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Speaker 3: Hi again everyone, It's Brian Howie. Welcome to The Great
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Speaker 3: Deep, jungle, humid, Jurassic Park disgusting, but you know, brighter
Speaker 3: days ahead, I suppose. Thank you for all the feedback,
Speaker 3: the people who gave me the the feedback on the
Speaker 3: show we did in London, which I really enjoyed doing.
Speaker 3: I know I'm gonna talk about that for a long time,
Speaker 3: how much I like London. But I'm back in Boca,
Speaker 3: which most of the year is very very nice now.
Speaker 3: As I always say, two things on this show. One
Speaker 3: is we are always trying to sell hope, and we've
Speaker 3: done a lot of podcasts.
Speaker 1: In the last year that were a little less than hopeful.
Speaker 3: We did some divorce stuff, we did some breakup stuff,
Speaker 3: we did some the world is hard stuff or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I wanted to do something that I think is
Speaker 3: a little more hopeful today. I'm bringing my guest in
Speaker 3: a second. My longtime producer of this show, the two
Speaker 3: time Emery Award winning Kiko, used to always say to me,
Speaker 3: everybody thinks they can do my job. And I was
Speaker 3: always like, yeah, people say that to me too.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: There was a point where when we were on the
Speaker 3: Great Love to Bay tour about the second year in
Speaker 3: we were trying to find different people to host the
Speaker 3: show and have this going on all over the place
Speaker 3: in the country at the same time, because it was
Speaker 3: really hard on me to get to every city and
Speaker 3: host it. And so we actually spent a summer sort
Speaker 3: of in Chicago auditioning people to do what I do,
Speaker 3: and we couldn't find them, and I wanted to find them,
Speaker 3: and my manager at the time said, Okay, it's no
Speaker 3: longer the Great Love Debate, It's now the Great Love
Speaker 3: Debate with Brian Howie. And I was like, good fuck,
Speaker 3: Now I have to do it the whole time. You know,
Speaker 3: you kind of have to really be curious about this stuff,
Speaker 3: and you really kind of have to want to have
Speaker 3: these conversations.
Speaker 1: So why I bring that up?
Speaker 3: Everybody can do my job, which she said, and she's
Speaker 3: a big time reality television producer. Is that my guest
Speaker 3: here is currently has a job that I think is
Speaker 3: one of the most challenging jobs that you could possibly
Speaker 3: have because the risk reward on it so much can
Speaker 3: go wrong, and if it goes right, it's almost like
Speaker 3: there's disaster or relief.
Speaker 1: There's a very view. And I say that a lot.
Speaker 1: When I used to do live theater, people used to be.
Speaker 3: Like, oh my god, are you so excited it's opening night.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, it's disaster or relief. You sort of
Speaker 3: get through it anyway. She is the host of the
Speaker 3: Wedding Buzz podcast, which you should check out. She has
Speaker 3: a lot to think of things to say about sort
Speaker 3: of the philosophy about what we're trying to do on
Speaker 3: our wedding day and beyond, especially from the bride's point
Speaker 3: of view. She's a fairly recent bride herself. I believe
Speaker 3: Sidney Whitten, how are you.
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm good, Thank you for having me on.
Speaker 3: Everybody always thinks that, oh my god, I could plan weddings.
Speaker 1: No you couldn't.
Speaker 3: It's the most important day of or at least in
Speaker 3: the conversation for the most important day of at least one,
Speaker 3: maybe both of their lives. It's such a high wire act,
Speaker 3: filled with stress, filled with visions that are hard to
Speaker 3: pull off, filled with your trying to capture a feeling
Speaker 3: that is tough for her to even eloquently enunciate, you
Speaker 3: to plan it out. What made you even want to
Speaker 3: get into.
Speaker 1: A racket like this?
Speaker 2: You know? I kind of fell into it. I was
Speaker 2: at Einstein Bigel's freshman year of college, sitting with my
Speaker 2: friend who was engaged, and we were talking about her
Speaker 2: wedding and she was in that like, oh, we could
Speaker 2: do this, and I could do that, and like all
Speaker 2: this stuff, and I was asking questions, well, how is
Speaker 2: this going to happen? And how is this going to happen?
Speaker 2: And she looked at me and was like, you should
Speaker 2: be a wedding planner. And at eighteen, I didn't even
Speaker 2: know that that was a career people had, And so
Speaker 2: I looked into it and realized that at my college
Speaker 2: the hospitality program had an event management concentration. And I
Speaker 2: got a job with a wedding planner and switch my
Speaker 2: major and just kind of dove into it. So I
Speaker 2: kind of she was like, you should do this, and
Speaker 2: then I realized, well, maybe.
Speaker 3: I really should do And so your impression of what
Speaker 3: that was versus the reality of what it is, what
Speaker 3: is the what is the difference? If there's anything A
Speaker 3: lot of people think it's like, oh, I could pick
Speaker 3: flowers and collars and patterns, and it's.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is that? Like I remember, like
Speaker 2: the first wedding, I was like, oh, like this is
Speaker 2: a production.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, you're a producer. Yeah, that's exactly what you are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like now I'm a bit older, I have
Speaker 2: been married, a lot of my friends have been married.
Speaker 2: I've been a bride, and I've been on every weddings,
Speaker 2: so I understand it. But back then I it was
Speaker 2: I remember the first wedding, I was just like whoa,
Speaker 2: Like it's a production, but I also loved it. I
Speaker 2: didn't have a concrete thing of what I wanted to
Speaker 2: do when I grow up. I am a girly girl.
Speaker 2: I love glitz, glamor or whatever. I also at the time,
Speaker 2: like I played guitar and I sing, and so I
Speaker 2: was like, I want to be Taylor Swift, but that
Speaker 2: was not going to happen. So I saw these weddings
Speaker 2: as like, but I also love business, and so you're like, well.
Speaker 1: I could be the music at your wedding.
Speaker 2: Maybe not the music, but you know, it's a whole production.
