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Speaker 4: How's it gone?
Speaker 2: It's going all right. I'm out and about and bigfoots
Speaker 2: are out and about. Really cool stuff has been going on.
Speaker 2: I mean I've done two sightings investigations. I had a
Speaker 2: track find and that is all in the last week. No,
Speaker 2: I take that back. One of the sightings was a
Speaker 2: week a week ago Friday, so nine days ago. The
Speaker 2: one on Friday was over at Promontory Park and I
Speaker 2: haven't written about that one yet on the blog. And
Speaker 2: that was a lot of fun. Actually I might even
Speaker 2: make a video out of that one because it was
Speaker 2: so much fun. But someone saw a couple of guys
Speaker 2: actually saw one over at Promontory Park Friday night, right
Speaker 2: the on July third, like the campground was full and everything,
Speaker 2: but like that area where it was, I guess he
Speaker 2: was probably just tell the story about it real fast.
Speaker 2: If we have the time. I know we have a
Speaker 2: Q and a to do today, but there's always big
Speaker 2: foot stuff to talk about. Sure, yeah, so these two
Speaker 2: guys are I think there were two guys that they're
Speaker 2: camping in Promontory Park. There's like a campground there, you know.
Speaker 2: They they kind of dam up the Qlacamus River so
Speaker 2: it forms a lake at that point. I think it's
Speaker 2: Faurday Lake if I remember right, but Uhday, I think
Speaker 2: that's what is Faraday fa r A d A y.
Speaker 2: I think, oh yeah, something like that. Well, these I
Speaker 2: guess about nine in the evening, and mind you, this
Speaker 2: is the Pacific Northwest, and it's not that far right
Speaker 2: now from the summer solstice, so it's still pretty light
Speaker 2: at that point. This guy was sitting over at a
Speaker 2: dock because you know, it's like right there in the water.
Speaker 2: It's sitting on a dock at nine, so it's pretty dusky.
Speaker 2: And I guess the deal is he saw something that
Speaker 2: appeared to be on two legs across the river, and
Speaker 2: of course it's a lake at this point. It's not
Speaker 2: a real big lake, but it's one hundred yards two
Speaker 2: hundred yards across, probably probably one hundred and fiftywo hundred
Speaker 2: yards something like that, and up up I guess downstream
Speaker 2: from him really thinking about it, is something came down
Speaker 2: off the opposing slope. Now, the opposing slope is very
Speaker 2: steep for most of it, and there aren't really any
Speaker 2: roads up there at all. Like I'm on top of
Speaker 2: the mesas sort of thing. I guess it kind of is.
Speaker 2: You know, although Mace is strictly a desert formation, so
Speaker 2: on top of the hill or the mountain or whatever,
Speaker 2: there's there's some roads and up there, but really not
Speaker 2: that many at all. It feel a free to look
Speaker 2: at Google, Google Earth or Google Maps or whatever or
Speaker 2: the mapping software of your choice and look across from
Speaker 2: a promontory park there and you're going to see that
Speaker 2: there's not a lot going on up there. So anyway,
Speaker 2: this two legged thing comes down in one of the draws,
Speaker 2: because you know, water does seep down there, and it's
Speaker 2: over the decades and millennia. It's kind of cut a
Speaker 2: little you know, V shape thing. So something comes out
Speaker 2: of a brushy V shaped little valley deal and goes
Speaker 2: in the water, and I think the guy said it
Speaker 2: floated or something like. Basically it went downstream a little
Speaker 2: bit and then got back out of the water, and
Speaker 2: he goes, well, that was weird because and he knows
Speaker 2: darn well that like there's nothing over there. There's no
Speaker 2: reason for people to be over there, that there are
Speaker 2: no boats over there docked or anything. Not that you
Speaker 2: could there's no docks, but like you can't pull over there, right.
Speaker 2: He goes, well, that that was really weird and just
Speaker 2: kind of like put it to bed, and so he was.
Speaker 2: Later on, he was camping just a few hours later.
Speaker 2: This is like at twelve forty five, maybe one o'clock
Speaker 2: in the morning, somewhere in that zone. He's in his campsite,
Speaker 2: and it's just like a regular campground, you know, fire
Speaker 2: pits and bathrooms, there's a fish cleaning station and all. Yeah,
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and it's sold out. It's
Speaker 2: fourth of July weekend at about twelve forty five. They're
Speaker 2: hanging out by the like he his buddy or hanging
Speaker 2: out by the fire, I guess, and he sees he
Speaker 2: looks across the road and of course right across the
Speaker 2: road there's another campsite, obviously, but on the other side
Speaker 2: of that camp site is the fish cleaning station up
Speaker 2: on a little hill and we're talking like fifty feet
Speaker 2: behind this other campsite, and you can see it because
Speaker 2: there's a bathroom there and there's a light there or whatever.
Speaker 2: And something catches his eye, and apparently what he sees
Speaker 2: is a very large man sort of thing walking from
Speaker 2: left to right away from the fish cleaning station. And
Speaker 2: he says, oh, there it is again, you know, and
Speaker 2: her he ran out and tried to see it again. Okay,
Speaker 2: the fish cleaning station. I've been there. I did the investigation.
Speaker 2: The fish cleaning station has it's like a little i guess,
Speaker 2: like a roof like structure, and then underneath the roof
Speaker 2: like structure is a sink, you know, and that kind
Speaker 2: of thing the cleaner fish and the guts go away
Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff. But the eaves of
Speaker 2: the roof are about seven and a half eight feet tall.
Speaker 2: I was right there next to it. Keith, who's much
Speaker 2: taller than I. He estimated it about eight feet tall,
Speaker 2: you know, that kind of thing. And whatever this thing was,
Speaker 2: the head of it was even to the eaves or
Speaker 2: slightly taller than the eaves and walking from left to right. Now,
Speaker 2: this is the weird thing. This is the weird thing.
Speaker 2: He said that it looked like it was wearing like
Speaker 2: a slicker, like a yellow jacket or something like that.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, how could that be that, you know,
Speaker 2: that's totally weird. But it was too big to be
Speaker 2: a person. So I don't really think sasquatches going on
Speaker 2: wearing clothes very often. But that's what he said. And
Speaker 2: he was reluctant, No, no, no, it wasn't raining, beautiful weather,
Speaker 2: but it was. He was reluctant to tell. I guess
Speaker 2: I wasn't there when he reported it. Keith and Jill
Speaker 2: were working the shop. I was not in the shop
Speaker 2: at the time, but he said I was. Didn't want
Speaker 2: to tell you, guys because you'd think I'm crazy, But
Speaker 2: it looked like it was wearing like a yellow slicker
Speaker 2: or something like that. So well, that's weird. And I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, I know that sometimes apes actually
Speaker 2: throw some clothes on or whatever, but I don't think
Speaker 2: that's the case. And I think it's probably a play
Speaker 2: of light or And mind you, it was fairly dark.
Speaker 2: There is a light on the bathroom not far from there,
Speaker 2: but it is a good distance away at night. I
Speaker 2: don't know if the guys were drinking or anything like that.
Speaker 2: You know, who knows what they could have been doing,
Speaker 2: who knows, But I assume it's just some sort of
Speaker 2: play of the light as the thing ran off, but
Speaker 2: the size of the figure strongly suggests sasquatch. Right, So
Speaker 2: he ran out into the road, and he couldn't run
Speaker 2: right over there because of the campsite, so he veered
Speaker 2: over to the right and tried to see it again,
Speaker 2: and he never saw it again. And that's basically all
Speaker 2: we got. So we got something that sounded pretty decent,
Speaker 2: you know, pretty good because I know the area pretty well,
Speaker 2: and there's there should be nobody across the river. So
Speaker 2: whatever they saw about nine pint forty five was probably
Speaker 2: his sasquatch. I don't see you have any reason to
Speaker 2: doubt it. And then of course this saying in the
Speaker 2: campground wearing a yellow slicker. I mean it was nighttime.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you'd be able to see yellow very well.
Speaker 2: There's also a possibility because I have not gone there
Speaker 2: at night. Maybe just an illusion because of the type
Speaker 2: of bulb that was. Maybe it's some sort of like
Speaker 2: mercury bulb or something that has a yellow tinge. I
Speaker 2: don't really know, but yeah, this is just one of
Speaker 2: those where the guy saw something unusual, but I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. I suspect it's probably again, probably
Speaker 2: just a play of light, because I can see that,
Speaker 2: like if the Sasquatches, if even saw a Sasquatch, I
Speaker 2: don't even know, you know, who knows, maybe the Bigfoot
Speaker 2: on the brain after seeing the first one or the
Speaker 2: one earlier in the night. I have no idea at all.
Speaker 2: So I went out there with Keith the next day. Actually, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not true. He saw it Friday. He reported it
Speaker 2: to us on Tuesday. I guess his buddy was encouraging,
Speaker 2: was you just tell him, just tell him. Not every
Speaker 2: gonna think I'm crazy, just tell him. So he finally
Speaker 2: came in and told us, and we wrote down the
Speaker 2: details and I got a text at the time. And
Speaker 2: so the next day Keith and I went out there
Speaker 2: and I said, well, screw it, man, let's just go.
