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How have you 23 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:53,079 been doing. 24 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,799 Speaker 3: I've all right, man, Happy New Year to everybody. 25 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: Happy New Year. Yeah, we're doing this on New Year's Day. 26 00:01:59,319 --> 00:02:03,599 We are going to close out the California series, So 27 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,159 jump right in. 28 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:11,319 Speaker 3: Was taking a look at Pappy Cannon's book State of 29 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:20,919 Emergency from I think I think it dropped around twenty eleven, 30 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:28,639 twenty twelve, somewhere around there. The context is his book 31 00:02:28,759 --> 00:02:34,120 on World War Two. It's a good kind of at 32 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:35,120 a glance. 33 00:02:36,479 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 2: Volume. 34 00:02:37,879 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 3: It's kind of like the cliff notes version of a 35 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:45,599 lot of stuff Harry Elmer Barnes wrote about, and AJB. 36 00:02:45,719 --> 00:02:51,280 Taylor and people like that, but the endnotes that were useful, 37 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:57,120 and some then even utilizing it for some things. But 38 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,840 the canon obviously, he was somebody who was always kind 39 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:08,240 of raising the proverbial alarm bells about the immigration crisis, 40 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,400 which is well placed, but he misdiagnos what was going 41 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,919 on in California. And I think to this day people 42 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:21,080 continue to like they talk about I mean, first of all, 43 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:25,039 they claim that like California's liberal because of Hispanics. That's 44 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:27,199 not true, and we're gonna get into that that's not why. 45 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,520 But also they talk about California almost like it's a 46 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,639 giant ulster or something like what I mean by as 47 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,319 they talk about it, you can included it like oh, 48 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,439 there's this core population of Mexicans like identify with Mexico. 49 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:45,479 That's really not what's going on, you know, And like 50 00:03:45,479 --> 00:03:52,240 like traditionally Spanish California. Yeah, they're not particularly assimilated. Like yeah, 51 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,520 they're very much kind of like hood local in their perspective, 52 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,879 but they they don't want to like be part of Mexico. 53 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:04,360 There's not guys in like East La who are acting 54 00:04:04,439 --> 00:04:07,039 like the provos in nineteen seventy and trying to like 55 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,039 cultivate ties of Mexico for some political union. Like that's 56 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,360 not happening. And if anything, even even in hoods where 57 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,600 like people mostly speak Spanish, like people come over the 58 00:04:20,639 --> 00:04:22,759 border are kind of like look down upon you know. 59 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,240 I mean like that's even to this day. I mean, 60 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,759 so like that's not what's happening. You can't look at 61 00:04:28,759 --> 00:04:32,720 the situation as again like something where it's like a 62 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:35,959 giant ulster or like a Bosnia situation where it's like 63 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,920 there's kind of like organic migration of like Mexicans and oh, 64 00:04:40,959 --> 00:04:44,160 you know, Mexico is reabsorbing California. That's that's not happening, 65 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,120 and if it was, it'd be playing out totally differently. 66 00:04:49,399 --> 00:04:54,720 But that's also why it's cap the claim, oh California 67 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,240 is liberal because of Mexicans. It's like, I mean, like 68 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,639 I was saying, so so Hispanics love Barbara, you know, 69 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,759 and like the some of the Buchanan was saying was 70 00:05:04,959 --> 00:05:07,040 you know, like after I mean, John McCain was like 71 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:08,639 a total piece of shit, but he was also just 72 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:10,160 like a fucking idiot and like. 73 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: You know, he was. 74 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 3: His kind of idiotic uh Poluca stand in campaign contra Obama. 75 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:24,560 I remember, Like that's that was kind of the peak 76 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:28,040 of the narrative, like, oh, like white California is done. 77 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,839 It's like, well, apparently it's not, man because much of 78 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:36,759 them might dislike the people who represent you know, my 79 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:41,560 own tribes's demographic, like Gavin Newsom is almost certainly gonna 80 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,279 be like the nominee in twenty twenty eight, and that 81 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,240 guy's like as that guy and his wife for like 82 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,120 his old money in California as it comes. You know, 83 00:05:50,199 --> 00:05:52,720 this is very very fake, is my point. You know, 84 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,519 like it's not like the way people talk, you'd think 85 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:02,040 that Mexico was making like sovereign territorial claims on like California, 86 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:05,680 and that like Caesar Chavez type guys were popping up 87 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,759 and demanding access to government. Like nothing like that is happening. 88 00:06:09,319 --> 00:06:10,839 And that's one of the ways you know that this 89 00:06:10,959 --> 00:06:15,399 is fake. And like, don't get me wrong, there's like 90 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,759 definitely a capital flight from California and they've lost like 91 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,759 a huge number of like white people. But anybody who 92 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:28,839 can is leaving California. And what's interesting too, you know, 93 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,480 I make the point of you know, I emphasized the 94 00:06:32,519 --> 00:06:35,519 point a lot. That's a mistake to try and like 95 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,319 extrapolate from what goes on in the street or in 96 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:45,720 the penitentiary or you know, to like broader political demographic tendencies. 97 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:48,879 But it does tell you something. You know, Whites and 98 00:06:48,959 --> 00:06:52,720 Mexicans on the street in California like click up very heavily, 99 00:06:54,079 --> 00:06:58,680 and California is hyper racialized, and like both Serranos and 100 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:01,759 whites like look at black like their ops. I go 101 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,839 as far as to say they actually hate them, you know. 102 00:07:07,879 --> 00:07:13,240 And South Central interestingly, you know, the California City Council 103 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,040 like they don't call it South Central anymore. They really 104 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,360 I've been trying to like wipe its reputation out of 105 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:25,839 existences like this kind of failing black hood you know, 106 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,399 in the middle of LA I mean, that's kind of 107 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:35,279 another issue. But you know what's now South Los Angeles 108 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,680 Like basically within fifteen years, it lost like forty percent 109 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,600 of their black population, you know. I mean, that's the 110 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,759 real ethnic cleansing in my opinion. 111 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: But the. 112 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:51,319 Speaker 3: You know, like we were talking about the other week, 113 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,360 and I'll get into the brass tacks of data and 114 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,240 things in a minute. 115 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: We can, I can I kind of jump in real quick. Yeah, 116 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:02,959 of course, was that a I mean I've heard stories 117 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:10,639 of Mexicans basically going in, ye know, armed to clear 118 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,560 out parts of South Central and to chase blacks out, 119 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:15,879 like is an open war. 120 00:08:16,399 --> 00:08:19,199 Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, it's possible. Like all, what 121 00:08:19,279 --> 00:08:22,639 I do know is this even like seriously racialized like 122 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:27,120 white guys they click up with. It's it's not just convenience. 