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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys

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<v Speaker 2>Stay and the greatest on Esterday and listening watching always

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<v Speaker 3>And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

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<v Speaker 4>How's it gone?

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<v Speaker 2>It's going all right. I'm out and about and bigfoots

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<v Speaker 2>are out and about. Really cool stuff has been going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I've done two sightings investigations. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>track find and that is all in the last week. No,

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<v Speaker 2>I take that back. One of the sightings was a

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<v Speaker 2>week a week ago Friday, so nine days ago. The

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<v Speaker 2>one on Friday was over at Promontory Park and I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't written about that one yet on the blog. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was a lot of fun. Actually I might even

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<v Speaker 2>make a video out of that one because it was

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<v Speaker 2>so much fun. But someone saw a couple of guys

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<v Speaker 2>actually saw one over at Promontory Park Friday night, right

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<v Speaker 2>the on July third, like the campground was full and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>but like that area where it was, I guess he

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<v Speaker 2>was probably just tell the story about it real fast.

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<v Speaker 2>If we have the time. I know we have a

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<v Speaker 2>Q and a to do today, but there's always big

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<v Speaker 2>foot stuff to talk about. Sure, yeah, so these two

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<v Speaker 2>guys are I think there were two guys that they're

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<v Speaker 2>camping in Promontory Park. There's like a campground there, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>They they kind of dam up the Qlacamus River so

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<v Speaker 2>it forms a lake at that point. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>Faurday Lake if I remember right, but Uhday, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's what is Faraday fa r A d A y.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, oh yeah, something like that. Well, these I

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<v Speaker 2>guess about nine in the evening, and mind you, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the Pacific Northwest, and it's not that far right

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<v Speaker 2>now from the summer solstice, so it's still pretty light

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<v Speaker 2>at that point. This guy was sitting over at a

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<v Speaker 2>dock because you know, it's like right there in the water.

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<v Speaker 2>It's sitting on a dock at nine, so it's pretty dusky.

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess the deal is he saw something that

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<v Speaker 2>appeared to be on two legs across the river, and

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<v Speaker 2>of course it's a lake at this point. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>a real big lake, but it's one hundred yards two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred yards across, probably probably one hundred and fiftywo hundred

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<v Speaker 2>yards something like that, and up up I guess downstream

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<v Speaker 2>from him really thinking about it, is something came down

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<v Speaker 2>off the opposing slope. Now, the opposing slope is very

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<v Speaker 2>steep for most of it, and there aren't really any

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<v Speaker 2>roads up there at all. Like I'm on top of

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<v Speaker 2>the mesas sort of thing. I guess it kind of is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, although Mace is strictly a desert formation, so

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<v Speaker 2>on top of the hill or the mountain or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's some roads and up there, but really not

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<v Speaker 2>that many at all. It feel a free to look

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<v Speaker 2>at Google, Google Earth or Google Maps or whatever or

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<v Speaker 2>the mapping software of your choice and look across from

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<v Speaker 2>a promontory park there and you're going to see that

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<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot going on up there. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>this two legged thing comes down in one of the draws,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, water does seep down there, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>over the decades and millennia. It's kind of cut a

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<v Speaker 2>little you know, V shape thing. So something comes out

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<v Speaker 2>of a brushy V shaped little valley deal and goes

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<v Speaker 2>in the water, and I think the guy said it

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<v Speaker 2>floated or something like. Basically it went downstream a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit and then got back out of the water, and

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, well, that was weird because and he knows

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<v Speaker 2>darn well that like there's nothing over there. There's no

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<v Speaker 2>reason for people to be over there, that there are

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<v Speaker 2>no boats over there docked or anything. Not that you

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<v Speaker 2>could there's no docks, but like you can't pull over there, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He goes, well, that that was really weird and just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like put it to bed, and so he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Later on, he was camping just a few hours later.

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<v Speaker 2>This is like at twelve forty five, maybe one o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, somewhere in that zone. He's in his campsite,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just like a regular campground, you know, fire

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<v Speaker 2>pits and bathrooms, there's a fish cleaning station and all. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff, and it's sold out. It's

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<v Speaker 2>fourth of July weekend at about twelve forty five. They're

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<v Speaker 2>hanging out by the like he his buddy or hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out by the fire, I guess, and he sees he

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<v Speaker 2>looks across the road and of course right across the

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<v Speaker 2>road there's another campsite, obviously, but on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of that camp site is the fish cleaning station up

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<v Speaker 2>on a little hill and we're talking like fifty feet

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<v Speaker 2>behind this other campsite, and you can see it because

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<v Speaker 2>there's a bathroom there and there's a light there or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>And something catches his eye, and apparently what he sees

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<v Speaker 2>is a very large man sort of thing walking from

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<v Speaker 2>left to right away from the fish cleaning station. And

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<v Speaker 2>he says, oh, there it is again, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>her he ran out and tried to see it again. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>the fish cleaning station. I've been there. I did the investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>The fish cleaning station has it's like a little i guess,

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<v Speaker 2>like a roof like structure, and then underneath the roof

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<v Speaker 2>like structure is a sink, you know, and that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of thing the cleaner fish and the guts go away

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<v Speaker 2>and all that sort of stuff. But the eaves of

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<v Speaker 2>the roof are about seven and a half eight feet tall.

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<v Speaker 2>I was right there next to it. Keith, who's much

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<v Speaker 2>taller than I. He estimated it about eight feet tall,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that kind of thing. And whatever this thing was,

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<v Speaker 2>the head of it was even to the eaves or

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<v Speaker 2>slightly taller than the eaves and walking from left to right. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this is the weird thing. This is the weird thing.

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<v Speaker 2>He said that it looked like it was wearing like

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<v Speaker 2>a slicker, like a yellow jacket or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, well, how could that be that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's totally weird. But it was too big to be

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<v Speaker 2>a person. So I don't really think sasquatches going on

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<v Speaker 2>wearing clothes very often. But that's what he said. And

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<v Speaker 2>he was reluctant, No, no, no, it wasn't raining, beautiful weather,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was. He was reluctant to tell. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't there when he reported it. Keith and Jill

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<v Speaker 2>were working the shop. I was not in the shop

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, but he said I was. Didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you, guys because you'd think I'm crazy, But

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<v Speaker 2>it looked like it was wearing like a yellow slicker

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. So well, that's weird. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I mean, I know that sometimes apes actually

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<v Speaker 2>throw some clothes on or whatever, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the case. And I think it's probably a play

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<v Speaker 2>of light or And mind you, it was fairly dark.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a light on the bathroom not far from there,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is a good distance away at night. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if the guys were drinking or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, who knows what they could have been doing,

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<v Speaker 2>who knows, But I assume it's just some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>play of the light as the thing ran off, but

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<v Speaker 2>the size of the figure strongly suggests sasquatch. Right, So

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<v Speaker 2>he ran out into the road, and he couldn't run

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<v Speaker 2>right over there because of the campsite, so he veered

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<v Speaker 2>over to the right and tried to see it again,

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<v Speaker 2>and he never saw it again. And that's basically all

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<v Speaker 2>we got. So we got something that sounded pretty decent,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, pretty good because I know the area pretty well,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's there should be nobody across the river. So

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<v Speaker 2>whatever they saw about nine pint forty five was probably

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<v Speaker 2>his sasquatch. I don't see you have any reason to

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<v Speaker 2>doubt it. And then of course this saying in the

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<v Speaker 2>campground wearing a yellow slicker. I mean it was nighttime.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure you'd be able to see yellow very well.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also a possibility because I have not gone there

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<v Speaker 2>at night. Maybe just an illusion because of the type

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<v Speaker 2>of bulb that was. Maybe it's some sort of like

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<v Speaker 2>mercury bulb or something that has a yellow tinge. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't really know, but yeah, this is just one of

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<v Speaker 2>those where the guy saw something unusual, but I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what it is. I suspect it's probably again, probably

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<v Speaker 2>just a play of light, because I can see that,

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<v Speaker 2>like if the Sasquatches, if even saw a Sasquatch, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know, you know, who knows, maybe the Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>on the brain after seeing the first one or the

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<v Speaker 2>one earlier in the night. I have no idea at all.

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<v Speaker 2>So I went out there with Keith the next day. Actually, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not true. He saw it Friday. He reported it

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<v Speaker 2>to us on Tuesday. I guess his buddy was encouraging,

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<v Speaker 2>was you just tell him, just tell him. Not every

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<v Speaker 2>gonna think I'm crazy, just tell him. So he finally

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<v Speaker 2>came in and told us, and we wrote down the

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<v Speaker 2>details and I got a text at the time. And

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<v Speaker 2>so the next day Keith and I went out there

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, well, screw it, man, let's just go.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just go to the like the little building where

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<v Speaker 2>you can, you know, rent campsites and all that. Sid

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<v Speaker 2>I just walked in and talked to the campground house like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>my name's Cliff, and I owned that Bigfoot museum over there.

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<v Speaker 2>And someone told me they saw they maybe saw a sasquatch,

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<v Speaker 2>and the lady didn't blame She goes, oh, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we heard about that. It is oh cool, cool. Would

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<v Speaker 2>you mind if I go and park and go look

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<v Speaker 2>around and say no, no, that'd be great. And then

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<v Speaker 2>she brought a map out and showed me where the

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<v Speaker 2>fish cleaning station was, and I told her what I knew,

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<v Speaker 2>and she goes, oh, we kind of assumed it was

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<v Speaker 2>over here in this area, but you're telling me those

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<v Speaker 2>over here. I guess I had better information because they

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<v Speaker 2>were just kind of guessing where things might have been.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we went and looked around, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say we found anything we can hang our hat on.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course they saw it on Friday, and they

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<v Speaker 2>had the entire Fourth of July weekend in between what

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<v Speaker 2>they sold out campsite, so I didn't expect to find anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But despite of that, I did actually find a few

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<v Speaker 2>things that maybe were footprints, because I decided, since the

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<v Speaker 2>campground was totally sold out, that the best avenue if

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to find anything at all, would not

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<v Speaker 2>be to look on the pathway where the guy saw

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<v Speaker 2>it move, since he did not see it immediately after

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<v Speaker 2>the episode at the fish cleaning station, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>the direction that it went. I looked in the thickest

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<v Speaker 2>brush I could find in that direction. Actually, there was

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<v Speaker 2>some pretty good brush in that area, and I found

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<v Speaker 2>some things that maybe maybe we're footprints. Maybe it's really

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<v Speaker 2>hard to say, really hard to say, but yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>nothing I could really hang our hats on, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then of course after that, Keith and I were

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<v Speaker 2>we went back to the dock and go, well, how

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<v Speaker 2>are we going to get across the river? Man? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a long ways.

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<v Speaker 4>What are we going to do?

