Speaker 1: Okay, we are alive. Hi. This is William Ramsey. Welcome
Speaker 1: to William Ramsey investigates on today's show with a very
Speaker 1: special guest or attorney guest. He was one of my
Speaker 1: earlier guests when I first kind of started doing interviews
Speaker 1: for my YouTube channels, which I recently got back. They
Speaker 1: magically appeared a couple of months ago. His name is
Speaker 1: Joe Zimhart. His last name is spelled sz im Hart,
Speaker 1: and he came to my attention. I came across this
Speaker 1: book on Amazon that I thought was interesting because of
Speaker 1: his background. The full title of that book is Santa Fe,
Speaker 1: Bill Tit and Me How an artist became a cult interventionist.
Speaker 1: And I've always been kind of focused on cults and
Speaker 1: coursive cults and kind of mind control maybe where it overlaps.
Speaker 1: So he was a great fit and we did that
Speaker 1: show and I actually restreamed it recently, so people can
Speaker 1: check that out on YouTube or Rumble or acts now
Speaker 1: or a Twitter, which is really becoming a great place
Speaker 1: to stream to, at least for me. But that's not
Speaker 1: the only shows we've done. We also did one on
Speaker 1: psychiatrist Lewis Jolly and West Joe knew him personally. He
Speaker 1: has a much different take on West than kind of
Speaker 1: people in my kind of maybe alternate media environment, like
Speaker 1: a much different take which I suggest people look at.
Speaker 1: People got really angry at me for posting that, but
Speaker 1: you have to give people their people are multifaceted. And
Speaker 1: also we also talked about a course in miracles Is
Speaker 1: It a Miracle? That was in twenty twenty three, So
Speaker 1: this will be a fourth show. And Joe came to
Speaker 1: my attention. I've kind of following him on YouTube. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I'll come across or is YouTube channel will be pushed
Speaker 1: to me on YouTube and I'll see his research. He's
Speaker 1: interested in same things I am. I think the title
Speaker 1: or subtitle of his YouTube channel was tracing the occult
Speaker 1: in the A culture. So it's like that word for
Speaker 1: me is like, you know, turns a light on in
Speaker 1: my mind. So I followed some of the stuff. And
Speaker 1: when he did a recent video on teal and his
Speaker 1: anti Christ lectures, which were kind of bandied about, people
Speaker 1: talked about it, but they weren't to my understanding, they
Speaker 1: weren't published. I know that he went to the Commonwealth
Speaker 1: Club and gave the little lecture on the Antichrist. And
Speaker 1: for people who don't know what the Commonwealth Club in
Speaker 1: California is, it's probably one of the elite premier clubs.
Speaker 1: You're very exclusive, super swanky, very nice in downtown LA.
Speaker 1: I think there may be other chapters, but I think
Speaker 1: he was talking to a pretty rarefied audience. So I'm
Speaker 1: glad to have Joe back to talk more about the Antichrist.
Speaker 1: Check out his video too. I'll put a link to
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel, but he's going to talk about that
Speaker 1: in his background. So Joe sim Hert, welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me again, William, It's good to
Speaker 2: be here.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 2: We've got an interesting topic. It seems to be buzzing
Speaker 2: about the media and podcast airways.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for sure. For people who hadn't heard our
Speaker 1: other shows, Joe May or other three shows, or may
Speaker 1: not be aware of you, your background, your experiences, maybe
Speaker 1: you can talk about that and then just lead into
Speaker 1: what you think about Teal and his anti Christ lectures.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, you know, anyone can read my book
Speaker 2: which is answering that question, and or look at my
Speaker 2: website which will put a link to. But basically I've
Speaker 2: been around this cult territory or cultiverse since the seventies,
Speaker 2: when I was involved in metaphysical pursuits and like ideas
Speaker 2: following teachings of Theosophy, the Theosophical Society, the Agony Yogu Society,
Speaker 2: the i AM Activity, and then I got involved with
Speaker 2: a group that combined all that called the Church Universal
Speaker 2: on Triumphant, currently known as the Summit Lighthouse, which was
Speaker 2: its older name. So I was involved for about a
Speaker 2: year a year and a half and not in the
Speaker 2: inner core, but deep enough to make it very difficult
Speaker 2: for me psychologically to break away, and which I did
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty In the fall. After I broke away
Speaker 2: from the group, some of the members that knew me,
Speaker 2: that recruited me, wondered why I quit, and so I
Speaker 2: sat down and talked to them, and within a few
Speaker 2: hours of discussing my reasons, they quit. You know, there
Speaker 2: was a handful of them. And then I had interaction
Speaker 2: with a young woman while I was a portrait artist
Speaker 2: in Santa Fe when I'm back here again, who was
Speaker 2: trying to recruit me into a Bible call, like a
Speaker 2: four square Bible call. She was nineteen years old, and
Speaker 2: she asked me to do a portrait for her fiance. Well,
Speaker 2: we got talking over the weeks I was there at
Speaker 2: this mall and lo and behold. After talking to me
Speaker 2: about her group, which was very similar to the esoteric
Speaker 2: New Age group, I left. She quit the group and
Speaker 2: I met with her parents that came to pick her
Speaker 2: up afterwards, and they were just overjoyed that they hadn't
Speaker 2: talked to her in six months because the cult cut
Speaker 2: her off. That was my first experience of in exit counseling,
Speaker 2: and it was Inadverton. You know, I wasn't looking and
Speaker 2: her mother came up to me and said, you know,
Speaker 2: we were praying for her and we think God sent you. Well,
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if I was going to believe that,
Speaker 2: but it was a circumstances that just happened. And so
Speaker 2: I got involved in the intervention field professionally around nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six, and I made my living as a deprogrammer,
Speaker 2: exit counselor for about twelve years, and then I worked
Speaker 2: twenty five years in a psychiatric hospital, which I worked
Speaker 2: there until the last winter, and my wife and I
Speaker 2: moved back here to Santa Fe after being away for
Speaker 2: thirty three years and so I'm starting a LLC, a business,
Speaker 2: a consulting business to help people and educate people about
Speaker 2: this cult problem, occult matters and that kind of thing
Speaker 2: which I've been spending forty five years exploring. So that's
Speaker 2: about it. And you know, Peter Teo and others that
Speaker 2: have what I call speculative metaphysics or speculative ideas about
Speaker 2: the Gospel come to my attention. A lot of people
Speaker 2: ask me about that, So I did a couple of
Speaker 2: videos my reaction to Teal.
