1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Imagine looking up at the night sky, you point to 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:06,360 the nearest star system outside our own little solar neighborhood 3 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,080 proximusry right, it's four point two light years away. So 4 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:13,839 the light you're seeing tonight actually left that star four 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,880 point two years ago. 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: It's quite a distance, it really is. 7 00:00:16,879 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 1: And Okay, say you could somehow just instantly accelerate to 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,160 the speed of light. That's what one hundred and eighty 9 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:27,760 six thousand miles per second, insane speed, unimaginable. Yeah, even then, 10 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:29,719 it would still take you four point two years to 11 00:00:29,719 --> 00:00:32,479 cover that distance. Four years minimum just for the commute. 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: Makes interstellar travel seem well functionally impossible for us, doesn't it, 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:38,600 given the physics we know exactly? 14 00:00:38,759 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: But what if the real constraint isn't the speed of 15 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,840 our ship. What if it's the actual shape of the 16 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,600 universe itself. What if we didn't have to, you know, 17 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,840 travel the distance at all. What if we could just 18 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:49,880 bypass the journey entirely? 19 00:00:50,119 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 2: And that is the really profound question right at the 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,439 heart of today's deep dive. We're stepping into the realm 21 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:58,320 of well reality bending. 22 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: Physics, where time might not be linear and space is 23 00:01:01,039 --> 00:01:04,640 Maybe this malleable substance just waiting to be folded precisely. 24 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,439 Speaker 2: We're digging into sources that look at these theoretical shortcuts 25 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,840 through the cosmos, and then we'll pivot to some fascinating 26 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:13,400 historical military. 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,239 Speaker 1: Encounters, encounters that suggest someone or maybe something somewhere has 28 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,239 already figured out how to use these. 29 00:01:20,079 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 2: Shortcuts exactly, potentially allowing for you know, nonlinear time travel. 30 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:25,959 Things get really strange there. 31 00:01:26,159 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 1: And then finally we'll try to connect those ideas to 32 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,400 the really remarkable and some say suppressed advanced technology of 33 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:36,560 visionary genius, whose. 34 00:01:36,359 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 2: Work like a century ago might have laid out the 35 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:40,719 blueprints for tomorrow. 36 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,599 Speaker 1: The stakes here feel pretty critical because if shortcuts through 37 00:01:43,599 --> 00:01:47,400 space are possible, well, then shortcuts through time might be 38 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:48,359 possible too, And. 39 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: That raises this huge fundamental question that just runs through 40 00:01:51,719 --> 00:01:53,200 all the source material we looked at. 41 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: Are the visitors, these phenomena we sometimes observe, are they 42 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:00,799 from distant star systems way across the galaxy. 43 00:02:00,879 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: Are they perhaps just our own, distant, maybe unrecognizable future selves. 44 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,239 It really forces us to kind of redefine the whole 45 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,000 concept of alien Maybe it's not extraterrestrial, but extra temporal 46 00:02:11,439 --> 00:02:12,240 from another time. 47 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Let's start with the geometry of 48 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:20,439 the universe itself and the ultimate theoretical shortcut. Right, So 49 00:02:20,599 --> 00:02:23,680 to even think about bypassing distance, we have to start 50 00:02:23,719 --> 00:02:26,840 with the basic theory that suggests it's even possible that 51 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,080 takes us to the Einstein rosenbridge. 52 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 2: It does. We're looking at Princeton, New Jersey, July nineteen 53 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:36,120 thirty five. That's where Albert Einstein and Nathan Rosen they 54 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,639 were working together at the Institute for Advanced Study, and 55 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:41,599 they published this really a groundbreaking paper. It came right 56 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:43,680 out of the general theory of relativity. 57 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:44,879 Speaker 1: And what was the big takeaway? 58 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: Well, their conclusion was pretty radical. They basically said, the 59 00:02:48,599 --> 00:02:51,719 geometry of the universe doesn't strictly demand linear travel, you know, 60 00:02:51,719 --> 00:02:53,400 point A to point B in a straight line. 61 00:02:53,439 --> 00:02:53,759 Speaker 1: Uh huh. 62 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: Instead, relativity allows for these shortcuts right across the space 63 00:02:58,439 --> 00:03:01,719 time continuum, so that the fabric of reality itself could 64 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:03,199 be well deformable. 65 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: These shortcuts, they initially called them Einstein roads and bridges, 66 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:09,000 didn't they But now we just call them wormholes. 67 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,159 Speaker 2: That's the term we use today. Yeah, yeah, worm holes. 68 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,840 The basic concept sounds simple, almost intuitive, maybe, but the 69 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:18,879 actual mechanics are anything that's simple. 70 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: So what's the standard way to visualize this? I always 71 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:23,599 hear the paper analogy. 72 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 2: Right, The paper analogy is helpful, but you have to 73 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,919 remember its limits. So imagine space time not as just 74 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:33,439 empty space, but as this four dimensional manifold. 75 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:35,919 Speaker 1: Which is already hard to picture it is. 76 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:39,039 Speaker 2: So let's simplify. Picture it like a flexible, flat, two 77 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,080 dimensional piece of paper. Now, if you want to get 78 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,520 from point A to point B on that paper, you 79 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:45,840 just travel across the surface right, the long way, a 80 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,080 long way. But what if you could curve that paper 81 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,599 around using the third dimension and then basically punch a 82 00:03:51,639 --> 00:03:54,759 hole or create a tunnel connecting point A directly to 83 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,159 point b. 84 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,199 Speaker 1: Ah, So you skip the journey across the surface exactly. 