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<v Speaker 1>Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans, troops.

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<v Speaker 2>That have been to war and now they're back and

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<v Speaker 2>think and be grateful for their service, sacrifice, love for

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<v Speaker 2>their country, just unselfishness, all that they do for us.

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<v Speaker 3>There are some people in this country who take extraordinary

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<v Speaker 3>steps to provide for the freedom and security.

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<v Speaker 1>We forget that those people exist. We know them as

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<v Speaker 1>the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard. They

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<v Speaker 1>call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors, devil.

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<v Speaker 4>Dogs, and so much more.

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<v Speaker 1>We call them fathers, brothers, sons and husbands, mothers, daughters,

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<v Speaker 1>sisters and wives. We call them friend and neighbor. These

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<v Speaker 1>veterans answered the call, now we answer theirs. They are

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<v Speaker 1>the best our country has to offer.

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<v Speaker 2>And we love them.

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<v Speaker 1>Today, we honor them and we serve them. David Malsby

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<v Speaker 1>of veterans, as together we are building the road to hope.

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<v Speaker 2>glad to have a couple events in the studio with us.

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<v Speaker 2>We got Kenneth's back. Who Kenneth likes to smile and

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<v Speaker 2>not talk. We're gonna see if we can get him

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to day. Kenneth. How are we doing?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing good today.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to remind the world who you are, where

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<v Speaker 2>you're from, where you serve that kind of wonderful thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, my name is Kenneth Matthews. I'm from dun

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<v Speaker 3>North Carolina. I served in the Army National Guard out

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<v Speaker 3>of North Carolina for eight years. Deployed twice, once to

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<v Speaker 3>to Kuwait, Kyrkistan and Afghanistan and that was in twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, great to have you back. Thank you, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you actually speaking words. That was good. Well, we also

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<v Speaker 2>have one of the gentlemen that's in our program at

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<v Speaker 2>Camp Hope right now. We'll talk a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>that in the course of the show. But Rico, you

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<v Speaker 2>want to tell the world who you are, where you're from.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of good thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, thank you. My name is Jesse Rico. I'm from Belvidere, Illinois.

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<v Speaker 5>I deployed with the one seventy second Striker Gay Combat

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<v Speaker 5>Team with Bravo Company one seventeen out of Fort Waynwright,

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<v Speaker 5>Alaska to Mozoul for a year, and then was extended

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<v Speaker 5>to Baghdad for ale was like four more months, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was infantryman slash mortarman. But yeah, now I'm residing Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>To me again, where you were originally from?

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<v Speaker 5>Belvidere, Illinois, right side right outside from Chicago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, no of fence. But Chicago is just not my

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<v Speaker 2>favorite town in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>You like it not too much?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, well, thank you. Yeah, Like I've been there

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<v Speaker 2>a few times and I keep thinking there's gotta be

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<v Speaker 5>Good, the food's good. Well, that's about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're in Houston, so I don't need to hear about that.

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<v Speaker 2>We got food running out our ears around here. Good food.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, yeah, and I guess that's what I've heard.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's this one. I guess this pier or something

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<v Speaker 2>that's like all the weird people from out of state

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<v Speaker 2>go to, like, eh, tourist trap sounds it's like it's

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<v Speaker 2>like San Antonio's the riverwalks, like it's the last place

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<v Speaker 2>far away from that. Uh so yeah, no fence, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there a few times. I keep them, where's

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<v Speaker 2>the h I don't I don't get it. That's okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>some people love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people are right, some people are wrong. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's just how it is. But you're in Houston now,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>How long kids? My kids resided San Antonio?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, very cool.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but I'm in Houston.

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<v Speaker 2>How long have you been in Houston?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh? Two years?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? All right? What brought you to Houston?