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<v Speaker 2>And so I had this bright idea, well, let's go

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<v Speaker 2>over to the marina, because there's a marina in the

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<v Speaker 2>lake there, and let's just see if maybe a fisherman

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, somebody renting a pontoon boat is coming

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, we're worth a shot, right, didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 2>anybody was coming in. We waited around for about twenty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes and just we didn't. We didn't. We didn't think

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<v Speaker 2>that was very hopeful. So we went into the shop

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<v Speaker 2>there and and we went up to the guy at

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<v Speaker 2>the desk and go like, hey, someone said, they may

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<v Speaker 2>have seen a sasquatch and we're hoping to rent a canoe.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, kayaks for forty bucks an hour. What would

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<v Speaker 2>you give us a canoe for if we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>do a bigfoot investigation? And the guy laughed or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and he he said that They said, I'll give it

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<v Speaker 2>to you for thirty bucks sold. You know, because I

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<v Speaker 2>have a museum, and renting a kayak for a sasquatch

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<v Speaker 2>investigation in my life is tax deductible. So I went

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and paid for it, and Keith and I zipped

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<v Speaker 2>across the river to where the guy saw it, because

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<v Speaker 2>there's only one spot because like I said, it's pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much a sheer cliff the entire way except for this

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<v Speaker 2>one draw in the vicinity where he said he saw it.

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<v Speaker 2>So he went over there, and you know, I found

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<v Speaker 2>sign of deer and stuff going up down, But there

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<v Speaker 2>was one thing, one thing at the very edge of

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<v Speaker 2>the water that kind of looked like a footprint, but

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<v Speaker 2>it did look like it was getting back onto shore.

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<v Speaker 2>And based on the story, that's not where I would

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<v Speaker 2>imagine it would have happened. But you know, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see the sasquatch, do it or whatever. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>I got to go boating the other day. That was

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<v Speaker 2>journey there. That was pretty cool, and I filmed it all.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm thinking I might piece that together into a

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<v Speaker 2>museum video this month. I'm not really sure what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do yet, but that would be a good one

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<v Speaker 4>it on the aerial. Is that long chat it is?

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<v Speaker 4>I gets some kind of electricity production site.

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<v Speaker 2>Like yeah, yeah, the dam at the end, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it has a power generator in it or something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, it's just it's got that like that long chatle,

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<v Speaker 4>like those parallel of the river for quite a way

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<v Speaker 4>is well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, below that, below the dam, that's where Esticata Lake is.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we filmed one of the episodes here, we literally,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys literally did an investigation at Esticada Lake. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>numerous reports out of that one spot as well. So

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<v Speaker 2>and of course up on top of that hill that

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<v Speaker 2>in that general direction, that's where Memoloose circles around. That's

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<v Speaker 2>where Hillockburn Road, and like there's all these little nooks

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<v Speaker 2>and crannies up in there where. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>historical sighting reports up in that general area. South Fork

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<v Speaker 2>of the Klacamus is an excellent location that used to

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<v Speaker 2>be the water source for Oregon City, so there's all

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<v Speaker 2>these tunnels and cool infrastructure things back in there if

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<v Speaker 2>you have a way to get on that side. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's the trick. Do you have a way to get

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<v Speaker 2>on that side of the river. That's why if the

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<v Speaker 2>guy saw some somebody walking around, is something on two

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<v Speaker 2>legs walking around, it's a ninety percent chance it's a

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<v Speaker 2>sasquatch because or ninety nine percent because there just really

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<v Speaker 2>isn't any way to get over there. For the most part,

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<v Speaker 2>stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

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<v Speaker 2>Bogo will be right back after these messages. Of course,

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<v Speaker 2>that the high Rocks siding might talked about that one,

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<v Speaker 2>or I wrote about that one on the NABC blog.

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<v Speaker 2>Those might have been tracks the pictures I put up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know. The area is really good. And

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<v Speaker 2>then of course I went out on Tuesday. I found

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<v Speaker 2>a sasquatch track out there, and I'm pretty sure. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about eighty percent sure, maybe ninety percent by now that

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<v Speaker 2>it is a known individual that I cast last year,

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<v Speaker 2>not fifty yards away from where I found it this year,

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<v Speaker 2>but about a month before is al So I.

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<v Speaker 4>Was listening to the new members only one for Sasquatch Chronicles,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was a dude that grew up in Sandy

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<v Speaker 4>that had a bunch of stuff happened in the seventies

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<v Speaker 4>and eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. And I've got

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<v Speaker 2>some reports out of Tickle Creek in the eighties. Tickle

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<v Speaker 2>Creek is there's a real, real popular like hiking, sort

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<v Speaker 2>of parky sort of trail.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact.

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<v Speaker 2>I oh, that's another thing. I spoke at the Sandy

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<v Speaker 2>Mountain Festival this past weekend on Saturday as well, like

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<v Speaker 2>the local you know, the beer garden, vendor, community parade

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<v Speaker 2>festival thing. Was talking, Oh I did, they didn't just

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<v Speaker 2>me talking. I wish I had a slide show. I

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<v Speaker 2>think those are cooler. But I brought a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>casts and you know, and talked about stuff and let

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<v Speaker 2>them did a show and tell sort of thing, you know, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But it was nice because I like doing the local

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<v Speaker 2>stuff because that we have a much higher possibility of

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<v Speaker 2>getting their boots in the door than if I did

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<v Speaker 2>a gig in like you know, Florida or something like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and uh, that got that saw. I wanted to say.

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<v Speaker 4>One of the interesting things he reported was they saw

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<v Speaker 4>big male that had one of the hands that had

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<v Speaker 4>white like the back of the hand was all white hair.

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<v Speaker 4>So he's wondered that anyone else had reported seeing a

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<v Speaker 4>white handed squash, like a big one like nine plus foot.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've never heard it. Just the hand was white.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just the hand.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've never heard that before. We do have reports

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<v Speaker 2>of a white one actually back in about I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say nineteen ninety. I think it was about nineteen ninety,

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<v Speaker 2>give or take a couple of years if I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a place out here called a Guide Dogs for

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<v Speaker 2>the Blind. They train guide dogs for the blind. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's all the name. And before the property owner who

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<v Speaker 2>owned it, before they bought it and turned it into

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<v Speaker 2>a commercial facility, there were two sidings on that guy's

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<v Speaker 2>property over a period of a couple months back in

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<v Speaker 2>I think around ninety ninety or ninety one. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>he told this. We have it written down at the shop,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm not at the shop right now. So I

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<v Speaker 2>remember him saying that it was a really bad snow year,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think, if I remember right, I think one

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<v Speaker 2>of the Sasquatches, or maybe the same one that came back.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember. It was a light colored one that

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<v Speaker 2>he described as almost white. So if I remember right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's way. I grew up with like four hundred acres

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<v Speaker 2>and actually a BMX track sits still there is really

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<v Speaker 2>a BMX track. I don't know where that is. We're

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<v Speaker 2>motocross Maybe wouldn't be too surprising. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember when I first moved into this house, I was

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<v Speaker 2>getting some electrical work done and two twenty. Like I

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<v Speaker 2>can do the one ten stuff, it doesn't it scares me,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I've done it, you know, But the two

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<v Speaker 2>twenty stuff, I screw that. I don't want to deal

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<v Speaker 2>with that, so I bring in electricians for that. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting like when I first moved in, I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing the two twenty stuff out in the outbuilding

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<v Speaker 2>and the guy came over. He was a licensed electrician

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<v Speaker 2>and his son who was his apprentice, and his son

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<v Speaker 2>was about twenty two at the time. And this must

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<v Speaker 2>have been in twenty seventeen. He, you know, hanging out

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<v Speaker 2>with me. It doesn't take very long before we started

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<v Speaker 2>talking about sasquatches somehow. So he told me that he

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<v Speaker 2>saw a sasquatch a little bit south of town, then

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit uh west too on logging land company,

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<v Speaker 2>but not like logging like Warehous your land. It was

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<v Speaker 2>actually the Boring Logging Company or something like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that was the name of the company where one

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<v Speaker 2>of those places where I think they store the logs

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<v Speaker 2>and all that, or it's outside of Boring Oregan. He

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<v Speaker 2>and his buddies, I guess were trespassing. They're like when

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<v Speaker 2>they were like sixteen or something like that, trespassing and

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<v Speaker 2>probably drinking some beer or something. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing. But he said that he saw a sasquatch

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<v Speaker 2>over there, which is pretty far in, a lot further

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<v Speaker 2>in than most people would think. But you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean for you and I or whatever, we've done investigations

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<v Speaker 2>literally all over the world. Just because they're in close

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean they didn't see one. I mean, I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>back to my analogy again. The vast majority of fishermen

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<v Speaker 2>cast past the fish, and I think that's true. Of

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<v Speaker 2>sasquatch researchers too. Yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, because they're

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<v Speaker 2>right here.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Bart drives up to Washington a couple of times,

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<v Speaker 4>You're like three times a year Sierra's and then there's

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<v Speaker 4>all these stuff popping up just right you said him,

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<v Speaker 4>like twenty minutes thirty minutes away. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And if you're everybody loves to go to the Olympics,

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<v Speaker 2>I get that. You know, everybody loves to go to

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<v Speaker 2>Bluff Creek, I get that too. But if you're if

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<v Speaker 2>that's the only time. I'm not not saying this about Bart.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Bart does go out in his local woods.

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<v Speaker 2>But if the only time you go bigfooting is when

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<v Speaker 2>you drive six to twelve hours, you should you should

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<v Speaker 2>think again, there's probably sound squatches closer.

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<v Speaker 4>To that, unless you're like in Central Nevada. Definitely something closer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, but almost nobody lives in Central Nevada right exactly,

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<v Speaker 2>probably because there's no big foots there who would want

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<v Speaker 2>to live there unless you're into UFOs, in which case,

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<v Speaker 2>go get them.

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<v Speaker 4>So we got question and answers. I guess rock in today.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumor has it what we got through?

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<v Speaker 3>It got quite a few that came in, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I will alternate. We only got a couple of voicemails

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<v Speaker 3>for this one, so let's start with a written submission,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's in the chat now.

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<v Speaker 4>Carter L. Hey, guys, love the podcast. Do you think

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<v Speaker 4>squatches will ever be comfortable enough to communicate with humans

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<v Speaker 4>directly or to get closer with their hairless cousins us?

