Like Space Marine two, me grabbing Janner
Speaker 5: playing it. We're a couple of chapters in and god
Speaker 5: damn if that's just not a fun ass game.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, so yeah, Mahart, do you play Total War Warhammer? Yes?
Speaker 2: And then there is what is the other one that's
Speaker 2: like the Company of here Rose one uh age six whatever?
Speaker 1: He was forty k Donald Series forty k. That was
Speaker 1: Relic Entertainment and this Company of Heroes. Okay, yeah, correct
Speaker 1: they did, right, yes, yeah, but no, I play Total
Speaker 1: War which is Creative Assembly, which is they do all
Speaker 1: the historical total workames.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Total War Rome is the last one I play
Speaker 2: back in the day history. That's true. Correct, Good.
Speaker 1: Ever, here's the here's the layer of Fantasy Warhammer that
Speaker 1: people don't always know about. If you're looking at the
Speaker 1: map of the Fantasy Warhamer map, it's just a parody
Speaker 1: of Earth.
Speaker 2: And then Jesus in that one as well.
Speaker 1: There's Jesus figures all over Warhammer Fantasy like Waramer forty K.
Speaker 1: Apparently the Emperor he means Jesus Christ. Yes, Oh, this
Speaker 1: is just the world.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at the picture that there's Africa, there's North America.
Speaker 1: The different factions are like inspired by different historical cultures,
Speaker 1: and then like the Greenskins, the Orcs are actually if
Speaker 1: you hear them.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you could say that there is
Speaker 5: city of Quintechs. Mike lives in the forest of Ahnheim.
Speaker 5: This is about the author, right, think.
Speaker 3: Dan, I know where both of those are.
Speaker 1: To a pinpoint, I could tell you inteent City of
Speaker 1: Quintex is over near like southern It's like a Central America.
Speaker 2: In the petrified forest. That's right. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: The last Warhammer normal Warhammer game I played, I think,
Speaker 6: was the Age of Reckoning, the MMO that was actually
Speaker 6: really good, but then World of Warcoff just kind of
Speaker 6: stole all of its best ideas and used them, and
Speaker 6: then Age of Reckoning died pretty shortly after.
Speaker 1: That was kind of I've been talking to Vinnie because
Speaker 1: Vinnie got the games in a sale, and I'm we're
Speaker 1: trying to find time so I can kind of shirpa him, Dan, Dan,
Speaker 1: I think, I don't think this will actually ever happen. However,
Speaker 1: there's a world in which I actually get you to
Speaker 1: sit down and try it for like a few hours.
Speaker 1: And there's ship you the armies you can build. I
Speaker 1: you would love so much, dude. The rat, the Skaven,
Speaker 1: the rats are Here's the thing. They are based their
Speaker 1: weaponry and their fighting style is based on World War
Speaker 1: One weapons.
Speaker 2: They have, right.
Speaker 1: Have rattling guns that shoot search no search rattling gun
Speaker 1: warhammer three okay, and it's just they shoot this green
Speaker 1: warpstone ship that fell from out of space on a a.
Speaker 3: Is it a meteor or a meteor hits the Earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly what I would expect.
Speaker 1: And then they have ninja rats because they dug underground
Speaker 1: and were trying to come up in the Empire of Man,
Speaker 1: but they dug too far and they came up in Cathay,
Speaker 1: they yes, exactly, and they came up and they came
Speaker 1: up in fantasy like Japan, and they learned ninja there
Speaker 1: and so they became Ninja Rats. And there's a whole
Speaker 1: faction of the Scaven in Warhammer three that is based
Speaker 1: on Sutterfuge and you take contracts to kill different people.
Speaker 1: And then there's there's the Dark Elves who get these
Speaker 1: ships that you can sell up and down rivers and
Speaker 1: then bombard ship from it.
Speaker 2: It's it's can I get okay?
Speaker 5: Because everything I'm hearing I just said a whole podcast
Speaker 5: with Bennie and next Langder this week too, and Benny
Speaker 5: was talking about it Warhammer. Everything I hear about Warhammer
Speaker 5: from everyone sounds awesome and like exactly my mix of
Speaker 5: like super stupid ship that takes itself the right level
Speaker 5: of seriously, Yeah, what does the path for me with Warhammer?
Speaker 5: If I don't want to buy a model train set
Speaker 5: and paint things, I just want to like.
Speaker 2: A lot of the games play play.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Space Marine two is a great intro. It's that
Speaker 1: third person you know, like action shooting and fighting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and let's play Vermin Tide.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dan, we played Tim Terry got us in.
Speaker 2: Well here's the thing.
Speaker 5: I think, So that needs to be like a B
Speaker 5: step for me, because like I don't like fancy stuff.
Speaker 5: The reason I like, honestly, I'm a dumbass and I
Speaker 5: see a terminator priest in fucking Space Marine.
Speaker 2: I'm like, what is this cool dude? And I'm some
Speaker 2: way so invested in this. We could do Dark Tide first,
Speaker 2: then let's do Dark Tide first, and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you gonna ease me into the deep end here,
Speaker 5: you know, like I love everything I'm hearing.
Speaker 1: So it's also important to note there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of speculation about what Creative Assembly is doing next. There
Speaker 1: is the rumor, the Star Wars rumor for a bit,
Speaker 1: which I don't know that that has borne out, you
Speaker 1: yea more than me, but from everything years off, so
Speaker 1: it was more like early talks. However, people are still
Speaker 1: assuming that forty they're going to do Total War Warhammer
Speaker 1: forty k, at which point you're gonna start learning all
Speaker 1: the different factions of Space Marines.
Speaker 4: You're gonna learn like Sarcraft style like Space No Total War,
Speaker 4: but what Dan just like because donav War is considered
Speaker 4: like one.
Speaker 1: Of the Oh yeah Dan, Dan, you could play Dona
Speaker 1: War two is a command and conquer style artists.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, like one, but yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Could see me and you during our Reddular two stream
Speaker 1: kind of stuff with Donna War, Dono War three was fine.
Speaker 1: I would say I think donov War two was the peak.
Speaker 5: Three got co op awesomely screenshots. This looks like like
Speaker 5: I've been moaning, uh Command Conquer being dead forever. This
Speaker 5: looks like the type of ship I want.
Speaker 1: Dude, the company, the developer that made Company of Heroes
Speaker 1: one of the most lauded rts ever, made these.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, hang on now, because I wanted to like
Speaker 5: Company of Heroes back when it came out, but then
Speaker 5: it was one of those things where it's like, I
Speaker 5: don't want to be one dude sneaking around.
Speaker 2: Armies, you know.
Speaker 1: I use that to illustrate the point that at least
Speaker 1: they they know what the No. This is more Plan
Speaker 1: and Conquer, like the unit cap is more absurd, It's
Speaker 1: more StarCraft.
Speaker 2: Okay, I want WAT twenty eleven. Geez, I want to
Speaker 2: tell you this.
Speaker 1: I don't know Donald War three. I honestly haven't gone back.
Speaker 1: Dona four three may have aged better, but it kind.
Speaker 2: Of recent reviews on that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I know, I just like from my
Speaker 6: like very offend knowledge, I know that don War one
Speaker 6: is considered classic. Yeah, and maybe three not so much.
Speaker 6: I don't know War two or Dona. War three is
Speaker 6: still mixed. With recent reviews and Donald War two is
Speaker 6: all very positive.
Speaker 2: On two.
Speaker 1: War one was overwhelmingly positive. Yeah, I still think two
Speaker 1: is better three. Three definitely took a few steps back.
Speaker 1: I think they oversimplified things. I think that that was
Speaker 1: done for three would have been two thousand and fifteen
Speaker 1: or twenty seventeen seventeen.
Speaker 2: Ok.
Speaker 1: I think that was the era where a lot of
Speaker 1: like strategy games were trying to like get as many
Speaker 1: players as possible, so they dumbed down a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Their Final Fantasy sixteen year yep, I get you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Donov War two. I think they didn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck and they were like, let's cater to our audience.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at screenshots in some of this there's a
Speaker 5: weird orc with a pirate hat. I think I'm like
Speaker 5: dangerously close to like wanting to get into Warhammer. But
Speaker 5: if what if we picked a book to read, I
Speaker 5: would do it. We could do a book club of
Speaker 5: a Warhammer book I would do would take a good
Speaker 5: three level one I would do that.
Speaker 4: So actually I got a friend that writes some ones
Speaker 4: about like the like the the Elite Sniper Team and
Speaker 4: stuff is not not no, not Jeff Grubb, although Jeff
Speaker 4: Grubb I think does write some Warhammer books.
Speaker 1: The other h I will say, if you don't like fantasy,
Speaker 1: it's you're you're gonna prefer forty K.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: However, I actually, in my experience, forty K takes itself
Speaker 1: more seriously than fantasy does.
Speaker 5: But I mean just the stuff I've heard about, like, oh,
Speaker 5: the Orcs paint their cars red because I think it
Speaker 5: makes it go faster and because they believe it it works,
Speaker 5: and like all this, and.
Speaker 1: They also the Orcs in Warhammer Fantasy they're inspired by
Speaker 1: uh football hooligans.
Speaker 5: In Okay, the UK. I can like fantasy. I like Zelda,
Speaker 5: like Game of Thrones, you know, like it's honest.
Speaker 2: Forty K like c RPG last year Roade Trader, Yeah
Speaker 2: did you did?
Speaker 3: You guys not talk about in Giant Bomb.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. We have a little bit of
Speaker 2: a c RPG, but I do what I can.
Speaker 1: But yeah, very fair, being very very reductive. It's Balderskate three,
Speaker 1: but Warhammer forty K. Yeah, Dan, you would not like it.
Speaker 1: It's it's even it's eight times more complex than Balderskate three.
Speaker 1: It's not as good as baldersk three. But I still
Speaker 1: know there they have it, but they have every genre.
Speaker 1: Like the point like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I want to keep playing Space Marine two and
Speaker 5: I want to play the RTS stuff. That sounds great.
Speaker 1: Tried out of four too, But again, I think there's
Speaker 1: a there's a point where Warhammer Fantasy. I like it
Speaker 1: less because it's fantasy and more because I there's a
Speaker 1: character called His name is Kiro's Fate. So there's there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of different races and there's dwarves, there's humans,
Speaker 1: there's high elves, there's dark Elves's wood elves, there's orcs.
Speaker 1: There's there's a whole undead faction modeled after ancient Egypt.
Speaker 1: They're mummies, and then there's ones that are based more
Speaker 1: off like Brahm Stoker style vampires. Seeing all these ones clashed,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, okay, I'm gonna go fight the vampire.
Speaker 1: So I got to focus on taking on the leader,
Speaker 1: because then the skeletons and the zombies and these like
Speaker 1: huge bats.
Speaker 2: Will all crumble.
Speaker 1: It's more about like the spectacle just gets so fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 1: The lizard men are dinosaurs and they have like Aztec
Speaker 1: trappings and they it's so fucking funny because these like sarus,
Speaker 1: these like mini like crocodiles will be riding t rexes.
Speaker 1: So they're dinosaurs riding other dinosaurs into battle. Okay, it
Speaker 1: gets to a level of ridiculous where it's the most
Speaker 1: like I honestly like I during some of these battles
Speaker 1: and thinking this is like Dan Reiker level of like
Speaker 1: just fun bullshit kind of spectacle and like pomp It's
Speaker 1: it's it's so fun.
Speaker 4: Did you play bolt Gun?
Speaker 2: Yes? I did play Bultgun was fun, I really was. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I liked it. Yeah, yeah, I thought it kind of
Speaker 2: went on a little long for for what it was,
Speaker 2: but I liked it. Agreed.
Speaker 5: I'm the download bulk Gun because yeah, that did look
Speaker 5: cool from what I saw it. Okay, Bloomer Shooter, I
Speaker 5: want to keep my toe in there and like I
Speaker 5: want to keep playing Space Marin with you guys.
Speaker 6: Bull Guns is great because it has a button that's
Speaker 6: just like the Taunt button. They recorded like five hundred
Speaker 6: lines for like the things he screens.
Speaker 3: There's a forty K show in the work with Henry Cavill.
Speaker 2: At the lead.
Speaker 4: Henry Cavill, he is a huge wow mister Warhammer forty K.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Ner, is it gonna be you like kind of
Speaker 6: good at first? Then the writing is going to let
Speaker 6: him down?
Speaker 2: Yes? Probably?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dan, you were also played what did you play? No, sorry, grub,
Speaker 1: you were playing Plucky.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I played Plucky Squire. A think it's Sucky Squire. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you never said that Squire it is.
Speaker 4: I'm finding it pretty boring. Is kind of where I'm at,
Speaker 4: and it's hard to like. People say, maybe gets a
Speaker 4: little bit better once you get a little bit later
Speaker 4: into it, but I'm finding it very hard to like
Speaker 4: build up the momentum to get past this these early sections.
