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<v Speaker 7>All right? What's up? Hopefully everybody had a good time.

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<v Speaker 7>Add to church, y'all go to church today anyway. Welcome

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<v Speaker 7>to another open forum, another discussion. I've got all kinds

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<v Speaker 7>of topics that we could discuss. We've also opened it

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<v Speaker 7>up for people to call on any topic except tag.

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<v Speaker 7>Not doing tag today, but anything else. You want to

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<v Speaker 7>talk about, geopolitics, God, feminism, liberalism, libertarianism, men and women, dating,

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<v Speaker 7>riz or Mojo, World War three, geopolitical texts like Tragian Hope,

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<v Speaker 7>like Jacquette Lee, like Moses Hess. What do you guys

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<v Speaker 7>want to talk about? I'm open to discussing. I want

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<v Speaker 7>to hear it's also some of your feedback. I want

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<v Speaker 7>you to tell me where I'm wrong. I want you

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<v Speaker 7>to correct me, put me in my place. I'm ready

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<v Speaker 7>for you to defeat me. Show me how deficient my

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<v Speaker 7>arguments are. A pitiful bitcoin crypto. You want to talk

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<v Speaker 7>about that, Let's talk about it. Tell me about it.

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<v Speaker 7>You a gold boomer, You want to set me straight?

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<v Speaker 7>You a leprechaun. Give me me Gord, give me Gord,

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<v Speaker 7>give me me Spanish dooms. Are you a pirate? Are

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<v Speaker 7>you a pirate, pirateeering, privateering a Spanish galleon? You're gonna

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<v Speaker 7>set me straight about where the future is going back

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<v Speaker 7>to pirate times? Are you a Muslim? You want to

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<v Speaker 7>set me straight on the Islams? Well, guess what today's

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<v Speaker 7>your day? Dog? Today is your day? Class warfare, prole drift.

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<v Speaker 7>Have you heard of this? That's also on the table.

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<v Speaker 7>I got some good videos that I saw on that.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's start with Caleb since he was waiting yesterday crazy.

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<v Speaker 7>What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, j first till thank you for having me on

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<v Speaker 3>It's Home to finally speak with you. I recently got

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<v Speaker 3>into all your content about like.

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<v Speaker 7>Six seven months ago.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've been on my own journey of trying to,

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<v Speaker 7>And I recently stumbled on to Orthodox Church challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>Just wondering if you could give me like some questions

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<v Speaker 3>and some pointers on what I should be looking for

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<v Speaker 3>to see if this church is like connected with the

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<v Speaker 3>Deep State and things like that.

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<v Speaker 7>What kind of Orthodox church?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, it's a antioch and Orthodox church.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh, that's probably the best that you're going to be

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<v Speaker 7>able to find if that's what's near you. Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 7>only like three of them, and one of them old Greek.

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<v Speaker 3>So unless I pick up Greek real.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon, I'm going there.

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<v Speaker 7>I know it's probably your best bet. Usually they're they're

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<v Speaker 7>better than everybody else for the most part. Ohio, what's up?

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<v Speaker 7>Good question, though, Guys, what's up? You want to support

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<v Speaker 7>the stream? You can do so in the super chat

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<v Speaker 7>section they're through stream lands or natively through YouTube. What's up? Ohio?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm you.

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<v Speaker 3>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 8>Just a quick comment on the state a very sad

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<v Speaker 8>state of Catholic apologetics. I suppose you don't follow along

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<v Speaker 8>with Michael Laughton and the True So they recently I

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<v Speaker 8>just seccidentally saw this. They recently invited Jake the massive

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<v Speaker 8>metaphysician and some the Orthodox Masim.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know if you know him. He's like the

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<v Speaker 7>biggest Orthodox Muslim I've seen that channel.

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<v Speaker 8>Libyano also called Lesbiano. Yeah, he's an absolute idiot, but

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<v Speaker 8>he's like the biggest Moslim TikTok experience. So I just

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<v Speaker 8>want to comment on how retarded reason and theology and

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<v Speaker 8>cruiz when they literally invite people that you and doctor

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<v Speaker 8>Bradshaw and others destroyed years ago to debate some very

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<v Speaker 8>let's say, subpar opponents and give them a very large

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<v Speaker 8>platform to spread the radio idiotic interpretations. For example that

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<v Speaker 8>with Biano, guy literally uses the Philippins passage and things

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<v Speaker 8>that being in the form of God is the equivalent

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<v Speaker 8>of being created in the image of God. So he

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<v Speaker 8>says this is a proof that he's actually just a human.

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<v Speaker 7>Even though the passage says.

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<v Speaker 8>In this form of God, he interpreted it so it

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<v Speaker 8>says that it's just the image of God. So that's

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<v Speaker 8>the proof of Islam in his opinion. So, yeah, the

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<v Speaker 8>level of re tradition they spread and just wanted to

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<v Speaker 8>find it's very funny that instead they hate you so

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<v Speaker 8>much and your sphere so much.

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<v Speaker 7>That they, yeah, they'll bring on antirects people that you

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<v Speaker 7>and your Yeah, they'll bring on anti Christ, and Islam

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<v Speaker 7>is Antichrist. As first John says, if you don't confess

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<v Speaker 7>anti Christ. And now that's not surprising that Loughton would

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<v Speaker 7>bring on Antichrist because Lofton is Antichrist. I mean Lofton

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<v Speaker 7>is over here trying to sue other Roman Catholics from

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<v Speaker 7>surprised that that's the level to which they have sunk, because,

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<v Speaker 7>in Roman Catholicism. It's just kind of sad. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, there's no there's really no other indicators or

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<v Speaker 7>are just utterly obstinate grifting, tripling down, quadrupling down because

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<v Speaker 7>of sunken cost fallacy, all that kind of stuff. So

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<v Speaker 7>you know, really really at the point when there's just

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, next he'll have a net and yahoo on

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<v Speaker 7>to explain Christianity to us. Boo caster, what's up, Jay?

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<v Speaker 3>So I knew that you were Cardinal were right, So

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<v Speaker 3>that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 7>How do you observe Lent not doing that question today?

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<v Speaker 7>So we're not asking personal questions about my diet. The

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<v Speaker 7>way I get around it is that I pay a

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<v Speaker 7>jysia to Dugan, who pays that to Putin, and I

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<v Speaker 7>get a free pass. Caleb. What's up, hey, Jay?

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<v Speaker 3>I just got a question for absolutely divine simplicity.

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<v Speaker 10>So, if all of God's attributes in reality are not distinct,

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<v Speaker 10>then how is it even possible to have a conceptual distinction?

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<v Speaker 10>Like if all numbers were in reality like not distinct,

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<v Speaker 10>then like, how is it even cohesive to come up

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<v Speaker 7>They see, They'll just say that metaphysically, it has to

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<v Speaker 7>be that way because any other approach makes God composite,

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<v Speaker 7>which is itself a metaphysical assumption that's totally incoherent with

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<v Speaker 7>the notion of a triad. But that's the very point,

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<v Speaker 3>So okay, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep, But yeah, I think you raise a good point,

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<v Speaker 7>which is essentially what Palamus raises in Dialogue with a

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<v Speaker 7>Barley Mte. He says, really, you don't know what the

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<v Speaker 7>even know that any of these attributes are matching up

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<v Speaker 7>at all. So the result is atheism, correct, Patrick, what's

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<v Speaker 7>a good question though, You're on the right track, gilt

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<v Speaker 11>I just had a couple quick questions and then a comment.

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<v Speaker 11>What's the exact reason that there's no more ecumenical councils

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<v Speaker 11>is just because the faith has.

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<v Speaker 4>Fully been delivered or what's the exact reason.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, there's no economia or empire, which is where the

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<v Speaker 7>councils came from. But after the ecumenical councils, there are

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<v Speaker 7>still councils. So there's pan Orthodox synods that are accepted

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<v Speaker 7>throughout the world, and there's the Palamite Synods which make

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<v Speaker 7>up the ninth Ecumenical Council. So there have been ecumenical

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<v Speaker 7>councils after the seventh, but since that time, since the

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<v Speaker 7>erupturing of the imperium and the collapse of Byzantium, really

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<v Speaker 7>all you could have is pan Orthodox synods that for

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<v Speaker 7>the most part have been received, such as you know,

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<v Speaker 7>confession of dyscytheus or patriarchal and cyclical those kinds of

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<v Speaker 7>things are essentially the same type of thing. But even

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<v Speaker 7>the Roman Calolic Church doesn't have any consistent means or

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<v Speaker 7>method or explanation as to which ones are ecumenical councils.

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<v Speaker 7>It's really arbitrary.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, thanks, And then the other question I had was

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<v Speaker 11>I was kind of getting this debate with this Catholic,

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<v Speaker 11>and he brought up Tertullian and how he opposed the

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<v Speaker 11>Bishop of Rome for like handing out indulgences universally, and

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<v Speaker 11>he was claiming that, oh, the Bishop of Rome was

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<v Speaker 11>clearly already implementing universal authority during this time.

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<v Speaker 3>But I just wanted to hear what your perspective on

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<v Speaker 3>that is.

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<v Speaker 7>I've never heard of anyone arguing that indulgences were happening

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<v Speaker 7>this early. I think what you're referring to is the

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<v Speaker 7>idea that there was a tradition in Rome that if

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<v Speaker 7>you were a tradeatur or a person who had fallen

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<v Speaker 7>during times of persecution, the debate the question was could

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<v Speaker 7>you be restored? Could you be come back to communion?

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<v Speaker 7>That is not an indulgence. So I don't know where

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<v Speaker 7>he's getting that idea. That's a quote painful indulgence. The

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<v Speaker 7>same discussion occurs in the time of Saint Cyprian, and

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<v Speaker 7>this is where we get the Novationists and eventually donates

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<v Speaker 7>the different sects of the pure, the people who didn't

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<v Speaker 7>but it was a tradition in Rome. But the fact

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<v Speaker 7>that the Bishops of Rome upheld that tradition and were correct,

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<v Speaker 7>does not prove universal jurisdiction or universal papal indulgences, and

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<v Speaker 7>indulgence is something very different. That's a temporal remission of

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<v Speaker 7>whereas in confession you have in the Roman Catholic system

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<v Speaker 7>But the fact that Tertullian opposed that, I mean you

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<v Speaker 7>could just counter with the fact that Irenaeus opposed Pope

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<v Speaker 7>Victor in his attempt at universal claims. So they just

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sounds about right.

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<v Speaker 11>like with Vatican too. It just creates this indefensible or

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<v Speaker 11>impenetrable position with so much ambiguity. Eventually you're just going

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<v Speaker 7>It's just yeah, well wait, Vatican three. Vatican three will

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<v Speaker 7>be the next level. Yeah, all right, thank you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>great points to the person who is this Dawson person

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<v Speaker 7>call in. Yeah, in our chat, people that disagree, we

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<v Speaker 7>involved in great questions there whole appreciate that, Jr. What's up?

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<v Speaker 7>And I would say, you know, Vatican two is not

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<v Speaker 7>There's a lot of places where it's very clear what

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<v Speaker 7>it means. So, uh, weaponized ambiguity is real, but it's

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<v Speaker 7>also something that you know, Tim Gordon and people like

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<v Speaker 7>that trot out as an excuse to be like, well,

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<v Speaker 7>see you can still interpret it in a conservative way. No, actually,

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<v Speaker 7>no stratate is not able to be interpreted in a

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<v Speaker 7>conservative way. So weaponized ambiguity is only part of the picture.

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<v Speaker 7>It's half the story. The rest of it is where

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<v Speaker 7>it's not ambiguous and it's very clear, John, what's up.

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<v Speaker 3>My only question to Hugh is what are you going

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<v Speaker 3>you led men to be mongoloids?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you need to say it in a gayer voice.

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<v Speaker 7>And then I'll listen to you, because then I'll know

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<v Speaker 7>that you're If you talk like this, I'll know you're pios.

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<v Speaker 3>So one I had two ideas about talking about something,

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<v Speaker 3>but one thing, particularly in Tragedy and Hope, because I

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<v Speaker 3>things that mean you old times, we take for granted

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<v Speaker 3>day was that the JP Morgan banker Thomas Lamont, was

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<v Speaker 3>York City, right, And that's in Tragedy and Hope. So

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<v Speaker 3>his name was Thomas H. Lamont, and he started the

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<v Speaker 3>it was either the American Workers Party or the American

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<v Speaker 3>Communist Party in New York City at the time. And

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<v Speaker 3>so once again, like there's this idea, and it's funny

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<v Speaker 3>that we do have to reiterate this from time to time,

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<v Speaker 3>is that the communist movements are not movements of the

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<v Speaker 3>down trodden, especially in the modern times. There was a

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<v Speaker 3>years back, and it made the point because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Woody Guthrie was a communist too, and he was making

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<v Speaker 3>music not for you know, he's writing about the dust Bowl,

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<v Speaker 3>okis and whatnot, But he wasn't making music for the

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<v Speaker 3>dust Bowl, okie. He was making music for the New

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<v Speaker 3>York bohemians. And so that's technically where people get lost

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<v Speaker 3>is they don't realize that the that there's like a

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<v Speaker 3>bohemian kind of like bourgeois aspect to Marxism and communism

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, absolutely great point. I'm looking up that there's there's

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<v Speaker 7>a significant section on Lamont starting around page chief. Evidence

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<v Speaker 7>can be found in the files of the HUACT documents

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<v Speaker 7>which show that Tom Lamont and his wife Flora and

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<v Speaker 7>their son were sponsors of almost all left organizations and

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<v Speaker 7>extreme left organizations and the Communist Party itself. Now, I

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<v Speaker 7>don't think he says right here who that is. Let's

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<v Speaker 7>see if he goes on to say this was a

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<v Speaker 7>unions unions are fake and gay and used other lamonts.

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<v Speaker 7>He mentions, let's see the Institute for Pacific Relations also

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<v Speaker 7>in other one of these front organizations pushing socialism and communism.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a CFR type thing for the correct for

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<v Speaker 3>the Asian countries.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes it is. I'm just trying to figure out, he says,

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<v Speaker 7>this guy's pedigree. I'm not doubting you. I'm just I

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<v Speaker 7>just wanted to find this, that's all.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you're talking about that he's a JP Morgan banker. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's in there.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's see forty five to forty seven. It might be,

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<v Speaker 7>so he's in there quite a few times. Let's see

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<v Speaker 7>nine thirty seven, because that's really powerful. In fact, that's

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<v Speaker 7>even probably that might be worth putting on Twitter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>let's so you have to go back a few pages

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<v Speaker 7>here and let's see. Yes, that's essentially what he's saying.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't see where he mentions Laman on this space,

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<v Speaker 7>but he's basically saying that these wealthy Eastern Seaboard families,

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<v Speaker 7>Payne Whitney, people at Harvard Morgan firm, Wall Street elites

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<v Speaker 7>are intimately tied up in communism, right, not all of them,

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<v Speaker 7>but many of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Another little tidbit is that you know the CFR

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<v Speaker 7>Schultz the former.

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<v Speaker 3>What was he like, secretary of state in Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 3>he was one of the pre he was like a

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<v Speaker 3>pratt and so his family, his family's building is where

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<v Speaker 3>politicians actually run stuff? Yeah, it's like, okay, well they am.

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<v Speaker 3>So you have a secretary of state whose family literally

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<v Speaker 3>donated that the building to where the CFR is and

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<v Speaker 3>and that's how politicians are managed exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's it's just for whatever reason, especially when you're

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<v Speaker 7>trying to convey this to boomers, you cannot convey to

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<v Speaker 7>convey to boomers that Marxism socialism is essentially a controlled dialectic.

