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<v Speaker 1>Weird things happened in Weird Weird Weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome guys, we have a really cool episode today.

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<v Speaker 3>Yo.

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<v Speaker 2>I could since it coming, and I always have to.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always my role at the beginning of the show

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<v Speaker 3>is to like be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's why I paused after the sentence. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming, it's coming, thank you. It's been a while

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<v Speaker 2>since we've done a Wizard Traditions, It's been like four months.

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<v Speaker 2>And we were just talking over the other day. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we were actually doing a discord event. We were

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<v Speaker 2>doing a discord event the other night, and we just

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<v Speaker 2>threw up an impromptu poll with like the sixty or

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<v Speaker 2>seventy people that were in there, are like, hey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys like wisdom traditions? Do you like spirit science?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like these segments? And it was like an

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<v Speaker 2>overwhelming yes. So we were like, all right, well we

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<v Speaker 2>got to do a wisdom tradition. Yeah, And we talked

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<v Speaker 2>about it and something that I personally have been like

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<v Speaker 2>really fascinated in lately is mithraism. Yes, you're agreeing that.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just backing you up.

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<v Speaker 2>You're vouching for me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I always got your bag. I'm not lying. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to make sure everybody knows that you're

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<v Speaker 3>not lying. Yeah, you know, he's just somebody's got to

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<v Speaker 3>have your back.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's true.

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<v Speaker 3>Alex definitely don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he never does.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at it. Look at him. He's like, well, I

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<v Speaker 3>mean yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I just thought this one would be really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of out of the box and it's a really

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<v Speaker 2>fascinating part of history that genuinely not much is known about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say not much is known about, but then

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<v Speaker 2>like what we're going to cover today is pretty crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so I guess I'll just kind of get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But so from the like history angle, genuinely not much

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<v Speaker 2>is known about Mithraism. It's mostly like vanished from history.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay for the most part. Actually, you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna put a quick pause before we get into the

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<v Speaker 2>history and the doctrine and the myth ritual system of

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<v Speaker 2>Mithraism itself. I want to take a quick step back

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<v Speaker 2>and talk about like a broader overview about esoteric doctrine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So the deeper you get into this body of knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>the more it becomes clear that there's this like big

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<v Speaker 2>entangled web connecting all of these different systems, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>it's obviously today that takes place in the form of

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<v Speaker 2>like Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry. You have stuff like Hermetic Order, the

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Dawn, you have Theosophy, and there's other systems that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably not that aware of. But in the ancient

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<v Speaker 2>past you had these things like the Odentic mysteries, the Druids.

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<v Speaker 2>You had the worshippers of Auto Whom and Amunrah and

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<v Speaker 2>Isis and Osiris, and you had Serrapis mithraism Orphism, and

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<v Speaker 2>it goes on and on and on. The Elusinian mysteries, yeah, Kabbala, Zoroastrianism,

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<v Speaker 2>the Essenes, the Gnostics. There's this massive web of these

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<v Speaker 2>different schools of thought from these different cultures that were

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<v Speaker 2>preaching the same thing.

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<v Speaker 5>So what is the thing?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the same thing?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me? So I wanted to pull from my new

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<v Speaker 2>favorite text, The Secret Teaching of All Ages to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about like the broad overview of esoteric doctrine. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is from Manly p.

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<v Speaker 5>Hall.

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<v Speaker 2>Few of the early cults actually worshiped anthropomorphic deities, although

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<v Speaker 2>their symbolism might lead one to believe that they did.

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<v Speaker 2>They were moralistic rather than religionistic, philosophic rather than theologic.

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<v Speaker 2>They taught men to use His faculties more intelligently, to

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<v Speaker 2>be patient in the face of adversity, to be courageous

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<v Speaker 2>when confronted by danger, to be true in the midst

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<v Speaker 2>of temptation, and most of all, to view a worthy

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<v Speaker 2>life as the most acceptable sacrifice to God, and his

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<v Speaker 2>body as an altar sacred to the deity. Sun worship

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<v Speaker 2>played an important part in nearly all the early pagan mysteries.

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<v Speaker 2>This indicates the probability of their Atlantean origin, for the

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<v Speaker 2>people of Atlantis were sun worshipers. The solar deity was

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<v Speaker 2>usually personified as a beautiful youth with long golden hair

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<v Speaker 2>to symbolize the rays of the sun. This golden Sun

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<v Speaker 2>was slain by wicked Ruffians, who personified the evil principle

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe. By means of certain rituals and ceremonies

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<v Speaker 2>symbolic of purification and regeneration, this wonderful God of good

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<v Speaker 2>was brought back to life and became the savior of

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<v Speaker 2>his people. The secret processes whereby he was resurrected symbolized

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<v Speaker 2>those cultures by means of which man is able to

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<v Speaker 2>overcome his lower nature, master his appetites, and give expression

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<v Speaker 2>to the higher side of himself. The mysteries were organized

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<v Speaker 2>for the purpose of assisting the struggling human creature to

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<v Speaker 2>reawaken the spiritual powers, which, surrounded by the flaming ring

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<v Speaker 2>of lust and degeneracy, lay asleep within his soul. In

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<v Speaker 2>other words, man was offered a way by which he

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<v Speaker 2>could regain his lost state, and that is from secret

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<v Speaker 2>teachings of all ages. So like the general premise being

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<v Speaker 2>made here throughout this text and just in general throughout history.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, esoteric doctrine is, if you follow the Hermetic philosophy,

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<v Speaker 2>the Hermetic body of knowledge, right, there's this primordial thought,

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<v Speaker 2>there's this primordial tradition, right, that has survived from the

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<v Speaker 2>time of Atlantis. And the idea is that this primordial

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<v Speaker 2>tradition is like shining into all of these systems throughout time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's influencing and informing all of these various myth ritual

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<v Speaker 2>systems throughout time. And then we'll cover this a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit later. But sometime around the i don't know, like

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<v Speaker 2>the three hundreds, I think it was when they had

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<v Speaker 2>the Edict of Milan when they legalized Christianity, and then

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<v Speaker 2>eventually when it became the state religion of Rome, they

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like massacred these other systems. Yeah, they just

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<v Speaker 2>snuffed them out, right, So then like Roman Catholic Christianity

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<v Speaker 2>became like the dominant viewpoint, and it just literally all

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<v Speaker 2>of these traditions kind of washed away into the annals

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<v Speaker 2>of time, right, just disappeared. So it's like, what were

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<v Speaker 2>they teaching? What was the core idea between them? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the idea was present in all of their different ritual

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<v Speaker 2>systems was that we are in a dream, right, We're

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<v Speaker 2>in a dream, that this is an illusion, and that

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<v Speaker 2>the real world is the other world, the spirit world,

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<v Speaker 2>and that we come into this world, we fall into

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<v Speaker 2>this material reality.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Or as you know, some might say as Lucifer rebelled

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<v Speaker 2>against God and then fell into earth and was fell

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<v Speaker 2>beneath earth and was imprisoned, you know, shackled whatever, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's symbolic of us like falling into this state, falling

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<v Speaker 2>away from perfect spiritual reality.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And basically our purpose here is to discover our true

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual reality, to find the philosopher's stone to drink from

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<v Speaker 2>the from the Holy Grail, the chalice, basically to transmute

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<v Speaker 2>our base, animalistic, lower desires into the higher philosophic thought

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<v Speaker 2>and spiritual way of being and thinking and existing and

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<v Speaker 2>like sort of communing with God, the higher consciousness. It's

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<v Speaker 2>like a general view of the esoteric doctrine. Any thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>on that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The way it's it's interesting the way that it's phrase

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<v Speaker 3>is that like those based like the monkey mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember we were talking about like the monkey mind Journey

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<v Speaker 2>to the West.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's like the antithesis of being in a state

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<v Speaker 3>of spiritual being or awakening or enlightenment, like giving into

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<v Speaker 3>those like base. I like the way that it described that,

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<v Speaker 3>like we're all like we have the core of spirituality,

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<v Speaker 3>we have the spiritual core, and it's surrounded by what

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<v Speaker 3>was it lust and like degenerous, degenerousy. I like that

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<v Speaker 3>description a lot. It's it feels so true because there

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<v Speaker 3>are many distractions in this material world, but they are

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<v Speaker 3>just those they're distractions when you have this like underlying, real,

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<v Speaker 3>alive truth that like there is something really beautiful going

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<v Speaker 3>on inside of you into i e. Your soul or

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<v Speaker 3>your consciousness, but you can't really focus on it. Or

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<v Speaker 3>nourish it if you're being distracted by all of these

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<v Speaker 3>like base material, desire and stuff. I find it interesting

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<v Speaker 3>that all of these ancient wisdom traditions are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>hitting on that same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and here's the crazy thing. So you always wonder

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<v Speaker 2>why do they do rituals? At least I did, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>growing up hearing about this stuff since I was eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old, being so fascinated by it, studying it for

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<v Speaker 2>hours and hours and hours. I feel like the first

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<v Speaker 2>level of getting into this whole field of knowledge is like,

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<v Speaker 2>what do they mean? What does it all mean? What

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<v Speaker 2>are they into? What's it about? And the more you read,

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<v Speaker 2>the more you see, like kind of the veil gets

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<v Speaker 2>lifted a little bit and you see like the connection

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<v Speaker 2>between it all. And what I've come to understand is

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<v Speaker 2>that in the ancient times when they did these rituals,

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<v Speaker 2>the reason that they were like, you know, basically, if

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<v Speaker 2>you could tell these secrets will kill you. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>they said it in a different way, but it's because

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<v Speaker 2>at this time, the authorities of the time, in the

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<v Speaker 2>more or less like general populace of the world, the

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<v Speaker 2>initiates or the masters or whatever, the priests of these

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<v Speaker 2>systems believed that this knowledge was not safe among the

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<v Speaker 2>general population. So in order to be initiated into one

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<v Speaker 2>of these traditions, you had to prove that you are worthy,

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<v Speaker 2>which is symbolic of King Arthur pulling the sword from

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<v Speaker 2>the stone or Mulnir. Whoever holds this hammer, you know

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<v Speaker 2>whatever it says, whoever so worthy? Yeah, whoever is worthy

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<v Speaker 2>to hold the same Yeah, who can hold mule near? Like,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to be worthy. You have to be a

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<v Speaker 2>candidate that proves you're worth, that you are earnestly seeking

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<v Speaker 2>this knowledge. So what they would do is they would

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<v Speaker 2>take these candidates who are seeking initiation and they would

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<v Speaker 2>put them through rigorous trials, like sometimes they might have

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<v Speaker 2>a valve of silence for three years. Sometimes they might

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<v Speaker 2>go off into the woods and they have traps in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods, and they have people dressed up, and they

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<v Speaker 2>would do like simulations of hell, like if they were

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<v Speaker 2>the Eleucinian mysteries, the Oracles of Delphi, or the Orphic mysteries,

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<v Speaker 2>they might have created a labyrinth so that people walk

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<v Speaker 2>through the labyrinth and see people dressed up as the

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<v Speaker 2>Menotaur and dressed up as harpies and dressed up as

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<v Speaker 2>hades to like scare the initiate, to show them the

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<v Speaker 2>horrors of living in material reality and the suffering of

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<v Speaker 2>hell if they don't awaken.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's things like that shocking allegory.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, but they would make them live it, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah yeah, because it makes it real.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, makes it real. For it's like, there's no better

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<v Speaker 3>way to learn a lesson than having the shit scared

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<v Speaker 3>out of you.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know that they do this. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>this is real. A because there's evidence of this all

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<v Speaker 2>over the world. But B I'm not gonna say which

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<v Speaker 2>just just maybe because I shouldn't. But I was very

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<v Speaker 2>briefly an afraternity in college. I know you remember this.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very briefly in efternity, and it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal. I mean, I went to a small private

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a huge thing. I was in at two

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<v Speaker 2>later that that fraternity was created by a Freemason. When

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<v Speaker 2>No, I found out because of that, you know. But

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm getting at is, you know, fraternities have rituals,

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<v Speaker 2>and we did a ritual and it was the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a simulation of death and rebirth and

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<v Speaker 2>like darkness and like laying in a coffin and being

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<v Speaker 2>in the dark stuff like that. I mean, it wasn't like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, threat of my life. I mean, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a college thing. It was safe, it wasn't that extreme.

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<v Speaker 3>But it was the fact that all the symbolism was

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm just saying, like in you know, twenty twelve

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<v Speaker 2>it's like reminiscent of what these ancient people actually did.

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<v Speaker 2>little like a little nud a joke. Yeah, like you

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<v Speaker 2>you're observing it happening to someone else. I don't think

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<v Speaker 3>I assume that, like they made you get in a coffin.

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<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, no, I wish I sincerely wish, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish they'd very mean that ship for three days.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just kidding.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, that's that's all I'm saying. I'm just commenting that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I genuinely and earnestly believe that this went on in

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<v Speaker 2>certain ritual societies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dude, if fraternities are doing it today, then I'm

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<v Speaker 2>make these candidates prove their worthiness. And and that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>very that's very interesting. So anyway, so mith Raism was

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<v Speaker 2>very popular amongst Romans at the time, especially around the

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<v Speaker 2>when the Christian religion was forming and Christ is dead

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<v Speaker 2>for some number of years now, and there's all these

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<v Speaker 2>different little cults and traditions around the time. The Christians

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<v Speaker 2>were so at risk of being massacred by the Roman

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<v Speaker 2>authorities because they were they were peeling their flesh off,

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<v Speaker 2>they were burning them, they were cutting their heads off.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the Romans were really killing them for like

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred years, like on site, it was a crime.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea.

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<v Speaker 2>They actually secretly worshiped underground in Mithraic caves.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, so so then is there like a

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<v Speaker 3>projected like like era of when Mithraism kind of emerged. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it was, so I'm assuming that that's got to mean

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<v Speaker 3>it was obviously before this was all happening, if there

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were around when Christ was already born. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the timeline I'm seeing here is that the the Mythraism

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred years before the times of Christ. So these

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<v Speaker 2>temples are not temples, they were caves. They were underground tombs,

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<v Speaker 2>catacombs and sepulchers. They were already there. The Christians were

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, just of mythrists. Stay safe, say, don't get murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Now if we back it up a little more and

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<v Speaker 2>talk a little more heavily about the origins of Mithraism

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<v Speaker 2>and where it truly came from. We had one of

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<v Speaker 2>Zarathustra in one thousand BC. Also what it translates to

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<v Speaker 2>mean radiant star. But then he changed his name to Zoroaster.

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<v Speaker 2>And so here's where it gets interesting. Okay, I'm cutting

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<v Speaker 2>forward a little head, a little ahead forward, damn it.

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<v Speaker 2>And so Zarathustra, the radiant Star man in one thousand BC,

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<v Speaker 2>he went into a cave. It's important to note that

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<v Speaker 2>he went into a cave and he had a mystical experience.

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<v Speaker 2>He saw God. He saw this flash of light and

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<v Speaker 2>it spoke to him and it said its name was

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<v Speaker 2>a horror Mazda or it was Ormuzed, and it came

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<v Speaker 2>to him and it basically said, and we have a

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<v Speaker 2>whole episode on Zoroaster, probably really early in the show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he's really really yeah, like probably

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<v Speaker 2>And it basically told him, you know. Now, granted, this

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<v Speaker 2>was an Iran previously known as Persia, so the language

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<v Speaker 2>was different, but it basically said it was like the

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<v Speaker 2>eternal God, the force of good throughout all the universe

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<v Speaker 2>and basically in a nutshell, skipping over a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>the Zoroastrian doctrine, which a lot of Christianity took from this,

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<v Speaker 2>or rather you know, Judaism took from this, and it

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<v Speaker 2>was molded by this, you know, especially considering it was

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<v Speaker 2>the Persian king Cyrus who freed the Jews from captivity

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<v Speaker 2>in Babylon, So you have to consider, like there are

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<v Speaker 2>real historical moments in time where the Persians and the

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<v Speaker 2>Jews were friends and they were working together and they

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<v Speaker 2>in history where there was a transmission of their cultures.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So anyway, he goes into a cave and it says,

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<v Speaker 2>behold Amahara Mazda in order to basically go to heaven.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna boil it down. Basically, to go to heaven,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to have good thoughts, good words, and good deeds.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to be pure of heart, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>have a good spirit. But there is a dark spirit,

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<v Speaker 2>Angriminu or Araman. It's the evil reflection, and there's this

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<v Speaker 2>eternal cosmic war of you know, this dark shadow versus me,

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<v Speaker 2>the God of light and goodness and truth and salvation.

