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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going to happen? What help? Welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 2>Occult Rejects Today we're joined by Marcello Kroll and Adam Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>the creative team behind Initiates Oracle, a forthcoming forty card

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<v Speaker 2>oracle deck with one hundred and twenty eight page guidebook

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<v Speaker 2>from Weiser Books, scheduled for release on May fourth, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six. Marcella Kroll is an artist, mystic, spiritual teacher,

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<v Speaker 2>and deck creator whose work bridges divination, contemporary art, and

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<v Speaker 2>lived spiritual practice. Her site describes more than twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>years of work as a psychic medium, a cult practitioner,

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<v Speaker 2>and spiritual counselor, and she's known for decks and books

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<v Speaker 2>including Sacred Symbols, Oracle, The Dreamer's Taro, Healing, the Liminal,

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<v Speaker 2>and more. Adam Smith is the illustrator behind Initiates Oracle.

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<v Speaker 2>He brings three decades of a cult practice in more

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<v Speaker 2>than fifteen years of tattoo artistry to the project, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's also the creator of the Hidden Veil Taro. What

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<v Speaker 2>makes this deck especially interesting is that the Initiates Oracle

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<v Speaker 2>is presented as an occult, hermetic and Egyptian inspired work.

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<v Speaker 2>In both Marcella's site and the publishers describe it as

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<v Speaker 2>being born out of a journey to Egypt, where the

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<v Speaker 2>author and illustrator took part in the initiations of the Sphinx.

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<v Speaker 2>The deck is framed not just as a divination tool,

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<v Speaker 2>but as a guide to transformation, something meant to translate

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<v Speaker 2>deep esoteric symbols into a practice that can actually be

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<v Speaker 2>used in everyday life by both newer seekers and seasoned practitioners.

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<v Speaker 2>That gives us a lot to dig into today, symbolism, initiation, ritual,

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<v Speaker 2>artistic vision, occult philosophy, and what it means to make

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<v Speaker 2>a deck that is both beautiful and spiritually functional. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm excited for this conversation because Initiates Oracle

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<v Speaker 2>sounds like they're trying to do something bigger than just

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<v Speaker 2>give people another deck. It sounds like it's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>open a threshold between image and ritual, symbol and experience, ancient,

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<v Speaker 2>current and modern practitioner. So today we're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>into the making of the deck, the initiatory ideas behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>the collaboration between writer and illustrator, and what both of

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<v Speaker 2>our guests believe these symbols can still do to a

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<v Speaker 2>person in the present day. Now, before I introduce the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the panel and the guest, I do have

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<v Speaker 2>an announcement I'd like to make. We do have the

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<v Speaker 2>website a Cult Research Institute dot org. If you're interested

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<v Speaker 2>in reading a lot, that site is for you. And

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<v Speaker 2>we also have T shirts available on the website as well.

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<v Speaker 2>There's two different styles that you can choose from. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's enough out of me, and let me introduce the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the panel. Robbie, please, sir, let everybody know

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<v Speaker 2>what's up with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, doom well, doom well. Nick, thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the a topic of interest and it's good

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<v Speaker 3>to meet you both, Adam and Marcella and I am

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<v Speaker 3>our Marx artist and illustrator and I'm big into doing

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<v Speaker 3>symbolic research, color theory, all down the roads of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>these kind of occult esoteric topics and I'm excited to

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<v Speaker 3>see where we can go. If anybody wants to check

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<v Speaker 3>out my stuff, you can go to my link tree,

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<v Speaker 3>which is link tree r Marx and then I'll pull

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<v Speaker 3>up all my website, my Patreon, my podcast, the metamindcast

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<v Speaker 3>and everything else. So but yeah, thanks for having me on, Nick,

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<v Speaker 3>and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, please thank you for joining me. Robbie, appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>it whenever you can make it. And Adam sure, please

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<v Speaker 2>let everybody know a little bit about you or anything

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<v Speaker 2>you want to promote, and this and that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was I live in Columbia, South Carolina. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been tattooing for over fifteen years now. Uh yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to excuse me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. I was living and Sabrina actually because she

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<v Speaker 2>showed up.

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<v Speaker 1>You're good, You're good, but uh yeah, I'm not. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not really used to stepping out into the spotlight and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what.

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<v Speaker 2>I still get nervous doing this, so it's quite over.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, that's that's really about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure we'll get into it a little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>as we go through moreau. Let everybody know what is

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<v Speaker 2>open to you.

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<v Speaker 5>My name is Marcello Kroll. I currently live in Tucson,

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<v Speaker 5>but I am an artist and a occult practitioner. I

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<v Speaker 5>make decks, I write books, I consult on different projects.

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<v Speaker 5>It's pretty awesome. I get to do this for a living.

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<v Speaker 5>I feel like I get to be the person that

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<v Speaker 5>I wish was there for me when I was growing up.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, yeah, just really exciting to call outborate

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<v Speaker 5>with Adam as a fellow magician. We got to travel

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<v Speaker 5>to Egypt together and do a lot of ritual rights

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<v Speaker 5>in the temples. We did our initiations of the things together,

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<v Speaker 5>and we got paired up to be kind of I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, Adam, what would you call it.

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<v Speaker 1>We were like the I'd say, like I've always kind

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<v Speaker 1>of referred to it as like the pillars of silence. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>about the Isis ritual.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we led the call. We led the guard to Fela,

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<v Speaker 5>to Isis's temple at like I don't know, I think

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<v Speaker 5>it was like three o'clock in the morning, four o'clock

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<v Speaker 5>in the morning, in darkness, in silence, you know, to

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<v Speaker 5>be gatekeepers for that particular temple ritual. And yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 5>pretty profound in that way. So yeah, anyway, I just

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<v Speaker 5>I'm always in awe that I get to do this

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<v Speaker 5>work and meet different people from all walks of life

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<v Speaker 5>who get to carry their heart in this path forward.

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<v Speaker 2>So awesome. Well, thank you for making it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sabrina, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 6>How are you always like five a time. It's light.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm sorry like being on time. Also, i'ds so pumped

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<v Speaker 6>to be here because Marcella and I've known each other

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<v Speaker 6>on the internet for like a million years and we've

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<v Speaker 6>never like shared like live moving on the internet. So like,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm so excited to hear and to hear about what

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<v Speaker 6>you guys are working on and everything. I feel like

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<v Speaker 6>people this probably already know me. I've got five books out,

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<v Speaker 6>two podcasts, whatever, Google it, Rina Scott, whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Yeah. When I remember, I think even sore

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<v Speaker 2>on your profile. No, when I was looking at her Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it even mentioned that she was followed by you,

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<v Speaker 2>So I was like, oh, Sabrina might actually find this interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>she might come on this one. Thank you for making it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, So I guess I do have a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of questions, kind of like you know, once for

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<v Speaker 2>the Goldies, for people just discovering the Initiates oracle, how

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<v Speaker 2>do each of you describe the deck in your own words?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe Adam, if you want to go first.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, what I would say is that the deck itself really,

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<v Speaker 1>uh really takes the practitioner on the same journey that

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<v Speaker 1>we were on a lot of the artwork in it

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<v Speaker 1>was stuff that was downloaded during the process, and even

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<v Speaker 1>coming back from the trip, it was just like an

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<v Speaker 1>ongoing surge of like imagery and symbols and stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we're really kind of just hoping that we're

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<v Speaker 1>able to share all that with anybody that picks up

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<v Speaker 1>this deck, you know, and makes them feel part of

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<v Speaker 1>the journey as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So the at times like this happens to me, well,

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<v Speaker 2>not the like my shit's art, but you know, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>come up with ideas for like thumbnails and shit or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever logos. Is it Like times like I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying, like almost like downloads or it's like you'll

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<v Speaker 2>just get this idea that just pops into your head

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<v Speaker 2>out of nowhere and you have to like try to

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<v Speaker 2>remember it, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sometimes I'll do a little voice notes. Sometimes I'll

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<v Speaker 1>do rough sketchings, and especially like you wake up in

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<v Speaker 1>three am in the middle of the night and just

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<v Speaker 1>have this idea and have to get it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that is cool as shit, man,

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. That's sometimes what I think. I'm a big

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<v Speaker 2>David Lynch fan, and I think sometimes that's what he

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about, like when you have an idea and

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<v Speaker 2>you lose it, you almost just want to kill yourself

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<v Speaker 2>and die. Like I understand, it's just like the fuck

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to get that back because I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>jot it down or whatever. But yeah, it's cool. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>what about you, Marcella. I, well, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is going to be my fifth deck, and

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<v Speaker 5>typically with decks, I have three Oracle decks and one

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<v Speaker 5>Tarot deck that I've made. I've done all the artwork

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<v Speaker 5>and the ill illustrations for those decks coming together on

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<v Speaker 5>this project. It was a seed that was planted there,

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<v Speaker 5>and we had been talking about just the different things

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<v Speaker 5>that are out there because Adam has made his own

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<v Speaker 5>self published deck prior to this, and we wanted something

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<v Speaker 5>that felt like, yes, anyone can access it, but for

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<v Speaker 5>the person who wants to take things beyond just the like,

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<v Speaker 5>oh do they like me kind of readings, but someone

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<v Speaker 5>that can actually use it in their magical practice, but

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<v Speaker 5>also for their own growth as a magician, because you know,

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<v Speaker 5>there's so much of the same stuff out there over

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<v Speaker 5>and over and over again, and even I did my

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<v Speaker 5>first retreat this past February, and I used this deck

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<v Speaker 5>to outline my retreat. So it's not just divination in

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<v Speaker 5>the sense of I need to ask a question about

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<v Speaker 5>my life. It's putting into practice, like what things we

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<v Speaker 5>could be working on in layers and applying them, you

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<v Speaker 5>know to maybe everyday situations, but also through ritual. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>it just felt very natural. Adam and I clicked from

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<v Speaker 5>the go because we showed up. You know, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know how many people were there, like twenty eight or something.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, definitely a number of people. And I

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<v Speaker 5>mean he's like, oh good, another tattooed face person and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, great, yes, finally, But we really just it

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<v Speaker 5>just kept growing the seed of the idea to the

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<v Speaker 5>point and for me creatively, that's how creative ideas come in.

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<v Speaker 5>They kind of roll in and float by, and if

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<v Speaker 5>I don't grab them, kind of like what you're saying,

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<v Speaker 5>I kind of forget about it. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>I think if an idea, especially a creative one, wants

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<v Speaker 5>to come through, it kind of haunts you a little bit,

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<v Speaker 5>popping up around you like whack the mole until you

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<v Speaker 5>go okay, okay, okay, I can't ignore this anymore. And

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<v Speaker 5>the beauty of doing this deck together because Adam such

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<v Speaker 5>a prolific artist and I love his work. In that way,

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<v Speaker 5>I was able to nerd out on the booklet the

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<v Speaker 5>writing right, Whereas when I've done my other decks, I've

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<v Speaker 5>made them more kind of keywords, jumping off points, like

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<v Speaker 5>things that you're supposed to use your own brain because

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of people want it told to them, and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm like, no, I'm not teaching you to read like me.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not teaching you to read like mimic someone else.

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<v Speaker 5>I want you to use these things as a jumping

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<v Speaker 5>off point. So they've been very booklets for me in

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<v Speaker 5>the past have been very streamlined, very like I said,

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<v Speaker 5>keywords or suggestions, whereas this deck we really get to

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<v Speaker 5>look at the symbolism, particularly the magical symbolism, and dive

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<v Speaker 5>deeper into maybe some stories around some of the symbolism

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<v Speaker 5>that you haven't heard before.

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<v Speaker 2>That was awesome, Thank you you kind of answered. I

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<v Speaker 2>had another question. I was going to say, what made

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<v Speaker 2>you choose Adam, but kind of answered to anythink.

