Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the Last of
Us Season two reviews. This is for episode four. I'm
the grenade tosser Tras Now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I'm the take on Me Kirkland Patzer.
Speaker 1: Yes, lays Jim, we are back. We are here. I
think next week we might actually hopefully have everybody Dylan
has been watching Dylan's just like just you know, one
episode one fell asleep and you know, forgot the review
was and the other times it hasn't lined up. Taylor's
on a date night. So hopefully there'll be an episode
of all four of Us. I think it's coming. We
got how many episodes left? I think it's three more
because I think it's a shorter season. Yeah, it's weird
that short season. Yeah, three more. So I'm sure at
least even for the finale it might happen. But we're
back to talk about last week. So, like I said,
episode four, Season two, as usual, do the non spoilers,
and then we'll go on to our spoiled territory where
we take a break. And I'm gonna go first because
I was on last week, so I'll just transition to
that and then we'll talk about some stuff later that
we have been doing a key for stuff coming up.
It's gonna be getting really busy, so some good content
on the way. And was this good content? Absolutely? Yes,
this is fantastic episode. I liked last week. I'm I
don't know, it's much like because I saw some people
talk about being slow or whatnot like that never really
slowness doesn't bother me as long as there's great character
stuff and I'm enjoying what's happening. And I feel like
it's like we've talke about before, like HBO. I guess
I'd have to think about other ones, but I'm just
conditioned to feel like it's Game of Thrones whe every
time something mass would happen to that, you'd always get
like a very slow down, right, And that was last week,
And I think this week was perfect because it was
a big pick up. I think you got lots of developments,
lots of introductions, lots of like not lots, but there's
one new character in particular, which I feel like there's
some heavy scenes there. I feel like the back half
was having some good action and just some good kind
of intense situations. And then near the end this episode
there's two revelations that I'm happy have happened because we
can talk about them. Plus there's some stuff that last
week I was I'm still iffy on because there was
one thing that didn't happen, but it kind of happened
this week, so I'm like, Okay, a little out of order,
but I can see how it goes. There's another thing
I'm curious how they're gonna do, and then there's one
thing I'll talk on spoys. So I'm really not worried,
but hoping it's not true. They said something last week
words ago, Oh yeah, that didn't happen. It's like, oh,
that's something pretty big, but I trust them to figure
it out. I don't know, but yeah, No, this week
was great. Pacey was great. Both Bella and Isabelle were fantastic.
Like I'm not saying this because Bella is also great,
but Isabelle just felt like I gonna say it was
her episode, but felt like, in a sense, they gave
her a lot to do, and I just thought, man,
we've told this before, but just I feel like, in
five years, you're just gonna see this lady everywhere. Like
I feel like, yeah, people are gonna cast her. She's
just so good, she's so natural at all the emotions
where it just feels like a character, and Bella is too.
Don't get me wrong, I'm just saying, we Belle, We've
already seen that multiple times, and I've already liked Isabelle
as Dina. But I thought this was probably her standout
episode for multitude reasons. I'm like, you know, they're kind
of shedding some light on more these sUAS, where last
week it was kind of like, hey, the wolves are
just really fucking bad, and then this week it's like, well,
you know, there could be two sides every story, kind
of like with Joel, Abby and Ellie, right Like, it's
like that's not like a one sided situation. So no,
I thought this was great. I thought like, even though
the big thing happened in episode two, this might be
my favorite episode of this season. If not, it's on
Park because episode two was big. But I also like,
like the talent a tack stuff was cool. But like
I I don't know, like I wasn't like like I
was invested, but I don't go back that cause it
was just like a huge attack I just felt. And
maybe that's because it doesn't happen the game. So for me,
it just felt like action for the sake of action,
where this action felt like it was all pertaining what's
going on with their main characters. Of course Tommy is
a main character, but I don't know, I just don't
look at that and be like, man, that was fantastic.
There were some fun moments, but it's not like a
highlight for me. But yeah, so I think it was
probably my favorite episode the season so far. And I
think about Bella and Asabelle as this now team going
to See Again emissions, Uh, just continue of great chemistry,
continue to just have great scene after another. So yeah,
very connected with what's going on right now, and was
surprised where we got somewhere, like it's it. I'm always
curious what they kind of fast travel in the game
and then what they don't like. It's kind of funny
the episode, like Ossie, I missed last week. The week
before that was you and me and we were talking
about planning out like the Seattle trip, and we fixty
days there and last week it was like five minutes,
it's there, and I was like, oh, we're really just
kind of going there, and which I get, like it's
it's funny because I that's why I don't know, because
I think they've confirmed that, like at least the second
games for sure gonna be split into two seasons. So
for me, it's like, oh, we're probably gonna have lots
of traveling to Seattle. So when they jump ahead, it's like, oh,
that's curious. So I'm always curious what they are planning
to kind of fast forward and stuff they're stopping at.
But either a great episode for myself, what about you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think this is a really, uh fantastic episode.
It was funny. I was telling you just offcast, Like
Shaye is back in country now, so she's watching the show.
She didn't have the Crave log in where she was,
so she was just catching up. And man, I appreciate
those earlier episodes so much more specifically one, like I
feel like I was kind of confused honestly the first
time I watched episode one, just because I didn't rewatch
that first season. I did like a really quick recap,
but like definitely missed a few things. So just the
emotion that the characters are already carrying entering the new season,
like even before we have the five year jump. That
just hit me so much differently. And then all of
the stuff with Ellie and Joel. Uh, it just it
hit me so much harder, like on a second viewing,
just kind of knowing what I know now, the Abby stuff,
like all the Firefly stuff, Like, I just liked that
so much more on the second viewing, just because I
think I was really expect unexpected. Uh was a weird
way to say that. I was really surprised expected happened. Yeah,
I was really surprised by the unexpected turn, specifically with
the Abby character and all the jol stuff. I just
didn't think we're gonna be getting that this early. So
I was really positive overall on the show, more so
than I already was, which was really high on the show.
Just maybe some confusion in there, So just a more
positive mindset going into this episode. And I think this
was a really, really fantastic episode. I agree with you.
I definitely think it's Dina's episode. It's interesting because with
Isabella and Bella, I feel like Isabella is like she's
kind of has to be so much more I don't
want to say emotional, but just like using her emotions
and like her just facial features, Like she's just so
much more I don't know what the word I'm looking for,
like colorful, I think in comparison to someone like Ellie,
because Ellie's very like keeps it in right, Yeah, like
it's it's a whole performance issue or anything, like she's
just not doing it. It's like that's actually what the
character's supposed to be. So it's just an interesting contrast.
And I just appreciate the moments that they have together
because I feel like that those are specific moments where
Ellie really is able to kind of put her guard down,
even though like she's still trying to, but Dina just
has a way to kind of break through that. And yeah,
just the characters together are really really fun. So been
I guess minor spoilers, there's some some decent I was
gonna say action for lack of better term, but like
just suspenseful moments and like I was like sweating and them,
like I think they did a spectacular job and just
really hitting on that and just intensity and the suspense.
And as someone that hasn't played the second game, you know,
I heard some murmurs in the discord this might be
a pretty accurate portrayal or comparison to the video game sequence.
Speaker 1: But this, when I saw flares, I was like, oh, man,
I remember this.
Speaker 2: This felt like a video game though, like even though
like I haven't played it, just watching it, like them
going through certain areas, going from one location or the other. Uh,
it just had that that flavoring to it, like when
they enter a new area and then as you said,
like flares are going off and you're like, oh, this
is the playing area and then it goes from like
minor cut scene to like where you're actually controlling the characters.
So I think all that was really good. Yeah, just
the threats felt really real. We get a little bit
more just I don't know if I want to even
say that, but just a little I guess more knowledge
on the players at play here, especially for the whole season,
which I'm a lot more intrigued about. So yeah, I
think from starting to finish those was just a really
stellar episode and I'm really really hype this. This is
one where when it ended, I was like, are you
kidding me? Like that's it, that's all I get for
this week. I gotta wait another week. So yeah, no,
I'm it's crazy. We're already getting close to the end here.