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<v Speaker 2>And basically it boils down to in Zoroastrian thought, there

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<v Speaker 2>came a point in time throughout the universe where Araman

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<v Speaker 2>trying to poison it. So like, basically what they're saying

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<v Speaker 2>is human nature has Angrimannu, the Light God, the highest good,

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<v Speaker 2>and it has Araman whispering, you know, evil demonic things

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<v Speaker 2>in our ear. We have both light and dark inside

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<v Speaker 2>of us. So we have to align ourselves with the light,

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<v Speaker 2>with Angriminu through good thoughts, good words.

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<v Speaker 3>The light. Yeah, okay, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the bad one's on grimnded right, Yeah, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to align with the Horrmanzda. Yeah, we have to align

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<v Speaker 2>with the good the light through good thoughts, good words,

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<v Speaker 2>good deeds, or the dark force will steal us away,

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<v Speaker 2>it'll destroy us. So somewhere along the lines of Zoroastrianism

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<v Speaker 2>over a thousand years between one thousand BC to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the time of Christ and the you know, the height

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<v Speaker 2>of Mithraism. Over time, the Zoroastrian writers and priests added more,

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<v Speaker 2>they added more texts, and at some point there became

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<v Speaker 2>this other figure known as Mithra, which is a flame.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like this fire, and it's kind of like their

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<v Speaker 2>version of Christ. Mythra or Mithras is like the intercessor

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<v Speaker 2>between man and.

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<v Speaker 3>The like like the Holy Spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or Jesus, Yeah yeah, born of a virgin. He

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<v Speaker 2>is born of a virgin December twenty fifth. He is

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<v Speaker 2>crucified or not I think it's crucified, but he's killed

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<v Speaker 2>and he's resurrected after three days. He's the savior of mankind.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a shepherd with the crook and the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like the stick, like Jesus. He's a shepherd. He's virtually

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<v Speaker 2>identical to Jesus. But here's the thing, the thing that

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<v Speaker 2>I want the listener to remember. So a thousand years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>this system from zoro aster is created, and there's a

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<v Speaker 2>prophecy that says there will be a star in the east.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, we did just talk about this on

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<v Speaker 2>the Revelations episode, which is why I was like Mithraism.

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<v Speaker 2>So a thousand years later, the Magi come around and

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<v Speaker 2>they're like, oh my god, there's a star in the east.

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<v Speaker 2>They're telling King Herod, like the prophecy the Christ is born, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Savior is born, Like he's here. We gotta follow

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<v Speaker 2>the star. And King Herod's like, great, we're gonna kill

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<v Speaker 2>every child in Israel. We're gonna kill literally every child

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel. So the three Magi they follow the star

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, you need to get out of here.

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<v Speaker 2>You need to go to Egypt, you know, So they

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<v Speaker 2>escape to Egypt. But anyway, I wanted to just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of briefly touch on the notion that they're sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like a trinity between Mithraism, Zoroastrianism, and Christianity. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a very strong connection between these systems. The doctrines are

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<v Speaker 2>virtually the same, the story and system of the deity

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<v Speaker 2>is the same, and I wanted to get that out

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<v Speaker 2>of the way. So now, more specifically, on Mythraism. It

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<v Speaker 2>obviously likely comes from Zoroastrianism. Mithra is associated with contracts,

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<v Speaker 2>the light, truth, goodness, the intercessor between man and Ahuramazda.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously, because Alexander the Great conquered the Hellenistic world

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<v Speaker 2>in or you know, took the Hellenistic world and conquered

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Egypt and all these different surrounding nations, there

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<v Speaker 2>was this transmission of Hellenistic thoughts spreading throughout Israel. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you have the New Testaments written in Greek, the Greek

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<v Speaker 2>magical purpyrie are spreading everywhere and all this. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>this blending of Greek and Roman beliefs. So somehow or another,

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<v Speaker 2>around the time of Christ, you have this Persian Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>story of Mithra and and her Amazda, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you go to Rome and it's like all the Romans

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<v Speaker 2>are down with it, you know, That's what I'm getting at.

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<v Speaker 2>The Romans are just like.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, Mithraism kind of emerged out of the same place

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<v Speaker 3>as Zoroastrianism too, like Persian Persia Iran it's roots, yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But it ended up like being really popular in Rome, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Fun fact, there's at least one Roman emperor who was

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<v Speaker 2>initiated into the mysteries of Mythrust fully gone through the process.

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<v Speaker 3>That's wild. Yeah, it was, that's heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>It was super popular amongst the Roman elite. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the whole point. Like, you know, Alexander the Great comes around,

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<v Speaker 2>he starts just dominating, and then you know, this Greek

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<v Speaker 2>and Roman thought starts just blowing up in this ancient world.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know the next thing, you know, the Romans

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<v Speaker 2>are like they they have cults of Isis. Yeah, they

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<v Speaker 2>they eventually they take over. They're like, you know, I know,

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<v Speaker 2>we like slaughtered Christ, but actually you know, and then

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<v Speaker 2>they created the pope and they're like, I'm the god

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<v Speaker 2>the Romans did him.

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<v Speaker 3>And they liked to party, party.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's just crazy when you think about it, like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, no no doubt. But yeah, so it becomes

418
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<v Speaker 2>established in the Roman Empire. Talking back to Mithraism, it's

419
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:32.039
<v Speaker 2>established as like this very mysterious, high society Roman elite thing,

420
00:23:32.359 --> 00:23:38.119
<v Speaker 2>especially among soldiers merchants. His imagery begins to morph talking

421
00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.359
<v Speaker 2>about Mythra or Mythrust the deity, showing him as this

422
00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:47.039
<v Speaker 2>heroic uh new like icon where he's slaying a bull.

423
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:49.079
<v Speaker 2>There's this image of his sword in a bull's throat.

424
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:52.240
<v Speaker 2>There's this dog like drinking the dripping blood of the bull.

425
00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.359
<v Speaker 2>There's a scorpion latched onto the bowl. There's all this

426
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.559
<v Speaker 2>like symbolic stuff that we'll get into a little bit later.

427
00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.119
<v Speaker 2>It is a mystery religion, so its rights and teachings

428
00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.039
<v Speaker 2>are kept secret from the outside, so there's virtually no

429
00:24:04.200 --> 00:24:07.960
<v Speaker 2>surviving written material about what they believed, their actual doctrine,

430
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:12.960
<v Speaker 2>their practices, whatever. And then obviously all of their places

431
00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Speaker 2>of worship are temples that are built underground in caves,

432
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:21.720
<v Speaker 2>sepulchers and tombs. Interesting that Zoroaster went into a cave

433
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:28.279
<v Speaker 2>and he found God Mithraic and Christianity in its early

434
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.359
<v Speaker 2>days were underground and caves. Now, what we haven't talked

435
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:33.200
<v Speaker 2>about yet or ever on the show is there is

436
00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:40.559
<v Speaker 2>actually a very strong, second, very highly probable, real version

437
00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:43.400
<v Speaker 2>of Jesus' birth which places him as being born in

438
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<v Speaker 2>a cave.

439
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<v Speaker 3>What do you talk what is that?

440
00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:49.759
<v Speaker 2>So? I have this friend named doctor George Ervos, who

441
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<v Speaker 2>is a professor at U and CW, and he is

442
00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:56.279
<v Speaker 2>actually one of the professors. I mean, I'm sure there's

443
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<v Speaker 2>a small handful throughout the world who have this level

444
00:24:58.759 --> 00:25:07.240
<v Speaker 2>of access and credential. He actually has been permitted to

445
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:11.920
<v Speaker 2>study like original Dead Sea scrolls, manuscripts and Nagamadi texts,

446
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:16.000
<v Speaker 2>like like literally like ancient papyrae, and there's this old

447
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:19.640
<v Speaker 2>scroll called the the proto Vangelium of James the Brother

448
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.000
<v Speaker 2>of Jesus. It's like a real ancient scroll, like he

449
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:25.359
<v Speaker 2>showed my dad, Like he he has all these like

450
00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:29.000
<v Speaker 2>xerox pds from this papyrae, and he has this like

451
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.119
<v Speaker 2>massive two volume book that took him years to write,

452
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.440
<v Speaker 2>where basically he goes through and he shows you he

453
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:39.119
<v Speaker 2>went through all these different ancient manuscripts and like had

454
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:43.400
<v Speaker 2>him earmarked like yeah, hundreds, if not thousands of references

455
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:46.319
<v Speaker 2>of Jesus being born in a cave and in the

456
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:51.240
<v Speaker 2>protovin Jellium of James the Brother of Jesus. It talks

457
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:56.079
<v Speaker 2>about you know, basically Mary is uh, she's you know,

458
00:25:56.160 --> 00:26:00.559
<v Speaker 2>she's going through she's late in her pregnancy, she's on

459
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.480
<v Speaker 2>her way to Jerusalem or Bethlehem or whatever. As the

460
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.279
<v Speaker 2>story goes, they make it to mile marker three, you're

461
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:09.319
<v Speaker 2>like mile marker three. What the heck? Well, you know

462
00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.640
<v Speaker 2>we use the Roman imperial system right in America. Yeah, uh,

463
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.599
<v Speaker 2>they had mile markers and you know Rome built all

464
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:18.839
<v Speaker 2>those roads, like they had elaborate mile marking systems between

465
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>towns measuring. They had actual literal mile markers between all

466
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:23.400
<v Speaker 2>the cities.

467
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:26.640
<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't think, I like that would exist in ancient times.

468
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:29.079
<v Speaker 2>It's like what And in this ancient two thousand year

469
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:31.279
<v Speaker 2>old manuscript, it says that they stop at a cave

470
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:37.160
<v Speaker 2>at mile marker three. She goes into the cave. Boof

471
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:39.440
<v Speaker 2>out pops Jesus in a flash of light and he's

472
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:42.039
<v Speaker 2>walking around and he's like five years old. Oh he's

473
00:26:42.319 --> 00:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>talking and he's it's it's a real like ancient gospel.

474
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:49.680
<v Speaker 2>What And that's just one example of the idea of

475
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Jesus being born in the cave.

476
00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, it's crazy. No manger, no nativity. Well,

477
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:58.759
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's that's a that's a possibility, sure. But

478
00:26:58.799 --> 00:27:00.799
<v Speaker 3>the fact that, like you've all always heard, it's like

479
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:05.480
<v Speaker 3>some some stable and like a manger and like all

480
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:09.279
<v Speaker 3>this stuff is, but it being a cave would would

481
00:27:09.279 --> 00:27:13.400
<v Speaker 3>match up with a lot of other like Savior kind

482
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:16.279
<v Speaker 3>of sense origin. Yeah, that's really wild.

483
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:18.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's not the only thing popped out in

484
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.079
<v Speaker 2>these five years old What the hell he's talking? And

485
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:25.039
<v Speaker 2>yeah like that, it's called a dosetic appearance. In other words,

486
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.839
<v Speaker 2>there was a belief among some sex in the ancient

487
00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:33.240
<v Speaker 2>world that Jesus dosetic means like to supernaturally appear. Yeah, Hey,

488
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.759
<v Speaker 2>I'm here. Poof, Yeah, I'm here, poff, like I exist

489
00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:36.319
<v Speaker 2>here now.

490
00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 3>In a flash of light too. That's crazy.

491
00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:40.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, smoke filled the cave, flash of light, boom out,

492
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:44.799
<v Speaker 2>pops Jesus. That's just one example of an ancient text

493
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:48.240
<v Speaker 2>indicating that Jesus may have been born in a cave. Now,

494
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.680
<v Speaker 2>we have to consider of all four of the Gospels,

495
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.799
<v Speaker 2>which is a very small number that we have access to,

496
00:27:55.240 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 2>not even they agree about his birth. Only one of them,

497
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.160
<v Speaker 2>at most two of them even tell the major stories. Yeah,

498
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:04.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's either Matthew or Luke or both of.

499
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 3>Them, right. And if there's thousands, they don't even agree, no, Yeah,

500
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.319
<v Speaker 3>And if there's thousands of accounts of him being born

501
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 3>in a cave, like thousands of ear marks, like you said,

502
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:16.920
<v Speaker 3>like there were all it might have been hundreds. I'll

503
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.640
<v Speaker 3>have to double check, but it's a lot, even if

504
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.200
<v Speaker 3>it's dozens, even if it's one. Yeah, well yeah, it's

505
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.119
<v Speaker 3>still crazy. Yeah. The fact that we basically have two

506
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 3>books out of the Bible at most too, that mentioned

507
00:28:28.720 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 3>like oh yeah, it was like some like stable, you know,

508
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:35.319
<v Speaker 3>in a manger situation. It's like, okay, are we just

509
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:36.799
<v Speaker 3>going to take that on face?

510
00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:40.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, even that doesn't make sense because based on you know,

511
00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>the fact that his birthday is December twenty fifth, there's

512
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>no credibility to that, because historians and scholars agree that

513
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>based on that story, he was probably realistically born in

514
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>like I think it's early fall or late summer.

515
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:57.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I've always heard summer, like summer is of.

516
00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 2>Course they picked actually when they were Constantine.

517
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:03.720
<v Speaker 3>Picked, I was they chose December twenty fifth. Constantine did

518
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:06.839
<v Speaker 3>what was that meeting called? Didn't they call it something?

519
00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 2>It's I'm not sure about that specific, but maybe the

520
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Council of Naiah.

521
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 3>There's something yea yea, something like that. But yeah, they

522
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 3>just chose.

523
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>That, Yeah, because and Methris were born on December twenty fifth.

524
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and also didn't it wasn't it something about it

525
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:24.799
<v Speaker 3>aligned with some sort of the Winter Solstice. Well, yeah,

526
00:29:24.799 --> 00:29:28.279
<v Speaker 3>the Winter Solstice, but also like the Druidic there were,

527
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:31.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Druids obviously like I don't I wouldn't

528
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.720
<v Speaker 3>say worship, but they like revered the solstices, and I

529
00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 3>thought that there was some sort of Druidic holiday that

530
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.480
<v Speaker 3>took place on December twenty fifth, and they kind of

531
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:44.480
<v Speaker 3>wanted to mask over it with their own holiday.

532
00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:47.240
<v Speaker 2>We talked about that on the Spirit of Christmas episode. Yeah,

533
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:51.319
<v Speaker 2>and I think it was a Roman thing. Okay, I'm

534
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>not sure, but I do know that the Winter Solstice

535
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 2>starts on December twenty first.

536
00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:56.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's the darkest.

537
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Day of the year. Every year the sun goes into retrograde,

538
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:03.920
<v Speaker 2>it begins to to descend beneath the horizon or die right.

539
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>For three days it's in the underworld, and then on

540
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>December twenty fifth, it rises back up above the horizon

541
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>and it begins it's upward descent towards you know, the

542
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.559
<v Speaker 2>summer solstice. Yeah, so you have the story of the

543
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 2>dying Christ. It descends into the realms of the underworld

544
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 2>for three days and it's born again.

545
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

546
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that's just some deep stuff.

547
00:30:28.559 --> 00:30:31.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is, it is. Yeah. The point is that

548
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.799
<v Speaker 3>they just they chose that date and it just it's

549
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.519
<v Speaker 3>pretty eerie that it just happens to line up with

550
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 3>Mithraism and Zoroastrianism and it's yea, yeah, it's pretty compelling.

551
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:46.759
<v Speaker 2>It is. So there are seven initiation levels with their

552
00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 2>own rituals and symbolism will get a little bit more

553
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 2>into those later. As Christianity is becoming more dominant and

554
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.119
<v Speaker 2>is beginning to gain imperial or Roman support. In the

555
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.839
<v Speaker 2>three hundreds, the Roman officials start to supper myth Raism

556
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:03.359
<v Speaker 2>and all the other mystery systems. Right, so Constantine's Edict

557
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.880
<v Speaker 2>of Milan establishes religious tolerance. In other words, Constantine comes

558
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 2>in and he says, hey, it is no longer legal

559
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:12.960
<v Speaker 2>to kill Christians. They have the freedom to express their religion.

560
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>And then it was in like three hundred and eighty three,

561
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.319
<v Speaker 2>I believe, or maybe it was three eighty one when

562
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.400
<v Speaker 2>Emperor Theodosius comes in and he was like, okay, we

563
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:25.799
<v Speaker 2>are officially Christians. This is our religion. Everybody, we are

564
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 2>Christian people. And he makes it the state thing, you know,

565
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:36.160
<v Speaker 2>mandated for real, he does. So they begin once they

566
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.279
<v Speaker 2>officially become Christian, they start to ban all the other practices,

567
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:44.000
<v Speaker 2>and that starts the process of destroying mythraic temples.

568
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, So that's all sorts of temples.

