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Speaker 1: Guest.
Speaker 2: He was on earlier this season the preview the University
of Miami football with US. It's Carlospaneda, formerly of Southern
Pigskin dot com. He's on exit at Carlos F.
Speaker 1: Paneda.
Speaker 2: That's at c A R L O S F P
I N E DA. He joins us to review ACC
football Week seven, preview ACC football Week eight, look at
National college football, and we'll have a couple of open
microphone segments here too. So Carlos, welcome back. Tell us
about yourself, anything that you want to plug. We always
plug you as our Miami football expert. And I think
at this point, I mean I can just say this myself.
Mario Christobaal is pulling ACC mid season ACC Coach of
the Year honors. Thank you for joining us on this
Sunday evening.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for having me. Always appreciate it. Always
a fun time and if you want to. Aside from
following me on Twitter slash X still hard to say
just x it's weird, but you can follow my Instagram.
I'm sports photography page. I'm usually taking pictures from all
the Miami Hurricane football games on the sideline.
Speaker 4: You can follow that at CFP images and.
Speaker 3: That's trusually where I post all of my game footage
from the Miami Hurricane home games. But to your point, yeah,
I would think so. Number two ranked team in the
country right now. Just huge wins to start the season
over rivals Notre Dame, Florida, Florida State also wins against Bethune,
Cookman and South Florida. So basically, with the exception of
not playing UCF or FAU and FIU, a strong case
for state champions in the state of Florida, and that
goes a long way in recruiting, especially with all of
the kids that play down here in Florida. Whenever you
can beat Florida and Florida State in the same season,
that's incredible. And then you add NERD into that, that
adds a lot of hype or the Hurricanes, especially what
Mario Cristobal is doing down in Coral Gables. It's pretty
impressive just to see how this team is playing this season.
Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, we're certainly on board with that. So as
we look at this past week, Carlos, which ACC football
team do you think was the most disappointing in Week seven?
We think there probably is a neighbor in Florida that
you might be talking about there and who was the
most impressive ACC team.
Speaker 1: Of the week.
Speaker 3: The Flora's here his friend, Like you said, I think
Florida State. You know they needed to have a bounce
back game. You're playing at home. You just played a
game against Miami on national television prime time the week before.
Game was electric until Miami really took over the game
and you saw how dominant they were. Fs She was
able to make the comeback in the fourth quarter, and
this was a game they needed to have. Then you
lose to Virginia on the road in an upset the
week before playing your rival, and then losing to Miami.
You really needed to show up against Pitt And it's
the the pressures get getting a little hot up in
Tallahassee because a lot of the fan base is just
over over what's going on with Mike Norvell. It's the
temperature is rising. And as you see what happened in
Penn State today with James Franklin, people are asking the question,
when is it Norvelle time to release him? And I
just had this conversation with a friend earlier today and
I'm like, if they collapse the rest of this season,
then I can see it happening. But I think he
still has a little bit of time. You know, you
got to get these wins. Next week they play against Stanford,
which you need that win or else I think he
might be on the chopping block, but you really need
to show that. You know, these losses were close score wise.
The Pit game three point loss Miami that was a blowout.
Miami traded basically traded time for FSU to mount a
little bit of a comeback. And the Virginia game was
another close one. So they really need to show up
against Stanford next weekend or else it's going to get
really ugly. And Tyl hassee and the fans are not
happy with the fact that they've now lost three in
a row, especially three conference games, which is the key there.
That doesn't help in the standings. And you know, this
was supposed to be a big year for them. You
beat Alabama first game of the season, we see how
Alabama has played since and how good they look.
Speaker 4: And now the.
Speaker 3: Question mark is what's going on with Florida State. What's
going on with this team and do they have the
resilience to bounce back, because you know, can Norvell get
the guys motivated again and ready to get up for
this next game. That's gonna be the big question heading
into the next week is whether they can get up
for this game and get up to playing for Norvell
against Stanford.
Speaker 2: And on your on the other side of the coin,
who who is the who is your most impressive ACC
football team of the week?
Speaker 4: You know that's that's I gotta say.