85 00:03:58,199 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: You've drastically cut the travel distance in time. That connection, 86 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,919 that sort of tunneler throat through the higher dimension. That 87 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,360 is the wormhole. It's a structure made by an extreme 88 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,800 bending and folding of space itself. 89 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds like the perfect fix for interstellar travel. 90 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,639 Like problem solved. But there's always a catch, isn't there? 91 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,759 Speaker 2: There's a massive catch. Yes, the theoretical possibility runs smack 92 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,360 into a huge practical problem. This brings us to the 93 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,879 energy barrier and this weird concept of exotic matter. 94 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: Exotic matter. 95 00:04:31,879 --> 00:04:36,399 Speaker 2: Okay, right, So while relativity allows wormhole solutions to exist, mathematically, 96 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,519 creating one that's actually traversible, you know, one you could 97 00:04:39,519 --> 00:04:41,920 fly a ship through without it instantly collapsing under its 98 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:43,879 own gravity. That's the immense challenge. 99 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 1: So it's not just making the curve, it's keeping the 100 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:46,480 tunnel open. 101 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 2: Precisely. You need to prop the throat of the wormhole 102 00:04:49,759 --> 00:04:52,680 open against these colossal gravitational forces that are trying to 103 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:53,319 crush it shut. 104 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,959 Speaker 1: And that's where this exotic matter comes in. What even 105 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:56,279 is it? 106 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 2: Well, that's the million dollar question, maybe trillion dollars. To 107 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:05,720 stabilize the wormhole, the theory demands something truly bizarre material 108 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:10,959 with negative mass or maybe more accurately, negative energy density. 109 00:05:11,079 --> 00:05:13,199 Speaker 1: Negative mass. How does that even work? 110 00:05:13,319 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 2: Well, think about normal matter, positive mass, It pulls things 111 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:20,399 together with gravity, right, This exotic matter would do the opposite. 112 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,839 It would exert a kind of anti gravity pushing outward 113 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,319 on the wormhole throat, keeping it from collapsing. 114 00:05:26,759 --> 00:05:29,079 Speaker 1: Does that stuff actually exist? Have we ever seen it. 115 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,199 Speaker 2: Not directly. No, we're only aware of matter with positive mass, 116 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,839 the kind that makes up you, me, planet stars, This 117 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,759 exotic matter, this key ingredient is purely theoretical right now. 118 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,240 We haven't confirmed it exists, let alone figured out how 119 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:43,000 to make or find it. 120 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:45,519 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's hurdle number one. And even if we 121 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,079 could somehow make this stuff, you mentioned an energy. 122 00:05:47,759 --> 00:05:52,399 Speaker 2: Barrier, Oh yeah, the energy scales involved are just astronomical, mind. 123 00:05:52,199 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: Boggling, Like, how much energy are we talking? 124 00:05:54,319 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: The estimates are staggering. We're not talking about, you know, 125 00:05:57,639 --> 00:06:00,800 running a city's power grid. Scientist fic that to create 126 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,839 and sustain just one macroscopic traversible wormhole, maybe just big 127 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:09,319 enough for a small probe, you'd need energy equivalent to 128 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,759 converting the entire mass of the planet Jupiter completely into 129 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,279 energy EMC squared applied to Jupiter. 130 00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 1: The entire mass of Jupiter that I can't even comprehend 131 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:20,759 that number. 132 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: It's millions, maybe billions of times more powerful than any 133 00:06:24,199 --> 00:06:27,680 nuclear weapon ever detonated. And on top of that, the 134 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:31,480 tidal forces inside the wormhole's throat would be so intense 135 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,600 that without this negative energy stuff pushing back anything trying 136 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:39,000 to pass through would just be ripped apart, instantly spaghettified. 137 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 1: Right. Okay, so creating them ourselves seems pretty much off 138 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:45,199 the table for now, maybe forever. 139 00:06:44,959 --> 00:06:46,399 Speaker 2: For the foreseeable future certainly. 140 00:06:46,439 --> 00:06:48,759 Speaker 1: So that leads to the next logical question. Then, what 141 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,600 if we didn't have to create them? What if nature 142 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:52,399 already did the really hard work for us. 143 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 2: Ah, Now that's a fascinating line of thought. This leads 144 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,319 to an alternative theory explored by physicists, including folks at 145 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:00,839 Vanderbilt University back. 146 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: In the early nineties, and their idea was. 147 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 2: That maybe wormholes formed naturally right at the very beginning 148 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:09,199 during the Big Bang, the Big Bang. How well, think 149 00:07:09,199 --> 00:07:11,879 about the conditions back then. Yeah, the moment of the 150 00:07:11,959 --> 00:07:17,639 universe's creation was pure chaos. Space time itself was being stretched, compressed, 151 00:07:18,079 --> 00:07:24,560 mashed together, violently expanded, just unimaginable turbulence. Okay, this cosmic 152 00:07:24,639 --> 00:07:29,240 chaos might have caused wormholes to just pop into existence 153 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:31,199 spontaneously billions of years ago. 154 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:34,319 Speaker 1: How would that work physically? The sources mentioned something about 155 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:35,240 stress fields. 156 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, the ideas you could have these incredibly intense stress 157 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,360 fields around huge concentrations of matter and energy. The analogy 158 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,120 used was like the stress generated by something the mass 159 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:47,399 of the Himalayas. Okay, if that stress field is strong enough, 160 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:50,879 the gravitational forces could literally mash the matter inside its 161 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:56,759 own event horizon, potentially pinching off and forming a tiny, infinitesimal. 162 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:58,079 Speaker 1: Wormhole, tiny like how tiny. 163 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: Microscopic like the size of an atom, maybe even smaller. 164 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:06,360 These are sometimes called primordial wormholes. They'd likely be unstable 165 00:08:06,519 --> 00:08:09,720 singularities on their own, but they'd be there little stars 166 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:11,120 left over from the universe's birth. 