Speaker 2: But I also fell in love with it. At the
Speaker 2: same time, I was like, whoa, I can you know,
Speaker 2: bring my business skills and like my organization and logistics
Speaker 2: into something that is girly and fun and pretty.
Speaker 1: You are every wedding I think you.
Speaker 3: From a wedding planner's perspective is you have to solve
Speaker 3: a puzzle. And this puzzle involves their personality. It involves
Speaker 3: a lot of moving parts in terms of friends and
Speaker 3: family and what you're doing.
Speaker 1: It has a lot of to do with venue and.
Speaker 3: Certainly cost making people's dreams happen when no matter how
Speaker 3: wealthy you are, there's budget limitations and you have to
Speaker 3: break the news to them like you.
Speaker 1: We probably can't, this is what that will cost.
Speaker 3: And then there's you don't want to disappoint them because
Speaker 3: you're trying to give them the feeling of the dream.
Speaker 3: That has to be something that's challenging to learn, no
Speaker 3: matter how long you've been doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is, it is, and and you know, the
Speaker 2: budget is never a fun conversation, especially these days. We
Speaker 2: live in such a com at what's the word comparative
Speaker 2: that's not a word, but anyway, like everyone compares, is
Speaker 2: it word? A comparative culture where you're seeing these weddings
Speaker 2: on social media and everyone thinks like I can have that,
Speaker 2: And it's a harsh reality of what you think online
Speaker 2: looks like a forty thousand dollars wedding is truly over
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars and beyond, like, yeah, what people
Speaker 2: might think is like an average wedding is so much
Speaker 2: more expensive than people think. And it is tough because
Speaker 2: you don't want to break the bank on a wedding.
Speaker 2: It's just one day. It's one big party. You don't
Speaker 2: want to go into debt and stuff over it. But
Speaker 2: on the flip side, it's your one wedding day. So
Speaker 2: finding that balance is.
Speaker 3: A little tricky and a lot of times not stereotype,
Speaker 3: but that's what we do here at the Great Love Debate.
Speaker 3: This is the most important day for the bride. A
Speaker 3: lot of time, this is the destination. The man are
Speaker 3: kind of like, okay, I want to start the marriage,
Speaker 3: but a lot of times she has dreamt of this day. Yes,
Speaker 3: since she was a young girl. Her wedding day is
Speaker 3: her day, and I respect that totally and to not
Speaker 3: have that day in the way you want it, That's
Speaker 3: what was one of the challenges with COVID for a
Speaker 3: couple of years, Like people are like, we're engaged, our
Speaker 3: wedding's canceled, do we have asset?
Speaker 1: Do we put people in masks? Do we not do it?
Speaker 1: Do we wait two years?
Speaker 3: Like that had to be really challenging and blow up
Speaker 3: a lot of dreams I think for people, right, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it is challenging and there's not a perfect like
Speaker 2: kind of like what you were saying with theater. I mean,
Speaker 2: like I said, I play guitar, so I've done like
Speaker 2: shows and it's it's kind of a make or break.
Speaker 2: It's either gonna happen great or not. And if it
Speaker 2: doesn't go well, it just didn't. That performance didn't go well.
Speaker 3: And your job is to try and think of one
Speaker 3: hundred possible things that could go wrong, yes, and if
Speaker 3: you're lucky, you get ninety percent of them right, and
Speaker 3: you get just get some luck. It's preparation and luck,
Speaker 3: hoping it makes it up and a lot of things
Speaker 3: can happen. I said on this podcast a few months
Speaker 3: ago about how my cousin was just hungover from the
Speaker 3: rehearsal dinner the night forty you just fainted on the
Speaker 3: altar like that, but just put a damper on things.
Speaker 3: And I remember the wedding planners there had to leap
Speaker 3: into action with some quick music and some entertainment, Like
Speaker 3: you have to be prepared for this happened. You have
Speaker 3: to be prepared for the flowers weren't exactly what she wanted.
Speaker 1: You have to be prepared for too many people, too
Speaker 1: few people cancel.
Speaker 3: All these kind of things can go wrong, and you're
Speaker 3: in the eye of the blame. They're entrusting you with
Speaker 3: their dream and their money, and you got.
Speaker 1: To hit that bull's eye.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker 1: I'm stressing you out talking about like I'm going to
Speaker 1: go back into some other job. Yeah I quit.
Speaker 2: No, you're right, you're right, And I think that it
Speaker 2: is just our job to think of all these things,
Speaker 2: and you know there is no perfect but there are
Speaker 2: things that you can do to prepare yourself well. For example,
Speaker 2: like the timeline. I overestimate everything. I like an hour
Speaker 2: and a half cocktail hour. You know, give people food,
Speaker 2: they're okay for an hour and a half. They don't
Speaker 2: realize as long as they have food and drinks, they
Speaker 2: won't realize that it's an hour and a half instead
Speaker 2: of an hour. But that gives you some wiggle room.
Speaker 2: It gives you some time, you know, like overestimate how
Speaker 2: long things are going to take. Of course, not too long,
Speaker 2: because you don't want the day to drag, but by
Speaker 2: giving yourself that little wiggle room when something pops up
Speaker 2: an uh oh, it's you know what, we have ten
Speaker 2: minutes in the schedule, so we're okay, We're okay, let's
Speaker 2: figure it out because we have this time. I always
Speaker 2: like packing, like the way that I suggest people pack
Speaker 2: pack things for every event kind of separately, so that
Speaker 2: you have your little like emergency kits right ready to go.
Speaker 2: So it's of course there's always gonna there might be
Speaker 2: an uh oh or something, but at least it's not
Speaker 2: like uh oh, and we have no no supplies, no backup.
Speaker 2: Planet's hey, we have this kit, let me go grab it.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be okay.
Speaker 3: What is the proper amount of time you bring up
Speaker 3: timelines from the time somebody meets with you, are most
Speaker 3: of them like we're getting married in nine months or
Speaker 3: is it two months?
