Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to Pink Shade. This is a bonus episode,
you guys. I've been loving this season of ninety de Fiance,
season twelve. It is so good. This past week was great.
This next week looks to be amazing as well. So
I'm very excited to say I have an interview today
with Paula of Paula and Thomas. Welcome to the show, Paula.
Speaker 2: Welcome, Mary Pain. I'm very happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Your hair has gotten longer, I think since we've seen
you on the show.
Speaker 2: It is. It is a little bit longer, and yeahs
I'd like you to have longer hair, so I'm trying
to keep it longer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks great, well, yeah, I do. It's pretty. Yeah,
it's a good color. It's a good color.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I need to know from what we saw
on the show, you met Thomas because you guys were
playing volleyball in like the La Long Beach area. You
were listening, Okay, So.
Speaker 2: I was visiting in Mosa Beach.
Speaker 1: Okay beach. Yes, So if you were in town visiting
and then you decide to date, how did you find
your way onto ninety eight Beyance? How did you get
on the show.
Speaker 2: Because everybody since I started dating him, since I started
to date Thomas, everybody always say, you guys should do
none deficiency, you should do no defense and I in
that time I never heard about because in Brazil, I
was like, I'm very busy working and for TV, like
it's rare now I have, but in that time, I
was very busy growing my business and I was like,
what is this? And then I started doing some research
and I say that was the biggest reality show on
the United States, and I was like, wow, that's huge.
But people say that over and over again, only like
just for me and for him, like as well all
the time, and then we decided to sign up.
Speaker 1: Amazing. I mean, I think it's such an interesting story
when people meet very organically, like you had a common
interest playing volleyball on the beach. Yeah, okay, So tell
me about your career in Brazil because you were you
said you were you had a piercing a piercing shop,
So explain all about that please. I'm dying to that.
Speaker 2: I created the first piercing branch shop in Brazil. So
it's not just a piercing studio, it's a jury shop.
Like it's more fancy luxury because in Brazil, piercing was
something very niche, like about uh tribes like like Rocker.
Speaker 1: Yes, dark Key.
Speaker 2: And then I saw one opportunity to put my personality
on the business and I create the first brand of
luxury piercing shop. So today we are way more than
a piercing studio. A piercing studio the person goals to
just piercing their body. We are personal piercer, which means
like we do personalize it projects. And I learned all
this because I started working with celebrities in Brazil and
they was very specific and I was like, okay, so
the same way there's a personal stylist, personal shopper, personal trainer,
why not a personal piercer. Then I developed my niche
all around this. It was very hard because in Brazil
everyone was against it is a business that is dominated
was dominated by manure man, you know, and I got
lots of haters, a lot, but I grow very fast.
So in six months, I bought a house, car, I
had money to travel. It was a magical thing that
happens to me. And today our targets it's woman, but
not because they want to pierce their body and they
want to look radical. No, it's only luxury womans that
they want to increase their appearance. They want to have
the only ear is styling. So it's not body piercing,
it's ear. It's styly piercing. And uh, we do projects
that match with the person personalities and healing process. This
never had in the market in all over the world.
So I'm the first one that's doing this. And also
I'm writing a book about this. Yeah, so so will
be Yeah that's cool.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, my Dag has a lot of piercings on
her ears and stuff, and she has something recently that
I also recently saw when I was on a Virgin
cruise and they had like a piercing tattoo studio there
and I saw people coming in and my daughter just
got it under your ears and it's called like fairy
bites or something, and it's three little tiny ones and
like a little star formation, like a little tiny triangle formation,
like tiny tiny It's very cute.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is. I created one technique Australian piercings, three
little diamonds on the cardilage right here, so if I
can show.
Speaker 1: You, yes, and uh, this three little one here, Yes cute.
Speaker 2: I traded market then in Brazil and become viral. So
these guys was responsible like for maybe half of my
career because piercing in that time the symbol of rebel
and being more crazy can And then I came with
something super tiny, feminine and delicate. And this like the
first day that I launched this. In the day after,
I got almost one thousand messages on my what's up.
People was asking like I want to do?
Speaker 1: I want to do?
Speaker 2: And then all the new piercing era started because I
was like, okay, I have a mission here. I worked
with piercing since two thousand and three, so more than
twenty years a go. Yeah, I failed more than ten
business in Brazil, piercing business, and I insisted every business
I was insisting, and I was like, there's something wrong
and I'm gonna found what, like what can I do?
