1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:02:08,159 Speaker 1: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. 2 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 2: The theople do the. 3 00:02:32,879 --> 00:03:46,759 Speaker 1: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. 4 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 3: The the. 5 00:03:51,560 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: Bunt the bunting them do the the. 6 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:21,319 Speaker 4: The the. 7 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:25,399 Speaker 2: People don't do. 8 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 5: Don't do the. 9 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 3: The the. 10 00:04:50,519 --> 00:04:52,439 Speaker 2: The do. 11 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 4: Do do do. 12 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:27,399 Speaker 2: The the the the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. 13 00:05:29,519 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 3: The the the the. 14 00:05:47,839 --> 00:06:02,879 Speaker 1: The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the the. 15 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:16,399 Speaker 3: The the. 16 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:30,720 Speaker 2: The people don't do. 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What's up? Hopefully everybody had a good time. 47 00:14:29,759 --> 00:14:37,759 Add to church, y'all go to church today anyway. Welcome 48 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:42,320 to another open forum, another discussion. I've got all kinds 49 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,879 of topics that we could discuss. We've also opened it 50 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,200 up for people to call on any topic except tag. 51 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,360 Not doing tag today, but anything else. You want to 52 00:14:51,360 --> 00:15:02,399 talk about, geopolitics, God, feminism, liberalism, libertarianism, men and women, dating, 53 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:13,960 riz or Mojo, World War three, geopolitical texts like Tragian Hope, 54 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:21,559 like Jacquette Lee, like Moses Hess. What do you guys 55 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,519 want to talk about? I'm open to discussing. I want 56 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:26,720 to hear it's also some of your feedback. I want 57 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,240 you to tell me where I'm wrong. I want you 58 00:15:28,279 --> 00:15:31,600 to correct me, put me in my place. I'm ready 59 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:36,600 for you to defeat me. Show me how deficient my 60 00:15:36,759 --> 00:15:44,519 arguments are. A pitiful bitcoin crypto. You want to talk 61 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:46,799 about that, Let's talk about it. Tell me about it. 62 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:49,480 You a gold boomer, You want to set me straight? 63 00:15:51,039 --> 00:15:57,559 You a leprechaun. Give me me Gord, give me Gord, 64 00:15:58,639 --> 00:16:02,720 give me me Spanish dooms. Are you a pirate? Are 65 00:16:02,759 --> 00:16:08,559 you a pirate, pirateeering, privateering a Spanish galleon? You're gonna 66 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:11,360 set me straight about where the future is going back 67 00:16:11,399 --> 00:16:16,200 to pirate times? Are you a Muslim? You want to 68 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:21,440 set me straight on the Islams? Well, guess what today's 69 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:32,519 your day? Dog? Today is your day? Class warfare, prole drift. 70 00:16:32,759 --> 00:16:35,720 Have you heard of this? That's also on the table. 71 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:38,559 I got some good videos that I saw on that. 72 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:46,320 Let's start with Caleb since he was waiting yesterday crazy. 73 00:16:46,519 --> 00:16:46,879 What's up? 74 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:52,039 Speaker 3: Hey, j first till thank you for having me on 75 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,320 It's Home to finally speak with you. I recently got 76 00:16:55,399 --> 00:16:57,679 into all your content about like. 77 00:16:58,039 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 7: Six seven months ago. 78 00:17:00,039 --> 00:17:01,799 Speaker 4: So I've been on my own journey of trying to, 79 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:03,200 you know, find a church. 80 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:07,279 Speaker 7: And I recently stumbled on to Orthodox Church challenge. 81 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,839 Speaker 3: Just wondering if you could give me like some questions 82 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,640 and some pointers on what I should be looking for 83 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,559 to see if this church is like connected with the 84 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,119 Deep State and things like that. 85 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:20,519 Speaker 7: What kind of Orthodox church? 86 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 3: Uh, it's a antioch and Orthodox church. 87 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 7: Uh, that's probably the best that you're going to be 88 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:31,960 able to find if that's what's near you. Yeah, there's 89 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,519 only like three of them, and one of them old Greek. 90 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,519 Speaker 3: So unless I pick up Greek real. 91 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,079 Speaker 1: Soon, I'm going there. 92 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,799 Speaker 7: I know it's probably your best bet. Usually they're they're 93 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,640 better than everybody else for the most part. Ohio, what's up? 94 00:17:47,279 --> 00:17:50,119 Good question, though, Guys, what's up? You want to support 95 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,839 the stream? You can do so in the super chat 96 00:17:52,279 --> 00:17:58,279 section they're through stream lands or natively through YouTube. What's up? Ohio? 97 00:17:58,400 --> 00:17:58,680 I'm you. 98 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:01,519 Speaker 3: Can you hear me? 99 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 7: Yeah? 100 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 8: Just a quick comment on the state a very sad 101 00:18:08,079 --> 00:18:13,000 state of Catholic apologetics. I suppose you don't follow along 102 00:18:13,079 --> 00:18:19,119 with Michael Laughton and the True So they recently I 103 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:24,440 just seccidentally saw this. They recently invited Jake the massive 104 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:27,960 metaphysician and some the Orthodox Masim. 105 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 7: I don't know if you know him. He's like the 106 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,240 biggest Orthodox Muslim I've seen that channel. 107 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 8: Libyano also called Lesbiano. Yeah, he's an absolute idiot, but 108 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:44,480 he's like the biggest Moslim TikTok experience. So I just 109 00:18:44,559 --> 00:18:49,160 want to comment on how retarded reason and theology and 110 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:54,559 cruiz when they literally invite people that you and doctor 111 00:18:54,599 --> 00:18:58,160 Bradshaw and others destroyed years ago to debate some very 112 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:01,480 let's say, subpar opponents and give them a very large 113 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:07,680 platform to spread the radio idiotic interpretations. For example that 114 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:11,759 with Biano, guy literally uses the Philippins passage and things 115 00:19:11,839 --> 00:19:14,440 that being in the form of God is the equivalent 116 00:19:14,559 --> 00:19:16,599 of being created in the image of God. So he 117 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,799 says this is a proof that he's actually just a human. 118 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 7: Even though the passage says. 119 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:23,880 Speaker 3: He says he. 120 00:19:25,559 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 8: In this form of God, he interpreted it so it 121 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,480 says that it's just the image of God. So that's 122 00:19:31,519 --> 00:19:33,599 the proof of Islam in his opinion. So, yeah, the 123 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:37,920 level of re tradition they spread and just wanted to 124 00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:41,440 find it's very funny that instead they hate you so 125 00:19:41,559 --> 00:19:43,519 much and your sphere so much. 126 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 7: That they, yeah, they'll bring on antirects people that you 127 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,799 and your Yeah, they'll bring on anti Christ, and Islam 128 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,839 is Antichrist. As first John says, if you don't confess 129 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,400 the deity of the Sun, you're of the spirit of 130 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,240 anti Christ. And now that's not surprising that Loughton would 131 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,079 bring on Antichrist because Lofton is Antichrist. I mean Lofton 132 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,640 is over here trying to sue other Roman Catholics from 133 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:10,920 making fun of him. So, I mean, no, I'm not 134 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:14,920 surprised that that's the level to which they have sunk, because, 135 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,240 as I said, we're at the point where anyone left 136 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:23,200 in Roman Catholicism. It's just kind of sad. I mean, 137 00:20:24,039 --> 00:20:26,960 you know, there's no there's really no other indicators or 138 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:31,400 things that could happen to make it clear unless you 139 00:20:31,519 --> 00:20:38,519 are just utterly obstinate grifting, tripling down, quadrupling down because 140 00:20:38,559 --> 00:20:42,359 of sunken cost fallacy, all that kind of stuff. So 141 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,480 you know, really really at the point when there's just 142 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:46,799 no point in even interacting, it's time to move on. 143 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:50,039 So yeah, next he'll have a net and yahoo on 144 00:20:50,319 --> 00:21:00,480 to explain Christianity to us. Boo caster, what's up, Jay? 145 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 9: Can you hear me? 146 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:03,799 Speaker 10: Yeah? 147 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:11,319 Speaker 3: So I knew that you were Cardinal were right, So 148 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:12,319 that's interesting. 149 00:21:13,039 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 7: How do you observe Lent not doing that question today? 150 00:21:17,599 --> 00:21:23,359 So we're not asking personal questions about my diet. The 151 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,039 way I get around it is that I pay a 152 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,839 jysia to Dugan, who pays that to Putin, and I 153 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:35,680 get a free pass. Caleb. What's up, hey, Jay? 154 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 3: I just got a question for absolutely divine simplicity. 155 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 10: So, if all of God's attributes in reality are not distinct, 156 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:53,680 then how is it even possible to have a conceptual distinction? 157 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,480 Like if all numbers were in reality like not distinct, 158 00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:03,119 then like, how is it even cohesive to come up 159 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,839 with an idea of like a conceptual distinction? 160 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,279 Speaker 7: They see, They'll just say that metaphysically, it has to 161 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,960 be that way because any other approach makes God composite, 162 00:22:15,559 --> 00:22:19,279 which is itself a metaphysical assumption that's totally incoherent with 163 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:23,079 the notion of a triad. But that's the very point, 164 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,799 is that their system is inconsistent. 165 00:22:25,079 --> 00:22:27,599 Speaker 3: So okay, thank you very much. 166 00:22:27,799 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 7: Yep, But yeah, I think you raise a good point, 167 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,359 which is essentially what Palamus raises in Dialogue with a 168 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,720 Barley Mte. He says, really, you don't know what the 169 00:22:36,839 --> 00:22:40,119 attributes are. If it's all creative effects, then you don't 170 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,079 even know that any of these attributes are matching up 171 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:46,240 at all. So the result is atheism, correct, Patrick, what's 172 00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:50,119 a good question though, You're on the right track, gilt 173 00:22:50,519 --> 00:22:50,839 uh huh. 174 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:51,599 Speaker 3: Yeah. 175 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 11: I just had a couple quick questions and then a comment. 176 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:58,680 What's the exact reason that there's no more ecumenical councils 177 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:00,000 is just because the faith has. 178 00:23:00,079 --> 00:23:02,759 Speaker 4: Fully been delivered or what's the exact reason. 179 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:09,839 Speaker 7: Well, there's no economia or empire, which is where the 180 00:23:10,079 --> 00:23:13,799 councils came from. But after the ecumenical councils, there are 181 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,920 still councils. So there's pan Orthodox synods that are accepted 182 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,119 throughout the world, and there's the Palamite Synods which make 183 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,279 up the ninth Ecumenical Council. So there have been ecumenical 184 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:27,440 councils after the seventh, but since that time, since the 185 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:32,519 erupturing of the imperium and the collapse of Byzantium, really 186 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:35,599 all you could have is pan Orthodox synods that for 187 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,960 the most part have been received, such as you know, 188 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,799 confession of dyscytheus or patriarchal and cyclical those kinds of 189 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:48,039 things are essentially the same type of thing. But even 190 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:50,799 the Roman Calolic Church doesn't have any consistent means or 191 00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:54,119 method or explanation as to which ones are ecumenical councils. 192 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:55,559 It's really arbitrary. 193 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks, And then the other question I had was 194 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,759 I was kind of getting this debate with this Catholic, 195 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,359 and he brought up Tertullian and how he opposed the 196 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,440 Bishop of Rome for like handing out indulgences universally, and 197 00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:12,960 he was claiming that, oh, the Bishop of Rome was 198 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,319 clearly already implementing universal authority during this time. 199 00:24:17,559 --> 00:24:19,839 Speaker 3: But I just wanted to hear what your perspective on 200 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,279 that is. 201 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:27,839 Speaker 7: I've never heard of anyone arguing that indulgences were happening 202 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,960 this early. I think what you're referring to is the 203 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,000 idea that there was a tradition in Rome that if 204 00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:40,200 you were a tradeatur or a person who had fallen 205 00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:43,680 during times of persecution, the debate the question was could 206 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,200 you be restored? Could you be come back to communion? 207 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,000 That is not an indulgence. So I don't know where 208 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,279 he's getting that idea. That's a quote painful indulgence. The 209 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,079 same discussion occurs in the time of Saint Cyprian, and 210 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:01,759 this is where we get the Novationists and eventually donates 211 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:06,559 the different sects of the pure, the people who didn't 212 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:11,839 fold in persecution. It wasn't just a tradition in Rome, 213 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,759 but it was a tradition in Rome. But the fact 214 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:19,039 that the Bishops of Rome upheld that tradition and were correct, 215 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:25,160 does not prove universal jurisdiction or universal papal indulgences, and 216 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:29,880 indulgence is something very different. That's a temporal remission of 217 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,039 the penalty, a remission of the temporal debt of sins, 218 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,640 whereas in confession you have in the Roman Catholic system 219 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:40,000 the eternal debt forgiven. So that's totally different from indulgences. 220 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:43,359 But the fact that Tertullian opposed that, I mean you 221 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,039 could just counter with the fact that Irenaeus opposed Pope 222 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,440 Victor in his attempt at universal claims. So they just 223 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:52,200 pick and choose. 224 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:54,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds about right. 225 00:25:54,599 --> 00:25:56,839 Speaker 11: And then a quick comment. I just think it's funny, 226 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,039 like with Vatican too. It just creates this indefensible or 227 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,480 impenetrable position with so much ambiguity. Eventually you're just going 228 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:09,359 to get something so far from the original product which 229 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,640 we see today with all the skittle stuff, Like I 230 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,039 don't even know what it's going to be like in 231 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,559 fifty years. I mean, it's already so far from what 232 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:18,599 it quote unquote started as. 233 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 7: It's just yeah, well wait, Vatican three. Vatican three will 234 00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:26,680 be the next level. Yeah, all right, thank you. Yeah, 235 00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:30,640 great points to the person who is this Dawson person 236 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,359 call in. Yeah, in our chat, people that disagree, we 237 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,480 expect you to come and have the discussion. So it's 238 00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:45,200 not a chat for people to just spam whatever sector 239 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:49,559 involved in great questions there whole appreciate that, Jr. What's up? 240 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,640 And I would say, you know, Vatican two is not 241 00:26:52,839 --> 00:26:56,000 just ambiguous. There's a lot of places where it is ambiguous. 242 00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:57,920 There's a lot of places where it's very clear what 243 00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:03,599 it means. So, uh, weaponized ambiguity is real, but it's 244 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,559 also something that you know, Tim Gordon and people like 245 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,400 that trot out as an excuse to be like, well, 246 00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,440 see you can still interpret it in a conservative way. No, actually, 247 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:16,440 no stratate is not able to be interpreted in a 248 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:21,319 conservative way. So weaponized ambiguity is only part of the picture. 