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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we are alive. Hi. This is William Ramsey. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to William Ramsey investigates on today's show with a very

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<v Speaker 1>special guest or attorney guest. He was one of my

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<v Speaker 1>earlier guests when I first kind of started doing interviews

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<v Speaker 1>for my YouTube channels, which I recently got back. They

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<v Speaker 1>magically appeared a couple of months ago. His name is

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Zimhart. His last name is spelled sz im Hart,

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<v Speaker 1>and he came to my attention. I came across this

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<v Speaker 1>book on Amazon that I thought was interesting because of

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<v Speaker 1>his background. The full title of that book is Santa Fe,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Tit and Me How an artist became a cult interventionist.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've always been kind of focused on cults and

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<v Speaker 1>coursive cults and kind of mind control maybe where it overlaps.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was a great fit and we did that

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<v Speaker 1>show and I actually restreamed it recently, so people can

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<v Speaker 1>check that out on YouTube or Rumble or acts now

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<v Speaker 1>or a Twitter, which is really becoming a great place

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<v Speaker 1>to stream to, at least for me. But that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the only shows we've done. We also did one on

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<v Speaker 1>psychiatrist Lewis Jolly and West Joe knew him personally. He

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<v Speaker 1>has a much different take on West than kind of

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<v Speaker 1>people in my kind of maybe alternate media environment, like

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<v Speaker 1>a much different take which I suggest people look at.

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<v Speaker 1>People got really angry at me for posting that, but

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<v Speaker 1>you have to give people their people are multifaceted. And

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<v Speaker 1>also we also talked about a course in miracles Is

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<v Speaker 1>It a Miracle? That was in twenty twenty three, So

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<v Speaker 1>this will be a fourth show. And Joe came to

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<v Speaker 1>my attention. I've kind of following him on YouTube. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>I'll come across or is YouTube channel will be pushed

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<v Speaker 1>to me on YouTube and I'll see his research. He's

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<v Speaker 1>interested in same things I am. I think the title

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<v Speaker 1>or subtitle of his YouTube channel was tracing the occult

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<v Speaker 1>in the A culture. So it's like that word for

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<v Speaker 1>me is like, you know, turns a light on in

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<v Speaker 1>my mind. So I followed some of the stuff. And

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<v Speaker 1>when he did a recent video on teal and his

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<v Speaker 1>anti Christ lectures, which were kind of bandied about, people

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it, but they weren't to my understanding, they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't published. I know that he went to the Commonwealth

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<v Speaker 1>Club and gave the little lecture on the Antichrist. And

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<v Speaker 1>for people who don't know what the Commonwealth Club in

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<v Speaker 1>California is, it's probably one of the elite premier clubs.

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<v Speaker 1>You're very exclusive, super swanky, very nice in downtown LA.

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<v Speaker 1>I think there may be other chapters, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>he was talking to a pretty rarefied audience. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad to have Joe back to talk more about the Antichrist.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out his video too. I'll put a link to

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<v Speaker 1>his YouTube channel, but he's going to talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>in his background. So Joe sim Hert, welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thanks for having me again, William, It's good to

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<v Speaker 2>be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got an interesting topic. It seems to be buzzing

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<v Speaker 2>about the media and podcast airways.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, for sure. For people who hadn't heard our

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<v Speaker 1>other shows, Joe May or other three shows, or may

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<v Speaker 1>not be aware of you, your background, your experiences, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you can talk about that and then just lead into

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<v Speaker 1>what you think about Teal and his anti Christ lectures.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I mean, you know, anyone can read my book

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<v Speaker 2>which is answering that question, and or look at my

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<v Speaker 2>website which will put a link to. But basically I've

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<v Speaker 2>been around this cult territory or cultiverse since the seventies,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was involved in metaphysical pursuits and like ideas

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<v Speaker 2>following teachings of Theosophy, the Theosophical Society, the Agony Yogu Society,

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<v Speaker 2>the i AM Activity, and then I got involved with

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<v Speaker 2>a group that combined all that called the Church Universal

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<v Speaker 2>on Triumphant, currently known as the Summit Lighthouse, which was

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<v Speaker 2>its older name. So I was involved for about a

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<v Speaker 2>year a year and a half and not in the

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<v Speaker 2>inner core, but deep enough to make it very difficult

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<v Speaker 2>for me psychologically to break away, and which I did

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty In the fall. After I broke away

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<v Speaker 2>from the group, some of the members that knew me,

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<v Speaker 2>that recruited me, wondered why I quit, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>sat down and talked to them, and within a few

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<v Speaker 2>hours of discussing my reasons, they quit. You know, there

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<v Speaker 2>was a handful of them. And then I had interaction

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<v Speaker 2>with a young woman while I was a portrait artist

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<v Speaker 2>in Santa Fe when I'm back here again, who was

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<v Speaker 2>trying to recruit me into a Bible call, like a

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<v Speaker 2>four square Bible call. She was nineteen years old, and

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<v Speaker 2>she asked me to do a portrait for her fiance. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we got talking over the weeks I was there at

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<v Speaker 2>this mall and lo and behold. After talking to me

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<v Speaker 2>about her group, which was very similar to the esoteric

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<v Speaker 2>New Age group, I left. She quit the group and

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<v Speaker 2>I met with her parents that came to pick her

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<v Speaker 2>up afterwards, and they were just overjoyed that they hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>talked to her in six months because the cult cut

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<v Speaker 2>her off. That was my first experience of in exit counseling,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was Inadverton. You know, I wasn't looking and

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<v Speaker 2>her mother came up to me and said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we were praying for her and we think God sent you. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't sure if I was going to believe that,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a circumstances that just happened. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I got involved in the intervention field professionally around nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty six, and I made my living as a deprogrammer,

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<v Speaker 2>exit counselor for about twelve years, and then I worked

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five years in a psychiatric hospital, which I worked

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<v Speaker 2>there until the last winter, and my wife and I

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<v Speaker 2>moved back here to Santa Fe after being away for

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<v Speaker 2>thirty three years and so I'm starting a LLC, a business,

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<v Speaker 2>a consulting business to help people and educate people about

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<v Speaker 2>this cult problem, occult matters and that kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>which I've been spending forty five years exploring. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>about it. And you know, Peter Teo and others that

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<v Speaker 2>have what I call speculative metaphysics or speculative ideas about

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<v Speaker 2>the Gospel come to my attention. A lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>ask me about that, So I did a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>videos my reaction to Teal.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>We can get into mister Peter Thiel and what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on with his Antichrist motif.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean he's super influential. He's influencing politics and

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<v Speaker 1>culture and the economy, and so he's got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, hands and a lot of different things.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's important if he when he's talking,

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<v Speaker 1>he's telling people stuff. But my understanding of his anti

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<v Speaker 1>christ lecture is that it's not really consistent with Christian theology.