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<v Speaker 4>Probably not as a species, but there's been an individual

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<v Speaker 4>accounts of people getting like some kind of relationshipulate that

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<v Speaker 4>they live you know, they live by and like they

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<v Speaker 4>come on their property and putting out food and stuff

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<v Speaker 4>like that, they exchange gifts that I don't know about

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<v Speaker 4>full communication, it seems it's possible. You know, we'll see

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<v Speaker 4>what happens, no doubt it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think whatever interactions are going to be there are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be about the same level as what you'd

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<v Speaker 2>maybe get out of a bear or an elk or

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<v Speaker 2>some other like wildlife. And of course I know sasquatches

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<v Speaker 2>are probably smarter than bears and elk and certainly elk

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<v Speaker 2>and all that kind of stuff, But I think that

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<v Speaker 2>these things are wild animals whatever they are, and no

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<v Speaker 2>matter how human like you think personally that you think

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<v Speaker 2>these things are. They're essentially wild animals that are living

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<v Speaker 2>out there. They don't want anything to do with us.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't understand us. We probably scare them quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes. I mean they come in and interact all the

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<v Speaker 4>time with campers and you know, people working out in

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<v Speaker 4>the wo was They they don't just avoid us at

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<v Speaker 4>all costs. They definitely interact I think for their entertainment

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<v Speaker 4>at times. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The question specifically does say communicate though, And that's where

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<v Speaker 2>that's what trips me up. You know, you can develop

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<v Speaker 2>something of a relationship with them, just like my wife

416
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<v Speaker 2>develops something of a relationship with the whole flock of

417
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<v Speaker 2>squirrels recently, you know. But that's a different thing. But

418
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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to communicate, like, I don't, I just

419
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<v Speaker 2>don't see that. I just any more than like people

420
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<v Speaker 2>living in you know, Simatra might have orangutans in their neighborhood,

421
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<v Speaker 2>you know, or people in Western Africa having chimpanzees around.

422
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<v Speaker 2>You kind of don't want them around, you know. The

423
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<v Speaker 2>I think scrolls are pessed, But can you imagine a

424
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<v Speaker 2>sasquatch that won't go away?

425
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<v Speaker 4>Awesome?

426
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<v Speaker 2>It'd be awesome for me, I think it would scare

427
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<v Speaker 2>the hell out of Melissa though. Oh yeah, yeah, and

428
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<v Speaker 2>also you'd probably scare me eventually too.

429
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<v Speaker 4>It'd be awesome, though you still have to be that scared.

430
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what about that one lady who's lived on the

431
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<v Speaker 2>Hooper reds like feeding them Big Max for a while.

432
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<v Speaker 2>She kind of regret it, didn't she when all, oh,

433
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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a hooper res my mistake.

434
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<v Speaker 4>No, it's Quinnell. Yeah. It tore down her lights when

435
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<v Speaker 4>she didn't bring back big Match. They also they could

436
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<v Speaker 4>smell they had brought back that they were kind of

437
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<v Speaker 4>short on mind, so they didn't want to buy Big

438
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<v Speaker 4>Max for the big foot that just came back, and

439
00:20:16.039 --> 00:20:19.359
<v Speaker 4>they could smell the McDonald's and scream and palette on

440
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<v Speaker 4>the house and broke the lights outside, and you know

441
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<v Speaker 4>it just cause problems. Like she said, they got pretty

442
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<v Speaker 4>upset and they didn't bring back big Macs.

443
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm worried about the squirrels like digging holes under

444
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<v Speaker 2>my chimney and like, but you know, you don't give

445
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<v Speaker 2>a sasquatch a big Mac is going to tear down

446
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<v Speaker 2>the chimney. Yeah, I just I don't personally see that

447
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<v Speaker 2>happening because I don't think it happens very much.

448
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<v Speaker 4>Now.

449
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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes people live in these rural properties and they're aware

450
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<v Speaker 2>of the sasquatches, and certainly the sasquatches are generally aware

451
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<v Speaker 2>of them. I would imagine when they come to some

452
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<v Speaker 2>sort of live and let live sort of attitude. You

453
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<v Speaker 2>see it all the time on reservations, for example, they're

454
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<v Speaker 2>both aware of each other and they both leave each

455
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<v Speaker 2>other alone. I think that that sort of relationship is reasonable.

456
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<v Speaker 2>But as far as communicating with the humans, I'm not

457
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<v Speaker 2>so sure sasquatches would have much to say to us.

458
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<v Speaker 2>That's just me though. That's just my opinion. Who knows

459
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<v Speaker 2>who knows? But so I don't know that that's your

460
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<v Speaker 2>question there. That's your ohl aster answer, at least from

461
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<v Speaker 2>my side. Carter Whew, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

462
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<v Speaker 2>Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after

463
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<v Speaker 2>these messages. Okay, this is from John Hall and he asks,

464
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<v Speaker 2>now that you have doctor Meldrum's collection, do you plan

465
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<v Speaker 2>on releasing any of that information in a book. You

466
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<v Speaker 2>did a great job at the Florida conference. Keep up

467
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<v Speaker 2>the great work, Cliff, Bobo and Mountain Matt Oh Mom.

468
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<v Speaker 3>John is the first sasquatch researcher I ever met in

469
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<v Speaker 3>person went out in the field with I'd been doing

470
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<v Speaker 3>it on my own for a couple of years at

471
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<v Speaker 3>that point and dragging friends out along with me. But

472
00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.319
<v Speaker 3>I'd reached out to so many people with no responses,

473
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<v Speaker 3>and eventually reached out to Mary Green up in Tennessee

474
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<v Speaker 3>and it said, Hey, you know I'm in Georgia. Do

475
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<v Speaker 3>you happen to know anyone else in the Southeast? And

476
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<v Speaker 3>she was like, oh, I know someone in Georgia. I'll

477
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<v Speaker 3>connect you with him. And that was John. And so

478
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<v Speaker 3>that must have been like twenty one years ago now.

479
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<v Speaker 3>So I've had a lot of adventures with John. I've

480
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<v Speaker 3>known him the longest of anybody I've known involved with sasquatry.

481
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<v Speaker 3>And so he's a good dude and told me he

482
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<v Speaker 3>really enjoyed your presentation there in Florida.

483
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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I do plan on releasing some stuff in

484
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<v Speaker 2>book format. A few months ago I kind of started

485
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<v Speaker 2>sitting down to start plucking away at the keyboard and

486
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<v Speaker 2>get things done. And what I quickly found out by

487
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<v Speaker 2>organizing my thoughts, which is still an ongoing challenge, I guess,

488
00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:39.960
<v Speaker 2>is a good way to say it is that I

489
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<v Speaker 2>sat down to write a book, and it turned out

490
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<v Speaker 2>that one or two days into this, it seemed that

491
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<v Speaker 2>I was writing several books because a lot of the

492
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<v Speaker 2>stuff that I'm putting together doesn't seem like it belongs

493
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<v Speaker 2>with the other stuff. I'm not there yet. I will,

494
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<v Speaker 2>I intend if I live long enough, I intend to

495
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<v Speaker 2>write books. Okay, that's one hundred percent yes. But at

496
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<v Speaker 2>this point, I started writing about that handprint on the

497
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<v Speaker 2>roof back in twenty seventeen at our friend Mike's property.

498
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<v Speaker 2>So I thought, well, that's an interesting thing, and that

499
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<v Speaker 2>that you know, that's that's a cool find or whatever,

500
00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:11.759
<v Speaker 2>and a lot of people don't know about that and stuff.

501
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<v Speaker 2>So and I've got cool pictures and I think, you know,

502
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<v Speaker 2>it's real, and so I started, you know, plucking with

503
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<v Speaker 2>that and stuff. And then I started writing this other thing,

504
00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and I realized pretty quickly that I'm writing about various topics.

505
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<v Speaker 2>So I've started realizing I think I'm going to have

506
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<v Speaker 2>to write several books, and that that's where I've kind

507
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<v Speaker 2>of settled at this point. I think this could change.

508
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<v Speaker 2>As literally talking to Daniel Perez yesterday and he says,

509
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<v Speaker 2>you're going to write a book, aren't you? And I said, well, yeah,

510
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<v Speaker 2>I'm workingize you need to get this out so I know, man,

511
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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know. Trust me, yeah right now, And

512
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<v Speaker 2>this may change. You can't hold me to it, is

513
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<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to say. And if you asked me

514
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<v Speaker 2>about it, I may have changed my mind by the

515
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<v Speaker 2>time he asked me. I'm like that. I'm a little fickle.

516
00:23:50.359 --> 00:23:52.680
<v Speaker 2>But I think I'm going to write a book about

517
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<v Speaker 2>interesting cases and what I learned from them, you know,

518
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<v Speaker 2>like the handprint on the roof stuff, for example. I think,

519
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<v Speaker 2>so interesting cases I've been involved in and what I've

520
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<v Speaker 2>learned from them, I think that's interesting. I think I'm

521
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<v Speaker 2>going to write a book maybe on what I think

522
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<v Speaker 2>is going on with sasquatches, or that might actually be

523
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<v Speaker 2>the same book, because what I think I've learned about

524
00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>sasquatches generally came about through people I've spoken to, but

525
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:20.359
<v Speaker 2>mostly stuff that I've seen with my own eyes. Because

526
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:22.960
<v Speaker 2>I think everybody, all the listeners of the podcast here

527
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:26.079
<v Speaker 2>know that I put more emphasis on my own personal

528
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:29.119
<v Speaker 2>observations and interpretations of those things than I do in

529
00:24:29.200 --> 00:24:32.640
<v Speaker 2>other people's interpretations, don't I don't give my power away

530
00:24:32.680 --> 00:24:34.559
<v Speaker 2>to other people to tell me what to think. I

531
00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:36.920
<v Speaker 2>just not, like, I'm not that kind of guy. I'm

532
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:39.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of stubborn and independent and stuff like that. But

533
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>then I've got, you know, a ton of stuff on

534
00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.119
<v Speaker 2>the Blues, and I hear I see online these people

535
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<v Speaker 2>like I don't post on Facebook or anything like that,

536
00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:50.839
<v Speaker 2>and I try to steer clear. But when I do

537
00:24:51.000 --> 00:24:53.519
<v Speaker 2>have to go on there, I see people who don't

538
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.759
<v Speaker 2>know anything, just spreading rumors and lies about the Blue Mountains.

539
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<v Speaker 2>It's like like, I know these things are saying are

540
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.440
<v Speaker 2>not true, but yet they're out there. And you know,

541
00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:06.440
<v Speaker 2>the more this misinformation gets spread about, the worse it is.

542
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:10.240
<v Speaker 2>You know, like I've seen it in print where people

543
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:14.079
<v Speaker 2>are citing other authors like Daigling and those guys, you know,

544
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.039
<v Speaker 2>citing other authors and what they said about the Blues

545
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.559
<v Speaker 2>as if it's gospel. But it turns out that they're

546
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:23.400
<v Speaker 2>wrong about stuff. Like, for example, there's this rumor out

547
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:26.960
<v Speaker 2>there that Paul Freeman worked at an orthopedic shoe factory.

548
00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:29.599
<v Speaker 2>And I literally last night this is super interesting too.

549
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting in the Meldring room last night and

550
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<v Speaker 2>I ran across a letter from Renee to Hinden, to

551
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:38.400
<v Speaker 2>vance Orchard, I believe, And Renee said, I heard a

552
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<v Speaker 2>rumor that he worked in an orthopedic shoe factory, and

553
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>that would explain how these dramatic glyphics got in there.

554
00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:49.759
<v Speaker 2>And the woman who told me was told by somebody else,

555
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<v Speaker 2>and it was like this ethereal line of evidence that

556
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<v Speaker 2>like it was just a rumor that somebody kind of

557
00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.599
<v Speaker 2>made up to explain away this dramaticlyphics thing, you know,

558
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 2>And I think that might have been the source of it.