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<v Speaker 7>They just cannot get this. And then trying to convey

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<v Speaker 7>to them that politicians have a very limited ability to

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<v Speaker 7>tanks and steering committees, that just seems to be an

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<v Speaker 7>insurmountable thing. I've never been able to convey that to

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<v Speaker 7>outside of like Jim Jottras and you know, my godfather

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<v Speaker 7>Dean Arnold all. You know, they were, and they're both

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<v Speaker 7>pretty well read and they understand all this. But I

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<v Speaker 7>think Jim. In Jim's case, his dad was the Moscow

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<v Speaker 7>you know station at the Moscow Embassy throughout the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 7>so he saw a lot of this kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 7>up close, and so he understands all this stuff. But

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<v Speaker 7>I think for most people this is just an insurmountable things.

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<v Speaker 12>Even a lot of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Even a lot of the boots on the ground people

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<v Speaker 3>like the weather underground. They're all from wealthy Jewish.

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<v Speaker 7>Exactly, yes, and then when you bring this up, they're like, well,

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<v Speaker 7>why would they before that they're against the rich. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>Like that's the answer you get. It's like, why would

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<v Speaker 7>David Rockefeller like Fabian socialism? He's a capitalist even though

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<v Speaker 7>and you show him like the New York Times where

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<v Speaker 7>David Rockefeller praises it, you know, socialism and Maoism. It's like,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't believe that. I don't believe that.

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<v Speaker 3>Switchy topics real quick. I was going to ask you

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<v Speaker 3>one thing, so, like with canvas Owens covering Charlie Kirk, thing,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't that a weird development within conspiracy research to have

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<v Speaker 3>like real time and analysis of a like big assassinate

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<v Speaker 3>not only not only her, but like multiple peoples on

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<v Speaker 3>the interwebs doing full skill and now like that didn't

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<v Speaker 3>happen in the past.

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<v Speaker 7>You know what I mean, Well we did, Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 7>think it's like a further development of the real time

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<v Speaker 7>cameras in the heat of you know, Desert Storm, that

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<v Speaker 7>was the first live televised twenty four hour war. I know,

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<v Speaker 7>there were there were cameras at Vietnam and all that,

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<v Speaker 7>but that was like the first time cameras were directly

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<v Speaker 7>live in the war. But then Desert Storm, and this

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<v Speaker 7>was actually, if I remember in the Rank Corporation book,

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<v Speaker 7>like it was intentionally you know, on the news channel

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<v Speaker 7>twenty four seven as a first time experiment, and now

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<v Speaker 7>that's twenty four to seven internet live coverage of developing.

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking more along the lines of like a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of times when stuff like you know, in the

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<v Speaker 3>era that we've grown up in, you kind of would

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<v Speaker 3>have to wait for a book on something to come out,

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<v Speaker 3>or you'd have to wait for a documentary to kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>But now everything's being like developed in real time as

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<v Speaker 3>stuff is just coming in and it's almost like a

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<v Speaker 3>one way it's almost like a because all you can

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<v Speaker 3>really analyze is what's on the interwebs, right, And so

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that was an interesting development. I was just

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<v Speaker 3>thinking about that as like we used to have to

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<v Speaker 3>wait for documentaries on specific subjects or books to be

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<v Speaker 3>written about subjects, but now it's all kind of happening

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<v Speaker 3>in real time as things happen.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and it's also annoying that. And I don't mind

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<v Speaker 7>people questioning the events, but it's also annoying that people

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<v Speaker 7>are seemingly coming up with their own creative stories to

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<v Speaker 7>get clicks in traction, sort of inventing conspiracies in real time.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not saying that that's necessarily what Candice is doing,

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<v Speaker 7>but I'm just saying, like Twitter, come now, it incentivizes

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<v Speaker 7>you constructing a hot clickbait narrative, which I see a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of profiles doing. Like there's one of these big

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<v Speaker 7>q tard profiles that does this where every event is

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<v Speaker 7>like they just post like the most ridiculous version of

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<v Speaker 7>whatever the event is and it gets like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>it might be boded too, but it gets you know,

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<v Speaker 7>hundreds of thousands millions of views. Don Luker he does that.

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<v Speaker 7>He just puts up like the most ridiculous shit. Also

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<v Speaker 7>would add to I remember in the f lam Ingdall

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<v Speaker 7>interview that I did, he says, I can't remember if

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<v Speaker 7>he says that it's only mentioned once or it never

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<v Speaker 7>comes up. But looking here at the page that mentions

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<v Speaker 7>actually mentions the Rockefellers in a very significant way here.

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<v Speaker 7>So I don't know if Ingdall was saying that quickly

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<v Speaker 7>downplays the role of the Rockefellers, or if he says

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<v Speaker 7>it's never mentioned, but they are mentioned in a significant

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<v Speaker 7>way on page nine fifty five. By the way, Owen,

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<v Speaker 7>what's up man, what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>Hello?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have a question about.

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<v Speaker 3>Being a being a debater.

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<v Speaker 14>So I'm a second year philosophy student, second year catechum

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<v Speaker 14>and hopefully going to be baptized soon enough here too.

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<v Speaker 14>And and you've been debating for many, many years, and

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<v Speaker 14>formal debates about philosophy theology, and but my current gripe

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<v Speaker 14>I think is very good. But more so, do I

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<v Speaker 14>have the personality for it? Do I have the skills

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<v Speaker 14>for it?

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<v Speaker 10>You know?

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<v Speaker 14>How do I go into a debate without you know,

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<v Speaker 14>getting too heated or frustrated when someone is hard headed

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<v Speaker 14>and doesn't understand what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm wondering what are some of.

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<v Speaker 14>Your advice, if if you have any as to moving

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<v Speaker 14>into being a debater, especially as an orthodox Christian as

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<v Speaker 14>some interested in philosophy.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, how do how would I go about that?

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<v Speaker 4>How would I think about that? Given your experience?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know how relevant that's going to be in

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<v Speaker 7>higher education.

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<v Speaker 4>I know that.

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<v Speaker 7>University has been moving away from the idea of people

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<v Speaker 7>being trained in rhetoric and debate because it's not amenable

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<v Speaker 7>to socialism and socialization, which is the path that they

439
00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 7>chose a long time ago. So, as far as I'm aware,

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<v Speaker 7>unless you're at a more elite sort of private school

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<v Speaker 7>or something, debate has been frowned upon and is gradually

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<v Speaker 7>going away. So I wouldn't think about that, Especially if

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<v Speaker 7>you're a heterosexual, white male. You're not going to be

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<v Speaker 7>welcomed in academia anyway, so you might as well just

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<v Speaker 7>not waste your time with that stuff. If you want

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<v Speaker 7>to engage in doing debates on your own. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>I would still learn philosophy and learn epistemology and learn

448
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<v Speaker 7>basic fallacies and logic and all that, because you're not

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<v Speaker 7>really going to be effective at debating without having those skills.

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<v Speaker 7>I would listen to listen to all of Greg Boonnson's

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<v Speaker 7>debates many times over. That will help you to get

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<v Speaker 7>fluent in it.

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<v Speaker 4>I would.

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<v Speaker 7>Also just do debates because there's really no way to

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<v Speaker 7>be effective and get good at it. What'sout doing it

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<v Speaker 7>a lot. Also doing it a lot helps you become

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<v Speaker 7>a better speaker and communicator. When I look back on

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<v Speaker 7>first internet debate I think I ever uploaded was like

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<v Speaker 7>twenty twelve, and it was a debate with a guy

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<v Speaker 7>from Facebook who was an evolutionary proponent. And although I've

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<v Speaker 7>done many debates before that at university on campus, walking

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<v Speaker 7>around in coffee shops, doing it in a recorded format,

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<v Speaker 7>it sounded terrible. I think it's I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 7>don't remember if it's still online or not. I might

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<v Speaker 7>have taken it down, but it's going to take you,

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<v Speaker 7>as I think, as most people say, with any subject matter,

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<v Speaker 7>ten years to get really good at something. So if

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<v Speaker 7>you really wants to debate, you would have to be,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, pretty much doing it consistently. And however you

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<v Speaker 7>want to try to set that up, you know, if

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<v Speaker 7>you're new, I would say, you know, start making YouTube

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<v Speaker 7>videos or Twitter spaces or discord spaces or discord voice

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<v Speaker 7>chats or whatever and recording them. And this is what

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<v Speaker 7>all the comedians have told me, by the way, which

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<v Speaker 7>is ironically the same thing I would say about what

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<v Speaker 7>you're trying to do. If you want to be good

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<v Speaker 7>at debate and public speaking and all that, begin to

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<v Speaker 7>record what you do and listen back to it. It's

479
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<v Speaker 7>going to get annoying, it's going to be pretty meticulous

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<v Speaker 7>and monotonous. But then when you listen and listen back,

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<v Speaker 7>try to focus on making your arguments and your points

482
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<v Speaker 7>more and more concise. One thing I've noticed that a

483
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<v Speaker 7>quality speaker and communicator has, and I still struggle with this.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not saying I'm perfect it, but I've gotten a

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<v Speaker 7>lot better at it is not rambling, not getting to

486
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<v Speaker 7>the point. Making the argument as clear and concise as

487
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<v Speaker 7>possible is essential to being a good communicator. A lot

488
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<v Speaker 7>of people when they call in and I'm not faulting you, guys,

489
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 7>because it takes many years and countless podcasts before you

490
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<v Speaker 7>get to be I think, pretty effective at talking and

491
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:26.039
<v Speaker 7>communicating and then it becomes second nature. And the comedians,

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<v Speaker 7>the stand ups that I've been talking to, they say

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<v Speaker 7>the same thing, right, they say, you know, come up

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<v Speaker 7>with a three to five minute set, record yourself doing it,

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<v Speaker 7>and then tweak it get better. It's the same for

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<v Speaker 7>probably any public speaking form of art. You want to

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<v Speaker 7>record it and get to where you tweak it and notice, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, I put in a bunch of and I

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<v Speaker 7>still do. Everybody does that. It's very, very difficult to

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<v Speaker 7>get rid of all your us It's just a significant

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00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:59.440
<v Speaker 7>challenge for anybody who does public speaking. So work on that.

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<v Speaker 7>And those are the best things I could think of.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you really like doing it and get into it,

504
00:44:07.880 --> 00:44:10.639
<v Speaker 7>you're just going to keep doing it, and that will

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<v Speaker 7>itself be the way that you sort of iron out

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<v Speaker 7>the kinks and get effective at it. And when it

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<v Speaker 7>comes to people getting on your nerves, that's never going

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<v Speaker 7>to stop, so you might as well get used to it.

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<v Speaker 7>There's never going to be this place where you reach

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<v Speaker 7>this elite status and you only interact with other high minded,

511
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<v Speaker 7>sophisticated philosophers, and the dialogue is very civil, and you're

512
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<v Speaker 7>always going to have idiots and people that are dumb,

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<v Speaker 7>and I think what you have to do is get

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<v Speaker 7>used to that and try as best you can to

515
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 7>have fun with it, especially if you're planning on becoming

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<v Speaker 7>a YouTube debater. But if you're thinking that you're going

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<v Speaker 7>to go into academia and become some sort of respected debater, no,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't even think that exists anymore, and especially not

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<v Speaker 7>if you're a waiga. If you'd like to become a

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<v Speaker 7>trans lesbian and become a Muslim and roll around in

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<v Speaker 7>a wheelchair and identify as a transabled lesbian Muslim debater,

522
00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:21.239
<v Speaker 7>you probably could be successful in the university racket. Jeff,

523
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:27.960
<v Speaker 7>what's up. I'm a transabled lesbian Muslim public speaking debater

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<v Speaker 7>and I charged fifty thousand dollars per minute to speak

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<v Speaker 7>at your university. Yep, Hey, she was just.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking about debating.

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<v Speaker 15>I got into the debate because of you and just

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<v Speaker 15>listening to tag arguments. I recently had a debate go

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<v Speaker 15>Jimbob like reviewed it. It's called an atheist host loses

530
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<v Speaker 15>his shit and it's really it's a really I mean,

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<v Speaker 15>it's super funny, and that's what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 15>It's like a I'm kind of sad, but at the

533
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<v Speaker 15>same time, I get why you don't do TAG because

534
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<v Speaker 15>it becomes so repetitive.

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<v Speaker 7>Well it's not that I don't, I'm just not in

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<v Speaker 7>the mood lately to do it. I'd like to talk

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<v Speaker 7>about some other things. And when I start spending a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of time talking about TAG, you know, hundreds of

539
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 7>people leave and they don't understand the verbiage. It's like

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<v Speaker 7>you're it's like you're describing, you know, the inner workings

541
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<v Speaker 7>of the iPhone, you know, right, and people are just

542
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<v Speaker 7>they tune out so well.

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<v Speaker 15>It becomes like a lecture and you're educating the other person.

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<v Speaker 15>But I guess what I would say is like, like

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<v Speaker 15>maybe if you just start more like having fun with

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<v Speaker 15>it and just kind of teasing them, because like this

547
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<v Speaker 15>guy's reaction, I wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Expecting at and it was I mean, it was like gold.

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<v Speaker 15>And when I started watching you, some of these atheist

550
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<v Speaker 15>reactions can be some of the funniest, like and just

551
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.400
<v Speaker 15>be like the most entertaining because they really will argue

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<v Speaker 15>and then at the end they're like, yeah, well I'm

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<v Speaker 15>a chair. I'm an automan basically, and it's it's like,

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<v Speaker 15>how are you talking to me?

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<v Speaker 13>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>That's usually how I'll start it.

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<v Speaker 15>I'm like, cool, so are you an automan?

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<v Speaker 7>Are you a chair?

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<v Speaker 3>They'll say no, of course not, and.

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<v Speaker 15>Then at the end of it they're like, well, I

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<v Speaker 15>guess I guess you are.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 15>So that's going to hang up because it's like when

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<v Speaker 15>I don't talk to ottomans.

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<v Speaker 7>That's funny. Yeah, I mean I think also, debate nowadays

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<v Speaker 7>is kind of entertainment, which I don't really care. I mean,

567
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<v Speaker 7>you know, I can't really control it. So you know,

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<v Speaker 7>classical formal Oxford style debates are not very prominent what

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<v Speaker 7>we have, and I don't again, I'm not knocking it right.

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<v Speaker 7>The bloodsports stuff is entertaining. It's fun. I'm happy to

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<v Speaker 7>do it.

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<v Speaker 16>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>We did that with Tim Gordon on Timcast. We did

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<v Speaker 7>that with Not So Erudite on whatever podcast. Those are

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<v Speaker 7>blood sport debates and they're entertaining, but they're not real

576
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<v Speaker 7>debates because I mean, anybody in a real debate setting

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<v Speaker 7>where hit an actual moderator. I mean not so Erudit

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<v Speaker 7>wouldn't even make it in the door like it. It

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<v Speaker 7>would be like thrown out like a judge throws out

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<v Speaker 7>a court case or something. But yeah, I guess. I

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<v Speaker 7>mean again, the thing is, I think for TAG it

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<v Speaker 7>needs to kind of be its own topic because it

583
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<v Speaker 7>just ends up dominating and it ends up being thirty

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<v Speaker 7>forty minute explanations to people. And you know, we've done

585
00:48:12.400 --> 00:48:15.519
<v Speaker 7>thousands of hours of TAG stuff, probably on the channel,

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<v Speaker 7>and so it just gets old. I get tired of

587
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.000
<v Speaker 7>the same debate. It's the same with the papos I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>how many times do we have to debate the same

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00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:25.559
<v Speaker 7>old papacy stuff, the same old quote minds that have

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00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:29.559
<v Speaker 7>been addressed. I mean, I've been seeing the papacy quote

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<v Speaker 7>mind stuff addressed all the way back to when Jerry

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<v Speaker 7>Matditis and Greg Bonson debated the papacy in two thousand

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<v Speaker 7>or nineteen ninety eight or whenever they have that debate,

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<v Speaker 7>and the debate has progressed little to none since then.