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<v Speaker 5>I came to the program the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that was what brought you the first time. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, got you, all right, We're gonna take a

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<v Speaker 2>quick break. We wanna give you our phone number eight

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<v Speaker 2>day or night. All right, We're gonna take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 2>Right back with more a road to Hoe Radio, and

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<v Speaker 2>we welcome you back road to Hope Radio. Glad to

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<v Speaker 2>have you along. We've got Kenneth, graduate of the program,

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<v Speaker 2>currently a staff member at the PTSD Foundation of America's

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<v Speaker 2>Interim Housing program we call Camp Hope here on the

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<v Speaker 2>north side of Houston. And we've got Rico, who originally

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<v Speaker 2>from Illinois, moved down here thankfully to the great state

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<v Speaker 2>of Texas and as currently a participant in our program

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<v Speaker 2>at Camp Hope. All right, So grew up in Illinois

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<v Speaker 2>outside of Chicago. Eventually joined the Army. Yes correct, out

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<v Speaker 2>of high school or the time in between.

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<v Speaker 5>I was trying to get out of a lifestyle, got you,

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<v Speaker 5>that was mixed with gangs and stuff to Mexico, stay

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<v Speaker 5>with my grandma. I met a girl, got got her pregnant,

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<v Speaker 5>then I got married. So once my daughter was born,

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<v Speaker 5>I realized, you know, I had to make a change.

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<v Speaker 5>So there was an opportunity and I and I took

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<v Speaker 5>it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>See, join the army and you were in how long? Again?

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<v Speaker 5>I have five years?

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<v Speaker 2>Five years the infantry. What year did you join?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it was two thousand and one.

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<v Speaker 2>One, so before nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 5>No, it was right after right after?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, join the army. How long was it before

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<v Speaker 2>you deployed?

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<v Speaker 5>Right after basic training? I got so quick. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 5>went right to a unit. I was in Anchorage, Alaska,

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<v Speaker 5>and then they moved me to Fairbanks, Alaska with the

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<v Speaker 5>Bravo Company one seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>How long were you in Fairbanks?

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<v Speaker 5>Eight years?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Eight years?

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<v Speaker 2>Yai. So I've been there once, but it was in July.

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<v Speaker 5>Training is very very cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yo, No, I can't do that. The summer's great summer

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<v Speaker 2>was fantastic, absolutely stunning. Went some did some salmon fishing. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>we're coming home. We're coming home, coming back to the hotel.

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<v Speaker 2>They're in Anchorage and it's like dusk and it was

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<v Speaker 2>before everybody had a cell phone, so I had no

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<v Speaker 2>idea what time it was, but it was dusk and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking something, it must be like nine or ten. Like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it was three thirty in the morning still, which that's okay.

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<v Speaker 2>The flip side of that, the winter like no, thank you, no, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you. Uh, I will pass on that. Yeah, how'd

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<v Speaker 2>you like that? Did you enjoy it up there?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean some people love that. I just it's just

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<v Speaker 2>not for me.

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<v Speaker 5>Once I got out of the military, I stayed there

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<v Speaker 5>to work with General Dynamics. I did DoD work and

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<v Speaker 5>I worked for a support trained soldiers to go down

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<v Speaker 5>range and strike her net. And I don't know I

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<v Speaker 5>enjoyed it. But my kid's mother, she was already fed

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<v Speaker 5>up with the whole changing. Twenty four hour darkness, twenty

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<v Speaker 5>four hours sunlight, so too cold?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what do you like the cold? Weakens say, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna make him talk. I will find a way to

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<v Speaker 2>make him talk. I actually like the cold, do you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't get real cold and done North Carolina. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean for long right.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, about thirty to forty threes doing the winter months.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which that's okay. If the sun shine, yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 4>I really expecien.

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<v Speaker 3>The cold was when of I was deployed to Kirkizstan

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<v Speaker 3>and when it sounds cold, oh yes, between mountains, it's uh.

