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Speaker 1: You are now listening to soft core History.

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Speaker 2: What is up? Welcome back to Softcore History. I am

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your host for the week, Rob Fox, joined as always

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by Dan Jester.

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Speaker 3: Always a pleasure to be on your show. Rep.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for showing up to my studio and

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doing the show.

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Speaker 3: Looks really professional. Who did this?

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Speaker 2: I hired some people. Yeah, you know. I didn't want

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to leave it to you to do it, so I brought,

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I bought paid some people and you can.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the time, no.

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Speaker 2: Or the or the Yeah, it just doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: We'll skill.

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Speaker 2: That little chuckle was Gabby Montemor back on the show.

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Speaker 1: Back again, fan favorite third studio. I've done this one

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and I think at least yeah, yeah, yeah, because I

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definitely did spare the the spare bedroom.

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Speaker 2: You did spare about Yeah, you did the spare bedroom.

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You've done this apartment.

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Speaker 3: You ever come to Old Twarf, so this would be

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your fourth.

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Speaker 1: I didn't come to Old Twarf, okay, but I knew

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of it.

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Speaker 3: No, she was aware of Old Torf.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We didn't have a ton of guess

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on the Old because we had Jake. We had fewer

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guests when Jake was here, but Jake is dead.

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Speaker 1: Uh after we to do a reunion episode.

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Speaker 2: We are good.

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Speaker 3: Well, don't spoil it for the people.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe maybe not, depends on if Jake. I want

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to text Jake fucked up shit about the taxes just

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to fuck with him, just to like throw a wrench

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in his Monday, like.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, he still care?

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Speaker 2: Well, he'll care if I'm like, hey MANU, they just

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kept you on the LLC for the whole year, so

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I'm gonna need uh some money.

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Speaker 1: Like he'll care about that. He'll care about that.

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Speaker 2: He will be furious about that. So yeah, I'll probably

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I'll probably fuck with him about the taxes somehow, just

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to be just for by a fun Monday. I don't

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want to be mean about his Florida Gators because that's

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I would get angry if someone did that to me.

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But I'll do it about the taxes. I'll do it

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about something less important like your financial situation than.

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Speaker 3: College football, your livelihood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that I will absolutely do. Gabby, we

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have you on today for a very special reason. We

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needed a person with the uterus.

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Speaker 1: Oh hell yeah that's me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah girl. Now I could have done my wife because

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she's given birth before and this is it has to

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do with that you've.

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Speaker 3: Never done your wife before?

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Speaker 2: What you have three kids? Yeah, I don't know whose

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they are, but I love them. I raised them as

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if they're my. Yeah, I've been printed on them. That

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other guy rode his motorcycle. Never saw him again except

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the two other.

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Speaker 1: Times, you know, like the sunk cost fallacy, Like you've

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come this far, those are yours?

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The legal possession is tenths in the law.

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Speaker 2: Yes, one d percent. And I possess those children. I

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own those children. But I wanted to do. There's mccorty too,

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is She wouldn't even have fun with this. She would

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just be like, no, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Said something gross.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds gesome, deeply gruesome. Today is how we're going

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we're talking about really, this episode is just one of

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many in our series of I promise you life and

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society used to be so much worse than it is now.

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So calm the fuck down always, uh, because what we're

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talking about today is pretty fucking wild. Have you guys

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ever seen Dan. I'll send you a picture for the

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video show. There's a statue at some university I forget

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where of a mouse weaving like DNA like he's like

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knitting DNA a DNA strand. And it's on a university campus,

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I think, or some scientific campus. Anyway, The point is

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is that it is a state a memorial to all

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the mice who quote unquote gave their lives for DNA

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testing for science. Yeah, so it's a little memorial to

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all the mice we tortured.

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Speaker 3: We've lost along the way.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, something. I mean, if it has to

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do with us and mice, I know, I'm not gonna

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like where this is. So I feel like there's gonna

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be a mouse in a cavity. It doesn't belong, but

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Speaker 2: No spoilers, no, no, no, no. A lot of things

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that don't belong in a cavity today, but no mice. Okay,

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if those mice got a statue, then this woman known

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as the Mother of Gynecology should probably get a statue

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because she was a slave that was experimented on surgically

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in order to figure out how to repair post childbirth trauma.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, she was like a like a cut up doll,

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you know, like those like paper dolls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just kept.

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Speaker 1: Going in and trying new things.

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Speaker 2: No, it's not not quite that bad. It's not quite

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that bad. But she was a slave in the Americas

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in the eighteen hundreds, who a doctor was just like,

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I'm gonna try some things. I'm gonna try some stuff.

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But she is known as the mother of gynecology. A

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Narco Westcott is one of her names.

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Speaker 3: Because one of her names.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the name the doctor wrote in his diary.

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Believe it or not.

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Speaker 1: Of course it's not her real name.

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Speaker 2: She got it wrong.

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Speaker 1: Oh I believe it.

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Speaker 2: I believe it. I do. Yes, a narcis I don't know. Well,

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just I'll just.

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Speaker 3: Write a slave woman.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just write.

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Speaker 1: Something subject a.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is with these procedures, they worked and

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it seriously helped a lot of women afterwards. That which

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is why she's not instead of being some like horrible

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murder victim or whatever she's known as like being. She

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is credited as being the mother of gynecology because he

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is thanks to her that the first major gynecological surgical

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procedures post childbirth were developed.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of women in DNA, I only know this because

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my friend Shay told me. Apparently a woman is the

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one that kind of found the groundbreak in information when

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it came to the DNA, and then two other dudes

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just stole it from her.

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Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that happens.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of times in the story, a lot

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of things like that.

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Speaker 2: I am an I am two things on this show,

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and one of them is a Da Vinci hater. The

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other one is an Edison lover. I don't care that

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Edison stole everything, all right, He's a grinder.

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Speaker 3: He got the ball over the goal line.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Hemingway stole from his wife too.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's right. Forgot about that. No, so did

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was it Heving? No? Was it Hemingway or was it

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f Scott Fitzgerald?

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Speaker 1: Both of them did, Okay, both of them did, but

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Hemingway especially did. Oh really, I think Scott kind of

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like rip riffed on her stuff, but she was kind

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of like, but Hemingway really just ripped.

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Speaker 3: What does his wife know about anything when it comes

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to a farewell to arm? She doesn't know. She has

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no lived experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually do want to know what he stole

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because she didn't drive an ambulance in World War that.

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Speaker 1: Was not hurt, but there was I mean, I don't know, Gabby.

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Now it's softcore history, not hardcore history.

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Speaker 2: Ruin a good man, Oh yeah, you're in a lot

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of It's people like you that cause him to put

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a shotgun in his mouth.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'll do it again too.

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Speaker 3: Hevingway just got to the age where he was like,

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I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 3: He just came with Hunter S. Thompson.

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Speaker 1: They both just couldn't get drunk enough. They were like, ah,

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I haven't been fucked up in years.

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Speaker 2: Hemingway's liver was literally protruding out of his body, just like.

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Speaker 1: Cirrhosis to yeah, you guys doing that.

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Speaker 3: The Age of eighty you just ended in it.

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Speaker 1: I hope to die before you.

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Speaker 3: Hope to die before eighty.

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Speaker 1: I hope to die quickly.

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Speaker 3: I want to be a bionical man.

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Speaker 1: You want to know. You wouldn't want to live forever,

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wouldn't you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I want to I want to Bonical is the Lego.

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Speaker 3: No, dude, I want to be a bionical man. Bionicals,

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Bionical Remember the Bionicle.

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Speaker 1: That's yes, that's came in the Happy Mail.

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Speaker 3: Like the poor Man's like Transformer.

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Speaker 1: Right, they were like the Lego Transformer.

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Speaker 2: Right, it was Lego bionical.

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Speaker 1: It was like Lego's version of transfer.

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Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, it was like Legos for stupid kids. Yeah.

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I had those that have my Street Sharks Eddie toy

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that you could go.

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Speaker 1: He had the special bus with the seatbelt.

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Speaker 3: I had that medieval castle with like the little knights.

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Speaker 2: In the cannon on and the canon which I did. Go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't act like you're better than me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not better than you. I will trash like I am.

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I embraced the trash. You you hide it.

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Speaker 1: The American girl dolls real historian over here.

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Speaker 2: I my one of my favorites. Do reason from my

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wife is that she had the a couple of American

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girl dolls, including let's tie back in the epis a little bit,

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including the slave one, uh huh Addie uh huh yeah.

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And she asked her dad one day why ADDIE's bed

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was so much shittier than the uh the Gilded Age one.

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Speaker 1: At Samantha Yeah yeah, yeah, yah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And her dad had to awkwardly explain to the eight

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year old Courtney what a slave wash. And she felt

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so bad that she gave Addie the rich girl's bed.

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Speaker 1: Ah, that's so cute. That's really cute. Yeah, I love that.

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That's such a good story.

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Speaker 3: Now that's a story she told you. The truth was

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much darker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I believe it. Corney kicked you out of the

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bed and I slept in her bed with you with

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her on her birthday trip all those years ago.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, when you snored a lot.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, you still do?

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Speaker 2: No, I have a retainer now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the way you said that, initially, I'm like, did

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Courtney offer up a birthday gift?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: You have me and Courtney. No, we just kicked and me.

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It's Courtney and me and Corny and Leo were in

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the pit to go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds about right. So Leo's always there starting away.

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He does clean up for you kind of, that's actually true.

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Literally he ate the baby's diarrhea the other day too.

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That he is a he's a champ him and like

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so fast, like.

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Speaker 1: Before you can even react.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I got back to the chair to clean

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it and Leo had slopped all of the baby's diarrhea.