569
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Right, But that's what I'm saying. There's not much that

570
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 2>has survived about Mithraism like at all. It all got

571
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.720
<v Speaker 2>burned away and destroyed pretty much. By the early fifth century,

572
00:31:55.839 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 2>it mostly disappears. The temples are all basically destroyed. The

573
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.559
<v Speaker 2>practic this is fade. Christianity is now becoming the dominant

574
00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:05.799
<v Speaker 2>thing across the Roman Empire. This kind of feels like, uh,

575
00:32:06.279 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>this kind of feels like Star Wars, doesn't it when

576
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:11.759
<v Speaker 2>like it does Order sixty six. Yeah, it kind of

577
00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 2>feels like that a little bit. And then there's like

578
00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:16.359
<v Speaker 2>forty years of I don't.

579
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 3>Think I ever like made that connection. That's a good.

580
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 2>The old way is like snuffed out.

581
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.279
<v Speaker 3>Dude. Oh my god, they're called the empire. Oh my god,

582
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, what the hell?

583
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Well, dude, he's based it off all this.

584
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm just like the connection is happening in my

585
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:35.319
<v Speaker 3>brain right now, Like, yeah, that Order sixty six is Jedi.

586
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.680
<v Speaker 2>Or like the old you know, the old tradition.

587
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 3>Isn't the legend that it was like Friday the thirteenth

588
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:41.000
<v Speaker 3>or whatever.

589
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:41.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the templars.

590
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:44.240
<v Speaker 3>Oh I thought this all happened at the same time.

591
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:47.359
<v Speaker 2>No, No, templars were in the thirteen hundred. Oh right,

592
00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:49.880
<v Speaker 2>right right, But it's connected to this, Yeah, it's just

593
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.400
<v Speaker 2>a thousand years later, dude.

594
00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:54.039
<v Speaker 3>That's crazy. It is like Order sixty six.

595
00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, damn. And I didn't think about it in that

596
00:32:57.880 --> 00:33:01.000
<v Speaker 2>context either, you know, like specifically about this, but I mean,

597
00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:03.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, the shoe fits. Yeah, it is kind of

598
00:33:03.359 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 2>like that, Like the Empire came in and snuffed everything out,

599
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>and they're burning down all these libraries in Egypt and

600
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.359
<v Speaker 2>in the Middle East, and they.

601
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:13.319
<v Speaker 3>Destroyed the freaking Jedi library.

602
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Bro.

603
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for real, they did. They actually did. And then

604
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries there were some archaeological

605
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:25.319
<v Speaker 2>digs where they found some like temples with inscriptions on

606
00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:26.880
<v Speaker 2>the wall. And that's what I was talking about in

607
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.039
<v Speaker 2>the Revelations episode. I know you probably don't remember, because

608
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, we say a lot, but I was saying

609
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:33.359
<v Speaker 2>that the only surviving thing we have really about them

610
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 2>is archaeological stuff where people go into tombs underground and

611
00:33:36.880 --> 00:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>there's these like star charts on these bulls with the

612
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>depiction of Mithras slaying the bull, which it could be

613
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>interpreted if you think about it. I might get my

614
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>timeline messed up here, but I want to say, maybe

615
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:52.759
<v Speaker 2>you could look this up for me, Alex. Was it

616
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>the age of Taurus before the Age of Pisces or

617
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.240
<v Speaker 2>was it the age of Aries. That's important to know

618
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.480
<v Speaker 2>because in the time of Moses and the other prophets

619
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>leading up to Jesus there was this whole worship of

620
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 2>the golden calf. It was, uh, you know, anything pop up,

621
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:11.880
<v Speaker 2>just like.

622
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:14.440
<v Speaker 3>All that bowl symbolism.

623
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.639
<v Speaker 5>The Age of Taurists began around forty three hundred BCE,

624
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<v Speaker 5>and the Age of Pisces begin around one CE.

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<v Speaker 2>So what was there anything in between? Aries?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe let me see, Yeah, I guess, just look up

627
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<v Speaker 3>like when the age of Aries was Well, I mean, what,

628
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<v Speaker 3>what's the order of the zodiac?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, me either, I really don't know. I don't either.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh, yeah, you're right. Aris is in between beginning at

633
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<v Speaker 5>twenty one fifty BCE and ended in one CE. So

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<v Speaker 5>it was Aries then Pisces.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well that throws a wrench in what I was

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<v Speaker 2>about to say. But there's an interpretation that the symbol

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<v Speaker 2>of Mithrist slaying the bull symbolizes like and you know,

638
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<v Speaker 2>like how the lady came to and she was like,

639
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm the divine feminine. You know everything she said, you know,

640
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<v Speaker 2>I've already said it before, and she says basically that

641
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<v Speaker 2>when the feminine comes back into balance, will be in peace.

642
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<v Speaker 2>That there's like kind of an evil masculine warlike energy

643
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<v Speaker 2>dominating the planet that we're suffering because those divine forces

644
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:26.559
<v Speaker 2>are out of balance. There's a theory that Mythrist slaying

645
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<v Speaker 2>the bull symbolizes the like in an archetype of way,

646
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<v Speaker 2>the slaying of the warlike aggressive animal, lower nature of consciousness,

647
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<v Speaker 2>which is you know, war like violent whatever whatever whatever.

648
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<v Speaker 2>It's like the subduing of those forces.

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<v Speaker 3>Huh yeah. And I mean like popularly, Aris and Taurists

650
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<v Speaker 3>are both considered like masculine energy signs. Like I mean

651
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.440
<v Speaker 3>especially you just think about like Aris, you know, the

652
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:04.559
<v Speaker 3>god of war. Right, we're going from that era to Pisces,

653
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.559
<v Speaker 3>like and also are.

654
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<v Speaker 2>Now we're going to the water bearer.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, yeah, that's cool.

656
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, it's like, it's not to say if

657
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<v Speaker 2>we have mostly men listening to the show, it's not

658
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<v Speaker 2>to say anything like that. It's just to say that

659
00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.760
<v Speaker 2>there has to be balance in all things. We can't

660
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<v Speaker 2>deny that there isn't war fucking ravage in the world

661
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<v Speaker 2>right now, and hasn't been for two thousand years. It's

662
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<v Speaker 2>just a fact, you know that. That's that's all I'm saying.

663
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<v Speaker 2>You know, like, it's just it's it's got to come

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<v Speaker 2>to an end. Come on, people, come on, get it together.

665
00:36:36.760 --> 00:36:41.320
<v Speaker 2>So myth rate doctrine, all right, dude, get it together,

666
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:49.679
<v Speaker 2>the warmongers, the warriors. So the doctrine of mythraism, right,

667
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<v Speaker 2>according this is from the secret teachings of all ages.

668
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<v Speaker 2>According to the Persians, there coexisted in eternity to principles.

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<v Speaker 2>The first of these, a horror Ada or or MusD,

670
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<v Speaker 2>was the spirit of good. From Ormuzd came forth a

671
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<v Speaker 2>number of hierarchies of good and beautiful spirits, our angels

672
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 2>and archangels. The second of these eternally existing principles was

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00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:17.280
<v Speaker 2>called Ariman. He was also a pure and beautiful spirit

674
00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:21.480
<v Speaker 2>like Lucifer, but he later rebelled against Ormusd, being jealous

675
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 2>of his power. Rather, shit's one thousand years older.

676
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just saying straight up the same story.

677
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<v Speaker 2>This did not occur, however, until after Ormuzd had created light.

678
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<v Speaker 2>For previously, Ariman had not been conscious of the existence

679
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<v Speaker 2>of Ormuzd. Let me read that again, because that one

680
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<v Speaker 2>kind of did a little glitch in my brain. This

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<v Speaker 2>did not occur, however until after Ormusd had created light.

682
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<v Speaker 2>For previously, Ahriman had not been conscious of the existence

683
00:37:48.920 --> 00:37:51.320
<v Speaker 2>of ormust. Okay, you know what in the Gnostic episode,

684
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.719
<v Speaker 2>that reminds me of the demiurge being born and not

685
00:37:53.760 --> 00:37:57.360
<v Speaker 2>being aware of the god above him. Very interesting, very

686
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>interesting connection. Because of his jealousy in rebellion, Ariman became

687
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 2>the spirit of evil from himself. He individualized a host

688
00:38:05.719 --> 00:38:10.679
<v Speaker 2>of destructive creatures to injure or MusD. When Ormusd or

689
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:15.519
<v Speaker 2>we could say Ahuramazda created the earth, Araman entered into

690
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:24.519
<v Speaker 2>its grosser elements. Grosser meaning like subtle, like oh yeah, yeah, fine, yeah,

691
00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:28.239
<v Speaker 2>like the crude elements, the you know, earth, the material.

692
00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:33.199
<v Speaker 2>Whenever ORMUSD did a good deed, Ariman placed the principle

693
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 2>of evil within it. At last, when Ormust created the

694
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 2>human race, Ariman became incarnate in the lower nature of man,

695
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:45.079
<v Speaker 2>so that in each personality, the spirit of good in

696
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:49.519
<v Speaker 2>the spirit of evil struggle for control. For three thousand years,

697
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Ormusd ruled the celestial worlds with light and goodness. Then

698
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 2>he created man. For another three hundred years, he ruled

699
00:38:56.519 --> 00:38:59.239
<v Speaker 2>man with wisdom and integrity. Then the power of Ariman

700
00:38:59.360 --> 00:39:01.639
<v Speaker 2>began in the s struggle for soul of man continues

701
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.320
<v Speaker 2>through the next period of three thousand years. During the

702
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>fourth period of three thousand years, the power of Ariman

703
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.039
<v Speaker 2>will be destroyed. Good will return to the world again,

704
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.239
<v Speaker 2>and evil and death will be vanquished. And at last,

705
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>the spirit of evil will bow humbly before the throne

706
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 2>of Ormuzd. While Ormuzd and Ariman are struggling for control

707
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>of the human soul and for supremacy in nature, Mythris,

708
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.360
<v Speaker 2>the god of intelligence, stands as mediator between the two.

709
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Many authors have noted the similarity between mercury and Mythrs,

710
00:39:33.840 --> 00:39:37.639
<v Speaker 2>as the chemical mercury acts as a solvent according to alchemists,

711
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 2>so Mythris seeks to harmonize the two celest opposites. So

712
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>there's something really interesting to note here. They just gave

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00:39:45.360 --> 00:39:48.639
<v Speaker 2>us a period of twelve thousand years. Now there is

714
00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:51.760
<v Speaker 2>an idea that society might be only about twelve thousand

715
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.840
<v Speaker 2>years old. And they said in that last three thousand

716
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.320
<v Speaker 2>year cycle that the power of Ariman would be destroyed

717
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and then peace would rain eternal.

718
00:39:58.880 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Right.

719
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>That's very interesting because if you go by the fact

720
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<v Speaker 2>that zoroastronism began literally three thousand years ago, you could

721
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>argue that we are now at the end of that

722
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:11.119
<v Speaker 2>final three thousand year period.

723
00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 6>Oh wow.

724
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:17.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And it's also fascinating that you said that the

725
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:23.639
<v Speaker 3>Age of Taurus was like four thousand SCNBC, right, and

726
00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 3>then was the Age of Aries, right, and then after

727
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.039
<v Speaker 3>that the Age of Pisces, which the end of the

728
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 3>Age of Aries would have been the birth of Christ

729
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.760
<v Speaker 3>towards the end, and then it's ushering in the Age

730
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:43.280
<v Speaker 3>of Pisces. So it's kind of interesting. The bull Taurus

731
00:40:43.679 --> 00:40:49.039
<v Speaker 3>is being slain by Mithra. The period of time when

732
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 3>Jesus was born was that Aris period, so it's like

733
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.480
<v Speaker 3>that era that age killed, the Age of the Bull

734
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 3>and ushered in the Age of Pieces. That's pretty wild

735
00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:04.880
<v Speaker 3>symbolically that it matches up that way. Yeah, that at

736
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.519
<v Speaker 3>the end of that Age of Aries is when Christ

737
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 3>came or Mithra right and ushered in the like killed

738
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.079
<v Speaker 3>the age of the Bull and ushered in the Age

739
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:16.519
<v Speaker 3>of Pieces. That's kind of wild.

740
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is interesting, Like I didn't.

741
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Think about it. It's in the middle.

742
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.599
<v Speaker 2>Because mith Raism would have began in the period following

743
00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:26.519
<v Speaker 2>the period it would have begun in Aries.

744
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:28.400
<v Speaker 3>That's yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

745
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.960
<v Speaker 2>And it like it. It had the end of its

746
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:33.159
<v Speaker 2>reign at the end of Aries, you know, it started

747
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>getting stuffed out and then Jesus was born. But yeah,

748
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:35.960
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even think about that.

749
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like that's what That's how the symbology is mapping

750
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 3>out in my brain. At least I'm picturing obviously the

751
00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.360
<v Speaker 3>age of Taurus as the bull. The Age of Aries

752
00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:50.000
<v Speaker 3>is Mithra like the birth of Mithra, and and then

753
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.840
<v Speaker 3>it is it is killing that age and going into

754
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 3>the next stage. It immediately follows with the Age of

755
00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Pieces like one ce literally one is when Pissi starts. Yeah,

756
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:05.880
<v Speaker 3>immediately after you know what, thirty years after the birth

757
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 3>of Christ slash mythro.

758
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:10.679
<v Speaker 2>It's also interesting to think though that we have all this,

759
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, talk about Age of Aquarius coming up, and

760
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 2>all these different you know, you have revelations, you have

761
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Hopee prophecy, all these different systems, the Hindu star chart

762
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about the Cali Yuga, you know, maybe ending in

763
00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:26.679
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. And then you have this where literally

764
00:42:26.760 --> 00:42:30.639
<v Speaker 2>three thousand years ago that Persian prophet Zoroaster gave this

765
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:33.719
<v Speaker 2>prophecy and put it out there that there are four

766
00:42:33.840 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 2>three thousand year periods and after the end of the fourth,

767
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.360
<v Speaker 2>during the fourth period of three thousand years which is now, Yeah,

768
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 2>the dark force, the power of Ariman, will be destroyed

769
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:46.639
<v Speaker 2>and good will return to the world again. So it's

770
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.280
<v Speaker 2>just another like notch on the wall of like things

771
00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 2>adding up to prophecy unfolding and like a golden age coming.

772
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't like to think about it as you know,

773
00:42:57.960 --> 00:42:59.920
<v Speaker 2>bad times ahead. No no, no, no, it's good times I had.

774
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:03.639
<v Speaker 2>It's the Golden age. Yeah, yeah, but very interesting, also

775
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:07.480
<v Speaker 2>cool how they make the parallel between mythrus and mercury, you.

776
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 3>Know, yeah, solve it.

777
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Mercury is it's this. It's a mutable metal. It

778
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:14.880
<v Speaker 2>can be a liquid, it could be solid. It's it's

779
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:18.519
<v Speaker 2>it's quicksilver. Like, it can change forms depending on heat

780
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 2>and pressure applied to it. So we are like you know, mercury.

781
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.440
<v Speaker 2>It's it's the transformation of the soul with that heat

782
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.960
<v Speaker 2>with with with pressure applied, we can transmute.

783
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 3>It's based on what we apply to it. Yeah, the

784
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:34.920
<v Speaker 3>form that it takes, right, that's really cool.

785
00:43:35.239 --> 00:43:38.159
<v Speaker 2>So moving on. There are many points of resemblance between

786
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Christianity and the cults of Mythrus. One of the reasons

787
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:43.719
<v Speaker 2>for this probably is that the Persian mystics invaded Italy

788
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.639
<v Speaker 2>during the first century after Christ, and the early history

789
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of both cults was closely interwoven. The Encyclopedia Britannica makes

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00:43:50.960 --> 00:43:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the following statement concerning the Mithraic and Christian mysteries. The

791
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>fraternal and democratic spirit of the first communities and their

792
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.760
<v Speaker 2>humble origin. The identification of the object of adoration with

793
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 2>light in the sun, the legends of the shepherds with

794
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 2>their gifts and adoration, the flood in the arc, the

795
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>representation in art of the fiery chariot chariot, the drawing

796
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.039
<v Speaker 2>of water from the rock, the use of bell and

797
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.840
<v Speaker 2>candle holy water in the communion, the sanctification of Sunday

798
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and of the twenty fifth of December. The insistence on

799
00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.719
<v Speaker 2>mortal conduct, the emphasis placed on abstinence and self control,

800
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:26.519
<v Speaker 2>the doctrine of heaven and Hell, of primitive revelation, of

801
00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 2>the mediation of the logos emanating from the divine, the

802
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.760
<v Speaker 2>atoning sacrifice, the constant warfare between good and evil, and

803
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>the final triumph of the four I lost my spot

804
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.199
<v Speaker 2>for a second, the final triumph of the Former, the

805
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:41.119
<v Speaker 2>immortality of the soul, the last judgment, the resurrection of

806
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the flesh, and the fiery destruction of the universe. These

807
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 2>are some of the resemblances which, whether real or only apparent,

808
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>enabled Mithraism to prolong its resistance to Christianity. The rites

809
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:56.440
<v Speaker 2>of Mythrusts were performed in caves. Porphyry, in his Cave

810
00:44:56.480 --> 00:45:00.119
<v Speaker 2>of the Nymphs, states that Zarathustra or Zoroaster was the

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<v Speaker 2>first to consecrate a cave to the worship of God

812
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:05.599
<v Speaker 2>because a cavern was symbolic of the earth or the

813
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:09.679
<v Speaker 2>lower world of darkness. John P. Lundy and his Monumental

814
00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Christianity describes the cave of Mythrus's follows, but this cave

815
00:45:13.800 --> 00:45:17.280
<v Speaker 2>was adorned with the signs of the zodiac Cancer and Capricorn.

