Speaker 1: You are now listening to soft core History.
Speaker 2: What is up? Welcome back to Softcore History. I am
your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as always
by Dan Jester.
Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to be on your show. Rep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for showing up to my studio and
doing the show.
Speaker 3: Looks really professional. Who did this?
Speaker 2: I hired some people. Yeah, you know. I didn't want
to leave it to you to do it, so I brought,
I bought paid some people and you can.
Speaker 3: I don't have the time, no.
Speaker 2: Or the or the Yeah, it just doesn't work.
Speaker 3: We'll skill.
Speaker 2: That little chuckle was Gabby Montemor back on the show.
Speaker 1: Back again, fan favorite third studio. I've done this one
and I think at least yeah, yeah, yeah, because I
definitely did spare the the spare bedroom.
Speaker 2: You did spare about Yeah, you did the spare bedroom.
You've done this apartment.
Speaker 3: You ever come to Old Twarf, so this would be
your fourth.
Speaker 1: I didn't come to Old Twarf, okay, but I knew
of it.
Speaker 3: No, she was aware of Old Torf.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't have a ton of guess
on the Old because we had Jake. We had fewer
guests when Jake was here, but Jake is dead.
Speaker 1: Uh after we to do a reunion episode.
Speaker 2: We are good.
Speaker 3: Well, don't spoil it for the people.
Speaker 2: Well maybe maybe not, depends on if Jake. I want
to text Jake fucked up shit about the taxes just
to fuck with him, just to like throw a wrench
in his Monday, like.
Speaker 1: Hey man, he still care?
Speaker 2: Well, he'll care if I'm like, hey MANU, they just
kept you on the LLC for the whole year, so
I'm gonna need uh some money.
Speaker 1: Like he'll care about that. He'll care about that.
Speaker 2: He will be furious about that. So yeah, I'll probably
I'll probably fuck with him about the taxes somehow, just
to be just for by a fun Monday. I don't
want to be mean about his Florida Gators because that's
I would get angry if someone did that to me.
But I'll do it about the taxes. I'll do it
about something less important like your financial situation than.
Speaker 3: College football, your livelihood.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that I will absolutely do. Gabby, we
have you on today for a very special reason. We
needed a person with the uterus.
Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah that's me.
Speaker 2: Yeah girl. Now I could have done my wife because
she's given birth before and this is it has to
do with that you've.
Speaker 3: Never done your wife before?
Speaker 2: What you have three kids? Yeah, I don't know whose
they are, but I love them. I raised them as
if they're my. Yeah, I've been printed on them. That
other guy rode his motorcycle. Never saw him again except
the two other.
Speaker 1: Times, you know, like the sunk cost fallacy, Like you've
come this far, those are yours?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The legal possession is tenths in the law.
Speaker 2: Yes, one d percent. And I possess those children. I
own those children. But I wanted to do. There's mccorty too,
is She wouldn't even have fun with this. She would
just be like, no, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Said something gross.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds gesome, deeply gruesome. Today is how we're going
we're talking about really, this episode is just one of
many in our series of I promise you life and
society used to be so much worse than it is now.
So calm the fuck down always, uh, because what we're
talking about today is pretty fucking wild. Have you guys
ever seen Dan. I'll send you a picture for the
video show. There's a statue at some university I forget
where of a mouse weaving like DNA like he's like
knitting DNA a DNA strand. And it's on a university campus,
I think, or some scientific campus. Anyway, The point is
is that it is a state a memorial to all
the mice who quote unquote gave their lives for DNA
testing for science. Yeah, so it's a little memorial to
all the mice we tortured.
Speaker 3: We've lost along the way.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, something. I mean, if it has to
do with us and mice, I know, I'm not gonna
like where this is. So I feel like there's gonna
be a mouse in a cavity. It doesn't belong, but
I don't know.
Speaker 2: No spoilers, no, no, no, no. A lot of things
that don't belong in a cavity today, but no mice. Okay,
if those mice got a statue, then this woman known
as the Mother of Gynecology should probably get a statue
because she was a slave that was experimented on surgically
in order to figure out how to repair post childbirth trauma.
Speaker 1: Oh no, she was like a like a cut up doll,
you know, like those like paper dolls.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they just kept.
Speaker 1: Going in and trying new things.
Speaker 2: No, it's not not quite that bad. It's not quite
that bad. But she was a slave in the Americas
in the eighteen hundreds, who a doctor was just like,
I'm gonna try some things. I'm gonna try some stuff.
But she is known as the mother of gynecology. A
Narco Westcott is one of her names.
Speaker 3: Because one of her names.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the name the doctor wrote in his diary.
Believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Of course it's not her real name.
Speaker 2: She got it wrong.
Speaker 1: Oh I believe it.
Speaker 2: I believe it. I do. Yes, a narcis I don't know. Well,
just I'll just.
Speaker 3: Write a slave woman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just write.
Speaker 1: Something subject a.
Speaker 2: But the thing is with these procedures, they worked and
it seriously helped a lot of women afterwards. That which
is why she's not instead of being some like horrible
murder victim or whatever she's known as like being. She
is credited as being the mother of gynecology because he
is thanks to her that the first major gynecological surgical
procedures post childbirth were developed.
Speaker 3: Speaking of women in DNA, I only know this because
my friend Shay told me. Apparently a woman is the
one that kind of found the groundbreak in information when
it came to the DNA, and then two other dudes
just stole it from her.
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that happens.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of times in the story, a lot
of things like that.
Speaker 2: I am an I am two things on this show,
and one of them is a Da Vinci hater. The
other one is an Edison lover. I don't care that
Edison stole everything, all right, He's a grinder.
Speaker 3: He got the ball over the goal line.
Speaker 1: Yes, Hemingway stole from his wife too.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. Forgot about that. No, so did
was it Heving? No? Was it Hemingway or was it
f Scott Fitzgerald?
Speaker 1: Both of them did, Okay, both of them did, but
Hemingway especially did. Oh really, I think Scott kind of
like rip riffed on her stuff, but she was kind
of like, but Hemingway really just ripped.
Speaker 3: What does his wife know about anything when it comes
to a farewell to arm? She doesn't know. She has
no lived experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually do want to know what he stole
because she didn't drive an ambulance in World War that.
Speaker 1: Was not hurt, but there was I mean, I don't know, Gabby.
Now it's softcore history, not hardcore history.
Speaker 2: Ruin a good man, Oh yeah, you're in a lot
of It's people like you that cause him to put
a shotgun in his mouth.
Speaker 1: Oh I'll do it again too.
Speaker 3: Hevingway just got to the age where he was like,
I'm good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 3: He just came with Hunter S. Thompson.
Speaker 1: They both just couldn't get drunk enough. They were like, ah,
I haven't been fucked up in years.
Speaker 2: Hemingway's liver was literally protruding out of his body, just like.
Speaker 1: Cirrhosis to yeah, you guys doing that.
Speaker 3: The Age of eighty you just ended in it.
Speaker 1: I hope to die before you.
Speaker 3: Hope to die before eighty.
Speaker 1: I hope to die quickly.
Speaker 3: I want to be a bionical man.
Speaker 1: You want to know. You wouldn't want to live forever,
wouldn't you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I want to I want to Bonical is the Lego.
