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Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys

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Speaker 2: Stay and the greatest on Esterday and listening watching always

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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

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Speaker 4: How's it gone?

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Speaker 2: It's going all right. I'm out and about and bigfoots

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are out and about. Really cool stuff has been going on.

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I mean I've done two sightings investigations. I had a

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track find and that is all in the last week. No,

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I take that back. One of the sightings was a

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week a week ago Friday, so nine days ago. The

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one on Friday was over at Promontory Park and I

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haven't written about that one yet on the blog. And

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that was a lot of fun. Actually I might even

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make a video out of that one because it was

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so much fun. But someone saw a couple of guys

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actually saw one over at Promontory Park Friday night, right

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the on July third, like the campground was full and everything,

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but like that area where it was, I guess he

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was probably just tell the story about it real fast.

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If we have the time. I know we have a

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Q and a to do today, but there's always big

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foot stuff to talk about. Sure, yeah, so these two

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guys are I think there were two guys that they're

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camping in Promontory Park. There's like a campground there, you know.

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They they kind of dam up the Qlacamus River so

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it forms a lake at that point. I think it's

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Faurday Lake if I remember right, but Uhday, I think

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that's what is Faraday fa r A d A y.

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I think, oh yeah, something like that. Well, these I

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guess about nine in the evening, and mind you, this

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is the Pacific Northwest, and it's not that far right

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now from the summer solstice, so it's still pretty light

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at that point. This guy was sitting over at a

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dock because you know, it's like right there in the water.

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It's sitting on a dock at nine, so it's pretty dusky.

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And I guess the deal is he saw something that

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appeared to be on two legs across the river, and

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of course it's a lake at this point. It's not

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a real big lake, but it's one hundred yards two

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hundred yards across, probably probably one hundred and fiftywo hundred

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yards something like that, and up up I guess downstream

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from him really thinking about it, is something came down

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off the opposing slope. Now, the opposing slope is very

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steep for most of it, and there aren't really any

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roads up there at all. Like I'm on top of

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the mesas sort of thing. I guess it kind of is.

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on top of the hill or the mountain or whatever,

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there's there's some roads and up there, but really not

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that many at all. It feel a free to look

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at Google, Google Earth or Google Maps or whatever or

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the mapping software of your choice and look across from

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a promontory park there and you're going to see that

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there's not a lot going on up there. So anyway,

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this two legged thing comes down in one of the draws,

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because you know, water does seep down there, and it's

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over the decades and millennia. It's kind of cut a

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little you know, V shape thing. So something comes out

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of a brushy V shaped little valley deal and goes

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in the water, and I think the guy said it

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floated or something like. Basically it went downstream a little

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bit and then got back out of the water, and

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he goes, well, that was weird because and he knows

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darn well that like there's nothing over there. There's no

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reason for people to be over there, that there are

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no boats over there docked or anything. Not that you

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could there's no docks, but like you can't pull over there, right.

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He goes, well, that that was really weird and just

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kind of like put it to bed, and so he was.

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Later on, he was camping just a few hours later.

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This is like at twelve forty five, maybe one o'clock

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in the morning, somewhere in that zone. He's in his campsite,

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and it's just like a regular campground, you know, fire

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pits and bathrooms, there's a fish cleaning station and all. Yeah,

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all that kind of stuff, and it's sold out. It's

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fourth of July weekend at about twelve forty five. They're

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hanging out by the like he his buddy or hanging

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out by the fire, I guess, and he sees he

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looks across the road and of course right across the

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road there's another campsite, obviously, but on the other side

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of that camp site is the fish cleaning station up

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on a little hill and we're talking like fifty feet

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behind this other campsite, and you can see it because

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there's a bathroom there and there's a light there or whatever.

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is a very large man sort of thing walking from

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left to right away from the fish cleaning station. And

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he says, oh, there it is again, you know, and

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her he ran out and tried to see it again. Okay,

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the fish cleaning station. I've been there. I did the investigation.

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The fish cleaning station has it's like a little i guess,

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like a roof like structure, and then underneath the roof

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like structure is a sink, you know, and that kind

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of thing the cleaner fish and the guts go away

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and all that sort of stuff. But the eaves of

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the roof are about seven and a half eight feet tall.

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I was right there next to it. Keith, who's much

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taller than I. He estimated it about eight feet tall,

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you know, that kind of thing. And whatever this thing was,

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the head of it was even to the eaves or

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slightly taller than the eaves and walking from left to right. Now,

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this is the weird thing. This is the weird thing.

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He said that it looked like it was wearing like

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a slicker, like a yellow jacket or something like that.

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It's like, well, how could that be that, you know,

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that's totally weird. But it was too big to be

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a person. So I don't really think sasquatches going on

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wearing clothes very often. But that's what he said. And

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he was reluctant, No, no, no, it wasn't raining, beautiful weather,

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but it was. He was reluctant to tell. I guess

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I wasn't there when he reported it. Keith and Jill

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were working the shop. I was not in the shop

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at the time, but he said I was. Didn't want

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to tell you, guys because you'd think I'm crazy, But

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it looked like it was wearing like a yellow slicker

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or something like that. So well, that's weird. And I

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don't know. I mean, I know that sometimes apes actually

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throw some clothes on or whatever, but I don't think

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that's the case. And I think it's probably a play

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of light or And mind you, it was fairly dark.

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but it is a good distance away at night. I

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don't know if the guys were drinking or anything like that.

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who knows, But I assume it's just some sort of

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play of the light as the thing ran off, but

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the size of the figure strongly suggests sasquatch. Right, So

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he ran out into the road, and he couldn't run

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right over there because of the campsite, so he veered

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over to the right and tried to see it again,

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and he never saw it again. And that's basically all

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we got. So we got something that sounded pretty decent,

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you know, pretty good because I know the area pretty well,

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and there's there should be nobody across the river. So

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whatever they saw about nine pint forty five was probably

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his sasquatch. I don't see you have any reason to

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doubt it. And then of course this saying in the

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campground wearing a yellow slicker. I mean it was nighttime.

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at night. Maybe just an illusion because of the type

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of bulb that was. Maybe it's some sort of like

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mercury bulb or something that has a yellow tinge. I

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don't really know, but yeah, this is just one of

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those where the guy saw something unusual, but I don't

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know what it is. I suspect it's probably again, probably

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just a play of light, because I can see that,

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like if the Sasquatches, if even saw a Sasquatch, I

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don't even know, you know, who knows, maybe the Bigfoot

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on the brain after seeing the first one or the

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one earlier in the night. I have no idea at all.

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So I went out there with Keith the next day. Actually, no, no,

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that's not true. He saw it Friday. He reported it

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to us on Tuesday. I guess his buddy was encouraging,

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was you just tell him, just tell him. Not every

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gonna think I'm crazy, just tell him. So he finally

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came in and told us, and we wrote down the

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details and I got a text at the time. And

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so the next day Keith and I went out there

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and I said, well, screw it, man, let's just go.

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Let's just go to the like the little building where

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you can, you know, rent campsites and all that. Sid

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I just walked in and talked to the campground house like, hey,

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my name's Cliff, and I owned that Bigfoot museum over there.

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And someone told me they saw they maybe saw a sasquatch,

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and the lady didn't blame She goes, oh, yeah, yeah,

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we heard about that. It is oh cool, cool. Would

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you mind if I go and park and go look

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around and say no, no, that'd be great. And then

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she brought a map out and showed me where the

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fish cleaning station was, and I told her what I knew,

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and she goes, oh, we kind of assumed it was

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over here in this area, but you're telling me those

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over here. I guess I had better information because they

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were just kind of guessing where things might have been.

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say we found anything we can hang our hat on.

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had the entire Fourth of July weekend in between what

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they sold out campsite, so I didn't expect to find anything.

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things that maybe were footprints, because I decided, since the

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campground was totally sold out, that the best avenue if

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I was going to find anything at all, would not

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be to look on the pathway where the guy saw

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it move, since he did not see it immediately after

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the episode at the fish cleaning station, and I know

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the direction that it went. I looked in the thickest

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brush I could find in that direction. Actually, there was

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some pretty good brush in that area, and I found

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some things that maybe maybe we're footprints. Maybe it's really

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hard to say, really hard to say, but yeah, so

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nothing I could really hang our hats on, you know.

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we went back to the dock and go, well, how

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are we going to get across the river? Man? I mean,

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it's a long ways.

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Speaker 4: What are we going to do?

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Speaker 2: And so I had this bright idea, well, let's go

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over to the marina, because there's a marina in the

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lake there, and let's just see if maybe a fisherman

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or you know, somebody renting a pontoon boat is coming

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back in and maybe we can thumb a ride. And

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so yeah, we're worth a shot, right, didn't seem like

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anybody was coming in. We waited around for about twenty

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minutes and just we didn't. We didn't. We didn't think

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that was very hopeful. So we went into the shop

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there and and we went up to the guy at

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the desk and go like, hey, someone said, they may

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have seen a sasquatch and we're hoping to rent a canoe.