249 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,960 It's half the story. The rest of it is where 250 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,000 it's not ambiguous and it's very clear, John, what's up. 251 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,039 Speaker 3: My only question to Hugh is what are you going 252 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,319 to say to your lord when he asks you why 253 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,359 you led men to be mongoloids? 254 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, you need to say it in a gayer voice. 255 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,759 And then I'll listen to you, because then I'll know 256 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,799 that you're If you talk like this, I'll know you're pios. 257 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:50,279 Speaker 3: So one I had two ideas about talking about something, 258 00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,400 but one thing, particularly in Tragedy and Hope, because I 259 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:57,799 realized more and more, just like you're realizing that people 260 00:27:58,319 --> 00:28:02,160 things that mean you old times, we take for granted 261 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,480 that people already knew. And one of the things that 262 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,960 blew my mind in Tragedy and Hope back in the 263 00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:14,400 day was that the JP Morgan banker Thomas Lamont, was 264 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:20,240 actually the head of the communist parties or in New 265 00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:25,039 York City, right, And that's in Tragedy and Hope. So 266 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:30,680 his name was Thomas H. Lamont, and he started the 267 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,359 it was either the American Workers Party or the American 268 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:40,240 Communist Party in New York City at the time. And 269 00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:46,519 so once again, like there's this idea, and it's funny 270 00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,640 that we do have to reiterate this from time to time, 271 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,000 is that the communist movements are not movements of the 272 00:28:54,119 --> 00:28:59,599 down trodden, especially in the modern times. There was a 273 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,119 good point in a book I was reading on music 274 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:06,480 years back, and it made the point because you know, 275 00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:11,319 Woody Guthrie was a communist too, and he was making 276 00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,839 music not for you know, he's writing about the dust Bowl, 277 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,200 okis and whatnot, But he wasn't making music for the 278 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:21,480 dust Bowl, okie. He was making music for the New 279 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:29,200 York bohemians. And so that's technically where people get lost 280 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,759 is they don't realize that the that there's like a 281 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:41,359 bohemian kind of like bourgeois aspect to Marxism and communism 282 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,839 where it's kind of you know, it's it's got radical chic. 283 00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:55,079 Speaker 7: Yes, absolutely great point. I'm looking up that there's there's 284 00:29:55,079 --> 00:30:04,319 a significant section on Lamont starting around page chief. Evidence 285 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,480 can be found in the files of the HUACT documents 286 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:09,759 which show that Tom Lamont and his wife Flora and 287 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:15,680 their son were sponsors of almost all left organizations and 288 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:21,319 extreme left organizations and the Communist Party itself. Now, I 289 00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,400 don't think he says right here who that is. Let's 290 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,680 see if he goes on to say this was a 291 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,319 large communist front organization. This was also basically all the 292 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:37,359 unions unions are fake and gay and used other lamonts. 293 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:43,559 He mentions, let's see the Institute for Pacific Relations also 294 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,160 in other one of these front organizations pushing socialism and communism. 295 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a CFR type thing for the correct for 296 00:30:50,799 --> 00:30:51,759 the Asian countries. 297 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,359 Speaker 7: Yes it is. I'm just trying to figure out, he says, 298 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,000 this guy's pedigree. I'm not doubting you. I'm just I 299 00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:00,880 just wanted to find this, that's all. 300 00:31:01,079 --> 00:31:04,839 Speaker 3: Oh, you're talking about that he's a JP Morgan banker. Yes, yeah, 301 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:06,359 it's it's in there. 302 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 7: Let's see forty five to forty seven. It might be, 303 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,680 so he's in there quite a few times. Let's see 304 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:27,400 nine thirty seven, because that's really powerful. In fact, that's 305 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:36,359 even probably that might be worth putting on Twitter. Yeah, 306 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,279 let's so you have to go back a few pages 307 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:45,960 here and let's see. Yes, that's essentially what he's saying. 308 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:47,720 I don't see where he mentions Laman on this space, 309 00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:52,079 but he's basically saying that these wealthy Eastern Seaboard families, 310 00:31:53,720 --> 00:32:01,559 Payne Whitney, people at Harvard Morgan firm, Wall Street elites 311 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:07,160 are intimately tied up in communism, right, not all of them, 312 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:07,920 but many of them. 313 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Another little tidbit is that you know the CFR 314 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,319 is at of Pratt House, right, and the Pratt family 315 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,920 is George. 316 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 7: Schultz the former. 317 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: What was he like, secretary of state in Yeah, so 318 00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,359 he was one of the pre he was like a 319 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,759 pratt and so his family, his family's building is where 320 00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:42,240 the CFR is housed. Just yes, that's another little interesting 321 00:32:42,359 --> 00:32:46,839 tidbit when because once again like the what was the 322 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,200 what was the question yesterday where it was like do 323 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:55,640 politicians actually run stuff? Yeah, it's like, okay, well they am. 324 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,559 So you have a secretary of state whose family literally 325 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,200 donated that the building to where the CFR is and 326 00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:08,200 and that's how politicians are managed exactly. 327 00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's it's just for whatever reason, especially when you're 328 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,960 trying to convey this to boomers, you cannot convey to 329 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:24,119 convey to boomers that Marxism socialism is essentially a controlled dialectic. 330 00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,920 They just cannot get this. And then trying to convey 331 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,599 to them that politicians have a very limited ability to 332 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:37,720 run things and that they're subservient to these NGOs, think 333 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:40,079 tanks and steering committees, that just seems to be an 334 00:33:40,119 --> 00:33:43,599 insurmountable thing. I've never been able to convey that to 335 00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:47,599 outside of like Jim Jottras and you know, my godfather 336 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,200 Dean Arnold all. You know, they were, and they're both 337 00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,039 pretty well read and they understand all this. But I 338 00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:56,640 think Jim. In Jim's case, his dad was the Moscow 339 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,240 you know station at the Moscow Embassy throughout the Cold War, 340 00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:02,759 so he saw a lot of this kind of stuff 341 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,480 up close, and so he understands all this stuff. But 342 00:34:05,519 --> 00:34:10,559 I think for most people this is just an insurmountable things. 343 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 12: Even a lot of the. 344 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 3: Even a lot of the boots on the ground people 345 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,840 like the weather underground. They're all from wealthy Jewish. 346 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 7: Exactly, yes, and then when you bring this up, they're like, well, 347 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:30,159 why would they before that they're against the rich. Yeah, 348 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,320 Like that's the answer you get. It's like, why would 349 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:39,079 David Rockefeller like Fabian socialism? He's a capitalist even though 350 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,800 and you show him like the New York Times where 351 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:46,800 David Rockefeller praises it, you know, socialism and Maoism. It's like, 352 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,800 I don't believe that. I don't believe that. 353 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 13: There's another thing to. 354 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 3: Switchy topics real quick. I was going to ask you 355 00:34:54,880 --> 00:35:01,039 one thing, so, like with canvas Owens covering Charlie Kirk, thing, 356 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,440 isn't that a weird development within conspiracy research to have 357 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:14,440 like real time and analysis of a like big assassinate 358 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,760 not only not only her, but like multiple peoples on 359 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,119 the interwebs doing full skill and now like that didn't 360 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:26,280 happen in the past. 361 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 7: You know what I mean, Well we did, Yeah. I 362 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,159 think it's like a further development of the real time 363 00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:40,280 cameras in the heat of you know, Desert Storm, that 364 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:45,960 was the first live televised twenty four hour war. I know, 365 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,679 there were there were cameras at Vietnam and all that, 366 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,239 but that was like the first time cameras were directly 367 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,199 live in the war. But then Desert Storm, and this 368 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:58,480 was actually, if I remember in the Rank Corporation book, 369 00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:03,079 like it was intentionally you know, on the news channel 370 00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:06,280 twenty four seven as a first time experiment, and now 371 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,320 that's twenty four to seven internet live coverage of developing. 372 00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 3: I was thinking more along the lines of like a 373 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:17,679 lot of times when stuff like you know, in the 374 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,920 era that we've grown up in, you kind of would 375 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,239 have to wait for a book on something to come out, 376 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,920 or you'd have to wait for a documentary to kind of. 377 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:32,039 But now everything's being like developed in real time as 378 00:36:32,199 --> 00:36:34,920 stuff is just coming in and it's almost like a 379 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:40,480 one way it's almost like a because all you can 380 00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:48,519 really analyze is what's on the interwebs, right, And so 381 00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:50,880 I thought that was an interesting development. I was just 382 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,360 thinking about that as like we used to have to 383 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,360 wait for documentaries on specific subjects or books to be 384 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,480 written about subjects, but now it's all kind of happening 385 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:02,400 in real time as things happen. 386 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,159 Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's also annoying that. And I don't mind 387 00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,000 people questioning the events, but it's also annoying that people 388 00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:13,320 are seemingly coming up with their own creative stories to 389 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:17,920 get clicks in traction, sort of inventing conspiracies in real time. 390 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,920 I'm not saying that that's necessarily what Candice is doing, 391 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,800 but I'm just saying, like Twitter, come now, it incentivizes 392 00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:30,000 you constructing a hot clickbait narrative, which I see a 393 00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,639 lot of profiles doing. Like there's one of these big 394 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,039 q tard profiles that does this where every event is 395 00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:39,679 like they just post like the most ridiculous version of 396 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,119 whatever the event is and it gets like, I mean, 397 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,719 it might be boded too, but it gets you know, 398 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,920 hundreds of thousands millions of views. Don Luker he does that. 399 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:59,800 He just puts up like the most ridiculous shit. Also 400 00:38:00,039 --> 00:38:03,840 would add to I remember in the f lam Ingdall 401 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,960 interview that I did, he says, I can't remember if 402 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,760 he says that it's only mentioned once or it never 403 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:15,440 comes up. But looking here at the page that mentions 404 00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:19,599 Thomas Lamont, this is page nine to fifty five, it 405 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:23,119 actually mentions the Rockefellers in a very significant way here. 406 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:28,639 So I don't know if Ingdall was saying that quickly 407 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,480 downplays the role of the Rockefellers, or if he says 408 00:38:31,519 --> 00:38:35,239 it's never mentioned, but they are mentioned in a significant 409 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:40,800 way on page nine fifty five. By the way, Owen, 410 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,000 what's up man, what's on your mind? 411 00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 3: Hello? 412 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a question about. 413 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,199 Speaker 3: Being a being a debater. 414 00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 14: So I'm a second year philosophy student, second year catechum 415 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,159 and hopefully going to be baptized soon enough here too. 416 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,840 And and you've been debating for many, many years, and 417 00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,639 I have a desire to eventually get into, you know, 418 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:17,360 formal debates about philosophy theology, and but my current gripe 419 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,440 about it is not the debate's bad. Of course, debate 420 00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,199 I think is very good. But more so, do I 421 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,639 have the personality for it? Do I have the skills 422 00:39:25,679 --> 00:39:25,920 for it? 423 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:27,360 Speaker 10: You know? 424 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:32,519 Speaker 14: How do I go into a debate without you know, 425 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,320 getting too heated or frustrated when someone is hard headed 426 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:37,760 and doesn't understand what I'm saying. 427 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 3: So I'm wondering what are some of. 428 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 14: Your advice, if if you have any as to moving 429 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,880 into being a debater, especially as an orthodox Christian as 430 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,159 some interested in philosophy. 431 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,880 Speaker 3: Uh, how do how would I go about that? 432 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,079 Speaker 4: How would I think about that? Given your experience? 433 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 7: I don't know how relevant that's going to be in 434 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,599 higher education. 435 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 4: I know that. 436 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,599 Speaker 7: University has been moving away from the idea of people 437 00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,599 being trained in rhetoric and debate because it's not amenable 438 00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:19,039 to socialism and socialization, which is the path that they 439 00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:22,159 chose a long time ago. So, as far as I'm aware, 440 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,280 unless you're at a more elite sort of private school 441 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,639 or something, debate has been frowned upon and is gradually 442 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:32,800 going away. So I wouldn't think about that, Especially if 443 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,159 you're a heterosexual, white male. You're not going to be 444 00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:39,239 welcomed in academia anyway, so you might as well just 445 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,079 not waste your time with that stuff. If you want 446 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,880 to engage in doing debates on your own. You know, 447 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,079 I would still learn philosophy and learn epistemology and learn 448 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:54,320 basic fallacies and logic and all that, because you're not 449 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,000 really going to be effective at debating without having those skills. 450 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,639 I would listen to listen to all of Greg Boonnson's 451 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:04,960 debates many times over. That will help you to get 452 00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:06,360 fluent in it. 453 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:08,639 Speaker 4: I would. 