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<v Speaker 4>When I landed, it was a negative twenty eight degrees.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, that's not fit for God nor beast

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<v Speaker 2>man beast, that's no.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't used to it at first, but it took about.

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<v Speaker 3>It took about a month and then you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>No, m hmm, nope, no, I'll pass. What was the

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I was on an air Force base.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh so you ate pretty good? Oh yes, I love

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<v Speaker 2>I hear this all the time, Like I know, some

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<v Speaker 4>I got in trouble, so they sent you to the

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<v Speaker 4>Air Force base because it was cold. No, nobody wanted

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<v Speaker 2>It to Okay, all right, but you had decent food.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, sir, I'm my own room.

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<v Speaker 2>That's more than you get at Camp Ho. Right, you

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<v Speaker 2>You've been working on that, which I think is cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well yeah, and fun. Did I mention it was fun?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it was half chicken fijeta and the other half

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<v Speaker 2>of ranch dressing. It was dressing. Uh so I was

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, I did eat two cellary sticks. But

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<v Speaker 2>the the nachos looked and smelled amazing. Yeah, that looked great.

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<v Speaker 5>Right after those, we had tacos.

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<v Speaker 2>And I I had left before the taco showed up,

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<v Speaker 2>Do you agree that? Yes, that looked legit, just pictures

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<v Speaker 2>of it. It looked like that looks legit. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 2>we like to eat. Who cares if the game's any

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<v Speaker 2>good or not. We're gonna eat. Okay, So after the Army.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Fairbanks. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>I started having PTSD episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that's what it was? Or did you

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<v Speaker 2>as knew something was up you went to the VA.

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<v Speaker 5>I had no idea what it was.

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<v Speaker 5>It kind of freaked me out in a way, like

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<v Speaker 5>different changes that were happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So you mentioned the flashbacks, Yes, what else was going on?

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<v Speaker 5>I started getting seizures and that was kind of had

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was hit directly underneath my striker when I

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<v Speaker 5>was hanging out the hatch, I got hey, buy an

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<v Speaker 2>All right again, we're gonna have to run to break

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<v Speaker 2>reminder our phone number eight seven seven seven one, seven

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<v Speaker 2>eight seventy three. It's not a doctor or a PA

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<v Speaker 2>that answers the phone, it's a combat vet, so they

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<v Speaker 2>will completely understand. Eight seven seven seven one seven seventy

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<v Speaker 2>eight seventy three. We'll be right back with more road

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<v Speaker 1>Job.

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<v Speaker 2>Can have you ever been blown up? That's me neither

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<v Speaker 2>thus to us. Yeah, I just I have obviously a

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times. Like what should not you know? Find another job?

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<v Speaker 2>So what year was that you got hit?

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<v Speaker 5>It was like September twenty sixth two thousand and five

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<v Speaker 2>So we were talking off air, you mentioned you were

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<v Speaker 2>still in the Army when they diagnosed you with both

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<v Speaker 2>PTSD and TBI. Was that right after you got hit?

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<v Speaker 5>Uh? No, I ended up coming back and I had

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<v Speaker 5>issues in the army. I started self medicating what alcohol

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<v Speaker 5>Navy to get me to a STARPS program in Point

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<v Speaker 5>So my SARPs lady from Army she told my command,

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<v Speaker 5>but my command said in order for me to go,

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<v Speaker 5>I had to say it was command order, no longer self.

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<v Speaker 5>So I said, yeah, I'll take it. And then when

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<v Speaker 5>He found everything. I kind of made my brass a little.

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<v Speaker 2>Mad trying to get help. Yeah, yeah, which is what

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<v Speaker 2>they tell you to do, and then you get in

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<v Speaker 2>trouble for asking for help. Okay, So that's when and

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<v Speaker 2>where you were diagnosed with PTSD INBI.