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I know, kayaks for forty bucks an hour. What would

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you give us a canoe for if we're going to

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do a bigfoot investigation? And the guy laughed or whatever,

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and he he said that They said, I'll give it

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to you for thirty bucks sold. You know, because I

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have a museum, and renting a kayak for a sasquatch

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investigation in my life is tax deductible. So I went

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ahead and paid for it, and Keith and I zipped

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across the river to where the guy saw it, because

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there's only one spot because like I said, it's pretty

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much a sheer cliff the entire way except for this

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one draw in the vicinity where he said he saw it.

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So he went over there, and you know, I found

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sign of deer and stuff going up down, But there

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was one thing, one thing at the very edge of

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the water that kind of looked like a footprint, but

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it did look like it was getting back onto shore.

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imagine it would have happened. But you know, I didn't

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see the sasquatch, do it or whatever. But yeah, so

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kind of a fun, unexpected side side quest on my

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journey there. That was pretty cool, and I filmed it all.

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So I'm thinking I might piece that together into a

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museum video this month. I'm not really sure what I'm

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gonna do yet, but that would be a good one

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because it was just so much fun and so unexpected.

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Speaker 4: That was an interesting lenke. I was just looking at

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it on the aerial. Is that long chat it is?

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I gets some kind of electricity production site.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, the dam at the end, I think

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it has a power generator in it or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's got that like that long chatle,

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like those parallel of the river for quite a way

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is well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, below that, below the dam, that's where Esticata Lake is.

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And when we filmed one of the episodes here, we literally,

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you guys literally did an investigation at Esticada Lake. Yeah,

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numerous reports out of that one spot as well. So

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and of course up on top of that hill that

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in that general direction, that's where Memoloose circles around. That's

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where Hillockburn Road, and like there's all these little nooks

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and crannies up in there where. There's a lot of

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historical sighting reports up in that general area. South Fork

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of the Klacamus is an excellent location that used to

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be the water source for Oregon City, so there's all

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these tunnels and cool infrastructure things back in there if

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you have a way to get on that side. But

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that's the trick. Do you have a way to get

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on that side of the river. That's why if the

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guy saw some somebody walking around, is something on two

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legs walking around, it's a ninety percent chance it's a

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sasquatch because or ninety nine percent because there just really

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isn't any way to get over there. For the most part,

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stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

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Bogo will be right back after these messages. Of course,

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that the high Rocks siding might talked about that one,

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or I wrote about that one on the NABC blog.

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Those might have been tracks the pictures I put up.

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I don't really know. The area is really good. And

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then of course I went out on Tuesday. I found

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a sasquatch track out there, and I'm pretty sure. I'm

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about eighty percent sure, maybe ninety percent by now that

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it is a known individual that I cast last year,

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not fifty yards away from where I found it this year,

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but about a month before is al So I.

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Speaker 4: Was listening to the new members only one for Sasquatch Chronicles,

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and it was a dude that grew up in Sandy

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that had a bunch of stuff happened in the seventies

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and eighties.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. And I've got

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some reports out of Tickle Creek in the eighties. Tickle

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Creek is there's a real, real popular like hiking, sort

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of parky sort of trail.

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Speaker 4: In fact.

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Speaker 2: I oh, that's another thing. I spoke at the Sandy

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Mountain Festival this past weekend on Saturday as well, like

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the local you know, the beer garden, vendor, community parade

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festival thing. Was talking, Oh I did, they didn't just

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me talking. I wish I had a slide show. I

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think those are cooler. But I brought a bunch of

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casts and you know, and talked about stuff and let

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them did a show and tell sort of thing, you know, right, Yeah,

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But it was nice because I like doing the local

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stuff because that we have a much higher possibility of

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getting their boots in the door than if I did

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a gig in like you know, Florida or something like that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, that got that saw. I wanted to say.

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One of the interesting things he reported was they saw

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big male that had one of the hands that had

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white like the back of the hand was all white hair.

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So he's wondered that anyone else had reported seeing a

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white handed squash, like a big one like nine plus foot.

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Speaker 2: No, I've never heard it. Just the hand was white.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, just the hand.

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Speaker 2: No, I've never heard that before. We do have reports

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of a white one actually back in about I want

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to say nineteen ninety. I think it was about nineteen ninety,

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give or take a couple of years if I remember correctly.

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There's a place out here called a Guide Dogs for

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the Blind. They train guide dogs for the blind. You know,

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it's all the name. And before the property owner who

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owned it, before they bought it and turned it into

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a commercial facility, there were two sidings on that guy's

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property over a period of a couple months back in

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I think around ninety ninety or ninety one. I remember

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he told this. We have it written down at the shop,

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but I'm not at the shop right now. So I

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remember him saying that it was a really bad snow year,

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and I think, if I remember right, I think one

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of the Sasquatches, or maybe the same one that came back.

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I don't remember. It was a light colored one that

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he described as almost white. So if I remember right, yeah,

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let's way. I grew up with like four hundred acres

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and actually a BMX track sits still there is really

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a BMX track. I don't know where that is. We're

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motocross Maybe wouldn't be too surprising. And you know, I

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remember when I first moved into this house, I was

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getting some electrical work done and two twenty. Like I

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can do the one ten stuff, it doesn't it scares me,

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but yeah, I've done it, you know, But the two

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twenty stuff, I screw that. I don't want to deal

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with that, so I bring in electricians for that. And

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I was getting like when I first moved in, I

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was doing the two twenty stuff out in the outbuilding

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and the guy came over. He was a licensed electrician

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and his son who was his apprentice, and his son

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was about twenty two at the time. And this must

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have been in twenty seventeen. He, you know, hanging out

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with me. It doesn't take very long before we started

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talking about sasquatches somehow. So he told me that he

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saw a sasquatch a little bit south of town, then

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a little bit uh west too on logging land company,

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but not like logging like Warehous your land. It was

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actually the Boring Logging Company or something like that. I

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think that was the name of the company where one

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of those places where I think they store the logs

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and all that, or it's outside of Boring Oregan. He

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and his buddies, I guess were trespassing. They're like when

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they were like sixteen or something like that, trespassing and

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probably drinking some beer or something. I don't know what

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they're doing. But he said that he saw a sasquatch

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over there, which is pretty far in, a lot further

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in than most people would think. But you know, I

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mean for you and I or whatever, we've done investigations

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literally all over the world. Just because they're in close

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doesn't mean they didn't see one. I mean, I'll go

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back to my analogy again. The vast majority of fishermen

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cast past the fish, and I think that's true. Of

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sasquatch researchers too. Yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, because they're

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right here.

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Speaker 4: Well, Bart drives up to Washington a couple of times,

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You're like three times a year Sierra's and then there's

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all these stuff popping up just right you said him,

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like twenty minutes thirty minutes away. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you're everybody loves to go to the Olympics,

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I get that. You know, everybody loves to go to

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Bluff Creek, I get that too. But if you're if

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that's the only time. I'm not not saying this about Bart.

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You know, Bart does go out in his local woods.

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But if the only time you go bigfooting is when

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you drive six to twelve hours, you should you should

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think again, there's probably sound squatches closer.

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Speaker 4: To that, unless you're like in Central Nevada. Definitely something closer.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, but almost nobody lives in Central Nevada right exactly,

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probably because there's no big foots there who would want

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to live there unless you're into UFOs, in which case,

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go get them.

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Speaker 4: So we got question and answers. I guess rock in today.

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Speaker 2: Rumor has it what we got through?

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Speaker 3: It got quite a few that came in, and so

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I will alternate. We only got a couple of voicemails

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for this one, so let's start with a written submission,

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and it's in the chat now.

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Speaker 4: Carter L. Hey, guys, love the podcast. Do you think

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squatches will ever be comfortable enough to communicate with humans

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directly or to get closer with their hairless cousins us?

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Probably not as a species, but there's been an individual

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accounts of people getting like some kind of relationshipulate that

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they live you know, they live by and like they

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come on their property and putting out food and stuff

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like that, they exchange gifts that I don't know about

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full communication, it seems it's possible. You know, we'll see

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what happens, no doubt it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think whatever interactions are going to be there are

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going to be about the same level as what you'd

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maybe get out of a bear or an elk or

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some other like wildlife. And of course I know sasquatches

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are probably smarter than bears and elk and certainly elk

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and all that kind of stuff, But I think that

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these things are wild animals whatever they are, and no

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matter how human like you think personally that you think

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these things are. They're essentially wild animals that are living

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out there. They don't want anything to do with us.