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<v Speaker 7>It's the same debate. Every one of these papecy debates

596
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<v Speaker 7>is the exact same debate. It's the exact same copy

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<v Speaker 7>paste Catholic Answers stuff and the Catholic Answers copy paste shit.

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<v Speaker 7>Is it's like the same probably the same web page

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<v Speaker 7>since two thousand and three when I first first started

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<v Speaker 7>looking into this topic, or two thousand and one, I

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<v Speaker 7>should say, So you know, I'm over all that shit,

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<v Speaker 7>Like if you find that interesting, then really you're just

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<v Speaker 7>a nube to these topics. And you know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>shitting on you. If you if you want to go

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<v Speaker 7>have that twenty plus year old debate, then.

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<v Speaker 3>Go do it.

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<v Speaker 7>Like I'm tired of it. I've been I've been there,

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00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 7>done that, yeah, and I mean play It's just it's

609
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<v Speaker 7>a weird time. Everything is kind of morphing into entertainment.

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<v Speaker 11>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>That's why I was happy to write and work with

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<v Speaker 7>Ryan and everybody for sam Hide is like, if you

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<v Speaker 7>want to reach the culture, that's sam Hi. Sam Hi

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<v Speaker 7>is going to reach a lot more people than I

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<v Speaker 7>don't know, some boring debate, bro right, Like debating is

616
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<v Speaker 7>I mean outside of the entertainment aspect of it, Like

617
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<v Speaker 7>nobody cares about that. So you know, if you want,

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<v Speaker 7>if you're in serending the tag stuff, I mean there's

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<v Speaker 7>a a I mean you could spend the next six

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<v Speaker 7>months to a year in my archive listening and going

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<v Speaker 7>through tag stuff. So anyway, Jordan, what's up. Imagine if

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<v Speaker 7>you were a guitar teacher and you know, people were

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<v Speaker 7>wanting to learn, Oh, teach me the solo in the

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<v Speaker 7>Cars song, teach me the solo from Metallica's whatever gay

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<v Speaker 7>song that Metallica. Like, if you were a guitar teacher,

626
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<v Speaker 7>you would be just sick of teaching this and you

627
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<v Speaker 7>would be like, look, just go watch my video on

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<v Speaker 7>how to play the solo from Inner Sandman or whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't even know if it has the solo, but

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<v Speaker 7>you know what I'm saying, it's just like please, that's

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<v Speaker 7>you know, imagine it. Or imagine if your Metallica and

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<v Speaker 7>all the fans want to hear the same dumb ass

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<v Speaker 7>song and the same solo, and you're like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I wrote a new riff. They're like, we don't want it,

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<v Speaker 7>we want to hear innertandment wouldn't you get tired of

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<v Speaker 7>the same thing over and over and over and over?

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<v Speaker 7>But I guess that's just you know kind of how.

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<v Speaker 4>It is, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Musicians do get paired of that.

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<v Speaker 6>By the way, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Humans in general will be tired of the same same

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<v Speaker 7>thing you're I mean your guitar, man, Like, what what

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<v Speaker 7>do you find annoying about? Like I don't know if

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<v Speaker 7>you teach anybody guitar or anything, but like, what what

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<v Speaker 7>do you what do you find annoying about this? From

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<v Speaker 7>your from A?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's very similar. I think it's very similar

648
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<v Speaker 3>to this realm is that there's like a lot of

649
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<v Speaker 3>people don't take stuff like that seriously. Like music for

650
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<v Speaker 3>most people is kind of like something you hear at

651
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<v Speaker 3>the grocery store or you're in the car. But I think,

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<v Speaker 3>I think what what people do get annoyed with? Which

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<v Speaker 3>is which? I think the difference here would be like

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<v Speaker 3>like with you when you get upset or not upset,

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<v Speaker 3>but annoyed with people asking about PSA, it's because they

656
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<v Speaker 3>haven't put any effort into going back into the archives

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<v Speaker 3>and finding it. They just say, oh, man, who argued

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<v Speaker 3>for PSA on Twitter? I go ask questions instead of

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<v Speaker 3>doing any research into the background of Hey, maybe I

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<v Speaker 3>can go find the answer out for myself. That's probably

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<v Speaker 3>one aspect to it. And it's kind of similar with

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<v Speaker 3>the with the music because I think musicians who get popular.

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<v Speaker 3>They get annoyed that people don't look at their back catalogs.

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<v Speaker 7>They only like the hit song oh yeah, yeah, okay yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think if you were teaching guitar too, you

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<v Speaker 7>would you would sort of feel out whether the person

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<v Speaker 7>was really that serious about guitar, right, they would, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>they would be interested in learning more than I would

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<v Speaker 7>play the solo from a kiss, you know, some some

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<v Speaker 7>stupid kiss song, like you know, there's more to this

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<v Speaker 7>than this solo or or say, in the in the

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<v Speaker 7>domain of debating, like there's more to debating than figuring

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<v Speaker 7>out a few linguistic tricks or traps, right, Like I

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<v Speaker 7>think when people first learn TAG, they think, oh, this

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<v Speaker 7>is this cool trick I can use on everybody that

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<v Speaker 7>I debates. And then you know you're going to eventually

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<v Speaker 7>encounter a really intelligent atheist who's aware of transcendental arguments,

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<v Speaker 7>and they're going to know where you're going and that

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<v Speaker 7>that trick is not going to work, right, it's not.

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<v Speaker 7>There's no tricks that are going to be able to

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<v Speaker 7>prepare you for.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, an atheist who is very familiar with David

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<v Speaker 7>Hume and with Kant and with these other philosophers who

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<v Speaker 7>will then bring in other challenges or other positions that

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<v Speaker 7>you're not aware of when you say you're a new

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<v Speaker 7>to philosophy and you know, probably something similar in guitar,

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<v Speaker 7>where maybe you've learned all the you know, major chords

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<v Speaker 7>and then you've begun to learn some of the you know,

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<v Speaker 7>sophisticated solos or something I don't know, and then you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>I've got you know, I'm a guitar expert. Then you

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<v Speaker 7>meet somebody who blows you away or something.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>This is I think the arts in general are this way,

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<v Speaker 7>and philosophy is one of the arts. But anyway, Jordan,

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<v Speaker 7>what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so man, I just had like a quick,

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<v Speaker 3>like quick question on Mary.

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<v Speaker 17>So I was reading through Saint John Damascus and Singer

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<v Speaker 17>your Pala Moss. And when I read Singer at Paula

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<v Speaker 17>Moss Homilies, it says that none of the gifts can

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<v Speaker 17>be just stowed except your and that she's the she

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<v Speaker 17>distills O guess well, it's angles with the men, and

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<v Speaker 17>when I resent it on the masks as well, that

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<v Speaker 17>she generates statement nature of Christ and gives them human attributes.

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<v Speaker 17>So could it be proper to say that since Mary

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<v Speaker 17>cooperated with the with Christ, say humanity, can we say

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<v Speaker 17>in the sense that she's a co redemptrics.

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<v Speaker 7>I just am hesitant to use the terminology that's popular

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<v Speaker 7>amongst modern Roman Catholics. So it's not even a question

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<v Speaker 7>of it's just a question of whether it's wise and

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<v Speaker 7>profitable to use those kinds of terms. So it's the

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<v Speaker 7>same with like transubstantiation. If you read the ex fonti

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<v Speaker 7>bas translation of John Damascus, it uses the term transubstantiation.

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<v Speaker 7>It's a Roman Catholic translation.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it wrong?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, not necessarily, but it brings a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>baggage that people just assume come with that terminology. Oh

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<v Speaker 7>say John Damascus sentiations, that's all the medieval discussions packed

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<v Speaker 7>into that urn. Well, not necessarily, So it's it's also

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<v Speaker 7>a question of propriety beyond like can we use this word?

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<v Speaker 7>Sometimes it's not wise to use a word, even if

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<v Speaker 7>the word is okay. I'm trying to think of another example.

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<v Speaker 7>For example, I could say, in a limited sense, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>you're saved by faith, okay, But a Protestant might hear

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<v Speaker 7>that and be like, oh see that's faith alone, and

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<v Speaker 7>you'll notice Protestants when they quote mind the Church Fathers,

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<v Speaker 7>for example, they'll find a phrase where, oh, look, Saint

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<v Speaker 7>Clement says you're saved by grace. See that's solo grassia.

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<v Speaker 7>That's Reformation teaching. Well, that's not equivalent to a modern

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<v Speaker 7>post Enlightenment post Reformation quote development read back into the

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<v Speaker 7>ancient world. So it's UNWHI sometimes to use loaded language,

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<v Speaker 7>even if the language is technically not not wrong. Then

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<v Speaker 7>what's up.

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<v Speaker 3>You there?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah? Hello, what's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh? A j S.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a question about evolution and how that's compatible

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<v Speaker 4>with the Bible. Okay, So like, what's your view on it?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 7>I've dressed that many times. It's not compatible with the Bible,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's not compatible with the Sex Secumentical Council, And

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<v Speaker 7>evolution is a stupid worldview.

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<v Speaker 18>M hm.

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<v Speaker 4>And like, do you have any life evidence of the

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<v Speaker 4>justification for evolution not being true?

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<v Speaker 7>Sure? Where is the proof of the evidence that one

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<v Speaker 7>species transmutes into another species?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that's microevolution over time?

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<v Speaker 7>No, No, that's the leap. See that's not justified by

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<v Speaker 7>the fact that within one species or grouping there is

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<v Speaker 7>a minor modification to suddenly the RNA prints an entirely

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<v Speaker 7>different code to create a different creature. So that's the

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<v Speaker 7>thing that you just leaped to. That's not justified. Have

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<v Speaker 7>you observed that, by the way, where was the empirical

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<v Speaker 7>observation of Because there's flies in a jar that you

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<v Speaker 7>looked at over a period of weeks or months, that suddenly,

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<v Speaker 7>now that's going to give you cockroaches if you give

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<v Speaker 7>it enough time. That's the illegitimate leap.

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<v Speaker 4>Just just can't clarify. I'm not atheist. I'm just asking

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<v Speaker 4>from an atheistic perspective, because I get that a lot.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, So where is the empirical justification for that?

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm very sure I can say that, right, So.

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<v Speaker 7>When an atheist comes and gives me signific justification and

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<v Speaker 7>evidence that they observed the very thing that's in question,

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<v Speaker 7>the transmutation of species, then I'll listen to an atheist.

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<v Speaker 7>Until then, it's literally just magical worldview ancient Hindu paganism,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's literally identical to ancient Hinduism. Penguin, what's up?

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<v Speaker 7>But thank you very question. I wasn't being rude to you.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just We've addressed this many times Penguin. What's up?

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<v Speaker 7>Low energy?

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<v Speaker 3>Can I just had I had a question.

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<v Speaker 11>You've probably got this before me, you know sometimes, but

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<v Speaker 11>what are your thoughts on the patriarch of Constantinople?

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<v Speaker 7>And have a whole podcasts on this, So guys go

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<v Speaker 7>into the archives. I think that Bartholomew is a subject

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<v Speaker 7>to the State Department and it's unfortunate. And Jim Jodtris

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<v Speaker 7>wrote articles years ago about how he was probably bought

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<v Speaker 7>off by MI some dollars. Could you have me some coffee?

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 19>I'm getting the audience is saying it's low energy, very

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<v Speaker 19>low energy, probably not very high energy, probably.

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<v Speaker 1>Not low energy.

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<v Speaker 7>What's up? Man, I'm trying to wake up. I can't

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<v Speaker 7>even do my trump correctly. What's up? Theology? Person?

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01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:18.119
<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm mute? Go you there? All right?

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<v Speaker 3>So first off, got a catechum in question.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, guys, when you when you call in, ask your question.

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<v Speaker 7>Don't tell me that you have a just ask the question.

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<v Speaker 7>What's up? Go ahead? Are you there? I think we

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<v Speaker 7>lost you. Can you hear me? Come out and come

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01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:55.000
<v Speaker 7>back in. I want to hear your question. There wasn't

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<v Speaker 7>being rude to you, just gut it. So, Look, you

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<v Speaker 7>don't have to do the whole I appreciate if you

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01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:05.079
<v Speaker 7>like the content, that's cool. Just go ahead and ask

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01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:10.280
<v Speaker 7>the question. And remember, when you're communicating, be concise, be clear,

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<v Speaker 7>be direct. You don't have to ramble. Just you know,

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<v Speaker 7>make your statement, make your argument. If you want to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 7>I want to give me about thirty seconds, give me

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<v Speaker 7>a minute, give me five minutes. I'm going to make

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<v Speaker 7>an argument. That's fine too, Carl, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 7>What's that?

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<v Speaker 13>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>Hi?

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<v Speaker 20>So could you please expand on the idea of God

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<v Speaker 20>only entering creation through pure objects or beings. For example,

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<v Speaker 20>Mary being full of grace, the burning bush of the

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<v Speaker 20>arc of the Covenant.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't. I mean, the burning bush isn't a pure object.

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<v Speaker 7>It's just a bush.

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<v Speaker 20>So what do you mean pure purifying being that it

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<v Speaker 20>was burning but not consumed. This is where I'm kind

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<v Speaker 20>of confused about it.

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<v Speaker 7>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 3>So? I guess it comes more into.

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<v Speaker 20>More questions about the trinity, because if God can.

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<v Speaker 3>Only enter creation through pure objects.

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<v Speaker 7>Or beings, I'm not sure what you keep saying pure

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<v Speaker 7>objects for beings?

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<v Speaker 13>I don't.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't even think that's necessarily the case. God can

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<v Speaker 7>enter creation anywhere at any time. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 7>like it's not like the dirt in Israel was cleaner

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<v Speaker 7>than the dirt in China. So you talking about morally pure,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean he entered into the Theotokis in a special

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<v Speaker 7>way because he intended to be born from her, and

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<v Speaker 7>thus he purified her by his grace. So there's different

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<v Speaker 7>senses in which God is present, in which he comes

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<v Speaker 7>into creation. But there's nothing about bushes or trees that

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<v Speaker 7>makes it somehow magically better than other bushes and trees,

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<v Speaker 7>other than the divine presence itself.

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<v Speaker 20>Okay, I have one other question, and that I attend

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<v Speaker 20>an ocaight Greek Orthodox parish, and I've noticed on the

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<v Speaker 20>OCA website that the person that Joshua meets before the

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<v Speaker 20>Battle Jericho is claimed to be Saint Michael, but on

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<v Speaker 20>the go Arch website it's the pre and current of Jesus.