454 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,519 Speaker 7: Also just do debates because there's really no way to 455 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:17,880 be effective and get good at it. What'sout doing it 456 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,960 a lot. Also doing it a lot helps you become 457 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,760 a better speaker and communicator. When I look back on 458 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,840 first internet debate I think I ever uploaded was like 459 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,039 twenty twelve, and it was a debate with a guy 460 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:37,119 from Facebook who was an evolutionary proponent. And although I've 461 00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:42,400 done many debates before that at university on campus, walking 462 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,800 around in coffee shops, doing it in a recorded format, 463 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,760 it sounded terrible. I think it's I don't know, I 464 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,719 don't remember if it's still online or not. I might 465 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,880 have taken it down, but it's going to take you, 466 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,360 as I think, as most people say, with any subject matter, 467 00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,679 ten years to get really good at something. So if 468 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,119 you really wants to debate, you would have to be, 469 00:42:02,599 --> 00:42:06,599 you know, pretty much doing it consistently. And however you 470 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,960 want to try to set that up, you know, if 471 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,760 you're new, I would say, you know, start making YouTube 472 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:17,960 videos or Twitter spaces or discord spaces or discord voice 473 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,840 chats or whatever and recording them. And this is what 474 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,360 all the comedians have told me, by the way, which 475 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,400 is ironically the same thing I would say about what 476 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,199 you're trying to do. If you want to be good 477 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:34,079 at debate and public speaking and all that, begin to 478 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:38,079 record what you do and listen back to it. It's 479 00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:42,639 going to get annoying, it's going to be pretty meticulous 480 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,000 and monotonous. But then when you listen and listen back, 481 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:51,119 try to focus on making your arguments and your points 482 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,480 more and more concise. One thing I've noticed that a 483 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:58,679 quality speaker and communicator has, and I still struggle with this. 484 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,119 I'm not saying I'm perfect it, but I've gotten a 485 00:43:01,119 --> 00:43:05,000 lot better at it is not rambling, not getting to 486 00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:07,599 the point. Making the argument as clear and concise as 487 00:43:07,679 --> 00:43:11,760 possible is essential to being a good communicator. A lot 488 00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,199 of people when they call in and I'm not faulting you, guys, 489 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:20,000 because it takes many years and countless podcasts before you 490 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:22,400 get to be I think, pretty effective at talking and 491 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,039 communicating and then it becomes second nature. And the comedians, 492 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:27,760 the stand ups that I've been talking to, they say 493 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,000 the same thing, right, they say, you know, come up 494 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:33,559 with a three to five minute set, record yourself doing it, 495 00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,760 and then tweak it get better. It's the same for 496 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,800 probably any public speaking form of art. You want to 497 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,840 record it and get to where you tweak it and notice, oh, 498 00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:48,559 you know, I put in a bunch of and I 499 00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,199 still do. Everybody does that. It's very, very difficult to 500 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:55,440 get rid of all your us It's just a significant 501 00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:59,440 challenge for anybody who does public speaking. So work on that. 502 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,519 And those are the best things I could think of. 503 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,119 And if you really like doing it and get into it, 504 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,639 you're just going to keep doing it, and that will 505 00:44:11,119 --> 00:44:14,119 itself be the way that you sort of iron out 506 00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,440 the kinks and get effective at it. And when it 507 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,559 comes to people getting on your nerves, that's never going 508 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:24,440 to stop, so you might as well get used to it. 509 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,639 There's never going to be this place where you reach 510 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,599 this elite status and you only interact with other high minded, 511 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,159 sophisticated philosophers, and the dialogue is very civil, and you're 512 00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,440 always going to have idiots and people that are dumb, 513 00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,159 and I think what you have to do is get 514 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,239 used to that and try as best you can to 515 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,039 have fun with it, especially if you're planning on becoming 516 00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:51,280 a YouTube debater. But if you're thinking that you're going 517 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,360 to go into academia and become some sort of respected debater, no, 518 00:44:55,199 --> 00:44:57,199 I don't even think that exists anymore, and especially not 519 00:44:57,199 --> 00:45:00,840 if you're a waiga. If you'd like to become a 520 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:05,280 trans lesbian and become a Muslim and roll around in 521 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:11,760 a wheelchair and identify as a transabled lesbian Muslim debater, 522 00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:21,239 you probably could be successful in the university racket. Jeff, 523 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:27,960 what's up. I'm a transabled lesbian Muslim public speaking debater 524 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,360 and I charged fifty thousand dollars per minute to speak 525 00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:37,079 at your university. Yep, Hey, she was just. 526 00:45:37,079 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 3: Talking about debating. 527 00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:42,119 Speaker 15: I got into the debate because of you and just 528 00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,599 listening to tag arguments. I recently had a debate go 529 00:45:47,119 --> 00:45:51,280 Jimbob like reviewed it. It's called an atheist host loses 530 00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:54,920 his shit and it's really it's a really I mean, 531 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,079 it's super funny, and that's what I was going to say. 532 00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:58,719 It's like a I'm kind of sad, but at the 533 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,440 same time, I get why you don't do TAG because 534 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,599 it becomes so repetitive. 535 00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:07,280 Speaker 7: Well it's not that I don't, I'm just not in 536 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,199 the mood lately to do it. I'd like to talk 537 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,840 about some other things. And when I start spending a 538 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,239 lot of time talking about TAG, you know, hundreds of 539 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:18,079 people leave and they don't understand the verbiage. It's like 540 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,239 you're it's like you're describing, you know, the inner workings 541 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,159 of the iPhone, you know, right, and people are just 542 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,320 they tune out so well. 543 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,239 Speaker 15: It becomes like a lecture and you're educating the other person. 544 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,920 But I guess what I would say is like, like 545 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,159 maybe if you just start more like having fun with 546 00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,119 it and just kind of teasing them, because like this 547 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:37,840 guy's reaction, I wasn't. 548 00:46:37,639 --> 00:46:40,679 Speaker 3: Expecting at and it was I mean, it was like gold. 549 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,320 Speaker 15: And when I started watching you, some of these atheist 550 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,880 reactions can be some of the funniest, like and just 551 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,400 be like the most entertaining because they really will argue 552 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,960 and then at the end they're like, yeah, well I'm 553 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,280 a chair. I'm an automan basically, and it's it's like, 554 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:55,320 how are you talking to me? 555 00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:55,880 Speaker 13: You know what I mean. 556 00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:57,159 Speaker 3: That's usually how I'll start it. 557 00:46:57,199 --> 00:46:59,079 Speaker 15: I'm like, cool, so are you an automan? 558 00:46:59,119 --> 00:46:59,599 Speaker 7: Are you a chair? 559 00:46:59,639 --> 00:47:00,840 Speaker 3: They'll say no, of course not, and. 560 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 15: Then at the end of it they're like, well, I 561 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:03,840 guess I guess you are. 562 00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:04,639 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 563 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 15: So that's going to hang up because it's like when 564 00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:07,719 I don't talk to ottomans. 565 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,800 Speaker 7: That's funny. Yeah, I mean I think also, debate nowadays 566 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,119 is kind of entertainment, which I don't really care. I mean, 567 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,079 you know, I can't really control it. So you know, 568 00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:26,599 classical formal Oxford style debates are not very prominent what 569 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,239 we have, and I don't again, I'm not knocking it right. 570 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,920 The bloodsports stuff is entertaining. It's fun. I'm happy to 571 00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:33,280 do it. 572 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:33,880 Speaker 16: You know. 573 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,639 Speaker 7: We did that with Tim Gordon on Timcast. We did 574 00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:40,280 that with Not So Erudite on whatever podcast. Those are 575 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,159 blood sport debates and they're entertaining, but they're not real 576 00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:46,119 debates because I mean, anybody in a real debate setting 577 00:47:46,119 --> 00:47:49,440 where hit an actual moderator. I mean not so Erudit 578 00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,679 wouldn't even make it in the door like it. It 579 00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:54,360 would be like thrown out like a judge throws out 580 00:47:54,360 --> 00:48:00,320 a court case or something. But yeah, I guess. I 581 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,239 mean again, the thing is, I think for TAG it 582 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,239 needs to kind of be its own topic because it 583 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,760 just ends up dominating and it ends up being thirty 584 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,079 forty minute explanations to people. And you know, we've done 585 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,519 thousands of hours of TAG stuff, probably on the channel, 586 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,440 and so it just gets old. I get tired of 587 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,000 the same debate. It's the same with the papos I mean, 588 00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:22,880 how many times do we have to debate the same 589 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,559 old papacy stuff, the same old quote minds that have 590 00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:29,559 been addressed. I mean, I've been seeing the papacy quote 591 00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:32,760 mind stuff addressed all the way back to when Jerry 592 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,320 Matditis and Greg Bonson debated the papacy in two thousand 593 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:41,239 or nineteen ninety eight or whenever they have that debate, 594 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,920 and the debate has progressed little to none since then. 595 00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:49,519 It's the same debate. Every one of these papecy debates 596 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:53,119 is the exact same debate. It's the exact same copy 597 00:48:53,199 --> 00:48:57,280 paste Catholic Answers stuff and the Catholic Answers copy paste shit. 598 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,599 Is it's like the same probably the same web page 599 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,320 since two thousand and three when I first first started 600 00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,079 looking into this topic, or two thousand and one, I 601 00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:12,719 should say, So you know, I'm over all that shit, 602 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,199 Like if you find that interesting, then really you're just 603 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,599 a nube to these topics. And you know, I'm not 604 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,920 shitting on you. If you if you want to go 605 00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:28,079 have that twenty plus year old debate, then. 606 00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:28,519 Speaker 3: Go do it. 607 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,800 Speaker 7: Like I'm tired of it. I've been I've been there, 608 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:39,400 done that, yeah, and I mean play It's just it's 609 00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,440 a weird time. Everything is kind of morphing into entertainment. 610 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:45,599 Speaker 11: You know. 611 00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,119 Speaker 7: That's why I was happy to write and work with 612 00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:55,159 Ryan and everybody for sam Hide is like, if you 613 00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,599 want to reach the culture, that's sam Hi. Sam Hi 614 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,159 is going to reach a lot more people than I 615 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:04,039 don't know, some boring debate, bro right, Like debating is 616 00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,960 I mean outside of the entertainment aspect of it, Like 617 00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:13,239 nobody cares about that. So you know, if you want, 618 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,719 if you're in serending the tag stuff, I mean there's 619 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:20,400 a a I mean you could spend the next six 620 00:50:20,519 --> 00:50:23,960 months to a year in my archive listening and going 621 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:36,320 through tag stuff. So anyway, Jordan, what's up. Imagine if 622 00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,920 you were a guitar teacher and you know, people were 623 00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:45,400 wanting to learn, Oh, teach me the solo in the 624 00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:50,519 Cars song, teach me the solo from Metallica's whatever gay 625 00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:53,800 song that Metallica. Like, if you were a guitar teacher, 626 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,320 you would be just sick of teaching this and you 627 00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,519 would be like, look, just go watch my video on 628 00:51:00,639 --> 00:51:04,039 how to play the solo from Inner Sandman or whatever. 629 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:05,400 I don't even know if it has the solo, but 630 00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,599 you know what I'm saying, it's just like please, that's 631 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,880 you know, imagine it. Or imagine if your Metallica and 632 00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,599 all the fans want to hear the same dumb ass 633 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:19,960 song and the same solo, and you're like, you know, 634 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:23,400 I wrote a new riff. They're like, we don't want it, 635 00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:27,719 we want to hear innertandment wouldn't you get tired of 636 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,320 the same thing over and over and over and over? 637 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,920 But I guess that's just you know kind of how. 638 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 4: It is, like. 639 00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:36,559 Speaker 3: Musicians do get paired of that. 640 00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:37,519 Speaker 6: By the way, I. 641 00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,840 Speaker 7: Humans in general will be tired of the same same 642 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,280 thing you're I mean your guitar, man, Like, what what 643 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,840 do you find annoying about? Like I don't know if 644 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,519 you teach anybody guitar or anything, but like, what what 645 00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:53,320 do you what do you find annoying about this? From 646 00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:53,840 your from A? 647 00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:57,280 Speaker 3: I think it's very similar. I think it's very similar 648 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,400 to this realm is that there's like a lot of 649 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,960 people don't take stuff like that seriously. Like music for 650 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,559 most people is kind of like something you hear at 651 00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:12,960 the grocery store or you're in the car. But I think, 652 00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:16,880 I think what what people do get annoyed with? Which 653 00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,960 is which? I think the difference here would be like 654 00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:25,119 like with you when you get upset or not upset, 655 00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:30,119 but annoyed with people asking about PSA, it's because they 656 00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:33,039 haven't put any effort into going back into the archives 657 00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:37,159 and finding it. They just say, oh, man, who argued 658 00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,760 for PSA on Twitter? I go ask questions instead of 659 00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,639 doing any research into the background of Hey, maybe I 660 00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:47,599 can go find the answer out for myself. That's probably 661 00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,039 one aspect to it. And it's kind of similar with 662 00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:56,880 the with the music because I think musicians who get popular. 