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They don't understand us. We probably scare them quite a bit.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes. I mean they come in and interact all the

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time with campers and you know, people working out in

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the wo was They they don't just avoid us at

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all costs. They definitely interact I think for their entertainment

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at times. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The question specifically does say communicate though, And that's where

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that's what trips me up. You know, you can develop

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something of a relationship with them, just like my wife

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develops something of a relationship with the whole flock of

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squirrels recently, you know. But that's a different thing. But

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when it comes to communicate, like, I don't, I just

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don't see that. I just any more than like people

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living in you know, Simatra might have orangutans in their neighborhood,

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you know, or people in Western Africa having chimpanzees around.

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You kind of don't want them around, you know. The

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I think scrolls are pessed, But can you imagine a

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sasquatch that won't go away?

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Speaker 4: Awesome?

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Speaker 2: It'd be awesome for me, I think it would scare

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the hell out of Melissa though. Oh yeah, yeah, and

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also you'd probably scare me eventually too.

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Speaker 4: It'd be awesome, though you still have to be that scared.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about that one lady who's lived on the

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Hooper reds like feeding them Big Max for a while.

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She kind of regret it, didn't she when all, oh,

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I thought it was a hooper res my mistake.

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Speaker 4: No, it's Quinnell. Yeah. It tore down her lights when

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she didn't bring back big Match. They also they could

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smell they had brought back that they were kind of

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short on mind, so they didn't want to buy Big

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Max for the big foot that just came back, and

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they could smell the McDonald's and scream and palette on

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the house and broke the lights outside, and you know

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it just cause problems. Like she said, they got pretty

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upset and they didn't bring back big Macs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm worried about the squirrels like digging holes under

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my chimney and like, but you know, you don't give

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a sasquatch a big Mac is going to tear down

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the chimney. Yeah, I just I don't personally see that

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happening because I don't think it happens very much.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes people live in these rural properties and they're aware

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of the sasquatches, and certainly the sasquatches are generally aware

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of them. I would imagine when they come to some

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sort of live and let live sort of attitude. You

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see it all the time on reservations, for example, they're

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both aware of each other and they both leave each

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other alone. I think that that sort of relationship is reasonable.

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But as far as communicating with the humans, I'm not

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so sure sasquatches would have much to say to us.

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That's just me though. That's just my opinion. Who knows

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who knows? But so I don't know that that's your

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question there. That's your ohl aster answer, at least from

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my side. Carter Whew, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and

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Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after

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these messages. Okay, this is from John Hall and he asks,

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now that you have doctor Meldrum's collection, do you plan

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on releasing any of that information in a book. You

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did a great job at the Florida conference. Keep up

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the great work, Cliff, Bobo and Mountain Matt Oh Mom.

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Speaker 3: John is the first sasquatch researcher I ever met in

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person went out in the field with I'd been doing

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it on my own for a couple of years at

471
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,799
that point and dragging friends out along with me. But

472
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,319
I'd reached out to so many people with no responses,

473
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,519
and eventually reached out to Mary Green up in Tennessee

474
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,920
and it said, Hey, you know I'm in Georgia. Do

475
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:04,880
you happen to know anyone else in the Southeast? And

476
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,720
she was like, oh, I know someone in Georgia. I'll

477
00:22:06,759 --> 00:22:08,599
connect you with him. And that was John. And so

478
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,359
that must have been like twenty one years ago now.

479
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,079
So I've had a lot of adventures with John. I've

480
00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,480
known him the longest of anybody I've known involved with sasquatry.

481
00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:19,160
And so he's a good dude and told me he

482
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,480
really enjoyed your presentation there in Florida.

483
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I do plan on releasing some stuff in

484
00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:29,119
book format. A few months ago I kind of started

485
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,759
sitting down to start plucking away at the keyboard and

486
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:33,720
get things done. And what I quickly found out by

487
00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,240
organizing my thoughts, which is still an ongoing challenge, I guess,

488
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:39,960
is a good way to say it is that I

489
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,160
sat down to write a book, and it turned out

490
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,480
that one or two days into this, it seemed that

491
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:46,519
I was writing several books because a lot of the

492
00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:49,279
stuff that I'm putting together doesn't seem like it belongs

493
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,960
with the other stuff. I'm not there yet. I will,

494
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,279
I intend if I live long enough, I intend to

495
00:22:55,279 --> 00:22:58,839
write books. Okay, that's one hundred percent yes. But at

496
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,000
this point, I started writing about that handprint on the

497
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:04,920
roof back in twenty seventeen at our friend Mike's property.

498
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:06,839
So I thought, well, that's an interesting thing, and that

499
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,400
that you know, that's that's a cool find or whatever,

500
00:23:09,519 --> 00:23:11,759
and a lot of people don't know about that and stuff.

501
00:23:11,799 --> 00:23:13,799
So and I've got cool pictures and I think, you know,

502
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,880
it's real, and so I started, you know, plucking with

503
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,799
that and stuff. And then I started writing this other thing,

504
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,440
and I realized pretty quickly that I'm writing about various topics.

505
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,400
So I've started realizing I think I'm going to have

506
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,720
to write several books, and that that's where I've kind

507
00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:30,759
of settled at this point. I think this could change.

508
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,359
As literally talking to Daniel Perez yesterday and he says,

509
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,279
you're going to write a book, aren't you? And I said, well, yeah,

510
00:23:36,279 --> 00:23:38,440
I'm workingize you need to get this out so I know, man,

511
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,880
I know, I know. Trust me, yeah right now, And

512
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,559
this may change. You can't hold me to it, is

513
00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:45,960
what I'm trying to say. And if you asked me

514
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,839
about it, I may have changed my mind by the

515
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,880
time he asked me. I'm like that. I'm a little fickle.

516
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:52,680
But I think I'm going to write a book about

517
00:23:52,759 --> 00:23:55,759
interesting cases and what I learned from them, you know,

518
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,480
like the handprint on the roof stuff, for example. I think,

519
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,839
so interesting cases I've been involved in and what I've

520
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,200
learned from them, I think that's interesting. I think I'm

521
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,880
going to write a book maybe on what I think

522
00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:10,440
is going on with sasquatches, or that might actually be

523
00:24:10,519 --> 00:24:13,839
the same book, because what I think I've learned about

524
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:17,480
sasquatches generally came about through people I've spoken to, but

525
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,359
mostly stuff that I've seen with my own eyes. Because

526
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,960
I think everybody, all the listeners of the podcast here

527
00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:26,079
know that I put more emphasis on my own personal

528
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,119
observations and interpretations of those things than I do in

529
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,640
other people's interpretations, don't I don't give my power away

530
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,559
to other people to tell me what to think. I

531
00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:36,920
just not, like, I'm not that kind of guy. I'm

532
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,480
kind of stubborn and independent and stuff like that. But

533
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:42,200
then I've got, you know, a ton of stuff on

534
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,119
the Blues, and I hear I see online these people

535
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,880
like I don't post on Facebook or anything like that,

536
00:24:49,079 --> 00:24:50,839
and I try to steer clear. But when I do

537
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,519
have to go on there, I see people who don't

538
00:24:53,599 --> 00:24:57,759
know anything, just spreading rumors and lies about the Blue Mountains.

539
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:01,000
It's like like, I know these things are saying are

540
00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,440
not true, but yet they're out there. And you know,

541
00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:06,440
the more this misinformation gets spread about, the worse it is.

542
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:10,240
You know, like I've seen it in print where people

543
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:14,079
are citing other authors like Daigling and those guys, you know,

544
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,039
citing other authors and what they said about the Blues

545
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,559
as if it's gospel. But it turns out that they're

546
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,400
wrong about stuff. Like, for example, there's this rumor out

547
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,960
there that Paul Freeman worked at an orthopedic shoe factory.

548
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,599
And I literally last night this is super interesting too.

549
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,599
I was sitting in the Meldring room last night and

550
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,720
I ran across a letter from Renee to Hinden, to

551
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,400
vance Orchard, I believe, And Renee said, I heard a

552
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,279
rumor that he worked in an orthopedic shoe factory, and

553
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,720
that would explain how these dramatic glyphics got in there.

554
00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:49,759
And the woman who told me was told by somebody else,

555
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:53,200
and it was like this ethereal line of evidence that

556
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,640
like it was just a rumor that somebody kind of

557
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,599
made up to explain away this dramaticlyphics thing, you know,

558
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,279
And I think that might have been the source of it.

559
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,960
So and I asked Michael Freeman, Michael, you know your dad.

