Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys
are a favorites, so light say subscribe and rage it.
Speaker 2: Stay and the greatest on Esterday and listening watching always
keep its watching.
Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 4: How's it gone?
Speaker 2: It's going all right. I'm out and about and bigfoots
are out and about. Really cool stuff has been going on.
I mean I've done two sightings investigations. I had a
track find and that is all in the last week. No,
I take that back. One of the sightings was a
week a week ago Friday, so nine days ago. The
one on Friday was over at Promontory Park and I
haven't written about that one yet on the blog. And
that was a lot of fun. Actually I might even
make a video out of that one because it was
so much fun. But someone saw a couple of guys
actually saw one over at Promontory Park Friday night, right
the on July third, like the campground was full and everything,
but like that area where it was, I guess he
was probably just tell the story about it real fast.
If we have the time. I know we have a
Q and a to do today, but there's always big
foot stuff to talk about. Sure, yeah, so these two
guys are I think there were two guys that they're
camping in Promontory Park. There's like a campground there, you know.
They they kind of dam up the Qlacamus River so
it forms a lake at that point. I think it's
Faurday Lake if I remember right, but Uhday, I think
that's what is Faraday fa r A d A y.
I think, oh yeah, something like that. Well, these I
guess about nine in the evening, and mind you, this
is the Pacific Northwest, and it's not that far right
now from the summer solstice, so it's still pretty light
at that point. This guy was sitting over at a
dock because you know, it's like right there in the water.
It's sitting on a dock at nine, so it's pretty dusky.
And I guess the deal is he saw something that
appeared to be on two legs across the river, and
of course it's a lake at this point. It's not
a real big lake, but it's one hundred yards two
hundred yards across, probably probably one hundred and fiftywo hundred
yards something like that, and up up I guess downstream
from him really thinking about it, is something came down
off the opposing slope. Now, the opposing slope is very
steep for most of it, and there aren't really any
roads up there at all. Like I'm on top of
the mesas sort of thing. I guess it kind of is.
You know, although Mace is strictly a desert formation, so
on top of the hill or the mountain or whatever,
there's there's some roads and up there, but really not
that many at all. It feel a free to look
at Google, Google Earth or Google Maps or whatever or
the mapping software of your choice and look across from
a promontory park there and you're going to see that
there's not a lot going on up there. So anyway,
this two legged thing comes down in one of the draws,
because you know, water does seep down there, and it's
over the decades and millennia. It's kind of cut a
little you know, V shape thing. So something comes out
of a brushy V shaped little valley deal and goes
in the water, and I think the guy said it
floated or something like. Basically it went downstream a little
bit and then got back out of the water, and
he goes, well, that was weird because and he knows
darn well that like there's nothing over there. There's no
reason for people to be over there, that there are
no boats over there docked or anything. Not that you
could there's no docks, but like you can't pull over there, right.
He goes, well, that that was really weird and just
kind of like put it to bed, and so he was.
Later on, he was camping just a few hours later.
This is like at twelve forty five, maybe one o'clock
in the morning, somewhere in that zone. He's in his campsite,
and it's just like a regular campground, you know, fire
pits and bathrooms, there's a fish cleaning station and all. Yeah,
all that kind of stuff, and it's sold out. It's
fourth of July weekend at about twelve forty five. They're
hanging out by the like he his buddy or hanging
out by the fire, I guess, and he sees he
looks across the road and of course right across the
road there's another campsite, obviously, but on the other side
of that camp site is the fish cleaning station up
on a little hill and we're talking like fifty feet
behind this other campsite, and you can see it because
there's a bathroom there and there's a light there or whatever.
And something catches his eye, and apparently what he sees
is a very large man sort of thing walking from
left to right away from the fish cleaning station. And
he says, oh, there it is again, you know, and
her he ran out and tried to see it again. Okay,
the fish cleaning station. I've been there. I did the investigation.
The fish cleaning station has it's like a little i guess,
like a roof like structure, and then underneath the roof
like structure is a sink, you know, and that kind
of thing the cleaner fish and the guts go away
and all that sort of stuff. But the eaves of
the roof are about seven and a half eight feet tall.
I was right there next to it. Keith, who's much
taller than I. He estimated it about eight feet tall,
you know, that kind of thing. And whatever this thing was,
the head of it was even to the eaves or
slightly taller than the eaves and walking from left to right. Now,
this is the weird thing. This is the weird thing.
He said that it looked like it was wearing like
a slicker, like a yellow jacket or something like that.
It's like, well, how could that be that, you know,
that's totally weird. But it was too big to be
a person. So I don't really think sasquatches going on
wearing clothes very often. But that's what he said. And
he was reluctant, No, no, no, it wasn't raining, beautiful weather,
but it was. He was reluctant to tell. I guess
I wasn't there when he reported it. Keith and Jill
were working the shop. I was not in the shop
at the time, but he said I was. Didn't want
to tell you, guys because you'd think I'm crazy, But
it looked like it was wearing like a yellow slicker
or something like that. So well, that's weird. And I
don't know. I mean, I know that sometimes apes actually
throw some clothes on or whatever, but I don't think
that's the case. And I think it's probably a play
of light or And mind you, it was fairly dark.
There is a light on the bathroom not far from there,
but it is a good distance away at night. I
don't know if the guys were drinking or anything like that.
You know, who knows what they could have been doing,
who knows, But I assume it's just some sort of
play of the light as the thing ran off, but
the size of the figure strongly suggests sasquatch. Right, So
he ran out into the road, and he couldn't run
right over there because of the campsite, so he veered
over to the right and tried to see it again,
and he never saw it again. And that's basically all
we got. So we got something that sounded pretty decent,
you know, pretty good because I know the area pretty well,
and there's there should be nobody across the river. So
whatever they saw about nine pint forty five was probably
his sasquatch. I don't see you have any reason to
doubt it. And then of course this saying in the
campground wearing a yellow slicker. I mean it was nighttime.
I'm not sure you'd be able to see yellow very well.
There's also a possibility because I have not gone there
at night. Maybe just an illusion because of the type
of bulb that was. Maybe it's some sort of like
mercury bulb or something that has a yellow tinge. I
don't really know, but yeah, this is just one of
those where the guy saw something unusual, but I don't
know what it is. I suspect it's probably again, probably
just a play of light, because I can see that,
like if the Sasquatches, if even saw a Sasquatch, I
don't even know, you know, who knows, maybe the Bigfoot
on the brain after seeing the first one or the
one earlier in the night. I have no idea at all.
So I went out there with Keith the next day. Actually, no, no,
that's not true. He saw it Friday. He reported it
to us on Tuesday. I guess his buddy was encouraging,
was you just tell him, just tell him. Not every
gonna think I'm crazy, just tell him. So he finally
came in and told us, and we wrote down the
details and I got a text at the time. And
so the next day Keith and I went out there
and I said, well, screw it, man, let's just go.