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<v Speaker 20>So I'm just wondering why there's a discrepancy there.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, Well, not everybody in the Orthodox world is very

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<v Speaker 7>proficient in theology. Some people are not, and so they

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<v Speaker 7>see the word angel, and like many Protestants or many

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<v Speaker 7>other people, they think it just means an angel like Michael,

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<v Speaker 7>but the word angel just means a messenger. Also, though,

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<v Speaker 7>there's many places in the Old Testament when God is

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<v Speaker 7>present and the angels are too, So for example, in

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<v Speaker 7>Ezekiel one and Ezekiel ten or at Mount Sinai, there's

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<v Speaker 7>passages to talk about angels being present and other passions

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<v Speaker 7>to talk about the divine Son or the One like

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01:03:55.639 --> 01:03:58.360
<v Speaker 7>the Glory of the Father, et cetera, being present. So

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01:03:58.480 --> 01:04:02.400
<v Speaker 7>it's a both. And anytime Christ is present, the hosts

852
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 7>of the Lord, the Lord of Savio are also president,

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01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:15.920
<v Speaker 7>so both things are true. We can't hear you your

854
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:23.800
<v Speaker 7>roboting and what's a right wing go ahead? I'm you, Hey,

855
01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:25.400
<v Speaker 7>I just had a question.

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<v Speaker 21>I was I was talking to somebody about the phrase

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01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:33.320
<v Speaker 21>Judeo Christian. They're they were a Baptist, and I was

858
01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:36.840
<v Speaker 21>making the claim that the root idea is hypocritical because

859
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:41.239
<v Speaker 21>of dispensationalism, and uh, they're come back to me, which

860
01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.800
<v Speaker 21>they just kept saying that it was more of a

861
01:04:43.880 --> 01:04:46.440
<v Speaker 21>moral argument, talking about, you know, the Ten Commandments, a

862
01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 21>cultural thing. And then I when when I asked them

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01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:53.119
<v Speaker 21>who they thought Israel was. Do they think Israel current Israel.

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01:04:52.880 --> 01:04:53.400
<v Speaker 7>Is the Church?

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<v Speaker 21>They didn't agree, so down that line of question, and

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01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:00.639
<v Speaker 21>how could I bring them back to to understand the

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01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:06.800
<v Speaker 21>hypocrisy of the actual dispensational argument itself.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean, I have a whole four hour talking

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01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:12.840
<v Speaker 7>dispensationalism that I recently shared that you can find on

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01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:16.400
<v Speaker 7>my clips channel or on Jimbob's channel. You can point

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01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:18.880
<v Speaker 7>out Galatians six sixteen. You can point out Galatians three

872
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:20.960
<v Speaker 7>and four is very clear that the Church is Israel

873
01:05:21.000 --> 01:05:23.440
<v Speaker 7>Peter and one. Peter two says you are a holy nation,

874
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.760
<v Speaker 7>chosen people, applying all the statements of Israel to the Church.

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01:05:27.320 --> 01:05:30.320
<v Speaker 7>Jesus says in Matthew twenty one that the Kingdom of

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01:05:30.360 --> 01:05:32.679
<v Speaker 7>God will be taken from you and given to a

877
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:35.159
<v Speaker 7>nation producing the frust thereof. So the Kingdom of God,

878
01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:39.000
<v Speaker 7>which is the Church coorne of Matthew sixteen, is not

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01:05:39.320 --> 01:05:43.320
<v Speaker 7>Israel in a flesh sense. It's the Church again Galatians four. Troy,

880
01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:52.440
<v Speaker 7>what's up, Jay?

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<v Speaker 22>I've got a follow up question after this first question.

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01:05:56.760 --> 01:06:01.119
<v Speaker 22>Since you're understanding that dispensationalists believe that the non believing

883
01:06:01.239 --> 01:06:04.159
<v Speaker 22>gentiles during the rack or the racker go to Hell,

884
01:06:04.599 --> 01:06:07.960
<v Speaker 22>the believing gentiles go to Heaven and all the Jews

885
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:13.039
<v Speaker 22>get basically multiple chances to believe and accept Jesus until

886
01:06:13.079 --> 01:06:13.960
<v Speaker 22>they all go to heaven.

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01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:17.239
<v Speaker 7>I mean, there's not one set dispensationalism. There's many different

888
01:06:17.239 --> 01:06:21.480
<v Speaker 7>dismensationalist positions. So I'm sure you could find some dispensationals

889
01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:24.840
<v Speaker 7>who thinks that even all the Jews automatically are saved,

890
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:26.559
<v Speaker 7>but maybe they don't go to heaven they live in

891
01:06:26.599 --> 01:06:29.280
<v Speaker 7>any earthly kingdom. I mean, there's all kinds of retarded positions.

892
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.800
<v Speaker 7>So I don't know how even to answer your question.

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01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:36.320
<v Speaker 22>Yes, I'll give you the That's what my uncle, who

894
01:06:36.400 --> 01:06:39.079
<v Speaker 22>is a Pentecostal pastor, that's what he explained to me

895
01:06:39.159 --> 01:06:39.440
<v Speaker 22>how he.

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01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:40.639
<v Speaker 7>Believes which one.

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01:06:40.719 --> 01:06:41.159
<v Speaker 14>So I went to.

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01:06:43.000 --> 01:06:46.599
<v Speaker 22>That all Jews will remain on earth until they accept

899
01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:47.800
<v Speaker 22>Jesus and then go into Heaven.

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01:06:47.880 --> 01:06:51.800
<v Speaker 7>So they basically I've heard some of them say that, right, yeah, yeah.

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01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:55.079
<v Speaker 22>So I went through this questioning with him, like, so,

902
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:59.000
<v Speaker 22>how could you be a Christian and ever feel comfortable

903
01:06:59.039 --> 01:07:02.840
<v Speaker 22>converting a jud degree Christanity knowing that you could possibly

904
01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:04.039
<v Speaker 22>be damning them if.

905
01:07:03.880 --> 01:07:04.679
<v Speaker 7>They become a Christian?

906
01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Ye?

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01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.000
<v Speaker 22>Yeah, And after all this explaining and everything, they still

908
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:12.719
<v Speaker 22>I've got this is a huge problem for me because

909
01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:15.159
<v Speaker 22>like I have a big family, and I can count

910
01:07:15.199 --> 01:07:18.360
<v Speaker 22>the number of Pentecostal pastors they believe in this bull crap.

911
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:20.679
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there's more of them than I.

912
01:07:20.679 --> 01:07:24.480
<v Speaker 22>Have fears and toes, and you just at the end

913
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.599
<v Speaker 22>of every discussion, they still somehow convince themselves and it's

914
01:07:27.719 --> 01:07:28.639
<v Speaker 22>just beyond me.

915
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.559
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you know, it's just a lot of these positions

916
01:07:33.679 --> 01:07:39.760
<v Speaker 7>people have emotional attachments to them. They have you know,

917
01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:42.480
<v Speaker 7>they feel like when they came to this position, they

918
01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:47.719
<v Speaker 7>were really making headway and they really figured everything out,

919
01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:50.559
<v Speaker 7>and so there's this attachment that you know, I can't

920
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:52.920
<v Speaker 7>let that go because you know, that would just shake

921
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:57.199
<v Speaker 7>the paradigm. And even I think Jordan Peterson had a

922
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:00.199
<v Speaker 7>good talk about this about paradigms and what happens when

923
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.360
<v Speaker 7>we have a paradigm shakeup, and he says it's like

924
01:08:03.440 --> 01:08:08.000
<v Speaker 7>a death. He says that the actual psychosomatic responses that

925
01:08:08.079 --> 01:08:14.639
<v Speaker 7>people have when their paradigm collapses is like a small death,

926
01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:17.479
<v Speaker 7>and there's a process that you have to go through

927
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:20.159
<v Speaker 7>because you know, nobody wants to die. And so when

928
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:24.880
<v Speaker 7>we have that collapse of a worldview, there's certain emotional

929
01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:30.239
<v Speaker 7>and psychological processes that were forced into that are difficult tough.

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01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:31.840
<v Speaker 3>You know.

931
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:36.000
<v Speaker 7>For example, when my best friend from high school died

932
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:39.239
<v Speaker 7>a few months ago and we buried him, like the

933
01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:45.279
<v Speaker 7>day that I learned of that, and the next day

934
01:08:45.520 --> 01:08:53.520
<v Speaker 7>I was was empty. I felt deflated, empty, and there

935
01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:56.760
<v Speaker 7>was nothing I could do to control that feeling. You

936
01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:01.000
<v Speaker 7>just automatically get the feeling and there's nothing you can

937
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:03.720
<v Speaker 7>do too. I mean, you can pray and you can

938
01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:06.760
<v Speaker 7>you can deal with it, but like you can't make

939
01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:09.359
<v Speaker 7>that go like I will this to go away. Right, So,

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01:09:09.800 --> 01:09:14.279
<v Speaker 7>in the same way, when people's worldviews collapse, there's a

941
01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:19.760
<v Speaker 7>similar death process or death like process. And I think

942
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:26.600
<v Speaker 7>Peterson was correct when he makes that point. So I

943
01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:29.760
<v Speaker 7>think when when we when we look at ruman caffolicts

944
01:09:29.800 --> 01:09:32.079
<v Speaker 7>that get so upset and they lash out, or the

945
01:09:32.359 --> 01:09:35.600
<v Speaker 7>Pentecostals that we try to talk to, or the dispensationalists

946
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:36.840
<v Speaker 7>when we try to reason with them.

947
01:09:36.800 --> 01:09:36.880
<v Speaker 3>And.

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<v Speaker 7>We've all we're all that way. This is just what

949
01:09:42.439 --> 01:09:49.760
<v Speaker 7>happens to humans. Humans aren't the way that Enlightenment philosophers

950
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:52.159
<v Speaker 7>think they you know, enlighten the philosophers are like, oh,

951
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:56.159
<v Speaker 7>we are blank slates, that are you know ultimately purely

952
01:09:56.319 --> 01:10:00.359
<v Speaker 7>rational beings that will just make the rational correct choice

953
01:10:00.439 --> 01:10:03.520
<v Speaker 7>on the basis of stocking up the evidences. And no,

954
01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:06.920
<v Speaker 7>when you read you know C. S. Lewis's Space Trilogy,

955
01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:09.279
<v Speaker 7>the whole one of the main points of part three

956
01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:12.640
<v Speaker 7>is that we're not that way. We don't actually follow

957
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:16.479
<v Speaker 7>the evidence. In fact, we lie about and hide evidences

958
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:20.640
<v Speaker 7>so that we can confirm our biases. That's the whole

959
01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:23.960
<v Speaker 7>point of the character Mark in the book, which is

960
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.439
<v Speaker 7>a refutation by the way of evidentialism. So I tried

961
01:10:27.479 --> 01:10:30.960
<v Speaker 7>to tell Trent Horne, like, have you not read Space Trilogy?

962
01:10:31.000 --> 01:10:35.159
<v Speaker 7>Do not understand C. S. Lewis's point with the character

963
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:37.640
<v Speaker 7>of Mark. By the way, I wanted to remind you guys,

964
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:41.199
<v Speaker 7>as I was reading Hagai the other day, I didn't

965
01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:44.119
<v Speaker 7>even like, I just realized this reading this because I

966
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.279
<v Speaker 7>was listening to these podcasts about inflation and bitcoin and

967
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:54.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, Fabianism and Keynesianism, and I noticed that when

968
01:10:54.680 --> 01:11:01.039
<v Speaker 7>God says this in verse five and six here, so

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01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:07.800
<v Speaker 7>it's kind of the the rebuke here is applicable to

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01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:12.800
<v Speaker 7>a lot of the people who put politics above you

971
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.520
<v Speaker 7>getting right with God or something like that. Right this

972
01:11:17.079 --> 01:11:21.000
<v Speaker 7>chapter is actually about that, because the Israelites are putting

973
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:26.079
<v Speaker 7>all their political concerns first political alliances and dynasty alliances

974
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<v Speaker 7>and this and that, and God is saying, you've neglected

975
01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:34.239
<v Speaker 7>the actual house of God. Right, So if you look

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01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:37.159
<v Speaker 7>at verse three, the word of the Lord came by

977
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<v Speaker 7>Hagai saying it is time? Is it time for you

978
01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:43.600
<v Speaker 7>to dwell in paneled houses and this temple to lie

979
01:11:43.680 --> 01:11:46.800
<v Speaker 7>in ruins. They're concerned with their own house building and

980
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:50.560
<v Speaker 7>all that. Right, consider your ways. You sew a lot,

981
01:11:50.840 --> 01:11:54.600
<v Speaker 7>but you bring in little. So in other words, Israel

982
01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.640
<v Speaker 7>is experiencing economic decline. You eat, but you don't have enough.

983
01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:02.399
<v Speaker 7>You drink but you're fulfilled. You clothe yourself, but no

984
01:12:02.479 --> 01:12:07.680
<v Speaker 7>one is warm. He that earns wages earns wages to

985
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:12.399
<v Speaker 7>put in a bag with holes. That's inflation. So Israel's

986
01:12:12.439 --> 01:12:18.159
<v Speaker 7>experiencing economic collapse and decline, which is tied to their

987
01:12:18.600 --> 01:12:23.119
<v Speaker 7>moral and spiritual decline. And I've never even.

988
01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:31.840
<v Speaker 19>Noticed that hat guy talks about this. By the way, anyway,

989
01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:34.119
<v Speaker 19>I thought that was interesting.

990
01:12:36.199 --> 01:12:48.359
<v Speaker 7>Thank you. So hot guy is saying, by Dicklin, laplace, laplace.

991
01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:54.840
<v Speaker 7>By the way, I'm not here to be preacher today.

992
01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:59.560
<v Speaker 7>I'm not a preacher. Friends hat guys telling us to

993
01:12:59.680 --> 01:13:05.840
<v Speaker 7>buy that going what's up on you and mine? I'm

994
01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:13.840
<v Speaker 7>you doll, Hag I won six and seven? Or excuse me, Hag,

995
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:17.920
<v Speaker 7>I won six here, Yes, sir, awesome.

996
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:19.199
<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

997
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:21.439
<v Speaker 4>I just got a quick question.

998
01:13:22.119 --> 01:13:25.000
<v Speaker 23>I've been dealing with a family member that's been kind

999
01:13:25.039 --> 01:13:30.159
<v Speaker 23>of like a long time Sabbatarian, so the Adventist, and

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01:13:30.760 --> 01:13:33.800
<v Speaker 23>I think they come from a good place, like they

1001
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:37.319
<v Speaker 23>read the Bible, and they just don't see anything clear

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01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:40.680
<v Speaker 23>in the New Testament to them that makes them think

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01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:45.039
<v Speaker 23>that the way in which we keep the Sabbath has changed.

1004
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.239
<v Speaker 4>You know, they kind of default back to the job

1005
01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:50.520
<v Speaker 4>no John and tittle of this will change.

1006
01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:54.560
<v Speaker 3>And I think they just they just are unable to

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01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:56.199
<v Speaker 3>see any.

1008
01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:59.520
<v Speaker 23>Clear passages that allow them to make the jumps, so

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<v Speaker 23>they don't.

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01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:01.079
<v Speaker 7>I was curious.

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01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:03.319
<v Speaker 10>I know you've touched on this a few times historically,

1012
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:04.279
<v Speaker 10>but was curious.

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01:14:04.039 --> 01:14:07.079
<v Speaker 23>If you could just give kind of like an in

1014
01:14:07.199 --> 01:14:09.560
<v Speaker 23>depth breakdown of your view.

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01:14:10.800 --> 01:14:14.239
<v Speaker 7>All right, So the Book of Hebrews is addressing this specifically.

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01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:17.720
<v Speaker 7>Hebrews four one through eight is about not just the

1017
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:19.880
<v Speaker 7>way in which we keep the Sabbath, but the entire

1018
01:14:20.039 --> 01:14:24.439
<v Speaker 7>meaning of the Sabbath, and all Judaizers end up being

1019
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:28.399
<v Speaker 7>retrograde in their understanding of theology, and that the things

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01:14:28.479 --> 01:14:32.359
<v Speaker 7>that were typological that have been fulfilled the reality has come.

