1 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,679 Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to this week in the Atlantic Coast Conference, 2 00:00:20,359 --> 00:00:23,960 the podcast for All Sports Discussion dot com. This is 3 00:00:24,039 --> 00:00:28,160 Jeff and you can follow me on Twitter or x 4 00:00:28,359 --> 00:00:32,840 at Hawkin' a c C sports. That's at t A 5 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,600 l k I N A c C S P O 6 00:00:36,799 --> 00:00:40,399 r T S. Your podcast moderator is Matthew and you 7 00:00:40,439 --> 00:00:43,399 can follow him on Twitter at All Sports d a 8 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:47,320 c C. That's at A L L S P O 9 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,840 r T S d A c C. I'm going to 10 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,159 turn it over to Matthew now as he introduces our guest, 11 00:00:55,399 --> 00:01:00,280 and we're all good to speak with. Awesome man. This 12 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:00,960 is Matthew. 13 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,079 Speaker 2: You can follow me on Twitter, as Jeff said, at 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,680 at All Sports dACC. This is the longest running independent 15 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:13,760 ACC podcast in the United States. And I am basically 16 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,040 doing this on site in Toronto right now, where they 17 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:22,519 basically have ALCS fever here they are. They are amped 18 00:01:22,599 --> 00:01:24,920 up for their Blue Jays here in Toronto. I mean, 19 00:01:25,439 --> 00:01:28,040 it's it's pretty it's pretty crazy right here right now. 20 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,879 I feel like the entire country is watching the World 21 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,200 Series and that's that's pretty It's pretty pretty wild. Here 22 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,599 to be for that, pretty wild, here to be here 23 00:01:37,599 --> 00:01:40,760 for that happy Thanksgiving to all of my Canadian friends 24 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,760 too as I visit here in Toronto. Thanksgiving is tomorrow 25 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:47,840 in Toronto and Toronto, so along with Thanksgiving and the 26 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,920 Blue Jays they're having they're having a hell of a 27 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,719 ride here in Toronto right now. So tonight we have 28 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:54,840 a great return. 29 00:01:54,959 --> 00:01:55,239 Speaker 1: Guest. 30 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 2: He was on earlier this season the preview the University 31 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:02,840 of Miami football with US. It's Carlospaneda, formerly of Southern 32 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,159 Pigskin dot com. He's on exit at Carlos F. 33 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: Paneda. 34 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,479 Speaker 2: That's at c A R L O S F P 35 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:16,240 I N E DA. He joins us to review ACC 36 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:20,960 football Week seven, preview ACC football Week eight, look at 37 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:23,439 National college football, and we'll have a couple of open 38 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:27,960 microphone segments here too. So Carlos, welcome back. Tell us 39 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,599 about yourself, anything that you want to plug. We always 40 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,080 plug you as our Miami football expert. And I think 41 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,439 at this point, I mean I can just say this myself. 42 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Mario Christobaal is pulling ACC mid season ACC Coach of 43 00:02:41,319 --> 00:02:43,960 the Year honors. Thank you for joining us on this 44 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Sunday evening. 45 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me. Always appreciate it. Always 46 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:52,919 a fun time and if you want to. Aside from 47 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,719 following me on Twitter slash X still hard to say 48 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,000 just x it's weird, but you can follow my Instagram. 49 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,840 I'm sports photography page. I'm usually taking pictures from all 50 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,280 the Miami Hurricane football games on the sideline. 51 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:09,199 Speaker 4: You can follow that at CFP images and. 52 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: That's trusually where I post all of my game footage 53 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:17,960 from the Miami Hurricane home games. But to your point, yeah, 54 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:20,280 I would think so. Number two ranked team in the 55 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:25,960 country right now. Just huge wins to start the season 56 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:32,080 over rivals Notre Dame, Florida, Florida State also wins against Bethune, 57 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:37,159 Cookman and South Florida. So basically, with the exception of 58 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,560 not playing UCF or FAU and FIU, a strong case 59 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,560 for state champions in the state of Florida, and that 60 00:03:45,599 --> 00:03:49,479 goes a long way in recruiting, especially with all of 61 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,439 the kids that play down here in Florida. Whenever you 62 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:55,199 can beat Florida and Florida State in the same season, 63 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,919 that's incredible. And then you add NERD into that, that 64 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,800 adds a lot of hype or the Hurricanes, especially what 65 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:06,000 Mario Cristobal is doing down in Coral Gables. It's pretty 66 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:09,599 impressive just to see how this team is playing this season. 67 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:14,479 Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, we're certainly on board with that. So as 68 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:20,240 we look at this past week, Carlos, which ACC football 69 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,199 team do you think was the most disappointing in Week seven? 70 00:04:24,319 --> 00:04:27,040 We think there probably is a neighbor in Florida that 71 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,759 you might be talking about there and who was the 72 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,680 most impressive ACC team. 73 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: Of the week. 74 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 3: The Flora's here his friend, Like you said, I think 75 00:04:36,959 --> 00:04:40,439 Florida State. You know they needed to have a bounce 76 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,360 back game. You're playing at home. You just played a 77 00:04:44,399 --> 00:04:49,439 game against Miami on national television prime time the week before. 78 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,639 Game was electric until Miami really took over the game 79 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,279 and you saw how dominant they were. Fs She was 80 00:04:56,319 --> 00:05:00,839 able to make the comeback in the fourth quarter, and 81 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,439 this was a game they needed to have. Then you 82 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:08,279 lose to Virginia on the road in an upset the 83 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,279 week before playing your rival, and then losing to Miami. 84 00:05:12,439 --> 00:05:17,639 You really needed to show up against Pitt And it's 85 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,800 the the pressures get getting a little hot up in 86 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,399 Tallahassee because a lot of the fan base is just 87 00:05:25,519 --> 00:05:31,639 over over what's going on with Mike Norvell. It's the 88 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,079 temperature is rising. And as you see what happened in 89 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:39,480 Penn State today with James Franklin, people are asking the question, 90 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:43,199 when is it Norvelle time to release him? And I 91 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,560 just had this conversation with a friend earlier today and 92 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,439 I'm like, if they collapse the rest of this season, 93 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,360 then I can see it happening. But I think he 94 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:58,519 still has a little bit of time. You know, you 95 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:01,639 got to get these wins. Next week they play against Stanford, 96 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:04,720 which you need that win or else I think he 97 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,759 might be on the chopping block, but you really need 98 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,000 to show that. You know, these losses were close score wise. 99 00:06:11,199 --> 00:06:15,160 The Pit game three point loss Miami that was a blowout. 100 00:06:15,319 --> 00:06:19,839 Miami traded basically traded time for FSU to mount a 101 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,040 little bit of a comeback. And the Virginia game was 102 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,279 another close one. So they really need to show up 103 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,519 against Stanford next weekend or else it's going to get 104 00:06:30,879 --> 00:06:32,800 really ugly. And Tyl hassee and the fans are not 105 00:06:32,959 --> 00:06:35,360 happy with the fact that they've now lost three in 106 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:39,680 a row, especially three conference games, which is the key there. 107 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,399 That doesn't help in the standings. And you know, this 108 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:46,399 was supposed to be a big year for them. You 109 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:49,319 beat Alabama first game of the season, we see how 110 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,199 Alabama has played since and how good they look. 111 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 4: And now the. 112 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,079 Speaker 3: Question mark is what's going on with Florida State. What's 113 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:00,600 going on with this team and do they have the 114 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:07,600 resilience to bounce back, because you know, can Norvell get 115 00:07:07,639 --> 00:07:11,000 the guys motivated again and ready to get up for 116 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,680 this next game. That's gonna be the big question heading 117 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,279 into the next week is whether they can get up 118 00:07:17,279 --> 00:07:20,000 for this game and get up to playing for Norvell 119 00:07:20,839 --> 00:07:21,560 against Stanford. 