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Speaker 2: Welcome to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio. I'm your host,
Tim Blink, and thank you for joining us today. We
have a very exciting day. My guests today are Alan
and Linda Anderson. They'll be talking with us today about
several of their books, including the recently released book Dogs
and the Women Who Love Them So Dogs and the
Women Who Love Them, So we'll talk a little bit
about that book, as well as one or two of
the other books that they have, because they got a
great selection of books.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Dogs and the Women Who Love Them celebrates k nine
female teams who form deep bonds of companionship that will
result in courageous acts of love and healing through the
dogs as well as the women and all the people
who lives they touch. So it's going to be it's
a great book, and we're going to delve into that
here shortly. But first i'd like to share share some
information with you. Always like to share interesting articles and
interesting tidbits that I think everybody would be interested in.
There's a great article that I read recently in a newspaper.
As you know, the elderly and disabled sometimes have difficult
times taking care of their pets, especially when their pets
have certain health conditions that I take a constant care
or constant companion.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: It takes a lot of opportunity and effort on behalf
of the elderly well. At Colorado State University, there's a
program that veterinarian students can participate in and it helps
animals stay in their homes. The program is called Pets
Forever and in the article a Schnauzer named Pocket, which
you all know him A big fan of Schnauzers with
my boy name was. The article covers the schnauzer named Pocket.
He was featured and was shown being given in home
treatment for his diabetes by a veterinarian student. His owner
or human companion as I like to call him, who
is an elderly and disabled, thought that she would originally
have to give up Pocket or help him transition because
she could no longer take care of him. She couldn't
do it on her. However, thanks to this program at
Colorado State University, Pocket could stay with his owner for
the rest of his life and receive the care that
he needs to manage his diabetes. It's always great to
read about special programs like this, special programs that are
making a positive difference for pets and for people. And
if you'd like to learn more about the Pets Forever
Program at Colorado State University, please go to my blog
on pet Life Radio. Go to the Animal Rights blog
on pet Life Radio and click to the link and
now I'll take you to the website so you can
read more information about it. So big kudos to Colorado
State University and their veterinarian program, the Pets Forever Program,
and from my understanding, they're looking to expand this. So
if you know other veterinarian schools in your area or
universities in your area that have vetinarian schools, may want
to lead them to this link from my blog, maybe
get them involved. Be great to have this available across
the nation to help the elderly. And I know it's
a challenge. My little boy Buzz, he has diabetes and
we have to give him in shots twice a day,
and the challenge is he doesn't like doing him on
his own, so it takes my wife and myself to
sort of get him in the mood to get his shot.
She's the brave soul that gives him his shot every day,
and I just simply encourage him to comfort him and
rub his little cute, little pink cheeks to get him
calm down so he could take his diabetes medicine. But
it is a challenge, and so we applaud to Colorasta
University and Pets Forever program. So check it out on
my blog, the Animal Rights Blog. On pet Life Radio,
go to Petlifradio dot com. We're gonna take a brief
break here in a moment, but we're gonna come right
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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back to Animal Rights on pet Life Radio.
Joining me now are Alan and Linda Anderson, who, through
their many books and through their Angel Animals Network, they
help people discover and benefit from the miraculous power of animals.
You know, they're dedicated to promoting human animal companionship and
the idea that pets are family. Alan and Linda also
donate a portion of their proceeds from their work to
animal rescue organizations to my all time favorite people. So
I want to welcome on board Alan and Linda Anderson.
Thanks for joining Animal Rights program on pet Life Radio.
Speaker 12: Thank you for having us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's great to talk to you guys again.
And this book is fantastic book, Dogs and the Women
Who Love Them. And I know the last time I
tease you a little bit because I want to see
the next book, which is Dogs and the Men Who
Love Them. That's the one I want to see next too.
But I know it's hard to get us guys to
actually put something in writing, let alone our emotions in writing.
So I understand why you went this route.
Speaker 4: Instead, where are we going to have dogs and the
men who love them written by the women who love
the men.