Speaker 1: And so that's it.
Speaker 2: We can get into mister Peter Thiel and what's going
Speaker 2: on with his Antichrist motif.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's super influential. He's influencing politics and
Speaker 1: culture and the economy, and so he's got a lot
Speaker 1: of you know, hands and a lot of different things.
Speaker 1: So I think it's important if he when he's talking,
Speaker 1: he's telling people stuff. But my understanding of his anti
Speaker 1: christ lecture is that it's not really consistent with Christian theology.
Speaker 1: It uses Christian terminology, but it's not really consistent. Would
Speaker 1: you agree with that, Yeah, I'd agree with it.
Speaker 2: I mean just the basic concept of what he thinks
Speaker 2: the Antichrist is you know, he projects, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people do fundamentalists do in religion, project these kind
Speaker 2: of cosmic ideas or myths into an agent that there's
Speaker 2: going to be some kind of an agent. The Antichrist
Speaker 2: is going to be a person on a throne, you know,
Speaker 2: leading world affairs, or the Antichrist is going to be
Speaker 2: some system, some algorithm running the economy of the world,
Speaker 2: or you know whatever. In my understanding, as I grew
Speaker 2: up Catholic and I was an ultra boy back in
Speaker 2: the day, but you know, the idea of Antichrist is
Speaker 2: about behavior, and that's why I call myself a behavioral
Speaker 2: consultant in terms of cults.
Speaker 1: The Gospels teach me that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, if if you follow the Sermon on the Mount
Speaker 2: and your behavior is according to christ like principles or
Speaker 2: godly principles, then you are pro Christ and you're Antichrist.
Speaker 2: When you don't do that, when your behavior is not
Speaker 2: in line with kindness and goodness and honesty and and
Speaker 2: all of that, it's it's you know, the beliefs are there,
Speaker 2: but beliefs have to result in behavior. So with with thel,
Speaker 2: you know, he's coming up with a system what's called
Speaker 2: a cult of ideas or or there's different ways to
Speaker 2: form cults. He can form cults around a person, idea movement,
Speaker 2: and you know, certain behaviors that you define. But you know,
Speaker 2: so he has this idea of the Antichrist, and he
Speaker 2: seems to derive it from uh someone Carl Schmidt to
Speaker 2: some degree, and they also borrow it from I forget
Speaker 2: his name. So, yeah, Gerard's theory, and you know, Gerard
Speaker 2: basically broke away from this. I think he doesn't agree
Speaker 2: with all this, but uh, the idea is that there's
Speaker 2: some kind of a catacoon they call it, or something
Speaker 2: out there which will hold back the coming of the Antichrist.
Speaker 2: And it comes from Thessalonians Paul in the Gospel. And
Speaker 2: this whole speculative version that Peter Deal puts out is
Speaker 2: expanding on that idea that that this Antichrist is is
Speaker 2: somehow coming up. And uh, and so he he uh
Speaker 2: sees the idea of the crucifixion. I think as uh
Speaker 2: that there's this scapegoat idea that comes up. Maybe you
Speaker 2: can speak about that a little bit.
Speaker 1: I just know that your Gerard did something that all
Speaker 1: societies need escape. Yeah, and Schmidt was like kind of
Speaker 1: a Nazi philosopher, is my understanding. So he's using this
Speaker 1: catacoon idea. It's it's pretty suspect like he thinks. But
Speaker 1: my understanding is that he doesn't believe in the literal Antichrist.
Speaker 1: The Antichrist is the things that are keeping people from
Speaker 1: moving forward. Did you get that impression?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got that as kind of like a system
Speaker 2: that's in place or or you know, he deal is
Speaker 2: not specific. He tends to dance around what he's trying
Speaker 2: to say, at least from what.
Speaker 1: I read, And uh so.
Speaker 2: There's this vagueness involved in the way he approaches this.
Speaker 2: But you know, one of his critics is this guy,
Speaker 2: Wolfgang pal Pelaver I think his name is, and who
Speaker 2: he knows. They know each other and they are somewhat friends,
Speaker 2: but they don't agree on how this whole thing is
Speaker 2: supposed to work. So you know, I'm going to read
Speaker 2: from what I downloaded here, says Pelaver says, you need
Speaker 2: to first understand that he, Peter Deel, is human, and
Speaker 2: he said, what I've observed are traces of deep fear,
Speaker 2: he told me, fear of death, fear of terrorism, and
Speaker 2: it all comes down to a lack of trust and
Speaker 2: a craving for security, So he sees Peter deal More
Speaker 2: as an immature philosopher when it comes to the idea
Speaker 2: of Antichrist or whatever. I don't think he takes them seriously.
Speaker 2: This deel takes himself, so, you know, and maybe because
Speaker 2: Theel but basically isolates this idea of of of of
Speaker 2: anti Christ in his own subjective formulation, which is called
Speaker 2: is of Jesus, when when you look at hermeneutics, he's
Speaker 2: not doing egs of Jesus. In other words, it's not
Speaker 2: very applicable in a broad sense to Christianity. It's very
Speaker 2: much subjective and personalized. And because he's extremely wealthy, people
Speaker 2: take him seriously because you can throw money into something
Speaker 2: and make it work socially affect society, you know, much
Speaker 2: as any totalist cult leader might might do in terms
Speaker 2: of their influence. So I don't know if that's his
Speaker 2: intention a you know, I really don't know. I just
Speaker 2: think that he has gotten into territory with this concept
Speaker 2: of of of Antichrist, which is over his head theologically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I think that he's he's not really
Speaker 1: addressing it from a Christian perspective. I think in Ephesians
Speaker 1: or something, I mentioned it. But I think that if
Speaker 1: he's part of the Builderberg Society and all of these
Speaker 1: secret things, and he's got friends in places, and he
Speaker 1: wants to actually become a resident of the Isle of Malta,
Speaker 1: so he's an international So I think that he's trying
Speaker 1: to create a philosophy that benefits himself. I think that's it.
Speaker 1: I think he criticized Greater Thunberg too, because somebody who's
Speaker 1: like a backwards person. So I think his ideas of
Speaker 1: Antichrist are more consistent with somebody like it's consistent with
Speaker 1: his ethos of like the the well and the well
Speaker 1: meaning individual who's make change in the world kind of like,
Speaker 1: I think that's it. So people who resist that are
Speaker 1: the forces of Antichrist. I think that that's his view
Speaker 1: because he's really I don't think he's he's like one
Speaker 1: of these guys at the Dark and Enlightenment. I just
Speaker 1: did a show on that. I think that they can
Speaker 1: make their own, you know, reality, better than these political
Speaker 1: systems can. Did you get that impression, Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's kind of like the extravagance or
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 1: You know, of power.