120 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,319 Speaker 2: And on your on the other side of the coin, 121 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,040 who who is the who is your most impressive ACC 122 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,160 football team of the week? 123 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: You know that's that's I gotta say. 124 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:35,839 Speaker 3: I was impressed with with Georgia Tech. It's just every 125 00:07:35,839 --> 00:07:39,920 week they you know, Miami's lucky. I think that they're 126 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,199 not playing Georgia Tech is. They've been a thorn in 127 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,240 Miamis side for the past few years. But Georgia Tech 128 00:07:46,319 --> 00:07:49,560 is just they keep winning. It's it's really amazing to 129 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,879 see what they're doing, you know, beating Virginia Tech. I 130 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:55,879 know Virginia Tech is not having a very good year, 131 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,920 but it's just their consistency I mean, the fact that 132 00:07:59,639 --> 00:08:03,040 they're tied with Virginia and Duke right now three and 133 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:07,279 oh in the Conference six and oh undefeated. It's you know, 134 00:08:07,319 --> 00:08:09,439 it's It's one of those things where I wasn't expecting 135 00:08:09,439 --> 00:08:11,920 Georgia Tech to be as good as they are, and 136 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:15,279 they're just consistently improving and showing how good of a 137 00:08:15,319 --> 00:08:17,040 team they are. A couple of weeks ago, you know, 138 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,519 they had that scare against White Forest, but they find 139 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,360 ways to win these games. So that's really impressive just 140 00:08:23,399 --> 00:08:25,360 to see that. You know, they're they're continuing to get 141 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,319 better as the season goes. 142 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:29,439 Speaker 2: I'm with you, and it would have been easy for 143 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:34,279 me to see Georgia Tech slip up a little against 144 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,840 slip up against a little against Virginia Tech, only because 145 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:41,639 they've had a little difficulty with rush defense in their 146 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,159 last few games, and that's actually been one of the 147 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,759 Virginia Tech's strengths strengths. But they they just after a while, 148 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:52,279 Georgia Tech's I think depth kind of wear down Virginia Tech, right, 149 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,399 I mean, because Virginia Virginia Tech is obviously in a 150 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:58,679 transition stage. If you recall, I know you remember this, 151 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:03,960 Carlos I should that. I thought that both both Virginia 152 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,399 Tech and Virginia would have interim coaches in the Commonwealth 153 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,080 Cup game, and I'm half right so far. I think 154 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,200 I'm probably gonna be half wrong. I think because that 155 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,279 Tony la it seems to be having a pretty good 156 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,720 year at Virginia, but it's after you know, it's easy 157 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:21,039 for easy to slip up like that, and I thought 158 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:23,120 that that's a good call for a good call from you. 159 00:09:23,639 --> 00:09:26,279 Georgia Technee, it's easy to slip up, but they keep 160 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,279 winning those games even when it's not looking looking so great. 161 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,000 So anyway, Jeff friend, you are up. 162 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:42,519 Speaker 1: Right. Thank you, Matthew. All right, Carlos, which ACC football 163 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,399 game are you looking forward to the most in Week eight? 164 00:09:47,639 --> 00:09:53,279 Speaker 3: Aside from Louisville against Miami. I I'm excited to see Georgia. 165 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 4: Tech and Duke. 166 00:09:54,039 --> 00:09:57,519 Speaker 3: That's a game where, like I said before, you know, 167 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,759 those are two teams that are undefeated in the conference 168 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:03,919 and with no divisions. You know, it's the two best 169 00:10:03,919 --> 00:10:06,720 teams that meet up in the a SEC Championship game. 170 00:10:06,799 --> 00:10:11,600 So that game itself is gonna one of these teams 171 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,440 is gonna have one loss in the conference. So that's 172 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:18,279 a huge game and possibly the inside track to one 173 00:10:18,279 --> 00:10:22,000 of the two spots when it's all you know, as 174 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,440 we got closer to the end of the season and 175 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,600 the race for who's going to Charlotte. So that'll be 176 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,279 an interesting game to keep an eye on. Is Georgia 177 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Tech and Duke And yeah, I'm excited to see, you 178 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,039 know who who can get the advantage there with both 179 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:39,639 teams being three to zero in the ACC. 180 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,639 Speaker 1: All right, yeah, and I'll have a particular eye on 181 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:50,320 on that one. Myself is a Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech guy, 182 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,000 and you know, when you look at that game, I mean, 183 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,559 Duke is not is not sneaking up on anyone. I 184 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,559 don't think anyone can even suggest that that's like a 185 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,679 trap game for Georgia Tech, because Duke is actually favored 186 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,519 in that game. I just looked at the line. They're 187 00:11:06,519 --> 00:11:12,519 favored by two and a half, So you may can 188 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:16,919 argue that. When we asked this next question, which ACC 189 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,039 team could be on upset alert in week eight if 190 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:22,120 they're looking ahead to a game on their schedule or 191 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,720 sleepwalking on the field, it could be, strangely enough, Georgia 192 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:32,360 Tech looking to pull down Jeff Hey, I don't make 193 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:37,519 the rules. I don't make the rules. Vegas has made 194 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:41,799 Duke has made favorite Ducas. I mean, Vegas has made 195 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:43,639 Duke the favorite in that game. 196 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 4: I mean two and a half points. Yeah. 197 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: But just the fact that we're, you know, weeks removed 198 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,799 from Duke losing against Tulane. I remember a lot of 199 00:11:53,799 --> 00:11:59,240 people were talking about many dias and it's like, you know, 200 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,879 can he get it done at Duke after they lost 201 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:04,879 to Tulane. And it's been it's been an impressive run 202 00:12:04,919 --> 00:12:07,120 so far. Like they were able to bounce back, you know, 203 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,320 after losing to Illinois Tulane and now you've got wins 204 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,919 against UNC State, Syracuse Cal. They've done a pretty good 205 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:16,639 job to bounce back from those two early season losses. 206 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:21,080 And it's at Duke. You know, strange, strange things have 207 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,519 happened at Duke a couple of years ago. They upset 208 00:12:23,519 --> 00:12:26,559 Clemson first game of the season. So it's it's one 209 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,639 of those things where just because they're not ranked doesn't 210 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,399 mean it's a it's an easy game for Georgia Tech. 211 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: Yes, that's definitely true, Carlos. And the other game you 212 00:12:41,039 --> 00:12:45,600 know I'm looking at, you know, as possible, you know, 213 00:12:45,799 --> 00:12:51,360 upset as SMU at Clemson. You know, Clemson here is 214 00:12:51,399 --> 00:12:54,200 a nine and a half point favorite in this game, 215 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:59,080 and I think Clemson is kind of in between, you know, 216 00:12:59,399 --> 00:13:03,080 between starting to play better in looking like the team 217 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:08,840 many thought they would be in the preseason and what 218 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:13,279 we're looking at and saying, is this really a function 219 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,879 of Clemson getting better or is it a function of 220 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:18,919 the opponents they played, because they you know, they handle 221 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,360 their business. They played North Carolina and Boston College on 222 00:13:22,399 --> 00:13:25,480 the road and the games were over, you know, twenty 223 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,440 minutes into the game. But those are awful, awful football teams. 224 00:13:29,639 --> 00:13:33,120 I think the train wreck at at North Carolina is 225 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:37,559 well documented. You know, they're just they're just a national 226 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,320 laughing stock on the field and off. You know, Boston 227 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,919 College is a team that's really struggling. You know, they 228 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:50,320 started the season losing an overtime earlier in the season 229 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,519 against Michigan State, and you thought, well, maybe they're not 230 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,279 too bad, and they've just kind of fallen off a cliff. 