123 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,000 Like them in the Serenos, they have this weird affinity 124 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:38,080 and they both like really really really have bad feelings 125 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,279 towards the blacks. And it's not like that here, you know, 126 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,759 like racist as we are in Chicago. Even dudes in 127 00:08:45,799 --> 00:08:48,720 the game, even like white dudes who gang bang, and 128 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:51,720 even in the early nineties, like when things were really bad, 129 00:08:52,399 --> 00:08:55,279 you generally don't find dudes who like hate blacks, even 130 00:08:55,279 --> 00:08:57,440 if they don't like associate with them, and even if 131 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:01,200 they like respect the color line kind of rigidly. So 132 00:09:01,279 --> 00:09:05,039 I mean, I I guess my point is it's I 133 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,279 don't know, I said, the California is one day being 134 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,679 super liberal everything else aside, when you've got this like 135 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:14,200 profound enmity between people's like that just that doesn't happen, 136 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,039 you know, like that that's just not the way things are. 137 00:09:20,279 --> 00:09:22,120 And I think too, I think one of the things 138 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,039 that kind of killed the fortunes of black folks in California, 139 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:29,639 I mean, the LA Riots. It wasn't despite the way 140 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,720 I mean now people just don't talk about it, which 141 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:36,960 is interesting, I mean, like regime people and adjacent media elements. 142 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,679 But you know, the LA Riots were basically blacks becoming 143 00:09:40,799 --> 00:09:43,960 like ebks, like they went to war with everybody. Like 144 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,679 It's not like it was some like you know, colored 145 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,360 revolt or whatever. I mean, that kind of sho doesn't 146 00:09:49,399 --> 00:09:51,639 really happen anyway. But this is like very nakedly like 147 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:56,159 black folks on the warpath and that really scared a 148 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,759 lot of people, would also like radicalized a lot of people. 149 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,000 And like after that, it's kind of like the gloves 150 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,399 came off. I mean, I know, you got this like 151 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,600 random black lead he was like the mayor of Los Angeles, 152 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,000 but that but that's fake as fuck, you know, like 153 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,240 California's got they do not have like a friendly relationship 154 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:19,200 with their black population, you know, and a lot of that. 155 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,960 Uh but that's also too you know. I mean that's 156 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,279 one of the reasons like when people try and painted 157 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,480 with something like Reconquista, there's not some like equivalent of 158 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,200 the Watts riots, where like Spanish people like went berserk 159 00:10:34,320 --> 00:10:37,120 instead of like burning shit down, like that never happened, 160 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:40,879 and like it's not about to happen. I mean, not 161 00:10:40,879 --> 00:10:45,039 that that's the metric, but it's okay. If if Mexicans 162 00:10:45,039 --> 00:10:48,600 are supposedly these guys with like conquest on their mind, 163 00:10:48,639 --> 00:10:51,600 who you know again are basically like the you know, 164 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:54,360 the provos of the of Latin America, who are trying 165 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,039 to like turn California to Mexico. Why aren't they doing that? 166 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:03,759 You know, Like it doesn't really play out and it's 167 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:07,399 a different like it's a different culture. Like these East 168 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:09,360 A lot of these La guys too, I mean their 169 00:11:09,399 --> 00:11:12,200 families have been there for like a century and a half. 170 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,799 Like the fact they don't really identify with America, okay, 171 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,759 but they don't like want to be part of Mexico either. 172 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,159 I mean, it's like its own thing. 173 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: You know, Like they're sort of like they're sort of 174 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,080 like the Tejanos in Texas. 175 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:25,879 Speaker 2: Yeah. 176 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. Like in East La, 177 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,039 it's very much like a proletarian culture, and it's very 178 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:38,000 rough culture, you know, but it's it's like its own thing, man. 179 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:38,279 Speaker 2: You know. 180 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:43,879 Speaker 3: Like uh, and I do have. I haven't been out 181 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:46,960 there in a long time, you know, since like two thousand. 182 00:11:47,039 --> 00:11:50,840 But as a kid, I was like around this ship, 183 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:52,320 you know. I mean like I spent a lot. I 184 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,200 spent a lot of time in La and in like Ventura, 185 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:58,120 ox Nart and and you know, like it's not like 186 00:11:58,360 --> 00:11:59,720 my point is it's time. I was just like going 187 00:11:59,759 --> 00:12:05,200 to Orange County or something, you know, Like I I 188 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,879 I was I was around like Sokale like Mexicans. You know, 189 00:12:08,919 --> 00:12:11,159 I could play like ball with them and stuff, you know, 190 00:12:11,399 --> 00:12:13,200 and like skate with him, and shit, you know, I 191 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,440 got to know somebody these guys like reasonably well, and 192 00:12:17,159 --> 00:12:20,080 it was I when I realized the nineteen eighties were 193 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,000 a lot different. But you know that well, for our purposes, 194 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:31,320 it's it's material, but it's also just you know, I'll 195 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:35,679 get into our dad in a minute. But you know too, 196 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:39,519 I can't remember who made the point. It might have 197 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,279 been roun Ones. They made it for a different the 198 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:48,120 context he invoked it was different. But from this nineteen 199 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:51,679 sixties onward, like the early sixties I'm talking about, like 200 00:12:51,759 --> 00:12:58,080 Kennedy era, both houses of the state legislature were usually Democrat, 201 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:02,080 at least by narrow majority, but they weren't particularly liberal. 202 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: You know. 203 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,159 Speaker 3: So this idea that uh oh, you know there if 204 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:11,120 the Republican Party dies in California, then everybody's liberal, like 205 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:16,600 that doesn't track either, you know, like you had you 206 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,080 had you had these name mestizo people who are not 207 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,039 remotely liberal in their outlook, and you had these guys 208 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:28,440 who worked in you know, like machine shops and stuff 209 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,919 that kind of serve the aerospace industry. Like a lot 210 00:13:30,919 --> 00:13:33,879 of those people they vote Democrat because like their union 211 00:13:33,919 --> 00:13:36,159 ship Steward is like, yeah, this is who we vote for, 212 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,879 you know. So that's that's kind of like a false 213 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,840 veneer too, because like the supposedly the metric of what's 214 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,879 going on in California is like who's voting for Republicans? 215 00:13:47,919 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 2: You know? 216 00:13:48,159 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 3: And I I don't know, Schwarzenegger is a total idiot, 217 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:55,159 but he uh, you know, the the way he got 218 00:13:55,159 --> 00:14:00,000 elected was basically it was basically a singlish you campaign 219 00:14:01,159 --> 00:14:06,600 and people were outraged at was it Davis Gray Davis 220 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,720 or was it somebody else? 221 00:14:11,759 --> 00:14:12,519 Speaker 2: But who. 222 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 3: Wilson or Great Davis? I can't remember. But the big 223 00:14:18,759 --> 00:14:22,919 issue with Schwartzaer's campaign was he was, you know, I'm 224 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:27,240 gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna repeal the I'm gonna repeal 225 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:30,639 the statute that allows illegal aliens to get drivers licenses. 226 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:33,720 So then suddenly like people just like swarm to Schwarzenegger 227 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,519 is like their candidate, you know, and I mean so 228 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,559 supposedly you know that, I mean, why would that even 229 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:43,720 be an issue of California after ninety two? Is is 230 00:14:43,759 --> 00:14:48,519 like this irridentist like Hispanic Paradise that's basically like his 231 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,960 left wing as Sweden. I mean, like that doesn't that 232 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,440 doesn't make any It doesn't describe a political culture that 233 00:14:54,559 --> 00:14:59,679 actually exists, you know, And I think what's most kind 234 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:00,200 of damn. 235 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,559 Speaker 1: Is uh, by the way, it was great Davis. 