663 00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,920 They get annoyed that people don't look at their back catalogs. 664 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:03,559 Speaker 7: They only like the hit song oh yeah, yeah, okay yeah. 665 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:08,960 And I think if you were teaching guitar too, you 666 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,800 would you would sort of feel out whether the person 667 00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,960 was really that serious about guitar, right, they would, you know, 668 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,199 they would be interested in learning more than I would 669 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,480 play the solo from a kiss, you know, some some 670 00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:27,000 stupid kiss song, like you know, there's more to this 671 00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,360 than this solo or or say, in the in the 672 00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:33,719 domain of debating, like there's more to debating than figuring 673 00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,599 out a few linguistic tricks or traps, right, Like I 674 00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,280 think when people first learn TAG, they think, oh, this 675 00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,760 is this cool trick I can use on everybody that 676 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,239 I debates. And then you know you're going to eventually 677 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,519 encounter a really intelligent atheist who's aware of transcendental arguments, 678 00:53:48,559 --> 00:53:51,000 and they're going to know where you're going and that 679 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,440 that trick is not going to work, right, it's not. 680 00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:56,000 There's no tricks that are going to be able to 681 00:53:56,039 --> 00:53:56,840 prepare you for. 682 00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:58,079 Speaker 2: Uh. 683 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,360 Speaker 7: You know, an atheist who is very familiar with David 684 00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:03,920 Hume and with Kant and with these other philosophers who 685 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,039 will then bring in other challenges or other positions that 686 00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,639 you're not aware of when you say you're a new 687 00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:12,599 to philosophy and you know, probably something similar in guitar, 688 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,360 where maybe you've learned all the you know, major chords 689 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:21,079 and then you've begun to learn some of the you know, 690 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,360 sophisticated solos or something I don't know, and then you think, oh, 691 00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,400 I've got you know, I'm a guitar expert. Then you 692 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,360 meet somebody who blows you away or something. 693 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:30,960 Speaker 3: You know. 694 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:33,079 Speaker 7: This is I think the arts in general are this way, 695 00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:39,000 and philosophy is one of the arts. But anyway, Jordan, 696 00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:39,440 what's up? 697 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so man, I just had like a quick, 698 00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,599 like quick question on Mary. 699 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,199 Speaker 17: So I was reading through Saint John Damascus and Singer 700 00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,960 your Pala Moss. And when I read Singer at Paula 701 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,840 Moss Homilies, it says that none of the gifts can 702 00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,280 be just stowed except your and that she's the she 703 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,800 distills O guess well, it's angles with the men, and 704 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,880 when I resent it on the masks as well, that 705 00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,760 she generates statement nature of Christ and gives them human attributes. 706 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,360 So could it be proper to say that since Mary 707 00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:18,480 cooperated with the with Christ, say humanity, can we say 708 00:55:18,519 --> 00:55:21,000 in the sense that she's a co redemptrics. 709 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,840 Speaker 7: I just am hesitant to use the terminology that's popular 710 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:30,320 amongst modern Roman Catholics. So it's not even a question 711 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:34,159 of it's just a question of whether it's wise and 712 00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:38,679 profitable to use those kinds of terms. So it's the 713 00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,760 same with like transubstantiation. If you read the ex fonti 714 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:47,480 bas translation of John Damascus, it uses the term transubstantiation. 715 00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:49,199 It's a Roman Catholic translation. 716 00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:50,599 Speaker 2: Is it wrong? 717 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,519 Speaker 7: I mean, not necessarily, but it brings a lot of 718 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:58,000 baggage that people just assume come with that terminology. Oh 719 00:55:58,199 --> 00:56:04,079 say John Damascus sentiations, that's all the medieval discussions packed 720 00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:09,760 into that urn. Well, not necessarily, So it's it's also 721 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,199 a question of propriety beyond like can we use this word? 722 00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:18,199 Sometimes it's not wise to use a word, even if 723 00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:22,159 the word is okay. I'm trying to think of another example. 724 00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,599 For example, I could say, in a limited sense, you know, 725 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:31,119 you're saved by faith, okay, But a Protestant might hear 726 00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:34,159 that and be like, oh see that's faith alone, and 727 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,039 you'll notice Protestants when they quote mind the Church Fathers, 728 00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:40,360 for example, they'll find a phrase where, oh, look, Saint 729 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,840 Clement says you're saved by grace. See that's solo grassia. 730 00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:48,880 That's Reformation teaching. Well, that's not equivalent to a modern 731 00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:54,440 post Enlightenment post Reformation quote development read back into the 732 00:56:54,559 --> 00:57:04,840 ancient world. So it's UNWHI sometimes to use loaded language, 733 00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:09,559 even if the language is technically not not wrong. Then 734 00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:10,159 what's up. 735 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:19,800 Speaker 3: You there? 736 00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:23,079 Speaker 7: Yeah? Hello, what's on your mind? 737 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:25,519 Speaker 3: Uh? A j S. 738 00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:29,840 Speaker 4: I have a question about evolution and how that's compatible 739 00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,440 with the Bible. Okay, So like, what's your view on it? 740 00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:36,159 Speaker 2: Uh? 741 00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 7: I've dressed that many times. It's not compatible with the Bible, 742 00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:42,199 and it's not compatible with the Sex Secumentical Council, And 743 00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,760 evolution is a stupid worldview. 744 00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:48,000 Speaker 18: M hm. 745 00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,039 Speaker 4: And like, do you have any life evidence of the 746 00:57:52,119 --> 00:57:54,159 justification for evolution not being true? 747 00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,079 Speaker 7: Sure? Where is the proof of the evidence that one 748 00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,320 species transmutes into another species? 749 00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,199 Speaker 4: I mean that's microevolution over time? 750 00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:07,639 Speaker 7: No, No, that's the leap. See that's not justified by 751 00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:11,159 the fact that within one species or grouping there is 752 00:58:11,239 --> 00:58:15,679 a minor modification to suddenly the RNA prints an entirely 753 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,440 different code to create a different creature. So that's the 754 00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,440 thing that you just leaped to. That's not justified. Have 755 00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:25,920 you observed that, by the way, where was the empirical 756 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,880 observation of Because there's flies in a jar that you 757 00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:34,400 looked at over a period of weeks or months, that suddenly, 758 00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:36,760 now that's going to give you cockroaches if you give 759 00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:38,760 it enough time. That's the illegitimate leap. 760 00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:43,920 Speaker 4: Just just can't clarify. I'm not atheist. I'm just asking 761 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,480 from an atheistic perspective, because I get that a lot. 762 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,280 Speaker 7: All right, So where is the empirical justification for that? 763 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,480 Speaker 3: And I'm very sure I can say that, right, So. 764 00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:01,280 Speaker 7: When an atheist comes and gives me signific justification and 765 00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,039 evidence that they observed the very thing that's in question, 766 00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:09,079 the transmutation of species, then I'll listen to an atheist. 767 00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:14,639 Until then, it's literally just magical worldview ancient Hindu paganism, 768 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:19,840 and it's literally identical to ancient Hinduism. Penguin, what's up? 769 00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:21,639 But thank you very question. I wasn't being rude to you. 770 00:59:21,639 --> 00:59:24,719 I'm just We've addressed this many times Penguin. What's up? 771 00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:29,880 Low energy? 772 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,719 Speaker 3: Can I just had I had a question. 773 00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 11: You've probably got this before me, you know sometimes, but 774 00:59:40,599 --> 00:59:45,480 what are your thoughts on the patriarch of Constantinople? 775 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,639 Speaker 7: And have a whole podcasts on this, So guys go 776 00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:54,519 into the archives. I think that Bartholomew is a subject 777 00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:57,159 to the State Department and it's unfortunate. And Jim Jodtris 778 00:59:57,239 --> 00:59:59,480 wrote articles years ago about how he was probably bought 779 00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,760 off by MI some dollars. Could you have me some coffee? 780 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:01,960 Thank you? 781 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 19: I'm getting the audience is saying it's low energy, very 782 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,360 low energy, probably not very high energy, probably. 783 01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:11,880 Speaker 1: Not low energy. 784 01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,440 Speaker 7: What's up? Man, I'm trying to wake up. I can't 785 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,480 even do my trump correctly. What's up? Theology? Person? 786 01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:18,119 Speaker 1: What's up? 787 01:00:18,159 --> 01:00:22,639 Speaker 7: I'm mute? Go you there? All right? 788 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,800 Speaker 3: So first off, got a catechum in question. 789 01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:31,280 Speaker 7: Okay, guys, when you when you call in, ask your question. 790 01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,920 Don't tell me that you have a just ask the question. 791 01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:43,199 What's up? Go ahead? Are you there? I think we 792 01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:52,559 lost you. Can you hear me? Come out and come 793 01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:55,000 back in. I want to hear your question. There wasn't 794 01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:57,400 being rude to you, just gut it. So, Look, you 795 01:00:57,519 --> 01:01:02,719 don't have to do the whole I appreciate if you 796 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,079 like the content, that's cool. Just go ahead and ask 797 01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:10,280 the question. And remember, when you're communicating, be concise, be clear, 798 01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:13,360 be direct. You don't have to ramble. Just you know, 799 01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:16,599 make your statement, make your argument. If you want to say, hey, 800 01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:18,280 I want to give me about thirty seconds, give me 801 01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:19,679 a minute, give me five minutes. I'm going to make 802 01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:22,920 an argument. That's fine too, Carl, what's up? 803 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:29,519 Speaker 2: Okay? 804 01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:35,000 Speaker 7: What's that? 805 01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:35,280 Speaker 13: Man? 806 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:36,559 Speaker 3: Hi? 807 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,639 Speaker 20: So could you please expand on the idea of God 808 01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:45,039 only entering creation through pure objects or beings. For example, 809 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,440 Mary being full of grace, the burning bush of the 810 01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:50,280 arc of the Covenant. 811 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 7: I don't. I mean, the burning bush isn't a pure object. 812 01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:56,800 It's just a bush. 813 01:01:57,159 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 20: So what do you mean pure purifying being that it 814 01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:07,360 was burning but not consumed. This is where I'm kind 815 01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:08,199 of confused about it. 816 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:09,639 Speaker 7: Why is that? 817 01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:13,920 Speaker 3: So? I guess it comes more into. 818 01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:20,320 Speaker 20: More questions about the trinity, because if God can. 819 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,039 Speaker 3: Only enter creation through pure objects. 820 01:02:23,679 --> 01:02:26,440 Speaker 7: Or beings, I'm not sure what you keep saying pure 821 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,280 objects for beings? 822 01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:27,559 Speaker 13: I don't. 823 01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:29,760 Speaker 7: I don't even think that's necessarily the case. God can 824 01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:34,199 enter creation anywhere at any time. I mean, it's not 825 01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,639 like it's not like the dirt in Israel was cleaner 826 01:02:37,719 --> 01:02:42,880 than the dirt in China. So you talking about morally pure, 827 01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,559 I mean he entered into the Theotokis in a special 828 01:02:46,639 --> 01:02:48,719 way because he intended to be born from her, and 829 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,199 thus he purified her by his grace. So there's different 830 01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,880 senses in which God is present, in which he comes 831 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,480 into creation. But there's nothing about bushes or trees that 832 01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:02,440 makes it somehow magically better than other bushes and trees, 833 01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:04,159 other than the divine presence itself. 834 01:03:05,519 --> 01:03:10,119 Speaker 20: Okay, I have one other question, and that I attend 835 01:03:10,159 --> 01:03:13,440 an ocaight Greek Orthodox parish, and I've noticed on the 836 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,000 OCA website that the person that Joshua meets before the 837 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:21,159 Battle Jericho is claimed to be Saint Michael, but on 838 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,119 the go Arch website it's the pre and current of Jesus. 839 01:03:24,519 --> 01:03:26,559 So I'm just wondering why there's a discrepancy there. 840 01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:29,639 Speaker 7: Right, Well, not everybody in the Orthodox world is very 841 01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:32,360 proficient in theology. Some people are not, and so they 842 01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:34,800 see the word angel, and like many Protestants or many 843 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:37,199 other people, they think it just means an angel like Michael, 844 01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,960 but the word angel just means a messenger. Also, though, 845 01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:43,159 there's many places in the Old Testament when God is 846 01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,719 present and the angels are too, So for example, in 847 01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,400 Ezekiel one and Ezekiel ten or at Mount Sinai, there's 848 01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,079 passages to talk about angels being present and other passions 849 01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:55,559 to talk about the divine Son or the One like 850 01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:58,360 the Glory of the Father, et cetera, being present. So 851 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,400 it's a both. And anytime Christ is present, the hosts 852 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,519 of the Lord, the Lord of Savio are also president, 853 01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:15,920 so both things are true. We can't hear you your 854 01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:23,800 roboting and what's a right wing go ahead? I'm you, Hey, 855 01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:25,400 I just had a question. 856 01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,800 Speaker 21: I was I was talking to somebody about the phrase 857 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:33,320 Judeo Christian. They're they were a Baptist, and I was 858 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,840 making the claim that the root idea is hypocritical because 859 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:41,239 of dispensationalism, and uh, they're come back to me, which 860 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,800 they just kept saying that it was more of a 861 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,440 moral argument, talking about, you know, the Ten Commandments, a 862 01:04:46,519 --> 01:04:49,280 cultural thing. And then I when when I asked them 863 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,119 who they thought Israel was. Do they think Israel current Israel. 864 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,400 Speaker 7: Is the Church? 865 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:56,519 Speaker 21: They didn't agree, so down that line of question, and 866 01:04:56,559 --> 01:05:00,639 how could I bring them back to to understand the 867 01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:06,800 hypocrisy of the actual dispensational argument itself. 