Speaker 2: Let's just go to the like the little building where
Speaker 2: you can, you know, rent campsites and all that. Sid
Speaker 2: I just walked in and talked to the campground house like, hey,
Speaker 2: my name's Cliff, and I owned that Bigfoot museum over there.
Speaker 2: And someone told me they saw they maybe saw a sasquatch,
Speaker 2: and the lady didn't blame She goes, oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we heard about that. It is oh cool, cool. Would
Speaker 2: you mind if I go and park and go look
Speaker 2: around and say no, no, that'd be great. And then
Speaker 2: she brought a map out and showed me where the
Speaker 2: fish cleaning station was, and I told her what I knew,
Speaker 2: and she goes, oh, we kind of assumed it was
Speaker 2: over here in this area, but you're telling me those
Speaker 2: over here. I guess I had better information because they
Speaker 2: were just kind of guessing where things might have been.
Speaker 2: And so we went and looked around, and I can't
Speaker 2: say we found anything we can hang our hat on.
Speaker 2: And of course they saw it on Friday, and they
Speaker 2: had the entire Fourth of July weekend in between what
Speaker 2: they sold out campsite, so I didn't expect to find anything.
Speaker 2: But despite of that, I did actually find a few
Speaker 2: things that maybe were footprints, because I decided, since the
Speaker 2: campground was totally sold out, that the best avenue if
Speaker 2: I was going to find anything at all, would not
Speaker 2: be to look on the pathway where the guy saw
Speaker 2: it move, since he did not see it immediately after
Speaker 2: the episode at the fish cleaning station, and I know
Speaker 2: the direction that it went. I looked in the thickest
Speaker 2: brush I could find in that direction. Actually, there was
Speaker 2: some pretty good brush in that area, and I found
Speaker 2: some things that maybe maybe we're footprints. Maybe it's really
Speaker 2: hard to say, really hard to say, but yeah, so
Speaker 2: nothing I could really hang our hats on, you know.
Speaker 2: And then of course after that, Keith and I were
Speaker 2: we went back to the dock and go, well, how
Speaker 2: are we going to get across the river? Man? I mean,
Speaker 2: it's a long ways.
Speaker 4: What are we going to do?
Speaker 2: And so I had this bright idea, well, let's go
Speaker 2: over to the marina, because there's a marina in the
Speaker 2: lake there, and let's just see if maybe a fisherman
Speaker 2: or you know, somebody renting a pontoon boat is coming
Speaker 2: back in and maybe we can thumb a ride. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, we're worth a shot, right, didn't seem like
Speaker 2: anybody was coming in. We waited around for about twenty
Speaker 2: minutes and just we didn't. We didn't. We didn't think
Speaker 2: that was very hopeful. So we went into the shop
Speaker 2: there and and we went up to the guy at
Speaker 2: the desk and go like, hey, someone said, they may
Speaker 2: have seen a sasquatch and we're hoping to rent a canoe.
Speaker 2: I know, kayaks for forty bucks an hour. What would
Speaker 2: you give us a canoe for if we're going to
Speaker 2: do a bigfoot investigation? And the guy laughed or whatever,
Speaker 2: and he he said that They said, I'll give it
Speaker 2: to you for thirty bucks sold. You know, because I
Speaker 2: have a museum, and renting a kayak for a sasquatch
Speaker 2: investigation in my life is tax deductible. So I went
Speaker 2: ahead and paid for it, and Keith and I zipped
Speaker 2: across the river to where the guy saw it, because
Speaker 2: there's only one spot because like I said, it's pretty
Speaker 2: much a sheer cliff the entire way except for this
Speaker 2: one draw in the vicinity where he said he saw it.
Speaker 2: So he went over there, and you know, I found
Speaker 2: sign of deer and stuff going up down, But there
Speaker 2: was one thing, one thing at the very edge of
Speaker 2: the water that kind of looked like a footprint, but
Speaker 2: it did look like it was getting back onto shore.
Speaker 2: And based on the story, that's not where I would
Speaker 2: imagine it would have happened. But you know, I didn't
Speaker 2: see the sasquatch, do it or whatever. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: I got to go boating the other day. That was
Speaker 2: kind of a fun, unexpected side side quest on my
Speaker 2: journey there. That was pretty cool, and I filmed it all.
Speaker 2: So I'm thinking I might piece that together into a
Speaker 2: museum video this month. I'm not really sure what I'm
Speaker 2: gonna do yet, but that would be a good one
Speaker 2: because it was just so much fun and so unexpected.
Speaker 4: That was an interesting lenke. I was just looking at
Speaker 4: it on the aerial. Is that long chat it is?
Speaker 4: I gets some kind of electricity production site.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, the dam at the end, I think
Speaker 2: it has a power generator in it or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's got that like that long chatle,
Speaker 4: like those parallel of the river for quite a way
Speaker 4: is well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, below that, below the dam, that's where Esticata Lake is.
Speaker 2: And when we filmed one of the episodes here, we literally,
Speaker 2: you guys literally did an investigation at Esticada Lake. Yeah,
Speaker 2: numerous reports out of that one spot as well. So
Speaker 2: and of course up on top of that hill that
Speaker 2: in that general direction, that's where Memoloose circles around. That's
Speaker 2: where Hillockburn Road, and like there's all these little nooks
Speaker 2: and crannies up in there where. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: historical sighting reports up in that general area. South Fork
Speaker 2: of the Klacamus is an excellent location that used to
Speaker 2: be the water source for Oregon City, so there's all
Speaker 2: these tunnels and cool infrastructure things back in there if
Speaker 2: you have a way to get on that side. But
Speaker 2: that's the trick. Do you have a way to get
Speaker 2: on that side of the river. That's why if the
Speaker 2: guy saw some somebody walking around, is something on two
Speaker 2: legs walking around, it's a ninety percent chance it's a
Speaker 2: sasquatch because or ninety nine percent because there just really
Speaker 2: isn't any way to get over there. For the most part,
Speaker 2: stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bogo will be right back after these messages. Of course,
Speaker 2: that the high Rocks siding might talked about that one,
Speaker 2: or I wrote about that one on the NABC blog.
Speaker 2: Those might have been tracks the pictures I put up.
Speaker 2: I don't really know. The area is really good. And
Speaker 2: then of course I went out on Tuesday. I found
Speaker 2: a sasquatch track out there, and I'm pretty sure. I'm
Speaker 2: about eighty percent sure, maybe ninety percent by now that
Speaker 2: it is a known individual that I cast last year,
Speaker 2: not fifty yards away from where I found it this year,
Speaker 2: but about a month before is al So I.
Speaker 4: Was listening to the new members only one for Sasquatch Chronicles,
Speaker 4: and it was a dude that grew up in Sandy
Speaker 4: that had a bunch of stuff happened in the seventies
Speaker 4: and eighties.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. And I've got
Speaker 2: some reports out of Tickle Creek in the eighties. Tickle
Speaker 2: Creek is there's a real, real popular like hiking, sort
Speaker 2: of parky sort of trail.
Speaker 4: In fact.
Speaker 2: I oh, that's another thing. I spoke at the Sandy
Speaker 2: Mountain Festival this past weekend on Saturday as well, like
Speaker 2: the local you know, the beer garden, vendor, community parade
Speaker 2: festival thing. Was talking, Oh I did, they didn't just
Speaker 2: me talking. I wish I had a slide show. I
Speaker 2: think those are cooler. But I brought a bunch of
Speaker 2: casts and you know, and talked about stuff and let
Speaker 2: them did a show and tell sort of thing, you know, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: But it was nice because I like doing the local
Speaker 2: stuff because that we have a much higher possibility of
Speaker 2: getting their boots in the door than if I did
Speaker 2: a gig in like you know, Florida or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, that got that saw. I wanted to say.
Speaker 4: One of the interesting things he reported was they saw
Speaker 4: big male that had one of the hands that had
Speaker 4: white like the back of the hand was all white hair.
Speaker 4: So he's wondered that anyone else had reported seeing a
Speaker 4: white handed squash, like a big one like nine plus foot.
Speaker 2: No, I've never heard it. Just the hand was white.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the hand.
Speaker 2: No, I've never heard that before. We do have reports
Speaker 2: of a white one actually back in about I want
Speaker 2: to say nineteen ninety. I think it was about nineteen ninety,
Speaker 2: give or take a couple of years if I remember correctly.
Speaker 2: There's a place out here called a Guide Dogs for
Speaker 2: the Blind. They train guide dogs for the blind. You know,
Speaker 2: it's all the name. And before the property owner who
Speaker 2: owned it, before they bought it and turned it into
Speaker 2: a commercial facility, there were two sidings on that guy's
Speaker 2: property over a period of a couple months back in
Speaker 2: I think around ninety ninety or ninety one. I remember
Speaker 2: he told this. We have it written down at the shop,
Speaker 2: but I'm not at the shop right now. So I
Speaker 2: remember him saying that it was a really bad snow year,
Speaker 2: and I think, if I remember right, I think one
Speaker 2: of the Sasquatches, or maybe the same one that came back.