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<v Speaker 5>But I never really I guess in my mind, I

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<v Speaker 5>said it's not gonna happen to me. And when it

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<v Speaker 5>what year was that you got diagnosed? I was diagnosed,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that makes sense to me because obviously through

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<v Speaker 2>time everything changes. But in two thousand and eight, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a lot of misunderstanding about PTSD. I maintained they

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<v Speaker 2>still don't know what's going on with TBI. I just

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they've ever really figured out how to

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<v Speaker 2>treat that. Everybody I've ever talked to, including recently who's

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine, even up I'd say probably twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen ish, there was an immense amount of misunderstanding of PTSD,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were always coming out with stories about vets

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<v Speaker 2>and you know shootings, you know, walking in store Fort hood,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, walking on the base and just shooting the

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<v Speaker 2>place up, and they always love to say he may

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<v Speaker 2>have PTSD. Well, they had no idea that PTSD. They

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<v Speaker 2>found some family member that lived four states away and

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<v Speaker 2>they said, well, you know, he's a vet. He may

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<v Speaker 2>have PTSD. Well okay, well he may be wearing a

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<v Speaker 2>brown leather belt. Both would have the same influence on

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<v Speaker 2>someone doing about something like that. That's not what PTSD does.

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<v Speaker 2>As in a general term, what we have seen and

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<v Speaker 2>have seen demonstrated over time is PTSD does not cause

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<v Speaker 2>the mass homicides it causes mass suicides. It turns inward

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<v Speaker 2>rather than outward. And just like your story, like you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to hurt your family, so you detected your

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<v Speaker 2>family and you isolate You did it a little different

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<v Speaker 2>way than a lot a lot of veterans do, but

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<v Speaker 2>you still isolated from them to protect them because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to hurt them. You're not a mass murderer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not what it is. But that was the stories

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<v Speaker 2>that were coming out. There was a story here in Houston,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't remember the year, but I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>say somewhere around fourteen or fifteen. It was a Memorial

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<v Speaker 2>Day shooter. It was actually a veteran flew in the

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<v Speaker 2>day before, not Veterans Day, Memorial Day, flew in the

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<v Speaker 2>day before Memorial Day from California Memorial Day. He gets

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<v Speaker 2>this high powered weapon. I'll remember what it was, but

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<v Speaker 2>starts walking down Memorial Drive here in Houston and just

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<v Speaker 2>starts shooting randomly, ended up shooting at an HPD helicopter

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<v Speaker 2>flying over, and of course eventually HPD took him out.

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<v Speaker 2>But the same thing. All the local newspeople run, try

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<v Speaker 2>to find anybody that knows this guy. Then sheally find

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<v Speaker 2>a family member. Well, he was a veteran, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he may have had PTSD. Okay, maybe he did, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe he didn't. Come to find out, if I remember correctly,

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<v Speaker 2>that individual never deployed into a combat zone. I don't believe.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was the That was just the way people

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it at that time. These crazy vets PTSD

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<v Speaker 2>run around and then they turn around and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're having trouble, go get help. Like, why would

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<v Speaker 2>I do that? If I'm going to get diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 2>something that everybody's going to assume that means I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>going to start walking up and down a particular road

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<v Speaker 2>in Houston just start shooting at the place. Who who

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<v Speaker 2>would want that tagged to them? Just a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of ignorance. And we've I think I'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to at least think that we've helped people understand a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit better about what PTSD does, but general terms,

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<v Speaker 2>it isolates. So you go into a program in and

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<v Speaker 2>out two and a half years set up, uh in Washington?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Wash, I see Dacoma, Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, another beautiful place but darker, light raining all the time.

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<v Speaker 5>It seems like I was in the two high suicide.

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<v Speaker 2>Well and that was it's they had super high. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers were lower because there weren't as many veterans

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<v Speaker 2>there's like there are in southern California or Texas or Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the highest populated. But the percentage in the

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<v Speaker 2>suicide rate in Washington was crazy. Yeah. So you're in

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<v Speaker 2>that program two and a half years ish, Yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>then what'd you do?