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<v Speaker 1>It uses Christian terminology, but it's not really consistent. Would

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<v Speaker 1>you agree with that, Yeah, I'd agree with it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just the basic concept of what he thinks

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<v Speaker 2>the Antichrist is you know, he projects, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people do fundamentalists do in religion, project these kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cosmic ideas or myths into an agent that there's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be some kind of an agent. The Antichrist

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a person on a throne, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>leading world affairs, or the Antichrist is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>some system, some algorithm running the economy of the world,

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<v Speaker 2>or you know whatever. In my understanding, as I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up Catholic and I was an ultra boy back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, but you know, the idea of Antichrist is

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<v Speaker 2>about behavior, and that's why I call myself a behavioral

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<v Speaker 2>consultant in terms of cults.

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<v Speaker 1>The Gospels teach me that, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, if if you follow the Sermon on the Mount

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<v Speaker 2>and your behavior is according to christ like principles or

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<v Speaker 2>godly principles, then you are pro Christ and you're Antichrist.

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<v Speaker 2>When you don't do that, when your behavior is not

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<v Speaker 2>in line with kindness and goodness and honesty and and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that, it's it's you know, the beliefs are there,

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<v Speaker 2>but beliefs have to result in behavior. So with with thel,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's coming up with a system what's called

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<v Speaker 2>a cult of ideas or or there's different ways to

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<v Speaker 2>form cults. He can form cults around a person, idea movement,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, certain behaviors that you define. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>so he has this idea of the Antichrist, and he

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<v Speaker 2>seems to derive it from uh someone Carl Schmidt to

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<v Speaker 2>some degree, and they also borrow it from I forget

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<v Speaker 2>his name. So, yeah, Gerard's theory, and you know, Gerard

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<v Speaker 2>basically broke away from this. I think he doesn't agree

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<v Speaker 2>with all this, but uh, the idea is that there's

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<v Speaker 2>some kind of a catacoon they call it, or something

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<v Speaker 2>out there which will hold back the coming of the Antichrist.

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<v Speaker 2>And it comes from Thessalonians Paul in the Gospel. And

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<v Speaker 2>this whole speculative version that Peter Deal puts out is

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<v Speaker 2>expanding on that idea that that this Antichrist is is

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<v Speaker 2>somehow coming up. And uh, and so he he uh

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<v Speaker 2>sees the idea of the crucifixion. I think as uh

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<v Speaker 2>that there's this scapegoat idea that comes up. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 2>can speak about that a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I just know that your Gerard did something that all

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<v Speaker 1>societies need escape. Yeah, and Schmidt was like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a Nazi philosopher, is my understanding. So he's using this

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<v Speaker 1>catacoon idea. It's it's pretty suspect like he thinks. But

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<v Speaker 1>my understanding is that he doesn't believe in the literal Antichrist.

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<v Speaker 1>The Antichrist is the things that are keeping people from

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward. Did you get that impression?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I got that as kind of like a system

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<v Speaker 2>that's in place or or you know, he deal is

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<v Speaker 2>not specific. He tends to dance around what he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to say, at least from what.

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<v Speaker 1>I read, And uh so.

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<v Speaker 2>There's this vagueness involved in the way he approaches this.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, one of his critics is this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Wolfgang pal Pelaver I think his name is, and who

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<v Speaker 2>he knows. They know each other and they are somewhat friends,

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<v Speaker 2>but they don't agree on how this whole thing is

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to work. So you know, I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 2>from what I downloaded here, says Pelaver says, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to first understand that he, Peter Deel, is human, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, what I've observed are traces of deep fear,

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<v Speaker 2>he told me, fear of death, fear of terrorism, and

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<v Speaker 2>it all comes down to a lack of trust and

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<v Speaker 2>a craving for security, So he sees Peter deal More

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<v Speaker 2>as an immature philosopher when it comes to the idea

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<v Speaker 2>of Antichrist or whatever. I don't think he takes them seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>This deel takes himself, so, you know, and maybe because

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<v Speaker 2>Theel but basically isolates this idea of of of of

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<v Speaker 2>anti Christ in his own subjective formulation, which is called

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<v Speaker 2>is of Jesus, when when you look at hermeneutics, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not doing egs of Jesus. In other words, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>very applicable in a broad sense to Christianity. It's very

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<v Speaker 2>much subjective and personalized. And because he's extremely wealthy, people

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<v Speaker 2>take him seriously because you can throw money into something

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<v Speaker 2>and make it work socially affect society, you know, much

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<v Speaker 2>as any totalist cult leader might might do in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of their influence. So I don't know if that's his

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<v Speaker 2>intention a you know, I really don't know. I just

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<v Speaker 2>think that he has gotten into territory with this concept

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<v Speaker 2>of of of Antichrist, which is over his head theologically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't. I think that he's he's not really

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<v Speaker 1>addressing it from a Christian perspective. I think in Ephesians

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<v Speaker 1>or something, I mentioned it. But I think that if

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<v Speaker 1>he's part of the Builderberg Society and all of these

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<v Speaker 1>so he's an international So I think that he's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to create a philosophy that benefits himself. I think that's it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he criticized Greater Thunberg too, because somebody who's

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<v Speaker 1>like a backwards person. So I think his ideas of

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<v Speaker 1>Antichrist are more consistent with somebody like it's consistent with

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<v Speaker 1>his ethos of like the the well and the well

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<v Speaker 1>meaning individual who's make change in the world kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's it. So people who resist that are

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<v Speaker 1>of these guys at the Dark and Enlightenment. I just

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<v Speaker 1>make their own, you know, reality, better than these political

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<v Speaker 1>systems can. Did you get that impression, Yeah, I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's it's kind of like the extravagance or

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<v Speaker 1>You know, of power.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody's in power and they feel they're chosen and their

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<v Speaker 2>ideas are God's ideas, and therefore they share these with

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<v Speaker 2>the world. I mean, this happened with just about every

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<v Speaker 2>one that gains a lot of power, and and it's

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<v Speaker 2>difficult to criticize someone like that because he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to listen to anybody. So in fact, a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people listen to him because is you know, his money

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<v Speaker 1>But I think.