Speaker 2: That's right, poking them a little bit, proud of them
to get the work done. I think that's a good
way to do it. So tell us a little bit
about the book and what inspired you to write the book.
Speaker 12: Well, it's interesting, you know, over the years, we've been
collecting stories from people all around the world about their
amazing experiences, and you know how much they've grown because
of animals in their lives, especially that bond between an
individual and their dog. And you know, most of the
stories that we receive, both in our contest and just
people that want to send them stories to maybe be
published in our online newsletter the Story of the Week,
or from women, and it's just there's just beautiful from
these stories. I often went around when we went our
our Midwest book tour, I went to different cities. I
would ask the audience. I would say, why is it
that a woman, a woman can achieve incredible things in life,
can do all the things that she wants to do
in life with a canine at her side and not
necessarily a fellow, and I would get lots of answers,
and that's that was one of the reasons why we
really wanted to share these stories.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love the little quote on the back from Betty
White when asked, Betty, you never remarried, how can you
live alone? And her answer was, It's simple. My golden
retriever Pontiac is my saving grace. So I do think
the animals, obviously, they play a key role in our lives,
key role in our hearts. They are part of the
family unit. And you know, sometimes women, I think I
understand that a little bit better than us guys do.
It takes us a little bit longer to let that
sink in, I believe.
Speaker 4: Well, we also have a really fun section at the
beginning of the book where we have a few of
the shorter stories from women who had the dogs as
their protectors but also as their love detectors. And you know,
they kind of when a guy would come, they would
get they would get a reading from the dog about
whether or not this guy was a keeper or not.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I do a lot of consultations as a communicator
for people and their animals. And yes, just recently I
had one of those where the relationship was stepping up
to the next level, but the dog wasn't quite ready
for that relationship to step up to the next level.
So we had to put some methods and techniques into
play to try to have the dog get a little
bit better understanding of the boyfriend. And I think, fortunately,
I believe that relationship is still going strong, so that's
good news.
Speaker 12: Well, I have one recommendation for the guys who are
dating a woman that has a wonderful dog and a
companion lots of treats. Ah with you.
Speaker 2: Bribe the dog, he always works. Yeah, if you went
over the dog, you have a better chance of even
winning over the ladies. So that's very important. Now you
mentioned also there is a wide variety of stories in
the book. I know it's very hard to do when
I'm gonna put you on the spot. Do you have
a favorite one that comes to mind that sort of
warmed your heart or gave a good laugh to you.
Speaker 4: Well, I think one of my favorites is it's a
story about a woman who from Chicago who has a dog,
had a dog named Miguel, and she and her husband
rescued the dog. He was a Newfundland mix, I believe,
and they really just love this guy. And she would
take him for walks in their neighborhood. And their neighborhood
was near him a school that was kind of in
an inner city area, or at least inner city kids
were coming to that school and there were some children
walking to school and oftentimes the kids would want to
play with Miguel because Miguel loved to chase tennis balls. Well,
this one morning, a little group of eight year olds
stopped her and asked could they play with Miguel, and
she said yes, and she noticed one of the little
boys was kind of ill Kempton looked like he was
really having a rough time in life. He looked in
a lot worse shape than the other ones. And so
at the time, at the end of the play period,
then they asked could they go back to her condo
with her because she had mentioned that Miguel had seventy
tennis balls and they all wanted to play. And she
never allowed this before, and she to the day didn't
know why she did, but she brought She said okay,
and the little boys came back and she said, you
could play until the first school bell rings. Well, while
the other children were playing with Miguel, this little boy
who should call Paco started looking at her art books
and she was really surprised because she wasn't acpecting that.