559
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.960
<v Speaker 2>So and I asked Michael Freeman, Michael, you know your dad.

560
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 2>You knew your dad. He's dead, of course, but like

561
00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:10.839
<v Speaker 2>you knew your dad pretty well. Did he ever work

562
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<v Speaker 2>at an orthopedic shoe factory? And he goes, not that

563
00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I know of. No, he was a butcher. He was

564
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<v Speaker 2>a nighttime butcher in Walla, Walla. And when he lives

565
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:22.799
<v Speaker 2>in Camus he owned a delicatessen. Yeah, so that isn't

566
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<v Speaker 2>the description of a guy who's familiar with the anatomy

567
00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:29.799
<v Speaker 2>of feet and skin texture, you know, to me at least,

568
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:33.680
<v Speaker 2>you know so that people are overestimating Paul unfortunately. Night

569
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.000
<v Speaker 2>he's a smart guy, but you know, not super literate,

570
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 2>almost never read, almost never wrote. So anyway, I digress,

571
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:43.519
<v Speaker 2>But I'm writing a book about the Blues essentially to

572
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:48.200
<v Speaker 2>set the record straight, you know, because I have with

573
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<v Speaker 2>doctor Meltrim's files came numerous, like forty recordings of vance

574
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<v Speaker 2>Orchard interviewing people for his books. And so I mean,

575
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<v Speaker 2>we have vance Orchard's books, which are fantastic, by the way,

576
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.039
<v Speaker 2>pick him up, Thank goodness, fans Orchard was there documenting

577
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:04.799
<v Speaker 2>what was going on in the Blue Mountains at that time.

578
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Bigfoot of the Blues is my top ten fifteen

579
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:09.160
<v Speaker 4>for sure.

580
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:11.839
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Bigfoot of the Blues and Walla Walla Bigfoot,

581
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:14.079
<v Speaker 2>both of those. Yeah, Like, if you're interested in the

582
00:27:14.279 --> 00:27:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Blue Mountain stuff, you gotta read that stuff. It's and

583
00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.240
<v Speaker 2>it's very folksy and everything. It's great and it's great.

584
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 2>But I want to do a more perhaps a little

585
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:24.599
<v Speaker 2>more left brain version of that and just go case

586
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:27.160
<v Speaker 2>by case by case. Like another one of these huge

587
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:30.480
<v Speaker 2>misconceptions about the Blue Mountains, and it's thrown around on

588
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:32.680
<v Speaker 2>these Facebook pages all the time like it was fact,

589
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and everybody pats each other on the back. Oh, you're

590
00:27:35.039 --> 00:27:38.599
<v Speaker 2>so smart, because you're debunked Freeman again, but you're lying

591
00:27:38.759 --> 00:27:41.319
<v Speaker 2>about the fact it's so ridiculous is that the whole

592
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Blue Mountain stuff started on June tenth, nineteen eighty two,

593
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:47.920
<v Speaker 2>when Paul Freeman saw that sasquatch and ended when Paul

594
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Freeman left the Blue Mountains. One of the biggest lies

595
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:54.359
<v Speaker 2>ever told about it. Absolute ridiculous. And of course Peter

596
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Burns book doesn't help that at all. He says that

597
00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:58.680
<v Speaker 2>I just read it a couple months ago again, and

598
00:27:58.799 --> 00:28:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I was astonished at the bad information that guy had

599
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:03.759
<v Speaker 2>and was putting out in a book. It was very

600
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:06.480
<v Speaker 2>disheartening about how the Blue Mountains are what he refers

601
00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:09.279
<v Speaker 2>to as a dead zone where there should be sasquatches there,

602
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.559
<v Speaker 2>but there are absolutely no bigfoots there whatsoever. It's like, oh,

603
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:16.559
<v Speaker 2>what a ridiculous, dumb thing to say, honestly, And because

604
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:19.200
<v Speaker 2>there are sighting reports that Van s Orchard documented in

605
00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.279
<v Speaker 2>the late eighteen hundreds of sasquatches. There's another one in

606
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.359
<v Speaker 2>I think I think the forties if I remember right.

607
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, of course I'm a little squishy on that one,

608
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:29.240
<v Speaker 2>not that it happened, but the nineteen forties state it

609
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 2>might have been the fifties. I remember in the late

610
00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixties footprints were found on Mill Creek Road, which

611
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:36.160
<v Speaker 2>is the same place that a lot of stuff still

612
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 2>happens today. Roger Patterson himself came out to investigate. In fact,

613
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.839
<v Speaker 2>and in the nineteen seventies there was more stuff. It's

614
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>like everywhere else. The Bigfoots were there before, and the

615
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:48.559
<v Speaker 2>bigfoots were there after. Paul left as well. I mean

616
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 2>the last two years. I was out there. Last year

617
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:54.559
<v Speaker 2>and the year before I cast footprints on both of

618
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.160
<v Speaker 2>my trips. So again, yeah, I'm putting this stuff into books.

619
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<v Speaker 2>I'm writing a book on the Blues. I'm working on it,

620
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<v Speaker 2>but I'm writing a book on what I think is

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<v Speaker 2>up with sasquatches, like behaviors and stuff like that, which

622
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<v Speaker 2>may or may not be the same book as interesting

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<v Speaker 2>cases that I've personally investigated and what I think I've

624
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<v Speaker 2>learned from them. But honestly, don't you don't need to

625
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<v Speaker 2>ask me when is your book coming out this year?

626
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<v Speaker 2>It's not. I'll be lucky to get out and get

627
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<v Speaker 2>any of these out in twenty twenty seven, because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>still organizing. I'm still I mean, Bobo, you saw the room,

629
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<v Speaker 2>man like, it's a monumental task to get things in

630
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<v Speaker 2>order out.

631
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<v Speaker 4>There and jam.

632
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I'm literally still organizing not only the files

633
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<v Speaker 2>and whatnot, but at the same time, I'm trying to

634
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<v Speaker 2>figure out what does the workflow look like for any

635
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<v Speaker 2>of these projects. And I think last night, when I

636
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 2>ran across that de Hinden letter, and there are a

637
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:50.119
<v Speaker 2>couple of other things in this particular folder as well,

638
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I think what my workflow has got to be is

639
00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I just got to have to take my computer out

640
00:29:54.759 --> 00:29:59.000
<v Speaker 2>there and sit down and rummage through stuff, and when

641
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<v Speaker 2>I find something, write a couple of paragraphs about it,

642
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<v Speaker 2>and then take a picture of the document, feed it

643
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<v Speaker 2>into a special folder on my computer, and so I

644
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<v Speaker 2>can work on it wherever I am, whether I'm in

645
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<v Speaker 2>the house or on the road at a gig or whatever.

646
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm trying to figure out a way to

647
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<v Speaker 2>do this because there's so much stuff out there. And

648
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<v Speaker 2>when I rummaged through papers, just like you and I did, Bobo,

649
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I run across these these nuggets of information that would

650
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<v Speaker 2>be fantastic for a book. But you know, I got

651
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<v Speaker 2>to remember to take that nugget up to the house

652
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<v Speaker 2>and write some paragraphs about it. It's not as easy

653
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<v Speaker 2>as I mean, Matt. You know, Matt, you wrote a

654
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<v Speaker 2>book already, but it's just not as easy as people

655
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<v Speaker 2>think it might be. Yeah, one of the things I'm

656
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<v Speaker 2>going to do in one of these books is write

657
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<v Speaker 2>a chapter, or if I can get enough stuff, maybe

658
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:47.640
<v Speaker 2>a whole book on cold cases. You know, cause I

659
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:49.960
<v Speaker 2>think I did some pretty okay work on the Bossberg stuff,

660
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.960
<v Speaker 2>uncovered some new things that nobody knew about, and just

661
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.599
<v Speaker 2>recently I made another discovery in the realm of Bluff Creek.

662
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:58.799
<v Speaker 2>I think I showed both of you guys that, and

663
00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.640
<v Speaker 2>actually I shared it with Daniel, So if you do describe,

664
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.359
<v Speaker 2>if you do subscribe to his newsletter, you'll hear about

665
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 2>this thing next month. But yeah, a new discovery in

666
00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>Bluff Creek and from the early days, the nineteen fifty

667
00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.440
<v Speaker 2>eight to nineteen sixty five days, we'll just call it

668
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.039
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifty eight to sixties you know that whole realm,

669
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>new discovery has been made that nobody's ever written about before.

670
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:21.680
<v Speaker 2>So I let Daniel publish it because you know, he

671
00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 2>likes that stuff and whatever. He's always been a good

672
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:26.759
<v Speaker 2>friend of mine. But yeah, I'll flesh it out, as

673
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:28.799
<v Speaker 2>well as a bunch of other discoveries that I've made

674
00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 2>now of the early nineteen sixties stuff. I think all

675
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:32.839
<v Speaker 2>that stuff's going to go into a chapter in one

676
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:34.720
<v Speaker 2>of these books, you know. So I don't know, I've

677
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 2>got a lot to write about. I just wish I

678
00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>had more time to write.

679
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:39.480
<v Speaker 4>So very good.

680
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

681
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Will be right back after these messages. All right, let's

682
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<v Speaker 2>queue up the first voicemail here.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, Bobo, Cliff and Matt Own from upstate New York.

684
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.039
<v Speaker 5>And I've been a huge fan for about three four

685
00:32:03.119 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 5>years since I started watching the show with my grandma.

686
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.160
<v Speaker 5>And I was really listening to the Fred Roll episodes,

687
00:32:08.200 --> 00:32:11.200
<v Speaker 5>you know, the guy who has Subarctic Alaska sasquatch, And

688
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.839
<v Speaker 5>I was thinking about other reports that I've heard, and

689
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:18.359
<v Speaker 5>I was thinking Alaskan sasquatches tend to be a lot taller, leaner,

690
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:21.400
<v Speaker 5>and aggressive than the ones that we have down here

691
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.680
<v Speaker 5>in the forty eight based off of reports. Now, I

692
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:27.400
<v Speaker 5>was wondering if these could be like a distinct subspecies

693
00:32:27.559 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 5>of some kind or something like that, and if so,

694
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:35.680
<v Speaker 5>what do you think the geographic or like environmental divide

695
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.279
<v Speaker 5>could be that makes these a distinct subspecies. I'd love

696
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:41.079
<v Speaker 5>to hear your thoughts.

697
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Thanks a lot, guys.

698
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:46.920
<v Speaker 5>One more question, who does the intro theme? It's such

699
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:49.680
<v Speaker 5>a funny theme. Me and my mom quota all the time.

700
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I'd love to hear that too.

701
00:32:51.960 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, thanks for that one.