So I used my knowledge as a like accessory designer
and I combined piercing with with like with a sux
serry sorry my English with a sexer designer. So I
started to create visuals that it was more feminine, more personalized,
more delicate, and because woman wants to get piercing, but
they don't look like younger or crazy, or they don't
want to impose one personality that doesn't match with their work.
They are lawyers, they are doctors, they are woman with kids.
They just want to look pretty and right. Yeah, and
then I created the solution not only piercing, but cleaning,
maintaining and like everything. So it's it's very good, y'all.
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so you have this very successful business over there and
you decide to move to the United States. Now, what's
that been like? So I assume you're still running this business,
but you're with Thomas in the United States, Like, that
must have been a very hard decision.
Speaker 2: It was a very hard decision. But I'm very ambitious
in a good way. I am actually opening my second
business in Brazil, and I'm looking for business partners to
open my franchise model. I had this vision and I'm
gonna do the same in the United States because I
think in my business, my business model helps women. They
do doctor appointments, they need, they do like like events
like wedding and all social things. Then they need a
personal percy like it is more than styling once in
a while, they need the like could they go to
the hairstylist or nil or nail designer. So I think
I will help lots of women.
Speaker 1: That's that's cool. So are you trying to open that
there in California?
Speaker 2: I yes, I am, Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll be very successful. Okay, now tell
me about the miniatures, because this has gotten a lot
of attention, and with Thomas's sort of super minimalistic style,
and then you're coming in with all your little miniatures,
which I'd say is like maximalistic. I just said he
should give you just one little corner shelving unit and
you could put all your things in there and then
all your stuff contained. So are you do you have
your miniatures in the States, Because I really I want
that for you, because I love the little minish my unaitures.
Speaker 2: They are more than just cute things. They are tools
for manifestation. Yes, well, everyone that I had like one another.
It's like only for decorations, but most of them, I
use it for a tool that helps me to manifest
my reality. And they really works. They really work. And
uh Thomas, uh, he doesn't want it because he thought
that was silly. And it was very hard for me
to collect them in the United States because the house
was so empty that I don't have any place to
put them. So yes, because I need to see them
every day and I need to to interact with them,
and I and like there was all in a box
and it was kind of messing with my process because
I need to to see them. So I have one
here like right now.
Speaker 1: That's it. It's a little teacup.
Speaker 2: It is just for us talking right now. So I
am manifesting a very good talk and uh that I
can express myself good because you know, English is not
my first language. So this is like a way that
I'm manifesting a good conversation and people understand me and
my point.
Speaker 1: But that to me means that you're gonna spell the tea.
That's what that means to me. You're gonna spell the tea.
You're gonna tell me everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, yes, maybe I can do it. I can
just throw out yeah, so cute. So Thomas doesn't he
doesn't accept too well because he thought that was silly.
But it is effect.
Speaker 1: I think it is effective. I'll tell you that. My
listeners know. For years I said I always wanted to
have a beach house because we live here in Virginia
and there's no beach nearby, but we go to a
certain beach in North Carolina that I loved, loved it
for twenty years. So about maybe five years ago, instead
of saying I hope one day I have a beach house,
I started saying I will have a beach house. And
when I have my beach house, and guess what, last
year we got a beach house. You have to really
think about it, you have to really in my mind,
it really works. You just have to really put your
mind to it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: It's not just because it came to me and somebody.
Speaker 2: Gave it to me. I mean, we bought it manifested, but.
Speaker 1: I manifested like I know it's going to happen for
me and I just have to talk it into existence.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's exactly the process that I do. I am
manifesting so many things at the same time that the miniatures,
and not only the miniatures. I have cell phone live
screen protection with my vision board, and I have my
manifesting routine that I do every day. So it really
works and fast, really fest So for you have an idea,
there was a celebrity in Brazil and I started to
think about her manifest and do her ear styling. One
week after she messaged me.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's cool. Now would we know who that is?
Speaker 2: It's a TV singer. She's called Pablo Guitar. Okay, okay,
And does she message me and say, hey, I want
to do my ear styling because I saw your your
Instagram it's very beautiful. One week after see it is
very fast. Okay.
Speaker 1: I have a question. Can you get Thomas like a
tiny perfume bottle and tell him you're manifesting him, not
to pretend he's allergic to perfume.