Speaker 1: It's like, when then, what the show is going to
come back in like eight years or something like that.
I hope it's closer this time because I don't know,
Like obviously there's certain actress schedules you might not have
to look out for, but I don't know how it works,
because I feel like all these prestige shows, it's almost
like two years is the minimum, right, it's very rare,
Like it's nice that we're getting Daredevil supposedly next year,
but just the way Hollywood works and actors doing so much,
I'm I would like it to be more closer, but
I can't. I can't know for sure.
Speaker 2: You know for sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, we're gonna take our first ad break
and then we'll be right back talking full sports. So
we'll be right and we are back. Where did you
want to start with this? Bad Boy?
Speaker 2: I I really like this episode for kind of what
I was alluding to at the end there, how just
learning more about the wolves and the scars is that
what they're called?
Speaker 1: The yeah? The scars? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And because just quickly from last week, I was just
so confused on what the fuck these people were like
the scars because they're just they look really freaky. They
have these like just ritualistic I don't know things on
their body, uh with like well scars, the little scars,
and then just like the emblems on their back, and
I just had no idea what they were because for
what's shown, they just seem like victims, like they just
completely been completely wiped out by the Wolves. And then
we see a little bit more of both sides here
and it's just a really intriguing dynamic I think to have,
especially following Ellie and Dina, like for the viewer's sake,
like this isn't the Wolves story or the Scars story.
This is Ellie, uh, you know story. So just just
entering this like war zone where these two factions are
like already going at it without your interference at all,
and we just have to, you know, find a way
through this jungle of warfare to get to our target,
which is Abby and Crew. And uh. I was just
really really enticed, I think by this dynamic where you
have like I don't really know their main goals at
all for either side.
Speaker 1: I think there's just a war pretty much right now
right because they had that Jeffrey Wright who does play
that character in the gaming voices, and the most looks, yeah,
the model looks pretty similar to I think it just
looks like Jeffrey, right. If I recall they had that
conversation about and like there's other stuff they talked about,
but they're like, oh, well you betrayed us, and he's like, well,
you betrayed us actually first, and then he goes, oh,
never mind the chicken eggs and the aarrow who betrayed you.
But that's where it sounds like there was a truce,
and so it's like one did something and who knows, right,
because there's probably it's probably similar to like a Abby
Joel Ellie's situation where it's like, okay, Joel's this bad
thing to save Ellie because he doesn't think she should
be killed. But at the same point, then he takes
out all these from you know, the wol's point of view,
innocent people, right, So then Abbey comes in the town
kills them all and even though you know was the Jackson,
they didn't, they didn't send a bunch of people out.
They still thought it was a bad thing to do, right,
So I feel like I'm not sure. I don't think
they get to that point. But then also they in
that conversation they had Jeff Wright talking about like, oh
and you shot this kid in the head with the arrow.
So I did like that because last week, yeah, it
just looked like they were like a religious group that
just got completely torn apart by the wolves. But it's
definitely again it's like the Abbey thing where there's more
too and I don't think there's a good guy bad guy,
and I think it's good as well for you know, aviously,
in the game, it's just kind of have more fodder
to you gotta look out for clickers, you gotta look
out for stalkers and the wolves and then blah blah blah.
But in this situation, I feel like it makes it
just as much harder for Ellie and he like there's
some stuff because of course you can maybe sneak because
there's a war going, but at the same time, there's
just much more threats. It's not just like okay, we'll
take Yeah, they're looking for someone. And plus it's like
if you bump into the scars, I don't think they're
gonna be like, yeah, we'll get you to Abby. Like
like it's like another threat where it's like because you
look what they've they did those people, they fucked them
a big time. They struck them from the roof and
ripped out there and Testine. So one, yeah, one, I
liked that they showed like, okay, not black and white
situation too, just another threat for uh Ellie and Dina
to work through.
Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure. I think also just coming from
season one, I was maybe like, just in terms of
their motivation, I think I was just searching for something
as clear as like, well, the fireflies want to cure everyone,
you know, that like that's their goal here, But like
I don't, like, I'm assuming they have some religious goals
that they just want to I don't know, burn down
the whole world to meet their God or something like that.
I have no idea. And then for the wolves, it
just seems like they're they're just a military that's just
like we just we're just gonna be controlling this. They're
doing like convoys and stuff. I imagine that's just because
they're in the middle of a war, so they just
kind of have to do that. But it doesn't seem like,
at least for what was shown here, is probably gonna
be something if at all that they cover later on,
but just yeah, what is their actual goal and like
what what makes them different from fireflies? Because I think
that was another thing I was a little bit confused
on when you have the sequence where it's like the
flashback with Jeffrey Wright's character when he betrays Fedra to
go to this side, Like are these people were they
just always wolves? Are these like former firefly people or
were the fireflies just in that specific area from like
where we were in season one. I don't know if
you want to answer that, It's probably gonna be a
revealed Yeah, it might be.
Speaker 1: Revealed also like a little like like fuzzy on that
type of stuff, because it is I know, there's a reason.
But even if you look at that, like Joel killed
those fireflies and that was who Abby was with, but
now she's with the wolves, right, So it's like it's like,
and I'm not sure if it's just that, if it's
just a contingent died out or something that broke off
and it's like, okay, you're you know, we're gonna do
our own things. But in my mind, I think they
are like a bit there's some aspects where they're a
bit more brutal, but I don't think it's like a
huge jump from firefly. Like I think the scars obviously
are quite different, right, like they're in their own bodies.
It's more religious factor. But I think the wolves are
just like an evolution of fireflies. It's not like a
big like well, you know, fireflies or one thing. But
these guys are really bad. It's almost just like in
a different skin of clothing. But x Y and Z,
I think we'll get there, like especially then they got
Jeffrey Right back for the show. I don't know in
this one, because I think we have three episodes, and
I think we have one episode confirmed to be like
another Bob episode that's just like a full just about
other characters. Yeah, and I think that's gonna where what's
a pagroll come back for an episode, because I think
they'll be flashbacks, so like we really got like maybe
two so I could see something with Jeffrey right being.
I could see doing a full whether it's an abby
episode or episodes. But even if it was just a
Jeffrey Right I actually for a second thought this was
gonna be that because star with Jeffrey right, Like, oh,
is this going to be just a Jeffrey Right episode,
and I'm glad it didn't. I don't get me wrong,
I loved jeff Right, so I'm down for that. But
I think with the stuff they did with Ellie and Dean,
I think we're good to establish because when in the game,
there's still more stuff to happen. But when they get
to the theater, that's near around the time you flip
over to Abby's perspective and start playing as her. So again,
I'm not sure if they're gonna do that for because
if we have three episodes left and one of those
is like a one off, I'm wondering if they're gonna
do that as the finale of this. But at the
same time, it's very tricky because I just don't know
what point they leave off to like make people wanting more,
because it's not like it's not like season one where Okay,
everyone's story ends, but Joel did a really crazy thing,
and how's it gonna happen? Right, I feel like it's
gonna be interesting when you end of like these characters
are still in a collision course. Like I still think
there's a chance that I mean Ellie because they you know,
it's Myersports, but they meet up multiple times in the game.
There's multiple situations. I wonder even this season if they're
even gonna interact, or if that's the finale of the
season of them finally like Ellie finally getting in there,
and like, I'm wondering what they're gonna do to feel
in a satisfying conclusion for people like, oh that was
season two, not feel like it's like a like a
Part one movie situation right where you know, deathly Hollos
or Hunger Games where it's like, oh, this feels like
half a movie, you know, I like some of those
Part Ones. But it's interesting. But anyways, long story short,
I could see in the future getting a full just
Jeffrey right episode because like, he's an amazing actor. If
he agreed to come back, it's like use him, you know,
like if you want to tell the stories. Because that
was a great opening scene. You got fucking Josh Peck randomly, and.