Speaker 3: No, dude, I want to be a bionical man. Bionicals,
Bionical Remember the Bionicle.
Speaker 1: That's yes, that's came in the Happy Mail.
Speaker 3: Like the poor Man's like Transformer.
Speaker 1: Right, they were like the Lego Transformer.
Speaker 2: Right, it was Lego bionical.
Speaker 1: It was like Lego's version of transfer.
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, it was like Legos for stupid kids. Yeah.
I had those that have my Street Sharks Eddie toy
that you could go.
Speaker 1: He had the special bus with the seatbelt.
Speaker 3: I had that medieval castle with like the little knights.
Speaker 2: In the cannon on and the canon which I did. Go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't act like you're better than me.
Speaker 2: I'm not better than you. I will trash like I am.
I embraced the trash. You you hide it.
Speaker 1: The American girl dolls real historian over here.
Speaker 2: I my one of my favorites. Do reason from my
wife is that she had the a couple of American
girl dolls, including let's tie back in the epis a little bit,
including the slave one, uh huh Addie uh huh yeah.
And she asked her dad one day why ADDIE's bed
was so much shittier than the uh the Gilded Age one.
Speaker 1: At Samantha Yeah yeah, yeah, yah yeah.
Speaker 2: And her dad had to awkwardly explain to the eight
year old Courtney what a slave wash. And she felt
so bad that she gave Addie the rich girl's bed.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's so cute. That's really cute. Yeah, I love that.
That's such a good story.
Speaker 3: Now that's a story she told you. The truth was
much darker.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it. Corney kicked you out of the
bed and I slept in her bed with you with
her on her birthday trip all those years ago.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when you snored a lot.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, you still do?
Speaker 2: No, I have a retainer now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the way you said that, initially, I'm like, did
Courtney offer up a birthday gift?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: You have me and Courtney. No, we just kicked and me.
It's Courtney and me and Corny and Leo were in
the pit to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds about right. So Leo's always there starting away.
He does clean up for you kind of, that's actually true.
Literally he ate the baby's diarrhea the other day too.
That he is a he's a champ him and like
so fast, like.
Speaker 1: Before you can even react.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I got back to the chair to clean
it and Leo had slopped all of the baby's diarrhea.
Speaker 1: It's it's impressive, but discussing.
Speaker 2: But you know he eats my seamen too.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean it's all mixed.
Speaker 3: Rob is a jack off. Corner in the shower. For
those who are unfamiliar, Well, hat, it's the old house.
Speaker 1: You gotta start fresh. You gotta start a fresh pile. Yeah,
a new compost, A compost.
Speaker 2: That's I'm green. I compost. Everyone knows compost bin. So
Anarca Westcott was a slave who lived from eighteen twenty
eight to eighteen sixty nine. So she died a free woman,
known as the Mother of gynecology because she underwent a
series of experimental surgical procedures conducted by one physician, Jay
Marion Simms, Doctor Sims without anesthesia, No anesthesia, just like.
Speaker 1: A leather strap and hopefully a little whiskey or something.
Speaker 2: So opium after after we'll get to it. Oh god,
we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: I love it. We'll get to it.
Speaker 2: We'll get to it.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to getting to Yeah.
Speaker 3: So opium before just seems non consensual.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's not a slave. Think she could she would,
and I.
Speaker 1: Think she would choose between the opium and no opium.
I feel like she would choose if she knew what
she was doing.
Speaker 2: You take opium, you take the choose opium. So she
was These surgical procedures were done to her without her
concern obviously, although I'm a little murky on that and
I'll get to why. But they were done in order
to develop treatments for vesica vaginal fistula and recto vaginal
fistula that resulted from traumatic childbirth. The first one vesico
vaginal fistula or VVF fistula fistula.
Speaker 3: Sorry, correct that CONSI.
Speaker 2: Got you good. Essentially, what happens is is that like
a hole, like you just there's tears in your insides, like.
Speaker 1: When two holes become one.
Speaker 2: Kind of and P you just become incontinent from P
is that you can't stop.
Speaker 1: Peeing consider of a pipe, it's like a leaky laucet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're incontinent recto vaginal.
Speaker 1: That's and that one sounds worse.
Speaker 2: Is horrific.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: If the opening between the rectum and the vagina is
wide and essentially like the baby's skull like makes a
tear in a way that basically like pooh just gets
re routed. Oh no, so you're just pooping out your
and farting out of your vagina, oh constantly.
Speaker 1: The uties from that would be catastrophe.
Speaker 2: Is there even time for a uta? I mean, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like pooping in plays like they had to figure
the way. The only way to figure this out is like,
someone does this enough that it's an issue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so this happened. This was extremely common,
extremely common in the era, and it was bad because
you would essentially be incontinent and just leaking either pee
or pooh or both out of your vagina at all times,
shit discharge constantly, like it was essentially like, uh, like
your pants were a colostomy egg.
Speaker 3: Oh God, God forbiddingmitter squirt.
Speaker 1: And the laundry situation was not good either.
Speaker 2: Not sorry, Absolutely, it's more than.
Speaker 1: It's more than just pee. It's not just pee.
Speaker 3: Now, it's pooh.
Speaker 1: Now, it's other stuff. Now it's chunky.
Speaker 2: These issues, they happened to women all the time. They
would cause obviously vaginal irritation, scarring, loss of vaginal function
for all all reasons. And the worst part, by far,
is that there was there was no cure for this.
There was no procedure for this. So if this happened
to you when you had a baby, it did not
matter who you were. You basically became exiled from society
because you were just a leaking pooh monster.
Speaker 3: There's that and you would also have them complain the
entire time, and who wants that?
Speaker 1: And also like the normal terrible things that happened after childbirth,
like postpartum depression and you're fat.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, yeah, send them to the fucking
looney BND.
Speaker 2: You go to what you send them to an island?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there things.
Speaker 2: It was. It was pretty common too, the bottomy City.
Come on. My my favorite, my favorite thing about the
Wikipedia that I was reading this from was the Wikipedia
said the procedures were quote primarily aimed at benefiting uh,
white female patients, which is funny to me because a
that obviously it was for white they didn't care him
the black people. But it also applies to me in
a way that it wasn't just for female patients. Like
husbands were like, doctor, please cure my wife. She poops
out of her vagina now, and I can't take this anymore.
Speaker 1: This hole is useless to me. Yeah, absolutely render this
hole useful yet again.
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Butthole's clean and dry.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Butthole's never been cleaner, never been cleaner.
Speaker 1: But they don't really have a good loop situation back then.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. They got whales oil and olive oil. Yeah,
they got all this stuff. I mean of oil has
been a rectal lube since time immemorial.
Speaker 3: We we that was actually the first he used for Yeah.
Speaker 2: We someone like was fucking over a stove and was like, hey,
that's most pretty good. We saw taste of onions in
this or something.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 3: Let me squeeze a little out of your ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's the original.
Speaker 2: Uh So Simms was though not strictly speaking ethical, but
what does that even mean in the eighteen forties, he
was nonetheless a very talented doctor for the time, for
the time really kind of overall. We'll get in a
little bit talented mister Ripley, you say, tiled mister Sims.
Speaker 1: Not just a leech guy and a barber, but like
a real prodigy.
