WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:02.919 It's night with Dan Ray. 2 00:00:03.600 --> 00:00:04.639 I'm tell you easy. 3 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:11.199 I'll thank you again for the kind intro. Two hours down, 4 00:00:11.240 --> 00:00:14.640 two hours to go. By the way. Tomorrow, I'm gonna 5 00:00:14.679 --> 00:00:19.440 have doctor David Nathan on, probably the most knowledgeable person 6 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:24.640 in the United States in regards to diabetes. So that'll 7 00:00:24.640 --> 00:00:28.320 be on eight to nine, nine o'clock. I'll have Beer 8 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:32.399 Dave on, a regular guest that I've used over the 9 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:36.719 past decade plus, and he'll be telling you what's new 10 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:41.960 with your favorite logger, dB Cooper. She'll be on from 11 00:00:42.039 --> 00:00:47.759 ten to eleven. And she's a voice actress and she 12 00:00:47.960 --> 00:00:51.000 went out to Hollywood and made a major name for 13 00:00:51.039 --> 00:00:55.840 herself and she does all kinds of things voice work 14 00:00:55.880 --> 00:01:02.039 on game shows and commercials, et cetera. And speaking of speech, 15 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.840 Dennis Becker, who was a teacher of mine way back 16 00:01:06.840 --> 00:01:10.200 in high school. He has a company called the Speech 17 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:15.359 Improvement Company. He'll be on and give you some pointers 18 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:19.680 how to put a better foot forward when you communicate 19 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:24.799 with somebody, specially first impressions. So that'll be my lineup tomorrow. 20 00:01:24.799 --> 00:01:28.159 Because I'm here tomorrow night filling in for Nightside Dan Ray. 21 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.000 I will not be at the midway restaurant where I 22 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:35.359 normally can be found six to seven thirty on Tuesdays, 23 00:01:35.760 --> 00:01:40.359 but I'll be there next week and now tonight for 24 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:47.319 two hours. A gentleman who I have used twice as 25 00:01:47.439 --> 00:01:50.439 nice as the old saying goes, because I use him 26 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:53.359 to talk baseball and I use him to talk about 27 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:58.239 the National Park system. He used to be a member, 28 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:04.120 He was a race at one point, retired better every 29 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:07.000 now and then, he still dips his toe into the 30 00:02:07.079 --> 00:02:14.879 National park waters here in Boston and beyond. Please welcome. Yes, 31 00:02:15.120 --> 00:02:18.319 I know his full name is Richard Duranto, but we 32 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:20.599 just call him Dixie. How are you, Dixie? 33 00:02:21.520 --> 00:02:24.319 Hello Morgan, Hello Gray, Hello Nancy? 34 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:30.319 And do you know Gray was asleep on the table 35 00:02:30.719 --> 00:02:33.319 and he was using a com rex for a pillow. 36 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:38.879 He had his head on the com rex. Yeah, getting 37 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:43.680 a quick forty winks. 38 00:02:41.719 --> 00:02:43.199 Another forty winks. 39 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:48.159 Yes, that's right, Cat. So tell people what you're going 40 00:02:48.240 --> 00:02:48.960 to be doing tonight. 41 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:54.599 Well, we hope to be talking about National parks. We 42 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:58.400 don't know what condition they're going to be in when 43 00:02:58.439 --> 00:03:01.599 we're done talking. But if you would like to go 44 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:03.800 to a National park, you have a story about going 45 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:06.840 to a National park? Call in and we'll talk about it. 46 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:09.680 Or if you're planning to go, we can talk about 47 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:12.080 that too. If you need some help, need a couple 48 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.199 of hints here of the off the wall hints for 49 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:17.439 a trip, call in. 50 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.680 And you can get specific. There are and I'm going 51 00:03:20.759 --> 00:03:23.400 to say the word approximately so you won't yell at me. 52 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.319 Four hundred and twenty three with four hundred and twenty 53 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:31.000 three national parks within the United States. 54 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:34.039 Well, now I can tell you for sure because I 55 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.039 think I sent you something but it might not have 56 00:03:37.080 --> 00:03:40.479 gotten there, but I have. There are now four hundred 57 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:41.479 and thirty three. 58 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:44.719 Oh so I only miss by ten. 59 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:47.560 Only ten. That's not bad, Okay. 60 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:51.960 Not bad. And if you want to call in, Dixie 61 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.960 has been easily two thirds of these parks. 