231 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,600 You know, if Clemson is the preseason version or the 232 00:14:00,639 --> 00:14:03,919 team they're starting to look like, you know, they'll take 233 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,559 care of s MU. But SMU is A is a 234 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,720 dangerous enough opponent, especially on offense. You know that that 235 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:15,879 if Clemson thinks they maybe completely turned the corner while 236 00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:19,120 not have facing either very good opponent, you know that 237 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,360 that could be a game that could certainly be a 238 00:14:21,399 --> 00:14:25,960 lot closer than you know, that spread. And you know, 239 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,279 I don't really expect this other one I'm looking at 240 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,799 here Florida State and Stanford. I mean, I really do 241 00:14:30,879 --> 00:14:36,039 expect Florida State to win that game. But you got 242 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,480 to wonder where their head's at at this point. I mean, 243 00:14:39,759 --> 00:14:42,240 we know what happened last year. You know, they lost 244 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:43,840 a couple of games in a row, and you're like, 245 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,759 you know, at some point they're going to start playing, 246 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:52,519 you know better, and it just never came. And if 247 00:14:52,519 --> 00:14:55,360 their heads, if they're in the wrong head space. And 248 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,080 I think you made a good point talking about James Franklin. 249 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,519 I mean, you know, after losing to UCLA, you know 250 00:15:02,559 --> 00:15:05,000 that was the upset loss. They come back and they 251 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:08,360 lose to Northwestern and the season is a disaster. I mean, 252 00:15:08,399 --> 00:15:12,120 if Northwestern can beat Penn State as a twenty point underdog, 253 00:15:12,919 --> 00:15:15,639 twenty plus point underdog, then it's not out of the 254 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:19,840 question of Florida State going out West as an eighteen 255 00:15:19,879 --> 00:15:23,000 point favorite and being in a much closer game than 256 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,120 anyone is expecting. 257 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 3: Right, and you hit it like you hit the nail 258 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:32,039 on the head. It's will they show? Will they bounce back? 259 00:15:32,399 --> 00:15:35,519 On paper? I don't see how they would lose to Stanford, Like, 260 00:15:35,799 --> 00:15:38,879 there's a much better team than Stanford. They got a 261 00:15:38,919 --> 00:15:43,759 really talented quarterback. But where's their headspace at? Because like 262 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:47,159 you mentioned last season, you know, they started off rough 263 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:52,080 with that three game losing streak, and then they had 264 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,360 a run where they lost to SMU, Clemson, Duke, Miami, 265 00:15:56,519 --> 00:16:01,159 North Carolina got smoked by Notre Dame, and you were wondering, 266 00:16:01,159 --> 00:16:03,799 like are they going to win another game? And fortunately 267 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:08,080 they were able to beat Charleston Southern. But it makes 268 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,639 you wonder like and that's why I said earlier, like 269 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,559 this is such an important game for not only Mike Norvell, 270 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:17,600 but for the for all those players on the team, 271 00:16:17,679 --> 00:16:20,120 like are they going to show up or are they done? 272 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,720 Are they checking out early? And again it goes back 273 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:27,240 back to the situation with Penn State. You know they 274 00:16:27,279 --> 00:16:31,919 lost to Oregon. Okay, that's a top game right there. 275 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,120 You know that was top five, you know, top ten matchup, 276 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:35,960 that's a huge game. 277 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:37,919 Speaker 4: But then the. 278 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:42,039 Speaker 3: Ucla game was just you were like, what's going on here? 279 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,559 How is UCLA a team that just fired their coach 280 00:16:44,559 --> 00:16:48,159 a couple of weeks ago and was losing games they 281 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:50,679 had no business losing? How did were they able to 282 00:16:50,799 --> 00:16:54,080 do this? And then you mentioned Northwestern that was just 283 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:56,840 you know, it seemed like the players just quit. And 284 00:16:58,279 --> 00:17:01,080 that's the million dollar question when it comes to Florida State, 285 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,079 like are they gonna they're gonna make this cross country 286 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:09,200 trip all the way to California and are they going 287 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:09,680 to show up? 288 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:11,279 Speaker 4: Are they going to show up for their coach? Or 289 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:12,519 are they? Are they done? 290 00:17:12,799 --> 00:17:16,759 Speaker 3: Can he get them motivated to play this game? Because again, 291 00:17:16,839 --> 00:17:20,359 on paper, they should win this game. They have they 292 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,559 have no business losing the Stanford But that's that's on paper. 293 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,799 Whether or not they show up on the field, that's 294 00:17:25,799 --> 00:17:29,599 a whole different story. And with s m U and Clemson, 295 00:17:31,279 --> 00:17:32,960 that's you know, that's gonna be that's a tough one 296 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,759 for Dabu. You know you're playing, you know you're at home, 297 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,119 but which which Clemson side is going to show up? 298 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,880 Is it the one that's been playing really well against 299 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:46,640 two terrible teams in North Carolina and Boston College or 300 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,720 is it gonna be you know, the team that struggled 301 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,640 early in the season. So because you're right, they are 302 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:56,200 turning the corner with those were two wins that they 303 00:17:56,279 --> 00:18:01,720 played like Clemson should play. They took control, they don't dominated. 304 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,119 Last week against North Carolina, they forced the student section. 305 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 1: To leave. 306 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 3: After the first quarter, like they all left because it 307 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,480 was such a dreadful game to be watching. So it 308 00:18:13,599 --> 00:18:17,160 is interesting because s MU is a very good team 309 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:22,519 and r at Lashley offensive guru. They you know, they 310 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:25,000 could be that team that goes to death Alli and 311 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,279 steals a win. So I'm just curious myself what Dabbo 312 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:32,200 and Clemson you know, how how they show up for 313 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:32,680 that game. 314 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: Yep, definitely Carlos good stuff there. Let's step out of 315 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,480 the ACC for a bit. Uh, Which national FBS game 316 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:49,799 are you looking forward to the most in Week eight? 317 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,440 And we're wide open with this question. This can be 318 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,440 a power for G five. You can even have an 319 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:58,839 FCS matchup and then give us the winner of that 320 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,200 game or two. And this week there are plenty quality 321 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:03,839 matchups nationally. 322 00:19:06,279 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: There are I mean, there's a bunch of top top twenty, 323 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:16,720 top ten matchups. I'm interested to see Ole Miss in Georgia. 324 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:24,799 I mean Georgia beating Auburn yesterday. A lot of a 325 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:29,519 lot of anger at the officiating crew last night in 326 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:32,279 regards to Auburn because they weren't getting they weren't getting 327 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,599 some they weren't getting some calls and a few controversial calls. 328 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:43,160 The touchdown that wasn't a touchdown, the Kirby smart you know, 329 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,440 going off that he didn't call a time out, but 330 00:19:46,519 --> 00:19:48,319 you know they thought he'd call the time out, and 331 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:51,119 then they said he didn't call a time out. So 332 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:54,480 I want to see how Ole Miss does against Georgia. 333 00:19:54,559 --> 00:19:59,680 That's that's such a good compelling matchup. I was also 334 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,799 looking that Oklahoma South Carolina. I want to see how 335 00:20:03,839 --> 00:20:08,200 Oklahoma responds because you know, losing to your big rival, 336 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,319 first loss of the season, how that happens. And then. 337 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,519 Speaker 4: For for some reason. 338 00:20:14,319 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 3: Uh the I want to see Michigan and Washington. I 339 00:20:18,039 --> 00:20:21,279 just want to see how Michigan responds after going to 340 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:25,640 Los Angeles and how they played against USC, how they 341 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,519 respond when Washington comes to visit and plays them, So 342 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:30,920 that those are a few of the ones that I'm 343 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:31,440 looking at. 344 00:20:36,519 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, those, I love those choices there, Carlos. In one 345 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:49,160 game I'm looking at is is Utah and BYU. You know, 346 00:20:49,519 --> 00:20:54,279 top twenty five match up there, you know, rivalry game. 347 00:20:54,519 --> 00:20:56,839 I think game Honestly, I think Game Day should have 348 00:20:56,839 --> 00:21:00,680 went there, but you know, game days not allowed to 349 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,480 go anywhere but at SEC Stadium or a top ten 350 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:10,079 Big ten opponent apparently this season, but I think they 351 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,359 went to Athens again. Yeah, maybe I'll leave that for 352 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,680 the open mic. But anyways, I'm also looking at the 353 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:19,440 Utah BYU game and I think, Matthew, you've got something 354 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,400 you want to add there. 