Speaker 2: I don't remember. It was a light colored one that
Speaker 2: he described as almost white. So if I remember right, yeah,
Speaker 2: let's way. I grew up with like four hundred acres
Speaker 2: and actually a BMX track sits still there is really
Speaker 2: a BMX track. I don't know where that is. We're
Speaker 2: motocross Maybe wouldn't be too surprising. And you know, I
Speaker 2: remember when I first moved into this house, I was
Speaker 2: getting some electrical work done and two twenty. Like I
Speaker 2: can do the one ten stuff, it doesn't it scares me,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I've done it, you know, But the two
Speaker 2: twenty stuff, I screw that. I don't want to deal
Speaker 2: with that, so I bring in electricians for that. And
Speaker 2: I was getting like when I first moved in, I
Speaker 2: was doing the two twenty stuff out in the outbuilding
Speaker 2: and the guy came over. He was a licensed electrician
Speaker 2: and his son who was his apprentice, and his son
Speaker 2: was about twenty two at the time. And this must
Speaker 2: have been in twenty seventeen. He, you know, hanging out
Speaker 2: with me. It doesn't take very long before we started
Speaker 2: talking about sasquatches somehow. So he told me that he
Speaker 2: saw a sasquatch a little bit south of town, then
Speaker 2: a little bit uh west too on logging land company,
Speaker 2: but not like logging like Warehous your land. It was
Speaker 2: actually the Boring Logging Company or something like that. I
Speaker 2: think that was the name of the company where one
Speaker 2: of those places where I think they store the logs
Speaker 2: and all that, or it's outside of Boring Oregan. He
Speaker 2: and his buddies, I guess were trespassing. They're like when
Speaker 2: they were like sixteen or something like that, trespassing and
Speaker 2: probably drinking some beer or something. I don't know what
Speaker 2: they're doing. But he said that he saw a sasquatch
Speaker 2: over there, which is pretty far in, a lot further
Speaker 2: in than most people would think. But you know, I
Speaker 2: mean for you and I or whatever, we've done investigations
Speaker 2: literally all over the world. Just because they're in close
Speaker 2: doesn't mean they didn't see one. I mean, I'll go
Speaker 2: back to my analogy again. The vast majority of fishermen
Speaker 2: cast past the fish, and I think that's true. Of
Speaker 2: sasquatch researchers too. Yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, because they're
Speaker 2: right here.
Speaker 4: Well, Bart drives up to Washington a couple of times,
Speaker 4: You're like three times a year Sierra's and then there's
Speaker 4: all these stuff popping up just right you said him,
Speaker 4: like twenty minutes thirty minutes away. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you're everybody loves to go to the Olympics,
Speaker 2: I get that. You know, everybody loves to go to
Speaker 2: Bluff Creek, I get that too. But if you're if
Speaker 2: that's the only time. I'm not not saying this about Bart.
Speaker 2: You know, Bart does go out in his local woods.
Speaker 2: But if the only time you go bigfooting is when
Speaker 2: you drive six to twelve hours, you should you should
Speaker 2: think again, there's probably sound squatches closer.
Speaker 4: To that, unless you're like in Central Nevada. Definitely something closer.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but almost nobody lives in Central Nevada right exactly,
Speaker 2: probably because there's no big foots there who would want
Speaker 2: to live there unless you're into UFOs, in which case,
Speaker 2: go get them.
Speaker 4: So we got question and answers. I guess rock in today.
Speaker 2: Rumor has it what we got through?
Speaker 3: It got quite a few that came in, and so
Speaker 3: I will alternate. We only got a couple of voicemails
Speaker 3: for this one, so let's start with a written submission,
Speaker 3: and it's in the chat now.
Speaker 4: Carter L. Hey, guys, love the podcast. Do you think
Speaker 4: squatches will ever be comfortable enough to communicate with humans
Speaker 4: directly or to get closer with their hairless cousins us?
Speaker 4: Probably not as a species, but there's been an individual
Speaker 4: accounts of people getting like some kind of relationshipulate that
Speaker 4: they live you know, they live by and like they
Speaker 4: come on their property and putting out food and stuff
Speaker 4: like that, they exchange gifts that I don't know about
Speaker 4: full communication, it seems it's possible. You know, we'll see
Speaker 4: what happens, no doubt it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think whatever interactions are going to be there are
Speaker 2: going to be about the same level as what you'd
Speaker 2: maybe get out of a bear or an elk or
Speaker 2: some other like wildlife. And of course I know sasquatches
Speaker 2: are probably smarter than bears and elk and certainly elk
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff, But I think that
Speaker 2: these things are wild animals whatever they are, and no
Speaker 2: matter how human like you think personally that you think
Speaker 2: these things are. They're essentially wild animals that are living
Speaker 2: out there. They don't want anything to do with us.
Speaker 2: They don't understand us. We probably scare them quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Sometimes. I mean they come in and interact all the
Speaker 4: time with campers and you know, people working out in
Speaker 4: the wo was They they don't just avoid us at
Speaker 4: all costs. They definitely interact I think for their entertainment
Speaker 4: at times. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The question specifically does say communicate though, And that's where
Speaker 2: that's what trips me up. You know, you can develop
Speaker 2: something of a relationship with them, just like my wife
Speaker 2: develops something of a relationship with the whole flock of
Speaker 2: squirrels recently, you know. But that's a different thing. But
Speaker 2: when it comes to communicate, like, I don't, I just
Speaker 2: don't see that. I just any more than like people
Speaker 2: living in you know, Simatra might have orangutans in their neighborhood,
Speaker 2: you know, or people in Western Africa having chimpanzees around.
Speaker 2: You kind of don't want them around, you know. The
Speaker 2: I think scrolls are pessed, But can you imagine a
Speaker 2: sasquatch that won't go away?
Speaker 4: Awesome?
Speaker 2: It'd be awesome for me, I think it would scare
Speaker 2: the hell out of Melissa though. Oh yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 2: also you'd probably scare me eventually too.
Speaker 4: It'd be awesome, though you still have to be that scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about that one lady who's lived on the
Speaker 2: Hooper reds like feeding them Big Max for a while.
Speaker 2: She kind of regret it, didn't she when all, oh,
Speaker 2: I thought it was a hooper res my mistake.
Speaker 4: No, it's Quinnell. Yeah. It tore down her lights when
Speaker 4: she didn't bring back big Match. They also they could
Speaker 4: smell they had brought back that they were kind of
Speaker 4: short on mind, so they didn't want to buy Big
Speaker 4: Max for the big foot that just came back, and
Speaker 4: they could smell the McDonald's and scream and palette on
Speaker 4: the house and broke the lights outside, and you know
Speaker 4: it just cause problems. Like she said, they got pretty
Speaker 4: upset and they didn't bring back big Macs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm worried about the squirrels like digging holes under
Speaker 2: my chimney and like, but you know, you don't give
Speaker 2: a sasquatch a big Mac is going to tear down
Speaker 2: the chimney. Yeah, I just I don't personally see that
Speaker 2: happening because I don't think it happens very much.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people live in these rural properties and they're aware
Speaker 2: of the sasquatches, and certainly the sasquatches are generally aware
Speaker 2: of them. I would imagine when they come to some
Speaker 2: sort of live and let live sort of attitude. You
Speaker 2: see it all the time on reservations, for example, they're
Speaker 2: both aware of each other and they both leave each
Speaker 2: other alone. I think that that sort of relationship is reasonable.
Speaker 2: But as far as communicating with the humans, I'm not
Speaker 2: so sure sasquatches would have much to say to us.
Speaker 2: That's just me though. That's just my opinion. Who knows
Speaker 2: who knows? But so I don't know that that's your
Speaker 2: question there. That's your ohl aster answer, at least from
Speaker 2: my side. Carter Whew, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Speaker 2: Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after
Speaker 2: these messages. Okay, this is from John Hall and he asks,
Speaker 2: now that you have doctor Meldrum's collection, do you plan
Speaker 2: on releasing any of that information in a book. You
Speaker 2: did a great job at the Florida conference. Keep up
Speaker 2: the great work, Cliff, Bobo and Mountain Matt Oh Mom.
Speaker 3: John is the first sasquatch researcher I ever met in
Speaker 3: person went out in the field with I'd been doing
Speaker 3: it on my own for a couple of years at
Speaker 3: that point and dragging friends out along with me. But
Speaker 3: I'd reached out to so many people with no responses,
Speaker 3: and eventually reached out to Mary Green up in Tennessee
Speaker 3: and it said, Hey, you know I'm in Georgia. Do
Speaker 3: you happen to know anyone else in the Southeast? And
Speaker 3: she was like, oh, I know someone in Georgia. I'll
Speaker 3: connect you with him. And that was John. And so
Speaker 3: that must have been like twenty one years ago now.