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<v Speaker 2>The the concept of Antichrist that that he's putting out

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<v Speaker 2>have the rigor of the Gospel to it. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think he's outside of that realm, and you know, almost

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<v Speaker 2>world divided into black and white and radical dualistic ideas,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what gnosticism is based on, and and that

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<v Speaker 2>somehow the metaphysical is much more important than the physical,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning that.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, he's like I think you mentioned in

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<v Speaker 1>your video, there's no like he's a deconstructionist, like there's

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<v Speaker 1>not as many external truths for him. Would you agree

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. It's it's basically ideology of a sort.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, like you know, when you when you

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<v Speaker 2>something that works in the world, as the world works.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not something which is going to be imposed from

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<v Speaker 2>the cosmos onto the earth, you know, like some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a virus that passes through and uh uh. This

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<v Speaker 2>is just something we deal with. Is if you're a Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>the Antichrist is constantly around. It's that little whispering demon

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<v Speaker 2>in your ear telling you not to help that person

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<v Speaker 2>on the street that just fell over and is vomiting.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, maybe they need to go to a hospital,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and you've got to get the work. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that that to me is Antichrist.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not this uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Mystical uh demonic uh power that is somehow going to

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<v Speaker 2>change the economy, uh and keep wealthy people from getting wealthier.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the Christian system it's both like this

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<v Speaker 1>the spirit of Antichrist and then a personage too, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's like it's doublely kind of confusing from Christian theological perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there is metaphysics and christian is in Christian

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<v Speaker 2>teaching obviously, especially when you get to the Gospel of John,

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<v Speaker 2>it gets pretty out.

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<v Speaker 1>There even revelation too, right, So well, that's even further.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's much more abstract and metaphorical and uh interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, and in the early Church there was

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<v Speaker 2>a big debate of whether to even include Revelation considered

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<v Speaker 2>extra biblical in the sense of the essential teachings that

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<v Speaker 2>they were trying to hand down, but it was included,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're still dealing with it because people keep thinking

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<v Speaker 2>that we're in the end times. Every generation seems to

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<v Speaker 2>come up with some interpretation of revelations and applying it

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<v Speaker 2>to themselves or to the current state of affairs.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very true, like there are end times, has never

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<v Speaker 1>gone away. We're always at the end times. People are

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<v Speaker 1>always looking for the end times. The other thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that you kind of also see Teal as somebody kind

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<v Speaker 1>of in the eyes of it or seem as a

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<v Speaker 1>kind of cult leader where he's creating a self sealing

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<v Speaker 1>social system. Can you explain that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, I've used that term self sealing social system

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<v Speaker 2>to describe what happens when cult formation takes place.

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<v Speaker 1>And the.

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<v Speaker 2>Central idea behind it is that there's some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a transcendent attraction, some sort of a transcendent statement, which

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<v Speaker 2>which is true of every religion, you know, good or bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And then there has to be a leader that defines

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<v Speaker 2>that or that translates that.

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<v Speaker 1>To the public.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you have Moses going up on the mountain

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<v Speaker 2>and then he has to come down and somehow explain

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to him up there with the burning bush.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when we can look at that as metaphorical

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<v Speaker 2>or as a vision, we don't know what it really was, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>And then the third thing I look at is is

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<v Speaker 2>the how something circles around this central idea. And so

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<v Speaker 2>there's some kind of activities, circular activity, which which is

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<v Speaker 2>the cult activity. Now that doesn't mean it's good or bad.

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<v Speaker 2>It just means it's gotten tighter, and there's a certain

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<v Speaker 2>belief inside and outside the system. And the last thing

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<v Speaker 2>is is what Robert Lifton called the dispensing of existence,

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<v Speaker 2>for the idea that that you decide who is saved

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<v Speaker 2>and who is not saved. You know, who is real

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<v Speaker 2>and who is not real, who's elite and who's not elite.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, who's a gnostic and who's not a gnostic.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's that kind of a decision. And once

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<v Speaker 2>that happens, then you end up with a self sealing

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<v Speaker 2>social system when you decide who belongs and who doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know who's among them.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>THEO goes in very elite circles, and you know, people

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<v Speaker 2>that can afford to be in those circles or at

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<v Speaker 2>least are invited into it, and they can form self

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<v Speaker 2>sealing systems, you know, because of who they invite and

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<v Speaker 2>who they don't invite, and and that can diminish dialogue,

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<v Speaker 2>productive dialogue, you know. And another way of looking at

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<v Speaker 2>it is beyond's ideas of WRB on who I really

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<v Speaker 2>like is a way of looking at self sealing systems.

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<v Speaker 2>But the more open way is sometimes more messy. Where

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<v Speaker 2>closed systems tend to be appear cleaner. It's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>easier to control what's right and what's wrong. He called

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<v Speaker 2>them basic assumption groups. When people fall into basic assumptions,

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<v Speaker 2>working groups tend to be more open. They tend to

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<v Speaker 2>be more like the way the US was conceived as

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<v Speaker 2>three powers in government and more democratic democratic republic. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit messy. It doesn't always get things right,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's self adjusting as time goes on. Whereas when

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<v Speaker 2>you get more toward basic assumption, groups which tend to

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<v Speaker 2>be totalistic in their ideas based on the ideas of

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<v Speaker 2>a leader, they can collapse into dictatorships rather quickly, which

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen throughout history. Theocracies tend to collapse into dictatorships.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, depending on what God you represent, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>some variation of the God of the Christians. We have

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<v Speaker 2>different totalist systems within Christianity. We call them calls, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's thousands of them. You have the same thing in Hinduism.

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<v Speaker 2>You can have, you know, these totalist cults and different

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<v Speaker 2>religions depending on how they begin and form. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure if what's happening around Peter Theal's ideas

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<v Speaker 2>is driving toward another totalist cult and government, but it

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<v Speaker 2>could because some of the elements are there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think you're right, Joe, he really is.