355 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I actually think it's possible that Vanderbilt 356 00:21:24,559 --> 00:21:30,079 will beat LSU. I'm actually dead serious about that, And 357 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:35,799 just seeing Brian Kelly what his facial expressions alone would 358 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:37,400 be worth it for me to take the time to 359 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:37,759 watch that. 360 00:21:39,279 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: And also I forgot that USC is playing Notre Dame, 361 00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:45,079 so that's another one, you know, one of those great 362 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,680 cross country rivalry games. 363 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 4: Also. 364 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right, Matthew. I wouldn't 365 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,160 be surprised at all if Vanderbilt knocks off LSU. You 366 00:22:01,519 --> 00:22:05,039 I think LSU got a lot of traction from that 367 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,839 early win over Clemson, which which which is now has 368 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:14,079 turned out to be overvalued, and and I think LSU 369 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,960 has been exposed quite a bit. I mean, they were 370 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,400 in a struggle with South Carolina, and I definitely don't 371 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,960 think it wouldn't really be a surprise at all if 372 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,200 Vanderbilt uh knocks them off. I mean, Vanderbilt is a 373 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:36,160 quality football team. That's that's for sure. All Right, Carlos, 374 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,599 this is our first open mic segment as we start 375 00:22:41,599 --> 00:22:45,640 to close out our podcast. This this one's only for you. 376 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,000 Whatever you got, whatever you want to talk about. If 377 00:22:49,039 --> 00:22:52,039 you want a deep dive on Miami, go forward. If 378 00:22:52,039 --> 00:22:55,279 there's another topic you want to hit, the floor is 379 00:22:55,319 --> 00:22:55,920 all yours. 380 00:22:57,519 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was gonna say with you know, we 381 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:06,480 always talk about Miami, and the the biggest question that 382 00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:09,119 always pops up is the U back. You know, is 383 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,039 Miami back? And you know, you look at I'm looking 384 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:19,559 at the schedule and having already played and beaten Notre Dame, 385 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:23,960 Florida and Florida State. You look at Louisville's one of 386 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,680 those teams that could challenge Miami. I'm looking at the 387 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,559 game on November first at SMU as another one of 388 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:36,960 those challenging games. And then because they have Syracuse and 389 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:39,319 NC State at home, they play at Virginia Tech, which 390 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,559 that should be you know, a win. It's the game 391 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:47,279 at pit you know, Thanksgiving weekend. Crazy things always happen, 392 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:51,000 you know, that last week of the season. So that's 393 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,319 one of those three games where it's like, if Miami 394 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,079 can handle business like they've been doing all season long, 395 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,160 you know they're they're going to be in great position 396 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,720 for not only playing for the a SEC championship, but 397 00:24:05,799 --> 00:24:09,559 a slot in the playoffs. And you know, it's one 398 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:13,960 of those Miami always has, you know, in recent years, 399 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,599 always has a great first half of the season, but 400 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,680 then crazy things happened, you know, last year, the losses 401 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,279 to Georgia Tech, the loss to Syracuse. 402 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 4: This team is. 403 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,880 Speaker 3: Much better, much much more well rounded. You know, having 404 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,680 seen them live in person, It's been a long long 405 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,039 time since I've seen this type of Miami team. You know, 406 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:47,079 amazing offense, great running game, a really great receivers, which 407 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,680 is the huge change from last ye because last year 408 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,039 you had cam Ward who could do all these things, 409 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,279 but I don't think he had the quality of a 410 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,519 receiver group like this year's group, as we've seen in 411 00:25:01,079 --> 00:25:05,640 those games where they made FSU secondary look like you know, 412 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,559 they were a JV team. So and the defense, I 413 00:25:09,599 --> 00:25:11,960 mean that was one issue they had last season. They 414 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,480 get a new defensive coordinator and it's just incredible to 415 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,559 see like the size and. 416 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:22,279 Speaker 4: The speed, and it's you know, if. 417 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:26,079 Speaker 3: They can play their brand of football, if they can 418 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,599 stay consistent. Because one of those things that we see 419 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,839 all the time, and one of the one great point 420 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,839 is Oregon losing to Indiana at home a couple of 421 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,880 weeks after they beat Penn State in Happy Valley, which 422 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,960 was a huge win, is can you stay consistent? Can 423 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000 you stay in the middle, not too high, not too low. 424 00:25:48,039 --> 00:25:49,920 One thing you know I always think about with with 425 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,160 top programs like this is, as Nick Saban would say, 426 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:54,720 are you listening to the rat poison? 427 00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 4: Are you listening to all. 428 00:25:56,839 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 3: The praises that the fans are giving you, that the 429 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,839 media is giving you, that everybody's giving you, where like 430 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:05,480 you know, you lose focus because you're like, oh, we're 431 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,920 so good that you know, we don't have to worry. 432 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:14,359 It is can they stay consistent? Ken Chrystobal. Can that 433 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:19,920 staff keep them in check to allow them to not 434 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,319 only just finish undefeated, but make a run in the 435 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:26,480 playoffs because they had the talent. They're one of the 436 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,640 better teams in all of college football this season, But 437 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,960 it's can they can they keep it going? 438 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,079 Speaker 1: All right? Very good, Matthew. I'm going to turn it 439 00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,599 over to you for our last segment in. 440 00:26:44,599 --> 00:26:49,079 Speaker 2: The open microphone number two. I'm going to start this time. 441 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,279 I'm going to start this time. I know, Jeff, you 442 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,319 and I were talking about this last week and I 443 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,440 dropped a tweet on your timeline. But it's a week 444 00:26:57,519 --> 00:27:00,319 we we we this is why we love college fotball, 445 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,759 right because we I think last week you and I 446 00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,160 thought it would be kind of a pedestrian sort of 447 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,039 weekend and all hell broke lose this with this past weekend, 448 00:27:10,079 --> 00:27:14,160 right f you know, at Pittsburgh defeated FSU by three points. 449 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,960 I think we thought that that FSU might be under 450 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,400 upset alert because we didn't think their mental state might 451 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,680 be there for that game. But Oregon lost to Indiana. 452 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:25,480 I mean, Indiana went in there to Austin Stadium and 453 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,200 won by ten points. And I'm not sure, many very 454 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,880 many people had that and they dominated that game. Texas 455 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,039 beat I mean honestly dominated Oklahoma. I didn't expect a 456 00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:38,839 little bit old miss to lose by there, excuse me 457 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:42,960 to win by only three points to Washington State. Colorado 458 00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:47,440 defeated Iowa State by seven, and that's again, that's that 459 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,440 that was an upset, right, Georgia over Auburn with ten, 460 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,279 a ten point win. And you know, as from what 461 00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:55,400 I can tell, I was I missed this. I saw 462 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,119 your timeline, Jeff. Apparently Auburn got screwed out of a 463 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,440 touchdown on that game. And I think a lot of 464 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,759 people agreed with that. Right to Tennessee at Arkansas by three, 465 00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,000 LSU over South Carolina by by ten. 466 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a weekend that you yeah. 467 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: You really didn't think a whole lot would have would happen, 468 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,160 and all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose and 469 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,000 it's kind of crazy, and it's why we love, why 470 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:20,000 we love this resport. The other thing I want to 471 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,039 add here, and I'm kind of I'm just I'm kind 472 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:26,920 of done with this and Colorado should not be on 473 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:31,079 ESPN or ESPN two anymore for these great these these airtime, 474 00:28:31,519 --> 00:28:34,160 getting this a plus airtime. I mean, yes, we can 475 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,599 say that they're they have eyeballs because if the Deion 476 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,720 Sanders eyeballs on the TV sets. But I there's those 477 00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:44,000 there's prime time slots on ESPN and ESPN two have 478 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:47,640 to go to better teams than Colorado who Colorado who's 479 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,640 certainly probably not going to be Bowl eligible. And I'm 480 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,480 kind of burned. I'm kind of burnt out with that, 481 00:28:53,119 --> 00:28:55,599 and I think we need to be I think we 482 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,319 need to be over that. And so they're there, you go. 483 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,799 I usually don't rant are like that, rants hard like that, 484 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,079 but my rants on the buffs because I'm kind of 485 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,920 tired of that. There are more deserving teams and I'm talking. 