Speaker 2: There was so many like familiar faces, like I definitely
couldn't just name all those actors in there, but I'm like, man,
I recognize that guy, Josh pay I recognize that guy.
I've seen him in something. And then yeah, it just
goes to Jeffrey right I'm like, are you fucking kidding me?
We got Jeffrey righty, here the Watcher, let's go.
Speaker 1: We took. I love that you go to Watcher instead
of Gordon first, you know that, you know, speaking of
Hunger games. I guess he's in there too. But yeah,
that was something where because I don't think that if
I don't again, I could be wrong. I don't think
that scene is in the game. I think this is
to give him more backstory. That was great because I
knew something was up. But when he just went back
the measine of the fear of us. But you're just
in there waiting and you're fucking Serge just takes off
the pins, chucks them in and locks the door on you. Like,
my god, what a I.
Speaker 2: Feel it's like low chance he kills everyone with that,
Like I feel like somebody's gonna like hide behind a
body though, So that's kind of tough. It is a
pretty small area. Yeah, you are right, that is just
a big explosion, So yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like that's a problem where you could survive the
first explosion, but that's gonna move stuff around, right, And
then you got the other one and even then, I
feel like you're wounded enough to because at the same time,
because the driver.
Speaker 2: Gets locked the door to so like how the fuck
are you gonna get out of the Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: The driver gets out, and like even in the because
the TV show, but even the explosions they didn't seem massive,
So I was even wondering, are they more like just
like like smoke or eight like like knockout smoke, Like
I don't know what they have in that situation because
even then, like the guard gets out and there's tons
of smoke that could be explosions, right, but same thing,
he's locked, so it's like you'd have to get through
that gate. So I feel like, even if you don't
die from explosion, the MIC just leave you in there
and you're just fucking you're dying, right, And can you
remember the rules of this world? Is it that if
you just die, If you just die, you don't become
the core st monster?
Speaker 2: You gotta be infected by one, would imagine they Yeah,
I think you have to be bitten, like you have
to be alive.
Speaker 1: That's how it isn't walking Dad. That was like a
big reveal that, oh, if you died no matter what
you're infected. But I just think that would suck if
you're the one survivor, they lock you in and all
these bodies are turned into.
Speaker 2: These ces to be infected. So I feel like, yeah,
I don't feel like I feel like the cordyceps could
just like take over the nervous system even though it
shut down, Like it'd have to be a pretty recent death.
That's my assumption.
Speaker 1: But so no, just die by starvation there you But
great scene, great ye kept that kept that one guy alive,
who then you know, eleven years later is looking like
he's been through some ship. He's at the first scene,
they kind of make him seem like you might have
some you know, human care and quality, but now it
seems like he's just like a fucking.
Speaker 2: Which guy was he? So?
Speaker 1: Remember? Uh the got so Jeffrey Wright, he asks Josh Peck.
There's like the young guys.
Speaker 2: I remember the guy vote he removes from the vehicle.
But yes, that we see him after the eleven years.
Speaker 1: So when he was burning that one guy, there was
the one guard who's like, oh I wish you would
stop or whatnot?
Speaker 2: Oh he was the other guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he's because he had longer hair or they
just took his helmet off, and when he shoots me
the good fucking savage that was yeah. And that's where
he's just a completely like military robot guy now where
eleven years have been a tough time on him now
where the first he's kind of a bit poor, bushy
eye and seemed like want to do Yeah, so yeah, that.
Speaker 2: Makes better for me. I think it was the hair
that threw it off, because in the flashback it's luckily
you had blonde hair or something. I don't know, but
I know, I, I mean, yeah, I really like that opening.
It just I don't know, I feel like it just
shows how unstable this world is overall. Oh yeah, you
have this like organized military federal group, but they already
having infighting and and just just breaking off. And then
I'll just talk about like the torture sequence too, just
because talk about Jeffy Right's character. But I really really
love that sequence too. I think it was It was
interesting because in the flashback it shows Jeffrey Wright has
like a sort of morality to him, right, where like
Josh Peck's character is just talking about how they just
smash this poor they're calling them voters face in for
just asking a very normal question, and then they're just
laughing about it and just going off and just clearly
not giving a shit that this is like a human
person that went through this. And then Jeffy Wright, you know,
says the one line whatever it is, I'm gonna try
to paraphrase, but just shows that he has that side
to him, and it seems like he picked out that
one other guy because he saw that way too, right,
Like he actually asked like, well, why do we call
them voters? You know, it's not anything from like saving
a child or anything, but at least he's he's putting
somewhat of like what why are we labeling them this term?
So where we are eleven years later that he can
just torture this hunk a meat right in front of
him and he doesn't give a shit because he just
needs to get his answers. Clearly, they've been through a lot,
like he's talking about, you know, they've had children that
take arrows to the heads and just innocence that have
died in this war that they're they're throwing. But it
just to me, it just showed like he's been through
a lot and some change has happened in the character.
He might like he might still have that military just
stratagem in the mindset and everything, but just something happened,
and it's probably just the world overall, because this is
a very dark world. People are pretty awful obviously. You know,
we saw the Scars. Just some disembowel someone that. Whenever
I see that happen, it's not often, but it just
makes me think of Hannibal and whatever season when when
they go to Europe and he does it to it's Jack,
isn't it fucking or Jack sees the guy do it?
I don't know, I can't remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Jack makes sense. I don't think said
maybe he tries maybe maybe he tries it on Jack.
Speaker 2: In my memory though, the bell tower just got spewed
into the ground.
Speaker 1: Like but yeah, I've been wanting to rewatch that show,
but yeah.
Speaker 2: What's going on? Too much content to watch.
Speaker 1: Finish just Randing Kirkling, you know, talking about MAT's Michaelson.
That's gonna be my new thing. Give me shit because
it's great, it's great, you know, so uh yeah, yeah,
the Torch she was great, like just just a big
shot of just guy fully naked being to ship. It's
like Jesus, like I knew, I knew.
Speaker 2: He's going south with that hot pan. Honestly, he's gonna
do something.
Speaker 1: Especially because they had that cock wide out. I'm like,
oh man, what's gonna happen? But I did love when
he gives this whole speech and he goes to warm
it up again and the guy has his hand waiting
out there, and then it's just like okay, hes shoots
theim because like they're gonna get nowhere with this guy shirt.
Because at the same time, like again, what they're showing
so far is, yeah, Jeffer Wright, kill those people of grenade,
probably willing to make sacrifices. But at the same time,
I'm gonna hope that people that are still somewhat right minded,
they don't want to just torture people for hours, right,
So there might be someone in that situation that knows
full all the scars not gonna give you any information,
but they could torch them and be like, oh, well,
I was just trying to get information. Jeff Wright knows
this is just a waste of time. Do I want
to sit here and sell burnt skin and do all this?
It's like, no, I did move on, and that's how
loyal they are, right, and uh, you know, he kind
of makes those cracks at him about thinking like oh,
you really think she's gonna save you or all this stuff.
But hey, they're they're fully bought in and they again
fully at war because we saw that last episode. We
saw this episode of the disembowels and she's there was
arrows around two, so they're they're fighting and whatnot, and
and Jeffer Ray gives the whole you know, we got
hospitals and automatic guns. You guys got Bold action rifles
and you know, a few bow and arrows. What do
you go? And he's like, oh, well the faith of
her and jeff Array can't get can't can't cat through
this guy. So yeah, yeah, I liked everything they did here.
And Jeffer Wright is a great actor, and I'm glad
they're giving him some new scenes. I can't remember fully
of this torture scenes there, but the other one just
because you know one well, I guess actors do play
plays all the time, but it must be fun to
still do some new stuff instead just come in and
do the exact same stuff from the game that you voiced,
but I guess even then it's different, right, And that's
where it's like, love the video game everything it does,
but like you can't video game Jeffer right, Like seeing
Jeffer right there on stage, that's pretty close. And that's
why I gotta finish it because you know, in the third.