702
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.240
<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you guys enjoy it. That's all me. All

703
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:57.480
<v Speaker 3>the intros that have done the little jingles, I'll get

704
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:59.839
<v Speaker 3>an idea and I do them pretty quick and slop

705
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:02.599
<v Speaker 3>so as rock and roll should be done. So yeah,

706
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:04.680
<v Speaker 3>I came up with that theme and then played out

707
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.079
<v Speaker 3>like the drums, guitars, bass, saying it all in about

708
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.200
<v Speaker 3>like twenty minutes. So it's a lot of fun. It's

709
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.400
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a spin on, at least chord wise,

710
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:14.880
<v Speaker 3>the motif. I was aiming for a little bit of

711
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 3>a Queen's we heard the champions, So glad to hear that.

712
00:33:17.720 --> 00:33:20.480
<v Speaker 4>You guys enjoy it. Yeah, I definitely think there could

713
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 4>be subspeed. I think there's definitely subspecies. I mean neither

714
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 4>the killer well now I know there's like six subspecies

715
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:28.160
<v Speaker 4>of them around before everyone just looking at it orca

716
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:31.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, and I think I think it's similar, gonna

717
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:32.920
<v Speaker 4>be similar with the squatch. I think there's gonna be

718
00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:36.000
<v Speaker 4>little variations, like you know, different when you get in

719
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.359
<v Speaker 4>different geographic regions.

720
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Are enough of part Yeah, I don't think there's a subspecies. Yeah,

721
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 2>but not enough data to say that yet. And I

722
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>think that behavioral differences does not make a these species

723
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>or subspecies in anyway. If and I even wonder if

724
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.640
<v Speaker 2>there's a strong tendency for the Alaskan ones to be

725
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:54.880
<v Speaker 2>leaner like you said, I would think they're actually more

726
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>robust and larger, taller, and thicker because of Bergman's rule.

727
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:00.759
<v Speaker 2>I would also wonder if it's if it's a matter

728
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>of human interpretation that these things are more aggressive, just

729
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.680
<v Speaker 2>like in Australia, all the literature says, oh, they're cannibals,

730
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:09.239
<v Speaker 2>are going to kill us and blah blah blah. But

731
00:34:09.320 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 2>these are Australian folks are in the woods, oftentimes with

732
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.199
<v Speaker 2>pittiloafers on. So I'm not there like where we were.

733
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:16.119
<v Speaker 2>At least it was a beach culture, not a mountain culture.

734
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.199
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's a human interpretation. So I question

735
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:23.360
<v Speaker 2>those things. I sincerely question those assumptions.

736
00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 4>Could be a big height for walking through snowdrows half

737
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:28.159
<v Speaker 4>the year or three quarters of the.

738
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Year could be I guess it could be. But at

739
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.079
<v Speaker 2>the same time that being so cold, you would think

740
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:36.400
<v Speaker 2>they would be more spherically shaped to retain heat, you know,

741
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:40.079
<v Speaker 2>and that the larger massive surface ratio thing, the Bergman's rule,

742
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:43.800
<v Speaker 2>So I would I don't, I would question those assumptions

743
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 2>at this point.

744
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:47.760
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, and I know we've talked about it before,

745
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 3>but we should definitely, you know, if you're interested in

746
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:52.559
<v Speaker 3>those questions. I went out, I would definitely read Robert

747
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Alley's Raincoast Sasquatch. And there's a couple of other Alaska

748
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.760
<v Speaker 3>oriented books that he's written subsequently, but that one's definitely

749
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:02.119
<v Speaker 3>like the source material, and it's I guess you could

750
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.880
<v Speaker 3>say it's mostly coastal oriented, so it's not as much

751
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:10.000
<v Speaker 3>interior elastic east, but man, it's it's still a great book,

752
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.280
<v Speaker 3>and you'll I think he's balanced enough that you'll see

753
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.199
<v Speaker 3>the similarities between the reports in those regions and the

754
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.000
<v Speaker 3>reports around the rest of the continent.

755
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.039
<v Speaker 4>Well, most of most of Roberts and Raincoast Subsquatches is

756
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.360
<v Speaker 4>a very southeast which is like semi temperate rainforest, whereas

757
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:27.679
<v Speaker 4>subargic Alaska is a whole nother trip.

758
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:28.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

759
00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.239
<v Speaker 3>I mean I could see that there would be some regional,

760
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, clinal differences, but it's so hard to say

761
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.880
<v Speaker 3>in terms of the subspecies question, because I think at

762
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:40.840
<v Speaker 3>one point the subspecies of American black bear had gotten

763
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.559
<v Speaker 3>up to like sixteen subspecies, and then genetics came along

764
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:46.599
<v Speaker 3>and realized, like, no, most of those are spurious, they

765
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.719
<v Speaker 3>don't really qualify as subspecies. So I think there was

766
00:35:49.760 --> 00:35:52.599
<v Speaker 3>a bit of a drive amongst researchers to sort of

767
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.840
<v Speaker 3>identify slight differences and then be able to you know,

768
00:35:57.000 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 3>name a new subspecies after themselves, or be able to

769
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.480
<v Speaker 3>claim some discovery. But so maybe there is, but I

770
00:36:02.599 --> 00:36:04.840
<v Speaker 3>tend to be a lumper and not a splitter, so

771
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, there might be regional variations, but I sort

772
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:11.440
<v Speaker 3>of doubt that there would be marked subspecies. But what

773
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 3>about Fleet Darby. I think globally certainly there would be.

774
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 3>There would have to be enough cut off of you know,

775
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.800
<v Speaker 3>gene flow between Asia and North America. For example, although

776
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:25.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean some species remain unchanged. I think the wolverine

777
00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:29.440
<v Speaker 3>is still gulo gulu in Asia as it is in

778
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:33.280
<v Speaker 3>North America, even though obviously they're not exchanging genetics for

779
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 3>that very very very long time, you know, many tens

780
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:40.119
<v Speaker 3>of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. But i'd

781
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:42.320
<v Speaker 3>have to see if that's still true of other animals

782
00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:46.400
<v Speaker 3>that are both here and in Asia. You know, brown

783
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:47.679
<v Speaker 3>bears would be a great example.

784
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Really, Gulo gulo.

785
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.159
<v Speaker 3>Yep, that's the species and genus.

786
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 2>It means glutton, glutton. It reminds me of about goony google.

787
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Remember what is it Eddie Murphy delirious? Is that what

788
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it was when he wrote that, like red leather suit

789
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:03.800
<v Speaker 2>or whatever? And it was really popular back in the day.

790
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 4>Yep.

791
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:06.280
<v Speaker 2>He had a bit about bigfoot in there, and I

792
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:09.480
<v Speaker 2>think he said that the goony googu or something like that,

793
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:13.119
<v Speaker 2>didn't he I don't remember. That could be wrong, I

794
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>offer him, but that's what that's what my frail memory

795
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 2>is telling me. It's been a long time anyway. Should

796
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:19.360
<v Speaker 2>we go to the next question?

797
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, here is your next written submission, Bobo.

798
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:29.400
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, Georgido, great show as always. Why was Robert W.

799
00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:32.519
<v Speaker 4>Morgan not as well known as the Four Horsemen Sasquatchy.

800
00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:37.239
<v Speaker 4>Shouldn't he be a horseman too? Good question, Well.

801
00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.199
<v Speaker 3>He's definitely like a next gin. He would have come

802
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 3>up mostly in the seventies, so, you know, well after

803
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.159
<v Speaker 3>the established four horsemen, although I guess Grants was like

804
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:49.079
<v Speaker 3>a last shoe in at the tail end of the

805
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:53.239
<v Speaker 3>sixties there. But Morgan, I think had some exposure and

806
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 3>some notoriety, and he was definitely good at spreading the

807
00:37:57.559 --> 00:38:00.280
<v Speaker 3>word and getting you know, he had a few fishually

808
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.360
<v Speaker 3>sponsored projects, and there were films made about those. But

809
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:06.079
<v Speaker 3>and I enjoyed Robert Morgan's stuff.

810
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:06.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, I met him.

811
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.639
<v Speaker 3>Some of the first interviews I ever did, almost twenty

812
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.039
<v Speaker 3>years ago, were on his old blog talk radio show.

813
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.400
<v Speaker 3>But I don't think he made contributions nearly as significant

814
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:18.920
<v Speaker 3>as at least Green and Krantz did.

815
00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 4>No.

816
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, of course he had the American YETI expedition up here,

817
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 2>and he cast a couple of prints through the day

818
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:28.239
<v Speaker 2>over the over the years, if I remember right, like,

819
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I have one of them. Actually it was cast on

820
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:32.159
<v Speaker 2>this guy's property, and I know his brother, and you know,

821
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:34.480
<v Speaker 2>so I ended up getting the original cast over there

822
00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:38.000
<v Speaker 2>at Bunkcombe Hollow, Bunkcombe Hollow is the name of the

823
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 2>place over by a like Merwin, I think it is,

824
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:42.679
<v Speaker 2>or maybe swift Breservoir, But I think it was like

825
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:45.719
<v Speaker 2>Merwin if I remember right. But yeah, it just I

826
00:38:45.880 --> 00:38:48.800
<v Speaker 2>think that a lot of his stuff. I spoke to

827
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 2>the guy who's kind of in control of his records

828
00:38:51.239 --> 00:38:53.199
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and the guy wasn't even aware that he

829
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 2>was a bigfooter. He did so many other things. He's

830
00:38:56.400 --> 00:38:58.800
<v Speaker 2>somehow tied up in like some sort of like CIA

831
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 2>or FBI thing, And yet was he a treasure hun

832
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.320
<v Speaker 2>or two? He might have been. I know he had

833
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>one of those like sort of like kind of like

834
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:07.440
<v Speaker 2>a life like Peter Burn, where he had so many

835
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>things going and it seems so ridiculous and awesome and

836
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:12.960
<v Speaker 2>everything just like that's what was going. He was everywhere,

837
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:16.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, but I think he was maybe he was

838
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>just too diffuse in his efforts.

839
00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:21.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was such a character. I remember people describing

840
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Speaker 3>him to me as like a big personality. And then

841
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:26.239
<v Speaker 3>you know, and I saw some of those documentaries and

842
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, read some of his books. I was like, oh, yeah,

843
00:39:28.519 --> 00:39:31.039
<v Speaker 3>he's definitely this big personality. And I remember one of

844
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.880
<v Speaker 3>I was on his podcast twice in podcasts, you know,

845
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.360
<v Speaker 3>his blog talk radio, but essentially early podcast And I

846
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 3>remember one of the times it might have been the

847
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.239
<v Speaker 3>first time i'd met a friend of his who was like, oh,

848
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:44.000
<v Speaker 3>you should ask this young guy to come on and

849
00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.760
<v Speaker 3>talk about his experiences and his research in North Georgia.

850
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:48.679
<v Speaker 3>And I wouldn't have had a whole lot of value

851
00:39:48.719 --> 00:39:50.920
<v Speaker 3>to say anyway, So I'm certainly not lamenting it, but

852
00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 3>I remember being so excited and then that came on

853
00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:55.840
<v Speaker 3>and SA and he had said, let me ask you something.