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<v Speaker 5>Like it was a kindred connection, like kind of right

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<v Speaker 5>off the bat, we kept getting paired up, like not intentionally,

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual levels. And yeah, so it's it's almost as if

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<v Speaker 1>shedding skin, you know, almost like this this rebirth, after

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<v Speaker 1>you've gone through it to where you're kind of I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's it's very real hard to explain. That's

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<v Speaker 1>that I do withdrawing, it's always real hard to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of go into the process of it. But like it's

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think of it as kind of there's a

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<v Speaker 5>understand that it's like the Abramelum, you know, rituals, like

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<v Speaker 5>and there's a sense of respect and seriousness to them,

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<v Speaker 5>do this? How convenient? Magic initiations not convenient. It's uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and it's euphoric, but it's you don't get

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<v Speaker 5>a lighthearted thing, like you're not going to get those

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<v Speaker 5>quick fixed answers. Sometimes it might help you if you

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<v Speaker 5>have your own clarity, it might bring you that, But

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<v Speaker 5>I just think there's layers and there's more than again,

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<v Speaker 2>like after it was like after the first the second one,

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<v Speaker 2>after like the initiation was over and everybody's like hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out in the temple. I remember even though my friend

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<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, I guess like saying like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, why do because there's a certain amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time you had to wait between them, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>was like, why can't we just keep on going and

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<v Speaker 2>you know doing well, like weh blah blah blah, And

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<v Speaker 2>they were like you kind of like need to like

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<v Speaker 2>kind of process or kind of understand what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>you just went through do Like they're like you the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point, you know, and it is a kind of

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, integration is a huge part. We can't just keep going,

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<v Speaker 5>going going. You never retain what you've just processed, or

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<v Speaker 5>you can throw yourself into psychosis. Like people don't understand

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<v Speaker 5>that part of it. And you know, Adam, you've done

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, done a few in the OTO as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh nice, okay, all right cool?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah yeah, and yeah even with pathwork in itself,

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<v Speaker 1>with Kabbala, you go through a whole series of initiations.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I'm both here in the regular world and

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<v Speaker 1>the astral.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything I would like for me, I even look

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<v Speaker 2>back now, it's like I wish I would have. I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>like you can't redo them. I mean you could always go,

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<v Speaker 2>like if I did my first, I could always go

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<v Speaker 2>to somebody who's and watch them do their first. I

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<v Speaker 2>never did that. I regret that now because during like

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<v Speaker 2>again like even processing what's going on, I was like

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<v Speaker 2>when you're in that initiation for me, I'm so focused

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<v Speaker 2>about like what's coming next, though, like what's in front

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<v Speaker 2>of me or what's going on, that I never even

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<v Speaker 2>really took the time to look around the lodge and

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<v Speaker 2>look at all the shit that's even set up. Why

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<v Speaker 2>is that there? Why is this there? Why is that

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden? Right, I'm sure there's a reason

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<v Speaker 2>for it, but it's just like I never even you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I look back and I'm like, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I would have like paid attention a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more before I left. But no, I definitely understand

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<v Speaker 2>the whole initiatory thing is a very not something to

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<v Speaker 2>be rushed, in my opinion, Did I, Robbie or Sabrina,

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<v Speaker 2>did you have anything before? I keep going, Well, I'll remember,

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<v Speaker 2>I swear I'll remember so well.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say, in regard to creating these decks, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I have I created a like a mystic kind of

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<v Speaker 3>a cult playing card deck, and uh spent you know

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<v Speaker 3>a good amount of time kind of you you have

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<v Speaker 3>the the concept kind of coming into you and kind

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<v Speaker 3>of you know, congealing and coming into itself. And then

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<v Speaker 3>it's the process of taking this this idea and turning

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<v Speaker 3>it into reality, and then you have to deal with,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the reproduction as far as the printing process

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<v Speaker 3>and like all the manufacturing and getting it in so

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<v Speaker 3>and get that idea kind of moving around. Like it's

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<v Speaker 3>a as far as process in in the work of

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<v Speaker 3>creating the idea, do you think it's like is it

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<v Speaker 3>in the ethos or is it something that you formulate?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you kind of what what kind of inspiration

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<v Speaker 3>kind of pushes you?

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<v Speaker 5>Hmm, I think there's a few things. What do you think, Adam.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was gonna say, as far as creating the

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<v Speaker 1>images with drawing, I'm strictly digital, like I do all

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<v Speaker 1>physical paper, but I just wasted so much much material

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<v Speaker 1>always felt guilty about it. So a lot of times

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know where the finished product is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go. And then sometimes even like getting far out

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<v Speaker 1>shading and then starting to add the colors, stuff just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't go very well, and then I have to go

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<v Speaker 1>back and redesign it. So the way that I create it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's probably not the best of ways, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because I would think sitting there and kind of laying

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<v Speaker 1>But I always like just going along for the journey,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, and it is really a journey. I mean

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<v Speaker 3>when you when you're an dissipating with these muse energies,

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of just let it, like you're kind of

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<v Speaker 3>just a watching the process as it is.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. It's almost the same as like when you're

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<v Speaker 1>and putting it on the flesh and then you watch

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just this really cool process that unfolds.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, yeah, now go ahead, Sabrina, what were you

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<v Speaker 3>going to say?

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<v Speaker 6>I was kind of gonna askthing similar more around creative

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<v Speaker 6>process kind of from start to end, especially a collaborative deck,

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<v Speaker 6>like as a writer and artist myself, like I'm kind

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<v Speaker 6>of like, oh my god, I don't know if I

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<v Speaker 6>could collab with another artist, I think my brain would explode.

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<v Speaker 6>But I just looked up the deck looks stunning, and

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<v Speaker 6>so I would love to hear about that creation process

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<v Speaker 6>from like original idea to how did you sort out

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<v Speaker 6>what each of the cards is going to be the

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<v Speaker 6>structure of it? And then the sketching process, Like I'm curious,

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<v Speaker 6>did the art come first? Did the writing come first?

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<v Speaker 6>Like I just want to hear that whole process. It's

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<v Speaker 6>so different for everyone. I would love to hear about that.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank you for asking. It's a great thing to

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<v Speaker 5>noodle on. I like, because I am notorious for just

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<v Speaker 5>doing everything myself. Maybe I don't work well with other

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<v Speaker 5>people like collaboratively or it's very rare, you know, it

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<v Speaker 5>takes a very special you know connection to be able

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<v Speaker 5>to do that or in just artistically creatively and being

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<v Speaker 5>in the same like speed, you know, because I get

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<v Speaker 5>impatient or I get in his zone or I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>It was the process kind of took a while, but

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<v Speaker 5>like not not forever. I think the publishing process has

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<v Speaker 5>taken a lot longer. But initially Adam had a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of the imagery first, but he would send me things

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<v Speaker 5>and I'm really good with war like coming up with

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<v Speaker 5>like One of my jokes is like I just want

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<v Speaker 5>So I started coming up with the list of titles,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, like card titles, right, But then the images

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<v Speaker 5>would lend to those titles themselves too the more we got,

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<v Speaker 5>So it was kind of this like back and forth

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<v Speaker 5>that went on, but we did get a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>the wach McCall it the I got a lot of

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<v Speaker 5>the imagery from Adam before I began my full on

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<v Speaker 5>writing because I wanted to include not just hey, this

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<v Speaker 5>is what this means, but I wanted to include the

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<v Speaker 5>origin of the different imagery and connect on that. The colors,

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<v Speaker 5>the symbol is, like everything is just you know, part

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<v Speaker 5>of the process. So I did say it was pretty

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<v Speaker 5>easy working with Adam and I've recently worked on collaborations

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<v Speaker 5>that didn't go anywhere because we couldn't get on the

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<v Speaker 5>same page. Where there was more fluidity with Adam and I.

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<v Speaker 5>But I also think it's because we were on that

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<v Speaker 5>an understanding of the feel and the energy, like even

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<v Speaker 5>though we live far away from each other. Right, Adam

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<v Speaker 5>lives in South Carolina. I was living in La Now

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<v Speaker 5>I live in Tucson, Arizona the last two years, so

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<v Speaker 5>you know, doing things also at a distance, getting on FaceTime,

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<v Speaker 5>getting on phone, you know, it was just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I could see that too. It's the whole

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<v Speaker 2>process of like getting together and collaborating is like, Wellpito,

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<v Speaker 2>if you had to jump on zoom, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>easier than possibly getting in your car deciding where you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go. I could even see all that just

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<v Speaker 2>making it a little bit easier too, depending on what

418
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<v Speaker 2>type of person you want. Sometimes I for any reason

419
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<v Speaker 2>to just tell myself and that to do something.

420
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<v Speaker 5>So I think it requires a lot of trust in

421
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<v Speaker 5>each other though too. I mean that's the thing collaborating,

422
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<v Speaker 5>You're trusting the whole process, you know, with each other.

423
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<v Speaker 5>And I think the only time, the times, the reason

424
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<v Speaker 5>why I've worked so hard for so long on my

425
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<v Speaker 5>own was because I didn't have a lot of trust

426
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<v Speaker 5>or faith that other people were going to follow through,

427
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<v Speaker 5>or because there was no proven track record of it.

428
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<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, well, if it's going to get done,

429
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<v Speaker 5>it's going to get done. I self published for nine years,

430
00:25:33.359 --> 00:25:36.680
<v Speaker 5>you know as well, So it's like switching into a

431
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<v Speaker 5>gear of having to collaborate with publishers. That's also a

432
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:46.680
<v Speaker 5>learning curve experience and such a different process. I mean, Sabrina,

433
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<v Speaker 5>you make so many beautiful things, and I've been doing

434
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<v Speaker 5>this for so long as well, you know, Like I

435
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:57.880
<v Speaker 5>think you understand that, Like you're very prolific, right, So,

436
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.960
<v Speaker 5>like having to get things on board and having to

437
00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.319
<v Speaker 5>trust someone else to kind of come in it can

438
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<v Speaker 5>be daunting for sure.

439
00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:08.519
<v Speaker 6>Sometimes they don't get it as well, like the powers

440
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<v Speaker 6>that be by which I mean like publishers or institutions,

441
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:14.079
<v Speaker 6>sometimes they just don't get it. So like there are

442
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<v Speaker 6>some of those clubs that I've had where I was

443
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<v Speaker 6>just like all right, bye, I think you probably know

444
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<v Speaker 6>what I'm talking about. But quick question for reasons you

445
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 6>do have so many other decks out, Like for those

446
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<v Speaker 6>decks that you did solo, did the art also come first?

447
00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:30.799
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

448
00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.599
<v Speaker 5>Okay? So Sacred Symbols, which is like my the thing

449
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:39.319
<v Speaker 5>that kind of started at all came to me. I

450
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<v Speaker 5>mean I was in the middle of a mental health crisis,

451
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.160
<v Speaker 5>but it was twenty twelve and I was like living

452
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<v Speaker 5>in milwauke On in a like eighteen acres of land

453
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<v Speaker 5>in New Mexico. I had run away and I was

454
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<v Speaker 5>having a mental breakdown, and I wrote the names down first,

455
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:58.319
<v Speaker 5>and then the sketches and then putting it together right

456
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<v Speaker 5>And still even then, I I did all of the

457
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:03.480
<v Speaker 5>editing and the graphic design on an iPhone three, Like

458
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 5>I didn't have skills for that, you know, and I

459
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:11.279
<v Speaker 5>just you know, it's like things just started to the

460
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:14.640
<v Speaker 5>more I learned, the more I learned how to make

461
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<v Speaker 5>it happen, and but also trusting in my you know,

462
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:27.240
<v Speaker 5>my like connection to my whatever guidance and all that stuff, like, hey, like,

463
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 5>if this is supposed to happen, it's just going to

464
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:32.839
<v Speaker 5>keep happening. And if it's not, take it away. That's

465
00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 5>how I deal with a lot of stuff right now,

466
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.759
<v Speaker 5>you know, is even with the collaborations falling apart, I'm like,

467
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.680
<v Speaker 5>if this is something my ancestors would have flipped this table,

468
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 5>take it away. Trust And I trust that. I trust that,

469
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:52.240
<v Speaker 5>and you know, so it's a it's a wild ride,

470
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.319
<v Speaker 5>I mean, and just no one taught me how to

471
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 5>do this, and I think you have that understanding as well,

472
00:27:59.480 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 5>like and putting out zines and books and being asked

473
00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.519
<v Speaker 5>to consult on things and getting kind of like a

474
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:12.519
<v Speaker 5>bomb deal because I didn't know better. You know, that's

475
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:16.559
<v Speaker 5>been an interesting journey. But now you know, you learn,

476
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:18.599
<v Speaker 5>You learn, you learn to ask for more, you learn

477
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.000
<v Speaker 5>to take better care of the work that you're stewarding

478
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:24.200
<v Speaker 5>into into being in the physical.