868 01:05:07,199 --> 01:05:09,360 Speaker 7: Well, I mean, I have a whole four hour talking 869 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,840 dispensationalism that I recently shared that you can find on 870 01:05:13,079 --> 01:05:16,400 my clips channel or on Jimbob's channel. You can point 871 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,880 out Galatians six sixteen. You can point out Galatians three 872 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:20,960 and four is very clear that the Church is Israel 873 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,440 Peter and one. Peter two says you are a holy nation, 874 01:05:23,719 --> 01:05:26,760 chosen people, applying all the statements of Israel to the Church. 875 01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:30,320 Jesus says in Matthew twenty one that the Kingdom of 876 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,679 God will be taken from you and given to a 877 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:35,159 nation producing the frust thereof. So the Kingdom of God, 878 01:05:35,199 --> 01:05:39,000 which is the Church coorne of Matthew sixteen, is not 879 01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,320 Israel in a flesh sense. It's the Church again Galatians four. Troy, 880 01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:52,440 what's up, Jay? 881 01:05:52,480 --> 01:05:54,400 Speaker 22: I've got a follow up question after this first question. 882 01:05:56,760 --> 01:06:01,119 Since you're understanding that dispensationalists believe that the non believing 883 01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:04,159 gentiles during the rack or the racker go to Hell, 884 01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:07,960 the believing gentiles go to Heaven and all the Jews 885 01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:13,039 get basically multiple chances to believe and accept Jesus until 886 01:06:13,079 --> 01:06:13,960 they all go to heaven. 887 01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:17,239 Speaker 7: I mean, there's not one set dispensationalism. There's many different 888 01:06:17,239 --> 01:06:21,480 dismensationalist positions. So I'm sure you could find some dispensationals 889 01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:24,840 who thinks that even all the Jews automatically are saved, 890 01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:26,559 but maybe they don't go to heaven they live in 891 01:06:26,599 --> 01:06:29,280 any earthly kingdom. I mean, there's all kinds of retarded positions. 892 01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,800 So I don't know how even to answer your question. 893 01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,320 Speaker 22: Yes, I'll give you the That's what my uncle, who 894 01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,079 is a Pentecostal pastor, that's what he explained to me 895 01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:39,440 how he. 896 01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:40,639 Speaker 7: Believes which one. 897 01:06:40,719 --> 01:06:41,159 Speaker 14: So I went to. 898 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:46,599 Speaker 22: That all Jews will remain on earth until they accept 899 01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:47,800 Jesus and then go into Heaven. 900 01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,800 Speaker 7: So they basically I've heard some of them say that, right, yeah, yeah. 901 01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,079 Speaker 22: So I went through this questioning with him, like, so, 902 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:59,000 how could you be a Christian and ever feel comfortable 903 01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:02,840 converting a jud degree Christanity knowing that you could possibly 904 01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:04,039 be damning them if. 905 01:07:03,880 --> 01:07:04,679 Speaker 7: They become a Christian? 906 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:04,840 Speaker 3: Ye? 907 01:07:06,639 --> 01:07:10,000 Speaker 22: Yeah, And after all this explaining and everything, they still 908 01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:12,719 I've got this is a huge problem for me because 909 01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,159 like I have a big family, and I can count 910 01:07:15,199 --> 01:07:18,360 the number of Pentecostal pastors they believe in this bull crap. 911 01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:20,679 Speaker 7: Yeah, there's more of them than I. 912 01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:24,480 Speaker 22: Have fears and toes, and you just at the end 913 01:07:24,519 --> 01:07:27,599 of every discussion, they still somehow convince themselves and it's 914 01:07:27,719 --> 01:07:28,639 just beyond me. 915 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,559 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's just a lot of these positions 916 01:07:33,679 --> 01:07:39,760 people have emotional attachments to them. They have you know, 917 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,480 they feel like when they came to this position, they 918 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:47,719 were really making headway and they really figured everything out, 919 01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,559 and so there's this attachment that you know, I can't 920 01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:52,920 let that go because you know, that would just shake 921 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:57,199 the paradigm. And even I think Jordan Peterson had a 922 01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:00,199 good talk about this about paradigms and what happens when 923 01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:03,360 we have a paradigm shakeup, and he says it's like 924 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:08,000 a death. He says that the actual psychosomatic responses that 925 01:08:08,079 --> 01:08:14,639 people have when their paradigm collapses is like a small death, 926 01:08:15,480 --> 01:08:17,479 and there's a process that you have to go through 927 01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,159 because you know, nobody wants to die. And so when 928 01:08:20,199 --> 01:08:24,880 we have that collapse of a worldview, there's certain emotional 929 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:30,239 and psychological processes that were forced into that are difficult tough. 930 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:31,840 Speaker 3: You know. 931 01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 7: For example, when my best friend from high school died 932 01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:39,239 a few months ago and we buried him, like the 933 01:08:39,399 --> 01:08:45,279 day that I learned of that, and the next day 934 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:53,520 I was was empty. I felt deflated, empty, and there 935 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,760 was nothing I could do to control that feeling. You 936 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:01,000 just automatically get the feeling and there's nothing you can 937 01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:03,720 do too. I mean, you can pray and you can 938 01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,760 you can deal with it, but like you can't make 939 01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,359 that go like I will this to go away. Right, So, 940 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,279 in the same way, when people's worldviews collapse, there's a 941 01:09:14,399 --> 01:09:19,760 similar death process or death like process. And I think 942 01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:26,600 Peterson was correct when he makes that point. So I 943 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,760 think when when we when we look at ruman caffolicts 944 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,079 that get so upset and they lash out, or the 945 01:09:32,359 --> 01:09:35,600 Pentecostals that we try to talk to, or the dispensationalists 946 01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:36,840 when we try to reason with them. 947 01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:36,880 Speaker 3: And. 948 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,279 Speaker 7: We've all we're all that way. This is just what 949 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:49,760 happens to humans. Humans aren't the way that Enlightenment philosophers 950 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,159 think they you know, enlighten the philosophers are like, oh, 951 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,159 we are blank slates, that are you know ultimately purely 952 01:09:56,319 --> 01:10:00,359 rational beings that will just make the rational correct choice 953 01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,520 on the basis of stocking up the evidences. And no, 954 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:06,920 when you read you know C. S. Lewis's Space Trilogy, 955 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,279 the whole one of the main points of part three 956 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,640 is that we're not that way. We don't actually follow 957 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:16,479 the evidence. In fact, we lie about and hide evidences 958 01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:20,640 so that we can confirm our biases. That's the whole 959 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,960 point of the character Mark in the book, which is 960 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,439 a refutation by the way of evidentialism. So I tried 961 01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,960 to tell Trent Horne, like, have you not read Space Trilogy? 962 01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:35,159 Do not understand C. S. Lewis's point with the character 963 01:10:35,239 --> 01:10:37,640 of Mark. By the way, I wanted to remind you guys, 964 01:10:38,039 --> 01:10:41,199 as I was reading Hagai the other day, I didn't 965 01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:44,119 even like, I just realized this reading this because I 966 01:10:44,199 --> 01:10:47,279 was listening to these podcasts about inflation and bitcoin and 967 01:10:48,119 --> 01:10:54,640 you know, Fabianism and Keynesianism, and I noticed that when 968 01:10:54,680 --> 01:11:01,039 God says this in verse five and six here, so 969 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:07,800 it's kind of the the rebuke here is applicable to 970 01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:12,800 a lot of the people who put politics above you 971 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,520 getting right with God or something like that. Right this 972 01:11:17,079 --> 01:11:21,000 chapter is actually about that, because the Israelites are putting 973 01:11:21,039 --> 01:11:26,079 all their political concerns first political alliances and dynasty alliances 974 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:28,880 and this and that, and God is saying, you've neglected 975 01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:34,239 the actual house of God. Right, So if you look 976 01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:37,159 at verse three, the word of the Lord came by 977 01:11:37,239 --> 01:11:40,479 Hagai saying it is time? Is it time for you 978 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,600 to dwell in paneled houses and this temple to lie 979 01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,800 in ruins. They're concerned with their own house building and 980 01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,560 all that. Right, consider your ways. You sew a lot, 981 01:11:50,840 --> 01:11:54,600 but you bring in little. So in other words, Israel 982 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:58,640 is experiencing economic decline. You eat, but you don't have enough. 983 01:11:59,119 --> 01:12:02,399 You drink but you're fulfilled. You clothe yourself, but no 984 01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:07,680 one is warm. He that earns wages earns wages to 985 01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:12,399 put in a bag with holes. That's inflation. So Israel's 986 01:12:12,439 --> 01:12:18,159 experiencing economic collapse and decline, which is tied to their 987 01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,119 moral and spiritual decline. And I've never even. 988 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:31,840 Speaker 19: Noticed that hat guy talks about this. By the way, anyway, 989 01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:34,119 I thought that was interesting. 990 01:12:36,199 --> 01:12:48,359 Speaker 7: Thank you. So hot guy is saying, by Dicklin, laplace, laplace. 991 01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:54,840 By the way, I'm not here to be preacher today. 992 01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:59,560 I'm not a preacher. Friends hat guys telling us to 993 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:05,840 buy that going what's up on you and mine? I'm 994 01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:13,840 you doll, Hag I won six and seven? Or excuse me, Hag, 995 01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:17,920 I won six here, Yes, sir, awesome. 996 01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:19,199 Speaker 3: Thanks. 997 01:13:20,159 --> 01:13:21,439 Speaker 4: I just got a quick question. 998 01:13:22,119 --> 01:13:25,000 Speaker 23: I've been dealing with a family member that's been kind 999 01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:30,159 of like a long time Sabbatarian, so the Adventist, and 1000 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,800 I think they come from a good place, like they 1001 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,319 read the Bible, and they just don't see anything clear 1002 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:40,680 in the New Testament to them that makes them think 1003 01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:45,039 that the way in which we keep the Sabbath has changed. 1004 01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:48,239 Speaker 4: You know, they kind of default back to the job 1005 01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,520 no John and tittle of this will change. 1006 01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:54,560 Speaker 3: And I think they just they just are unable to 1007 01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,199 see any. 1008 01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:59,520 Speaker 23: Clear passages that allow them to make the jumps, so 1009 01:13:59,600 --> 01:13:59,920 they don't. 1010 01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:01,079 Speaker 7: I was curious. 1011 01:14:01,079 --> 01:14:03,319 Speaker 10: I know you've touched on this a few times historically, 1012 01:14:03,399 --> 01:14:04,279 but was curious. 1013 01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:07,079 Speaker 23: If you could just give kind of like an in 1014 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:09,560 depth breakdown of your view. 1015 01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:14,239 Speaker 7: All right, So the Book of Hebrews is addressing this specifically. 1016 01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:17,720 Hebrews four one through eight is about not just the 1017 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,880 way in which we keep the Sabbath, but the entire 1018 01:14:20,039 --> 01:14:24,439 meaning of the Sabbath, and all Judaizers end up being 1019 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:28,399 retrograde in their understanding of theology, and that the things 1020 01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:32,359 that were typological that have been fulfilled the reality has come. 1021 01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:34,600 Oh no, we got to go back to the type now, 1022 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:36,640 even though the reality is here. The whole point of 1023 01:14:36,720 --> 01:14:40,600 Hebrews is that the rest has come. And this is 1024 01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,479 something when I was Protestant I didn't understand until the 1025 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:47,560 other day. I was actually in the Orthodox liturgy, actually 1026 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,239 I think it was it was Holy Weak, and I 1027 01:14:51,399 --> 01:14:55,399 never noticed that the fulfillment of the Sabbath is Christ 1028 01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:00,279 laying in the tomb. That rest is the rest that 1029 01:15:00,399 --> 01:15:05,439 fulfills the Jewish seventh day Sabbath. So and by the way, 1030 01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:07,920 in the Orthodox Church, if you go to the Saturday 1031 01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:11,680 Vesper's service, we do still honor the seventh day Sabbath. 1032 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,039 So it's not the case that we don't honor the 1033 01:15:14,119 --> 01:15:16,439 seventh day Sabbath. We do, but we give greater honor 1034 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:20,039 to the eternal rest which has come in the resurrection 1035 01:15:20,159 --> 01:15:24,600 of Christ. And thus his resting in the tomb fulfilled 1036 01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,439 that rest. So the rest that he brought is the 1037 01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:29,960 rest of eternal rest. And that's why John in the 1038 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:33,880 Book of Revelation when he sees into heaven and he's 1039 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,600 doing the liturgy. If you read Revelation five through nine, 1040 01:15:38,119 --> 01:15:42,560 he is seeing the heavenly liturgical service happening. That same 1041 01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,000 service is what he's performing on earth. That's why he says, 1042 01:15:46,079 --> 01:15:48,800 I was in the spirit on the Lord's Day. The 1043 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,600 Lord's Day is not the seventh day Jewish Sabbath. The 1044 01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:56,079 Lord's Day is the first day of the week, the 1045 01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:58,840 day of the resurrection, and that's the day that we 1046 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:05,439 do the liturgy via Revelation five through eight, and no 1047 01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:09,840 seven day. I've been just understands any of that because 1048 01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:13,279 they're a judaizing sect. Layman, what's up? 1049 01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:20,359 Speaker 11: Hello? 1050 01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:27,840 Speaker 20: Yeah, there, I just wanted to thank you very much 1051 01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,520 for all the helpful informations. 1052 01:16:30,359 --> 01:16:32,600 Speaker 7: And I won't keep you very long, but it's really 1053 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:34,199 loud background. So what's your question. 1054 01:16:35,319 --> 01:16:38,960 Speaker 13: Oh sorry, let me know if this is better. 1055 01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:41,840 Speaker 7: Okay. 1056 01:16:42,239 --> 01:16:43,319 Speaker 13: I didn't really have a question. 1057 01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:49,960 Speaker 7: I just wanted to get your thoughts on the idea 1058 01:16:50,119 --> 01:16:57,199 of forgiveness of the murder of a family member. So yeah, 1059 01:16:57,239 --> 01:16:59,239 we addressed that actually the other day in livestream. So 1060 01:16:59,399 --> 01:17:02,720 as for the again, and I said there's no discrepancy 1061 01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:07,760 between the notion of public divine justice or social justice. 1062 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,520 I don't mean social justice warrior stuff. I mean social 1063 01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,359 justice in the sense that Jesus didn't come to do 1064 01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:17,479 away with judges, penal sanctions and the death penalty. In fact, 1065 01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,600 Romans thirteen teaches the death penalty. The church has the 1066 01:17:20,680 --> 01:17:23,600 Church fathers almost unanimously do teach the death penalty. There's 1067 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,760 a few outlawers, but the majority opinion in what becomes 1068 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,079 the norm in Christian kingdoms and nations in the imperium 1069 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,399 is at least banishment and in some cases death penalty. 1070 01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:38,239 So there's no discrepancy between a public ordained role of 1071 01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:41,640 the state exercising the death penalty, which was given to Noah. 1072 01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:45,039 By the way, it didn't It wasn't something that's only 1073 01:17:45,119 --> 01:17:48,880 part of mosaic, the Mosaic administration. It's actually given to 1074 01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:56,359 Noah to exact the death penalty. So the forgiveness aspect 1075 01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,760 is as Father Deacon and I's pointed out you as 1076 01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:02,760 an individual being freed, that's for your good, so that 1077 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:06,079 you are not imprisoned to resentment and hatred. So the 1078 01:18:06,239 --> 01:18:10,840 individual can forgive, and there is an external aspect of 1079 01:18:12,079 --> 01:18:15,960 justice meted out by the state, and that is classic 1080 01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:23,319 Christian teaching. There's absolutely nothing pacifist or Tolstoyism, none of that. 1081 01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:25,880 That's all heresy. And by the way, I don't know 1082 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,000 where all these people get the idea. I guess just 1083 01:18:28,119 --> 01:18:34,079 out of evangelicalism and whatever that Christianity is like Tolstoy stuff. No, 1084 01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:36,680 it's not. In fact, he was a heretic in his 1085 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,439 own time. George, what's up? 1086 01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:46,880 Speaker 14: Jay? 1087 01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:47,279 Speaker 6: What up? 1088 01:18:47,359 --> 01:18:48,680 Speaker 7: Man? What's on your mind? 1089 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,000 Speaker 3: Hey? Big Floyd here. 1090 01:18:52,279 --> 01:18:54,079 Speaker 16: I just want to say thank you for responding to 1091 01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:56,199 that super chat, that twenty dollars super. 