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<v Speaker 1>He's very influential, and this guy Advance is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a creation of so he's really kind of a teal cutout,

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<v Speaker 1>and my understanding the rumors that I heard is that

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<v Speaker 1>he selectively invites people to his inner circle or his

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<v Speaker 1>inner kind of core, like people, cultural figures, comedians come

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<v Speaker 1>to my dinner, come and sit down, or go on

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Rogan and say things. And it's kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>so's he's very much I would say, very involved in

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<v Speaker 1>kind of culture maintenance or almost like what a cult

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<v Speaker 1>leader would do is like this is the person I

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<v Speaker 1>want to influence. So he's selectively selecting influencers for his

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<v Speaker 1>own are almost like the the scientologists did the Celebrity Center,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how they did that. They selectively targeted influential

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<v Speaker 1>members of the culture. I think he's involved in this

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<v Speaker 1>culture creation. When he talks about the Antichrist and his

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<v Speaker 1>version of it, it's it's seating our culture. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think there's any question about it. I think he's meant

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<v Speaker 1>to set it. I think, like you said, like this

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<v Speaker 1>is his kind of like casting out on a net

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<v Speaker 1>to see who buys into his worldview.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a way of owning a word. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>you bring up a word antichrist as a buzzword. You

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<v Speaker 2>know people have been using it especially a fundamentalist Christianity.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always a big deal to name who were what

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<v Speaker 2>the Antichrist is, and there's constant interpretations of it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it's best to keep it pretty simple.

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<v Speaker 2>It's when you don't follow the goodness that Christ taught,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you don't follow the sermon on the mountain,

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<v Speaker 2>that's where it lives.

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<v Speaker 1>But when it.

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<v Speaker 2>Becomes theoretical and cosmic, you know, this dissension of the

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<v Speaker 2>Antichrist is going to take over the world. There's some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a dark force. Then you get into territory

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<v Speaker 2>where I was in with the cult. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>the Church Universal on Triumph and or some of the

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<v Speaker 2>lighthouse that went into all kinds of metaphysical, theosophical definitions

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<v Speaker 2>of what that was, and you kind of got into

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<v Speaker 2>that that idealism, subjective idealism of the group and lost

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<v Speaker 2>what it really was, which was, you know, whether you're

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<v Speaker 2>treating your family correctly. And a lot of people in

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<v Speaker 2>the cult began to reject their family, condemn their family

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<v Speaker 2>for not believing the way they did, you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>there's this inside and outside dichotomy that gets exaggerated, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what can happen here if people get

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<v Speaker 2>to pick up on this.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also the use of language. Like you talked

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<v Speaker 1>about the use of language. You did the with Wittgenstein quote,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's almost a common theme in cults too, is

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<v Speaker 1>like a scientist going back to scientology. They have almost

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<v Speaker 1>like a whole new, different version of the English language. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And do you think that, I mean, it's very similar

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<v Speaker 1>to what Deal's doing. I mean, yeah, it's a stretch. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one of the heroes I have in this field

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<v Speaker 2>of cults or whatever is Robert J. Lifton, who wrote

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<v Speaker 2>the book Thought Reform in the Psychology of Totalism came

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<v Speaker 2>out in nineteen sixty one, and in there he one

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<v Speaker 2>of the eight themes of a totalistic system is loading

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<v Speaker 2>the language. So you come up with a very special

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<v Speaker 2>language and own the insiders can understand, and it can

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<v Speaker 2>bend the minds of outsiders that want to try to

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<v Speaker 2>find out what's going on. And so if you load

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<v Speaker 2>the language with what exactly the antichrist is, you can

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<v Speaker 2>bend that term to fit a definition.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what he's done, because he's not talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the standard antichrist. No, he's talking about people who are

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<v Speaker 1>resisting human progress based upon technological themes, which is what

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<v Speaker 1>he's involved in his bounters. I think it was at

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<v Speaker 1>one point one of the new top one hundred biggest

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<v Speaker 1>companies in the US. Yeah, which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's kind of self serving selfish, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to call it that, which is one of the definitions

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<v Speaker 2>of the devil, you know, being selfish rather than serve oriented.

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<v Speaker 1>The I have this video you sent me to do

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<v Speaker 1>you mind watching it right here? Yeah, let's see.

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<v Speaker 3>Play for you. One of the most chilling clips I've

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<v Speaker 3>ever heard. And just hold on and trust me, because

431
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<v Speaker 3>it's not that chilling until you realize what it means.

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<v Speaker 4>The basic idea was that we could never win an

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<v Speaker 4>election on getting certain things because we were in such

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<v Speaker 4>a small minority. But maybe you could actually unilaterally change

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<v Speaker 4>the world without having to constantly convince people and beg

436
00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 4>people and plead with people who are never going to

437
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<v Speaker 4>agree with you, through a technological means. And this is

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<v Speaker 4>where I think technology is this incredible alternative to politics.

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<v Speaker 3>That's tech billionaire in Republican Megadonor Peter Thiel speaking at

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<v Speaker 3>a Libertopia a libertarian conference in twenty ten. He's basically

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<v Speaker 3>saying that his political ideology is so unappealing that it'll

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<v Speaker 3>never win elections. And that's one thing he right about,

443
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.720
<v Speaker 3>because he's railed against women having the right to vote,

444
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:08.319
<v Speaker 3>complained so much about diversity, and written some really disgusting

445
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.880
<v Speaker 3>stuff about sexual assault and consent. But he knows that

446
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<v Speaker 3>he can use technology as a unilateral alternative to politics,

447
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.240
<v Speaker 3>and that should really freak you out. Teal is one

448
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<v Speaker 3>of the co founders and biggest investors in Palenteer, a

449
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<v Speaker 3>CIA funded technology company that has contracts across the government

450
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<v Speaker 3>for their data software. Here's their CFO speaking a few

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<v Speaker 3>years ago. We continue to advance our mission of becoming

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<v Speaker 3>the US government's central operating system as we extend our

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<v Speaker 3>footprint across defense, healthcare, and civilian agencies. And while both

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<v Speaker 3>President Obama and Biden did sign Palenteer contracts, President Trump

455
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<v Speaker 3>is taking it way further. There are new contracts with

456
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<v Speaker 3>ICE something literally called Immigration OS and the irs. So

457
00:28:54.839 --> 00:28:57.440
<v Speaker 3>fifteen years ago, Peter Teel, like the supervillain in a

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<v Speaker 3>movie explaining his plan to the hero, admitted that he

459
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<v Speaker 3>can use technology to get his ideas across when they're unpopular,

460
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:08.319
<v Speaker 3>completely subverting democracy. And today one of his technology companies

461
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.519
<v Speaker 3>is gaining more and more power within the government, building

462
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.640
<v Speaker 3>the very systems our government relies on. And oh yeah,

463
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<v Speaker 3>this is the CEO.