1021
01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:34.600
<v Speaker 7>Oh no, we got to go back to the type now,

1022
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:36.640
<v Speaker 7>even though the reality is here. The whole point of

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01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:40.600
<v Speaker 7>Hebrews is that the rest has come. And this is

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01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:43.479
<v Speaker 7>something when I was Protestant I didn't understand until the

1025
01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:47.560
<v Speaker 7>other day. I was actually in the Orthodox liturgy, actually

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01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:51.239
<v Speaker 7>I think it was it was Holy Weak, and I

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01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:55.399
<v Speaker 7>never noticed that the fulfillment of the Sabbath is Christ

1028
01:14:55.760 --> 01:15:00.279
<v Speaker 7>laying in the tomb. That rest is the rest that

1029
01:15:00.399 --> 01:15:05.439
<v Speaker 7>fulfills the Jewish seventh day Sabbath. So and by the way,

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01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:07.920
<v Speaker 7>in the Orthodox Church, if you go to the Saturday

1031
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:11.680
<v Speaker 7>Vesper's service, we do still honor the seventh day Sabbath.

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01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:14.039
<v Speaker 7>So it's not the case that we don't honor the

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01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:16.439
<v Speaker 7>seventh day Sabbath. We do, but we give greater honor

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01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:20.039
<v Speaker 7>to the eternal rest which has come in the resurrection

1035
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:24.600
<v Speaker 7>of Christ. And thus his resting in the tomb fulfilled

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01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:27.439
<v Speaker 7>that rest. So the rest that he brought is the

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<v Speaker 7>rest of eternal rest. And that's why John in the

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<v Speaker 7>Book of Revelation when he sees into heaven and he's

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<v Speaker 7>doing the liturgy. If you read Revelation five through nine,

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01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:42.560
<v Speaker 7>he is seeing the heavenly liturgical service happening. That same

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01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:46.000
<v Speaker 7>service is what he's performing on earth. That's why he says,

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01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:48.800
<v Speaker 7>I was in the spirit on the Lord's Day. The

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01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:52.600
<v Speaker 7>Lord's Day is not the seventh day Jewish Sabbath. The

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01:15:52.680 --> 01:15:56.079
<v Speaker 7>Lord's Day is the first day of the week, the

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01:15:56.159 --> 01:15:58.840
<v Speaker 7>day of the resurrection, and that's the day that we

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01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:05.439
<v Speaker 7>do the liturgy via Revelation five through eight, and no

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<v Speaker 7>seven day. I've been just understands any of that because

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<v Speaker 7>they're a judaizing sect. Layman, what's up?

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<v Speaker 11>Hello?

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<v Speaker 20>Yeah, there, I just wanted to thank you very much

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<v Speaker 20>for all the helpful informations.

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<v Speaker 7>And I won't keep you very long, but it's really

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01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:34.199
<v Speaker 7>loud background. So what's your question.

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<v Speaker 13>Oh sorry, let me know if this is better.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay.

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<v Speaker 13>I didn't really have a question.

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<v Speaker 7>I just wanted to get your thoughts on the idea

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<v Speaker 7>of forgiveness of the murder of a family member. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>we addressed that actually the other day in livestream. So

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<v Speaker 7>as for the again, and I said there's no discrepancy

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<v Speaker 7>between the notion of public divine justice or social justice.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't mean social justice warrior stuff. I mean social

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<v Speaker 7>justice in the sense that Jesus didn't come to do

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<v Speaker 7>away with judges, penal sanctions and the death penalty. In fact,

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<v Speaker 7>Romans thirteen teaches the death penalty. The church has the

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<v Speaker 7>Church fathers almost unanimously do teach the death penalty. There's

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<v Speaker 7>a few outlawers, but the majority opinion in what becomes

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<v Speaker 7>the norm in Christian kingdoms and nations in the imperium

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<v Speaker 7>is at least banishment and in some cases death penalty.

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<v Speaker 7>So there's no discrepancy between a public ordained role of

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<v Speaker 7>the state exercising the death penalty, which was given to Noah.

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<v Speaker 7>By the way, it didn't It wasn't something that's only

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<v Speaker 7>part of mosaic, the Mosaic administration. It's actually given to

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<v Speaker 7>Noah to exact the death penalty. So the forgiveness aspect

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<v Speaker 7>is as Father Deacon and I's pointed out you as

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<v Speaker 7>an individual being freed, that's for your good, so that

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01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:06.079
<v Speaker 7>you are not imprisoned to resentment and hatred. So the

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01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:10.840
<v Speaker 7>individual can forgive, and there is an external aspect of

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<v Speaker 7>justice meted out by the state, and that is classic

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<v Speaker 7>Christian teaching. There's absolutely nothing pacifist or Tolstoyism, none of that.

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<v Speaker 7>That's all heresy. And by the way, I don't know

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<v Speaker 7>where all these people get the idea. I guess just

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<v Speaker 7>out of evangelicalism and whatever that Christianity is like Tolstoy stuff. No,

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<v Speaker 7>it's not. In fact, he was a heretic in his

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<v Speaker 7>own time. George, what's up?

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<v Speaker 14>Jay?

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<v Speaker 6>What up?

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01:18:47.359 --> 01:18:48.680
<v Speaker 7>Man? What's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 3>Hey? Big Floyd here.

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<v Speaker 16>I just want to say thank you for responding to

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01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:56.199
<v Speaker 16>that super chat, that twenty dollars super.

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01:18:56.079 --> 01:19:01.720
<v Speaker 3>Chat of you blessing the fin Reactor. I feel blessed already.

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01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:02.319
<v Speaker 4>Mane and.

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<v Speaker 7>This is our good buddy, George Broyd.

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<v Speaker 3>I can not only have participat in great LYND, I

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<v Speaker 3>still be having.

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<v Speaker 7>Great fin absolutely yes. And if you can't make it

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01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:21.279
<v Speaker 7>too great Lent, you can all participate in great fent.

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<v Speaker 7>So shout out to George Droyd. What's up, Nick? I'm mute.

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<v Speaker 7>Guys want to support the stream, you can do so

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01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:41.159
<v Speaker 7>through super chats, through stream lives, or through YouTube natively.

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<v Speaker 7>What's up, Nick?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 6>Can I make an argument for believing that climate change

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01:19:46.720 --> 01:19:48.479
<v Speaker 6>is real through like Christian anthropology?

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<v Speaker 7>I guess you can, but I'm already laughing at it.

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01:19:54.119 --> 01:19:57.960
<v Speaker 7>It sounds proposal. I. You can make fun of me

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01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:00.159
<v Speaker 7>all you like, but I'm actually to.

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<v Speaker 3>Drop this view if it just seems stupid.

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<v Speaker 6>I know you have like an epistemological like method objection

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01:20:08.680 --> 01:20:09.720
<v Speaker 6>to believing.

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<v Speaker 3>What the scientific consensus so called?

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<v Speaker 6>But why are you basically because yeah, it's not actually

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01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:20.399
<v Speaker 6>a real consensus.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fallacious, right, Do.

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<v Speaker 7>You believe that? Or you just saying that?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I do believe that.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, that's not my basis for believing in climate change.

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<v Speaker 6>It's most like, you know, technological domination whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>Moving on, I guess I'm serious. What's up? What's up?

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01:20:51.159 --> 01:21:03.119
<v Speaker 7>All right? That person? The person can't connect omar, what's up? Omar?

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<v Speaker 7>What's up? Appreciate you guys in the chat. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>I think the hardest thing for if you're a night out,

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01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:25.920
<v Speaker 7>that's the hardest part of orthodoxy because I'm tired as hell, dude.

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01:21:27.079 --> 01:21:29.880
<v Speaker 7>Because I'm a night out, I can't like for me

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01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:33.159
<v Speaker 7>getting up in the morning is an ascetic endeavor, dude.

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<v Speaker 7>So we had the elevation of the Cross today. So

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just kind of like out of it and Nick,

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01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:40.880
<v Speaker 7>what's up?

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<v Speaker 9>Yo?

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<v Speaker 13>Yo?

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<v Speaker 12>So I got a question is with regarding communion. So

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<v Speaker 12>for a Protestant, if somebody says, like, no, I've always

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<v Speaker 12>looked at the bread and the body as a body,

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01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:05.720
<v Speaker 12>and then you know, the juice or whatever.

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01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:06.560
<v Speaker 7>The wine is the blood.

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<v Speaker 12>And if they say it's the same thing as.

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<v Speaker 3>The Orthodox side of things, how do you compare the difference.

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<v Speaker 7>No, just because you want it to be the real

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01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:19.279
<v Speaker 7>presence doesn't make it. So you have to have a

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<v Speaker 7>person who has the authority to do the liturgy by

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01:22:23.680 --> 01:22:26.560
<v Speaker 7>an Orthodox bishop. So it's not just a question of

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<v Speaker 7>do you, as an individual Protestant consider yourself open to

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01:22:30.640 --> 01:22:33.960
<v Speaker 7>quote the real presence, even though many Protestants kind of

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01:22:34.000 --> 01:22:36.079
<v Speaker 7>go through that phase or they want more of a

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01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:39.159
<v Speaker 7>high Church, you know, setting I went through that when

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<v Speaker 7>I was Protestant Calvinists. I moved from Baptist to you know,

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01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:45.439
<v Speaker 7>Calvin's spiritual presence, and then I moved towards more of

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<v Speaker 7>an Anglican mystical presence, and then I moved towards No, Actually,

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01:22:49.279 --> 01:22:51.880
<v Speaker 7>I think it's the real presence. So I get people's

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01:22:51.960 --> 01:22:55.079
<v Speaker 7>individual movement, but what's missing is okay, but who has

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01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:58.000
<v Speaker 7>the authority and the ability to actually consecrate it. It's

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01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:02.000
<v Speaker 7>not just your vantage point as to how you view it.

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<v Speaker 7>There's also well, who has the authority to actually do this?

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<v Speaker 7>And not everybody has that authority. Jesus set up a church,

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<v Speaker 7>hence the authority. Jonas, what's up? I mean otherwise if

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01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:18.000
<v Speaker 7>there was no required authority, then any Baptist who believes

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<v Speaker 7>in the Real Presidence or anybody who you could be,

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<v Speaker 7>I guess anything. Oh, I'm going to do it in

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01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:26.479
<v Speaker 7>my basement now. And a lot of Protestants actually do this.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, I'm going to consecrate the Eucharist with you know,

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<v Speaker 7>crackers and Welch's grape juice in my basement, start a

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<v Speaker 7>real Presidence church. And I'm not joking. Actually some Protestants

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<v Speaker 7>do this, like they move towards thinking that, Oh, I

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<v Speaker 7>believe in the real Presidence. So now we're going to

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<v Speaker 7>have the real Presence in my basement at my strip

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<v Speaker 7>Mall church. Jonas, what's up?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Just a little thank you Before I asked my question.

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<v Speaker 7>I had a very productive conversation with my.

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<v Speaker 24>Brother today just like to thank you for having going

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<v Speaker 24>some in depth with the Jung and Junion archetypes and

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<v Speaker 24>fight psychology, because I uh, I think all delve into

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<v Speaker 24>then try to understand better in hopes of winning my

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01:24:11.039 --> 01:24:17.279
<v Speaker 24>brother or which are Orthodoxy. So yeah, and uh, so

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<v Speaker 24>we all know in the West western world of Europe,

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<v Speaker 24>with the declining birth rate, what do you think will happen?

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<v Speaker 24>Do you think Europe will sort of wake up before

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<v Speaker 24>the clients to a point where we can't sustain the

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<v Speaker 24>continent with enough people, or do you think that will

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<v Speaker 24>just go extinct with the next two hundred two hundred years,

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<v Speaker 24>because I've heard people talk about, oh, in like two

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<v Speaker 24>hundred two and fifty years, we won't have enough people.

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<v Speaker 1>Whether they'll be just like too many Muslims or the

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<v Speaker 1>think is sort of yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I don't know what you think. I don't

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<v Speaker 7>know what's going to happen, because that is the plan.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, you can read Count Kutenhov's book right here,

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<v Speaker 7>uh practical Idea, and he says multiple times what the

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<v Speaker 7>plan is, so it is real. It's a real plan.

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<v Speaker 7>I would tend to think that really the only hope

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<v Speaker 7>for any of this is going to be solid Orthodox Christianity,

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<v Speaker 7>and it is growing in Europe. I'm sure that as

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<v Speaker 7>it grows, they will be persecuted as we will in

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<v Speaker 7>this country at some point. But yeah, I guess it

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<v Speaker 7>just depends on that because Jail Ferrara, what's up, Miguel Ferrara?

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<v Speaker 7>What's up? All right? Hey, what's up? What's on your mind?

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<v Speaker 17>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 18>So I'm just wondering any contentions you might have with

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<v Speaker 18>a position that's derived from the Geechee Manitou and it

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<v Speaker 18>loses philosophy. What the guichee Manitou?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what that is.

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<v Speaker 18>It's a Native American folklore alonquin Okay. So it's basically

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01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:14.159
<v Speaker 18>gonna be deriving the belief that the world exists on

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01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:18.039
<v Speaker 18>it turtles back right, like just metaphorically right, okay, And

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<v Speaker 18>we're gonna be deriving this as just sort of rejection

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<v Speaker 18>of the imposed structures of you know, religion onto the individual.

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<v Speaker 7>Do you have any contentions with this? Yes? Uh, it's dumb.

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<v Speaker 7>He's gonna have fun clipping that like Native American apologetics,

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<v Speaker 7>refuge dire Steven, what's up? Hey? Hey, the FBOI man

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<v Speaker 7>went on a long journey. Taylor five dollars thank you

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<v Speaker 7>so much, Semiot. Five dollars. I know this is the

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<v Speaker 7>way of talking. I want to ask your opinion about

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<v Speaker 7>Charles Whitman, whether he was a Manchurian candidate. I know

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<v Speaker 7>Dave mcgawan has a chapter on which is interesting, and

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<v Speaker 7>I've read some other books that discussed the odd aspects,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, with his military background and all that, and

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<v Speaker 7>I think it's one of the first famous, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>serial killer cases. I have no idea what was really

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<v Speaker 7>going on, if he was you know, triggered and trained

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<v Speaker 7>or you know, I don't know, but nothing would surprise me.

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<v Speaker 7>Apeniny five pounds. Kiri Starmer said, let me spell this out.

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<v Speaker 7>If you want to work in the United Kingdom, you

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<v Speaker 7>will not unless you have a digital idea. Is this technocracy? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean we've been talking about Fabian socialism and technocracy

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<v Speaker 7>for many, many years, so absolutely, Marcos ten dollars. I

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<v Speaker 7>literally came on while you explained Sabbath keeping. Is that

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<v Speaker 7>a sign? I'm just kidding. Still based, I'm persuaded Orthodox.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna go to ro Corps. God bless you. Well

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<v Speaker 7>that's good, Marcos. Hope you find a good church. Boreal

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<v Speaker 7>thirteen dollars. Can you please make a video on full

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<v Speaker 7>of preterism? I think I have multiple clips, channels have

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<v Speaker 7>made videos on this. Steven, what's up?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 20>What's going on?

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<v Speaker 23>Jay?

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<v Speaker 25>I wanted to ask a quick geopolitics question, if that's okay.

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<v Speaker 25>So I feel like, regardless of how this Ukraine war

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<v Speaker 25>is going to end, the power structure in Europe is

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<v Speaker 25>going to look very different.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like the globalist leaders.