62 00:03:55.240 --> 00:03:59.680 No, no, only half, only half, only half. They keep 63 00:03:59.719 --> 00:04:03.680 making new ones and I just can't get to them all. Okay, 64 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:06.960 I used to be two thirds, but now now I'm half. 65 00:04:07.800 --> 00:04:10.560 Well, major parks you've. 66 00:04:10.360 --> 00:04:13.000 Been to, Yes, I've been to two thirds of the 67 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:13.719 major ones. 68 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.839 And if you want to ask, because you have a 69 00:04:16.920 --> 00:04:21.839 trip planned, you're going to the Grand Canyon, You're going 70 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:30.040 to the Yon Yellowstone, he can give you the heads up. 71 00:04:30.079 --> 00:04:34.959 Low down on those parks, And what was the first 72 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.839 national park? Because I know it was Teddy Roosevelt who 73 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:42.279 decided this area should be a national park. I so 74 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:43.079 decree it. 75 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:51.680 Well, you're you're mixing up your information, Okay, the verse. 76 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:57.000 The very first national park was Yellowstone in eighteen seventy two, 77 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:02.839 Ulysses S. Grant. Okay, okay, So what you're thinking of 78 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:08.759 is the first national monument nineteen oh six, nineteen oh six, 79 00:05:08.920 --> 00:05:14.600 Devil's Tower in Wyoming. Okay, Close Encounters of a Third 80 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:20.279 kind from that movie, Yes, yes, and the visitation to 81 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.560 that park spike for two years after that movie came out. 82 00:05:24.680 --> 00:05:28.680 And you've been there, oh a couple times, and you've 83 00:05:28.680 --> 00:05:29.800 been to the tippy top. 84 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.759 Oh no, no, no, uh, that's that's quite a it's 85 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:37.240 not even a hike, it's a climb. 86 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:44.120 So no, And they of fudged, they fudged that. They 87 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:48.439 made it seem large enough that these giant flying saucers 88 00:05:49.920 --> 00:05:51.800 there was room for them up top there. 89 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.759 Well, there's a little bit of room. The sauces were 90 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:58.480 were looked to be much bigger than the top, but 91 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:01.120 the top is pretty big, Okay. 92 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.720 And because of that movie, a lot of people went 93 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:07.399 to the area just to see what it. 94 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.560 Was like as well they should. It was the first 95 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:16.839 national monument that's different from a National park in terminology, 96 00:06:16.920 --> 00:06:21.319 by size, and by some other things also. But Teddy 97 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:26.079 Roosevelt is the president who decided that the places in 98 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:30.439 the United States that didn't quite come up to the 99 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:35.959 standards of being a national park, say Mount Rainier and 100 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.800 Yellowstone and Grand Canyon, they should also be recognized and 101 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.560 brought into the fold, so to speak. 102 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:50.040 Okay, and is Mount McKinley a National park? 103 00:06:51.839 --> 00:07:00.120 Denali? Denali? Is Mount McKinley in Alaska, College Beak in North. 104 00:07:01.439 --> 00:07:02.800 Yeah, Tas Peak. 105 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:04.519 Where Dallas Peak in North America? 106 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:05.879 Okay? 107 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.680 And uh, it was Mount McKinley at the beginning, but 108 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:12.800 was Renameddanali a long time ago. 109 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:20.079 Because I hear that now President Trump wants to put 110 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:21.560 its name back the way it was. 111 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:23.560 Sure, naturally. 112 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.639 Now now I heard the tone in your voice. 113 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:32.480 It wouldn't surprise me a bit. 114 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.800 I heard the tone in your voice now. Now, yeah, 115 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:40.000 So what national parks do we have around here? 116 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:43.720 Well, we have probably we have a good dozen in 117 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:49.839 the Boston area. Uh, Sagas Iron Works, Longfellow House in Cambridge, 118 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:57.319 John F. Kennedy birthplace in Brooklines, frederickstad in Brookline. We 119 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.360 have a lot Lowell National Park up in Lowell. We've 120 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:04.600 got a lot, all right, and. 121 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:11.160 Tease this. I know there are a handful of national 122 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.519 parks that have revamped themselves to make it more attractive 123 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:21.279 for tourists to go there. Tell people, but don't give 124 00:08:21.639 --> 00:08:25.720 give names. Just tease people of some of those locations 125 00:08:25.720 --> 00:08:29.120 that we'll discuss more after the break. 