167 00:08:11,319 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 1: But an atom sized wormhole isn't very useful for travel. 168 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: Not initially, no, but think about what's been happening ever 169 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:18,079 since the Big Bang. 170 00:08:18,199 --> 00:08:21,399 Speaker 1: The universe has been expanding, stretching. 171 00:08:21,079 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 2: Exactly continuously expanding, stretching the very fabric of space time 172 00:08:25,759 --> 00:08:31,120 at incredible rates. So as space itself expands, these tiny 173 00:08:31,199 --> 00:08:34,600 primordial wormholes embedded within it would also get stretched. 174 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:36,879 Speaker 1: Ah they'd grow along with the universe. 175 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,679 Speaker 2: That's the theory. Over billions and billions of years of 176 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:44,919 cosmic expansion, these initially microscopic structures could theoretically grow to 177 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,440 become very large, maybe even stable and. 178 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:50,279 Speaker 1: Traversible, without needing us to pump in Jupiter's mass worth 179 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:50,759 of energy. 180 00:08:50,879 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: Potentially, yes, they'd just be natural features of the cosmos, 181 00:08:54,519 --> 00:08:57,879 formed long ago and expanded over eons. The challenge then 182 00:08:57,919 --> 00:08:58,799 shifts completely. 183 00:08:59,039 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: Instead of needing possible energy to create one, we just 184 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:05,879 need the smarts the technology to find one that nature 185 00:09:05,919 --> 00:09:07,159 already made and grew for. 186 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: Us precisely, which connects directly back to the idea of 187 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,960 advanced life or maybe even at advanced time. 188 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,879 Speaker 1: Right, because if these things exist naturally. 189 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, the universe 190 00:09:19,799 --> 00:09:24,679 might actually be littered with these natural shortcuts. Suddenly, interstellar travel, 191 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:29,279 maybe even inner temporal travel becomes possible without breaking known physics. 192 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:30,840 You just need the map. 193 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,799 Speaker 1: But that raises the really big question, if these shortcuts 194 00:09:34,799 --> 00:09:36,240 are out there, who. 195 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,240 Speaker 2: Might have found them first? And this is where our 196 00:09:38,279 --> 00:09:41,240 sources start to suggest that the occupants the uses of 197 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,519 these phenomena might not be coming from distant stars. 198 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: But from a distant point on our own timeline exactly. 199 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 2: And that's where the mind bending theoretical physics suddenly crashes 200 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:54,320 headlong into some really startling real world military reports. 201 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so that transition takes us right out of the 202 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,039 theoretical lab and into the the military incident files, and 203 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,000 we have to start with one of the most famous 204 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:08,840 cases involving alleged time distortion, the Rendalschump Forest incident. 205 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:11,919 Speaker 2: Right Suffolk, England, December nineteen eighty. 206 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: What happened there? 207 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 2: So this occurred right next to these twin NATO air bases, 208 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:21,360 RAF Woodbridge and RAF bent Waters. They were heavily used 209 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,159 by the US Air Force at the time. A security 210 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,240 unit including Airman John Burrows and Sergeant Jim Peniston, was 211 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:32,000 sent out to investigate some really strange multicolored lights seen 212 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,080 descending into the nearby Rendalsham Forest. Their first thought was 213 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:35,919 maybe a plane. 214 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: Crash, makes sense, but it wasn't a plane crash. 215 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 2: Was it definitely not And the atmospheric effects they described 216 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:45,080 are just bizarre. They reported the air feeling incredibly charged, 217 00:10:45,399 --> 00:10:47,759 like static electricity, but much stronger. 218 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: An electricity charged atmosphere. 219 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,759 Speaker 2: I think the report said, yes, exactly, and it got 220 00:10:51,879 --> 00:10:54,200 more intense the closer they got to whatever was emitting 221 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,840 the light. Servicemen actually described feeling the electricity on their skin, 222 00:10:58,200 --> 00:10:59,480 their hair standing on end. 223 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: Wow. And did this energy field affect anything else like 224 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,000 time itself? 225 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: That's the most extraordinary claim. Both Burrows and Peniston specifically 226 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,879 reported experiencing moments where everything was going in slow. 227 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,639 Speaker 1: Motions, slow motion like in a movie. 228 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 2: That's how they described it. Now, this wasn't just you know, 229 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,000 fear making things seem slow. They perceived it as an 230 00:11:23,039 --> 00:11:27,360 objective change, a sense that localized time had actually decelerated 231 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:27,840 around them. 232 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: Which could be a sign of being near a massive 233 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:32,279 energy field, right, something warping space time. 234 00:11:32,519 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: That's one interpretation. Absolutely yeah, it fits the theoretical profile 235 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,759 of extreme gravitational or energy effects. 236 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: And Sergeant Peniston he got closest, didn't he. What did 237 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:42,080 he see? 238 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 2: He reported seeing a craft triangular, maybe six or seven 239 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,919 feet high, completely black, totally silent. He was looking for 240 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,080 like USAF markings or something familiarly, but instead he saw 241 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,120 these streame symbols etched onto the side, about three feet 242 00:11:56,159 --> 00:11:59,879 long six inches high, pictorial glyphs or some kind of inscription, 243 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,240 not letters, not numbers. 244 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:04,919 Speaker 1: He recognized, okay, weird symbols. But then came the really 245 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,080 strange part, the core of this time anomaly claim. 246 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 2: Yes, when Pennison actually reached out and touched the service 247 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:15,679 of the craft, ran his hand over it. He said, 248 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,440 he experienced this sudden, jarring download of information directly into 249 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,679 his mind, like digital data. 250 00:12:22,799 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: A download what kind of information? 