486 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240 I'm talking about Duke here. I've been talking about Duke 487 00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,960 for a couple of weeks. Duke should have some of 488 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,599 those slots on ESPN or ESPN two. They should have 489 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,480 more of him. So that's my take here for tonight. 490 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:26,279 You're up with your open microphone, Carlos. 491 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: Kind of you know, you talk about what we love 492 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,400 about college football and the students that I think there 493 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,160 were students at Oklahoma State. The one guy that took 494 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,319 off a shirt and started waving it in the air, 495 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:44,079 and then that attracted one, two, and then it eventually 496 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:48,559 became the whole section with all these guys shirts off, 497 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,799 waving them in the air, and I'm just like, that's amazing, 498 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:57,200 Like that is why the sport is so special, Like 499 00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:59,759 that's why I could never compare to the NFL could 500 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,559 to that. Just it's stuff like that that makes it awesome. 501 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,599 And like you said, the upsets, Like I didn't have 502 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:12,079 Oregon losing. I didn't have you know, I thought Indiana, 503 00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:14,160 you know, they they showed me how good they are. 504 00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,119 I thought when they beat Illinois, I was like, Okay, 505 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,599 you know, maybe Illinois isn't as good as we thought. 506 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:24,680 And Indiana just you know, was able to just dominate 507 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,960 them and Illinois was bad. But now much respect to 508 00:30:28,079 --> 00:30:32,759 Indiana the Hoosiers, because that's huge to go to a 509 00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:35,279 place like Otsen. They call it the Outson Zoo for 510 00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,119 a reason, and to dominate the way they did to 511 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:42,319 win that game. That's awesome them because I don't think 512 00:30:42,359 --> 00:30:44,640 I was giving them much respect before, but now they've 513 00:30:44,759 --> 00:30:48,519 definitely shown how how good of a team they are. 514 00:30:48,559 --> 00:30:53,240 And you know, they they could really do some big 515 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,200 things this season, definitely. 516 00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 2: I mean, Kurt Signanty is kind of changing what's expected 517 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,680 from college football coaches. I think there's gonna be a 518 00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:04,240 lot of fans that think, oh, if he can do 519 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:09,160 it in Indiana, Ridge doesn't really have a major football 520 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,079 coach or a culture. I guess I probably that's probably 521 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,920 putting it mildly. There's gonna be fans that are making 522 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:18,400 going to have some expectations of the next team, that 523 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,400 a next coach that they need to hire for their team. 524 00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:24,759 So at A plus comments there, Carlos, what let me 525 00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:28,359 ask you some another I'm gonna ask you another question, dear, 526 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,440 and I'm gonna use it my open mic care and 527 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,839 to ask you another question, near and dear to my heart. 528 00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:41,519 There are so many coaching openings right now. Should Virginia 529 00:31:41,559 --> 00:31:45,599 Tech and maybe even NC State wait until next year 530 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,359 and hire an interim I'm kind of on the fence 531 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,480 about this. I kind of think you probably should do 532 00:31:51,559 --> 00:31:53,680 it now if you're in C State in Virginia Tech. 533 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,519 I mean they fired prior at Virginia Tech, of course, 534 00:31:56,599 --> 00:32:00,680 but there are so many coaching vacancy right now. I mean, 535 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,359 you guys heard about Penn State today, earlier. Today they're 536 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,880 just and you're probably gonna have Florida out. You're going 537 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,000 to start having there's there's a there's U c l 538 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,279 A out. You're gonna have a lot of vacancies. I'm wondering. 539 00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:15,000 I mean, I'm you know, there's only so many coaches available, 540 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,119 and I'm thinking that if you're maybe, if you're in 541 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,480 C state, you may have to make you maybe maybe 542 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,359 it would be good to wait another year and see 543 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:25,119 see how it works with Dave Dave Doreen. But I'm 544 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:26,960 on the fence here about Virginia Tech. What are your 545 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:27,480 thoughts on that? 546 00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:30,119 Speaker 4: Carlos h No, I agree. 547 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 3: I think with Virginia Tech, it's you got to make. 548 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 4: You have to make. 549 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 3: The smart right call this time because obviously you know 550 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,640 this past hired just it was a train wreck. At 551 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,559 no point did it work, and that sets you back 552 00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:53,680 a couple of seasons. So you really need to do 553 00:32:53,759 --> 00:32:59,400 your homework and find a guy that can work in Blacksburg, 554 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:04,279 can can make things happen, like Frank Biemer was able 555 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,799 to do for as long as he did when and 556 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,160 when he first got there, Like those are these are 557 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,519 the type of programs that you know Virginia Tech wasn't 558 00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:17,799 known for football, and then Frank Biemer made it an identity, 559 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,880 Like he created that program. They became one of those, 560 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,640 you know teams that was consistently ranked in the top ten, 561 00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:31,920 top fifteen major bowl games. And you know, he was, 562 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:36,359 you know, similarly to what Bobby Bowden did at Florida State. 563 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,240 You know, they created these programs at a at a nothing. 564 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:45,160 And it's unfortunate, you know when you see you know, 565 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,680 teams like this when they're down, because colleg football is 566 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,079 fun when Miami's good, when Florida State is good, when 567 00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,400 Florida is good, when Virginia Tech is good, it makes 568 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,480 it more fun. And you know, when these programs are 569 00:33:57,559 --> 00:34:02,920 down the way they've been lately, it just it just hurts. 570 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,200 I think it hurts college football. You want to have 571 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,400 these teams that our mainstays. You want to you want 572 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,880 them to be good and be in the conversation. And 573 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,079 I think NC State maybe maybe, I think I think 574 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,360 the Dave Dorn experiment just it hasn't you know, It's 575 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,480 it's just when do you pull the trigger like he 576 00:34:25,559 --> 00:34:28,480 should have. Just look look how they did against Notre 577 00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:32,920 Dame this past weekend. It's just that program had potential 578 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,800 and it just it's I don't know, I I think 579 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,079 you you might get rid of him. 580 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,159 Speaker 4: Now why why? Wait? 581 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,199 Speaker 3: What's going to change from this season to next season 582 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,440 when we've seen his body of work for the for 583 00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,400 his whole tenure in Raleigh. So I don't know what 584 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,320 one more season can do to fix it. I mean, 585 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,719 I guess in the world of n I l if 586 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:04,400 you have boosters with big pockets that can help bring 587 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,400 in the top players convince them to come to NC State, 588 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,800 that could be a difference. 