1092 01:18:56,079 --> 01:19:01,720 Speaker 3: Chat of you blessing the fin Reactor. I feel blessed already. 1093 01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:02,319 Speaker 4: Mane and. 1094 01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:05,560 Speaker 7: This is our good buddy, George Broyd. 1095 01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:10,039 Speaker 3: I can not only have participat in great LYND, I 1096 01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:11,079 still be having. 1097 01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:16,600 Speaker 7: Great fin absolutely yes. And if you can't make it 1098 01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:21,279 too great Lent, you can all participate in great fent. 1099 01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:33,560 So shout out to George Droyd. What's up, Nick? I'm mute. 1100 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,319 Guys want to support the stream, you can do so 1101 01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,159 through super chats, through stream lives, or through YouTube natively. 1102 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:41,720 What's up, Nick? 1103 01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:42,520 Speaker 13: Yeah? 1104 01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:42,880 Speaker 1: What's up? 1105 01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:46,640 Speaker 6: Can I make an argument for believing that climate change 1106 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:48,479 is real through like Christian anthropology? 1107 01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,039 Speaker 7: I guess you can, but I'm already laughing at it. 1108 01:19:54,119 --> 01:19:57,960 It sounds proposal. I. You can make fun of me 1109 01:19:58,039 --> 01:20:00,159 all you like, but I'm actually to. 1110 01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,960 Speaker 3: Drop this view if it just seems stupid. 1111 01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:07,520 Speaker 6: I know you have like an epistemological like method objection 1112 01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:09,720 to believing. 1113 01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:14,199 Speaker 3: What the scientific consensus so called? 1114 01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:18,159 Speaker 6: But why are you basically because yeah, it's not actually 1115 01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:20,399 a real consensus. 1116 01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:23,479 Speaker 3: It's fallacious, right, Do. 1117 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:24,920 Speaker 7: You believe that? Or you just saying that? 1118 01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:26,600 Speaker 3: No, I do believe that. 1119 01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:30,359 Speaker 6: Okay, that's not my basis for believing in climate change. 1120 01:20:30,399 --> 01:20:35,800 It's most like, you know, technological domination whatever. 1121 01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:46,760 Speaker 7: Moving on, I guess I'm serious. What's up? What's up? 1122 01:20:51,159 --> 01:21:03,119 All right? That person? The person can't connect omar, what's up? Omar? 1123 01:21:03,239 --> 01:21:16,840 What's up? Appreciate you guys in the chat. You know, 1124 01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,079 I think the hardest thing for if you're a night out, 1125 01:21:21,239 --> 01:21:25,920 that's the hardest part of orthodoxy because I'm tired as hell, dude. 1126 01:21:27,079 --> 01:21:29,880 Because I'm a night out, I can't like for me 1127 01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,159 getting up in the morning is an ascetic endeavor, dude. 1128 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,039 So we had the elevation of the Cross today. So 1129 01:21:38,119 --> 01:21:40,399 I'm just kind of like out of it and Nick, 1130 01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:40,880 what's up? 1131 01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:46,319 Speaker 9: Yo? 1132 01:21:47,359 --> 01:21:47,479 Speaker 13: Yo? 1133 01:21:49,479 --> 01:21:53,800 Speaker 12: So I got a question is with regarding communion. So 1134 01:21:54,359 --> 01:21:59,520 for a Protestant, if somebody says, like, no, I've always 1135 01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:03,199 looked at the bread and the body as a body, 1136 01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:05,720 and then you know, the juice or whatever. 1137 01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:06,560 Speaker 7: The wine is the blood. 1138 01:22:07,399 --> 01:22:08,840 Speaker 12: And if they say it's the same thing as. 1139 01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:14,159 Speaker 3: The Orthodox side of things, how do you compare the difference. 1140 01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,800 Speaker 7: No, just because you want it to be the real 1141 01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,279 presence doesn't make it. So you have to have a 1142 01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:23,560 person who has the authority to do the liturgy by 1143 01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,560 an Orthodox bishop. So it's not just a question of 1144 01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:30,439 do you, as an individual Protestant consider yourself open to 1145 01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,960 quote the real presence, even though many Protestants kind of 1146 01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,079 go through that phase or they want more of a 1147 01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:39,159 high Church, you know, setting I went through that when 1148 01:22:39,199 --> 01:22:42,560 I was Protestant Calvinists. I moved from Baptist to you know, 1149 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,439 Calvin's spiritual presence, and then I moved towards more of 1150 01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:49,239 an Anglican mystical presence, and then I moved towards No, Actually, 1151 01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:51,880 I think it's the real presence. So I get people's 1152 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,079 individual movement, but what's missing is okay, but who has 1153 01:22:55,159 --> 01:22:58,000 the authority and the ability to actually consecrate it. It's 1154 01:22:58,039 --> 01:23:02,000 not just your vantage point as to how you view it. 1155 01:23:02,119 --> 01:23:04,800 There's also well, who has the authority to actually do this? 1156 01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:08,079 And not everybody has that authority. Jesus set up a church, 1157 01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:14,760 hence the authority. Jonas, what's up? I mean otherwise if 1158 01:23:15,159 --> 01:23:18,000 there was no required authority, then any Baptist who believes 1159 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,359 in the Real Presidence or anybody who you could be, 1160 01:23:21,399 --> 01:23:24,199 I guess anything. Oh, I'm going to do it in 1161 01:23:24,279 --> 01:23:26,479 my basement now. And a lot of Protestants actually do this. 1162 01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,279 Oh yeah, I'm going to consecrate the Eucharist with you know, 1163 01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,479 crackers and Welch's grape juice in my basement, start a 1164 01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:37,000 real Presidence church. And I'm not joking. Actually some Protestants 1165 01:23:37,039 --> 01:23:39,239 do this, like they move towards thinking that, Oh, I 1166 01:23:39,319 --> 01:23:41,039 believe in the real Presidence. So now we're going to 1167 01:23:41,119 --> 01:23:44,319 have the real Presence in my basement at my strip 1168 01:23:44,359 --> 01:23:46,399 Mall church. Jonas, what's up? 1169 01:23:49,079 --> 01:23:49,239 Speaker 9: Yeah? 1170 01:23:49,399 --> 01:23:52,239 Speaker 7: Just a little thank you Before I asked my question. 1171 01:23:52,319 --> 01:23:54,439 I had a very productive conversation with my. 1172 01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:59,680 Speaker 24: Brother today just like to thank you for having going 1173 01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,479 some in depth with the Jung and Junion archetypes and 1174 01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:08,720 fight psychology, because I uh, I think all delve into 1175 01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:10,920 then try to understand better in hopes of winning my 1176 01:24:11,039 --> 01:24:17,279 brother or which are Orthodoxy. So yeah, and uh, so 1177 01:24:17,399 --> 01:24:20,159 we all know in the West western world of Europe, 1178 01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:24,880 with the declining birth rate, what do you think will happen? 1179 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,199 Do you think Europe will sort of wake up before 1180 01:24:27,319 --> 01:24:30,479 the clients to a point where we can't sustain the 1181 01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:33,720 continent with enough people, or do you think that will 1182 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,199 just go extinct with the next two hundred two hundred years, 1183 01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:40,960 because I've heard people talk about, oh, in like two 1184 01:24:41,079 --> 01:24:44,199 hundred two and fifty years, we won't have enough people. 1185 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:49,279 Speaker 1: Whether they'll be just like too many Muslims or the 1186 01:24:49,359 --> 01:24:50,960 think is sort of yeah. 1187 01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:52,600 Speaker 7: I mean, I don't know what you think. I don't 1188 01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:54,760 know what's going to happen, because that is the plan. 1189 01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,880 I mean, you can read Count Kutenhov's book right here, 1190 01:24:58,359 --> 01:25:03,680 uh practical Idea, and he says multiple times what the 1191 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:08,000 plan is, so it is real. It's a real plan. 1192 01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,479 I would tend to think that really the only hope 1193 01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:18,119 for any of this is going to be solid Orthodox Christianity, 1194 01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:21,600 and it is growing in Europe. I'm sure that as 1195 01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,840 it grows, they will be persecuted as we will in 1196 01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:30,159 this country at some point. But yeah, I guess it 1197 01:25:30,279 --> 01:25:40,119 just depends on that because Jail Ferrara, what's up, Miguel Ferrara? 1198 01:25:40,199 --> 01:25:48,319 What's up? All right? Hey, what's up? What's on your mind? 1199 01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:50,000 Speaker 17: Yeah? 1200 01:25:50,399 --> 01:25:53,960 Speaker 18: So I'm just wondering any contentions you might have with 1201 01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,039 a position that's derived from the Geechee Manitou and it 1202 01:25:58,159 --> 01:26:02,199 loses philosophy. What the guichee Manitou? 1203 01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:04,399 Speaker 7: I don't know what that is. 1204 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:11,560 Speaker 18: It's a Native American folklore alonquin Okay. So it's basically 1205 01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:14,159 gonna be deriving the belief that the world exists on 1206 01:26:14,199 --> 01:26:18,039 it turtles back right, like just metaphorically right, okay, And 1207 01:26:18,119 --> 01:26:20,640 we're gonna be deriving this as just sort of rejection 1208 01:26:21,039 --> 01:26:25,560 of the imposed structures of you know, religion onto the individual. 1209 01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:32,079 Speaker 7: Do you have any contentions with this? Yes? Uh, it's dumb. 1210 01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:38,359 He's gonna have fun clipping that like Native American apologetics, 1211 01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:52,279 refuge dire Steven, what's up? Hey? Hey, the FBOI man 1212 01:26:52,319 --> 01:26:55,199 went on a long journey. Taylor five dollars thank you 1213 01:26:55,279 --> 01:26:59,399 so much, Semiot. Five dollars. I know this is the 1214 01:26:59,399 --> 01:27:01,479 way of talking. I want to ask your opinion about 1215 01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:05,399 Charles Whitman, whether he was a Manchurian candidate. I know 1216 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,600 Dave mcgawan has a chapter on which is interesting, and 1217 01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:11,319 I've read some other books that discussed the odd aspects, 1218 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,880 you know, with his military background and all that, and 1219 01:27:14,359 --> 01:27:16,720 I think it's one of the first famous, you know, 1220 01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:22,560 serial killer cases. I have no idea what was really 1221 01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:27,399 going on, if he was you know, triggered and trained 1222 01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,479 or you know, I don't know, but nothing would surprise me. 1223 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,960 Apeniny five pounds. Kiri Starmer said, let me spell this out. 1224 01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:36,159 If you want to work in the United Kingdom, you 1225 01:27:36,199 --> 01:27:39,720 will not unless you have a digital idea. Is this technocracy? Yeah, 1226 01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:43,880 I mean we've been talking about Fabian socialism and technocracy 1227 01:27:43,960 --> 01:27:48,359 for many, many years, so absolutely, Marcos ten dollars. I 1228 01:27:48,439 --> 01:27:53,239 literally came on while you explained Sabbath keeping. Is that 1229 01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:57,039 a sign? I'm just kidding. Still based, I'm persuaded Orthodox. 1230 01:27:57,119 --> 01:27:58,880 I'm gonna go to ro Corps. God bless you. Well 1231 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:02,199 that's good, Marcos. Hope you find a good church. Boreal 1232 01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:05,319 thirteen dollars. Can you please make a video on full 1233 01:28:05,319 --> 01:28:08,720 of preterism? I think I have multiple clips, channels have 1234 01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,399 made videos on this. Steven, what's up? 1235 01:28:12,159 --> 01:28:12,439 Speaker 2: Okay? 1236 01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:12,920 Speaker 20: What's going on? 1237 01:28:13,119 --> 01:28:13,239 Speaker 23: Jay? 1238 01:28:13,359 --> 01:28:17,039 Speaker 25: I wanted to ask a quick geopolitics question, if that's okay. 1239 01:28:18,319 --> 01:28:22,159 So I feel like, regardless of how this Ukraine war 1240 01:28:22,279 --> 01:28:25,119 is going to end, the power structure in Europe is 1241 01:28:25,159 --> 01:28:26,119 going to look very different. 1242 01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,239 Speaker 3: It seems like the globalist leaders. 1243 01:28:28,920 --> 01:28:30,720 Speaker 7: Like McCrone and Starmer are. 1244 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:32,119 Speaker 3: Hopefully going to be removed. 1245 01:28:32,199 --> 01:28:35,520 Speaker 25: And I can't especially if if the war goes the 1246 01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:37,840 way most people think it is with Russia winning, I 1247 01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:40,479 can't imagine NATO is gonna stick around much longer, or 1248 01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:42,319 if they do, I'm sure they're going to look different. 1249 01:28:42,399 --> 01:28:44,760 So my question is like, what what do you what 1250 01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:48,199 are your thoughts on this? Are globalists kind of do 1251 01:28:48,279 --> 01:28:50,600 you think that they might lose their grip on power 1252 01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:51,760 or is it going to get worse? 1253 01:28:52,039 --> 01:29:01,920 Speaker 7: What do you think again? When you say lose their 1254 01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:06,319 grip on power, I don't really see that. I do 1255 01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:08,920 see people waking up to it, but I don't see 1256 01:29:09,119 --> 01:29:14,119 them losing power per se, except maybe in some limited, 1257 01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:18,079 mid level minion ways. Right, And I forgot to mention 1258 01:29:18,279 --> 01:29:25,880 we do have the indicting of Komy, which is kind 1259 01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:29,119 of surprising, not because this doesn't been to KQ because 1260 01:29:29,119 --> 01:29:32,000 of course all the q TRD stuff was like next week, 1261 01:29:32,119 --> 01:29:36,359 two weeks from now, get ready for the indictments. Of course, 1262 01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:39,319 we know, you know this is not going to be 1263 01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:43,520 Hillary or Bill, right, So I think some mid level 1264 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:45,680 minion like a Komy. They don't have a problem burning 1265 01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,000 this person. So I've forgot to play this clip here. 1266 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:51,399 Speaker 26: It has a long history of misleading Congress. Komy falls 1267 01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:54,840 into that. But the evidence against Komi tonight comes from 1268 01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,720 the FBI, and it's new director Cash Ptel, who promised 1269 01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,319 radical transparency, and he actually provides the key piece of 1270 01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:05,039 evidence that leads to this indictment. If you're a member 1271 01:30:05,079 --> 01:30:07,880 of Congress and you've been tired of lying being lied 1272 01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:10,159 to by the FBI, tonight's the first time the FBI 1273 01:30:10,159 --> 01:30:12,720 actually did something about it. They turned in their own 1274 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,199 man tonight. I think that's an extraordinary part of this story. 1275 01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:19,760 Speaker 13: The Komi indictment will showcase the worst abuses against the 1276 01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:24,439 Republic in DOJ history. As the rotting inertia causes the 1277 01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,840 dominoes to fall in the hallowed halls of the District 1278 01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:32,039 of Corruption, even as new bombshell information reveals that a 1279 01:30:32,119 --> 01:30:35,840 recent disclosure by the FBI to Congress verified that two 1280 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,199 hundred and seventy five FBI agents were in the crowd 1281 01:30:39,279 --> 01:30:42,640 on January sixth, far more than the Measley twenty six 1282 01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:47,079 informants that Inspector General Horowitz had been notified of. 1283 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:50,840 Speaker 7: So you noticed that this is more of a systemic problem. 1284 01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:53,319 And I'm not saying that they shouldn't do this or 1285 01:30:53,359 --> 01:30:55,039 that it's not good to see some of the mid 1286 01:30:55,159 --> 01:30:59,119 level minions, but I mean a FBI directors come and go, 1287 01:31:00,119 --> 01:31:02,680 who cares like I mean, I'm not saying I'm glad 1288 01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,560 that justice is occurring, but I mean these people are 1289 01:31:06,680 --> 01:31:10,199 like saying, burn down the country, take out the president. 