479
00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.759
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Absolutely, And publishing is so slow. But how long

480
00:28:29.799 --> 00:28:32.160
<v Speaker 6>did it take you guys from beginning to meet.

481
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:34.599
<v Speaker 5>Its good so slow?

482
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.400
<v Speaker 6>From the publishing being slow, Like was it like a

483
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:40.400
<v Speaker 6>year you guys were doing this project to the other

484
00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.519
<v Speaker 6>two years? How long did it take you guys?

485
00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 5>We think, Adam, it took us. Like we finished, we

486
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.400
<v Speaker 5>came back. When did we come back? We went to

487
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.720
<v Speaker 5>Egypt in December of twenty twenty two.

488
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:53.400
<v Speaker 6>Like I remember you posting those pictures.

489
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and we finished the writing, like I finished the

490
00:28:58.440 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 5>writing in the summer of twenty twenty four. But that's

491
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 5>because when I came back from Egypt, I wrote a book.

492
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.720
<v Speaker 5>I wrote a book when I came back, like my

493
00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 5>Healing the Liminal Book. I wrote that upon arriving back,

494
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.720
<v Speaker 5>and then I was like, okay, I can work on

495
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.920
<v Speaker 5>this once that happens. But then I moved. So twenty

496
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.200
<v Speaker 5>twenty four the summer, we finished everything. But it's now,

497
00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 5>you know, twenty twenty it's not it's it's yeah. It

498
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 5>took probably like about a year or so to complete

499
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:36.319
<v Speaker 5>it for our end. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Oh, let's see.

500
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.799
<v Speaker 5>M I'm just looking at the comment.

501
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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, did you see when somebody has to see

502
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<v Speaker 2>examples of the work.

503
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:45.359
<v Speaker 5>Yes, that's what I'm Yeah.

504
00:29:45.799 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>Reason, I was like, I think she just caughte that comment.

505
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>That's why. It's okay, It's okay, I got it. Can

506
00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:53.720
<v Speaker 2>I go find images real quick?

507
00:29:54.279 --> 00:29:57.519
<v Speaker 5>I know. Well, I pulled a card actually for today

508
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:05.720
<v Speaker 5>from our back from this, and I pulled leadership, Yeah,

509
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.200
<v Speaker 5>which I'm really excited about. I mean, what I love

510
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:14.119
<v Speaker 5>about this card. It's Isis, right or Osset is her

511
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.559
<v Speaker 5>Egyptian name. A lot of people think of Isis and

512
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:21.039
<v Speaker 5>they think of the story of her, you know, retrieving

513
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 5>these dismembered parts of her husband of Osiris of Ozier.

514
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.279
<v Speaker 5>But one of my favorite stories about Isis is the

515
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:34.599
<v Speaker 5>way she was able to, you know, be cunning. And

516
00:30:35.359 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 5>she's the leadership card because she was able to trick

517
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 5>Raw the sun god. She created a serpent to bite him,

518
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.279
<v Speaker 5>and she's like, you know, I'll help you, but you know,

519
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:50.000
<v Speaker 5>tell me your secret name. And that is how she became,

520
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:54.279
<v Speaker 5>you know, her leadership, her ability to connect with magic,

521
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.200
<v Speaker 5>all of those things. You know, there's just so many

522
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 5>stories that are hidden within, you know. And that was

523
00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 5>one of the things too with us on our trip,

524
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 5>learning the Nataru from the inside out, which is, you know,

525
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:12.240
<v Speaker 5>the Egyptian pantheon, and learning their true names. It's it's

526
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:16.880
<v Speaker 5>really quite It's been a real journey to work with

527
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:19.799
<v Speaker 5>each card too, as I got the imagery and writing

528
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:23.559
<v Speaker 5>about them and seeing what sparked intuitively for me, not

529
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.400
<v Speaker 5>just the okay, this is the you know, this is

530
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 5>the emerald tablet, this is this It's like, no, what

531
00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:33.480
<v Speaker 5>feelings got evoked? And that was really Adam's artwork really

532
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 5>evokes a lot of feelings.

533
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:42.839
<v Speaker 2>Yes, one thing I did want to ask, what point

534
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>did you know that Dex's cool language would be harmonic

535
00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:49.279
<v Speaker 2>and Egyptian inspired rather than broadly occult. I mean, was

536
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.799
<v Speaker 2>it because right away because of the retreat kind or

537
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:53.839
<v Speaker 2>whatever you guys want to Yeah.

538
00:31:53.960 --> 00:31:57.720
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think because of the path that we traveled

539
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.960
<v Speaker 5>and we went with twenty two Teachings, which is a

540
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:06.039
<v Speaker 5>cult hermetic school in Los Angele based out of Los Angeles,

541
00:32:06.440 --> 00:32:09.319
<v Speaker 5>and Academy of Oracle Arts, which are based out of

542
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.680
<v Speaker 5>Nevada City. But knowing specifically the group we were going

543
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 5>with and those practices, it just we knew that that

544
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 5>would be the theme and the direction. So I'm like,

545
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.279
<v Speaker 5>I'm just like, this is the back. I also just

546
00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.960
<v Speaker 5>am really excited. They gave us a pretty awesome you

547
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:35.480
<v Speaker 5>don't really see this, but the booklet is full color nice,

548
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 5>which is rare and publishing they don't always do that.

549
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:45.319
<v Speaker 5>So just really excited about the way it turned out.

550
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:49.119
<v Speaker 5>Like feeling it in your hands also is another trippy

551
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 5>thing when you make something to feel it tangibly. Yeah,

552
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 5>like the the texture.

553
00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love the gold foil that they did on

554
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:03.920
<v Speaker 1>their as well. Yeah, really goes well with the Matt Black.

555
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:06.599
<v Speaker 5>Mine's a little worn because I've been been using this

556
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 5>as like the demo deck I got a while back

557
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.640
<v Speaker 5>when they sent us like, hey check it out, so.

558
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>And who and who was that? That's from Wiser? Yes, Yeah,

559
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 2>they actually they sent me some decks like a month

560
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.799
<v Speaker 2>or two ago from people I had on and they

561
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>had to the gold foil around them. Okay, and the

562
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.039
<v Speaker 2>cards are the very good quality I thought, so I'm

563
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:39.039
<v Speaker 2>assuming yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

564
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.480
<v Speaker 5>They do a good job. This is my first time

565
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:46.000
<v Speaker 5>working with them. I really enjoyed working with them. They're

566
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:48.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, they're a smaller publisher, which I don't think

567
00:33:48.680 --> 00:33:50.440
<v Speaker 5>a lot of people know, but they've been around for

568
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Speaker 5>a really long time. I also love that they're like

569
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 5>New England based. I mean, they remind me of childhood,

570
00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:59.480
<v Speaker 5>like going to like the little Wickens stores when I

571
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.559
<v Speaker 5>was growing up, because there wasn't really there was only

572
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:05.440
<v Speaker 5>a few like magic Spots in the nineties, you know,

573
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:10.960
<v Speaker 5>like early nineties. You're going into some really interesting places.

574
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:16.199
<v Speaker 5>But they Yeah, so it's been really nice working with

575
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.000
<v Speaker 5>them because it feels more hands on nice.

576
00:34:19.039 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 2>That's awesome. They seem really nice with me dealing with them,

577
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>like after the show email and be like, oh, just

578
00:34:24.559 --> 00:34:26.239
<v Speaker 2>let you know I had my solo crawl on if

579
00:34:26.280 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 2>you want to send me a free day.

580
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.840
<v Speaker 5>They share, they shared the things, so maybe the you know,

581
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:32.079
<v Speaker 5>I can definitely nice.

582
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:33.679
<v Speaker 2>No, I'm going to remind them though I've done that

583
00:34:33.719 --> 00:34:35.840
<v Speaker 2>to him before. By the way, I just found out

584
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>this person published through wives and they're like, yeah, we'll

585
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 2>send you the book.

586
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 5>Yeah oh man.

587
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I'm so cheesy.

588
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 5>No, I love it. I love it your that's your aries.

589
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Right, You're like out like you sent me the books

590
00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>every time I have them on Can I get them

591
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:54.599
<v Speaker 2>a little one whatever? Yeah?

592
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:55.360
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely?

593
00:34:56.760 --> 00:35:03.119
<v Speaker 2>Uh what was there any was there any images or

594
00:35:03.239 --> 00:35:07.199
<v Speaker 2>cult symbols that was like already like you knew that

595
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.159
<v Speaker 2>this was going to have to be used when you

596
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:10.760
<v Speaker 2>had this idea.

597
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 1>Adam, uh not really like free planned. Just as the

598
00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:23.199
<v Speaker 1>cards started like being created and laying out, then certain

599
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 1>symbols just kind of seemed like it went with that

600
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:27.320
<v Speaker 1>particular card.

601
00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

602
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:33.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean there's definitely certain symbols that I was excited

603
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.280
<v Speaker 5>to see in form that I didn't anticipate. I was

604
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:37.880
<v Speaker 5>trying to find, like.

605
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Where is it.

606
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:47.639
<v Speaker 5>It's like the lion eating the sun. There's just but

607
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:55.079
<v Speaker 5>there's definitely here. It is fortitude. Yeah. I was excited

608
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.360
<v Speaker 5>to see that because I wasn't I guess I wasn't

609
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.119
<v Speaker 5>expecting it, but that, and you know, I love like

610
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 5>there's just such a nod to some of these like

611
00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:07.280
<v Speaker 5>their their own characters. You know, we have ta Hooti

612
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 5>we have thought to Hoodi here with like his two

613
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 5>forms with the emerald tablet, you know. Yeah, and then

614
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 5>there's like classic things right like we have with Vanishing, right,

615
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 5>we start to see more of the classic kind of

616
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.480
<v Speaker 5>idea of her meticism and Kabbala and you know, just

617
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:32.320
<v Speaker 5>Adam's influence with that. But certain images to take me

618
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:35.440
<v Speaker 5>right back to some of the rituals like this literally

619
00:36:35.480 --> 00:36:41.079
<v Speaker 5>the ritual card with hathor but with the systrum because

620
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 5>when we were there, Yeah, we did a system ritual

621
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.800
<v Speaker 5>almost Zara, Yeah.

622
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I tried to make it at Hathorpe for a while.

623
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.440
<v Speaker 2>Were you do.

624
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.239
<v Speaker 5>You have a picture of it your you have your

625
00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:58.199
<v Speaker 5>own system that you know?

626
00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:02.519
<v Speaker 2>I started? I never never feel yeah, but I was, yeah,

627
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I was big. Yeah, she has that in a mirror

628
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:09.559
<v Speaker 2>she's known for, which I find interesting because that's basically

629
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 2>sight and sound, you know, just suck it, you know,

630
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.039
<v Speaker 2>into it. That deep but very interesting. Yeah, I'm a

631
00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 2>big fan of Hathel actually.