589 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:12,599 Speaker 4: But we haven't seen that yet. 590 00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 3: So if if you're able to get someone with big 591 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,440 pockets to be able to lure a few of these 592 00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:24,360 top athletes, sure that can change everything. Just look at 593 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:30,480 what you know what Miami and Florida State just you know, 594 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,079 when they get a quarterback like that, how that changes 595 00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:38,119 the dynamics so fast. So if I would say you 596 00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:41,519 get rid of Dorian, But if you can get you know, 597 00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:45,559 these boosters to to really put in money to to 598 00:35:45,559 --> 00:35:47,719 get some players, maybe that changes things. But just the 599 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,239 way things have been going for the for a few 600 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,079 years now, it just it doesn't look like they're going 601 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:54,920 to be that type of contender. They're always going to 602 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,000 be one of those middle of the conference teams. They'll 603 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,000 get their wins, but then they'll also have those losses 604 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:04,280 that they shouldn't have. You know, it's funny because I 605 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,000 had a conversation with one of my cousins a couple 606 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,840 of weeks ago, because my biggest issue with my biggest 607 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,039 problem with how college football is is these coaches get 608 00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:20,239 these fat salaries, and if they show promise, like in 609 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,079 one season, the school is quick to re up their 610 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:29,199 contract because obviously, college football is a sport where you 611 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,840 look over your shoulder because you don't want to lose 612 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:32,760 your coach to another school. You don't want them to 613 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,920 be coached by someone else. So the moment they show 614 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,119 signs of progress, you you ink them up to a 615 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:42,639 big deal with a bigger buyout, and then when it's 616 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,280 time to fire them, these coaches are owed forty to 617 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,280 fifty sixty million dollars and that's just so much wasteful 618 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,639 spending because of the nature of the sport how it is. 619 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,119 You know, you have one good season and then boom, 620 00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:01,559 they they extend you for seven seasons and now you're 621 00:37:01,559 --> 00:37:05,400 making twelve fifteen million dollars. But then if you get fired, 622 00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,119 you know you're gonna get paid sixty million dollars. James Franklin. 623 00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,119 They were saying today his buyout was about forty three 624 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,719 forty four million. But what we were talking about was 625 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,159 like there should be incentives there where. All right, we're 626 00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:22,079 paying you ten million dollars a year, but the minute 627 00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,599 you lose four five games in a season, we should 628 00:37:25,599 --> 00:37:29,280 be able to take some money back. We should be 629 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:33,280 able to take you know, I don't know, like, okay, 630 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,199 say you you lose five games in a year for 631 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,599 a program that's usually nine in three, winning nine games 632 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:39,519 ten games a year, and you lose five, you know what, 633 00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:41,400 we should be able to take away five hundred thousand 634 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,559 dollars from your paycheck because you're underperforming. It's always one 635 00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:50,320 sided in favor of the coach. But it's always you know, 636 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,559 the schools that like have to pony up all this money, 637 00:37:56,199 --> 00:38:00,639 you know, all these TV deals. I think trev Albert 638 00:38:00,679 --> 00:38:02,079 said it best. You know, we don't have a we 639 00:38:02,119 --> 00:38:05,840 don't have we have a spending problem. And that's the 640 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,559 issue that I see with culture ball. It's always when 641 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:10,719 it's time to fire a coach because they're not doing well, 642 00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,719 a school has to write them a huge check. And 643 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,400 that's just that's always been a problem for me. 644 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,559 Speaker 2: Very good, Very good, Jeff. I'm going to ask you 645 00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,639 the same question before you transition to your open microphone. 646 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:27,360 Here's who's open right now. I'm trying to keep track 647 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,760 of all the jobs that are open. Penn State is open, 648 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:37,840 the Arkansas Razorbacks, Oklahoma State Cowboys, Stanford Cardinal, Virginia Tech, Hokies, 649 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:43,320 the UCLA Bruins, Oregon State Beavers, and UAB Blazers. I 650 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,559 think on that list, you could probably prove Virginia Tech 651 00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:49,360 at the fourth or fifth best job. Sometimes you can 652 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,400 argue with the third at least of those jobs that 653 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:56,639 are open. But you know, I'm wondering if you know, 654 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,599 I don't think Virginia Tech will wait to hire a coach. 655 00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,000 I think they probably will hire a coach, But I'm 656 00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:06,119 just throwing this out as a theory. Would it be 657 00:39:06,119 --> 00:39:09,159 better to wait another year to hire a coach if 658 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:13,360 you're Virginia Tech or NC State because it's it's I 659 00:39:13,519 --> 00:39:17,519 I just wonder about that because there's so much change 660 00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,480 in the sport right now, and that it may allow 661 00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:24,599 you to uh, you know, allow you to get a 662 00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:26,400 little more time to get your fund you know, your 663 00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,800 fundraising financial apparatus is ready for both of those schools 664 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,440 and that that sort of thing. And you know it's 665 00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:36,760 you know, you could go with an interim perhaps in 666 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:37,960 both spots, but I don't. 667 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,280 Speaker 1: I don't. 668 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,360 Speaker 2: That may not help recruiting. So that undercuts my argument 669 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,920 a little bit, but it it. I mean, and maybe 670 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,960 this is what world and I'm just rambling on, Jeff, 671 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,440 I mean, this is what the future looks like. Right 672 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,320 if people get you know, they get tired of not winning, 673 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:55,440 that you're you're, you're, you're gonna get a different coaches 674 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,639 because there's pressure to win. I mean, I mentioned that 675 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:01,239 earlier in the podcast about people those expectations are going 676 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,559 to be changed because of what Kirk Signetti. What Kurt 677 00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,599 Signetti has done it at Indiana has just been done 678 00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:12,239 a fabulous done a fabulous job. And you know, I'm 679 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,880 on the fence about whether you whether you would bring 680 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,159 in Bud Foster for a year before you hire r 681 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,840 or someone. I don't think you're going to do that. 682 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,960 I think that would put you behind, put you behind. 683 00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:26,000 But it's it's an interesting thought. That I heard somebody 684 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,880 say today on Twitter, because you start seeing all these 685 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:34,039 jobs open and you wonder where you're at in the 686 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:36,360 pecking order. And not to say that NC State and 687 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,079 Virginia Tech are bad jobs, they're pretty good jobs, right, 688 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:42,519 but but seeing how like what Carl has said, and 689 00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:45,599 you've got these buyouts that in Penn State has because 690 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,440 they're in the Big ten network and they've got a 691 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,719 big donor base, these buyouts seem not to be not 692 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,480 to be a problem if you're in the SEC or 693 00:40:53,559 --> 00:40:56,679 the Big ten. So I'm curious on your thoughts there, Jeff, 694 00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,440 because I think we. 695 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 4: May be moving into a world. 