Let's just go to the like the little building where
you can, you know, rent campsites and all that. Sid
I just walked in and talked to the campground house like, hey,
my name's Cliff, and I owned that Bigfoot museum over there.
And someone told me they saw they maybe saw a sasquatch,
and the lady didn't blame She goes, oh, yeah, yeah,
we heard about that. It is oh cool, cool. Would
you mind if I go and park and go look
around and say no, no, that'd be great. And then
she brought a map out and showed me where the
fish cleaning station was, and I told her what I knew,
and she goes, oh, we kind of assumed it was
over here in this area, but you're telling me those
over here. I guess I had better information because they
were just kind of guessing where things might have been.
And so we went and looked around, and I can't
say we found anything we can hang our hat on.
And of course they saw it on Friday, and they
had the entire Fourth of July weekend in between what
they sold out campsite, so I didn't expect to find anything.
But despite of that, I did actually find a few
things that maybe were footprints, because I decided, since the
campground was totally sold out, that the best avenue if
I was going to find anything at all, would not
be to look on the pathway where the guy saw
it move, since he did not see it immediately after
the episode at the fish cleaning station, and I know
the direction that it went. I looked in the thickest
brush I could find in that direction. Actually, there was
some pretty good brush in that area, and I found
some things that maybe maybe we're footprints. Maybe it's really
hard to say, really hard to say, but yeah, so
nothing I could really hang our hats on, you know.
And then of course after that, Keith and I were
we went back to the dock and go, well, how
are we going to get across the river? Man? I mean,
it's a long ways.
Speaker 4: What are we going to do?
Speaker 2: And so I had this bright idea, well, let's go
over to the marina, because there's a marina in the
lake there, and let's just see if maybe a fisherman
or you know, somebody renting a pontoon boat is coming
back in and maybe we can thumb a ride. And
so yeah, we're worth a shot, right, didn't seem like
anybody was coming in. We waited around for about twenty
minutes and just we didn't. We didn't. We didn't think
that was very hopeful. So we went into the shop
there and and we went up to the guy at
the desk and go like, hey, someone said, they may
have seen a sasquatch and we're hoping to rent a canoe.
I know, kayaks for forty bucks an hour. What would
you give us a canoe for if we're going to
do a bigfoot investigation? And the guy laughed or whatever,
and he he said that They said, I'll give it
to you for thirty bucks sold. You know, because I
have a museum, and renting a kayak for a sasquatch
investigation in my life is tax deductible. So I went
ahead and paid for it, and Keith and I zipped
across the river to where the guy saw it, because
there's only one spot because like I said, it's pretty
much a sheer cliff the entire way except for this
one draw in the vicinity where he said he saw it.
So he went over there, and you know, I found
sign of deer and stuff going up down, But there
was one thing, one thing at the very edge of
the water that kind of looked like a footprint, but
it did look like it was getting back onto shore.
And based on the story, that's not where I would
imagine it would have happened. But you know, I didn't
see the sasquatch, do it or whatever. But yeah, so
I got to go boating the other day. That was
kind of a fun, unexpected side side quest on my
journey there. That was pretty cool, and I filmed it all.
So I'm thinking I might piece that together into a
museum video this month. I'm not really sure what I'm
gonna do yet, but that would be a good one
because it was just so much fun and so unexpected.
Speaker 4: That was an interesting lenke. I was just looking at
it on the aerial. Is that long chat it is?
I gets some kind of electricity production site.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, the dam at the end, I think
it has a power generator in it or something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's got that like that long chatle,
like those parallel of the river for quite a way
is well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, below that, below the dam, that's where Esticata Lake is.
And when we filmed one of the episodes here, we literally,
you guys literally did an investigation at Esticada Lake. Yeah,
numerous reports out of that one spot as well. So
and of course up on top of that hill that
in that general direction, that's where Memoloose circles around. That's
where Hillockburn Road, and like there's all these little nooks
and crannies up in there where. There's a lot of
historical sighting reports up in that general area. South Fork
of the Klacamus is an excellent location that used to
be the water source for Oregon City, so there's all
these tunnels and cool infrastructure things back in there if
you have a way to get on that side. But
that's the trick. Do you have a way to get
on that side of the river. That's why if the
guy saw some somebody walking around, is something on two
legs walking around, it's a ninety percent chance it's a
sasquatch because or ninety nine percent because there just really
isn't any way to get over there. For the most part,
stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Bogo will be right back after these messages. Of course,
that the high Rocks siding might talked about that one,
or I wrote about that one on the NABC blog.
Those might have been tracks the pictures I put up.
I don't really know. The area is really good. And
then of course I went out on Tuesday. I found
a sasquatch track out there, and I'm pretty sure. I'm
about eighty percent sure, maybe ninety percent by now that
it is a known individual that I cast last year,
not fifty yards away from where I found it this year,
but about a month before is al So I.
Speaker 4: Was listening to the new members only one for Sasquatch Chronicles,
and it was a dude that grew up in Sandy
that had a bunch of stuff happened in the seventies
and eighties.
Speaker 2: Oh, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. And I've got
some reports out of Tickle Creek in the eighties. Tickle
Creek is there's a real, real popular like hiking, sort
of parky sort of trail.
Speaker 4: In fact.
Speaker 2: I oh, that's another thing. I spoke at the Sandy
Mountain Festival this past weekend on Saturday as well, like
the local you know, the beer garden, vendor, community parade
festival thing. Was talking, Oh I did, they didn't just
me talking. I wish I had a slide show. I
think those are cooler. But I brought a bunch of
casts and you know, and talked about stuff and let
them did a show and tell sort of thing, you know, right, Yeah,
But it was nice because I like doing the local
stuff because that we have a much higher possibility of
getting their boots in the door than if I did
a gig in like you know, Florida or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh, that got that saw. I wanted to say.
One of the interesting things he reported was they saw
big male that had one of the hands that had
white like the back of the hand was all white hair.
So he's wondered that anyone else had reported seeing a
white handed squash, like a big one like nine plus foot.
Speaker 2: No, I've never heard it. Just the hand was white.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just the hand.
Speaker 2: No, I've never heard that before. We do have reports
of a white one actually back in about I want
to say nineteen ninety. I think it was about nineteen ninety,
give or take a couple of years if I remember correctly.
There's a place out here called a Guide Dogs for
the Blind. They train guide dogs for the blind. You know,
it's all the name. And before the property owner who
owned it, before they bought it and turned it into
a commercial facility, there were two sidings on that guy's
property over a period of a couple months back in
I think around ninety ninety or ninety one. I remember
he told this. We have it written down at the shop,
but I'm not at the shop right now. So I
remember him saying that it was a really bad snow year,
and I think, if I remember right, I think one
of the Sasquatches, or maybe the same one that came back.