Speaker 3: I was impressed with with Georgia Tech. It's just every
week they you know, Miami's lucky. I think that they're
not playing Georgia Tech is. They've been a thorn in
Miamis side for the past few years. But Georgia Tech
is just they keep winning. It's it's really amazing to
see what they're doing, you know, beating Virginia Tech. I
know Virginia Tech is not having a very good year,
but it's just their consistency I mean, the fact that
they're tied with Virginia and Duke right now three and
oh in the Conference six and oh undefeated. It's you know,
it's It's one of those things where I wasn't expecting
Georgia Tech to be as good as they are, and
they're just consistently improving and showing how good of a
team they are. A couple of weeks ago, you know,
they had that scare against White Forest, but they find
ways to win these games. So that's really impressive just
to see that. You know, they're they're continuing to get
better as the season goes.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, and it would have been easy for
me to see Georgia Tech slip up a little against
slip up against a little against Virginia Tech, only because
they've had a little difficulty with rush defense in their
last few games, and that's actually been one of the
Virginia Tech's strengths strengths. But they they just after a while,
Georgia Tech's I think depth kind of wear down Virginia Tech, right,
I mean, because Virginia Virginia Tech is obviously in a
transition stage. If you recall, I know you remember this,
Carlos I should that. I thought that both both Virginia
Tech and Virginia would have interim coaches in the Commonwealth
Cup game, and I'm half right so far. I think
I'm probably gonna be half wrong. I think because that
Tony la it seems to be having a pretty good
year at Virginia, but it's after you know, it's easy
for easy to slip up like that, and I thought
that that's a good call for a good call from you.
Georgia Technee, it's easy to slip up, but they keep
winning those games even when it's not looking looking so great.
So anyway, Jeff friend, you are up.
Speaker 1: Right. Thank you, Matthew. All right, Carlos, which ACC football
game are you looking forward to the most in Week eight?
Speaker 3: Aside from Louisville against Miami. I I'm excited to see Georgia.
Speaker 4: Tech and Duke.
Speaker 3: That's a game where, like I said before, you know,
those are two teams that are undefeated in the conference
and with no divisions. You know, it's the two best
teams that meet up in the a SEC Championship game.
So that game itself is gonna one of these teams
is gonna have one loss in the conference. So that's
a huge game and possibly the inside track to one
of the two spots when it's all you know, as
we got closer to the end of the season and
the race for who's going to Charlotte. So that'll be
an interesting game to keep an eye on. Is Georgia
Tech and Duke And yeah, I'm excited to see, you
know who who can get the advantage there with both
teams being three to zero in the ACC.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, and I'll have a particular eye on
on that one. Myself is a Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech guy,
and you know, when you look at that game, I mean,
Duke is not is not sneaking up on anyone. I
don't think anyone can even suggest that that's like a
trap game for Georgia Tech, because Duke is actually favored
in that game. I just looked at the line. They're
favored by two and a half, So you may can
argue that. When we asked this next question, which ACC
team could be on upset alert in week eight if
they're looking ahead to a game on their schedule or
sleepwalking on the field, it could be, strangely enough, Georgia
Tech looking to pull down Jeff Hey, I don't make
the rules. I don't make the rules. Vegas has made
Duke has made favorite Ducas. I mean, Vegas has made
Duke the favorite in that game.
Speaker 4: I mean two and a half points. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But just the fact that we're, you know, weeks removed
from Duke losing against Tulane. I remember a lot of
people were talking about many dias and it's like, you know,
can he get it done at Duke after they lost
to Tulane. And it's been it's been an impressive run
so far. Like they were able to bounce back, you know,
after losing to Illinois Tulane and now you've got wins
against UNC State, Syracuse Cal. They've done a pretty good
job to bounce back from those two early season losses.
And it's at Duke. You know, strange, strange things have
happened at Duke a couple of years ago. They upset
Clemson first game of the season. So it's it's one
of those things where just because they're not ranked doesn't
mean it's a it's an easy game for Georgia Tech.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's definitely true, Carlos. And the other game you
know I'm looking at, you know, as possible, you know,
upset as SMU at Clemson. You know, Clemson here is
a nine and a half point favorite in this game,
and I think Clemson is kind of in between, you know,
between starting to play better in looking like the team
many thought they would be in the preseason and what
we're looking at and saying, is this really a function
of Clemson getting better or is it a function of
the opponents they played, because they you know, they handle
their business. They played North Carolina and Boston College on
the road and the games were over, you know, twenty
minutes into the game. But those are awful, awful football teams.
I think the train wreck at at North Carolina is
well documented. You know, they're just they're just a national
laughing stock on the field and off. You know, Boston
College is a team that's really struggling. You know, they
started the season losing an overtime earlier in the season
against Michigan State, and you thought, well, maybe they're not
too bad, and they've just kind of fallen off a cliff.
You know, if Clemson is the preseason version or the
team they're starting to look like, you know, they'll take
care of s MU. But SMU is A is a
dangerous enough opponent, especially on offense. You know that that
if Clemson thinks they maybe completely turned the corner while
not have facing either very good opponent, you know that
that could be a game that could certainly be a
lot closer than you know, that spread. And you know,
I don't really expect this other one I'm looking at
here Florida State and Stanford. I mean, I really do
expect Florida State to win that game. But you got
to wonder where their head's at at this point. I mean,
we know what happened last year. You know, they lost
a couple of games in a row, and you're like,
you know, at some point they're going to start playing,
you know better, and it just never came. And if
their heads, if they're in the wrong head space. And
I think you made a good point talking about James Franklin.