Speaker 2: Somebody's in power and they feel they're chosen and their
Speaker 2: ideas are God's ideas, and therefore they share these with
Speaker 2: the world. I mean, this happened with just about every
Speaker 2: one that gains a lot of power, and and it's
Speaker 2: difficult to criticize someone like that because he doesn't have
Speaker 2: to listen to anybody. So in fact, a lot of
Speaker 2: people listen to him because is you know, his money
Speaker 2: means something. You know, for instance, getting JD. Vance into
Speaker 2: the vice presidency had a lot to do with his
Speaker 2: influence and power in terms of finances.
Speaker 1: But I think.
Speaker 2: The the concept of Antichrist that that he's putting out
Speaker 2: here is again it's it's kind of fundamentalist. It doesn't
Speaker 2: have the rigor of the Gospel to it. So I
Speaker 2: think he's outside of that realm, and you know, almost
Speaker 2: in kind of a neo Gnostic realm of seeing the
Speaker 2: world divided into black and white and radical dualistic ideas,
Speaker 2: which is what gnosticism is based on, and and that
Speaker 2: somehow the metaphysical is much more important than the physical,
Speaker 2: meaning that.
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, he's like I think you mentioned in
Speaker 1: your video, there's no like he's a deconstructionist, like there's
Speaker 1: not as many external truths for him. Would you agree
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. It's it's basically ideology of a sort.
Speaker 2: And you know, like you know, when you when you
Speaker 2: think about the idea of Antichrist, and and it's it's
Speaker 2: something that works in the world, as the world works.
Speaker 2: It's not something which is going to be imposed from
Speaker 2: the cosmos onto the earth, you know, like some kind
Speaker 2: of a virus that passes through and uh uh. This
Speaker 2: is just something we deal with. Is if you're a Christian,
Speaker 2: the Antichrist is constantly around. It's that little whispering demon
Speaker 2: in your ear telling you not to help that person
Speaker 2: on the street that just fell over and is vomiting.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe they need to go to a hospital,
Speaker 2: you know, and you've got to get the work. You
Speaker 2: know that that to me is Antichrist.
Speaker 1: It's not this uh.
Speaker 2: Mystical uh demonic uh power that is somehow going to
Speaker 2: change the economy, uh and keep wealthy people from getting wealthier.
Speaker 1: I think in the Christian system it's both like this
Speaker 1: the spirit of Antichrist and then a personage too, So
Speaker 1: it's like it's doublely kind of confusing from Christian theological perspective.
Speaker 1: I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I mean, there is metaphysics and christian is in Christian
Speaker 2: teaching obviously, especially when you get to the Gospel of John,
Speaker 2: it gets pretty out.
Speaker 1: There even revelation too, right, So well, that's even further.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's much more abstract and metaphorical and uh interesting.
Speaker 2: And you know, and in the early Church there was
Speaker 2: a big debate of whether to even include Revelation considered
Speaker 2: extra biblical in the sense of the essential teachings that
Speaker 2: they were trying to hand down, but it was included,
Speaker 2: and we're still dealing with it because people keep thinking
Speaker 2: that we're in the end times. Every generation seems to
Speaker 2: come up with some interpretation of revelations and applying it
Speaker 2: to themselves or to the current state of affairs.
Speaker 1: It's very true, like there are end times, has never
Speaker 1: gone away. We're always at the end times. People are
Speaker 1: always looking for the end times. The other thing is
Speaker 1: that you kind of also see Teal as somebody kind
Speaker 1: of in the eyes of it or seem as a
Speaker 1: kind of cult leader where he's creating a self sealing
Speaker 1: social system. Can you explain that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I've used that term self sealing social system
Speaker 2: to describe what happens when cult formation takes place.
Speaker 1: And the.
Speaker 2: Central idea behind it is that there's some kind of
Speaker 2: a transcendent attraction, some sort of a transcendent statement, which
Speaker 2: which is true of every religion, you know, good or bad.
Speaker 2: And then there has to be a leader that defines
Speaker 2: that or that translates that.
Speaker 1: To the public.
Speaker 2: You know, you have Moses going up on the mountain
Speaker 2: and then he has to come down and somehow explain
Speaker 2: what happened to him up there with the burning bush.
Speaker 2: You know, when we can look at that as metaphorical
Speaker 2: or as a vision, we don't know what it really was, but.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: And then the third thing I look at is is
Speaker 2: the how something circles around this central idea. And so
Speaker 2: there's some kind of activities, circular activity, which which is
Speaker 2: the cult activity. Now that doesn't mean it's good or bad.
Speaker 2: It just means it's gotten tighter, and there's a certain
Speaker 2: belief inside and outside the system. And the last thing
Speaker 2: is is what Robert Lifton called the dispensing of existence,
Speaker 2: for the idea that that you decide who is saved
Speaker 2: and who is not saved. You know, who is real
Speaker 2: and who is not real, who's elite and who's not elite.
Speaker 2: You know, who's a gnostic and who's not a gnostic.
Speaker 2: You know, it's that kind of a decision. And once
Speaker 2: that happens, then you end up with a self sealing
Speaker 2: social system when you decide who belongs and who doesn't,
Speaker 2: you know who's among them.
Speaker 1: So, you know, Peter.
Speaker 2: THEO goes in very elite circles, and you know, people
Speaker 2: that can afford to be in those circles or at
Speaker 2: least are invited into it, and they can form self
Speaker 2: sealing systems, you know, because of who they invite and
Speaker 2: who they don't invite, and and that can diminish dialogue,
Speaker 2: productive dialogue, you know. And another way of looking at
Speaker 2: it is beyond's ideas of WRB on who I really
Speaker 2: like is a way of looking at self sealing systems.