251 00:12:24,759 --> 00:12:29,159 Speaker 2: He described it as overwhelming, compelling. He was so shaken 252 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,679 by it that the very next day, feeling this intense, 253 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,559 confused urgency, he wrote down pages of zeros and ones. 254 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:37,519 Binary code. 255 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,399 Speaker 1: He just wrote down binary code. Did he know what 256 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:39,879 it meant? 257 00:12:40,039 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: Not at the time. No, He apparently kept it hidden 258 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,720 for years, didn't really understand it. 259 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: So what happened with the code? Did anyone ever figure 260 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:46,279 it out? 261 00:12:46,519 --> 00:12:49,759 Speaker 2: Years later? Yes, According to the accounts, a computer programmer 262 00:12:49,759 --> 00:12:52,600 eventually got hold of this binary sequence Peniston had recorded. 263 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:54,480 They ran it through translation software. 264 00:12:54,519 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: What did it say? 265 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 2: The message that reportedly emerged is just cryptic and chilling. 266 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,440 It read the exploration of humanity continuous for planetary advanced 267 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,759 eyes of your eyes Origin year eight thousand, one hundred, 268 00:13:06,919 --> 00:13:07,840 Origin year. 269 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: Eight thousand, one hundred. Wait, what does that mean? 270 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 2: That's the kicker, isn't it Origin year eight thousand, one hundred. 271 00:13:14,279 --> 00:13:17,879 If that translation is accurate, it completely flips the script. 272 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: It means they weren't from proximusentry exactly. 273 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,039 Speaker 2: It suggests they weren't extraterrestrial in the traditional sense, It 274 00:13:25,159 --> 00:13:28,799 points towards beings operating from a vastly different point on 275 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,519 our timeline, the future year eighty one hundred. 276 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: Peniston himself came to believe this right, that they were 277 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:35,840 time travelers. 278 00:13:35,919 --> 00:13:38,879 Speaker 2: He did. He later stated very clearly that he believed 279 00:13:38,879 --> 00:13:43,200 the beings associated with the craft were time travelers, humans 280 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,919 from maybe forty thousand or fifty thousand years in our future, and. 281 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:48,159 Speaker 1: They were coming back. Why. 282 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,759 Speaker 2: He felt they were coming back to observe, maybe too correct, 283 00:13:51,799 --> 00:13:55,039 things that had gone horribly wrong in our history, leading 284 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,720 to some future catastrophe. He explicitly called them future humans. 285 00:13:58,759 --> 00:14:01,639 Speaker 1: And this wasn't just a psychologue experience. Their physical effects too, 286 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:02,080 aren't there? 287 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, the reports are quite specific. Both Burrows and 288 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:10,080 Pennistons suffered lasting physical problems afterward, chronic issues with their throats, eyes, 289 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,240 even their gums turning white, persistent vision trouble. 290 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: And didn't a doctor ask Burrows about radiation exposure? 291 00:14:16,799 --> 00:14:20,919 Speaker 2: Yes, the symptoms were apparently consistent enough with radiation sickness 292 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,000 that a doctor specifically asked him if he'd been exposed 293 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,759 to radiation. Whatever that craft was, it was pumping out 294 00:14:27,799 --> 00:14:28,679 some serious. 295 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: Energy energy that could potentially warp time locally and have 296 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,200 biological effects. 297 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: It connects the subjective experience, the slow motion the download 298 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:41,840 to a measurable physical output. It suggests a technology operating 299 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,559 at energy levels far beyond anything we currently possess, perhaps 300 00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:48,240 tapping into that exotic matter or negative energy we talked 301 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:48,799 about earlier. 302 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: Okay, let's shift continents. Now different place, Chile, but a 303 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,679 potentially similar type of anomaly, the Valdez disappearance right. 304 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,679 Speaker 2: This happened in April nineteen seventy seven in the northern 305 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:00,919 Dead region of Chile. 306 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,159 Speaker 1: What was the scenario. 307 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:05,679 Speaker 2: Corporal Armando Valdez was leading a small military patrol, just 308 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,799 seven men in total. They were out in the desert 309 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,919 when they saw two bright violet colored lights descend maybe 310 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,320 five hundred yards away from. 311 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,919 Speaker 1: Them, and Valdez want to check it out. 312 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 2: He did, being the patrol leader. He apparently felt he 313 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,240 had to investigate, so he approached the lights alone, telling 314 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:22,799 his men to wait back, and. 315 00:15:22,879 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: His men watched him. What did they see? 316 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 2: Their testimony is pretty consistent and frankly terrifying. They saw 317 00:15:30,799 --> 00:15:35,960 Valdez walk towards lights, get close, and then he just 318 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,799 seemed to vanish, like he was absorbed or enveloped by 319 00:15:38,799 --> 00:15:39,519 the light itself. 320 00:15:39,559 --> 00:15:42,759 Speaker 1: He disappeared. What did Valdez himself remember? 321 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 2: His own recollection was apparently one of intense disorientation, confusion, 322 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:50,960 maybe even blacking out. He didn't have a clear memory 323 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:51,919 of what happened while. 324 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,759 Speaker 1: He was gone, and how long was he gone for? 325 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:56,240 From his men's perspective. 326 00:15:55,799 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: That's the crucial part. For the seven men watching the 327 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,559 whole event, him walking toward wards lights, disappearing, and then 328 00:16:01,639 --> 00:16:05,480 reappearing lasted only a few minutes, maybe fifteen minutes at most. 329 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,039 Speaker 1: According to report, fifteen minutes. 330 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:10,039 Speaker 2: But for Valdez it was vastly different when he reappeared 331 00:16:10,039 --> 00:16:12,559 stumbling back towards his squad just moments later. From their 332 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,000 point of view, he showed clear physical signs of a 333 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,639 much longer time having passed for him, like what he 334 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,480 had five days worth of beard growth, heavy stubble that 335 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:24,399 wasn't there fifteen minutes earlier. And even stranger, the calendar 336 00:16:24,519 --> 00:16:27,480 date on his wristwatch at advanced by five days. It 337 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,600 showed a date five days into the future. 