236 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:08,919 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, thanks ms Sleepy, like forgive me. 237 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:17,399 But the uh, you know, the referendum votes are really 238 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,679 kind of what tells us that this narrative is false. 239 00:15:20,759 --> 00:15:24,279 And you know, proposition one eighty seven, it's kind of 240 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:25,399 like ominously named. 241 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:30,559 Speaker 1: Consider I remember that when that happened. I was like, oh, 242 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,480 that they did that on purpose. 243 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:36,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, so prop onety seven it was. It was also 244 00:15:36,159 --> 00:15:41,320 known by the political adgent committees that devised it as 245 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,279 the SOS Initiative Save Our State. So this is in 246 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,759 nineteen ninety four. Yah, supposedly after like the new majority 247 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:55,039 is is controlling political processes only the demographic shifts. 248 00:15:57,799 --> 00:15:57,879 Speaker 2: It. 249 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 3: Uh. It was basically the harshest legislative regime in the 250 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:10,639 country that would have deprived the illegal aliens of like 251 00:16:10,759 --> 00:16:14,519 all health services other than you know, like emergency care, 252 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:21,399 public education, you know, social services. Like basically it basically 253 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:24,320 precluded anybody who couldn't prove they were a citizen from 254 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,080 availing themselves of any of any of any social welfare 255 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:35,120 aspects at the state level, you know. And this passed 256 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:41,240 by supermajority on November eighth, nineteen ninety four. I mean 257 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:46,080 it was over five million votes, about three and a 258 00:16:46,159 --> 00:16:50,679 half millions, I mean, about a fifty nine percent majority. 259 00:16:50,919 --> 00:16:55,320 But what's most significant it was only the Bay Area 260 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,200 that opposed it. And I mean the Bay Area is 261 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,200 not in the kind of I mean in the conventional 262 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,240 sense that's und some man of European it's like to 263 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:09,799 visit it. So basically, you've got California with Prop Oney seven. 264 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:14,599 You got California from the Oregon border to San Diego. 265 00:17:15,519 --> 00:17:19,200 You could drive from tip to tip, and every single 266 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:24,880 county you'd passed through voted for prop Oneity seven, with 267 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:28,200 the exception of like San Francisco in Berkeley. Like that's 268 00:17:28,279 --> 00:17:32,599 that's freaking insane, you know, like that's that's an absolute landslide, 269 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,960 you know. And and again too, we're not I don't 270 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:42,079 accept this notion that, you know, a majoritarian consensus in 271 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,480 counties is meaningless if they're quote like a rural or flyover. 272 00:17:45,799 --> 00:17:49,599 That's this cap But it would tell us something if 273 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:56,319 LA had come out against one eighty seven. But LA 274 00:17:56,799 --> 00:18:02,000 fifty six percent voted yes, you know, and it's like, okay, 275 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:04,200 that was thirty years ago. But the whole point is 276 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:07,799 nineteen ninety two was when it was declared that as 277 00:18:07,839 --> 00:18:15,359 of now, California is permanently blue, you know. So then 278 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:20,240 the Supreme Court steps in and reverses it, you know. 279 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,119 But the follow up two years later was Prop. Two nine, 280 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:32,519 which was euphimistically branded the California Civil Rights Initiative, which 281 00:18:32,599 --> 00:18:35,720 basically it was basically like the quota ban that was 282 00:18:35,759 --> 00:18:39,279 floated by people like Jesse Helms like federally, but it 283 00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:45,880 went further and it amended the California Constitution. It prohibited 284 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:55,359 like any state government institution from considering identitarian category's like race, sex, ethnicity, 285 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,039 national origin like it. They had to be like totally 286 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:04,200 blind and and they're hiring in their contracting and allocation 287 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:10,240 of education resources college admissions. And this was a big deal. 288 00:19:10,279 --> 00:19:13,720 It was authored by these two like sociologists, these two 289 00:19:13,759 --> 00:19:18,400 academic types, you know, and they did that because that 290 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,640 way opponents of it couldn't come out and say like, well, 291 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,400 this is a cynical xenophobic ploy. It's like no, they 292 00:19:25,519 --> 00:19:30,599 really dotted their eyes and crossed the proverbial teas. This 293 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,799 was the first referendum on affirmative action, like true referendum. 294 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:39,799 You know, it passed with fifty five percent, and once again, 295 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:43,920 like the entire state like went for it. 296 00:19:44,599 --> 00:19:44,799 Speaker 2: You know. 297 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 3: It was the same basic breakdown as Prop one eighty seven. 298 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 2: You know. 299 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:53,839 Speaker 3: So it's like so what so what exactly is happening here? 300 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: You know, and the. 301 00:19:59,519 --> 00:20:05,079 Speaker 3: Record, so the open borders crowd, you know, was the 302 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:10,960 shop around for a federal judge who'd repudiated and uh, 303 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:18,519 Pete Wilson. Pete Wilson was willing to fight in the 304 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:24,359 in the federal courts, but when Grey Davis replaced him, 305 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,359 like like Davis basically just uh he basically with the 306 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,759 appeal died just by like refusal to take action on it, 307 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:39,799 you know. And so once again, I remember at the 308 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:44,480 time and people were still banding this a decade later, 309 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:51,759 during like Obama's campaign, like oh this this was the 310 00:20:51,839 --> 00:20:55,000 last gasp of white America and conservatives. It's like, what 311 00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:57,839 the hell are you talking about? Like it's like every 312 00:20:57,839 --> 00:21:00,880 time one of these, every time one of these referendums 313 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:05,240 comes up, it passes by super majority, and basically, you know, 314 00:21:05,319 --> 00:21:09,119 basically like the Ninth Circuit intervenes to like undo the mandate. 315 00:21:09,759 --> 00:21:14,960 I mean, like that's not you know, and of course too, 316 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,519 I mean obviously, like a like a substantial number of 317 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:22,839 Hispanics like voted for these initiatives, you know, like this 318 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:27,920 idea that oh, Hispanics want to compete with illegal aliens 319 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:33,319 for you know, for for for jobs, and they're totally 320 00:21:33,599 --> 00:21:37,400 cool with wages being bottomed out, and they're totally fine 321 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,920 with you know, paying property taxes to you know, to 322 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,920 provide like daycare and grade school for for random people 323 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,160 who hass the border. Like why that's ridiculous, you know, 324 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:56,279 I mean that, you know, so it and that's what 325 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,960 should have been that that's what should have like allowed 326 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,559 people to allow the verbial scales to fall from their eyes. 327 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,359 You know, even if you're one of these deluded people 328 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,880 who thinks that like the Republican Party is somehow like 329 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:17,279 synonymous with like white American opinion, or even if you 330 00:22:17,319 --> 00:22:24,000 think that the way to you know, diagnose the the 331 00:22:24,039 --> 00:22:27,480 political culture of any locale is like by how the 332 00:22:27,559 --> 00:22:30,880 Republican Party is doing. I mean, that's that's fucking ridiculous. 333 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:38,000 But even if the rebuttal is well what's the alternative metric. 334 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:40,920 It's like, well, in California, it's right here because they've 335 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:48,000 got this constitutionally mandated referendum structure or system. So there 336 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:54,799 you go. You know, like we talked about when last 337 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:59,400 week convene, you know, for to talk about this series. 