Speaker 2: But the more open way is sometimes more messy. Where
Speaker 2: closed systems tend to be appear cleaner. It's a lot
Speaker 2: easier to control what's right and what's wrong. He called
Speaker 2: them basic assumption groups. When people fall into basic assumptions,
Speaker 2: working groups tend to be more open. They tend to
Speaker 2: be more like the way the US was conceived as
Speaker 2: three powers in government and more democratic democratic republic. It's
Speaker 2: a little bit messy. It doesn't always get things right,
Speaker 2: but it's self adjusting as time goes on. Whereas when
Speaker 2: you get more toward basic assumption, groups which tend to
Speaker 2: be totalistic in their ideas based on the ideas of
Speaker 2: a leader, they can collapse into dictatorships rather quickly, which
Speaker 2: we've seen throughout history. Theocracies tend to collapse into dictatorships.
Speaker 2: You know, depending on what God you represent, whether it's
Speaker 2: some variation of the God of the Christians. We have
Speaker 2: different totalist systems within Christianity. We call them calls, and
Speaker 2: there's thousands of them. You have the same thing in Hinduism.
Speaker 2: You can have, you know, these totalist cults and different
Speaker 2: religions depending on how they begin and form. So, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if what's happening around Peter Theal's ideas
Speaker 2: is driving toward another totalist cult and government, but it
Speaker 2: could because some of the elements are there.
Speaker 1: I think I think you're right, Joe, he really is.
Speaker 1: He's very influential, and this guy Advance is kind of
Speaker 1: a creation of so he's really kind of a teal cutout,
Speaker 1: and my understanding the rumors that I heard is that
Speaker 1: he selectively invites people to his inner circle or his
Speaker 1: inner kind of core, like people, cultural figures, comedians come
Speaker 1: to my dinner, come and sit down, or go on
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan and say things. And it's kind of like,
Speaker 1: so's he's very much I would say, very involved in
Speaker 1: kind of culture maintenance or almost like what a cult
Speaker 1: leader would do is like this is the person I
Speaker 1: want to influence. So he's selectively selecting influencers for his
Speaker 1: own are almost like the the scientologists did the Celebrity Center,
Speaker 1: you know how they did that. They selectively targeted influential
Speaker 1: members of the culture. I think he's involved in this
Speaker 1: culture creation. When he talks about the Antichrist and his
Speaker 1: version of it, it's it's seating our culture. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's any question about it. I think he's meant
Speaker 1: to set it. I think, like you said, like this
Speaker 1: is his kind of like casting out on a net
Speaker 1: to see who buys into his worldview.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a way of owning a word. I mean
Speaker 2: you bring up a word antichrist as a buzzword. You
Speaker 2: know people have been using it especially a fundamentalist Christianity.
Speaker 2: It's always a big deal to name who were what
Speaker 2: the Antichrist is, and there's constant interpretations of it, you know,
Speaker 2: but I think it's best to keep it pretty simple.
Speaker 2: It's when you don't follow the goodness that Christ taught,
Speaker 2: you know, you don't follow the sermon on the mountain,
Speaker 2: that's where it lives.
Speaker 1: But when it.
Speaker 2: Becomes theoretical and cosmic, you know, this dissension of the
Speaker 2: Antichrist is going to take over the world. There's some
Speaker 2: kind of a dark force. Then you get into territory
Speaker 2: where I was in with the cult. I was in
Speaker 2: the Church Universal on Triumph and or some of the
Speaker 2: lighthouse that went into all kinds of metaphysical, theosophical definitions
Speaker 2: of what that was, and you kind of got into
Speaker 2: that that idealism, subjective idealism of the group and lost
Speaker 2: what it really was, which was, you know, whether you're
Speaker 2: treating your family correctly. And a lot of people in
Speaker 2: the cult began to reject their family, condemn their family
Speaker 2: for not believing the way they did, you know, And
Speaker 2: there's this inside and outside dichotomy that gets exaggerated, and
Speaker 2: I think that's what can happen here if people get
Speaker 2: to pick up on this.
Speaker 1: But it's also the use of language. Like you talked
Speaker 1: about the use of language. You did the with Wittgenstein quote,
Speaker 1: And that's almost a common theme in cults too, is
Speaker 1: like a scientist going back to scientology. They have almost
Speaker 1: like a whole new, different version of the English language. Right,
Speaker 1: And do you think that, I mean, it's very similar
Speaker 1: to what Deal's doing. I mean, yeah, it's a stretch. Well.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the heroes I have in this field
Speaker 2: of cults or whatever is Robert J. Lifton, who wrote
Speaker 2: the book Thought Reform in the Psychology of Totalism came
Speaker 2: out in nineteen sixty one, and in there he one
Speaker 2: of the eight themes of a totalistic system is loading
Speaker 2: the language. So you come up with a very special
Speaker 2: language and own the insiders can understand, and it can
Speaker 2: bend the minds of outsiders that want to try to
Speaker 2: find out what's going on. And so if you load
Speaker 2: the language with what exactly the antichrist is, you can
Speaker 2: bend that term to fit a definition.
Speaker 1: And that's what he's done, because he's not talking about
Speaker 1: the standard antichrist. No, he's talking about people who are
Speaker 1: resisting human progress based upon technological themes, which is what
Speaker 1: he's involved in his bounters. I think it was at
Speaker 1: one point one of the new top one hundred biggest
Speaker 1: companies in the US. Yeah, which is crazy.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of self serving selfish, if you want
Speaker 2: to call it that, which is one of the definitions
Speaker 2: of the devil, you know, being selfish rather than serve oriented.
Speaker 1: The I have this video you sent me to do
Speaker 1: you mind watching it right here? Yeah, let's see.
Speaker 3: Play for you. One of the most chilling clips I've
Speaker 3: ever heard. And just hold on and trust me, because
Speaker 3: it's not that chilling until you realize what it means.
Speaker 4: The basic idea was that we could never win an
Speaker 4: election on getting certain things because we were in such
Speaker 4: a small minority. But maybe you could actually unilaterally change
Speaker 4: the world without having to constantly convince people and beg
Speaker 4: people and plead with people who are never going to
Speaker 4: agree with you, through a technological means. And this is
Speaker 4: where I think technology is this incredible alternative to politics.