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Speaker 1: It's it's impressive, but discussing.

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Speaker 2: But you know he eats my seamen too.

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean it's all mixed.

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Speaker 3: Rob is a jack off. Corner in the shower. For

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those who are unfamiliar, Well, hat, it's the old house.

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Speaker 1: You gotta start fresh. You gotta start a fresh pile. Yeah,

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a new compost, A compost.

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Speaker 2: That's I'm green. I compost. Everyone knows compost bin. So

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eight to eighteen sixty nine. So she died a free woman,

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series of experimental surgical procedures conducted by one physician, Jay

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Marion Simms, Doctor Sims without anesthesia, No anesthesia, just like.

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Speaker 1: A leather strap and hopefully a little whiskey or something.

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Speaker 2: So opium after after we'll get to it. Oh god,

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we'll get to it.

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Speaker 1: I love it. We'll get to it.

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Speaker 2: We'll get to it.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to getting to Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So opium before just seems non consensual.

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Speaker 2: Uh, it's not a slave. Think she could she would,

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and I.

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Speaker 1: Think she would choose between the opium and no opium.

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I feel like she would choose if she knew what

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she was doing.

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Speaker 2: You take opium, you take the choose opium. So she

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was These surgical procedures were done to her without her

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concern obviously, although I'm a little murky on that and

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I'll get to why. But they were done in order

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to develop treatments for vesica vaginal fistula and recto vaginal

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fistula that resulted from traumatic childbirth. The first one vesico

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vaginal fistula or VVF fistula fistula.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, correct that CONSI.

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Speaker 2: Got you good. Essentially, what happens is is that like

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a hole, like you just there's tears in your insides, like.

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Speaker 1: When two holes become one.

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Speaker 2: Kind of and P you just become incontinent from P

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is that you can't stop.

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Speaker 1: Peeing consider of a pipe, it's like a leaky laucet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're incontinent recto vaginal.

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Speaker 1: That's and that one sounds worse.

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Speaker 2: Is horrific.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: If the opening between the rectum and the vagina is

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wide and essentially like the baby's skull like makes a

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tear in a way that basically like pooh just gets

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re routed. Oh no, so you're just pooping out your

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and farting out of your vagina, oh constantly.

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Speaker 1: The uties from that would be catastrophe.

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Speaker 2: Is there even time for a uta? I mean, I.

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Speaker 1: Feel like pooping in plays like they had to figure

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the way. The only way to figure this out is like,

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someone does this enough that it's an issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, so this happened. This was extremely common,

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extremely common in the era, and it was bad because

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you would essentially be incontinent and just leaking either pee

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or pooh or both out of your vagina at all times,

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shit discharge constantly, like it was essentially like, uh, like

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your pants were a colostomy egg.

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Speaker 3: Oh God, God forbiddingmitter squirt.

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Speaker 1: And the laundry situation was not good either.

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Speaker 2: Not sorry, Absolutely, it's more than.

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Speaker 1: It's more than just pee. It's not just pee.

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Speaker 3: Now, it's pooh.

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Speaker 1: Now, it's other stuff. Now it's chunky.

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Speaker 2: These issues, they happened to women all the time. They

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would cause obviously vaginal irritation, scarring, loss of vaginal function

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for all all reasons. And the worst part, by far,

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is that there was there was no cure for this.

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There was no procedure for this. So if this happened

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to you when you had a baby, it did not

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matter who you were. You basically became exiled from society

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because you were just a leaking pooh monster.

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Speaker 3: There's that and you would also have them complain the

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entire time, and who wants that?

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Speaker 1: And also like the normal terrible things that happened after childbirth,

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like postpartum depression and you're fat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, yeah, send them to the fucking

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looney BND.

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Speaker 2: You go to what you send them to an island?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there things.

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Speaker 2: It was. It was pretty common too, the bottomy City.

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Come on. My my favorite, my favorite thing about the

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Wikipedia that I was reading this from was the Wikipedia

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said the procedures were quote primarily aimed at benefiting uh,

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white female patients, which is funny to me because a

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that obviously it was for white they didn't care him

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the black people. But it also applies to me in

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a way that it wasn't just for female patients. Like

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husbands were like, doctor, please cure my wife. She poops

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out of her vagina now, and I can't take this anymore.

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Speaker 1: This hole is useless to me. Yeah, absolutely render this

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hole useful yet again.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Butthole's clean and dry.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Butthole's never been cleaner, never been cleaner.

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Speaker 1: But they don't really have a good loop situation back then.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. They got whales oil and olive oil. Yeah,

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they got all this stuff. I mean of oil has

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been a rectal lube since time immemorial.

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Speaker 3: We we that was actually the first he used for Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We someone like was fucking over a stove and was like, hey,

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that's most pretty good. We saw taste of onions in

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this or something.

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Speaker 1: Here.

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Speaker 3: Let me squeeze a little out of your ass.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's the original.

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Speaker 2: Uh So Simms was though not strictly speaking ethical, but

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what does that even mean in the eighteen forties, he

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was nonetheless a very talented doctor for the time, for

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the time really kind of overall. We'll get in a

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little bit talented mister Ripley, you say, tiled mister Sims.

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Speaker 1: Not just a leech guy and a barber, but like

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a real prodigy.

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Speaker 3: A talented Ripley. You know, he's ripping the whole Yeah,

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come on, dude.

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Speaker 1: Rip the stick them.

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Speaker 2: So when Sims and he was a was there there

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wasn't really kind of cologists then, but he specialized in female.

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Speaker 1: Patients, recreational mycology kind of.

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Speaker 2: So when Sims once went to see a patient who

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had injured she had injured her pelvis from a fall

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from a horse. He placed her in a new position

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called the knee chest position, and he inserted his finger

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into her vagina. This allowed this allowed Sims to see

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the patients of vagina clearly, and it spurred him. That

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inspired him to invest investigate, Uh what is it fistulas treatment? Uh?

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And in order to facilitate the examination of patients vaginas,

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he soon developed the precursor to the modern speculum. So

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he is, he is credited with he is, but he's

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credited with inventing the speculum.

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Speaker 3: Now did this guy create the shaker?

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Speaker 2: You gotta think he did the shakertor.

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Speaker 1: Is it a creation or you know, like was it

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like an accidental thing like viagra?

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Speaker 3: It already existed. I think he maybe just you know,

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put his name on it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, put his real stamp on it.

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Speaker 2: It's no longer the shocker, it's the Sims.

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Speaker 1: For So they're they're grasping their knees and they're like

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on their backs, yeah, like rely Pulley position, yep.

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Speaker 2: And he's able to get in there and he's just

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see speculuming. But yeah, I guess I wonder what the.

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Speaker 1: Tools were at first, Like a pair of tongs could

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get you there.

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Speaker 2: It was a pewter spoon and strategically placed mirrors.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah.

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Speaker 3: You gotta deal with what the tools you have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that that would work.

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Speaker 2: Sims, though he is credited, is actually not the first

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person to successfully treat officila, not even in the United States. However,

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I guess these doctors kind of kept it to themselves

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because there was one repaired in eighteen thirty eight, and

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there was one repaired in eighteen thirty nine, but it

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didn't get far.

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Speaker 1: But they didn't like publish their findings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there is actually even someone who did publish

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how to repair it in sixteen seventy six, but for

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whatever reason, none of this stuck and women were just

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pooping out of their vaginas for another two hundred years.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to women's healthcare, where if it happened to men,

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it would be free and taken care of. But because

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it happens to women, nothing like you have to. They

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have to do the same thing ten times before they

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actually start making it standard.

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Speaker 2: Well, I heard about women's po She sounds hysterical. It

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was repaired once, but many think that's myth.

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Speaker 1: But how can you repair a woman when they're so

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broken to begin with.

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Speaker 2: It's like a wine glass. If it breaks, you buy

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an buy.

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Speaker 1: A new one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also like wine. Though you let the problem

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kind of sit for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: You want to air it out.

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Speaker 2: Problem is it's not a good it's too humid. It

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just goes bad. Terms of vinegar mm hm. His medical

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experimentation on Anarca and the other slaves is credited with

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the development of modern gynecology. Obviously, it's also very controversial

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because slaves, but he is credited with a sort of

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pioneering modern gynecology. Now, we obviously don't know a ton

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about Anarca's life. Doctor Simms is apparently the primary source.

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Speaker 1: She was a slave, so you know, you don't even

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know her real name.

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Speaker 2: We do, we I did find it. We'll get to it.

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She was. What we do know is that she was

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legally illiterate, in that it was illegal for her to

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know how to read. But no, no, no, no, no,

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it's as bad. It's as bad as you think.

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Speaker 1: But at least she can read.

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Speaker 2: She first appears in Simms's autobiography as a quote little

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mulatto girl living in the doctor's how house in Alabama.

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Now that means so she was pretty.

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Speaker 3: Well, it means she was part white skinned.

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Speaker 2: She was pretty probably.

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Speaker 1: If she's you know inside right, what she's inside, like,

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they're not having ugly people inside, right.

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Speaker 2: She was pretty young when he was dealing with her,

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So yeah, she probably was pretty because I feel like

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you hit, you hit twenty five in that era.

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Speaker 1: And you just rot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just garbage then, I know, right?

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Speaker 3: Young was she when he started experimented?

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Speaker 2: Thirteen?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's probably you're not even done.

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Speaker 1: You're nowhere near done cooking. All your parts are still

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like they're all babyface.

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Speaker 3: I holsted some jokes before I found out the age.

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Speaker 1: There's probably not even grass on the field, you know, Yeah,

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but the product. I didn't have grass on the field

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at thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Yea, did they hit puberty before us? You think?