I don't remember. It was a light colored one that
he described as almost white. So if I remember right, yeah,
let's way. I grew up with like four hundred acres
and actually a BMX track sits still there is really
a BMX track. I don't know where that is. We're
motocross Maybe wouldn't be too surprising. And you know, I
remember when I first moved into this house, I was
getting some electrical work done and two twenty. Like I
can do the one ten stuff, it doesn't it scares me,
but yeah, I've done it, you know, But the two
twenty stuff, I screw that. I don't want to deal
with that, so I bring in electricians for that. And
I was getting like when I first moved in, I
was doing the two twenty stuff out in the outbuilding
and the guy came over. He was a licensed electrician
and his son who was his apprentice, and his son
was about twenty two at the time. And this must
have been in twenty seventeen. He, you know, hanging out
with me. It doesn't take very long before we started
talking about sasquatches somehow. So he told me that he
saw a sasquatch a little bit south of town, then
a little bit uh west too on logging land company,
but not like logging like Warehous your land. It was
actually the Boring Logging Company or something like that. I
think that was the name of the company where one
of those places where I think they store the logs
and all that, or it's outside of Boring Oregan. He
and his buddies, I guess were trespassing. They're like when
they were like sixteen or something like that, trespassing and
probably drinking some beer or something. I don't know what
they're doing. But he said that he saw a sasquatch
over there, which is pretty far in, a lot further
in than most people would think. But you know, I
mean for you and I or whatever, we've done investigations
literally all over the world. Just because they're in close
doesn't mean they didn't see one. I mean, I'll go
back to my analogy again. The vast majority of fishermen
cast past the fish, and I think that's true. Of
sasquatch researchers too. Yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah, because they're
right here.
Speaker 4: Well, Bart drives up to Washington a couple of times,
You're like three times a year Sierra's and then there's
all these stuff popping up just right you said him,
like twenty minutes thirty minutes away. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you're everybody loves to go to the Olympics,
I get that. You know, everybody loves to go to
Bluff Creek, I get that too. But if you're if
that's the only time. I'm not not saying this about Bart.
You know, Bart does go out in his local woods.
But if the only time you go bigfooting is when
you drive six to twelve hours, you should you should
think again, there's probably sound squatches closer.
Speaker 4: To that, unless you're like in Central Nevada. Definitely something closer.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but almost nobody lives in Central Nevada right exactly,
probably because there's no big foots there who would want
to live there unless you're into UFOs, in which case,
go get them.
Speaker 4: So we got question and answers. I guess rock in today.
Speaker 2: Rumor has it what we got through?
Speaker 3: It got quite a few that came in, and so
I will alternate. We only got a couple of voicemails
for this one, so let's start with a written submission,
and it's in the chat now.
Speaker 4: Carter L. Hey, guys, love the podcast. Do you think
squatches will ever be comfortable enough to communicate with humans
directly or to get closer with their hairless cousins us?
Probably not as a species, but there's been an individual
accounts of people getting like some kind of relationshipulate that
they live you know, they live by and like they
come on their property and putting out food and stuff
like that, they exchange gifts that I don't know about
full communication, it seems it's possible. You know, we'll see
what happens, no doubt it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think whatever interactions are going to be there are
going to be about the same level as what you'd
maybe get out of a bear or an elk or
some other like wildlife. And of course I know sasquatches
are probably smarter than bears and elk and certainly elk
and all that kind of stuff, But I think that
these things are wild animals whatever they are, and no
matter how human like you think personally that you think
these things are. They're essentially wild animals that are living
out there. They don't want anything to do with us.
They don't understand us. We probably scare them quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Sometimes. I mean they come in and interact all the
time with campers and you know, people working out in
the wo was They they don't just avoid us at
all costs. They definitely interact I think for their entertainment
at times. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The question specifically does say communicate though, And that's where
that's what trips me up. You know, you can develop
something of a relationship with them, just like my wife
develops something of a relationship with the whole flock of
squirrels recently, you know. But that's a different thing. But
when it comes to communicate, like, I don't, I just
don't see that. I just any more than like people
living in you know, Simatra might have orangutans in their neighborhood,
you know, or people in Western Africa having chimpanzees around.
You kind of don't want them around, you know. The
I think scrolls are pessed, But can you imagine a
sasquatch that won't go away?
Speaker 4: Awesome?
Speaker 2: It'd be awesome for me, I think it would scare
the hell out of Melissa though. Oh yeah, yeah, and
also you'd probably scare me eventually too.
Speaker 4: It'd be awesome, though you still have to be that scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about that one lady who's lived on the
Hooper reds like feeding them Big Max for a while.
She kind of regret it, didn't she when all, oh,
I thought it was a hooper res my mistake.
Speaker 4: No, it's Quinnell. Yeah. It tore down her lights when
she didn't bring back big Match. They also they could
smell they had brought back that they were kind of
short on mind, so they didn't want to buy Big
Max for the big foot that just came back, and
they could smell the McDonald's and scream and palette on
the house and broke the lights outside, and you know
it just cause problems. Like she said, they got pretty
upset and they didn't bring back big Macs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm worried about the squirrels like digging holes under
my chimney and like, but you know, you don't give
a sasquatch a big Mac is going to tear down
the chimney. Yeah, I just I don't personally see that
happening because I don't think it happens very much.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Sometimes people live in these rural properties and they're aware
of the sasquatches, and certainly the sasquatches are generally aware
of them. I would imagine when they come to some
sort of live and let live sort of attitude. You
see it all the time on reservations, for example, they're
both aware of each other and they both leave each
other alone. I think that that sort of relationship is reasonable.
But as far as communicating with the humans, I'm not
so sure sasquatches would have much to say to us.
That's just me though. That's just my opinion. Who knows
who knows? But so I don't know that that's your
question there. That's your ohl aster answer, at least from
my side. Carter Whew, stay tuned for more Bigfoot and
Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. Will be right back after
these messages. Okay, this is from John Hall and he asks,
now that you have doctor Meldrum's collection, do you plan
on releasing any of that information in a book. You
did a great job at the Florida conference. Keep up
the great work, Cliff, Bobo and Mountain Matt Oh Mom.
Speaker 3: John is the first sasquatch researcher I ever met in
person went out in the field with I'd been doing
it on my own for a couple of years at
that point and dragging friends out along with me. But
I'd reached out to so many people with no responses,
and eventually reached out to Mary Green up in Tennessee
and it said, Hey, you know I'm in Georgia. Do
you happen to know anyone else in the Southeast? And
she was like, oh, I know someone in Georgia. I'll
connect you with him. And that was John. And so
that must have been like twenty one years ago now.
So I've had a lot of adventures with John. I've
known him the longest of anybody I've known involved with sasquatry.
And so he's a good dude and told me he
really enjoyed your presentation there in Florida.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I do plan on releasing some stuff in
book format. A few months ago I kind of started
sitting down to start plucking away at the keyboard and
get things done. And what I quickly found out by
organizing my thoughts, which is still an ongoing challenge, I guess,
is a good way to say it is that I
sat down to write a book, and it turned out
that one or two days into this, it seemed that
I was writing several books because a lot of the
stuff that I'm putting together doesn't seem like it belongs
with the other stuff. I'm not there yet. I will,
I intend if I live long enough, I intend to
write books. Okay, that's one hundred percent yes. But at
this point, I started writing about that handprint on the
roof back in twenty seventeen at our friend Mike's property.
