Speaker 1: Imagine looking up at the night sky, you point to
the nearest star system outside our own little solar neighborhood
proximusry right, it's four point two light years away. So
the light you're seeing tonight actually left that star four
point two years ago.
Speaker 2: It's quite a distance, it really is.
Speaker 1: And Okay, say you could somehow just instantly accelerate to
the speed of light. That's what one hundred and eighty
six thousand miles per second, insane speed, unimaginable. Yeah, even then,
it would still take you four point two years to
cover that distance. Four years minimum just for the commute.
Speaker 2: Makes interstellar travel seem well functionally impossible for us, doesn't it,
given the physics we know exactly?
Speaker 1: But what if the real constraint isn't the speed of
our ship. What if it's the actual shape of the
universe itself. What if we didn't have to, you know,
travel the distance at all. What if we could just
bypass the journey entirely?
Speaker 2: And that is the really profound question right at the
heart of today's deep dive. We're stepping into the realm
of well reality bending.
Speaker 1: Physics, where time might not be linear and space is
Maybe this malleable substance just waiting to be folded precisely.
Speaker 2: We're digging into sources that look at these theoretical shortcuts
through the cosmos, and then we'll pivot to some fascinating
historical military.
Speaker 1: Encounters, encounters that suggest someone or maybe something somewhere has
already figured out how to use these.
Speaker 2: Shortcuts exactly, potentially allowing for you know, nonlinear time travel.
Things get really strange there.
Speaker 1: And then finally we'll try to connect those ideas to
the really remarkable and some say suppressed advanced technology of
visionary genius, whose.
Speaker 2: Work like a century ago might have laid out the
blueprints for tomorrow.
Speaker 1: The stakes here feel pretty critical because if shortcuts through
space are possible, well, then shortcuts through time might be
possible too, And.
Speaker 2: That raises this huge fundamental question that just runs through
all the source material we looked at.
Speaker 1: Are the visitors, these phenomena we sometimes observe, are they
from distant star systems way across the galaxy.
Speaker 2: Are they perhaps just our own, distant, maybe unrecognizable future selves.
It really forces us to kind of redefine the whole
concept of alien Maybe it's not extraterrestrial, but extra temporal
from another time.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Let's start with the geometry of
the universe itself and the ultimate theoretical shortcut. Right, So
to even think about bypassing distance, we have to start
with the basic theory that suggests it's even possible that
takes us to the Einstein rosenbridge.
Speaker 2: It does. We're looking at Princeton, New Jersey, July nineteen
thirty five. That's where Albert Einstein and Nathan Rosen they
were working together at the Institute for Advanced Study, and
they published this really a groundbreaking paper. It came right
out of the general theory of relativity.
Speaker 1: And what was the big takeaway?
Speaker 2: Well, their conclusion was pretty radical. They basically said, the
geometry of the universe doesn't strictly demand linear travel, you know,
point A to point B in a straight line.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Instead, relativity allows for these shortcuts right across the space
time continuum, so that the fabric of reality itself could
be well deformable.
Speaker 1: These shortcuts, they initially called them Einstein roads and bridges,
didn't they But now we just call them wormholes.
Speaker 2: That's the term we use today. Yeah, yeah, worm holes.
The basic concept sounds simple, almost intuitive, maybe, but the
actual mechanics are anything that's simple.
Speaker 1: So what's the standard way to visualize this? I always
hear the paper analogy.
Speaker 2: Right, The paper analogy is helpful, but you have to
remember its limits. So imagine space time not as just
empty space, but as this four dimensional manifold.
Speaker 1: Which is already hard to picture it is.
Speaker 2: So let's simplify. Picture it like a flexible, flat, two
dimensional piece of paper. Now, if you want to get
from point A to point B on that paper, you
just travel across the surface right, the long way, a
long way. But what if you could curve that paper
around using the third dimension and then basically punch a
hole or create a tunnel connecting point A directly to
point b.
Speaker 1: Ah, So you skip the journey across the surface exactly.
Speaker 2: You've drastically cut the travel distance in time. That connection,
that sort of tunneler throat through the higher dimension. That
is the wormhole. It's a structure made by an extreme
bending and folding of space itself.
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds like the perfect fix for interstellar travel.
Like problem solved. But there's always a catch, isn't there?
Speaker 2: There's a massive catch. Yes, the theoretical possibility runs smack
into a huge practical problem. This brings us to the
energy barrier and this weird concept of exotic matter.
Speaker 1: Exotic matter.
Speaker 2: Okay, right, So while relativity allows wormhole solutions to exist, mathematically,
creating one that's actually traversible, you know, one you could
fly a ship through without it instantly collapsing under its
own gravity. That's the immense challenge.
Speaker 1: So it's not just making the curve, it's keeping the
tunnel open.
Speaker 2: Precisely. You need to prop the throat of the wormhole
open against these colossal gravitational forces that are trying to
crush it shut.
Speaker 1: And that's where this exotic matter comes in. What even
is it?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the million dollar question, maybe trillion dollars. To
stabilize the wormhole, the theory demands something truly bizarre material
with negative mass or maybe more accurately, negative energy density.
Speaker 1: Negative mass. How does that even work?
Speaker 2: Well, think about normal matter, positive mass, It pulls things
together with gravity, right, This exotic matter would do the opposite.
It would exert a kind of anti gravity pushing outward
on the wormhole throat, keeping it from collapsing.