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<v Speaker 5>Why I was in the program. I got over medicated

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<v Speaker 5>by the VA program. Imagine that I ended up in

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<v Speaker 5>it was me committed suicide. I was like, you guys,

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<v Speaker 5>give me the medication to take. I don't know how

424
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<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to do that, but.

425
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<v Speaker 2>Get it to the p V. Put you on a

426
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<v Speaker 2>bunch of medication when they diagnosed.

427
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<v Speaker 3>You, Yes, sir, I think I was They had me

428
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<v Speaker 3>on like fourteen different pills initially when I first got donosed.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so when they put you on this cocktail of pills,

430
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<v Speaker 2>did that strike you as this seems like a lot?

431
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<v Speaker 2>Did it not cross your mind that this was a

432
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<v Speaker 2>lot at the time? And I'm talking about now, but

433
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<v Speaker 2>at the time, and maybe you're just you know, you

434
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<v Speaker 2>got PTSD, you got some you know, things aren't working right,

435
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<v Speaker 2>all right, So I would understan no matter what the

436
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<v Speaker 2>answer is. But did it kind of strike you as

437
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<v Speaker 2>odd that they give you that many pills?

438
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:08.519
<v Speaker 4>Initially?

439
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:11.039
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, you know what, it's a doctor

440
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<v Speaker 3>of prescribing this, So I mean, they know it's better

441
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<v Speaker 3>for me than I do.

442
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<v Speaker 4>That's at least that's what I thought.

443
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<v Speaker 2>And I've heard that many times too. So for instance,

444
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<v Speaker 2>the Vietnam vet that came through our program was really

445
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<v Speaker 2>the first graduate of our program way way back in

446
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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, and same thing, a bunch of medications, and like,

447
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:37.759
<v Speaker 2>did you bother to ask anybody? And I came to

448
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<v Speaker 2>find and talking to some of these guys just like

449
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:46.400
<v Speaker 2>it was the soldier mentality, This is an order, you

450
00:26:46.440 --> 00:26:50.079
<v Speaker 2>fulfill the order, whatever the whatever your command tells you.

451
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<v Speaker 2>To do wherever they tell you to go. However long

452
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<v Speaker 2>they tell you to go there, you do you just

453
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<v Speaker 2>you take the order, You do the order. And that's

454
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<v Speaker 2>kind of the way. His mindset was, Well, this is

455
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.759
<v Speaker 2>what the VA told me to do, so I followed orders,

456
00:27:04.200 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 2>and you end up taking fourteen some of the guys.

457
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:13.519
<v Speaker 2>One of the guys came in over thirty thirty prescribed medications.

458
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<v Speaker 2>He was taking every day, and it's like, do you

459
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<v Speaker 2>understand what that does to your vital organs, what that

460
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<v Speaker 2>does to your liver, what that does to your heart.

461
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<v Speaker 2>And that's why so many guys end up with congestive

462
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<v Speaker 2>heart failure taking so many pills. So they give you

463
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<v Speaker 2>how many.

464
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<v Speaker 5>I was at eighteen?

465
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<v Speaker 2>Eighteen?

466
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, very high doses.

467
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<v Speaker 2>That was while you were in the in the program.

468
00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 5>Oh, I wasn't taking as many as in the program.

469
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 5>The minute they sent me away. I was.

470
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<v Speaker 2>So when they sent you away, they sent you away with.

471
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 5>Eighteen when I finally reunited with my kids mom, and.

472
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<v Speaker 2>So you're trying to go home, yeah, and they've got

473
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<v Speaker 2>you on eight teen pills.

474
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<v Speaker 5>So I end up going back to Alaska. I got

475
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<v Speaker 5>to figure out how to move from Alaska to where

476
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:10.279
<v Speaker 5>they're at. I don't want them to come back. But

477
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:13.359
<v Speaker 5>then now I'm like, this is a lot of pills. Yeah,

478
00:28:13.440 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 5>this is normal. So uh yeah it was. It was

479
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<v Speaker 5>a struggle.