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Speaker 1: Probably later?

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Speaker 2: Now earlier.

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Speaker 1: It's happening earlier and earlier.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's what I figured.

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Speaker 2: It's women's hair products, the micro classics, it's.

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Speaker 1: The hormones and chicken sure, among other things.

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Speaker 2: Is it okay? I wouldn't know. Was not an early bloomer.

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Speaker 1: Neither was I. But didn't mean I didn't try. Yeah,

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I ate a lot of chicken, ate, a lot of breast,

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all that.

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Speaker 2: Sweet, sweet, juiced up chicken and pork.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, it's all the shit that they put in our meat.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of sick. Though, we look awesome. Every generation

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gets better looking.

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Speaker 1: These girls are twenty four and they look fucking forty

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like these girls are.

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Speaker 3: No. No, that's because they do surgery way too early.

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Speaker 2: I swear to God every time, like you know, every August,

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the sorority rush TikTok videos come through, and every time

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I see them, I'm like, these girls are way hotter

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than when I was.

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Speaker 1: It's because they look like adult women because they're all

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so advanced. Yeah, because they've been full grown for six

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years as opposed to like three years you have.

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Speaker 3: Now, forty year old women look like awesome. We get

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forty year old women in the sixties or like look

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at yeah, yet look.

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Speaker 1: At look at twenty year old women.

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Speaker 2: Look at fifty five year old women like that. Fox

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Well's not Fox News anymore.

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Speaker 1: But Megan Kelly, Oh yeah, but she has she's had

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a lot of she's had tasteful work done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna say though, it's tasteful, like she doesn't

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look bad like it's not like a freeze.

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Speaker 3: She's what like fifty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she is up there and she looks like she's

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fucking forty.

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Speaker 1: Proof that you're not ugly, you're just poor.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know. Oh that's all it is. I'm about

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to become so ugly, so ugly. Take it in, boys,

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I know, in all.

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Speaker 1: This rapid weight loss, it's gonna make you look a

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little haggard. We got to talk about that.

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Speaker 3: It's thirty pounds, baby.

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Speaker 1: We gotta get you on a collagen regimen.

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Speaker 3: Not at a shoulders heeling up. We're gonna get We're

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gonna hit the way it's in. We're gonna be fine.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be good as news, not before your face

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freaking sinks in on itself.

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auto renewing subscription purchase. Sims wrote on the following page

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of his autobiography, a little Negro girl would sleep in

538
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the room with me and hand me a drink of

539
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,000
water occasionally. Oh my god, that's a nice way to

540
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put it.

541
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he sounds great for the time.

542
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: Seriously, there's no way she's sleeping.

543
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: Well, she's just terrified. She's like, please don't rape me tonight,

544
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:30,920
Please don't.

545
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: Well, she wasn't her, she wasn't his slave.

546
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,279
Speaker 1: Oh so he was borrowing her. Yeah, oh sure, okay.

547
00:26:37,079 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that happened.

548
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 1: You know the people raped other people's slaves.

549
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,200
Speaker 2: Oh sure they did.

550
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: Okay, they do that.

551
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 2: Players Now, when she was with her, or when he

552
00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:49,799
was with her, when she was with him, living with him,

553
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:53,559
that was when she was broken, So I doubt I

554
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,920
don't think so. If I had to guess, that was

555
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when when the fistillas were chilling.

556
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we'll give him my past.

557
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,559
Speaker 2: Anarka next turns up in the in the autobiography as

558
00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:10,160
a quote. A young colored woman about seventeen years of age,

559
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,039
well developed, belonging to a mister Wescott who lived a

560
00:27:13,039 --> 00:27:19,119
mile from Simms's house in Montgomery, Alabama. So when Simms

561
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actually works on her, she is thirteen years old.

562
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Speaker 1: And she's given birth by this point.

563
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: Yes, oh my god, Sims was called to assist with

564
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:32,799
her labor that had been going on for three days

565
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:33,400
at that point.

566
00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, because she's also not big enough, she's not

567
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full grown.

568
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: Yes, and this is why this all this stuff happened

569
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,839
to her. That is specifically why the official has happened.

570
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: And because your pelt like your hips have it, you're.

571
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:47,079
Speaker 2: Not ready yet. You're not ready. You don't have a

572
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:52,319
baby bucky yet. It was not recorded how Anarka became pregnant.

573
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would it? But I'm sure it would implicate

574
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,880
somebody who didn't.

575
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:02,799
Speaker 2: Want Yeah, that was my thought. It was not not

576
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,880
cool black gentleman who got her.

577
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:09,799
Speaker 1: Pregnant, certainly not. I me guess the babies didn't live.

578
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:13,319
Speaker 2: It was a stillborn baby. Uh huh likely story someone

579
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,119
got real lucky.

580
00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: That's what they all say. Yeah, still born with a

581
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,599
pillowcase over it's huh yeah.

582
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah. Because by thinking on why, it was a probably

583
00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,559
one of her owners or someone or an overseer or

584
00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,039
something who got a pregnant and not a fellow slave

585
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,480
is because they would have written that down because that

586
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:34,880
now it's new slave.

587
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Speaker 1: Especially if they're this invested in the birth. I feel

588
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,680
like slaves usually would just if it was a slave

589
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,880
having a slave baby, they would it would be like,

590
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:44,200
all right, they're calling out sick from work, Like it

591
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:45,920
would be like, I don't I feel like they wouldn't

592
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be calling for help.

593
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: Well, my thought on it is that that I guess

594
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,400
it's more product.

595
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,599
Speaker 3: That's yeah, I guess, yeah, it's economical.

596
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you would want to record that for your own.

597
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: Like my car is making a lot of noise? Can

598
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,359
we come and get it? Fit your book so we

599
00:28:59,400 --> 00:28:59,799
don't get it?

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Speaker 2: Told? Is now you have another one for free? Yeah, okay,

601
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880
which is huge because slaves were expensive. Only rich people

602
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,160
really owned slaves. Like it wasn't like maybe upper middle

603
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,240
class had like a couple.

604
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Speaker 3: I mean our poor Irish ass yeahs did not have no.

605
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,799
Speaker 2: I think like this, I actually look it up.

606
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,039
Speaker 1: Might have been a slave. I don't think I was.

607
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: Actually, you have probably more conquista.

608
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: Door, especially at this time.

609
00:29:26,039 --> 00:29:30,039
Speaker 3: You're actually related to Cortez Cortez.

610
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,839
Speaker 2: I like Cortel in the eighteen sixty census right before

611
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,319
the Civil War, twenty five percent of white households in

612
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:42,400
the Confederacy owned slaves, So three out of four white

613
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,799
households did not own slaves because it was really.

614
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Speaker 1: Second home, not many of us. Yes, my mom has

615
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:52,119
a second home. She's not rich, she just has two

616
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:52,920
okay homes.

617
00:29:55,519 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think it is the type of thing

618
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where it is like owning a vacation like a little

619
00:30:00,119 --> 00:30:03,559
second old But some people like toy, yes, Like some

620
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,279
people have a home like a vacation home or a

621
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lake house that's like a real rinky dink.

622
00:30:09,599 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: Like a shithole.

623
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's extra right and it's cool they get

624
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,359
to go to it, because then I've been to those.

625
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,079
But then other people, even on that same lake have

626
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:18,039
god damn mansions.

627
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, Gabby just said it.

628
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: Folks.

629
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,839
Speaker 3: Owning a slave is the same as owning a classic car.

630
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:26,119
So own a slave, now the value.

631
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Speaker 1: The value only goes up if you take good care

632
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:28,880
of it.

633
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,119
Speaker 3: If you take a Jewish slave, Now that's a real classic.

634
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:36,119
Speaker 2: A what doing one? You did? Okay?

635
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:37,759
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I missed.

636
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:41,519
Speaker 1: I had the kind of weekend where I was like

637
00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:42,240
I could use this.

638
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:48,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know the feeling. So she was physically immature

639
00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:51,559
for giving birth, and that almost certainly contributed to the

640
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:54,559
fishilas uh A, Narca's baby was still born. As I said,

641
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,000
Anarka was brought back to Simms's place because she had

642
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,079
the fish was in her veget her vagina and he

643
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,039
rectum so fully incontinent. Poo poo river coming out of

644
00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,359
the vagina at that point, you don't even notice the

645
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:10,599
p really, you know what I mean? You're good, bro,

646
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:11,559
I'm fine.

647
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,559
Speaker 3: Oh, jittering and ship disrespect the flag? Yeah, see that

648
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,519
flag was used to bomb Syrians. I thought it was

649
00:31:21,079 --> 00:31:23,400
it was our it was in our honor. Is for

650
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:23,920
the show?

651
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:30,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, a drone was flown in our honor and killed someone. Seriously, Actually,

652
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:36,880
this show has bodies and you're making it worse.

653
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 3: You're making it worse.

654
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:42,319
Speaker 1: Sorry, I think it looks VI inherent resolve.

655
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, this flag was flown on that drone. Dope, we're

656
00:31:47,119 --> 00:31:49,440
pretty cool like that. Shout out Houston Hamilton.

657
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, shout out my man.

658
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

659
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: And uh, if you come at us, you know, if

660
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,480
you want podcast beef, just know we can call it you.