632
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:21.559
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Dendaro was incredible also just because of the layers

633
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.000
<v Speaker 5>of the temple, Like there's parts where you go underground

634
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 5>and that's where I think was it on ancient aliens?

635
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:34.840
<v Speaker 5>Do you remember, Adam, there's there's like this tunnel under

636
00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:38.199
<v Speaker 5>the temple, so you have to crawl down and you

637
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.880
<v Speaker 5>end up underground and there's you know, hieroglyphics and stuff,

638
00:37:41.920 --> 00:37:47.679
<v Speaker 5>but there is this depiction of a battery where there

639
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:49.679
<v Speaker 5>you know what I'm talking about, and there's these giant

640
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:53.079
<v Speaker 5>figures holding it up and then like smaller people yes,

641
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:57.800
<v Speaker 5>and there's such a like they're like who made this?

642
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:01.199
<v Speaker 5>You know? I think the thing that was so fascinating

643
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:04.559
<v Speaker 5>to me was you could touch things, most things you

644
00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:12.480
<v Speaker 5>could touch and obviously being respectful, obviously being mindful. I

645
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:17.480
<v Speaker 5>feel like because there was such an understanding of the

646
00:38:17.519 --> 00:38:20.679
<v Speaker 5>reverence of these places, we were able to go into

647
00:38:20.719 --> 00:38:26.239
<v Speaker 5>places privately a lot which doesn't normally happen, and you know,

648
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 5>we were able to do things that most people don't

649
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.880
<v Speaker 5>get to do. And I think it was simply because

650
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:38.119
<v Speaker 5>we came with we you know, working with intention, respect

651
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:42.119
<v Speaker 5>and offerings not just offerings of hey, let's pay you money,

652
00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 5>but like offerings of prayers, offerings of respect, offerings of

653
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 5>ourselves as vessels. And that felt really important.

654
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:57.440
<v Speaker 2>So that's awesome, that's really cool, that's very wild experience.

655
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:01.239
<v Speaker 5>It was, I mean I don't think I fully integrated.

656
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 5>It took me maybe like a year and a half

657
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.679
<v Speaker 5>maybe to fully understand what happened.

658
00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Did you uh, did you touch anything?

659
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:13.079
<v Speaker 5>Touch anything?

660
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:13.440
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

661
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean.

662
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.760
<v Speaker 5>I'm kidding, Yeah, I'm like I was crawling on my hands,

663
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.599
<v Speaker 5>and I mean there was a part where a lot

664
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:28.840
<v Speaker 5>of stuff you can't be if you're claustrophobic, it's not good. Okay, yeah,

665
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:30.519
<v Speaker 5>not going to be for you. I mean it can

666
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:33.960
<v Speaker 5>be pretty intense, But there's also this part of me

667
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.199
<v Speaker 5>that's like, yeah, well, when am I ever going to

668
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 5>get to do this? So just get over it now.

669
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.679
<v Speaker 2>When you mentioned that it's like kind of claustrophobic, was

670
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>that You're sorry? Like I just might have some questions

671
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:47.280
<v Speaker 2>on this? Just made me think of something with the

672
00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Sacred Sacred architecture I've been covering lately. Was it uh

673
00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 2>was it like kind of like was that like something

674
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that was made after the fact to get to where

675
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 2>you were going? Or was that like an original thing?

676
00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:00.199
<v Speaker 2>Like was it made to where you actually have had

677
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:02.480
<v Speaker 2>to be crawling to get what you got? Was that

678
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>the kind of an original passage?

679
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.239
<v Speaker 5>You think it was both? It was both to be honest.

680
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 5>In some places it was both like there were there's

681
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:13.800
<v Speaker 5>like I remember, do you remember the crypt we went

682
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 5>into Adam when we had to go down the spiral staircase.

683
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:19.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was like fifty down below.

684
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:23.519
<v Speaker 5>Down, But like that was created, man made right to

685
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.079
<v Speaker 5>get in there, Like that wasn't something that existed, but

686
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:29.519
<v Speaker 5>and we all each wanted a time like laid in

687
00:40:29.559 --> 00:40:36.440
<v Speaker 5>this dead physician's crypt. But yeah, that was created to

688
00:40:36.480 --> 00:40:39.480
<v Speaker 5>get in there, but it didn't exist prior. But certain

689
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.719
<v Speaker 5>things like getting up to I don't know, like the

690
00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:48.159
<v Speaker 5>king getting up to the King's chamber and the Great Pyramid. Yeah,

691
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:52.480
<v Speaker 5>it's very narrow. It's not meant. People weren't meant to

692
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:58.039
<v Speaker 5>climb up in there, right, but they've constructed kind of

693
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:02.280
<v Speaker 5>like these rickety they're not even like there there's supposed

694
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 5>to be handrails, but they're just so shaky and you're

695
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:09.039
<v Speaker 5>hunched over, you know, just you can't look up, you

696
00:41:09.039 --> 00:41:11.000
<v Speaker 5>can't look down, you're going to get stuff in your eyes.

697
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:14.880
<v Speaker 5>But we had some wild time, like we did the

698
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.519
<v Speaker 5>l We were doing the lb RP a lot of places,

699
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:19.800
<v Speaker 5>but like doing the lb r P at the top

700
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 5>of the pyramid.

701
00:41:21.719 --> 00:41:25.760
<v Speaker 2>It you mar you do the LBRP yourself too, Yes,

702
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 2>then we do. That's pretty cool really. Yeah. Even in

703
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.159
<v Speaker 2>the oto, there wasn't that all the women did these.

704
00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:35.719
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, no, I mean it was pretty standard the

705
00:41:35.760 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 5>first Like we we were doing it in many places,

706
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:42.960
<v Speaker 5>and I think that there are certain places where it

707
00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 5>felt really amplified.

708
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 2>That's cool, you.

709
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:51.320
<v Speaker 5>Know, but to be to be at the very top

710
00:41:51.320 --> 00:41:53.239
<v Speaker 5>of the pyramid and then climb all the way down

711
00:41:53.360 --> 00:41:56.639
<v Speaker 5>and then climb on hands and knees to get to

712
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:00.840
<v Speaker 5>the I don't even know what you call it, subterranean

713
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:05.679
<v Speaker 5>portion of the Great ParaMed underworld literally going through the

714
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.880
<v Speaker 5>duot like. Yeah, And but my whole thing with that

715
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 5>was I wanted to put offerings down at the base

716
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 5>at the you know, in the pyramid, so you come

717
00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:20.320
<v Speaker 5>out through like you crawl, you go through, and then

718
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 5>you come out into an open, more open area. That

719
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:25.639
<v Speaker 5>may have been intentional.

720
00:42:26.039 --> 00:42:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. See the reason why I asked is when I

721
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 2>was covering this stuff recently we're recording it. There are

722
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 2>when you start going from especially in the dark too,

723
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 2>it's actually wild. There's so many things that like going

724
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 2>from a small area and then to a bigger area,

725
00:42:43.480 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 2>you'll see that kind of happen. I forgot it might

726
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:47.079
<v Speaker 2>have been a Karnak or too or something like that,

727
00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:50.599
<v Speaker 2>certain certain other Egyptian things. I've even noticed it in

728
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:53.480
<v Speaker 2>but that when you repeatedly do that, I don't know

729
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.599
<v Speaker 2>if they knew then, but it starts to actually make

730
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.199
<v Speaker 2>you focus in a certain part of your brain and

731
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.039
<v Speaker 2>you certain nerves start kicking in. So I wonder is

732
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.280
<v Speaker 2>that all done on purpose? Like again, is this a

733
00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:07.320
<v Speaker 2>whole and an initiatory thing? Going through all that through

734
00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:07.760
<v Speaker 2>your body?

735
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 3>All the mystery schools had those where you would be

736
00:43:10.679 --> 00:43:14.679
<v Speaker 3>confined and then it would open in the cabin, flashing lights,

737
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 3>all kinds of sensory you know, and you are you

738
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:22.880
<v Speaker 3>are affecting the senses for the purpose of, you know,

739
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 3>rising the self.

740
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.679
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, I mean, and every place had some element of that.

741
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 5>I even think us going in the middle of the

742
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 5>night affected our senses in that way. When we went

743
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 5>to Karnak, we went at again, it was like three o'clock,

744
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.280
<v Speaker 5>four o'clock in the morning, and I remember walking through

745
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 5>and having the wildest soul retrieval experience, like walking up

746
00:43:51.840 --> 00:43:55.079
<v Speaker 5>like through there's like different archways, and I swear every

747
00:43:55.119 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 5>time we went through the archway like some things would

748
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:02.079
<v Speaker 5>come back, and then we ended up in the time

749
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:04.719
<v Speaker 5>like in the room with sec Met I think Adam,

750
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.039
<v Speaker 5>it was you, me and two other people because we

751
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.360
<v Speaker 5>were going four at a time in the dark like

752
00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:16.119
<v Speaker 5>to go like make offerings, and it was it was

753
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:25.400
<v Speaker 5>very sensory, so quiet but so loud internally, you know, yeah,

754
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.320
<v Speaker 5>just it's it's and even and then even being on

755
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 5>the nile. We were on the nile for four days sailing,

756
00:44:30.840 --> 00:44:34.840
<v Speaker 5>so that was this whole other sensory experience. There's so

757
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.079
<v Speaker 5>many different things as well.

758
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you even said the pillars and the way you

759
00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.760
<v Speaker 2>walk through them? Uh, even cover that too, that depending

760
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:43.719
<v Speaker 2>on how they're cut. I think if they're cut concave

761
00:44:43.800 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>like around, it starts to create reverberational of them too. Yes,

762
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.199
<v Speaker 2>So like like that's wild that you even said that

763
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.440
<v Speaker 2>you feel something every time you're passing them. Well you do.

764
00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:57.679
<v Speaker 5>Oh no, I was just gonna say. The hieroglyphics to

765
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.400
<v Speaker 5>the way they're carved. They're not carved exactly at the

766
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:04.960
<v Speaker 5>same depth in every place because they calculated the sun

767
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.320
<v Speaker 5>and depending on the where the sun was at if

768
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:11.000
<v Speaker 5>it's too deep or not deep enough, the sun would

769
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:15.519
<v Speaker 5>blurt it out. Like so if you're going around in

770
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:19.880
<v Speaker 5>certain spaces, you'll notice that the the hieroglyphics are not

771
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 5>carved at the same depth because of the local based

772
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 5>on the location, right.

773
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:27.199
<v Speaker 3>And the type of mineral, you know, mineral that they're

774
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:30.760
<v Speaker 3>using in the different places to conduct different types of

775
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:34.280
<v Speaker 3>energies that you that you feel as you move through.

776
00:45:34.519 --> 00:45:37.079
<v Speaker 3>You know, these very in that you see that worldwide.

777
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:42.519
<v Speaker 3>As far as phenomenon with these builders ancient builder structures, Yeah, yeah.

778
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.079
<v Speaker 5>I mean there were so many things. I mean, we

779
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:49.280
<v Speaker 5>walked down was it like was it the oh gosh,

780
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 5>it's like pathway of the Sphinx. But there's this road

781
00:45:53.840 --> 00:45:58.119
<v Speaker 5>that goes from the Temple of Moot to Luxor and

782
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.239
<v Speaker 5>basically all of the museums all over the world that

783
00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:05.039
<v Speaker 5>have sphinxes and their collection basically taken them from this place.

784
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:08.920
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of like okay, like but at one point

785
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:14.320
<v Speaker 5>there was all sphinxes down the whole way, and they

786
00:46:14.360 --> 00:46:17.440
<v Speaker 5>actually did a New Year's celebration a few years ago

787
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 5>where they traveled that road and recorded it. But we

788
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.840
<v Speaker 5>did that road in silence at sunset, and it was

789
00:46:25.400 --> 00:46:27.719
<v Speaker 5>the most intense thing because then the prayer, the call

790
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.559
<v Speaker 5>to prayer started as well, because it's a Muslim country,

791
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:33.639
<v Speaker 5>so there would be these moments where you're walking and

792
00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 5>then the call to prayer would start and they're in

793
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:40.800
<v Speaker 5>silence and everything's reverberating, and you're around these like you know,

794
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 5>things just feel different there.