Speaker 3: A talented Ripley. You know, he's ripping the whole Yeah,
come on, dude.
Speaker 1: Rip the stick them.
Speaker 2: So when Sims and he was a was there there
wasn't really kind of cologists then, but he specialized in female.
Speaker 1: Patients, recreational mycology kind of.
Speaker 2: So when Sims once went to see a patient who
had injured she had injured her pelvis from a fall
from a horse. He placed her in a new position
called the knee chest position, and he inserted his finger
into her vagina. This allowed this allowed Sims to see
the patients of vagina clearly, and it spurred him. That
inspired him to invest investigate, Uh what is it fistulas treatment? Uh?
And in order to facilitate the examination of patients vaginas,
he soon developed the precursor to the modern speculum. So
he is, he is credited with he is, but he's
credited with inventing the speculum.
Speaker 3: Now did this guy create the shaker?
Speaker 2: You gotta think he did the shakertor.
Speaker 1: Is it a creation or you know, like was it
like an accidental thing like viagra?
Speaker 3: It already existed. I think he maybe just you know,
put his name on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, put his real stamp on it.
Speaker 2: It's no longer the shocker, it's the Sims.
Speaker 1: For So they're they're grasping their knees and they're like
on their backs, yeah, like rely Pulley position, yep.
Speaker 2: And he's able to get in there and he's just
see speculuming. But yeah, I guess I wonder what the.
Speaker 1: Tools were at first, Like a pair of tongs could
get you there.
Speaker 2: It was a pewter spoon and strategically placed mirrors.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: You gotta deal with what the tools you have.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that that would work.
Speaker 2: Sims, though he is credited, is actually not the first
person to successfully treat officila, not even in the United States. However,
I guess these doctors kind of kept it to themselves
because there was one repaired in eighteen thirty eight, and
there was one repaired in eighteen thirty nine, but it
didn't get far.
Speaker 1: But they didn't like publish their findings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there is actually even someone who did publish
how to repair it in sixteen seventy six, but for
whatever reason, none of this stuck and women were just
pooping out of their vaginas for another two hundred years.
Speaker 1: Welcome to women's healthcare, where if it happened to men,
it would be free and taken care of. But because
it happens to women, nothing like you have to. They
have to do the same thing ten times before they
actually start making it standard.
Speaker 2: Well, I heard about women's po She sounds hysterical. It
was repaired once, but many think that's myth.
Speaker 1: But how can you repair a woman when they're so
broken to begin with.
Speaker 2: It's like a wine glass. If it breaks, you buy
an buy.
Speaker 1: A new one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also like wine. Though you let the problem
kind of sit for quite some time.
Speaker 1: You want to air it out.
Speaker 2: Problem is it's not a good it's too humid. It
just goes bad. Terms of vinegar mm hm. His medical
experimentation on Anarca and the other slaves is credited with
the development of modern gynecology. Obviously, it's also very controversial
because slaves, but he is credited with a sort of
pioneering modern gynecology. Now, we obviously don't know a ton
about Anarca's life. Doctor Simms is apparently the primary source.
Speaker 1: She was a slave, so you know, you don't even
know her real name.
Speaker 2: We do, we I did find it. We'll get to it.
She was. What we do know is that she was
legally illiterate, in that it was illegal for her to
know how to read. But no, no, no, no, no,
it's as bad. It's as bad as you think.
Speaker 1: But at least she can read.
Speaker 2: She first appears in Simms's autobiography as a quote little
mulatto girl living in the doctor's how house in Alabama.
Now that means so she was pretty.
Speaker 3: Well, it means she was part white skinned.
Speaker 2: She was pretty probably.
Speaker 1: If she's you know inside right, what she's inside, like,
they're not having ugly people inside, right.
Speaker 2: She was pretty young when he was dealing with her,
So yeah, she probably was pretty because I feel like
you hit, you hit twenty five in that era.
Speaker 1: And you just rot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just garbage then, I know, right?
Speaker 3: Young was she when he started experimented?
Speaker 2: Thirteen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably you're not even done.
Speaker 1: You're nowhere near done cooking. All your parts are still
like they're all babyface.
Speaker 3: I holsted some jokes before I found out the age.
Speaker 1: There's probably not even grass on the field, you know, Yeah,
but the product. I didn't have grass on the field
at thirteen.
Speaker 3: Yea, did they hit puberty before us? You think?
Speaker 1: Probably later?
Speaker 2: Now earlier.
Speaker 1: It's happening earlier and earlier.
Speaker 3: Now, that's what I figured.
Speaker 2: It's women's hair products, the micro classics, it's.
Speaker 1: The hormones and chicken sure, among other things.
Speaker 2: Is it okay? I wouldn't know. Was not an early bloomer.
Speaker 1: Neither was I. But didn't mean I didn't try. Yeah,
I ate a lot of chicken, ate, a lot of breast,
all that.
Speaker 2: Sweet, sweet, juiced up chicken and pork.
Speaker 1: Seriously, it's all the shit that they put in our meat.
Speaker 2: It's kind of sick. Though, we look awesome. Every generation
gets better looking.
Speaker 1: These girls are twenty four and they look fucking forty
like these girls are.
Speaker 3: No. No, that's because they do surgery way too early.
Speaker 2: I swear to God every time, like you know, every August,
the sorority rush TikTok videos come through, and every time
I see them, I'm like, these girls are way hotter
than when I was.
Speaker 1: It's because they look like adult women because they're all
so advanced. Yeah, because they've been full grown for six
years as opposed to like three years you have.
Speaker 3: Now, forty year old women look like awesome. We get
forty year old women in the sixties or like look
at yeah, yet look.
Speaker 1: At look at twenty year old women.
Speaker 2: Look at fifty five year old women like that. Fox
Well's not Fox News anymore.
Speaker 1: But Megan Kelly, Oh yeah, but she has she's had
a lot of she's had tasteful work done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say though, it's tasteful, like she doesn't
look bad like it's not like a freeze.
Speaker 3: She's what like fifty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she is up there and she looks like she's
fucking forty.
Speaker 1: Proof that you're not ugly, you're just poor.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know. Oh that's all it is. I'm about
to become so ugly, so ugly. Take it in, boys,
I know, in all.
Speaker 1: This rapid weight loss, it's gonna make you look a
little haggard. We got to talk about that.
Speaker 3: It's thirty pounds, baby.
Speaker 1: We gotta get you on a collagen regimen.
Speaker 3: Not at a shoulders heeling up. We're gonna get We're
gonna hit the way it's in. We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be good as news, not before your face
freaking sinks in on itself.
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the room with me and hand me a drink of
water occasionally. Oh my god, that's a nice way to
put it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he sounds great for the time.
Speaker 2: Seriously, there's no way she's sleeping.
Speaker 1: Well, she's just terrified. She's like, please don't rape me tonight,
Please don't.
Speaker 2: Well, she wasn't her, she wasn't his slave.
Speaker 1: Oh so he was borrowing her. Yeah, oh sure, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that happened.
Speaker 1: You know the people raped other people's slaves.
Speaker 2: Oh sure they did.
Speaker 1: Okay, they do that.