And over the course of time, to make a long
story short, Paco and Miguel and she and her husband
Roger formed this very very deep friendship and eventually became
a family way because Paco his family was really in
pretty bad shape and he was going through a bad time,
and they let him start coming over to their house
and they wound up helping him with his education and
you know, going to the doctor, and all of a sudden,
this was all just you know, because they all grew
to love each other. And later in the story she
says that she asked Paco later about why did you
want to, you know, to come here and to make
friends with us, and he said, well, my grandmother had
just died, and I saw how much you loved Miguel,
and I wondered if you could love me too, And
so this was just a beautiful start in it. And
the story ends with Paco's daughter, Princess, who's now said
of like their granddaughter and they're doing the same things
for her, taking her soccer games and our music practice
and things like that. And it's just a terrific story
about how families can form around a dog who is
really special, like Miguel was, and the love that is
the factor that puts these families together.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely, you know they have a purpose. There's a
reason for them to be in part of our lives,
not only that heart connection that we have, but also
to teach us and expand our lives, in this case,
expand our families so everybody can share in the love.
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Speaker 2: The book Dogs and the Women Who Love Them was
recommended recently for dog lovers by Oprah Winfrey's Oh magazine.
So what do you think of that when that happened.
Was that a complete surprise to you?
Speaker 12: Well, we were shocked and delighted, and it was definitely surprised.
But it was something that this book really needed because
it has so many special stories and for it to
have a wider audience was.
Speaker 2: Important, absolutely, And I'm sure that helped a little bit
having that as a recommendation by Oprah Winfreezo magazine.
Speaker 4: A lot with just being able to tell people.
Speaker 2: That, just like a dog, your ears perk up a
little bit more when you hear Oprah's name around something exactly.
Speaker 4: Incredibility, you know, really rose with that one, exactly, and
it's a it's a big deal.
Speaker 2: I mean, it really is. And I tell people that,
you know, I know quite a few friends and colleagues
of mine that have been on Oprah's television show was on,
and that didn't necessarily mean increase business and exposure until
Oprah gave sort of the thumbs up that this is
something you should do or something you should purchase, et cetera.
Then it was like the golden ticket to Willie wonk Land.
I believe.
Speaker 4: People often have told us that they read one of
our books and they say, oh, you should be on Oprah,
And we say, oh gosh, why didn't we think of that?
Speaker 2: Exactly? If it was that easy, you know, great, give
Oprah a call. I'll be glad to that's great. Well, listen,
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Speaker 2: Okay, welcome back. You're back with Animal Rights on pet
Life Radio. We're here with Alan and Linda Anderson, just
talking a little bit about their book, dogs and the
women who love them. But I'm gonna switch gears a
little bit, and as you all may know, Alan and
Linda are the founders of the Angel Animals Network that's
been around since nineteen ninety six and it serves a
wonderful purpose for people that are trying to better understand
their relationship with their animals and get through the healing
process when animal has made its transition, among other things.
So Alan Linda tell us a little bit about the
Angel Animals Network in and go ahead and provide the
website as well.
Speaker 12: Well. We decided, i mean years ago, I think it
was nineteen ninety six when we started this whole process,
that we wanted to do something that would bring love
back to the world. And we had our day jobs,
we had all our responsibilities, but our kids had grown
and they had had their lives of their own. So
you know, one day we were walking on the lake
and we had the time our dog tailor and she
was smiling and having a great time because she loves
her walks and people as they walk by, would look
at her and smile, and you know, your dog is smiling,
They would ask us, and it just brought joy to
their lives. I think a lot of the people that
walk by seemed to be troubled or seemed to have
challenges that we all do, but when they saw a
dog's face like that, they seemed to perk up and
lighten up a little bit. So we kind of got
the idea, well, you know, maybe maybe we can start.
We love animals, we loved them all our lives. We've
always had pets, very close pets. Maybe we can start
ask a question and seeing what kind of response we get.
Have you learned? And at the time, we said spiritual
lessons from animals, but more like the lessons that make
us the very best people we can be, like courage
and love and empathy and all the things that make
us really shine in life. So we asked people, have
you learned these lessons from a relationship with a pet
or animals in nature? And we put that on the
bulletin boards at coffee shops and at grocery stores, and
back then the internet was sort of starting, but we
put a few things out on the internet. Within about
thirty forty five days, we had hundred stories, wonderful stories,
amazing stories. They said, I've never been asked that, and
I never told this story before because people would think
I was crazy, But they really, really, people really wanted
to share what they've learned and all the amazing things
that animals have been in their lives. So Linda came
up with the idea of the actual term angel animals
and Linda, did you want to say a few more
words about that.