816
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>That is, I believe the summer and winter solstices and

817
00:45:20.400 --> 00:45:26.480
<v Speaker 2>equinox to the summer and winter solstices were chiefly conspicuous

818
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.719
<v Speaker 2>as the gates of souls descending into this life or

819
00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.000
<v Speaker 2>passing out of it in their ascent to the gods,

820
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.360
<v Speaker 2>Cancer being the gate of decent, and Capricorn of acent.

821
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.079
<v Speaker 2>These are the two avenues of the immortals, passing up

822
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and down from Earth to heaven and from heaven to earth.

823
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:46.880
<v Speaker 2>The most famous sculptures and reliefs of this proto proto

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00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:50.639
<v Speaker 2>tokos I guess that's a Greek word, shows mythrus kneeling

825
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.639
<v Speaker 2>upon the recumbent form of a great bull, into whose

826
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 2>throat he is driving his sword. The slaying of the

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<v Speaker 2>bulls signifies that the rays of the Sun, symbolized by

828
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:03.679
<v Speaker 2>the sword, release at the vernal equinox the vital essences

829
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:06.960
<v Speaker 2>of the earth. The blood of the bull, which pouring

830
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 2>from the wound made by the Sun god, fertilized the

831
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:14.079
<v Speaker 2>seeds of living things. Dogs were held sacred to the

832
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 2>cult of Mythris, being symbolic of sincerity and trustworthiness. The

833
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:22.039
<v Speaker 2>Mythraics used the serpent as an emblem of Ariman, the

834
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.079
<v Speaker 2>spirit of evil, and water rats were held sacred to him.

835
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 2>The bull is esoterically the constellation of Taurus. The serpent

836
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:34.760
<v Speaker 2>its opposite in the zodiac Scorpio. The sun is Mythris

837
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:38.719
<v Speaker 2>entering into the side of the bull, slays the celestial

838
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 2>creature and nourishes the universe with its blood. Remember, in

839
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:45.599
<v Speaker 2>the very beginning we talked about how there's this connection

840
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.760
<v Speaker 2>between all these other esoteric societies coming back from the

841
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:52.559
<v Speaker 2>times of Atlantis, who typically were known to create allegories

842
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 2>about the Sun, sun, god, solar force, solar deities. Right,

843
00:46:57.199 --> 00:47:00.679
<v Speaker 2>So they're saying here Mythris represents the Sun moving through

844
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:07.400
<v Speaker 2>the cosmos. So these are just a list of actual

845
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:11.920
<v Speaker 2>doctrines of Mithraism here. So you have cosmic dualism. Obviously,

846
00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.880
<v Speaker 2>there's this eternal good, eternal evil, light and darkness. This

847
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:19.840
<v Speaker 2>cosmic struggle manifests in our earthly life. The followers of

848
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:24.639
<v Speaker 2>mithra are seeking to align themselves with the forces of light. Right,

849
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Mithris is a savior. He grants immortality to his followers. Again,

850
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.800
<v Speaker 2>this is what they believe. Yeah, I'm not saying this literally,

851
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:34.079
<v Speaker 2>but slaying of the bull, also known as the Taraktini,

852
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:37.079
<v Speaker 2>was central to this belief, as the bull's death symbolizes

853
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:41.000
<v Speaker 2>the release of life giving energies that nourish the cosmos.

854
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Mithraism has a strict hierarchy. Initiates progressed through seven ranks

855
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 2>or grades, with symbolic meanings and associated rituals from the

856
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:53.840
<v Speaker 2>lowest to highest orders. They were Koraks or the raven, Nmphis,

857
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>the bridegroom, Miles, the soldier, Leo, the lion, Persees, the

858
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Persian Heliodromus, the sun Runner, and Potter or the Father.

859
00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 2>Initiation ceremonies included symbolic tests of courage and endurance. Remember

860
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.760
<v Speaker 2>what we talked about where they might you know, in Greek,

861
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 2>they might run through a labyrinth and someone's dressed as

862
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:18.280
<v Speaker 2>a minotaur. You know, if you're like Druid or you're

863
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:20.239
<v Speaker 2>in the Odentic mysteries, you might run out in the

864
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.679
<v Speaker 2>woods and you know you they might jump out at

865
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.800
<v Speaker 2>your dress like I don't know, like something something. But

866
00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:29.719
<v Speaker 2>people died. These were very dangerous.

867
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 3>That's dark.

868
00:48:32.079 --> 00:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>No, it was life and death to make it through

869
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 2>these initiations. It is kind of dark when you think

870
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:40.400
<v Speaker 2>about it, like it was serious, dude, Like people literally died,

871
00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 2>like only the worthy made it through the initiations. It

872
00:48:43.639 --> 00:48:44.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a college fraternity.

873
00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.760
<v Speaker 3>It was like, yeah, it's a whole different that's that's

874
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:49.039
<v Speaker 3>some hardcorez.

875
00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:49.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

876
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it was you didn't prove you're worthy.

877
00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.199
<v Speaker 2>It was like it's like literally like no, you had

878
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.360
<v Speaker 2>to be worthy to earn the secret doctrine. Yeah, like

879
00:48:58.440 --> 00:49:00.960
<v Speaker 2>life or death literally loosely sink ships.

880
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Bro.

881
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're lucky you made it through that initiation alive.

882
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like seriously, like people drowned, burned to death, like

883
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:15.559
<v Speaker 2>they would have like traps, Like, soy survived.

884
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:18.559
<v Speaker 3>Man, man, I'm glad they didn't stuff you and that coffin.

885
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for real, dead, you might not have made it.

886
00:49:21.920 --> 00:49:24.320
<v Speaker 2>I would have have. I might not have good, might

887
00:49:24.360 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 2>not have not at eighteen years old, no way. So

888
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.039
<v Speaker 2>I had a strong astrological component. Obviously, the bowl the

889
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:37.400
<v Speaker 2>taroctiny is like a star chart with the zodiac allegory.

890
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

891
00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Mythris's actions were believed to influence the movements of the

892
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:44.800
<v Speaker 2>celestial bodies. The seven rings corresponded to the seven classical

893
00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.800
<v Speaker 2>planets and the Taroctany scene may have represented the cosmic

894
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:53.199
<v Speaker 2>events tied to the seasonal cycles, like the vernal equinox

895
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and the solstice. They had a shared ritual meal, sometimes

896
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>compared very closely to the Christian Eucharist. It's an importan

897
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:05.639
<v Speaker 2>part of the Mithraic worship system. This meal likely involved

898
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:09.599
<v Speaker 2>bread and wine and symbolized communion with Mythris. Yeah, that's

899
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that's a little on the news. Well, dude, the same

900
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:13.000
<v Speaker 2>with Dionysus.

901
00:50:13.239 --> 00:50:16.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's just it's just wild that they all match

902
00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 3>up so exactly. This one is remarkably like identical.

903
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:26.559
<v Speaker 2>The crazy part is like Christians literally worshiped in their tombs.

904
00:50:26.440 --> 00:50:31.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in Mythraic tombs. Yeah, yeah, literally, and it's practically

905
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:36.679
<v Speaker 3>the same religion. Yeah, like there have been. There's almost

906
00:50:36.719 --> 00:50:39.760
<v Speaker 3>nothing that's different so far, like except the names and stuff.

907
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for real, even a lot of the symbology, like

908
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.840
<v Speaker 3>the fire and stuff, like like Jesus brought the Holy

909
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.320
<v Speaker 3>Spirit which is like described as fire, like the what

910
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:50.519
<v Speaker 3>do they call it?

911
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:55.320
<v Speaker 2>It's the Holy Spirit, the Pentecost Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Pentecost.

912
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.679
<v Speaker 3>Yes. Yeah.

913
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:01.599
<v Speaker 2>Obviously their rituals took place in underground temples or Mithraea,

914
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:05.679
<v Speaker 2>which symbolized the cave where Mythris performed the bull sacrifice.

915
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 2>The cave represented the cosmos and served as a space

916
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:11.480
<v Speaker 2>where initiates could meditate on the mysteries of creation and

917
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 2>cosmic order. Sun and light worship very closely associated with

918
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.039
<v Speaker 2>soul and Victus, which is the Roman son god who

919
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:21.840
<v Speaker 2>also has a birthday of December twenty fifth, which is

920
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:26.400
<v Speaker 2>who Emperor Constantine worshiped before he was a Christian, and

921
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:29.679
<v Speaker 2>he decreed Jesus' birthday would be the same as his soul.

922
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:34.119
<v Speaker 2>In Bictus the unconquered sun and was sometimes referred to

923
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 2>as the light of the world. Like Jesus, Mithrais believed

924
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 2>in the power of light to overcome darkness, and the

925
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:42.599
<v Speaker 2>Sun's movements were seen as symbolic of Mithris's own journey

926
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.320
<v Speaker 2>and struggles. So it's that astro theology, the story of

927
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 2>the cosmos is telling the story of the divine right,

928
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:50.920
<v Speaker 2>like the stars and the celestial bodies and the heavens

929
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 2>are showing us the story of God throughout the ages.

930
00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 2>That's astro theology. Mithraism likely promoted ethical conduct, courage, and battle.

931
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Many of its followers were soldiers, loyalty, camaraderie, and discipline

932
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:09.760
<v Speaker 2>were emphasized, aligning with Roman military virtuals virtues. If you

933
00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:13.360
<v Speaker 2>looked at depictions of Mythris, he often wore a Phrygian cap,

934
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:15.599
<v Speaker 2>which I'm gonna show you what that is if you're

935
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.880
<v Speaker 2>not familiar, but it symbolized liberty and freedom, and you'll

936
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>notice throughout the French Revolution they were Frigian caps symbolizing freedom.

937
00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and speaking of which, you know that there are

938
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:34.559
<v Speaker 3>a lot of theories that the Statue of Liberty is Mythris.

939
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:40.599
<v Speaker 2>I've heard Lucifer, I've heard Mythris, I've heard Ishtar, but

940
00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean the same thing.

941
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:43.920
<v Speaker 3>Really, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, same, same, all the same.

942
00:52:44.079 --> 00:52:46.480
<v Speaker 3>But it's just interesting you said freedom and liberty. I

943
00:52:46.559 --> 00:52:49.920
<v Speaker 3>was like, statue of liberty, it's I don't know, I

944
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:53.719
<v Speaker 3>saw a thing on it recently. Actually, oh my god,

945
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:58.679
<v Speaker 3>why am I blanket Sam Tripley with recent Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

946
00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:00.760
<v Speaker 3>that's wild. Look at that face kind of looks like

947
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:01.440
<v Speaker 3>statue of liberty.

948
00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it does. Actually you see the stars on his cape?

949
00:53:03.679 --> 00:53:04.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah.

950
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Driving the sword into the bull's throat and the dog

951
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:06.880
<v Speaker 2>is licking the blood.

952
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's funny. I recently saw a video He's got

953
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:11.159
<v Speaker 3>a free jing cap. Yeah. I saw a video of

954
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:14.440
<v Speaker 3>Sam Tripley talking about how the Statue of Liberty is

955
00:53:14.559 --> 00:53:17.960
<v Speaker 3>Mythris and they pulled that exact picture wow and showed it.

956
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.039
<v Speaker 3>I think he was on Rogan talking about it.

957
00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh cool. Yeah, he was just on Joe Rogan. Yeah,

958
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:24.000
<v Speaker 2>very cool.

959
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:26.719
<v Speaker 3>That was interesting and pretty wild that I just happened

960
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:29.440
<v Speaker 3>to see that this week before we did this episode.

961
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:31.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is because I haven't caught that one. That's

962
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:31.960
<v Speaker 2>really cool.

963
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Uh huh. Yeah.

964
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:33.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

965
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to breathe through some of their rituals

966
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:39.079
<v Speaker 2>and initiations, and then we're going to round out with

967
00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:44.599
<v Speaker 2>the parallels of Mithraism to other traditions, including Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism.

968
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 2>So initiation into the rights of Mythris, like initiation into

969
00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:55.920
<v Speaker 2>many other ancient schools of philosophy, apparently consisted of three

970
00:53:56.039 --> 00:54:01.039
<v Speaker 2>important degrees. Preparation for these degrees consisted of self purification,

971
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.480
<v Speaker 2>the building up of the intellectual powers, and the control

972
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:07.760
<v Speaker 2>of the animal nature. In the first degree, the candidate

973
00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.920
<v Speaker 2>was given a crown upon the point of a sword

974
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and instructed in the mysteries of Mithris' hidden power. Probably

975
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:17.599
<v Speaker 2>he was taught that the golden crown represented his own

976
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.639
<v Speaker 2>spiritual nature, which must be objectified and unfolded before he

977
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:27.440
<v Speaker 2>could truly glorify Mythris. For Mithris was his own soul,

978
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Speaker 2>standing as mediator between Ormuzd his spirit, and Ariman, his

979
00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>animal nature. So what Manly p. Hall is telling you

980
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:39.679
<v Speaker 2>here is like you are Christ, you are Orpheus, you

981
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 2>are thor or Odin or whatever.

982
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:43.760
<v Speaker 3>You are.

983
00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.639
<v Speaker 2>This divine being, and there are two natures of your soul.

984
00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:54.719
<v Speaker 2>It's God and the devil, or it's Ariman and hera Amazdo,

985
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.119
<v Speaker 2>or it's lucifer in Christ. And it's like you have

986
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.480
<v Speaker 2>the choice if you want live in heaven or hell,

987
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.280
<v Speaker 2>or if you want to be you know, aligned with

988
00:55:04.360 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 2>God and live a high vibrational life and as sind

989
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:08.559
<v Speaker 2>out of this earthly reality, or if you want to

990
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.920
<v Speaker 2>be trapped in your lower nature and aligned with the

991
00:55:11.960 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 2>negative vibration. Yeah, and that's just the right, yeah, like

992
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:19.320
<v Speaker 2>Plato's cave, right, yeah, which is another interesting parallel to

993
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:19.679
<v Speaker 2>the cave.

994
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.000
<v Speaker 3>All these caves. Dude, we got to go to a cave,

995
00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.039
<v Speaker 3>we do, dude, Let's go to a cave.

996
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.280
<v Speaker 2>I've been to the one in Uh. I've been to

997
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Limvil caverns.

998
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:31.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's beautiful, it's cool, gorgeous, Yeah, so beautiful.

999
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:33.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a story there that I thought was just really

1000
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:36.000
<v Speaker 2>mind blowing how they were in like the eighteen hundreds.

1001
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:37.880
<v Speaker 2>There were these two guys that were trapped in there

1002
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:38.480
<v Speaker 2>for weeks in.

1003
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:40.079
<v Speaker 3>The darkness inland story.

1004
00:55:40.159 --> 00:55:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know how they got out.

1005
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember.

1006
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.760
<v Speaker 2>They follow the trickling water, smart in the darkness.

1007
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 3>Let's go get lost in a cave.

1008
00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:51.000
<v Speaker 5>No, just for the just for the listener. I have

1009
00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:53.519
<v Speaker 5>been in there. It's so dark. They tell you to

1010
00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:55.079
<v Speaker 5>put your hand in front of your face and then

1011
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:57.360
<v Speaker 5>they turn the lights out and you cannot see your

1012
00:55:57.440 --> 00:55:59.400
<v Speaker 5>own hand inches from your face.

1013
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeaheah, it is. It's in a mountain.

1014
00:56:01.639 --> 00:56:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Black, complete and total darkness. No light gets in.