560
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:08,759
You knew your dad. He's dead, of course, but like

561
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:10,839
you knew your dad pretty well. Did he ever work

562
00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,160
at an orthopedic shoe factory? And he goes, not that

563
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,160
I know of. No, he was a butcher. He was

564
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,960
a nighttime butcher in Walla, Walla. And when he lives

565
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,799
in Camus he owned a delicatessen. Yeah, so that isn't

566
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:26,160
the description of a guy who's familiar with the anatomy

567
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,799
of feet and skin texture, you know, to me at least,

568
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,680
you know so that people are overestimating Paul unfortunately. Night

569
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:37,000
he's a smart guy, but you know, not super literate,

570
00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:41,160
almost never read, almost never wrote. So anyway, I digress,

571
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,519
But I'm writing a book about the Blues essentially to

572
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,200
set the record straight, you know, because I have with

573
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:53,960
doctor Meltrim's files came numerous, like forty recordings of vance

574
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:57,240
Orchard interviewing people for his books. And so I mean,

575
00:26:57,279 --> 00:26:59,799
we have vance Orchard's books, which are fantastic, by the way,

576
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,039
pick him up, Thank goodness, fans Orchard was there documenting

577
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:04,799
what was going on in the Blue Mountains at that time.

578
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bigfoot of the Blues is my top ten fifteen

579
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:09,160
for sure.

580
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,839
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bigfoot of the Blues and Walla Walla Bigfoot,

581
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,079
both of those. Yeah, Like, if you're interested in the

582
00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,559
Blue Mountain stuff, you gotta read that stuff. It's and

583
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,240
it's very folksy and everything. It's great and it's great.

584
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:21,519
But I want to do a more perhaps a little

585
00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:24,599
more left brain version of that and just go case

586
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,160
by case by case. Like another one of these huge

587
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:30,480
misconceptions about the Blue Mountains, and it's thrown around on

588
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:32,680
these Facebook pages all the time like it was fact,

589
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,960
and everybody pats each other on the back. Oh, you're

590
00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:38,599
so smart, because you're debunked Freeman again, but you're lying

591
00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:41,319
about the fact it's so ridiculous is that the whole

592
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,559
Blue Mountain stuff started on June tenth, nineteen eighty two,

593
00:27:44,559 --> 00:27:47,920
when Paul Freeman saw that sasquatch and ended when Paul

594
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,000
Freeman left the Blue Mountains. One of the biggest lies

595
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,359
ever told about it. Absolute ridiculous. And of course Peter

596
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,200
Burns book doesn't help that at all. He says that

597
00:27:56,519 --> 00:27:58,680
I just read it a couple months ago again, and

598
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:01,680
I was astonished at the bad information that guy had

599
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,759
and was putting out in a book. It was very

600
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,480
disheartening about how the Blue Mountains are what he refers

601
00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:09,279
to as a dead zone where there should be sasquatches there,

602
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,559
but there are absolutely no bigfoots there whatsoever. It's like, oh,

603
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,559
what a ridiculous, dumb thing to say, honestly, And because

604
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:19,200
there are sighting reports that Van s Orchard documented in

605
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,279
the late eighteen hundreds of sasquatches. There's another one in

606
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,359
I think I think the forties if I remember right.

607
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,480
I mean, of course I'm a little squishy on that one,

608
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,240
not that it happened, but the nineteen forties state it

609
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:31,839
might have been the fifties. I remember in the late

610
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,720
nineteen sixties footprints were found on Mill Creek Road, which

611
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:36,160
is the same place that a lot of stuff still

612
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,599
happens today. Roger Patterson himself came out to investigate. In fact,

613
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,839
and in the nineteen seventies there was more stuff. It's

614
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,160
like everywhere else. The Bigfoots were there before, and the

615
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,559
bigfoots were there after. Paul left as well. I mean

616
00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:51,440
the last two years. I was out there. Last year

617
00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:54,559
and the year before I cast footprints on both of

618
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,160
my trips. So again, yeah, I'm putting this stuff into books.

619
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,799
I'm writing a book on the Blues. I'm working on it,

620
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,680
but I'm writing a book on what I think is

621
00:29:03,799 --> 00:29:06,599
up with sasquatches, like behaviors and stuff like that, which

622
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,880
may or may not be the same book as interesting

623
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,599
cases that I've personally investigated and what I think I've

624
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,839
learned from them. But honestly, don't you don't need to

625
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,519
ask me when is your book coming out this year?

626
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,200
It's not. I'll be lucky to get out and get

627
00:29:19,319 --> 00:29:21,920
any of these out in twenty twenty seven, because I'm

628
00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:26,160
still organizing. I'm still I mean, Bobo, you saw the room,

629
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,519
man like, it's a monumental task to get things in

630
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:31,319
order out.

631
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,119
Speaker 4: There and jam.

632
00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:37,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm literally still organizing not only the files

633
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:40,039
and whatnot, but at the same time, I'm trying to

634
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,440
figure out what does the workflow look like for any

635
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,119
of these projects. And I think last night, when I

636
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,119
ran across that de Hinden letter, and there are a

637
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,119
couple of other things in this particular folder as well,

638
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,680
I think what my workflow has got to be is

639
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,680
I just got to have to take my computer out

640
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:59,000
there and sit down and rummage through stuff, and when

641
00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:02,319
I find something, write a couple of paragraphs about it,

642
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,920
and then take a picture of the document, feed it

643
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,359
into a special folder on my computer, and so I

644
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,119
can work on it wherever I am, whether I'm in

645
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,440
the house or on the road at a gig or whatever.

646
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,359
You know, I'm trying to figure out a way to

647
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,160
do this because there's so much stuff out there. And

648
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,440
when I rummaged through papers, just like you and I did, Bobo,

649
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:24,000
I run across these these nuggets of information that would

650
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:27,039
be fantastic for a book. But you know, I got

651
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,279
to remember to take that nugget up to the house

652
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:33,079
and write some paragraphs about it. It's not as easy

653
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,279
as I mean, Matt. You know, Matt, you wrote a

654
00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,240
book already, but it's just not as easy as people

655
00:30:38,319 --> 00:30:41,039
think it might be. Yeah, one of the things I'm

656
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,799
going to do in one of these books is write

657
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:45,279
a chapter, or if I can get enough stuff, maybe

658
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:47,640
a whole book on cold cases. You know, cause I

659
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,960
think I did some pretty okay work on the Bossberg stuff,

660
00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:52,960
uncovered some new things that nobody knew about, and just

661
00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,599
recently I made another discovery in the realm of Bluff Creek.

662
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:58,799
I think I showed both of you guys that, and

663
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:01,640
actually I shared it with Daniel, So if you do describe,

664
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,359
if you do subscribe to his newsletter, you'll hear about

665
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:06,680
this thing next month. But yeah, a new discovery in

666
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,640
Bluff Creek and from the early days, the nineteen fifty

667
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,440
eight to nineteen sixty five days, we'll just call it

668
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,039
the nineteen fifty eight to sixties you know that whole realm,

669
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,480
new discovery has been made that nobody's ever written about before.

670
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:21,680
So I let Daniel publish it because you know, he

671
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,079
likes that stuff and whatever. He's always been a good

672
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:26,759
friend of mine. But yeah, I'll flesh it out, as

673
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:28,799
well as a bunch of other discoveries that I've made

674
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,359
now of the early nineteen sixties stuff. I think all

675
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,839
that stuff's going to go into a chapter in one

676
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,720
of these books, you know. So I don't know, I've

677
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,359
got a lot to write about. I just wish I

678
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:37,160
had more time to write.

679
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 4: So very good.

680
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,839
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

681
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:54,880
Will be right back after these messages. All right, let's

682
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,440
queue up the first voicemail here.

683
00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,319
Speaker 5: Hey, Bobo, Cliff and Matt Own from upstate New York.

684
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,039
And I've been a huge fan for about three four

685
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,200
years since I started watching the show with my grandma.

686
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,160
And I was really listening to the Fred Roll episodes,

687
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,200
you know, the guy who has Subarctic Alaska sasquatch, And

688
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:13,839
I was thinking about other reports that I've heard, and

689
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,359
I was thinking Alaskan sasquatches tend to be a lot taller, leaner,

690
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400
and aggressive than the ones that we have down here

691
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,680
in the forty eight based off of reports. Now, I

692
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,400
was wondering if these could be like a distinct subspecies

693
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:31,440
of some kind or something like that, and if so,

694
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:35,680
what do you think the geographic or like environmental divide

695
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,279
could be that makes these a distinct subspecies. I'd love

696
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:41,079
to hear your thoughts.

697
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:42,359
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, guys.

698
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 5: One more question, who does the intro theme? It's such

699
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,680
a funny theme. Me and my mom quota all the time.

700
00:32:50,039 --> 00:32:51,119
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear that too.

701
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for that one.

702
00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys enjoy it. That's all me. All

703
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,480
the intros that have done the little jingles, I'll get

704
00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:59,839
an idea and I do them pretty quick and slop

705
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,599
so as rock and roll should be done. So yeah,

706
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,680
I came up with that theme and then played out

707
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:07,079
like the drums, guitars, bass, saying it all in about

708
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,200
like twenty minutes. So it's a lot of fun. It's

709
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,400
a little bit of a spin on, at least chord wise,

710
00:33:12,759 --> 00:33:14,880
the motif. I was aiming for a little bit of

711
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,640
a Queen's we heard the champions, So glad to hear that.