338 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:34,159 Speaker 1: Whoa So he somehow experienced five full days while only 339 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,919 fifteen minutes passed for everyone else. 340 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: That's what the physical evidence suggested. Five days of biological 341 00:16:39,279 --> 00:16:41,759 time beard growth, a mechanical time his watch had passed 342 00:16:41,799 --> 00:16:46,200 for him, compressed into just minutes of external objective time 343 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:46,919 for his squad. 344 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: That's a serious time warp, Like a localized bubble of 345 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,240 distorted space time created by those lights. 346 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,879 Speaker 2: It strongly suggests that, yes, his subjective experience of time 347 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,000 was completely decoupled from the objective reality of his surroundings. 348 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,759 A localized temporal distortion field may be generated by whatever 349 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:04,839 those violet lights were. 350 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,079 Speaker 1: And what did Valdes say when he came back? Was 351 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:07,599 he okay? 352 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 2: He was apparently on the verge of collapse, totally disoriented, 353 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:15,200 and he uttered this really ominous, almost program sounding phrase. 354 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,039 He said, you don't know who we are or where 355 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:18,720 we come from, but we will be back soon. 356 00:17:19,039 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like someone explaining what happened. It sounds 357 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:22,680 like a delivered message. 358 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,759 Speaker 2: It does almost like a warning or a statement implanted 359 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:28,519 during his missing five days, delivered in a state of 360 00:17:28,599 --> 00:17:29,680 shock upon his return. 361 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,519 Speaker 1: Now, the sources mentioned Chile specifically as being a major 362 00:17:33,559 --> 00:17:36,599 hotspot for UFO activity White Chile. 363 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,319 Speaker 2: Well, Chile's geography is pretty unique. The northern part is 364 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:43,599 the Atacama Desert, one of the driest, most desolate places 365 00:17:43,599 --> 00:17:47,039 on Earth. Huge stretches are virtually unpopulated with very little 366 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,640 radar coverage, okay, remote desert. And then the southern part 367 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,960 of Chile is this incredibly complex maze of fiords, glaciers, 368 00:17:54,039 --> 00:17:58,359 remote islands, also largely uninhabited and very difficult to monitor 369 00:17:58,599 --> 00:17:59,039 or even. 370 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: Navigate, lots of places to hide. 371 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: Exactly if you were, say, an advanced group needing a 372 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,640 secure place to operate, maybe set up bases, conduct activities 373 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,359 without being easily detected by modern surveillance, these vast empty 374 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,279 regions of Chile would be absolutely ideal. You could potentially 375 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,759 operate there for centuries without anyone noticing. 376 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: This recurring theme keeps popping up, doesn't it that maybe 377 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,599 these visitors, these intelligences there aren't aliens from other stars, 378 00:18:25,599 --> 00:18:28,200 but actually humans from our own future. 379 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: It leads directly to what some call the identity crisis 380 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:35,079 within the euphology. Are we dealing with et or time travelers? 381 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,839 Speaker 1: And this brings us to maybe the most controversial claim 382 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:41,440 in our sources today, the Kingman incident and this figure 383 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:42,440 called j Rod. 384 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 2: Right now We need to be clear here. This story 385 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,160 relies heavily on whistleblower testimony, not necessarily hard independently verified 386 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,920 evidence like some military reports. 387 00:18:52,039 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 1: Understood, So what's the basic story? 388 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 2: It centers on an alleged crash of some kind of 389 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,920 craft near Kingman, Arizona, back in May nineteen fifty three. 390 00:18:59,519 --> 00:19:03,799 The set up is classic Cold War UFO lore, a crash, 391 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:07,119 military retrieval, and then secret study at a hidden facility. 392 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: Okay, standard stuff, So far, where does j rod come in? 393 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,759 Speaker 2: The core information really surfaces decades later in nineteen ninety eight, 394 00:19:12,799 --> 00:19:15,240 and a man named Bill Hus, described as a retired 395 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,160 military engineer, supposedly came forward and his claim was Lewis 396 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,799 alleged that the US military had recovered not just wreckage, 397 00:19:22,079 --> 00:19:25,359 but a living occupant from the Kingman crash, and that 398 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:29,400 this being an alien entity, was alive and actively assisting 399 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,119 scientists at a secret lap. 400 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: Where is this lab supposed to be in. 401 00:19:33,759 --> 00:19:36,839 Speaker 2: The Papouse Mountains right near the infamous Area fifty one 402 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,319 complex in Nevada And. 403 00:19:38,279 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: This living alien? What was it like and why? 404 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 2: J rod UI's described it as having insectoid features and 405 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,920 it was apparently given the designation or nickname Jayrod. 406 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:51,599 Speaker 1: And insectoid alien helping the military. What was its role 407 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:52,160 supposed to be? 408 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,039 Speaker 2: J Rod was allegedly crucial in helping the scientists understand 409 00:19:56,119 --> 00:20:00,920 and potentially duplicate the incredibly advanced propulsion system and technology 410 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,480 recovered from the crashed craft, technology that seemed light years 411 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,000 ahead of anything we had. Jyrod was the key to 412 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:07,960 reverse engineering it. 413 00:20:08,039 --> 00:20:10,519 Speaker 1: Okay, so far it sounds like a standard, if dramatic 414 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:13,640 alien contact story. But then there's a twist, right involving 415 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,599 another whistleblower. 416 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,880 Speaker 2: Yes, this is where microbiologist Dan Bursch enters the picture. 417 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:22,839 Bersch later came forward essentially confirming you as his account 418 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,799 about j Rod in the Secret Lab, but he added 419 00:20:25,799 --> 00:20:30,079 a truly stunning piece of information something Jayrod supposedly revealed. 