Speaker 1: Or is it all over the boards that two years?
Speaker 3: What this is is that venue specific sometimes like we
Speaker 3: want to get married here, and it's like good luck.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's something that I I think it's
Speaker 2: funny that I can't put a number on it because
Speaker 2: it's so different. I think it depends on kind of
Speaker 2: the budget of the wedding. Smaller budgets a lot of
Speaker 2: the time are more quick, casual, let's just get it
Speaker 2: done and Okay, we can whip this together in three
Speaker 2: four months. Bigger budgets often are aligned with brides who
Speaker 2: want things to be a certain way, and that takes time,
Speaker 2: so it really vvery It's funny. I did a wedding
Speaker 2: exbo a couple weeks ago, and I ask every bride
Speaker 2: that comes, when is your wedding and when did you
Speaker 2: get engaged? What's your timeline here? And it just I
Speaker 2: get everything from like, my wedding is in October, can
Speaker 2: you help us out to my wedding is October of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, a lot of people are waiting on the
Speaker 3: perfect venue there's a lot of really fantastic venues in
Speaker 3: this part of the world. But then you're dealing with
Speaker 3: weather at certain times of the year. You know you
Speaker 3: can go get you know, try and book the breakers
Speaker 3: up in Palm Beach or Addison here in book of
Speaker 3: Ratone or the Bulk or Retone Resort or something like that.
Speaker 3: You got to hit the right day and the right
Speaker 3: time and all that.
Speaker 1: The biggest uh. I don't think negotiation is the word,
Speaker 1: but maybe is the food?
Speaker 3: Is the DJ versus band?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 3: What is the thing that that is the biggest part
Speaker 3: of negotiation?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: What are we serving? Cocktail hour? Location?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 2: It's funny because it depends on are you talking to
Speaker 2: the bride? Are you talking to the groom?
Speaker 3: I think I'm talking to the bride. Maybe I'm talking
Speaker 3: to the father of the bride.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can tell you father of the bride and groom
Speaker 2: usually care about food and bar, and the bride often
Speaker 2: cares about the pretty of what are the flowers?
Speaker 1: Flowers?
Speaker 2: What's this gonna look like?
Speaker 1: The aesthetic father is usually budget.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're being super stereotypical.
Speaker 1: That's what we do here. Well, I'm gonna be even
Speaker 1: more stereotypical.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how many guys are upset about
Speaker 3: fall weddings because it falls on college football Saturdays.
Speaker 1: Which is a really big deal to a lot of people,
Speaker 1: especially in this part of the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. I mean ye that my husband is
Speaker 2: one of those guys that would be devastated if we
Speaker 2: had to go to a.
Speaker 1: Wedding and then they're watching on their phone or they're
Speaker 1: in the bar on the TV.
Speaker 3: It's like go Buck guys or whatever their team is
Speaker 3: and it and the bride is like, this is my
Speaker 3: day day.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The one thing that like I kind of suggest
Speaker 2: to people is like, if your spouse isn't super into
Speaker 2: the planning, don't make them be you know, include them
Speaker 2: in some things and like ask them like, hey, this
Speaker 2: means a lot to me, please participate. But like if
Speaker 2: they're just if it's just not their thing and they're
Speaker 2: saying you like you know, honey, like.
Speaker 3: You pick right then, And there's a fine line between
Speaker 3: showing support and showing indifference. Yes, and you have to
Speaker 3: be like, what, I support everything you want, run anything
Speaker 3: by me. I'll give you my ideas if you want them.
Speaker 3: But I want you to have the freedom to create
Speaker 3: the day that you want to day, and that's it.
Speaker 3: I think that's reasonable. A lot of guys aren't very
Speaker 3: good at having that conversation, no.
Speaker 2: And I agree. There are some guys that are probably
Speaker 2: not very nice about it. And then there are some
Speaker 2: brides that are probably like way overboard of wanting him
Speaker 2: to be as excited. And I think just because he's
Speaker 2: not as excited about the flowers doesn't mean that he's
Speaker 2: not excited to marry.
Speaker 3: You, right, Because like I said earlier, he's like, let's
Speaker 3: get to the honeymoon.
Speaker 2: My husband wanted to get married at bass Pro shops
Speaker 2: and so it's like, I love shops and he was serious.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a great place under the bear. So
Speaker 2: the one in Island Marata in the Keys, yeah, actually
Speaker 2: has like a little beach front and they do weddings
Speaker 2: and it is pretty. It is pretty. No hate on
Speaker 2: bass Pro, but that was not my vision for the day, right.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, it's like I could have kept
Speaker 2: asking him like, what do you think, what do you think?
Speaker 2: He honestly, that's what he wanted, and he wanted to
Speaker 2: walk down the aisle to the James Bond theme song,
Speaker 2: and so like I I couldn't keep asking him what
Speaker 2: he wanted because that's what he wanted and it was
Speaker 2: not gonna happen. So but he also at the same
Speaker 2: time was like, it's okay, babe, just you you pick
Speaker 2: what you want.
Speaker 3: Right how Again another stereotype, generally speaking, does the father
Speaker 3: of the bride write the check?
Speaker 2: Often? Yes? Often? Yeah, often, yes, of course, there's so
Speaker 2: many other situations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's tough when two young people are trying to
Speaker 3: pay for their own wedding. That is a hard thing too,
Speaker 3: because they want to give it and you don't want
Speaker 3: to just have a bullet chips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of want to.
Speaker 2: There's always people who unfortunately don't have a good relationship
Speaker 2: with their father, or some people if they're later in life,
Speaker 2: they might be more successful than their parents are, and
Speaker 2: so they end up paying for their own wedding. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true, like asking their parents.