854
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.480
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever seen tracks that did I can't even

855
00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.000
<v Speaker 3>remember what the that up was, you know, have you

856
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 3>ever seen tracks that exhibited X, Y and Z because

857
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:06.199
<v Speaker 3>one time and then he told his story for an

858
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:08.679
<v Speaker 3>hour and then at the end was like, well, that's

859
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:10.960
<v Speaker 3>all the time we have for tonight. See I don't

860
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:13.880
<v Speaker 3>think I said a word the entire time as the guest,

861
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:16.199
<v Speaker 3>and so it did. It didn't offend me or anything

862
00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:17.760
<v Speaker 3>like that, but I was like, oh, yeah, he's definitely

863
00:40:17.880 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 3>like this a big ball of sort of charisma, you

864
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean, just sort of a very much

865
00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:24.960
<v Speaker 3>a cult of personality sort of a guy.

866
00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.320
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's that's a good that's a good description cult

867
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 4>the personal I say, he came to the last I

868
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.760
<v Speaker 4>went to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference like six years ago

869
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 4>or whatever. He was there. We'll take a picture with

870
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:39.760
<v Speaker 4>him and on the stage and he got a special

871
00:40:39.840 --> 00:40:43.960
<v Speaker 4>recognition award from Mark for Ohio big Footing. And he

872
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:45.360
<v Speaker 4>kept saying to me, like, what are you doing up

873
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.039
<v Speaker 4>here on this stage? I said, well, I spoke like

874
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:50.039
<v Speaker 4>just a minute ago, and he goes, who are you?

875
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.599
<v Speaker 4>What are you doing here? I just was laughing one

876
00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:55.559
<v Speaker 4>that is those are fair questions, but yeah, it was

877
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.519
<v Speaker 4>actually seeking So I guess that's why I'm up here.

878
00:40:58.360 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Was that the twenty twenty one conference.

879
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.320
<v Speaker 3>No, I was at one Ohio conference that he was at,

880
00:41:03.440 --> 00:41:04.960
<v Speaker 3>and so I got to meet him in person and

881
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.480
<v Speaker 3>speak with him. And then he gave a talk about

882
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.239
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the things that he had done insult

883
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.719
<v Speaker 3>Fork decades ago, and track finds that he had made

884
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:16.199
<v Speaker 3>their I think maybe in the eighties or it could

885
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:17.559
<v Speaker 3>have been in the nineties, but it was it was

886
00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:20.639
<v Speaker 3>several decades prior. So it was really interesting to meet

887
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:22.599
<v Speaker 3>him and see him. And you know, I enjoy parts

888
00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.519
<v Speaker 3>of his what's the Small Yellow Book called? I think

889
00:41:25.559 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 3>it's like the Bigfoot Field Observer's Manual or something like that.

890
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:31.880
<v Speaker 3>I think there's some useful stuff in there. But yeah,

891
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:33.000
<v Speaker 3>he's definitely a character.

892
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 4>You know.

893
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.840
<v Speaker 3>I definitely enjoyed the guy, But I don't think, and

894
00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 3>just in all fairness, I don't think that he necessarily

895
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.760
<v Speaker 3>made the sort of contributions that would land him in

896
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:47.079
<v Speaker 3>that sort of luminary category that we think of the

897
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.280
<v Speaker 3>other four horsemen as and to me is specifically John

898
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:51.360
<v Speaker 3>Green and Grover Krantz.

899
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would agree with that.

900
00:41:53.760 --> 00:41:56.719
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's always been a problem for me putting Crash

901
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.079
<v Speaker 4>in with the four Horses, because basically he started basically

902
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.599
<v Speaker 4>the seventies. He's like late or nineteen sixty hours his

903
00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 4>first Tommy dipped his toe into the squatch pool and

904
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.599
<v Speaker 4>then so he's really got from the seventies and eighties nineties.

905
00:42:09.079 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 4>I think the four horse were the guys that started

906
00:42:10.800 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 4>in the fifties.

907
00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, which I guess would technically be I mean, the

908
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:17.480
<v Speaker 3>first real field researchers, I guess you would have to

909
00:42:17.559 --> 00:42:20.440
<v Speaker 3>say would be that Pacific Northwest Expedition, and so it

910
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:26.760
<v Speaker 3>would be Green, Detendon, Ivan Marx, Bob Titmas and Peter burn, yeah.

911
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Because they work together though, But you know, elsewhere, Cliff Olsen,

912
00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.199
<v Speaker 2>the late great Cliff Olsen, he saw a sasquatch in

913
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:36.519
<v Speaker 2>the late fifties and started looking into it then and

914
00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 2>he never stopped until he died.

915
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Did he ever publish anything? I know that name, but

916
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.559
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember if I've read any of his works

917
00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:44.280
<v Speaker 3>or anything like that.

918
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.519
<v Speaker 2>Now. He never wrote his own thing, but he and

919
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Joe Blart pulled their efforts together and Joe produced that

920
00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:52.199
<v Speaker 2>The Big but Highway Book, which is excellent, of course,

921
00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>very folks seeing down to earth and a lot of

922
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 2>fun to read and stuff. But so that's a lot

923
00:42:56.599 --> 00:42:59.719
<v Speaker 2>of Cliff Olsen's work with Joe b. Lart, because those

924
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:02.239
<v Speaker 2>guys teamed up, and I kind of viewed Cliff and

925
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.519
<v Speaker 2>Joe as being like the second generation of Bigfooters in

926
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.599
<v Speaker 2>a way, you know, yeah, because even though the you

927
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:11.119
<v Speaker 2>know the well, Cliff is dead when Joe's pretty old

928
00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:12.960
<v Speaker 2>at this point. But in fact I got a call

929
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:13.800
<v Speaker 2>from Joe for to day.

930
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:14.800
<v Speaker 4>Actually so nice guy.

931
00:43:15.079 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, I think that there's kind of the second

932
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:19.280
<v Speaker 2>gen of Bigfoots. But Cliff was there at the very

933
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.760
<v Speaker 2>beginning of it all. I don't know, But again I

934
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.840
<v Speaker 2>never asked him about that before he passed. He was

935
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.840
<v Speaker 2>a friend of mine. We'd go at the breakfast and

936
00:43:25.840 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 2>see each other. And he came to the museum right

937
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>when it opened because he died shortly thereafter. But just

938
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.360
<v Speaker 2>one of those guys, like in one of those unsung heroes.

939
00:43:33.760 --> 00:43:36.280
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I would say when it comes to those

940
00:43:36.400 --> 00:43:38.320
<v Speaker 3>luminaries or the people that we think of as the

941
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:40.639
<v Speaker 3>four horsemen. And again I would not apply this as

942
00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:43.000
<v Speaker 3>heavily to to Hinden or Burn, but I think that

943
00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:46.239
<v Speaker 3>there are things that people contributed that are the basis

944
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 3>of so much other work that other work is dependent

945
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:51.480
<v Speaker 3>on it. And of course that at work is being

946
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.760
<v Speaker 3>rechecked and reverified, so to speak, or at least tested

947
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 3>to see if it remains consistent or certain ideas or

948
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:02.039
<v Speaker 3>concepts or hypotheses or patterns, et cetera. But I think

949
00:44:02.360 --> 00:44:05.159
<v Speaker 3>much of what Green did is kind of, at least

950
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:09.360
<v Speaker 3>within the canon of Sasquatchrey, very axiomatic. And I think

951
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.760
<v Speaker 3>a lot of Krantz's work is also fairly axiomatic to

952
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Sasquatchrey itself. I think those would be the defining criteria.

953
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 3>Whereas Napier obviously is the first real anthropologist to get

954
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.000
<v Speaker 3>involved and published on it in a way, but he

955
00:44:23.079 --> 00:44:26.920
<v Speaker 3>didn't really contribute anything that was axiomatic, and Morgan certainly

956
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.119
<v Speaker 3>didn't either, I would say, and then there are other

957
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:32.719
<v Speaker 3>people subsequently. You know, if George, if you're not a member,

958
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:34.639
<v Speaker 3>I know that name is very familiar. I know we've

959
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:37.840
<v Speaker 3>answered multiple questions from George edo before. I can't remember

960
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.280
<v Speaker 3>if George as one of the pigeons or not, but

961
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 3>we did a whole pigeon episode about other people that

962
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:46.320
<v Speaker 3>we think made big contributions that should be included in

963
00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 3>this idea of I think I called it Unsung Heroes

964
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:53.400
<v Speaker 3>and Various horse Folk. It was the name of the episode,

965
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:56.480
<v Speaker 3>and so that was definitely worth revisiting, and in fact,

966
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.960
<v Speaker 3>maybe I'll throw that as a bonus in this feed

967
00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:01.599
<v Speaker 3>at some point for people who are not members, if

968
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:03.519
<v Speaker 3>you want to hear members only episodes from the past

969
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.119
<v Speaker 3>where we cover a lot of these people. Because that

970
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:08.239
<v Speaker 3>was a really fun conversation, I think that'd be worth

971
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:10.639
<v Speaker 3>tossing out here to people. But to me, that would

972
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.599
<v Speaker 3>be the big criteria. It's like, are there things that

973
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.199
<v Speaker 3>we operate on now that are sort of foundational that

974
00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Speaker 3>if you kick the legs out from under it, we'd

975
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:19.800
<v Speaker 3>have to go back to the drawing board on a

976
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.400
<v Speaker 3>lot of things. And I would say yes to John

977
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.880
<v Speaker 3>Green doing that, and yes to Krantz doing that, and

978
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:28.159
<v Speaker 3>not so much Robert W. Morgan, although he was very

979
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:32.760
<v Speaker 3>active and influential, but not necessarily like I said, axiomatic.

980
00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 4>Now, I'm going to get a definition for acxiomatic, a

981
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.760
<v Speaker 4>foundational approach in mathematics and logic where a concept system

982
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 4>of theory is defined by a set of basic self

983
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:46.440
<v Speaker 4>evident truths called axioms, rather than describing the concept and

984
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.199
<v Speaker 4>simpler the terms gat to look that up when you

985
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:50.840
<v Speaker 4>were talking about it. Very good.

986
00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

987
00:45:58.400 --> 00:45:59.960
<v Speaker 2>Will be right back after these messages.

988
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:11.440
<v Speaker 3>This I thought was an interesting hypothetical question here and

989
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:13.119
<v Speaker 3>there it is for you, Cliff.

990
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and it comes from Brian Levigne. I asked Gemini

991
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.840
<v Speaker 2>what percentage of North Americans believe in Sasquatch. Its answer

992
00:46:21.079 --> 00:46:24.920
<v Speaker 2>was between eleven percent and twenty eight percent, approximately eighty

993
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 2>million people. That's a lot of bumper stickers. Many of

994
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>us know the sasquatches exist. But how many quote unquote

995
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:35.880
<v Speaker 2>true believers do you guys think are out there?

996
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:37.719
<v Speaker 4>Nors are believers?