Speaker 4: Well, the idea angel came because the Greek derivation for
that word is a messenger. And what we realized, and
you know, what we thought we suspected other people were understanding,
is that when you were having a tough time in life,
no matter what was going on, it seemed like there
would always be one of these little angels come in
and give you the message that you're not alone and
that you're loved. And so that seemed to be kind
of the appropriate term angel animals.
Speaker 12: Well, we built up, we built it up. We started
a printed newsletter and it was subscription based, and back
then we had subscribers from around the world. We even
had to have a couple who opened up a small
office in London because of all the subscribers in Great Britain.
It was really fun. And then we got an agent
and we did it a book proposal and we did
our first book in nineteen ninety nine called Angel Animals
exploring our spiritual connection with Animals, and from there we've
been writing books every year.
Speaker 2: That's amazing a journey by taking a walk on the lake.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine that with your dog?
Speaker 2: That's right looking back? This is just wonderful to hear
the stories. How you know, God has a purpose for
us all and we have a reason for being here.
We may not see it or understand it at the time,
but when at times presented, we need to act upon it.
And it's obviously what you guys had done and have
been very successful and sending a great message and helping
people and animals as well. Absolutely, you definitely have now
one of the books that I use this sort of
my reference guide and I help people out, you know
when people are trying to get through that grieving process
and understanding things. Is saying goodbye to your Angel animals
Finding Comfort after losing your pet, which is a fantastic
book and it's definitely one that I refer people to
all the time, because you know, I receive a lot
of calls from people who are grieving and really need
the support for themselves and for their families whenever their
furry family members made their transition. So tell us a
little more about saying goodbye to your angel animals and
what makes that such a powerful book in helping that
healing process us when you're trying to understand it on
when your pet has passed on.
Speaker 4: Well, one of the things that is really based on
all these years of people sending us their stories and
talking to us about how they're feeling and what they're
going through when they have lost a pet, and then
we kind of, you know, did our own had our
own experiences, and we realized that we wanted to kind
of build the book around the poem that that people
love so much, the Rainbow Bridge, and so we structured
the book so that people could look at the colors
of the rainbow and use those as ways to think
about their pets and honor them, and then the bridge
would be the ways that people could heal from that loss.
And so that's how we structured the book. And we
also included memorial services because that was one thing that
we definitely saw was and particularly at the time this
book came out. At the time, there was just hardly
anything available for people they really wanted to have a
service for their cuts where if they wanted to, they
could invite friends and family members and people could tell
stories about, you know, the special times they had with
that particular cut, and they could have some kind of closure,
like saying that you have when people pass away. And
so we created three types of memorial services that people
could either use as they were a mix and match
and depending on what your spiritual beliefs were, or if
you had if you wanted one that was based on
the cycles of life and nature, and it was up
to you to decide what you wanted to use. And
people have just told us that these have helped them tremendously.
Speaker 12: There are meditations sprinkled throughout the book, and often when
you lose a pet and you know, we have the
same feelings as that we become angry at ourselves for
not seeing it earlier, angry at ourselves or not doing
what we think would have been better in helping the
pet live longer. One of the meditations is titled anger
and Forgiveness. And you know it reads I acknowledge all
my feelings and accept what they are naturally expressions of
my grief overloving you. I am angry about what caused
you to die. I want to shake my fistmer scream
at the caregivers who did not save your life. I
am angry at God for taking you away too soon.
It upsets me that you left this world even though
I still needed you. What can I say, or think
or do to forgive myself and others for not being
able to stop you from dying. I mean, a meditation
like that is very powerful because you begin looking inwardly
and you begin thinking about, really, this anger is not
doing any good at all. I've got to find a
better way. And of course there are other meditations for
different aspects of the greeting process. It's a beautiful book
helping people heal and move forward and remember the love.