So I thought, well, that's an interesting thing, and that
that you know, that's that's a cool find or whatever,
and a lot of people don't know about that and stuff.
So and I've got cool pictures and I think, you know,
it's real, and so I started, you know, plucking with
that and stuff. And then I started writing this other thing,
and I realized pretty quickly that I'm writing about various topics.
So I've started realizing I think I'm going to have
to write several books, and that that's where I've kind
of settled at this point. I think this could change.
As literally talking to Daniel Perez yesterday and he says,
you're going to write a book, aren't you? And I said, well, yeah,
I'm workingize you need to get this out so I know, man,
I know, I know. Trust me, yeah right now, And
this may change. You can't hold me to it, is
what I'm trying to say. And if you asked me
about it, I may have changed my mind by the
time he asked me. I'm like that. I'm a little fickle.
But I think I'm going to write a book about
interesting cases and what I learned from them, you know,
like the handprint on the roof stuff, for example. I think,
so interesting cases I've been involved in and what I've
learned from them, I think that's interesting. I think I'm
going to write a book maybe on what I think
is going on with sasquatches, or that might actually be
the same book, because what I think I've learned about
sasquatches generally came about through people I've spoken to, but
mostly stuff that I've seen with my own eyes. Because
I think everybody, all the listeners of the podcast here
know that I put more emphasis on my own personal
observations and interpretations of those things than I do in
other people's interpretations, don't I don't give my power away
to other people to tell me what to think. I
just not, like, I'm not that kind of guy. I'm
kind of stubborn and independent and stuff like that. But
then I've got, you know, a ton of stuff on
the Blues, and I hear I see online these people
like I don't post on Facebook or anything like that,
and I try to steer clear. But when I do
have to go on there, I see people who don't
know anything, just spreading rumors and lies about the Blue Mountains.
It's like like, I know these things are saying are
not true, but yet they're out there. And you know,
the more this misinformation gets spread about, the worse it is.
You know, like I've seen it in print where people
are citing other authors like Daigling and those guys, you know,
citing other authors and what they said about the Blues
as if it's gospel. But it turns out that they're
wrong about stuff. Like, for example, there's this rumor out
there that Paul Freeman worked at an orthopedic shoe factory.
And I literally last night this is super interesting too.
I was sitting in the Meldring room last night and
I ran across a letter from Renee to Hinden, to
vance Orchard, I believe, And Renee said, I heard a
rumor that he worked in an orthopedic shoe factory, and
that would explain how these dramatic glyphics got in there.
And the woman who told me was told by somebody else,
and it was like this ethereal line of evidence that
like it was just a rumor that somebody kind of
made up to explain away this dramaticlyphics thing, you know,
And I think that might have been the source of it.
So and I asked Michael Freeman, Michael, you know your dad.
You knew your dad. He's dead, of course, but like
you knew your dad pretty well. Did he ever work
at an orthopedic shoe factory? And he goes, not that
I know of. No, he was a butcher. He was
a nighttime butcher in Walla, Walla. And when he lives
in Camus he owned a delicatessen. Yeah, so that isn't
the description of a guy who's familiar with the anatomy
of feet and skin texture, you know, to me at least,
you know so that people are overestimating Paul unfortunately. Night
he's a smart guy, but you know, not super literate,
almost never read, almost never wrote. So anyway, I digress,
But I'm writing a book about the Blues essentially to
set the record straight, you know, because I have with
doctor Meltrim's files came numerous, like forty recordings of vance
Orchard interviewing people for his books. And so I mean,
we have vance Orchard's books, which are fantastic, by the way,
pick him up, Thank goodness, fans Orchard was there documenting
what was going on in the Blue Mountains at that time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bigfoot of the Blues is my top ten fifteen
for sure.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Bigfoot of the Blues and Walla Walla Bigfoot,
both of those. Yeah, Like, if you're interested in the
Blue Mountain stuff, you gotta read that stuff. It's and
it's very folksy and everything. It's great and it's great.
But I want to do a more perhaps a little
more left brain version of that and just go case
by case by case. Like another one of these huge
misconceptions about the Blue Mountains, and it's thrown around on
these Facebook pages all the time like it was fact,
and everybody pats each other on the back. Oh, you're
so smart, because you're debunked Freeman again, but you're lying
about the fact it's so ridiculous is that the whole
Blue Mountain stuff started on June tenth, nineteen eighty two,
when Paul Freeman saw that sasquatch and ended when Paul
Freeman left the Blue Mountains. One of the biggest lies
ever told about it. Absolute ridiculous. And of course Peter
Burns book doesn't help that at all. He says that
I just read it a couple months ago again, and
I was astonished at the bad information that guy had
and was putting out in a book. It was very
disheartening about how the Blue Mountains are what he refers
to as a dead zone where there should be sasquatches there,
but there are absolutely no bigfoots there whatsoever. It's like, oh,
what a ridiculous, dumb thing to say, honestly, And because
there are sighting reports that Van s Orchard documented in
the late eighteen hundreds of sasquatches. There's another one in
I think I think the forties if I remember right.
I mean, of course I'm a little squishy on that one,
not that it happened, but the nineteen forties state it
might have been the fifties. I remember in the late
nineteen sixties footprints were found on Mill Creek Road, which
is the same place that a lot of stuff still
happens today. Roger Patterson himself came out to investigate. In fact,
and in the nineteen seventies there was more stuff. It's
like everywhere else. The Bigfoots were there before, and the
bigfoots were there after. Paul left as well. I mean
the last two years. I was out there. Last year
and the year before I cast footprints on both of
my trips. So again, yeah, I'm putting this stuff into books.
I'm writing a book on the Blues. I'm working on it,
but I'm writing a book on what I think is
up with sasquatches, like behaviors and stuff like that, which
may or may not be the same book as interesting
cases that I've personally investigated and what I think I've
learned from them. But honestly, don't you don't need to
ask me when is your book coming out this year?
It's not. I'll be lucky to get out and get
any of these out in twenty twenty seven, because I'm
still organizing. I'm still I mean, Bobo, you saw the room,
man like, it's a monumental task to get things in
order out.
Speaker 4: There and jam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm literally still organizing not only the files
and whatnot, but at the same time, I'm trying to
figure out what does the workflow look like for any
of these projects. And I think last night, when I
ran across that de Hinden letter, and there are a
couple of other things in this particular folder as well,
I think what my workflow has got to be is
I just got to have to take my computer out
there and sit down and rummage through stuff, and when
I find something, write a couple of paragraphs about it,
and then take a picture of the document, feed it
into a special folder on my computer, and so I
can work on it wherever I am, whether I'm in
the house or on the road at a gig or whatever.