338 00:22:59,440 --> 00:22:59,759 Speaker 2: It was. 339 00:23:04,079 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 3: From nineteen fifty two to nineteen eighty eight, every presidential 340 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,039 election but one went Republican, and more often than not, 341 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:20,880 it was a landslide, you know, and then suddenly, suddenly 342 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,920 after nineteen eighty eight, you know, the Republicans always lose, 343 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,440 the always lose California in the presidential election, and it's 344 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:31,880 always by ten points or more. Like that's not a 345 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,680 statistical impossibility obviously, But that doesn't really make any sense, 346 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:42,279 you know, because there was no there was no there 347 00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:46,279 was no transition period. It's just like one day this changed, supposedly, 348 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,680 and not only did it change, but it's like now 349 00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:55,920 California can never be a swing state. It's just always blue, 350 00:23:56,599 --> 00:23:58,440 you know, it just can never be flipped. 351 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:00,279 Speaker 2: You know this not. 352 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 3: That that doesn't make any sense. You know, there's a obviously, 353 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,960 California is like the single greatest electoral prize if you 354 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:21,400 had an actually competitive system, Like, no matter how solidly 355 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:31,799 in like actual organic terms, California was aligned in partisan capacities. Obviously, 356 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,079 in an actually competitive system, you campaign your ass off 357 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:39,880 in California to try to flip it, because anywhere can 358 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:43,079 be flipped, even if it's just a single issue like 359 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,799 this idea that, oh, this is a safe state, so 360 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,039 it can't be flipped. That's ridiculous, that's soviet, you know, 361 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,480 like why that it metaphysically you can't be flipped, Like 362 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:58,680 what does it even mean? You know, the people should 363 00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,960 be smarter about that shit. 364 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: You know, it's and the only. 365 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: You know, and again too, I mean, like I said, 366 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:18,480 Schwarzenegger was an idiot, but the and he is an idiot, 367 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:23,160 but uh, you know, the whole the reason why, like 368 00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:29,240 his his campaign and his ultimate election that was that 369 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:32,160 was like the big Republican comeback. And again like the 370 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,240 only thing that campaign was built on was like single 371 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:40,160 issue immigration concerns, man, you know. And so it's like 372 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,359 and then every time something like this happens, whether it's 373 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,119 Prop onety seven, whether it's Prop two nine, whether it's 374 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,039 you know, ad Middle East, you know, he's an idiot. 375 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:52,160 But like somebody like Schwarzenegger getting elected, or whether it's 376 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,160 you know, a sudden like massive uptick and like support 377 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,839 for Trump, like and so oh, this is the last 378 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:02,160 gasp of white America and conservatives. It's like like like 379 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,920 every ten years there's like another last gasp. I mean, 380 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,559 like I don't you know, and like I said, I 381 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,240 I don't. I I stipulate that there's been this like 382 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:19,599 massive capital flight, but such that there is any says 383 00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:22,519 that there is like any any, any equity remaining in California. 384 00:26:23,559 --> 00:26:28,799 It's you know, it's it's it's the it's the vestige 385 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,240 of white population that's responsible for that. I mean, it's 386 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,839 just like a fact. I don't if if if they 387 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,079 if they truly get chased out, there's kind of no 388 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,359 more California. You know, nobody really wants that to be 389 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:47,039 a self fulfilling prophecy, like they don't, you know, and 390 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:52,640 obviously they don't because again, like it's not, it's not, 391 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:55,640 it's not. 392 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: It's not. 393 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,759 Speaker 3: It's not some Spanish guy who's you know, talking about 394 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,279 a more dignified life for migrant farm workers, who's he's 395 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:10,079 like he's like leading the California Democrats. It's uh, it's 396 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:14,480 Gavin Newsome, he's like a caricature of uh, the caricature 397 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:21,440 that's some douchey old money, you know, social registered type. 398 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:22,079 Speaker 2: You know. 399 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,839 Speaker 3: So, I mean, none of this is really by the metrics, 400 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,039 by by its own metrics, it doesn't it doesn't track 401 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,559 with anything, you know, And. 402 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:50,759 Speaker 2: I, uh, yeah, the that's the. 403 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,039 Speaker 3: That's the core of Ah, that's the core of the issue. 404 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:01,519 And it's also to something that peak don't. I don't 405 00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:09,440 know what. I've had a hard time finding meaningful data 406 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,680 sets on this, but in the later nineties through I 407 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:21,039 think about two thousand and three, about one hundred thousand 408 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:28,960 self identified white Californians were leaving a year, and people 409 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:33,119 claim this is what was responsible. This is primarily responsible 410 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:40,400 for Asians capturing a bigger slice the verbial demographic pie 411 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:50,240 in terms of overall relative population numbers. But that seems 412 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,960 to have stabilized. I mean, California is still hemorrhaging people. 413 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:03,000 But it's also these these minority populations as they're called, 414 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,279 you know, they're they're not monolithically left wing like quite 415 00:29:08,319 --> 00:29:13,400 the contrary, you know, and. 416 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,319 Speaker 2: If you look at. 417 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 3: In terms of income and assets, you know, I find 418 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,680 it hard to believe that a bunch of Taiwanese and 419 00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:37,119 Koreans and Japanese Americans in California are really really enthusiastic about, 420 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,440 you know, voting for for for some like permanent you know, 421 00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:47,480 social justice regime out there. You know, it's just not 422 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,920 it just doesn't track man And maybe I think this 423 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:58,720 is somewhat difficult for people to fully grasp who haven't 424 00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:04,559 spent time there, because it is a strange state culturally 425 00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:11,200 and in every other way. But you have to spend 426 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,960 time at a fully grass But it's not a liberal 427 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:21,240 state culturally. You know, it's very segregated, it's very there's 428 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:28,079 a very sharp there's a very sharply defined distance between 429 00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:31,759 people who are well off, and we're not far more 430 00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:33,240 so than here, for example. 431 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 2: You know, So any. 432 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:51,519 Speaker 3: Any kind of effort reconfigure or socially engineer the political 433 00:30:51,519 --> 00:30:55,680 culture there, it would very much be an edifice that 434 00:30:56,359 --> 00:31:01,400 isn't really propped up by anything. But I reckon jerry mandering, 435 00:31:01,599 --> 00:31:05,599 which will take you fairly far in at the state 436 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,480 level in a in a corrupt system. 