661
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:05,039
Speaker 2: We gotta do any time. So an Arcs is brought

662
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:07,880
back to Sims too, so he can try to work

663
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:14,079
on her. Obviously, she's in horrific pain and it's gross,

664
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,440
smells bad, all this stuff. Here's the here's I don't

665
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:18,880
know if this is the worst part or not, but

666
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:23,319
it's not fatal. Yeah, so you will just live for

667
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:28,640
years and years and years with this and at the

668
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,319
time challenges like this is like the eighteen forties. There

669
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,799
is no known people had done it before, but there

670
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:41,359
is no widely known effective cure or treatment. So Simms

671
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:45,440
is like, I'm gonna crack this nut. I'm gonna figure

672
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,119
out how the fuck to do this on this person

673
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,720
who can't tell me not to because a lot of

674
00:32:54,079 --> 00:32:56,480
white women could have been like this hurts too much

675
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:57,799
and refused.

676
00:32:57,359 --> 00:33:01,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, undergoing surgery without it anything. Yeah, it's gonna there's

677
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,839
something about it that makes a girl what to say stop.

678
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also, white women pain tolerance super well, so much.

679
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: So that is actually a part of this episode is

680
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,440
that they believe back then that black people had higher

681
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:12,960
pain tolerance.

682
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:15,279
Speaker 1: They still believe it. It's still in medical textbooks.

683
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: Oh really, it's seriously, Yeah, it's really funny.

684
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,759
Speaker 1: They still believe it, Like because that's what the that's

685
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:23,519
what the only research that exists says, and it is

686
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,720
research that's peer like it's but it's also easy to

687
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,240
tilt a peer reviewed study into a certain direction.

688
00:33:30,079 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: Right right right. It sucks for them because and then

689
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,039
they're like, oh, you have a higher pain tolerance. It's fun,

690
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,200
you can, you can take this. But in general, I

691
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:39,720
would love to have a higher pain tolerance.

692
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: I think I have a surprisingly high pain tolerance actually,

693
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,680
but I have a low complaint tolerance, which is they

694
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,960
get confused for each other. I'll complain about anything, but

695
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,839
it actually doesn't hurt. It doesn't hurt for a long time.

696
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, everyone's aware, but including your sister. You almost threw

697
00:33:55,759 --> 00:33:56,240
down with.

698
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:02,799
Speaker 2: Huh damn, we're moving on of my So SIMS performed

699
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:09,000
thirty operations on ANARCA, just trying to figure out how

700
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,000
the fuck to fix this thing.

701
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so many thirty times under the knife and

702
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,360
and no, no you're not asleep, you're just awake.

703
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:20,639
Speaker 2: Yep.

704
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: And then you get.

705
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 3: Opium after it's called a reward. Gaddy.

706
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:29,599
Speaker 2: Now, she'd the least they could do. She didn't have anesthesia,

707
00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:33,280
But there is actually a good reason for that.

708
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 1: They wanted to see how much it hurt.

709
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,119
Speaker 3: No, didn't exist.

710
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 2: Yes, that's it. It didn't exist. So anesthesia was first

711
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,159
publicly demonstrated in Boston in eighteen forty six, which is

712
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:50,559
a year after Sims did began his experimental surgeries, and

713
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,519
Sims himself was and this was the.

714
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,519
Speaker 1: South, so things take a couple of years to get

715
00:34:54,559 --> 00:34:55,199
from up to down.

716
00:34:55,519 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: Sims himself was not aware at the time of the

717
00:34:58,039 --> 00:35:00,840
use of ether, and as late as eight teen fifty three,

718
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:06,960
when Sims was still doing ficial experiments, many it was

719
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,760
not a medical consensus that chloroform was safer effective. So

720
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,679
a lot of them, no matter who they were doing

721
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:14,480
surgery on.

722
00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 1: There should have been a consensus and an effectiveness because

723
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,719
you pass out like safe. Sure, but it is.

724
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,599
Speaker 2: That's why they weren't. They weren't aware of its effectiveness

725
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:26,519
because it was either like a lot of times it

726
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,559
doesn't they don't get enough, and if we give them

727
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:30,280
too much, they'll die. Well.

728
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,679
Speaker 3: Actually fair, there was no Bill Cosby at the time.

729
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: That's nice. Actually, yeah, they're like, we don't want to

730
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,719
kill these women. We just want to get up in

731
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,320
the proper part and so and see what's happening under Yeah.

732
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: Just do a little cutting and sewing. You know, the

733
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,360
chloroform rag into the vagina.

734
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,559
Speaker 1: I mean that's one way to feel it instantly, to

735
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:50,679
feel it or not feel it.

736
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: I feel like, why don't you know.

737
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: You would feel the chloroform and then you would stop

738
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,199
feeling just plentything else.

739
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,519
Speaker 2: Just put a bunch of cocaine in there.

740
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: No, but that's like hyper awake. You don't want that.

741
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 2: Just boot but it numbs it. It does not mean yeah,

742
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,400
give give a vaginal gummy a boof yea cocaine. Yeah,

743
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:08,800
why not that exists?

744
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 1: I think, hey, you could put you could put cocaine anywhere.

745
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, literally, if there's a hole, you can put cocaine in. No,

746
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,280
no one would ever debate that. But yeah, so there

747
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,880
were no guidelines. There were no even ten years after

748
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,519
he did the surgeries, like, it was not like a

749
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:30,119
huge thing yet. So again though he figured it out,

750
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:34,159
it worked eventually, and he figured out how to cure

751
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:42,159
these fistulas fish with meillas. On December twenty first, eighteen

752
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:47,840
fifty six, at age thirty two, Anarca was admitted to

753
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,920
the Women's Hospital in New York with the notation that

754
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,400
she had stayed a month and was discharged in January

755
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:57,400
eighteen fifty seven as cured on a tombstone for her

756
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,440
Uh it says Anak and she was the wife of

757
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,199
Lorenzo Jackson, so her real name was Annak Jackson.

758
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: It took her nineteen years to get cured.

759
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, that was for a different thing. Okay,

760
00:37:13,119 --> 00:37:14,719
but that was just another record of her.

761
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: Okay, night I was gonna say, nineteen years was shit

762
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,280
coming out of your pussy hole?

763
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: That would be unfortunately time and.

764
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 3: This was actually Samuel Jackson's great great grandmother.

765
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,639
Speaker 2: That'd be actually wild. If those true, that's why he's

766
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:29,360
so hard and might need to look into that.

767
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't look into like, you know, it's a

768
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:32,519
pretty common name.

769
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,039
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't twenty three and me, Samuel L. Jackson.

770
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,039
You can't get hair from him.

771
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: You can get hair probably from somewhere else.

772
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true.

773
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: Hares hair.

774
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 2: Pubes would have worked.

775
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: Pubs will work.

776
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,559
Speaker 3: We should start our own kind of ancestor dot com

777
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,920
based solely off pubes, or just.

778
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,559
Speaker 1: Just to find like, if you're really like just find

779
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:54,079
the historical person that you're related to. That'd be kind

780
00:37:54,079 --> 00:37:54,599
of interesting.

781
00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: It's just like ancestry dot com.

782
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,679
Speaker 1: But you send your pubes, send them to send them

783
00:37:58,679 --> 00:37:59,360
a Dan's apartment.

784
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 3: We'll do a shit Lincoln, the bio man, Napoleon, that's

785
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,400
my great great great great uncle.

786
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: If you send us your pubes, we'll just tell you

787
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,320
you're related to somebody.

788
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,639
Speaker 1: Sweet remind me I'll do before I leave.

789
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,519
Speaker 2: Cool, plenty of grass. Now you can keep them.

790
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: No, send Dan your pubes, he said so.

791
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: Between eighteen forty five and eighteen forty nine, Sims performed

792
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:29,079
more experimental surgery on several other slaves and to treat

793
00:38:29,159 --> 00:38:32,920
the same sort of vaginal problems He actually business was

794
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,039
booming so hard he added a second story to the

795
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:40,559
forebad hospital and expand in his backyard. But that entrepreneur,

796
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,599
that's just doctor stuff back then, that you have a backyard.

797
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny. Now I feel like, for at

798
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,559
least for women's like for women who give birth, like

799
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:49,880
they are coming back around to backyard hospital. Not quite

800
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:53,440
backyard hospitals, but like birthing centers and like little like

801
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,920
a little center I went.

802
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:57,639
Speaker 2: We went to one before our first child was born,

803
00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,679
and I was like, so what happens if things go

804
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,440
ad and they're like, oh, it's great, it's fine, we

805
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,679
call an ambulance. And I was like, the same.

806
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,039
Speaker 1: Thing that would happen if you didn't come here.

807
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like, you know what.

808
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: We could just we could just skip all that.

809
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,519
Speaker 2: We could just go straight to the hospital straight there. Thankfully. Thankfully,

810
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,559
a friend of ours who gave birth like a year before,

811
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,960
a year and a half before us, she like nearly

812
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,079
bled out from just like a lot of blood loss, thankfully,

813
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,800
And that scared Courtney into just being like a hospital.

814
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,559
Speaker 1: I just I could never do it. Don't do it

815
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,960
at home, Like there's I don't even like, don't I

816
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,159
don't want to. You don't want to do that. You

817
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,280
don't want tarps and tubs.

818
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 2: And it's a kiddie pool luds.

819
00:39:37,679 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: I believe that should be someone else's job.

820
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:42,559
Speaker 3: The medical field for women has come a long way.

821
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,360
Unless you're a gymnast.

822
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:49,119
Speaker 2: That it's still glad, you believe it's still hard. Keep believing, yeah,

823
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:52,079
that it's still sim's level of still an arctic.

824
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: Most of the things that they've learned have been learned

825
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,519
in the less like fifteen.

826
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 3: Twenty years, so Larry nasaar Joe I got it.

827
00:39:58,440 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: No, I got it.

828
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:02,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, but hey, you know what, all the big ten

829
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:03,519
doctors are bad.

830
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:06,639
Speaker 1: They're all bad. He's just the one that got generally,

831
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:07,039
the one.