795
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, I covered all that like a couple of

796
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. Man, I'm so jealous you went through that shit.

797
00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 5>You got to go.

798
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I was even showing like the pathway with all the sphinx.

799
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:57.119
<v Speaker 2>That is awesome. You got to walk through the I

800
00:46:57.119 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 2>thought that shit looked so fucking cool when I was

801
00:46:58.800 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 2>looking at it.

802
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:00.840
<v Speaker 5>On one you gotta go.

803
00:47:01.599 --> 00:47:07.519
<v Speaker 2>And Egyptians on my Egypt on my book and listen, Yeah, what.

804
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:10.679
<v Speaker 6>Each of you guys want to go and like do

805
00:47:10.880 --> 00:47:17.960
<v Speaker 6>this whole thing. It's like it's clearly it's a big undertaking.

806
00:47:18.199 --> 00:47:21.360
<v Speaker 6>It's like you're traveling somewhere. It takes forever, you're gonna

807
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.519
<v Speaker 6>be there for a while. It's a completely different environment.

808
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:27.360
<v Speaker 6>Obviously there's a spiritual benefit to it, it's still kind

809
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:30.280
<v Speaker 6>of a big undertaking. So I'm curious that you guys

810
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 6>could both speak to what was the inspiration in terms

811
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:37.280
<v Speaker 6>of wanting to go, why then, and all of that

812
00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.559
<v Speaker 6>kind of stuff that led up to that decision to go.

813
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Adam, I mean, yeah, I just kind of try to

814
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:50.840
<v Speaker 1>pay attention to what crosses my path. Egypt had been

815
00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:54.360
<v Speaker 1>on my radar for a few years prior to that,

816
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>and then all of a sudden dropped like, Hey, we're

817
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:01.880
<v Speaker 1>going to take a trip to Egypt, if anybody wants

818
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:05.440
<v Speaker 1>to go, So I instantly messaged her and started talking

819
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:11.760
<v Speaker 1>to her about it. It was a It's definitely like

820
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't really know what to expect out of it

821
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:20.000
<v Speaker 1>because I had not met any single person on that trip,

822
00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:24.440
<v Speaker 1>and person very spoke to anybody. Flew eighteen hours to

823
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:29.440
<v Speaker 1>get there, So it was definitely a lot of with

824
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:33.039
<v Speaker 1>me overcoming a lot of my fears and anxieties and

825
00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:36.440
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, and then being able to lock up

826
00:48:36.480 --> 00:48:39.079
<v Speaker 1>with a wonderful group and so.

827
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, and it's like, you know, we can romanticize

828
00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:47.559
<v Speaker 5>the trip all day long, but you know, there's also

829
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 5>there's things that come with that, you know, type of

830
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:54.079
<v Speaker 5>travel and making sure you're traveling with the right people

831
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:58.800
<v Speaker 5>as well. You know, I've been obsessed with Egypt since

832
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.360
<v Speaker 5>I was a little girl, like hammels were my favorite animal.

833
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:04.159
<v Speaker 5>When I was little, everybody thought I was WEIRDO. I

834
00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:08.000
<v Speaker 5>used to make little Egyptian scenes in shoe boxes, like

835
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:11.719
<v Speaker 5>living in Rhode Island, you know where? What? Like why

836
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:16.840
<v Speaker 5>would I know about this? You know? And always had

837
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:20.280
<v Speaker 5>a connection. My first tattoo is Isis. When I was eighteen,

838
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.599
<v Speaker 5>I asked her to be my mother. And there's just

839
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:28.800
<v Speaker 5>a lot of there's always been a strong, strong poll

840
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:33.199
<v Speaker 5>and connection. And I taught with twenty two Teachings, which

841
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.599
<v Speaker 5>is Na High School, as a guest teacher, multiple times,

842
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.639
<v Speaker 5>and I had done readings out of there, and I'd

843
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:41.880
<v Speaker 5>always had it on my list as a bucket list trip,

844
00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:44.360
<v Speaker 5>but I honestly didn't think I would get there until

845
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:48.199
<v Speaker 5>maybe if I ever got there, maybe my sixties or seventies.

846
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:55.599
<v Speaker 5>And then, you know, circumstance just happened to align. My

847
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:00.559
<v Speaker 5>grandmother had passed, and I just my life as kind

848
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.599
<v Speaker 5>of person that I felt very tethered to, like wasn't

849
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:09.559
<v Speaker 5>here anymore. And then this that same weak Naha had

850
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.000
<v Speaker 5>put out that she was kind of curating this trip,

851
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 5>and I just felt like I gotta go do this.

852
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:18.559
<v Speaker 5>I gotta do it now. You know, sometimes you deal

853
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:20.719
<v Speaker 5>with loss and you deal with it in different ways.

854
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 5>You're like, you know what, like life's long and short,

855
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 5>so let's figure it out. And it just aligned and

856
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:28.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, and she was like, do you want to

857
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:33.719
<v Speaker 5>teach on this trip as well? It's like teach in Egypt? Absolutely,

858
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.519
<v Speaker 5>like because we all got to bring our own kind

859
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:41.039
<v Speaker 5>of offerings. I was able to teach my timeline jumping

860
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:47.360
<v Speaker 5>meditation on the Nile twice, which was insane, but you

861
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:51.599
<v Speaker 5>don't say no to opportunities like that, and so it

862
00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:55.440
<v Speaker 5>was really, Yeah, it was something that I'm when I

863
00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:59.800
<v Speaker 5>when we were flying in, I absolutely felt like a

864
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.760
<v Speaker 5>sense of coming home in a way.

865
00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

866
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 6>Can I ask what was the hardest part about the

867
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:10.480
<v Speaker 6>trip for both of you?

868
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>I would say like just the beginning of it, because

869
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.760
<v Speaker 1>as soon as I got there, everybody just kind of

870
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 1>felt right together.

871
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:27.800
<v Speaker 5>You know.

872
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking earlier about you were talking about the

873
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 1>different rituals and stuff. Do you remember the very first

874
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:39.039
<v Speaker 1>one was at Osarius's temple down below, and the two

875
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.280
<v Speaker 1>people that were wandering around got stuck in the room

876
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:46.000
<v Speaker 1>with us and just jumped right into the ritual and

877
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:49.199
<v Speaker 1>just started participating with us. It was a mother and daughter.

878
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:53.719
<v Speaker 1>It was so beautiful. But yeah, mine was because I

879
00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:55.679
<v Speaker 1>was going to be traveling alone. I was going to

880
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.159
<v Speaker 1>be joining a group of people I've never met in

881
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.320
<v Speaker 1>my whole life. It was a lot of money to

882
00:52:01.360 --> 00:52:05.079
<v Speaker 1>get there. I was going to be there for fourteen days.

883
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know what if you get there

884
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden you absolutely hate everybody that

885
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:13.280
<v Speaker 1>you're like, or not hate, but just not click with them,

886
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:17.239
<v Speaker 1>you know. And I'm like four fourteen days and not

887
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.159
<v Speaker 1>being able to get in my car and just drive

888
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:22.199
<v Speaker 1>home because I'm done with it. It's a big thing

889
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:23.840
<v Speaker 1>to kind of overcome, you know.

890
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.320
<v Speaker 5>I think it was fourteen days.

891
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Adam, Well, I think the trip itself was like, wasn't

892
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.039
<v Speaker 1>there like fourteen? The journey was fourteen, but then the

893
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:37.639
<v Speaker 1>flight like a cole days. Yeah, but yeah, it was

894
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.320
<v Speaker 1>a wonderful experience and I'm grateful that I had an

895
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:45.159
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to go. Also, Marcella prepped us prior by doing

896
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:52.199
<v Speaker 1>a past life Egyptian meditation, which was really really insightful

897
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:54.840
<v Speaker 1>and kind of made it where you kind of flick

898
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:56.719
<v Speaker 1>you to saying like as soon as you landed there,

899
00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you felt like you were supposed to be there, you know.

900
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.199
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, we did a lot of prep work and I

901
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:06.320
<v Speaker 5>think that also helped. You know, we met with our

902
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:10.119
<v Speaker 5>one of our Egyptian tour guides, Machmu Kuder, who's amazing,

903
00:53:10.400 --> 00:53:14.800
<v Speaker 5>who's a scholar, he teaches many classes, but he did

904
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:18.039
<v Speaker 5>a hieroglyphics class with us all, you know, a few

905
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.840
<v Speaker 5>months prior online and he was like our main tour

906
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:25.119
<v Speaker 5>guide and it was his boats that we were on

907
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:29.519
<v Speaker 5>as well. We also did a Netaru class with isis

908
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:34.360
<v Speaker 5>injury from twenty two. I'm sorry, Academy of Oracle Arts.

909
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:38.159
<v Speaker 5>I think the challenging thing for me because at that

910
00:53:38.320 --> 00:53:44.320
<v Speaker 5>time too was I had actually I had to get

911
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:48.760
<v Speaker 5>on beta blockers because I'm never like, I have immense

912
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:52.239
<v Speaker 5>anxiety and a lot of people don't realize that I'm

913
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.039
<v Speaker 5>also autistic. I have a lot of kind of things.

914
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:57.440
<v Speaker 5>But I was like, I got to overcome, like get

915
00:53:57.480 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 5>over a lot of this stuff because this trip is

916
00:53:59.719 --> 00:54:04.079
<v Speaker 5>big than my shit, essentially, and so there's a lot

917
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:07.760
<v Speaker 5>of preparation involved. Actually the physical preparation prior. I actually

918
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.519
<v Speaker 5>worked with a trainer too, just because at that time

919
00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.679
<v Speaker 5>it was like the best shape I was ever in

920
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.320
<v Speaker 5>my life, like getting prepped because I knew I didn't

921
00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 5>want to miss anything, you know, so the prep was

922
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:24.679
<v Speaker 5>kind of grueling. Being there at times for me energetically

923
00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:29.280
<v Speaker 5>was a challenge. In certain places, there's a lot of

924
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:34.199
<v Speaker 5>aggressive selling. People are constantly trying to you know, be

925
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.760
<v Speaker 5>like give give you stuff, like make you. It can

926
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 5>be a little bit daunting. I and that can be

927
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 5>very overstimulating and frustrating.

928
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:47.280
<v Speaker 2>Like people trying to put stuff in your hands already

929
00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:47.719
<v Speaker 2>and ask.