437 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,559 Speaker 2: But it's not. 438 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 3: It's not it's not sustainable, and it's it's certainly not 439 00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:22,799 some spontaneous development, you know. And the point I make 440 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,160 that's talking to Jay Burden about this on our last 441 00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:34,039 Radio Free Chicago episode, I don't I don't understand whether 442 00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:38,440 Republican Party still exists, Like why why does it Premier 443 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,119 League exist? You know, that's not really precedented in America 444 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:47,880 for the for for party systems, you know, to exist 445 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,640 in perpetuity. I mean, just like it doesn't really have 446 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:57,359 mechanics anymore, like the Republicans don't. But even if that 447 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:02,000 weren't the case, it really doesn't have a context in California, 448 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,720 you know. So again, that's a really piss poor metric 449 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:14,400 for trying to discern the mood of the culture in 450 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,000 terms of political values. If if like your your canary 451 00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,440 in the mind proverbially is like how the Republicans are doing, 452 00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,519 I mean that doesn't really mean anything. You know, Like 453 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,400 if I, if I live in a truly battleground state, 454 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:34,039 I'd vote for Donald Trump. But I fucking hate the 455 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:39,720 Republicans and I'm by by the by American standards, I'm 456 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,920 pretty right wing, okay, I'd uh, I'd rather have a 457 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,680 root canal than like vote for the Republicans, you know, 458 00:32:47,799 --> 00:32:52,640 like they're Vegas like it, so that that doesn't really 459 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,759 tell us anything. And and plus two, I mean even 460 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:02,400 beyond that, beyond any kind of like ethical objection, like 461 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,960 what are the like, like what are the Republicans done 462 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,359 for California? Like the nomine idiots like Schwarzenegger, they don't. 463 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,279 You don't even get like tash relief from him in California, 464 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,599 you know, and like any time that they don't, they 465 00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:22,759 don't have the stones too, they don't like like like again, 466 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:29,119 I mean Wilson, he mounted like a kind of token 467 00:33:30,319 --> 00:33:38,799 challenge when the Federal Circuit overturned overturned proper onety seven. 468 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:40,960 But I mean they don't even like deliver on that stuff. 469 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,799 They don't even go through the motions. So it's like 470 00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:48,960 even if you know, even if you were inclined to 471 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,799 be like a GOP loyalist, like there's no percentage in 472 00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,319 that in California because they never deliver on anything, you know, 473 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:03,000 So you're better off, you know, place like Tom Metzger said, 474 00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:06,519 like when Metzger during his brief career, weren't even like 475 00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,960 running for Congress and stuff, and he actually did pretty well. 476 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,519 It's an interesting story in its own right. But you 477 00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:14,000 know Metzger generally ran as a Democrat, because like, what 478 00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:16,920 difference does it make? It doesn't you know. 479 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 2: It? 480 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's it's a very it's very it's very imprecise. 481 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:32,559 And I go as far to say dishonest. You know 482 00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:36,760 now that I expect a lot of integrity from it's 483 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:43,480 kind of superficial sociology that supposedly deciphers the meaning of 484 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,960 electoral patterns and things, you know, But in the case 485 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,920 of California, it's particularly dishonest to invoke the Republicans as 486 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,000 anything other than, you know, the official opposition. 487 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 2: But it also. 488 00:35:03,639 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: I was reading the other day and I can't remember 489 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,679 who it was. It might have been like William Lynn 490 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,119 Villin or someone like that was saying he does I 491 00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:14,760 think he was saying he doesn't think that, Like you 492 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,760 can even have a circulation of elites, like a new 493 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,760 class of people ruling until the dollar falls. So you ask, like, 494 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,119 how does the republic you know, why do we still 495 00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:29,320 have the Republican? I mean, can anything really change until 496 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:37,280 there's a like a drastic a drastic cause something like 497 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,039 a dollar failure, which has never happened. And Stormy says 498 00:35:41,079 --> 00:35:42,119 it's not going to happen. 499 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,559 Speaker 3: It does, Like people talk about how it's going to 500 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,440 be like a punctuated event like the crash of twenty 501 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:52,000 nine like that that wouldn't happen. And again it's the 502 00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:58,559 systems too rubberized and information awareness and and this literally 503 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,239 like the velocity of Dad like would preclude it. No, no, 504 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,000 I I agree with the fact that I I understand. 505 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:12,480 I understand exactly why there's it's like a closed circle, 506 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,119 you know, like the circulation of the leads as it were. 507 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,920 But like this like this like totally out of date branding, 508 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:22,159 like oh, this is the Republican Party. All the Republicans 509 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:25,280 were the committee to elect Abraham Lincoln. Then they became 510 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,280 like the America First Party, like post reconstruction, like the 511 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:31,920 party in Northern industry, and then they became like the 512 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,440 Cold War Hawk Party, which didn't make a lot of 513 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,840 sense in legacy terms. But it's like why why are 514 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,519 we still talking in these terms? You know, like it 515 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:45,000 doesn't it doesn't really make sense. I mean, diddo, how diddo? 516 00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,480 How How Like in the U K's like the Labor Party, 517 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,920 like what what what like the laborers are they representing? 518 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,760 You know, it's you'd think that there would have been 519 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,719 like a rebranding or they in America, they do a 520 00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,199 way because America because like Repulicans aren't a party, you know. 521 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,400 I mean there's that too. You would think that, especially 522 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,920 after you would think that after Rule War too, especially 523 00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,159 after the Cold War. You think that it'd be like, Okay, 524 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:15,119 here's the president. You know, here's like his loyalists. This 525 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:17,840 is like the ruling coalition, and this is the opposition, 526 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,519 Like where are they the Democrats? 527 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:20,000 Speaker 2: Like that? 528 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 3: That's what's hurted. You know that there are a bunch 529 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,639 of people like Andrew Jackson really like I take some 530 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:29,440 exception to that. 531 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:35,159 Speaker 1: But well and well they it seems to just be 532 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:40,360 holding onto ideology. So you the party adopts an ideology, 533 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,280 whether it's a good ideology or not, whether it's coherence 534 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,840 or not, and that keeps that keeps a certain portion 535 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,920 of the yea of the population on one side or 536 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,519 the other. Oh we believe, you know, we're fit. We're 537 00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:03,599 we're fiscally conservative, but you know, culturally liberal over here 538 00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,920 in the Republican side and on the Democrat side, you 539 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,199 can be completely nuts and do anything you want. It's 540 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,480 just it seems like it's just to keep people, you know, motivated, 541 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:17,719 to keep this thing moving. 