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<v Speaker 5>The central risk to Palage here and America and the

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<v Speaker 5>world is a regressive way of thinking that it's corrupting

466
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<v Speaker 5>and corroding our institutions. That cause itself progressive but actually

467
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<v Speaker 5>and is called woke, but is actually a form of

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<v Speaker 5>a thin pagan religion.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're a progressive, if you have progressive values, meaning

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<v Speaker 3>you just I don't don't care about other people, the

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<v Speaker 3>CEO of the company building America's technological back end thinks

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<v Speaker 3>of you as the central risk. He thinks of you

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<v Speaker 3>as the enemy. Are these the people you want running

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<v Speaker 3>the systems you rely on, or worse, the systems that

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<v Speaker 3>surveil you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So the clip is interesting in that, you know, you're

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<v Speaker 2>getting into this big brother kind of Orwellian world, which

479
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<v Speaker 2>we're very close to because we're actually feeding into it

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<v Speaker 2>with our cell phones. We are mobile devices. We're continually

481
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<v Speaker 2>letting people read us all around the world. And you

482
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<v Speaker 2>know that information can be used against this in some ways,

483
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<v Speaker 2>and I don't see any way around it. You know,

484
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<v Speaker 2>we love to communicate that's who we are, we're social beings.

485
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<v Speaker 1>But that can.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Backfire in terms of who's controlling the system and the

487
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<v Speaker 2>information and bending it a certain way.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, if it's Teal who says it's and technologies and

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<v Speaker 1>end around against the political system, then we're in a

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<v Speaker 1>new sense of politics really.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, you know, in the end, all technology is

492
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<v Speaker 2>human generated, and humans have flaws, and unless we're self

493
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<v Speaker 2>correcting or corrected from some outside force, like a democratic

494
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:10.519
<v Speaker 2>government is supposed to be self correcting the way it's

495
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.880
<v Speaker 2>set up, and you can vote people out every four years.

496
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<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the illiberal democracies like Hungary

497
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<v Speaker 2>for instance, with they got rid of the idea of

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<v Speaker 2>democracy and the undermine the whole principle in Hungary, much

499
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<v Speaker 2>like in Russia, where the leader stays in because the

500
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:34.480
<v Speaker 2>country would be too unstable if the leader left. That's

501
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:41.559
<v Speaker 2>the excuse. So you begin autocracy. So this experiment, this

502
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 2>American experiment, is very fragile, and we've seen it go

503
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<v Speaker 2>through different phases, and we're kind of lucky to have it,

504
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:56.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, because it's generated wealth and a lot of

505
00:31:56.880 --> 00:32:00.759
<v Speaker 2>freedom of expression of ideas. You know, the the marketplace

506
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<v Speaker 2>of ideas is still very rich in America, but and

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<v Speaker 2>in democracies around the world. But that can be taken away.

508
00:32:11.279 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 2>You can end up with, you know, a global North Korea.

509
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can see that coming someday too. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it would be that easy, but who knows.

511
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<v Speaker 2>You know, if you get one big catastrophe where the

512
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<v Speaker 2>whole world is under some sort of high stress, it's

513
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<v Speaker 2>easy to collapse into totalism what Robert Lifton called totalism,

514
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<v Speaker 2>you know, reading that the trilogy The Three Body Problem

515
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<v Speaker 2>by Sitch and lou he talks about that in the

516
00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:48.519
<v Speaker 2>second book, where there's this it took five minutes for

517
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<v Speaker 2>a whole culture that's on this like a starship to

518
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<v Speaker 2>become totalistic because of the stresses around it. And he

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<v Speaker 2>refers back to the experiment done by a high school

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<v Speaker 2>teacher in nineteen sixty seven in California, and there was

521
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<v Speaker 2>a movie called The Wave that came out of it,

522
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<v Speaker 2>and he does an experiment on his high school class,

523
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>trying to teach them about Nazi Germany, and he turns

524
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<v Speaker 2>his whole class within a week, the ten days of

525
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:25.960
<v Speaker 2>it two weeks into a Nazi type of Nazi youth group.

526
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<v Speaker 2>And they didn't know what was happening to them. But

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<v Speaker 2>it shows that there was a film done on that,

528
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<v Speaker 2>so that came out in this book. You know, it

529
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<v Speaker 2>shows very clearly that totalism can happen very quickly, and

530
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<v Speaker 2>especially if a culture is under a lot of stress,

531
00:33:41.960 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 2>and we're getting under more and more stress globally. So

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00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 2>these totalistic systems can begin to take over democratic systems

533
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:53.440
<v Speaker 2>because they offer simple, quick, rapid solutions.

534
00:33:54.839 --> 00:33:57.079
<v Speaker 1>And safety too. Right, So this is they.

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<v Speaker 2>Give you a kind of if you side with that,

536
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<v Speaker 2>then you feel safe.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Right. And it was interesting that Carp in that

538
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<v Speaker 1>video says that the enemy is this thinly veiled paganism.

539
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<v Speaker 1>Like wow, so this kind of view is pagan and

540
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.639
<v Speaker 1>we are the antib that puts him into the anti

541
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.480
<v Speaker 1>pagan forces. Tell you want to talk about totalist religion,

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00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like buy a simple binary, right, this is like

543
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.199
<v Speaker 1>woke is thinly veiled paganism. It's interesting, yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you can you can impose totalism using any religion.

545
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.559
<v Speaker 2>You can use Buddhism, you can use Hinduism, you can

546
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:37.039
<v Speaker 2>use Christianity. It depends how you dumb it down, how

547
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:40.159
<v Speaker 2>you define it and impose it on people. You can

548
00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:43.039
<v Speaker 2>twist the words of Jesus, and many cults have done that,

549
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 2>thousands of them. So you can twist the words of Lenin,

550
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.199
<v Speaker 2>You can twist the words of Tolstoy, you know you can.

551
00:34:51.079 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 2>It just depends on how open the debate is around

552
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:58.880
<v Speaker 2>whatever is being said. And that's probably the key to

553
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing, is to keep the debate open and

554
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:07.559
<v Speaker 2>allow other voices to be to be heard, like you

555
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:13.760
<v Speaker 2>would in any democratic society. But it seems like, you know,

556
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:20.119
<v Speaker 2>there is this exaggerated pronouncement of what's evil and what

557
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 2>isn't and it allows for totalism to take place for government,

558
00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:27.320
<v Speaker 2>like in Hungary. You know, it was evil to allow

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<v Speaker 2>all of these these immigrants into a very small country

560
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 2>of ten million people, and they were afraid of losing

561
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 2>their gran identity, you know, being overwhelmed by immigrants. And

562
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:45.880
<v Speaker 2>that fear was taken up by urban victor Urban and

563
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:49.320
<v Speaker 2>people bought into him, at least enough people to elect him.