930
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:50.320
<v Speaker 5>Oh, and then they're like, you owe me this money

931
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.239
<v Speaker 5>they charge you for toilet like literally for everything. You know,

932
00:54:53.280 --> 00:54:54.800
<v Speaker 5>they're like, give me money you give I'll give you

933
00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.480
<v Speaker 5>a toilet paper. You know. We actually had an experience

934
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.480
<v Speaker 5>Adam to remember this and the one market we like

935
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:04.320
<v Speaker 5>were allowed to go on our own for a little bit,

936
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.840
<v Speaker 5>but we're supposed to go together and we had gone

937
00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.519
<v Speaker 5>there was like this girl I was with and then

938
00:55:11.719 --> 00:55:14.760
<v Speaker 5>you know, Adam was with us, but then she was

939
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.599
<v Speaker 5>taken off all over the place. My biggest issue sometimes

940
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:22.440
<v Speaker 5>is just other people, right, So like she took off

941
00:55:22.440 --> 00:55:24.800
<v Speaker 5>and left, and like I bought a couple of things

942
00:55:24.800 --> 00:55:27.280
<v Speaker 5>from this vendor and then I walked back and Adam

943
00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:29.000
<v Speaker 5>and I walked back, but like we're not supposed to

944
00:55:29.079 --> 00:55:32.400
<v Speaker 5>leave each other. This guy came running out at me

945
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.480
<v Speaker 5>and started yelling at me, saying I didn't pay him fully,

946
00:55:37.320 --> 00:55:40.320
<v Speaker 5>and I know, damn well I did, and he was trying,

947
00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:41.679
<v Speaker 5>and he was trying, and he was trying to be

948
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:44.360
<v Speaker 5>scary and as a woman, and you know, like in

949
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.599
<v Speaker 5>that country and like not knowing the language. I barely

950
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.280
<v Speaker 5>I know a few words, but that was it. Fortunately,

951
00:55:51.480 --> 00:55:54.320
<v Speaker 5>one of our other guides he came out from behind

952
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:58.679
<v Speaker 5>a pole and he was like starts yelling at him,

953
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.440
<v Speaker 5>and then the guy just started going, oh, oh, forgive me, madam,

954
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:04.840
<v Speaker 5>please forgive me, Please forgive me. And I was like,

955
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.400
<v Speaker 5>you're forgiven. It's cool, Like it's good, we're good. I

956
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:12.159
<v Speaker 5>paid you go and he started backing away and then

957
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:14.000
<v Speaker 5>he like turned around and then he turned around again

958
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 5>and it was like, madam, please forgive me. So I

959
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:17.719
<v Speaker 5>was like, Khalid, what did you say to him? He goes,

960
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:19.920
<v Speaker 5>I told him you were a witch and you're going

961
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:25.840
<v Speaker 5>to curse him. I was like, oh god, but I

962
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:26.280
<v Speaker 5>love that.

963
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:27.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

964
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.320
<v Speaker 5>It was like it was it was pretty intense, and

965
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:31.599
<v Speaker 5>I was like, yeah, okay, I'm a witch.

966
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:35.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah you know like uh, but you know, so it

967
00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 4>can be daunting on you if you have a lot

968
00:56:39.280 --> 00:56:42.440
<v Speaker 4>of you know, you got to be with people who

969
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:45.079
<v Speaker 4>are strong. You got to be with people meaning mentally,

970
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:48.199
<v Speaker 4>emotionally you can stand up for yourself. It's you know,

971
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 4>there's there's those aspects where it can be grueling. Also

972
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:56.239
<v Speaker 4>Cairo for me was hard to be and a lot

973
00:56:56.280 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 4>of the time, uh because you know, everyone.

974
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.719
<v Speaker 5>Like they're burning trash, they're smoking cigarettes, There's cars, trucks, animals,

975
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:10.920
<v Speaker 5>people everywhere. You're just like I had a migraine, you know,

976
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.000
<v Speaker 5>at like one point that took me out for a

977
00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:16.119
<v Speaker 5>full day and it was the only time I missed anything.

978
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.320
<v Speaker 5>But they were going to a museum and I was like,

979
00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:20.840
<v Speaker 5>it's fine, I don't I just I need to be

980
00:57:20.880 --> 00:57:23.639
<v Speaker 5>able to get to the sites. I'll miss the museum.

981
00:57:24.400 --> 00:57:26.760
<v Speaker 5>But you know, and you gotta be careful with what

982
00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:30.559
<v Speaker 5>you're consuming, making sure you're taking like you know, the

983
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.800
<v Speaker 5>right enzymes and things like that, and Kate, you know,

984
00:57:32.960 --> 00:57:35.800
<v Speaker 5>not brushing your teeth with the water like you know,

985
00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:39.039
<v Speaker 5>like things like that that you have to be mindful of.

986
00:57:40.239 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 5>Also just be respectful, you know. I didn't find it

987
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.920
<v Speaker 5>hard to be respectful, like you know, I covered my

988
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 5>head and I you know, you covered my shoulders, my

989
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:56.239
<v Speaker 5>knees like things like that. They're not anti like tattoos

990
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:59.760
<v Speaker 5>or anything like that, but it's just modesty. And there

991
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:02.920
<v Speaker 5>are some places obviously where it's more touristy and there's

992
00:58:02.960 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 5>all kinds, but like just be respectful. Like would you

993
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:11.119
<v Speaker 5>want someone coming in your house being loud and obnoxious

994
00:58:11.159 --> 00:58:14.840
<v Speaker 5>and going this isn't vegan, Like I get it, Like

995
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:20.239
<v Speaker 5>these are things that are like you know, like they

996
00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:22.880
<v Speaker 5>would prepare a lot of times there's like, you know,

997
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:27.480
<v Speaker 5>this kind of understanding of like, hey, we can do vegetarian,

998
00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:30.360
<v Speaker 5>but we don't have this special stuff for you, like

999
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:34.400
<v Speaker 5>we have this and you acclimate you you go with

1000
00:58:34.519 --> 00:58:37.480
<v Speaker 5>you know, like you're you know, I just think you're

1001
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.800
<v Speaker 5>in someone else's house. You're in a different country. I

1002
00:58:39.840 --> 00:58:41.199
<v Speaker 5>think you need to be more.

1003
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 1>Open to when in Rome.

1004
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:46.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, like you don't have to do everything they do.

1005
00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:49.800
<v Speaker 5>But you know, I just thought it was interesting because

1006
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:55.880
<v Speaker 5>some people how their expectations and specialness they tried to

1007
00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:58.639
<v Speaker 5>take it with them everywhere and I and it just

1008
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:01.920
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, I'm like, we're all humaning having this

1009
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:06.239
<v Speaker 5>experience like this isn't your show, Like it's not. You're

1010
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:08.800
<v Speaker 5>not the main character right now. You're literally like in

1011
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.840
<v Speaker 5>another country for ritual, Like I.

1012
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:15.400
<v Speaker 6>Honestly like a trip like that, Like it is all

1013
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:18.480
<v Speaker 6>of that practical kind of logistical stuff that would be

1014
00:59:18.559 --> 00:59:21.360
<v Speaker 6>like my biggest kind of worry, Like I've got so

1015
00:59:21.440 --> 00:59:25.960
<v Speaker 6>many allergies, Like I'm like because I've got allergies like nuts,

1016
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:28.400
<v Speaker 6>I'm allergic to this, I'm allergric to that. Like my

1017
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 6>stem is so delicate. So it's like if I did

1018
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:33.119
<v Speaker 6>for water by accident, like I'm going to be the

1019
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.840
<v Speaker 6>one that's gonna up for sure, even if everyone else

1020
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:39.880
<v Speaker 6>is fine. So how does everyone kind of deal with

1021
00:59:40.280 --> 00:59:45.360
<v Speaker 6>like all of that kind of logistical biology aspect because

1022
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.639
<v Speaker 6>it's like, like you said, it's like some stuff you

1023
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:50.960
<v Speaker 6>just can't get or there's certain things like the standards

1024
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:54.000
<v Speaker 6>are maybe different, the norms are different, but we all

1025
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.599
<v Speaker 6>like our bodies are acclimatized, let's say, like living in

1026
00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:59.159
<v Speaker 6>the West, Like how do you kind of cope with them?

1027
00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:01.400
<v Speaker 5>I will say it depends on who you go with

1028
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:05.679
<v Speaker 5>as well, Like we had a really good guide and group,

1029
01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:09.159
<v Speaker 5>like we were really supported and taken care of and

1030
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.320
<v Speaker 5>if we had questions we could ask. They did everything

1031
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:16.320
<v Speaker 5>they could to meet certain accommodations, especially for people who

1032
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:20.840
<v Speaker 5>had say autoimmune and different things. But there are some

1033
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:25.360
<v Speaker 5>things that you just can't predict, you know. But but

1034
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:29.719
<v Speaker 5>the you know, for the most part, everyone is really

1035
01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:36.639
<v Speaker 5>like you know, was able to advocate for what they needed.

1036
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:39.039
<v Speaker 5>But also it wasn't hard to because we had such

1037
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:43.760
<v Speaker 5>a good you know, people holding the container for us.

1038
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:50.800
<v Speaker 6>That's awesome. Yeah, was that their first retreat, like the

1039
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:54.119
<v Speaker 6>folks who organized it, like their first one to Egypt?

1040
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:59.679
<v Speaker 5>No, Well, Academy of Oracal Arts does it twice a year,

1041
01:00:59.800 --> 01:01:04.719
<v Speaker 5>they do trips. It was twenty two teachings first trip. Okay, Yeah,

1042
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:08.159
<v Speaker 5>and mock mood is he's been doing this for a

1043
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:14.039
<v Speaker 5>few decades, like a couple decades, so he's very they people. Yeah,

1044
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:15.960
<v Speaker 5>they got it down. I think that's why we were

1045
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:20.280
<v Speaker 5>able to also get into certain places with the way

1046
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:23.679
<v Speaker 5>we were able to Like they let us like incense

1047
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:26.480
<v Speaker 5>in a temple that hadn't had sincel it in two

1048
01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.480
<v Speaker 5>hundred years.

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01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:33.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, right, go back, do another one.

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01:01:34.360 --> 01:01:36.440
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I would love to go back, but it's money,

1051
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:41.199
<v Speaker 5>you know, Like it's.

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01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I knew somebody was doing like some sort of Egyptian

1053
01:01:41.880 --> 01:01:43.679
<v Speaker 2>retreat where they were going to all these places, and

1054
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:45.159
<v Speaker 2>when I looked at the coast of it, I was like,

1055
01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:45.960
<v Speaker 2>fucking ches.

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01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:48.199
<v Speaker 6>I actually don't even know how much it costs. I

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01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:48.920
<v Speaker 6>imagine it's a.

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01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:52.800
<v Speaker 5>Lot for what we did and what was included. It

1059
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:57.920
<v Speaker 5>wasn't a lot in comparison, because oh yeah, I mean,

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01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:03.639
<v Speaker 5>I'm pretty sure they're going back. I know that twenty

1061
01:02:03.639 --> 01:02:08.320
<v Speaker 5>two is going back in twenty twenty seven. But from

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01:02:08.400 --> 01:02:11.360
<v Speaker 5>my just my take of what I what I spent,

1063
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:14.239
<v Speaker 5>I think it was like twelve hundred for my round

1064
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:19.599
<v Speaker 5>trip for my flight, and then the trip itself was

1065
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:24.920
<v Speaker 5>probably I think it was like eight grand, and then

1066
01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.599
<v Speaker 5>a little bit more. I think it ended up being

1067
01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:30.639
<v Speaker 5>about twelve hundred dollars or twelve, like twelve thousand. But

1068
01:02:32.360 --> 01:02:35.880
<v Speaker 5>your transportations included. You don't have to worry about that

1069
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:39.559
<v Speaker 5>your inner transportation throughout, because we're going by boat, we're

1070
01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.320
<v Speaker 5>going by bus. We were even taking interior flights to

1071
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:48.239
<v Speaker 5>a couple of places that were optional. You know, most

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01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:52.159
<v Speaker 5>of our meals were included. Obviously if you drink stuff

1073
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.159
<v Speaker 5>like that, like that extra stuff was not included. But

1074
01:02:55.280 --> 01:03:01.159
<v Speaker 5>your basic meals were included, and someone taking care of

1075
01:03:01.199 --> 01:03:03.440
<v Speaker 5>all the logistics and getting you checked in and all

1076
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:05.920
<v Speaker 5>that stuff. Like they even had someone meet us at

1077
01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:09.079
<v Speaker 5>the airport when we arrived and walk us through and

1078
01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:12.000
<v Speaker 5>get our visas and pass like through customs, Like it

1079
01:03:12.039 --> 01:03:15.280
<v Speaker 5>was like we just walked through. So to me, that

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01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:18.519
<v Speaker 5>kind of it ended up being it was about two

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01:03:18.559 --> 01:03:23.840
<v Speaker 5>and a half weeks total travel and all of so

1082
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:26.039
<v Speaker 5>that that's to me was worth it.