420 00:20:30,279 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: What was the revelation? 421 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 2: J Rod, according to Bersch, claimed he was not an 422 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,519 alien from another planet. 423 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:37,519 Speaker 1: He wasn't then what was he? 424 00:20:37,519 --> 00:20:41,319 Speaker 2: He was allegedly a human, but a human from Earth's 425 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:42,720 very distant future, a. 426 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: Future human looking like an insectoid. How did that happen? 427 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: Again, this is all based on the testimony, but Jayrod 428 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,240 reportedly explained that sometime in our near future, a massive 429 00:20:52,279 --> 00:20:56,680 catastrophe occurs, something environmental or maybe nuclear, is not entirely clear, 430 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:58,480 but it devastates humanity. 431 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: Okay, a future catastrophe, and. 432 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 2: This catastrophe forces the human species to basically split into 433 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,000 different survival groups. One group remains on the surface or 434 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,799 finds ways to adapt there, but another group is forced 435 00:21:09,839 --> 00:21:11,079 to go deep underground to. 436 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: Survive underground for how long? 437 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 2: For potentially thousands, maybe tens of thousands of years, and 438 00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:21,759 living underground for generation after generation, adapting to low light, 439 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:27,880 recycled air, different environmental pressures. This group supposedly evolves. 440 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,599 Speaker 1: Evolves into the insectoid form, the large eyes, the slender bodies. 441 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: That was the explanation given the classic gray alien or 442 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,759 insectoid physiology wasn't extraterrestrial, but rather the result of long 443 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,400 term subterranean human evolution driven by adapting to a post 444 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,279 catastrophe environment. Large eyes for dim light, maybe changes in 445 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,000 skin metabolism, even cranial capacity. 446 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: So our own environment, or the lack of our natural 447 00:21:54,079 --> 00:21:56,960 environment is what supposedly created this form. 448 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,519 Speaker 2: That's the core of the claim. Necessity driven by catastrophe 449 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,160 altered our physical form over vast stretches of time spent underground. 450 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: What's really wild is how this story then gets connected 451 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:08,720 to ancient myths. 452 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 2: Yes, the proponents of this narrative draw a direct line 453 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,160 to the created myths and legends of several Native American 454 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,519 tribes in the Southwest, particularly the Hope, but also the 455 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:19,480 Zuni Andamajo. 456 00:22:19,559 --> 00:22:21,759 Speaker 1: They talk about the ant people right exactly. 457 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: The Hope cosmology, for example, describes multiple worlds or epochs 458 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:29,839 of existence, and their legends state that during the catastrophic 459 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,200 transition between the Third World and the current Fourth World, 460 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:34,759 uh huh, when the surface of the Earth was ravaged, 461 00:22:35,079 --> 00:22:38,720 maybe by fire, maybe by ice, humans couldn't survive up there. 462 00:22:39,279 --> 00:22:41,799 The myths say they had to take refuge underground for 463 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:42,680 a long time. 464 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 1: Who did they live with underground? 465 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: They lived with the ant people, beings who helped them 466 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,720 survive beneath the surface until it was safe to return 467 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:50,880 the Ant people. 468 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: The visual connection to the insectoid Jrod is pretty striking. 469 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: It is, and it raises that fascinating question. Is the 470 00:22:58,039 --> 00:23:02,119 Jrod story just a modern techno myth borrowing ancient themes, 471 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,240 or could these ancient legends actually be a kind of 472 00:23:06,279 --> 00:23:09,119 folk memory not of aliens guiding us, but maybe of 473 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:13,279 our own ancestors or future descendants surviving a cyclical catastrophe, 474 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,240 confirming this potential future path. 475 00:23:15,319 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: The ant people weren't visitors, they were us adapted for 476 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,319 underground survival. 477 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the possibility that ancient myths are 478 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,359 confirmation of our own inevitable, cyclical, or perhaps altered future. 479 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,519 It's a mind bending proposition, it really is. 480 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: And if these future humans are coming back trying to 481 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,559 interact or maybe fix things, what kind of technology allows 482 00:23:38,599 --> 00:23:40,920 them to do that, to manipulate time and space. 483 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 2: Well, the incredible irony, according to our sources, is that 484 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:47,759 the blueprints for exactly that kind of reality bending technology 485 00:23:48,079 --> 00:23:50,680 might have actually been laid out over a century ago. Yeah, 486 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:52,839 and then deliberately suppressed. 487 00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: Which brings us inevitably to Nikola Tesla. When you really 488 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,799 look at his work, especially his biggest dream, global wireless power, 489 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,240 it feels like he wasn't just ahead of his time, 490 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:05,240 he seemed to be operating on a completely different timeline. 491 00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:07,519 Speaker 2: I think that's a fair assessment. Yeah, absolutely, Just look 492 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:10,000 at the modern context for a perspective. It was only 493 00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,920 in two thousand and seven, relatively recently, that researchers at 494 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,039 MIT made headlines. 495 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:14,519 Speaker 1: What did they do? 496 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,839 Speaker 2: They managed to safely transmit electrical power wirelessly across a 497 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,720 room about seven feet, and this was presented as a 498 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:26,200 huge breakthrough, a first step towards quote, cutting the power cord. 499 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,839 Speaker 1: Okay, seven feet in two thousand and seven, right. 500 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: Now, compare that to Tesla over one hundred years earlier. 