564
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.360
<v Speaker 2>And now he's pushed it even further where now he's

565
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<v Speaker 2>aligned with Putin more or less than he is with Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, there's a lot of American so called

567
00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Christians gone to Hungary and kind of thought that what

568
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Orbon is doing is interesting. It might work in America,

569
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, but it's it's called illiberalism. It's not not

570
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<v Speaker 2>what our founding fathers conceived of here.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's what Jarvin thinks. He thinks that there's like

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<v Speaker 1>this concept of a cathedral and it should go away,

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<v Speaker 1>and there should be some kind of like almost a

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<v Speaker 1>technique who should run everything, and that it would be

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<v Speaker 1>more equitable in not regard.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it would be more efficient.

577
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Efficient.

578
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:34.360
<v Speaker 2>You know, we don't have an efficient society. It's kind

579
00:36:34.360 --> 00:36:38.480
<v Speaker 2>of messy. And one thing that a totalist does not

580
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.719
<v Speaker 2>like is messy, you know. In other words, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have people gendering themselves, you know, for a while during

582
00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:49.000
<v Speaker 2>their lives, it's kind of messy. You don't know whether

583
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.440
<v Speaker 2>it's a he, she it or what. And it irritates

584
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:56.440
<v Speaker 2>people that tend to be conservative, you know. So we've

585
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<v Speaker 2>been going through that problem and also the idea of immigrants.

586
00:37:01.840 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, our country has been founded on immigration, and

587
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:09.800
<v Speaker 2>a lot of our farming systems, especially in the southwest

588
00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:12.639
<v Speaker 2>and in the eastern New Jersey, depend on immigrants to

589
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.920
<v Speaker 2>come during the picking season, you know, the harvest season,

590
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 2>because they weren't cheaper, you know they and Americans don't

591
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:22.840
<v Speaker 2>like to work for five bucks an hour or whatever

592
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 2>it is. So you know, that's part of our culture.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't mean it's evil or bad or it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to undermine the culture. It just has to be managed properly.

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<v Speaker 2>But now we got this whole thing about, you know,

596
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>ceiling off the border and you know immigrants that come

597
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:44.519
<v Speaker 2>in quote illegally or even temporarily or you know. So,

598
00:37:44.519 --> 00:37:46.679
<v Speaker 2>so we're going through some changes right now. I don't

599
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 2>know how long the American public will tolerate it. But

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Thiel, you know, he got his guy into office

601
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:54.519
<v Speaker 2>and he couldn't be president.

602
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>He sure did. They all did. If you remember when

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<v Speaker 1>Trump was elected, sitting behind any more all of the

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00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:07.559
<v Speaker 1>great big tech, all the Google, Teal musk, I mean,

605
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<v Speaker 1>the Liska, a guy from Apple whose name I can't

606
00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:12.159
<v Speaker 1>remember right now, but they're all there. Like he was

607
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>showing that tech was on board with him. And you did.

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<v Speaker 1>You did a video on teal Speculative religion, Luminous Lux says,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't even pinpoint what belief system teals out any ideas?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you do you want to expand on that or

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<v Speaker 1>talk about his speculative religion.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if he has one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it.

614
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<v Speaker 2>There there is a HARKing back to who is it

615
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.760
<v Speaker 2>Leo Strauss and his ideas. It seems like he had

616
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Ostraussian moment and that still seems to be part of

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<v Speaker 2>his his theme here, and that's basically, uh stating that

618
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<v Speaker 2>that democracy can't work, not in a modern ad. It's

619
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:05.880
<v Speaker 2>too messy. And so the idea of a theocracy or

620
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<v Speaker 2>something resembling that, you know, and is better to manage

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00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:17.920
<v Speaker 2>society because you you know, there's too many people displaying

622
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:22.599
<v Speaker 2>too many power moves, like you know, gendering themselves in

623
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:26.880
<v Speaker 2>eleven different ways rather than having two genders. You know,

624
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<v Speaker 2>so that's a big deal to these people. Overall in

625
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>society is not that big a deal. There aren't that

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<v Speaker 2>many numbers in terms of people doing that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>extreme self gendering. But but yeah, Leo Strauss's ideas I

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<v Speaker 2>think influenced this whole idea of applying a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a theocracy back into society because that would help us

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<v Speaker 2>manage it better.

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<v Speaker 1>It's simpler, you know, you you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have the messiness of American democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>Democracy is messy, that's like the whole thing. It's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you have dispersion of powers, and there's always the temptation

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<v Speaker 1>for centralization. But the people who founded this country resisted

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<v Speaker 1>that temptation.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they didn't want a king, you know, that

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<v Speaker 2>that was what was some kind of a fickle human

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<v Speaker 2>who could be influenced, you know, based on his own

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<v Speaker 2>jealousies and prerogatives and not really seeing what's.

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<v Speaker 1>Good for the people. You know. So we got rid

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<v Speaker 1>of kingdom.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was risky and in fact, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in the early days, some of the Americans around Washington

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<v Speaker 2>that were still favoring some of the British system wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to make George Washington king, you know, and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Stepped out of that.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a movement you know, toward that to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of re established that because it's simpler, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>easier to define. We're still defining democracy, you know what

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<v Speaker 2>it means. We have bills and amendments and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and and government, some say has gotten too fat because

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<v Speaker 2>of that, you have, you have too much government, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's part of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Appeal of having.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the the more lean government of the Trump

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<v Speaker 2>claims to represent is to pare it down, to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of it. But the problem is when you get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of that, you also can get rid of those

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<v Speaker 2>forces which are there to protect the rights of the people, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And and when you erode that, then you

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<v Speaker 2>begin elevating back into an autocracy, a kingdom or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you want to make.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys on the right, the alt right or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>that include this guy who's kind of coming up, Nick

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<v Speaker 1>fount Is they all and this includes Teal two is

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<v Speaker 1>the power and the centralization of the Roman Catholic Church

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<v Speaker 1>and the Roman Empire. They like that, they like Stalin.