Speaker 2: Baby and I'm looking at him like Papa.
Speaker 1: There's lots of great stuff there, so but no all
good stuff with the jeff Right and the crew here.
So mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I was gonna go to the
action sequences, but we talk about the ladies all in one.
Speaker 1: I guess, well, I was gonna say, is there anything
we didn't check it back into the town? Oh, That's
what I was gonna say, because last week I wasn't
on what's the big change for the game players? And
I understand because I'm more of a wait and see.
So Tommy, we talked about this on the actual episode
in the episode two when Joel got killed. Tommy's there
for that, and that's the whole situation with this whole
chasing them going to Seattle. What happens first is like
immediately there's no like Tommy waits for the town oh yeah, yeah,
he like just gets on a horse and fucking goes
to find these people and then yeah, Tommy and then
Ellie and Dina, Like that's how they get there is
because they kind of track down like follow in his
footsteps and follow Tommy. So that's what's very interesting is
well they're not really doing that, just Diana and Ellie
are getting the situation at this end this episode, we
saw like okay, they saw where I can't base might
be that's probably where abvious. So there's that. But I
do understand for characters that are people if they really
which I do really enjoy Tommy, I'm waiting to see
because I don't know what's better what's not because I
I yeah, for me to wait and see, because I
don't think it's complete right off yet. I think you
can get Tommy in the story. But at the same time,
if it is just oh well, we replaced a lot
of his arc with him fighting monsters in the town.
That is a bit of a disappointment for me because
in the game he's also supposed to have like massive
survivors guilt because he was there and they didn't kill him, right,
And that's the other thing where I I won't say
yet because I don't want to get too far, but yeah,
so I'm curious for people I understand that complain if
they're fans of Tommy where I'm not gonna say he's
been benched yet, But I don't know. I guess they
could add for the fact and make him get involved
in this adventure and say, oh, you know what, I
regret not going and you know I'm gonna happen now.
But it almost feels like, why would you not just
do them in the original way, Like if Tommy does
end up joining them on this adventure, why wouldn't you
just do it in the original way where he goes first?
And then you know, maybe they just want to stretch
episode out with his voting everything. But I do understand
that's where some people are worried, and even the theater
they'd meet Tommy there and stuff. So I don't know
if that's gonna happen in a different roundabout way, but
that is a big thing that's different is they're kind
of falling his footsteps to go help him out and
join them, where this they've completely gone on their own
and Tommy's just back, And that's what reminded me that
we didn't check in with the town all, which I
think will probably'll probably check in there at least not
counting that flashback episode at least one more time. But
it is a it's this odd situation so far with
the change.
Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, my guess would be because we
have the town, like that's why Tommy is still there,
just to have like an it just a tie to
that location, because without Tommy, like we know the other characters,
but do we really care. And honestly, even even with
Diana and Ellie being in Seattle and those whole dynamics,
like I'm just so much more intrigued with that and
what was shown here with Jeffrey Wright's character Abby, Like
there is so much going on outside of the town
that I'm more interested in. But I don't know, it
just seems with what they've been setting up here in
the season, it really makes me feel like we're gonna
be definitely not focusing on the town for the rest
of the season, but at least checking in there, I imagine,
especially just because they were They're hinting it so much
like infected getting closer and then like like just burying
deep you know greedily as the Dwarves would do. So
it just it feels like we haven't written that town
off yet for what set up on the show. And honestly,
if we never go back there, I would I feel
like I would give it a con but like at
the same time, like I'm not as interested in that,
so it'll be it'll be a complicated thing to tackle
if we get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so there's nothing else, right, we talk about jeffriends,
Scar's Tommy thing. I think it's just Dean and the girls.
Now there's well, they didn't go anywhere else in this episode,
right unless I'm forgetting but.
Speaker 2: I know it's just what the girls there?
Speaker 1: We go there? Yeah, so what do you think?
Speaker 2: No, I mean, yeah, spoilers. Just those two together are fantastic.
I love the sequence when they go to the music store. Uh,
there's like minor glimpses of imagery that I remember from
part two, even though I haven't played the game. I'm
just Ellie with the guitar is someone that's just singed
in my brain. I don't know if that was like
a poster for the game, but that is just in
my mind.
Speaker 1: Uh, it's a lot of the three marketing and everything
like it was a lot, And I'm pretty sure because
there's even a sequence I don't know if it's fully
in the game that they tried to trick people where
Ellie's playing the guitar and Joel's playing with them. Obviously
Joel's dead, so it's just them fucking with gamers being like,
don't worry. Even one of the trailers ended with like
Ellie doing stuff in Seattle and Joel pulls her back
and it's like, you're not gonna do the outme kid, Like,
don't I'm not spoiling them. There's no like ghost. If
they add a ghost Joel, I'm not spoiling anything. That's
not the thing that happens. But in the game trailers
they even like added him Seattle to make it seem like,
oh no, he's around, but uh no, he was not.
But the guitar was a big like selling point on
posters everything you know, Oh you reminded me. No, they
don't know that one. But I was looking for a
thumbnail tonight. I gotta show you this one episode four
because there's some place that they just make like just
bad like teaser trailers, AI and everything. But look at
this one, the face show down between Abby.
Speaker 2: And no one would have got me.
Speaker 1: No one would have got me probably, yeah, essentially, like no,
just because that's a big thing with Like, Okay, again
I agree, I'm still in the camp that yes, I
wish they I'm not in a sense trying to body
shame Caitlyn Deaver. They did not tell her to bulk
up or anything like that, so that's fine. I do
wish she got some other Abby. But it's just so
funny that they did an AI version Kaitlyn TV and
they're like make her jacked and like just like but
her head looks completely not there. And I guess I
should say for audio listeners, but it's there's a tank.
Of course, they're in the middle road of Seattle. There's
a tank. Ellie's behind there with a gun and then
Abby's on the other side in a tank top and
she's just like her arms are the biggest you've ever
seen Kaitlyn diver her she's got ostrochen neck. Again, there's
no body shame this all AI shit going on here.
But yeah, there's quite a like completely not around the tank.
She's like so out of the tank you would see
her Abby could just shoot her arm to start, you know,
like that, you actually you could shoot her head, shoot
her head. Her head is poking out so close. I'm
not gonna share them all, but there's so many that
they just like it's it's Dina and Ellie running away
from like an AI clicker or something like that. There's
tons of that, so it's uh, but unfortunately lots of
them get clicks. Like I said, it's the it's like
it's like that Titanic meme to just like a quick tangent.
I don't think we ever to about on the air
on Tim Taylor because we talked about this before where
people's I had a friend on Facebook always full play
the fake movie poster and Taylor shared us a conversation
someone was having with somebody like their mom, and it
was a screenshot it's like, oh, man, Titanic too. And
then the person like, well, no, that that that's an
AI thing. That's not happening, and the mom was like, well,
I guess we'll see, and it's like that's how feel.
It's like, no, like if you'll just buy into these
thumb nails like same thing. There's so many Episode four
trailers with an AI image and it's like, oh, but yeah,
you're you're three weeks You're three weeks away from own Taylor.
Speaker 2: PiZZ this clicker multiple times. I'm just waiting for him
to get in a position.
Speaker 1: But like that looks like snow, right. I don't think
it's gonna snow anytime soon.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it would have been like episode two, like
that would have been.
Speaker 1: The closest we're gonna get. I'm hoping it's because last
year during GV ten here day and that's why I
cash cash on my pizza bet.
Speaker 2: Hopefully you can a lot of pizzas.
Speaker 1: Hopefully you can do something with Taylor beforehand and you
guys can just equal it out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm gonna be aggressive. Yeah, pretty anyway, you know,
he doesn't accept them unless he knows he's he's gonna win.
Speaker 1: Pretty And that was a smart one day accept Yeah. Yeah,
that video though, you.