Speaker 4: I'm about an hour and a half in. I've not
Speaker 4: played it more since we talked about it down on
Speaker 4: the bomb Test.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: What is Plucky Squire is that it's the the storybook
Speaker 4: game where the character is kind of in a Zelda
Speaker 4: like in a little book that sits on a table
Speaker 4: and it's hand painted and it's it's gorgeous, and then
Speaker 4: something happens in the book so that the care gets
Speaker 4: teleported out of the book into the real world and
Speaker 4: then it becomes a three D character that is walking
Speaker 4: among little beetles and coffee mugs and rulers and pencils,
Speaker 4: and it's that's a really cool effect. It's a really
Speaker 4: cool idea. I thought this game looked amazing in trailers,
Speaker 4: and I play it and it's kind of just this slow, plodding,
Speaker 4: deliberate game that stops frequently to tell story and then
Speaker 4: even more frequently to tell you.
Speaker 2: How to play it.
Speaker 5: We love it, and on fire Escape, yeah, it is
Speaker 5: very undoy in a lot of ways. On paper, it's
Speaker 5: something that I feel like me and also you greub
Speaker 5: with love. It's like, we got some Zelda stuff. We
Speaker 5: got a good gimmick with the like jumping in and
Speaker 5: out two D three D, we got platforming sections, we
Speaker 5: have tiny character, big world type stuff, and it occasionally
Speaker 5: does like a clever gimmick thing where oh, okay, you
Speaker 5: interact with this thing in the three D world and
Speaker 5: it does this thing with the two D world, or
Speaker 5: the book turns vertically and it turns into more book
Speaker 5: like climbing level type thing, but none of the actual
Speaker 5: like outside of the gimmicks, none of the moment to
Speaker 5: moment game play feels super engaging or challenging or clever.
Speaker 5: It's just it's got a lot of ideas and it
Speaker 5: just doesn't really run with any of them far enough
Speaker 5: to be very engaging, you know.
Speaker 2: Right, that is and that like, so this is what
Speaker 2: I've heard this.
Speaker 4: One of the reasons I'm like not feeling too encouraged
Speaker 4: to keep playing is when people say it gets better,
Speaker 4: they're saying it it does a little bit less of
Speaker 4: the handholding, a little bit less of you go into
Speaker 4: an area and the camera's going to show you exactly
Speaker 4: what you need to be doing, then you just go
Speaker 4: do it, which I really dislike, and this game does
Speaker 4: a lot of. But even if it did less of that,
Speaker 4: I'm not like believing this game is going to suddenly
Speaker 4: win me over, because I think it's going to keep
Speaker 4: doing what it's done so far, which is, here is
Speaker 4: a new idea. Now you're going to take the words
Speaker 4: out of the sentence and put it into a different sentence,
Speaker 4: and that's going to change the level. And I bet
Speaker 4: it's not going to be a whole game of that.
Speaker 4: There's going to be a couple instances of where you
Speaker 4: do that, and I've heard that as well. So kind
Speaker 4: of having a lot of ideas and committing to none
Speaker 4: of them is maybe going to hold this game back
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 2: Yep, I think we're very aligned on that.
Speaker 5: Like, honestly, with all the stuff coming out that I'm
Speaker 5: curious to play, and even things we've brought up here
Speaker 5: between Warhammer and Star Wars and things I want to
Speaker 5: go back to, the odds of me wanting to go
Speaker 5: back to Plucky Squire are very low right now.
Speaker 4: I still want to try it. Like I'm at the
Speaker 4: people that are wondering. Yeah, I am scared, like I
Speaker 4: might align with with you just based on what I'm hearing,
Speaker 4: but you know, some people seem into.
Speaker 2: It a lot of pondering.
Speaker 4: It's got an eighty four on Open Critics still, John
Speaker 4: Drake loves it. Yeah, even Greg Miller was bored by it,
Speaker 4: and that guy laws everything.
Speaker 2: He's got a terrible taste. Yeah, yeah, Big Star, Starfield
Speaker 2: Defender Grub. I'm curious about UFO fifteen as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just started this same Yeah, and I'm I'm in
Speaker 4: the first game, but I like what they've set up
Speaker 4: immediately where it's like here is you could see all
Speaker 4: fifty games and they have a fake year by them,
Speaker 4: and it goes from like nineteen eighty three to like
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty nine, likes period right any s period. And
Speaker 4: so what they're suggesting here is not suggesting. It is
Speaker 4: like the deliberate like story of the game. The narrative
Speaker 4: of the lore is the UFO fifty was a console
Speaker 4: and or the UFO was maybe a console and it
Speaker 4: existed through this time and the games came out and
Speaker 4: they started this way and they're going to progress and
Speaker 4: some of these games are going to get sequels to
Speaker 4: themselves inside of this. It's a I guess for people
Speaker 4: that don't know, it's a collection of fifty games, but
Speaker 4: it's not like a fifty games in one. It is
Speaker 4: a fake narrative history of these games coming out over
Speaker 4: this period of time, and they are all not many games,
Speaker 4: but like full nes style game.
Speaker 5: Some things that you would find and renting, Like that's
Speaker 5: part of like I've played like the first like four
Speaker 5: games at this point, like we both started playing today,
Speaker 5: I think. And the thing I kind of like about
Speaker 5: it is like some of them kind of suck, and
Speaker 5: I mean that in a way, and that I like
Speaker 5: the first I remember as a kid that had the
Speaker 5: NES and was constantly going to video stores and stuff
Speaker 5: like that and just like looking at Boxer and be like, Okay,
Speaker 5: what is a robo Warrior?
Speaker 2: I'll try this game? What is this thing?
Speaker 5: And then you play it, it's like this is kind
Speaker 5: of confusing and it kind of sucks, but like you
Speaker 5: still have that nostalgia for these games because you just
Speaker 5: played them a lot and you were a kid that
Speaker 5: first game on UFO fifty and around. I'm kind of
Speaker 5: trying to figure out the map. I can't figure out
Speaker 5: where the fuck to go. It's like, okay, my lives
Speaker 5: are as I don't really know.
Speaker 4: Played for a long time, yeah, and all I got
Speaker 4: was eventually I found one chest that would open and
Speaker 4: it gave me fifty bucks. Yeah, and I couldn't I
Speaker 4: couldn't spend it. That's exact same experience. That's the only
Speaker 4: long time, like we searching around so many rooms I
Speaker 4: went into where it's like there are enemies here, maybe
Speaker 4: I can kill some of them, some are too far away.
Speaker 4: They are attacking me, and I have these six lives
Speaker 4: and then if I die, I get a game over.
Speaker 4: It's frustrating, but I think what's going to happen here is, Oh,
Speaker 4: this is like the first game on this system. It
Speaker 4: probably will get a sequel later on in these fifty games,
Speaker 4: and I bet that one will have all these ideas
Speaker 4: that it'll be so much better. And it's like, even
Speaker 4: if that doesn't necessarily happen, there will be a games
Speaker 4: that are like successors in other ways to this, and
Speaker 4: we'll build on these ideas and be different.
Speaker 2: And I find that very cool.
Speaker 4: It reminds me of Retro Game Challenge, which was a
Speaker 4: very similar thing that was a game center CX in
Speaker 4: Japan and it got localized here as Retro Game Challenge,
Speaker 4: where kid is putting he actually gets a teleporty back
Speaker 4: in time, since in front of a console with a
Speaker 4: kid that was during that time might be himself. They
Speaker 4: like have magazines in that game where they read about
Speaker 4: games that are coming out, and then later in the
Speaker 4: game you play those games, and some of them are
Speaker 4: platformers or shooters, and then they get more complicated and
Speaker 4: like one of the last games you play is like
Speaker 4: a full Dragon Quest style RPG. I love that this
Speaker 4: seems like that, but even more even bigger Derek you
Speaker 4: and his friends designing real awesome indie games that exist
Speaker 4: in the eighties. It's such a cool idea, but that
Speaker 4: first game is it sucks?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, It's like I love mini games obviously, or collections
Speaker 5: of games. Like you said, these are not mini games.
Speaker 5: These are things that, like a lot of nys games,
Speaker 5: we're just like, here's this is all you do, you know,
Speaker 5: it's just this, Here's Skykid, and you just that's what
Speaker 5: the game is, you know, And yeah, these are all
Speaker 5: it's not Warrior where it's certainly not like Mario Party
Speaker 5: like mini game types. But I've always loved collections of
Speaker 5: games and this having that theme that like this cohesive
Speaker 5: like okay it is this console and this lore behind
Speaker 5: it and everything. I'm really intrigued by it. It's also
Speaker 5: kind of what I wanted, Like I got so excited
Speaker 5: about the playdate because it's like, Okay, we're gonna have
Speaker 5: a bunch of.
Speaker 2: Weird little games.
Speaker 4: But I get what you're saying, and I've got no
Speaker 4: I've got a play date, And like I still there
Speaker 4: are some very clever things in games that have come
Speaker 4: to that, but overall, it's like I'm not really pulling
Speaker 4: that thing out and charging it every time there's a
Speaker 4: new game or anything. The fact that it's like a
Speaker 4: rare replay for from an alternate universe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: I'm an alternate universe, a different like ANYS competitor that
Speaker 5: only existed in you know, Ireland or something, you know.
Speaker 5: And I'm just having only played four games of it,
Speaker 5: and like all of them they haven't been Like the
Speaker 5: first one is not great, and the second one I
Speaker 5: don't even know if I would i'd call great or anything.
Speaker 5: But it's like I am intrigued to, Like, man, I
Speaker 5: like this concept so much. I think I want to,
Speaker 5: like you can like gold cartridge them by like meeting
Speaker 5: certain objectives, but then you can like cherry red and
Speaker 5: cartridge them by like you know, beating them, beating them
Speaker 5: and having like this built in kind of achievement system.
Speaker 5: Like I kind of just want to like learn all
Speaker 5: these weird games. I think it's such a cool gimmick.
Speaker 6: And I saw up my alley and like you just
Speaker 6: look at screenstets, like the one is clearly like supposed
Speaker 6: to be kind of like a wild guns.
Speaker 4: The one looks like it might me be a bit
Speaker 4: Belda E and that's really cool. So oh yeah, I
Speaker 4: definitely want to play this.
Speaker 2: And like the real suggestion here underlying all this is
Speaker 2: what are they hiding here? Oh?
Speaker 4: Is there stuff like beyond like if I do do
Speaker 4: certain things in these games or like that first game,
Speaker 4: maybe that this is the case with all the games.
Speaker 4: But when you press a start button there's a console
Speaker 4: command thing, the er code like game Genie, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: how do I find those codes that do right? So
Speaker 4: it's like we might be having like a Fez like
Speaker 4: situation here as well, which where that actually doesn't always
Speaker 4: work on me.
Speaker 2: I don't always fall down those those pits.
Speaker 4: But it's like in this case, I think the setting
Speaker 4: is right to sort of catch me with that, and uh,
Speaker 4: I hope it does. And you know, I've already heard
Speaker 4: like some stuff and I'm not going to spoil it here,
Speaker 4: so I won' won't say anything. But it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I want to play this game right now because I
Speaker 4: want to experience this self myself firsthand.
Speaker 2: It's very very people right to self too. Super UFO fifty.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I wouldn't. I literally wouldn't be surprised. Although
Speaker 4: this game took like eight nine years, so maybe they
Speaker 4: want to do something different games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think we're exactly the same spot, Grub,
Speaker 5: and I'm so excited to play more that that's going
Speaker 5: to be a big plan game for me coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Grub. You also.
Speaker 4: You previewed Flight sim Yeah, that's right, and I can
Speaker 4: talk about it here because it's coming out Monday. I
Speaker 4: played I went to the Grand Canyon. I flew a jet,
Speaker 4: a real jet. That was pretty wild. I was in
Speaker 4: a hum Vy tour at like six a m of
Speaker 4: the Grand Canyon and the guy was driving told us
Speaker 4: all about all the people who have ever died in
Speaker 4: the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 2: That was amazing.
Speaker 4: But then I played Flight similar to twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: and I think it is definitely earning being a sequel.
Speaker 4: Like they, this is not just an update to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: This is a new game.
Speaker 4: And the real big thing there is that there's a
Speaker 4: couple of things where I think technologically it does actually
Speaker 4: look improved. It especially looks improved whenever you are flying
Speaker 4: near ground level. It's like orders of magnitude more detailed,
Speaker 4: to the point where a lot of these challenges, these
Speaker 4: new challenge modes, they have in there, and here will
Speaker 4: be like fly a helicopter that goes and scoops up
Speaker 4: water from the ocean and you drop it on forest
Speaker 4: fires to put those fires out. Because now the forest
Speaker 4: looks so good, they want to take you closer to
Speaker 4: the ground. And then that leads into a lot of
Speaker 4: the Career mode, which is I think the most gamified
Speaker 4: Microsoft Flight simulator simulator has ever been. Now, they were
Speaker 4: coquick to say this is still a simulator, this is
Speaker 4: not a video game. But everyone, no matter who they were,
Speaker 4: what kind of player they were, they are asking for
Speaker 4: more stuff to do. This is us answering that. And
Speaker 4: everyone that was there at the event went to this
Speaker 4: mode first. For the most part, I actually went to
Speaker 4: the leaderboard chasing mode first, but everyone else went, Yes,
Speaker 4: everyone else went to the career mode first, because I
Speaker 4: think it's like people want to have some guidance, and
Speaker 4: it's this web of First you're gonna get your pilot's license,
Speaker 4: and then you're you're like your private pilot's license. Then
Speaker 4: you're gonna get your commercial pilot's license, and then you're
Speaker 4: gonna be able to take that and choose the next
Speaker 4: thing on this web and you'll have your choice of
Speaker 4: go and fly one of these helicopters that puts out fires,
Speaker 4: or go and fly an F eighteen, And so you'll
Speaker 4: be able to pick and choose, and it's mostly procedurally generated,
Speaker 4: but it's it does feel more guiding and like you
Speaker 4: have objectives so you can explore all these amazing things
Speaker 4: and all these incredible places that they've recreated with their
Speaker 4: what they call their digital twin of the planet Earth.