Speaker 3: So I've had a lot of adventures with John. I've
Speaker 3: known him the longest of anybody I've known involved with sasquatry.
Speaker 3: And so he's a good dude and told me he
Speaker 3: really enjoyed your presentation there in Florida.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I do plan on releasing some stuff in
Speaker 2: book format. A few months ago I kind of started
Speaker 2: sitting down to start plucking away at the keyboard and
Speaker 2: get things done. And what I quickly found out by
Speaker 2: organizing my thoughts, which is still an ongoing challenge, I guess,
Speaker 2: is a good way to say it is that I
Speaker 2: sat down to write a book, and it turned out
Speaker 2: that one or two days into this, it seemed that
Speaker 2: I was writing several books because a lot of the
Speaker 2: stuff that I'm putting together doesn't seem like it belongs
Speaker 2: with the other stuff. I'm not there yet. I will,
Speaker 2: I intend if I live long enough, I intend to
Speaker 2: write books. Okay, that's one hundred percent yes. But at
Speaker 2: this point, I started writing about that handprint on the
Speaker 2: roof back in twenty seventeen at our friend Mike's property.
Speaker 2: So I thought, well, that's an interesting thing, and that
Speaker 2: that you know, that's that's a cool find or whatever,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't know about that and stuff.
Speaker 2: So and I've got cool pictures and I think, you know,
Speaker 2: it's real, and so I started, you know, plucking with
Speaker 2: that and stuff. And then I started writing this other thing,
Speaker 2: and I realized pretty quickly that I'm writing about various topics.
Speaker 2: So I've started realizing I think I'm going to have
Speaker 2: to write several books, and that that's where I've kind
Speaker 2: of settled at this point. I think this could change.
Speaker 2: As literally talking to Daniel Perez yesterday and he says,
Speaker 2: you're going to write a book, aren't you? And I said, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm workingize you need to get this out so I know, man,
Speaker 2: I know, I know. Trust me, yeah right now, And
Speaker 2: this may change. You can't hold me to it, is
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say. And if you asked me
Speaker 2: about it, I may have changed my mind by the
Speaker 2: time he asked me. I'm like that. I'm a little fickle.
Speaker 2: But I think I'm going to write a book about
Speaker 2: interesting cases and what I learned from them, you know,
Speaker 2: like the handprint on the roof stuff, for example. I think,
Speaker 2: so interesting cases I've been involved in and what I've
Speaker 2: learned from them, I think that's interesting. I think I'm
Speaker 2: going to write a book maybe on what I think
Speaker 2: is going on with sasquatches, or that might actually be
Speaker 2: the same book, because what I think I've learned about
Speaker 2: sasquatches generally came about through people I've spoken to, but
Speaker 2: mostly stuff that I've seen with my own eyes. Because
Speaker 2: I think everybody, all the listeners of the podcast here
Speaker 2: know that I put more emphasis on my own personal
Speaker 2: observations and interpretations of those things than I do in
Speaker 2: other people's interpretations, don't I don't give my power away
Speaker 2: to other people to tell me what to think. I
Speaker 2: just not, like, I'm not that kind of guy. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of stubborn and independent and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: then I've got, you know, a ton of stuff on
Speaker 2: the Blues, and I hear I see online these people
Speaker 2: like I don't post on Facebook or anything like that,
Speaker 2: and I try to steer clear. But when I do
Speaker 2: have to go on there, I see people who don't
Speaker 2: know anything, just spreading rumors and lies about the Blue Mountains.
Speaker 2: It's like like, I know these things are saying are
Speaker 2: not true, but yet they're out there. And you know,
Speaker 2: the more this misinformation gets spread about, the worse it is.
Speaker 2: You know, like I've seen it in print where people
Speaker 2: are citing other authors like Daigling and those guys, you know,
Speaker 2: citing other authors and what they said about the Blues
Speaker 2: as if it's gospel. But it turns out that they're
Speaker 2: wrong about stuff. Like, for example, there's this rumor out
Speaker 2: there that Paul Freeman worked at an orthopedic shoe factory.
Speaker 2: And I literally last night this is super interesting too.
Speaker 2: I was sitting in the Meldring room last night and
Speaker 2: I ran across a letter from Renee to Hinden, to
Speaker 2: vance Orchard, I believe, And Renee said, I heard a
Speaker 2: rumor that he worked in an orthopedic shoe factory, and
Speaker 2: that would explain how these dramatic glyphics got in there.
Speaker 2: And the woman who told me was told by somebody else,
Speaker 2: and it was like this ethereal line of evidence that
Speaker 2: like it was just a rumor that somebody kind of
Speaker 2: made up to explain away this dramaticlyphics thing, you know,
Speaker 2: And I think that might have been the source of it.
Speaker 2: So and I asked Michael Freeman, Michael, you know your dad.
Speaker 2: You knew your dad. He's dead, of course, but like
Speaker 2: you knew your dad pretty well. Did he ever work
Speaker 2: at an orthopedic shoe factory? And he goes, not that
Speaker 2: I know of. No, he was a butcher. He was
Speaker 2: a nighttime butcher in Walla, Walla. And when he lives
Speaker 2: in Camus he owned a delicatessen. Yeah, so that isn't
Speaker 2: the description of a guy who's familiar with the anatomy
Speaker 2: of feet and skin texture, you know, to me at least,
Speaker 2: you know so that people are overestimating Paul unfortunately. Night
Speaker 2: he's a smart guy, but you know, not super literate,
Speaker 2: almost never read, almost never wrote. So anyway, I digress,
Speaker 2: But I'm writing a book about the Blues essentially to
Speaker 2: set the record straight, you know, because I have with
Speaker 2: doctor Meltrim's files came numerous, like forty recordings of vance
Speaker 2: Orchard interviewing people for his books. And so I mean,
Speaker 2: we have vance Orchard's books, which are fantastic, by the way,
Speaker 2: pick him up, Thank goodness, fans Orchard was there documenting
Speaker 2: what was going on in the Blue Mountains at that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bigfoot of the Blues is my top ten fifteen
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bigfoot of the Blues and Walla Walla Bigfoot,
Speaker 2: both of those. Yeah, Like, if you're interested in the
Speaker 2: Blue Mountain stuff, you gotta read that stuff. It's and
Speaker 2: it's very folksy and everything. It's great and it's great.
Speaker 2: But I want to do a more perhaps a little
Speaker 2: more left brain version of that and just go case
Speaker 2: by case by case. Like another one of these huge
Speaker 2: misconceptions about the Blue Mountains, and it's thrown around on
Speaker 2: these Facebook pages all the time like it was fact,
Speaker 2: and everybody pats each other on the back. Oh, you're
Speaker 2: so smart, because you're debunked Freeman again, but you're lying
Speaker 2: about the fact it's so ridiculous is that the whole
Speaker 2: Blue Mountain stuff started on June tenth, nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 2: when Paul Freeman saw that sasquatch and ended when Paul
Speaker 2: Freeman left the Blue Mountains. One of the biggest lies
Speaker 2: ever told about it. Absolute ridiculous. And of course Peter
Speaker 2: Burns book doesn't help that at all. He says that
Speaker 2: I just read it a couple months ago again, and
Speaker 2: I was astonished at the bad information that guy had
Speaker 2: and was putting out in a book. It was very
Speaker 2: disheartening about how the Blue Mountains are what he refers
Speaker 2: to as a dead zone where there should be sasquatches there,
Speaker 2: but there are absolutely no bigfoots there whatsoever. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: what a ridiculous, dumb thing to say, honestly, And because
Speaker 2: there are sighting reports that Van s Orchard documented in
Speaker 2: the late eighteen hundreds of sasquatches. There's another one in
Speaker 2: I think I think the forties if I remember right.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course I'm a little squishy on that one,
Speaker 2: not that it happened, but the nineteen forties state it
Speaker 2: might have been the fifties. I remember in the late
Speaker 2: nineteen sixties footprints were found on Mill Creek Road, which
Speaker 2: is the same place that a lot of stuff still
Speaker 2: happens today. Roger Patterson himself came out to investigate. In fact,
Speaker 2: and in the nineteen seventies there was more stuff. It's
Speaker 2: like everywhere else. The Bigfoots were there before, and the
Speaker 2: bigfoots were there after. Paul left as well. I mean
Speaker 2: the last two years. I was out there. Last year
Speaker 2: and the year before I cast footprints on both of
Speaker 2: my trips. So again, yeah, I'm putting this stuff into books.
Speaker 2: I'm writing a book on the Blues. I'm working on it,
Speaker 2: but I'm writing a book on what I think is
Speaker 2: up with sasquatches, like behaviors and stuff like that, which
Speaker 2: may or may not be the same book as interesting
Speaker 2: cases that I've personally investigated and what I think I've
Speaker 2: learned from them. But honestly, don't you don't need to
Speaker 2: ask me when is your book coming out this year?
Speaker 2: It's not. I'll be lucky to get out and get
Speaker 2: any of these out in twenty twenty seven, because I'm
Speaker 2: still organizing. I'm still I mean, Bobo, you saw the room,
Speaker 2: man like, it's a monumental task to get things in
Speaker 2: order out.