I mean, you know, after losing to UCLA, you know
that was the upset loss. They come back and they
lose to Northwestern and the season is a disaster. I mean,
if Northwestern can beat Penn State as a twenty point underdog,
twenty plus point underdog, then it's not out of the
question of Florida State going out West as an eighteen
point favorite and being in a much closer game than
anyone is expecting.
Speaker 3: Right, and you hit it like you hit the nail
on the head. It's will they show? Will they bounce back?
On paper? I don't see how they would lose to Stanford, Like,
there's a much better team than Stanford. They got a
really talented quarterback. But where's their headspace at? Because like
you mentioned last season, you know, they started off rough
with that three game losing streak, and then they had
a run where they lost to SMU, Clemson, Duke, Miami,
North Carolina got smoked by Notre Dame, and you were wondering,
like are they going to win another game? And fortunately
they were able to beat Charleston Southern. But it makes
you wonder like and that's why I said earlier, like
this is such an important game for not only Mike Norvell,
but for the for all those players on the team,
like are they going to show up or are they done?
Are they checking out early? And again it goes back
back to the situation with Penn State. You know they
lost to Oregon. Okay, that's a top game right there.
You know that was top five, you know, top ten matchup,
that's a huge game.
Speaker 4: But then the.
Speaker 3: Ucla game was just you were like, what's going on here?
How is UCLA a team that just fired their coach
a couple of weeks ago and was losing games they
had no business losing? How did were they able to
do this? And then you mentioned Northwestern that was just
you know, it seemed like the players just quit. And
that's the million dollar question when it comes to Florida State,
like are they gonna they're gonna make this cross country
trip all the way to California and are they going
to show up?
Speaker 4: Are they going to show up for their coach? Or
are they? Are they done?
Speaker 3: Can he get them motivated to play this game? Because again,
on paper, they should win this game. They have they
have no business losing the Stanford But that's that's on paper.
Whether or not they show up on the field, that's
a whole different story. And with s m U and Clemson,
that's you know, that's gonna be that's a tough one
for Dabu. You know you're playing, you know you're at home,
but which which Clemson side is going to show up?
Is it the one that's been playing really well against
two terrible teams in North Carolina and Boston College or
is it gonna be you know, the team that struggled
early in the season. So because you're right, they are
turning the corner with those were two wins that they
played like Clemson should play. They took control, they don't dominated.
Last week against North Carolina, they forced the student section.
Speaker 1: To leave.
Speaker 3: After the first quarter, like they all left because it
was such a dreadful game to be watching. So it
is interesting because s MU is a very good team
and r at Lashley offensive guru. They you know, they
could be that team that goes to death Alli and
steals a win. So I'm just curious myself what Dabbo
and Clemson you know, how how they show up for
that game.
Speaker 1: Yep, definitely Carlos good stuff there. Let's step out of
the ACC for a bit. Uh, Which national FBS game
are you looking forward to the most in Week eight?
And we're wide open with this question. This can be
a power for G five. You can even have an
FCS matchup and then give us the winner of that
game or two. And this week there are plenty quality
matchups nationally.
Speaker 3: There are I mean, there's a bunch of top top twenty,
top ten matchups. I'm interested to see Ole Miss in Georgia.
I mean Georgia beating Auburn yesterday. A lot of a
lot of anger at the officiating crew last night in
regards to Auburn because they weren't getting they weren't getting
some they weren't getting some calls and a few controversial calls.
The touchdown that wasn't a touchdown, the Kirby smart you know,
going off that he didn't call a time out, but
you know they thought he'd call the time out, and
then they said he didn't call a time out. So
I want to see how Ole Miss does against Georgia.
That's that's such a good compelling matchup. I was also
looking that Oklahoma South Carolina. I want to see how
Oklahoma responds because you know, losing to your big rival,
first loss of the season, how that happens. And then.
Speaker 4: For for some reason.
Speaker 3: Uh the I want to see Michigan and Washington. I
just want to see how Michigan responds after going to
Los Angeles and how they played against USC, how they
respond when Washington comes to visit and plays them, So
that those are a few of the ones that I'm
looking at.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those, I love those choices there, Carlos. In one
game I'm looking at is is Utah and BYU. You know,
top twenty five match up there, you know, rivalry game.
I think game Honestly, I think Game Day should have
went there, but you know, game days not allowed to
go anywhere but at SEC Stadium or a top ten
Big ten opponent apparently this season, but I think they
went to Athens again. Yeah, maybe I'll leave that for
the open mic. But anyways, I'm also looking at the
Utah BYU game and I think, Matthew, you've got something
you want to add there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I actually think it's possible that Vanderbilt
will beat LSU. I'm actually dead serious about that, And
just seeing Brian Kelly what his facial expressions alone would
be worth it for me to take the time to
watch that.