832
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: That got got He's not the only one of that

833
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,559
guy got. The Indiana men's basketball doctor got busted for

834
00:40:12,599 --> 00:40:12,800
doing it.

835
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,280
Speaker 1: But we're talking about women right now, rob Okay, I'm just.

836
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: Saying, Isaiah Thomas got like forty prostate exams in college.

837
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:22,079
Speaker 3: And then you have the Ohio state wrestling coach.

838
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, No, it wasn't the coach. It was their doctor.

839
00:40:26,599 --> 00:40:29,159
But the coaches covered it up, including that guy who's

840
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:29,800
a congressman.

841
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,039
Speaker 1: I've never been assaulted by a doctor, and I'm a

842
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:33,199
little bit offended honestly.

843
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,039
Speaker 2: Right now, Well call your dad, dad.

844
00:40:36,639 --> 00:40:38,679
Speaker 3: Why haven't you killed two birds of one stone?

845
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,039
Speaker 2: You know.

846
00:40:40,559 --> 00:40:44,039
Speaker 1: What's wrong with my pussy?

847
00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 3: This is how you make it in comedy.

848
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's classic. Austin's my dead move figure people. Yeah.

849
00:40:53,320 --> 00:41:00,519
Uh so one of Simms's key developments. And this is

850
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:07,639
actually huge again ethically, not great medically. This guy's pretty legit.

851
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,280
He figured out that one of the things that was

852
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:16,960
fucking up his his repairs was that the sutures they

853
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,159
would use would cause infections or not be effective and

854
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,719
stuff like that. So he was like, well, okay, what

855
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,920
won't cause an infection that I can use to sew

856
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,679
up a wood to sut your wouind't especially in the

857
00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:33,920
inside of the body where everything's grosser and blah blah blah.

858
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,199
Hair silver So he had a jeweler prepare silver wire

859
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,159
and he used that any medical staple. Yes, it stopped

860
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,679
the infections that were associated with silk stootures and that cause.

861
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,920
And also sometimes they use lead sutures have to.

862
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, surgical surgical steel with a little extra.

863
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Gabby kind of seems like the type that

864
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,760
would still do like those drops of So we're under.

865
00:42:00,639 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: Tom, do you get is there something cool that happens?

866
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: I think it's just for health, just general wellness.

867
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: It probably would.

868
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,519
Speaker 2: It's good it's we try umpires away.

869
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:13,599
Speaker 1: Put some CBD in there.

870
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of benefits

871
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:17,719
to drinking silver.

872
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,039
Speaker 3: So no, Lie Giorgio's ex girlfriend made him do it

873
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:26,000
Jesus every day every day. I think George, that's why

874
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:26,719
he turned blue.

875
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 2: Really, No, it was clodial silver or whatever. Yeah, good lord,

876
00:42:32,079 --> 00:42:38,599
Uh so original occasionally he was just really sad, blue blue. Oh,

877
00:42:38,639 --> 00:42:39,239
he's yeah.

878
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:40,039
Speaker 1: So.

879
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 2: He also invented a rectal examination position in which the

880
00:42:44,519 --> 00:42:46,400
patient's on the left side and the right knee is

881
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:50,119
flexed against the abdomen. The left knee is slightly flexed.

882
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:53,480
This is named for him to this day. It's the

883
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:55,760
Sims position or whatever the fuck it is.

884
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 3: Not to be confused with the Sins position.

885
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: No, you could, though you could.

886
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: All of these positions are also in the Kama Sutra.

887
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,760
You can, I would guess. I actually don't know, but

888
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,639
it's it seems like I feel like, if it's making

889
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,119
a hole easier to access medically, then it's also easier

890
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:12,760
to access sex.

891
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,679
Speaker 3: Name any position that you can't have sex with, I mean,

892
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,079
starter position for a runner. You can have sex that.

893
00:43:18,039 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: Way, you could.

894
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chris cross apple sauce, you could.

895
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,119
Speaker 3: You could have sex crisscross apple sauce.

896
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: There's so many ways.

897
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 3: Other than just like so, if you're ever like a cinch,

898
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:31,719
it's on you.

899
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's your fault.

900
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 3: Be creative, you know, no one's boxing the end.

901
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: Look at old medical journals for sexual inspiration.

902
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: UH. After Sims successfully treated in NARCA, he was asked

903
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,320
by many white women to repair their fistulas, and he

904
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,719
did occasionally do experimental surgery on white women as well. However,

905
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,199
because they had a choice, a lot of them would

906
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,760
get started and be like, oh, please stop, I'm out.

907
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

908
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:09,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, But his main subjects were slaves with ficials. Sim

909
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:12,719
searched for patients with fisila because you got you gotta

910
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,159
double check it right, You got to do it again

911
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:16,719
and again and again. And he succeeded in finding six

912
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,559
or seven women and girls slaves, and he took responsibility

913
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,639
for their care on the conditions that the owners just

914
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,599
provided clothes and pay any taxes. I don't even know

915
00:44:25,639 --> 00:44:29,679
what the tax situation would be. And he did also

916
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,440
purchase the resort fee. Yeah, he did also purchase one

917
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:38,440
slave in specifically to do the experimental surgery on her.

918
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:46,119
But that sounds horrible, But he bought her because her

919
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,360
owner wouldn't let her get the surgery.

920
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,199
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's nice.

921
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 2: Not the worst.

922
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: It's not the worst reason.

923
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: Honestly, one of the better reasons I've ever heard.

924
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:03,119
Speaker 1: The buy in terms of slaves slave purchasing. Yeah, yeah,

925
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,119
it's like rehoming a dog. It's like you can't. I

926
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:06,480
can't give this dog back to you.

927
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Christina's dog.

928
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

929
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Sims, of course never got any heat for

930
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:21,639
this because they were slaves, but not only because they

931
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:27,320
were slaves and people just didn't care. In fact, the

932
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:33,360
South considered the fact that they had slaves to be

933
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:39,559
a huge medical research advantage over the North.

934
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

935
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 2: There is literally, believe it, Yeah, there is literally a

936
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:50,880
college like brochure from the South Carolina Medical College in

937
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:55,639
the eighteen thirties Gocox that wrote this, and I'm gonna

938
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,280
quote the whole thing. No place in the United States

939
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,159
offers as great opportunities for the acquisition of anatomical knowledge,

940
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:05,800
subjects being attained from among the colored population, and sufficient

941
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,639
number for every purpose, and proper disseection carried on without

942
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:14,000
offending any individual in the community. Those impediments which exist

943
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:17,039
in so many other places to the prosecution of this

944
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:20,039
study are not here thrown in the path of the student,

945
00:46:20,599 --> 00:46:24,320
public feeling being rather favorable than hostile to the advancement

946
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:28,639
of the science of anatomy. So they were recruiting, They're like, dude,

947
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:30,480
if you go to medical school up north, you're going

948
00:46:30,519 --> 00:46:31,039
to have like.

949
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: You're not getting good education.

950
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,079
Speaker 2: The current experiment research we give you.

951
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,519
Speaker 1: They're ahead, they're ahead.

952
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: If you went to college. There was no like poor

953
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,679
guy that needed to pay his rent or pay his

954
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,199
tuition by signing up for studies.

955
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, people weren't doing that voluntarily.

956
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,199
Speaker 3: Because everybody that went to college them was wealthy.

957
00:46:56,079 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. No one's like donating plasma or research studies.

958
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,320
Speaker 2: So the call. Well, this college announced in advertisements in

959
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,639
the Charleston newspapers that it had set up a specific

960
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:11,440
surgery room four negroes quote, and offered to treat without

961
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:15,239
charge while it was in session any interesting cases sent

962
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,280
by their owners for the benefit and instruction of their pupils.

963
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: Every time you say that word, I see a little

964
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,960
smirk in the corner of my eye.

965
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: I just see smirking you like saying that word. What negro? Yeah,

966
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:33,840
that is in it's this is in reflex.

967
00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: I thought it was fial is given me giving me

968
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,559
a giggle. It's a fun word to say, it is.

969
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 2: So essentially they were like, send your people, will treat

970
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,559
them for free. But the weirder the better, and uh yeah,

971
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:56,760
good deal for everyone. Except Honestly, I'll say this, there's

972
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:58,639
probably a lot of slaves that would have gotten no

973
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,039
treatment for whatever, for their weird shit was.

974
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:05,519
Speaker 1: So now there pussy's work again. Right, there's white.

975
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 2: Women who's pussy guys too, Like they're like the college

976
00:48:08,559 --> 00:48:10,679
was anything. Yeah, the college was just like you got

977
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:11,199
a weird thing.

978
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. Would you rather receive experimental treatment or no treatment?

979
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,039
I suppose it's just experimental.

980
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, sign me up taking the experimental most of

981
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:21,840
the time.

982
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: If the choice is between ship discharge and the possibility

983
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:31,679
of no ship discharge, I'm signing, like, get to poken because.

984
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,559
Speaker 2: Your life is basically over if you don't get that fixed.

985
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: Especially the woman. I mean, if your your whole don't

986
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,639
work right, what value do you have?

987
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,519
Speaker 2: You are a whole.

988
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: That's that's what they were.

989
00:48:41,199 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 3: It's something I might have to actually come to grips

990
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,239
with with no health insurances.

991
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,760
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll just take the experimental. Yeah, yeah, you gotta

992
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,400
go to you'll pay me for that. Okay, I'll take

993
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,360
shady doctor and just get it done.

994
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 3: Make the system work for you. It's what I'm saying.

995
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,280
I don't have health insurance, I can't get medical treatment.

996
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:05,119
Sign up and become a test subject.

997
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: It's gonna take a little longer, but it's gonna be free.