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01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, yeah, sure I went to Italy for

1084
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:31.519
<v Speaker 2>like two weeks. It was almost tang grand so I

1085
01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:32.199
<v Speaker 2>mean going out.

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01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:38.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, you know, there's and there

1087
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:41.239
<v Speaker 5>are parts that are really like I don't know, like

1088
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:47.880
<v Speaker 5>someone mentioned in the chat about uh Agatha Christie you know,

1089
01:03:48.920 --> 01:03:52.119
<v Speaker 5>and on the you know, on the Nile, and you

1090
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.320
<v Speaker 5>know we got to stay there in Elephantine Island, and

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01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:59.480
<v Speaker 5>I mean you just can't. You can't, like I don't know,

1092
01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.000
<v Speaker 5>like that kind of experience it's with me forever.

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01:04:02.800 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And it's probably all the stuff that you've been

1094
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:10.480
<v Speaker 3>reading about and kind of putting all your kind of

1095
01:04:12.199 --> 01:04:17.880
<v Speaker 3>wandering in two and then kind of the fruit it

1096
01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:18.960
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't have actually had.

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01:04:20.800 --> 01:04:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Losing experience is beautiful glitched out.

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01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:31.679
<v Speaker 5>I got it. Yeah, it was incredible, I think, but

1099
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.519
<v Speaker 5>I definitely could see it being hard, if harder if

1100
01:04:35.679 --> 01:04:41.800
<v Speaker 5>there's other things to consider, just because you know, you know,

1101
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:46.239
<v Speaker 5>if again dietary, autoimmune or other things, you know, you

1102
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:50.880
<v Speaker 5>have to take extra precautions. But I would feel like

1103
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.079
<v Speaker 5>okay with them, Like I didn't like if anything went wrong,

1104
01:04:54.280 --> 01:04:57.199
<v Speaker 5>like there were people that they knew what to do.

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01:04:57.960 --> 01:04:58.400
<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm.

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01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:04.440
<v Speaker 1>Also I'd like to add they made sure that through

1108
01:05:04.559 --> 01:05:08.000
<v Speaker 1>certain parts of Egypt we had police escorts and there

1109
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.159
<v Speaker 1>was an orang guard with us at all times, so

1110
01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:13.760
<v Speaker 1>they made sure that our safety was took care of,

1111
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.719
<v Speaker 1>you know. And the places we stayed too, were like

1112
01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:22.639
<v Speaker 1>very very upscale places. So I think Morgan Freeman stayed

1113
01:05:22.679 --> 01:05:28.880
<v Speaker 1>in one of the places Prince Charles stayed in. Use Yeah, yeah,

1114
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:31.920
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it was it was. It was stuff that

1115
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 1>you probably couldn't set up if you were to make

1116
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:37.719
<v Speaker 1>this trip on your own, you know.

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01:05:38.039 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 6>So that's awesome. Please escorts sound.

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01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:47.079
<v Speaker 1>It was cool and pretty nothing like their police is

1119
01:05:47.119 --> 01:05:49.719
<v Speaker 1>nothing like our police. It was like a truck in

1120
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:51.679
<v Speaker 1>front of you with a guy standing there with a

1121
01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:56.039
<v Speaker 1>machine gun, you know, so a lot of Yeah, it

1122
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:57.719
<v Speaker 1>was quite quite intimidating.

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01:05:58.280 --> 01:06:02.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm so disappointed you didn't put that on Instagram.

1124
01:06:03.119 --> 01:06:07.440
<v Speaker 6>That's what I want to see.

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01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.000
<v Speaker 5>I'm in Arizona, now I can. I can post all

1126
01:06:10.000 --> 01:06:14.320
<v Speaker 5>the eight CA's you want.

1127
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:18.320
<v Speaker 6>Joking, kind of not joking. I think that's a cool

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01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:20.480
<v Speaker 6>aspect of it that I had no idea about that.

1129
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:23.880
<v Speaker 6>It's so interesting to see like that extra detail just

1130
01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:27.639
<v Speaker 6>make so much more like real. And then that taught

1131
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:29.599
<v Speaker 6>me between like all right, we got some cops on

1132
01:06:29.639 --> 01:06:32.000
<v Speaker 6>either side of us about the fuck people up. If

1133
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.000
<v Speaker 6>they bug us, all right, we're gonna go like light

1134
01:06:35.119 --> 01:06:37.519
<v Speaker 6>some incense and like super you know what I mean.

1135
01:06:37.760 --> 01:06:39.840
<v Speaker 6>I kind of love that combination.

1136
01:06:40.639 --> 01:06:42.920
<v Speaker 5>What are these moments where you're like, okay, one of

1137
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:45.840
<v Speaker 5>the temple guards walks up and the sun is coming up.

1138
01:06:45.880 --> 01:06:48.519
<v Speaker 5>We've done our ritual, and I was like in full

1139
01:06:50.719 --> 01:06:53.639
<v Speaker 5>at felae at isis Is Temple, I like got dressed

1140
01:06:53.719 --> 01:06:55.440
<v Speaker 5>up because I knew. I was like, this is my

1141
01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:57.719
<v Speaker 5>this is my mother, this is my thing, you know.

1142
01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.880
<v Speaker 5>And this guy comes walking up, he's got to ak strapped.

1143
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.559
<v Speaker 5>He's like you look really cool. Like I was like,

1144
01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:11.679
<v Speaker 5>thank you, Old Egypt, Old Egypt. And equal like this.

1145
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:17.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1146
01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:20.000
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, so it's very like, you know, you're like,

1147
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:28.840
<v Speaker 5>we where am I? Yeah, so there's definitely this appreciation,

1148
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:33.119
<v Speaker 5>for sure of getting the opportunity to do that and

1149
01:07:33.159 --> 01:07:36.480
<v Speaker 5>then to make something physical out of it. I'm I'm

1150
01:07:36.559 --> 01:07:43.559
<v Speaker 5>I feel very fortunate too, you know. Oh that's funny

1151
01:07:43.559 --> 01:07:53.239
<v Speaker 5>typical female behavior from William dubs Welsh. Thank you, William.

1152
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:57.119
<v Speaker 5>I don't know anyway, Yeah, it is a it was

1153
01:07:57.159 --> 01:08:01.280
<v Speaker 5>a good time and I feel very fortunate this, you know,

1154
01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:03.800
<v Speaker 5>and then to also have a really good collaborator like

1155
01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:05.360
<v Speaker 5>with Adam, because it is so rare.

1156
01:08:08.480 --> 01:08:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to ask you maybe just a few

1157
01:08:11.280 --> 01:08:13.039
<v Speaker 2>more questions a little bit about the deck before we

1158
01:08:13.039 --> 01:08:13.599
<v Speaker 2>wrap it up.

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01:08:14.199 --> 01:08:17.720
<v Speaker 6>Actually, I've got another question before we switched to the

1160
01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.399
<v Speaker 6>So you said it's a Muslim country. So did you

1161
01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:25.319
<v Speaker 6>guys encounter any like Egyptians who were more interested in

1162
01:08:25.520 --> 01:08:29.199
<v Speaker 6>kind of the ancient Egyptian spirituality or or they that

1163
01:08:29.239 --> 01:08:32.079
<v Speaker 6>you met like more kind of Muslim oriented, or like

1164
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.760
<v Speaker 6>what was their kind of relationship that something that you

1165
01:08:34.800 --> 01:08:37.600
<v Speaker 6>were exposed to it like with let's say type of

1166
01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:39.279
<v Speaker 6>spiritual work that you guys were there to do.

1167
01:08:40.159 --> 01:08:42.319
<v Speaker 5>I mean, there's definitely a love and a respect for

1168
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:46.640
<v Speaker 5>the history of the ancient Egyptian culture by the Egyptian people.

1169
01:08:47.119 --> 01:08:49.279
<v Speaker 5>And there are a lot of people that are really

1170
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:53.880
<v Speaker 5>knowledgeable about their history and there's more of this. There

1171
01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:59.720
<v Speaker 5>is a big preservation element in the community. We met

1172
01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:05.000
<v Speaker 5>a lot of people who were doing restoration and more

1173
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:11.119
<v Speaker 5>from a educational perspective. They you know, and I just

1174
01:09:11.199 --> 01:09:16.000
<v Speaker 5>I really liked the the the way that it was

1175
01:09:16.119 --> 01:09:20.319
<v Speaker 5>more they there is just a different It wasn't just like, oh,

1176
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:23.199
<v Speaker 5>this is just a tourist thing that there were capitalizing on.

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01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:28.079
<v Speaker 5>There's a genuine love and appreciation for the archival aspects

1178
01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:30.680
<v Speaker 5>of it. As far as there's also a big Coptic

1179
01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:35.439
<v Speaker 5>Christian community there, so like there's a few different things

1180
01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:40.159
<v Speaker 5>going on. Yeah, there's like a few different things. So

1181
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:45.079
<v Speaker 5>it's not just all Muslim like as far as religious

1182
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.760
<v Speaker 5>kind of takes on things there, there's quite a few different.

1183
01:09:49.359 --> 01:09:52.399
<v Speaker 6>The Coptics are quite persecuted though they.

1184
01:09:52.600 --> 01:09:55.880
<v Speaker 5>They are, but there's also and then also the Amazigs.

1185
01:09:55.920 --> 01:09:57.920
<v Speaker 5>You know, people don't realize a lot of people with

1186
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:02.479
<v Speaker 5>the Amazig community. They think they're justin Morocco or you know,

1187
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:06.800
<v Speaker 5>Atlas Mountains. But the Amazigs also lived in Egypt at

1188
01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:08.039
<v Speaker 5>one point and were pushed out.

1189
01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:12.119
<v Speaker 2>I schould have a Coptic church and has to fall

1190
01:10:12.119 --> 01:10:13.319
<v Speaker 2>away from me. I was kind of surprised.

1191
01:10:14.199 --> 01:10:16.359
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's a Coptic church right in Cairo. I think

1192
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:18.640
<v Speaker 5>that was the first stop that everyone went like through,

1193
01:10:18.640 --> 01:10:21.960
<v Speaker 5>like check out the Coptic church, you know. Mm hmm.

1194
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:25.319
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, I mean I do feel like it is.

1195
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:28.760
<v Speaker 5>The majority is a Muslim, but there is an interest

1196
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.920
<v Speaker 5>in the you know, more of the ancient religion there.

1197
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:35.600
<v Speaker 5>Just it's also a lot of capitalism there too.

1198
01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:42.800
<v Speaker 2>What that. Yeah, it's like it's like doing it still.

1199
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:48.000
<v Speaker 2>You might have to maybe turn off, you might and

1200
01:10:48.000 --> 01:10:50.000
<v Speaker 2>put it back on more so maybe it sounds.

1201
01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:55.399
<v Speaker 5>Like okay, well I have an electronic issues sometimes too weird. Yeah,

1202
01:10:55.399 --> 01:11:00.199
<v Speaker 5>I'm like electric electricity thing with with spirits and up.

1203
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:03.319
<v Speaker 5>So we'll see. Yeah, it did sound like it like

1204
01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:12.680
<v Speaker 5>repeated it back to me. It's like someone's trolling me.

1205
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:14.880
<v Speaker 5>You have a chip here?

1206
01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what was gonna start with you, Adam, I'm gonna

1207
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:22.640
<v Speaker 2>ask this question for both of you. Is there one

1208
01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:24.439
<v Speaker 2>card of that deck that speaks to you the most?