Speaker 3: My dad, who had a fair amount of money, my
Speaker 3: sister who had a giant, ridiculous wedding. My dad drew
Speaker 3: the line at the champagne toast. He's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: paying for people to take one sip and put it
Speaker 3: down and that is like fifteen grand worth of champagne
Speaker 3: or whatever. He is no, and she freaked out. They
Speaker 3: had a huge fight about it. He's like, they can
Speaker 3: have the one, they could take a sip of whatever.
Speaker 3: Their beverage is not paying for it. And I thought,
Speaker 3: like drawn a line there. Yeah, it's four hunder people
Speaker 3: at his wedding. That's where he's like, I'm not paying
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 2: Maybe champagne. No that I mean, honestly, when we're talking budget,
Speaker 2: that is a common thing of like if you can go,
Speaker 2: if you're okay with not having the champagne toast, like
Speaker 2: just do a toast with whatever drink they had right,
Speaker 2: so much champagne gets dumped at the end of it.
Speaker 1: It does.
Speaker 3: I agree, all right, well, we have to pay for
Speaker 3: things like champagne toasts around here. So I'm here with
Speaker 3: Sydney Whitten. She's the host of the wedding Buzz. We're
Speaker 3: talking about happily ever after, I think, but I gotta
Speaker 3: take a quicker break and we will be back right
Speaker 3: after this.
Speaker 1: And we are back now.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna you know, you have been doing this
Speaker 3: that long. You have been doing this for thirty five years,
Speaker 3: but have you run into a situation where you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: these people probably shouldn't even be getting married, or they're
Speaker 3: just everything is a fight and you're like this doesn't
Speaker 3: bode well.
Speaker 2: Or now, of course you have those few they're just
Speaker 2: like hmm, like how is this gonna go. The one
Speaker 2: thing that I don't know if they were like weren't
Speaker 2: meant to be, but it kind of made me sad
Speaker 2: is we did this. This moment actually made me decide
Speaker 2: not to do a first look at my wedding. I like,
Speaker 2: in that moment was like I'm not I'm not doing
Speaker 2: a first look. We did the first look and he was,
Speaker 2: you know, happy to see her, and then as we're
Speaker 2: like walking back inside, he was like, all right, so
Speaker 2: we did this, like what do I do with the ceremony?
Speaker 2: And I was like what do you mean? He's like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I was supposed to look excited
Speaker 2: when I saw her. Now I did, and then at
Speaker 2: the ceremony like what am I supposed to do? Then
Speaker 2: I'm like fake it? Yeah, cry again, like be happy,
Speaker 2: like I don't know, and so I don't. Hopefully they're
Speaker 2: still together and everything's great.
Speaker 1: But I just was like where do you what's the first.
Speaker 3: Which thing you you figure out venue, amount of guests,
Speaker 3: budget of obviously both, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I I there. I suggest kind of two rounds
Speaker 2: of this of like estimated guest count. It's hard to
Speaker 2: off the you get engaged the next week to be like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is our finalized list. But seriously sit down and
Speaker 2: like count how many people? And all those people that
Speaker 2: you're like, eh, maybe not include them because it's easier
Speaker 2: to go down than up. Like if the venue. If
Speaker 2: you find a venue that fits one hundred people, and
Speaker 2: you're like, yeah, we have eighty people, perfect, well, then
Speaker 2: you keep adding and adding adding. Now you run into trouble.
Speaker 2: So figure out your guest list, figure out your budget
Speaker 2: a ballpark, a realistic ballpark budget. Have the tough conversations
Speaker 2: with family members who have said like, oh we're gonna
Speaker 2: give to you, like okay, how how much? Uncomfortable conversations,
Speaker 2: but like you have to have it. And then I
Speaker 2: suggest venue because venue links like the capacity at the
Speaker 2: venue is to to your guest count.
Speaker 1: Day, time of year, Yeah, is it available?
Speaker 2: Is it available? The budget? You have to know a
Speaker 2: budget to know if the venue is good or bad.
Speaker 2: And then the venue is linked to the date, So
Speaker 2: that's definitely where the building blocks where you got to start.
Speaker 1: Food comes where in the in the chain pretty early,
Speaker 1: pretty early.
Speaker 2: I like finding all your vendors pretty early. A lot
Speaker 2: of the food. A lot of venues include food. So
Speaker 2: if that's the case, then like it's kind of checked off.
Speaker 2: If they don't include the food, then I would pretty
Speaker 2: quickly find a caterer to at least lock in your
Speaker 2: date and you can always pick the menu later. That's
Speaker 2: a lot of these A lot of things with vendors
Speaker 2: is like you need a photographer, you need to get
Speaker 2: that date locked in.
Speaker 3: Some people have food truck weddings now they do, they do,
Speaker 3: and people think it's fun and it's creative and whatever.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can be I know some super healthy
Speaker 3: people who have weddings like park on the Beach and
Speaker 3: just the coolest just a fun band and it was
Speaker 3: just awesome. And I've had some people who's like, oh
Speaker 3: my god, how many mortgages on how many family members'
Speaker 3: houses did they take out to put this together? And
Speaker 3: it didn't necessarily make it more fun. More money doesn't
Speaker 3: necessarily make it more fun.
Speaker 2: I mean, what the guests like you kind of ask
Speaker 2: what the bride and the groom kind of debate over
Speaker 2: and the father of the bride. What the guests remember
Speaker 2: is food and entertainment one hundred percent, Like some of
Speaker 2: the women might care what it looked like and whatnot,
Speaker 2: but what are they truly going to remember is the food?
Speaker 1: And are you Are you on the side of band
Speaker 1: or DJA.
Speaker 2: It depends.
Speaker 1: That's a wishy washy answer.
Speaker 2: I know, I guess I like, I don't have.
Speaker 3: A I'm a fan of karaoke weddings. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 3: want drunk Uncle Joe to be singing Thriller.
Speaker 2: If I had to pick, probably DJ. I think a
Speaker 2: killer live band can be really cool and really fun, right,
Speaker 2: but if the band's not good, you can't be like, hey,
Speaker 2: can you change the song?