126 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:35.039 I'm not quite sure what you're meaning, but several parks 127 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.519 in the last ten or fifteen years that I went 128 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:44.759 to a long time ago that were called national monuments 129 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:51.080 way back when are now officially national parks, which means 130 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.840 their area has increased and their amount of protection has 131 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.200 also increased for various reasons. 132 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:02.960 Then we'll talk about yeah when you come back. Okay, fine, 133 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:08.679 all right, anyone who wants to join our conversation six one, seven, two, five, four, 134 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:12.240 ten thirty eight eight, eight, nine to nine, ten thirty. 135 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:17.000 That'll get you through tonight's side. Dan is my producer tonight, 136 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:20.519 not Dan Ray, but my producer. Dan is here instead 137 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:25.600 of Rob Brooks, and he'll treat you quite nicely on 138 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:31.799 the phone. Time in temperature ten fifteen nineteen degrees. 139 00:09:33.159 --> 00:09:37.240 Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World Nightside. 140 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:42.399 Studios on WBZ News Radio. My name Morgan White Junior. 141 00:09:42.600 --> 00:09:45.840 I am filling in for Dan for the rest of 142 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:49.159 this evening until midnight, and as well, I'll be here 143 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:53.519 tomorrow night. I already told you the guests will be 144 00:09:53.639 --> 00:09:56.639 joined me tomorrow night. Maybe I'll repeat that list a 145 00:09:56.679 --> 00:10:00.200 little bit later on. And Wednesday is when Dan comes back, 146 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:06.240 and believe me, he'll have many talking points. Obviously, this 147 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:11.720 is a busy week for conversation and talk shows. I've 148 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.440 got Dixie with me now, who used to work for 149 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:19.399 the National Park Service, and you were telling me the 150 00:10:19.480 --> 00:10:23.960 difference between a National park and what. 151 00:10:26.159 --> 00:10:31.519 Well, there are maybe ten or twelve different designations for 152 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:36.399 places in the National Park Service that are parks. Of course, 153 00:10:36.480 --> 00:10:42.600 the Big Ones, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Yosemite, Grand Canyon, they're 154 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:47.519 all National parks period and there is sixty three of those. 155 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:52.720 But there are now three hundred and seventy other types 156 00:10:52.759 --> 00:10:58.759 of parks, National historic sites, national historic parks, national battlefields, 157 00:10:58.919 --> 00:11:02.360 national lake shore, La la la la, lot goes on and. 158 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:04.559 On, totally free. 159 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:07.759 We learned that today, Yes, that's right, four point thirty 160 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:13.480 three as of today. Uh, so you know where you are. 161 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.799 There's a different a little different name for it, but 162 00:11:16.879 --> 00:11:20.200 it's still no matter how small it is. And there's 163 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:24.960 the smallest one is one building in in Philadelphia. The 164 00:11:25.000 --> 00:11:29.480 staty is Koshusco House. And that's like one house. And 165 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:29.960 that's it. 166 00:11:30.639 --> 00:11:33.919 And why why is that of note? 167 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:40.120 Because General Krstusco was man it was it was a 168 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:44.679 very good ally of ours in the Revolutionary War, provided 169 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:48.679 much help for George Washington and he lived He lived 170 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:52.039 there for a year or so. Uh. And it is 171 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.159 the one building, as I said, is a national park. 172 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.279 But it's just one house. That's the smallest one. 173 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.639 And if he ever came back to life, he would 174 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.200 he would have still there. 