998
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, you might bleed out before that, but but.

999
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: You might not. You might get a bet.

1000
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,679
Speaker 2: I'll be in such a bitch. Say yes, say yes,

1001
00:49:16,039 --> 00:49:21,559
Say yes more in life to experimental meal. So he

1002
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:24,199
he named three. Simms did name three black women and

1003
00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:27,000
girls in his autobiography, although he did work on more

1004
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:29,880
than three Anarca, Betsy, and Lucy. Each of them had

1005
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:34,719
Fishillah's And another interesting thing about the surgery was I

1006
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,159
guess Sims was like so hardcore about figuring it out,

1007
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,840
a real grinder, a real relentless worker, that his doctor's

1008
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,920
assistants all just got burnt out and quit. So the

1009
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,880
only people assisting him in the surgery were the patients themselves.

1010
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,639
Speaker 1: Oh no, I mean I think that would give you

1011
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:58,280
something to focus on. Though it's like hold the light straight,

1012
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:59,199
you know, like.

1013
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:09,039
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, hold steady woman. Not all the experiments were great.

1014
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:14,880
One patient, Lucy, nearly died from sepsis because Sims accidentally

1015
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:16,320
left a sponge in her m.

1016
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,519
Speaker 1: That happens. Yeah, when you don't have an assistant, like,

1017
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:22,880
you need a second pair of eyes, you need a buddy.

1018
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: Check this one. There were other doctors there. He just left.

1019
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: It was just negligence.

1020
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,079
Speaker 2: It was just nic Yeah.

1021
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, a sharp tool that would suck. But

1022
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,639
a sponge, it just kind of seems like it would

1023
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:34,000
be a beneficial thing to happen.

1024
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: For a time. I don't know if it's really And

1025
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,840
then you know, you ever left a you have to

1026
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,559
ever left a wet sponge in the sink and then

1027
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:44,320
left for the Weekendah, that's that. But it's in your body.

1028
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: I guess I kind of festers. Maybe some news they.

1029
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:48,159
Speaker 1: Do tend to fester.

1030
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: Real real uh, breeding ground for filthy things.

1031
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: That's warm, it's dirty, very.

1032
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: Useful though if you internally bleed a lot.

1033
00:50:58,199 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, you soon replacing it that you.

1034
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,760
Speaker 2: Do want to swap it out? Yeah, eventually it's.

1035
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:06,159
Speaker 1: Like a tampon. It's like you don't want TSSM from

1036
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:07,280
a dirty sponge.

1037
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: Right, that's what you got speaking from an experience.

1038
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: I've ever had it, but I have sure tested the limits.

1039
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:19,000
Good God, we'd be putting stuff in there all the time.

1040
00:51:19,199 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: I'd be the same way. I'd be such a lazy

1041
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,480
tampon changer, Like I'd be like I think I'd get

1042
00:51:24,519 --> 00:51:25,559
another couple of miles out of this.

1043
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:27,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, it's like a gas

1044
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,840
they cost money. You're just like, fuck, yeah, I could

1045
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:31,639
take it out, or I could I could go to

1046
00:51:31,639 --> 00:51:34,000
sleep and take it out in the morning. I could

1047
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,639
take when you're tired and.

1048
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't stop period, don't sleep.

1049
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 1: Listen, there's a couple of days that don't sleep. But

1050
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,719
then there's a couple of days where it's pretty snoozy.

1051
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: You know. Okay, you a roll of paper towels, you know,

1052
00:51:47,599 --> 00:51:49,320
kind of bunch it up, shove it up.

1053
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, then the next morning you just get in there

1054
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,760
with your fingers in the shower and just you know,

1055
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,880
you just clean up ladies, all three of us, anyone else.

1056
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 2: So a lot of people learning things they hope aren't

1057
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:01,960
true about their wives.

1058
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: They're like, women are disgusting and stop giving them microphone.

1059
00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 3: Our fraternity house, actually the septic tank exploded.

1060
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: Because of tampon's probably those of flushable wipes.

1061
00:52:11,639 --> 00:52:16,159
Speaker 3: No, it was one of our brother's girlfriends just kept

1062
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:19,599
flushing her tampons down the toilet, and yeah, it caused

1063
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:20,400
a shit river.

1064
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: It was only not one woman's tampon, so it was

1065
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:26,400
it was an entire generation of people's girlfriend's tampons.

1066
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,239
Speaker 2: Certainly. Yeah, there were tampons in there from the seventies. Yeah,

1067
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:29,719
for sure.

1068
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 1: Those did not disintegrate the same.

1069
00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: No, but she was very willing. They were just as

1070
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:37,360
best she disposed of them. So you saw them, I

1071
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,199
would all they were kind of just in the toilet.

1072
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 2: It's not good. Yeah, they would always clog the toilet.

1073
00:52:42,519 --> 00:52:45,119
Speaker 1: College girls are just as gross as college boys.

1074
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, probably gross, underrated.

1075
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:49,119
Speaker 1: Definitely grosser in some ways.

1076
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 3: They definitely didn't away with it.

1077
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: They definitely shower less, I'll say that.

1078
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, shower less.

1079
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: How much how many times are you shower?

1080
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,159
Speaker 1: I mean currently a lot more than I didn't call it.

1081
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 3: How many times did you shower a day in college?

1082
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:05,639
Speaker 1: Definitely not daily, definitely not daily.

1083
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 2: That's insane.

1084
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,079
Speaker 3: Even not even a shower twice a day. Well, good

1085
00:53:10,079 --> 00:53:11,400
for you morning and night.

1086
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: College girls they have faked tan, they have blowouts, they're hungover,

1087
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,679
they have class like. College girls are just like walk

1088
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,280
they're like a they're just like a cesspool of germs

1089
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:24,199
and chemicals.

1090
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're getting filled up.

1091
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: They're getting filled up, and they're using boys razors to

1092
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,119
trim their pubes at parties.

1093
00:53:31,199 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 2: That's normal.

1094
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: At what is this the first time you're hearing of this?

1095
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 2: Did you ever do this?

1096
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: I never did this, but I have been in the

1097
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:38,760
bathroom with girls.

1098
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,079
Speaker 2: That did this because they like knew they're going to

1099
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:40,639
hook up that night.

1100
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they didn't know they were going to hook

1101
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:43,239
up that night, and then they get to the party

1102
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,920
and they're like, actually things have changed. And you go

1103
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,679
to the bathroom in a gaggle as.

1104
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,679
Speaker 3: You do landscaping down and then you see.

1105
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: Especially if it's a good electric trimmer, because I guess

1106
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,440
girls don't have those back then, and yeah, they just

1107
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,239
go to town with a strange.

1108
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 3: Man, like my beard trimmer is just being yeah, to

1109
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:02,480
create a runway.

1110
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: I've seen tiktoks of men that get like some disgusting

1111
00:54:05,559 --> 00:54:07,880
face eating bacteria from I.

1112
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: Would be from that so annoyed. And it wasn't even to.

1113
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: Fuck me, yeah yeah, especially yeah.

1114
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,159
Speaker 2: Because it was to bang me. I'd be like, girl,

1115
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:22,159
whatever you need, yeah, sure, I'm here for you. Well

1116
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,159
please do that.

1117
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 3: Sounds like you're a selfish guy.

1118
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: But this is assuming women are asking for consent, which

1119
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,119
is they're definitely doing it without asking because it's like

1120
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:33,559
walking around like, oh I I showed up here this way.

1121
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're obviously not asking. No one would ever asked that.

1122
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,199
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, no, I never did it. I never did it.

1123
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:42,760
In fact, I did the opposite, just hooking up with

1124
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,679
the crazy pew of situation. Fair enough, because when they're blackout,

1125
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:46,199
who cares?

1126
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:47,559
Speaker 2: That wouldn't stop me.

1127
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: Didn't stop anyone.

1128
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, it never does. You might just not go down

1129
00:54:51,559 --> 00:54:54,199
on them. That would be the only in college.

1130
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: No one's going down on anyone. Well girls are girls

1131
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,039
aren't getting gone down on there for yourself? All right?

1132
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:05,719
We had another disappointment learning about it right now.

1133
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I guess people were using my razor I

1134
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:13,519
don't know, or or like a roommates racer. Yeah, it's

1135
00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:17,320
I'm just eating. I'm just getting like my buddy's beard hair.

1136
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, thankfully you can't grow any facial hair.

1137
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:21,119
Speaker 2: No, I get it's enough.

1138
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:24,159
Speaker 1: Still, it's enough for the electric, which is which is

1139
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:24,880
what's coveted.

1140
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, he hasn't shaved in four years.

1141
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: I wish that's slow, but.

1142
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,559
Speaker 1: It's definitely there's definitely some action. Just because it's not

1143
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:33,880
like yours doesn't mean it's invalid.

1144
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:39,159
Speaker 2: I can't grow beard, like fully cannot grow beard. I

1145
00:55:39,159 --> 00:55:40,920
thought it would come one day and it never did.

1146
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,639
Speaker 3: Mine kind came on late. I never really tested it

1147
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:45,679
until I was like twenty five.

1148
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:48,320
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I mean when you were a t FM,

1149
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,400
you had a full fucking five o'clock shadow, like every day,

1150
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,360
even you were clean shaven, so it was going. It

1151
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,639
was bucking by that thing, like.

1152
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:56,159
Speaker 1: With a razor and shaving.

1153
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:59,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, for some reason, that was a mistake, like in.

1154
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:02,159
Speaker 1: The military kind of that's crazy at TFM.

1155
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,039
Speaker 2: No, less, well.

1156
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 3: Beards weren't frat.

1157
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,519
Speaker 2: They were were not at that time.