Speaker 2: Know I talked about that they get clicks. That one
was like the most viewed. I swear it was like
on par with like the actual HBO account one. Funny
how that works. But you know, just the the guitar
singles she's playing, does she play take on me in
the game, Okay, Wow, I thought it was a different
just because through marketing, I guess they just they posted
like the actress like doing that sequence like mo capped
and everything, and I thought it was a different song.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they probably didn't show him behind the scenes
not to get a copy right strike, but yeah they did,
which is funny. I was doing yard work I listened
to that song and I thought, when I listened to song,
I'm like, man, I don't know if you remember they
used the acoustic version Deadpool two when he's saying goodbye
to Vanessa, and that's like, to me, like a ten
at ten supier version. So it's funny that they played
this year. But great scene and again it's Bill Marsett
just like you know, she just has to act and
like bella great singing voice too. I don't know if
they like adjusted anything, but that's it's it's a hard
thing too, just like because I get not like Ellie
sings a lot, right, So I just feel like when
they search for the actress of Ellie the first season,
they're not like, make sure she can sing, because I
feel like, well, it's gonna be one, see we can
figure it out. And again maybe maybe it is just
maybe it's like those posters. Maybe it's Ai Bella Ramsey,
but maybe not her. But it felt good and even
the imagery was very similar the game, with the setting
and the sunlight hidden her and uh yeah great, great moment.
Speaker 2: And of just the guitar like when they leave. I'm like,
I've seen that poster. I've seen that somewhere, but I know,
just like the little like intricacies of like her not
hitting like the perfect notes, which would make sense because yeah,
she's not, like she's not a seasoned singer performing all
the time, but it just felt really authentic. I liked
Isabelle finding her and just being so like again, just
so animated with her reactions, like just keep going like
she's she's just such a ball of light for someone
that like Ellie, that has been through so much to
just have that paired up with her, Like Joel wasn't that.
Joel wasn't keep going, oh my god, your no. Maybe
he was through throughout throughout the five year gap, but
like from what I've seen and see and one he's like,
come on your cargo, you're not a family, let's fucking go.
Speaker 1: He was to start, I feel like near the end though,
like not the she wasn't fucking balling there, but he
got that. She got the light out of him right
near the end, and I think you'd get that father daughter,
And that's the other thing. I I don't think this
is a spoiler, but the thing I want to mention
him last week because her and Dina talked about this.
They said that or maybe maybe it's uh Catherine O'Hara.
Either way, yeah, I think it was. They talked about like,
was did you ever talk to Joel again? And she
said no, I'm not trying to spoil something. But in
the game they did talk before he was killed. So
I don't know though, because in the show it's not
like some character asks and she says, yeah, we didn't talk.
They just show a flashback. So I am kinda worried.
I just hope that's still in there because there is
something to like kind of transition to we're talking about
the guitar scenes, so kind of makes sense that obviously
in this episode, like they they kiss and they have
sex and they kind of like amit their feelings towards
one another. What was different in the game is that
had already happened before they left to Seattle like they
were a fully I'm not gonna say they were girlfriends,
but they were get Like I remember a couple episodes
ago where they found that weed room or whatever. There's
a whole set piece where they've just like you, the
the cut scene starts like post sex and they're talking
and they're in their underwear and it's very cute like
back and forth scene like similar to what we got tonight,
except they didn't do the underwear of course, like now
fully clothe them and everything. That's fine, I'm just saying,
but like, so that's where I'm on.
Speaker 2: Sure from that guy.
Speaker 1: You saw enough nudity tonight fans. But no, So that's
where with the Joel thing, I'm not sure. And for me,
like the scene is great and as a key like conversation,
so I'm hoping it is just put somewhere else because
that's where this was because that for me changed the
dynamic where Ellie and Dina, and that's where I did
like the scene. But I still like the scene tonight.
It was the idea of before Joel gets killed, Ellie
is like the happiest she's ever been because she's with
Dina and Ellie her and Joel kind of talk and
kind of figure some stuff up. So it's kind of like, oh,
Ellie's life is finally on the upswing and then you know,
golf club, so they move this till later on. I
still liked the reasoning that Dina gave up. Hey, I
thought you were gonna die. So it's just like because
I thought, oh, this is odd time to just make
love for the first time.
Speaker 2: I thought that too, person just.
Speaker 1: Got bit you just announced you're pregnant. But to me,
she made it make sense of well I did it
because like half an hour ago, I thought I could
never do it now, right, So it's this thing like
just to take advantage and they they could die. So
but yeah, that is something in the game already established
where they made this a will they won't they But
they really didn't go on it for too long and
now they're together, so I'm happy about that. So and
good scene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was. It was a good scene. It
was funny. There's just again, there's some great discussion in
the GV discord about the show, so go check that out.
But yeah, just I remember you guys mentioning that how
they left that out from I think it was last.
Speaker 1: Week you were talking about maybe even too well because
it's it's episode two, because yeah, it happens right before.
But I thought, even though would be like a weird
situation for Ellie and Dina to be getting it on
after Joel died, you never know, right, the show could
have positioned as like grief and that's how they found
out because I thought, oh, that's like the weed shops
and Jackson, so it has to happen. I really like
that scene, so I was disappointed it didn't. But you know,
like I said, like, and I don't know why they
changed it, Like, I really don't because it's the same,
it's the same result. She's like, we're gonna get there.
She's still pregnant, like she's in the game. They're together now,
So I would love to and I'm sure they will
just talk about like why certain changes happened here or there,
because I thought, Okay, they're not gonna do that because
they want to drag out like the they want to
do like a whole season a half of the will
they won't they? But really they could have just had
them hook up last week and then on the road.
So I stuff that I don't know if it's just
just to be different, maybe made just to say goo
to be different.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but who knows, who knows what was
on their their strategem board. Yeah, but I did like
the sequence. I was a little bit just is this
really the best time to be doing this, just because, like,
I don't know, it felt like the wolves were still
kind of on their heels. I guess they got fucked
up pretty well by the infected because in my mind,
I'm like, man, there's so many threats around here, like
the fucking scars could come in here and start dis
disemboweling people. But yeah, I mean, you know, when you're
almost dead, you just go with the passion and you
want it and you want it and they just go
for it. So I liked it. I like that it happened.
I liked how yeah, just the whole sequence. I like
the follow up when they're just kind of chatting and.
Speaker 1: They went away a little longer because you know, I'm
taking out the world word.
Speaker 2: And the clicker thing but still checking a few times.
Speaker 1: You know, imagine you're about you, but I'm so close
and like terrible.
Speaker 2: Terrible going in the kind of Lingi's position and then
just starting turning. That would be a bad place to
get bitten.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I'll do it. You get me next time,
get me next time.
Speaker 2: Like you know, so yeah, yeah, but I did like
just the intensity of you know, we didn't talk about
the chase, but like the bite when she when she
saves her with that, I thought like they could have
handled a little bit better. But but uh, it's it's
it's definitely far from the classic like Prisoner of Azkaban
where it's like give me that guy, I'm gonna fucking
kill him right now. You'll you know, I wait in
in Askaban, like when when Serious Black is trying to
kill Harry. Essentially, it's just like, guys, let's just let's
just talk this out for just like they like, it
never got to the point where I'm like, Dena's actually
gonna shoot her here, but I I it just seemed
like they could have said a couple more things. But
it is just an intense sequence, especially from Dina's perspective,
like this is someone that you clearly clear uh clearly
cares so much about. This whole mission is pretty much
like she's not gonna chase after Abby if she loses
Ellie here, she's just gonna go back to Jackson, I
would imagine unless she's really on a suicide mission. It
just seems like it's already like impossible task. But if
you lose another member, like like if if Diana dies
Abby or not. Fuck if Diana dies, Ellie is still
gonna go after Abbey no matter what, because she's just
that is her suicide mission. But uh, for Dina, I
I don't think it would be the same thing. So
there is just so much motion on like, oh my god,
she's bit I'm gonna have to kill her right here,
like I did like the.