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<v Speaker 7>Like McCrone and Starmer are.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully going to be removed.

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<v Speaker 25>And I can't especially if if the war goes the

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<v Speaker 25>way most people think it is with Russia winning, I

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<v Speaker 25>can't imagine NATO is gonna stick around much longer, or

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<v Speaker 25>if they do, I'm sure they're going to look different.

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<v Speaker 25>So my question is like, what what do you what

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<v Speaker 25>are your thoughts on this? Are globalists kind of do

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<v Speaker 25>you think that they might lose their grip on power

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<v Speaker 25>or is it going to get worse?

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<v Speaker 7>What do you think again? When you say lose their

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<v Speaker 7>grip on power, I don't really see that. I do

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<v Speaker 7>see people waking up to it, but I don't see

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<v Speaker 7>them losing power per se, except maybe in some limited,

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01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:18.079
<v Speaker 7>mid level minion ways. Right, And I forgot to mention

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01:29:18.279 --> 01:29:25.880
<v Speaker 7>we do have the indicting of Komy, which is kind

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01:29:25.920 --> 01:29:29.119
<v Speaker 7>of surprising, not because this doesn't been to KQ because

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01:29:29.119 --> 01:29:32.000
<v Speaker 7>of course all the q TRD stuff was like next week,

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01:29:32.119 --> 01:29:36.359
<v Speaker 7>two weeks from now, get ready for the indictments. Of course,

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01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:39.319
<v Speaker 7>we know, you know this is not going to be

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01:29:39.720 --> 01:29:43.520
<v Speaker 7>Hillary or Bill, right, So I think some mid level

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01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:45.680
<v Speaker 7>minion like a Komy. They don't have a problem burning

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01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:48.000
<v Speaker 7>this person. So I've forgot to play this clip here.

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<v Speaker 26>It has a long history of misleading Congress. Komy falls

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01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:54.840
<v Speaker 26>into that. But the evidence against Komi tonight comes from

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01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:58.720
<v Speaker 26>the FBI, and it's new director Cash Ptel, who promised

1269
01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:02.319
<v Speaker 26>radical transparency, and he actually provides the key piece of

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01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:05.039
<v Speaker 26>evidence that leads to this indictment. If you're a member

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01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:07.880
<v Speaker 26>of Congress and you've been tired of lying being lied

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01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.159
<v Speaker 26>to by the FBI, tonight's the first time the FBI

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01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:12.720
<v Speaker 26>actually did something about it. They turned in their own

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01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:15.199
<v Speaker 26>man tonight. I think that's an extraordinary part of this story.

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01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:19.760
<v Speaker 13>The Komi indictment will showcase the worst abuses against the

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01:30:19.880 --> 01:30:24.439
<v Speaker 13>Republic in DOJ history. As the rotting inertia causes the

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01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:27.840
<v Speaker 13>dominoes to fall in the hallowed halls of the District

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01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:32.039
<v Speaker 13>of Corruption, even as new bombshell information reveals that a

1279
01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:35.840
<v Speaker 13>recent disclosure by the FBI to Congress verified that two

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01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:39.199
<v Speaker 13>hundred and seventy five FBI agents were in the crowd

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01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:42.640
<v Speaker 13>on January sixth, far more than the Measley twenty six

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01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:47.079
<v Speaker 13>informants that Inspector General Horowitz had been notified of.

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01:30:47.680 --> 01:30:50.840
<v Speaker 7>So you noticed that this is more of a systemic problem.

1284
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:53.319
<v Speaker 7>And I'm not saying that they shouldn't do this or

1285
01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:55.039
<v Speaker 7>that it's not good to see some of the mid

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01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:59.119
<v Speaker 7>level minions, but I mean a FBI directors come and go,

1287
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:02.680
<v Speaker 7>who cares like I mean, I'm not saying I'm glad

1288
01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:06.560
<v Speaker 7>that justice is occurring, but I mean these people are

1289
01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:10.199
<v Speaker 7>like saying, burn down the country, take out the president.

1290
01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:14.840
<v Speaker 7>I mean, they say crazy stuff. And you know, they

1291
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:17.760
<v Speaker 7>should have all been immediately arrested because all that stuff

1292
01:31:17.920 --> 01:31:22.600
<v Speaker 7>is like treason legally, it's all on the books. But

1293
01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:28.319
<v Speaker 7>the corruption is so entrenched that even anybody trying to

1294
01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:31.159
<v Speaker 7>do something is very very limited I think, and I

1295
01:31:31.239 --> 01:31:35.399
<v Speaker 7>think you know you see that with the intentional covering

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01:31:35.479 --> 01:31:38.880
<v Speaker 7>up of Epstein stuff. We all see that. We all

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01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:44.640
<v Speaker 7>know that. So I don't really I don't really see

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01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:50.520
<v Speaker 7>the deep state quote unquote losing power until people figure out.

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01:31:51.560 --> 01:31:53.880
<v Speaker 7>And the reason people don't figure it out. I still

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01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:57.199
<v Speaker 7>blame normally conservatives because they're the gatekeepers and the dumb

1301
01:31:57.279 --> 01:32:01.520
<v Speaker 7>dums that always, like at Walsh did not too long ago.

1302
01:32:02.000 --> 01:32:05.520
<v Speaker 7>I don't understand the conspiracy through USTs talking about Bob

1303
01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:07.840
<v Speaker 7>But it's like, dude, you're the problem. You're the one

1304
01:32:07.960 --> 01:32:11.920
<v Speaker 7>that makes everybody think it's the Libs. Let's drink the

1305
01:32:12.039 --> 01:32:15.760
<v Speaker 7>tears of the Libs and vote out the scoundrels. When

1306
01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:19.199
<v Speaker 7>are we gonna understand? As pages ninety five to forty

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01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:23.560
<v Speaker 7>eight in this book point out that the steering committees,

1308
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.880
<v Speaker 7>the n g os, the think tanks, right, that's the

1309
01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:31.199
<v Speaker 7>real power. Uh, they have a lot more power than

1310
01:32:31.520 --> 01:32:36.359
<v Speaker 7>James Coomy. And James Comy comes and goes. And when

1311
01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:41.159
<v Speaker 7>we get our next fake Lib president, uh, they're going

1312
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:45.520
<v Speaker 7>to hell a point some creeper lib again to the FBI,

1313
01:32:45.680 --> 01:32:49.600
<v Speaker 7>and we'll have a whole new uh slate of scandals.

1314
01:32:49.760 --> 01:32:51.680
<v Speaker 7>And then everybody like, well, we would go put him

1315
01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:55.319
<v Speaker 7>both winded indictments is coming. Wind indictments is coming. Then

1316
01:32:55.359 --> 01:32:57.920
<v Speaker 7>we'll get indictments one day and then but it will

1317
01:32:57.960 --> 01:33:00.439
<v Speaker 7>already be there, already be a new crap, a new

1318
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:03.880
<v Speaker 7>crop up scoundrels, and everybody will forgotten the scoundrel from

1319
01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:12.479
<v Speaker 7>ten years ago. So, uh, nothing is gonna change until

1320
01:33:13.199 --> 01:33:18.840
<v Speaker 7>we figure out that right wing gatekeepers are retards and

1321
01:33:19.960 --> 01:33:29.199
<v Speaker 7>they are either complicit or just ignorant. And when are

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01:33:29.199 --> 01:33:33.640
<v Speaker 7>we going to figure out all these steering committees, thing tanks, foundations, NGOs?

1323
01:33:33.720 --> 01:33:37.640
<v Speaker 7>I mean again, I like that Jdvents said it's time

1324
01:33:37.720 --> 01:33:40.560
<v Speaker 7>to uproot the NGOs and the Soros networks. Oh yeah,

1325
01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:43.600
<v Speaker 7>but I mean we're like ten, fifteen, twenty years too late, dude,

1326
01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:45.720
<v Speaker 7>Like we should have been saying that twenty years ago.

1327
01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:54.760
<v Speaker 7>I don't know why you're thumbing down, Like, what's your problem?

1328
01:33:55.960 --> 01:34:02.720
<v Speaker 7>I'm you, hey, Jade, Yeah.

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01:34:05.520 --> 01:34:06.079
<v Speaker 25>Can you hear me?

1330
01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:08.600
<v Speaker 7>All right? Good?

1331
01:34:09.399 --> 01:34:13.800
<v Speaker 3>Uh So I just graduated from the College of the

1332
01:34:13.880 --> 01:34:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Apostles mm hmm, and I'm reading through the Book of

1333
01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:24.560
<v Speaker 3>Theology mm hmm. So don't don't try to.

1334
01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:30.039
<v Speaker 7>It was really funny, Daniel, what's up?

1335
01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:34.800
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

1336
01:34:35.399 --> 01:34:38.479
<v Speaker 7>I'm well aware that JD. Vance is connected of here too.

1337
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:40.920
<v Speaker 7>Did you not even listen to what I said? I

1338
01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:43.119
<v Speaker 7>don't like all you Midwites man that just have to

1339
01:34:43.239 --> 01:34:44.079
<v Speaker 7>chime in about.

1340
01:34:44.600 --> 01:34:44.720
<v Speaker 5>Uh.

1341
01:34:45.279 --> 01:34:48.760
<v Speaker 7>Actually, JD. Leads is a lot of good person to

1342
01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:51.359
<v Speaker 7>let me tell you about being I knew this, dude.

1343
01:34:55.159 --> 01:34:57.319
<v Speaker 7>What I said was what I was trying to say

1344
01:34:57.920 --> 01:35:02.800
<v Speaker 7>was that, yeah, thank you for mentioning Soros NNGO networks.

1345
01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:05.760
<v Speaker 7>Why didn't Trump talk about this in twenty sixteen? Remember

1346
01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:08.960
<v Speaker 7>when Trump was like, now, don't talk about so Roachie's

1347
01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:12.399
<v Speaker 7>not a bad guy, I know, George. And now Trump's like,

1348
01:35:12.880 --> 01:35:15.159
<v Speaker 7>you go to dinner with these people and they're funding

1349
01:35:15.319 --> 01:35:16.239
<v Speaker 7>all of these networks.

1350
01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:19.239
<v Speaker 19>You're like, wildish guy, Why is he funding this horrible,

1351
01:35:19.319 --> 01:35:20.159
<v Speaker 19>horrible network?

1352
01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:25.600
<v Speaker 7>It's like, come on, dude. My point is that this

1353
01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:28.840
<v Speaker 7>is all way too late. We should have been this

1354
01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:33.000
<v Speaker 7>should have been happening like fifteen twenty years ago. Well

1355
01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:36.000
<v Speaker 7>why isn't it Because people wouldn't listen when you talked

1356
01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:38.199
<v Speaker 7>about this fifteen twenty years ago, and they called you

1357
01:35:38.279 --> 01:35:41.600
<v Speaker 7>conspiracy theorists and called you all these names. And now

1358
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:43.239
<v Speaker 7>they still call you all the same names even though

1359
01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:46.920
<v Speaker 7>you've been right about all of it. What's up, man, Daniel? Mute?

1360
01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Hey? Can you hear me?

1361
01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:51.800
<v Speaker 7>Yep? How you doing?

1362
01:35:51.840 --> 01:35:52.079
<v Speaker 9>Brother?

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01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:53.960
<v Speaker 7>Good? Uh?

1364
01:35:54.680 --> 01:35:58.399
<v Speaker 5>So I don't think Santa Andrews Wilson's and he's kind

1365
01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:02.720
<v Speaker 5>of got me interested in averting to Orthodoxy. But I

1366
01:36:02.840 --> 01:36:06.520
<v Speaker 5>grew up like small rural town in Mississippi, and I've

1367
01:36:06.560 --> 01:36:07.520
<v Speaker 5>been to the same.

1368
01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:09.039
<v Speaker 3>Church of Christ my entire life.

1369
01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:12.199
<v Speaker 5>But then everybody it's not a Church of Christ that

1370
01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:14.199
<v Speaker 5>I know, says it's a cult. And I don't know

1371
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:15.880
<v Speaker 5>what kind of culture shock I'm going to be in

1372
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:17.560
<v Speaker 5>for with the difference.

1373
01:36:17.239 --> 01:36:21.840
<v Speaker 7>Between those two. Wait, they say, what's a cult Church

1374
01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:26.199
<v Speaker 7>of Christ? I mean it can be cult like, yeah,

1375
01:36:27.039 --> 01:36:28.720
<v Speaker 7>I mean, I mean.

1376
01:36:28.760 --> 01:36:30.720
<v Speaker 3>It's always been like, you know, we go, we have

1377
01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:32.239
<v Speaker 3>like three songs.

1378
01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:35.359
<v Speaker 5>Of prayers, he preaches for like twenty minutes, and some.

1379
01:36:35.399 --> 01:36:37.920
<v Speaker 7>Of the beliefs, not the I mean, I've been, I

1380
01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:40.319
<v Speaker 7>grew up with Church Christ people. I'm familiar. I've been

1381
01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:44.359
<v Speaker 7>many times. But what I'm saying is like the idea

1382
01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:47.960
<v Speaker 7>that all the churches failed and you're the restoration church.

1383
01:36:47.960 --> 01:36:50.119
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's called the Restorationist movement. I think that's

1384
01:36:50.159 --> 01:36:53.479
<v Speaker 7>the aspect that's quote cult like. But I don't think

1385
01:36:53.520 --> 01:36:55.359
<v Speaker 7>you're going to find I mean, or they're always going

1386
01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:57.000
<v Speaker 7>to be very different. But I don't think you're going

1387
01:36:57.039 --> 01:37:02.720
<v Speaker 7>to find it anything cult like or I mean, you know, Restorationism, Campbellism,

1388
01:37:02.800 --> 01:37:07.680
<v Speaker 7>that's a derivative of older Baptist theology. So it's gonna

1389
01:37:07.720 --> 01:37:09.760
<v Speaker 7>be very different. I would say you could watch something

1390
01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:13.119
<v Speaker 7>like Fountain of Immortality, which is a brief documentary which

1391
01:37:13.199 --> 01:37:15.279
<v Speaker 7>kind of explains the liturgy when you go to the

1392
01:37:15.399 --> 01:37:18.600
<v Speaker 7>Orthodox Church. It's gonna be very different than Church or Christ.

1393
01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:25.000
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, you just have to go taste and experience yourself. Yeah,

1394
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:35.000
<v Speaker 7>what's up? Man? What atlas? What's up? Your emojiing? Like crazy?

1395
01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:44.880
<v Speaker 7>What's your problem? Talk? So you just wanted to do

1396
01:37:45.039 --> 01:37:50.560
<v Speaker 7>emojis and not talk? Okay, you don't know how to unmute?

1397
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:51.399
<v Speaker 2>Man?

1398
01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:52.439
<v Speaker 7>What's going on with people?

1399
01:37:52.439 --> 01:37:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Don't say?

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01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:55.920
<v Speaker 7>Are you there?

1401
01:37:58.479 --> 01:37:58.800
<v Speaker 13>All right?

1402
01:37:58.880 --> 01:37:59.159
<v Speaker 4>This is.

1403
01:38:01.159 --> 01:38:02.800
<v Speaker 7>Not a sane person death. What's up?

1404
01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:07.720
<v Speaker 3>Hey?

1405
01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Jay? What up?

1406
01:38:09.000 --> 01:38:09.199
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

1407
01:38:10.319 --> 01:38:13.479
<v Speaker 16>I got a quick and unique, outlandish question for you,

1408
01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:16.319
<v Speaker 16>and that is on the topic of humor in Orthodoxy.