Speaker 4: And it's like, oh, this is a really good way
Speaker 4: I think to get in a lot more people into
Speaker 4: this game. And I was really impressed with what they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because most people I know who well not I
Speaker 1: know a few like diehard fans of twenty twenty, but
Speaker 1: most people I know who dabbled in it.
Speaker 2: We're just doing it for like the tourism.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's literally one of the three groups that they
Speaker 4: mentioned were digital tourists, people who come to the game
Speaker 4: to see different parts of the world and like fly
Speaker 4: to Fiji right exactly around Disney World, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 4: We were visiting the Grand Canyon, and I spent a
Speaker 4: lot of time just like this is cool. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: I'm gonna fly around the Grand Canyon and we I
Speaker 4: took off from the Grand Canyon Airport and I'm like, oh, ship,
Speaker 4: that's literally the resort I'm at right now, and it
Speaker 4: looks completely photo realistic.
Speaker 2: It's really amazing.
Speaker 5: Fackler said the Grand Canyon was kind of lame and boring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't impress him.
Speaker 3: But sorry, So in real life you went to the
Speaker 3: Grand Canyon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they flew us out to the Grand Canyon. For
Speaker 4: when he says he flew a jet, he means.
Speaker 5: For real hardy, we say for shoot around here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my mistake. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to fit in. I uh yeah, that was
Speaker 4: the serious vision jet fly a jet. So the Cyrus
Speaker 4: is a relatively newer They started in the nineties private
Speaker 4: plane manufacturer, and they have several planes in the game,
Speaker 4: and as part of that partnership, it's clear they also
Speaker 4: want to like show off their new were jet powered
Speaker 4: private plane, which is a like six seater small plane
Speaker 4: but with a fucking jet engine.
Speaker 2: We got We got in the.
Speaker 4: Plane and I'm sitting in the back seat because I
Speaker 4: didn't want to go in the pilot's seat first.
Speaker 2: I was getting in there.
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, let's ae lst go up there, Charlie
Speaker 4: Hall from.
Speaker 2: From actually Charlie must have been here, and.
Speaker 4: He goes he takes the pilot seat first, next to
Speaker 4: the actual pilot that's there, and then he turned to
Speaker 4: Charlie license yeah, and then he's like, but do you
Speaker 4: want to take off? And Charlie took actually did the
Speaker 4: he did the stick. He wasn't doing the rudders and
Speaker 4: he wasn't doing the throttle, but he actually got us
Speaker 4: up in the air and he flew for a few
Speaker 4: minutes and then I got to take over and I
Speaker 4: got to do the big turn back towards the airport,
Speaker 4: and it was it was amazing, very cool. Before that's
Speaker 4: the first time I had my hands on the on
Speaker 4: a stick.
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming it was like a driver's ed car
Speaker 2: where the pilot could take over if you're about to.
Speaker 5: He could have could take the break that he could
Speaker 5: It is the teacher. It's just an eject.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, there are several cool things about this jet.
Speaker 4: One is there's a giant red button that anyone in
Speaker 4: the plane can reach that is a return to ground
Speaker 4: if the pilot dies, like if he has a heart attack.
Speaker 4: You hit this button and What it does is it
Speaker 4: doesn't like go back to your airport. It finds the
Speaker 4: nearest airport, creates a flight plan, tells the traffic control
Speaker 4: here's what's going on. I'm going to land the plane
Speaker 4: now automatically, and it just lands him. Now if the
Speaker 4: engine fails. There's another big thing you can pull that
Speaker 4: is a whole plane parachute A and they just about
Speaker 4: to say as a joke, it has it and it's
Speaker 4: like what we watched videos of it and it's like
Speaker 4: that looks incredibly. It just works. Apparently it's already saved
Speaker 4: like a lot of lives because they've been doing it
Speaker 4: for the first.
Speaker 3: Comes out of the whole plane and the whole caps, which.
Speaker 4: I want to say is I can't remember what that
Speaker 4: actually stands for, but it's yeah, caps, it's the parachute
Speaker 4: system that but the pea stance for parachute.
Speaker 2: Yes, it does. In the s Stanser system, it's like
Speaker 2: a cabin I don't automatic parachute system.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it shoots out so like for the prop
Speaker 4: propeller planes, it kind of shoots out the back, so
Speaker 4: at first it like is going nose down, but then
Speaker 4: it like does likely yea the triple dump for the jet.
Speaker 4: It actually comes out of both the front and the
Speaker 4: back and it just lands flat on the ground and
Speaker 4: it's incredible. But he had a stick on his right hand.
Speaker 4: I had the stick on my left hand, and you
Speaker 4: could see like for a little bit he's keeping his
Speaker 4: hand there in case. But then for a while he's
Speaker 4: like talking to the guys in the back, and I'm
Speaker 4: just flying the plane. The thing with these planes is,
Speaker 4: while they are mechanical, they're not fly by wire where
Speaker 4: a computer is like doing a lot of the work
Speaker 4: for you. If you get like if you would try
Speaker 4: to like actually make this plane, like to do a
Speaker 4: loopy loop or something like that, the plane just won't
Speaker 4: let you. It's basically impossible for someone to crash these planes.
Speaker 2: It was really cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would immediately if I got in this copilot seat.
Speaker 1: I turned the pilot, but like, I hope you brought
Speaker 1: your xanax and then try to do a barrel roll.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he tried to do a barrel and it's like
Speaker 4: it takes them that far and then it beeps at
Speaker 4: of me is like nope, in it like leveled it out.
Speaker 2: On Its really similar automation.
Speaker 5: And sailboats sound fucked up.
Speaker 2: Hey, Dan, you're you don't like flying? You want to
Speaker 2: fly a jet? I would do it?
Speaker 3: Would that I would help, like being in control of
Speaker 3: this control.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know what, because for me, it's like
Speaker 5: everyone that's afraid of flying it for the most part,
Speaker 5: seems to be because they're afraid that's gonna crash or something.
Speaker 5: It's like, I have the utmost faith in pilots and
Speaker 5: the technology, and it's like I've never once thought there's
Speaker 5: gonna be a crash or a terrorist incident.
Speaker 2: It's all this I fear of the panic attack.
Speaker 6: That's how I am with some of like the big
Speaker 6: rides I don't like, not afraid I'm gonna get for sure,
Speaker 6: but like playing fights somewilar twenty twenty, Like you know,
Speaker 6: I was like a little wary of planes, and I'm
Speaker 6: pretty good now. But I do think that that did help,
Speaker 6: like actually learning how airplanes, like a.
Speaker 2: Book about that.
Speaker 4: It is nice to know that. It's like, oh, that's
Speaker 4: that sound is probably this you know right exactly? Yeah,
Speaker 4: But the game itself is is really solid. I was
Speaker 4: playing with a hands on throttle and stick a HOTSS
Speaker 4: and Vinnie was there and he was playing with a yoke,
Speaker 4: so he was doing a lot of the big planes,
Speaker 4: and I was flying Fa teen's and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: and it's just it feels really good.
Speaker 2: You can dial it in uh where where like I did.
Speaker 4: I was doing the challenge with the Fa teen, flying
Speaker 4: really like near to the ground in the Grand Canyon,
Speaker 4: going through these gates, and at first I was crashing.
Speaker 2: A lot, and eventually I was on Mavericks shit.
Speaker 4: It was top gun Mavericks shit, and I just got
Speaker 4: to a point where it was like I got through
Speaker 4: this hole. Do you attack the enemy base? I attacked
Speaker 4: the enemy base targeting turn off. I did like, I
Speaker 4: did that cool like air drift and stuff on a
Speaker 4: couple of turns. I felt very cool.
Speaker 2: Everybody looks over at Grub and he's doing that the
Speaker 2: ten geest.
Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, Eric Greenberg did walk behind me,
Speaker 4: and I was like being very like I was gesticulating
Speaker 4: a lot. It's like, damn Grub, and I'm like, that's right,
Speaker 4: fucking stand back, Aaron Greenberg, Dude.
Speaker 2: Did you talk?
Speaker 6: Did did you and Aaron Greenberg talk about me? I
Speaker 6: sat next to him at games Can We didn't, but
Speaker 6: we did everything. We did joke about him throwing me
Speaker 6: off a cliff, so that was fine.
Speaker 5: Yeah, our crazy stunt like game press events back because
Speaker 5: between you're just the middle.
Speaker 2: It's like some classic O seven three sixth era shit.
Speaker 5: Uh me and Jan are doing some crazy shit next week,
Speaker 5: like trips that sound very Surrey and fun separate trips
Speaker 5: to yeah, very separate different things.
Speaker 2: But like, I don't think I know what Jan's doing
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 5: And it's weird. Yeah, I put the medal your man.
Speaker 5: Are we doing this again?
Speaker 4: I could does feel it feels. So I think what's
Speaker 4: happening is is these companies realize. So the way this
Speaker 4: one worked is we were there for the press day
Speaker 4: and there was a foreign press day of the day before,
Speaker 4: and then the day after was going to be the influencers.
Speaker 2: So I think they're like, we can get our money's.
Speaker 4: Worth by doing all of them in one event, back
Speaker 4: to back to back, and it's like, this is actually
Speaker 4: not worth it again, So.
Speaker 2: I wonder who they like the most. One will day
Speaker 2: is their favorite?
Speaker 4: Well, I bet the people that like pay for all
Speaker 4: like the influencers the best, and I bet the people
Speaker 4: who run.
Speaker 2: It like us the best. Just the old guy media people. Yeah, exactly, yeah,
Speaker 2: nodding vigorously. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But what's we talked about? Summary movies? What's the best
Speaker 2: plane movie ever? Real quick?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Is the Air Force one? You think it's conn air
Speaker 2: A decision?
Speaker 1: I mean vy based on Airplane Man Executive air Passenger
Speaker 1: fifty seven is really good, awesome.
Speaker 3: I think I min as Air Force one.
Speaker 5: Watched Air Force one about three years ago, and I
Speaker 5: was a little disappointed because, like I forgot how often
Speaker 5: they're going down to like here's Glenn Close, the vice president,
Speaker 5: talking about politics, like no, just have the ass kicking
Speaker 5: president out there.
Speaker 1: Being, you know, president played by Harrison Ford. It's finally
Speaker 1: very good. Finally ejects the terrorist vice president basically in
Speaker 1: the form of Gary Oldman off his plane by punching
Speaker 1: the parachute button on his chest.
Speaker 2: He says, I did love Air Force. He says, is
Speaker 2: get off my get.
Speaker 4: I know it's very good, but I decisions underrated exacut decision.
Speaker 4: Kurt Russell John leg doesn't say that is I'm very
Speaker 4: patriotic for me. Of course, I think the rocket rocket
Speaker 4: is an airplane. It's there's a lot of airplanes in
Speaker 4: that movie.
Speaker 3: That's That's another really good closing line from Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2: Is in knowledge is their treasure?
Speaker 3: No clear and present danger at the very end, have
Speaker 3: you seen clar and present danger?
Speaker 6: Yes, I've seen clear present danger. That's my favorite hacking scene. Dan,
Speaker 6: You've got me with that idiote.
Speaker 1: He says that this guy says like the President says
Speaker 1: to Harrison Ford. He's basically trying to encourage Harrison Ford
Speaker 1: to play along with this cover up, and he says,
Speaker 1: it's the old Potomac two step. It's just how we
Speaker 1: do things, like I'm sorry, mister President, I don't dance,
Speaker 1: and then he leaves the Oval office.
Speaker 2: Pretty good.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's clear President Danger better than Patriot Games. Actually,
Speaker 6: Picture Games is the one about the Irish the IRA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Richard Harris plays the famous IRA leader and then
Speaker 1: Sean Bean is the villain and Harrison Ford.
Speaker 2: Harris Hunt for the Red October. Hunt for the October
Speaker 2: is by far the best.
Speaker 1: My family, my siblings and I argue about whether Hunt
Speaker 1: for Red October, Clear and Present Danger or Patriot Games
Speaker 1: is better.
Speaker 2: They're all, what, yeah, what about some of some of
Speaker 2: all fears? If people do not care about that one
Speaker 2: anymore that's not there when it came out. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: that character still, right.
Speaker 4: What about the Chris Pine Jack Ryan one or the
Speaker 4: gym from the Office Jack Bryan.
Speaker 2: Hey, that that first season was pretty good man.
Speaker 1: That Harrison So the Harrison Ford episode of Conan O'Brien
Speaker 1: podcast was really good.
Speaker 2: Very we're always amazing together.
Speaker 4: I adore con Air, so I think I might actually
Speaker 4: I put the Body of the bed. It feels like
Speaker 4: the most me movie ever.