542 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 2: Existence. 543 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's important, not because it's not. It's important 544 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,119 not to confuse people. So it's just familiarity that like 545 00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:30,360 sustains it. But it I I think it's very strange. 546 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:35,880 I mean that's one of the I I haven't published 547 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,039 it yet, but I did a write up on James 548 00:38:38,079 --> 00:38:40,960 Webb because I reread his novel Fields of Fire, which 549 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,960 is one of my favorite novels. The web was an 550 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,760 important guy in the later Cold War, and he also 551 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,840 he takes uh like the center uh like Ulster Scott 552 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,599 identity seriously and I appreciate that. But you know, like 553 00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,400 Web ran as a Democrat, you know, like later like 554 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,320 after he left the Senate, because he's like, what what 555 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:06,519 is it? Why why am I a Republican? Like why 556 00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,000 why would a southern white guy like run as a Republican? 557 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,880 It's asinine, and like people understand what he was talking about, 558 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,920 and unfortunately is his campaign was kind of dead in 559 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:18,320 the water. 560 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:19,039 Speaker 2: I mean he. 561 00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,679 Speaker 3: I like what he did in the Senate, but I 562 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,880 he kind of lost his way I think in tactical 563 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,320 terms subsequent. But he was but he was absolutely right 564 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,320 about that, you know, it's it doesn't It doesn't make 565 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,440 any sense, you know, if I I mean I'd never 566 00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:41,159 I like I was talking to one of the fellas. 567 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 2: We were on the road. 568 00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:45,880 Speaker 3: I mean like I I'd never run for office, but 569 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,559 if I did ease where I'm at, I'd run as 570 00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,960 a Democrat, you know, because that's just what you do here. 571 00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,800 You know, Like, does that mean I does? I mean, 572 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,679 I'm suddenly like I become like gay and like open borders, 573 00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:04,960 like you know, it's a yeah, shit doesn't make any sense, 574 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:05,519 but it's. 575 00:40:06,039 --> 00:40:08,159 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, politics is supposed to be a tool. 576 00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,760 So if you run as a Democrat, you're supposed to 577 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,639 be using a tool, wielding a tool. Why does a 578 00:40:13,679 --> 00:40:15,800 tool have to have an ideology attached to it? 579 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,360 Speaker 3: Well, especially it's not even a party. I mean it's 580 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,159 like the whole you're a party if you have dues, 581 00:40:22,159 --> 00:40:27,039 paying members, if there's some apparatus in place like enforces consensus. 582 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,199 There's an actual party manifesto and platform I and if 583 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,599 you don't abide it, you get kicked out of the party. 584 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,719 Like there's not like a Republican party, You're like a 585 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,960 Democrat party. I mean, arguably you can't have a political 586 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,760 party in a system where there's single member districts and 587 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,480 and and a winner take all like electoral paradigm, because 588 00:40:49,519 --> 00:40:54,480 like how could you you know, it's the whole as designed, 589 00:40:55,679 --> 00:41:00,760 you know, the the constitutionally mandated electoral system. It's it's 590 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,280 basically set up to like prevent the emergence of parties. 591 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,519 Speaker 2: So yeah, there's. 592 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,079 Speaker 3: That's why it's goofy as hell when when these kosh 593 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:16,360 are cons and and and these cringe fucking people like 594 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:18,880 just the Democrat Party, you see, it's like what what 595 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,639 is the Democrat Party? Like what like who'd dues? Paying members? 596 00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:27,199 Like what's it's what's it's what's its official like platform? 597 00:41:27,559 --> 00:41:30,400 Like none of these things exist, you know. It's just 598 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,079 it's just like Rando is saying, like, yeah, we're the Democrats, 599 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,239 and in some way, yeah, like what what's called the Democrats? 600 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,360 They're they're like they're like the official ruling party, you know, 601 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,199 and and the Republicans of the FAU opposition. But it's 602 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:47,239 like okay, so then say that, like say that like 603 00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,599 again like whoever the president is and whoever is loyalists 604 00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:54,239 are Okay, they're you know, this is the ruling coalition, 605 00:41:54,639 --> 00:41:57,599 like everybody outside of that is the opposition, you know. 606 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that also that also points to like how 607 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,519 you can't really have a party without an ideology. And 608 00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:07,719 whenever somebody comes along with like okay, well here in ideology, 609 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,559 like the palaeocons did, like in the early nineties, you 610 00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:12,920 have to kick them out because it's like, no, we 611 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,559 can't have an ideology here. We have to be whatever 612 00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,840 we need to be at this one from moment to moment, 613 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:24,320 which makes sense, which makes sense in a in a 614 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,000 structure where you're just trying to get elected and you 615 00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:29,280 just want political power. But if you're actually going to 616 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,519 be a coalition like a party or something like that, 617 00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:34,280 you're going to need an ideology. So all ideology has 618 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:35,079 to go out the window. 619 00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,320 Speaker 3: No, and that's what that was the reason for like 620 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,960 the coup against Nixon, you know, and I and that 621 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,679 because that's exactly what Wallas did, Like wall is basically forced, 622 00:42:44,079 --> 00:42:47,079 which is incredible because he basically got like he basically 623 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:50,119 forced like Yankee Republicans like take on or he viewed 624 00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:53,039 as like the essential aspects, so like the you know, 625 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:58,079 the Dixie cred play it like manifesto, albeit they were 626 00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:01,920 like moderated somewhat, but like that's exactly what he did. 627 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:04,360 It's then like the deep state shit, it's pants and 628 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,199 they're like this cannot be allowed to happen. 629 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:07,360 Speaker 2: You know. 630 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 3: Trump's a little bit different, but it's it's the same 631 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,159 tendency like on display. But it's what I'm curious about. 