1409
01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:19.439
<v Speaker 7>And I was just curious if you know any sources of.

1410
01:38:21.039 --> 01:38:25.199
<v Speaker 16>How humor should be applied in Orthodoxy, for like, for example, like.

1411
01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:27.960
<v Speaker 7>Like what's too far?

1412
01:38:28.199 --> 01:38:30.239
<v Speaker 16>Like where do you draw the line? Obviously, things of

1413
01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:33.560
<v Speaker 16>a sexual nature and blasphemist that's off the table. But

1414
01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:36.680
<v Speaker 16>what about going is so far as like George Troy Memes,

1415
01:38:36.720 --> 01:38:39.239
<v Speaker 16>et cetera, or stuff.

1416
01:38:39.039 --> 01:38:44.159
<v Speaker 7>Like that, like that guy that called earlier good question.

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01:38:44.359 --> 01:38:47.840
<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure of anything that actually expelicially deals with this.

1418
01:38:48.159 --> 01:38:52.840
<v Speaker 7>I mean, even Ezekiel kind of makes dirty jokes, so

1419
01:38:53.119 --> 01:38:55.920
<v Speaker 7>I don't even think that necessarily even every quote dirty

1420
01:38:56.000 --> 01:38:58.439
<v Speaker 7>joke is off the table. I think it's more a

1421
01:38:58.520 --> 01:39:01.840
<v Speaker 7>question of what proprie right, So the right place, at

1422
01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:05.960
<v Speaker 7>the right time, right, so you know, you're walking into

1423
01:39:06.039 --> 01:39:10.239
<v Speaker 7>the to the divine temple to do divine liturgy. You're

1424
01:39:10.279 --> 01:39:13.279
<v Speaker 7>not going to make dirty jokes or really jokes, right,

1425
01:39:13.399 --> 01:39:16.000
<v Speaker 7>I mean every time that you know, Father Vladimir makes

1426
01:39:16.359 --> 01:39:22.319
<v Speaker 7>wise cracks after the service. But yes, I think it's

1427
01:39:22.359 --> 01:39:25.000
<v Speaker 7>more so a question of propriety than like what's proper

1428
01:39:25.079 --> 01:39:26.800
<v Speaker 7>and what's right at the right time, the right place

1429
01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:33.199
<v Speaker 7>versus some absolutist, weird you know, puritanical type positions. Your no,

1430
01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:35.680
<v Speaker 7>what's up? But that's a great question, your know what's up?

1431
01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Hello?

1432
01:39:42.279 --> 01:39:42.479
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

1433
01:39:43.319 --> 01:39:43.760
<v Speaker 9>Can you hear me?

1434
01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:45.239
<v Speaker 14>Yeah?

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01:39:45.279 --> 01:39:47.399
<v Speaker 16>So I grew up Ruben Catholic, but I am inquiring

1436
01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:49.159
<v Speaker 16>orthodoxy after watching your debate with.

1437
01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:51.640
<v Speaker 21>Horn and Gordon and I am leaning to more.

1438
01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:54.640
<v Speaker 3>Towards Orthodoxy for what I consider it to be truth. However,

1439
01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:55.159
<v Speaker 3>it's hard for.

1440
01:39:55.239 --> 01:39:57.600
<v Speaker 14>Me to make that switch knowing my whole lineage has

1441
01:39:57.680 --> 01:40:00.279
<v Speaker 14>been Catholics and my family and friends are And is

1442
01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:02.680
<v Speaker 14>it wrong to appeal to this kind of I don't know.

1443
01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:07.000
<v Speaker 7>Emotion well, I think it's natural, but I don't think

1444
01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:09.800
<v Speaker 7>it's a good reason to pick a religion. I mean,

1445
01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:13.720
<v Speaker 7>imagine your whole lineage is Buddhist and then Christianity is introduced,

1446
01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:15.840
<v Speaker 7>and you know, would you say, well, you know, don't

1447
01:40:15.880 --> 01:40:18.600
<v Speaker 7>convert because everybody's a Buddhist in your country, right. I mean,

1448
01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:23.439
<v Speaker 7>it's just it's not ultimately a significant enough reason to

1449
01:40:24.000 --> 01:40:27.439
<v Speaker 7>not convert to religion. So, and I feel you because

1450
01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:31.359
<v Speaker 7>I understand Catholic attitudes on this, So many Roman Catholics will,

1451
01:40:31.600 --> 01:40:36.039
<v Speaker 7>ultimately if it end up saying something like I just

1452
01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:39.399
<v Speaker 7>can't let go of like my family, family eat tradition,

1453
01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.840
<v Speaker 7>you know what I mean. But if you read the

1454
01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:45.720
<v Speaker 7>New Testament, does does it sound like Jesus is cool

1455
01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:47.319
<v Speaker 7>with that or does he say, you know, you have

1456
01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:57.119
<v Speaker 7>to choose me over family, tradition, et cetera. So I

1457
01:40:57.159 --> 01:41:01.279
<v Speaker 7>feel like we're going to get the climate change guy

1458
01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:09.640
<v Speaker 7>again under his alt profiles. What's up, man, I'm mute. Yeah,

1459
01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:11.319
<v Speaker 7>oh yeah.

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01:41:11.359 --> 01:41:13.640
<v Speaker 27>I was just looking for like any sort of papers

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01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:16.920
<v Speaker 27>or information on why the essence entergy distinction doesn't lead

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01:41:16.960 --> 01:41:18.439
<v Speaker 27>to like I can posite God.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm just looking for that does the trinity lead to composition?

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<v Speaker 27>No, I'm just looking for like you posted a paper once.

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<v Speaker 27>I'm going to read your channels under.

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<v Speaker 7>It was probably David Bradshaw's papers on essence energy what

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<v Speaker 7>kind of distinction which is in his book Essence and Energies.

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<v Speaker 7>All right, thank you? Ye John? What's up man? Della?

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<v Speaker 28>Yeah, I heard you earlier talking about paradigm breaking. I

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01:41:59.359 --> 01:42:01.079
<v Speaker 28>would kind of like it's like a mini death. But

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<v Speaker 28>I was curious, but your thoughts were on like the

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<v Speaker 28>Candess owens she's like fully taking the Skitzo pill kind of.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm like, I want to know what you think of

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01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:13.520
<v Speaker 7>that about what do you mean exactly by her taking it?

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01:42:14.439 --> 01:42:17.399
<v Speaker 28>She's like posting on Twitter. There's like the shooter is

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01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:19.640
<v Speaker 28>not really the dude, he's like innocent and stuff. I mean,

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01:42:19.680 --> 01:42:21.119
<v Speaker 28>is there any credence to this? Do you think she's

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<v Speaker 28>like fully going insane?

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<v Speaker 7>Like I don't. I don't keep up with a lot

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01:42:25.520 --> 01:42:29.039
<v Speaker 7>of her theories and whatnot, so I don't know like

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01:42:29.159 --> 01:42:31.800
<v Speaker 7>what the latest position is that she has. So I

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01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:34.399
<v Speaker 7>don't think it's fine to ask. I think it's fine

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01:42:34.439 --> 01:42:40.119
<v Speaker 7>to ask questions. But also I think that like choosing

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01:42:40.239 --> 01:42:44.000
<v Speaker 7>certain things like the sexuality of my Crohn's wife and

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01:42:44.119 --> 01:42:46.359
<v Speaker 7>then just sort of like hammering at that, it's just

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01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:50.279
<v Speaker 7>odd to me. It's like I don't care to be honest. Yeah,

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01:42:50.319 --> 01:42:52.079
<v Speaker 7>like maybe that's just a way to get you know,

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01:42:52.680 --> 01:43:03.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, audience and attention all that. I say, what, Oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I mean I think a lot of times in these

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01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:09.880
<v Speaker 7>high profile events, which you know, I've been looking at

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01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:14.680
<v Speaker 7>high profile events since two thousand and three, a lot

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01:43:14.720 --> 01:43:18.239
<v Speaker 7>of times you you'll you'll never solve all the high

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01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:22.000
<v Speaker 7>profile event questions. And I think sometimes they even throw

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01:43:22.079 --> 01:43:28.720
<v Speaker 7>in confusing details and distractions to confuse on purpose. Usually

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01:43:28.760 --> 01:43:34.560
<v Speaker 7>when there's some sort of high profile operation that's part

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01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:37.199
<v Speaker 7>of the operation is to throw in confusion to lead

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01:43:37.239 --> 01:43:39.399
<v Speaker 7>people off the trail. And I'm not saying Candae isn't

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01:43:39.399 --> 01:43:42.560
<v Speaker 7>necessarily doing it. I'm saying that when you've studied these

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01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:46.000
<v Speaker 7>these events for many, many years, you you kind of

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<v Speaker 7>come to the conclusion as I have, that a lot

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01:43:48.800 --> 01:43:51.319
<v Speaker 7>of these are never going to be resolved. You're never

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01:43:51.399 --> 01:43:53.920
<v Speaker 7>going to figure out, oh, exactly what this guy was

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01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:56.439
<v Speaker 7>doing at nine to eleven that day in the tower,

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01:43:56.479 --> 01:43:57.960
<v Speaker 7>and when did he come out, and when did he

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01:43:58.079 --> 01:44:01.680
<v Speaker 7>give the you know in review to the reporters, and

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01:44:01.880 --> 01:44:04.199
<v Speaker 7>was he an actor formerly in this and name like,

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01:44:04.279 --> 01:44:07.319
<v Speaker 7>you'll never figure out all the rabbit trails and the

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01:44:07.359 --> 01:44:10.399
<v Speaker 7>loose ends. I'm not saying you can't question the events

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01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:13.319
<v Speaker 7>or that I believe the official stories. Far from it.

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01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:16.159
<v Speaker 7>I'm a skeptic on all these events, but I think

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01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:18.840
<v Speaker 7>that a lot of the loosens are never going to

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01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:22.279
<v Speaker 7>be resolved on purpose, And so what I try to

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01:44:22.319 --> 01:44:24.600
<v Speaker 7>focus on is the big picture and the things that

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01:44:27.439 --> 01:44:32.199
<v Speaker 7>are demonstrable and noble and where the big picture points. So,

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01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:37.960
<v Speaker 7>like I was perusing some of the conspiracy websites in

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01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:41.479
<v Speaker 7>the last few days, some of the old school ones,

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01:44:42.680 --> 01:44:49.640
<v Speaker 7>and it's just an infinite rabbit hole of even contradictory

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01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:53.119
<v Speaker 7>theories about No, it was this guy over here with

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01:44:53.279 --> 01:44:56.439
<v Speaker 7>a palm pistol gun who really didn't know is actually

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01:44:56.479 --> 01:44:59.520
<v Speaker 7>a person in a tunnel underground shooting up from below. No,

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01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:04.880
<v Speaker 7>it was Actually, it's like there is infinite theorizing and

1522
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:09.720
<v Speaker 7>it's ultimately it doesn't lead anywhere. So again, I'm a

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01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:18.199
<v Speaker 7>person twenty plus years into conspiracy theories, and maybe there

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01:45:18.279 --> 01:45:24.920
<v Speaker 7>is somebody who has the full story. But remember after

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01:45:25.079 --> 01:45:30.239
<v Speaker 7>the Big nine event, you had infinity debates about nanothermite

1526
01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:33.600
<v Speaker 7>and then you had no But did you read the

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01:45:33.720 --> 01:45:37.039
<v Speaker 7>NIST report and the response of the this report and

1528
01:45:37.199 --> 01:45:43.279
<v Speaker 7>the geological research of the tectonic plate movements and the

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01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:46.560
<v Speaker 7>speed at which the and it's like, who in the

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01:45:46.840 --> 01:45:51.239
<v Speaker 7>hell knows any of the shit? Nobody? So I mean,

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01:45:51.319 --> 01:45:55.439
<v Speaker 7>I can't get at PhD in tectonics and geology to

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01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:58.880
<v Speaker 7>go and remember after the koof do you have a

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01:45:58.960 --> 01:46:01.960
<v Speaker 7>degree in viral and viruses are fake? And also do

1534
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:05.279
<v Speaker 7>you have it? You know, it's like there's infinity, but no,

1535
01:46:05.479 --> 01:46:08.880
<v Speaker 7>you don't understand the principles of nanotechnology and their actual

1536
01:46:09.119 --> 01:46:12.079
<v Speaker 7>nano thermiographing bobble. It's like, I don't, I can't. It's

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01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:15.600
<v Speaker 7>humanly impossible to get a PhD in every one of

1538
01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:18.439
<v Speaker 7>these freaking subjects, to master all of them, to figure

1539
01:46:18.479 --> 01:46:20.920
<v Speaker 7>out every loose end of all of the conspiracies, and

1540
01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:22.960
<v Speaker 7>you never will and you. It's that way on purpose.

1541
01:46:25.039 --> 01:46:28.079
<v Speaker 7>So I am not saying there are no conspiracies. There

1542
01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:32.760
<v Speaker 7>are all the time. Conspiracies. In fact, espionage is big

1543
01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:39.840
<v Speaker 7>nation state corporate skill. Conspiracy, conspiracizing and conspiring conspiracies are

1544
01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:44.960
<v Speaker 7>a criminal thing in the code or criminal code, right,

1545
01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:48.279
<v Speaker 7>So of course there are conspiracies. But a lot of

1546
01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:56.319
<v Speaker 7>people are going wild on Twitter trying to deconstruct every

1547
01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:59.720
<v Speaker 7>frame and angle and whatever of the shooter and this

1548
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:04.119
<v Speaker 7>and that clip, and it's just I just don't see

1549
01:47:04.199 --> 01:47:08.720
<v Speaker 7>where it's going to go. So we focus on the

1550
01:47:08.800 --> 01:47:16.399
<v Speaker 7>big picture, the meta, the zoomed out, because that's really

1551
01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:20.560
<v Speaker 7>the best that I could do. But you know, if

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01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:25.199
<v Speaker 7>people are like ballistics, I mean, I've heard in the

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01:47:25.279 --> 01:47:30.600
<v Speaker 7>last several weeks like five different interviews with five ballistic

1554
01:47:30.960 --> 01:47:35.000
<v Speaker 7>experts telling everyone about what bullets can and can't. How

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01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:37.439
<v Speaker 7>am I supposed to know? Do I have to go

1556
01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:41.000
<v Speaker 7>get a ballistics degree to figure out, Oh it's this

1557
01:47:41.199 --> 01:47:46.720
<v Speaker 7>guy of the five ballistics. It's just not possible. So

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01:47:47.960 --> 01:47:50.560
<v Speaker 7>I don't know what the answer is. I would just

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01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:54.560
<v Speaker 7>say I focus on the big scale picture of the books,

1560
01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:57.439
<v Speaker 7>what they admit in the books, and I can't get

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01:47:57.479 --> 01:48:00.720
<v Speaker 7>a degree in fricking plate tectonics to tell you whether

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01:48:00.840 --> 01:48:07.159
<v Speaker 7>nano thermite did what blanco? What's up? Hey, Jay? What's up?

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01:48:10.039 --> 01:48:10.159
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:15.439
<v Speaker 7>Plate tectonics and nanothermite, and whether or not I can

1565
01:48:15.600 --> 01:48:21.119
<v Speaker 7>build an instrument that registers the shake from nano thermitte explosions.

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01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:27.000
<v Speaker 7>Are you there? What's up?

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01:48:27.399 --> 01:48:30.159
<v Speaker 9>Yeah? Yeah, I'm here. So basically, Jay, I wanted to

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01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:34.920
<v Speaker 9>ask you something about like the coptic arguments against us.