Speaker 5: But it was sandwiched between The Rock and Face Off,
Speaker 5: and I was obsessed with the Rock and face Off
Speaker 5: and Connor. I just liked, you know, I didn't like Conye. Wow,
Speaker 5: it's a lot of I love Connor is a lot
Speaker 5: of funders. I would say, if we're writing out of ten,
Speaker 5: the Rock and face Off are both tens. Conye is
Speaker 5: an eight point five. Were's gone to sixty seconds. I'm
Speaker 5: not a car guy, so I never really cared about
Speaker 5: that one.
Speaker 2: Wow. Well, but oh it's so fun. Oh I think
Speaker 2: a movie is so fun that a car guy. I
Speaker 2: like that movie.
Speaker 6: If I'd say a Rocketeer, if you don't let me
Speaker 6: have Rocketeer, then I'll say pop Gun.
Speaker 4: Maverick Airplane's pretty good.
Speaker 1: I do enjoy the airplane in Au and it's always sunny.
Speaker 1: The Gang Beats Bogs episode you have me watch. They're
Speaker 1: they're just referencing all these movies because they're like Mac
Speaker 1: and Charlie Like. If there's anything that movies like Past
Speaker 1: your fifty seven executive Decision have taught me is that
Speaker 1: there's a hatch I can access to let me freely
Speaker 1: navigate the bowels of the play.
Speaker 2: I'll even say Doctor two.
Speaker 5: I know Diehard two isn't beloved, but Dieheard two does
Speaker 5: some fun playing stuff.
Speaker 1: Can I admit I forgot about I've seen Doc Doc
Speaker 1: one I think ten times. I have never I've seen
Speaker 1: Living Here. Diehard I have never seen any other time
Speaker 1: Hard movie.
Speaker 4: Is incredible. What I heard with the Vengeance is incredible. Mike,
Speaker 4: you take all the noises he wants.
Speaker 2: It's awesome.
Speaker 6: Di Diar two, die Harder Dire Vengeance is the third one,
Speaker 6: and then heard I am admittedly definitely more down on
Speaker 6: that than like ninety percent of people.
Speaker 4: I go one for three, two and I haven't seen five.
Speaker 4: Best you want four two, three, five is one of
Speaker 4: the worst movies.
Speaker 5: That's what I heard Tim Terry say and Tim is
Speaker 5: a huge diehard mark, so I was like, if Tim
Speaker 5: says that, I don't heard?
Speaker 2: No, that was a good another day, good day to
Speaker 2: die heard. I heard another another Day, which is James Bond. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's an okay Bond movie.
Speaker 4: Nos, the Invisible Car and the Laser and it has.
Speaker 3: Come back to life with diamond skin.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Movie stupid in a way that I like. Yeah,
Speaker 2: best train movie. Sorry, let's.
Speaker 4: Like Unstoppable Lot under Siege too, I have I'm gonna
Speaker 4: watch Understage two. I Understage one is actually my number
Speaker 4: one guilty pleasure.
Speaker 2: I've never seen one.
Speaker 4: I've only seen Love under Siege one. I watched that
Speaker 4: like twenty times.
Speaker 2: I love it. I've been meaning to rewatch snow Piercer recently.
Speaker 2: That one probably the best. What is it? Trained to
Speaker 2: Busan is the one? Really got the same director?
Speaker 3: Oh wait, we forgot about the plane one done two
Speaker 3: train movies?
Speaker 2: What's that? Bong Joote? Ho? Has he Trained to Busan?
Speaker 2: Snow Piercer too? Right? Yeah? Yeah he ban?
Speaker 4: Yeah, trains are great in movie Train to Busan?
Speaker 2: Why did I think? No? He did not? Oh did
Speaker 2: you see Source Code? Yes? That movie? That's good. Rules
Speaker 2: I love Faculus in it. It's the voice of the father.
Speaker 4: Yes, we forgot when we're talking about planes about money
Speaker 4: playing with Kelsey Grammar and Alex.
Speaker 2: Gonna bring it up an alligator. We also forgot airplane
Speaker 2: no planes like yes, source code unstoppable. What do you
Speaker 2: guys think about Bullet Train saying it? Yeah, there speak
Speaker 2: of a bond.
Speaker 1: That dude in Bullet Train is rumored to be the
Speaker 1: next bond or he I mean, there's the new person.
Speaker 4: Divorce from was like his wife and stuff that was
Speaker 4: apparently like a cradle robbers. She's like much older and
Speaker 4: like was his manager and stuff, and people are very
Speaker 4: happy for him. I know way too much about this guy.
Speaker 2: Can't remember something.
Speaker 4: Taylor Johnson or yeah, Aaron Tarolaylor Johnson he played Quicksilver
Speaker 4: in The Avengers too, or but he.
Speaker 2: Was also in Bullet Train. But there he's like Count Dumbo.
Speaker 2: Why not Casey Jr. Is very prominent in a Casey
Speaker 2: Junior's coming round.
Speaker 4: You're saying this in the Germany Travel money Train with
Speaker 4: Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson.
Speaker 2: Why is there a money train and a money plane?
Speaker 2: Money everything automobile? So good?
Speaker 6: Oh sure, But that's everything. That's why it's so good.
Speaker 6: I did not see Murder on the Orient Express. New
Speaker 6: one for Sunrise only has the beginning of the movies
Speaker 6: on trains.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I cared that what Bond was
Speaker 2: it was it Specter that had a big, a big
Speaker 2: second day stopped good trains? I had a train.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, that's opening the opening, the opening action
Speaker 4: sequence on the train. I think that was Specter that
Speaker 4: was I do not like the poor Express. I find
Speaker 4: it very upsetting. I do not like that weird motion
Speaker 4: capture express. Really, it's gross. The train scene in studio
Speaker 4: or in one of the best place to train. It's
Speaker 4: just not quite prominent enough train movie.
Speaker 2: But boy, there should be more train movies. I agree.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Your favorite caring levels in video games rule the end
Speaker 4: of Gears War One, the end of a Chartered two,
Speaker 4: and Charted Lost. Like, even though it's disappointing, Hitman's train level.
Speaker 4: I just liked that I was on a train, so.
Speaker 2: I gave it a lot. But I was excited I
Speaker 2: was on a tree.
Speaker 1: Ye, wish they were Times Splitter's Future Perfect had a
Speaker 1: train level as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Trophies, the Times Splitters PlayStation. I'm about to be
Speaker 5: on a shoot bullet train for the first time soon.
Speaker 2: And I wonder where you're going. Is that not a
Speaker 2: concept that is in many places there's speed trains.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm gonna be on a high speed train.
Speaker 5: Could be I'm going to Denmark, but I'm very excited.
Speaker 2: Denmark should be the second place to get Is there
Speaker 2: only one bullet train?
Speaker 4: I think there's one that's referred to as the bullet train. Okay,
Speaker 4: we'll try to figure it out. I'm doing Yeah, I'll
Speaker 4: never tell. Yeah, I'm very excited though, because trains are
Speaker 4: cool as well.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna ask for favorite car is.
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask if they are in multiple places.
Speaker 2: I'm starting not very many, but they are. I'm in
Speaker 2: one of these. I'm in one of the like under
Speaker 2: you're going to Saudi Arabia fandom. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Gonna ask what your favorite car movie is. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: ask is there a better car movie than Mad Max,
Speaker 1: Fury Road or Versus Ferrari is like an ultimate dad movie?
Speaker 4: And I'm not even a dad, but I never feel
Speaker 4: more like a dad than when I'm watching Correct Drive.
Speaker 1: Week drives. Okay, this is, like, dude, really a hot take.
Speaker 1: I hated that, Okay, I loved it when I first
Speaker 1: saw it. I watched it all the time. I'm the
Speaker 1: exact demographic. I'm sure you're not surprised I liked it.
Speaker 1: I rewatched it like two years ago. My wife saw
Speaker 1: it for the first time, and maybe it was because
Speaker 1: I was seeing it through her eyes for the first time.
Speaker 1: That movie is a bit cringey now really, yeah, I bet,
Speaker 1: I bet it's tough.
Speaker 3: So many of the scenes are just.
Speaker 1: Is it Carrie Fisher, Kerry Mulligan and Ryan Gosling staring
Speaker 1: at each other? And then I think that soundtrack has
Speaker 1: become so like has been so many times the real yeah.
Speaker 2: Point.
Speaker 3: But we rewatched Baby Driver a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2: I hated that. I hate it. Baby Driver is amazing.
Speaker 2: I loved it this time. I don't like that.
Speaker 3: I was on board for what it was doing, the energy,
Speaker 3: the fucking just like you do.
Speaker 2: Have to get on board.
Speaker 5: Just trying to show off is like who's my playlist.
Speaker 5: It's like a guy at a party who's like, check
Speaker 5: out my music, based you know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I generally don't like anse Algre but the movie you
Speaker 3: just was so.
Speaker 2: Can like that I couldn't help. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like Rush the not for for versus far the
Speaker 4: other racing movie about like the Australian guy and the
Speaker 4: German guy. Yeah, Rush is is a really good racing movie.
Speaker 2: I'll just say again.
Speaker 6: I do like Gone sixty Seconds a lot past and
Speaker 6: Furious obviously speed Racer.
Speaker 2: Speed Racer is actually probably the best.
Speaker 6: That's one that I haven't seen that I bet I
Speaker 6: would love. I never saw either of the Italian Jobs,
Speaker 6: and I know those are well, but like the Italian Job,
Speaker 6: death Proof is kind of fun.
Speaker 4: Actually. My favorite car movie is Tucker the Man in
Speaker 4: His Dream with Jeff Bridges, about the Tucker Car company
Speaker 4: that was in Chicago and they like how the Detroit
Speaker 4: automakers like shut it down. It's yeah, Francis Port Copla
Speaker 4: very much, dad movie. Anytime it was on TV, I
Speaker 4: would watch it, and yeah, I love Tucker where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: oh I see it's on where it's like I will
Speaker 4: sometimes be like I'm gonna go watch that on my
Speaker 4: Plex and just put on Tucker and what that would
Speaker 4: be my night?
Speaker 2: Did anybody see the Ferrari movie? Yeah, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 2: It's good. Oh, it's I haven't like Michael Good. It's
Speaker 2: a bit weird.
Speaker 6: It has like it's mostly just a drama with like
Speaker 6: sudden bursts of extreme violence.
Speaker 4: Oh there's one part where it's like, oh my god, Okay,
Speaker 4: that was a shocking, pretty shocking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well grand Turismo overall, how how would you forget? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I should have made that joke about Aaron Paul's need
Speaker 2: for seed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love Drive Angry that Nicolas Marty's probably right,
Speaker 5: it's probably, it's actually probably.
Speaker 2: I was gonna watch Furiosa on a plane recently. I
Speaker 2: didn't watch Good was.
Speaker 1: Seven, and there was h every once in a while
Speaker 1: I had to like look around to make sure people
Speaker 1: weren't looking at my screen.
Speaker 2: I love seven.
Speaker 6: Oh it's awesome. It's just like there's some very ships airplane.
Speaker 6: Like that's not like generally my thing, like a seven, right,
Speaker 6: like kind of like uh, but like I like seven,
Speaker 6: I get it, sevens of nine. It's like the five
Speaker 6: of seven you gave, don't Yeah, my favorite rating skill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there there's a there's probably more cars. Cars. Oh, cars.
Speaker 6: Cars one's five, Cars two is terrible, Cars three surprisingly fine.
Speaker 6: Cars two is just Uh, it's a spy movie starring
Speaker 6: the comedic sidekick for the last movie, who, as a
Speaker 6: dupest comedic sidekick, is incapable of character growth, so like he's.
Speaker 2: Just kind of stumbling through situates.
Speaker 4: It's a bad It's like a whole episode of Mister Magoo.
Speaker 4: But that's a future show. It really is.
Speaker 2: It's like I like the live action this too Magoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, way, all right, you guys want to do emails?
Speaker 1: Oh sure, sure, I guess so, yeah, okay. As always,
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Speaker 2: Uh. I don't ever need corrections, so don't worry about that.
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Speaker 4: Yes, the ones from a hearty send to Mike Manatti.
Speaker 1: Yes you can sending questions we've read on air we
Speaker 1: have tonight. The first is from Katie from Knoxville High
Speaker 1: fire Escapators. I love listening to you all every couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. I've recently been playing Kingdom Hearts two again.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the story, but have a hard time
Speaker 1: piecing it together after bits of combat. I tend to
Speaker 1: forget once I'm actively playing replay. The game was spurred
Speaker 1: by Snowbike mic from Kind of Funny and his Kingdom
Speaker 1: Hearts playthroughs. I've started looking into books that explain the
Speaker 1: Lord because I tend to remember more about a story
Speaker 1: if I read it. So my question is, has a
Speaker 1: story from a series or franchise ever intrigued you so
Speaker 1: much that you want to inhale as much of the
Speaker 1: lore as possible. Also, I guess this would be more
Speaker 1: for Minati, but they didn't say that specifically. But also,
Speaker 1: if you have rex for good reading material for Kingdom Hearts,
Speaker 1: I'm here for it again.
Speaker 2: Love you guys.
Speaker 3: That is Katie from Knoxville.