Speaker 2: Players Now, when she was with her, or when he
was with her, when she was with him, living with him,
that was when she was broken, So I doubt I
don't think so. If I had to guess, that was
when when the fistillas were chilling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll give him my past.
Speaker 2: Anarka next turns up in the in the autobiography as
a quote. A young colored woman about seventeen years of age,
well developed, belonging to a mister Wescott who lived a
mile from Simms's house in Montgomery, Alabama. So when Simms
actually works on her, she is thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: And she's given birth by this point.
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, Sims was called to assist with
her labor that had been going on for three days
at that point.
Speaker 1: Oh no, because she's also not big enough, she's not
full grown.
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is why this all this stuff happened
to her. That is specifically why the official has happened.
Speaker 1: And because your pelt like your hips have it, you're.
Speaker 2: Not ready yet. You're not ready. You don't have a
baby bucky yet. It was not recorded how Anarka became pregnant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would it? But I'm sure it would implicate
somebody who didn't.
Speaker 2: Want Yeah, that was my thought. It was not not
cool black gentleman who got her.
Speaker 1: Pregnant, certainly not. I me guess the babies didn't live.
Speaker 2: It was a stillborn baby. Uh huh likely story someone
got real lucky.
Speaker 1: That's what they all say. Yeah, still born with a
pillowcase over it's huh yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because by thinking on why, it was a probably
one of her owners or someone or an overseer or
something who got a pregnant and not a fellow slave
is because they would have written that down because that
now it's new slave.
Speaker 1: Especially if they're this invested in the birth. I feel
like slaves usually would just if it was a slave
having a slave baby, they would it would be like,
all right, they're calling out sick from work, Like it
would be like, I don't I feel like they wouldn't
be calling for help.
Speaker 2: Well, my thought on it is that that I guess
it's more product.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, I guess, yeah, it's economical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you would want to record that for your own.
Speaker 1: Like my car is making a lot of noise? Can
we come and get it? Fit your book so we
don't get it?
Speaker 2: Told? Is now you have another one for free? Yeah, okay,
which is huge because slaves were expensive. Only rich people
really owned slaves. Like it wasn't like maybe upper middle
class had like a couple.
Speaker 3: I mean our poor Irish ass yeahs did not have no.
Speaker 2: I think like this, I actually look it up.
Speaker 1: Might have been a slave. I don't think I was.
Speaker 3: Actually, you have probably more conquista.
Speaker 1: Door, especially at this time.
Speaker 3: You're actually related to Cortez Cortez.
Speaker 2: I like Cortel in the eighteen sixty census right before
the Civil War, twenty five percent of white households in
the Confederacy owned slaves, So three out of four white
households did not own slaves because it was really.
Speaker 1: Second home, not many of us. Yes, my mom has
a second home. She's not rich, she just has two
okay homes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think it is the type of thing
where it is like owning a vacation like a little
second old But some people like toy, yes, Like some
people have a home like a vacation home or a
lake house that's like a real rinky dink.
Speaker 1: Like a shithole.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's extra right and it's cool they get
to go to it, because then I've been to those.
But then other people, even on that same lake have
god damn mansions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gabby just said it.
Speaker 2: Folks.
Speaker 3: Owning a slave is the same as owning a classic car.
So own a slave, now the value.
Speaker 1: The value only goes up if you take good care
of it.
Speaker 3: If you take a Jewish slave, Now that's a real classic.
Speaker 2: A what doing one? You did? Okay?
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I missed.
Speaker 1: I had the kind of weekend where I was like
I could use this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the feeling. So she was physically immature
for giving birth, and that almost certainly contributed to the
fishilas uh A, Narca's baby was still born. As I said,
Anarka was brought back to Simms's place because she had
the fish was in her veget her vagina and he
rectum so fully incontinent. Poo poo river coming out of
the vagina at that point, you don't even notice the
p really, you know what I mean? You're good, bro,
I'm fine.
Speaker 3: Oh, jittering and ship disrespect the flag? Yeah, see that
flag was used to bomb Syrians. I thought it was
it was our it was in our honor. Is for
the show?
Speaker 2: Yeah, a drone was flown in our honor and killed someone. Seriously, Actually,
this show has bodies and you're making it worse.
Speaker 3: You're making it worse.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I think it looks VI inherent resolve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this flag was flown on that drone. Dope, we're
pretty cool like that. Shout out Houston Hamilton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, shout out my man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And uh, if you come at us, you know, if
you want podcast beef, just know we can call it you.
Speaker 2: We gotta do any time. So an Arcs is brought
back to Sims too, so he can try to work
on her. Obviously, she's in horrific pain and it's gross,
smells bad, all this stuff. Here's the here's I don't
know if this is the worst part or not, but
it's not fatal. Yeah, so you will just live for
years and years and years with this and at the
time challenges like this is like the eighteen forties. There
is no known people had done it before, but there
is no widely known effective cure or treatment. So Simms
is like, I'm gonna crack this nut. I'm gonna figure
out how the fuck to do this on this person
who can't tell me not to because a lot of
white women could have been like this hurts too much
and refused.
Speaker 1: Yeah, undergoing surgery without it anything. Yeah, it's gonna there's
something about it that makes a girl what to say stop.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, white women pain tolerance super well, so much.
Speaker 2: So that is actually a part of this episode is
that they believe back then that black people had higher
pain tolerance.
Speaker 1: They still believe it. It's still in medical textbooks.
Speaker 2: Oh really, it's seriously, Yeah, it's really funny.
Speaker 1: They still believe it, Like because that's what the that's
what the only research that exists says, and it is
research that's peer like it's but it's also easy to
tilt a peer reviewed study into a certain direction.
Speaker 2: Right right right. It sucks for them because and then
they're like, oh, you have a higher pain tolerance. It's fun,
you can, you can take this. But in general, I
would love to have a higher pain tolerance.
Speaker 1: I think I have a surprisingly high pain tolerance actually,
but I have a low complaint tolerance, which is they
get confused for each other. I'll complain about anything, but
it actually doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt for a long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's aware, but including your sister. You almost threw
down with.
Speaker 2: Huh damn, we're moving on of my So SIMS performed
thirty operations on ANARCA, just trying to figure out how
the fuck to fix this thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so many thirty times under the knife and
and no, no you're not asleep, you're just awake.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And then you get.
Speaker 3: Opium after it's called a reward. Gaddy.
Speaker 2: Now, she'd the least they could do. She didn't have anesthesia,
But there is actually a good reason for that.
Speaker 1: They wanted to see how much it hurt.
Speaker 3: No, didn't exist.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's it. It didn't exist. So anesthesia was first
publicly demonstrated in Boston in eighteen forty six, which is
a year after Sims did began his experimental surgeries, and
Sims himself was and this was the.
Speaker 1: South, so things take a couple of years to get
from up to down.
Speaker 2: Sims himself was not aware at the time of the
use of ether, and as late as eight teen fifty three,
when Sims was still doing ficial experiments, many it was
not a medical consensus that chloroform was safer effective. So
a lot of them, no matter who they were doing
surgery on.
Speaker 1: There should have been a consensus and an effectiveness because
you pass out like safe. Sure, but it is.
Speaker 2: That's why they weren't. They weren't aware of its effectiveness
because it was either like a lot of times it
doesn't they don't get enough, and if we give them
too much, they'll die. Well.