You know, I'm trying to figure out a way to
do this because there's so much stuff out there. And
when I rummaged through papers, just like you and I did, Bobo,
I run across these these nuggets of information that would
be fantastic for a book. But you know, I got
to remember to take that nugget up to the house
and write some paragraphs about it. It's not as easy
as I mean, Matt. You know, Matt, you wrote a
book already, but it's just not as easy as people
think it might be. Yeah, one of the things I'm
going to do in one of these books is write
a chapter, or if I can get enough stuff, maybe
a whole book on cold cases. You know, cause I
think I did some pretty okay work on the Bossberg stuff,
uncovered some new things that nobody knew about, and just
recently I made another discovery in the realm of Bluff Creek.
I think I showed both of you guys that, and
actually I shared it with Daniel, So if you do describe,
if you do subscribe to his newsletter, you'll hear about
this thing next month. But yeah, a new discovery in
Bluff Creek and from the early days, the nineteen fifty
eight to nineteen sixty five days, we'll just call it
the nineteen fifty eight to sixties you know that whole realm,
new discovery has been made that nobody's ever written about before.
So I let Daniel publish it because you know, he
likes that stuff and whatever. He's always been a good
friend of mine. But yeah, I'll flesh it out, as
well as a bunch of other discoveries that I've made
now of the early nineteen sixties stuff. I think all
that stuff's going to go into a chapter in one
of these books, you know. So I don't know, I've
got a lot to write about. I just wish I
had more time to write.
Speaker 4: So very good.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.
Will be right back after these messages. All right, let's
queue up the first voicemail here.
Speaker 5: Hey, Bobo, Cliff and Matt Own from upstate New York.
And I've been a huge fan for about three four
years since I started watching the show with my grandma.
And I was really listening to the Fred Roll episodes,
you know, the guy who has Subarctic Alaska sasquatch, And
I was thinking about other reports that I've heard, and
I was thinking Alaskan sasquatches tend to be a lot taller, leaner,
and aggressive than the ones that we have down here
in the forty eight based off of reports. Now, I
was wondering if these could be like a distinct subspecies
of some kind or something like that, and if so,
what do you think the geographic or like environmental divide
could be that makes these a distinct subspecies. I'd love
to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, guys.
Speaker 5: One more question, who does the intro theme? It's such
a funny theme. Me and my mom quota all the time.
Speaker 2: I'd love to hear that too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks for that one.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys enjoy it. That's all me. All
the intros that have done the little jingles, I'll get
an idea and I do them pretty quick and slop
so as rock and roll should be done. So yeah,
I came up with that theme and then played out
like the drums, guitars, bass, saying it all in about
like twenty minutes. So it's a lot of fun. It's
a little bit of a spin on, at least chord wise,
the motif. I was aiming for a little bit of
a Queen's we heard the champions, So glad to hear that.
Speaker 4: You guys enjoy it. Yeah, I definitely think there could
be subspeed. I think there's definitely subspecies. I mean neither
the killer well now I know there's like six subspecies
of them around before everyone just looking at it orca
you know, and I think I think it's similar, gonna
be similar with the squatch. I think there's gonna be
little variations, like you know, different when you get in
different geographic regions.
Speaker 2: Are enough of part Yeah, I don't think there's a subspecies. Yeah,
but not enough data to say that yet. And I
think that behavioral differences does not make a these species
or subspecies in anyway. If and I even wonder if
there's a strong tendency for the Alaskan ones to be
leaner like you said, I would think they're actually more
robust and larger, taller, and thicker because of Bergman's rule.
I would also wonder if it's if it's a matter
of human interpretation that these things are more aggressive, just
like in Australia, all the literature says, oh, they're cannibals,
are going to kill us and blah blah blah. But
these are Australian folks are in the woods, oftentimes with
pittiloafers on. So I'm not there like where we were.
At least it was a beach culture, not a mountain culture.
And I think that's a human interpretation. So I question
those things. I sincerely question those assumptions.
Speaker 4: Could be a big height for walking through snowdrows half
the year or three quarters of the.
Speaker 2: Year could be I guess it could be. But at
the same time that being so cold, you would think
they would be more spherically shaped to retain heat, you know,
and that the larger massive surface ratio thing, the Bergman's rule,
So I would I don't, I would question those assumptions
at this point.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and I know we've talked about it before,
but we should definitely, you know, if you're interested in
those questions. I went out, I would definitely read Robert
Alley's Raincoast Sasquatch. And there's a couple of other Alaska
oriented books that he's written subsequently, but that one's definitely
like the source material, and it's I guess you could
say it's mostly coastal oriented, so it's not as much
interior elastic east, but man, it's it's still a great book,
and you'll I think he's balanced enough that you'll see
the similarities between the reports in those regions and the
reports around the rest of the continent.
Speaker 4: Well, most of most of Roberts and Raincoast Subsquatches is
a very southeast which is like semi temperate rainforest, whereas
subargic Alaska is a whole nother trip.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I could see that there would be some regional,
you know, clinal differences, but it's so hard to say
in terms of the subspecies question, because I think at
one point the subspecies of American black bear had gotten
up to like sixteen subspecies, and then genetics came along
and realized, like, no, most of those are spurious, they
don't really qualify as subspecies. So I think there was
a bit of a drive amongst researchers to sort of
identify slight differences and then be able to you know,
name a new subspecies after themselves, or be able to
claim some discovery. But so maybe there is, but I
tend to be a lumper and not a splitter, so
you know, there might be regional variations, but I sort
of doubt that there would be marked subspecies. But what
about Fleet Darby. I think globally certainly there would be.
There would have to be enough cut off of you know,
gene flow between Asia and North America. For example, although
I mean some species remain unchanged. I think the wolverine
is still gulo gulu in Asia as it is in
North America, even though obviously they're not exchanging genetics for
that very very very long time, you know, many tens
of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years. But i'd
have to see if that's still true of other animals
that are both here and in Asia. You know, brown
bears would be a great example.
Speaker 2: Really, Gulo gulo.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's the species and genus.
Speaker 2: It means glutton, glutton. It reminds me of about goony google.
Remember what is it Eddie Murphy delirious? Is that what
it was when he wrote that, like red leather suit
or whatever? And it was really popular back in the day.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: He had a bit about bigfoot in there, and I
think he said that the goony googu or something like that,
didn't he I don't remember. That could be wrong, I
offer him, but that's what that's what my frail memory
is telling me. It's been a long time anyway. Should
we go to the next question?
Speaker 3: Yeah, here is your next written submission, Bobo.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, Georgido, great show as always. Why was Robert W.
Morgan not as well known as the Four Horsemen Sasquatchy.
Shouldn't he be a horseman too? Good question, Well.