Speaker 1: Build up to it there where you just see Deane
in the background, like like Ellie's just act like she's
closing doors, she's moving chairs, like she's locking the whole
place up. But Dina's just standing there like like shot
like yeah, what do I do here? You know? And
good shot, even though I thought it was a little long.
I like the shot when she woke up and she
had the light up and then she showed the scar
and the light went down. I thought they had the
light on her for a little like too long, because
I'm like, Isabelle's a great actress, like, let me see
her face reacting this whole time. But one of my
favorite I can't remember that this isn't the game or not,
but one of my favorite lines is when Ellie woke
up the water was hitting her and she wakes up,
she started hitting herself, but she's like, no, no, no,
it's just water. It's just a rain. But like it
was Bella's delivery of it. It's just like I was laughing,
not hysterically, but it's just because it is like, yeah,
this person wakes up and there like moving weird. I
just thought it was great comedic timing. But and even
then it felt like, uh but I guess I don't know.
I can't remember how long. I guess Dena's probably seen
enough where she'd think that, Okay, to this point, they
probably should have turned and like you said with ask Man,
like same thing, like all I should be like, hey,
like I got multiple bikes.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's what I mean, Like just show her her
fucking bites like you you have three bites now, just.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's all I try. I will try my
best when we make films not to do that. It's
just like last week, talk about you. When certain characters
are like, oh, Joe's did all this stuff, but I'm
just gonna talk about like faith, and it's like, let'll
talk about how you're locked up in a room for
three months, like that might convince the character more than
like I thought he was a good person. It's like, no,
just say what happened. And the same thing, it's like,
wish I get right. It's hid intense situation. She might
think she's just lying and I did like bellows opening.
And again, I can't remember this specifically parts of the game.
I remember more of the back half like character stuff
coming because I was more recent in my mind. But
when she's like, hey, I would die for you. I
was sacrificing myself, but this was not that. And then
just to explain, so it's like a fun backwards way
of like hey, if I were like I would do it,
but like don't, like in a nice way, don't flatter yourself.
That's all what this was. It was like me like,
I'm saving you, but I knew what I could do
and uh uh and great moment too, when that's it's
like they're both on the ground and Ellie's watching these
clickers trying to get through. But then Dina is kind
of watching them both, like she's watching the clickers, but
she's also watching Ellie of like, fuck, at any moment
is she gonna turn on me? Like because again I
don't know what happens. And there's a bunch of new
clickers now, right, so maybe one's juicier than the next.
But uh, I guess Ali's gonna have to get some
new ink or some new burn marks to hide that
up when she goes back to Jackson, because which you're
just your whole fucking body. Soon she's gonna be like
one big.
Speaker 2: Star that's not gonna joining the Scars.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, But and that whole sequence was good with
the train, like they said, that's right through the flares.
I remember that being like just high at tense and
great scene of you know they're there, they're quiet, which
I loved you. There's some ki like with the wolves
or some side character of like I thought this place
was a clicker free or something like that. I don't know,
I get it because you probably check all the time
if this world ever goes to shit in their zombies
or everything like that. I'm never just gonna assume, Oh yeah,
this dark train station, I thought it was zombie free.
It's like who, Like, you're in a fucking world where
people are back from the dead, like anything could happen now,
bro and the fact that who knows what happened because
there must have been some hole or somewhere because great
scene where they're hearing them and then Dean's like counting,
but then she gets to five and Isabelle again. Great
scene where her faces turns to fear because she knows
that point and oh there's too many to count. There's
not just five, there's this and great scene of them
all particular oh my god, they're going and that train
sequence was again ripped. The video game very fun to
play through, but shot very well, just like you have,
you know, classic game stuff. I feel like Ellie would
have been maybe out of some rounds there, you know,
she felt like she was popping off. Yeah exactly. She
got some cheat codes, but great moment of like they're
popping from the roof, they're popping from the windows from behind.
It was a very well done all round, so great
great great action secrets. I think they needed that because
I feel like I'm fine fat but by fake some
people if they didn't get like a big sequence here
would have been like another slow week. It's like it's
it's a tough thing because, like I think in the
game it works, there's tons of action sequence, right, but
there's so many times where it's just like gotta get
from point any to point B and you take out
some clickers or wolves or whatever, and that gives you
the action. But you can't just like every episode have
like just mindless action for no reason. But then you
also can't have them just like talking. So I think
this was obviously something from the games. But I think
even the stuff with the scars and that whole little
like you said, the sealth sequence and everything, I do
think it's tough. I'm not trying to be the Internet here,
you know, I understand people. Actually, let's say one more
at breaking I'm not the Internet. Let's say an a break,
I'll explain why I'm not the Internet. I'll be right
back and we're back. So I'm not trying to be
the Internet or again, boy shame, I don't want to
bring that up. It's just a situation of because Bella
has talked about this before where there's been complaints that
she doesn't or they don't look like Ellie, because Ellie
in the second Games but not like Abby, but is
older and gets like a bit more physical and whatnot.
She's like, I just can't do that, And maybe that's
the way it is, right, I think in that way,
then they have to adjust certain things. So at one
point she goes at the stairs, there's that soldier looking
for and I don't think this guy's like a big dude,
but compared to Bella, he looks like a fucking massive dude.
Like Bella is a very tiny individual. So when the
scene starts with her like double legging him to the ground,
I'm like, in a scene where.
Speaker 2: He's gonna get a rear naked rear naked choke though, right, Like, but.
Speaker 1: Do you think he's like I think a little person
with Olympic training. Sure, But like all Ellie's been doing
is the punching bag with Jesse, and they established last
week that she's not one hundred percent right she was
and she's like, oh my right side. So I just
wish it's different. If it's like it's a scuffle in
a scene where this guy's gonna already die, why isn't
she just like knife them slice his achilles tend. He's like,
it takes me out for a second when she double
legs them and then gets him in a choke and
he's like, oh my god. It's just like Bella is
a very small individual, so I just for me, and
it'd be different if she's like, oh yeah, these fucking
Bruce Wayne where she trained with the Lega Sava for
five years. Like no, Like she's like, so that's all
I mean, like that's an easy adjustment. Just have her
stab on the leg and then he goes down Like
it's just stuff that I like, do.
Speaker 2: Too, right, like yeah, go crazy stabing the clickers like
she yeh, do it there.
Speaker 1: And I get if he survives because the think, okay,
I gotta keep them alive. But he then a few
seconds later just because it's next slip. So just some
stuff that it took me out for a moment of
just again, bell is very small and this guy Belle
was like up to like his waist and he was
getting fucking thrown around like you know, he she was
the great golly to his raven the undertakers. Yeah, I
was wondering what Yeah, so, but like didn't ruin the
scene for me. Still create scene I got massive, I
have to look up with the phobia, so she look
up right now. I just forget it. But fucking when
they had to climb through the the small cement stuff.
Speaker 2: Claustrophobic.
Speaker 1: No, it's not claustrophobic for me. It's it's the idea
of I've said this before, because they claustrophobic is the
being small to scared, Uh, scared of small places. I'm
not that I'm scared of places where I couldn't be
able to move.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was one and the same, Like
you're just you're just stuck. You're just trapped, like if
you're in an elevator there's one hundred people in there
like that, because it's like you can't move around.
Speaker 1: But like I could be in like a fucking baseball
field over there, and if there was like thousands of
people and I couldn't move, then I'd start to freak out.
Speaker 2: Let me see if there's yeah start biting people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, double, I saw this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just starting off with the uh, well,
I'll start off with where you were going with your
your double leg take down there. I I love just
the whole setting of them getting there, like they best
case scenario, Abbey is in this building, Like that's what
they're thinking when they get in there. Yes, they go
and they're like, well, somebody climbed in there. They cut themselves, Okay,
let's see they they haven't repaired that. I don't know
how long ago that was. And then they find Buddied
with like just borrow mirrored like sixteen plus arrows in him,
like he he took a lot of arrows.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then they're just coming in and like finding like
just the scars what they did to these people, and
they're paying up the pieces and like they have no
idea that this just got called in or anything. So
it again, as someone that hasn't played the game, it
felt like this was like the start of a level.