Speaker 3: Actually fair, there was no Bill Cosby at the time.
Speaker 1: That's nice. Actually, yeah, they're like, we don't want to
kill these women. We just want to get up in
the proper part and so and see what's happening under Yeah.
Speaker 2: Just do a little cutting and sewing. You know, the
chloroform rag into the vagina.
Speaker 1: I mean that's one way to feel it instantly, to
feel it or not feel it.
Speaker 2: I feel like, why don't you know.
Speaker 1: You would feel the chloroform and then you would stop
feeling just plentything else.
Speaker 2: Just put a bunch of cocaine in there.
Speaker 1: No, but that's like hyper awake. You don't want that.
Speaker 2: Just boot but it numbs it. It does not mean yeah,
give give a vaginal gummy a boof yea cocaine. Yeah,
why not that exists?
Speaker 1: I think, hey, you could put you could put cocaine anywhere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, if there's a hole, you can put cocaine in. No,
no one would ever debate that. But yeah, so there
were no guidelines. There were no even ten years after
he did the surgeries, like, it was not like a
huge thing yet. So again though he figured it out,
it worked eventually, and he figured out how to cure
these fistulas fish with meillas. On December twenty first, eighteen
fifty six, at age thirty two, Anarca was admitted to
the Women's Hospital in New York with the notation that
she had stayed a month and was discharged in January
eighteen fifty seven as cured on a tombstone for her
Uh it says Anak and she was the wife of
Lorenzo Jackson, so her real name was Annak Jackson.
Speaker 1: It took her nineteen years to get cured.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was for a different thing. Okay,
but that was just another record of her.
Speaker 1: Okay, night I was gonna say, nineteen years was shit
coming out of your pussy hole?
Speaker 2: That would be unfortunately time and.
Speaker 3: This was actually Samuel Jackson's great great grandmother.
Speaker 2: That'd be actually wild. If those true, that's why he's
so hard and might need to look into that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't look into like, you know, it's a
pretty common name.
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't twenty three and me, Samuel L. Jackson.
You can't get hair from him.
Speaker 1: You can get hair probably from somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: Hares hair.
Speaker 2: Pubes would have worked.
Speaker 1: Pubs will work.
Speaker 3: We should start our own kind of ancestor dot com
based solely off pubes, or just.
Speaker 1: Just to find like, if you're really like just find
the historical person that you're related to. That'd be kind
of interesting.
Speaker 2: It's just like ancestry dot com.
Speaker 1: But you send your pubes, send them to send them
a Dan's apartment.
Speaker 3: We'll do a shit Lincoln, the bio man, Napoleon, that's
my great great great great uncle.
Speaker 2: If you send us your pubes, we'll just tell you
you're related to somebody.
Speaker 1: Sweet remind me I'll do before I leave.
Speaker 2: Cool, plenty of grass. Now you can keep them.
Speaker 1: No, send Dan your pubes, he said so.
Speaker 2: Between eighteen forty five and eighteen forty nine, Sims performed
more experimental surgery on several other slaves and to treat
the same sort of vaginal problems He actually business was
booming so hard he added a second story to the
forebad hospital and expand in his backyard. But that entrepreneur,
that's just doctor stuff back then, that you have a backyard.
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny. Now I feel like, for at
least for women's like for women who give birth, like
they are coming back around to backyard hospital. Not quite
backyard hospitals, but like birthing centers and like little like
a little center I went.
Speaker 2: We went to one before our first child was born,
and I was like, so what happens if things go
ad and they're like, oh, it's great, it's fine, we
call an ambulance. And I was like, the same.
Speaker 1: Thing that would happen if you didn't come here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, you know what.
Speaker 1: We could just we could just skip all that.
Speaker 2: We could just go straight to the hospital straight there. Thankfully. Thankfully,
a friend of ours who gave birth like a year before,
a year and a half before us, she like nearly
bled out from just like a lot of blood loss, thankfully,
And that scared Courtney into just being like a hospital.
Speaker 1: I just I could never do it. Don't do it
at home, Like there's I don't even like, don't I
don't want to. You don't want to do that. You
don't want tarps and tubs.
Speaker 2: And it's a kiddie pool luds.
Speaker 1: I believe that should be someone else's job.
Speaker 3: The medical field for women has come a long way.
Unless you're a gymnast.
Speaker 2: That it's still glad, you believe it's still hard. Keep believing, yeah,
that it's still sim's level of still an arctic.
Speaker 1: Most of the things that they've learned have been learned
in the less like fifteen.
Speaker 3: Twenty years, so Larry nasaar Joe I got it.
Speaker 1: No, I got it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hey, you know what, all the big ten
doctors are bad.
Speaker 1: They're all bad. He's just the one that got generally,
the one.
Speaker 2: That got got He's not the only one of that
guy got. The Indiana men's basketball doctor got busted for
doing it.
Speaker 1: But we're talking about women right now, rob Okay, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Saying, Isaiah Thomas got like forty prostate exams in college.
Speaker 3: And then you have the Ohio state wrestling coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, No, it wasn't the coach. It was their doctor.
But the coaches covered it up, including that guy who's
a congressman.
Speaker 1: I've never been assaulted by a doctor, and I'm a
little bit offended honestly.
Speaker 2: Right now, Well call your dad, dad.
Speaker 3: Why haven't you killed two birds of one stone?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with my pussy?
Speaker 3: This is how you make it in comedy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's classic. Austin's my dead move figure people. Yeah.
Uh so one of Simms's key developments. And this is
actually huge again ethically, not great medically. This guy's pretty legit.
He figured out that one of the things that was
fucking up his his repairs was that the sutures they
would use would cause infections or not be effective and
stuff like that. So he was like, well, okay, what
won't cause an infection that I can use to sew
up a wood to sut your wouind't especially in the
inside of the body where everything's grosser and blah blah blah.
Hair silver So he had a jeweler prepare silver wire
and he used that any medical staple. Yes, it stopped
the infections that were associated with silk stootures and that cause.
And also sometimes they use lead sutures have to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, surgical surgical steel with a little extra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Gabby kind of seems like the type that
would still do like those drops of So we're under.
Speaker 1: Tom, do you get is there something cool that happens?
Speaker 2: I think it's just for health, just general wellness.
Speaker 1: It probably would.
Speaker 2: It's good it's we try umpires away.
Speaker 1: Put some CBD in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of benefits
to drinking silver.
Speaker 3: So no, Lie Giorgio's ex girlfriend made him do it
Jesus every day every day. I think George, that's why
he turned blue.
Speaker 2: Really, No, it was clodial silver or whatever. Yeah, good lord,
Uh so original occasionally he was just really sad, blue blue. Oh,
he's yeah.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: He also invented a rectal examination position in which the
patient's on the left side and the right knee is
flexed against the abdomen. The left knee is slightly flexed.
This is named for him to this day. It's the
Sims position or whatever the fuck it is.
Speaker 3: Not to be confused with the Sins position.
Speaker 2: No, you could, though you could.
Speaker 1: All of these positions are also in the Kama Sutra.
You can, I would guess. I actually don't know, but
it's it seems like I feel like, if it's making
a hole easier to access medically, then it's also easier
to access sex.