712
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 4: You guys enjoy it. Yeah, I definitely think there could

713
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,759
be subspeed. I think there's definitely subspecies. I mean neither

714
00:33:22,759 --> 00:33:25,359
the killer well now I know there's like six subspecies

715
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,160
of them around before everyone just looking at it orca

716
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,119
you know, and I think I think it's similar, gonna

717
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:32,920
be similar with the squatch. I think there's gonna be

718
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:36,000
little variations, like you know, different when you get in

719
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,359
different geographic regions.

720
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:41,279
Speaker 2: Are enough of part Yeah, I don't think there's a subspecies. Yeah,

721
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:43,279
but not enough data to say that yet. And I

722
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:46,160
think that behavioral differences does not make a these species

723
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,880
or subspecies in anyway. If and I even wonder if

724
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,640
there's a strong tendency for the Alaskan ones to be

725
00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:54,880
leaner like you said, I would think they're actually more

726
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,440
robust and larger, taller, and thicker because of Bergman's rule.

727
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,759
I would also wonder if it's if it's a matter

728
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,240
of human interpretation that these things are more aggressive, just

729
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,680
like in Australia, all the literature says, oh, they're cannibals,

730
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,239
are going to kill us and blah blah blah. But

731
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,360
these are Australian folks are in the woods, oftentimes with

732
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,199
pittiloafers on. So I'm not there like where we were.

733
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,119
At least it was a beach culture, not a mountain culture.

734
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,199
And I think that's a human interpretation. So I question

735
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,360
those things. I sincerely question those assumptions.

736
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 4: Could be a big height for walking through snowdrows half

737
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,159
the year or three quarters of the.

738
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 2: Year could be I guess it could be. But at

739
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,079
the same time that being so cold, you would think

740
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:36,400
they would be more spherically shaped to retain heat, you know,

741
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,079
and that the larger massive surface ratio thing, the Bergman's rule,

742
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,800
So I would I don't, I would question those assumptions

743
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:44,840
at this point.

744
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I know we've talked about it before,

745
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:49,880
but we should definitely, you know, if you're interested in

746
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,559
those questions. I went out, I would definitely read Robert

747
00:34:52,639 --> 00:34:55,880
Alley's Raincoast Sasquatch. And there's a couple of other Alaska

748
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,760
oriented books that he's written subsequently, but that one's definitely

749
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:02,119
like the source material, and it's I guess you could

750
00:35:02,119 --> 00:35:04,880
say it's mostly coastal oriented, so it's not as much

751
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:10,000
interior elastic east, but man, it's it's still a great book,

752
00:35:10,039 --> 00:35:13,280
and you'll I think he's balanced enough that you'll see

753
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,199
the similarities between the reports in those regions and the

754
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,000
reports around the rest of the continent.

755
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,039
Speaker 4: Well, most of most of Roberts and Raincoast Subsquatches is

756
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,360
a very southeast which is like semi temperate rainforest, whereas

757
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,679
subargic Alaska is a whole nother trip.

758
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah.

759
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: I mean I could see that there would be some regional,

760
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,320
you know, clinal differences, but it's so hard to say

761
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,880
in terms of the subspecies question, because I think at

762
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,840
one point the subspecies of American black bear had gotten

763
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,559
up to like sixteen subspecies, and then genetics came along

764
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,599
and realized, like, no, most of those are spurious, they

765
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:49,719
don't really qualify as subspecies. So I think there was

766
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,599
a bit of a drive amongst researchers to sort of

767
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,840
identify slight differences and then be able to you know,

768
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,719
name a new subspecies after themselves, or be able to

769
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,480
claim some discovery. But so maybe there is, but I

770
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:04,840
tend to be a lumper and not a splitter, so

771
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,119
you know, there might be regional variations, but I sort

772
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,440
of doubt that there would be marked subspecies. But what

773
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,440
about Fleet Darby. I think globally certainly there would be.

774
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,239
There would have to be enough cut off of you know,

775
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:21,800
gene flow between Asia and North America. For example, although

776
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,920
I mean some species remain unchanged. I think the wolverine

777
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,440
is still gulo gulu in Asia as it is in

778
00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:33,280
North America, even though obviously they're not exchanging genetics for

779
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,519
that very very very long time, you know, many tens

780
00:36:36,519 --> 00:36:40,119
of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. But i'd

781
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:42,320
have to see if that's still true of other animals

782
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,400
that are both here and in Asia. You know, brown

783
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,679
bears would be a great example.

784
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: Really, Gulo gulo.

785
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:53,159
Speaker 3: Yep, that's the species and genus.

786
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:57,079
Speaker 2: It means glutton, glutton. It reminds me of about goony google.

787
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,159
Remember what is it Eddie Murphy delirious? Is that what

788
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:01,920
it was when he wrote that, like red leather suit

789
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:03,800
or whatever? And it was really popular back in the day.

790
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:04,519
Speaker 4: Yep.

791
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: He had a bit about bigfoot in there, and I

792
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,480
think he said that the goony googu or something like that,

793
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,119
didn't he I don't remember. That could be wrong, I

794
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,840
offer him, but that's what that's what my frail memory

795
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,599
is telling me. It's been a long time anyway. Should

796
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:19,360
we go to the next question?

797
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:23,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, here is your next written submission, Bobo.

798
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Georgido, great show as always. Why was Robert W.

799
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,519
Morgan not as well known as the Four Horsemen Sasquatchy.

800
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,239
Shouldn't he be a horseman too? Good question, Well.

801
00:37:37,199 --> 00:37:40,199
Speaker 3: He's definitely like a next gin. He would have come

802
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,519
up mostly in the seventies, so, you know, well after

803
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:47,159
the established four horsemen, although I guess Grants was like

804
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,079
a last shoe in at the tail end of the

805
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,239
sixties there. But Morgan, I think had some exposure and

806
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,519
some notoriety, and he was definitely good at spreading the

807
00:37:57,559 --> 00:38:00,280
word and getting you know, he had a few fishually

808
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,360
sponsored projects, and there were films made about those. But

809
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:06,079
and I enjoyed Robert Morgan's stuff.

810
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 2: You know, I met him.

811
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,639
Speaker 3: Some of the first interviews I ever did, almost twenty

812
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,039
years ago, were on his old blog talk radio show.

813
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:16,400
But I don't think he made contributions nearly as significant

814
00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:18,920
as at least Green and Krantz did.

815
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 4: No.

816
00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he had the American YETI expedition up here,

817
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,639
and he cast a couple of prints through the day

818
00:38:26,119 --> 00:38:28,239
over the over the years, if I remember right, like,

819
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,920
I have one of them. Actually it was cast on

820
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,159
this guy's property, and I know his brother, and you know,

821
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,480
so I ended up getting the original cast over there

822
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:38,000
at Bunkcombe Hollow, Bunkcombe Hollow is the name of the

823
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,519
place over by a like Merwin, I think it is,

824
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:42,679
or maybe swift Breservoir, But I think it was like

825
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,719
Merwin if I remember right. But yeah, it just I

826
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,800
think that a lot of his stuff. I spoke to

827
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,199
the guy who's kind of in control of his records

828
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,199
and stuff, and the guy wasn't even aware that he

829
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,320
was a bigfooter. He did so many other things. He's

830
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,800
somehow tied up in like some sort of like CIA

831
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,440
or FBI thing, And yet was he a treasure hun

832
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:03,320
or two? He might have been. I know he had

833
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,480
one of those like sort of like kind of like

834
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:07,440
a life like Peter Burn, where he had so many

835
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:09,960
things going and it seems so ridiculous and awesome and

836
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:12,960
everything just like that's what was going. He was everywhere,

837
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,679
you know, but I think he was maybe he was

838
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,400
just too diffuse in his efforts.

839
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was such a character. I remember people describing

840
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,280
him to me as like a big personality. And then

841
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,239
you know, and I saw some of those documentaries and

842
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,320
you know, read some of his books. I was like, oh, yeah,

843
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,039
he's definitely this big personality. And I remember one of

844
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,880
I was on his podcast twice in podcasts, you know,

845
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,360
his blog talk radio, but essentially early podcast And I

846
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,960
remember one of the times it might have been the

847
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,239
first time i'd met a friend of his who was like, oh,

848
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,000
you should ask this young guy to come on and

849
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:46,760
talk about his experiences and his research in North Georgia.

850
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,679
And I wouldn't have had a whole lot of value

851
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,920
to say anyway, So I'm certainly not lamenting it, but

852
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,360
I remember being so excited and then that came on

853
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,840
and SA and he had said, let me ask you something.