Speaker 6: Huh So, in terms of reading material for for Kingdom Hearts,
Speaker 6: there is like a manga version of I think most
Speaker 6: of the games or manga excuse me, so, uh, I
Speaker 6: was gonna set that upting Everybody yet a triple dump.
Speaker 6: So you know, if you play, if you read that,
Speaker 6: you kind of take it at its own pace and
Speaker 6: it's a little bit different. So that's fun funny. They
Speaker 6: brought up that snow Bike Mike extreme because it is
Speaker 6: it's good funny.
Speaker 4: If you want to get into the lore, just go
Speaker 4: watch one of the incredibly long YouTube videos ones.
Speaker 6: That also like do explain the lore, but they're very
Speaker 6: funny too, So those are those are a good way
Speaker 6: of doing it. Yeah, I get get a little bit
Speaker 6: into the lore of some things. I mean, even still,
Speaker 6: even though I love Lord of the Rings and know
Speaker 6: a lot of it, there are some very good Lord
Speaker 6: of the Rings lord channels and the Lord there goes
Speaker 6: so deep right into things that like you know, are
Speaker 6: more in the summer, really in and whatnot. So I
Speaker 6: love those little lore videos about middle or still. But
Speaker 6: I did like a few for Elden Ring when when
Speaker 6: that was happening. I know, some of those were very popular,
Speaker 6: super deep in there. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say
Speaker 6: from Software.
Speaker 1: I mean it's also a result of how from Software
Speaker 1: tells their stories. They they intentionally are obfuscating most of
Speaker 1: it and then drift feeding in items and just like
Speaker 1: passing conversations. But yeah, there's there's vati video does really stuff.
Speaker 1: And then two more way back in the day turned
Speaker 1: me onto uh, who was the one that does the bloodborn?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'll find it, but there's there's Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's Batividia okay, but yeah, from software I
Speaker 1: got really obsessed with. The obvious answer is like I
Speaker 1: wasn't into Warhammer until I played Total War Warhammer two.
Speaker 3: I didn't play the first.
Speaker 1: I demoed the first game for a preview for game
Speaker 1: Spot and that I had never played a Total War before,
Speaker 1: embarrassed myself, and then played two, and then at that
Speaker 1: point went back to the historical games. But that's what
Speaker 1: got me into Warhammer Fantasy because I'm seeing every unit
Speaker 1: from the tabletop game in their digital form.
Speaker 2: But they got you into Warhammer and Total War Yes, wow, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the potent. Yeah, there's a reason that.
Speaker 1: That's like all I talk and think about sometimes, because
Speaker 1: both of those things are pretty complex things to dive into.
Speaker 2: Talking about it. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking. I just kind
Speaker 1: of I usually keep my interest to myself and don't
Speaker 1: rave about them.
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 2: I can help you out though. The Lawer's not that confusing.
Speaker 2: And Kingdom hearts too.
Speaker 6: You know when when Sora stabbed himself with Riku's key
Speaker 6: blade in Hollow Bastion uh and released his heartless that
Speaker 6: also simultaneously created his nobody Roxis.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: So then Roxis kind of woke up on his own
Speaker 6: and ended up joining Organization thirteen, whose goal was to
Speaker 6: assemble Kingdom Hearts so that they could find their own hearts,
Speaker 6: because because they didn't have any.
Speaker 2: To be clear, heartless have hearts. Nobodies don't have much.
Speaker 4: Too.
Speaker 1: Begins with your Roxis and you're in You're in this
Speaker 1: like Bizarro sun drenched town and you're eating these.
Speaker 6: Blue popsicles, and it turns out you're in a computer
Speaker 6: simulation of Mike.
Speaker 5: Listen, you have three sentences sum up the trilogy of
Speaker 5: Kingdom Hearts. Uh, the power of friendship wins.
Speaker 2: I only need one. Roxis is Sora with an X true?
Speaker 2: Is that like evil Sora? No, not evil? The fact
Speaker 2: he's pretty cool. We like rocks. Max is good. I
Speaker 2: have very fond memories of Kingdom.
Speaker 4: That is so man Honestly, Marty, It's been so long
Speaker 4: since I've talked to somebody, and I still like Cam
Speaker 4: who likes king I spell.
Speaker 1: Rock six again r O x A s I Kingdom
Speaker 1: Hearts one and two I had I my fevorite.
Speaker 2: I never played three. Three is fun. It's it's a
Speaker 2: little easy, and the story does get very stupid.
Speaker 6: Wars no stars will probably be Yeah, in the one
Speaker 6: that trailers they show like for a second, what looks
Speaker 6: like endors, So it'll probably before King two is definitely
Speaker 6: just one of my favorite games ever.
Speaker 2: I actually legitimately love it.
Speaker 1: What's Kingdom Hearts one gets going? It's phenomenal. Also, I
Speaker 1: still listen to Traverstown music everyone.
Speaker 6: So those soundtracks, Like even Jeff will have to give
Speaker 6: respect to the soundtracks because you love Memora.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, I write that it's a really good soundtrack.
Speaker 2: I like the lote.
Speaker 4: I just didn't enjoy playing that game composed. I got
Speaker 4: frustrated very often.
Speaker 5: Mahardy, have you hidden this for this long that I
Speaker 5: had no idea you'd even played Kingdom.
Speaker 1: Hert I contain multitudes and you don't I know that
Speaker 1: told you know that talking he's like talking about experimenting
Speaker 1: with Krack in college.
Speaker 2: What It makes me a little consplained.
Speaker 4: What but yeah, I've never heard. You've made some very
Speaker 4: popular series. Lots of people have played Kingdom Heart. It
Speaker 4: doesn't make it okay.
Speaker 5: There is a fervor among Kingdom Hearts fans that I
Speaker 5: look I get being a big fan of a franchise
Speaker 5: and stuff, But I have been in the same room
Speaker 5: as people when like a new Kingdom Hearts trailer is announced.
Speaker 2: Their reaction to it.
Speaker 3: Is like, it's not like this who doesn't Reddit?
Speaker 2: Is not like.
Speaker 4: I understand excitement. I've certainly make if you showed a
Speaker 4: new metal gear or something. I've been oh ship, that's Naiomi,
Speaker 4: that's this, Oh my god, Righting's got this or whatever.
Speaker 4: But I have seen people have like, uh reactions that
Speaker 4: are religious experiences.
Speaker 5: Way beyond like I cried the Twilight Princess did those
Speaker 5: type of reactions.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not at that level.
Speaker 1: I just really for a while I had a Kingdom Hearts,
Speaker 1: like Kingdom Hearts one and two, especially one I I
Speaker 1: think I've played three times.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it. What is it?
Speaker 5: You're not a Disney guy? What's your deal here?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Good ACTIONPG is once once they get out of their
Speaker 1: own way and they stop stopping the game every ten
Speaker 1: minutes for a cutscene, they the action gets pretty satisfying.
Speaker 1: The like actual like building out your your party is fun.
Speaker 1: The boss battles, the scale and the scope are really impressive.
Speaker 2: In your team. The game like has a really good
Speaker 2: sense of like atmosphere everywhere you go.
Speaker 4: And I don't matter Prime, I'm sure. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 4: prime of Yeah Action RP Withcdonald Duck. And then I'm
Speaker 4: not like a.
Speaker 1: Diehard of them. But Kingdom Heart's one. I for a while,
Speaker 1: I think I considered one of my favorite games, but
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's weird. I'm not a Kingdom Hearts person.
Speaker 2: I understand. I mean, look it definitely.
Speaker 6: I understand people fell off after two when it was
Speaker 6: like five spin offs that like you thought you didn't
Speaker 6: have to play because they didn't have the number three
Speaker 6: on there. It turns yeah, then it turns out that
Speaker 6: they're all super integral to the story. And the story
Speaker 6: kept getting more and more complicated with dream drop Distance,
Speaker 6: introduced time travel. It was kind of a oh, come
Speaker 6: on in year twelve, I played it like a pretty
Speaker 6: early three DS game, Yeah, Drop D Yeah, three D's
Speaker 6: the three Dumps.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I can't relate to lower video games getting more complicated
Speaker 5: as it goes on. Anyway, my answer to this question
Speaker 5: is Meddle, You're solid. That is the only answer to
Speaker 5: this question. Even Zelda would is part of like my
Speaker 5: holy turn of the is Mario Zelda Middle Gear. People
Speaker 5: talk about, oh so you Zelda time. Yeah, I know, uh,
Speaker 5: like the underground bands, like.
Speaker 2: The beatle.
Speaker 3: Making games and we don't talk about this enough. Nintendo.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Nintendo makes some good ones. Yeah so, but like Zella,
Speaker 5: I don't give a shit about the lore. I've never cared.
Speaker 5: I've never carried this link to gamesless and I don't
Speaker 5: think of any of these I care about the Lord.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: The only one is Metal Gear, and that's the one
Speaker 5: where it's like, oh, there's like a little book in
Speaker 5: the first one that in the darkness of Shadow Moses
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna read every word of this. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: read like breakdowns of like I've beaten Meddle Year Saw
Speaker 5: too so many times by the time I read this
Speaker 5: like Junker HQ thing, which is like a whole thing
Speaker 5: about the symbolism and what this game meant to be, Like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, this is like blowing my mind what
Speaker 5: this is actually doing.
Speaker 2: Middle Year.
Speaker 5: I want to go all the way in on all
Speaker 5: the time, uh and literally with nothing else, although war
Speaker 5: hammers tickling something with me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, warmers, the maybe closer much?
Speaker 6: How much do you love just like that timeline at
Speaker 6: the end of the middle yourself four? Right, Oh there's
Speaker 6: the one.
Speaker 5: There was a separate app you could download on the
Speaker 5: PS three that was just a timeline that you could
Speaker 5: just go around and then see like, okay this one
Speaker 5: Osla did this and oh it's the best shit.
Speaker 2: Jeff. Have you ever cared about Lawer outside of Star
Speaker 2: Wars for anything? No?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 2: I mean I like, I.
Speaker 4: Played Armored Course six and that didn't make me care
Speaker 4: about I really like the story in that game. I
Speaker 4: know a lot of people like dismiss it, but I
Speaker 4: think it's incredible, really good storytelling.
Speaker 2: I thought it was really right at my alley.
Speaker 4: And a lot of that is like I always think
Speaker 4: about that moment where it's like you get hired to
Speaker 4: do a mission and then you go down a corridor
Speaker 4: and then all the invisible people that hired you to
Speaker 4: do the mission actually attack you instead, and it's like,
Speaker 4: oh that rules, and then you have to like six
Speaker 4: that the battle against them. You have to fight your
Speaker 4: way out of that corridor, and I'm like, this is
Speaker 4: good ship. And then that made me really want to
Speaker 4: be like, understand, what's going on that story. But that
Speaker 4: led me to like, I think I'm gonna watch Gundam
Speaker 4: I do that sort of thing. I and then like,
Speaker 4: not lore, this is just history. But Forgotten City and
Speaker 4: Pentiment both made be like interested more in like history, what.
Speaker 5: About uh fucking Golden Idol and stuff like that where
Speaker 5: you have to kind of learn the lore of the game.
Speaker 5: It's not a historical thing, but like you have to
Speaker 5: know like this family history.
Speaker 4: Because that's like anything where it's like that's that's also
Speaker 4: like Pentiment and stuff like that, any game where it's
Speaker 4: like the the ongoings of the world are part of
Speaker 4: how you need to think about the game to understand
Speaker 4: the mechanics.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: Fuck am I blanking on the murder mystery on the ship?
Speaker 2: Oh you Overden? Yeah, yeah, twelve minutes has come up
Speaker 2: the last three episodes in a row, and it's always stories.
Speaker 2: Tells me that all the time. That's my thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I had something else, uh just another related No,
Speaker 1: another game came to mind that the lore I got into.
Speaker 6: I used to care. I used to kind of care
Speaker 6: about warcraft lore for a bit there. Then Shadowlands jump
Speaker 6: jumped the ship so much. Although I've been enjoying the
Speaker 6: war within story, so maybe I'll be back we.
Speaker 3: Speaking of the war within.
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, Warframe had an expansion of the war Within,
Speaker 1: which is what got me into Warframe lore and Warframe
Speaker 1: like Warframe puts much of its lower front and center. However,
Speaker 1: there's a lot that's kind of hidden around in like
Speaker 1: little codexes and what and whatnot, Like I like fourteen's lore,
Speaker 1: but it's so extensively covered in the game that I
Speaker 1: don't need outside material.
Speaker 3: For Actually, Dan, I don't know if we talked about this. Warframe.
Speaker 1: Much of its lower can be traced back to an
Speaker 1: event Horizon type incident on a spaceship where a bunch
Speaker 1: of kids were the only survivors of this. They basically
Speaker 1: encountered hell and then they came back and were able
Speaker 1: to control No, these kids came back and they were
Speaker 1: the only ones that control these like Assassin Robot ninjas.
Speaker 2: Okay, Warframes, that's pretty cool. Kirby's dream course. I like
Speaker 2: the lore in that. Yeah, explain it.
Speaker 4: You go in the whole hole, talk again, talk Actually,
Speaker 4: I am like going back and forth in my top
Speaker 4: one hundred. I always like the suggestion of the lore
Speaker 4: of Castlevania where it's like all these acolytes are bringing
Speaker 4: back Dracula and now sometimes they're doing it in the
Speaker 4: near future, and that's why my character has a handgun.