Speaker 3: Name any position that you can't have sex with, I mean,
starter position for a runner. You can have sex that.
Speaker 2: Way, you could.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris cross apple sauce, you could.
Speaker 3: You could have sex crisscross apple sauce.
Speaker 2: There's so many ways.
Speaker 3: Other than just like so, if you're ever like a cinch,
it's on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your fault.
Speaker 3: Be creative, you know, no one's boxing the end.
Speaker 1: Look at old medical journals for sexual inspiration.
Speaker 2: UH. After Sims successfully treated in NARCA, he was asked
by many white women to repair their fistulas, and he
did occasionally do experimental surgery on white women as well. However,
because they had a choice, a lot of them would
get started and be like, oh, please stop, I'm out.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But his main subjects were slaves with ficials. Sim
searched for patients with fisila because you got you gotta
double check it right, You got to do it again
and again and again. And he succeeded in finding six
or seven women and girls slaves, and he took responsibility
for their care on the conditions that the owners just
provided clothes and pay any taxes. I don't even know
what the tax situation would be. And he did also
purchase the resort fee. Yeah, he did also purchase one
slave in specifically to do the experimental surgery on her.
But that sounds horrible, But he bought her because her
owner wouldn't let her get the surgery.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2: Not the worst.
Speaker 1: It's not the worst reason.
Speaker 2: Honestly, one of the better reasons I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: The buy in terms of slaves slave purchasing. Yeah, yeah,
it's like rehoming a dog. It's like you can't. I
can't give this dog back to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Christina's dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Sims, of course never got any heat for
this because they were slaves, but not only because they
were slaves and people just didn't care. In fact, the
South considered the fact that they had slaves to be
a huge medical research advantage over the North.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There is literally, believe it, Yeah, there is literally a
college like brochure from the South Carolina Medical College in
the eighteen thirties Gocox that wrote this, and I'm gonna
quote the whole thing. No place in the United States
offers as great opportunities for the acquisition of anatomical knowledge,
subjects being attained from among the colored population, and sufficient
number for every purpose, and proper disseection carried on without
offending any individual in the community. Those impediments which exist
in so many other places to the prosecution of this
study are not here thrown in the path of the student,
public feeling being rather favorable than hostile to the advancement
of the science of anatomy. So they were recruiting, They're like, dude,
if you go to medical school up north, you're going
to have like.
Speaker 1: You're not getting good education.
Speaker 2: The current experiment research we give you.
Speaker 1: They're ahead, they're ahead.
Speaker 3: If you went to college. There was no like poor
guy that needed to pay his rent or pay his
tuition by signing up for studies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people weren't doing that voluntarily.
Speaker 3: Because everybody that went to college them was wealthy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No one's like donating plasma or research studies.
Speaker 2: So the call. Well, this college announced in advertisements in
the Charleston newspapers that it had set up a specific
surgery room four negroes quote, and offered to treat without
charge while it was in session any interesting cases sent
by their owners for the benefit and instruction of their pupils.
Speaker 3: Every time you say that word, I see a little
smirk in the corner of my eye.
Speaker 2: I just see smirking you like saying that word. What negro? Yeah,
that is in it's this is in reflex.
Speaker 1: I thought it was fial is given me giving me
a giggle. It's a fun word to say, it is.
Speaker 2: So essentially they were like, send your people, will treat
them for free. But the weirder the better, and uh yeah,
good deal for everyone. Except Honestly, I'll say this, there's
probably a lot of slaves that would have gotten no
treatment for whatever, for their weird shit was.
Speaker 1: So now there pussy's work again. Right, there's white.
Speaker 2: Women who's pussy guys too, Like they're like the college
was anything. Yeah, the college was just like you got
a weird thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Would you rather receive experimental treatment or no treatment?
I suppose it's just experimental.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sign me up taking the experimental most of
the time.
Speaker 1: If the choice is between ship discharge and the possibility
of no ship discharge, I'm signing, like, get to poken because.
Speaker 2: Your life is basically over if you don't get that fixed.
Speaker 1: Especially the woman. I mean, if your your whole don't
work right, what value do you have?
Speaker 2: You are a whole.
Speaker 1: That's that's what they were.
Speaker 3: It's something I might have to actually come to grips
with with no health insurances.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll just take the experimental. Yeah, yeah, you gotta
go to you'll pay me for that. Okay, I'll take
shady doctor and just get it done.
Speaker 3: Make the system work for you. It's what I'm saying.
I don't have health insurance, I can't get medical treatment.
Sign up and become a test subject.
Speaker 1: It's gonna take a little longer, but it's gonna be free.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might bleed out before that, but but.
Speaker 1: You might not. You might get a bet.
Speaker 2: I'll be in such a bitch. Say yes, say yes,
Say yes more in life to experimental meal. So he
he named three. Simms did name three black women and
girls in his autobiography, although he did work on more
than three Anarca, Betsy, and Lucy. Each of them had
Fishillah's And another interesting thing about the surgery was I
guess Sims was like so hardcore about figuring it out,
a real grinder, a real relentless worker, that his doctor's
assistants all just got burnt out and quit. So the
only people assisting him in the surgery were the patients themselves.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean I think that would give you
something to focus on. Though it's like hold the light straight,
you know, like.
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, hold steady woman. Not all the experiments were great.
One patient, Lucy, nearly died from sepsis because Sims accidentally
left a sponge in her m.
Speaker 1: That happens. Yeah, when you don't have an assistant, like,
you need a second pair of eyes, you need a buddy.
Speaker 2: Check this one. There were other doctors there. He just left.
Speaker 1: It was just negligence.
Speaker 2: It was just nic Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, a sharp tool that would suck. But
a sponge, it just kind of seems like it would
be a beneficial thing to happen.
Speaker 1: For a time. I don't know if it's really And
then you know, you ever left a you have to
ever left a wet sponge in the sink and then
left for the Weekendah, that's that. But it's in your body.
Speaker 3: I guess I kind of festers. Maybe some news they.
Speaker 1: Do tend to fester.
Speaker 2: Real real uh, breeding ground for filthy things.
Speaker 1: That's warm, it's dirty, very.
Speaker 3: Useful though if you internally bleed a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, you soon replacing it that you.
Speaker 2: Do want to swap it out? Yeah, eventually it's.
Speaker 1: Like a tampon. It's like you don't want TSSM from
a dirty sponge.
Speaker 3: Right, that's what you got speaking from an experience.
Speaker 1: I've ever had it, but I have sure tested the limits.
Good God, we'd be putting stuff in there all the time.
Speaker 2: I'd be the same way. I'd be such a lazy
tampon changer, Like I'd be like I think I'd get
another couple of miles out of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it's like a gas
they cost money. You're just like, fuck, yeah, I could
take it out, or I could I could go to
sleep and take it out in the morning. I could
take when you're tired and.
Speaker 2: It doesn't stop period, don't sleep.
Speaker 1: Listen, there's a couple of days that don't sleep. But
then there's a couple of days where it's pretty snoozy.
Speaker 2: You know. Okay, you a roll of paper towels, you know,
kind of bunch it up, shove it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then the next morning you just get in there
with your fingers in the shower and just you know,
you just clean up ladies, all three of us, anyone else.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people learning things they hope aren't
true about their wives.