Speaker 1: Does that stuff actually exist? Have we ever seen it.
Speaker 2: Not directly. No, we're only aware of matter with positive mass,
the kind that makes up you, me, planet stars, This
exotic matter, this key ingredient is purely theoretical right now.
We haven't confirmed it exists, let alone figured out how
to make or find it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's hurdle number one. And even if we
could somehow make this stuff, you mentioned an energy.
Speaker 2: Barrier, Oh yeah, the energy scales involved are just astronomical, mind.
Speaker 1: Boggling, Like, how much energy are we talking?
Speaker 2: The estimates are staggering. We're not talking about, you know,
running a city's power grid. Scientist fic that to create
and sustain just one macroscopic traversible wormhole, maybe just big
enough for a small probe, you'd need energy equivalent to
converting the entire mass of the planet Jupiter completely into
energy EMC squared applied to Jupiter.
Speaker 1: The entire mass of Jupiter that I can't even comprehend
that number.
Speaker 2: It's millions, maybe billions of times more powerful than any
nuclear weapon ever detonated. And on top of that, the
tidal forces inside the wormhole's throat would be so intense
that without this negative energy stuff pushing back anything trying
to pass through would just be ripped apart, instantly spaghettified.
Speaker 1: Right. Okay, so creating them ourselves seems pretty much off
the table for now, maybe forever.
Speaker 2: For the foreseeable future certainly.
Speaker 1: So that leads to the next logical question. Then, what
if we didn't have to create them? What if nature
already did the really hard work for us.
Speaker 2: Ah, Now that's a fascinating line of thought. This leads
to an alternative theory explored by physicists, including folks at
Vanderbilt University back.
Speaker 1: In the early nineties, and their idea was.
Speaker 2: That maybe wormholes formed naturally right at the very beginning
during the Big Bang, the Big Bang. How well, think
about the conditions back then. Yeah, the moment of the
universe's creation was pure chaos. Space time itself was being stretched, compressed,
mashed together, violently expanded, just unimaginable turbulence. Okay, this cosmic
chaos might have caused wormholes to just pop into existence
spontaneously billions of years ago.
Speaker 1: How would that work physically? The sources mentioned something about
stress fields.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the ideas you could have these incredibly intense stress
fields around huge concentrations of matter and energy. The analogy
used was like the stress generated by something the mass
of the Himalayas. Okay, if that stress field is strong enough,
the gravitational forces could literally mash the matter inside its
own event horizon, potentially pinching off and forming a tiny, infinitesimal.
Speaker 1: Wormhole, tiny like how tiny.
Speaker 2: Microscopic like the size of an atom, maybe even smaller.
These are sometimes called primordial wormholes. They'd likely be unstable
singularities on their own, but they'd be there little stars
left over from the universe's birth.
Speaker 1: But an atom sized wormhole isn't very useful for travel.
Speaker 2: Not initially, no, but think about what's been happening ever
since the Big Bang.
Speaker 1: The universe has been expanding, stretching.
Speaker 2: Exactly continuously expanding, stretching the very fabric of space time
at incredible rates. So as space itself expands, these tiny
primordial wormholes embedded within it would also get stretched.
Speaker 1: Ah they'd grow along with the universe.
Speaker 2: That's the theory. Over billions and billions of years of
cosmic expansion, these initially microscopic structures could theoretically grow to
become very large, maybe even stable and.
Speaker 1: Traversible, without needing us to pump in Jupiter's mass worth
of energy.
Speaker 2: Potentially, yes, they'd just be natural features of the cosmos,
formed long ago and expanded over eons. The challenge then
shifts completely.
Speaker 1: Instead of needing possible energy to create one, we just
need the smarts the technology to find one that nature
already made and grew for.
Speaker 2: Us precisely, which connects directly back to the idea of
advanced life or maybe even at advanced time.
Speaker 1: Right, because if these things exist naturally.
Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, the universe
might actually be littered with these natural shortcuts. Suddenly, interstellar travel,
maybe even inner temporal travel becomes possible without breaking known physics.
You just need the map.
Speaker 1: But that raises the really big question, if these shortcuts
are out there, who.
Speaker 2: Might have found them first? And this is where our
sources start to suggest that the occupants the uses of
these phenomena might not be coming from distant stars.
Speaker 1: But from a distant point on our own timeline exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's where the mind bending theoretical physics suddenly crashes
headlong into some really startling real world military reports.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that transition takes us right out of the
theoretical lab and into the the military incident files, and
we have to start with one of the most famous
cases involving alleged time distortion, the Rendalschump Forest incident.
Speaker 2: Right Suffolk, England, December nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: What happened there?
Speaker 2: So this occurred right next to these twin NATO air bases,
RAF Woodbridge and RAF bent Waters. They were heavily used
by the US Air Force at the time. A security
unit including Airman John Burrows and Sergeant Jim Peniston, was
sent out to investigate some really strange multicolored lights seen
descending into the nearby Rendalsham Forest. Their first thought was
maybe a plane.
Speaker 1: Crash, makes sense, but it wasn't a plane crash.
Speaker 2: Was it definitely not And the atmospheric effects they described
are just bizarre. They reported the air feeling incredibly charged,
like static electricity, but much stronger.
Speaker 1: An electricity charged atmosphere.