Like you're just you're you're investigating. You're like, what's that?
And then they have to hide and then they kick
in the room. They're like bad out find these people.
Like that's just that's like the start of a level.
Imagine very video gaming.
Speaker 1: Yeah you find it. I did. Yeah, I'll put it
in the chat here. I don't know how well I
can say the phobia part, but clar Kith rove.
Speaker 2: Clidophobia, but there's an R in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Cliti, I can't go down on you tonight. I'm clinophobiac.
It's see for our listeners, it's c L E I,
T H R O, and then phobia. And even then
it says I'm not gonna click on the whole article,
but it says, uh uh the distinguishing from claustrophobia. For example,
someone with claustrophobia might be anxious entering a small tent,
while someone with cliff or robe with phobia might feel fine.
And that's where I am. So it is tech and
technically the definition is the phobia is rooted in the
Greek word meaning shut or close, described as specific fear
of being trapped or locked in. That's where for me,
and I've always said this before, hopefully my worst endmy
doesn't listen. My way to like dared live would be
the absolute worst for me, because I if I can't move,
oh man. And when I saw that crack there, didn't want.
Speaker 2: That kill bill thing. You know you can get yourself
out there, Yeah, just just do that. Yeah, but yeah,
I know, just starting with that sequence ou of those
fantastic and honestly, like I feel like that was enough
intensity or like suspense for the episode, let alone like
the train sequence, that's just like adding like be infected
as a factor there. So I thought that was really
really well done. Uh it just felt like, man, how
the fuck are they going to get out of the situation,
especially when Ellie kind of gets out of there. But
then Dina is just like underneath the desk, Like there's
so many wolves in that in that sequel with M
six Deans or shoot to kill, like that's their orders.
They're not gonna hear them out or anything.
Speaker 1: So oh yeah, especially in this and be like, oh,
we didn't do this, which you would assume they didn't
do this right, but they could just think they're with
the scars or whatever, like I I guess people do,
but I just feel like you can't take chances of
that situation. You can't, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I I thought that was all really good
at just building up the intensity. And then yeah, when
when they get into that sequence, I thought she was
gonna like knife them like right away, like like kind
of what we were talking about.
Speaker 1: Just because terrible spot though too, like you tell it's gonna.
Speaker 2: Go though, like your your options are so limited, and
that one, Oh, but I just feel like with some.
Speaker 1: Of my kids hide like she just sides against this
wall that's like flat and he doesn't see her. Of course,
Terrible Room. Terrible Job was like, yeah, he just like
goes in the room and just like and it's fine
because like if but he goes room just like kind
of goes diagonal one way or not like to look
like come on, like look around at a little bit.
Speaker 2: He deserved to get ambushed and that's hed. But I
don't know, I was a little bit okay just because
she caught him by surprise, went in and I think
I would have wanted her to kind of fail like
a little bit like she's going for it, just because
I saw her in this season, like episode one, right
when she's boxing or fighting that one dude and like
he's been told to hold his punches and like kind
of go easy on her. So I would have liked
it if like I don't know, she isn't a trained
assassin at this point, so it kind of doesn't go well.
Maybe she gets elbowed in the nose or something and
then she like really has to shoot him in the sequence.
Luckily Dina comes, of course, but I don't know I'm
just hyper detailing that one moment. But from that point
when we get into the train sequence, all of that
was was super super juicy. When when the zombies are
are flooding in or infected, I don't even know if
we call them zombies in this world, but the clickers
and such, they they they come in fuck up all
these wolves and then uh oh, that's what it was
when they go into the train. That's where I'm like, man,
this is so like, I know, you have nowhere else
to go, but like fuck, when you're just in this
train with a bunch of corpses all around you and
the the infector just breaking through the windows like you
were so fucked in that situation. Hopefully there's a way out.
It might just be like completely caved in on the
one side, like just so boxed in.
Speaker 1: So I i' risky move sweat. I would stay to
the open, you know, like I know, you can't run
on the top of the train.
Speaker 2: I thought would be like a good because that's what
they ended up doing. Anyways, they went into the train
and then out of the train. I mean it led
to just some great some some great uh TV watching
for sure, but uh yeah, that was intense, and man,
I will say as someone that hasn't played the game,
like I honestly thought Dina was done in this sequence,
like when she was getting stuck on the on the
gate and like not able to go through just because
like Ellie gets through and then she's kind of like
focusing on like the next step to get out, and
Dina is like still struggling. I was like, man, like,
do not kill Dina right here? Kidding me? Me just
lost joel uh And then yeah, Ellie pulls a quick
one and must have fucking hurt too, Like I know
she's not infected, but just someone like just chopping on
your arm like you're just a cheeseburger. Like, ugh, that
was pretty vicious, and I think Bella really sold the
the pain and agony of what that would feel like
just her her reaction face really got me good. But
uh yeah, I know, like I think both of those
other than like again like the splitting hairs on the takedown,
just because Bella is a very and like all individual
in comparison to the six foot five, big fucking man.
Speaker 1: That's a good word phrase use putting hairs. I'm not
at the end of season gonna give it like, well,
I would have given it a ten, but that devil,
Like No, it was just something the moment where it's like,
how are you gonna do this? And she just fucking
perk angled them. I was like, oh, okay, and maybe
she's got some perks I don't know. Put the mouth
guard in before when he comes into the room, just
doubling all the take the clickers down now choking them out.
Speaker 2: I mean said that would be like, if you're this guy,
you're looking for scars, maybe infected, you can come around
the corner you see Kurt Angle wearing his leotard thrown
in the mouthguard, like I would be even more.
Speaker 1: Olympic metals and everything, just ready to go.
Speaker 2: What was I gonna say? Oh, that's what I was
gonna say, is uh? In that moment, I honestly thought, well,
one thing it was it was weird for her to
be able to get this takedown on him, But I
thought she was gonna go like really extreme, just because
it's kind of been shown a couple of times where
like when Ellie gets angry, like she fucking goes for it,
like episode one when she's like almost breaking that guy's
arm and he's like tapping out and she's just not
doing it. Like I feel like we're you know, I'm
probably gonna be wrong for people to play the games
and whatnot. This is someone that doesn't know. But I
feel like where you get to a point where like
she is extremely extreme, like like probably too far. Well,
I'm not.
Speaker 1: Trying to foreshadow anything, but at the same point, it's
like we haven't talked about this as the last point
that we talk about this episode, where so Diana, you know,
did you know she's pregnant? Did you have an idea?
Speaker 2: I had no idea until it was revealed, so it
was good reveal.
Speaker 1: Okay, so but I we'll talk more about that. But
you get to point this end of this episode. They
literally looked this building. There's gun fire all around. They
went through, everything went through and he's like, well, don't
know if you should because things have changed, and Deana's like, yeah,
well I'm good to go. It's like I understand, like
already you see the act of like aggression or revenge,
vengeance wherever we want to say taking over be cause
you feel like at that point it has changed and
they just talked about this whole life. They could have
together as I'm gonna be a dad and you know,
Deane's like, oh, all everyone was to be with you.
I'm happy we finally talked about this stuf about you
and being a kid or you with a kid, and
she asked, Elliot, is that something you'd want? She go
some with you. So it's like everything's kind of obviously
not perfect in this world, but it's like everything's much
happier than it could be. But then it's like yeah,
but uh, let's go fucking kill these people. It's kind
of like that should be the sign like no, like
that should be the realization where we go, you know what,
We've gone so close, like that train right there, being
pregnant now admitting your love to one another and then
seeing what's out there. It's like that should be the
moment where you go, Okay, we should turn around. There
should have better things. But they both don't. It's like, well,
like if you you know, we just talked about you.