Speaker 2: Actually, I bought miniature of perfume. I bought well like
last year and filming. I was trying because perfume for
me is something so important. I love perfume, Like in
my apartment, I have dozens of and the fact that
Thomas attacked my habits so bad, and I was trying
to found every solution that I could. So I bought
a tiny perfume miniature and I put it on the
like on the restroom. So I put the training me
and him to see a tiny bottle and get used
it to like I could bring you one real one.
Speaker 1: Okay, has he found something that he can tolerate that
you also like.
Speaker 2: He tolerates some things that is not chemistry, So even
for cleaning products are perfume or anything needs to be
natural vegan, no chemistry, supernatural, which just makes sense. My
brother have the same issue.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: When we was filming, my brother was super sick because
of the carpet. Oh, he was so sick because he
was no voice, and there was wondering to rent one
like hotel or something. But I wanted to be with
my like my family together, and I said, please don't
go and stay here. He was dying, but he was
in the apartment because of me, my brother. So I
kind of understand Thomas, but he's not open. He was
not open to looking for solutions because my brother is
also super allergic. But we can live with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like he's not.
Speaker 2: Dictator and period No, and he's a dictator. He is
like no, no conversation, period.
Speaker 1: He's very dramatic. He's very dramatic about the perfume.
Speaker 2: Super super He's dramatic about everything.
Speaker 1: He's what is he? Somebody told me he is a
aerospace engineer. What is his career?
Speaker 2: He's an aerospace engineer and he works with computers, so
he's a like engineer for computer and he builds projects
for biggie companies. He's a super smart guy. And uh,
he lives in another world that it's hard to access.
And sometimes I ask him myself, Hi, I I accessed
him because before me, he only had one girlfriend. He
never introduced any girl to his family, he never lived
with someone, he never nothing. So me, in a certain way,
I could. I had access to a very weird person,
which makes which makes me worry because we attracted who
who we are are are are things that we need
to feel ourselves of. It is then that makes made
me think a lot like what the universe is trying
to tell me with this relationship.
Speaker 1: With very opposite you're very opposite.
Speaker 2: Complimentary, in a in a in a seeking way.
Speaker 1: You commentary, Yes, that's nicer. Yes, the world wants to know.
The world wants to know if you've gotten a dresser
or if your underwear isn't bend in the closet.
Speaker 2: I got a dresser the other space, which is bigger,
and I could put all my clothes. But it's it's
so little comparing with the one that I have in Brazil.
But it was a beginning. So I got a bigger
dresser and I could see all my stuff, very organized it.
I am very methodic, so I need to see my
clothes and everything. And it was very good. It was
a piece of of of peace. Yes, my mind was
freaking so much watching the show back, I feel so
bad for myself because I was so vulnerable. I was neil.
My English wasn't that good? Not this is amazing today,
but it's better. And I was so patient. I was like,
why am I so patient? Am I giving so much?
I was trying to be evolved being and trying to
do not lower my highest my voice. I was trying
to be a person, you know, very calm. But with
some people we find a way of communication, and that
is not with Thomas at all. You don't respect as
much as I try to becolm and evolve and very
amazing and simpl he sit over me.
Speaker 1: So it's crazy because his point was, well, when you
go on vacation, you can live out of a suitcase,
but you're not on vacate, you've moved there. So since
you've moved there, I think that your point was so
valid and could go for anybody on this show, which
is I just expect what I had at my house.
I'm not expecting more. Just what I had at my
house was a closet, dresser and a couch, So I
need these things at my new house. I'm not expecting more.
I just need to say yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: But was a surprise for me because lots of shades
of his personality I never knew because we was dating
long distance for so many years and it doesn't knew
these shades. And then when I saw, I was in shock,
and I ended off all their relationship, like with other boyfriends,
in a very dramatic way, because as I start to
be crazy and like yelling, you know, and I try
to be as much peaceful as I could. But it
was really hard because he tested me in all way possible.
And it is not because I saw some people say
online like oh she have money, she is lying because
she is not poor. It is not because of that,
because when you move to a place and you have
someone else, you need to do together. Yes, so I
think it is not worth I bring my money from Brazil,
which is very little. If I convert my current money
to us, it's it is nothing and all my money
right now, I am using to invest and grow my business.
So I just bought a new room.
Speaker 1: Very big.