Speaker 2: I think the report said, yes, exactly, and it got
more intense the closer they got to whatever was emitting
the light. Servicemen actually described feeling the electricity on their skin,
their hair standing on end.
Speaker 1: Wow. And did this energy field affect anything else like
time itself?
Speaker 2: That's the most extraordinary claim. Both Burrows and Peniston specifically
reported experiencing moments where everything was going in slow.
Speaker 1: Motions, slow motion like in a movie.
Speaker 2: That's how they described it. Now, this wasn't just you know,
fear making things seem slow. They perceived it as an
objective change, a sense that localized time had actually decelerated
around them.
Speaker 1: Which could be a sign of being near a massive
energy field, right, something warping space time.
Speaker 2: That's one interpretation. Absolutely yeah, it fits the theoretical profile
of extreme gravitational or energy effects.
Speaker 1: And Sergeant Peniston he got closest, didn't he. What did
he see?
Speaker 2: He reported seeing a craft triangular, maybe six or seven
feet high, completely black, totally silent. He was looking for
like USAF markings or something familiarly, but instead he saw
these streame symbols etched onto the side, about three feet
long six inches high, pictorial glyphs or some kind of inscription,
not letters, not numbers.
Speaker 1: He recognized, okay, weird symbols. But then came the really
strange part, the core of this time anomaly claim.
Speaker 2: Yes, when Pennison actually reached out and touched the service
of the craft, ran his hand over it. He said,
he experienced this sudden, jarring download of information directly into
his mind, like digital data.
Speaker 1: A download what kind of information?
Speaker 2: He described it as overwhelming, compelling. He was so shaken
by it that the very next day, feeling this intense,
confused urgency, he wrote down pages of zeros and ones.
Binary code.
Speaker 1: He just wrote down binary code. Did he know what
it meant?
Speaker 2: Not at the time. No, He apparently kept it hidden
for years, didn't really understand it.
Speaker 1: So what happened with the code? Did anyone ever figure
it out?
Speaker 2: Years later? Yes, According to the accounts, a computer programmer
eventually got hold of this binary sequence Peniston had recorded.
They ran it through translation software.
Speaker 1: What did it say?
Speaker 2: The message that reportedly emerged is just cryptic and chilling.
It read the exploration of humanity continuous for planetary advanced
eyes of your eyes Origin year eight thousand, one hundred,
Origin year.
Speaker 1: Eight thousand, one hundred. Wait, what does that mean?
Speaker 2: That's the kicker, isn't it Origin year eight thousand, one hundred.
If that translation is accurate, it completely flips the script.
Speaker 1: It means they weren't from proximusentry exactly.
Speaker 2: It suggests they weren't extraterrestrial in the traditional sense, It
points towards beings operating from a vastly different point on
our timeline, the future year eighty one hundred.
Speaker 1: Peniston himself came to believe this right, that they were
time travelers.
Speaker 2: He did. He later stated very clearly that he believed
the beings associated with the craft were time travelers, humans
from maybe forty thousand or fifty thousand years in our future, and.
Speaker 1: They were coming back. Why.
Speaker 2: He felt they were coming back to observe, maybe too correct,
things that had gone horribly wrong in our history, leading
to some future catastrophe. He explicitly called them future humans.
Speaker 1: And this wasn't just a psychologue experience. Their physical effects too,
aren't there?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, the reports are quite specific. Both Burrows and
Pennistons suffered lasting physical problems afterward, chronic issues with their throats, eyes,
even their gums turning white, persistent vision trouble.
Speaker 1: And didn't a doctor ask Burrows about radiation exposure?
Speaker 2: Yes, the symptoms were apparently consistent enough with radiation sickness
that a doctor specifically asked him if he'd been exposed
to radiation. Whatever that craft was, it was pumping out
some serious.
Speaker 1: Energy energy that could potentially warp time locally and have
biological effects.
Speaker 2: It connects the subjective experience, the slow motion the download
to a measurable physical output. It suggests a technology operating
at energy levels far beyond anything we currently possess, perhaps
tapping into that exotic matter or negative energy we talked
about earlier.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's shift continents. Now different place, Chile, but a
potentially similar type of anomaly, the Valdez disappearance right.
Speaker 2: This happened in April nineteen seventy seven in the northern
Dead region of Chile.
Speaker 1: What was the scenario.
Speaker 2: Corporal Armando Valdez was leading a small military patrol, just
seven men in total. They were out in the desert
when they saw two bright violet colored lights descend maybe
five hundred yards away from.
Speaker 1: Them, and Valdez want to check it out.
Speaker 2: He did, being the patrol leader. He apparently felt he
had to investigate, so he approached the lights alone, telling
his men to wait back, and.
Speaker 1: His men watched him. What did they see?
Speaker 2: Their testimony is pretty consistent and frankly terrifying. They saw
Valdez walk towards lights, get close, and then he just
seemed to vanish, like he was absorbed or enveloped by
the light itself.
Speaker 1: He disappeared. What did Valdez himself remember?
Speaker 2: His own recollection was apparently one of intense disorientation, confusion,
maybe even blacking out. He didn't have a clear memory
of what happened while.
Speaker 1: He was gone, and how long was he gone for?
From his men's perspective.
Speaker 2: That's the crucial part. For the seven men watching the
whole event, him walking toward wards lights, disappearing, and then
reappearing lasted only a few minutes, maybe fifteen minutes at most.