696 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,559 Speaker 2: We're moving into a world where you have lots of 697 00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:06,199 haves and have nots in terms of you know, resources 698 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,760 and things like that. And I'm just curious on your 699 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:13,320 thoughts there, Jeff. It's there's a lot. I realize you 700 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,679 have to add a lot of layers to that question, right, 701 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,480 There's a lot, a lot, a lot to pack in there. 702 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:21,039 And I'm curious on what you're. 703 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:29,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I I think and you actually already had 704 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,440 said it, Matthew. 705 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:33,559 Speaker 4: Hm. 706 00:41:34,519 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 1: I think if you're Virginia Tech and you've already you know, 707 00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:45,400 fired your coach. You know, with with with Montgomery, you 708 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,400 can see how the rest of the playoffs, I mean, sorry, 709 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,599 how the rest of the season plays out, because he 710 00:41:51,639 --> 00:41:55,760 could become one of your coaching uh candidate, you know, 711 00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,960 in the way like Brent Key and Dabo Sweeney uh did. 712 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:06,159 But if he's not going to be your coach, you know, 713 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,079 I think you have to you have to allow him 714 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:11,679 the opportunity to move on or you would have had 715 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:16,639 your third coach in less than twelve months if you're 716 00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:18,199 going to go that interim route. 717 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:18,880 Speaker 2: Uh. 718 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: So I think with Virginia Tech, and I definitely understand 719 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:27,440 your point about, you know, getting your resources right in 720 00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:31,119 the next cycle, but I think you put yourself in 721 00:42:31,159 --> 00:42:33,239 that position where you got it. You have to make 722 00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:38,880 that permanent, higher move and you know, with the with 723 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,360 that promise of extra money, I think you can probably 724 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,159 go a year before maybe they actually start showing up 725 00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:54,079 because you've already Virginia Tech's already committed to a huge increase. Yeah, 726 00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,400 and you never know what a coach might be, you know, 727 00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:59,840 what they may be looking for. 728 00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:00,559 Speaker 2: Uh. 729 00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: You know, you might have a coach who wants to 730 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,039 get you know, back into uh that region of the country, 731 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:11,159 or someone from G five who's who's doing very well, 732 00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,360 who wants to move up to a power for so, 733 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,519 I think with with Virginia Tech, I think you have 734 00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:19,960 to make your decision by the end of the season 735 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,559 at the latest. 736 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,400 Speaker 2: If you're in the USF, you're in USF coach. 737 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,920 Speaker 1: For what it's worth, Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna be 738 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,320 a popular candidate. If you're in C State, Dorin's been 739 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:38,119 there for a really long time, you know it, you 740 00:43:38,159 --> 00:43:40,920 could you could make because I mean they'll probably end 741 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,199 up making a Bowl, you know, with some of the 742 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:48,119 games they have to finish the the schedule. They're at 743 00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:52,840 there at four right now. Actually, let me maybe I 744 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,079 could pull it up really quick here and uh see 745 00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:09,360 what the rest of their schedule is. Okay, here we go. 746 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:15,760 So you'r n C State, you're four and three, You've 747 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,880 you've got Pittsburgh, a game at Pittsburgh and they're surging 748 00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,559 Georgia Tech at home. I mean, that's a chance for 749 00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:26,679 a possible upset. You're going on the road to Miami, Okay, 750 00:44:26,679 --> 00:44:29,239 you're not gonna probably win that game, and then you 751 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:33,320 get to you know, now very winnable looking games you 752 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,280 get Florida State at home, and you get you know, 753 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,960 North Carolina. So if you're getting to that North Carolina 754 00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:41,239 game and you need to get bowl eligible, I mean 755 00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,239 you're gonna beat North Carolina most likely because they're so bad. 756 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,599 You know, you get to a bowl game. I mean, 757 00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,599 you can make the argument that that n C State 758 00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:52,920 could be in position to hang on to Dorian for 759 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,880 another year and see how it plays out. I mean, 760 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,960 but if they have the funds and the resources, I 761 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,480 mean it definite. It does look like that his best 762 00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:08,320 days are behind him there at nc They're at NC State, 763 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,639 they've lost three of their last four games, and other 764 00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:18,320 than beating Campbell, I mean, they lost that Duke double digits. 765 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,559 They lost that game to Virginia Tech, which was a stunner. 766 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,000 You know, Virginia Tech was just trying to get right 767 00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:25,880 and they end up losing that game at home, and 768 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,760 then you know, they kind of hung in there with 769 00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,480 Notre Dame a little bit, but the reality is that 770 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:33,519 wasn't that competitive in the second half. So I mean, 771 00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,079 I think if you're Virginia Tech, you have to make 772 00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,199 a move by the end of the year. N C 773 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,599 State comes down to a matter of finances, and I 774 00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:43,800 mean if they just feel like they're priced out for 775 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,000 this year because there's so many openings, I definitely think 776 00:45:47,039 --> 00:45:49,880 you can argue, all right, you know, what's one more 777 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,400 year of don'trn because he has he did have a 778 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,400 run of eight to nine win seasons. I mean, he's 779 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,760 not gonna get you over the hump. He's kind of 780 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,639 like the junior version of James Franklin. You're going to 781 00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:03,079 be competitive in most years, but he's not going to 782 00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:06,320 get you to that that next level. You know that 783 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,599 NC State wants to be where they want to at 784 00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,119 least in a given year, have an opportunity to play 785 00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:15,280 for an ACC championship, you know, maybe make a run 786 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,039 of the playoff. I mean, Doran is not going to 787 00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:18,960 get you there, the same way with flancoln was never 788 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,480 going to get Penn State to truly compete for a 789 00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:26,320 national title. So, you know, I think Virginia Tech needs 790 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,880 to make the move. N C State, you know, depending 791 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,000 on the circumstances, you know, might look at it, and 792 00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,679 I don't think it'd be a It wouldn't be a 793 00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,159 bad decision if they were to hang on to dorn 794 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,119 If if they you know, looked at it and said, 795 00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:43,000 we're just priced out. 796 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:45,280 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think it's because they're also paying 797 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,159 you know, NC State's made a huge commitment to Will 798 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:53,039 Wade for men's basketball, and it maybe that's it may 799 00:46:53,079 --> 00:46:56,440 be possible that that's the case, that that's the case there, 800 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,960 and they may want to wait. With all I mentioned, 801 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,320 I still like an auction listing off all those openings, right, 802 00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:06,039 and we're not halfway through the season yet. I mean, 803 00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,239 we don't know that that's the entire we don't know 804 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,960 that that's the entire list. 805 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. 806 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,079 Speaker 4: So I just wanted to add something real quick. 