Speaker 2: We are building. It is very expensive because it's like
it is luxury and I don't have money.
Speaker 1: To like an address addresser is not very by the way,
you can get a cute dresser for not much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, before we start to date, he had some good
plans like oh uh, we're gonna leave, You're gonna build
it our life with me, You're gonna do everything beautiful,
blah blah blah. And then when I went to the US,
there was nothing, and I was patient with nothing, but
it was like when what is next?
Speaker 1: Patient about two days with nowhere to put my clothes? Okay,
but I have a question about that apartment. So we
all agree that the table is ridiculous and you need it.
It's not hard also to buy. You could get all
these things at Target or Costco. But if the money
is the issue. But is this apartment one bedroom and
he has a bed in the bedroom and a bed
in the living room.
Speaker 2: No, his apartment is two bedrooms. So there's a bedroom
and it's actually it's a bedroom, and then there's a
living room that he turns into another bedroom because he
has a he had a bed. Then he turns into
a couch.
Speaker 1: No, it's a bed. There's a difference. You need a couch.
It's so funny on this season too with Katie and Josh,
and it's it's similar. But all he's asking for is
a place to sit, and she's like, we can sit
on the floor. He's like, my back hurts. We're in
a twin bed. All I'm asking for is a couch.
And every time we see Josh and he's in that
one office chair where like he has one chair, and
I was like, it's like, Paula, all she wants is
a couch. And I love how You're like, here's the
tiny couch. We're manifesting it, we're looking at it. We're
going to get a couch. So I hope as the
season goes, you get to decorate this apartment and get
a couch, yes, instead of a bed.
Speaker 2: I try my best to show in a very polite
to it the thing that I wanted. But Thomas, he
has a very straight mind. I kind of understand why
his parents got divorce, his dad and his that mom
lives in a trailer, like on a trailer so the
way because I like to think to see things from
behind the way that he do with his life. He
doesn't want to have anything because it's easy to move on.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to attach. And it's weird because I
told him many times say, hey, I can't live in
a place that I that I don't feel good. I
can't my apartment. It's it is beautiful, and I want
to the same place that I feel comfortable that I
look at it like oh my place, and I like it,
and I don't feel happy here. I try it, I
really try.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting because we do see a couple of
weeks ago we saw with his dad and his stepmom,
and then I know on a coming episode. We've seen
some previews where you're going to be talking to his stepmom,
and I think that thing that was very interesting how
the stepmom, you know, with editing and production, it comes
across like she's really harsh, but I think it seems
that she was really hurt because she was so close
to Thomas. And then he's going back to his biological mom,
who seems, for all intents and purposes, left him as
a child, which is shocking and now but you can't
blame him for, as an adult trying to make a
connection with her. But you can also see the side
of the stepmother who's very hurt. So is that that's
going to play out with how she was mad at
you and she explains to you, did you know this
situation with his mother and his stepmother? Did you know
how deep it was?
Speaker 2: It doesn't knew because he spoke very little about his
parents and his family at all. And the first two
years that I was dating him, I thought that he
was a skin because I knew nobody from his side,
and I was like, I need to see something. And
then he introduced me his auntie and then his sister,
and then I started to trust. But it was very
weird and the relationship that he has with his stepmom
answered many things about his personality today that builds him. Yeah,
which is I like about personal self like evolving. It's
because you can go back there and fix things as
a mature person and grew up in your life. Because life,
it is not being victim of a situation. His parents
got the fought on the court for thirty five times
when he was a kid.
Speaker 1: That's a lot for a kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that don't but that. I try to tell
him that that doesn't define him. So he should use
that to grow and be very voted and maybe inspire
other young guys, you know. But he he wants to
be in a state that he's a victim, that he
doesn't want any because it's better. He want a very
empty place because if if he loses his job, it
is easy to move on. So he also he always
manifests in bad things. If I lose my job, if
I don't need where to go, if I blah blah blah,
and I am the positive, I am manifesting more like
one more place in Brazil, yes, in the West, one
place in Europe. I am always you know, working, And
he's thinking about the worst.
Speaker 1: That bothers me a lot see like you could really
help him though, because he's coming from a negative face
and he's coming from childhood trauma of I don't want
to have a lot of things in case I have
to move quickly, and you're coming from a pace of like, no,
let's settle and let's manifest that everything will continue to
go well, and you won't. You will keep your job,
you will get a better job, You'll continue to go up.