Speaker 3: That's tech billionaire in Republican Megadonor Peter Thiel speaking at
Speaker 3: a Libertopia a libertarian conference in twenty ten. He's basically
Speaker 3: saying that his political ideology is so unappealing that it'll
Speaker 3: never win elections. And that's one thing he right about,
Speaker 3: because he's railed against women having the right to vote,
Speaker 3: complained so much about diversity, and written some really disgusting
Speaker 3: stuff about sexual assault and consent. But he knows that
Speaker 3: he can use technology as a unilateral alternative to politics,
Speaker 3: and that should really freak you out. Teal is one
Speaker 3: of the co founders and biggest investors in Palenteer, a
Speaker 3: CIA funded technology company that has contracts across the government
Speaker 3: for their data software. Here's their CFO speaking a few
Speaker 3: years ago. We continue to advance our mission of becoming
Speaker 3: the US government's central operating system as we extend our
Speaker 3: footprint across defense, healthcare, and civilian agencies. And while both
Speaker 3: President Obama and Biden did sign Palenteer contracts, President Trump
Speaker 3: is taking it way further. There are new contracts with
Speaker 3: ICE something literally called Immigration OS and the irs. So
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago, Peter Teel, like the supervillain in a
Speaker 3: movie explaining his plan to the hero, admitted that he
Speaker 3: can use technology to get his ideas across when they're unpopular,
Speaker 3: completely subverting democracy. And today one of his technology companies
Speaker 3: is gaining more and more power within the government, building
Speaker 3: the very systems our government relies on. And oh yeah,
Speaker 3: this is the CEO.
Speaker 5: The central risk to Palage here and America and the
Speaker 5: world is a regressive way of thinking that it's corrupting
Speaker 5: and corroding our institutions. That cause itself progressive but actually
Speaker 5: and is called woke, but is actually a form of
Speaker 5: a thin pagan religion.
Speaker 3: If you're a progressive, if you have progressive values, meaning
Speaker 3: you just I don't don't care about other people, the
Speaker 3: CEO of the company building America's technological back end thinks
Speaker 3: of you as the central risk. He thinks of you
Speaker 3: as the enemy. Are these the people you want running
Speaker 3: the systems you rely on, or worse, the systems that
Speaker 3: surveil you.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: So the clip is interesting in that, you know, you're
Speaker 2: getting into this big brother kind of Orwellian world, which
Speaker 2: we're very close to because we're actually feeding into it
Speaker 2: with our cell phones. We are mobile devices. We're continually
Speaker 2: letting people read us all around the world. And you
Speaker 2: know that information can be used against this in some ways,
Speaker 2: and I don't see any way around it. You know,
Speaker 2: we love to communicate that's who we are, we're social beings.
Speaker 1: But that can.
Speaker 2: Backfire in terms of who's controlling the system and the
Speaker 2: information and bending it a certain way.
Speaker 1: Right, if it's Teal who says it's and technologies and
Speaker 1: end around against the political system, then we're in a
Speaker 1: new sense of politics really.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, you know, in the end, all technology is
Speaker 2: human generated, and humans have flaws, and unless we're self
Speaker 2: correcting or corrected from some outside force, like a democratic
Speaker 2: government is supposed to be self correcting the way it's
Speaker 2: set up, and you can vote people out every four years.
Speaker 2: And if you look at the illiberal democracies like Hungary
Speaker 2: for instance, with they got rid of the idea of
Speaker 2: democracy and the undermine the whole principle in Hungary, much
Speaker 2: like in Russia, where the leader stays in because the
Speaker 2: country would be too unstable if the leader left. That's
Speaker 2: the excuse. So you begin autocracy. So this experiment, this
Speaker 2: American experiment, is very fragile, and we've seen it go
Speaker 2: through different phases, and we're kind of lucky to have it,
Speaker 2: you know, because it's generated wealth and a lot of
Speaker 2: freedom of expression of ideas. You know, the the marketplace
Speaker 2: of ideas is still very rich in America, but and
Speaker 2: in democracies around the world. But that can be taken away.
Speaker 2: You can end up with, you know, a global North Korea.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can see that coming someday too. And
Speaker 2: I don't think it would be that easy, but who knows.
Speaker 2: You know, if you get one big catastrophe where the
Speaker 2: whole world is under some sort of high stress, it's
Speaker 2: easy to collapse into totalism what Robert Lifton called totalism,
Speaker 2: you know, reading that the trilogy The Three Body Problem
Speaker 2: by Sitch and lou he talks about that in the
Speaker 2: second book, where there's this it took five minutes for
Speaker 2: a whole culture that's on this like a starship to
Speaker 2: become totalistic because of the stresses around it. And he
Speaker 2: refers back to the experiment done by a high school
Speaker 2: teacher in nineteen sixty seven in California, and there was
Speaker 2: a movie called The Wave that came out of it,
Speaker 2: and he does an experiment on his high school class,
Speaker 2: trying to teach them about Nazi Germany, and he turns
Speaker 2: his whole class within a week, the ten days of
Speaker 2: it two weeks into a Nazi type of Nazi youth group.
Speaker 2: And they didn't know what was happening to them. But
Speaker 2: it shows that there was a film done on that,
Speaker 2: so that came out in this book. You know, it
Speaker 2: shows very clearly that totalism can happen very quickly, and
Speaker 2: especially if a culture is under a lot of stress,
Speaker 2: and we're getting under more and more stress globally. So
Speaker 2: these totalistic systems can begin to take over democratic systems
Speaker 2: because they offer simple, quick, rapid solutions.
Speaker 1: And safety too. Right, So this is they.
Speaker 2: Give you a kind of if you side with that,
Speaker 2: then you feel safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. And it was interesting that Carp in that
Speaker 1: video says that the enemy is this thinly veiled paganism.
Speaker 1: Like wow, so this kind of view is pagan and
Speaker 1: we are the antib that puts him into the anti
Speaker 1: pagan forces. Tell you want to talk about totalist religion,
Speaker 1: It's like buy a simple binary, right, this is like
Speaker 1: woke is thinly veiled paganism. It's interesting, yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, you can you can impose totalism using any religion.
Speaker 2: You can use Buddhism, you can use Hinduism, you can
Speaker 2: use Christianity. It depends how you dumb it down, how
Speaker 2: you define it and impose it on people. You can
Speaker 2: twist the words of Jesus, and many cults have done that,
Speaker 2: thousands of them. So you can twist the words of Lenin,
Speaker 2: You can twist the words of Tolstoy, you know you can.
Speaker 2: It just depends on how open the debate is around
Speaker 2: whatever is being said. And that's probably the key to
Speaker 2: this whole thing, is to keep the debate open and
Speaker 2: allow other voices to be to be heard, like you
Speaker 2: would in any democratic society. But it seems like, you know,
Speaker 2: there is this exaggerated pronouncement of what's evil and what
Speaker 2: isn't and it allows for totalism to take place for government,
Speaker 2: like in Hungary. You know, it was evil to allow
Speaker 2: all of these these immigrants into a very small country
Speaker 2: of ten million people, and they were afraid of losing
Speaker 2: their gran identity, you know, being overwhelmed by immigrants. And
Speaker 2: that fear was taken up by urban victor Urban and
Speaker 2: people bought into him, at least enough people to elect him.