632 00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:19,280 I mean, this is a similarly another show. 633 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:20,039 Speaker 2: I mean the. 634 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,280 Speaker 3: Go straight too far afield from the topical focus, but 635 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,679 you know, as there's this weird paradigm emerging where like 636 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,559 complex interdependence, like true globalism on the economic side is 637 00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:37,880 like the permanent reality, but in terms of self governance, 638 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,719 like it's it's all going to be local and uh, 639 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,960 you're gonna see, you're gonna see, you're gonna see like 640 00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,840 cities and even like at state level like systems emerging 641 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,760 where they basically have like what amounts of proportional representation 642 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,679 system and like all the name and you're you're're gonna 643 00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:00,400 see the emergence like real party structures and if they're 644 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:06,519 not called that did they echoes of that in a 645 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,599 lot of municipalities, which I paid more attention to because 646 00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,280 like in Illinois, it's weird and like the outlying areas, 647 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,280 especially south, especially south and especially northwards like Detroit. We're 648 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,920 all we're all kind of the same, like sociological ecosystem 649 00:44:21,039 --> 00:44:25,920 and like good ways in bed. But you know, there's 650 00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:32,199 there's a kind of a di y and ethical secessionists 651 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,719 the tenden't see a foot Like I'm not saying people 652 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,840 want to like formally secede, but the fact though they 653 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,480 kind of are, and there's a lot of that goes 654 00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:46,199 into that, everything from what you know what technical like 655 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:52,199 consumer technology facilitates to traditional ideas about policing and law 656 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,360 and order kind of going by the wayside, and you know, 657 00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:59,119 people being able to make money in non traditional ways. 658 00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:00,840 And I mean that that. I mean, that's like my 659 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,480 bread and butter. That's what I'm trying to accomplish. And 660 00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:06,800 I I think that's going quite splendidly, I might add, 661 00:45:08,199 --> 00:45:13,440 but you know that's that's the future. So a lot 662 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,239 of some of this is gonna take care of itself. 663 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,559 But I am says the California then, because like I said, 664 00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:23,039 I it's very positive especially among young people like zoomer 665 00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:27,960 people and like a little younger like they they don't 666 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:30,360 like they they look at legacy media is being totally 667 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,599 full of shit. You know, they're not susceptible to the 668 00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,199 bully pulpit, like the what remains of it, But for 669 00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,159 some reason it's still got the capacity these like legacy, 670 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,400 this legacy apparatus taken like in total it's you know, 671 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,840 it's it's it's like man made weather, you know, that's 672 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:53,440 the quote from the movie. And people say take it 673 00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,800 face to value, like, oh, this is what the electro 674 00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,639 map is, you know, like California is just like safe blue. 675 00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:01,599 It's like, no, it's not man You've got stuff thinking 676 00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:08,440 that way. That's not reality, you know. And uh, it's 677 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,119 not just about like being right or kind of like 678 00:46:11,159 --> 00:46:15,400 thumbing your nose at this, you know, kind of pitiable 679 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:22,880 octogenary and tyranny. You know, it's important because this this 680 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:27,000 is built on an edifice of evinent falsehoods, you know. 681 00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:29,760 And that's that's that's what Soucial Nation and can say 682 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,880 with the Soviet Union, it'd be like it's not as 683 00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,239 that the Soviet Union brutalizes people and like it sends 684 00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,719 them to these Arctic death camps, or that it punishes 685 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,960 you for putting God over a man. I mean that 686 00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:44,320 that's obviously that those are like very evil things. But 687 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,000 he's like it forces you to like accept a lie, 688 00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:51,400 and if you accept a lie is long enough and 689 00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,159 it's kind of like abide to them. Like pretty soon 690 00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:56,679 you start lying to yourself, you know, pretty soon you 691 00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,960 kind of lose not just the ability but any injuring, 692 00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,320 you know, behaving as a rational adult. You know, like 693 00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,480 even in the conversations, you have yourself and that's kind 694 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,119 of that that's kind of the ultimate like the self 695 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,960 conditioning towards slavery. 696 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:16,199 Speaker 2: You know. 697 00:47:18,199 --> 00:47:21,639 Speaker 3: That's why I I I hammer home the point about 698 00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:23,599 the twenty twenty steal. It's not because like I care 699 00:47:23,599 --> 00:47:25,599 as much about Donald Trump, because I don't care about 700 00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,360 Donald Trump, you know. And it's it's not because like 701 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:34,679 I I care so much about you know, arguing with 702 00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,760 like infertainment adult morons. It's because you know, you you 703 00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,840 can't just like accept like abject whys at face value, 704 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:46,639 or like act like it's not important because it is important, 705 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,840 you know, categories of minor categories of reality, like this 706 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:56,159 idea that like well if i'm if you know, hypothetically 707 00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:59,519 counter fixedly, I'm an authority, So I mean it's kind 708 00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,039 of like an event concept for reality is because it's 709 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:05,639 it's a noble lie like, no, that's not acceptable, you know, 710 00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:11,199 and any no rational like no rational adult like whatever 711 00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:14,960 is creed or race, but especially a white person like 712 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,199 should not think that way even for a minute. 713 00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:20,239 Speaker 2: You know. 714 00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,559 Speaker 3: It's not that's not the way. That's not the way 715 00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:30,000 free men with agency think, you know. But that was yeah, 716 00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:31,920 for even kind of like sermonizing. Man, I'm just like 717 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,880 I said, I'm just I'm just really tired today. I don't 718 00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,639 makes me sound way, but it's all. 719 00:48:38,159 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 2: It's all good. 720 00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:41,679 Speaker 1: I led the discussion. And you know, one of the 721 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,760 things you're when you talk about like local more local 722 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,199 kind of and regional politics usually when you get more 723 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,239 rural like around here, really the only thing that people 724 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,679 talk about when it comes to the whole discussions about 725 00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,880 national politics are how it's going to affect us. It's like, 726 00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,760 how how is it going to interrupt our lives? How's 727 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,679 it going to screw us up? It's not like, oh, 728 00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,320 we want this done for us, you know, we we 729 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,000 need we need them to come do this for us. No, 730 00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:17,239 it's like, how how is this going to infringe upon us? 731 00:49:17,679 --> 00:49:21,440 Speaker 3: We's something too Yeah, No, and that's when I when 732 00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,199 I was on in Baltimore, when I starting out to 733 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,000 Harper's Theory on the weekends. That's like the way the 734 00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,199 culture was. Like I made friends with like the local 735 00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,119 police and stuff like it was pretty much, uh, you know, 736 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,239 a different way of life. And I didn't make friends 737 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:36,840 with like the coppers because like I want to, I 738 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,639 want to hang out with flat floids because that way 739 00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,960 they like they were used to seeing me and like 740 00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,159 my lady friend and rather buddy and they they you know, 741 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:49,639 they just it was just it's you know, politics of 742 00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,119 a of a certain of its own of it of 743 00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:52,840 