Speaker 1: According to report, fifteen minutes.
Speaker 2: But for Valdez it was vastly different when he reappeared
stumbling back towards his squad just moments later. From their
point of view, he showed clear physical signs of a
much longer time having passed for him, like what he
had five days worth of beard growth, heavy stubble that
wasn't there fifteen minutes earlier. And even stranger, the calendar
date on his wristwatch at advanced by five days. It
showed a date five days into the future.
Speaker 1: Whoa So he somehow experienced five full days while only
fifteen minutes passed for everyone else.
Speaker 2: That's what the physical evidence suggested. Five days of biological
time beard growth, a mechanical time his watch had passed
for him, compressed into just minutes of external objective time
for his squad.
Speaker 1: That's a serious time warp, Like a localized bubble of
distorted space time created by those lights.
Speaker 2: It strongly suggests that, yes, his subjective experience of time
was completely decoupled from the objective reality of his surroundings.
A localized temporal distortion field may be generated by whatever
those violet lights were.
Speaker 1: And what did Valdes say when he came back? Was
he okay?
Speaker 2: He was apparently on the verge of collapse, totally disoriented,
and he uttered this really ominous, almost program sounding phrase.
He said, you don't know who we are or where
we come from, but we will be back soon.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like someone explaining what happened. It sounds
like a delivered message.
Speaker 2: It does almost like a warning or a statement implanted
during his missing five days, delivered in a state of
shock upon his return.
Speaker 1: Now, the sources mentioned Chile specifically as being a major
hotspot for UFO activity White Chile.
Speaker 2: Well, Chile's geography is pretty unique. The northern part is
the Atacama Desert, one of the driest, most desolate places
on Earth. Huge stretches are virtually unpopulated with very little
radar coverage, okay, remote desert. And then the southern part
of Chile is this incredibly complex maze of fiords, glaciers,
remote islands, also largely uninhabited and very difficult to monitor
or even.
Speaker 1: Navigate, lots of places to hide.
Speaker 2: Exactly if you were, say, an advanced group needing a
secure place to operate, maybe set up bases, conduct activities
without being easily detected by modern surveillance, these vast empty
regions of Chile would be absolutely ideal. You could potentially
operate there for centuries without anyone noticing.
Speaker 1: This recurring theme keeps popping up, doesn't it that maybe
these visitors, these intelligences there aren't aliens from other stars,
but actually humans from our own future.
Speaker 2: It leads directly to what some call the identity crisis
within the euphology. Are we dealing with et or time travelers?
Speaker 1: And this brings us to maybe the most controversial claim
in our sources today, the Kingman incident and this figure
called j Rod.
Speaker 2: Right now We need to be clear here. This story
relies heavily on whistleblower testimony, not necessarily hard independently verified
evidence like some military reports.
Speaker 1: Understood, So what's the basic story?
Speaker 2: It centers on an alleged crash of some kind of
craft near Kingman, Arizona, back in May nineteen fifty three.
The set up is classic Cold War UFO lore, a crash,
military retrieval, and then secret study at a hidden facility.
Speaker 1: Okay, standard stuff, So far, where does j rod come in?
Speaker 2: The core information really surfaces decades later in nineteen ninety eight,
and a man named Bill Hus, described as a retired
military engineer, supposedly came forward and his claim was Lewis
alleged that the US military had recovered not just wreckage,
but a living occupant from the Kingman crash, and that
this being an alien entity, was alive and actively assisting
scientists at a secret lap.
Speaker 1: Where is this lab supposed to be in.
Speaker 2: The Papouse Mountains right near the infamous Area fifty one
complex in Nevada And.
Speaker 1: This living alien? What was it like and why?
Speaker 2: J rod UI's described it as having insectoid features and
it was apparently given the designation or nickname Jayrod.
Speaker 1: And insectoid alien helping the military. What was its role
supposed to be?
Speaker 2: J Rod was allegedly crucial in helping the scientists understand
and potentially duplicate the incredibly advanced propulsion system and technology
recovered from the crashed craft, technology that seemed light years
ahead of anything we had. Jyrod was the key to
reverse engineering it.
Speaker 1: Okay, so far it sounds like a standard, if dramatic
alien contact story. But then there's a twist, right involving
another whistleblower.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is where microbiologist Dan Bursch enters the picture.
Bersch later came forward essentially confirming you as his account
about j Rod in the Secret Lab, but he added
a truly stunning piece of information something Jayrod supposedly revealed.
Speaker 1: What was the revelation?
Speaker 2: J Rod, according to Bersch, claimed he was not an
alien from another planet.
Speaker 1: He wasn't then what was he?
Speaker 2: He was allegedly a human, but a human from Earth's
very distant future, a.
Speaker 1: Future human looking like an insectoid. How did that happen?
Speaker 2: Again, this is all based on the testimony, but Jayrod
reportedly explained that sometime in our near future, a massive
catastrophe occurs, something environmental or maybe nuclear, is not entirely clear,
but it devastates humanity.
Speaker 1: Okay, a future catastrophe, and.
Speaker 2: This catastrophe forces the human species to basically split into
different survival groups. One group remains on the surface or
finds ways to adapt there, but another group is forced
to go deep underground to.
Speaker 1: Survive underground for how long?
Speaker 2: For potentially thousands, maybe tens of thousands of years, and
living underground for generation after generation, adapting to low light,
recycled air, different environmental pressures. This group supposedly evolves.