854
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,480
Have you ever seen tracks that did I can't even

855
00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:01,000
remember what the that up was, you know, have you

856
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,760
ever seen tracks that exhibited X, Y and Z because

857
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,199
one time and then he told his story for an

858
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,679
hour and then at the end was like, well, that's

859
00:40:08,679 --> 00:40:10,960
all the time we have for tonight. See I don't

860
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,880
think I said a word the entire time as the guest,

861
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,199
and so it did. It didn't offend me or anything

862
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:17,760
like that, but I was like, oh, yeah, he's definitely

863
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,760
like this a big ball of sort of charisma, you

864
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,000
know what I mean, just sort of a very much

865
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:24,960
a cult of personality sort of a guy.

866
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a good that's a good description cult

867
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,159
the personal I say, he came to the last I

868
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:33,760
went to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference like six years ago

869
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,199
or whatever. He was there. We'll take a picture with

870
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,760
him and on the stage and he got a special

871
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,960
recognition award from Mark for Ohio big Footing. And he

872
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,360
kept saying to me, like, what are you doing up

873
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,039
here on this stage? I said, well, I spoke like

874
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,039
just a minute ago, and he goes, who are you?

875
00:40:50,119 --> 00:40:52,599
What are you doing here? I just was laughing one

876
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,559
that is those are fair questions, but yeah, it was

877
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:57,519
actually seeking So I guess that's why I'm up here.

878
00:40:58,360 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: Was that the twenty twenty one conference.

879
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 3: No, I was at one Ohio conference that he was at,

880
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,960
and so I got to meet him in person and

881
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,480
speak with him. And then he gave a talk about

882
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:09,239
a lot of the things that he had done insult

883
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,719
Fork decades ago, and track finds that he had made

884
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,199
their I think maybe in the eighties or it could

885
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,559
have been in the nineties, but it was it was

886
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:20,639
several decades prior. So it was really interesting to meet

887
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,599
him and see him. And you know, I enjoy parts

888
00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,519
of his what's the Small Yellow Book called? I think

889
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,320
it's like the Bigfoot Field Observer's Manual or something like that.

890
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,880
I think there's some useful stuff in there. But yeah,

891
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,000
he's definitely a character.

892
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 4: You know.

893
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 3: I definitely enjoyed the guy, But I don't think, and

894
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,480
just in all fairness, I don't think that he necessarily

895
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,760
made the sort of contributions that would land him in

896
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,079
that sort of luminary category that we think of the

897
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:50,280
other four horsemen as and to me is specifically John

898
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,360
Green and Grover Krantz.

899
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.

900
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always been a problem for me putting Crash

901
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,079
in with the four Horses, because basically he started basically

902
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:02,599
the seventies. He's like late or nineteen sixty hours his

903
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:05,480
first Tommy dipped his toe into the squatch pool and

904
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,599
then so he's really got from the seventies and eighties nineties.

905
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:10,760
I think the four horse were the guys that started

906
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:11,519
in the fifties.

907
00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I guess would technically be I mean, the

908
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,480
first real field researchers, I guess you would have to

909
00:42:17,559 --> 00:42:20,440
say would be that Pacific Northwest Expedition, and so it

910
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:26,760
would be Green, Detendon, Ivan Marx, Bob Titmas and Peter burn, yeah.

911
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: Because they work together though, But you know, elsewhere, Cliff Olsen,

912
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:34,199
the late great Cliff Olsen, he saw a sasquatch in

913
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:36,519
the late fifties and started looking into it then and

914
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:37,840
he never stopped until he died.

915
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 3: Did he ever publish anything? I know that name, but

916
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:43,559
I can't remember if I've read any of his works

917
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:44,280
or anything like that.

918
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,519
Speaker 2: Now. He never wrote his own thing, but he and

919
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:50,119
Joe Blart pulled their efforts together and Joe produced that

920
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,199
The Big but Highway Book, which is excellent, of course,

921
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,440
very folks seeing down to earth and a lot of

922
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,519
fun to read and stuff. But so that's a lot

923
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,719
of Cliff Olsen's work with Joe b. Lart, because those

924
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,239
guys teamed up, and I kind of viewed Cliff and

925
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,519
Joe as being like the second generation of Bigfooters in

926
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:08,599
a way, you know, yeah, because even though the you

927
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,119
know the well, Cliff is dead when Joe's pretty old

928
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:12,960
at this point. But in fact I got a call

929
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:13,800
from Joe for to day.

930
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: Actually so nice guy.

931
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,119
Speaker 2: But anyway, I think that there's kind of the second

932
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:19,280
gen of Bigfoots. But Cliff was there at the very

933
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,760
beginning of it all. I don't know, But again I

934
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,840
never asked him about that before he passed. He was

935
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,840
a friend of mine. We'd go at the breakfast and

936
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,840
see each other. And he came to the museum right

937
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,920
when it opened because he died shortly thereafter. But just

938
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,360
one of those guys, like in one of those unsung heroes.

939
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say when it comes to those

940
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,320
luminaries or the people that we think of as the

941
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:40,639
four horsemen. And again I would not apply this as

942
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,000
heavily to to Hinden or Burn, but I think that

943
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,239
there are things that people contributed that are the basis

944
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,480
of so much other work that other work is dependent

945
00:43:49,559 --> 00:43:51,480
on it. And of course that at work is being

946
00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:55,760
rechecked and reverified, so to speak, or at least tested

947
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,519
to see if it remains consistent or certain ideas or

948
00:43:58,559 --> 00:44:02,039
concepts or hypotheses or patterns, et cetera. But I think

949
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,159
much of what Green did is kind of, at least

950
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:09,360
within the canon of Sasquatchrey, very axiomatic. And I think

951
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,760
a lot of Krantz's work is also fairly axiomatic to

952
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,320
Sasquatchrey itself. I think those would be the defining criteria.

953
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,639
Whereas Napier obviously is the first real anthropologist to get

954
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:23,000
involved and published on it in a way, but he

955
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,920
didn't really contribute anything that was axiomatic, and Morgan certainly

956
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,119
didn't either, I would say, and then there are other

957
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,719
people subsequently. You know, if George, if you're not a member,

958
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,639
I know that name is very familiar. I know we've

959
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,840
answered multiple questions from George edo before. I can't remember

960
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:39,280
if George as one of the pigeons or not, but

961
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,000
we did a whole pigeon episode about other people that

962
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:46,320
we think made big contributions that should be included in

963
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,559
this idea of I think I called it Unsung Heroes

964
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:53,400
and Various horse Folk. It was the name of the episode,

965
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,480
and so that was definitely worth revisiting, and in fact,

966
00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:58,960
maybe I'll throw that as a bonus in this feed

967
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:01,599
at some point for people who are not members, if

968
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:03,519
you want to hear members only episodes from the past

969
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:06,119
where we cover a lot of these people. Because that

970
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:08,239
was a really fun conversation, I think that'd be worth

971
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:10,639
tossing out here to people. But to me, that would

972
00:45:10,639 --> 00:45:12,599
be the big criteria. It's like, are there things that

973
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,199
we operate on now that are sort of foundational that

974
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,880
if you kick the legs out from under it, we'd

975
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:19,800
have to go back to the drawing board on a

976
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,400
lot of things. And I would say yes to John

977
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,880
Green doing that, and yes to Krantz doing that, and

978
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,159
not so much Robert W. Morgan, although he was very

979
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,760
active and influential, but not necessarily like I said, axiomatic.

980
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 4: Now, I'm going to get a definition for acxiomatic, a

981
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,760
foundational approach in mathematics and logic where a concept system

982
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,360
of theory is defined by a set of basic self

983
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,440
evident truths called axioms, rather than describing the concept and

984
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:49,199
simpler the terms gat to look that up when you

985
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:50,840
were talking about it. Very good.

986
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,159
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

987
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,960
Will be right back after these messages.

988
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 3: This I thought was an interesting hypothetical question here and

989
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:13,119
there it is for you, Cliff.

990
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 2: Okay, and it comes from Brian Levigne. I asked Gemini

991
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,840
what percentage of North Americans believe in Sasquatch. Its answer

992
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,920
was between eleven percent and twenty eight percent, approximately eighty

993
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:28,519
million people. That's a lot of bumper stickers. Many of

994
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:32,840
us know the sasquatches exist. But how many quote unquote

995
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,880
true believers do you guys think are out there?

996
00:46:36,599 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 4: Nors are believers?

997
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,559
Speaker 2: He wrote true believers in quotation marks. So that's and

998
00:46:41,639 --> 00:46:43,840
again that's where I always get tripped up. It's like,

999
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,480
but he said this, but he said this, you know,

1000
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,079
so I think a lot more people believe than no,

1001
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,760
that's for sure. I think a lot more people believe

1002
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:54,960
than have evidence or even aware of the evidence. I

1003
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,039
think it's like, like last week I went to go

1004
00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:59,559
see that comedian Rodney Norman. You know, he came to

1005
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,440
the musing him and he's super funny. To check him out.