Speaker 4: There and jam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm literally still organizing not only the files
Speaker 2: and whatnot, but at the same time, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what does the workflow look like for any
Speaker 2: of these projects. And I think last night, when I
Speaker 2: ran across that de Hinden letter, and there are a
Speaker 2: couple of other things in this particular folder as well,
Speaker 2: I think what my workflow has got to be is
Speaker 2: I just got to have to take my computer out
Speaker 2: there and sit down and rummage through stuff, and when
Speaker 2: I find something, write a couple of paragraphs about it,
Speaker 2: and then take a picture of the document, feed it
Speaker 2: into a special folder on my computer, and so I
Speaker 2: can work on it wherever I am, whether I'm in
Speaker 2: the house or on the road at a gig or whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to figure out a way to
Speaker 2: do this because there's so much stuff out there. And
Speaker 2: when I rummaged through papers, just like you and I did, Bobo,
Speaker 2: I run across these these nuggets of information that would
Speaker 2: be fantastic for a book. But you know, I got
Speaker 2: to remember to take that nugget up to the house
Speaker 2: and write some paragraphs about it. It's not as easy
Speaker 2: as I mean, Matt. You know, Matt, you wrote a
Speaker 2: book already, but it's just not as easy as people
Speaker 2: think it might be. Yeah, one of the things I'm
Speaker 2: going to do in one of these books is write
Speaker 2: a chapter, or if I can get enough stuff, maybe
Speaker 2: a whole book on cold cases. You know, cause I
Speaker 2: think I did some pretty okay work on the Bossberg stuff,
Speaker 2: uncovered some new things that nobody knew about, and just
Speaker 2: recently I made another discovery in the realm of Bluff Creek.
Speaker 2: I think I showed both of you guys that, and
Speaker 2: actually I shared it with Daniel, So if you do describe,
Speaker 2: if you do subscribe to his newsletter, you'll hear about
Speaker 2: this thing next month. But yeah, a new discovery in
Speaker 2: Bluff Creek and from the early days, the nineteen fifty
Speaker 2: eight to nineteen sixty five days, we'll just call it
Speaker 2: the nineteen fifty eight to sixties you know that whole realm,
Speaker 2: new discovery has been made that nobody's ever written about before.
Speaker 2: So I let Daniel publish it because you know, he
Speaker 2: likes that stuff and whatever. He's always been a good
Speaker 2: friend of mine. But yeah, I'll flesh it out, as
Speaker 2: well as a bunch of other discoveries that I've made
Speaker 2: now of the early nineteen sixties stuff. I think all
Speaker 2: that stuff's going to go into a chapter in one
Speaker 2: of these books, you know. So I don't know, I've
Speaker 2: got a lot to write about. I just wish I
Speaker 2: had more time to write.
Speaker 4: So very good.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages. All right, let's
Speaker 2: queue up the first voicemail here.
Speaker 5: Hey, Bobo, Cliff and Matt Own from upstate New York.
Speaker 5: And I've been a huge fan for about three four
Speaker 5: years since I started watching the show with my grandma.
Speaker 5: And I was really listening to the Fred Roll episodes,
Speaker 5: you know, the guy who has Subarctic Alaska sasquatch, And
Speaker 5: I was thinking about other reports that I've heard, and
Speaker 5: I was thinking Alaskan sasquatches tend to be a lot taller, leaner,
Speaker 5: and aggressive than the ones that we have down here
Speaker 5: in the forty eight based off of reports. Now, I
Speaker 5: was wondering if these could be like a distinct subspecies
Speaker 5: of some kind or something like that, and if so,
Speaker 5: what do you think the geographic or like environmental divide
Speaker 5: could be that makes these a distinct subspecies. I'd love
Speaker 5: to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, guys.
Speaker 5: One more question, who does the intro theme? It's such
Speaker 5: a funny theme. Me and my mom quota all the time.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear that too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for that one.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys enjoy it. That's all me. All
Speaker 3: the intros that have done the little jingles, I'll get
Speaker 3: an idea and I do them pretty quick and slop
Speaker 3: so as rock and roll should be done. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I came up with that theme and then played out
Speaker 3: like the drums, guitars, bass, saying it all in about
Speaker 3: like twenty minutes. So it's a lot of fun. It's
Speaker 3: a little bit of a spin on, at least chord wise,
Speaker 3: the motif. I was aiming for a little bit of
Speaker 3: a Queen's we heard the champions, So glad to hear that.
Speaker 4: You guys enjoy it. Yeah, I definitely think there could
Speaker 4: be subspeed. I think there's definitely subspecies. I mean neither
Speaker 4: the killer well now I know there's like six subspecies
Speaker 4: of them around before everyone just looking at it orca
Speaker 4: you know, and I think I think it's similar, gonna
Speaker 4: be similar with the squatch. I think there's gonna be
Speaker 4: little variations, like you know, different when you get in
Speaker 4: different geographic regions.
Speaker 2: Are enough of part Yeah, I don't think there's a subspecies. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but not enough data to say that yet. And I
Speaker 2: think that behavioral differences does not make a these species
Speaker 2: or subspecies in anyway. If and I even wonder if
Speaker 2: there's a strong tendency for the Alaskan ones to be
Speaker 2: leaner like you said, I would think they're actually more
Speaker 2: robust and larger, taller, and thicker because of Bergman's rule.
Speaker 2: I would also wonder if it's if it's a matter
Speaker 2: of human interpretation that these things are more aggressive, just
Speaker 2: like in Australia, all the literature says, oh, they're cannibals,
Speaker 2: are going to kill us and blah blah blah. But
Speaker 2: these are Australian folks are in the woods, oftentimes with
Speaker 2: pittiloafers on. So I'm not there like where we were.
Speaker 2: At least it was a beach culture, not a mountain culture.
Speaker 2: And I think that's a human interpretation. So I question
Speaker 2: those things. I sincerely question those assumptions.
Speaker 4: Could be a big height for walking through snowdrows half
Speaker 4: the year or three quarters of the.
Speaker 2: Year could be I guess it could be. But at
Speaker 2: the same time that being so cold, you would think
Speaker 2: they would be more spherically shaped to retain heat, you know,
Speaker 2: and that the larger massive surface ratio thing, the Bergman's rule,
Speaker 2: So I would I don't, I would question those assumptions
Speaker 2: at this point.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I know we've talked about it before,
Speaker 3: but we should definitely, you know, if you're interested in
Speaker 3: those questions. I went out, I would definitely read Robert
Speaker 3: Alley's Raincoast Sasquatch. And there's a couple of other Alaska
Speaker 3: oriented books that he's written subsequently, but that one's definitely
Speaker 3: like the source material, and it's I guess you could
Speaker 3: say it's mostly coastal oriented, so it's not as much
Speaker 3: interior elastic east, but man, it's it's still a great book,
Speaker 3: and you'll I think he's balanced enough that you'll see
Speaker 3: the similarities between the reports in those regions and the
Speaker 3: reports around the rest of the continent.
Speaker 4: Well, most of most of Roberts and Raincoast Subsquatches is
Speaker 4: a very southeast which is like semi temperate rainforest, whereas
Speaker 4: subargic Alaska is a whole nother trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I could see that there would be some regional,
Speaker 3: you know, clinal differences, but it's so hard to say
Speaker 3: in terms of the subspecies question, because I think at
Speaker 3: one point the subspecies of American black bear had gotten
Speaker 3: up to like sixteen subspecies, and then genetics came along
Speaker 3: and realized, like, no, most of those are spurious, they
Speaker 3: don't really qualify as subspecies. So I think there was
Speaker 3: a bit of a drive amongst researchers to sort of
Speaker 3: identify slight differences and then be able to you know,
Speaker 3: name a new subspecies after themselves, or be able to
Speaker 3: claim some discovery. But so maybe there is, but I
Speaker 3: tend to be a lumper and not a splitter, so
Speaker 3: you know, there might be regional variations, but I sort
Speaker 3: of doubt that there would be marked subspecies. But what
Speaker 3: about Fleet Darby. I think globally certainly there would be.
Speaker 3: There would have to be enough cut off of you know,
Speaker 3: gene flow between Asia and North America. For example, although
Speaker 3: I mean some species remain unchanged. I think the wolverine
Speaker 3: is still gulo gulu in Asia as it is in
Speaker 3: North America, even though obviously they're not exchanging genetics for
Speaker 3: that very very very long time, you know, many tens
Speaker 3: of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. But i'd
Speaker 3: have to see if that's still true of other animals
Speaker 3: that are both here and in Asia. You know, brown
Speaker 3: bears would be a great example.
Speaker 2: Really, Gulo gulo.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's the species and genus.
Speaker 2: It means glutton, glutton. It reminds me of about goony google.