175 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:08.240 Okay, we're saving his bid for him. 176 00:12:08.759 --> 00:12:11.559 All right, let's take a phone call. So Chris on 177 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:13.840 the Cape, Welcome to night Side. 178 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:23.000 Hello Chris, Yes hi, I just wanted to since I'm 179 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:26.879 from the Cape, I noted a rather glaring omission in 180 00:12:27.000 --> 00:12:30.840 terms of Cape Cod National National Parks. And let's not 181 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:34.200 forget about the Cape Cod National Seashore. Who can't forget 182 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:38.000 about the years or sixty four years old and that 183 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:41.360 is one of the hugest draws of any national park 184 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.480 in New England, I would guess. But I'd also like 185 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:49.919 you to comment on the famed Supreme Court Justice Wilderness 186 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:56.240 Officiando William O. Douglas and what influence he may have 187 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.120 had on creating new parks. And with that, I'll just 188 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.240 hang up, But I I couldn't sit by idly and 189 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:05.080 allow our Cape Cod National Seashore to be on. 190 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:07.279 No, wait a minute, Hold on a second, don't hang up, 191 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:11.120 don't hang up. Have you lived on the cape all 192 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:11.720 your life? 193 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:13.919 Not yet. 194 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:20.519 Up until this point, then yes, to this point. And 195 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:25.080 my father was actually very instrumental and work very hard 196 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.960 as a selectman in Provincetown in creating the National Seashore, 197 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:36.759 and you with Tip O'Neil and Governors, Sergeant and of 198 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:41.879 course jfk and and other dignitaries. But it was a 199 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:46.480 very very hard fought battle back in late fifties early 200 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:52.799 sixties to overcome the fierce yes concerns of the real 201 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:53.559 estate interests. 202 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:56.440 So well, I would like I would like you to 203 00:13:56.480 --> 00:14:00.960 tell the listening audience what might have happened and if 204 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.879 the Cape Cod National Seashore did not exist. 205 00:14:06.399 --> 00:14:10.639 Oh, it would be. It would not be what we'd 206 00:14:10.679 --> 00:14:12.679 have a bunch of Trump towers out there. Let's put 207 00:14:12.679 --> 00:14:14.960 it that way. 208 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:15.399 Because. 209 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:23.600 It would be a whole different character in space when 210 00:14:23.639 --> 00:14:26.279 you answer the rotary, and when you answer the rotary 211 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:29.559 in Orleans, virtually everything on the Atlantic side of Route 212 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:35.480 six from East Ham to the Provincetown is covered by 213 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:40.000 National Seashore restrictions. And thank goodness, I mean the province lands, 214 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:46.960 it's majestic, the sand dunes, all the rest. It would 215 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:53.399 be nothing. It wouldn't have the attraction that has been 216 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:56.600 inspired since and will continue. 217 00:14:57.320 --> 00:14:59.519 So does that answer answer your question? 218 00:15:00.519 --> 00:15:04.240 Yes, And he has said my piece without me saying 219 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:10.679 a word. As for William O. Douglass. As for William O. Douglass, 220 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:16.480 I really don't have any idea of what his contributions were. 221 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:20.320 I'm sorry to say, but I don't. I know a 222 00:15:20.320 --> 00:15:22.679 lot of other people who contributed to a lot of things, 223 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.159 but I don't know what he did well. 224 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:29.440 He wrote some he used to take his off time 225 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:37.399 in going to Yosemity or to the Great Wilderness that 226 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:42.440 remained so in large part because of the influence of 227 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:49.399 the National Park creations. And I don't know without national parks, 228 00:15:49.440 --> 00:15:53.559 we'd have a lot of developed space or just ballow space. 