480
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah's with the things that they did and continue to do. Really,

481
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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just crazy to me. It's criminal what

482
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.240
<v Speaker 2>they do to our guys. All right, we're going to

483
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<v Speaker 2>take one more break here eight seven seven seven one,

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<v Speaker 2>seven seventy eight seventy three, not only for Camp Hope,

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<v Speaker 2>but also for our warrior groups, family support groups that

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<v Speaker 2>take place in person and as well as online, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can be a little bit anywhere in the world,

488
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<v Speaker 2>jump online, be a part of one of our support

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<v Speaker 2>groups PTSDUSA dot org for all that information. All of

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<v Speaker 2>to nine months basically in design. And I know that

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like a long long time if you think of

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<v Speaker 2>it as just your next deployment. This time, you're not

506
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<v Speaker 2>getting shot at or blown up like Rico was. This time,

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<v Speaker 2>you're working on a go forward for the rest of

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<v Speaker 2>your life. So just look at it that way, an

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<v Speaker 2>investment in the rest of your life, not only for yourself,

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<v Speaker 2>but those that you love and those who love you

511
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<v Speaker 2>ptsd USA dot org. Okay, let's let's switch the gear.

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<v Speaker 2>You've you came to Camp Hope the first time a

513
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<v Speaker 2>couple of years.

514
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<v Speaker 5>Ago, yes, two thousand and twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty three. Okay, how did you originally hear about us?

516
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<v Speaker 5>I was at Loyal Ridge in San Antonio.

517
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<v Speaker 2>It was rehab rehabcility. Yep.

518
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<v Speaker 5>We'll see these guys with tattoos on their arms and

519
00:30:49.759 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 5>they would always go into the room and that you

520
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<v Speaker 5>cant it was. It was a mandatory. But one day

521
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<v Speaker 5>I walked it into the classes, see what what you know?

522
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<v Speaker 5>What was being pitched and they started talking about Camp

523
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<v Speaker 5>Hope and what kind of program it was. And I

524
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<v Speaker 5>guess the thing that kind of got me was faith based,

525
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<v Speaker 5>like something I didn't have really in my mindset at

526
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<v Speaker 5>the time. I was kind of at my lowest when

527
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<v Speaker 5>I was there, and I wanted to try. So I've

528
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<v Speaker 5>been to different programs. The one in uh Tacoma wasn't

529
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<v Speaker 5>the first program I've done. I've done several in San Antonio,

530
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 5>so I figured why not give it a try? And yeah,

531
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<v Speaker 5>that was about the first time.

532
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<v Speaker 2>I had Did you have a faith system, some faith

533
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.559
<v Speaker 2>that you were practicing prior to the military or no.

534
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<v Speaker 5>I grew up as a Catholic and I followed my

535
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:52.400
<v Speaker 5>cultural traditions. All my kids are baptized, first communions, confirmations

536
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 5>and stuff like that. Sure, it's just like seemed like

537
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<v Speaker 5>after combat, I kind of broke away from everything.

538
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<v Speaker 2>A story. We're here all the time all the time

539
00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.200
<v Speaker 2>at camp, so you hear about that and that kind

540
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<v Speaker 2>of picture interests and need to try something different because

541
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 2>what I've been doing is not working. Yeah, so you

542
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<v Speaker 2>come into camp, you're there for how long?