Speaker 1: Evolves into the insectoid form, the large eyes, the slender bodies.
Speaker 2: That was the explanation given the classic gray alien or
insectoid physiology wasn't extraterrestrial, but rather the result of long
term subterranean human evolution driven by adapting to a post
catastrophe environment. Large eyes for dim light, maybe changes in
skin metabolism, even cranial capacity.
Speaker 1: So our own environment, or the lack of our natural
environment is what supposedly created this form.
Speaker 2: That's the core of the claim. Necessity driven by catastrophe
altered our physical form over vast stretches of time spent underground.
Speaker 1: What's really wild is how this story then gets connected
to ancient myths.
Speaker 2: Yes, the proponents of this narrative draw a direct line
to the created myths and legends of several Native American
tribes in the Southwest, particularly the Hope, but also the
Zuni Andamajo.
Speaker 1: They talk about the ant people right exactly.
Speaker 2: The Hope cosmology, for example, describes multiple worlds or epochs
of existence, and their legends state that during the catastrophic
transition between the Third World and the current Fourth World,
uh huh, when the surface of the Earth was ravaged,
maybe by fire, maybe by ice, humans couldn't survive up there.
The myths say they had to take refuge underground for
a long time.
Speaker 1: Who did they live with underground?
Speaker 2: They lived with the ant people, beings who helped them
survive beneath the surface until it was safe to return
the Ant people.
Speaker 1: The visual connection to the insectoid Jrod is pretty striking.
Speaker 2: It is, and it raises that fascinating question. Is the
Jrod story just a modern techno myth borrowing ancient themes,
or could these ancient legends actually be a kind of
folk memory not of aliens guiding us, but maybe of
our own ancestors or future descendants surviving a cyclical catastrophe,
confirming this potential future path.
Speaker 1: The ant people weren't visitors, they were us adapted for
underground survival.
Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the possibility that ancient myths are
confirmation of our own inevitable, cyclical, or perhaps altered future.
It's a mind bending proposition, it really is.
Speaker 1: And if these future humans are coming back trying to
interact or maybe fix things, what kind of technology allows
them to do that, to manipulate time and space.
Speaker 2: Well, the incredible irony, according to our sources, is that
the blueprints for exactly that kind of reality bending technology
might have actually been laid out over a century ago. Yeah,
and then deliberately suppressed.
Speaker 1: Which brings us inevitably to Nikola Tesla. When you really
look at his work, especially his biggest dream, global wireless power,
it feels like he wasn't just ahead of his time,
he seemed to be operating on a completely different timeline.
Speaker 2: I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah, absolutely, Just look
at the modern context for a perspective. It was only
in two thousand and seven, relatively recently, that researchers at
MIT made headlines.
Speaker 1: What did they do?
Speaker 2: They managed to safely transmit electrical power wirelessly across a
room about seven feet, and this was presented as a
huge breakthrough, a first step towards quote, cutting the power cord.
Speaker 1: Okay, seven feet in two thousand and seven, right.
Speaker 2: Now, compare that to Tesla over one hundred years earlier.
He didn't just envision cutting the cord. He envisioned a
world where all electrical devices everywhere were automatically powered all
the time. No wires, no batteries, no charging needed.
Speaker 1: That's a completely different scale of thinking. And he didn't
just think it. He actually demonstrated this was possible, didn't.
Speaker 2: He He absolutely did. Between eighteen ninety nine and nineteen hundred,
he set up this massive experimental station out in Colorado Springs.
He built a huge device called a magnifying transmitter.
Speaker 1: And what was he testing.
Speaker 2: He was testing his theory that you could send substantial
amounts of electrical power over very long distances wirelessly, using
the Earth itself in the atmosphere's conductors, with minimal loss.
Speaker 1: Did it work?
Speaker 2: The accounts are astonishing. He apparently proved it worked. The
most famous story is he had his assistant back at
the station throw the main switch, sending power out. Tesla
himself then walked about four miles away into the empty prairie.
He took ordinary incandescent light bulbs and just stuck them
directly into the earth.
Speaker 1: And they lit up four miles away with no wires.
Speaker 2: Instantly brightly. He'd shown that the Earth could act as
a giant conductor that you could tap into electrical energy
transmitted wirelessly through the ground. But he kept the exact
mechanics the tuning incredibly secret. Even his closest assistance didn't
know the full details.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he proves wireless power transmission as possible, and
this leads to his most ambitious project, Wardencliffe Tower.
Speaker 2: Exactly Wardencliffe was meant to be the culmination of this research.
In nineteen oh one, he managed to secure a significant
amount of funding one hundred and fifty thousand dollars from
the biggest financier of the age, JP Morgan.
Speaker 1: What did Morgan think he was funding?
Speaker 2: Morgan thought he was investing in a powerful transatlantic radio
communication station, something to compete with Marconi send messages across
the ocean.
Speaker 1: That Tesla had bigger.
Speaker 2: Plans, Oh much bigger. He used the money to build
this enormous tower complex on Long Island, New York. The
tower itself was huge, one hundred and eighty seven feet tall,
but it also had this incredibly deep foundation, going one
hundred and twenty feet underground, filled with conductive materials.
Speaker 1: What was the real purpose of Wardencliffe?
Speaker 2: Tesla saw it as the first node in a global system.
He planned to build several of these towers around the world.