It's like usually there's a reckoning for characters that make
these choices, right, It's just like it's just bad ship
is a foot where that's a clear sign of like
turn back, now go Because she's even telling Dina like, oh,
I don't know if you should go, but it's like, yeah,
but Dina's it's not like they haven't kissed her, made
love at this point, like they're you know, they seem
like they're, you know, locked way to go being a relationships.
So she wants to be with you now. So it's like,
maybe you should both get out of here. But no,
you know, you haven't learned from that. You haven't learned
from the Joel situation, right, It's too too much going
on there. So and I think to your point of
that guy, I feel like if they had some time,
she would have fucking had her way at that guy.
They were in a rush, so I think anytime Ellie
is like the guard guy when he said, oh she
killed him quickly, Oh yeah, have her way with it,
I'm like, you know, like that guy, I'm like, if
they knew they were in the clear, smash his face
and I'm sure, yeah, exactly, they'd be using them for
a dinner. But uh uh, yeah, they go to Obviously
the last episode she had thrown up, and I was
wondering when we're gonna get that revealed. But yes, I
have the game. Same thing as Jesse. I'd asked em
and she said that because I swear last week they
said something that made it sound like her she was
with Jesse again. But I was like, no, I think
they just said that they slept together again. So I
was like, oh, okay, because, like I said in the game,
Ellie and Dina were a couple at this point, she
had still slewt with Jesse. But it's like a very
kind of like it's not a prople. But even then
Ellie's which I liked in the game, and I like, here,
it's not like a oh my god, what we're gonna do.
It's not this super dramatic situation, right because like they're
both it's kind of perfect because Jesse's a good guy.
They're both friends with him. Jesse already knows that Dina
is like at least attracted to Ellie. Right, And in
this world where Dena' is like, oh, I always want
to have kids with you, well you'd still you know,
there's no other I don't think they have any working
hospitals where someone can just go in a room with
the cup, right. So it's like if anyone's gonna be
the guy that would have one of them, pregnant should
be Jesse. So I liked that they've carried that over
the game. That's not this dramatic thing of like oh
my god. And then even the way Dina was reacting,
it's like, okay, then clearly they maybe just slept together.
It wasn't like I don't know, I'm gonna tell Jesse.
It's like, oh yeah, he's a good guy, and like
it was very nonchalant. Even then, like when they slept together,
I was like, oh, I don't want drama of like
how do you cheat on me?
Speaker 2: Jesse?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm happy that it's like, oh no, like
we'll figure it out. And even I was like, oh yeah,
it's gonna be the three of us. It's like okay,
that's very much like the games were, Okay, cool, They're
just gonna figure it out together because I don't want that.
We've got enough drama show. I don't need the like
who's baby, who's gonna raise It's like no, like they're
all friends figured out. So I like that conversation reveal
a lot.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean just rewatching it, like it just
in my mind, I feel like it. I was sold
on it pretty easily, just just because I like, I
just watch episode one this morning, so and like when
they're talking about uh Dina and Jesse, it seems like
they're really freshly broken up, like pretty much like within
the last two weeks, Like Max I would say, I
can't remember if they say a specific day, but that's
just the vibe of it. So yeah, it I totally
believe that, like she would have been pregnant from that instance,
because like she would have just been late on that
term of her Well.
Speaker 1: No, they got together again because remember they did a
three month jump between Joel and that. Oh, so they
just had some cash. That's why I had to ask Emily,
because if they didn't do the jump, I was like, okay,
that makes sense, because I'm pretty sure I could be wrong.
People correct me. I'm pretty sure in the game that's
how it happens. Where they were together, they break up
because they kind of figure out, like you know, like
Jesse even the show is like he reads the writing
on the wall, like Okay, she's clear in the alley.
Their situation is not like a big deal, right, And
that's where Okay, it's the unfortunate thing of you know,
I realize she likes this chick, go do whatever, and
it's like, oh fuck, I'm pregnant. And like I said,
it's not dramatic, just like, oh the timing of it
right where this definitely was. They've just you know whatever,
had something casual going on and whatever. There's not many
especially after the last attack of Jackson. You're losing candidates
as you know, time goes on, there's not many people.
You know. That's I feel like I've got sexual chemistry
with somebody. And they even mentioned that show they've kind
of been on and off again multiple times. So yeah,
the three month jump just I guess they had a
one nighter and they you know, either didn't use protection
or Jesse didn't have the pole game on point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't think that's your concern in this world. Honestly,
I feel like you don't want to repopulate. I feel
like you kind of want to. I guess they do
talk about the population of the town being maxed out,
but after that battle they probably took some everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't they weren't even this fuck. It wasn't
even a one nighter. It's again, they all got to
sign like go find somebody. But it's like the quiet
place thing, right, Like obviously they have Jackson, but it's
like you do want to repopulate. But at the same time,
it's like being pregnant in this world has to be
the worst thing, right because I think about think about
like the next town attack, and you're pregnant and you're
having to move while you have like a possibly anywhere
from five to ten things you like. So that's where
it's like you do, but like it's also the worst.
It's the best case and worst case to be so
but and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just raising a child and that pretty depressed.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's pregnant. You have to see how that
goes on and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I thought it's a really interesting factor.
I love the scene when she tells Ellie. Uh just yeah,
it's I just feel like it's such a cliche of like,
oh my god, how are we going to tell him
or something like that, but like they didn't do that
at all, and as you've kind of already laid out,
it just it fits for what's going on in this
world and what we've been shown with these characters, including Jesse.
I just don't know. I just liked Bella, like she's
I just feel like she sold the or sorry, they
sold that sequence really well of just like I'm gonna
be a parent, You're gonna parents, like oh, Jesse too,
like the three of us. Yeah, It's just it just
seemed very natural, and I'm very intrigued on how this
is gonna be just this factor going forwardast the season
and show.
Speaker 1: I just have to accept it because other than like
some very unsafe ways, like abortion is not on the
table in this world. I matched like, obviously if you
find that pharma, seeing someone happens to have like a
morning afterpill, great, but it's like, I'm assuming those aren't,
like maybe there's someone in training for that, like, oh,
I'll give you these shoes if you want something these pills,
Like I'm sure there is, but you remember, there's like
no pharmaceutical companies, so I feel like they're expired and
they're you know, probably few and far in between.
Speaker 2: So yeah, except for maybe Abby's dad was a big
abortion doctor, and then you know, we can't use that
guy anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm supposific. I specialized in life saving cures and abortions.
I know that seems weird because one save life one
second way, but trust me, I'm a doctor, all right.
Speaker 2: On undred percent success. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's some poor person that was all next day
after elegant an abortion, and Joel's fucking just killing that
Child's just pissed up the whole time. I was supposed
to be aborted, and I.
Speaker 2: Have to live in this fucking world.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be here. Okay, go a heaven.
All right, let's let's move on. I'm pro choice, by
the way.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. I'm not sure what's gonna
happen because I feel like next week could be a
prime spot for that one off, Like like if we're
getting a flashback episode, I just don't feel like it'd
be the penultimate episode. I feel like that'd be kind
of weird. So I feel like next week could be
a a flashback episode and then also makes sense of
Joel's in that episode. We've had two weeks without Pedro,
so it kind of makes you miss and the like,
oh look it's Pedro.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen here.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's tough, But like I said, that's a that's
a tough thing with them saying this. This season is
split up into at least two maybe three seasons, right,
So I'm not. I don't think you will never see Abby,
but I could see a situation where you only see
Abby for maybe like one scene, for the rest of
the season, like they could.
Speaker 2: She could just be go on, you know, I just
picture the the Infinity War scene. You took everything from me.
I don't even know who you are. She just doesn't
even remember Ellie, with which she finally means her, it's been.
Speaker 1: It's been three months. I'm on other things. I'm dealing
with the scars now.
Speaker 2: But she's caught the fucking the joker.
Speaker 1: I kill you. I don't know you. All right, we'll
be back next week and it won't be warm. If
I can hit the end stream, there we go, My god,