1569
01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:40.479
<v Speaker 9>So they said that like Constantinople two overwrote some of

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01:48:40.520 --> 01:48:42.199
<v Speaker 9>the things that happened in Calcedon.

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01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:46.880
<v Speaker 7>Now that's a misunderstanding. It's not overwriting. It's stating that

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01:48:47.000 --> 01:48:49.840
<v Speaker 7>you have to interpret Calcedon in a querrillion way.

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01:48:51.479 --> 01:48:54.680
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, because here's the whole thing. Like they presented the

1574
01:48:54.800 --> 01:48:59.159
<v Speaker 9>argument that, like there were three letters in Calcedon I

1575
01:48:59.399 --> 01:48:59.920
<v Speaker 9>read to base.

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01:49:00.000 --> 01:49:05.119
<v Speaker 4>Basically, they accepted the teachingmself of this, Like.

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01:49:05.520 --> 01:49:07.960
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, watch, David Rhuan has a whole video on this,

1578
01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:10.439
<v Speaker 7>So I'm not trying to be rude, but like, yeah,

1579
01:49:10.439 --> 01:49:14.239
<v Speaker 7>we've addressed that. Just go back into David's archives. Nicky

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01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:25.000
<v Speaker 7>Niki Farose, what's a Christian Killian? Two dollars? Jay? Have

1581
01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:26.920
<v Speaker 7>you ever seen the boys on Amazon.

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01:49:27.199 --> 01:49:27.359
<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:30.479
<v Speaker 7>I had people telling me the first season was interesting,

1584
01:49:30.640 --> 01:49:32.640
<v Speaker 7>and then I saw like a bunch of gay stuff,

1585
01:49:32.720 --> 01:49:38.520
<v Speaker 7>so I just didn't even look at it. So Jamie

1586
01:49:38.520 --> 01:49:42.640
<v Speaker 7>and I started watching Penny Dreadful, which at first was

1587
01:49:42.760 --> 01:49:46.680
<v Speaker 7>kind of interesting, and then then there was like this

1588
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:53.119
<v Speaker 7>gay Dorian Gray or Dorian gay scene. This almost almost

1589
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:56.920
<v Speaker 7>checked out. And then I asked Grok if it was

1590
01:49:57.359 --> 01:49:58.960
<v Speaker 7>if there was a lot of gay in the show,

1591
01:49:59.079 --> 01:50:03.319
<v Speaker 7>and Croc said, not a lot. Actually it gets toned down,

1592
01:50:04.079 --> 01:50:08.920
<v Speaker 7>so I might continue because there is this weird esoterica

1593
01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:14.640
<v Speaker 7>Colt stuff going on with Ava. Green's character is supposed

1594
01:50:14.640 --> 01:50:20.800
<v Speaker 7>to be the incarnation of Raw's wife and she's Roman Catholic,

1595
01:50:20.960 --> 01:50:22.880
<v Speaker 7>but she's possessed by a demon if you don't know.

1596
01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:25.520
<v Speaker 7>So there's these interesting elements to the show which I

1597
01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:31.479
<v Speaker 7>find worthwhile. And then you've got this like in Cell

1598
01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:37.560
<v Speaker 7>knockoff version of Frankenstein character with that who's like the

1599
01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:40.920
<v Speaker 7>Phantom of the opera guy who lives in the theater

1600
01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:43.600
<v Speaker 7>like that. It's like that shit is just dumbed du

1601
01:50:43.600 --> 01:50:45.520
<v Speaker 7>and I'm like, what is this? Why am I watching

1602
01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:50.039
<v Speaker 7>an intel Frankenstein with in Cell rage. So it's like

1603
01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:52.600
<v Speaker 7>some of the storylines that the characters are really interesting,

1604
01:50:52.680 --> 01:50:54.840
<v Speaker 7>but then the other ones are like this is dumb, dude,

1605
01:50:55.159 --> 01:50:55.560
<v Speaker 7>what's up?

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01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:55.760
<v Speaker 3>Man?

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01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:57.960
<v Speaker 7>So I don't know if I'm gonna finish it? Nikki

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01:50:58.079 --> 01:50:58.840
<v Speaker 7>four Ros, what's up?

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01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:00.359
<v Speaker 3>Hey Jay?

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01:51:00.399 --> 01:51:00.760
<v Speaker 7>What's up?

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01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:03.720
<v Speaker 3>God? Bless you? Thanks for everything you do. I have

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01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:06.079
<v Speaker 3>like an idea that you know, like you have these

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01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:06.520
<v Speaker 3>ideas you.

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01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:08.680
<v Speaker 11>Latch onto, and it's kind of something I'm interested in,

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01:51:08.760 --> 01:51:11.800
<v Speaker 11>and I wanted to filter through, like your understanding of

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01:51:11.880 --> 01:51:15.159
<v Speaker 11>geopolitics and kind of how like knowledge like passes.

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01:51:14.920 --> 01:51:16.640
<v Speaker 3>On through to different people.

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01:51:18.399 --> 01:51:22.279
<v Speaker 11>Are you familiar with like Benedict Anderson's Imagined Communities and

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01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.000
<v Speaker 11>the idea that like the printing press kind of like

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01:51:25.159 --> 01:51:30.760
<v Speaker 11>shape the nation state, that kind of thing. Okay, Well,

1621
01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:33.319
<v Speaker 11>he has this theory that he puts forward in that

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01:51:33.399 --> 01:51:36.159
<v Speaker 11>book that basically says, like without the printing press, like

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01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:39.039
<v Speaker 11>modern nation state borders wouldn't have formed because you wouldn't

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01:51:39.039 --> 01:51:42.159
<v Speaker 11>have had these like shared narratives and a common language

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01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:45.239
<v Speaker 11>among like regionally kind of.

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01:51:47.199 --> 01:51:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Like regionally close groups.

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01:51:49.399 --> 01:51:52.199
<v Speaker 11>And so I'm kind of interested in, like how it

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01:51:52.399 --> 01:51:57.079
<v Speaker 11>is that like the changing information landscape kind of imperceptibly

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01:51:57.840 --> 01:52:01.039
<v Speaker 11>adjust the way that we kind of engage with ideas

1630
01:52:01.079 --> 01:52:03.359
<v Speaker 11>and reality kind of in like the you know, like

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01:52:03.479 --> 01:52:07.159
<v Speaker 11>Marshall mcluan talking about like you know, roads come about

1632
01:52:07.239 --> 01:52:10.039
<v Speaker 11>and it changes the way people travel, or like if

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01:52:10.079 --> 01:52:12.439
<v Speaker 11>you think about like people growing up today kind of

1634
01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:15.920
<v Speaker 11>can't imagine a world without TikTok or like our generation

1635
01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:19.560
<v Speaker 11>we couldn't imagine really a world without books and accessing

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01:52:19.600 --> 01:52:24.199
<v Speaker 11>ideas that way. I was just wondering, like because clearly,

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01:52:24.279 --> 01:52:26.479
<v Speaker 11>like these types of changes in the information space can

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01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:29.279
<v Speaker 11>be weaponized and like probably were in World War One

1639
01:52:29.399 --> 01:52:31.319
<v Speaker 11>to kind of get massive groups of people to fight.

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01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:36.279
<v Speaker 11>Like do you how do you just wondering like if

1641
01:52:36.359 --> 01:52:39.439
<v Speaker 11>those ideas kind of like bring anything to mind in

1642
01:52:39.600 --> 01:52:42.600
<v Speaker 11>terms of like you know, how it is that people

1643
01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:46.439
<v Speaker 11>perhaps like engage with religion and religious ideas.

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01:52:46.600 --> 01:52:48.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, like at the time of the Apostles, you

1645
01:52:48.640 --> 01:52:49.880
<v Speaker 3>learned about the faith through people.

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01:52:50.119 --> 01:52:53.279
<v Speaker 11>Now you learn about it online, like any just wondering

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01:52:53.319 --> 01:52:54.760
<v Speaker 11>if anything comes to mind for you, like.

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01:52:54.960 --> 01:52:58.359
<v Speaker 7>Like the medium is the message essentially?

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01:52:58.439 --> 01:52:58.560
<v Speaker 3>Yah?

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01:52:58.640 --> 01:53:03.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I mean that's mcglillan. So I mean what

1651
01:53:03.720 --> 01:53:05.680
<v Speaker 7>do you mean what comes to mind? What I don't

1652
01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:06.640
<v Speaker 7>understand what you're asking.

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01:53:08.319 --> 01:53:11.079
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I don't know if nothing pops up like, no

1654
01:53:11.199 --> 01:53:12.479
<v Speaker 11>big deal, it's just something.

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01:53:12.720 --> 01:53:15.119
<v Speaker 3>This is just the concept I'm interested in. And like

1656
01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:17.239
<v Speaker 3>if you look at if you kind of go with.

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01:53:17.279 --> 01:53:22.479
<v Speaker 11>Bennedict Anderson's theory about nation states being formed by the

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01:53:22.560 --> 01:53:26.039
<v Speaker 11>printing press and like distribution of books within a certain region,

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01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:29.039
<v Speaker 11>you can kind of say, like, okay, well, the decentralized

1660
01:53:29.079 --> 01:53:31.800
<v Speaker 11>information that we access kind of contributed to say like

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01:53:32.520 --> 01:53:35.319
<v Speaker 11>BLM becoming a massive movement in the US because you

1662
01:53:35.399 --> 01:53:38.520
<v Speaker 11>can kind of latch onto these subgroups, identify with the

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01:53:38.600 --> 01:53:43.960
<v Speaker 11>group that doesn't really respect national boundaries, can transnational or

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01:53:44.079 --> 01:53:47.880
<v Speaker 11>like international, and like, I don't know, I just I

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01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:50.920
<v Speaker 11>guess it's kind of not a super well formed question

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01:53:51.079 --> 01:53:52.640
<v Speaker 11>because I have a lot of ideas.

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<v Speaker 7>Here, but like, well, if you're meaning in a more

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<v Speaker 7>like conspiratorial sense, that why I would be familiar with

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<v Speaker 7>and I would agree with because you know, if you

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<v Speaker 7>read for example, Full Spectrum Dominance by F. William Ingdahl,

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<v Speaker 7>he talks about the means and methods of studying swarming

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<v Speaker 7>and manipulation of networks, and for example, in the Arab Spring,

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<v Speaker 7>we had some of the first experiments with engaging in

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<v Speaker 7>social revolution and government toppling through Twitter and social media.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you get into more advanced like graduate studies

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<v Speaker 7>of intelligence research, they will actually use textbooks like the

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<v Speaker 7>Marketing of Rebellion where they talk about specific groups being

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<v Speaker 7>targeted and marketed with a kind of rebellion like you're

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<v Speaker 7>talking about, and that's done at a very sophisticated, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>rank corporation pentagon level that can occur. So that comes

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<v Speaker 7>to mind if that's what you mean, Like, did think

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<v Speaker 7>tanks and powerful organizations study how to market revolution social media? Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 7>and there's a there's a textbook on it called Marketing

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<v Speaker 7>of Rebellion.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, okay, great, I'll check those out. If you

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<v Speaker 3>don't mine, can I just ask like on the topic,

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<v Speaker 3>do I have a moment?

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<v Speaker 11>So I mean, so thank you for that now, like

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<v Speaker 11>kind of looking at this through the lens of say,

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<v Speaker 11>like evangelism, and like the spreading is kind of orthodox

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<v Speaker 11>Christianity or how like Protestantism took off, Like obviously Protestantism

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<v Speaker 11>couldn't have taken off without the printing press, right, like

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<v Speaker 11>the I feel.

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<v Speaker 7>Like, by the way, the book is, it's Cambridge University

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<v Speaker 7>Press and it's called Marketing of Rebellion insurgence, media and

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<v Speaker 7>international activism. But it lines up with what Ingdahl talks

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<v Speaker 7>about because he talked about believe it or not, the

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<v Speaker 7>Pentagon and the Rank Corporation were actually studying this at

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<v Speaker 7>the time of the sixties democratic student revolutions. They were

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<v Speaker 7>studying the concept of swarming and creating on the spot mobs,

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<v Speaker 7>mob attacks, and how to actually organize that in a

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<v Speaker 7>in a even before the Internet existed. So this is

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<v Speaker 7>actually a pretty sophisticated thing, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I mean you know that kind of I'm sure

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<v Speaker 11>they kind of built off the idea and I'll definitely

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<v Speaker 11>check that out that like, you know, like World War

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<v Speaker 11>One couldn't have kicked off if you didn't have like

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<v Speaker 11>seventy percent literacy rate in Europe at the time and

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<v Speaker 11>people weren't able to read like mass market or like

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<v Speaker 11>you know, mass public pamphlets.

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<v Speaker 7>Like we Are the Revolution, that type of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 11>But yeah, anyways, the next question is kind of like

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<v Speaker 11>on the topic of how this might affect like evangelization

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<v Speaker 11>and kind of the spread of religion. I think it's

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<v Speaker 11>clear like Protestantism couldn't have taken off. It like there

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<v Speaker 11>wasn't a mass printed Bible, right, but like, was that

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<v Speaker 11>the way that the church fathers and kind of the

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<v Speaker 11>original people.

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<v Speaker 7>In the church, well they could the analogy there is

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<v Speaker 7>coin a Greek because Greek was the common language language

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<v Speaker 7>of the Empire. You had you know, Alexander the Great

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<v Speaker 7>spreading Greek everywhere. That is what made everybody able to convert.

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<v Speaker 7>So in other words, that laid the ground where that

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<v Speaker 7>was the presupposition for the conversion to Christianity. So absolutely

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<v Speaker 7>also I forgot. Yeah, there is this old Guardian article

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<v Speaker 7>that's very important. We bring it up all the time,

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<v Speaker 7>and it was almost twenty years ago, right. This is

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<v Speaker 7>a British Ministry of Defense white paper about what the

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<v Speaker 7>future would look like in our days, almost our days

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<v Speaker 7>twenty thirty, we're almost there. Revolutions, flash mobs and brain chips,

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<v Speaker 7>grim visions of the future. And so when I was

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<v Speaker 7>mentioning swarming, this is the same principle as the flash

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<v Speaker 7>moms h broad So this is again this has been

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<v Speaker 7>intensely studied and as you guys know, you might not

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<v Speaker 7>be aware of this, maybe you're a casual listener. One

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<v Speaker 7>of the things we've done on my channel over the

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<v Speaker 7>years is we've we've analyzed and read through and studied

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<v Speaker 7>quite a few white papers. We've done the NATO Psyop document.

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<v Speaker 7>We've done uh Silent Weapons Required Wars document. We've done

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<v Speaker 7>a bunch of them, right, We've done the Lockstep uh

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<v Speaker 7>for four stage white paper from the rock Filler Foundation.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, we've done a lot of these, and so

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<v Speaker 7>I'm trying to remember that one Cognitive Warfare that's the

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<v Speaker 7>NATO one. Uh, They're they're all kind of similar. Oh,

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<v Speaker 7>I forgot it. There's also the British Ministry of Defense

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<v Speaker 7>Transhumanist document. I forgot. That's a whole other, a whole

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<v Speaker 7>other one. So it's like, like, what's funny is all

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<v Speaker 7>of this stuff is in these kinds of boring white papers,

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<v Speaker 7>and uh, they're fascinating to read, they're pretty boring, the

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<v Speaker 7>problem is that there's not like one. See, whenever you

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<v Speaker 7>do these talks on YouTube, you have to like tie