Speaker 1: They're like, women are disgusting and stop giving them microphone.
Speaker 3: Our fraternity house, actually the septic tank exploded.
Speaker 1: Because of tampon's probably those of flushable wipes.
Speaker 3: No, it was one of our brother's girlfriends just kept
flushing her tampons down the toilet, and yeah, it caused
a shit river.
Speaker 1: It was only not one woman's tampon, so it was
it was an entire generation of people's girlfriend's tampons.
Speaker 2: Certainly. Yeah, there were tampons in there from the seventies. Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 1: Those did not disintegrate the same.
Speaker 3: No, but she was very willing. They were just as
best she disposed of them. So you saw them, I
would all they were kind of just in the toilet.
Speaker 2: It's not good. Yeah, they would always clog the toilet.
Speaker 1: College girls are just as gross as college boys.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably gross, underrated.
Speaker 1: Definitely grosser in some ways.
Speaker 3: They definitely didn't away with it.
Speaker 1: They definitely shower less, I'll say that.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, shower less.
Speaker 3: How much how many times are you shower?
Speaker 1: I mean currently a lot more than I didn't call it.
Speaker 3: How many times did you shower a day in college?
Speaker 1: Definitely not daily, definitely not daily.
Speaker 2: That's insane.
Speaker 3: Even not even a shower twice a day. Well, good
for you morning and night.
Speaker 1: College girls they have faked tan, they have blowouts, they're hungover,
they have class like. College girls are just like walk
they're like a they're just like a cesspool of germs
and chemicals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're getting filled up.
Speaker 1: They're getting filled up, and they're using boys razors to
trim their pubes at parties.
Speaker 2: That's normal.
Speaker 1: At what is this the first time you're hearing of this?
Speaker 2: Did you ever do this?
Speaker 1: I never did this, but I have been in the
bathroom with girls.
Speaker 2: That did this because they like knew they're going to
hook up that night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they didn't know they were going to hook
up that night, and then they get to the party
and they're like, actually things have changed. And you go
to the bathroom in a gaggle as.
Speaker 3: You do landscaping down and then you see.
Speaker 1: Especially if it's a good electric trimmer, because I guess
girls don't have those back then, and yeah, they just
go to town with a strange.
Speaker 3: Man, like my beard trimmer is just being yeah, to
create a runway.
Speaker 1: I've seen tiktoks of men that get like some disgusting
face eating bacteria from I.
Speaker 2: Would be from that so annoyed. And it wasn't even to.
Speaker 1: Fuck me, yeah yeah, especially yeah.
Speaker 2: Because it was to bang me. I'd be like, girl,
whatever you need, yeah, sure, I'm here for you. Well
please do that.
Speaker 3: Sounds like you're a selfish guy.
Speaker 1: But this is assuming women are asking for consent, which
is they're definitely doing it without asking because it's like
walking around like, oh I I showed up here this way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're obviously not asking. No one would ever asked that.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, no, I never did it. I never did it.
In fact, I did the opposite, just hooking up with
the crazy pew of situation. Fair enough, because when they're blackout,
who cares?
Speaker 2: That wouldn't stop me.
Speaker 1: Didn't stop anyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it never does. You might just not go down
on them. That would be the only in college.
Speaker 1: No one's going down on anyone. Well girls are girls
aren't getting gone down on there for yourself? All right?
We had another disappointment learning about it right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess people were using my razor I
don't know, or or like a roommates racer. Yeah, it's
I'm just eating. I'm just getting like my buddy's beard hair.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thankfully you can't grow any facial hair.
Speaker 2: No, I get it's enough.
Speaker 1: Still, it's enough for the electric, which is which is
what's coveted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he hasn't shaved in four years.
Speaker 2: I wish that's slow, but.
Speaker 1: It's definitely there's definitely some action. Just because it's not
like yours doesn't mean it's invalid.
Speaker 2: I can't grow beard, like fully cannot grow beard. I
thought it would come one day and it never did.
Speaker 3: Mine kind came on late. I never really tested it
until I was like twenty five.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I mean when you were a t FM,
you had a full fucking five o'clock shadow, like every day,
even you were clean shaven, so it was going. It
was bucking by that thing, like.
Speaker 1: With a razor and shaving.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for some reason, that was a mistake, like in.
Speaker 1: The military kind of that's crazy at TFM.
Speaker 2: No, less, well.
Speaker 3: Beards weren't frat.
Speaker 2: They were were not at that time.
Speaker 3: Sam with sleeve tats not frat.
Speaker 1: Not for it. Still, and look how far he's come.
Speaker 2: Now. Look, history is complicated, and Sims deserves to get
shipped on for experimenting on women who could not consent.
Speaker 3: To tear down that statue.
Speaker 2: However, I will give Sims a little credit. The mystery
is complicated. In eighteen seventy one, Sims went to New
York and resumed working at a woman's hospital, where he
provided surgical treatment for women with cancer.
Speaker 1: Sounds totally, that sounds very generous.
Speaker 2: Sounds uncontroversial, right, sure, Yeah, it was very controversial actually
because At the time, cancer was considered to be a
disease that poor people and perverts goot.
Speaker 3: Perverts of course always get cancer.
Speaker 2: It was sexually transmitted gods. Yeah, and uh like, oh
she has breast cancer? Who was sucking on her titties? Everybody?
Speaker 1: Everybody? Yeah, that horror was asking for it.
Speaker 2: Yep, and she's poor.
Speaker 1: Um.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like how you drink out of a
milk carton, you know, you crumple it up and there's
gonna be some lumps that are weird in it. That
kind of checks out logically, I'm thinking with eighteen.
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to Sim's treating women with cancer, the Ladies board of
the women's hospital, Oh what do those biddies do argued
that they should not be treating because a full women's hospital,
not just cancer, should not be treating cancer patients. They're dirty,
poor horse, and the hospital prohibited cancer patients from coming.
At a meeting of the hospital's board of governor In
eighteen seventy four, Sim gave a SIMS gave us a
hard speech, being like fuck you. This is insane. We
should be treating these women at the earliest stages if possible.
And after arguing with the board, he was let go.
He was fucking fired.
Speaker 1: He just took his he just took his hippocratico very seriously.
Speaker 2: And then he went on to establish America's first cancer institute,
the New York Cancer Hospital.
Speaker 1: Wow. Good for him. Glad he didn't let those bitches
give him down.
Speaker 3: Exactly good those come out of terrible situations.
Speaker 2: I think how many.
Speaker 3: Medical advancements did we get from the Nazis.
Speaker 2: Not a lot, Yeah, like what happens to yso adult,
but I gotta think at least one. I don't. I
think we only found out what wasn't possible. Like, oh yeah,
it looks like if you saw a jew to annother's jew,
you do not get one jew. You just got two
dead Jews. So we know that now. Okay, now I'm
going to sow this bird to a jew. Okay, the
jew does not fly, and the bird and jew are dead,
so that does not fuck either. They don't. They weren't
really figuring.
Speaker 1: Out they were process of eliminating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't really figuring out good things, just stuff
that seemed like they were better engineers.
Speaker 3: Okay, we went to the Moon because of them, but
not Yeah again, I don't know any medical advancements that
came from.