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<v Speaker 1>So these are tells, guys, these are dangerous things like

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<v Speaker 1>but you can.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you can see this also in Russian politics

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<v Speaker 2>under Putin. You know, he's adopted something called cosmism. And

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<v Speaker 2>if you look at the history, but it started in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteenth century and appeals a lot to people that want

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<v Speaker 2>more totalism and government, more power at the top than

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<v Speaker 2>with the people. And I mean, if you look up cosmism,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very interesting history behind it. But it also

678
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<v Speaker 2>was aligned with the idea of the spread of technology

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<v Speaker 2>and going into space. And you know, part of cosmis

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<v Speaker 2>theory is that that we're going to discover the original Eden,

681
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<v Speaker 2>you know, somewhere, and that everybody that died will be

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<v Speaker 2>able to resurrect it. Sometimes because we're all space to

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<v Speaker 2>us after we die, but there's gonna be a way

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<v Speaker 2>to resurrect everybody. It's it's very bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, but but that's taking hold of Putin and

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<v Speaker 2>some Russian leaders, is this idea of cosmism. But but

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<v Speaker 2>all that basically is is the same thing as if

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<v Speaker 2>you applied theism, let's say too to a democratic nation,

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<v Speaker 2>then you end up destroying the democracy. You can't have

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<v Speaker 2>a theistic you know, dictator on top, uh in a

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<v Speaker 2>true democracy.

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<v Speaker 5>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's uh, it's there's a lot of temptation. I guess

695
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<v Speaker 1>there should be a book called like the Temptation to

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<v Speaker 1>Centralization because it always happens, you know, it's always going

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<v Speaker 1>on in US. Is really unique in that sense that

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<v Speaker 1>it's still it's happened more and more as DC has

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<v Speaker 1>become more powerful and federalization, but still it it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>intended to be the centralized. It was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>independent states. Guys. If anybody has any questions for the guests,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, put them in the chat please. They all

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<v Speaker 1>come in for people who don't know you're on different sites.

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<v Speaker 1>When you and you're using stream yard, if you're on

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<v Speaker 1>any sites, they all get centralized to me, so you

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<v Speaker 1>may all not see the entire chat. I tried to

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<v Speaker 1>have the ticker run so that you guys could see it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm also trying to manage it too. We've got

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred and fifty live listeners, so everybody, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>tuning in, and hopefully you know you can follow up

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<v Speaker 1>with Joe and check out his YouTube channel. He has

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<v Speaker 1>a hard stop so we might follow up with another

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<v Speaker 1>follow on to this, But yeah, I mean he does talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Teal talked about there was a Hoover Institute a lecture

715
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<v Speaker 1>that I looked at, and he'd mentioned Girod and this

716
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<v Speaker 1>love of the Roman Empire. He didn't say love with

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<v Speaker 1>the Roman Empire, but the admiration for these big, giant,

718
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<v Speaker 1>powerful organizations like the Roman Empire and uh, the Catholic Church,

719
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<v Speaker 1>which is still very powerful and centralized. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk about centralization, I mean something else. And

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<v Speaker 1>I did a show on Nick not like Nick Land,

722
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<v Speaker 1>who is a bad guy, but also Jarvin who's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of influenced these guys. Yeah, it has that kind of

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<v Speaker 1>centralized you know, we can do better than the current

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<v Speaker 1>system view. Yeah, so I think that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we we have, uh, this idea of of

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<v Speaker 2>centralized government. You have to have some of that, but

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<v Speaker 2>it has to be moderated continually. You can't as end

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<v Speaker 2>up with a dictatorship. And uh, you know, in any

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<v Speaker 2>company that you form, you have to have some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of centralized government or so we can't function. There has

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<v Speaker 2>to be rules and regulations and a leader and and

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, but but there's also has to be

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<v Speaker 2>a mechanism to get rid of the leader. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>if if they're not functioning properly in any corporation, in

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<v Speaker 2>any church and any name or that that calls themselves democratic.

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<v Speaker 2>But when you have going on now, is this push

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<v Speaker 2>toward centralized leadership that that gains more and more power

739
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<v Speaker 2>like a corporate leader might have and doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>let go of his holdings.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, So you have this.

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<v Speaker 2>Back in the cult I was in the Church Universal

743
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<v Speaker 2>on Triumph, it used to call this the capitalist communist conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to take over the world. There was some

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<v Speaker 2>truth in that, except that the cull. The Church Universal

746
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<v Speaker 2>at the time, run by Elizabeth Prophet was acting like

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<v Speaker 2>what it was criticizing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's like, well it goes back to Giran, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So she had her scapegoat, but it's a deflection. These

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<v Speaker 1>scapegoats often are deflections from the real right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the real perpetrator of these centralizers, like clear profit was

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<v Speaker 1>really something else. I want to talk about some of

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<v Speaker 1>the techniques of like cultism and language and manipulation of language.

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<v Speaker 2>What was all there and and and that that cult

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<v Speaker 2>blended everything from you know, fundamentalist Christianity, the the theosophical stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>Indian religion. It blended everything together, you know. So when

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<v Speaker 2>I was involved in that, it gave me an insight

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<v Speaker 2>into a wide variety of cult behaviors out there because

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<v Speaker 2>of its it's uh syncretism. It just blended everything into

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<v Speaker 2>this great white brotherhood of masters that run the universe

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<v Speaker 2>and influencing the earth. And this one person, Elizabeth Prophet,

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<v Speaker 2>was their spokesperson.

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<v Speaker 1>No one else could do. They're always the same or so, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>it's me or Ulbert actually called himself source I remember, Okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty wild. Yeah he did, he did. Joe we are

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<v Speaker 1>at the fifty minute mark. If anybody has any questions,

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<v Speaker 1>put him in the chat. I'll see if I can

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<v Speaker 1>go through and find something.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you find one or two? Because I do

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<v Speaker 2>have to go heart you have a heart stop for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, thanks for working around my schedule. Let's see. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if the LDS Church and all authorities, mister Dan

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<v Speaker 1>and Armagudon, maybe they believe in armageddon. This whole concept

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<v Speaker 1>of armageddon is around. There's no question. See anybody have

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<v Speaker 1>any questions, great stream, Thanks eucle tud Thanks everybody for

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<v Speaker 1>listening on short notice. And if anybody has any questions,

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<v Speaker 1>put it out here. Nick Land and Jarvignat they both

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<v Speaker 1>go together. These are guys who believe in this. They

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<v Speaker 1>also think this aggregation of power, but they never see

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<v Speaker 1>They never provide a way out, like how does this

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<v Speaker 1>power stop or disperse? That's one of the giveaways is

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<v Speaker 1>like they're never saying, oh, well, you can intrograte this

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<v Speaker 1>power and then give it away for free. It never

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<v Speaker 1>works out like that. There's very few incidences in history

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<v Speaker 1>where people give away power they usually used to be

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<v Speaker 1>they would die or something like that, like Washington quitting

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<v Speaker 1>his job after eight years was very unique. That was unique.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's set a precedent which we hopefully can

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<v Speaker 2>continue to do, unlike happening in Hungary and Russia and

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<v Speaker 2>other places.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, YouTube is saying ten people watching, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>seeing two on fifty overall platforms. That's that's what you

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<v Speaker 1>don't get, spam hunter. These comments come from three YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>channels Rumble, Twitter, Acts, Rock Finn and they're coming in.