1006
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,360
He he's hilarious, and he says, I believe because that's

1007
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,320
because I want to believe, you know, I want to believe.

1008
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,639
He said, I want to believe in everything. Well that's

1009
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:12,960
not a real strong place to come from, but literally,

1010
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,800
in my life that would be a shot down pretty quick.

1011
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,760
But you are a Santa comedian, so have Adam, and

1012
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:18,280
that's awesome.

1013
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,519
Speaker 4: But true believers, the eleven percent sounds about right, and

1014
00:47:22,599 --> 00:47:25,079
then twenty eight percent for like those are like probably

1015
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,000
like could be like leaning more towards that than not,

1016
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,760
you know, probably something like that.

1017
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,519
Speaker 2: I bet it's geographical though, because I think in the

1018
00:47:32,559 --> 00:47:36,119
Pacific Northwest, I bet you I wouldn't be surprised as

1019
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,039
something close to forty percent of the people up here

1020
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,960
probably think there might be something to it. I heard.

1021
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 4: I've heard that set actually for the Pacific Northwest.

1022
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 2: Well, but Seattle did a thing a few years ago,

1023
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,360
and I forget what the number was. Who was something

1024
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,119
like twenty one percent or something, wasn't it. Do you

1025
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:51,559
remember that? Am I wrong?

1026
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 4: I can't remember the numbers now that I remember seeing

1027
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:55,320
that stuff.

1028
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,599
Speaker 2: I think the people outside of town either more inclined

1029
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,239
to believe, or when they don't believe, they're more adamant

1030
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,000
about it, because I would have seen it by now.

1031
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,280
One of those things, you know.

1032
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:07,079
Speaker 3: I think it's so hard to tell. And I don't

1033
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,320
know where these numbers ever get generated, because I always

1034
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,079
think when I see things about poles that there's a

1035
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:16,400
selection bias in place, because you're only getting information from

1036
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,800
the kind of people who take poles. And you know,

1037
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,599
I don't know many people who are like, oh yeah,

1038
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,000
I'll take that poll, or I'll spend time filling out

1039
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,159
this survey. You know, that's a special kind of person.

1040
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,280
I've had this conversation with people where they'll say, well,

1041
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:32,400
just look at the number of festivals. Like a good

1042
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,320
example would be Hawking Hills, right, because it's a street fair,

1043
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,199
street festival, and so they had what thirty thousand, forty

1044
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,360
thousand people roll through, And so people use that as

1045
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,159
a proxy. And I'll say, look, not everyone who's going

1046
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,920
to the festival is a believer in the proposition. You know,

1047
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,599
they don't accept the proposition that the Sasquatch exists. It's

1048
00:48:51,639 --> 00:48:55,000
a local event. There's food trucks and vendors, and it's

1049
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:56,800
something fun to do and bring the family to. And

1050
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,639
so you can't look at the attendees of large public

1051
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,679
festivals and treat that like it's some sort of a

1052
00:49:04,079 --> 00:49:08,039
barometer of the nation or the continent's belief in the

1053
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:12,079
existence of you know, a corporeal species of sas squander

1054
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:12,840
who goes.

1055
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 4: To paid conferences. That's the window of that down.

1056
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's there's those sorts of things or even

1057
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,599
you know, I think a lot of the people that

1058
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,880
listen to podcasts don't even I mean, there's there's plenty

1059
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,400
of things that I listen to because they're interesting or

1060
00:49:25,559 --> 00:49:28,079
entertaining that I have no dog in the fight in

1061
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,840
and you know, I feel that way about a lot

1062
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:31,599
of UFO stuff that I listen to. I'm like, oh,

1063
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:33,440
this is just interesting and it kind of turns my

1064
00:49:33,559 --> 00:49:36,559
brain off and just entertains me for an hour while

1065
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,199
I'm driving or something. And so you could go, oh, well,

1066
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,320
this UFO podcast has many millions of listeners. It's like, well,

1067
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,440
that doesn't mean that every listener believes that every word

1068
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,159
of that is absolutely true or whatever the case may be.

1069
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:50,559
So I don't know how anyone would really arrive at that.

1070
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:54,320
I find that most people that I talk to are like, oh,

1071
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,800
it's interesting, and you know, maybe there is something and

1072
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,559
but I don't know that that would qualify as what

1073
00:49:59,679 --> 00:50:03,360
Brian defining his quote true believers. You know, I still

1074
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,199
think the people who absolutely accept the proposition, whether they've

1075
00:50:08,199 --> 00:50:10,119
seen one or not, you know, let's just say people

1076
00:50:10,159 --> 00:50:13,920
who believe rather than no. It's probably not as high

1077
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,440
as that eleven to twenty eight percent, But I mean,

1078
00:50:16,519 --> 00:50:18,840
maybe I could be wrong, but I do think that's

1079
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,920
a number that's like unknowable.

1080
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, and.

1081
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: People want to believe, that's for sure. And look at

1082
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,159
some of the nonsense. It gets thrown out on everybody.

1083
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of people that have seen him

1084
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:33,039
and refuse to believe in that they see him because

1085
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:34,679
they're scared. Yeah.

1086
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 2: I just see all the garbage put out by the

1087
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,280
media and stuff, and then it's like, oh, I believe

1088
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,039
it was on the news. I believe it.

1089
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 4: It's like, well, come on, man, to talk about snake.

1090
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 2: It might be I got like three people this week

1091
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:50,039
have emailed me to ask me if that's real.

1092
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,599
Speaker 4: Dude, Pauli's arguing with you that it's real, that he's legit.

1093
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,960
I'm like, what do you talk I've got a bunch

1094
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,000
of comments like, dude, if you check this guy out,

1095
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:00,840
this looks like real deal. I'm just like, oh, just

1096
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:02,119
shake my.

1097
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 2: Head by Pizza Polly. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, that's

1098
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:11,079
It's just so disappointing that people that even slightly entertained

1099
00:51:11,119 --> 00:51:13,159
that that might be real, because it's the same it's

1100
00:51:13,199 --> 00:51:15,679
the same dummied like model thing as uh Rick dyre

1101
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,199
used and Henk Yeah, Hank exactly. This put they slapped

1102
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:21,639
some eyebrows on it and changed the makeup a bit.

1103
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 4: Man.

1104
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: So disappointing that, but again, that just shows you people

1105
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,519
are ready to believe anything, you know, in this weird

1106
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,760
post truth world that we've inherited, people believe anything, and

1107
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,239
if you tell them, like, well, that's kind of not

1108
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,159
real at all. And he's the reasons that they won't

1109
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:37,760
even believe that. It's like, it's like you being dead, Bobo.

1110
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:41,920
People won't believe that you're not dead. They want to

1111
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,760
believe you're dead.

1112
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:46,039
Speaker 3: We got to give a shout out to our good

1113
00:51:46,119 --> 00:51:49,880
friend Wes over at Sasquatch Chronicles. Just earlier today, listeners,

1114
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:53,239
Wes texted us a screenshot of a text exchange he

1115
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,199
had with someone, and he cut out the name, so

1116
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,679
I don't know who this was, so we're, well, we're

1117
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:59,800
going to assume that it's what Wes is good buddies,

1118
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:03,400
but he's it's a screenshot where somebody asked, what about

1119
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,000
this dude Snake who has a bigfoot body, to which

1120
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,360
Wes responded, are you asking me if some guy named

1121
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:15,400
Snake the bigfoot hunter has a real bigfoot body? Funny,

1122
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:18,840
and he said, I know you guys would appreciate this,

1123
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,000
and we had a good laugh about it. Yeah, Yeah,

1124
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,159
any more questions, bro, yep, we'll do a couple more

1125
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,159
here before we roll over to the pigeon side.

1126
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:31,039
Speaker 4: So this is a good one for you, Bobo, Okay,

1127
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,840
Carl Wiland, I came across Bo's Bigfoot Encounters on of

1128
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,039
the fourth time on TV and was disappointed to see

1129
00:52:39,079 --> 00:52:42,599
that there were only three episodes. They were amazing. Are

1130
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:44,960
there are their plans for future episodes? Boa did a

1131
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,440
great job getting the eyewitnesses to detail their encounters. Thank you.

1132
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,360
Now would find on doing any more of those? No,

1133
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,119
not for not anytime the next several months, that's for sure,

1134
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:58,159
if they needed to be next year. But thanks, I

1135
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:00,840
mean that's the first thing compliments I got.