Speaker 2: Remember what is it Eddie Murphy delirious? Is that what
Speaker 2: it was when he wrote that, like red leather suit
Speaker 2: or whatever? And it was really popular back in the day.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: He had a bit about bigfoot in there, and I
Speaker 2: think he said that the goony googu or something like that,
Speaker 2: didn't he I don't remember. That could be wrong, I
Speaker 2: offer him, but that's what that's what my frail memory
Speaker 2: is telling me. It's been a long time anyway. Should
Speaker 2: we go to the next question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, here is your next written submission, Bobo.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Georgido, great show as always. Why was Robert W.
Speaker 4: Morgan not as well known as the Four Horsemen Sasquatchy.
Speaker 4: Shouldn't he be a horseman too? Good question, Well.
Speaker 3: He's definitely like a next gin. He would have come
Speaker 3: up mostly in the seventies, so, you know, well after
Speaker 3: the established four horsemen, although I guess Grants was like
Speaker 3: a last shoe in at the tail end of the
Speaker 3: sixties there. But Morgan, I think had some exposure and
Speaker 3: some notoriety, and he was definitely good at spreading the
Speaker 3: word and getting you know, he had a few fishually
Speaker 3: sponsored projects, and there were films made about those. But
Speaker 3: and I enjoyed Robert Morgan's stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, I met him.
Speaker 3: Some of the first interviews I ever did, almost twenty
Speaker 3: years ago, were on his old blog talk radio show.
Speaker 3: But I don't think he made contributions nearly as significant
Speaker 3: as at least Green and Krantz did.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he had the American YETI expedition up here,
Speaker 2: and he cast a couple of prints through the day
Speaker 2: over the over the years, if I remember right, like,
Speaker 2: I have one of them. Actually it was cast on
Speaker 2: this guy's property, and I know his brother, and you know,
Speaker 2: so I ended up getting the original cast over there
Speaker 2: at Bunkcombe Hollow, Bunkcombe Hollow is the name of the
Speaker 2: place over by a like Merwin, I think it is,
Speaker 2: or maybe swift Breservoir, But I think it was like
Speaker 2: Merwin if I remember right. But yeah, it just I
Speaker 2: think that a lot of his stuff. I spoke to
Speaker 2: the guy who's kind of in control of his records
Speaker 2: and stuff, and the guy wasn't even aware that he
Speaker 2: was a bigfooter. He did so many other things. He's
Speaker 2: somehow tied up in like some sort of like CIA
Speaker 2: or FBI thing, And yet was he a treasure hun
Speaker 2: or two? He might have been. I know he had
Speaker 2: one of those like sort of like kind of like
Speaker 2: a life like Peter Burn, where he had so many
Speaker 2: things going and it seems so ridiculous and awesome and
Speaker 2: everything just like that's what was going. He was everywhere,
Speaker 2: you know, but I think he was maybe he was
Speaker 2: just too diffuse in his efforts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was such a character. I remember people describing
Speaker 3: him to me as like a big personality. And then
Speaker 3: you know, and I saw some of those documentaries and
Speaker 3: you know, read some of his books. I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's definitely this big personality. And I remember one of
Speaker 3: I was on his podcast twice in podcasts, you know,
Speaker 3: his blog talk radio, but essentially early podcast And I
Speaker 3: remember one of the times it might have been the
Speaker 3: first time i'd met a friend of his who was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you should ask this young guy to come on and
Speaker 3: talk about his experiences and his research in North Georgia.
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't have had a whole lot of value
Speaker 3: to say anyway, So I'm certainly not lamenting it, but
Speaker 3: I remember being so excited and then that came on
Speaker 3: and SA and he had said, let me ask you something.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen tracks that did I can't even
Speaker 3: remember what the that up was, you know, have you
Speaker 3: ever seen tracks that exhibited X, Y and Z because
Speaker 3: one time and then he told his story for an
Speaker 3: hour and then at the end was like, well, that's
Speaker 3: all the time we have for tonight. See I don't
Speaker 3: think I said a word the entire time as the guest,
Speaker 3: and so it did. It didn't offend me or anything
Speaker 3: like that, but I was like, oh, yeah, he's definitely
Speaker 3: like this a big ball of sort of charisma, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, just sort of a very much
Speaker 3: a cult of personality sort of a guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a good that's a good description cult
Speaker 4: the personal I say, he came to the last I
Speaker 4: went to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference like six years ago
Speaker 4: or whatever. He was there. We'll take a picture with
Speaker 4: him and on the stage and he got a special
Speaker 4: recognition award from Mark for Ohio big Footing. And he
Speaker 4: kept saying to me, like, what are you doing up
Speaker 4: here on this stage? I said, well, I spoke like
Speaker 4: just a minute ago, and he goes, who are you?
Speaker 4: What are you doing here? I just was laughing one
Speaker 4: that is those are fair questions, but yeah, it was
Speaker 4: actually seeking So I guess that's why I'm up here.
Speaker 2: Was that the twenty twenty one conference.
Speaker 3: No, I was at one Ohio conference that he was at,
Speaker 3: and so I got to meet him in person and
Speaker 3: speak with him. And then he gave a talk about
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that he had done insult
Speaker 3: Fork decades ago, and track finds that he had made
Speaker 3: their I think maybe in the eighties or it could
Speaker 3: have been in the nineties, but it was it was
Speaker 3: several decades prior. So it was really interesting to meet
Speaker 3: him and see him. And you know, I enjoy parts
Speaker 3: of his what's the Small Yellow Book called? I think
Speaker 3: it's like the Bigfoot Field Observer's Manual or something like that.
Speaker 3: I think there's some useful stuff in there. But yeah,
Speaker 3: he's definitely a character.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I definitely enjoyed the guy, But I don't think, and
Speaker 3: just in all fairness, I don't think that he necessarily
Speaker 3: made the sort of contributions that would land him in
Speaker 3: that sort of luminary category that we think of the
Speaker 3: other four horsemen as and to me is specifically John
Speaker 3: Green and Grover Krantz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always been a problem for me putting Crash
Speaker 4: in with the four Horses, because basically he started basically
Speaker 4: the seventies. He's like late or nineteen sixty hours his
Speaker 4: first Tommy dipped his toe into the squatch pool and
Speaker 4: then so he's really got from the seventies and eighties nineties.
Speaker 4: I think the four horse were the guys that started
Speaker 4: in the fifties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I guess would technically be I mean, the
Speaker 3: first real field researchers, I guess you would have to
Speaker 3: say would be that Pacific Northwest Expedition, and so it
Speaker 3: would be Green, Detendon, Ivan Marx, Bob Titmas and Peter burn, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because they work together though, But you know, elsewhere, Cliff Olsen,
Speaker 2: the late great Cliff Olsen, he saw a sasquatch in
Speaker 2: the late fifties and started looking into it then and
Speaker 2: he never stopped until he died.
Speaker 3: Did he ever publish anything? I know that name, but
Speaker 3: I can't remember if I've read any of his works
Speaker 3: or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Now. He never wrote his own thing, but he and
Speaker 2: Joe Blart pulled their efforts together and Joe produced that
Speaker 2: The Big but Highway Book, which is excellent, of course,
Speaker 2: very folks seeing down to earth and a lot of
Speaker 2: fun to read and stuff. But so that's a lot
Speaker 2: of Cliff Olsen's work with Joe b. Lart, because those
Speaker 2: guys teamed up, and I kind of viewed Cliff and
Speaker 2: Joe as being like the second generation of Bigfooters in
Speaker 2: a way, you know, yeah, because even though the you
Speaker 2: know the well, Cliff is dead when Joe's pretty old
Speaker 2: at this point. But in fact I got a call
Speaker 2: from Joe for to day.
Speaker 4: Actually so nice guy.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I think that there's kind of the second
Speaker 2: gen of Bigfoots. But Cliff was there at the very
Speaker 2: beginning of it all. I don't know, But again I
Speaker 2: never asked him about that before he passed. He was
Speaker 2: a friend of mine. We'd go at the breakfast and
Speaker 2: see each other. And he came to the museum right
Speaker 2: when it opened because he died shortly thereafter. But just
Speaker 2: one of those guys, like in one of those unsung heroes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say when it comes to those
Speaker 3: luminaries or the people that we think of as the
Speaker 3: four horsemen. And again I would not apply this as
Speaker 3: heavily to to Hinden or Burn, but I think that
Speaker 3: there are things that people contributed that are the basis
Speaker 3: of so much other work that other work is dependent
Speaker 3: on it. And of course that at work is being
Speaker 3: rechecked and reverified, so to speak, or at least tested
Speaker 3: to see if it remains consistent or certain ideas or
Speaker 3: concepts or hypotheses or patterns, et cetera. But I think
Speaker 3: much of what Green did is kind of, at least
Speaker 3: within the canon of Sasquatchrey, very axiomatic. And I think
Speaker 3: a lot of Krantz's work is also fairly axiomatic to
Speaker 3: Sasquatchrey itself. I think those would be the defining criteria.