Speaker 1: I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Somebody told me once that the difference is why the
Speaker 3: DJ's better. Not only is the DJ then they're usually
Speaker 3: probably a good MC and all that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: that people know if they're going to dance, and a
Speaker 3: lot of people dance twice a year that they need
Speaker 3: to dance to the song and the way they know
Speaker 3: the beat is coming, and sometimes.
Speaker 1: The band is a hair off and it screws up
Speaker 1: to dance. Like I've heard that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm mixed because like I have been to weddings
Speaker 2: with an amazing band and it was like killer, you know.
Speaker 2: But I've been to weddings where the band just sucked
Speaker 2: and the bride was in tears the entire night, and
Speaker 2: it was like there was not much you could do,
Speaker 2: Like I didn't know how to tell the band to
Speaker 2: not be bad, and like I did try to, Like
Speaker 2: I was like, I needs your attention, and they kind
Speaker 2: of like put on filler music while I talk and
Speaker 2: I was like, the bride gave you a list of songs,
Speaker 2: like she says, you're not playing the right songs and
Speaker 2: they're like, oh yeah, yeah, we'll play it. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: she mentioned this, she mentioned this, and then they started
Speaker 2: playing again and they started playing like other stuff, and
Speaker 2: it's I was like, I don't I can't be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're in the middle of the performance, right, is the.
Speaker 3: Uh song their song first dance the father Daughter? Is
Speaker 3: that a big part of it or is that like
Speaker 3: the last thing that goes in the equation generally for
Speaker 3: what for the for the when you're choosing the music
Speaker 3: or like the because I'm there's like, this is our song, honey,
Speaker 3: and the groom's like, I don't even know this song.
Speaker 3: And then when she dances with her dad, that's usually
Speaker 3: a song too. But then you get some of these
Speaker 3: people really choreographed their first.
Speaker 1: Dances and then they blow up.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of crazy shit that's people
Speaker 3: remember things that are different, but a lot of people
Speaker 3: are stuck with tradition and they grew up thinking about
Speaker 3: a wedding a certain way based on what they might
Speaker 3: have gone to when they were fourteen years old, and
Speaker 3: they want to have that old school you know, I've
Speaker 3: been depends.
Speaker 2: On the crowd, Like the younger crowd is definitely more
Speaker 2: open to like, oh this is new, this is trendy,
Speaker 2: she didn't do this traditional thing. And then you get
Speaker 2: an older crowd who goes and it's like, how come
Speaker 2: she's not doing this and how comes?
Speaker 3: And it also depends on the part of the country.
Speaker 3: If you are in the northeast. I have been to
Speaker 3: a lot of Italian weddings where they're passing around the
Speaker 3: bag of cash and there's like one hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: grand in there at the end of the night and
Speaker 3: they're like, nobody's going to touch.
Speaker 1: That bag with this crowd here, nobody.
Speaker 3: But they do that and everything is old school, the
Speaker 3: tossing of the bouquet, the dance, the sit down, all
Speaker 3: of it. And then sometimes different parts of the world
Speaker 3: do different things. Sometimes people want to have weddings of
Speaker 3: pass pro shops like the same thing, or they dress differently,
Speaker 3: or the you know, a lot of people want the
Speaker 3: dark talks and six guys in a line all like that,
Speaker 3: and some people are like, where whatever you want, there
Speaker 3: should be some imagination in all of this, and your
Speaker 3: job's to pull that out of them. Yeah, but people
Speaker 3: want to respect tradition of what they leave a wedding
Speaker 3: looks like in their head.
Speaker 2: So I was literally emailing a bride this morning and
Speaker 2: because she was asking, she wants to do evites and
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, and she's like, how does this
Speaker 2: typically work? I was like, okay, well typically they're not
Speaker 2: evites and you send us save the date and then this.
Speaker 2: But at the end of it, I'm like, but it's
Speaker 2: your wedding to do anything you want. That's I mean,
Speaker 2: the title of my book is your Day, Your Way.
Speaker 2: I to plan a perfect wedding without losing sight of
Speaker 2: what matters. So let's look at tradition and then let's
Speaker 2: look at what you want to do, and how can
Speaker 2: we kind of meet in the middle here. How can
Speaker 2: we find something that fits what you want without pissing
Speaker 2: off your family and your guests.
Speaker 3: The one job that I believe has gotten easier when
Speaker 3: it comes to the wedding thing is the photographer because
Speaker 3: you're too young to remember this. You know, fifteen years
Speaker 3: ago he's dropping off at roll of film where he's development.
Speaker 2: I'm not too young for this. Because it's become this
Speaker 2: new trendy thing to do film photography at wedding and
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Yoh why what's the upside of that?
Speaker 2: I think people just you know how like it's it
Speaker 2: was a trendy it's now trendy for like record players. Again,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: They want developed film.
Speaker 2: They want developed film.
Speaker 1: That's stressful because you want to know you got the shot,
Speaker 1: and oh.
Speaker 2: My gosh, it drives me insane because it's like the
Speaker 2: some of these photographers, I'm going to piss off all
Speaker 2: these people, But that's okay. Some of these photographers that
Speaker 2: only do film photography. They literally have to bring an assistant,
Speaker 2: which the bride is paying for that assistant to be
Speaker 2: there and hold film ready to swap in the camera.
Speaker 2: And then I've been at weddings where the photographers like,
Speaker 2: hold this genuine moment, Hold wait, let me swap my film,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, we progressed in the.
Speaker 1: World we have. We have a camera. Everybody's got phones.
Speaker 2: And like, you can take a digital photo and add
Speaker 2: a filter to make it look that grainy filmy look.
Speaker 2: If that's what you want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, yeah you can, and you can filter
Speaker 1: it and get g It's.
Speaker 2: Not my style, but if that's what you want, you
Speaker 2: can do it.
Speaker 3: Where do you stand on kids at the wedding in
Speaker 3: the wedding, because that's controversial.