They wouldn't just transmit radio signals. They would pump vast
amounts of electrical energy into the Earth's resonant cavity To
do what to create a standing wave of energy that
could be tapped into anywhere on the planet wirelessly for
free universal power for everyone. He even dreamed this system
could be used to communicate with or send power to
other planets.
Speaker 1: Free universal wireless power. That sounds revolutionary, So why don't
we have it? What happened to Wardencliffe?
Speaker 2: It ended tragically. By nineteen oh four, JP Morgan figured
out Tesla's true intention wasn't just radio, it was free energy.
He immediately pulled all further funding.
Speaker 1: Why because you can't put a meter on free energy.
Speaker 2: That seems to be the consensus. Yes, Morgan and his
associates were heavily invested in building centralized power plants, stringing
expensive copper wires everywhere, and charging customers for every kill
what hour used. That was their business model.
Speaker 1: And Tesla's system would have completely bypassed that completely.
Speaker 2: It would have destroyed the entire electrical utility industry before
it even got properly started. Free unmetered energy was financial
anathma to them. The project was abandoned by nineteen oh eight,
and the tower itself was sadly demolished in nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 1: So corporate interests essentially suppressed a technology that could have
changed the world.
Speaker 2: That's the strong argument made by many historians. The control
of the world's end energy future was potentially decided right
there based on profit motives rather than global benefit.
Speaker 1: It just makes you wonder, how did one person Tesla
come up with these ideas that are still radical today.
Where did his genius come from?
Speaker 2: That's the mystery surrounding Tesla. He himself often credited his
inventions to this incredible ability. He had to visualize them
completely in his.
Speaker 1: Mind, like mental blueprints.
Speaker 2: More than that, he had what's called an idetic or
photographic memory. He claimed he could build, test, and refine
complex machines entirely in his imagination, seen them operate in
almost holographic detail. He could mentally rotate them, disassemble them,
run diagnostics, all without ever drawing a sketch.
Speaker 1: So the rotating magnetic field for the AC motor his
big breakthrough.
Speaker 2: He claimed it came to him in a sudden, complete
flash of insight while walking in a park. The entire
concept fully formed.
Speaker 1: But he took it even further, didn't He He didn't
think these ideas were entirely his.
Speaker 2: No, he had a very unusual philosophy about invention. He
strongly believed that humans were essentially just receivers biological antennas,
if you will, receivers for what for external impulses. He
felt that all great ideas, all creative sparks, didn't originate
from within our own minds, from dreams or internal thought processes.
They came from outside. H Where outside He wasn't always specific,
but he sometimes alluded to a core or source of
knowledge in the universe. He viewed humans almost like highly complex,
self propelled robots, simply reacting to these intelligent stimuli from
the cosmos.
Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds pretty esoteric.
Speaker 2: It does, and this is exactly where ancient astronaut theorists
jump in. They look at Tesla's descriptions, the flashes of
light accompanying his ideas, the overwhelming intuition, the complete technical
plans appearing in his mind, and they suggest this is
evidence that Tesla wasn't just having internal brain waves. They
proposed he was actively receiving information, downloading it, essentially.
Speaker 1: Receiving it from where an other worldly source, a cosmic database.
Speaker 2: That's the theory that there's some kind of universal knowledge
base may be maintained by advanced intelligence, and Tesla perhaps
uniquely was tuned into it. The complete plans were beamed
directly into his mind because he was receptive.
Speaker 1: Did Tesla himself believe he could tune in?
Speaker 2: He absolutely did. He spoke about a repository of knowledge
existing somewhere out there, and he believed that all of
humanity could potentially access it if only they knew how
to quote properly tune their mind.
Speaker 1: And did he claim he ever did tune in successfully,
like got a clear signal?
Speaker 2: Yes. This is the most controversial part in July eighteen
ninety nine, while he was out in Colorado Springs conducting
those experiments with this incredibly sensitive magnifying transmitter.
Speaker 1: The device he used to track lightning storms hundreds of
miles away exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was so sensitive. He claimed that one night,
amidst the static from distant storms, he picked up something else,
something artificial, rhythmic.
Speaker 1: What did he hear?
Speaker 2: He reported hearing three distinct, very clear beats in a
mathematical sequence like BP or just one two three, consistent.
Speaker 1: Repeating, not natural static.
Speaker 2: He was convinced it wasn't natural. After ruling out terrestrial
interference and known celestial phenomena, he concluded the signals had
to be originating from space, from off planet.
Speaker 1: And where do you think they came from?
Speaker 2: Well, Mars happened to be making one of its close
approaches to Earth around that time, something that happens roughly
every one point eight years. So Tesla became absolutely convinced
the signals were coming from Mars. Intelligent signals from Martians.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so he thought he'd made contact.
Speaker 2: He did. Now, modern astronomers might suggest other possibilities, you know,
maybe early detection of pulsars or other natural cosmic radio
sources that weren't understood then, but Tesla took it as
proof of intelligent.
Speaker 1: Life, and this led him to develop a pretty radical
theory about Earth's history right, a.
Speaker 2: Very radical theory based on interpreting these signals and maybe
other insights he felt he received. Tesla came to believe
that an extraterrestrial presence hadn't just contacted Earth, but had
actually been here for potentially millennia, secretly observing, maybe even
controlling or guiding human development from the very beginning.
Speaker 1: That's a huge claim. Did he keep it to himself?