Speaker 3: Whereas Napier obviously is the first real anthropologist to get
Speaker 3: involved and published on it in a way, but he
Speaker 3: didn't really contribute anything that was axiomatic, and Morgan certainly
Speaker 3: didn't either, I would say, and then there are other
Speaker 3: people subsequently. You know, if George, if you're not a member,
Speaker 3: I know that name is very familiar. I know we've
Speaker 3: answered multiple questions from George edo before. I can't remember
Speaker 3: if George as one of the pigeons or not, but
Speaker 3: we did a whole pigeon episode about other people that
Speaker 3: we think made big contributions that should be included in
Speaker 3: this idea of I think I called it Unsung Heroes
Speaker 3: and Various horse Folk. It was the name of the episode,
Speaker 3: and so that was definitely worth revisiting, and in fact,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll throw that as a bonus in this feed
Speaker 3: at some point for people who are not members, if
Speaker 3: you want to hear members only episodes from the past
Speaker 3: where we cover a lot of these people. Because that
Speaker 3: was a really fun conversation, I think that'd be worth
Speaker 3: tossing out here to people. But to me, that would
Speaker 3: be the big criteria. It's like, are there things that
Speaker 3: we operate on now that are sort of foundational that
Speaker 3: if you kick the legs out from under it, we'd
Speaker 3: have to go back to the drawing board on a
Speaker 3: lot of things. And I would say yes to John
Speaker 3: Green doing that, and yes to Krantz doing that, and
Speaker 3: not so much Robert W. Morgan, although he was very
Speaker 3: active and influential, but not necessarily like I said, axiomatic.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm going to get a definition for acxiomatic, a
Speaker 4: foundational approach in mathematics and logic where a concept system
Speaker 4: of theory is defined by a set of basic self
Speaker 4: evident truths called axioms, rather than describing the concept and
Speaker 4: simpler the terms gat to look that up when you
Speaker 4: were talking about it. Very good.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 2: Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: This I thought was an interesting hypothetical question here and
Speaker 3: there it is for you, Cliff.
Speaker 2: Okay, and it comes from Brian Levigne. I asked Gemini
Speaker 2: what percentage of North Americans believe in Sasquatch. Its answer
Speaker 2: was between eleven percent and twenty eight percent, approximately eighty
Speaker 2: million people. That's a lot of bumper stickers. Many of
Speaker 2: us know the sasquatches exist. But how many quote unquote
Speaker 2: true believers do you guys think are out there?
Speaker 4: Nors are believers?
Speaker 2: He wrote true believers in quotation marks. So that's and
Speaker 2: again that's where I always get tripped up. It's like,
Speaker 2: but he said this, but he said this, you know,
Speaker 2: so I think a lot more people believe than no,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. I think a lot more people believe
Speaker 2: than have evidence or even aware of the evidence. I
Speaker 2: think it's like, like last week I went to go
Speaker 2: see that comedian Rodney Norman. You know, he came to
Speaker 2: the musing him and he's super funny. To check him out.
Speaker 2: He he's hilarious, and he says, I believe because that's
Speaker 2: because I want to believe, you know, I want to believe.
Speaker 2: He said, I want to believe in everything. Well that's
Speaker 2: not a real strong place to come from, but literally,
Speaker 2: in my life that would be a shot down pretty quick.
Speaker 2: But you are a Santa comedian, so have Adam, and
Speaker 2: that's awesome.
Speaker 4: But true believers, the eleven percent sounds about right, and
Speaker 4: then twenty eight percent for like those are like probably
Speaker 4: like could be like leaning more towards that than not,
Speaker 4: you know, probably something like that.
Speaker 2: I bet it's geographical though, because I think in the
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest, I bet you I wouldn't be surprised as
Speaker 2: something close to forty percent of the people up here
Speaker 2: probably think there might be something to it. I heard.
Speaker 4: I've heard that set actually for the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2: Well, but Seattle did a thing a few years ago,
Speaker 2: and I forget what the number was. Who was something
Speaker 2: like twenty one percent or something, wasn't it. Do you
Speaker 2: remember that? Am I wrong?
Speaker 4: I can't remember the numbers now that I remember seeing
Speaker 4: that stuff.
Speaker 2: I think the people outside of town either more inclined
Speaker 2: to believe, or when they don't believe, they're more adamant
Speaker 2: about it, because I would have seen it by now.
Speaker 2: One of those things, you know.
Speaker 3: I think it's so hard to tell. And I don't
Speaker 3: know where these numbers ever get generated, because I always
Speaker 3: think when I see things about poles that there's a
Speaker 3: selection bias in place, because you're only getting information from
Speaker 3: the kind of people who take poles. And you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know many people who are like, oh yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll take that poll, or I'll spend time filling out
Speaker 3: this survey. You know, that's a special kind of person.
Speaker 3: I've had this conversation with people where they'll say, well,
Speaker 3: just look at the number of festivals. Like a good
Speaker 3: example would be Hawking Hills, right, because it's a street fair,
Speaker 3: street festival, and so they had what thirty thousand, forty
Speaker 3: thousand people roll through, And so people use that as
Speaker 3: a proxy. And I'll say, look, not everyone who's going
Speaker 3: to the festival is a believer in the proposition. You know,
Speaker 3: they don't accept the proposition that the Sasquatch exists. It's
Speaker 3: a local event. There's food trucks and vendors, and it's
Speaker 3: something fun to do and bring the family to. And
Speaker 3: so you can't look at the attendees of large public
Speaker 3: festivals and treat that like it's some sort of a
Speaker 3: barometer of the nation or the continent's belief in the
Speaker 3: existence of you know, a corporeal species of sas squander
Speaker 3: who goes.
Speaker 4: To paid conferences. That's the window of that down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's there's those sorts of things or even
Speaker 3: you know, I think a lot of the people that
Speaker 3: listen to podcasts don't even I mean, there's there's plenty
Speaker 3: of things that I listen to because they're interesting or
Speaker 3: entertaining that I have no dog in the fight in
Speaker 3: and you know, I feel that way about a lot
Speaker 3: of UFO stuff that I listen to. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is just interesting and it kind of turns my
Speaker 3: brain off and just entertains me for an hour while
Speaker 3: I'm driving or something. And so you could go, oh, well,
Speaker 3: this UFO podcast has many millions of listeners. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean that every listener believes that every word
Speaker 3: of that is absolutely true or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how anyone would really arrive at that.
Speaker 3: I find that most people that I talk to are like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's interesting, and you know, maybe there is something and
Speaker 3: but I don't know that that would qualify as what
Speaker 3: Brian defining his quote true believers. You know, I still
Speaker 3: think the people who absolutely accept the proposition, whether they've
Speaker 3: seen one or not, you know, let's just say people
Speaker 3: who believe rather than no. It's probably not as high
Speaker 3: as that eleven to twenty eight percent, But I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe I could be wrong, but I do think that's
Speaker 3: a number that's like unknowable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, and.
Speaker 2: People want to believe, that's for sure. And look at
Speaker 2: some of the nonsense. It gets thrown out on everybody.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of people that have seen him
Speaker 4: and refuse to believe in that they see him because
Speaker 4: they're scared. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just see all the garbage put out by the
Speaker 2: media and stuff, and then it's like, oh, I believe
Speaker 2: it was on the news. I believe it.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, come on, man, to talk about snake.
Speaker 2: It might be I got like three people this week
Speaker 2: have emailed me to ask me if that's real.
Speaker 4: Dude, Pauli's arguing with you that it's real, that he's legit.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what do you talk I've got a bunch
Speaker 4: of comments like, dude, if you check this guy out,
Speaker 4: this looks like real deal. I'm just like, oh, just
Speaker 4: shake my.
Speaker 2: Head by Pizza Polly. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: It's just so disappointing that people that even slightly entertained
Speaker 2: that that might be real, because it's the same it's
Speaker 2: the same dummied like model thing as uh Rick dyre
Speaker 2: used and Henk Yeah, Hank exactly. This put they slapped
Speaker 2: some eyebrows on it and changed the makeup a bit.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: So disappointing that, but again, that just shows you people
Speaker 2: are ready to believe anything, you know, in this weird
Speaker 2: post truth world that we've inherited, people believe anything, and
Speaker 2: if you tell them, like, well, that's kind of not
Speaker 2: real at all. And he's the reasons that they won't
Speaker 2: even believe that. It's like, it's like you being dead, Bobo.
Speaker 2: People won't believe that you're not dead. They want to
Speaker 2: believe you're dead.
Speaker 3: We got to give a shout out to our good
Speaker 3: friend Wes over at Sasquatch Chronicles. Just earlier today, listeners,
Speaker 3: Wes texted us a screenshot of a text exchange he
Speaker 3: had with someone, and he cut out the name, so
Speaker 3: I don't know who this was, so we're, well, we're
Speaker 3: going to assume that it's what Wes is good buddies,
Speaker 3: but he's it's a screenshot where somebody asked, what about
Speaker 3: this dude Snake who has a bigfoot body, to which
Speaker 3: Wes responded, are you asking me if some guy named
Speaker 3: Snake the bigfoot hunter has a real bigfoot body? Funny,
Speaker 3: and he said, I know you guys would appreciate this,
Speaker 3: and we had a good laugh about it. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: any more questions, bro, yep, we'll do a couple more
Speaker 3: here before we roll over to the pigeon side.