Speaker 2: That's where I'm a.
Speaker 5: Vibe though it's like I don't know fucking Castlevania Metroid
Speaker 5: style like and it's I don't know what the is
Speaker 5: happening to any of them other Oh no Dracula, right,
Speaker 5: But but.
Speaker 4: An's something to start talking about that stuff. It's contributing
Speaker 4: to that vibe, which is where I like my lord
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 6: I do, like like in Portrait of ruein like the
Speaker 6: one character from like Casavia, Budlines on the Genesis shows
Speaker 6: up and the form God that's kind.
Speaker 4: Of Neat's exactly, it's kind of neat. That's that's as
Speaker 4: much as a card I think. Yeah, I think for
Speaker 4: me a lot of times, Lore just feels like it
Speaker 4: gets in the way of what I want from a
Speaker 4: video game, you know. And I see METROI dread, and
Speaker 4: I liked a lot of the payoff of the ongoing
Speaker 4: low in that game was really good actually, But.
Speaker 5: Also there's stuff like Mario where it's like there's almost
Speaker 5: no time given to like Lore or anything. But like,
Speaker 5: because there's just so many fucking games and so many
Speaker 5: fucking characters that like you have to kind of create
Speaker 5: your own weird lore of like oh wait, we saw
Speaker 5: Mario's parents in Yoshi's Island and then uh, okay, so.
Speaker 2: Deal, what's that? Yeah, but he's actually from Brooklyn.
Speaker 6: And then the wildest thing is Mario Galaxy two not
Speaker 6: being a storyline sequel to Mario Galaxy one and instead
Speaker 6: is like maybe a reboot, except that it has so
Speaker 6: little regard for the story mark Kalaxi one.
Speaker 2: I think calling it a reboot is even generous.
Speaker 5: It's more of a cast of characters and enemies and locations,
Speaker 5: and like, I just kind of like that.
Speaker 4: There's like every other Mario games, like we will go
Speaker 4: into the new neighboring Kingdom, and there's been twenty of
Speaker 4: them at this point.
Speaker 6: Like now Brothership is like the Kingdom. Worry Body is
Speaker 6: an electrical outlet.
Speaker 5: I don't know, fuck you, I care more about whether
Speaker 5: the Koopa Ling's are about kids. Uh, that would do
Speaker 5: like anything that's ever happened in the Last of Us.
Speaker 4: You know, I like a game where it's like I'm
Speaker 4: like shocked to learn something's been happening the whole time,
Speaker 4: like Trials Evolution I think it was, or Transfusion.
Speaker 2: Was the robot one? Yeah, right, it's like, wait, what
Speaker 2: what are the robots? The robot trying to fuck me?
Speaker 2: What's happening? The portal was like that where you didn't
Speaker 2: really think lower story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that is part of the overall lore of
Speaker 4: those games. Yeah, that's a good example.
Speaker 1: I'll thank you, Katie. Dan, you want to read this
Speaker 1: one from Brad? Yes, it's also about Kingdom Marts.
Speaker 2: Yes it is not.
Speaker 5: Hey, Gang, I know you'all also experience photic sneeze reflex,
Speaker 5: where bright light can trigger a sneeze. But did you
Speaker 5: know that it's also called autosommal dominant compelling helio ophthalmolic
Speaker 5: outburst syndrome.
Speaker 4: Short Castlevania collection actually shortened is a che syndrome. Have
Speaker 4: you ever had a really good or really bad timing
Speaker 4: for a sneeze? Slash burp slash fart Brad and Phoenix,
Speaker 4: I had not heard of this until Dan, you told
Speaker 4: me about it when we were in London.
Speaker 2: Well all yeah, Marry and me.
Speaker 1: Also, it's it doesn't sound as strong with me, like
Speaker 1: it only works like sixty percent of the time, but.
Speaker 5: Every fucking time, And then when I explain it to
Speaker 5: someone that doesn't have it, they think I'm bullshitting them.
Speaker 5: But it is like I am walking from a store
Speaker 5: at two pm into the parking lot and the sun
Speaker 5: is shining down like I'm going to sneeze like crazy,
Speaker 5: like box the end of the million times, and even
Speaker 5: like indoor lights and stuff can do it. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it's like a third of the population has
Speaker 5: the gene. But maybe there's different, you know, severities of it.
Speaker 5: But I super fucking have it. But am I only
Speaker 5: one on here that No?
Speaker 4: I do too?
Speaker 2: I don't have it. Wait, Grub, you have it, and
Speaker 2: no I do not.
Speaker 4: You do not?
Speaker 2: My hearty does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me, you and Mary have talked about all having it,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like you have it more. Sometimes if
Speaker 1: I need to sneeze and I it's like I can
Speaker 1: feel the snee going away, I can look at like
Speaker 1: a light bulb and it will trigger it.
Speaker 4: No, that'll totally work. But like, if I need it,
Speaker 4: I'll walk over to this door and I'll look up
Speaker 4: at the sun and just up there it is. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that would be the funniest thing to trigger sneezing. Okay, wait,
Speaker 4: now let's go down this path here. Yeah, what would
Speaker 4: be the funny thing that would trigger coming or farting?
Speaker 2: Sneezing? You sneeze and you come every time.
Speaker 4: It's like, what do you take for that?
Speaker 2: Pepper?
Speaker 4: Yeah? You still that boting sneeze reflects by walking to
Speaker 4: a parking lot and sneeze coming.
Speaker 2: What's the what's the medaceine for that?
Speaker 4: I walk in the parking lot, I look up the
Speaker 4: sun every ten minutes, sneeze.
Speaker 7: Come, Holy ship, I mean, yeah, just be awesome. That
Speaker 7: makes me feel I'm taking pepper.
Speaker 3: That's just what like g spot orgasms feel like.
Speaker 2: Parking lot, like t J Max. Like every every time
Speaker 2: you get the check, you sneeze or something I don't
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 5: Would be super inconvenient, like an email hands What did
Speaker 5: you say, Manati? You said something like when you get
Speaker 5: you get to check check, get the check all right,
Speaker 5: that is a good one, or a receipt like somebody.
Speaker 3: Will you that you'll never get a second date ever.
Speaker 4: Any So it says that was a really nice time
Speaker 4: and then boom. Every time a dog barks.
Speaker 2: Anywhere in the world, whether you can hear it or not.
Speaker 2: The dog parks the dogs because you go forever incoming sneeze.
Speaker 4: Whenever Memoto says, please be excited, that's when direct when
Speaker 4: they snapped.
Speaker 1: Yeah, anytime you see a dead body to Wakes would
Speaker 1: be sure you're already come.
Speaker 3: On hot, any weake you're at you sneeze, come far?
Speaker 5: God wait, why didn't you turn into snooze coming party
Speaker 5: every time?
Speaker 2: Because you mentioned it? I thought it was you.
Speaker 3: They did that, you did, I'll have to be that. Okay, Okay, well.
Speaker 2: Ideally you're right, it wouldn't be that. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: want that. No, God, what would that? I feel like
Speaker 2: you would if Okay, actually, scientifically speaking, I think if
Speaker 2: you sneezed and came and farted at the same time,
Speaker 2: you're not farting ninety percent the time. You're also shipping
Speaker 2: your pants. If you're doing those two other things, you're not.
Speaker 4: Gonna vale every time left every time you hear a
Speaker 4: car honk, and you live in.
Speaker 2: New York City, no iron thing about being wearing diapers.
Speaker 2: All the honking.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I heard more honking today than like I
Speaker 6: have ever honked in my life. I could never anxiety
Speaker 6: because we'd even think about honking at somebody.
Speaker 4: No way, you guys, You guys don't understand, because there
Speaker 4: was this is a thing like those honk if your
Speaker 4: horny things on the back of cars where it was
Speaker 4: like they're doing that. So when you honk it them
Speaker 4: if you're mad, it's like, oh, I'm saying I'm horny Instead,
Speaker 4: it's like you.
Speaker 2: Got get the current. I never put that together. That
Speaker 2: either me quite a bit to realize that.
Speaker 5: I guess I never stopped and thought about because it
Speaker 5: would be weird to just be like, tell me your
Speaker 5: horny with your car right like, and.
Speaker 4: If there's a whole bunch of them like honk if
Speaker 4: you you know, think kittens are cool and like for whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Yes.
Speaker 4: So it's like you can't honk at me if you're
Speaker 4: mad at me, because then you're saying this, you're just
Speaker 4: being a weirdo saying your horny in your car right exactly. Yes,
Speaker 4: So it's like a damn.
Speaker 3: I don't think I put that together either.
Speaker 2: That took me a while.
Speaker 4: Yes, if you want to leave your friends behind on
Speaker 4: friends don't dance and they don't dance in there. No
Speaker 4: friends of mine, thank you, you're welcome, and if that
Speaker 4: anyone thinks that, then you come to Sneezing far.
Speaker 2: If you want to leave your friends behind or not,
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. What if it was?
Speaker 1: Uh, every time you make a donation that triggers that.
Speaker 1: So imagine like your friend's trying to get your friends
Speaker 1: trying to get you to donate to like a good cause,
Speaker 1: and you're like, I can't explain.
Speaker 2: Why, but harassment. Sorry, do you want to round up
Speaker 2: your total? Today? The feed starving kidney?
Speaker 3: And then you accidentally press yes, and then just like
Speaker 3: every time the.
Speaker 5: Please silence your cell phone thing comes on before a movie.
Speaker 2: Just rip shred ass to ask a question? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: was a question?
Speaker 4: Oh have you ever had really good or really bad
Speaker 4: timing for Sneeze Bird Bart we talked about in the
Speaker 4: last episode.
Speaker 1: My airplane fart was pretty It would have been embarrassing
Speaker 1: if I get if I like had that bone in
Speaker 1: my body. But also people were asleep. I don't need
Speaker 1: to retell. Well, I guess Jeff and Mike weren't here.
Speaker 1: I was falling asleep in my seat, you know, like
Speaker 1: how but I didn't have a pillow or anything, and
Speaker 1: it was in an aisle seat. My head bobbed really
Speaker 1: hard and woke me up and I farted as I
Speaker 1: jolted awake eye. It was on a red eye and
Speaker 1: I looked around and everybody was sleeping or had headphones
Speaker 1: and except.
Speaker 4: For one loud enough yeah it's probably gonna get It
Speaker 4: was loud fart though, and like only was one person flight. Yeah,
Speaker 4: my best part in my life was me waking up.
Speaker 4: We were at my brother's apartment. My other brother was
Speaker 4: already up and we already like do jokes where you know.
Speaker 4: So in Final Fantasy, the spell levels.
Speaker 6: There's fire, there's fira, and there's fart and farta and fartaga.
Speaker 6: But no one had no one would ever day think
Speaker 6: that we would dare claim was a fartaga never came close.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of farta's. So you held out of that.
Speaker 2: You made you made a count right like yah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: But so like that morning though, like I just woke up,
Speaker 6: like I let one rip. It woke people up in
Speaker 6: the next room.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I remember brother he just looked at me and I
Speaker 6: had the biggest grin on my face, like it was
Speaker 6: like you know, without saying it was like that was
Speaker 6: it that was we did it everybody.
Speaker 1: Mary, Jake, and I were in the guest room at
Speaker 1: Dan's house for a game of her last year and
Speaker 1: I woke up at like seven am and was holding
Speaker 1: them in for a bit and I was in the
Speaker 1: bottom bunk. I was like, I don't I don't care,
Speaker 1: and I started ripping ass. Jake and Mary were both laughing.
Speaker 1: I think it was uh directly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been doing a lot of long parts lately,
Speaker 2: like those are like eight seconds.
Speaker 3: I'm getting I'm getting better at them.
Speaker 4: Good sphincter control, Yeah, yeah, I got I got good
Speaker 4: spink control.
Speaker 6: That is a pretty good one. And I don't know
Speaker 6: because of COVID or the COVID medicine that was really letting.
Speaker 2: Them rip there for a bit. Yeah, that that packs
Speaker 2: Vid will do. That is good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, you think Bill Gates putting the shot into your sphincter?
Speaker 4: Uh huh, Bill controls the sphincters.
Speaker 5: I promise the story ends with parts my dad equally
Speaker 5: brings up. There have been a lot of times my
Speaker 5: dad and I have drunk together and we've both gotten
Speaker 5: very drunk, and frequently one of us got drunker than
Speaker 5: the other. This is one where he came to pick
Speaker 5: me up from a thing and he was relatively sober.
Speaker 5: It was my tenure her high school reunion. I went
Speaker 5: back to Kansas City and I just, you know, I
Speaker 5: wasn't super social in high school, so it's like I
Speaker 5: was just kind of curious to see what everyone's up to,
Speaker 5: and like no other people actually Anyway, I got really
Speaker 5: drunk and my dad came to pick me up at
Speaker 5: the Kansas City Power and Light District and uh, as
Speaker 5: he's like helping me out. I'm in full blown. This
Speaker 5: is twenty twelve. I'm just drunk as shit. He says,
Speaker 5: we're oh, yeah, we're We're walking down the sidewalk in
Speaker 5: Kansas City, and I guess it was just one thing
Speaker 5: after another of him thinking I was gonna get us killed.