Speaker 2: No, and that was perhaps his biggest mistake professionally speaking.
He went public with it in nineteen oh one. He
published an article in a major magazine, Colliers Weekly, titled
Talking with the Planets, where he laid out his belief
in Martian communication.
Speaker 1: How did people react?
Speaker 2: Badly? This public proclamation, combined with the fact that he
already had powerful enemies like JP Morgan and Thomas Edison
who were eager to undermine him. Yeah, it give them
the perfect ammunition.
Speaker 1: They used it to discredit him mercilessly.
Speaker 2: They painted him as eccentric, unreliable, a mad scientist talking
to Mars. This narrative stuck, and.
Speaker 1: It overshadowed his actual scientific contributions absolutely.
Speaker 2: It helped ensure that his truly revolutionary ideas, things like
his insights that anticipated quantum physics seeing light as both
wave and particle modeling atoms like many solar systems, were
largely dismissed or ignored by the mainstream scientific community at
the time, even.
Speaker 1: Though other scientists later won Nobel Prizes for developing those
exact same ideas.
Speaker 2: Precisely, his association with the Martian signals and his feuds
effectively sidelined him, costing him his rightful place in the
history of twentieth century physics. It's quite tragic, really, but.
Speaker 1: Being discredited didn't necessarily mean he stopped working, did it.
The sources mentioned documents stuff preserved in the Nicola Tesla
Museum in Belgrade, Serbia.
Speaker 2: That's right. These documents offered glimpses into his later work,
things he pursued more secretly after the Warning Cliff disaster
and the public ridicule, and they suggest he continued down
some very.
Speaker 1: Exotic paths, like what specifically.
Speaker 2: Specifically work on what seems to be a fly machine
based on completely unconventional principles anti gravity.
Speaker 1: Essentially, Tesla worked on anti gravity.
Speaker 2: The documents suggest he started seriously developing these ideas around
nineteen ten onwards. He wasn't talking about wings and propellers.
He was focused on what we might now call field propulsion.
Field propulsion.
Speaker 1: What's that.
Speaker 2: It's the idea of using powerful electromagnetic fields to interact
with the ambient environment and maybe the Earth's gravitational field,
maybe the quantum vacuum. The theories vary. To generate lift
and thrust without expelling any mass like a rocket does.
Speaker 1: So, using electricity to create lift directly.
Speaker 2: That was his theory. He believed that by applying extremely
high voltages and frequencies in the right way, you could
counteract gravity or create a propulsive force. He talked repeatedly
in the twenties and thirties about these potential anti gravity ships.
Speaker 1: What were they supposed to be like?
Speaker 2: His descriptions are fascinating. They would be entirely electric, drawing
power wirelessly from his broadcast towers. Remember, they'd have no wings,
no jets, no propellers. They'd use these powerful electromagnetic fields
to move, allowing for incredible maneuverability, silent.
Speaker 1: Flight, silent wingless lie electrically powered craft that defy gravity
sounds awfully familiar.
Speaker 2: It sounds remarkably like many modern UFO reports, doesn't it,
And it also echoes descriptions from much much.
Speaker 1: Older texts like the vaimanas from ancient India.
Speaker 2: Exactly the ancient Indian epics like the Mahaparata and the
Ramayana contain these detailed descriptions of vimanas, often translated as
flying chariots or flying machines used by the.
Speaker 1: Gods, and how are they described?
Speaker 2: They were described as being able to fly through the air,
hover maneuver effortlessly, sometimes travel between worlds. Some texts even
mentioned power sources and control mechanisms that sound surprisingly technical,
not just mythical. The parallels to Tesla's anti gravity concepts
are striking.
Speaker 1: So the idea is maybe Tesla wasn't just inventing something new,
but rediscovering or tapping into an ancient lost technology, a
technology described in myth.
Speaker 2: That's certainly connection many researchers make. It makes his mad
scientist ideas about anti gravity seem potentially less mad and
more or as dangerously advanced.
Speaker 1: For his time, and as advanced thinking wasn't just limited
to propulsion, was it, he also conceived of advanced weaponry.
Speaker 2: Yes, directed energy weapons. This leads to another startling modern parallel.
Fast forward to February twenty fourteen, an Israeli defence company,
Raphael Advanced Defense Systems unveils a new weapon system.
Speaker 1: What was it?
Speaker 2: Called the Iron Beam. It's a high energy laser defense system.
Its purpose is to shoot down incoming threats like rockets, drones,
mortar shells, even small aircraft by hitting them with a powerful,
focused beam of laser energy.
Speaker 1: A beam of energy used as a weapon.
Speaker 2: It sounds almost exactly like a concept Tesl talked about
extensively back in the nineteen twenties and thirties. He called
it his teleforce weapon, but the press nicknamed it the death.
Speaker 1: Ray Tesla's Deathray. What was it supposed to do?
Speaker 2: He described a weapon that could project a concentrated beam
of particles or energy over hundreds of miles, capable of
melting airplane engines or detonating munitions instantly. Shield He claimed
that could make war impossible.
Speaker 1: But back then the military wasn't interested.
Speaker 2: At the time, the US government, particularly in the run
up to World War Two, was far more invested in
the potential destructive power of nuclear fission, backing Einstein in
Oppenheimer's path towards the atomic bomb. Tesla's beam weapon concepts
were seen as maybe too complex to futuristic, or perhaps
just less overtly offensive.