1015
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:06.679
<v Speaker 2>They were trapped in there for like days or weeks,

1016
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:09.559
<v Speaker 2>and they followed it. We're talking eighteen hundred. The fish

1017
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:12.840
<v Speaker 2>in the water can't see because they don't need to. Yeah,

1018
00:56:12.840 --> 00:56:15.159
<v Speaker 2>you would go insand if, like, if you got lost

1019
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:17.719
<v Speaker 2>in there, you would. I think you can pay for

1020
00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:20.440
<v Speaker 2>the experience to go in there and experience the blackout darkness.

1021
00:56:20.480 --> 00:56:21.119
<v Speaker 2>I didn't do that.

1022
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.599
<v Speaker 5>It's part of the tour, really, Yeah, for free, they

1023
00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:25.320
<v Speaker 5>turn the lights off for like ten seconds.

1024
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:27.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't think my tour did that. I didn't get

1025
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 2>total dark.

1026
00:56:28.239 --> 00:56:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Why and those two guys just like pull out their iPhones.

1027
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Because it was eighteen hundreds they have I don't think so.

1028
00:56:35.320 --> 00:56:37.039
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't think it sounds like they're idiots

1029
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:37.280
<v Speaker 5>to me.

1030
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I think they had candles, and they had the little

1031
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:41.079
<v Speaker 2>thing I can't remember what you call it where you

1032
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:42.880
<v Speaker 2>put it on your eye and you pull the stick

1033
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.559
<v Speaker 2>in it like shows a different picture of like a boudoir.

1034
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, a headlamp.

1035
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. You know what

1036
00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:52.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about.

1037
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:54.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, you don't remember.

1038
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:54.800
<v Speaker 2>They had little peep shows.

1039
00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:56.159
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember those.

1040
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeahs, they had a little peep shows. Pulled a stack

1041
00:57:01.320 --> 00:57:04.199
<v Speaker 2>up girl, you don't have one?

1042
00:57:04.519 --> 00:57:06.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, No one ever asked him what they were doing

1043
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:07.840
<v Speaker 5>in there to get lost.

1044
00:57:11.800 --> 00:57:16.320
<v Speaker 3>I mean they're probably just playing. They're probably just the

1045
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:18.360
<v Speaker 3>role playing yeah Yellowstone style.

1046
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, dude. They're probably in their role playing

1047
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:29.719
<v Speaker 2>and just seeking for sek jesus. I'm they're searching or

1048
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:31.960
<v Speaker 2>they're seeking for Jesus. That's what I'm trying to must be,

1049
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:35.199
<v Speaker 2>must be a leap heer. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean

1050
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>you know that. I'm just gonna keep digging, keep digging.

1051
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:44.400
<v Speaker 2>They're seeking Jesus. That's what I was trying to say.

1052
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:45.400
<v Speaker 3>You did it. You got there.

1053
00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I finally got there.

1054
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:47.920
<v Speaker 3>Man. I'm proud of you.

1055
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Mithress was his own soul, standing as mediator between Ormost

1056
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.119
<v Speaker 2>and his spirit, and arm on his animal nature. In

1057
00:57:57.159 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 2>the second degree, he was given the armor of intelligence

1058
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 2>and purity and sent into the darkness of subterranean pits

1059
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:07.039
<v Speaker 2>to fight the beasts of lust, passion, and degeneracy. In

1060
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:09.679
<v Speaker 2>the third degree, he was given a cape upon which

1061
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:12.400
<v Speaker 2>were drawn or woven the signs of the zodiac and

1062
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:14.880
<v Speaker 2>other astronomical symbols. I just showed you that he had

1063
00:58:14.920 --> 00:58:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the cape with the stars. After his initiations were over,

1064
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he was hailed as one who had risen from the dead,

1065
00:58:20.840 --> 00:58:24.320
<v Speaker 2>was instructed in the secret teachings of the Persian mystics,

1066
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 2>and became a full fledged member of the order. Candidates

1067
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:32.400
<v Speaker 2>who successfully passed the Mithraic initiations were called lions and

1068
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.199
<v Speaker 2>were marked upon their foreheads with the Egyptian cross or

1069
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:39.639
<v Speaker 2>its a towel cross. Mithris himself is often pictured with

1070
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:41.679
<v Speaker 2>the head of a lion and two pairs of wings.

1071
00:58:41.920 --> 00:58:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Throughout the entire ritual were repeated references to the birth

1072
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:48.199
<v Speaker 2>of Mithris as the Sun God, his sacrifice for man,

1073
00:58:48.400 --> 00:58:51.440
<v Speaker 2>his death that men might have eternal life, and lastly,

1074
00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.519
<v Speaker 2>his resurrection and the saving of all humanity by his

1075
00:58:54.679 --> 00:59:00.039
<v Speaker 2>intercession before the throne of Ormust. I really think that

1076
00:59:01.119 --> 00:59:05.159
<v Speaker 2>the ancients, I'm talking the way ancients, like Atlantean times,

1077
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:09.880
<v Speaker 2>knew ahead of time that there was gonna be a

1078
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Speaker 2>shift in the cycle, and they put the word out

1079
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.480
<v Speaker 2>like at the end of the ages when things get

1080
00:59:16.559 --> 00:59:19.440
<v Speaker 2>really really bad, there is a savior. There's gonna be

1081
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:22.719
<v Speaker 2>this force that's gonna come and it has the power

1082
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:25.119
<v Speaker 2>to wake you up from ignorance, to bring you out

1083
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:29.119
<v Speaker 2>of that cave of darkness, to raise your spiritual abilities

1084
00:59:29.119 --> 00:59:31.719
<v Speaker 2>where you can subjugate your animal nature. And then when

1085
00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:34.599
<v Speaker 2>times get really tough, you know the light's gonna come

1086
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.880
<v Speaker 2>through and it's gonna flip a switch and you know

1087
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:40.440
<v Speaker 2>the world will be saved or whatever. I think that

1088
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 2>word was put out like longer than we can even

1089
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:47.880
<v Speaker 2>fathom for a time, and over time that story has

1090
00:59:48.239 --> 00:59:51.920
<v Speaker 2>been adopting different cultural faces.

1091
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.199
<v Speaker 5>Faces, Yeah, figures.

1092
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Like each each age has its own avatar that acts

1093
00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.400
<v Speaker 3>as the catalyst. Yeah, into the next day because it's

1094
01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.119
<v Speaker 3>the same story. Yeah, it's the cycle of good and evil.

1095
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:07.039
<v Speaker 2>It can't yeah exactly. Yeah, it came from somewhere. This

1096
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:08.679
<v Speaker 2>story came from somewhere.

1097
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it didn't just start out of nowhere. And it

1098
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:15.079
<v Speaker 3>seems to predate, like all everything, everything, you can keep

1099
01:00:15.119 --> 01:00:18.599
<v Speaker 3>digging back further and further and further. There is always

1100
01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:23.599
<v Speaker 3>some mystery tradition or some some religion that is talking

1101
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:26.039
<v Speaker 3>about this exact same cycle of light.

1102
01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.760
<v Speaker 2>Dude, Babylon had a version of this story, and Babylon

1103
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.599
<v Speaker 2>is like literally, you know.

1104
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:35.000
<v Speaker 3>The oldest that's as far back as we can.

1105
01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:38.719
<v Speaker 2>Right Mesopotamia, Like it's it's got to be this, It's

1106
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:41.119
<v Speaker 2>got to be. In my opinion, just thinking about like

1107
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.880
<v Speaker 2>the esoteric doctrine, I think it is a true story

1108
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:49.199
<v Speaker 2>that exists beyond time and space, and for the last

1109
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:52.320
<v Speaker 2>two thousand years we've had it pushed to us this

1110
01:00:52.440 --> 01:00:55.639
<v Speaker 2>one way, like when you lift the veil, you see

1111
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:58.599
<v Speaker 2>that like, oh wow, this has been told literally like

1112
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:01.000
<v Speaker 2>in every era in human history.

1113
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we only know the stuff that we've talked about

1114
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:08.920
<v Speaker 3>in this age, right, just this age, nothing else. That's

1115
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:12.039
<v Speaker 3>all that we know. But you dig back into these

1116
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:16.239
<v Speaker 3>older and older and older ages. It's written in the stars, right,

1117
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:18.800
<v Speaker 3>It's written in the star. It's like we could go

1118
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:23.760
<v Speaker 3>back to before humans were speaking, and it's it's in

1119
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:27.679
<v Speaker 3>the stars, dude. That's like, that's what astro theology is.

1120
01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:31.800
<v Speaker 3>It's it's like this story has been written before there

1121
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 3>even were humans.

1122
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 2>I suspect that this is, you know, like some sort

1123
01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:39.480
<v Speaker 2>of spiritual simulation. You know, we can say whatever terminology

1124
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:41.119
<v Speaker 2>we like. I don't mean like someone's sitting on a

1125
01:01:41.119 --> 01:01:44.360
<v Speaker 2>computer somewhere. But it's like, you know, a really spiritual, paranormal,

1126
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:49.239
<v Speaker 2>supernatural thing where our soul all that higher self shit.

1127
01:01:49.599 --> 01:01:49.760
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1128
01:01:49.880 --> 01:01:52.320
<v Speaker 2>We come here and we learn lessons, we grow, But

1129
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:56.239
<v Speaker 2>there is like this collective destiny of the whole simulation too,

1130
01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:59.519
<v Speaker 2>that spans you know, every twelve or twenty six thousand

1131
01:01:59.559 --> 01:02:01.880
<v Speaker 2>years or what. And I suspect that it's like an

1132
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:05.320
<v Speaker 2>eternal cycle that happens over and over and over and over,

1133
01:02:05.920 --> 01:02:09.079
<v Speaker 2>and this story survives each one, and it's like a

1134
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:13.559
<v Speaker 2>guidepost for each version or iteration of civilization. And that's

1135
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:16.800
<v Speaker 2>why it's manifesting in like literally every ancient culture in

1136
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:18.280
<v Speaker 2>the world. It's written in the pyramids.

1137
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 3>Bro. Yeah.

1138
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Literally. My dad has this friend named Robert Edward Grant.

1139
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:24.400
<v Speaker 2>He's a really smart guy. He has a show on guy.

1140
01:02:24.840 --> 01:02:26.800
<v Speaker 2>I can't remember what it's called, but it's like a

1141
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:30.840
<v Speaker 2>it's you could look him up Robert Edward Grant and

1142
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:33.199
<v Speaker 2>long story short, I talked about him briefly on an

1143
01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:35.280
<v Speaker 2>episode a few months ago. I think it was the

1144
01:02:35.280 --> 01:02:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Stargate episode actually, but I didn't have the full story.

1145
01:02:38.639 --> 01:02:40.559
<v Speaker 2>I told you a story about how he put the

1146
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Apple Vision pro on my dad's head at Contact in

1147
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the Desert. Well, I actually messed it up when we

1148
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.159
<v Speaker 2>did that episode. Here's what he really saw. He went

1149
01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:52.199
<v Speaker 2>into the Pyramids and he found there is a.

1150
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:54.440
<v Speaker 5>There's a.

1151
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it's like, dang, it's funny because I forgot

1152
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.440
<v Speaker 2>one part when I was telling that episode, and now

1153
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I forgot the part that I did tell in that episode.

1154
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:09.159
<v Speaker 2>But I remember now the part that I forgot, So

1155
01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:12.880
<v Speaker 2>so whatever I said in this Stargate episode, I think

1156
01:03:12.920 --> 01:03:16.079
<v Speaker 2>it was like there's a bowl or maybe it's the sphinx,

1157
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:18.760
<v Speaker 2>and there's this like ruby that's missing under the pall

1158
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:23.159
<v Speaker 2>of the sphinx. Yeah, I remember the Codex, probably Robert

1159
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:23.679
<v Speaker 2>Edward Grant.

1160
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:24.360
<v Speaker 5>I think that's it.

1161
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.360
<v Speaker 2>But there's an alpha and omega.

1162
01:03:28.119 --> 01:03:29.000
<v Speaker 3>In the pyramids.

1163
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in higher glyphs on the wall, there's an alpha

1164
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:35.239
<v Speaker 2>and an omega. Do you know what that means?

1165
01:03:35.280 --> 01:03:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Of course, the beginning, the.

1166
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:41.440
<v Speaker 2>Right beginning, and then it shows the U this ruby

1167
01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:44.000
<v Speaker 2>that's supposed to be under the paw of the sphinx. Yeah,

1168
01:03:44.039 --> 01:03:46.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's I think it's like, you know, he's he's

1169
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:48.480
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what is this ruby? What is

1170
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:50.920
<v Speaker 2>his ruby? And Dad's like, well, I think it's Regulus.

1171
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:52.920
<v Speaker 3>That's the star, the red Star.

1172
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:56.440
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I'm gonna get to that in a minute. But

1173
01:03:57.000 --> 01:03:59.239
<v Speaker 2>what I forgot to say, whatever I said about that

1174
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:03.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff on the Star episode, I was kicking myself from

1175
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.840
<v Speaker 2>the foot because I forgot to say the part about

1176
01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:10.119
<v Speaker 2>the alpha and omega in that. So if somebody could

1177
01:04:10.119 --> 01:04:12.119
<v Speaker 2>find the clip on the Starget episode where I'm talking

1178
01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.000
<v Speaker 2>about that very same thing, if you want to send

1179
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:16.559
<v Speaker 2>it to me later, they'd be great because then I

1180
01:04:16.679 --> 01:04:18.880
<v Speaker 2>could remember everything I said there but there was an

1181
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:22.719
<v Speaker 2>alpha and omega on that hieroglyph anyway, So now we're

1182
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:25.760
<v Speaker 2>going to get into the parallels of Mithraism to other traditions.

1183
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:33.159
<v Speaker 2>So the birth of Mithrus from Mend from Montfaucon's Antiquities,

1184
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Mithrius was born out of a rock which, breaking open,

1185
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:40.679
<v Speaker 2>permitted him to emerge, kind of like Wukong exactly. This

1186
01:04:40.719 --> 01:04:43.360
<v Speaker 2>occurred in the darkness of a subterranean chamber, so in

1187
01:04:43.400 --> 01:04:47.440
<v Speaker 2>a cave. The Church of Nativity at Bethlehem confirms the

1188
01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:50.519
<v Speaker 2>theory that Jesus was born in a grotto or a cave.

1189
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.079
<v Speaker 2>According to Dupuis, Mithris was put to death by crucifixion

1190
01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:58.199
<v Speaker 2>and rose again on the third day. Come interesting to note, Nick,

1191
01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:00.360
<v Speaker 2>I told you about my friend George who wrote book

1192
01:05:00.360 --> 01:05:02.079
<v Speaker 2>and only published it a few years ago, about the

1193
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:05.239
<v Speaker 2>Protovangelium of James, the brother of Jesus. This book was

1194
01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:07.599
<v Speaker 2>written in the nineteen twenties. I'm reading from the Secret

1195
01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Teachings of All Ages. Oh wow, and even Manly P.

1196
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Hall is reading other corroborating resources about the story of

1197
01:05:16.559 --> 01:05:19.559
<v Speaker 2>Jesus being born in a cave. Yeah, so it's just

1198
01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.039
<v Speaker 2>another version of you know, but they put him in

1199
01:05:22.039 --> 01:05:23.920
<v Speaker 2>a manger. They put him with the farm animals, and

1200
01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:26.440
<v Speaker 2>you know who knows. Yeah, I don't know why they

1201
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:29.559
<v Speaker 2>said that, but all that's important is that there are

1202
01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.159
<v Speaker 2>other iterations of his birth being in a cave. There's

1203
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.800
<v Speaker 2>other iterations of his death too. Some of the gospels

1204
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:35.519
<v Speaker 2>say he didn't even.

1205
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:38.159
<v Speaker 3>Die, he just escaped, Yeah, just ascended.

1206
01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or escaped and just kind of went on his way.

1207
01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:41.800
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1208
01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's like fifty different versions of Christ, and

1209
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:48.239
<v Speaker 2>the Roman officials gave us four. And then in the

1210
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:50.679
<v Speaker 2>nineteen fifties, these children were playing in the desert. They

1211
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:53.519
<v Speaker 2>smashed up in these clay pots on accident, and all

1212
01:05:53.519 --> 01:05:56.880
<v Speaker 2>these scrolls fell out, and literally, yeah, there's like fifty

1213
01:05:56.920 --> 01:05:59.800
<v Speaker 2>different versions of Jesus. And it's like, oh, my god,

1214
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:01.400
<v Speaker 2>you know which one is the real one?

1215
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:01.639
<v Speaker 1>Right?

1216
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:05.480
<v Speaker 2>And then people are like, well, the ones that the Romans.

1217
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:07.599
<v Speaker 3>Gave me why? You know why?

1218
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Because my pastor said, right exactly. My pastor said, you.

1219
01:06:10.840 --> 01:06:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Know, the Bible, dude.