And I that's very interesting. And I think the dynamic
with his stepmom and his dad and what we're going
to see about her explaining to you about the mother
is fascinating. It's very sad to think that that happened
to him, But like you said, now they're adults and
maybe he can on his little part, he can fix it.
That's you guys are so it's so interesting how opposite
you are. But I like how you said, but you
can also be complementary and help each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I help more than he helped me.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: So that's trying to be nice, yes, And the thing
is between his parents, It is very hard, especially with
his mom. He tried to connect it to his mom
all during the filming for She Yeah, up, and filming,
and she never wanted. That makes him very upset. He doesn't.
They don't talk like for a while.
Speaker 1: Because and it's hard to just sort of like live
in the moment of like let me be grateful for
just my father and my stepmother and let that part
of my life go. It's hard, I think, especially if
that's your if you're your parent. Yeah, it's that's rough.
Now tell me about your family in Brazil.
Speaker 2: My family is super especial. We are very attached. Of course,
we have problems, of course, but we are here to evolve.
So I came to from a very poor family. We
live it in a very poor place in Brazil. I
had nothing besides my brain to think and in my
in my future. And my mom she also had a
vision for me and my siblings, and she even when
we was kids kids, she always put us to do
things school. So we did the swimming classes, which in
that time for for like those kids was something very huge.
But she was always and and she put us in
a computer classes and uh so she was helping us
to evolve as a as a person. And uh and
my siblings we are winners in all uh like aspectus
of life. We we we are doing our best. So
like we have our businesses. Uh, our goals are I
don't know how in English, but we are very good.
And uh we came from nothing, so that that that
makes me feel very resilient because when I hear people say, oh,
I have nothing, I'm poor, blah blah blah. I came
from nothing and I build everything, so I do some people.
I need to have more patient with people when they
say that they are in a very sensitive way. That's
why Universe send me Thomas to give me the opportunity
of me work with my patient really yeah, yes, and
my empathy for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that you are so interesting and so
inspirational and I'm really like looking forward to seeing how
this all plays out on the show. But tell everybody
that's listening how they can find out about your business
and where to follow you, because it sounds fascinating your business.
So tell everybody where we can follow you and find
out about your business.
Speaker 2: Sure, my Instagram is open. I'm trying to make content
in English and in Portuguese.
Speaker 1: Okay, it is a mix.
Speaker 2: And also my TikTok they both are just Paulina nick
name me in Portuguese, which means little Paula, so it
is very hard to spell in English, so people call
me in Brazil Paulina, but it's just Paulina and uh.
You can also found me on my jurist studio called
Piercing Joya and uh I'll be in the US and
uh I'll be doing uh very beautiful ear stylist like
not me. I want to training people. I want to
develop my business, so I want to just be the
Peerson business owner and I want to training people. Tell
me that I do, like with my employees in Brazil.
So that's what I do, and I also want I am.
I am kind of receiving some message from people and
they say that I inspire them and they want to
learn more about manifestation and everything. I never thinking about
that in a way that I could teach other people.
But now I am start to study and to put
in words all the methods that I use and worked
with me. Yes, and how you teach other people.
Speaker 1: Soon you should show it on your TikTok, like you
showed the little teacup. That's an example, and you're saying
that you put the little perfume in the bathroom, so
you see it, and he sees it and it gets
into your I think it's fascinating. I think you should
do that on your TikTok. I think you would get
a lot of people that were interested.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very nice to meet you. And I can't
wait to watch the rest of the season. And I
can't wait to see the tell all and I love
the tell all when everybody gets to meet, and I
think that's always interesting too. I don't want anybody to fight,
but I like to see when everybody gets to have
opinions on other people's stories.
Speaker 2: You know. Yes, it is a pleasure being on the show.
I never watched before, and I think was good because
I came into that myself, all my vulnerabilities, like everything
was one hundred percent me and I honestly watched myself
there and I and I feel stronger now, I feel
more resilient. So it was a pleasure to be part
of that. And what's the dream? I also manifested be
in any defiancy, so so what's the dream that became true? Yeah,
it's very fun.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you again, and everybody go follow Paulina and
I will let like I want, I will not let
I will link I will link all of her socials
here on this interview, so you can go and follow her,
follow her and see all her tiny things and all
her menifectations.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Mary pay Bye bye,