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<v Speaker 1>So you may only see ten people on one YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know which one of my YouTube channels I made.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really dumb when I when they started censoring

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<v Speaker 1>me because I would just start a new YouTube channel

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<v Speaker 1>and that they cancel that. There's actually another YouTube channel

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<v Speaker 1>of mine out there that they had not giving back

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<v Speaker 1>to me. So yeah, Dystopinc sixty seven on her YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 1>Any thoughts on Gerard's book on scapegoating, Uh, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't read it, so I read about it, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know about it? Maybe I could cut in

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<v Speaker 1>on that. I don't know much. I've heard it in

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<v Speaker 1>a different instances. Gerard seems to be a philosopher, French philosopher.

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<v Speaker 1>People are going back to but I remember it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of concepts on the counter initiation, so kind of coming

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<v Speaker 1>out of certain enchantments of people and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there was something I printed out just the reference,

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<v Speaker 2>but from this essay on Peter Theo from Wired, and

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<v Speaker 2>it said for some Girardi is this was a breaking point.

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<v Speaker 2>The memetic theorist Bernard Perree Lambast advanced his billionaire mentor

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<v Speaker 2>in a French political journal, accusing them of casting a

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<v Speaker 2>shadow over.

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Joe. He seems to have come up. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>me on my side. But no, there you go, you're back.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe a good way to end. Do you remember do

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<v Speaker 1>you have that witt Stein quote that you said in

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<v Speaker 1>the field thing? Yeah, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Only I looked at Vixen Side, one of my favorite philosophers.

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<v Speaker 2>He was kind of a contrarian in some ways. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know he also uh privately maintained his Catholic religious faith,

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<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't something he dealt with philosophically. He said

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<v Speaker 2>that philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence by means of our language. So we can get caught.

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<v Speaker 1>Up in our own words.

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<v Speaker 2>They can become an echo chamber you know, we keep

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<v Speaker 2>hearing the same words and totalistic societies, and Robert Lifton

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<v Speaker 2>called it loading the language. If you load the language

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<v Speaker 2>of a culture, you can actually bend the way they think.

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<v Speaker 1>So, uh, it's Erwellian rights speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's basically what it was often called it

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<v Speaker 2>loading the language. But but but yeah, so vickensign's good

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<v Speaker 2>to look at in terms of that, and his idea

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<v Speaker 2>of philosophy was just the way to to break down

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<v Speaker 2>what some people said here the word magic, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the magical spell that words can cast over us. Vickenstein

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<v Speaker 2>always attacked that and and try to find a way

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<v Speaker 2>to break that apart.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we see a lot of these word games going

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<v Speaker 2>on around deal and and that that we are a

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<v Speaker 2>crowd of billionaires that are influencing government in the world

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<v Speaker 2>through Trump at this point. Uh yeah, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 2>little alarming, but it's America and things can change, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people do sometimes wake up and bothe these guys out.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, this is Joe's channel. If you're watching this,

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<v Speaker 1>so check it out. I'll put a link in the

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<v Speaker 1>show notes you can go see these waves. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the wave is the name of the movie Rights. It's

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<v Speaker 1>called The Wave.

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<v Speaker 2>It came out nineteen sixty seven and it was based

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<v Speaker 2>on a classroom experiment out in pallow out to California.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I hit the like guys hit like on any

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel there. Lily says, you can find the truth

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<v Speaker 1>through language. Also use myths as code words you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do. And I think that some of these things

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<v Speaker 1>that Teal's talking about is like the power of search

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<v Speaker 1>and myths and things like that, or his his view

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<v Speaker 1>of armagedd and Antichriser somewhat meant they're not tied in

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<v Speaker 1>Christian theology in my opinion. But we had two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty live listeners. Check it out. Joe, where can

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<v Speaker 1>people find you other than your YouTube channel and your book?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have email. They can look that up. It's

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<v Speaker 2>Jasim hard at gmail dot com. And you know I

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<v Speaker 2>tend to answer people with a email me, so that's

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<v Speaker 2>one way to find me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And you have a lot of videos. You put

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of material. I have a lot of videos.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a lot of different over one hundred by

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<v Speaker 2>now a different topics.

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<v Speaker 1>Including this one. Yeah, so go check it out. Put

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<v Speaker 1>a link to that. And again it's Joe Zimmart s

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<v Speaker 1>Z I M H A R T. So check that out.

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<v Speaker 1>You can just dipe it into YouTube. And today we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about the concept of Peter Teal's anti christ. I

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<v Speaker 1>think these subjects and the importance of them is not

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<v Speaker 1>going away. So I think it's important to watch these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're all kind of they have their own philosophies.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just they're so impactful. It's important to see like

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<v Speaker 1>where they're going, guys like deals. So is there anything

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<v Speaker 1>else you'd like to add? I know, you got a run.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got it going in a about thirty seconds here. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we can we can follow up on this, Okay, great,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe be a little more specific because this is like

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<v Speaker 2>a broad general topic about Deal. And the thing is

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's changing a bit too. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to get out of this this bubble he's in.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, he's he's caught up in himself because so powerful, which.

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<v Speaker 1>Happens to wealthy people, sure does. And people check out

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<v Speaker 1>our other interviews. We covered a course in Miracles Lewis

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<v Speaker 1>and Jollian West, and also Joe's writing about becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>cult interventionist and all his involvement and stuff like that

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<v Speaker 1>really great book Santa fe bil tating me How an

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<v Speaker 1>artist became a cult interventionist. And again the guest is

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph Simmart. Joe. Thanks until next time. Thanks so much,

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you