Speaker 2: To My wedding was a no kid wedding.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is fair if you.
Speaker 2: Are super casual. It's like a backyard barbecue. Family feel like, okay, fine.
Speaker 2: My wedding was a formal wedding and I was like, no, no, way, no,
Speaker 2: because it was all it like a like a theater,
Speaker 2: like a performance. It happens once and I.
Speaker 1: Don't can't risk something. Sorry parents and kids.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the amount of money that we paid for
Speaker 2: the video and everything.
Speaker 1: Now, is there.
Speaker 3: One thing looking back on your own wedding that you're like,
Speaker 3: now that I know things, I wish I did this,
Speaker 3: or I would have done this differently.
Speaker 1: I wish my wedding was perfect.
Speaker 2: No, definitely not the favors I did, which I had
Speaker 2: this debate with my parents just the other day. I
Speaker 2: did these favors that were like little seedling trees, and
Speaker 2: I was so focused on trying to do something different
Speaker 2: that I did these seedling trees. And then at the end,
Speaker 2: I was like, this is stupid. Nobody wants a tree
Speaker 2: like some which my mom is like, yes they did,
Speaker 2: like her friend ed Sandy and ed shout out to
Speaker 2: the chehis but he has the tree and he like
Speaker 2: sends pictures and it's growing and he potted it and
Speaker 2: all this, so some people like still have it. But
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a lot of trees went
Speaker 2: to the garbage.
Speaker 1: Here's my uh. I know it's a good idea though,
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of thing. On paper.
Speaker 2: They looked cute. It was like packaged cute and had
Speaker 2: her names on it. But at the end, at watching
Speaker 2: my I had a planner and watching her like try
Speaker 2: to hand out these trees, and people who had been
Speaker 2: drinking all night were like, I don't want to treat.
Speaker 3: You like one thing that bothers me about. I love
Speaker 3: to go to weddings. First of all, if somebody invites
Speaker 3: me to a wedding, I'm going. If somebody wants me
Speaker 3: there on like the most important day of their life,
Speaker 3: of course I'm going. I've been weddings on the other
Speaker 3: side of the world because it's people like I can't
Speaker 3: believe you're going to that. I'm like, they wanted me there,
Speaker 3: so that's my own need to be wanted. What I
Speaker 3: do not want is to be at a singles table.
Speaker 3: I don't like the concept of it. I don't like
Speaker 3: it feels like the loser table. It feels like, oh,
Speaker 3: because we put these people next to each other, they're
Speaker 3: randomly gonna find life gonna end up to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like it.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's like, oh, hopefully you guys can
Speaker 3: be us someday.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's not good.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people do like a head table
Speaker 2: of all the bridesmaids and grooms baddis. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: think it's a bad thing. It's if you want it,
Speaker 2: definitely do it. Something that I prefer is just like
Speaker 2: group your people together. M Like, for example, at my wedding,
Speaker 2: my sister was my maid of honor. Instead of making
Speaker 2: her sit like right next to me or at this
Speaker 2: head table with my bridesmaids that she wasn't really friends with,
Speaker 2: I had invited some of her friends from grad school
Speaker 2: that she doesn't get to see that often, because I
Speaker 2: became friendly with them too, And so I put her
Speaker 2: at a table with them, and they were like ecstatic.
Speaker 2: They haven't seen each other in months, but they were
Speaker 2: so so close all grad school. You know, so right,
Speaker 2: I put, I put.
Speaker 3: That's always a weird dynamic at weddings. You have the
Speaker 3: college friends, you have the family, you have the work friends.
Speaker 1: You have this weird sort.
Speaker 2: Of I like doing. I like doing tables. Do a
Speaker 2: work table. Do your college table. People are going to
Speaker 2: enjoy it the most. They don't want to sit with
Speaker 2: strangers or singles table. They want to sit with you.
Speaker 2: They know.
Speaker 3: And if you're giving a toast out there, it's not
Speaker 3: for amateurs. Get some help, Like, get some help.
Speaker 1: You want to call me.
Speaker 3: I can write a really good eulogy, and I can
Speaker 3: write a really good toast.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't want to hear.
Speaker 3: Like the first time I saw those two, I knew
Speaker 3: they were I'm not only I'm I'm You're not just
Speaker 3: gaining a husband, I'm getting a brother. Like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to hear that. Like, think outside of the box.
Speaker 3: Get a professional to help you. Here's my most controversial
Speaker 3: wedding take. And the women get so mad when.
Speaker 1: I say this. I will take it to the grave.
Speaker 3: The way that most women wear their hair on their
Speaker 3: wedding day, like tight, lacquered, pulled up or whatever. You
Speaker 3: would never wear it that way to a club. And
Speaker 3: when you're going to a club, you are trying.
Speaker 1: To look as hot as you have ever looked.
Speaker 3: So why on your wedding day are you wearing your
Speaker 3: hair in a fashion that you will never wear again
Speaker 3: in your life and you have never worn to that
Speaker 3: point in your life. Seems like the wrong time to
Speaker 3: take a risk.
Speaker 2: Do you know that all the women might hate me?
Speaker 2: But I agree with you.
Speaker 1: There we go.
Speaker 2: This has been my like you just like outed me.
Speaker 2: I've had this like like internally every time I see
Speaker 2: brides with these like little buns and yeah.
Speaker 1: Real tight and spear and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, you kind of look bald from the front, and
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't get it.
Speaker 3: Like, well, I want it out of my face. Well
Speaker 3: there's a lot of ways to keep it out of
Speaker 3: your face, but who cares if your hair is in
Speaker 3: your face?
Speaker 1: You look hot? R get a goddamn bread Not.
Speaker 2: That what I did for my wedding was like now,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh what I did? But like, I put
Speaker 2: the front back so it wasn't in my face, but
Speaker 2: the rest was down so I didn't look bald, and
Speaker 2: I looked like myself.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: A lot of times it's like, oh, you don't look
Speaker 3: like that ever before and ever again?