1290 01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:14,840 I mean, they say crazy stuff. And you know, they 1291 01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,760 should have all been immediately arrested because all that stuff 1292 01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:22,600 is like treason legally, it's all on the books. But 1293 01:31:23,079 --> 01:31:28,319 the corruption is so entrenched that even anybody trying to 1294 01:31:28,439 --> 01:31:31,159 do something is very very limited I think, and I 1295 01:31:31,239 --> 01:31:35,399 think you know you see that with the intentional covering 1296 01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:38,880 up of Epstein stuff. We all see that. We all 1297 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:44,640 know that. So I don't really I don't really see 1298 01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:50,520 the deep state quote unquote losing power until people figure out. 1299 01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:53,880 And the reason people don't figure it out. I still 1300 01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,199 blame normally conservatives because they're the gatekeepers and the dumb 1301 01:31:57,279 --> 01:32:01,520 dums that always, like at Walsh did not too long ago. 1302 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:05,520 I don't understand the conspiracy through USTs talking about Bob 1303 01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:07,840 But it's like, dude, you're the problem. You're the one 1304 01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,920 that makes everybody think it's the Libs. Let's drink the 1305 01:32:12,039 --> 01:32:15,760 tears of the Libs and vote out the scoundrels. When 1306 01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,199 are we gonna understand? As pages ninety five to forty 1307 01:32:19,239 --> 01:32:23,560 eight in this book point out that the steering committees, 1308 01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,880 the n g os, the think tanks, right, that's the 1309 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:31,199 real power. Uh, they have a lot more power than 1310 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:36,359 James Coomy. And James Comy comes and goes. And when 1311 01:32:36,439 --> 01:32:41,159 we get our next fake Lib president, uh, they're going 1312 01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:45,520 to hell a point some creeper lib again to the FBI, 1313 01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:49,600 and we'll have a whole new uh slate of scandals. 1314 01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,680 And then everybody like, well, we would go put him 1315 01:32:51,720 --> 01:32:55,319 both winded indictments is coming. Wind indictments is coming. Then 1316 01:32:55,359 --> 01:32:57,920 we'll get indictments one day and then but it will 1317 01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,439 already be there, already be a new crap, a new 1318 01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,880 crop up scoundrels, and everybody will forgotten the scoundrel from 1319 01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:12,479 ten years ago. So, uh, nothing is gonna change until 1320 01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:18,840 we figure out that right wing gatekeepers are retards and 1321 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:29,199 they are either complicit or just ignorant. And when are 1322 01:33:29,199 --> 01:33:33,640 we going to figure out all these steering committees, thing tanks, foundations, NGOs? 1323 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,640 I mean again, I like that Jdvents said it's time 1324 01:33:37,720 --> 01:33:40,560 to uproot the NGOs and the Soros networks. Oh yeah, 1325 01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,600 but I mean we're like ten, fifteen, twenty years too late, dude, 1326 01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,720 Like we should have been saying that twenty years ago. 1327 01:33:49,239 --> 01:33:54,760 I don't know why you're thumbing down, Like, what's your problem? 1328 01:33:55,960 --> 01:34:02,720 I'm you, hey, Jade, Yeah. 1329 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:06,079 Speaker 25: Can you hear me? 1330 01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:08,600 Speaker 7: All right? Good? 1331 01:34:09,399 --> 01:34:13,800 Speaker 3: Uh So I just graduated from the College of the 1332 01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:19,680 Apostles mm hmm, and I'm reading through the Book of 1333 01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:24,560 Theology mm hmm. So don't don't try to. 1334 01:34:26,680 --> 01:34:30,039 Speaker 7: It was really funny, Daniel, what's up? 1335 01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:34,800 Speaker 3: Uh? 1336 01:34:35,399 --> 01:34:38,479 Speaker 7: I'm well aware that JD. Vance is connected of here too. 1337 01:34:39,399 --> 01:34:40,920 Did you not even listen to what I said? I 1338 01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:43,119 don't like all you Midwites man that just have to 1339 01:34:43,239 --> 01:34:44,079 chime in about. 1340 01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:44,720 Speaker 5: Uh. 1341 01:34:45,279 --> 01:34:48,760 Speaker 7: Actually, JD. Leads is a lot of good person to 1342 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,359 let me tell you about being I knew this, dude. 1343 01:34:55,159 --> 01:34:57,319 What I said was what I was trying to say 1344 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:02,800 was that, yeah, thank you for mentioning Soros NNGO networks. 1345 01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,760 Why didn't Trump talk about this in twenty sixteen? Remember 1346 01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,960 when Trump was like, now, don't talk about so Roachie's 1347 01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:12,399 not a bad guy, I know, George. And now Trump's like, 1348 01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,159 you go to dinner with these people and they're funding 1349 01:35:15,319 --> 01:35:16,239 all of these networks. 1350 01:35:16,279 --> 01:35:19,239 Speaker 19: You're like, wildish guy, Why is he funding this horrible, 1351 01:35:19,319 --> 01:35:20,159 horrible network? 1352 01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:25,600 Speaker 7: It's like, come on, dude. My point is that this 1353 01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,840 is all way too late. We should have been this 1354 01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:33,000 should have been happening like fifteen twenty years ago. Well 1355 01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:36,000 why isn't it Because people wouldn't listen when you talked 1356 01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,199 about this fifteen twenty years ago, and they called you 1357 01:35:38,279 --> 01:35:41,600 conspiracy theorists and called you all these names. And now 1358 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:43,239 they still call you all the same names even though 1359 01:35:43,279 --> 01:35:46,920 you've been right about all of it. What's up, man, Daniel? Mute? 1360 01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:49,600 Speaker 3: Hey? Can you hear me? 1361 01:35:50,479 --> 01:35:51,800 Speaker 7: Yep? How you doing? 1362 01:35:51,840 --> 01:35:52,079 Speaker 9: Brother? 1363 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:53,960 Speaker 7: Good? Uh? 1364 01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:58,399 Speaker 5: So I don't think Santa Andrews Wilson's and he's kind 1365 01:35:58,399 --> 01:36:02,720 of got me interested in averting to Orthodoxy. But I 1366 01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:06,520 grew up like small rural town in Mississippi, and I've 1367 01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:07,520 been to the same. 1368 01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,039 Speaker 3: Church of Christ my entire life. 1369 01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,199 Speaker 5: But then everybody it's not a Church of Christ that 1370 01:36:12,279 --> 01:36:14,199 I know, says it's a cult. And I don't know 1371 01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:15,880 what kind of culture shock I'm going to be in 1372 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:17,560 for with the difference. 1373 01:36:17,239 --> 01:36:21,840 Speaker 7: Between those two. Wait, they say, what's a cult Church 1374 01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:26,199 of Christ? I mean it can be cult like, yeah, 1375 01:36:27,039 --> 01:36:28,720 I mean, I mean. 1376 01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:30,720 Speaker 3: It's always been like, you know, we go, we have 1377 01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:32,239 like three songs. 1378 01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:35,359 Speaker 5: Of prayers, he preaches for like twenty minutes, and some. 1379 01:36:35,399 --> 01:36:37,920 Speaker 7: Of the beliefs, not the I mean, I've been, I 1380 01:36:38,000 --> 01:36:40,319 grew up with Church Christ people. I'm familiar. I've been 1381 01:36:40,399 --> 01:36:44,359 many times. But what I'm saying is like the idea 1382 01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,960 that all the churches failed and you're the restoration church. 1383 01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,119 I mean, it's called the Restorationist movement. I think that's 1384 01:36:50,159 --> 01:36:53,479 the aspect that's quote cult like. But I don't think 1385 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,359 you're going to find I mean, or they're always going 1386 01:36:55,399 --> 01:36:57,000 to be very different. But I don't think you're going 1387 01:36:57,039 --> 01:37:02,720 to find it anything cult like or I mean, you know, Restorationism, Campbellism, 1388 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:07,680 that's a derivative of older Baptist theology. So it's gonna 1389 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:09,760 be very different. I would say you could watch something 1390 01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:13,119 like Fountain of Immortality, which is a brief documentary which 1391 01:37:13,199 --> 01:37:15,279 kind of explains the liturgy when you go to the 1392 01:37:15,399 --> 01:37:18,600 Orthodox Church. It's gonna be very different than Church or Christ. 1393 01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:25,000 But yeah, you just have to go taste and experience yourself. Yeah, 1394 01:37:25,039 --> 01:37:35,000 what's up? Man? What atlas? What's up? Your emojiing? Like crazy? 1395 01:37:35,039 --> 01:37:44,880 What's your problem? Talk? So you just wanted to do 1396 01:37:45,039 --> 01:37:50,560 emojis and not talk? Okay, you don't know how to unmute? 1397 01:37:51,279 --> 01:37:51,399 Speaker 2: Man? 1398 01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:52,439 Speaker 7: What's going on with people? 1399 01:37:52,439 --> 01:37:52,800 Speaker 1: Don't say? 1400 01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:55,920 Speaker 7: Are you there? 1401 01:37:58,479 --> 01:37:58,800 Speaker 13: All right? 1402 01:37:58,880 --> 01:37:59,159 Speaker 4: This is. 1403 01:38:01,159 --> 01:38:02,800 Speaker 7: Not a sane person death. What's up? 1404 01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:07,720 Speaker 3: Hey? 1405 01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:08,359 Speaker 2: Jay? What up? 1406 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:09,199 Speaker 7: Yeah? 1407 01:38:10,319 --> 01:38:13,479 Speaker 16: I got a quick and unique, outlandish question for you, 1408 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,319 and that is on the topic of humor in Orthodoxy. 1409 01:38:17,159 --> 01:38:19,439 Speaker 7: And I was just curious if you know any sources of. 1410 01:38:21,039 --> 01:38:25,199 Speaker 16: How humor should be applied in Orthodoxy, for like, for example, like. 1411 01:38:27,039 --> 01:38:27,960 Speaker 7: Like what's too far? 1412 01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:30,239 Speaker 16: Like where do you draw the line? Obviously, things of 1413 01:38:30,279 --> 01:38:33,560 a sexual nature and blasphemist that's off the table. But 1414 01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,680 what about going is so far as like George Troy Memes, 1415 01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:39,239 et cetera, or stuff. 1416 01:38:39,039 --> 01:38:44,159 Speaker 7: Like that, like that guy that called earlier good question. 1417 01:38:44,359 --> 01:38:47,840 I'm not sure of anything that actually expelicially deals with this. 1418 01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:52,840 I mean, even Ezekiel kind of makes dirty jokes, so 1419 01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:55,920 I don't even think that necessarily even every quote dirty 1420 01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,439 joke is off the table. I think it's more a 1421 01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:01,840 question of what proprie right, So the right place, at 1422 01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,960 the right time, right, so you know, you're walking into 1423 01:39:06,039 --> 01:39:10,239 the to the divine temple to do divine liturgy. You're 1424 01:39:10,279 --> 01:39:13,279 not going to make dirty jokes or really jokes, right, 1425 01:39:13,399 --> 01:39:16,000 I mean every time that you know, Father Vladimir makes 1426 01:39:16,359 --> 01:39:22,319 wise cracks after the service. But yes, I think it's 1427 01:39:22,359 --> 01:39:25,000 more so a question of propriety than like what's proper 1428 01:39:25,079 --> 01:39:26,800 and what's right at the right time, the right place 1429 01:39:27,039 --> 01:39:33,199 versus some absolutist, weird you know, puritanical type positions. Your no, 1430 01:39:33,279 --> 01:39:35,680 what's up? But that's a great question, your know what's up? 1431 01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:41,800 Speaker 3: Hello? 1432 01:39:42,279 --> 01:39:42,479 Speaker 7: Yeah? 1433 01:39:43,319 --> 01:39:43,760 Speaker 9: Can you hear me? 1434 01:39:45,039 --> 01:39:45,239 Speaker 14: Yeah? 1435 01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:47,399 Speaker 16: So I grew up Ruben Catholic, but I am inquiring 1436 01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:49,159 orthodoxy after watching your debate with. 1437 01:39:49,199 --> 01:39:51,640 Speaker 21: Horn and Gordon and I am leaning to more. 1438 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:54,640 Speaker 3: Towards Orthodoxy for what I consider it to be truth. However, 1439 01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:55,159 it's hard for. 1440 01:39:55,239 --> 01:39:57,600 Speaker 14: Me to make that switch knowing my whole lineage has 1441 01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,279 been Catholics and my family and friends are And is 1442 01:40:00,319 --> 01:40:02,680 it wrong to appeal to this kind of I don't know. 1443 01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:07,000 Speaker 7: Emotion well, I think it's natural, but I don't think 1444 01:40:07,039 --> 01:40:09,800 it's a good reason to pick a religion. I mean, 1445 01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,720 imagine your whole lineage is Buddhist and then Christianity is introduced, 1446 01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:15,840 and you know, would you say, well, you know, don't 1447 01:40:15,880 --> 01:40:18,600 convert because everybody's a Buddhist in your country, right. I mean, 1448 01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:23,439 it's just it's not ultimately a significant enough reason to 1449 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:27,439 not convert to religion. So, and I feel you because 1450 01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:31,359 I understand Catholic attitudes on this, So many Roman Catholics will, 1451 01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,039 ultimately if it end up saying something like I just 1452 01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:39,399 can't let go of like my family, family eat tradition, 1453 01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,840 you know what I mean. But if you read the 1454 01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:45,720 New Testament, does does it sound like Jesus is cool 1455 01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:47,319 with that or does he say, you know, you have 1456 01:40:47,399 --> 01:40:57,119 to choose me over family, tradition, et cetera. So I 1457 01:40:57,159 --> 01:41:01,279 feel like we're going to get the climate change guy 1458 01:41:01,319 --> 01:41:09,640 again under his alt profiles. What's up, man, I'm mute. Yeah, 1459 01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:11,319 oh yeah. 1460 01:41:11,359 --> 01:41:13,640 Speaker 27: I was just looking for like any sort of papers 1461 01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,920 or information on why the essence entergy distinction doesn't lead 1462 01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:18,439 to like I can posite God. 1463 01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,760 Speaker 7: I'm just looking for that does the trinity lead to composition? 1464 01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:26,560 Speaker 27: No, I'm just looking for like you posted a paper once. 1465 01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:28,079 I'm going to read your channels under. 1466 01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:36,479 Speaker 7: It was probably David Bradshaw's papers on essence energy what 1467 01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,199 kind of distinction which is in his book Essence and Energies. 1468 01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:54,880 All right, thank you? Ye John? What's up man? Della? 1469 01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,319 Speaker 28: Yeah, I heard you earlier talking about paradigm breaking. I 1470 01:41:59,359 --> 01:42:01,079 would kind of like it's like a mini death. But 1471 01:42:01,079 --> 01:42:03,880 I was curious, but your thoughts were on like the 1472 01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:07,279 Candess owens she's like fully taking the Skitzo pill kind of. 1473 01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:08,800 Speaker 7: I'm like, I want to know what you think of 1474 01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:13,520 that about what do you mean exactly by her taking it? 1475 01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:17,399 Speaker 28: She's like posting on Twitter. There's like the shooter is 1476 01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:19,640 not really the dude, he's like innocent and stuff. I mean, 1477 01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,119 is there any credence to this? Do you think she's 1478 01:42:21,159 --> 01:42:22,199 like fully going insane? 1479 01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,439 Speaker 7: Like I don't. I don't keep up with a lot 1480 01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:29,039 of her theories and whatnot, so I don't know like 1481 01:42:29,159 --> 01:42:31,800 what the latest position is that she has. So I 1482 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,399 don't think it's fine to ask. I think it's fine 1483 01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:40,119 to ask questions. But also I think that like choosing 1484 01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:44,000 certain things like the sexuality of my Crohn's wife and 1485 01:42:44,119 --> 01:42:46,359 then just sort of like hammering at that, it's just 1486 01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:50,279 odd to me. It's like I don't care to be honest. Yeah, 1487 01:42:50,319 --> 01:42:52,079 like maybe that's just a way to get you know, 1488 01:42:52,680 --> 01:43:03,000 you know, audience and attention all that. I say, what, Oh, yeah, 1489 01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:06,520 I mean I think a lot of times in these 1490 01:43:06,600 --> 01:43:09,880 high profile events, which you know, I've been looking at 1491 01:43:10,399 --> 01:43:14,680 high profile events since two thousand and three, a lot 1492 01:43:14,720 --> 01:43:18,239 of times you you'll you'll never solve all the high 1493 01:43:18,279 --> 01:43:22,000 profile event questions. And I think sometimes they even throw 1494 01:43:22,079 --> 01:43:28,720 in confusing details and distractions to confuse on purpose. Usually 1495 01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:34,560 when there's some sort of high profile operation that's part 1496 01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:37,199 of the operation is to throw in confusion to lead 1497 01:43:37,239 --> 01:43:39,399 people off the trail. And I'm not saying Candae isn't 1498 01:43:39,399 --> 01:43:42,560 necessarily doing it. I'm saying that when you've studied these 1499 01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,000 these events for many, many years, you you kind of 1500 01:43:46,079 --> 01:43:48,760 come to the conclusion as I have, that a lot 1501 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:51,319 of these are never going to be resolved. You're never 1502 01:43:51,399 --> 01:43:53,920 going to figure out, oh, exactly what this guy was 1503 01:43:54,000 --> 01:43:56,439 doing at nine to eleven that day in the tower, 1504 01:43:56,479 --> 01:43:57,960 and when did he come out, and when did he 1505 01:43:58,079 --> 01:44:01,680 give the you know in review to the reporters, and 1506 01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,199 was he an actor formerly in this and name like, 1507 01:44:04,279 --> 01:44:07,319 you'll never figure out all the rabbit trails and the 1508 01:44:07,359 --> 01:44:10,399 loose ends. I'm not saying you can't question the events 1509 01:44:10,560 --> 01:44:13,319 or that I believe the official stories. Far from it. 1510 01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,159 I'm a skeptic on all these events, but I think 1511 01:44:16,279 --> 01:44:18,840 that a lot of the loosens are never going to 1512 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,279 be resolved on purpose, And so what I try to 1513 01:44:22,319 --> 01:44:24,600 focus on is the big picture and the things that 1514 01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:32,199 are demonstrable and noble and where the big picture points. So, 1515 01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:37,960 like I was perusing some of the conspiracy websites in 1516 01:44:38,039 --> 01:44:41,479 the last few days, some of the old school ones, 1517 01:44:42,680 --> 01:44:49,640 and it's just an infinite rabbit hole of even contradictory 1518 01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:53,119 theories about No, it was this guy over here with 1519 01:44:53,279 --> 01:44:56,439 a palm pistol gun who really didn't know is actually 1520 01:44:56,479 --> 01:44:59,520 a person in a tunnel underground shooting up from below. No, 1521 01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:04,880 it was Actually, it's like there is infinite theorizing and 1522 01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:09,720 it's ultimately it doesn't lead anywhere. So again, I'm a 1523 01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:18,199 person twenty plus years into conspiracy theories, and maybe there 1524 01:45:18,279 --> 01:45:24,920 is somebody who has the full story. But remember after 1525 01:45:25,079 --> 01:45:30,239 the Big nine event, you had infinity debates about nanothermite 1526 01:45:31,319 --> 01:45:33,600 and then you had no But did you read the 1527 01:45:33,720 --> 01:45:37,039 NIST report and the response of the this report and 1528 01:45:37,199 --> 01:45:43,279 the geological research of the tectonic plate movements and the 1529 01:45:43,479 --> 01:45:46,560 speed at which the and it's like, who in the 1530 01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:51,239 hell knows any of the shit? Nobody? So I mean, 1531 01:45:51,319 --> 01:45:55,439 I can't get at PhD in tectonics and geology to 1532 01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:58,880 go and remember after the koof do you have a 1533 01:45:58,960 --> 01:46:01,960 degree in viral and viruses are fake? And also do 1534 01:46:02,039 --> 01:46:05,279 you have it? You know, it's like there's infinity, but no, 1535 01:46:05,479 --> 01:46:08,880 you don't understand the principles of nanotechnology and their actual 1536 01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:12,079 nano thermiographing bobble. It's like, I don't, I can't. It's 1537 01:46:12,239 --> 01:46:15,600 humanly impossible to get a PhD in every one of 1538 01:46:15,640 --> 01:46:18,439 these freaking subjects, to master all of them, to figure 1539 01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:20,920 out every loose end of all of the conspiracies, and 1540 01:46:21,039 --> 01:46:22,960 you never will and you. It's that way on purpose. 