1158
00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 3: Sam with sleeve tats not frat.

1159
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: Not for it. Still, and look how far he's come.

1160
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 2: Now. Look, history is complicated, and Sims deserves to get

1161
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:27,320
shipped on for experimenting on women who could not consent.

1162
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: To tear down that statue.

1163
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:33,159
Speaker 2: However, I will give Sims a little credit. The mystery

1164
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:38,079
is complicated. In eighteen seventy one, Sims went to New

1165
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:42,239
York and resumed working at a woman's hospital, where he

1166
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,880
provided surgical treatment for women with cancer.

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00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,599
Speaker 1: Sounds totally, that sounds very generous.

1168
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: Sounds uncontroversial, right, sure, Yeah, it was very controversial actually

1169
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,760
because At the time, cancer was considered to be a

1170
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,960
disease that poor people and perverts goot.

1171
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 3: Perverts of course always get cancer.

1172
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 2: It was sexually transmitted gods. Yeah, and uh like, oh

1173
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,119
she has breast cancer? Who was sucking on her titties? Everybody?

1174
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: Everybody? Yeah, that horror was asking for it.

1175
00:57:14,039 --> 00:57:15,599
Speaker 2: Yep, and she's poor.

1176
00:57:16,199 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: Um.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of like how you drink out of a

1179
00:57:19,039 --> 00:57:22,199
milk carton, you know, you crumple it up and there's

1180
00:57:22,239 --> 00:57:24,760
gonna be some lumps that are weird in it. That

1181
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,679
kind of checks out logically, I'm thinking with eighteen.

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to Sim's treating women with cancer, the Ladies board of

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00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:56,360
the women's hospital, Oh what do those biddies do argued

1226
00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:59,440
that they should not be treating because a full women's hospital,

1227
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:04,199
not just cancer, should not be treating cancer patients. They're dirty,

1228
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:11,119
poor horse, and the hospital prohibited cancer patients from coming.

1229
01:00:11,559 --> 01:00:13,440
At a meeting of the hospital's board of governor In

1230
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:16,519
eighteen seventy four, Sim gave a SIMS gave us a

1231
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:20,159
hard speech, being like fuck you. This is insane. We

1232
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:23,639
should be treating these women at the earliest stages if possible.

1233
01:00:24,199 --> 01:00:29,760
And after arguing with the board, he was let go.

1234
01:00:30,199 --> 01:00:31,280
He was fucking fired.

1235
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: He just took his he just took his hippocratico very seriously.

1236
01:00:36,119 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 2: And then he went on to establish America's first cancer institute,

1237
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:42,039
the New York Cancer Hospital.

1238
01:00:42,159 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: Wow. Good for him. Glad he didn't let those bitches

1239
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:46,400
give him down.

1240
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,079
Speaker 3: Exactly good those come out of terrible situations.

1241
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: I think how many.

1242
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:53,679
Speaker 3: Medical advancements did we get from the Nazis.

1243
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: Not a lot, Yeah, like what happens to yso adult,

1244
01:00:56,239 --> 01:00:58,880
but I gotta think at least one. I don't. I

1245
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,719
think we only found out what wasn't possible. Like, oh yeah,

1246
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:03,960
it looks like if you saw a jew to annother's jew,

1247
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,639
you do not get one jew. You just got two

1248
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:09,880
dead Jews. So we know that now. Okay, now I'm

1249
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,559
going to sow this bird to a jew. Okay, the

1250
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:14,559
jew does not fly, and the bird and jew are dead,

1251
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:17,320
so that does not fuck either. They don't. They weren't

1252
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:18,079
really figuring.

1253
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:19,239
Speaker 1: Out they were process of eliminating.

1254
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't really figuring out good things, just stuff

1255
01:01:21,599 --> 01:01:23,800
that seemed like they were better engineers.

1256
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 3: Okay, we went to the Moon because of them, but

1257
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,920
not Yeah again, I don't know any medical advancements that

1258
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:29,360
came from.

1259
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,559
Speaker 2: The I actually disagree that they were better engineers. They

1260
01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,840
were vain, they were bad. It's like a bad rider

1261
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,920
who can't edit themselves, you know what I mean.

1262
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,199
Speaker 3: They were better, they just didn't have enough.

1263
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: You know, they're just gratuitous. They were self serving because.

1264
01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 2: The Tiger tank, this is the best example. The Tiger

1265
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:51,760
tank was like this perfect tank, like unbeatable and like

1266
01:01:52,039 --> 01:01:54,760
just like awesome. But the problem was it was crazy

1267
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,800
complicated and if it broke down, it took a long

1268
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,719
time to repair, and there weren't a lot of them

1269
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:01,880
because they were so complicated, even though it was like

1270
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,639
a perfect tank. Meanwhile, the Americans made the Sherman Soup

1271
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,519
like like comically easy to repair to the point where

1272
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,320
it would only take an hour and they're right back

1273
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,079
in battle unless it was like literally blown up. And

1274
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,679
we made like one hundred times more of them because

1275
01:02:17,679 --> 01:02:18,360
they were super.

1276
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 1: Simple, like one closed system instead of a lot of

1277
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:22,079
open systems.

1278
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:25,679
Speaker 2: That all just sounds like they're perfectionists exactly, and that's

1279
01:02:25,719 --> 01:02:27,679
why they lost the war. Well, one of many reasons

1280
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:29,440
they lost the war, but that is a reason they

1281
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:34,920
lost the war. Yeah, we keep it simple. Americans would

1282
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,119
just like just keep firing these ship by the Sherman

1283
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:39,559
tank was just like the American car, Like, look, we

1284
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:41,000
don't need to make a good one. We just need

1285
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:44,159
to just fucking make them, just make them perfect. Is

1286
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:46,000
the enemy of good goddamn right.

1287
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,079
Speaker 3: I don't know, but like the best car out there

1288
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:53,920
right now is probably Asian Toyota. Yeah, yeah, no, Toyota

1289
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:54,719
makes great cars.

1290
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: The Japanese low key take the Japanese had good shit too,

1291
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:00,440
but they don't.

1292
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 3: Break down like they're you know, they're good.

1293
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: They're good cars.

1294
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't need to change the oil. He really does.

1295
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:07,880
It's like Gabby's samp on.

1296
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: It never needs to Yeah, just leave it there for

1297
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,559
a lot long it'll you'll be fine. You'll get there.

1298
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: Vagina is a Toyota self cleaning.

1299
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:21,239
Speaker 3: Fuel injected now gets here from point A to point B.

1300
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: She's not flashy, but she's reliable.

1301
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:28,039
Speaker 2: So they're gonna hate it.

1302
01:03:28,119 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 1: They're gonna this episode.

1303
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,719
Speaker 3: Just fifty five in the right lane.

1304
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,039
Speaker 1: Baby, yep, smoking but still working.

1305
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,480
Speaker 2: Fuel fishing never gonna stop running, get a lighted on

1306
01:03:38,519 --> 01:03:39,199
fire two.

1307
01:03:39,119 --> 01:03:40,559
Speaker 1: Hundred thousand miles in counting.

1308
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 2: No Fishill is on that one.

1309
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 3: Listen, guys, it's the rules. If a woman is trying

1310
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:48,159
to do comedy, she must talk about.

1311
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: Her gott to talk about her puss. So what's the

1312
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:52,800
Deals episode? It's his episode.

1313
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, he forced it on you, honestly I did. I did. Now,

1314
01:03:57,639 --> 01:03:59,800
it's like, make Gabby his hack as possible.

1315
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:00,559
Speaker 1: Here we go.

1316
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:02,599
Speaker 2: Just do you give me, give me your best type

1317
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:03,880
five on a on your pussy.

1318
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:05,719
Speaker 1: Therein't nothing tight about it.

1319
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:12,079
Speaker 3: That was a fucking alley baby. Hey, she threw it down.

1320
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 2: Now, I said at the beginning of the episode, if

1321
01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,360
those mice deserved a statue, these women probably do, I know.

1322
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,480
And in September of twenty twenty one, they got a

1323
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:27,679
Mother's of Gynecology monument in Montgomery, Alabama that you can

1324
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:31,519
visit to this day. So if you ever in Montgomery,

1325
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,559
check out this, this monument to these women and Narca

1326
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:37,639
and the other or Anaki should say, it's a real name.

1327
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 1: Oh look at that. This is a nice looking statuette,

1328
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:47,719
a series of statues. Oh nice, yep, life size.

1329
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:49,639
Speaker 2: When did that go up twenty twenty one.

1330
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:50,559
Speaker 1: Kind of steampunk.

1331
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:54,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems skinish. Yeah, seems like something they would

1332
01:04:54,119 --> 01:04:57,199
put up in a post pandemic world.

1333
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's deserved. Although I think Sims should probably

1334
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:03,280
get a statue as well.

1335
01:05:03,239 --> 01:05:05,079
Speaker 1: More so likely I don't love the style.

1336
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 2: We must build a Sims statue to Taranty, more so

1337
01:05:08,119 --> 01:05:11,840
for the cancer part than the other stuff. But he

1338
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,960
did make the first cancer hospital of the United States.

1339
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:17,199
Speaker 3: He's gotta cut his teeth somehow. What he cut his teeth?

1340
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did help a lot of women, just

1341
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,760
not in a very ethical way. Although I don't think

1342
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:26,519
he was a bad hearted person, Like I really don't.

1343
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: His intentions were good.

1344
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not great, Like the situation is not great.

1345
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,880
But I don't think you can like ascribe malice to him.

1346
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,239
Speaker 1: No, he really just wanted to help.