its own type. 744 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:53,159 Speaker 2: You know. 745 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 3: That's also why like I'm I'm gonna start, you know, 746 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:04,039 spending the winter mon in Lynchburg, because that's exactly Yeah, 747 00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:06,719 that's exactly the kind of culture I want to I 748 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,679 want to cultivate. And I mean it's that I I 749 00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:15,320 like the South anyway because it's awesome, but you know, 750 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,960 that's that's the future. And like one of the reasons 751 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,559 when I write Amtrak is it's not just because I'm 752 00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,400 I don't like flying and I feel like Jacques who 753 00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,480 Still's cat when I'm in a plane and find it 754 00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:29,960 like it like terrorizes me. But but if you like 755 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,079 when you write the answer that you realize how much 756 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,239 there still remains like vast amounts of like just wide 757 00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,960 open space in America and like even with like you know, 758 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,280 with telecom and the electric I been truly piquitous, you know, 759 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,159 like in America, unlike in Europe. I'm like in Japan, 760 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,840 I'm like in you know, Argentina. You know, you the 761 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:56,320 regime is like somewhat just like limited by physical distance, 762 00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,800 by what it can do to you. I mean obviously, 763 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,400 unless you're doing crazy things or you know, like like 764 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,440 like like whipping up massive like pounds of fentanyl or 765 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,800 metama fetamine and like you know, like sticking up like 766 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,239 millions of dollars and ill gotten gains or something. I mean, yeah, 767 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:20,920 there's there are limits, and there's certainly there certainly acts 768 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,239 no missions that will like cause the regime to like 769 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,039 go all out and come after you. But I mean, 770 00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:31,800 failing those sorts of things, you know, you can you can, 771 00:51:32,159 --> 00:51:36,039 within reason, do what you want, and it's basically like 772 00:51:36,159 --> 00:51:39,039 not gonna be worth it to the state to like 773 00:51:39,119 --> 00:51:41,760 try and fuck with you, you know, and like people 774 00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,320 that's something they take for granted, I don't think people 775 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,960 realize how vast this country is, and they do, like intellectually, 776 00:51:50,199 --> 00:51:55,800 not really, I think they don't realize that there's you know, 777 00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,079 like stress Or one of the few things I think 778 00:51:58,119 --> 00:52:04,599 Gregor stress Or said that was intelgen despite uh, despite 779 00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:09,960 his sympathy for arguably a sympathy for communism, and despite 780 00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:15,079 hiss uh kind of autocratic paradigm. You know, you talk 781 00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,199 about like Year of one Thousand Flags and it was 782 00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:24,440 like all about like kind of distributed socialism, and you know, 783 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,599 there is I do understand the appeal of that they're 784 00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:30,800 they're wrong, I think in there and the way they 785 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,639 conceptualize economics, but that that's not real far from what 786 00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,719 I'm trying to accomplish in like ethical terms, you know, 787 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,239 although it shakes out differently. But yeah, no, that that's 788 00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,760 why these are exciting times, man, because these objectives are 789 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:48,639 being a reached. In twenty twenty five is when I 790 00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:51,360 am gonna make you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna snowbird 791 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:56,719 down in Lynchburg. And that's that's not just exciting because 792 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,800 I like it down there and our friends are there, 793 00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,199 but that's kind of gonna that's kind of gonna be 794 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,679 like my base of operations for some of this stuff, 795 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,239 you know, and like if you build it, like they 796 00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,800 will come, you know, like in the in the like 797 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,000 in the movie where Kevin Costner's like playing baseball the 798 00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:17,119 ghost to Shoeless Joe. I can't remember what it's called, 799 00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:21,719 but yeah, you know, yeah yeah, which which seems like 800 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,800 kind of I And so some people think that's like 801 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,840 a hockey movie, but like I like baseball a lot, 802 00:53:28,039 --> 00:53:30,559 you know, and uh that that's actually like a really 803 00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:31,079 good movie. 804 00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:33,199 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's a wholesome. 805 00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,800 Speaker 1: It's a wholesome story that we don't really hear a 806 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,719 lot about anymore. 807 00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:40,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, And baseball is chill man like it's and 808 00:53:40,199 --> 00:53:43,039 like to me, the pigskin game is king. But I, 809 00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,199 especially when I'm ill, sayving a whole lot of anxiety 810 00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:50,320 and stuff like right, uh, when I got back online, 811 00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:54,880 like this twenty twenty baseball season, I I actually became 812 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,000 like a Red Sox fan too, Like the Red Socks 813 00:53:58,079 --> 00:54:01,239 had an interesting lineup that year. Like watching baseball like 814 00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,519 chills you out, at least I always thought, so, I 815 00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:07,679 mean maybe not so much. You gotta wager around, but 816 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:13,719 I don't know, I bet On Sportsbook. But no, yeah, 817 00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,719 this this was great. Man, forgive me if it was 818 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:22,119 those two tangential I'm kind of conversational, but I, like 819 00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,280 I said, I my energy levels aren't quite recovered yet, 820 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,079 although I feel good and last night was kind of 821 00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,760 a late night going to New Year's. 822 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:34,519 Speaker 1: All Right, man, do some quick plugs. 823 00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:35,519 Speaker 2: We'll get well it. 824 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of on a hiatus from the pod 825 00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,719 because we just wrapped up season two. I'm I'm gonna 826 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,119 aim to February first at the latest. It's probably gonna 827 00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:51,320 be like the last week in January that like the 828 00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:56,880 season three open earl drop. But in the introim, I'm 829 00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:02,519 recording other stuff with other people's including you know, with 830 00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:09,159 the stuff we're doing. But so so, my substick remains active. 831 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,920 It's real Thomas seven seven seven. That's substack dot com. 832 00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:18,320 Other than that, hit up my website. That's like the 833 00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:25,199 one stop location from my content. It's number seven h 834 00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:30,199 as seven seven seven dot com. And you can find 835 00:55:30,199 --> 00:55:33,400 my social media links and stuff there, like I'm on X, 836 00:55:33,599 --> 00:55:37,280 I'm on an Instagram, I'm launching I launched a new 837 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,639 t gram channel. There's not gonna be like a discussion 838 00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,840 aspect because I just get bumpbarded with like ops and 839 00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:49,000 like gross like porn bullshit and other shit I don't 840 00:55:49,039 --> 00:55:54,119 want to be available to. But I'm gonna start. I'm 841 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,400 gonna try, and i'm gonna I'm gonna start like uploading 842 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,440 some more like video content and a lot of that's 843 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,400 gonna find it's way to the t gram channel, so 844 00:56:01,599 --> 00:56:02,239 be where it's at. 845 00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all I got for an 846 00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:20,079 Speaker 1: All right, thank you till the next one.