997
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.559
<v Speaker 2>He wrote true believers in quotation marks. So that's and

998
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:43.840
<v Speaker 2>again that's where I always get tripped up. It's like,

999
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.480
<v Speaker 2>but he said this, but he said this, you know,

1000
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.079
<v Speaker 2>so I think a lot more people believe than no,

1001
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.760
<v Speaker 2>that's for sure. I think a lot more people believe

1002
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:54.960
<v Speaker 2>than have evidence or even aware of the evidence. I

1003
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.039
<v Speaker 2>think it's like, like last week I went to go

1004
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 2>see that comedian Rodney Norman. You know, he came to

1005
00:46:59.599 --> 00:47:01.440
<v Speaker 2>the musing him and he's super funny. To check him out.

1006
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 2>He he's hilarious, and he says, I believe because that's

1007
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 2>because I want to believe, you know, I want to believe.

1008
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:09.639
<v Speaker 2>He said, I want to believe in everything. Well that's

1009
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>not a real strong place to come from, but literally,

1010
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.800
<v Speaker 2>in my life that would be a shot down pretty quick.

1011
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:17.760
<v Speaker 2>But you are a Santa comedian, so have Adam, and

1012
00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:18.280
<v Speaker 2>that's awesome.

1013
00:47:19.280 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 4>But true believers, the eleven percent sounds about right, and

1014
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:25.079
<v Speaker 4>then twenty eight percent for like those are like probably

1015
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.000
<v Speaker 4>like could be like leaning more towards that than not,

1016
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:29.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, probably something like that.

1017
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:32.519
<v Speaker 2>I bet it's geographical though, because I think in the

1018
00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:36.119
<v Speaker 2>Pacific Northwest, I bet you I wouldn't be surprised as

1019
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 2>something close to forty percent of the people up here

1020
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 2>probably think there might be something to it. I heard.

1021
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 4>I've heard that set actually for the Pacific Northwest.

1022
00:47:43.639 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, but Seattle did a thing a few years ago,

1023
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.360
<v Speaker 2>and I forget what the number was. Who was something

1024
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.119
<v Speaker 2>like twenty one percent or something, wasn't it. Do you

1025
00:47:50.119 --> 00:47:51.559
<v Speaker 2>remember that? Am I wrong?

1026
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.800
<v Speaker 4>I can't remember the numbers now that I remember seeing

1027
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:55.320
<v Speaker 4>that stuff.

1028
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 2>I think the people outside of town either more inclined

1029
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.239
<v Speaker 2>to believe, or when they don't believe, they're more adamant

1030
00:48:01.239 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>about it, because I would have seen it by now.

1031
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>One of those things, you know.

1032
00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.079
<v Speaker 3>I think it's so hard to tell. And I don't

1033
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.320
<v Speaker 3>know where these numbers ever get generated, because I always

1034
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.079
<v Speaker 3>think when I see things about poles that there's a

1035
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:16.400
<v Speaker 3>selection bias in place, because you're only getting information from

1036
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 3>the kind of people who take poles. And you know,

1037
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:20.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't know many people who are like, oh yeah,

1038
00:48:20.599 --> 00:48:23.000
<v Speaker 3>I'll take that poll, or I'll spend time filling out

1039
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.159
<v Speaker 3>this survey. You know, that's a special kind of person.

1040
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:28.280
<v Speaker 3>I've had this conversation with people where they'll say, well,

1041
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:32.400
<v Speaker 3>just look at the number of festivals. Like a good

1042
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:35.320
<v Speaker 3>example would be Hawking Hills, right, because it's a street fair,

1043
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 3>street festival, and so they had what thirty thousand, forty

1044
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 3>thousand people roll through, And so people use that as

1045
00:48:41.400 --> 00:48:44.159
<v Speaker 3>a proxy. And I'll say, look, not everyone who's going

1046
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.920
<v Speaker 3>to the festival is a believer in the proposition. You know,

1047
00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:51.599
<v Speaker 3>they don't accept the proposition that the Sasquatch exists. It's

1048
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:55.000
<v Speaker 3>a local event. There's food trucks and vendors, and it's

1049
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 3>something fun to do and bring the family to. And

1050
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 3>so you can't look at the attendees of large public

1051
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.679
<v Speaker 3>festivals and treat that like it's some sort of a

1052
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:08.039
<v Speaker 3>barometer of the nation or the continent's belief in the

1053
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.079
<v Speaker 3>existence of you know, a corporeal species of sas squander

1054
00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:12.840
<v Speaker 3>who goes.

1055
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.840
<v Speaker 4>To paid conferences. That's the window of that down.

1056
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and there's there's those sorts of things or even

1057
00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:19.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think a lot of the people that

1058
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.880
<v Speaker 3>listen to podcasts don't even I mean, there's there's plenty

1059
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.400
<v Speaker 3>of things that I listen to because they're interesting or

1060
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 3>entertaining that I have no dog in the fight in

1061
00:49:28.480 --> 00:49:29.840
<v Speaker 3>and you know, I feel that way about a lot

1062
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:31.599
<v Speaker 3>of UFO stuff that I listen to. I'm like, oh,

1063
00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:33.440
<v Speaker 3>this is just interesting and it kind of turns my

1064
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:36.559
<v Speaker 3>brain off and just entertains me for an hour while

1065
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 3>I'm driving or something. And so you could go, oh, well,

1066
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:42.320
<v Speaker 3>this UFO podcast has many millions of listeners. It's like, well,

1067
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.440
<v Speaker 3>that doesn't mean that every listener believes that every word

1068
00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:48.159
<v Speaker 3>of that is absolutely true or whatever the case may be.

1069
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:50.559
<v Speaker 3>So I don't know how anyone would really arrive at that.

1070
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:54.320
<v Speaker 3>I find that most people that I talk to are like, oh,

1071
00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 3>it's interesting, and you know, maybe there is something and

1072
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:59.559
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know that that would qualify as what

1073
00:49:59.679 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 3>Brian defining his quote true believers. You know, I still

1074
00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:08.199
<v Speaker 3>think the people who absolutely accept the proposition, whether they've

1075
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 3>seen one or not, you know, let's just say people

1076
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:13.920
<v Speaker 3>who believe rather than no. It's probably not as high

1077
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:16.440
<v Speaker 3>as that eleven to twenty eight percent, But I mean,

1078
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:18.840
<v Speaker 3>maybe I could be wrong, but I do think that's

1079
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.920
<v Speaker 3>a number that's like unknowable.

1080
00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:23.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, definitely, and.

1081
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.239
<v Speaker 2>People want to believe, that's for sure. And look at

1082
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.159
<v Speaker 2>some of the nonsense. It gets thrown out on everybody.

1083
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:30.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, there's a lot of people that have seen him

1084
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.039
<v Speaker 4>and refuse to believe in that they see him because

1085
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:34.679
<v Speaker 4>they're scared. Yeah.

1086
00:50:34.840 --> 00:50:36.360
<v Speaker 2>I just see all the garbage put out by the

1087
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 2>media and stuff, and then it's like, oh, I believe

1088
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.039
<v Speaker 2>it was on the news. I believe it.

1089
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.920
<v Speaker 4>It's like, well, come on, man, to talk about snake.

1090
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:48.000
<v Speaker 2>It might be I got like three people this week

1091
00:50:48.199 --> 00:50:50.039
<v Speaker 2>have emailed me to ask me if that's real.

1092
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.599
<v Speaker 4>Dude, Pauli's arguing with you that it's real, that he's legit.

1093
00:50:53.760 --> 00:50:55.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, what do you talk I've got a bunch

1094
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 4>of comments like, dude, if you check this guy out,

1095
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:00.840
<v Speaker 4>this looks like real deal. I'm just like, oh, just

1096
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 4>shake my.

1097
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Head by Pizza Polly. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, that's

1098
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:11.079
<v Speaker 2>It's just so disappointing that people that even slightly entertained

1099
00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:13.159
<v Speaker 2>that that might be real, because it's the same it's

1100
00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the same dummied like model thing as uh Rick dyre

1101
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:19.199
<v Speaker 2>used and Henk Yeah, Hank exactly. This put they slapped

1102
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:21.639
<v Speaker 2>some eyebrows on it and changed the makeup a bit.

1103
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:21.880
<v Speaker 4>Man.

1104
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.880
<v Speaker 2>So disappointing that, but again, that just shows you people

1105
00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:27.519
<v Speaker 2>are ready to believe anything, you know, in this weird

1106
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:31.760
<v Speaker 2>post truth world that we've inherited, people believe anything, and

1107
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>if you tell them, like, well, that's kind of not

1108
00:51:33.440 --> 00:51:35.159
<v Speaker 2>real at all. And he's the reasons that they won't

1109
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:37.760
<v Speaker 2>even believe that. It's like, it's like you being dead, Bobo.

1110
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>People won't believe that you're not dead. They want to

1111
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:42.760
<v Speaker 2>believe you're dead.

1112
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:46.039
<v Speaker 3>We got to give a shout out to our good

1113
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 3>friend Wes over at Sasquatch Chronicles. Just earlier today, listeners,

1114
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Wes texted us a screenshot of a text exchange he

1115
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 3>had with someone, and he cut out the name, so

1116
00:51:55.239 --> 00:51:57.679
<v Speaker 3>I don't know who this was, so we're, well, we're

1117
00:51:57.719 --> 00:51:59.800
<v Speaker 3>going to assume that it's what Wes is good buddies,

1118
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:03.400
<v Speaker 3>but he's it's a screenshot where somebody asked, what about

1119
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 3>this dude Snake who has a bigfoot body, to which

1120
00:52:06.079 --> 00:52:09.360
<v Speaker 3>Wes responded, are you asking me if some guy named

1121
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:15.400
<v Speaker 3>Snake the bigfoot hunter has a real bigfoot body? Funny,

1122
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.840
<v Speaker 3>and he said, I know you guys would appreciate this,

1123
00:52:18.960 --> 00:52:22.000
<v Speaker 3>and we had a good laugh about it. Yeah, Yeah,

1124
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.159
<v Speaker 3>any more questions, bro, yep, we'll do a couple more

1125
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 3>here before we roll over to the pigeon side.

1126
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:31.039
<v Speaker 4>So this is a good one for you, Bobo, Okay,

1127
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:35.840
<v Speaker 4>Carl Wiland, I came across Bo's Bigfoot Encounters on of

1128
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 4>the fourth time on TV and was disappointed to see

1129
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.599
<v Speaker 4>that there were only three episodes. They were amazing. Are

1130
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 4>there are their plans for future episodes? Boa did a

1131
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:48.440
<v Speaker 4>great job getting the eyewitnesses to detail their encounters. Thank you.

1132
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:51.360
<v Speaker 4>Now would find on doing any more of those? No,

1133
00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:55.119
<v Speaker 4>not for not anytime the next several months, that's for sure,

1134
00:52:55.559 --> 00:52:58.159
<v Speaker 4>if they needed to be next year. But thanks, I

1135
00:52:58.199 --> 00:53:00.840
<v Speaker 4>mean that's the first thing compliments I got.