1209
01:11:26.520 --> 01:11:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Mm hm, Well, I'm sorry, I'm having a lot of

1210
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:40.079
<v Speaker 1>really bad audio on my part, Like it's real choppy

1211
01:11:40.079 --> 01:11:44.640
<v Speaker 1>and high pitch that's coming through. So I apologize for

1212
01:11:44.840 --> 01:11:48.760
<v Speaker 1>like not interacting and stuff. One of the cards that

1213
01:11:48.800 --> 01:11:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I really like is I forgot to bring my deck,

1214
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:54.640
<v Speaker 1>but I do have the original drawings right here that

1215
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:57.840
<v Speaker 1>I can shut. So one of my favorite is the

1216
01:11:57.920 --> 01:11:59.000
<v Speaker 1>polarity card.

1217
01:12:00.359 --> 01:12:01.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if you can see that.

1218
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:09.760
<v Speaker 1>And then also I am a fan of how the

1219
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:14.800
<v Speaker 1>grounded card came out. Which inspiration behind that is the

1220
01:12:14.800 --> 01:12:15.920
<v Speaker 1>middle Pillar ritual.

1221
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that ritual. Did you have a favorite?

1222
01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:30.279
<v Speaker 5>I love the offering card. Oh yeah, this one makes

1223
01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:32.319
<v Speaker 5>me really happy.

1224
01:12:32.680 --> 01:12:36.479
<v Speaker 1>Also, we were talking earlier about like little hidden things

1225
01:12:36.520 --> 01:12:38.039
<v Speaker 1>and there. If you kind of look at where the

1226
01:12:38.119 --> 01:12:40.880
<v Speaker 1>jewels are placed, it's where the spheres are on the

1227
01:12:40.920 --> 01:12:43.920
<v Speaker 1>tree of life. So there's a lot of those like

1228
01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:45.720
<v Speaker 1>hidden in the deck as well.

1229
01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:49.880
<v Speaker 5>And I just like the principle of the offering too,

1230
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:53.680
<v Speaker 5>is like a lot of times people think offering means

1231
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:59.640
<v Speaker 5>something physical, you know, and sometimes when you show up

1232
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:03.800
<v Speaker 5>as the offering, allowing yourself to be the vessel like that,

1233
01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:07.279
<v Speaker 5>that's one of the highest kind of offerings you can

1234
01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:13.600
<v Speaker 5>share with the world around you. So there's just this

1235
01:13:14.119 --> 01:13:17.319
<v Speaker 5>really beautiful I just think this like elevation in this

1236
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.920
<v Speaker 5>understanding of what offering is and not just being takers

1237
01:13:21.199 --> 01:13:25.319
<v Speaker 5>in the world like that.

1238
01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:26.720
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

1239
01:13:27.560 --> 01:13:33.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1240
01:13:33.199 --> 01:13:36.800
<v Speaker 2>What what do you hope someone becomes after living with

1241
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:37.760
<v Speaker 2>the deck for a year?

1242
01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:46.560
<v Speaker 5>M hope they become I think just I think they

1243
01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:55.920
<v Speaker 5>become more conscious of things outside of themselves and their relationship.

1244
01:13:56.399 --> 01:14:00.319
<v Speaker 5>You know, how everything is kind of dancing with each

1245
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:03.319
<v Speaker 5>other and it's not. Again, it's not like we live

1246
01:14:03.439 --> 01:14:06.680
<v Speaker 5>such a world that everyone's so self obsessed. And I

1247
01:14:06.680 --> 01:14:10.720
<v Speaker 5>think while I think yes, individual like being an individual

1248
01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:15.359
<v Speaker 5>and knowing who you are is important, but how you,

1249
01:14:15.359 --> 01:14:19.560
<v Speaker 5>you know, function within the world around you is also important.

1250
01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:25.000
<v Speaker 5>And also having an awareness that other more than two

1251
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:27.680
<v Speaker 5>things can exist at the same time and be right,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, just having a deeper connection and reverence for

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<v Speaker 5>themselves but in the world around them.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. I think that's a huge part of

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<v Speaker 2>magic actually is learning how your outside situation stimulates you

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<v Speaker 2>really or how you let it you know, or you're

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know not to get into it,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's just like, you know, you have all these

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<v Speaker 2>stimulations around you, and everybody's going to have a different

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<v Speaker 2>opinion about it. You know, it's almost like you kind

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<v Speaker 2>of chose whatever program or whatever you looked at or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you heard or whatever you smelled is going to

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<v Speaker 2>make you feel a certain way that's different to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like you take it on a pre

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<v Speaker 2>program that yourself. So yeah, I think that's really Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really important to learn and start the control.

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<v Speaker 1>What about you, Adam, I'm having difficulty with my sound

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment. Yes, so I wasn't really able to

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<v Speaker 1>catch most of that question. It's coming in kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like a speeded up version of Chipmunks.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, it's happening on your side now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So unfortunately I'm gonna probably sit that one

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<v Speaker 1>out because I can't really hear. Yeah, I apologize.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's great. All right, then I have one uh, Sabrina,

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<v Speaker 2>do you have anything you want to ask? I have

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<v Speaker 2>one more question left. Okay, So I guess for you, Marcel,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think is the most underst what do

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<v Speaker 2>you think is most misunderstood today about a cult practice

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<v Speaker 2>and symbolic work?

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<v Speaker 5>Mmm, that it's like demonic, like I mean everything, everyone's

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<v Speaker 5>like everything's demonic or that that's like it's bad. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, Like I get very upset when people talk

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<v Speaker 5>about Lucifer being bad. I just like I think there's

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<v Speaker 5>there's so many misconceptions based on satanic panic and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, all of that, Like there's just and I

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01:16:35.319 --> 01:16:38.159
<v Speaker 5>lived in La for so long, Like there's just so

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<v Speaker 5>much stuff like fed through media, like of I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>even with witches, with with diviners, with seers, with oracles,

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<v Speaker 5>they'll call any of that. It's it's gone through this

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<v Speaker 5>lens of like performance. And I think occultism is more

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<v Speaker 5>than performance. I also think have to be as serious

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<v Speaker 5>like everybody. You know, Like some people get crusty and

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01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:12.880
<v Speaker 5>serious about occultism, and I'm like, watch family guy, like

1294
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<v Speaker 5>loosen up a little bit, do something, you know, like yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>have fun with it, but be you know, obviously have reverence.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, we're not making fun of it, but we're

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<v Speaker 5>you know, you got to lighten up a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I think sometimes the world people get very

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<v Speaker 5>on their high horse about what's wrong and what's right.

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<v Speaker 5>And I just think that that's the problem with a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of things in occult ism, magic, all of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, I agree, that's awesome. Yeah, I think I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if you've seen me post it, but sometimes I'll

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<v Speaker 2>every once in a while just put a post on

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<v Speaker 2>says it's not all dicks and demons, Yes, and it

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01:17:54.920 --> 01:18:00.319
<v Speaker 2>shows the thing. Yeah no, but it's totally true. Certain

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<v Speaker 2>even you know podcasting, just keep it real. You know

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<v Speaker 2>in the conspiracy world where I used to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>start it, and it's very uh, it's very rough, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I tried, I tried to hope to educate them over there,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was just like everything satanic and everything's dick symbols. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I think that's the thing. You just have to

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<v Speaker 5>keep showing up and showing them that it's not because

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<v Speaker 5>telling people it isn't most people don't listen. You just

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<v Speaker 5>have to be an example.

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<v Speaker 2>The people accusing us of that. Man's doing it again. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>the people who accuse us of that are the ones

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<v Speaker 2>thinking about the demons and dix more than the fucking magicians.

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<v Speaker 5>Well oh yes, exactly. I'm like, what's your fix on it?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you very much. That was really that was

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<v Speaker 2>a fun, fun interview. Even the chipmunks that was even

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<v Speaker 2>fun too. Thank you for both coming on, especially Adam

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<v Speaker 2>I knew you were nervous, you know, and you're not

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<v Speaker 2>used to doing this, so I appreciate you coming on,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I like to be able to get the

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<v Speaker 2>artist on that of course, of course before we wrap

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<v Speaker 2>it up. Yeah, of course, before we wrap it up

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<v Speaker 2>and let you guys plug your stuff again, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>let Sabrina and Robbie you know, plug themselves. So, Sabrina,

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<v Speaker 2>what is up? Let everybody know where they can find

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<v Speaker 2>your stuff again, please, friends.

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<v Speaker 6>So my YouTube is Sabrina Scott no m. Everything else

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<v Speaker 6>you can find me under Sabrina M.

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<v Speaker 2>Scott.

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<v Speaker 6>So for anyone who doesn't know me, I've been pressing

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01:19:24.720 --> 01:19:27.920
<v Speaker 6>witchcraft for like twenty five years, same with Taro. I

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<v Speaker 6>do this shit professionally, and I babbled too much on

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01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:33.399
<v Speaker 6>the internet. Got two podcasts, The Secrets of a Witch

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01:19:33.439 --> 01:19:36.039
<v Speaker 6>podcast and the Heal and Harm Show Nick has been

1341
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:38.880
<v Speaker 6>on It's a good time. So if you're interested in

1342
01:19:39.600 --> 01:19:43.840
<v Speaker 6>real shit, interesting conversations, depth of practice, feel free to

1343
01:19:43.880 --> 01:19:46.439
<v Speaker 6>check out my stuff. I've got four journals out, five

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01:19:46.479 --> 01:19:49.399
<v Speaker 6>books now, one of which has like been loitering behind

1345
01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:52.359
<v Speaker 6>me here. So yeah, I don't know, that's my that's

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01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:54.800
<v Speaker 6>my shtick. Thanks so much for inviting me, Like I

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01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:57.359
<v Speaker 6>always love coming on and so fun to hang out

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<v Speaker 6>with you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for making it, Sabrina Robbie March the storyteller himself.

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<v Speaker 2>What is going on, sir?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, this was great, Thanks for having me and

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01:20:05.640 --> 01:20:07.800
<v Speaker 3>it's good to meet tell you guys. As far as

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01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:10.239
<v Speaker 3>my stuff, you can go to my link tree which

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01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.439
<v Speaker 3>is link tree r M A r X and that'll

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<v Speaker 3>pull up everything. And yeah, it was great Ton, thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Nan of course, of course, thank you. And I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>Adam if you can hear me, but if you want,

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<v Speaker 2>you can promote yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you can find me on Instagram. My user name

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01:20:28.000 --> 01:20:34.800
<v Speaker 1>is Adam baum L thirteen And yeah I always comment

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<v Speaker 1>back and reply back to messages and stuff, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much for coming on, So I really

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate it, and please thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thanks for having us, Thank you for having us.

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<v Speaker 5>It was so good to see you all. What a surprise,

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<v Speaker 5>Sace to see you, Sabrina treatd And yeah, my my website,

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<v Speaker 5>my Instagram it's Marcelo Croll dot com or at Marcelo

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<v Speaker 5>Corol on Instagram. The Initiates Oracle is coming out May fourth.

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<v Speaker 5>It's up for pre order now. Adam and I will

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<v Speaker 5>both be flying to LA to do a deck signing

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<v Speaker 5>at the Philosophical Research Society on May ninth, which is

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01:21:15.079 --> 01:21:18.279
<v Speaker 5>really exciting. And then on May sixteenth and Tucson, I

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<v Speaker 5>will be doing an Initiates deck signing at Nexus Occult

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<v Speaker 5>Bookstore and Audity shop here in town, which is also Yeah,

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01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:29.359
<v Speaker 5>just a cool spot. If you are in the Tucson area,

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01:21:29.439 --> 01:21:33.560
<v Speaker 5>say hi and yeah, all my other stuff you can

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01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:37.760
<v Speaker 5>find like on my website or in my beacons link

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01:21:37.840 --> 01:21:39.079
<v Speaker 5>on my Instagram profile.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, that's great, Good for you. Well again, thank you both,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you Sabrina and Robbie for making it. And

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<v Speaker 2>thank you everybody in the chat. That's what's up. That's

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01:21:49.319 --> 01:21:52.199
<v Speaker 2>why I go alive. And until the next one, everybody

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<v Speaker 2>be well later.

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<v Speaker 5>Fine, thanks