Speaker 2: And now he's pushed it even further where now he's
Speaker 2: aligned with Putin more or less than he is with Russia.
Speaker 2: And you know, there's a lot of American so called
Speaker 2: Christians gone to Hungary and kind of thought that what
Speaker 2: Orbon is doing is interesting. It might work in America,
Speaker 2: you know, but it's it's called illiberalism. It's not not
Speaker 2: what our founding fathers conceived of here.
Speaker 1: No, that's what Jarvin thinks. He thinks that there's like
Speaker 1: this concept of a cathedral and it should go away,
Speaker 1: and there should be some kind of like almost a
Speaker 1: technique who should run everything, and that it would be
Speaker 1: more equitable in not regard.
Speaker 2: Oh, it would be more efficient.
Speaker 1: Efficient.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't have an efficient society. It's kind
Speaker 2: of messy. And one thing that a totalist does not
Speaker 2: like is messy, you know. In other words, if you
Speaker 2: have people gendering themselves, you know, for a while during
Speaker 2: their lives, it's kind of messy. You don't know whether
Speaker 2: it's a he, she it or what. And it irritates
Speaker 2: people that tend to be conservative, you know. So we've
Speaker 2: been going through that problem and also the idea of immigrants.
Speaker 2: You know, our country has been founded on immigration, and
Speaker 2: a lot of our farming systems, especially in the southwest
Speaker 2: and in the eastern New Jersey, depend on immigrants to
Speaker 2: come during the picking season, you know, the harvest season,
Speaker 2: because they weren't cheaper, you know they and Americans don't
Speaker 2: like to work for five bucks an hour or whatever
Speaker 2: it is. So you know, that's part of our culture.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean it's evil or bad or it's going
Speaker 2: to undermine the culture. It just has to be managed properly.
Speaker 2: But now we got this whole thing about, you know,
Speaker 2: ceiling off the border and you know immigrants that come
Speaker 2: in quote illegally or even temporarily or you know. So,
Speaker 2: so we're going through some changes right now. I don't
Speaker 2: know how long the American public will tolerate it. But
Speaker 2: Peter Thiel, you know, he got his guy into office
Speaker 2: and he couldn't be president.
Speaker 1: He sure did. They all did. If you remember when
Speaker 1: Trump was elected, sitting behind any more all of the
Speaker 1: great big tech, all the Google, Teal musk, I mean,
Speaker 1: the Liska, a guy from Apple whose name I can't
Speaker 1: remember right now, but they're all there. Like he was
Speaker 1: showing that tech was on board with him. And you did.
Speaker 1: You did a video on teal Speculative religion, Luminous Lux says,
Speaker 1: I can't even pinpoint what belief system teals out any ideas?
Speaker 1: Do you do you want to expand on that or
Speaker 1: talk about his speculative religion.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if he has one.
Speaker 1: You know it.
Speaker 2: There there is a HARKing back to who is it
Speaker 2: Leo Strauss and his ideas. It seems like he had
Speaker 2: Ostraussian moment and that still seems to be part of
Speaker 2: his his theme here, and that's basically, uh stating that
Speaker 2: that democracy can't work, not in a modern ad. It's
Speaker 2: too messy. And so the idea of a theocracy or
Speaker 2: something resembling that, you know, and is better to manage
Speaker 2: society because you you know, there's too many people displaying
Speaker 2: too many power moves, like you know, gendering themselves in
Speaker 2: eleven different ways rather than having two genders. You know,
Speaker 2: so that's a big deal to these people. Overall in
Speaker 2: society is not that big a deal. There aren't that
Speaker 2: many numbers in terms of people doing that kind of
Speaker 2: extreme self gendering. But but yeah, Leo Strauss's ideas I
Speaker 2: think influenced this whole idea of applying a kind of
Speaker 2: a theocracy back into society because that would help us
Speaker 2: manage it better.
Speaker 1: It's simpler, you know, you you.
Speaker 2: Don't have the messiness of American democracy.
Speaker 1: Democracy is messy, that's like the whole thing. It's like,
Speaker 1: you have dispersion of powers, and there's always the temptation
Speaker 1: for centralization. But the people who founded this country resisted
Speaker 1: that temptation.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they didn't want a king, you know, that
Speaker 2: that was what was some kind of a fickle human
Speaker 2: who could be influenced, you know, based on his own
Speaker 2: jealousies and prerogatives and not really seeing what's.
Speaker 1: Good for the people. You know. So we got rid
Speaker 1: of kingdom.
Speaker 2: You know, it was risky and in fact, you know,
Speaker 2: in the early days, some of the Americans around Washington
Speaker 2: that were still favoring some of the British system wanted
Speaker 2: to make George Washington king, you know, and he.
Speaker 1: Stepped out of that.
Speaker 2: There was a movement you know, toward that to kind
Speaker 2: of re established that because it's simpler, it's a lot
Speaker 2: easier to define. We're still defining democracy, you know what
Speaker 2: it means. We have bills and amendments and you know,
Speaker 2: and and government, some say has gotten too fat because
Speaker 2: of that, you have, you have too much government, and
Speaker 2: that's part of the.
Speaker 1: Appeal of having.
Speaker 2: You know, the the more lean government of the Trump
Speaker 2: claims to represent is to pare it down, to get
Speaker 2: rid of it. But the problem is when you get
Speaker 2: rid of that, you also can get rid of those
Speaker 2: forces which are there to protect the rights of the people, right,
Speaker 2: you know, And and when you erode that, then you
Speaker 2: begin elevating back into an autocracy, a kingdom or whatever
Speaker 2: you want to make.
Speaker 1: These guys on the right, the alt right or whatever
Speaker 1: that include this guy who's kind of coming up, Nick
Speaker 1: fount Is they all and this includes Teal two is
Speaker 1: the power and the centralization of the Roman Catholic Church
Speaker 1: and the Roman Empire. They like that, they like Stalin.