Speaker 1: And now, almost a century later, directed energy weapons like
the iron beam are becoming a reality seen as essential
for modern defense.
Speaker 2: The irony is palpable, isn't it. The very type of
focused energy weapon Tesla proposed dismissed back then is now
cutting edge. It really makes you wonder about his foresight.
Speaker 1: Did he know these things were coming? Could he somehow
see the future? You mentioned time viewing technology.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no concrete proof he develops a time viewer,
but his famous quote definitely resonates with that idea. He said,
the present is theirs. The future for which I have
really worked is mine.
Speaker 1: That sounds incredibly confident, almost prophetic.
Speaker 2: It does it suggests he felt his work wasn't just
for his own time, but was laying groundwork for technologies
that would only be truly understood and utilized much later.
It feeds into that idea of him having a connection
to something more, a higher agenda.
Speaker 1: Perhaps this is where the avatar theory comes in.
Speaker 2: Yes, some proponents go quite far, suggesting Tesla wasn't just
a genius inventor, but maybe an avatar, an enlightened being,
almost like an instrument sent here with a specific purpose.
Speaker 1: Sent by whom extraterrestrials future humans, a higher intelligence.
Speaker 2: The theories vary, but the core idea is that he
was sent or guided by some external advanced intelligence to
see humanity with revolutionary technologies, to push our evolution forward.
That he was a uniquely receptive channel for this higher
cosmic knowledge.
Speaker 1: And if that was the mission, what would the world
look like if it had succeeded. If Tesla's technologies had
been embraced.
Speaker 2: It's staggering to contemplate. We could be living in a
radically different world. Imagine free, clean, wireless energy available everywhere,
no more fossil fuels, no energy scarcity. His energy tech
could potentially desalinate ocean water, easily solving global water crises.
We might have anti gravity cracked, making space travel routine.
Some even speculate his work hinted at teleportation possibilities. It
sounds like a true Golden Age.
Speaker 1: Abundance, clean energy, easy travel. It sounds utopian, it.
Speaker 2: Does, but the stark reality is we don't live in
that world. Wardencliffe stands as a ruin. His funding was cut,
his most radical ideas were suppressed or ridiculed.
Speaker 1: So what does that imply if he was sent on
a mission.
Speaker 2: It implies one to two things. Really, Either the powerful
terrestrial forces with the corporate, financial and military interests of
the early twentieth century were successful in completely thwarting that mission,
prioritizing control and profit over planetary advancement. Or perhaps the
higher intelligence, the force that supposedly sent him or guided him,
ultimately didn't achieve its goal. Maybe humanity wasn't ready, or
maybe the opposition was just too strong. Either way, the
potential Golden Age remains unrealized. Hashtag tag outro.
Speaker 1: Wow, we have covered an incredible amount of ground today.
It's been quite a journey. We started with theoretical physics
talking about needing the energy of Jupiter just to maybe
bend space.
Speaker 2: Uh the sheer scale of wormhole creation.
Speaker 1: Then we jumped into these chilling military encounters cases from
Rendelsham to Chile that strongly hint at actual temporal shifts,
time distortions, and maybe even contact with well future humans.
Speaker 2: People experiencing missing time, receiving binary codes, the physical effects.
It's compelling data, even if hard to definitively prove.
Speaker 1: And finally we ended up looking at Nikola Tesla, a
genius seemingly centuries ahead of his time, whose world changing
technologies for free energy and maybe even anti gravity were
apparently suppressed by powerful financial.
Speaker 2: Interests, and the claims that his genius is self might
have stemmed from some kind of external cosmic connection. It
ties everything together in a really provocative way.
Speaker 1: So when you put all these pieces together, the physics,
the encounters, the suppressed tech, what's the big takeaway?
Speaker 2: Well, whether you personally lean towards believing these encounters are
solid proof of, you know, celestial visitors or maybe highly
evolve future versions of ourselves, or if you think they're
just misinterpretations of complex natural or maybe advanced terrestrial phenomena,
the sheer consistency you find in the narratives is really striking.
You see similar themes echoing across ancient myths showing up
in these modern, often classified military reports, and even reflected
to the suppressed work of a twentieth century visionary like Tesla,
that consistency raises a really important point, especially given the
challenges we face today.
Speaker 1: Challenges like energy crises, climate change, global instability.
Speaker 2: Exactly we're facing potentially existential threats. So the final question becomes,
if the theoretical knowledge, the inner requirements, the technological hurdles
needed to achieve things like time travel, anti gravity, unlimited
clean power, if these things are actually known, at least
in principle, and if there are forces out there, whether
there are future cells trying to nudge us, or maybe
some external entities observing or intervening, or even just powerful
human groups hoarding secret knowledge, if these forces are interacting
with our timeline, and what then what is the single
most important piece of knowledge or maybe the critical shift
in perspective that humanity needs right now today to finally
break free from the limitations of our current reality, to
escape these cycles of conflict and scarcity and actually step
into that potential future that Tesla and perhaps others envisioned.
Speaker 1: That really is the ultimate question to leave people with.
Isn't it is the real barrier the technology itself, or
is it something deeper, our inability to perhaps accept a
reality where energy could be free, where time isn't strictly linear,
and where our potential is far greater than we currently
allow ourselves to believe.
Speaker 2: That's the thought to ponder what's truly holding us back.