Speaker 3: He's definitely like a next gin. He would have come
up mostly in the seventies, so, you know, well after
the established four horsemen, although I guess Grants was like
a last shoe in at the tail end of the
sixties there. But Morgan, I think had some exposure and
some notoriety, and he was definitely good at spreading the
word and getting you know, he had a few fishually
sponsored projects, and there were films made about those. But
and I enjoyed Robert Morgan's stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, I met him.
Speaker 3: Some of the first interviews I ever did, almost twenty
years ago, were on his old blog talk radio show.
But I don't think he made contributions nearly as significant
as at least Green and Krantz did.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course he had the American YETI expedition up here,
and he cast a couple of prints through the day
over the over the years, if I remember right, like,
I have one of them. Actually it was cast on
this guy's property, and I know his brother, and you know,
so I ended up getting the original cast over there
at Bunkcombe Hollow, Bunkcombe Hollow is the name of the
place over by a like Merwin, I think it is,
or maybe swift Breservoir, But I think it was like
Merwin if I remember right. But yeah, it just I
think that a lot of his stuff. I spoke to
the guy who's kind of in control of his records
and stuff, and the guy wasn't even aware that he
was a bigfooter. He did so many other things. He's
somehow tied up in like some sort of like CIA
or FBI thing, And yet was he a treasure hun
or two? He might have been. I know he had
one of those like sort of like kind of like
a life like Peter Burn, where he had so many
things going and it seems so ridiculous and awesome and
everything just like that's what was going. He was everywhere,
you know, but I think he was maybe he was
just too diffuse in his efforts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was such a character. I remember people describing
him to me as like a big personality. And then
you know, and I saw some of those documentaries and
you know, read some of his books. I was like, oh, yeah,
he's definitely this big personality. And I remember one of
I was on his podcast twice in podcasts, you know,
his blog talk radio, but essentially early podcast And I
remember one of the times it might have been the
first time i'd met a friend of his who was like, oh,
you should ask this young guy to come on and
talk about his experiences and his research in North Georgia.
And I wouldn't have had a whole lot of value
to say anyway, So I'm certainly not lamenting it, but
I remember being so excited and then that came on
and SA and he had said, let me ask you something.
Have you ever seen tracks that did I can't even
remember what the that up was, you know, have you
ever seen tracks that exhibited X, Y and Z because
one time and then he told his story for an
hour and then at the end was like, well, that's
all the time we have for tonight. See I don't
think I said a word the entire time as the guest,
and so it did. It didn't offend me or anything
like that, but I was like, oh, yeah, he's definitely
like this a big ball of sort of charisma, you
know what I mean, just sort of a very much
a cult of personality sort of a guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's a good that's a good description cult
the personal I say, he came to the last I
went to the Ohio Bigfoot Conference like six years ago
or whatever. He was there. We'll take a picture with
him and on the stage and he got a special
recognition award from Mark for Ohio big Footing. And he
kept saying to me, like, what are you doing up
here on this stage? I said, well, I spoke like
just a minute ago, and he goes, who are you?
What are you doing here? I just was laughing one
that is those are fair questions, but yeah, it was
actually seeking So I guess that's why I'm up here.
Speaker 2: Was that the twenty twenty one conference.
Speaker 3: No, I was at one Ohio conference that he was at,
and so I got to meet him in person and
speak with him. And then he gave a talk about
a lot of the things that he had done insult
Fork decades ago, and track finds that he had made
their I think maybe in the eighties or it could
have been in the nineties, but it was it was
several decades prior. So it was really interesting to meet
him and see him. And you know, I enjoy parts
of his what's the Small Yellow Book called? I think
it's like the Bigfoot Field Observer's Manual or something like that.
I think there's some useful stuff in there. But yeah,
he's definitely a character.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I definitely enjoyed the guy, But I don't think, and
just in all fairness, I don't think that he necessarily
made the sort of contributions that would land him in
that sort of luminary category that we think of the
other four horsemen as and to me is specifically John
Green and Grover Krantz.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's always been a problem for me putting Crash
in with the four Horses, because basically he started basically
the seventies. He's like late or nineteen sixty hours his
first Tommy dipped his toe into the squatch pool and
then so he's really got from the seventies and eighties nineties.
I think the four horse were the guys that started
in the fifties.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which I guess would technically be I mean, the
first real field researchers, I guess you would have to
say would be that Pacific Northwest Expedition, and so it
would be Green, Detendon, Ivan Marx, Bob Titmas and Peter burn, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because they work together though, But you know, elsewhere, Cliff Olsen,
the late great Cliff Olsen, he saw a sasquatch in
the late fifties and started looking into it then and
he never stopped until he died.
Speaker 3: Did he ever publish anything? I know that name, but
I can't remember if I've read any of his works
or anything like that.
Speaker 2: Now. He never wrote his own thing, but he and
Joe Blart pulled their efforts together and Joe produced that
The Big but Highway Book, which is excellent, of course,
very folks seeing down to earth and a lot of
fun to read and stuff. But so that's a lot
of Cliff Olsen's work with Joe b. Lart, because those
guys teamed up, and I kind of viewed Cliff and
Joe as being like the second generation of Bigfooters in
a way, you know, yeah, because even though the you
know the well, Cliff is dead when Joe's pretty old
at this point. But in fact I got a call
from Joe for to day.
Speaker 4: Actually so nice guy.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I think that there's kind of the second
gen of Bigfoots. But Cliff was there at the very
beginning of it all. I don't know, But again I
never asked him about that before he passed. He was
a friend of mine. We'd go at the breakfast and
see each other. And he came to the museum right
when it opened because he died shortly thereafter. But just
one of those guys, like in one of those unsung heroes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say when it comes to those
luminaries or the people that we think of as the
four horsemen. And again I would not apply this as
heavily to to Hinden or Burn, but I think that
there are things that people contributed that are the basis
of so much other work that other work is dependent
on it. And of course that at work is being
rechecked and reverified, so to speak, or at least tested
to see if it remains consistent or certain ideas or
concepts or hypotheses or patterns, et cetera. But I think
much of what Green did is kind of, at least
within the canon of Sasquatchrey, very axiomatic. And I think
a lot of Krantz's work is also fairly axiomatic to
Sasquatchrey itself. I think those would be the defining criteria.
Whereas Napier obviously is the first real anthropologist to get
involved and published on it in a way, but he
didn't really contribute anything that was axiomatic, and Morgan certainly
didn't either, I would say, and then there are other
people subsequently. You know, if George, if you're not a member,
I know that name is very familiar. I know we've
answered multiple questions from George edo before. I can't remember
if George as one of the pigeons or not, but
we did a whole pigeon episode about other people that
we think made big contributions that should be included in
this idea of I think I called it Unsung Heroes
and Various horse Folk. It was the name of the episode,
and so that was definitely worth revisiting, and in fact,
maybe I'll throw that as a bonus in this feed
at some point for people who are not members, if
you want to hear members only episodes from the past
where we cover a lot of these people. Because that
was a really fun conversation, I think that'd be worth
tossing out here to people. But to me, that would
be the big criteria. It's like, are there things that
we operate on now that are sort of foundational that
if you kick the legs out from under it, we'd
have to go back to the drawing board on a
lot of things. And I would say yes to John
Green doing that, and yes to Krantz doing that, and
not so much Robert W. Morgan, although he was very
active and influential, but not necessarily like I said, axiomatic.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm going to get a definition for acxiomatic, a
foundational approach in mathematics and logic where a concept system
of theory is defined by a set of basic self
evident truths called axioms, rather than describing the concept and
simpler the terms gat to look that up when you
were talking about it. Very good.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: This I thought was an interesting hypothetical question here and
there it is for you, Cliff.