229 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.840 Yes, we would. Are you sure you're not getting him 230 00:15:57.879 --> 00:15:59.120 mixed up with John Muir? 231 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.960 No, no, I'm not, okay. 232 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:06.240 Who's John? 233 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:12.759 John Muir was a relatively large person in the development 234 00:16:13.000 --> 00:16:17.679 or the undevelopment of western places that eventually turned into 235 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:22.200 national parks. He was a very good friend of Stephen Mather, 236 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.799 who was the first director of the National Park Service 237 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:32.720 in nineteen sixteen, and they contrived to save millions of 238 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:34.639 acres of land for national parks. 239 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:39.919 Was Stephen Mather a direct descendant of Cotton Mather? 240 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:49.759 Not directly, No, okay, because I know that name hysterically. Yes, yep. 241 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.399 Well, Chris, thank you for calling in. 242 00:16:54.279 --> 00:16:57.879 You're most welcome. Keep up the interesting guests. It was 243 00:16:58.039 --> 00:17:01.320 very uh and I'll continue to list. 244 00:17:01.399 --> 00:17:02.320 I appreciate that. 245 00:17:03.080 --> 00:17:05.720 I truly thank you very much. Thank you for calling. 246 00:17:06.039 --> 00:17:09.160 Right right nice because, as Chris said, I work hard 247 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.119 on getting the guests on that I that I get. 248 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:16.119 For an example, Dixie, I've known for over twenty years, 249 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:17.599 and I bring. 250 00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.000 Away a minute that's forty years. 251 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:23.799 Excuse me, I'm sorry. 252 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:33.240 Nineteen eighty and next the year I began radio nineteen. 253 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.319 That's right, all right, Well, I apologize for slighting you 254 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:43.640 twenty years. But for an example, tonight I had Jacob 255 00:17:43.680 --> 00:17:47.400 wycoff Arm from Tandula from eight to nine. 256 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:50.599 Yeah, that was good. I'm a weather person too, so. 257 00:17:51.200 --> 00:17:52.920 Yeah, and I know a lot of people are. We 258 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:57.680 just had a weather event within the past twenty four hours. 259 00:17:57.480 --> 00:17:59.480 No kidding. I woke up to that this morning at 260 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:01.240 the shovel two hours. 261 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:07.880 Ah Well, having Jacob on was well timed, and having 262 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:10.880 you on on the day that America gets a new 263 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:17.480 president is again well timed because you have a number 264 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:24.480 of things planned to talk about presidents whose interaction with 265 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:33.359 America gave us national parks and plus not minus plus 266 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:35.720 things about national parks. 267 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:40.720 Well, the other coincidence tonight's Martin Luther King Day, of course, yes, 268 00:18:41.279 --> 00:18:45.799 and the National Park Service runs his home in Atlanta. 269 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:53.319 And wasn't it free today of all entry fees and whatnot? 270 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:57.319 Because I'm sure it was Martin Luther King Day? 271 00:18:57.920 --> 00:18:59.440 Yeah, sure, yeah. 272 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:05.359 So back to my original point. Every show I do, 273 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.880 whether it's The Morgan Show of filling in for Dan Rey, 274 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:14.279 I put a lot into acquiring guests that have something 275 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:17.880 to offer to the listening audience out there. 276 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:20.640 You know, one of these days, one of these days, 277 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:24.400 you're going to have to have Donna Helper, Andrew Fielding 278 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:28.240 and Me being a three person panel on your show. 279 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:34.119 But there wouldn't be enough microphones to spread around to 280 00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:41.799 all three an hour or so. What I once had 281 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:47.640 the honor of doing one hour or two hours of 282 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:57.880 radio with these individuals Lavelle Diet, Larry Glick by phone, 283 00:19:58.119 --> 00:20:03.480 because we're talking about subjects related to Larry ken Meyer. 284 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.559 Who else? Jordan Rich And I'm trying to think there 285 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:15.559 was another name in there, And believe me, I was 286 00:20:15.599 --> 00:20:17.319 a busy ringmaster that way. 287 00:20:19.319 --> 00:20:20.440 That's a hell of a lineup. 288 00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:24.200 It was a heck of a lineup, for sure, But 289 00:20:24.279 --> 00:20:28.119 I did it. That's why they pay me the big WBZ. 290 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:29.400 Bucks, huge Denaro. 