Speaker 2: The I actually disagree that they were better engineers. They
were vain, they were bad. It's like a bad rider
who can't edit themselves, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They were better, they just didn't have enough.
Speaker 1: You know, they're just gratuitous. They were self serving because.
Speaker 2: The Tiger tank, this is the best example. The Tiger
tank was like this perfect tank, like unbeatable and like
just like awesome. But the problem was it was crazy
complicated and if it broke down, it took a long
time to repair, and there weren't a lot of them
because they were so complicated, even though it was like
a perfect tank. Meanwhile, the Americans made the Sherman Soup
like like comically easy to repair to the point where
it would only take an hour and they're right back
in battle unless it was like literally blown up. And
we made like one hundred times more of them because
they were super.
Speaker 1: Simple, like one closed system instead of a lot of
open systems.
Speaker 2: That all just sounds like they're perfectionists exactly, and that's
why they lost the war. Well, one of many reasons
they lost the war, but that is a reason they
lost the war. Yeah, we keep it simple. Americans would
just like just keep firing these ship by the Sherman
tank was just like the American car, Like, look, we
don't need to make a good one. We just need
to just fucking make them, just make them perfect. Is
the enemy of good goddamn right.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but like the best car out there
right now is probably Asian Toyota. Yeah, yeah, no, Toyota
makes great cars.
Speaker 2: The Japanese low key take the Japanese had good shit too,
but they don't.
Speaker 3: Break down like they're you know, they're good.
Speaker 1: They're good cars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to change the oil. He really does.
It's like Gabby's samp on.
Speaker 1: It never needs to Yeah, just leave it there for
a lot long it'll you'll be fine. You'll get there.
Speaker 2: Vagina is a Toyota self cleaning.
Speaker 3: Fuel injected now gets here from point A to point B.
Speaker 1: She's not flashy, but she's reliable.
Speaker 2: So they're gonna hate it.
Speaker 1: They're gonna this episode.
Speaker 3: Just fifty five in the right lane.
Speaker 1: Baby, yep, smoking but still working.
Speaker 2: Fuel fishing never gonna stop running, get a lighted on
fire two.
Speaker 1: Hundred thousand miles in counting.
Speaker 2: No Fishill is on that one.
Speaker 3: Listen, guys, it's the rules. If a woman is trying
to do comedy, she must talk about.
Speaker 1: Her gott to talk about her puss. So what's the
Deals episode? It's his episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he forced it on you, honestly I did. I did. Now,
it's like, make Gabby his hack as possible.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Just do you give me, give me your best type
five on a on your pussy.
Speaker 1: Therein't nothing tight about it.
Speaker 3: That was a fucking alley baby. Hey, she threw it down.
Speaker 2: Now, I said at the beginning of the episode, if
those mice deserved a statue, these women probably do, I know.
And in September of twenty twenty one, they got a
Mother's of Gynecology monument in Montgomery, Alabama that you can
visit to this day. So if you ever in Montgomery,
check out this, this monument to these women and Narca
and the other or Anaki should say, it's a real name.
Speaker 1: Oh look at that. This is a nice looking statuette,
a series of statues. Oh nice, yep, life size.
Speaker 2: When did that go up twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Kind of steampunk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems skinish. Yeah, seems like something they would
put up in a post pandemic world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's deserved. Although I think Sims should probably
get a statue as well.
Speaker 1: More so likely I don't love the style.
Speaker 2: We must build a Sims statue to Taranty, more so
for the cancer part than the other stuff. But he
did make the first cancer hospital of the United States.
Speaker 3: He's gotta cut his teeth somehow. What he cut his teeth?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did help a lot of women, just
not in a very ethical way. Although I don't think
he was a bad hearted person, Like I really don't.
Speaker 1: His intentions were good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great, Like the situation is not great.
But I don't think you can like ascribe malice to him.
Speaker 1: No, he really just wanted to help.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did help. He did eventually, it just
wasn't in the best possible way.
Speaker 1: He's not the first man to a wine via a
long line of women's bodies littered behind them. Listen, to
make an omelet, you got to break a few eggs,
and sometimes his eggs are inside of living women's body.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's all I can out for today on the
Mother of Gynecology annaka Jackson, what'd you guys learn today?
Speaker 1: All of it so much? I didn't even know about this,
this shit discharge.
Speaker 2: The most interesting thing to me was that it was
a very common and b if it happened to you,
you just lived in the shadows for the rest of
your life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and go to the island and misfit toys, rightfully, so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe if it happened to you and you're rich,
like you just live in a wing of the house
that no one visits ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, do you even get to be a mom?
Like do you like do they take your baby away
and give it to a woman that's unruined?
Speaker 2: Do not know? I assume that the baby survives, Like.
Speaker 3: You don't want Oh that's gross.
Speaker 1: You don't want to be splooging shit discharge around your
your children?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean eventually the kids, you know. I assume
she was allowed to like breastfeed it maybe sometimes.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but then you know, how many of them
even make it to age five?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Not many?
Speaker 3: You become a pump at that point you drop.
Speaker 2: The baby in the poop, it dies immediately.
Speaker 1: Not great.
Speaker 2: Uh who's today's hitler? Mmmm?
Speaker 1: The fucking New York Society bitches who didn't want to
treat people with cancer because they thought they were sluts.
Speaker 2: Wild.
Speaker 1: Actually, those those ladies always have something up their ass.
They just always had a reason to take away from
other people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, specific it was, by the way, it was women, like,
it was women that did that. The ladies board for
the hospital specifically was like, oh like literal, literal.
Speaker 1: After that, it was the temperance they did that shit too.
They fucking they just love to take shit away from
people having a good time.
Speaker 3: I want to say the literal Nazis we talked about,
because I don't again, I can't think of one memorable
you know, medical advancement they made.
Speaker 1: Ooh, how original today's hitler is the Nazis.
Speaker 2: I think my hitler for today is the one slave
owner was like, you can't, no, you can't poop.
Speaker 1: I don't want her to get that surgery.
Speaker 2: I want to get better sims.
Speaker 1: I locked the smell that comes out of it.
Speaker 2: Sim's just like, oh my god, I'll buy it. Or
also probably the white guy who raped Anna K. Jackson
would be.
Speaker 1: At thirteen, yeah, or twelve up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But also my hitler is the Nazis because of results,
they didn't get any.
Speaker 1: They didn't get any. If you're gonna do all that,
you might as well have something, Yeah, something concrete.
Speaker 2: Look, if you can't justify, if the means aren't justified,
at least have the ends, which.
Speaker 3: This guy had.
Speaker 2: Yes, he got that.
Speaker 3: This guy got the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he fully got there.
Speaker 2: He got it over the goal, he got a lot
of He had a lot of w but he actually did.
Like Sims was a talent. Like I said, Sims was
a talented doctor.
Speaker 1: He took a hippocritical very seriously.
Speaker 3: He got it because he dealt with a lot of ends.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know.
Speaker 1: All the ends, Yeah, I think they do no harm
part he cared a little bit less about.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. But although how much harm reduction was even
possible in the eighteen forties.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think just living it's pretty hard to
have harm reduced. The longer you live, you're gonna you're
gonna endure some harm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, so you don't make it.
Speaker 1: To thirty without significant harm.
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