1136
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:04.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh, people love it, like I've been posting that link

1137
00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 3>every time we mention it, and once again I'll put

1138
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:07.559
<v Speaker 3>a link to that in the show notes so that

1139
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:09.119
<v Speaker 3>it'll take you right to the two B listing so

1140
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:10.920
<v Speaker 3>you can watch it, you know, on your mobile device

1141
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.440
<v Speaker 3>or on your lab stop if you have the two

1142
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:15.559
<v Speaker 3>B app on your TV. Yeah, I put a link

1143
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:19.000
<v Speaker 3>to Sarah's episode specifically in that last episode with that

1144
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.599
<v Speaker 3>we did with Sarah's catching up about her return trip

1145
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:25.400
<v Speaker 3>to the Marble Mountains. But yeah, it's been nothing but

1146
00:53:25.519 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 3>positive feedback everywhere that I've seen.

1147
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:29.760
<v Speaker 4>Oh really, God, So I was bout on like the

1148
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.280
<v Speaker 4>music and like the announcer's voice, and so that was

1149
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 4>all my fault. I didn't get it done like I

1150
00:53:34.719 --> 00:53:37.199
<v Speaker 4>wanted to get it downstairs the production company how to

1151
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.159
<v Speaker 4>like just throw that part together At the end.

1152
00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 3>I think they turn out well. It seems like people

1153
00:53:41.679 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 3>really enjoy it, so I will put a link there again,

1154
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.400
<v Speaker 3>So go go check them out, folks, and maybe Bobo

1155
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 3>can get some more of than episodes there in the

1156
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 3>can for you. And then let's do one last voicemail.

1157
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.239
<v Speaker 3>Here we get questions along these lines, but it's been

1158
00:53:56.239 --> 00:53:58.320
<v Speaker 3>a while since we've gotten one of these, and so

1159
00:53:58.440 --> 00:53:59.639
<v Speaker 3>here's your last voicemail.

1160
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 6>Hi, guys, this is Simon from the UK and I

1161
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.800
<v Speaker 6>just wanted to ask you a question. I've been interested

1162
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 6>in the big Foot subject for over thirty years now

1163
00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:13.719
<v Speaker 6>and it's sort of on my book at list to

1164
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:17.239
<v Speaker 6>attend a big Foot conference or a show in the

1165
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:21.159
<v Speaker 6>US at some point in the future, but possibly even

1166
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.639
<v Speaker 6>go on an expedition if there was one available, and

1167
00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:27.239
<v Speaker 6>I wondered which of those you would recommend. I know

1168
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 6>that you guys have traveled to and attended quite a

1169
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:30.480
<v Speaker 6>lot of them.

1170
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:31.960
<v Speaker 4>I did.

1171
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:34.320
<v Speaker 6>You still live in Canada over twenty years ago on

1172
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:40.719
<v Speaker 6>Vancouver Island, and at that time I found Bigfoot conferences

1173
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.480
<v Speaker 6>and forums and stuff that weren't as common, so I

1174
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:48.960
<v Speaker 6>never got the opportunity to do any socializing with fellow

1175
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.119
<v Speaker 6>bigfoot US or go on an expedition. So it's something

1176
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:55.480
<v Speaker 6>you know that I've always wanted to do, so I'd

1177
00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:58.599
<v Speaker 6>like to hear your opinion. I also read Matt's book

1178
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:01.559
<v Speaker 6>last year, The Phenomenals Ask Question, and thought it was excellent.

1179
00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:04.920
<v Speaker 4>Thanks guy. I haven't been on a conference for a

1180
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.320
<v Speaker 4>long time, so I would I wouldn't know what the

1181
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:09.719
<v Speaker 4>latest ones are, but they're all good in their own right.

1182
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 4>I mean, if you want to go like a mixed

1183
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Speaker 4>one like cryptid coonf you're interested in like all kinds

1184
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:17.880
<v Speaker 4>of difference, that one's that's that's great, that's a really

1185
00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:19.960
<v Speaker 4>good one. And then there's the one up in the

1186
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:21.400
<v Speaker 4>one what's that one clip up on the top of

1187
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 4>main up at saw Saint Marie up in the border

1188
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:25.920
<v Speaker 4>of Canada. But it's really hard to get there. But

1189
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:29.320
<v Speaker 4>that's that's if you're into that multiple disciplines, like you know,

1190
00:55:29.559 --> 00:55:34.159
<v Speaker 4>UFO's ghosts and dog Man and fire breathing worms and

1191
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.400
<v Speaker 4>all that kind of stuff. But for just straight bigfoot,

1192
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:39.320
<v Speaker 4>what would you say, like a Ohio is great smoking

1193
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:40.840
<v Speaker 4>because you probably want to go on the East Coast.

1194
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:44.599
<v Speaker 4>I'd imagine the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference is usually pretty good.

1195
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:47.079
<v Speaker 4>But I like that Smoking Mountain Conference a lot.

1196
00:55:48.159 --> 00:55:50.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that nowadays what we need to we need

1197
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:52.719
<v Speaker 2>to look for is who's speaking, what do you want

1198
00:55:52.719 --> 00:55:55.119
<v Speaker 2>to get from it? You know, like Crypton con to

1199
00:55:55.159 --> 00:55:57.039
<v Speaker 2>the one that Bobo mentioned right away that was coming

1200
00:55:57.119 --> 00:55:58.840
<v Speaker 2>up in November. I know I'm going to be there.

1201
00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:01.239
<v Speaker 2>A bunch of weather folks are going there. That's a

1202
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:05.320
<v Speaker 2>good mix because the organizers recognize that the television personalities

1203
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:08.400
<v Speaker 2>bring people in, right, So they're going to have a

1204
00:56:08.519 --> 00:56:11.320
<v Speaker 2>number of people representing various television shows and stuff, and

1205
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.000
<v Speaker 2>they're also going to have a lot of people that

1206
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 2>most people don't really know about, like who just do

1207
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:18.480
<v Speaker 2>solid Bigfoot research and that's it, and they're not really

1208
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 2>on the shows so much because they're in the woods

1209
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.880
<v Speaker 2>doing what they love to do. And so Cryptocon I

1210
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.800
<v Speaker 2>find strikes a really good balance between the entertainment side

1211
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:29.920
<v Speaker 2>and the actual real research side, which I think is

1212
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.519
<v Speaker 2>great because real research isn't done on television, is the

1213
00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:34.760
<v Speaker 2>bottom line? Then take it for me. I worked on

1214
00:56:34.840 --> 00:56:37.639
<v Speaker 2>TV for nine years, right, so it's just not done there.

1215
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Like the new breaking stuff isn't going to be released

1216
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:42.079
<v Speaker 2>on that kind of stuff. They may feature it on

1217
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.639
<v Speaker 2>a segment or something, but that's it. So I would

1218
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:47.360
<v Speaker 2>recommend looking at just shop around for where you want

1219
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 2>to be and then look at the people speaking. That's

1220
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:52.559
<v Speaker 2>the best way to do it. There's not a conference

1221
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:58.320
<v Speaker 2>that is necessarily year in year out, absolutely hands down

1222
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.000
<v Speaker 2>the best. That just doesn't really happen. And as far

1223
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 2>as expeditions go, again, it comes down to where do

1224
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:04.920
<v Speaker 2>you want to go. Do you want to see the

1225
00:57:04.960 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Pacific Northwest? Sounds like you've already been here. Maybe you

1226
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:11.639
<v Speaker 2>want to go somewhere easier to grab like Massa Massages budget.

1227
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:14.360
<v Speaker 4>Doing his final one coming up. That's that's going to

1228
00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.119
<v Speaker 4>be a great one. Yeah.

1229
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.920
<v Speaker 2>The BFRO runs really good expeditions for the most part.

1230
00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:20.639
<v Speaker 2>Of course, they vary, you know, I'm not going to

1231
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:22.519
<v Speaker 2>lie to you, Like Matt has a lot of people

1232
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 2>working for him, you know, and the organizers run the expeditions,

1233
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:29.360
<v Speaker 2>so and some organizers are just frankly better at it

1234
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.440
<v Speaker 2>than others are. Some cook, some don't, Some are out

1235
00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:34.639
<v Speaker 2>in the woods all the time, some just do chase

1236
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.800
<v Speaker 2>for citing reports. They all have something to offer, but

1237
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.920
<v Speaker 2>they're all going to differ in flavor. So you really

1238
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.400
<v Speaker 2>want to look at who the organizer is and most importantly,

1239
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.760
<v Speaker 2>what habitat, what terrain like, what area the geographical area

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<v Speaker 2>of the country do you want to visit and check

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<v Speaker 2>out in a big through a bigfoot lens. I think

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<v Speaker 2>those are the most important things to weigh.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and since you mentioned Crypticon, that is a good one.

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<v Speaker 3>Simon brought up the social aspect, like getting to sit

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<v Speaker 3>down and speak with other researchers, you know, one on one,

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<v Speaker 3>are face to face rather than just sitting in a

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<v Speaker 3>crowd and listening to lectures. I think cryptocon is great

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<v Speaker 3>for that. This year, it's going to be at a

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<v Speaker 3>different venue too that I think will be a lot

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<v Speaker 3>more accommodating, conducive, etcetera. So they're doing it at Bell

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<v Speaker 3>Terra Casino in Florence, Indiana this year, and Cliff will

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<v Speaker 3>be there, as he mentioned, I'll be there. A great researcher,

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<v Speaker 3>Tom Shay will be there. And then in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>you know, researchers that you might have seen on screen, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>Maria Russ and Bryce from Expedition Bigfoot will be there.

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<v Speaker 3>There's going to be a number of people our friends

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<v Speaker 3>and from the Mountain Monsters, you know, wild Bill and

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<v Speaker 3>Buck and Huckleberry will be there. So that's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a really good event.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's coming up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll put a link in the show notes, but that's

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<v Speaker 3>going to be November twenty first and twenty second of

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<v Speaker 3>this year, So I don't know if that's too quick

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<v Speaker 3>a turnaround time for you there, Simon, but that would

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<v Speaker 3>be a good one. And I guess while we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about events too, I got word that the cabins for

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<v Speaker 3>the Alaska Bigfoot crews are almost all gone. There's only

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<v Speaker 3>a few left. So I'll have that link in the

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<v Speaker 3>show notes too if anyone's interested and coming on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm super excited about that. But yeah, I definitely think

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<v Speaker 3>something like Crypto Con or the Ohio Bigfoot Conference is

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<v Speaker 3>another good opportunity to not only see a lot of speakers,

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<v Speaker 3>but to get you FaceTime and interact and ask questions

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<v Speaker 3>because everyone's just under the same roof for a whole weekend,

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<v Speaker 3>and so the social and interactive portion of it is

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<v Speaker 3>just excellent.

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<v Speaker 4>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, with that, are we done? Go to the member

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<v Speaker 2>section and.

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<v Speaker 5>Do some ring?

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<v Speaker 4>I think so. Yeah. All right, folks, Well that was

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<v Speaker 4>another episode. Thanks for joining us. Hit like, hit share.

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<v Speaker 4>We appreciate it. We could use the good words. So

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<v Speaker 4>until next week, you'all keep it squatchy.

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