543
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<v Speaker 5>The first time I did he go was there for

544
00:32:12.839 --> 00:32:19.039
<v Speaker 5>ten months. Then I moved to tunnels of towers. But

545
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<v Speaker 5>by by that time, when I graduated, everything I didn't

546
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.880
<v Speaker 5>take into, I was able to get the help I needed,

547
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.160
<v Speaker 5>and I was able to get deep into what I

548
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:30.799
<v Speaker 5>guess I had hidden that I stuffed down. And but

549
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:37.400
<v Speaker 5>then by that time, I've already filed for divorce, so

550
00:32:37.680 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 5>I'm not used to not having my kids no more,

551
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:42.759
<v Speaker 5>not being there, even though they were only two years,

552
00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:46.440
<v Speaker 5>two hours away. It was it was a different lifestyle.

553
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<v Speaker 5>I kind of went back into that rabbit.

554
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so how long have you been back?

555
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<v Speaker 5>Been back for two months.

556
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<v Speaker 2>I choose to come back.

557
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<v Speaker 5>It was like home, Like I I knew I would

558
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<v Speaker 5>have got. I knew the help that I got before,

559
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:14.400
<v Speaker 5>and I knew the people I see him like family.

560
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.799
<v Speaker 5>And uh So, in a way, I was kind of

561
00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.920
<v Speaker 5>embarrassed going back, because you know, I feel like I failed.

562
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.960
<v Speaker 5>But that's not the way they made me feel. You know,

563
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 5>they were all happy to see me again. And uh,

564
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<v Speaker 5>you know, went back to the same Miller Bay and

565
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<v Speaker 5>uh you know, the same cooks you know they were,

566
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 5>they were nice, happy to see me. Uh, even Kennedy

567
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:39.319
<v Speaker 5>through here when I got stung by a bee when

568
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.720
<v Speaker 5>he helped me out when I was in the program.

569
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<v Speaker 5>I won't forget and uh, but it was, Uh, that's

570
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.599
<v Speaker 5>where I feel home, like I don't have to isolate there,

571
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:53.240
<v Speaker 5>I don't have to hide. Everyone else's seen combat. Uh,

572
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 5>kind of same walks aways. And it was, I guess,

573
00:33:58.519 --> 00:34:00.480
<v Speaker 5>the only place where I could bring my guard. Now

574
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:03.720
<v Speaker 5>for a long time, they can't do that.

575
00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:12.400
<v Speaker 2>And this story we hear a lot feel safe. Uh,

576
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And of course we obviously love hearing that. And you're right,

577
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.920
<v Speaker 2>we I know it's difficult for guys when they for

578
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever reason, you know, they stop doing what they learned

579
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<v Speaker 2>to do while they're at camp, and things get can

580
00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>get dark really quickly, and there's that there's always that

581
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 2>anxiety of what's going to be like if I go back,

582
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:39.679
<v Speaker 2>and what's everybody gonna think? And I get that. I

583
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 2>can understand why people feel that way, but we we

584
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<v Speaker 2>don't view it as failure. We view it as, hey,

585
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:54.599
<v Speaker 2>you did the right thing by not continuing down that

586
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<v Speaker 2>spiral and picking up the phone and making the call.

587
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 2>That's choosing their right thing. So at some point you

588
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:07.760
<v Speaker 2>reverted back to what you knew you needed to do. Yeah,

589
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and so to us, that's a success. And yes, we're

590
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:12.039
<v Speaker 2>glad you're here.

591
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<v Speaker 5>Thank you.

592
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very glad you're here. Did you feel that like

593
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<v Speaker 2>like this is home when you were at camp it

594
00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:18.559
<v Speaker 2>felt safe?

595
00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 3>Yes, sir, to the fact, like once I graduated and

596
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:26.159
<v Speaker 3>I started working on the foundation. I don't know if

597
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:27.679
<v Speaker 3>you remember, but I had to go back to North

598
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Carolina for like five months because of that court and probation.

599
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:35.119
<v Speaker 4>But once I got all that.