Speaker 1: So these are tells, guys, these are dangerous things like
Speaker 1: but you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can see this also in Russian politics
Speaker 2: under Putin. You know, he's adopted something called cosmism. And
Speaker 2: if you look at the history, but it started in
Speaker 2: nineteenth century and appeals a lot to people that want
Speaker 2: more totalism and government, more power at the top than
Speaker 2: with the people. And I mean, if you look up cosmism,
Speaker 2: it's a very interesting history behind it. But it also
Speaker 2: was aligned with the idea of the spread of technology
Speaker 2: and going into space. And you know, part of cosmis
Speaker 2: theory is that that we're going to discover the original Eden,
Speaker 2: you know, somewhere, and that everybody that died will be
Speaker 2: able to resurrect it. Sometimes because we're all space to
Speaker 2: us after we die, but there's gonna be a way
Speaker 2: to resurrect everybody. It's it's very bizarre.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But uh, but but that's taking hold of Putin and
Speaker 2: some Russian leaders, is this idea of cosmism. But but
Speaker 2: all that basically is is the same thing as if
Speaker 2: you applied theism, let's say too to a democratic nation,
Speaker 2: then you end up destroying the democracy. You can't have
Speaker 2: a theistic you know, dictator on top, uh in a
Speaker 2: true democracy.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's there's a lot of temptation. I guess
Speaker 1: there should be a book called like the Temptation to
Speaker 1: Centralization because it always happens, you know, it's always going
Speaker 1: on in US. Is really unique in that sense that
Speaker 1: it's still it's happened more and more as DC has
Speaker 1: become more powerful and federalization, but still it it wasn't
Speaker 1: intended to be the centralized. It was supposed to be
Speaker 1: independent states. Guys. If anybody has any questions for the guests,
Speaker 1: you know, put them in the chat please. They all
Speaker 1: come in for people who don't know you're on different sites.
Speaker 1: When you and you're using stream yard, if you're on
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Speaker 1: may all not see the entire chat. I tried to
Speaker 1: have the ticker run so that you guys could see it,
Speaker 1: but I'm also trying to manage it too. We've got
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty live listeners, so everybody, thanks for
Speaker 1: tuning in, and hopefully you know you can follow up
Speaker 1: with Joe and check out his YouTube channel. He has
Speaker 1: a hard stop so we might follow up with another
Speaker 1: follow on to this, But yeah, I mean he does talk.
Speaker 1: Teal talked about there was a Hoover Institute a lecture
Speaker 1: that I looked at, and he'd mentioned Girod and this
Speaker 1: love of the Roman Empire. He didn't say love with
Speaker 1: the Roman Empire, but the admiration for these big, giant,
Speaker 1: powerful organizations like the Roman Empire and uh, the Catholic Church,
Speaker 1: which is still very powerful and centralized. I mean, you
Speaker 1: want to talk about centralization, I mean something else. And
Speaker 1: I did a show on Nick not like Nick Land,
Speaker 1: who is a bad guy, but also Jarvin who's kind
Speaker 1: of influenced these guys. Yeah, it has that kind of
Speaker 1: centralized you know, we can do better than the current
Speaker 1: system view. Yeah, so I think that's a good point.
Speaker 2: You know, we we have, uh, this idea of of
Speaker 2: centralized government. You have to have some of that, but
Speaker 2: it has to be moderated continually. You can't as end
Speaker 2: up with a dictatorship. And uh, you know, in any
Speaker 2: company that you form, you have to have some kind
Speaker 2: of centralized government or so we can't function. There has
Speaker 2: to be rules and regulations and a leader and and
Speaker 2: uh you know, but but there's also has to be
Speaker 2: a mechanism to get rid of the leader. You know,
Speaker 2: if if they're not functioning properly in any corporation, in
Speaker 2: any church and any name or that that calls themselves democratic.
Speaker 2: But when you have going on now, is this push
Speaker 2: toward centralized leadership that that gains more and more power
Speaker 2: like a corporate leader might have and doesn't want to
Speaker 2: let go of his holdings.
Speaker 1: You know, So you have this.
Speaker 2: Back in the cult I was in the Church Universal
Speaker 2: on Triumph, it used to call this the capitalist communist conspiracy,
Speaker 2: you know, to take over the world. There was some
Speaker 2: truth in that, except that the cull. The Church Universal
Speaker 2: at the time, run by Elizabeth Prophet was acting like
Speaker 2: what it was criticizing.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, well it goes back to Giran, right,
Speaker 1: So she had her scapegoat, but it's a deflection. These
Speaker 1: scapegoats often are deflections from the real right, you know,
Speaker 1: the real perpetrator of these centralizers, like clear profit was
Speaker 1: really something else. I want to talk about some of
Speaker 1: the techniques of like cultism and language and manipulation of language.
Speaker 2: What was all there and and and that that cult
Speaker 2: blended everything from you know, fundamentalist Christianity, the the theosophical stuff,
Speaker 2: Indian religion. It blended everything together, you know. So when
Speaker 2: I was involved in that, it gave me an insight
Speaker 2: into a wide variety of cult behaviors out there because
Speaker 2: of its it's uh syncretism. It just blended everything into
Speaker 2: this great white brotherhood of masters that run the universe
Speaker 2: and influencing the earth. And this one person, Elizabeth Prophet,
Speaker 2: was their spokesperson.
Speaker 1: No one else could do. They're always the same or so, guys,
Speaker 1: it's me or Ulbert actually called himself source I remember, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty wild. Yeah he did, he did. Joe we are
Speaker 1: at the fifty minute mark. If anybody has any questions,
Speaker 1: put him in the chat. I'll see if I can
Speaker 1: go through and find something.
Speaker 2: Why don't you find one or two? Because I do
Speaker 2: have to go heart you have a heart stop for me.
Speaker 1: Sorry, thanks for working around my schedule. Let's see. I
Speaker 1: wonder if the LDS Church and all authorities, mister Dan
Speaker 1: and Armagudon, maybe they believe in armageddon. This whole concept
Speaker 1: of armageddon is around. There's no question. See anybody have
Speaker 1: any questions, great stream, Thanks eucle tud Thanks everybody for
Speaker 1: listening on short notice. And if anybody has any questions,
Speaker 1: put it out here. Nick Land and Jarvignat they both
Speaker 1: go together. These are guys who believe in this. They
Speaker 1: also think this aggregation of power, but they never see
Speaker 1: They never provide a way out, like how does this
Speaker 1: power stop or disperse? That's one of the giveaways is
Speaker 1: like they're never saying, oh, well, you can intrograte this
Speaker 1: power and then give it away for free. It never
Speaker 1: works out like that. There's very few incidences in history
Speaker 1: where people give away power they usually used to be
Speaker 1: they would die or something like that, like Washington quitting
Speaker 1: his job after eight years was very unique. That was unique.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's set a precedent which we hopefully can
Speaker 2: continue to do, unlike happening in Hungary and Russia and
Speaker 2: other places.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, YouTube is saying ten people watching, but I'm
Speaker 1: seeing two on fifty overall platforms. That's that's what you
Speaker 1: don't get, spam hunter. These comments come from three YouTube
Speaker 1: channels Rumble, Twitter, Acts, Rock Finn and they're coming in.