Speaker 4: So this is a good one for you, Bobo, Okay,
Speaker 4: Carl Wiland, I came across Bo's Bigfoot Encounters on of
Speaker 4: the fourth time on TV and was disappointed to see
Speaker 4: that there were only three episodes. They were amazing. Are
Speaker 4: there are their plans for future episodes? Boa did a
Speaker 4: great job getting the eyewitnesses to detail their encounters. Thank you.
Speaker 4: Now would find on doing any more of those? No,
Speaker 4: not for not anytime the next several months, that's for sure,
Speaker 4: if they needed to be next year. But thanks, I
Speaker 4: mean that's the first thing compliments I got.
Speaker 3: Oh, people love it, like I've been posting that link
Speaker 3: every time we mention it, and once again I'll put
Speaker 3: a link to that in the show notes so that
Speaker 3: it'll take you right to the two B listing so
Speaker 3: you can watch it, you know, on your mobile device
Speaker 3: or on your lab stop if you have the two
Speaker 3: B app on your TV. Yeah, I put a link
Speaker 3: to Sarah's episode specifically in that last episode with that
Speaker 3: we did with Sarah's catching up about her return trip
Speaker 3: to the Marble Mountains. But yeah, it's been nothing but
Speaker 3: positive feedback everywhere that I've seen.
Speaker 4: Oh really, God, So I was bout on like the
Speaker 4: music and like the announcer's voice, and so that was
Speaker 4: all my fault. I didn't get it done like I
Speaker 4: wanted to get it downstairs the production company how to
Speaker 4: like just throw that part together At the end.
Speaker 3: I think they turn out well. It seems like people
Speaker 3: really enjoy it, so I will put a link there again,
Speaker 3: So go go check them out, folks, and maybe Bobo
Speaker 3: can get some more of than episodes there in the
Speaker 3: can for you. And then let's do one last voicemail.
Speaker 3: Here we get questions along these lines, but it's been
Speaker 3: a while since we've gotten one of these, and so
Speaker 3: here's your last voicemail.
Speaker 6: Hi, guys, this is Simon from the UK and I
Speaker 6: just wanted to ask you a question. I've been interested
Speaker 6: in the big Foot subject for over thirty years now
Speaker 6: and it's sort of on my book at list to
Speaker 6: attend a big Foot conference or a show in the
Speaker 6: US at some point in the future, but possibly even
Speaker 6: go on an expedition if there was one available, and
Speaker 6: I wondered which of those you would recommend. I know
Speaker 6: that you guys have traveled to and attended quite a
Speaker 6: lot of them.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 6: You still live in Canada over twenty years ago on
Speaker 6: Vancouver Island, and at that time I found Bigfoot conferences
Speaker 6: and forums and stuff that weren't as common, so I
Speaker 6: never got the opportunity to do any socializing with fellow
Speaker 6: bigfoot US or go on an expedition. So it's something
Speaker 6: you know that I've always wanted to do, so I'd
Speaker 6: like to hear your opinion. I also read Matt's book
Speaker 6: last year, The Phenomenals Ask Question, and thought it was excellent.
Speaker 4: Thanks guy. I haven't been on a conference for a
Speaker 4: long time, so I would I wouldn't know what the
Speaker 4: latest ones are, but they're all good in their own right.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to go like a mixed
Speaker 4: one like cryptid coonf you're interested in like all kinds
Speaker 4: of difference, that one's that's that's great, that's a really
Speaker 4: good one. And then there's the one up in the
Speaker 4: one what's that one clip up on the top of
Speaker 4: main up at saw Saint Marie up in the border
Speaker 4: of Canada. But it's really hard to get there. But
Speaker 4: that's that's if you're into that multiple disciplines, like you know,
Speaker 4: UFO's ghosts and dog Man and fire breathing worms and
Speaker 4: all that kind of stuff. But for just straight bigfoot,
Speaker 4: what would you say, like a Ohio is great smoking
Speaker 4: because you probably want to go on the East Coast.
Speaker 4: I'd imagine the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference is usually pretty good.
Speaker 4: But I like that Smoking Mountain Conference a lot.
Speaker 2: I think that nowadays what we need to we need
Speaker 2: to look for is who's speaking, what do you want
Speaker 2: to get from it? You know, like Crypton con to
Speaker 2: the one that Bobo mentioned right away that was coming
Speaker 2: up in November. I know I'm going to be there.
Speaker 2: A bunch of weather folks are going there. That's a
Speaker 2: good mix because the organizers recognize that the television personalities
Speaker 2: bring people in, right, So they're going to have a
Speaker 2: number of people representing various television shows and stuff, and
Speaker 2: they're also going to have a lot of people that
Speaker 2: most people don't really know about, like who just do
Speaker 2: solid Bigfoot research and that's it, and they're not really
Speaker 2: on the shows so much because they're in the woods
Speaker 2: doing what they love to do. And so Cryptocon I
Speaker 2: find strikes a really good balance between the entertainment side
Speaker 2: and the actual real research side, which I think is
Speaker 2: great because real research isn't done on television, is the
Speaker 2: bottom line? Then take it for me. I worked on
Speaker 2: TV for nine years, right, so it's just not done there.
Speaker 2: Like the new breaking stuff isn't going to be released
Speaker 2: on that kind of stuff. They may feature it on
Speaker 2: a segment or something, but that's it. So I would
Speaker 2: recommend looking at just shop around for where you want
Speaker 2: to be and then look at the people speaking. That's
Speaker 2: the best way to do it. There's not a conference
Speaker 2: that is necessarily year in year out, absolutely hands down
Speaker 2: the best. That just doesn't really happen. And as far
Speaker 2: as expeditions go, again, it comes down to where do
Speaker 2: you want to go. Do you want to see the
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest? Sounds like you've already been here. Maybe you
Speaker 2: want to go somewhere easier to grab like Massa Massages budget.
Speaker 4: Doing his final one coming up. That's that's going to
Speaker 4: be a great one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The BFRO runs really good expeditions for the most part.
Speaker 2: Of course, they vary, you know, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: lie to you, Like Matt has a lot of people
Speaker 2: working for him, you know, and the organizers run the expeditions,
Speaker 2: so and some organizers are just frankly better at it
Speaker 2: than others are. Some cook, some don't, Some are out
Speaker 2: in the woods all the time, some just do chase
Speaker 2: for citing reports. They all have something to offer, but
Speaker 2: they're all going to differ in flavor. So you really
Speaker 2: want to look at who the organizer is and most importantly,
Speaker 2: what habitat, what terrain like, what area the geographical area
Speaker 2: of the country do you want to visit and check
Speaker 2: out in a big through a bigfoot lens. I think
Speaker 2: those are the most important things to weigh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and since you mentioned Crypticon, that is a good one.
Speaker 3: Simon brought up the social aspect, like getting to sit
Speaker 3: down and speak with other researchers, you know, one on one,
Speaker 3: are face to face rather than just sitting in a
Speaker 3: crowd and listening to lectures. I think cryptocon is great
Speaker 3: for that. This year, it's going to be at a
Speaker 3: different venue too that I think will be a lot
Speaker 3: more accommodating, conducive, etcetera. So they're doing it at Bell
Speaker 3: Terra Casino in Florence, Indiana this year, and Cliff will
Speaker 3: be there, as he mentioned, I'll be there. A great researcher,
Speaker 3: Tom Shay will be there. And then in terms of
Speaker 3: you know, researchers that you might have seen on screen, obviously,
Speaker 3: Maria Russ and Bryce from Expedition Bigfoot will be there.
Speaker 3: There's going to be a number of people our friends
Speaker 3: and from the Mountain Monsters, you know, wild Bill and
Speaker 3: Buck and Huckleberry will be there. So that's going to
Speaker 3: be a really good event.
Speaker 2: And that's coming up.
Speaker 3: I'll put a link in the show notes, but that's
Speaker 3: going to be November twenty first and twenty second of
Speaker 3: this year, So I don't know if that's too quick
Speaker 3: a turnaround time for you there, Simon, but that would
Speaker 3: be a good one. And I guess while we're talking
Speaker 3: about events too, I got word that the cabins for
Speaker 3: the Alaska Bigfoot crews are almost all gone. There's only
Speaker 3: a few left. So I'll have that link in the
Speaker 3: show notes too if anyone's interested and coming on that.
Speaker 3: I'm super excited about that. But yeah, I definitely think
Speaker 3: something like Crypto Con or the Ohio Bigfoot Conference is
Speaker 3: another good opportunity to not only see a lot of speakers,
Speaker 3: but to get you FaceTime and interact and ask questions
Speaker 3: because everyone's just under the same roof for a whole weekend,
Speaker 3: and so the social and interactive portion of it is
Speaker 3: just excellent.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, with that, are we done? Go to the member
Speaker 2: section and.
Speaker 5: Do some ring?
Speaker 4: I think so. Yeah. All right, folks, Well that was
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