Speaker 1: Why are you all the.
Speaker 3: Days to gamble or to take a chance on a
Speaker 3: look that you don't normally do. I just think it's
Speaker 3: not a good idea.
Speaker 2: So what I really suggest the brides do when they
Speaker 2: go to their trial for hair and makeup is don't
Speaker 2: go on Pinterest. I mean, you can go on pictures,
Speaker 2: but like, don't bring a bunch of pictures of other people, right,
Speaker 2: find the picture a few pictures of yourself where you
Speaker 2: feel like you look amazing, Like I love myself in
Speaker 2: this picture. Bring that and then say, hey, do an
Speaker 2: elevated version of this.
Speaker 3: And we have so many pictures of ourselves these days,
Speaker 3: there's just another advantage, like, oh my god, I look
Speaker 3: great that day.
Speaker 1: Wear it like that.
Speaker 3: A lot of people are like, well, I'm taking advantage
Speaker 3: of the fact that I have a hair and makeup
Speaker 3: crew to give me a look that I've never always
Speaker 3: wanted to do.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what you do.
Speaker 2: So I feel like like this is not allowed for
Speaker 2: me to say, but say it. When my hair is
Speaker 2: in a bun. It's like when I look like a
Speaker 2: homeless person around the house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you, and you also look stressed or not happy.
Speaker 3: It's an unhappy it's not a fun look.
Speaker 2: If hair is in a bun, it's probably.
Speaker 3: Not like we need more ponytails at weddings. There's not
Speaker 3: a ponytails going on. I agree, you should be fun,
Speaker 3: you should be flirty, you should be sexy, you should beautiful.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of ways to accomplish that. And sorry,
Speaker 3: a lot of people are mad at me now for
Speaker 3: saying this, but I'm glad you agreed with this.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: This is what I you know, and he loves you
Speaker 3: as you are, and this is the day, Like you
Speaker 3: are the one he chose. You know, a lot of
Speaker 3: women get married for a lot of reasons. She wants
Speaker 3: the house, the dog, the white picket fence. He's not
Speaker 3: even on that list. You ever noticed that that he's
Speaker 3: not even there. He I believe when he asked you
Speaker 3: to marry him, it's because he wanted to spend fifty
Speaker 3: years with you. Like I think men are fundamentally more
Speaker 3: romantic about getting married and the women are more.
Speaker 1: About the wedding.
Speaker 3: A lot of that stereotype of way, Brian Howie, what
Speaker 3: stereotypes happened for one thing that you haven't Is there
Speaker 3: something that you're like, oh my god, I can't wait
Speaker 3: for the to suggest this to the right couple to
Speaker 3: have them try it in something that you have not encountered,
Speaker 3: either being at a wedding or doing what you do
Speaker 3: for a living, and are.
Speaker 1: Like, I wish a wedding just had a bunch of
Speaker 1: hula hoops. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Is there something that you're like, somebody needs to take
Speaker 3: a chance and do this at a wedding or is
Speaker 3: that putting you on the spot too much?
Speaker 2: No? I mean I don't mind being on the spot.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's like it's definitely been done before,
Speaker 2: but not something that I've super experienced. I love like
Speaker 2: entertainment at weddings. I know that it's like not budget friendly.
Speaker 3: Like a magician just maybe I think a magician work
Speaker 3: in the room and the reception is.
Speaker 1: A good thing.
Speaker 2: I just I just think, kind of going back to
Speaker 2: what I said, like the guests remember the food and
Speaker 2: the entertainment. I just think keeping the night fun every
Speaker 2: third minutes, do something different, add a confetti pop, add
Speaker 2: co two cannons, have the magician pop in the room. Yeah,
Speaker 2: have some dancers or something like. I just think I
Speaker 2: wish more people focused on fun. Fun.
Speaker 3: People are gonna remember how was that wedding? Oh my god,
Speaker 3: it was so much fun, And people don't focus on
Speaker 3: the fun. Focus on the fun.
Speaker 2: The other thing was like today a lot of people
Speaker 2: not wanting to do the traditional like bookay, toss, carter toss, Okay,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? People get tired of dancing?
Speaker 1: Is that considered sexist?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: A bunch of women fighting over the bouquet?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Is that is that the reason? Like a lot of
Speaker 3: people are steering away from it.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it's it's trendy to not
Speaker 2: be traditional, So I think that that's part of it.
Speaker 2: And then I do think, especially as you're getting into
Speaker 2: later twenties, thirties or older, a lot of your friends
Speaker 2: are married. So then it's almost like, hey, let's single
Speaker 2: out the single people and put them on display. So
Speaker 2: it's not I guess that nice.
Speaker 1: Right, that's true too.
Speaker 2: So I'm not like saying you have to do the
Speaker 2: traditional things, but do something nobody your your guests cannot
Speaker 2: just dance from seven point thirty to ten o'clock like
Speaker 2: they're gonna get bored.
Speaker 1: They are.
Speaker 3: There has to be more than pictures, food, dance, right,
Speaker 3: you have to come up with something else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not a waste of money in my opinion. Like, no,
Speaker 2: it's not do the confetti pop, do the co two cannons.
Speaker 2: It makes great pictures. People remember it. It's so fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, be creative. What was the highlight of your own wedding?
Speaker 3: What's the thing you remember the most besides your fantastic hair.
Speaker 2: I I was really happy during the ceremony.
Speaker 1: That helps.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just remember the whole day. I was just
Speaker 2: happy and calm, and I just was nervous that I
Speaker 2: would be nervous, and I really wasn't. And so I
Speaker 2: know that that's not one moment. But I was just
Speaker 2: really happy even this ceremony. I was just genuinely happy
Speaker 2: and like in the moment.
Speaker 3: And people can feed off that, like that is a
Speaker 3: good thing. If you're happy and you can feel that,
Speaker 3: it doesn't feel like a stressful thing. And and did
Speaker 3: you know everybody at your wedding or are there people
Speaker 3: who you met for the first time?