1541 01:46:25,039 --> 01:46:28,079 So I am not saying there are no conspiracies. There 1542 01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:32,760 are all the time. Conspiracies. In fact, espionage is big 1543 01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:39,840 nation state corporate skill. Conspiracy, conspiracizing and conspiring conspiracies are 1544 01:46:39,920 --> 01:46:44,960 a criminal thing in the code or criminal code, right, 1545 01:46:45,039 --> 01:46:48,279 So of course there are conspiracies. But a lot of 1546 01:46:48,399 --> 01:46:56,319 people are going wild on Twitter trying to deconstruct every 1547 01:46:56,560 --> 01:46:59,720 frame and angle and whatever of the shooter and this 1548 01:47:00,279 --> 01:47:04,119 and that clip, and it's just I just don't see 1549 01:47:04,199 --> 01:47:08,720 where it's going to go. So we focus on the 1550 01:47:08,800 --> 01:47:16,399 big picture, the meta, the zoomed out, because that's really 1551 01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:20,560 the best that I could do. But you know, if 1552 01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:25,199 people are like ballistics, I mean, I've heard in the 1553 01:47:25,279 --> 01:47:30,600 last several weeks like five different interviews with five ballistic 1554 01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:35,000 experts telling everyone about what bullets can and can't. How 1555 01:47:35,039 --> 01:47:37,439 am I supposed to know? Do I have to go 1556 01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:41,000 get a ballistics degree to figure out, Oh it's this 1557 01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:46,720 guy of the five ballistics. It's just not possible. So 1558 01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:50,560 I don't know what the answer is. I would just 1559 01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:54,560 say I focus on the big scale picture of the books, 1560 01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,439 what they admit in the books, and I can't get 1561 01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:00,720 a degree in fricking plate tectonics to tell you whether 1562 01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:07,159 nano thermite did what blanco? What's up? Hey, Jay? What's up? 1563 01:48:10,039 --> 01:48:10,159 Speaker 2: Uh? 1564 01:48:11,319 --> 01:48:15,439 Speaker 7: Plate tectonics and nanothermite, and whether or not I can 1565 01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:21,119 build an instrument that registers the shake from nano thermitte explosions. 1566 01:48:26,159 --> 01:48:27,000 Are you there? What's up? 1567 01:48:27,399 --> 01:48:30,159 Speaker 9: Yeah? Yeah, I'm here. So basically, Jay, I wanted to 1568 01:48:30,239 --> 01:48:34,920 ask you something about like the coptic arguments against us. 1569 01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:40,479 So they said that like Constantinople two overwrote some of 1570 01:48:40,520 --> 01:48:42,199 the things that happened in Calcedon. 1571 01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:46,880 Speaker 7: Now that's a misunderstanding. It's not overwriting. It's stating that 1572 01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,840 you have to interpret Calcedon in a querrillion way. 1573 01:48:51,479 --> 01:48:54,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, because here's the whole thing. Like they presented the 1574 01:48:54,800 --> 01:48:59,159 argument that, like there were three letters in Calcedon I 1575 01:48:59,399 --> 01:48:59,920 read to base. 1576 01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:05,119 Speaker 4: Basically, they accepted the teachingmself of this, Like. 1577 01:49:05,520 --> 01:49:07,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, watch, David Rhuan has a whole video on this, 1578 01:49:08,239 --> 01:49:10,439 So I'm not trying to be rude, but like, yeah, 1579 01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:14,239 we've addressed that. Just go back into David's archives. Nicky 1580 01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:25,000 Niki Farose, what's a Christian Killian? Two dollars? Jay? Have 1581 01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:26,920 you ever seen the boys on Amazon. 1582 01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:27,359 Speaker 2: Uh. 1583 01:49:28,119 --> 01:49:30,479 Speaker 7: I had people telling me the first season was interesting, 1584 01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:32,640 and then I saw like a bunch of gay stuff, 1585 01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:38,520 so I just didn't even look at it. So Jamie 1586 01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:42,640 and I started watching Penny Dreadful, which at first was 1587 01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:46,680 kind of interesting, and then then there was like this 1588 01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:53,119 gay Dorian Gray or Dorian gay scene. This almost almost 1589 01:49:53,279 --> 01:49:56,920 checked out. And then I asked Grok if it was 1590 01:49:57,359 --> 01:49:58,960 if there was a lot of gay in the show, 1591 01:49:59,079 --> 01:50:03,319 and Croc said, not a lot. Actually it gets toned down, 1592 01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:08,920 so I might continue because there is this weird esoterica 1593 01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:14,640 Colt stuff going on with Ava. Green's character is supposed 1594 01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:20,800 to be the incarnation of Raw's wife and she's Roman Catholic, 1595 01:50:20,960 --> 01:50:22,880 but she's possessed by a demon if you don't know. 1596 01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:25,520 So there's these interesting elements to the show which I 1597 01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:31,479 find worthwhile. And then you've got this like in Cell 1598 01:50:32,359 --> 01:50:37,560 knockoff version of Frankenstein character with that who's like the 1599 01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:40,920 Phantom of the opera guy who lives in the theater 1600 01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:43,600 like that. It's like that shit is just dumbed du 1601 01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:45,520 and I'm like, what is this? Why am I watching 1602 01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:50,039 an intel Frankenstein with in Cell rage. So it's like 1603 01:50:50,199 --> 01:50:52,600 some of the storylines that the characters are really interesting, 1604 01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:54,840 but then the other ones are like this is dumb, dude, 1605 01:50:55,159 --> 01:50:55,560 what's up? 1606 01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:55,760 Speaker 3: Man? 1607 01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:57,960 Speaker 7: So I don't know if I'm gonna finish it? Nikki 1608 01:50:58,079 --> 01:50:58,840 four Ros, what's up? 1609 01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:00,359 Speaker 3: Hey Jay? 1610 01:51:00,399 --> 01:51:00,760 Speaker 7: What's up? 1611 01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:03,720 Speaker 3: God? Bless you? Thanks for everything you do. I have 1612 01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,079 like an idea that you know, like you have these 1613 01:51:06,119 --> 01:51:06,520 ideas you. 1614 01:51:06,600 --> 01:51:08,680 Speaker 11: Latch onto, and it's kind of something I'm interested in, 1615 01:51:08,760 --> 01:51:11,800 and I wanted to filter through, like your understanding of 1616 01:51:11,880 --> 01:51:15,159 geopolitics and kind of how like knowledge like passes. 1617 01:51:14,920 --> 01:51:16,640 Speaker 3: On through to different people. 1618 01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:22,279 Speaker 11: Are you familiar with like Benedict Anderson's Imagined Communities and 1619 01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,000 the idea that like the printing press kind of like 1620 01:51:25,159 --> 01:51:30,760 shape the nation state, that kind of thing. Okay, Well, 1621 01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,319 he has this theory that he puts forward in that 1622 01:51:33,399 --> 01:51:36,159 book that basically says, like without the printing press, like 1623 01:51:36,279 --> 01:51:39,039 modern nation state borders wouldn't have formed because you wouldn't 1624 01:51:39,039 --> 01:51:42,159 have had these like shared narratives and a common language 1625 01:51:42,319 --> 01:51:45,239 among like regionally kind of. 1626 01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:48,600 Speaker 3: Like regionally close groups. 1627 01:51:49,399 --> 01:51:52,199 Speaker 11: And so I'm kind of interested in, like how it 1628 01:51:52,399 --> 01:51:57,079 is that like the changing information landscape kind of imperceptibly 1629 01:51:57,840 --> 01:52:01,039 adjust the way that we kind of engage with ideas 1630 01:52:01,079 --> 01:52:03,359 and reality kind of in like the you know, like 1631 01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:07,159 Marshall mcluan talking about like you know, roads come about 1632 01:52:07,239 --> 01:52:10,039 and it changes the way people travel, or like if 1633 01:52:10,079 --> 01:52:12,439 you think about like people growing up today kind of 1634 01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:15,920 can't imagine a world without TikTok or like our generation 1635 01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:19,560 we couldn't imagine really a world without books and accessing 1636 01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:24,199 ideas that way. I was just wondering, like because clearly, 1637 01:52:24,279 --> 01:52:26,479 like these types of changes in the information space can 1638 01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,279 be weaponized and like probably were in World War One 1639 01:52:29,399 --> 01:52:31,319 to kind of get massive groups of people to fight. 1640 01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:36,279 Like do you how do you just wondering like if 1641 01:52:36,359 --> 01:52:39,439 those ideas kind of like bring anything to mind in 1642 01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,600 terms of like you know, how it is that people 1643 01:52:42,720 --> 01:52:46,439 perhaps like engage with religion and religious ideas. 1644 01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:48,520 Speaker 3: You know, like at the time of the Apostles, you 1645 01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:49,880 learned about the faith through people. 1646 01:52:50,119 --> 01:52:53,279 Speaker 11: Now you learn about it online, like any just wondering 1647 01:52:53,319 --> 01:52:54,760 if anything comes to mind for you, like. 1648 01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:58,359 Speaker 7: Like the medium is the message essentially? 1649 01:52:58,439 --> 01:52:58,560 Speaker 3: Yah? 1650 01:52:58,640 --> 01:53:03,239 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's mcglillan. So I mean what 1651 01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,680 do you mean what comes to mind? What I don't 1652 01:53:05,720 --> 01:53:06,640 understand what you're asking. 1653 01:53:08,319 --> 01:53:11,079 Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know if nothing pops up like, no 1654 01:53:11,199 --> 01:53:12,479 big deal, it's just something. 1655 01:53:12,720 --> 01:53:15,119 Speaker 3: This is just the concept I'm interested in. And like 1656 01:53:15,359 --> 01:53:17,239 if you look at if you kind of go with. 1657 01:53:17,279 --> 01:53:22,479 Speaker 11: Bennedict Anderson's theory about nation states being formed by the 1658 01:53:22,560 --> 01:53:26,039 printing press and like distribution of books within a certain region, 1659 01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:29,039 you can kind of say, like, okay, well, the decentralized 1660 01:53:29,079 --> 01:53:31,800 information that we access kind of contributed to say like 1661 01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:35,319 BLM becoming a massive movement in the US because you 1662 01:53:35,399 --> 01:53:38,520 can kind of latch onto these subgroups, identify with the 1663 01:53:38,600 --> 01:53:43,960 group that doesn't really respect national boundaries, can transnational or 1664 01:53:44,079 --> 01:53:47,880 like international, and like, I don't know, I just I 1665 01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:50,920 guess it's kind of not a super well formed question 1666 01:53:51,079 --> 01:53:52,640 because I have a lot of ideas. 1667 01:53:52,319 --> 01:53:54,800 Speaker 7: Here, but like, well, if you're meaning in a more 1668 01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:57,600 like conspiratorial sense, that why I would be familiar with 1669 01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:00,199 and I would agree with because you know, if you 1670 01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:03,039 read for example, Full Spectrum Dominance by F. William Ingdahl, 1671 01:54:03,159 --> 01:54:06,560 he talks about the means and methods of studying swarming 1672 01:54:07,399 --> 01:54:12,000 and manipulation of networks, and for example, in the Arab Spring, 1673 01:54:12,119 --> 01:54:15,880 we had some of the first experiments with engaging in 1674 01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:20,920 social revolution and government toppling through Twitter and social media. 1675 01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:26,039 And if you get into more advanced like graduate studies 1676 01:54:26,279 --> 01:54:31,359 of intelligence research, they will actually use textbooks like the 1677 01:54:31,479 --> 01:54:36,399 Marketing of Rebellion where they talk about specific groups being 1678 01:54:36,479 --> 01:54:39,960 targeted and marketed with a kind of rebellion like you're 1679 01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:44,159 talking about, and that's done at a very sophisticated, you know, 1680 01:54:44,359 --> 01:54:48,439 rank corporation pentagon level that can occur. So that comes 1681 01:54:48,479 --> 01:54:52,600 to mind if that's what you mean, Like, did think 1682 01:54:52,680 --> 01:55:01,920 tanks and powerful organizations study how to market revolution social media? Absolutely, 1683 01:55:02,359 --> 01:55:05,640 and there's a there's a textbook on it called Marketing 1684 01:55:05,760 --> 01:55:06,319 of Rebellion. 1685 01:55:06,359 --> 01:55:09,960 Speaker 3: I think, okay, great, I'll check those out. If you 1686 01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,279 don't mine, can I just ask like on the topic, 1687 01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:13,560 do I have a moment? 1688 01:55:15,520 --> 01:55:18,359 Speaker 11: So I mean, so thank you for that now, like 1689 01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:20,800 kind of looking at this through the lens of say, 1690 01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:25,239 like evangelism, and like the spreading is kind of orthodox 1691 01:55:25,359 --> 01:55:29,600 Christianity or how like Protestantism took off, Like obviously Protestantism 1692 01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:32,640 couldn't have taken off without the printing press, right, like 1693 01:55:33,279 --> 01:55:35,000 the I feel. 1694 01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:37,159 Speaker 7: Like, by the way, the book is, it's Cambridge University 1695 01:55:37,279 --> 01:55:41,640 Press and it's called Marketing of Rebellion insurgence, media and 1696 01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:47,399 international activism. But it lines up with what Ingdahl talks 1697 01:55:47,439 --> 01:55:50,319 about because he talked about believe it or not, the 1698 01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:53,079 Pentagon and the Rank Corporation were actually studying this at 1699 01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:57,479 the time of the sixties democratic student revolutions. They were 1700 01:55:57,560 --> 01:56:03,640 studying the concept of swarming and creating on the spot mobs, 1701 01:56:05,960 --> 01:56:11,039 mob attacks, and how to actually organize that in a 1702 01:56:11,319 --> 01:56:14,800 in a even before the Internet existed. So this is 1703 01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:17,920 actually a pretty sophisticated thing, gotcha. 1704 01:56:18,359 --> 01:56:20,600 Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean you know that kind of I'm sure 1705 01:56:20,640 --> 01:56:22,399 they kind of built off the idea and I'll definitely 1706 01:56:22,479 --> 01:56:24,359 check that out that like, you know, like World War 1707 01:56:24,439 --> 01:56:26,319 One couldn't have kicked off if you didn't have like 1708 01:56:26,439 --> 01:56:29,119 seventy percent literacy rate in Europe at the time and 1709 01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:32,159 people weren't able to read like mass market or like 1710 01:56:32,279 --> 01:56:34,800 you know, mass public pamphlets. 1711 01:56:34,279 --> 01:56:36,439 Speaker 7: Like we Are the Revolution, that type of stuff. 1712 01:56:36,479 --> 01:56:36,600 Speaker 3: Right. 1713 01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:40,439 Speaker 11: But yeah, anyways, the next question is kind of like 1714 01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:44,279 on the topic of how this might affect like evangelization 1715 01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:47,119 and kind of the spread of religion. I think it's 1716 01:56:47,159 --> 01:56:49,600 clear like Protestantism couldn't have taken off. It like there 1717 01:56:49,680 --> 01:56:52,319 wasn't a mass printed Bible, right, but like, was that 1718 01:56:52,479 --> 01:56:55,199 the way that the church fathers and kind of the 1719 01:56:55,319 --> 01:56:56,239 original people. 1720 01:56:56,079 --> 01:56:58,720 Speaker 7: In the church, well they could the analogy there is 1721 01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:03,319 coin a Greek because Greek was the common language language 1722 01:57:03,319 --> 01:57:06,800 of the Empire. You had you know, Alexander the Great 1723 01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:11,720 spreading Greek everywhere. That is what made everybody able to convert. 1724 01:57:12,199 --> 01:57:13,760 So in other words, that laid the ground where that 1725 01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:17,119 was the presupposition for the conversion to Christianity. So absolutely 1726 01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:22,039 also I forgot. Yeah, there is this old Guardian article 1727 01:57:22,079 --> 01:57:25,039 that's very important. We bring it up all the time, 1728 01:57:25,239 --> 01:57:28,600 and it was almost twenty years ago, right. This is 1729 01:57:28,680 --> 01:57:32,079 a British Ministry of Defense white paper about what the 1730 01:57:32,159 --> 01:57:35,439 future would look like in our days, almost our days 1731 01:57:35,479 --> 01:57:40,479 twenty thirty, we're almost there. Revolutions, flash mobs and brain chips, 1732 01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:44,359 grim visions of the future. And so when I was 1733 01:57:44,439 --> 01:57:47,960 mentioning swarming, this is the same principle as the flash 1734 01:57:48,399 --> 01:57:51,399 moms h broad So this is again this has been 1735 01:57:52,079 --> 01:57:54,840 intensely studied and as you guys know, you might not 1736 01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:57,640 be aware of this, maybe you're a casual listener. One 1737 01:57:57,680 --> 01:57:59,279 of the things we've done on my channel over the 1738 01:57:59,399 --> 01:58:03,199 years is we've we've analyzed and read through and studied 1739 01:58:03,279 --> 01:58:06,960 quite a few white papers. We've done the NATO Psyop document. 1740 01:58:07,119 --> 01:58:11,399 We've done uh Silent Weapons Required Wars document. We've done 1741 01:58:13,560 --> 01:58:16,880 a bunch of them, right, We've done the Lockstep uh 1742 01:58:17,319 --> 01:58:21,399 for four stage white paper from the rock Filler Foundation. 1743 01:58:22,199 --> 01:58:24,319 I mean, we've done a lot of these, and so 1744 01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:31,560 I'm trying to remember that one Cognitive Warfare that's the 1745 01:58:31,640 --> 01:58:36,199 NATO one. Uh, They're they're all kind of similar. Oh, 1746 01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:38,760 I forgot it. There's also the British Ministry of Defense 1747 01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,399 Transhumanist document. I forgot. That's a whole other, a whole 1748 01:58:41,439 --> 01:58:45,399 other one. So it's like, like, what's funny is all 1749 01:58:45,479 --> 01:58:48,640 of this stuff is in these kinds of boring white papers, 1750 01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:56,880 and uh, they're fascinating to read, they're pretty boring, the 1751 01:58:56,960 --> 01:59:01,079 problem is that there's not like one. See, whenever you 1752 01:59:01,199 --> 01:59:03,920 do these talks on YouTube, you have to like tie