1220
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:14.800
<v Speaker 2>When I was like eighteen, I asked my pastor about

1221
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:18.239
<v Speaker 2>the Book of Enoch. He said, I shouldn't have done that,

1222
01:06:18.920 --> 01:06:21.280
<v Speaker 2>he said, he said, the Book of Enoch came straight

1223
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:22.719
<v Speaker 2>out of the fires of the mouth of Hell.

1224
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:28.320
<v Speaker 3>That's so dramatic. It's like the fires of the mouth

1225
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:29.000
<v Speaker 3>or something like.

1226
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:31.239
<v Speaker 2>That, the flames of Hell spit it right out of

1227
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:33.480
<v Speaker 2>his mouth. And I was like, Okay, I mean that's.

1228
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:36.239
<v Speaker 3>What we're like, we're made to believe because it's like

1229
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:41.800
<v Speaker 3>the Gospel is pure and is wholly true, and anything

1230
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:44.599
<v Speaker 3>that you add to it is just from Hell.

1231
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like what my pay up?

1232
01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:52.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, pass around the damn whatever that shit is

1233
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 3>called that bucket where you put.

1234
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Your money in the tithe bucket, that one. What is

1235
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:59.559
<v Speaker 2>that thing called the money bucket? The money bucket?

1236
01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Dude. I went to a church. One of the last

1237
01:07:02.760 --> 01:07:05.079
<v Speaker 3>times I went to church. I went to my grandma's church,

1238
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:07.760
<v Speaker 3>and I swear to God, this is is so insane.

1239
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<v Speaker 3>They passed around two empty you know those giant containers

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01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:16.920
<v Speaker 3>that you buy cheeseballs in. They passed around two of those.

1241
01:07:17.000 --> 01:07:20.440
<v Speaker 3>And wait, it gets crazier. They made the men and

1242
01:07:20.599 --> 01:07:24.960
<v Speaker 3>women put money into different containers to yes.

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01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my church did that with the little kids. That's

1244
01:07:28.679 --> 01:07:30.679
<v Speaker 2>the little kids would go around and but it was

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01:07:30.719 --> 01:07:33.239
<v Speaker 2>like little kids and they would collect change in corners

1246
01:07:33.320 --> 01:07:35.239
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and then they would weigh it see if

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01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:36.320
<v Speaker 2>the boys or the girls.

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01:07:36.079 --> 01:07:37.239
<v Speaker 3>Collected, that's weird.

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01:07:37.280 --> 01:07:39.239
<v Speaker 2>It's different when it's kids though, it's kind of cute.

1250
01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:42.400
<v Speaker 2>But you know, when it's big cheeseball buckets and money,

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01:07:42.440 --> 01:07:46.719
<v Speaker 2>that's a different story. My church had like twenty people, right,

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01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:47.320
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean?

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01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:48.440
<v Speaker 5>Put the kids to work.

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01:07:48.639 --> 01:07:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, early, it started the year in put your ass

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01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:56.480
<v Speaker 2>out of bed. What was my grandpa?

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01:07:56.599 --> 01:07:56.800
<v Speaker 5>Dude?

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01:07:56.800 --> 01:07:59.159
<v Speaker 2>One time, it was like on my fourteenth birthday too,

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01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.440
<v Speaker 2>or somewhere I know. It was the weekend of my

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01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:04.679
<v Speaker 2>fourteenth birthday. My grandpa walks in my room at like

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01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:07.840
<v Speaker 2>nine am on a Saturday. He said, get your lazy

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01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:09.599
<v Speaker 2>ass out of bed and cut the yard.

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01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:11.079
<v Speaker 3>Boy. Oh my god.

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01:08:16.039 --> 01:08:18.880
<v Speaker 2>So you met my grandpa many times, dude. He was

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01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:21.520
<v Speaker 2>he was like six five and he was like four

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01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:26.119
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty. Can you imagine the terror waking up

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01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:29.720
<v Speaker 2>to him in your room yelling at you, I cut

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01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:32.319
<v Speaker 2>the grass. I bet you cut the grass.

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01:08:32.359 --> 01:08:34.000
<v Speaker 5>I bet you just described my dad.

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01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. He's about six seven.

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01:08:36.079 --> 01:08:39.000
<v Speaker 5>I've been in that scenario exactly. Yeah.

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01:08:39.479 --> 01:08:43.760
<v Speaker 3>But but Papa Ted had a fire to him. Yeah.

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01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:46.279
<v Speaker 3>Oh man. He was one of those people like when

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01:08:46.319 --> 01:08:49.880
<v Speaker 3>he talked you you better fucking listen, nobody challenge.

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01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:52.079
<v Speaker 5>Did I tell you what I did to get revenge?

1275
01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:57.680
<v Speaker 5>In the yard? No, my parents' backyard. There's a section

1276
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:00.399
<v Speaker 5>you can't see. They'd never go back there, so they'd

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01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:01.960
<v Speaker 5>only see if they pulled up to the house, they

1278
01:09:01.960 --> 01:09:05.399
<v Speaker 5>could see down the sideyard in the section they couldn't see.

1279
01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:08.520
<v Speaker 5>I would write my name in the mower. With the mower,

1280
01:09:08.680 --> 01:09:11.079
<v Speaker 5>so I'd write my name weeks at a time, so

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01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:14.319
<v Speaker 5>the grass around my name would be like a foot tall,

1282
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:17.319
<v Speaker 5>and it would be my name in the grass. And

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01:09:17.359 --> 01:09:20.800
<v Speaker 5>I was just praying that the Google Earth plane would

1284
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:23.399
<v Speaker 5>come over here and take a picture of my name

1285
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:25.279
<v Speaker 5>spread out over like forty feet.

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01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:29.960
<v Speaker 2>Your dad told me your grass talks to him, said,

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01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:34.960
<v Speaker 2>My plants talked to me. I'm almost down here. Boys,

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01:09:35.079 --> 01:09:37.600
<v Speaker 2>they're on the edge of their seat right now. Give

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01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:39.840
<v Speaker 2>them what I'm gonna give the people what they's around

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01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:45.199
<v Speaker 2>the money bucket, Wrap it up, cheese bucket. Yeah. So

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01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:48.479
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about the parallels between other systems, right, Like

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01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.319
<v Speaker 2>the ancient mysteries after which it was patterned. The Order

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01:09:51.359 --> 01:09:53.840
<v Speaker 2>of the Rose Cross possessed a secret ritual which was

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01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.479
<v Speaker 2>lived by the candidate for a prescribed number of years

1295
01:09:56.520 --> 01:10:00.119
<v Speaker 2>before he was eligible to the inner degrees of the society.

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01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.960
<v Speaker 2>The various floors of the Tower of Olympus represent the

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01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:07.439
<v Speaker 2>orbits of the planets. The ascent of the philosophers from

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01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:10.800
<v Speaker 2>one floor to another also parallels certain rituals of the

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01:10:10.840 --> 01:10:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Eleusinian mysteries and the Rights of Mythris, wherein the candidate

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01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:18.279
<v Speaker 2>ascended the seven rungs of a ladder or climbed the

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01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:22.399
<v Speaker 2>seven steps of a pyramid in order to signify release

1302
01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:26.560
<v Speaker 2>from the influences of the planetary governors. Man becomes the

1303
01:10:26.560 --> 01:10:29.640
<v Speaker 2>master of the seven spears only when he transmutes the

1304
01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:33.720
<v Speaker 2>impulses received from them. He who masters the seven worlds

1305
01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:36.960
<v Speaker 2>and is reunited with the divine source of his own nature,

1306
01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:42.199
<v Speaker 2>consummates the Hermitic the Hermitic marriage. Did I leave out

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01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the part about Mythris? There was there anything about mythrs?

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01:10:45.600 --> 01:10:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:47.720
<v Speaker 2>It was no, No, the rights of Mythrs? Wherein I was

1310
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:49.680
<v Speaker 2>about to say, wait, I don't know a whole lot

1311
01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:55.800
<v Speaker 2>about Mythris. Okay, So TWU two, not twu, but two

1312
01:10:56.079 --> 01:11:01.199
<v Speaker 2>quotations will further establish the relationship existing between the mysteries

1313
01:11:01.239 --> 01:11:04.960
<v Speaker 2>of Serapis and those of other ancient peoples. The first

1314
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.720
<v Speaker 2>is from Richard Payne Knight's Symbolical Language of Ancient Art

1315
01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:14.399
<v Speaker 2>and Mythology. Hence Varro in de Lingua Latina says that

1316
01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:19.520
<v Speaker 2>Coelum and Tera, that is universal mind and productive body,

1317
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:23.399
<v Speaker 2>where the great gods of the Samothracian mysteries, and the

1318
01:11:23.439 --> 01:11:27.520
<v Speaker 2>same as Serapis and Isis of the later Egyptians, the

1319
01:11:27.680 --> 01:11:32.439
<v Speaker 2>tall TOAs and Astarte of the Phoenicians, and the Saturn

1320
01:11:32.520 --> 01:11:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and Ops of the Latins. The second quotation is from

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01:11:35.880 --> 01:11:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Albert Pike's Morals and Dogma Thee says Martianus Cappella in

1322
01:11:41.399 --> 01:11:44.399
<v Speaker 2>his Hymn to the Sun dwellers on the Nile adore

1323
01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:48.239
<v Speaker 2>as Serapis and Memphis, worships as Osiris and the sacred

1324
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:54.199
<v Speaker 2>rites of Persia. Thou art Mythras in Phrygia Aetis and Libya,

1325
01:11:54.359 --> 01:12:00.000
<v Speaker 2>bows down to thee as Ammone and Phoenician Biblos as Adonis.

1326
01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Thus the whole world adores the under different names, the

1327
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.119
<v Speaker 2>secret teachings of all ages. So the point I'm making

1328
01:12:05.239 --> 01:12:10.800
<v Speaker 2>is all of these different myth ritual mystery traditions are

1329
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:15.319
<v Speaker 2>saying it's the same entity. Entity it's the same force,

1330
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:18.760
<v Speaker 2>different the same being. Here's all the different names.

1331
01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:21.359
<v Speaker 3>Ye call it different ste different languages.

1332
01:12:21.359 --> 01:12:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Serapis, which is a bull adonnis. Yeah, and it goes

1333
01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:27.279
<v Speaker 2>on and on. There's more. I don't even know if

1334
01:12:27.319 --> 01:12:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I listed them all, So the rights of Mythris. When

1335
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.720
<v Speaker 2>the Persian mysteries immigrated into Southern Europe, they were quickly

1336
01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:37.680
<v Speaker 2>assimilated by the Latin mind. The cult grew rapidly, especially

1337
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.520
<v Speaker 2>among the Roman soldiery, and during the Roman Wars of Conquest,

1338
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:42.920
<v Speaker 2>the teachings were carried by the legionaires to nearly all

1339
01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:47.039
<v Speaker 2>parts of Europe. So powerful did the cult of Mythris

1340
01:12:47.119 --> 01:12:50.560
<v Speaker 2>become that at least one Roman emperor was initiated into

1341
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:53.199
<v Speaker 2>the order, which met in caverns under the city of Rome.

1342
01:12:53.760 --> 01:12:56.159
<v Speaker 2>Concerning the spread of this mystery school through different parts

1343
01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:59.199
<v Speaker 2>of Europe, c w King in his Gnostics, and their

1344
01:12:59.239 --> 01:13:05.119
<v Speaker 2>remains as Mithraic bas reliefs cut on the faces of

1345
01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:08.439
<v Speaker 2>rocks or on stone tablets, still abound in the countries

1346
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:12.920
<v Speaker 2>formerly the western provinces of the Roman Empire. Many exist

1347
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:16.399
<v Speaker 2>in Germany, still more in France and in this island Britain.

1348
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:18.560
<v Speaker 2>They have often been discovered on the line of the

1349
01:13:18.600 --> 01:13:22.760
<v Speaker 2>picts Wall and the noted one of Bath. Alexander Wilder,

1350
01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.560
<v Speaker 2>in his Philosophy and Ethics of the Zoroasters, states that

1351
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Mithris is the zend title for the Sun, and he

1352
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:33.600
<v Speaker 2>is supposed to dwell with that shining orb. Mithris has

1353
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:37.800
<v Speaker 2>a male and a female aspect, though not himself androgynous

1354
01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:40.960
<v Speaker 2>as Mythris. He is the ford of the Sun, powerful

1355
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:44.960
<v Speaker 2>and radiant, and most significant of the Yazatas or the Ezods,

1356
01:13:45.039 --> 01:13:49.079
<v Speaker 2>or the guinea of the Sun as Mithra without the

1357
01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:53.159
<v Speaker 2>es at the end. As Mithra, this deity represents the

1358
01:13:53.199 --> 01:13:58.159
<v Speaker 2>feminine principle. The mundane universe is recognized as her symbol.

1359
01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:03.119
<v Speaker 2>She represents nature as receptive and terrestrial, and as fruitful

1360
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:06.600
<v Speaker 2>only when bathed in the glory of the solar orb.

1361
01:14:07.159 --> 01:14:11.399
<v Speaker 2>This Mithraic cult is a simplification of the more elaborate

1362
01:14:11.520 --> 01:14:16.399
<v Speaker 2>teachings of Zarathustra, the Persian fire magician the Secret Teachings

1363
01:14:16.399 --> 01:14:18.399
<v Speaker 2>of All Ages. Now I'm gonna wrap us up here

1364
01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:21.399
<v Speaker 2>with something that I stumbled across in The Secret Teaching

1365
01:14:21.479 --> 01:14:23.199
<v Speaker 2>of All Ages, which, by the way, if you guys

1366
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:25.840
<v Speaker 2>haven't picked up out there already, if you know that

1367
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:29.560
<v Speaker 2>this isn't like the most badass esoteric book of all.

1368
01:14:30.199 --> 01:14:32.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say it again, this is the most badass

1369
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:35.039
<v Speaker 2>esoteric book of all. And if you want to go deeper,

1370
01:14:35.079 --> 01:14:38.319
<v Speaker 2>you really really should read this book. It will blow

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01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.119
<v Speaker 2>your mind right out of your skull. And for many

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01:14:41.199 --> 01:14:43.239
<v Speaker 2>years I avoided this text. I don't think I was

1373
01:14:43.279 --> 01:14:47.760
<v Speaker 2>mature enough. A ready, Yeah, I just I can't recommend

1374
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:48.159
<v Speaker 2>it enough.

1375
01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:51.199
<v Speaker 3>But we've been pulling a lot of heat from that

1376
01:14:51.279 --> 01:14:51.800
<v Speaker 3>one lately.

1377
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:55.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's literally like the encyclopedia of

1378
01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:58.119
<v Speaker 2>all of these different traditions. I mean, it's it's unbelievable,

1379
01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's incredibly formative. And yeah, so I stumbled

1380
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:07.239
<v Speaker 2>across this part, and this part genuinely blew my mind.

1381
01:15:08.359 --> 01:15:12.600
<v Speaker 2>And I'll get to why after I read it, although

1382
01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:14.920
<v Speaker 2>for some reason I'm having trouble pulling it up pulled on, Okay,

1383
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:17.159
<v Speaker 2>there we go. I'm gonna get into why it blew

1384
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.880
<v Speaker 2>my mind because it'll be pretty obvious after I read it.

1385
01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:22.600
<v Speaker 2>It has to do with the age of Aquarius and

1386
01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:28.319
<v Speaker 2>with the alignment between Regulus and those sphinxs. From a

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01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.920
<v Speaker 2>perspective of Manly P. Hall writing about Mythras, So I

1388
01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.199
<v Speaker 2>was like, Wow, Okay, this is crazy. And the more

1389
01:15:35.239 --> 01:15:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I dive into this stuff, the more I get the

1390
01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:40.239
<v Speaker 2>sense that this alignment is more than just a message

1391
01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:42.680
<v Speaker 2>from a lady, but it's actually something maybe more ancient.

1392
01:15:42.880 --> 01:15:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's a prophecy that has existed a long time ago,

1393
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:49.359
<v Speaker 2>and the lady didn't come here and created in twenty twelve,

1394
01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:51.039
<v Speaker 2>but she just kind of made us aware of it.

1395
01:15:51.239 --> 01:15:51.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1396
01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I used to think about it really, Yeah, revealed you know,

1397
01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:58.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe this has been expected for a long time to come,

1398
01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:01.880
<v Speaker 2>not just twelve years, but anyway, from the secret teachings

1399
01:16:01.880 --> 01:16:06.720
<v Speaker 2>of all ages. The Honorable E. M. Plunket in ancient

1400
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:12.439
<v Speaker 2>calendars and constellations says the scorpion, the constellation Scorpio of

1401
01:16:12.479 --> 01:16:16.079
<v Speaker 2>the zodiac, opposed to Taurus, joins with Mythris in his

1402
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:19.720
<v Speaker 2>attack upon the bull, and always the guinea of the

1403
01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:23.800
<v Speaker 2>spring and autumn equinoxes are present in joyous and mournful attitudes.