501 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,640 He didn't just envision cutting the cord. He envisioned a 502 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,920 world where all electrical devices everywhere were automatically powered all 503 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,079 the time. No wires, no batteries, no charging needed. 504 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: That's a completely different scale of thinking. And he didn't 505 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,920 just think it. He actually demonstrated this was possible, didn't. 506 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 2: He He absolutely did. Between eighteen ninety nine and nineteen hundred, 507 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,839 he set up this massive experimental station out in Colorado Springs. 508 00:24:57,559 --> 00:25:00,599 He built a huge device called a magnifying transmitter. 509 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: And what was he testing. 510 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 2: He was testing his theory that you could send substantial 511 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,599 amounts of electrical power over very long distances wirelessly, using 512 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,039 the Earth itself in the atmosphere's conductors, with minimal loss. 513 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:12,759 Speaker 1: Did it work? 514 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 2: The accounts are astonishing. He apparently proved it worked. The 515 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,440 most famous story is he had his assistant back at 516 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,160 the station throw the main switch, sending power out. Tesla 517 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:26,279 himself then walked about four miles away into the empty prairie. 518 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,160 He took ordinary incandescent light bulbs and just stuck them 519 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:30,279 directly into the earth. 520 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: And they lit up four miles away with no wires. 521 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: Instantly brightly. He'd shown that the Earth could act as 522 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,160 a giant conductor that you could tap into electrical energy 523 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,880 transmitted wirelessly through the ground. But he kept the exact 524 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,480 mechanics the tuning incredibly secret. Even his closest assistance didn't 525 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:49,480 know the full details. 526 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: Okay, so he proves wireless power transmission as possible, and 527 00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:56,599 this leads to his most ambitious project, Wardencliffe Tower. 528 00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 2: Exactly Wardencliffe was meant to be the culmination of this research. 529 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:02,640 In nineteen oh one, he managed to secure a significant 530 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,519 amount of funding one hundred and fifty thousand dollars from 531 00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,039 the biggest financier of the age, JP Morgan. 532 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: What did Morgan think he was funding? 533 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,799 Speaker 2: Morgan thought he was investing in a powerful transatlantic radio 534 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:16,920 communication station, something to compete with Marconi send messages across 535 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:17,319 the ocean. 536 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: That Tesla had bigger. 537 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,200 Speaker 2: Plans, Oh much bigger. He used the money to build 538 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,960 this enormous tower complex on Long Island, New York. The 539 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,920 tower itself was huge, one hundred and eighty seven feet tall, 540 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,880 but it also had this incredibly deep foundation, going one 541 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,960 hundred and twenty feet underground, filled with conductive materials. 542 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:34,759 Speaker 1: What was the real purpose of Wardencliffe? 543 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 2: Tesla saw it as the first node in a global system. 544 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,079 He planned to build several of these towers around the world. 545 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,319 They wouldn't just transmit radio signals. They would pump vast 546 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,440 amounts of electrical energy into the Earth's resonant cavity To 547 00:26:47,519 --> 00:26:50,160 do what to create a standing wave of energy that 548 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,920 could be tapped into anywhere on the planet wirelessly for 549 00:26:54,039 --> 00:26:58,240 free universal power for everyone. He even dreamed this system 550 00:26:58,279 --> 00:27:00,960 could be used to communicate with or send power to 551 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,720 other planets. 552 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: Free universal wireless power. That sounds revolutionary, So why don't 553 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,000 we have it? What happened to Wardencliffe? 554 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: It ended tragically. By nineteen oh four, JP Morgan figured 555 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,319 out Tesla's true intention wasn't just radio, it was free energy. 556 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,599 He immediately pulled all further funding. 557 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,039 Speaker 1: Why because you can't put a meter on free energy. 558 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,319 Speaker 2: That seems to be the consensus. Yes, Morgan and his 559 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,319 associates were heavily invested in building centralized power plants, stringing 560 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,079 expensive copper wires everywhere, and charging customers for every kill 561 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,680 what hour used. That was their business model. 562 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: And Tesla's system would have completely bypassed that completely. 563 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,559 Speaker 2: It would have destroyed the entire electrical utility industry before 564 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:45,000 it even got properly started. Free unmetered energy was financial 565 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,039 anathma to them. The project was abandoned by nineteen oh eight, 566 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,880 and the tower itself was sadly demolished in nineteen seventeen. 567 00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,759 Speaker 1: So corporate interests essentially suppressed a technology that could have 568 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:55,640 changed the world. 569 00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,279 Speaker 2: That's the strong argument made by many historians. The control 570 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,519 of the world's end energy future was potentially decided right 571 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,599 there based on profit motives rather than global benefit. 572 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: It just makes you wonder, how did one person Tesla 573 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,160 come up with these ideas that are still radical today. 574 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,160 Where did his genius come from? 575 00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 2: That's the mystery surrounding Tesla. He himself often credited his 576 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:20,160 inventions to this incredible ability. He had to visualize them 577 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,359 completely in his. 578 00:28:21,319 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: Mind, like mental blueprints. 