1136
00:53:02,199 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 3: Oh, people love it, like I've been posting that link

1137
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:06,159
every time we mention it, and once again I'll put

1138
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:07,559
a link to that in the show notes so that

1139
00:53:07,559 --> 00:53:09,119
it'll take you right to the two B listing so

1140
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,920
you can watch it, you know, on your mobile device

1141
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,440
or on your lab stop if you have the two

1142
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:15,559
B app on your TV. Yeah, I put a link

1143
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:19,000
to Sarah's episode specifically in that last episode with that

1144
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,599
we did with Sarah's catching up about her return trip

1145
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:25,400
to the Marble Mountains. But yeah, it's been nothing but

1146
00:53:25,519 --> 00:53:27,239
positive feedback everywhere that I've seen.

1147
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 4: Oh really, God, So I was bout on like the

1148
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,280
music and like the announcer's voice, and so that was

1149
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,639
all my fault. I didn't get it done like I

1150
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,199
wanted to get it downstairs the production company how to

1151
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,159
like just throw that part together At the end.

1152
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:41,599
Speaker 3: I think they turn out well. It seems like people

1153
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:43,920
really enjoy it, so I will put a link there again,

1154
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,400
So go go check them out, folks, and maybe Bobo

1155
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,440
can get some more of than episodes there in the

1156
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:53,920
can for you. And then let's do one last voicemail.

1157
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,239
Here we get questions along these lines, but it's been

1158
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,320
a while since we've gotten one of these, and so

1159
00:53:58,440 --> 00:53:59,639
here's your last voicemail.

1160
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,679
Speaker 6: Hi, guys, this is Simon from the UK and I

1161
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,800
just wanted to ask you a question. I've been interested

1162
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,719
in the big Foot subject for over thirty years now

1163
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,719
and it's sort of on my book at list to

1164
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,239
attend a big Foot conference or a show in the

1165
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,159
US at some point in the future, but possibly even

1166
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,639
go on an expedition if there was one available, and

1167
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,239
I wondered which of those you would recommend. I know

1168
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,039
that you guys have traveled to and attended quite a

1169
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:30,480
lot of them.

1170
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 4: I did.

1171
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Speaker 6: You still live in Canada over twenty years ago on

1172
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Vancouver Island, and at that time I found Bigfoot conferences

1173
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and forums and stuff that weren't as common, so I

1174
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:48,960
never got the opportunity to do any socializing with fellow

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00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,119
bigfoot US or go on an expedition. So it's something

1176
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you know that I've always wanted to do, so I'd

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like to hear your opinion. I also read Matt's book

1178
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,559
last year, The Phenomenals Ask Question, and thought it was excellent.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guy. I haven't been on a conference for a

1180
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long time, so I would I wouldn't know what the

1181
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latest ones are, but they're all good in their own right.

1182
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I mean, if you want to go like a mixed

1183
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,840
one like cryptid coonf you're interested in like all kinds

1184
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of difference, that one's that's that's great, that's a really

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good one. And then there's the one up in the

1186
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,400
one what's that one clip up on the top of

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00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,920
main up at saw Saint Marie up in the border

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00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,920
of Canada. But it's really hard to get there. But

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that's that's if you're into that multiple disciplines, like you know,

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UFO's ghosts and dog Man and fire breathing worms and

1191
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:36,400
all that kind of stuff. But for just straight bigfoot,

1192
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,320
what would you say, like a Ohio is great smoking

1193
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:40,840
because you probably want to go on the East Coast.

1194
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:44,599
I'd imagine the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference is usually pretty good.

1195
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,079
But I like that Smoking Mountain Conference a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think that nowadays what we need to we need

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00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,719
to look for is who's speaking, what do you want

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00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:55,119
to get from it? You know, like Crypton con to

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the one that Bobo mentioned right away that was coming

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00:55:57,119 --> 00:55:58,840
up in November. I know I'm going to be there.

1201
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,239
A bunch of weather folks are going there. That's a

1202
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,320
good mix because the organizers recognize that the television personalities

1203
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,400
bring people in, right, So they're going to have a

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00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:11,320
number of people representing various television shows and stuff, and

1205
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,000
they're also going to have a lot of people that

1206
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:15,960
most people don't really know about, like who just do

1207
00:56:16,159 --> 00:56:18,480
solid Bigfoot research and that's it, and they're not really

1208
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:21,440
on the shows so much because they're in the woods

1209
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:23,880
doing what they love to do. And so Cryptocon I

1210
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,800
find strikes a really good balance between the entertainment side

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00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:29,920
and the actual real research side, which I think is

1212
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,519
great because real research isn't done on television, is the

1213
00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:34,760
bottom line? Then take it for me. I worked on

1214
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,639
TV for nine years, right, so it's just not done there.

1215
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,360
Like the new breaking stuff isn't going to be released

1216
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,079
on that kind of stuff. They may feature it on

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00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:44,639
a segment or something, but that's it. So I would

1218
00:56:44,679 --> 00:56:47,360
recommend looking at just shop around for where you want

1219
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,519
to be and then look at the people speaking. That's

1220
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:52,559
the best way to do it. There's not a conference

1221
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:58,320
that is necessarily year in year out, absolutely hands down

1222
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,000
the best. That just doesn't really happen. And as far

1223
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:03,440
as expeditions go, again, it comes down to where do

1224
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:04,920
you want to go. Do you want to see the

1225
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:07,239
Pacific Northwest? Sounds like you've already been here. Maybe you

1226
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,639
want to go somewhere easier to grab like Massa Massages budget.

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Speaker 4: Doing his final one coming up. That's that's going to

1228
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,119
be a great one. Yeah.

1229
00:57:16,159 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: The BFRO runs really good expeditions for the most part.

1230
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,639
Of course, they vary, you know, I'm not going to

1231
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:22,519
lie to you, Like Matt has a lot of people

1232
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:27,000
working for him, you know, and the organizers run the expeditions,

1233
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:29,360
so and some organizers are just frankly better at it

1234
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,440
than others are. Some cook, some don't, Some are out

1235
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,639
in the woods all the time, some just do chase

1236
00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:37,800
for citing reports. They all have something to offer, but

1237
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,920
they're all going to differ in flavor. So you really

1238
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:43,400
want to look at who the organizer is and most importantly,

1239
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:47,760
what habitat, what terrain like, what area the geographical area

1240
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,719
of the country do you want to visit and check

1241
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,280
out in a big through a bigfoot lens. I think

1242
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,159
those are the most important things to weigh.

1243
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:58,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, and since you mentioned Crypticon, that is a good one.

1244
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,679
Simon brought up the social aspect, like getting to sit

1245
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,559
down and speak with other researchers, you know, one on one,

1246
00:58:04,639 --> 00:58:07,039
are face to face rather than just sitting in a

1247
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,760
crowd and listening to lectures. I think cryptocon is great

1248
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:11,239
for that. This year, it's going to be at a

1249
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,079
different venue too that I think will be a lot

1250
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,639
more accommodating, conducive, etcetera. So they're doing it at Bell

1251
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:20,280
Terra Casino in Florence, Indiana this year, and Cliff will

1252
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,039
be there, as he mentioned, I'll be there. A great researcher,

1253
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,480
Tom Shay will be there. And then in terms of

1254
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:28,519
you know, researchers that you might have seen on screen, obviously,

1255
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,760
Maria Russ and Bryce from Expedition Bigfoot will be there.

1256
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,320
There's going to be a number of people our friends

1257
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:35,559
and from the Mountain Monsters, you know, wild Bill and

1258
00:58:36,039 --> 00:58:38,159
Buck and Huckleberry will be there. So that's going to

1259
00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:38,960
be a really good event.

1260
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: And that's coming up.

1261
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: I'll put a link in the show notes, but that's

1262
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,039
going to be November twenty first and twenty second of

1263
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:45,639
this year, So I don't know if that's too quick

1264
00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,199
a turnaround time for you there, Simon, but that would

1265
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:49,840
be a good one. And I guess while we're talking

1266
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,719
about events too, I got word that the cabins for

1267
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,360
the Alaska Bigfoot crews are almost all gone. There's only

1268
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:58,639
a few left. So I'll have that link in the

1269
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:00,559
show notes too if anyone's interested and coming on that.

1270
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:03,840
I'm super excited about that. But yeah, I definitely think

1271
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,800
something like Crypto Con or the Ohio Bigfoot Conference is

1272
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,519
another good opportunity to not only see a lot of speakers,

1273
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,679
but to get you FaceTime and interact and ask questions

1274
00:59:13,719 --> 00:59:16,079
because everyone's just under the same roof for a whole weekend,

1275
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:19,480
and so the social and interactive portion of it is

1276
00:59:20,079 --> 00:59:20,760
just excellent.

1277
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:22,079
Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: Well, with that, are we done? Go to the member

1279
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section and.

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Speaker 5: Do some ring?

1281
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 4: I think so. Yeah. All right, folks, Well that was

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another episode. Thanks for joining us. Hit like, hit share.

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until next week, you'all keep it squatchy.

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