Speaker 5: There was like, I guess, a biker dude that was
Speaker 5: walking like in an alley that had like tattoos all
Speaker 5: over his head and face and everything and a leather
Speaker 5: like cut and all that, and I guess my dad's
Speaker 5: like kind of like helped me walk by him, and
Speaker 5: I just point in the guy's face.
Speaker 2: And I go, you're tough.
Speaker 5: Then we kept going, like the next block there was
Speaker 5: a girl on her cell phone talking and she was
Speaker 5: like clear, like she's like having like a screaming contest
Speaker 5: with like a boyfriend or an next boyfriend. And I
Speaker 5: guess I was just like it's fine, It'll all be fine,
Speaker 5: until she like turn it around, was like shut the
Speaker 5: fuck up. So it was just like one thing after
Speaker 5: another of my dad being like, you're going to get
Speaker 5: us fucking killed, and so you wind up there's a
Speaker 5: picture of me from this night, just like past the
Speaker 5: fuck out in his back seat, and he had to give.
Speaker 2: Me tell these stories because you don't remember this night, right.
Speaker 5: I wasn't like fully blacked out or anything, but I
Speaker 5: was drunker than I've been in many many years. I
Speaker 5: don't drink that much these days. And we get back
Speaker 5: to we went to a bar and we met up
Speaker 5: to a girl he had just started dating at this time,
Speaker 5: this woman, and like this, I'd heard about this one
Speaker 5: for a while, even dating her for a few weeks.
Speaker 5: And we met at the Red Balloon, this bar that
Speaker 5: my mom and dad met at, and I guess I
Speaker 5: was just so fucked up that it was like, Okay,
Speaker 5: we got to get him out of here. And they
Speaker 5: like kind of brought me back to the car, take
Speaker 5: it back back to Dad's place, and then to get
Speaker 5: They just want to get me inside and throw me
Speaker 5: on a couch, so I just pass out.
Speaker 2: And so it's me in the.
Speaker 5: Center, arms around Dad here, we got his uh is
Speaker 5: new lady here, and we're walking up like there's like,
Speaker 5: you know, twelve to fifteen steps going up to his place.
Speaker 5: And he said, every single step I've heard it.
Speaker 2: He said it was like yeah, oh yeah, he said.
Speaker 4: He remembers thinking it was the funniest fucking thing in
Speaker 4: the world. But he didn't want to laugh because he
Speaker 4: just started dating. So he's like, God, damn it, this
Speaker 4: is so funny. I can't be laughing at us. Here's
Speaker 4: my son. Oh yeah, that's credit. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I never, yeah, I got. I've got pretty drunk.
Speaker 2: I never got blackout drunk. I never.
Speaker 6: I don't know if that's a thing. It's time I remember,
Speaker 6: like waking up, be like I don't even know what happened.
Speaker 5: Then it's a bad enough feeling to where it will
Speaker 5: really make it like, oh, I remember the last time
Speaker 5: I think it last time I blacked out, I think
Speaker 5: was that fucking Pax where I told you I've been
Speaker 5: at Buffalo Wild Wings for like the whole weekend in Seattle,
Speaker 5: and it was just seriously a thing where I was
Speaker 5: just like people kept showing up and I kept drinking
Speaker 5: and I I just blacked out at one point and
Speaker 5: then I woke up in my room. It was the
Speaker 5: night before the night before the packs where everyone threw
Speaker 5: hot dogs at me and because I was like puking
Speaker 5: that morning. But I woke up and I don't remember
Speaker 5: leaving Buffalo Wild Wings, and I just remember being like
Speaker 5: holy shit, like I wound up back home, but like
Speaker 5: there's this gap of time. I don't know how many
Speaker 5: hours I remember talking to people, because it turns out
Speaker 5: like Ben Pack helped me get back to the hotel
Speaker 5: room and stuff, and asking him like everything, do you remember.
Speaker 2: What he said?
Speaker 5: Because I was so worried, like I what does blackout
Speaker 5: dan do?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 5: I wasn't there mentally, I'm scared too thinking about it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And I asked been Packed and he was like, you
Speaker 5: mainly talked a lot about how much you loved being married.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want a bottle tequila in a bet And
Speaker 4: everyone sat down with me, and I'm basically I took
Speaker 4: every shot with someone else, So I drank probably half
Speaker 4: a bottle at tequila in that Uh they told me.
Speaker 4: I jumped into a trash can and I tried to
Speaker 4: drive somewhere like not like just a trashic. I dripped
Speaker 4: into like a big dumpster outside our apartment complex. And
Speaker 4: and then the rest of the story is I don't know.
Speaker 4: And then I woke up my bed the next day,
Speaker 4: but did you have the same like oh god, what
Speaker 4: like yeah, no, it's not happened since then, And that
Speaker 4: was twenty years ago, pretty close.
Speaker 1: And legitimate ones in my life. And like the first
Speaker 1: time I was like, I'm never doing this again. Then
Speaker 1: the second time, of course, like just happened. I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is this is enough for me to
Speaker 1: There are.
Speaker 4: A couple where there was like I definitely lost to
Speaker 4: bodily control, but I remember everything.
Speaker 2: I'd rather have brown out or whatever they call it.
Speaker 4: She had like a birthday where it's like, oh, we
Speaker 4: got to get him home, and I'm like, well I
Speaker 4: remember all this.
Speaker 6: Yeah, back when I did drink like more like I
Speaker 6: would just get sick or just fall asleep before that,
Speaker 6: and this point, I'll just get a headache before I
Speaker 6: can even get close to that point now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but no, my my inopportune farting was probably
Speaker 1: the time I lulled off to sleep heavily.
Speaker 2: Load off to sleep heavily on the plane.
Speaker 1: I jolted awake falling asleep on the plane. I guess
Speaker 1: you can't really lull.
Speaker 4: I only farted the most opportune times. Yeah, so yeah,
Speaker 4: a lot of mine. Yeah, I picked my moments. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I've also awoken. I woke Stef up when we're early
Speaker 4: when we were dating, she was on the other side
Speaker 4: of the wall and it like vibrated the couch she
Speaker 4: was sitting on.
Speaker 5: So, you know, a real fun thing to do as
Speaker 5: a married guy with pets is like, you know, I'll
Speaker 5: think bomb because you know, out of ear shot, and
Speaker 5: I'll just let one rip and then be like, oh nice.
Speaker 5: You know, it's like blaming on gizmo, you know.
Speaker 4: You do you try to do it out of ear
Speaker 4: shot of She definitely doesn't like care, but I think
Speaker 4: I just there is a part of me that's just
Speaker 4: like I don't just want to be tearing ass all
Speaker 4: day in the house.
Speaker 2: You know, it's mostly subconscious, mostly.
Speaker 1: Amanda listens to this podcast, so I can't really say
Speaker 1: yeah me neither.
Speaker 4: I never know I Amanda, MI, nice to meet you,
Speaker 4: I subscriber. Can you see you aggressively winking right now?
Speaker 4: I absolutely not in.
Speaker 1: The same room to make her laugh. Never, the long
Speaker 1: farts are definitely not for her entertainment. Ever, I go outside,
Speaker 1: I go for walks to fart.
Speaker 2: I love. I love farting for my nephew. He thinks
Speaker 2: it's very funny. His mom not so much. Get she'll
Speaker 2: get mad at me, which just kind of makes it
Speaker 2: a little funnier.
Speaker 1: There's definitely not rules for where I'm actually strictly not
Speaker 1: allowed to fart in the apartment.
Speaker 2: Definitely not, definitely, definitely not.
Speaker 5: I allow myself to fart with abandon in a situation
Speaker 5: like this where it's like, oh, it'd be funny if
Speaker 5: the mic picked it up or something, but there's no
Speaker 5: one in this room. I definitely I've scaled it back
Speaker 5: as I've gotten old. You know, there's the South Ben
Speaker 5: Hanson stories, like oh, I thought it was funny when
Speaker 5: he poured his coffee out because I've parted in the
Speaker 5: same room as it.
Speaker 2: But like, I wouldn't be running around it.
Speaker 5: If I lived or if I worked in an office,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be like farting on people's faces or anything.
Speaker 2: But of course not.
Speaker 5: You're so for that very Oh no, Mike, I see
Speaker 5: your face because I've farted on you before. It's just
Speaker 5: like Tim terious on my head and farted numerous times
Speaker 5: and I felt his fart vibrate through my skull. But Mike,
Speaker 5: it was in the office. I know it was at
Speaker 5: Tim's place where I farted on your head.
Speaker 2: Right, No, you're it's not on my head right into
Speaker 2: my face.
Speaker 3: Before you fed me.
Speaker 2: Cat treats.
Speaker 1: Jesus right each other very well, I think, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know it was. It was enough where I laughed on
Speaker 1: the way back to s f from uh from Tim's place.
Speaker 4: But I do like when Goblin Dan does appear where
Speaker 4: it's like, here's some rocks from outside this this building
Speaker 4: I'm gonna put.
Speaker 5: Inside was the biggest because it's like, okay, So there
Speaker 5: was the rest of my any match where Shawn Michaels
Speaker 5: fought Vince and he was like blowing snot at him
Speaker 5: and doing all that stuff, and Jim Ross is like,
Speaker 5: oh my god, I never thought we'd see him again.
Speaker 5: That was the old Shawn Michaels. That was me with
Speaker 5: the rocks and the shoe. At that you saw the
Speaker 5: old ding.
Speaker 4: Adamant that that only got as out of hand because
Speaker 4: Backler and Mike were both just going, oh my god,
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I can't believe he's doing this. Oh,
Speaker 4: and I'm like trying to no sell it so you'll
Speaker 4: lose interest, and they're just this is I can't believe it.
Speaker 4: To be clear, Toddler, He'll run out of steam, guopped.
Speaker 6: Out of the office building for fandom and decided to
Speaker 6: fill his shoe with my dog grubs shoe, so grubs shoe,
Speaker 6: and that was the issue. You wouldn't give it back,
Speaker 6: so you were like, I got his shoe, and so yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: you're trying like a little British orphan. Yeah, he's trying
Speaker 6: to pretend like, oh, I'm gonna give him the shoe.
Speaker 6: It's okay, he can come back. But he secretly filled
Speaker 6: it with rocks. But as soon as the door opens,
Speaker 6: of course grumb just snatches it as fast as he
Speaker 6: can to get his shoe back, and then rocks go everywhere,
Speaker 6: and then the people worked at the clean up, they're.
Speaker 4: Not happy they thought the window shattered because it's all
Speaker 4: very loud.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh god, so many things are coming to mind.
Speaker 2: Well, we were importand we were with Mary.
Speaker 5: Uh you know a week or two ago, we were
Speaker 5: sitting by a fire pit and Mary had these like
Speaker 5: sandals on, and I told her the story like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, when me and my sisters would go see
Speaker 5: movies if they wore sandals. I thought it was hilarious
Speaker 5: to like, in the middle of the movie when it's
Speaker 5: super dark, just grab one of them and just throw
Speaker 5: it all the way down.
Speaker 2: And just like dealing it. I was like, you know what,
Speaker 2: that's what Mike was like, Yeah, I can't handle it.
Speaker 2: I can't handle it.
Speaker 5: I think Mary did something. You either like took them
Speaker 5: off or like tucked away.
Speaker 3: From shoes to keep them tucked on her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, shoes in the fire.
Speaker 1: You kept putting goldfish in any drink I had when
Speaker 1: I wasn't looking so, but then I also had a
Speaker 1: pocket pocketed shirt sort of like this fisay this was
Speaker 1: last week, and so by the time uh, he started
Speaker 1: putting goldfish in here whereas bulging with goldfish. So at
Speaker 1: a certain point, pocket and my drink so at a
Speaker 1: certain point that I I had had a hand on
Speaker 1: my pocket and a hand over my drink, like someone that.
Speaker 2: Was waiting to be roof.
Speaker 5: Yeah, with a bunch of people who hadn't seen this
Speaker 5: going on, so he just looks insane.
Speaker 2: Really patriotic.
Speaker 1: A bunch of Australian people are coming up to me
Speaker 1: and like I'm meeting them for the first time and
Speaker 1: I'm pulling goldfish out of my shirt pocket and eating
Speaker 1: them while we're talking, like what but no, the at
Speaker 1: Tim's place, we were about to go see Creed two
Speaker 1: with Tim Turry, and he had never seen Creed one,
Speaker 1: which is one of the best movies ever made.
Speaker 3: So we're like, let's watch that at your.
Speaker 2: Plans first second, I thought you were talking about the
Speaker 2: sequel to the band, But.
Speaker 3: We're gonna go see Michael B.
Speaker 1: Jordan and Tessa Thompson and Creed two, so we're like,
Speaker 1: let's watch the first one. And toward the end, Dan
Speaker 1: had a bag of chips. I think they were like
Speaker 1: pretzels of some sort. So I was sitting in the
Speaker 1: middle between them and Dan started just like feeding putting
Speaker 1: pretzels right into my mouth for like ten minutes straight.
Speaker 5: Like how many of these can I put in before
Speaker 5: he stops, And.