Speaker 1: So you may only see ten people on one YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: I don't know which one of my YouTube channels I made.
Speaker 1: I was really dumb when I when they started censoring
Speaker 1: me because I would just start a new YouTube channel
Speaker 1: and that they cancel that. There's actually another YouTube channel
Speaker 1: of mine out there that they had not giving back
Speaker 1: to me. So yeah, Dystopinc sixty seven on her YouTube channel.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on Gerard's book on scapegoating, Uh, Joe.
Speaker 2: I haven't read it, so I read about it, but
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 1: Do you know about it? Maybe I could cut in
Speaker 1: on that. I don't know much. I've heard it in
Speaker 1: a different instances. Gerard seems to be a philosopher, French philosopher.
Speaker 1: People are going back to but I remember it's kind
Speaker 1: of concepts on the counter initiation, so kind of coming
Speaker 1: out of certain enchantments of people and things like that.
Speaker 2: Okay, there was something I printed out just the reference,
Speaker 2: but from this essay on Peter Theo from Wired, and
Speaker 2: it said for some Girardi is this was a breaking point.
Speaker 2: The memetic theorist Bernard Perree Lambast advanced his billionaire mentor
Speaker 2: in a French political journal, accusing them of casting a
Speaker 2: shadow over.
Speaker 1: Lost Joe. He seems to have come up. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: me on my side. But no, there you go, you're back.
Speaker 1: Maybe a good way to end. Do you remember do
Speaker 1: you have that witt Stein quote that you said in
Speaker 1: the field thing? Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Only I looked at Vixen Side, one of my favorite philosophers.
Speaker 2: He was kind of a contrarian in some ways. But
Speaker 2: you know he also uh privately maintained his Catholic religious faith,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't something he dealt with philosophically. He said
Speaker 2: that philosophy is a battle against the bewitchment of our
Speaker 2: intelligence by means of our language. So we can get caught.
Speaker 1: Up in our own words.
Speaker 2: They can become an echo chamber you know, we keep
Speaker 2: hearing the same words and totalistic societies, and Robert Lifton
Speaker 2: called it loading the language. If you load the language
Speaker 2: of a culture, you can actually bend the way they think.
Speaker 1: So, uh, it's Erwellian rights speaking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's basically what it was often called it
Speaker 2: loading the language. But but but yeah, so vickensign's good
Speaker 2: to look at in terms of that, and his idea
Speaker 2: of philosophy was just the way to to break down
Speaker 2: what some people said here the word magic, you know,
Speaker 2: the magical spell that words can cast over us. Vickenstein
Speaker 2: always attacked that and and try to find a way
Speaker 2: to break that apart.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: So we see a lot of these word games going
Speaker 2: on around deal and and that that we are a
Speaker 2: crowd of billionaires that are influencing government in the world
Speaker 2: through Trump at this point. Uh yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 2: little alarming, but it's America and things can change, you know,
Speaker 2: people do sometimes wake up and bothe these guys out.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is Joe's channel. If you're watching this,
Speaker 1: so check it out. I'll put a link in the
Speaker 1: show notes you can go see these waves. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: the wave is the name of the movie Rights. It's
Speaker 1: called The Wave.
Speaker 2: It came out nineteen sixty seven and it was based
Speaker 2: on a classroom experiment out in pallow out to California.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hit the like guys hit like on any
Speaker 1: YouTube channel there. Lily says, you can find the truth
Speaker 1: through language. Also use myths as code words you have
Speaker 1: to do. And I think that some of these things
Speaker 1: that Teal's talking about is like the power of search
Speaker 1: and myths and things like that, or his his view
Speaker 1: of armagedd and Antichriser somewhat meant they're not tied in
Speaker 1: Christian theology in my opinion. But we had two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty live listeners. Check it out. Joe, where can
Speaker 1: people find you other than your YouTube channel and your book?
Speaker 2: Well, I have email. They can look that up. It's
Speaker 2: Jasim hard at gmail dot com. And you know I
Speaker 2: tend to answer people with a email me, so that's
Speaker 2: one way to find me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And you have a lot of videos. You put
Speaker 1: a lot of material. I have a lot of videos.
Speaker 2: You have a lot of different over one hundred by
Speaker 2: now a different topics.
Speaker 1: Including this one. Yeah, so go check it out. Put
Speaker 1: a link to that. And again it's Joe Zimmart s
Speaker 1: Z I M H A R T. So check that out.
Speaker 1: You can just dipe it into YouTube. And today we
Speaker 1: talked about the concept of Peter Teal's anti christ. I
Speaker 1: think these subjects and the importance of them is not
Speaker 1: going away. So I think it's important to watch these guys.
Speaker 1: And they're all kind of they have their own philosophies.
Speaker 1: They're just they're so impactful. It's important to see like
Speaker 1: where they're going, guys like deals. So is there anything
Speaker 1: else you'd like to add? I know, you got a run.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got it going in a about thirty seconds here. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we can we can follow up on this, Okay, great,
Speaker 2: Maybe be a little more specific because this is like
Speaker 2: a broad general topic about Deal. And the thing is
Speaker 2: he's he's changing a bit too. I don't know if
Speaker 2: he's going to get out of this this bubble he's in.
Speaker 2: You know, he's he's caught up in himself because so powerful, which.
Speaker 1: Happens to wealthy people, sure does. And people check out
Speaker 1: our other interviews. We covered a course in Miracles Lewis
Speaker 1: and Jollian West, and also Joe's writing about becoming a
Speaker 1: cult interventionist and all his involvement and stuff like that
Speaker 1: really great book Santa fe bil tating me How an
Speaker 1: artist became a cult interventionist. And again the guest is
Speaker 1: Joseph Simmart. Joe. Thanks until next time. Thanks so much,
Speaker 1: appreciate you