Speaker 2: Okay, and it comes from Brian Levigne. I asked Gemini
what percentage of North Americans believe in Sasquatch. Its answer
was between eleven percent and twenty eight percent, approximately eighty
million people. That's a lot of bumper stickers. Many of
us know the sasquatches exist. But how many quote unquote
true believers do you guys think are out there?
Speaker 4: Nors are believers?
Speaker 2: He wrote true believers in quotation marks. So that's and
again that's where I always get tripped up. It's like,
but he said this, but he said this, you know,
so I think a lot more people believe than no,
that's for sure. I think a lot more people believe
than have evidence or even aware of the evidence. I
think it's like, like last week I went to go
see that comedian Rodney Norman. You know, he came to
the musing him and he's super funny. To check him out.
He he's hilarious, and he says, I believe because that's
because I want to believe, you know, I want to believe.
He said, I want to believe in everything. Well that's
not a real strong place to come from, but literally,
in my life that would be a shot down pretty quick.
But you are a Santa comedian, so have Adam, and
that's awesome.
Speaker 4: But true believers, the eleven percent sounds about right, and
then twenty eight percent for like those are like probably
like could be like leaning more towards that than not,
you know, probably something like that.
Speaker 2: I bet it's geographical though, because I think in the
Pacific Northwest, I bet you I wouldn't be surprised as
something close to forty percent of the people up here
probably think there might be something to it. I heard.
Speaker 4: I've heard that set actually for the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2: Well, but Seattle did a thing a few years ago,
and I forget what the number was. Who was something
like twenty one percent or something, wasn't it. Do you
remember that? Am I wrong?
Speaker 4: I can't remember the numbers now that I remember seeing
that stuff.
Speaker 2: I think the people outside of town either more inclined
to believe, or when they don't believe, they're more adamant
about it, because I would have seen it by now.
One of those things, you know.
Speaker 3: I think it's so hard to tell. And I don't
know where these numbers ever get generated, because I always
think when I see things about poles that there's a
selection bias in place, because you're only getting information from
the kind of people who take poles. And you know,
I don't know many people who are like, oh yeah,
I'll take that poll, or I'll spend time filling out
this survey. You know, that's a special kind of person.
I've had this conversation with people where they'll say, well,
just look at the number of festivals. Like a good
example would be Hawking Hills, right, because it's a street fair,
street festival, and so they had what thirty thousand, forty
thousand people roll through, And so people use that as
a proxy. And I'll say, look, not everyone who's going
to the festival is a believer in the proposition. You know,
they don't accept the proposition that the Sasquatch exists. It's
a local event. There's food trucks and vendors, and it's
something fun to do and bring the family to. And
so you can't look at the attendees of large public
festivals and treat that like it's some sort of a
barometer of the nation or the continent's belief in the
existence of you know, a corporeal species of sas squander
who goes.
Speaker 4: To paid conferences. That's the window of that down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's there's those sorts of things or even
you know, I think a lot of the people that
listen to podcasts don't even I mean, there's there's plenty
of things that I listen to because they're interesting or
entertaining that I have no dog in the fight in
and you know, I feel that way about a lot
of UFO stuff that I listen to. I'm like, oh,
this is just interesting and it kind of turns my
brain off and just entertains me for an hour while
I'm driving or something. And so you could go, oh, well,
this UFO podcast has many millions of listeners. It's like, well,
that doesn't mean that every listener believes that every word
of that is absolutely true or whatever the case may be.
So I don't know how anyone would really arrive at that.
I find that most people that I talk to are like, oh,
it's interesting, and you know, maybe there is something and
but I don't know that that would qualify as what
Brian defining his quote true believers. You know, I still
think the people who absolutely accept the proposition, whether they've
seen one or not, you know, let's just say people
who believe rather than no. It's probably not as high
as that eleven to twenty eight percent, But I mean,
maybe I could be wrong, but I do think that's
a number that's like unknowable.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, and.
Speaker 2: People want to believe, that's for sure. And look at
some of the nonsense. It gets thrown out on everybody.
Speaker 4: Well, there's a lot of people that have seen him
and refuse to believe in that they see him because
they're scared. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just see all the garbage put out by the
media and stuff, and then it's like, oh, I believe
it was on the news. I believe it.
Speaker 4: It's like, well, come on, man, to talk about snake.
Speaker 2: It might be I got like three people this week
have emailed me to ask me if that's real.
Speaker 4: Dude, Pauli's arguing with you that it's real, that he's legit.
I'm like, what do you talk I've got a bunch
of comments like, dude, if you check this guy out,
this looks like real deal. I'm just like, oh, just
shake my.
Speaker 2: Head by Pizza Polly. Yeah, oh my gosh. Yeah, that's
It's just so disappointing that people that even slightly entertained
that that might be real, because it's the same it's
the same dummied like model thing as uh Rick dyre
used and Henk Yeah, Hank exactly. This put they slapped
some eyebrows on it and changed the makeup a bit.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: So disappointing that, but again, that just shows you people
are ready to believe anything, you know, in this weird
post truth world that we've inherited, people believe anything, and
if you tell them, like, well, that's kind of not
real at all. And he's the reasons that they won't
even believe that. It's like, it's like you being dead, Bobo.
People won't believe that you're not dead. They want to
believe you're dead.
Speaker 3: We got to give a shout out to our good
friend Wes over at Sasquatch Chronicles. Just earlier today, listeners,
Wes texted us a screenshot of a text exchange he
had with someone, and he cut out the name, so
I don't know who this was, so we're, well, we're
going to assume that it's what Wes is good buddies,
but he's it's a screenshot where somebody asked, what about
this dude Snake who has a bigfoot body, to which
Wes responded, are you asking me if some guy named
Snake the bigfoot hunter has a real bigfoot body? Funny,
and he said, I know you guys would appreciate this,
and we had a good laugh about it. Yeah, Yeah,
any more questions, bro, yep, we'll do a couple more
here before we roll over to the pigeon side.
Speaker 4: So this is a good one for you, Bobo, Okay,
Carl Wiland, I came across Bo's Bigfoot Encounters on of
the fourth time on TV and was disappointed to see
that there were only three episodes. They were amazing. Are
there are their plans for future episodes? Boa did a
great job getting the eyewitnesses to detail their encounters. Thank you.