1404
01:16:24.359 --> 01:16:27.840
<v Speaker 2>The Egyptians, the Assyrians, and the Babylonians, who knew the

1405
01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:31.399
<v Speaker 2>Sun as a bull, called the zodiac a series of

1406
01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:35.920
<v Speaker 2>furrows through which the great celestial ox dragged the plow

1407
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:38.359
<v Speaker 2>of the sun. Wow, let's take a quick break. Because

1408
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:43.039
<v Speaker 2>before Mythris, before Mithraism, before Zoroaster had his revelation in

1409
01:16:43.079 --> 01:16:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the Age of Ares, we just talked about this. It

1410
01:16:45.680 --> 01:16:48.560
<v Speaker 2>was the age of Taurus. They knew the Sun as

1411
01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:52.399
<v Speaker 2>a bull, and the Mythris comes along the sword and

1412
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:56.079
<v Speaker 2>the neck of the bull. Now the Sun is a lion.

1413
01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:58.720
<v Speaker 2>I guess they depicted as a lion. They but I'm

1414
01:16:58.760 --> 01:17:03.640
<v Speaker 2>getting there. Hold on the depiction of the lion. The Egyptians,

1415
01:17:03.680 --> 01:17:06.119
<v Speaker 2>the Assyrians, the Babylonians, who knew the Sun as a bowl,

1416
01:17:06.279 --> 01:17:08.479
<v Speaker 2>called the zodiaca series of furrows through which the great

1417
01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:11.760
<v Speaker 2>celestial Ox dragged the plow of the Sun. Hence, the

1418
01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:16.159
<v Speaker 2>populace offered up sacrifice and led through the streets magnificent steers,

1419
01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:19.800
<v Speaker 2>bedecked with flowers and surrounded with priests, dancing girls of

1420
01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:24.359
<v Speaker 2>the temples, and musicians. The philosophic elect did not participate

1421
01:17:24.359 --> 01:17:27.720
<v Speaker 2>in these idolatrous ceremonials, but advocated them as most suitable

1422
01:17:27.720 --> 01:17:30.520
<v Speaker 2>for the types of mind composing the mass of the population.

1423
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:34.399
<v Speaker 2>These few possessed a far deeper understanding, as the serpent

1424
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:38.880
<v Speaker 2>of Scorpio upon their foreheads. The Euaeus bore witness, which

1425
01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.840
<v Speaker 2>if you think about like the Egyptians with the snake

1426
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:45.039
<v Speaker 2>on their eyebrow on the forehead, that's the Euaeus, the

1427
01:17:45.079 --> 01:17:52.680
<v Speaker 2>serpent coming from the third eye thoughts cool, Okay. The

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01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:55.119
<v Speaker 2>Sun is often symbolized with its rays in the form

1429
01:17:55.159 --> 01:17:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of a shaggy mane. Concerning the Masonic significance of Leo,

1430
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Robert Hewitt Brown, thirty second degree Mason, has written, on

1431
01:18:04.279 --> 01:18:07.079
<v Speaker 2>the twenty first of June, when the sun arrives at

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01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:11.920
<v Speaker 2>the solstice, the constellation Leo, being but thirty degrees in

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01:18:12.000 --> 01:18:15.279
<v Speaker 2>advance of the Sun, appears to be leading the way

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01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:18.399
<v Speaker 2>and to aid by his powerful paw in lifting the

1435
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:21.359
<v Speaker 2>Sun up to the summit of the Zodiaco arch. This

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01:18:21.399 --> 01:18:25.119
<v Speaker 2>physical connection between the constellation Leo and the return of

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01:18:25.159 --> 01:18:28.319
<v Speaker 2>the Sun to his place and power of power and

1438
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:31.159
<v Speaker 2>glory at the summit of the royal arch of Heaven

1439
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:34.239
<v Speaker 2>was the principal reason why that constellation was held in

1440
01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:39.039
<v Speaker 2>such high esteem and reverence by the ancients. The astrologers

1441
01:18:39.119 --> 01:18:42.439
<v Speaker 2>distinguished Leo as the sole house of the Sun and

1442
01:18:42.439 --> 01:18:44.960
<v Speaker 2>taught that the world was created when the Sun was

1443
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:48.720
<v Speaker 2>in that sign. The lion was adored in the east

1444
01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:51.720
<v Speaker 2>and the West by the Egyptians and the Mexicans. The

1445
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:56.399
<v Speaker 2>Chief Druid of Britain was styled a lion stellar theology

1446
01:18:56.399 --> 01:19:01.520
<v Speaker 2>and Masonic astronomy. When the Aquarian age is thoroughly established,

1447
01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the sun will be in Leo, as will be noted

1448
01:19:04.960 --> 01:19:09.319
<v Speaker 2>from the explanation previously given in this chapter regarding the

1449
01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:15.079
<v Speaker 2>distinction between geocentric and heliocentric astrology. Then indeed, will the

1450
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:18.920
<v Speaker 2>secret religions of the world include once more the raising

1451
01:19:18.960 --> 01:19:22.359
<v Speaker 2>to initiation by the grip of the lions. Paul Lazarus

1452
01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:24.760
<v Speaker 2>will come forth. So that had me thinking. The whole

1453
01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:27.000
<v Speaker 2>thing is like when the gaze of the Sphinx aligns

1454
01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:30.399
<v Speaker 2>with the constellation Leo just before down, or the star

1455
01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:33.439
<v Speaker 2>Regulus in the constellation Leo just before dawn. It, you know,

1456
01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it'll be a new knowledge. And at the age of Aquarius.

1457
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:37.960
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just thinking about all this stuff.

1458
01:19:37.760 --> 01:19:41.319
<v Speaker 3>And I just said the constellation Leo leads the sun

1459
01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:44.199
<v Speaker 3>by thirty degrees in June.

1460
01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, what, But more specifically, they just said that

1461
01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:52.600
<v Speaker 2>at the creation of the world, the sun was in Leo.

1462
01:19:52.840 --> 01:19:53.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1463
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:57.640
<v Speaker 2>They the ancients teach that Leo is the soul house

1464
01:19:57.680 --> 01:20:00.560
<v Speaker 2>of the Sun. And that the world is create when

1465
01:20:00.600 --> 01:20:03.880
<v Speaker 2>the sun was in Leo. So it's just very interesting.

1466
01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:08.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's so wild that that. Yeah, I mean

1467
01:20:08.279 --> 01:20:11.239
<v Speaker 3>I always had the hunch that like this, this message

1468
01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:14.840
<v Speaker 3>that the lady relayed to your dad is like it's

1469
01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:18.319
<v Speaker 3>so much more ancient than what's happening right now. I

1470
01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.920
<v Speaker 3>always had the thought like, there's this is this is

1471
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:25.640
<v Speaker 3>a very very very old prophecy, but like that this

1472
01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:26.840
<v Speaker 3>is corroborating that.

1473
01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:27.479
<v Speaker 5>See.

1474
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:30.520
<v Speaker 2>I never thought of it as like an ancient idea

1475
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:33.319
<v Speaker 2>because it you know, I had never heard of it.

1476
01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:36.119
<v Speaker 2>I just thought of it as like a new like yeah,

1477
01:20:36.159 --> 01:20:38.600
<v Speaker 2>when the when the star alligans, and I just thought

1478
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:40.880
<v Speaker 2>of it as like a new idea, like oh okay, cool.

1479
01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:44.159
<v Speaker 2>I I never thought about it as being like an

1480
01:20:44.199 --> 01:20:46.760
<v Speaker 2>ancient prophecy that could be.

1481
01:20:47.079 --> 01:20:49.039
<v Speaker 3>I had even had the thought before, like I wish

1482
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:51.960
<v Speaker 3>there was some way that we could really like get

1483
01:20:52.000 --> 01:20:55.119
<v Speaker 3>in the nitty gritty of these like teachings and find

1484
01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:59.640
<v Speaker 3>this prophecy somewhere. I've had that thought many times, like this,

1485
01:20:59.640 --> 01:21:02.600
<v Speaker 3>this he's gotta be out there written down somewhere.

1486
01:21:02.840 --> 01:21:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean again, my dad's friend Robert Edward Grant

1487
01:21:05.279 --> 01:21:06.840
<v Speaker 2>goes in the pyramid. I'm gonna try to find this

1488
01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:09.600
<v Speaker 2>specifics on what he said. But he finds, you know,

1489
01:21:10.119 --> 01:21:13.119
<v Speaker 2>the alpha and the omega over the sphinx, and it's like,

1490
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:16.640
<v Speaker 2>there's this ruby that he thinks it's a ruby, this

1491
01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:20.399
<v Speaker 2>gym under its pause and Dad's like, you know, it's

1492
01:21:20.399 --> 01:21:23.079
<v Speaker 2>not a ruby, it's regulars. So maybe I don't know.

1493
01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:25.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's a stretch, but maybe it is hinting

1494
01:21:25.319 --> 01:21:27.399
<v Speaker 2>to the idea of something with the star Regulus and

1495
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:30.039
<v Speaker 2>the Sphinx and the whole alpha and the omega thing

1496
01:21:30.159 --> 01:21:35.079
<v Speaker 2>is is very interesting, you know what. Actually, my dad,

1497
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:36.680
<v Speaker 2>never mind, I can't say that.

1498
01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:40.319
<v Speaker 3>I can't say that, hush hush, Now.

1499
01:21:40.239 --> 01:21:44.680
<v Speaker 2>I can't say that. I had to stop myself.

1500
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.840
<v Speaker 5>Cheese bucket and that's all she wrote.

1501
01:21:48.880 --> 01:21:49.760
<v Speaker 2>That's all she wrote.

1502
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.399
<v Speaker 3>Damn dude, that was really fascinating. That was really honestly

1503
01:21:54.439 --> 01:21:58.840
<v Speaker 3>super fascinating. Uh. It's I like how it described Mythriism

1504
01:21:58.960 --> 01:22:04.439
<v Speaker 3>is kind of like a deeper, more intimate kind of

1505
01:22:04.479 --> 01:22:09.560
<v Speaker 3>exploration of Zoroastrianism. Yeah, like it. It gets into the

1506
01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:13.760
<v Speaker 3>weeds much much more than Zoroastrianism does. I like the

1507
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:18.039
<v Speaker 3>emphasis on astro theology and then that whole last part

1508
01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:19.399
<v Speaker 3>was nuts.

1509
01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:23.960
<v Speaker 2>It's really cool to me, Like the whole Zoroastrianism thing.

1510
01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.479
<v Speaker 2>I remember first learning about that and just being blown

1511
01:22:26.520 --> 01:22:29.239
<v Speaker 2>away at like eighteen years old or nineteen or whatever.

1512
01:22:30.239 --> 01:22:33.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because there's a lot of parallels there too to Christianity. Obviously,

1513
01:22:33.560 --> 01:22:36.279
<v Speaker 3>it's a lot of the same stuff, but with this

1514
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:40.079
<v Speaker 3>diving even deeper, the parallels are just infinitely more.

1515
01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:43.600
<v Speaker 2>The thing that I think is really cool though, you know,

1516
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:46.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm obviously like really into Edgar Casey. I think episode

1517
01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:49.600
<v Speaker 2>twelve was about Edgar Casey. It might have been thirteen,

1518
01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:54.720
<v Speaker 2>and I just remember talking on there about Edgar Casey's

1519
01:22:54.760 --> 01:22:57.520
<v Speaker 2>idea of reincarnation of the Christ Spirit, because I do

1520
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:02.840
<v Speaker 2>believe in the same iteration that the Christ Spirit is

1521
01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:06.960
<v Speaker 2>this eternal it's like neo, right, yeah, Like it's like neo.

1522
01:23:07.479 --> 01:23:10.039
<v Speaker 2>You find out and either the second or the third matrix,

1523
01:23:10.119 --> 01:23:13.479
<v Speaker 2>they're like, well, you're the seventh one. Yeah, yeah, there's

1524
01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.920
<v Speaker 2>been six other cycles. Yeah, you know, and it's like

1525
01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:20.720
<v Speaker 2>oh shit, you know, so like sure, yeah, there's Thomas Anderson,

1526
01:23:20.880 --> 01:23:23.039
<v Speaker 2>the person who worked at his little office job and

1527
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:26.520
<v Speaker 2>then he realized he's this oversoul, this neo, this being

1528
01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:29.079
<v Speaker 2>the one that comes back over and over and over

1529
01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:33.000
<v Speaker 2>to liberate the entire matrix. So there's two levels of

1530
01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:36.720
<v Speaker 2>being here for this entity. For Neo, he's the human

1531
01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Thomas Anderson, but he's also Neo. This what.

1532
01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:42.399
<v Speaker 5>There's twelve?

1533
01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh is it? He's twelve mystic psychics, right, that's the

1534
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:49.960
<v Speaker 2>name of it. I'm pretty sure it's mystic psyched just

1535
01:23:50.000 --> 01:23:53.119
<v Speaker 2>saw twelve and I was like, he did it again, Psychics.

1536
01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:56.319
<v Speaker 2>I told you, I like Edgar Casey.

1537
01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:56.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1538
01:23:56.880 --> 01:23:59.000
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, that's my point about the Christ thing. It's like,

1539
01:23:59.039 --> 01:24:03.439
<v Speaker 2>I like Edgar Casey interpretation, Like there's this there's this

1540
01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:07.840
<v Speaker 2>eternal spirit that is like the God force, like like

1541
01:24:07.920 --> 01:24:13.399
<v Speaker 2>literally this powerful archetypal soul that comes to earth many

1542
01:24:13.479 --> 01:24:16.000
<v Speaker 2>times at pops in it has a human experience and

1543
01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:17.800
<v Speaker 2>it's say hey, everybody, wake.

1544
01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:21.199
<v Speaker 3>Up, Yeah, wake up. Yeah, you know. It's like the Avatar.

1545
01:24:21.399 --> 01:24:24.399
<v Speaker 3>It's like Neo, It's like Link. It's like all of

1546
01:24:24.439 --> 01:24:29.039
<v Speaker 3>these like fictional characters just reincarnating when we need them,

1547
01:24:29.439 --> 01:24:31.920
<v Speaker 3>when we need them to usher us into out of

1548
01:24:31.960 --> 01:24:34.039
<v Speaker 3>an age of darkness into an age of light.

1549
01:24:34.119 --> 01:24:36.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and also just into new ways of understanding things.

1550
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:36.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1551
01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, But the thing I was trying to say,

1552
01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:43.640
<v Speaker 2>is that Edgar Casey according to his readings. And I'm

1553
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:45.359
<v Speaker 2>gonna be honest with you, bro, after going to the

1554
01:24:45.399 --> 01:24:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Minrostitute and having some amount of body stuff and getting

1555
01:24:47.800 --> 01:24:50.680
<v Speaker 2>like really embedded in their whole history and their body

1556
01:24:50.680 --> 01:24:53.399
<v Speaker 2>of knowledge and material, I'm starting to believe in Edgar

1557
01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Casey more than ever because there was a part of

1558
01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:58.840
<v Speaker 2>me this like this is really cool. I vibe with it,

1559
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:01.880
<v Speaker 2>but you know, can't prove you know, the psychic experience

1560
01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:04.760
<v Speaker 2>channeling thing. But now I'm like, I'm all in. Yeah,

1561
01:25:05.039 --> 01:25:09.239
<v Speaker 2>he says that zoro Astra was one of them. Oh yeah,

1562
01:25:09.279 --> 01:25:14.239
<v Speaker 2>like the incarnation of this christ being, like you know,

1563
01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.720
<v Speaker 2>and that makes sense to me. I do think that

1564
01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:21.479
<v Speaker 2>there is a very strong connection between Christianity, Zoroastrianism, and

1565
01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:25.319
<v Speaker 2>then of course because it comes from Zoroastrianism to Raism,

1566
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:27.760
<v Speaker 2>and I think that there is not only a connection

1567
01:25:27.800 --> 01:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>between those three, but a strong connection to other ones

1568
01:25:29.840 --> 01:25:30.199
<v Speaker 2>as well.

1569
01:25:30.800 --> 01:25:33.159
<v Speaker 3>There obviously is, yeah, just by comparing it to the

1570
01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:36.880
<v Speaker 3>other religions that we talked about, Yeah, there's a lot

1571
01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:37.520
<v Speaker 3>of connections.