600
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:40.079
<v Speaker 3>Completed and graduated from probation, that court, I mean, when

601
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:41.519
<v Speaker 3>I came back to Camp Hope, it was like I

602
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 3>never left. Everybody welcomed me, gave me big old hugs,

603
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 3>Glad you're back, Kenetha. We knew you would make it,

604
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.840
<v Speaker 3>And it was just like I had a sense of

605
00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 3>gratitude about the whole situation because I know that Camp

606
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:57.239
<v Speaker 3>Pope saved my life. And I mean, well, God in

607
00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Camp Hoope, that's I can't that's the only only people

608
00:35:59.840 --> 00:36:02.119
<v Speaker 3>I a thing for it the way how my life

609
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<v Speaker 3>is right now.

610
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<v Speaker 2>What was that like for you to stand before the

611
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<v Speaker 2>judge when you went back with your you got your certificate,

612
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<v Speaker 2>you completed, you got your coin. I've done what I

613
00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:18.119
<v Speaker 2>set out to do. I've done what we agreed for

614
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.159
<v Speaker 2>me to do. What was that like for you to

615
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<v Speaker 2>stand before that judge?

616
00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 5>Mh I'm not.

617
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<v Speaker 4>Allowed to, y'all cried.

618
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:36.039
<v Speaker 3>It was it was like, just uh a feeling of accomplishment.

619
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<v Speaker 3>The judge, the DA and everybody in ventquart in North Carolina.

620
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 3>They actually, uh put Kenneth Tecks Matthews on my certificate

621
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<v Speaker 3>because I've talked about camp Hope every single time in

622
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:53.400
<v Speaker 3>front of the court.

623
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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

624
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<v Speaker 3>And it was to the point that once I graduated

625
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<v Speaker 3>and came back down here, like I want to say,

626
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 3>it was not even.

627
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:02.920
<v Speaker 4>Thirty days day, all flew down here to see what

628
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<v Speaker 4>Camp Hope was about.

629
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<v Speaker 3>They flew down, Yes, sir, who all did it was

630
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:14.079
<v Speaker 3>a Hornett County Judge, Harnett County DA assistant DA in

631
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<v Speaker 3>a couple bitcourt.

632
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<v Speaker 2>How about that? So you made you definitely made an

633
00:37:23.280 --> 00:37:26.360
<v Speaker 2>impression on them, because it's got to be that smile

634
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.719
<v Speaker 2>right there. It has got to be that smile. Kenneth

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<v Speaker 2>Texas and Texas short for Texas. Is that what I'm hearing? Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>so even they know Texas barbecue is better than North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I had to throw that. You knew I

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<v Speaker 2>was not going to go showing you that. Throwing that

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<v Speaker 2>in there.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought we've almost made it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, did you tell them Texas barbecue is better than

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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina barbecue? After they said you're clear.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't say nothing about no barbecue.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably a good choice. I hope while they were in

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<v Speaker 2>town though, they enjoyed some Texas barbecue. I hope they

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<v Speaker 2>did that while they were here. But that's awesome though,

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<v Speaker 2>that they would go to the time and expense to

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<v Speaker 2>come out and see what what's this place that changed

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<v Speaker 2>your life so much? That's that's absolutely awesome. I love

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<v Speaker 2>that story.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was definitely like a proud moment.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, guys, we are out of time, Regal. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you sharing sister. Keep doing the work that you need

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<v Speaker 2>to get done. You deserve it, Your family deserves the

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<v Speaker 2>best version of you that you can provide. Keep doing

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<v Speaker 2>what you're doing, don't quit, don't give up. And praying

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<v Speaker 2>for you and pray that they continue to get done

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<v Speaker 2>what needs to get done. Thank you, sir Kenneth, Thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for sharing your story. Thanks for what you're doing to

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<v Speaker 2>continue to serve your fellow vets at Camp Hope. It's

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<v Speaker 2>inspiring to get to see some of that, so thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for doing that. Thanks we again, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us Hope. You'll join us again next week. Wherever

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<v Speaker 2>you listen to podcasts, look for Road to Hope and

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<v Speaker 2>UH before we you with you again for more of

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