Always remember the love that that beautiful pet, that dog
or cat or whatever the animal might be, has brought
to their lives.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it does bring that message about. I think it
really helps understand. It helps people better understand that whole
process and how to get through that healing process. And
it is a very spiritual book, but it's not driven
by any particular religion or concept. I think there's the
whole book's fantastic, but there are pieces in here that
resonates a particular section is going to resonate more with
some people than others, and vice versa. So it really
covers the whole gamu and I think and really helps
people understand that whole transition process.
Speaker 4: Well, we tried to design it that way because we
didn't want people to feel like, well, you know, they
have to believe everything that's in this book and agree
with everything that's in this book, and we didn't want
that to happen. But one of the things that we
noticed was that, and we addressed this very straightforward and
lead in the book, is that many times there's a
real disconnect between the person, how the person feels about
animals on the afterlife and seeing their animal and heaven
and that sort of thing, and what they're being taught
in their churches or by their clergy or and just
you know, comments that people in their congregation make that
are you know, just devastating to them because they're judgmental
and they make the person feel like there's something wrong
with them because they want to see their animal in heaven,
and so we have a whole section on that about
how to deal with that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's very powerful. And you know,
I think going back to what you said earlier, Alan,
you know, us humans, we have a tendency to beat
ourselves up over everything, and with the loss of a pet,
is that holds true as well? We do go through
that what it should have could have wish it would
have caught it sooner? Did I do enough? Does he
hate me for allowing that to happen? And I think
it is a time also to reflect, you know, whatever
your religious beliefs are. People go into that reflection and
wonder what happens to the animal when it does pass on.
Speaker 4: Well, it makes them think about the whole idea of
death in the afterlife in general, and about their own
And so it's very complicated when a pet dies, and
it's really complicated for children. A lot of times it's
their first experience with the death of well of anyone,
and so the parent has to try to figure out
how to talk to their child and how to help
their child through this.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and that's a great point. Is there any particular
advice that you have when dealing with the transition of
a pat when dealing with your.
Speaker 4: Children, well, one of the things that we talk about
is using art as a way. A lot of times
they can't express themselves in words. But if you get
them to draw a picture of a pet in the
family and the things that you used to do together,
a lot of times a child will talk while they're drawing,
or they'll be able to tell you about the drawing,
and it helps to get them to express what they're feeling,
even though they may not be able to put it
into words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a great idea.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: I also recommend to people, especially when they have children,
or even if they don't have children, a great healing
process is to get a scrap book. Get a scrap
book or a picture book, put your favorite pictures, put
your favorite scrap books, little pieces of toys, whatever it
may be. It's sort of not only something you can
reflect back onto and eventually turn those that sadness into
happiness because you'll remember all the great things the animal
meant to you and had done, but it's part of
that whole healing process. So scrapbook, doing pictures, putting that
into the scrap book or putting that on a refrigerator.
I think it's a great idea to help the children
understand what that's all about.
Speaker 12: Well, that's a beautiful idea. They really would have liked that.
One other aspect to the memorial services, there is one
that is for people who don't necessarily have strong religious beliefs,
one that is oriented towards cycles of life and nature
and really allows those who want to have a tribute
to their animals who have died to do it in
a way that doesn't compromise their own personal beliefs in
some way.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Well, let me ask you a little bit about religion.
You know, I was asked I was contacted last Sunday
by a family that had a cat that was making
its transition and the question, which is not the first
time I've been asked this, but the question came about
of you know, in the Bible, there's no particular reference
or a scripture or anything that references the animals go
to this place we call heaven. Now, being members of
the clergy, are there any particular passages or scripture or
anything that you reflect to when people need that closure
from a religious standpoint, needs some reference to fall back on.
Speaker 4: You know, I hate to get into doing Bible for people.