1347
01:05:36,519 --> 01:05:39,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he did help. He did eventually, it just

1348
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,800
wasn't in the best possible way.

1349
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:47,079
Speaker 1: He's not the first man to a wine via a

1350
01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:53,039
long line of women's bodies littered behind them. Listen, to

1351
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:54,880
make an omelet, you got to break a few eggs,

1352
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,400
and sometimes his eggs are inside of living women's body.

1353
01:05:59,159 --> 01:06:02,079
Speaker 2: Uh, that's all I can out for today on the

1354
01:06:02,079 --> 01:06:07,960
Mother of Gynecology annaka Jackson, what'd you guys learn today?

1355
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:12,239
Speaker 1: All of it so much? I didn't even know about this,

1356
01:06:12,239 --> 01:06:15,199
this shit discharge.

1357
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 2: The most interesting thing to me was that it was

1358
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:21,679
a very common and b if it happened to you,

1359
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:25,000
you just lived in the shadows for the rest of

1360
01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:25,519
your life.

1361
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and go to the island and misfit toys, rightfully, so.

1362
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:32,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe if it happened to you and you're rich,

1363
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,320
like you just live in a wing of the house

1364
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:35,480
that no one visits ever.

1365
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:37,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like, do you even get to be a mom?

1366
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,079
Like do you like do they take your baby away

1367
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,079
and give it to a woman that's unruined?

1368
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:46,119
Speaker 2: Do not know? I assume that the baby survives, Like.

1369
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:48,119
Speaker 3: You don't want Oh that's gross.

1370
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:50,639
Speaker 1: You don't want to be splooging shit discharge around your

1371
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:51,480
your children?

1372
01:06:51,559 --> 01:06:54,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean eventually the kids, you know. I assume

1373
01:06:54,599 --> 01:06:57,199
she was allowed to like breastfeed it maybe sometimes.

1374
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,199
Speaker 1: But yeah, but then you know, how many of them

1375
01:06:59,239 --> 01:07:00,280
even make it to age five?

1376
01:07:00,519 --> 01:07:00,679
Speaker 2: Right?

1377
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:01,559
Speaker 1: Not many?

1378
01:07:01,679 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 3: You become a pump at that point you drop.

1379
01:07:03,679 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: The baby in the poop, it dies immediately.

1380
01:07:06,719 --> 01:07:07,440
Speaker 1: Not great.

1381
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:11,400
Speaker 2: Uh who's today's hitler? Mmmm?

1382
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: The fucking New York Society bitches who didn't want to

1383
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,280
treat people with cancer because they thought they were sluts.

1384
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:19,639
Speaker 2: Wild.

1385
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: Actually, those those ladies always have something up their ass.

1386
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:25,679
They just always had a reason to take away from

1387
01:07:25,719 --> 01:07:26,239
other people.

1388
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, specific it was, by the way, it was women, like,

1389
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:32,679
it was women that did that. The ladies board for

1390
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:37,519
the hospital specifically was like, oh like literal, literal.

1391
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: After that, it was the temperance they did that shit too.

1392
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:43,039
They fucking they just love to take shit away from

1393
01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:44,079
people having a good time.

1394
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,719
Speaker 3: I want to say the literal Nazis we talked about,

1395
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:51,559
because I don't again, I can't think of one memorable

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you know, medical advancement they made.

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Speaker 1: Ooh, how original today's hitler is the Nazis.

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Speaker 2: I think my hitler for today is the one slave

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owner was like, you can't, no, you can't poop.

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Speaker 1: I don't want her to get that surgery.

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Speaker 2: I want to get better sims.

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Speaker 1: I locked the smell that comes out of it.

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Speaker 2: Sim's just like, oh my god, I'll buy it. Or

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also probably the white guy who raped Anna K. Jackson

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would be.

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Speaker 1: At thirteen, yeah, or twelve up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But also my hitler is the Nazis because of results,

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they didn't get any.

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Speaker 1: They didn't get any. If you're gonna do all that,

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you might as well have something, Yeah, something concrete.

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Speaker 2: Look, if you can't justify, if the means aren't justified,

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at least have the ends, which.

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Speaker 3: This guy had.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he got that.

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Speaker 3: This guy got the end.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he fully got there.

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Speaker 2: He got it over the goal, he got a lot

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of He had a lot of w but he actually did.

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Like Sims was a talent. Like I said, Sims was

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a talented doctor.

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Speaker 1: He took a hippocritical very seriously.

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Speaker 3: He got it because he dealt with a lot of ends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know.

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Speaker 1: All the ends, Yeah, I think they do no harm

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part he cared a little bit less about.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah. But although how much harm reduction was even

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possible in the eighteen forties.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think just living it's pretty hard to

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have harm reduced. The longer you live, you're gonna you're

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gonna endure some harm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say, so you don't make it.

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Speaker 1: To thirty without significant harm.

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Speaker 2: Significant harm. Well that's all I got for today. Good ship, Gabby,

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me a great studio.

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Speaker 2: I love it isn't the couch and upgrade.

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Speaker 1: I feel like the couch is an upgrade. I love

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how similar the frame.

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Speaker 2: Looks to Dan's a talented guy.

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Speaker 1: It looks great, Dan, You're doing great. Now you're just well.

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Whoever did it? You should give him a raise?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, give them more of your money.

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Speaker 1: Give these guys more of your money. Subscribe to sash Choristry.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Rob, is that you give me a permission to

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take two thirds of the Patreon Now I heard that too.

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Speaker 1: No, but you are allowed to go and steal food

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directly out of the mouths of his children.

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Speaker 2: I will if you want to come over and eat

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whenever you're more than welcome.

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Speaker 3: I get a plate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I show up to your house because you know

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who doesn't eat the food? I me and Corty cook.

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You're children.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so those kids are crazy.

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Speaker 3: Goddamn only Dinah nugs with Rory.

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Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, you do have to do you have

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to sit at the child's table.

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Speaker 3: That's fine.

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Speaker 1: He's lost enough weight now that he can. Now we're

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on a cut, he.

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Speaker 3: Can sit at the k Bring gifts for your children

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of bionicles and street Sharks.

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Speaker 2: God damn it.

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Speaker 1: Well invitation throwing stars, bring some sharp stuff, to bring

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some sharp stuff and some fire stone.

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Speaker 2: I really mess around with throwing stars.

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, maybe maybe some vintage karate, may maybe

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some zippos or something, even though.

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Speaker 2: I am Daniel's song. Yeah, I'm sure they'd love fire

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of course they would. Yeah, Soun's right. Well that's all

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I got for today. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Patreon dot com slash Softcore History two additional episodes every

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week Wednesday and Friday. We've had nothing but bangers recently

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killing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,359
Speaker 3: Last Friday we did an episode on an assassination where

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a man in Switzerland got marked with an axe by

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a bear.

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Speaker 2: Check it out by Yeah man dressed like a bear.

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Speaker 3: No, not just a bear. Okay, no reason to ruin it, rob,

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you piece of shit.

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Speaker 2: Sorry sorry. Also, on the twenty dollars tier Dan and

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I are giving college football picks extra extra content.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing other stuff. So it's just really as

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a thank you to everybody that's up there up there conscriptions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, but if you want to up up

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well that thank you extent.

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Speaker 3: Because there are a lot of people did it out of

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the goodness of their hearts.

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Speaker 1: It's been so cute to see how great the community

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01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,319
is showing up for y'all. Like I'm excited for this

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01:11:40,359 --> 01:11:43,600
new chapter. I feel like your fans and your now

1495
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:44,840
excited for this new chapter.

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Speaker 3: We need to get that community up.

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Speaker 2: So let's build up that community of softies. Tell a

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01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:51,760
friend about the show. Share the show with a friend.

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I think, what the show?

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Speaker 1: Share your favorite episode? I think, don't just send the

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01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,920
show page, because you got to give them somewhere to start.

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Speaker 2: One thing, one thing I want to do, don't don't

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01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:03,279
start to beginning, start the beginning. No one thing I

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01:12:03,279 --> 01:12:04,960
want to do that I will actually do for the

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twenty dollars years. I'll play you in Napoleon Total War

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in battles.

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Speaker 3: Don't make promises you can't keep.

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01:12:11,319 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: I can because it's all my laptop right now. I

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01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:14,760
can play it right now. It's an easy it's an

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01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:16,680
easy thing to do. We will record it and I

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01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,880
will fucking fight you in Napoleon Total War. Will work

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out the deats on that, but I I will do

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it one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Hit them up in the discord. There's a discord. It's

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01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,239
a very active discord.

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01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 3: Very active discord. If you're a patron member.

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01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:31,359
Speaker 2: So let's again, let's built up this community. It's a

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01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,399
because the job, the job markets.

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Speaker 1: Graham, guys, it's going to be great. It's great.

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Speaker 3: It's not good. So I want to just continue doing

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01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:42,680
this to make money. Yeah, let's do that. You want

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01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:43,720
to own that seems.

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01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: Like hell yeah, And y'all deserve it. You guys work hard,

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01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,840
you guys. You guys put out a lot of content

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01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:50,079
very consistently for a very long time. And that's a

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01:12:50,119 --> 01:12:52,960
lot more than most content creators can say, a lot

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more than most male podcasts host do.

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Speaker 3: And we don't just show up and fart into a

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01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:57,760
microphone and say.

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Speaker 1: Math that you now, there is research. All right, listen

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01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:03,760
the pots. The episode theme was vaginas.

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Speaker 3: Wait to force a Gabby.

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Speaker 1: That's me See, like I said, your listeners are gonna

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love this one.

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Speaker 2: For the tampont alone, all right, Well for Dan Regester

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and Gabby montemayor I am Rob Fox. You just gotta

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saucer