291 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:30.400 Way. 292 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:32.920 By the way, if one of your guests tomorrow doesn't 293 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:37.799 hook on, I'm available because tomorrow is the Hall of 294 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:39.480 Fame induction announcement. 295 00:20:40.559 --> 00:20:45.119 All right, then I'll keep that in mind. And I've 296 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.680 got to wave goodbye to you. You're on hold. I'm 297 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:50.680 not going anywhere, but I've got to move for ABC 298 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:55.640 and ABC is literally ten seconds away time and temperature 299 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.559 here ten thirty and nineteen degrees. 300 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:05.160 You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 301 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:06.279 news radio. 302 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:11.039 Dan, We'll be back on Wednesday, eight sharp, I promise you. 303 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:13.720 I'm Morgan White Junior filling in. I'm here for the 304 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:19.759 rest of this evening and tomorrow's show Tuesday from eight 305 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:26.359 until midnight. Right now, Dixie's here. Former park ranger Richard Durando, 306 00:21:27.319 --> 00:21:30.880 And you've told the story about how you became a ranger, 307 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:37.279 but I want to take you back further. What was it, Dixie? 308 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:40.880 Because every time I have you on, you speak so 309 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:46.799 passionately about the park services and what they offer and 310 00:21:46.839 --> 00:21:51.000 what anyone who travels for a vacation to a park 311 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:55.480 should expect. And your passion is sincere. I know you, 312 00:21:56.359 --> 00:22:00.279 So tell me what first made this so important to 313 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.440 you as a person. 314 00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:09.880 Well, the first time I was thinking about this this 315 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:13.000 afternoon for no particular reason, and of course knowing that 316 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.359 I was going to be on tonight, and I was 317 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.319 thinking about the very first two parks that I ever 318 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:23.079 went to, and why two of them, and two of 319 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:27.599 them and they have no relationship to one another. The 320 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:31.920 first park I think I'm pretty sure about This first 321 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:35.799 National park that I ever went to was the Ulysses S. 322 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:41.400 Grant Memorial in New York on Riverside Drive. It was 323 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:45.960 in nineteen seventy two, three four, something like that, maybe two. 324 00:22:47.799 --> 00:22:50.799 A friend of a friend of mine from college lived there, 325 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:54.680 probably about eight blocks away, and a couple of friends, 326 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:57.759 and we went down to visit him, and the monument 327 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:01.640 was right there. At that time, the monument was closed 328 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:07.480 and was in terrible condition, graffiti all over it, broken boards, everything, 329 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:12.240 because it was nineteen seventy two or three, and no 330 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:16.559 one really cared, and so that was so of course 331 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:20.160 it's one of the smallest parks there is. The second 332 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:23.079 park I ever went to was in nineteen seventy three 333 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:28.200 when I accompanied my next door neighbor from childhood and 334 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:31.759 his wife out to Arizona and we went to Grand Canyon. 335 00:23:33.039 --> 00:23:35.319 So I went from the smallest to one of the 336 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:39.200 biggest and grandest in the course of a year, and 337 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.839 that really set me off. I've always been a geography fan, 338 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.720 always been fascinated by it, and by the time I 339 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:50.680 was out of college and able to do some traveling. 