Speaker 3: And also I forgot that USC is playing Notre Dame,
so that's another one, you know, one of those great
cross country rivalry games.
Speaker 4: Also.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think you're right, Matthew. I wouldn't
be surprised at all if Vanderbilt knocks off LSU. You
I think LSU got a lot of traction from that
early win over Clemson, which which which is now has
turned out to be overvalued, and and I think LSU
has been exposed quite a bit. I mean, they were
in a struggle with South Carolina, and I definitely don't
think it wouldn't really be a surprise at all if
Vanderbilt uh knocks them off. I mean, Vanderbilt is a
quality football team. That's that's for sure. All Right, Carlos,
this is our first open mic segment as we start
to close out our podcast. This this one's only for you.
Whatever you got, whatever you want to talk about. If
you want a deep dive on Miami, go forward. If
there's another topic you want to hit, the floor is
all yours.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I was gonna say with you know, we
always talk about Miami, and the the biggest question that
always pops up is the U back. You know, is
Miami back? And you know, you look at I'm looking
at the schedule and having already played and beaten Notre Dame,
Florida and Florida State. You look at Louisville's one of
those teams that could challenge Miami. I'm looking at the
game on November first at SMU as another one of
those challenging games. And then because they have Syracuse and
NC State at home, they play at Virginia Tech, which
that should be you know, a win. It's the game
at pit you know, Thanksgiving weekend. Crazy things always happen,
you know, that last week of the season. So that's
one of those three games where it's like, if Miami
can handle business like they've been doing all season long,
you know they're they're going to be in great position
for not only playing for the a SEC championship, but
a slot in the playoffs. And you know, it's one
of those Miami always has, you know, in recent years,
always has a great first half of the season, but
then crazy things happened, you know, last year, the losses
to Georgia Tech, the loss to Syracuse.
Speaker 4: This team is.
Speaker 3: Much better, much much more well rounded. You know, having
seen them live in person, It's been a long long
time since I've seen this type of Miami team. You know,
amazing offense, great running game, a really great receivers, which
is the huge change from last ye because last year
you had cam Ward who could do all these things,
but I don't think he had the quality of a
receiver group like this year's group, as we've seen in
those games where they made FSU secondary look like you know,
they were a JV team. So and the defense, I
mean that was one issue they had last season. They
get a new defensive coordinator and it's just incredible to
see like the size and.
Speaker 4: The speed, and it's you know, if.
Speaker 3: They can play their brand of football, if they can
stay consistent. Because one of those things that we see
all the time, and one of the one great point
is Oregon losing to Indiana at home a couple of
weeks after they beat Penn State in Happy Valley, which
was a huge win, is can you stay consistent? Can
you stay in the middle, not too high, not too low.
One thing you know I always think about with with
top programs like this is, as Nick Saban would say,
are you listening to the rat poison?
Speaker 4: Are you listening to all.
Speaker 3: The praises that the fans are giving you, that the
media is giving you, that everybody's giving you, where like
you know, you lose focus because you're like, oh, we're
so good that you know, we don't have to worry.
It is can they stay consistent? Ken Chrystobal. Can that
staff keep them in check to allow them to not
only just finish undefeated, but make a run in the
playoffs because they had the talent. They're one of the
better teams in all of college football this season, But
it's can they can they keep it going?
Speaker 1: All right? Very good, Matthew. I'm going to turn it
over to you for our last segment in.
Speaker 2: The open microphone number two. I'm going to start this time.
I'm going to start this time. I know, Jeff, you
and I were talking about this last week and I
dropped a tweet on your timeline. But it's a week
we we we this is why we love college fotball,
right because we I think last week you and I
thought it would be kind of a pedestrian sort of
weekend and all hell broke lose this with this past weekend,
right f you know, at Pittsburgh defeated FSU by three points.
I think we thought that that FSU might be under
upset alert because we didn't think their mental state might
be there for that game. But Oregon lost to Indiana.
I mean, Indiana went in there to Austin Stadium and
won by ten points. And I'm not sure, many very
many people had that and they dominated that game. Texas
beat I mean honestly dominated Oklahoma. I didn't expect a
little bit old miss to lose by there, excuse me
to win by only three points to Washington State. Colorado
defeated Iowa State by seven, and that's again, that's that
that was an upset, right, Georgia over Auburn with ten,
a ten point win. And you know, as from what
I can tell, I was I missed this. I saw
your timeline, Jeff. Apparently Auburn got screwed out of a
touchdown on that game. And I think a lot of
people agreed with that. Right to Tennessee at Arkansas by three,
LSU over South Carolina by by ten.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a weekend that you yeah.