Speaker 1: Then finally he puts something mouth and I'm just chewing
Speaker 1: like loudly. I'm like, I'm not like making the nose
Speaker 1: or something. And I realized that he had put cat
Speaker 1: treats into my mouth, and he he had like Paul,
Speaker 1: he had like primed me to eat cat treats. And
Speaker 1: then yeah, the next morning, it's always around him or Hansen.
Speaker 1: When Dan starts to get into like big brother bully
Speaker 1: mode with me, and he starts he went to go
Speaker 1: side stuff. There's a coffee table in front of the
Speaker 1: couch and I was just sitting hung over on the
Speaker 1: couch and Dan like sidles like between the table and
Speaker 1: the couch and farts right into my face.
Speaker 4: So, which you know in a movie when like there's
Speaker 4: like the not the like the big bad, but the
Speaker 4: big bad scientists that will just like test anything on
Speaker 4: any human.
Speaker 2: That's that's Dan in goblin mode. I think, yes, no, Dan, the.
Speaker 1: One time was here when you actually Amanda, this is
Speaker 1: the first time Amanda saw me like get mad at you,
Speaker 1: like genuinely I was.
Speaker 2: I was done with it. We're coming up.
Speaker 1: We're on a fourth floor, walk up oh, this is shoe,
Speaker 1: and I'm carrying I'm helping to carry Mary one of
Speaker 1: Mary's suitcases up and I'm leading the pack up the
Speaker 1: stairs and four flights worth, let's say there's like fifteen
Speaker 1: steps per flight. So first steps, we're going up to
Speaker 1: my apartment and Dan just keeps like flat tiring the
Speaker 1: back of my shoe with his foot, and I was
Speaker 1: carrying a suitcase. So I the first flight it was funny,
Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like, oh, he's an adult, he'll stop.
Speaker 1: And then and then the first we get to the
Speaker 1: second floor landing and we turn and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna do it, and then he does on
Speaker 1: the second floor and I actually immediately was like all right, Dan,
Speaker 1: I like, chill the fuck out.
Speaker 2: But you're also laughing.
Speaker 1: I was laughing on the second flight, but then by
Speaker 1: the third flight stairs, I was like four stop. I'm like, Dan,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna fucking kick you in the chest so you
Speaker 1: fall down these stairs if you don't grabbing my ankle.
Speaker 3: And he kept going and I threatened his life, basically.
Speaker 2: If that's how it ends. Amanda later that night. Amanda
Speaker 2: later that night was like, you were.
Speaker 3: Like, actually mad, I was like, yes, you.
Speaker 2: My dad and he doesn't like that either. Is so
Speaker 2: uncover to hit you, Dan. No, I don't know you're
Speaker 2: gonna start hitting them.
Speaker 4: We have to start. I don't want to hit I'm
Speaker 4: talking about Harty. I know you're not gonna hit I've
Speaker 4: been knowing, but it was like bullies and ship. I
Speaker 4: got punched a lot by bullies. Sure. No, No, I
Speaker 4: mean as a result of your.
Speaker 2: Action Mary did at our at the bachelor thing.
Speaker 1: Mary, she Charlie horse you because of the you were
Speaker 1: over her shoulder playing pac Man and you were working
Speaker 1: with her.
Speaker 4: So scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah. At our don't talk Mary.
Speaker 1: At our bachelor Bachelorette Long Island party, there was a
Speaker 1: I don't know, how do you how do you describe it?
Speaker 3: A table top pac Man cabinet.
Speaker 2: I heard this. I heard the tails from from past
Speaker 2: Episod's about your pack man. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think Dan, you were doing something. You were just
Speaker 3: antagonizing Mary.
Speaker 5: And because I was winning and I was mocking her,
Speaker 5: and at.
Speaker 1: One point she just turned around and walled on your shoulder.
Speaker 1: And that was the That was the only time knowing
Speaker 1: you for how many twelve years now, I actually saw
Speaker 1: you legitimately shut up after.
Speaker 3: Like someone made you stop.
Speaker 5: She's intimidating. She made it very clear, like okay, all right,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna hear.
Speaker 1: I saw, dude, your face, the emotions you went through
Speaker 1: was so funny because I turned we were playing boor
Speaker 1: games at the table where you guys are doing that.
Speaker 1: I turned around and I saw it happen because I
Speaker 1: think I heard like some turmoil. Saw her hit your shoulder,
Speaker 1: and then she went back to playing, and I could
Speaker 1: tell from her face she was legitimately pissed.
Speaker 3: I know her, like you know, we've seen her get
Speaker 3: her temper flare.
Speaker 2: And I saw you like.
Speaker 3: I kind of like not knowing how to adjust to
Speaker 3: clam up a.
Speaker 2: Little bit way out of line, way out of line.
Speaker 2: And then you went, You went into like supportive friend
Speaker 2: mode to her all of a sudden, You're like, no,
Speaker 2: what other option did I.
Speaker 3: She's gonna punch you in the dick if you kept going.
Speaker 2: It was really really nice message. No, look I understood
Speaker 2: what you were saying. Yeah that was at the wine fort.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think I fart too much. I'm at
Speaker 2: the right spot now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I've really gattled it in nice triple. All right, well,
Speaker 1: thank you Brad from Phoenix. That's our episode. That's episode ninety.
Speaker 1: Thank you Mike and Jeff for joining. That was our
Speaker 1: longest one in a while. We haven't gone that long.
Speaker 2: We used to. We like used to approach four hours
Speaker 2: in our early days episode. We're not built for that anymore.
Speaker 5: Combination of a lot of games talk about it, and
Speaker 5: also I feel like when we have guests it's like, well, okay,
Speaker 5: we got four people.
Speaker 4: Does add a little bit extra there it's set of three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, though, thank you too for joining us again that
Speaker 2: I had a great time.
Speaker 1: It's Mike Manati and Jeff Grubb and game Mess and
Speaker 1: also Giant Bomb. You've you've heard both of them on
Speaker 1: the show before and not together. This is my first
Speaker 1: time with both of them on a normal episode.
Speaker 2: Listen to this on Monday.
Speaker 4: On Tuesday night at nine pm on Jeff Grubb's Game
Speaker 4: Mess on YouTube, We'll do Less than the Nintendogs live
Speaker 4: at nine pm Eastern, so you can watch that there.
Speaker 4: It's we have a good time, and then we do
Speaker 4: another show on Thursday. Games Decides What is for those
Speaker 4: who don't know, and it's a Nintendo podcast. It's a
Speaker 4: Nintendo podcast for those who are also in Nintendo prison
Speaker 4: like we.
Speaker 2: Are, yep, yep.
Speaker 6: And if you didn't hey listening to me talk about Disney.
Speaker 6: I do a Disney podcast with my brothers Nineties Disney
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Speaker 6: I like that the animated films from the era.
Speaker 2: So yep. I like them when I watch that a
Speaker 2: ton as a kid. Fun fun.
Speaker 5: Also, if you want to watch the worst video games
Speaker 5: of all time, we currently have Mike Manati playing Alone
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Speaker 5: We just wrapped up Dai Katana with Jeff Grubb. I've
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Speaker 4: Wiggs get me going, Oh yeah, it's good stuff.
Speaker 5: Blake Club is like Mount rushmore like video feature series
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Speaker 3: Yep, I'm just here, you're fire.
Speaker 2: There's a professional yeah focused.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not in my free time, I'm not focused,
Speaker 1: but professionally, yeah, I'm just here. And then day job
Speaker 1: stuff is it's not forward facing. Yeah, ninety episodes. I
Speaker 1: think we we did the math work in like January February.
Speaker 2: We'll get more. We'll have more news.
Speaker 1: Coming out soon about Game of the Year stuff in
Speaker 1: November when Mary's back. Oh yeah, we didn't like. Mary's
Speaker 1: just traveling again. Yeah, we all got to hang out
Speaker 1: last week in Portland, which is super fun.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Really, he's on that Saudi bullet train one I think, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: She's going to a Nixon nostalgia convention.
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Speaker 3: Past the season for in most parts of the world,
Speaker 3: or rather in our parts of the world.
Speaker 5: But but the most important thing to book mark is
Speaker 5: Fuckjake dot Org.
Speaker 2: Everyone should about this.
Speaker 4: Why give them the ogin right? Why fan those flames
Speaker 4: for someone so well?
Speaker 2: This was button here.
Speaker 1: We have not gotten any emails about this or tweets
Speaker 1: or anything import If you listen to the last episode
Speaker 1: we talked, do I want to describe? No, Dan, you
Speaker 1: explained this because this was your fucking ploy. I don't
Speaker 1: feel like, no, it was This is all Jake.
Speaker 4: We did the whole bit that just came up about like,
Speaker 4: oh Jake dot org and we're gonna, like, you know,
Speaker 4: talk like Jake sucks or whatever.
Speaker 5: Uh, And then I think one of us might have
Speaker 5: been you, Mike saying like, oh yea, somebody.
Speaker 1: Even tell them what it is. Just say like, look
Speaker 1: what Jake did go to he bought dot org and.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, Jake Decker, while editing this podcast bought Fuckjake
Speaker 5: dot Org.
Speaker 1: He gambled on the fact that we had not yet
Speaker 1: actually purchased it because he.
Speaker 4: Was and he just go to it. And then we
Speaker 4: were in his career as a Jedi and with the
Speaker 4: mental told the job took proved too much for our
Speaker 4: brave adventure. He now writes and plays games, seeking a
Speaker 4: middle ground that allows him to do both for a living,
Speaker 4: rather than them distracting him from the work he is
Speaker 4: getting paid for.
Speaker 2: In that middle ground, mic you do it get their buddies.
Speaker 2: We were sitting at a picnic table in Oregon when.
Speaker 1: For a party and uh, and Dan said something like
Speaker 1: I should have known something was up, because that's not
Speaker 1: how U r L's work. You're like, you should go
Speaker 1: there and see if see if it tells you how.
Speaker 2: To buy it, how much it costs. Yeah, And I
Speaker 2: was like, that's not how they work. I would have
Speaker 2: to go to hover. And then we had a bunch
Speaker 2: of people around us, and so I went.
Speaker 1: And then like Dan was watching me intently across the
Speaker 1: table so you couldn't see my screen, and he saw
Speaker 1: and like it dawned on me, and I was so impressed.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even angry.
Speaker 4: No, you dropped your phone and immediately put your head
Speaker 4: in your hands. Yes, right, and then I was like,
Speaker 4: surrender program. No, it's all Jake, No, you did mindropoculous?
Speaker 4: Did you like a kid from kidd and play where
Speaker 4: you're wearing this wig?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I just I'm just reading some of your old
Speaker 2: stories on gaming next this and also like that. That's
Speaker 2: it's still going good for them. Yeah. Uh based out
Speaker 2: of Ohio. A few of them. What oh man, we
Speaker 2: gotta do something.
Speaker 6: We don't like that, Jeff and I like saying we're
Speaker 6: the largest gaming media company in Ohio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least they were when I was. I went
Speaker 3: to my first E three with them, I did GDC.
Speaker 1: They were good, good dudes, brought me on and that's
Speaker 1: how I got my my portfolio going.
Speaker 2: Off the gray.
Speaker 5: This is a post game informer. Right, Well, I'm seeing
Speaker 5: your E three twenty thirteen stuff. Where were you like
Speaker 5: twenty twelve?
Speaker 2: Ish? I was fall twenty twelve.
Speaker 1: I think I would have started, Yeah, maybe the Gaming
Speaker 1: Extus after no, because I would have had stuff samples
Speaker 1: to send to Miller.
Speaker 5: Oh good, we have a ton of like E three
Speaker 5: twenty thirteen stuff.
Speaker 1: I remember the last of us. I had gotten a
Speaker 1: bunch of people. It was similar to BioShock in what
Speaker 1: year was that?
Speaker 2: Thirteen? You have your Last of Us things? Last of
Speaker 2: Us is your last.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, so last BioShock Infinite, I believe came in
Speaker 1: when we were all at GDC, and the Last of
Speaker 1: Us came in while we were all at E three.
Speaker 1: So I had to rush when I got home, immediately
Speaker 1: downloaded to play it to review it, which I didn't.
Speaker 6: It was, you know, I was still new to everything
Speaker 6: it was. It was great, Yeah, A nine, you said
Speaker 6: it excellent, better for worse. The Last of Us is
Speaker 6: hard to experience most of the time. This is a
Speaker 6: very good thing. I wouldn't use vary by the way
Speaker 6: you say great instead of very good. Just a little
Speaker 6: bit there as seems a violence and survival pushed the
Speaker 6: plot toward it effective.
Speaker 4: Have you met Dandala Jesus No at the bottom of
Speaker 4: his Last of Us view, it's at the bottom of
Speaker 4: all of his work because.
Speaker 1: It's on a mousepad at fire Scape mergs dot com.
Speaker 1: Don't if I still There's gonna come a day when
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see that shirt in the wild and I'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna Oh, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to raise some pros and cons in
Speaker 1: my head. But anyway, thank you, Mike, Thank you Jeff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always fine. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll be on again. First person episode. I
Speaker 1: believe outside of Game of the Year of bonus episodes.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be our grandkids about this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, they'll know all about my barts and how.
Speaker 2: I catch reat your exploits. Yeah, it's all chronicled.
Speaker 1: We'll see everybody again in two weeks for episode ninety one.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining tonight. We'll see you soon,
Speaker 3: bab