340 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:54.440 Of course, didn't have a lot of money, but we 341 00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:56.920 just started to go to parks in nineteen seventy four. 342 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:00.920 It was an explosion because I went on an eight 343 00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:08.039 week trip by car with three other people, a friend 344 00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:12.119 of mine and his wife and Maryland. I think our 345 00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:18.079 first our first date, was an eight week trip and 346 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:22.160 we crossed we crossed Canada on the Queen's Highway and 347 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:26.680 then came down the West coast. And one of the 348 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:31.079 things that happened was Nixon resigned when we were at Disneyland, Okay, 349 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:36.640 And we went to Yosemite and Mount Rainier and Grand 350 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:40.519 Canyon and all over the place. But that was that 351 00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:45.119 was in a crash course in national parks for certain 352 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:49.279 eight weeks on the road, National park after National Park 353 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:50.319 after National Park. 354 00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.039 Well, I bet you didn't see any graffiti on the 355 00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:54.880 walls of the Grand Canyon. 356 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:57.559 Well, I wasn't in a position for that. 357 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:00.400 No, Okay, well you met that. 358 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:03.720 I'm sure there is some somewhere, but I didn't see 359 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:08.119 any of them, or the other times I've been back. 360 00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:11.240 I would think it would be very difficult to go 361 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:14.400 up on the face of one of those walls and 362 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:16.359 write Kilroy was here. 363 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.799 Well, you can never You can't depend on people to 364 00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:24.559 be intelligent. That's why people fall off the Grand Canyon 365 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:28.680 sides because they get too close for a picture. 366 00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:31.079 Well that's different. 367 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:34.000 Oh is that different? 368 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:36.839 Uh, you're trying to get a picture in the and 369 00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:39.200 the person snapping the shots, Oh, take a couple of 370 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:39.880 steps back. 371 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:43.359 No, No, sometimes they're taking a selfie. 372 00:25:44.119 --> 00:25:48.240 Okay, we'll find I'm not going to speak to them, 373 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:54.839 but to deface a national treasure like the Grand Canyon, 374 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.640 if you fall, you deserve it. 375 00:25:58.279 --> 00:26:02.079 Well people, Yeah, well people do it every day in 376 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:04.720 different places. But they do it every day, and they're 377 00:26:04.720 --> 00:26:07.160 going to do it a lot more because the National 378 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:09.440 Parks are not going to get a lot of money 379 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:12.559 in the next four years, and so there are going 380 00:26:12.599 --> 00:26:15.319 to be fewer park rangers. They're going to be fewer 381 00:26:15.359 --> 00:26:19.400 people there to handle the crowds, and the National Parks 382 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:23.599 will continue to go downhill. There are already twenty five 383 00:26:24.279 --> 00:26:30.359 twenty five billion dollars in reverse for repairs and rehab 384 00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:33.400 work and new things to be built, and it's just 385 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:34.240 going to get bigger. 386 00:26:34.519 --> 00:26:37.759 I'll guarantee that you don't think President Trump is going 387 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:42.759 to address that with all his make America Great Again 388 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:45.319 speech that we heard today. 389 00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:48.720 The America it's not the America, He's going to make 390 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.720 great again. There are at least seven National Park little 391 00:26:51.799 --> 00:26:55.839 units historical sites, mostly in New York City. I will 392 00:26:55.839 --> 00:27:00.160 guarantee you he's never walked into one. 393 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:04.640 You're probably right, although we can't be sure. 394 00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:07.799 No, I'm sure because none of them, none of them 395 00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.079 had his name on it, so he wouldn't walk into it. 396 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:14.000 I was about to say, if this publicity involved, he's 397 00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:16.640 been there with cameras. 398 00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.480 So the backlog of work is going to get higher, 399 00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.960 and that's not good for anyone. Just remember, everybody out 400 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.920 there in listening land, the National Park Service is the 401 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:39.000