Speaker 2: You really didn't think a whole lot would have would happen,
and all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose and
it's kind of crazy, and it's why we love, why
we love this resport. The other thing I want to
add here, and I'm kind of I'm just I'm kind
of done with this and Colorado should not be on
ESPN or ESPN two anymore for these great these these airtime,
getting this a plus airtime. I mean, yes, we can
say that they're they have eyeballs because if the Deion
Sanders eyeballs on the TV sets. But I there's those
there's prime time slots on ESPN and ESPN two have
to go to better teams than Colorado who Colorado who's
certainly probably not going to be Bowl eligible. And I'm
kind of burned. I'm kind of burnt out with that,
and I think we need to be I think we
need to be over that. And so they're there, you go.
I usually don't rant are like that, rants hard like that,
but my rants on the buffs because I'm kind of
tired of that. There are more deserving teams and I'm talking.
I'm talking about Duke here. I've been talking about Duke
for a couple of weeks. Duke should have some of
those slots on ESPN or ESPN two. They should have
more of him. So that's my take here for tonight.
You're up with your open microphone, Carlos.
Speaker 3: Kind of you know, you talk about what we love
about college football and the students that I think there
were students at Oklahoma State. The one guy that took
off a shirt and started waving it in the air,
and then that attracted one, two, and then it eventually
became the whole section with all these guys shirts off,
waving them in the air, and I'm just like, that's amazing,
Like that is why the sport is so special, Like
that's why I could never compare to the NFL could
to that. Just it's stuff like that that makes it awesome.
And like you said, the upsets, Like I didn't have
Oregon losing. I didn't have you know, I thought Indiana,
you know, they they showed me how good they are.
I thought when they beat Illinois, I was like, Okay,
you know, maybe Illinois isn't as good as we thought.
And Indiana just you know, was able to just dominate
them and Illinois was bad. But now much respect to
Indiana the Hoosiers, because that's huge to go to a
place like Otsen. They call it the Outson Zoo for
a reason, and to dominate the way they did to
win that game. That's awesome them because I don't think
I was giving them much respect before, but now they've
definitely shown how how good of a team they are.
And you know, they they could really do some big
things this season, definitely.
Speaker 2: I mean, Kurt Signanty is kind of changing what's expected
from college football coaches. I think there's gonna be a
lot of fans that think, oh, if he can do
it in Indiana, Ridge doesn't really have a major football
coach or a culture. I guess I probably that's probably
putting it mildly. There's gonna be fans that are making
going to have some expectations of the next team, that
a next coach that they need to hire for their team.
So at A plus comments there, Carlos, what let me
ask you some another I'm gonna ask you another question, dear,
and I'm gonna use it my open mic care and
to ask you another question, near and dear to my heart.
There are so many coaching openings right now. Should Virginia
Tech and maybe even NC State wait until next year
and hire an interim I'm kind of on the fence
about this. I kind of think you probably should do
it now if you're in C State in Virginia Tech.
I mean they fired prior at Virginia Tech, of course,
but there are so many coaching vacancy right now. I mean,
you guys heard about Penn State today, earlier. Today they're
just and you're probably gonna have Florida out. You're going
to start having there's there's a there's U c l
A out. You're gonna have a lot of vacancies. I'm wondering.
I mean, I'm you know, there's only so many coaches available,
and I'm thinking that if you're maybe, if you're in
C state, you may have to make you maybe maybe
it would be good to wait another year and see
see how it works with Dave Dave Doreen. But I'm
on the fence here about Virginia Tech. What are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 4: Carlos h No, I agree.
Speaker 3: I think with Virginia Tech, it's you got to make.
Speaker 4: You have to make.
Speaker 3: The smart right call this time because obviously you know
this past hired just it was a train wreck. At
no point did it work, and that sets you back
a couple of seasons. So you really need to do
your homework and find a guy that can work in Blacksburg,
can can make things happen, like Frank Biemer was able
to do for as long as he did when and
when he first got there, Like those are these are
the type of programs that you know Virginia Tech wasn't
known for football, and then Frank Biemer made it an identity,
Like he created that program. They became one of those,
you know teams that was consistently ranked in the top ten,
top fifteen major bowl games. And you know, he was,
you know, similarly to what Bobby Bowden did at Florida State.
You know, they created these programs at a at a nothing.
And it's unfortunate, you know when you see you know,
teams like this when they're down, because colleg football is
fun when Miami's good, when Florida State is good, when
Florida is good, when Virginia Tech is good, it makes
it more fun. And you know, when these programs are
down the way they've been lately, it just it just hurts.
I think it hurts college football. You want to have
these teams that our mainstays. You want to you want
them to be good and be in the conversation. And
I think NC State maybe maybe, I think I think
the Dave Dorn experiment just it hasn't you know, It's
it's just when do you pull the trigger like he
should have. Just look look how they did against Notre
Dame this past weekend. It's just that program had potential
and it just it's I don't know, I I think
you you might get rid of him.