807 00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:19,559 Speaker 3: I was just looking up Dave Doren's buy out information 808 00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:25,639 and according to between The Faith phil Observer and USA Today, 809 00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,480 if they were to fire him, he's looking at between 810 00:47:28,519 --> 00:47:33,400 thirteen and fifteen million dollars. So, you know, like you're saying, 811 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:35,960 if you're investing in the basketball coach as much as 812 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,000 you are, do you really have the money to fire 813 00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,920 the football coach and pay him that kind of money 814 00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:44,360 or it makes at that point it would make sense, 815 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,519 you know, let him finish the season out and give 816 00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:51,719 him next year because he is he tends to have 817 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,360 you know, I agree with what you said about you know, 818 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,840 he is James Franklin light where he'll get you some wins, 819 00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,920 he'll get you to bowl games. But NC State's not 820 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,559 that kind of team. Like they remind me of North 821 00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:07,800 Carolina where it's always like when will North Carolina wake 822 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,199 up from being the sleeping Giant, and it's like hasn't happened? 823 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 4: Will it ever happen. NC State's one of those programs. 824 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,199 Speaker 3: It just feels like they, you know, they're not on 825 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,239 that tier level that you know, like all these other 826 00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,239 schools want to be. Like, look at it's a crazy 827 00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,440 thing to think that I saw the stat on Twitter 828 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:30,880 two hundred and seventy six days ago James Franklin was 829 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:35,400 this close to playing for the national championship and now 830 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,119 he is gone. That's how crazy the world of college 831 00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:43,559 football is where, you know, we're from an older generation 832 00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,719 where you know, if you won ten games and made 833 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,079 a bowl game, you know, it was a great season, 834 00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:53,199 you know, the Rose Bowl or Orange Bowl or Fiesta 835 00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:57,000 back then. But now it's like that is not enough 836 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,519 in the world that we live in, where you're winning 837 00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:03,159 ten games games on average year, that's a fireable offense 838 00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:05,360 and That's that's a crazy thought to have. 839 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,800 Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, Jeff, what do you got for your open microphone? Fred? 840 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just gonna I'm gonna hit this one quickly. 841 00:49:19,559 --> 00:49:23,199 You know, the the game Bay site, you know, I 842 00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,079 know it's a top ten matchup between Old Miss and Georgia. 843 00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,199 But we've seen Game Day not really care about, you know, 844 00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,880 highest ranked teams. I mean, you go to really the 845 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,440 most compelling matchup and compelling sites. I mean, that's what 846 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,039 they should do. But you know, here we go again, 847 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,280 and they've really just went in an overdrive with this 848 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,719 over the last couple of years. I mean, back to Athens, 849 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,760 back to Tuscaloosa, Knoxville, whatever SEC stadium they can they 850 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,559 can hit. And then the occasional, you know, big ten 851 00:49:57,639 --> 00:50:00,559 location with a with a top five matchup. But here 852 00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,599 we you know, we've already seen Oregon. Oregon was on 853 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,400 Game Day, you know, two of the last at one 854 00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:12,079 point two out of three weeks. Georgia's already been on 855 00:50:12,159 --> 00:50:15,599 there twice. We're not We're not even through them, you know. 856 00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:20,239 The middle of October. I mean, the ACC is getting 857 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,760 of course shafted on this as usual. I mean Miami 858 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,519 and Florida State would have been a far better, you 859 00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:31,559 know matchup. You know, that was the seven thirty game 860 00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,280 and then probably you know, they looked at it and said, well, 861 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,239 maybe they didn't go because Florida State lost that day, 862 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,079 but when they when they did, and hats off to 863 00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,320 Miami for kind of breaking through and even getting a 864 00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:47,280 primetime matchup with Florida State. You know, Florida I think 865 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,000 was coming off a loss when they had that that 866 00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,360 game day there and then even last year, you know 867 00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,800 they had it at col but also with a highly 868 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:59,840 ranked Miami team. It's been the only non Big ten 869 00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:04,360 or SEC you know matchup of the last two years. 870 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,000 If you're the Big twelve, how do you feel they 871 00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,079 don't even have like a team on there. They can't 872 00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:12,679 even get it, you know, a Big twelve team playing 873 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,679 any other opponent on on game day. I mean, you know, 874 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:19,039 at least that was Florida State, Georgia Tech last year, 875 00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,000 Cal and Miami has kind of broken through here. But 876 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,920 I mean I think that BYU and Utah with a 877 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,880 top twenty five matchup, you know, the Holy War whatever, 878 00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:34,079 getting that would have been you know, a really compelling 879 00:51:34,199 --> 00:51:39,840 matchup to head to even Notre Dame and USC now 880 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,039 is a top twenty matchup. But you know they're just 881 00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:46,280 they're just simply only going to go to SEC stadiums 882 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:53,920 or that that top five Big ten team. I mean, hey, 883 00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,440 that would be nice. They used to do that. I mean, 884 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,840 it wouldn't but a couple of years ago, in twenty 885 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,519 twenty one three they went from APP They went to 886 00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,480 APP State and James Madison and it was one of 887 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,559 the largest crowds they ever had on game day. But 888 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:11,039 they've they've totally written off going into any G five locations. 889 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:13,320 So I mean, for me, I just watched the a 890 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,880 C C S huddle. Now I haven't watched you know, 891 00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:20,480 I probably haven't totaled more than thirty total minutes of 892 00:52:20,519 --> 00:52:25,760 game day over the last you know, two years, because 893 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,840 it is The ACC huddle is actually pretty good. They 894 00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,960 go to the a CEC stadiums and you know, it's 895 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,079 top to bottom ACC coverage and they're getting better. You know, 896 00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:41,239 each year it gets a little bit better. They yeah, 897 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:45,239 he's he's good. The personalities they have are are really good, 898 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:51,039 and you know Eric McClain and Eddie Royle, jimbo Fisher 899 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:54,159 and the host. I think her name is Taylor tannembaumb 900 00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:56,679 and they always have the coaches talking. So for my money, 901 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,400 I just watched ACC huddle because we know they're not 902 00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,280 gonna talk about anyone from the you know, they're not 903 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:07,599 going to go to an ACC ACC matchup for the 904 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,320 for the resident. If they weren't going to Florida State Miami, 905 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,880 they'll just go to Baton Rouge or Athens or Knoxville, 906 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,039 probably two or three times again this year. 907 00:53:18,679 --> 00:53:24,400 Speaker 2: A fair rant, A fair rant. Well, thank you so much, Carlos. 908 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,480 We really appreciate you spending your Sunday night with us 909 00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:31,519 on the All Sports Discussion ACC podcast for what I 910 00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:34,760 believe is episode five hundred and sixty six, is that 911 00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,639 right or five hundred sixty seven, one of the two. 912 00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:41,280 A lot of longevity there and our guests make the show. 913 00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:43,760 So thank you so much for joining us, Carlos on 914 00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,719 your Sunday night, and thank you spending Thank you for 915 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,039 spending your evening with us. We really appreciate you coming 916 00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:49,840 on the podcast. 917 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,119 Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much. It's always fun, always great 918 00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,000 chatting up with you too. And so the next time, 919 00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,320 all right, have a great week.