Now would find on doing any more of those? No,
not for not anytime the next several months, that's for sure,
if they needed to be next year. But thanks, I
mean that's the first thing compliments I got.
Speaker 3: Oh, people love it, like I've been posting that link
every time we mention it, and once again I'll put
a link to that in the show notes so that
it'll take you right to the two B listing so
you can watch it, you know, on your mobile device
or on your lab stop if you have the two
B app on your TV. Yeah, I put a link
to Sarah's episode specifically in that last episode with that
we did with Sarah's catching up about her return trip
to the Marble Mountains. But yeah, it's been nothing but
positive feedback everywhere that I've seen.
Speaker 4: Oh really, God, So I was bout on like the
music and like the announcer's voice, and so that was
all my fault. I didn't get it done like I
wanted to get it downstairs the production company how to
like just throw that part together At the end.
Speaker 3: I think they turn out well. It seems like people
really enjoy it, so I will put a link there again,
So go go check them out, folks, and maybe Bobo
can get some more of than episodes there in the
can for you. And then let's do one last voicemail.
Here we get questions along these lines, but it's been
a while since we've gotten one of these, and so
here's your last voicemail.
Speaker 6: Hi, guys, this is Simon from the UK and I
just wanted to ask you a question. I've been interested
in the big Foot subject for over thirty years now
and it's sort of on my book at list to
attend a big Foot conference or a show in the
US at some point in the future, but possibly even
go on an expedition if there was one available, and
I wondered which of those you would recommend. I know
that you guys have traveled to and attended quite a
lot of them.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 6: You still live in Canada over twenty years ago on
Vancouver Island, and at that time I found Bigfoot conferences
and forums and stuff that weren't as common, so I
never got the opportunity to do any socializing with fellow
bigfoot US or go on an expedition. So it's something
you know that I've always wanted to do, so I'd
like to hear your opinion. I also read Matt's book
last year, The Phenomenals Ask Question, and thought it was excellent.
Speaker 4: Thanks guy. I haven't been on a conference for a
long time, so I would I wouldn't know what the
latest ones are, but they're all good in their own right.
I mean, if you want to go like a mixed
one like cryptid coonf you're interested in like all kinds
of difference, that one's that's that's great, that's a really
good one. And then there's the one up in the
one what's that one clip up on the top of
main up at saw Saint Marie up in the border
of Canada. But it's really hard to get there. But
that's that's if you're into that multiple disciplines, like you know,
UFO's ghosts and dog Man and fire breathing worms and
all that kind of stuff. But for just straight bigfoot,
what would you say, like a Ohio is great smoking
because you probably want to go on the East Coast.
I'd imagine the Great Florida Bigfoot Conference is usually pretty good.
But I like that Smoking Mountain Conference a lot.
Speaker 2: I think that nowadays what we need to we need
to look for is who's speaking, what do you want
to get from it? You know, like Crypton con to
the one that Bobo mentioned right away that was coming
up in November. I know I'm going to be there.
A bunch of weather folks are going there. That's a
good mix because the organizers recognize that the television personalities
bring people in, right, So they're going to have a
number of people representing various television shows and stuff, and
they're also going to have a lot of people that
most people don't really know about, like who just do
solid Bigfoot research and that's it, and they're not really
on the shows so much because they're in the woods
doing what they love to do. And so Cryptocon I
find strikes a really good balance between the entertainment side
and the actual real research side, which I think is
great because real research isn't done on television, is the
bottom line? Then take it for me. I worked on
TV for nine years, right, so it's just not done there.
Like the new breaking stuff isn't going to be released
on that kind of stuff. They may feature it on
a segment or something, but that's it. So I would
recommend looking at just shop around for where you want
to be and then look at the people speaking. That's
the best way to do it. There's not a conference
that is necessarily year in year out, absolutely hands down
the best. That just doesn't really happen. And as far
as expeditions go, again, it comes down to where do
you want to go. Do you want to see the
Pacific Northwest? Sounds like you've already been here. Maybe you
want to go somewhere easier to grab like Massa Massages budget.
Speaker 4: Doing his final one coming up. That's that's going to
be a great one. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The BFRO runs really good expeditions for the most part.
Of course, they vary, you know, I'm not going to
lie to you, Like Matt has a lot of people
working for him, you know, and the organizers run the expeditions,
so and some organizers are just frankly better at it
than others are. Some cook, some don't, Some are out
in the woods all the time, some just do chase
for citing reports. They all have something to offer, but
they're all going to differ in flavor. So you really
want to look at who the organizer is and most importantly,
what habitat, what terrain like, what area the geographical area
of the country do you want to visit and check
out in a big through a bigfoot lens. I think
those are the most important things to weigh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and since you mentioned Crypticon, that is a good one.
Simon brought up the social aspect, like getting to sit
down and speak with other researchers, you know, one on one,
are face to face rather than just sitting in a
crowd and listening to lectures. I think cryptocon is great
for that. This year, it's going to be at a
different venue too that I think will be a lot
more accommodating, conducive, etcetera. So they're doing it at Bell
Terra Casino in Florence, Indiana this year, and Cliff will
be there, as he mentioned, I'll be there. A great researcher,
Tom Shay will be there. And then in terms of
you know, researchers that you might have seen on screen, obviously,
Maria Russ and Bryce from Expedition Bigfoot will be there.
There's going to be a number of people our friends
and from the Mountain Monsters, you know, wild Bill and
Buck and Huckleberry will be there. So that's going to
be a really good event.
Speaker 2: And that's coming up.
Speaker 3: I'll put a link in the show notes, but that's
going to be November twenty first and twenty second of
this year, So I don't know if that's too quick
a turnaround time for you there, Simon, but that would
be a good one. And I guess while we're talking
about events too, I got word that the cabins for
the Alaska Bigfoot crews are almost all gone. There's only
a few left. So I'll have that link in the
show notes too if anyone's interested and coming on that.
I'm super excited about that. But yeah, I definitely think
something like Crypto Con or the Ohio Bigfoot Conference is
another good opportunity to not only see a lot of speakers,
but to get you FaceTime and interact and ask questions
because everyone's just under the same roof for a whole weekend,
and so the social and interactive portion of it is
just excellent.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, with that, are we done? Go to the member
section and.
Speaker 5: Do some ring?
Speaker 4: I think so. Yeah. All right, folks, Well that was
another episode. Thanks for joining us. Hit like, hit share.
We appreciate it. We could use the good words. So
until next week, you'all keep it squatchy.
Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Bigfoot and Beyond.
If you liked what you heard, please rate and review
us on iTunes, subscribe to Bigfoot and Beyond wherever you
get your podcasts, and follow us on Facebook and Instagram
at Bigfoot and Beyond podcast. You can find us on
Twitter at Bigfoot and Beyond that's an N in the middle,
and tweet us your thoughts and questions with the hashtag
Bigfoot and Beyond