Speaker 4: Now why why? Wait?
Speaker 3: What's going to change from this season to next season
when we've seen his body of work for the for
his whole tenure in Raleigh. So I don't know what
one more season can do to fix it. I mean,
I guess in the world of n I l if
you have boosters with big pockets that can help bring
in the top players convince them to come to NC State,
that could be a difference.
Speaker 4: But we haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 3: So if if you're able to get someone with big
pockets to be able to lure a few of these
top athletes, sure that can change everything. Just look at
what you know what Miami and Florida State just you know,
when they get a quarterback like that, how that changes
the dynamics so fast. So if I would say you
get rid of Dorian, But if you can get you know,
these boosters to to really put in money to to
get some players, maybe that changes things. But just the
way things have been going for the for a few
years now, it just it doesn't look like they're going
to be that type of contender. They're always going to
be one of those middle of the conference teams. They'll
get their wins, but then they'll also have those losses
that they shouldn't have. You know, it's funny because I
had a conversation with one of my cousins a couple
of weeks ago, because my biggest issue with my biggest
problem with how college football is is these coaches get
these fat salaries, and if they show promise, like in
one season, the school is quick to re up their
contract because obviously, college football is a sport where you
look over your shoulder because you don't want to lose
your coach to another school. You don't want them to
be coached by someone else. So the moment they show
signs of progress, you you ink them up to a
big deal with a bigger buyout, and then when it's
time to fire them, these coaches are owed forty to
fifty sixty million dollars and that's just so much wasteful
spending because of the nature of the sport how it is.
You know, you have one good season and then boom,
they they extend you for seven seasons and now you're
making twelve fifteen million dollars. But then if you get fired,
you know you're gonna get paid sixty million dollars. James Franklin.
They were saying today his buyout was about forty three
forty four million. But what we were talking about was
like there should be incentives there where. All right, we're
paying you ten million dollars a year, but the minute
you lose four five games in a season, we should
be able to take some money back. We should be
able to take you know, I don't know, like, okay,
say you you lose five games in a year for
a program that's usually nine in three, winning nine games
ten games a year, and you lose five, you know what,
we should be able to take away five hundred thousand
dollars from your paycheck because you're underperforming. It's always one
sided in favor of the coach. But it's always you know,
the schools that like have to pony up all this money,
you know, all these TV deals. I think trev Albert
said it best. You know, we don't have a we
don't have we have a spending problem. And that's the
issue that I see with culture ball. It's always when
it's time to fire a coach because they're not doing well,
a school has to write them a huge check. And
that's just that's always been a problem for me.
Speaker 2: Very good, Very good, Jeff. I'm going to ask you
the same question before you transition to your open microphone.
Here's who's open right now. I'm trying to keep track
of all the jobs that are open. Penn State is open,
the Arkansas Razorbacks, Oklahoma State Cowboys, Stanford Cardinal, Virginia Tech, Hokies,
the UCLA Bruins, Oregon State Beavers, and UAB Blazers. I
think on that list, you could probably prove Virginia Tech
at the fourth or fifth best job. Sometimes you can
argue with the third at least of those jobs that
are open. But you know, I'm wondering if you know,
I don't think Virginia Tech will wait to hire a coach.
I think they probably will hire a coach, But I'm
just throwing this out as a theory. Would it be
better to wait another year to hire a coach if
you're Virginia Tech or NC State because it's it's I
I just wonder about that because there's so much change
in the sport right now, and that it may allow
you to uh, you know, allow you to get a
little more time to get your fund you know, your
fundraising financial apparatus is ready for both of those schools
and that that sort of thing. And you know it's
you know, you could go with an interim perhaps in
both spots, but I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: That may not help recruiting. So that undercuts my argument
a little bit, but it it. I mean, and maybe
this is what world and I'm just rambling on, Jeff,
I mean, this is what the future looks like. Right
if people get you know, they get tired of not winning,
that you're you're, you're, you're gonna get a different coaches
because there's pressure to win. I mean, I mentioned that
earlier in the podcast about people those expectations are going
to be changed because of what Kirk Signetti. What Kurt
Signetti has done it at Indiana has just been done
a fabulous done a fabulous job. And you know, I'm
on the fence about whether you whether you would bring
in Bud Foster for a year before you hire r
or someone. I don't think you're going to do that.
I think that would put you behind, put you behind.
But it's it's an interesting thought. That I heard somebody
say today on Twitter, because you start seeing all these
jobs open and you wonder where you're at in the
pecking order. And not to say that NC State and
Virginia Tech are bad jobs, they're pretty good jobs, right,
but but seeing how like what Carl has said, and
you've got these buyouts that in Penn State has because
they're in the Big ten network and they've got a
big donor base, these buyouts seem not to be not
to be a problem if you're in the SEC or
the Big ten. So I'm curious on your thoughts there, Jeff,
because I think we.