1572
01:25:37.720 --> 01:25:43.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean it's just powerful stuff. Zoroastrinism is mind,

1573
01:25:43.600 --> 01:25:48.239
<v Speaker 2>it's very it's very prolific in the way that it's

1574
01:25:48.359 --> 01:25:53.239
<v Speaker 2>shaped our philosophic and our religious thought. And I think

1575
01:25:53.319 --> 01:25:55.199
<v Speaker 2>like ninety percent of the world are not even aware

1576
01:25:55.239 --> 01:25:57.079
<v Speaker 2>of what it is, or the origins of it, or what.

1577
01:25:57.119 --> 01:26:02.359
<v Speaker 3>It means, and or that their practices come from it. Right, Yeah, yeah, predated.

1578
01:26:02.359 --> 01:26:05.800
<v Speaker 2>It's the first ever monotheistic religion. Yeah, like the first

1579
01:26:06.359 --> 01:26:13.279
<v Speaker 2>genuinely historically verifiable, recorded monotheistic religion religion, and and that's

1580
01:26:13.439 --> 01:26:14.119
<v Speaker 2>that's crazy.

1581
01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:16.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you asked one hundred people if they had

1582
01:26:16.399 --> 01:26:19.479
<v Speaker 3>ever heard of Zoroastrianism, you might get a few.

1583
01:26:19.760 --> 01:26:22.439
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, Yeah, Heaven in hell, the doctrine of heaven and hell,

1584
01:26:22.600 --> 01:26:26.239
<v Speaker 2>the resurrection after death, the final judgment, all this, you know,

1585
01:26:26.399 --> 01:26:29.159
<v Speaker 2>other stuff that's in Christianity, like a lot of it

1586
01:26:29.239 --> 01:26:31.159
<v Speaker 2>comes from there. Yeah, And people might think of that

1587
01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:33.800
<v Speaker 2>as a bad thing, but it's not. No, it's not

1588
01:26:34.279 --> 01:26:36.760
<v Speaker 2>like no, you know, we have to think about we

1589
01:26:36.880 --> 01:26:39.439
<v Speaker 2>have to think about God as like transcending or you know,

1590
01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:44.039
<v Speaker 2>just truth rather transcending culture. And then these cultures are

1591
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>getting together and they're like fleshing out their ideas of.

1592
01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:49.039
<v Speaker 3>This, their interpretation, their interpretations.

1593
01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:51.000
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh yeah, that no that makes sense. No, no,

1594
01:26:51.119 --> 01:26:53.439
<v Speaker 2>this makes sense. And then along the way they're like, actually,

1595
01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna kill all of you because we have the

1596
01:26:55.439 --> 01:26:57.319
<v Speaker 2>right way. That's what it turned into. Yeah, you know

1597
01:26:57.479 --> 01:26:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the Roman Empire and they killed millions of millions of millions.

1598
01:27:00.000 --> 01:27:00.760
<v Speaker 3>That's Romans.

1599
01:27:00.880 --> 01:27:03.079
<v Speaker 2>That's not how it should be. That's not how philosophy

1600
01:27:03.119 --> 01:27:05.079
<v Speaker 2>should be. That's not how truth should be. That's not

1601
01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:07.880
<v Speaker 2>how mystics are. You know, if you join the Rosicrucian

1602
01:27:07.960 --> 01:27:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Order right now. I signed up and took a couple

1603
01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:12.560
<v Speaker 2>of their courses a few years ago, and I didn't

1604
01:27:12.560 --> 01:27:14.439
<v Speaker 2>get any farther than that. If you join them right

1605
01:27:14.439 --> 01:27:16.079
<v Speaker 2>now and you read through all their material, they tell

1606
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:22.159
<v Speaker 2>you we take from the Persians, the Greeks, zoro Aster,

1607
01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:26.920
<v Speaker 2>we take from Helena Blovaski, the Knights, Templar, the Gnostics.

1608
01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>They tell you straight up, like all this stuff that works,

1609
01:27:30.600 --> 01:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>we keep it. We also continue to explore and to

1610
01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:37.319
<v Speaker 2>find what else works. If it is genuinely observable and

1611
01:27:37.560 --> 01:27:41.159
<v Speaker 2>verifiable and substantiated, we love it. It works. That's what

1612
01:27:41.239 --> 01:27:43.119
<v Speaker 2>a mystic should do. Otherwise, you know.

1613
01:27:43.479 --> 01:27:45.800
<v Speaker 3>Whatever, you're just blocking out a bunch of stuff that

1614
01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:49.720
<v Speaker 3>could be really useful in your pursuit of the truth. Right,

1615
01:27:49.800 --> 01:27:52.600
<v Speaker 3>you're just putting horse blinders on and just choosing to

1616
01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:55.680
<v Speaker 3>ignore that other stuff for whatever reason. It may be

1617
01:27:56.439 --> 01:28:00.159
<v Speaker 3>hell fire, right yeah, yeah, for us it was as

1618
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:02.800
<v Speaker 3>we'll burn in hell if we do that. Yeah, I mean,

1619
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:05.720
<v Speaker 3>whatever your reason, don't don't put the horse blinders up,

1620
01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:08.000
<v Speaker 3>open them up, and like, look into all of it.

1621
01:28:08.079 --> 01:28:09.720
<v Speaker 3>There's truth in all of it.

1622
01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Now, you get that cheeseball bucket up there in that way,

1623
01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>herd and the little girls ones, you know you're in

1624
01:28:15.960 --> 01:28:17.760
<v Speaker 2>good favor the lord.

1625
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:24.640
<v Speaker 3>Less favor and praise Jesus, Lord, have mercy.

1626
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:32.479
<v Speaker 2>But whoa unto them with a light cheese bucket. They're

1627
01:28:32.600 --> 01:28:35.479
<v Speaker 2>robbing the house of the Lord. My pastor said, up man,

1628
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:37.399
<v Speaker 2>he used to say, if you don't pay ties, you're

1629
01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>robbing God. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, God have more

1630
01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:41.239
<v Speaker 2>money than me.

1631
01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, like I'm broke. God is balling, dude, he

1632
01:28:44.920 --> 01:28:46.079
<v Speaker 3>got all our money.

1633
01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:46.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what the heck?

1634
01:28:47.039 --> 01:28:50.840
<v Speaker 3>Damn? What's he needed for someone's robbing me? Yeah? The

1635
01:28:51.000 --> 01:28:52.800
<v Speaker 3>church ain't getting robbed. The church rob dude.

1636
01:28:52.840 --> 01:28:54.560
<v Speaker 2>I was talking about this with Jenny the other day.

1637
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:58.359
<v Speaker 2>We were talking about how like in for example, Bro,

1638
01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:02.560
<v Speaker 2>my I don't have a brother in law or sister

1639
01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:04.279
<v Speaker 2>in law because Jenny's an only child. So she she

1640
01:29:04.399 --> 01:29:06.359
<v Speaker 2>has some family in Germany that I'm like, Oh, they're

1641
01:29:06.399 --> 01:29:08.520
<v Speaker 2>my in laws, you know, like that's my brother in law,

1642
01:29:08.560 --> 01:29:12.119
<v Speaker 2>that's my sister or whatever, her cousins. And this summer,

1643
01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>one of her cousins was telling me we were just

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01:29:14.920 --> 01:29:17.439
<v Speaker 2>talking about the church. He was they're not really hip

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01:29:17.560 --> 01:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to a lot of this stuff in Germany. They're not

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01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:22.920
<v Speaker 2>to like all his Age of Aquarius stuff. They're very Catholic. Yeah,

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01:29:22.960 --> 01:29:24.439
<v Speaker 2>and we were talking about the stuff. His eyes were

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01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:26.279
<v Speaker 2>blown or you know, his eyes really wide. His mind

1649
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:28.279
<v Speaker 2>was blown. He was like, wow, this makes sense, this

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01:29:28.439 --> 01:29:32.520
<v Speaker 2>is I've heard of this before. And god man, he

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01:29:32.680 --> 01:29:34.960
<v Speaker 2>was just like, I'm so sick of paying the church

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01:29:35.039 --> 01:29:37.159
<v Speaker 2>when I do the taxes. And I was like, you

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01:29:37.319 --> 01:29:39.239
<v Speaker 2>what when you do your tax Yeah, I was like,

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01:29:39.319 --> 01:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about. He's like, yeah, if you're

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01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:43.960
<v Speaker 2>a member of the Catholic Church, when you do taxes,

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01:29:44.039 --> 01:29:45.479
<v Speaker 2>you pay taxes to the church.

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01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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01:29:48.039 --> 01:29:50.479
<v Speaker 2>Apparently that's how it is. And in Europe, bro, like,

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01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:53.520
<v Speaker 2>if you're a Catholic, like it's it's like you know

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01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:56.960
<v Speaker 2>you register, Like, yeah, I'm Catholic. Great, you're gonna pay taxes.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, that's a big ass cheese bucket.

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01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>As a cheese bucket.

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01:30:01.119 --> 01:30:03.920
<v Speaker 3>That's a big ass cheese bucket. Taxes.

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01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:06.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's legal, Like you have to pay. If you don't,

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01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:08.399
<v Speaker 2>you are not a member of the Catholic church.

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01:30:08.720 --> 01:30:12.319
<v Speaker 3>Talk about crazy, right, that's easy. He told me that.

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01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:14.159
<v Speaker 3>I was like, what what do you mean.

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01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:15.800
<v Speaker 2>He's like, oh, yeah, I'm sick of it. I don't

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01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:16.560
<v Speaker 2>want to pay anymore.

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01:30:17.960 --> 01:30:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Dude. That's evil, isn't it. It's a big ass cheese bucket,

1671
01:30:22.159 --> 01:30:24.239
<v Speaker 3>taxes full of cheeseball.

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01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:25.439
<v Speaker 2>Legal taxes to the church.

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01:30:25.640 --> 01:30:26.319
<v Speaker 3>That's gross.

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01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:33.079
<v Speaker 5>Many my Catholic church would send a year's worth of

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01:30:34.520 --> 01:30:37.760
<v Speaker 5>envelopes that you could put your money in to go

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01:30:37.840 --> 01:30:41.600
<v Speaker 5>to church with, so you get, you know, average, Once

1677
01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:45.159
<v Speaker 5>a week they'd send you fifty two envelopes and you'd

1678
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:47.760
<v Speaker 5>write on it how much money you put in the envelope,

1679
01:30:47.760 --> 01:30:51.880
<v Speaker 5>and they want like twenty percent of your total income.

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01:30:52.199 --> 01:30:53.840
<v Speaker 2>That's some sales strategy right there.

1681
01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:54.439
<v Speaker 1>It is.

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01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:57.079
<v Speaker 3>They're basically sending you blank checks.

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01:30:57.479 --> 01:31:01.239
<v Speaker 5>But I remember the funny thing is I remember getting excited.

1684
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:03.560
<v Speaker 5>My mom would give me money to put in the

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01:31:03.680 --> 01:31:06.800
<v Speaker 5>basket when it comes down the people. Yeah, I didn't

1686
01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:10.399
<v Speaker 5>be like, oh yeah, what I did nothing.

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01:31:11.039 --> 01:31:12.319
<v Speaker 2>I want to put money in the bucket.

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01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:14.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, everybody else is doing it. Must be cool.

1689
01:31:14.840 --> 01:31:16.319
<v Speaker 3>You bought to preacher a new plane.

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01:31:16.680 --> 01:31:18.960
<v Speaker 5>I mean the pearly gates ain't cheap, that's right.

1691
01:31:19.039 --> 01:31:26.920
<v Speaker 6>The pearl, Yeah, solid gold pearl Jasper Jazper for the

1692
01:31:27.039 --> 01:31:30.600
<v Speaker 6>pasta Yeah, dude, so past. I mean, I'm at the

1693
01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:33.199
<v Speaker 6>end of my road here. I mean, we're are the

1694
01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:34.000
<v Speaker 6>crossroads here.

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01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:35.920
<v Speaker 5>You know, the caves.

1696
01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:38.479
<v Speaker 2>It's time to make caves come to a dead end. Yeah,

1697
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:39.840
<v Speaker 2>caves come to a dead end.

1698
01:31:39.920 --> 01:31:41.600
<v Speaker 5>Time to find the water and crawl out.

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01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, just following the damn trickle in the dark.

1700
01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:49.880
<v Speaker 2>That's crazy though, right. They got on their hands and

1701
01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:52.199
<v Speaker 2>knees and they're like, I heard trickling water. Yeah, and

1702
01:31:52.279 --> 01:31:54.119
<v Speaker 2>they followed the trickling water and they made it out.

1703
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:56.279
<v Speaker 3>I could have just used their iPhone the whole time.

1704
01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Idiots in the eighteen hundreds, Yeah, could you imagine how

1705
01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:02.079
<v Speaker 2>gross they were too?

1706
01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Like the stink.

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01:32:04.960 --> 01:32:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Do you think people smelled worse than people smelled now

1708
01:32:08.640 --> 01:32:10.319
<v Speaker 5>or do you think it's circumstantial?

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01:32:10.600 --> 01:32:10.840
<v Speaker 3>Dude?

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01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:15.039
<v Speaker 5>No, I'm all I'm saying is that if you adopted

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01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:20.560
<v Speaker 5>the hygiene practices of someone in the eighteen hundreds, you

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01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:23.000
<v Speaker 5>would smell like someone in the eighteen hundreds.

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01:32:23.119 --> 01:32:24.479
<v Speaker 3>Foul. Yeah, I'm not.

1714
01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:28.600
<v Speaker 5>But what I'm saying is humans don't smell different than

1715
01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:30.920
<v Speaker 5>they did. It's just circumstantial.

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01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:32.359
<v Speaker 2>But how do you know?

1717
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:33.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you don't know shit.

1718
01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:37.479
<v Speaker 2>Because we got like McDonald's, we got like chicken, we

1719
01:32:37.600 --> 01:32:40.520
<v Speaker 2>got like I'm here, easy food. That probably makes us

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01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:41.199
<v Speaker 2>smell worse.

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01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Dog, I don't know about that, bro. They did not

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01:32:43.800 --> 01:32:44.600
<v Speaker 3>have good hygiene.

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01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:48.119
<v Speaker 5>They probably smell good. No, they did not. I guarantee

1724
01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:52.720
<v Speaker 5>if you transported someone from the eighteen hundreds to now

1725
01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:57.479
<v Speaker 5>and they adopted the hygiene practices that we have now,

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01:32:58.359 --> 01:32:59.520
<v Speaker 5>would they smell like us?

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01:33:00.119 --> 01:33:00.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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01:33:00.760 --> 01:33:04.119
<v Speaker 4>I think they can't go both ways. They would smell

1729
01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:06.720
<v Speaker 4>like us if they would just be hygienic, but they don't.

1730
01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:09.119
<v Speaker 4>They didn't have showers and soap and ships, so they

1731
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:12.000
<v Speaker 4>were stinky as hell. Plus they didn't know the importance

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01:33:12.079 --> 01:33:12.640
<v Speaker 4>of hygiene.

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01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:15.199
<v Speaker 5>I don't want to die in this cave, Okay.

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01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Dude, I'm telling you, they'd smell way better than buy

1735
01:33:19.039 --> 01:33:22.039
<v Speaker 2>a long mile Dude, they had life soap. They was

1736
01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>like bathing with acid, dude.

1737
01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:27.279
<v Speaker 5>And then take me back. I don't want to be here.

1738
01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:30.720
<v Speaker 5>They smelled better than U s dude tripping a Smash Bros.

1739
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Tournament.

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01:33:31.680 --> 01:33:35.640
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, fowl Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, but at

1741
01:33:35.760 --> 01:33:37.760
<v Speaker 5>least those Have you ever been to the first Olympics?

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01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:42.600
<v Speaker 3>No that they I guarantee they smelled bad. They must

1743
01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:44.159
<v Speaker 3>have spelled real bad.

1744
01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Like in Rome.

1745
01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah they didn'tst Olympics were in Greece.

1746
01:33:48.760 --> 01:33:51.439
<v Speaker 5>They didn't close the Olympics.

1747
01:33:52.039 --> 01:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of the coliseum, the gladiators.

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01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:55.600
<v Speaker 5>I'd have paid to see that.

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01:33:56.319 --> 01:34:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well you would have. I'm sure they charge.

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01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:05.079
<v Speaker 2>I think we're uh, I think we're at a at

1751
01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:05.680
<v Speaker 2>a good point.

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01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:08.560
<v Speaker 3>It's time to Ryan begging.

1753
01:34:09.760 --> 01:34:11.960
<v Speaker 2>It's time to It's time to say good night.

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01:34:11.960 --> 01:34:13.920
<v Speaker 3>All right, good night bye God.

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