Speaker 2: I knew there were people I met for the first time,
Speaker 2: but I knew about nine percent, Like there was a
Speaker 2: couple people on his side that I who is this
Speaker 2: cousin of yours? Yeah, yeah, there was a couple of people.
Speaker 2: And we got married pretty fast. He proposed in seven
Speaker 2: months and then we got married a year after, So.
Speaker 1: That's about right. Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 2: I was not down to be begging for like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I know some this is maybe controversial.
Speaker 1: But it's called the great love debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some women just beg for that proposal for like
Speaker 2: years and years, and I was like, uh, I don't
Speaker 2: think I want to do that, and then he just
Speaker 2: he proposed, probably earlier than I was expecting.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Was it a surprise?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good, definitely was.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was surprised.
Speaker 3: I had like took you down a bass pro shop
Speaker 3: and shot it out of a gun.
Speaker 2: Now he wishes, he wishes. Now he did it. He
Speaker 2: did it on Christmas in front of my family and
Speaker 2: did they know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: They knew.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: Right, So I had like weird feelings, like I decided
Speaker 2: I don't know why I went through, like I'm going
Speaker 2: to vlog and normally he's like put the camera away,
Speaker 2: like don't I don't want it, And that day he
Speaker 2: was like, here, babe, I'll help you set up your
Speaker 2: camera right before we were about to open presents, and
Speaker 2: I was like huh. But then I also was thinking
Speaker 2: like nope, there's no way he's going to propose, but
Speaker 2: he did.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, I'm gonna let you plug your book,
Speaker 3: your business, and your podcast, and then is your f time.
Speaker 3: On the podcast, we play something called worst date or
Speaker 3: first date, So you have to either think back to
Speaker 3: your swinging single days when you had a really bad date,
Speaker 3: or give us the really best date you've ever had
Speaker 3: could be with your husband, could be with somebody else,
Speaker 3: your choice. So first of all, tell everybody about your book,
Speaker 3: tell everybody about your business, and tell everybody where they
Speaker 3: find your podcast.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yes, I have a book. It's called Your Day,
Speaker 2: Your Way. It's on Amazon. It is an Amazon bestseller.
Speaker 1: It's a good title.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you. So yeah, Your Day Your Way on Amazon.
Speaker 2: My podcast is The Wedding Buzz, so that is on Spotify, Apple.
Speaker 2: I do upload the videos on YouTube as well if
Speaker 2: you want to watch it. We go. We talk about
Speaker 2: all things wedding and all a lot of things of
Speaker 2: that new couples are going through. And then I am
Speaker 2: a wedding planner. I am in West Palm Beach, Florida.
Speaker 2: So if you need a wedding planner or if I
Speaker 2: offer content creation services, So if you need wedding planning
Speaker 2: or content creation in South Florida, I'm your girl.
Speaker 3: Good for you, all right, worst date or first date
Speaker 3: your choice, I don't know. Well, give me your first
Speaker 3: date with your husband. Then do you remember that, yes,
Speaker 3: I do, went fly fishing.
Speaker 1: You've taken a lot of his wishes away, I know.
Speaker 1: Give you that one. That's a good, hopeful story to
Speaker 1: end on.
Speaker 2: Okay, we met him bumble.
Speaker 1: There you go, old fashion.
Speaker 2: Met on Bumble.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so you had to go first. What was
Speaker 1: your opening line on I.
Speaker 2: Wish I remembered. I was not. I was not like
Speaker 2: interesting at all. I just was like, hey, how are you?
Speaker 1: Like? Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I was really over the dating and stuff. When I
Speaker 2: met him. I just was like kind of trying because
Speaker 2: I felt like I had to. But so I don't know,
Speaker 2: probably something boring, Hey how are you? But we did
Speaker 2: click like right away. We met three days later. We
Speaker 2: went to Elizabetha's in on Atlantic Avenue for.
Speaker 1: In Dolwry Beach, Florida.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we also we met May of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: It was COVID. Everything was closed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a little less closed here, yeah, South Florida,
Speaker 3: but it was still Again, that was a weird time
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 2: It was super weird. So it wasn't like that extravagant
Speaker 2: or anything, but it was sweet. We literally sat in
Speaker 2: the in his truck and just talked for hours.
Speaker 1: That's got as good hours. That's got as good anything else.
Speaker 2: A couple hours. Yeah, we just sat and talked as
Speaker 2: there was nothing else. The movies were closed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like your two blocks from the beach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess we could have gotten there it was raining.
Speaker 1: Nope, we just sat in the parking lot in the truck.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 1: And here you are and here we are. Good for you,
Speaker 1: Thank you. This was fun.
Speaker 3: This was a little splash of hope on sort of
Speaker 3: a negative series of podcasts.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry about that. We cover all sides. Were were
Speaker 1: four hundred and something episodes here.
Speaker 3: We got to slice this apple a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: As far as us and the Wedding Buzz like share, follow,
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Speaker 3: Great Love Debate at gmail dot com if you have
Speaker 3: some thoughts on wedding hairstyles or anything else that I
Speaker 3: said about this or anything else. We have a listener
Speaker 3: letter a mail bag episode coming up. I think either
Speaker 3: the next episode or the episode after that. I have
Speaker 3: a fairly big celebrity who I've been trying to get
Speaker 3: on for a long time coming up the week after that.
Speaker 3: Go to Great Lovedebate dot com. I think there's some
Speaker 3: live shows to finish out the year.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm losing my mojo on it only because I'm tired
Speaker 3: of traveling. But I do have some obligations to do
Speaker 3: some live shows. Like I said, we lost a bunch
Speaker 3: of our live tour shows to COVID and got to
Speaker 3: make them up.
Speaker 1: Got to give the people what they want because, as
Speaker 1: always at the Great Love Debate, we never stopped making love.
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