Speaker 12: We do have one thing that was on the air
and in the book in one of our books Billy
Graham quote which he said, if you want, if it
will make you happy, your pet will be in heaven
there with you. And that was something that he says
freely and tells anyone that you might ask him. But
that's that's probably as close as we're going to get
to doing Bible.
Speaker 2: We need to have a different radio show for that
kind of debate. Yeah, you know, I try to get
to that point too, because I know, you know, I'm
not a Bible scholar by any means, more of a
spiritual person in general, and I believe everybody has right
to pick their spirituality, pick their path to and belief system.
I just try to let them know that the obviously
animals are brought here for a purpose and in our lives,
and there's no reason that that purpose shouldn't continue a
do we leave this world. So not getting into a
great debate here, that's not what we're for. But that
is something I could ask periodically that they seem to
want to have that closure in that part that closure
is to get into passages of scripture.
Speaker 4: Comforting to people who refer to the Bible for their
spiritual benefits. So you know, it's true that they really
like things like that and it helps them a lot.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 4: I just want to mention one thing. This is another
book that is full of all these types of Bible
quotes about animals in the afterlife, and it's called There
Is Eternal Life for Animals and it's a book based
on Bible scripture by Nikki Rikus Shanahan, and she has
a whole series of books now that where she has
done a lot of research and found a lot of
Biblical passages that seem to bring comfort to people.
Speaker 2: Very good. Thank you for bringing that up. We'll definitely
get that message out as well.
Speaker 4: It's a resource that we have listed in the back
of our book Saying Goodbye to Your Angel Animals.
Speaker 2: Very good. So I'll continue to reference people over to
Saying Goodbye to Your Angel Animals, and then they can
obviously pick up that book as well if they need
further help. I think they'll go a long way by
just reading reading your book Saying Goodbye to the Angel Animals.
So as we're starting to wrap up here. Is there
any projects or anything you want to talk to the
audience about, Ange promotions, anything you guys have going on.
Speaker 4: Well, we're continuing to work with dogs and the women
who love them, and right now we're writing our next
book which is about animals healing and comforting children. It's
going to be called Animals and the Kids Love Them.
Speaker 2: Very cute.
Speaker 4: We're working on the stories now to listend to our editor.
Speaker 2: For that good deal, so we'll be keeping an eye
out for that, and you have to let us know
when that's going to be out so we can have
you guys back on to talk about that one as well.
Speaker 12: And we're always looking for stories for our Andrew Animal
Story of the Week, which is an online newsletter, subscription based.
It's free as every Saturday goes out, and if people
want to learn more about that, they can visit angel
animals dot net and subscribe.
Speaker 2: All right, so you can go to Angel Animals dot
net and subscribe to that, and of course there's it
is Angel Animals network dot com as well to learn
more about your your books and everything going on.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I saw the one same website, but yeah, absolutely
everything is.
Speaker 2: There, Okay, sounds great, So everybody check that out. I
encourage you to check out everything Allan and Linda Anderson
are doing as well as you know, contribute your stories.
It's it's not only great to see your stories possibly
and in writing, whether it's through the newsletters or possibly
through a future book, but it's it's great just to
get that word out there. You're helping so many people out.
You're helping the animals out, and your help yourself out.
I think it's a great, great healing process to put
that out there. So courage everybody to go put a
little note down yet, share your stories and send them
over to Alan and Linda Anderson. So once again, we're
going to wrap up here shortly. I want to thank
Alan Linda Anderson, thanks for coming on board to Animal
Rights on Pet Life Radio. It's always a pleasure talking
to you both.
Speaker 12: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: All Right, so we're just talking to Alan and Linda Anderson.
We're going to wrap up here just a few minutes.
We're coming to the end of the show today. If
you can believe it, it goes by so quick. I'd like
to thank everyone for listening to Animal Rights on Pet
Life Radio. I'd also like to thank once again Alan
and Linda Anderson for being on the show today. Make
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So until next time, write a great story about the
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Speaker 3: Pat Atta