Speaker 4: May be moving into a world.
Speaker 2: We're moving into a world where you have lots of
haves and have nots in terms of you know, resources
and things like that. And I'm just curious on your
thoughts there, Jeff. It's there's a lot. I realize you
have to add a lot of layers to that question, right,
There's a lot, a lot, a lot to pack in there.
And I'm curious on what you're.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think and you actually already had
said it, Matthew.
Speaker 4: Hm.
Speaker 1: I think if you're Virginia Tech and you've already you know,
fired your coach. You know, with with with Montgomery, you
can see how the rest of the playoffs, I mean, sorry,
how the rest of the season plays out, because he
could become one of your coaching uh candidate, you know,
in the way like Brent Key and Dabo Sweeney uh did.
But if he's not going to be your coach, you know,
I think you have to you have to allow him
the opportunity to move on or you would have had
your third coach in less than twelve months if you're
going to go that interim route.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: So I think with Virginia Tech, and I definitely understand
your point about, you know, getting your resources right in
the next cycle, but I think you put yourself in
that position where you got it. You have to make
that permanent, higher move and you know, with the with
that promise of extra money, I think you can probably
go a year before maybe they actually start showing up
because you've already Virginia Tech's already committed to a huge increase. Yeah,
and you never know what a coach might be, you know,
what they may be looking for.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, you might have a coach who wants to
get you know, back into uh that region of the country,
or someone from G five who's who's doing very well,
who wants to move up to a power for so,
I think with with Virginia Tech, I think you have
to make your decision by the end of the season
at the latest.
Speaker 2: If you're in the USF, you're in USF coach.
Speaker 1: For what it's worth, Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna be
a popular candidate. If you're in C State, Dorin's been
there for a really long time, you know it, you
could you could make because I mean they'll probably end
up making a Bowl, you know, with some of the
games they have to finish the the schedule. They're at
there at four right now. Actually, let me maybe I
could pull it up really quick here and uh see
what the rest of their schedule is. Okay, here we go.
So you'r n C State, you're four and three, You've
you've got Pittsburgh, a game at Pittsburgh and they're surging
Georgia Tech at home. I mean, that's a chance for
a possible upset. You're going on the road to Miami, Okay,
you're not gonna probably win that game, and then you
get to you know, now very winnable looking games you
get Florida State at home, and you get you know,
North Carolina. So if you're getting to that North Carolina
game and you need to get bowl eligible, I mean
you're gonna beat North Carolina most likely because they're so bad.
You know, you get to a bowl game. I mean,
you can make the argument that that n C State
could be in position to hang on to Dorian for
another year and see how it plays out. I mean,
but if they have the funds and the resources, I
mean it definite. It does look like that his best
days are behind him there at nc They're at NC State,
they've lost three of their last four games, and other
than beating Campbell, I mean, they lost that Duke double digits.
They lost that game to Virginia Tech, which was a stunner.
You know, Virginia Tech was just trying to get right
and they end up losing that game at home, and
then you know, they kind of hung in there with
Notre Dame a little bit, but the reality is that
wasn't that competitive in the second half. So I mean,
I think if you're Virginia Tech, you have to make
a move by the end of the year. N C
State comes down to a matter of finances, and I
mean if they just feel like they're priced out for
this year because there's so many openings, I definitely think
you can argue, all right, you know, what's one more
year of don'trn because he has he did have a
run of eight to nine win seasons. I mean, he's
not gonna get you over the hump. He's kind of
like the junior version of James Franklin. You're going to
be competitive in most years, but he's not going to
get you to that that next level. You know that
NC State wants to be where they want to at
least in a given year, have an opportunity to play
for an ACC championship, you know, maybe make a run
of the playoff. I mean, Doran is not going to
get you there, the same way with flancoln was never
going to get Penn State to truly compete for a
national title. So, you know, I think Virginia Tech needs
to make the move. N C State, you know, depending
on the circumstances, you know, might look at it, and
I don't think it'd be a It wouldn't be a
bad decision if they were to hang on to dorn
If if they you know, looked at it and said,
we're just priced out.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think it's because they're also paying
you know, NC State's made a huge commitment to Will
Wade for men's basketball, and it maybe that's it may
be possible that that's the case, that that's the case there,
and they may want to wait. With all I mentioned,
I still like an auction listing off all those openings, right,
and we're not halfway through the season yet. I mean,
we don't know that that's the entire we don't know
that that's the entire list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 4: So I just wanted to add something real quick.
Speaker 3: I was just looking up Dave Doren's buy out information
and according to between The Faith phil Observer and USA Today,
if they were to fire him, he's looking at between
thirteen and fifteen million dollars. So, you know, like you're saying,
if you're investing in the basketball coach as much as
you are, do you really have the money to fire
the football coach and pay him that kind of money
or it makes at that point it would make sense,
you know, let him finish the season out and give
him next year because he is he tends to have
you know, I agree with what you said about you know,
he is James Franklin light where he'll get you some wins,
he'll get you to bowl games. But NC State's not
that kind of team. Like they remind me of North
Carolina where it's always like when will North Carolina wake
up from being the sleeping Giant, and it's like hasn't happened?
Speaker 4: Will it ever happen. NC State's one of those programs.
Speaker 3: It just feels like they, you know, they're not on
that tier level that you know, like all these other
schools want to be. Like, look at it's a crazy
thing to think that I saw the stat on Twitter
two hundred and seventy six days ago James Franklin was
this close to playing for the national championship and now
he is gone. That's how crazy the world of college
football is where, you know, we're from an older generation
where you know, if you won ten games and made
a bowl game, you know, it was a great season,
you know, the Rose Bowl or Orange Bowl or Fiesta
back then. But now it's like that is not enough
in the world that we live in, where you're winning
ten games games on average year, that's a fireable offense
and That's that's a crazy thought to have.
Speaker 2: Amen. Amen, Jeff, what do you got for your open microphone? Fred?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just gonna I'm gonna hit this one quickly.
You know, the the game Bay site, you know, I
know it's a top ten matchup between Old Miss and Georgia.
But we've seen Game Day not really care about, you know,
highest ranked teams. I mean, you go to really the
most compelling matchup and compelling sites. I mean, that's what
they should do. But you know, here we go again,
and they've really just went in an overdrive with this
over the last couple of years. I mean, back to Athens,
back to Tuscaloosa, Knoxville, whatever SEC stadium they can they
can hit. And then the occasional, you know, big ten
location with a with a top five matchup. But here
we you know, we've already seen Oregon. Oregon was on
Game Day, you know, two of the last at one
point two out of three weeks. Georgia's already been on
there twice. We're not We're not even through them, you know.
The middle of October. I mean, the ACC is getting
of course shafted on this as usual. I mean Miami
and Florida State would have been a far better, you
know matchup. You know, that was the seven thirty game
and then probably you know, they looked at it and said, well,
maybe they didn't go because Florida State lost that day,
but when they when they did, and hats off to
Miami for kind of breaking through and even getting a
primetime matchup with Florida State. You know, Florida I think
was coming off a loss when they had that that
game day there and then even last year, you know
they had it at col but also with a highly
ranked Miami team. It's been the only non Big ten
or SEC you know matchup of the last two years.
If you're the Big twelve, how do you feel they
don't even have like a team on there. They can't
even get it, you know, a Big twelve team playing
any other opponent on on game day. I mean, you know,
at least that was Florida State, Georgia Tech last year,
Cal and Miami has kind of broken through here. But
I mean I think that BYU and Utah with a
top twenty five matchup, you know, the Holy War whatever,
getting that would have been you know, a really compelling
matchup to head to even Notre Dame and USC now
is a top twenty matchup. But you know they're just
they're just simply only going to go to SEC stadiums
or that that top five Big ten team. I mean, hey,
that would be nice. They used to do that. I mean,
it wouldn't but a couple of years ago, in twenty
twenty one three they went from APP They went to
APP State and James Madison and it was one of
the largest crowds they ever had on game day. But
they've they've totally written off going into any G five locations.
So I mean, for me, I just watched the a
C C S huddle. Now I haven't watched you know,
I probably haven't totaled more than thirty total minutes of
game day over the last you know, two years, because
it is The ACC huddle is actually pretty good. They
go to the a CEC stadiums and you know, it's
top to bottom ACC coverage and they're getting better. You know,
each year it gets a little bit better. They yeah,
he's he's good. The personalities they have are are really good,
and you know Eric McClain and Eddie Royle, jimbo Fisher
and the host. I think her name is Taylor tannembaumb
and they always have the coaches talking. So for my money,
I just watched ACC huddle because we know they're not
gonna talk about anyone from the you know, they're not
going to go to an ACC ACC matchup for the
for the resident. If they weren't going to Florida State Miami,
they'll just go to Baton Rouge or Athens or Knoxville,
probably two or three times again this year.
Speaker 2: A fair rant, A fair rant. Well, thank you so much, Carlos.
We really appreciate you spending your Sunday night with us
on the All Sports Discussion ACC podcast for what I
believe is episode five hundred and sixty six, is that
right or five hundred sixty seven, one of the two.
A lot of longevity there and our guests make the show.
So thank you so much for joining us, Carlos on
your Sunday night, and thank you spending Thank you for
spending your evening with us. We really appreciate you coming
on the podcast.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you very much. It's always fun, always great
chatting up with you too. And so the next time,
all right, have a great week.