579 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 2: More than that, he had what's called an idetic or 580 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,960 photographic memory. He claimed he could build, test, and refine 581 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,039 complex machines entirely in his imagination, seen them operate in 582 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:37,720 almost holographic detail. He could mentally rotate them, disassemble them, 583 00:28:37,839 --> 00:28:40,359 run diagnostics, all without ever drawing a sketch. 584 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: So the rotating magnetic field for the AC motor his 585 00:28:43,759 --> 00:28:44,640 big breakthrough. 586 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 2: He claimed it came to him in a sudden, complete 587 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,119 flash of insight while walking in a park. The entire 588 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,000 concept fully formed. 589 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: But he took it even further, didn't He He didn't 590 00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:56,400 think these ideas were entirely his. 591 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 2: No, he had a very unusual philosophy about invention. He 592 00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:06,200 strongly believed that humans were essentially just receivers biological antennas, 593 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,880 if you will, receivers for what for external impulses. He 594 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,839 felt that all great ideas, all creative sparks, didn't originate 595 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:17,039 from within our own minds, from dreams or internal thought processes. 596 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,680 They came from outside. H Where outside He wasn't always specific, 597 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640 but he sometimes alluded to a core or source of 598 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,680 knowledge in the universe. He viewed humans almost like highly complex, 599 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,720 self propelled robots, simply reacting to these intelligent stimuli from 600 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:34,359 the cosmos. 601 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,119 Speaker 1: Okay, that sounds pretty esoteric. 602 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,759 Speaker 2: It does, and this is exactly where ancient astronaut theorists 603 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,599 jump in. They look at Tesla's descriptions, the flashes of 604 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,880 light accompanying his ideas, the overwhelming intuition, the complete technical 605 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,960 plans appearing in his mind, and they suggest this is 606 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,680 evidence that Tesla wasn't just having internal brain waves. They 607 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:57,480 proposed he was actively receiving information, downloading it, essentially. 608 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:01,599 Speaker 1: Receiving it from where an other worldly source, a cosmic database. 609 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 2: That's the theory that there's some kind of universal knowledge 610 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,720 base may be maintained by advanced intelligence, and Tesla perhaps 611 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,400 uniquely was tuned into it. The complete plans were beamed 612 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,599 directly into his mind because he was receptive. 613 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: Did Tesla himself believe he could tune in? 614 00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:21,279 Speaker 2: He absolutely did. He spoke about a repository of knowledge 615 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,279 existing somewhere out there, and he believed that all of 616 00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:27,720 humanity could potentially access it if only they knew how 617 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,880 to quote properly tune their mind. 618 00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 1: And did he claim he ever did tune in successfully, 619 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,440 like got a clear signal? 620 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,039 Speaker 2: Yes. This is the most controversial part in July eighteen 621 00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:41,240 ninety nine, while he was out in Colorado Springs conducting 622 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,240 those experiments with this incredibly sensitive magnifying transmitter. 623 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,359 Speaker 1: The device he used to track lightning storms hundreds of 624 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:48,720 miles away exactly. 625 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was so sensitive. He claimed that one night, 626 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,319 amidst the static from distant storms, he picked up something else, 627 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,960 something artificial, rhythmic. 628 00:30:58,319 --> 00:30:59,039 Speaker 1: What did he hear? 629 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: He reported hearing three distinct, very clear beats in a 630 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:10,640 mathematical sequence like BP or just one two three, consistent. 631 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,279 Speaker 1: Repeating, not natural static. 632 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: He was convinced it wasn't natural. After ruling out terrestrial 633 00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:20,039 interference and known celestial phenomena, he concluded the signals had 634 00:31:20,039 --> 00:31:22,759 to be originating from space, from off planet. 635 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,599 Speaker 1: And where do you think they came from? 636 00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,559 Speaker 2: Well, Mars happened to be making one of its close 637 00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:29,480 approaches to Earth around that time, something that happens roughly 638 00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:33,599 every one point eight years. So Tesla became absolutely convinced 639 00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,519 the signals were coming from Mars. Intelligent signals from Martians. 640 00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:38,759 Speaker 1: Wow, okay, so he thought he'd made contact. 641 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: He did. Now, modern astronomers might suggest other possibilities, you know, 642 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640 maybe early detection of pulsars or other natural cosmic radio 643 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,880 sources that weren't understood then, but Tesla took it as 644 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,200 proof of intelligent. 645 00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:52,799 Speaker 1: Life, and this led him to develop a pretty radical 646 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:54,960 theory about Earth's history right, a. 647 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,279 Speaker 2: Very radical theory based on interpreting these signals and maybe 648 00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,519 other insights he felt he received. Tesla came to believe 649 00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:06,319 that an extraterrestrial presence hadn't just contacted Earth, but had 650 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:11,359 actually been here for potentially millennia, secretly observing, maybe even 651 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,880 controlling or guiding human development from the very beginning. 652 00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,119 Speaker 1: That's a huge claim. Did he keep it to himself? 653 00:32:17,359 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: No, and that was perhaps his biggest mistake professionally speaking. 654 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,240 He went public with it in nineteen oh one. He 655 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,839 published an article in a major magazine, Colliers Weekly, titled 656 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,480 Talking with the Planets, where he laid out his belief 657 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,559 in Martian communication. 658 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: How did people react? 659 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 2: Badly? This public proclamation, combined with the fact that he 660 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,240 already had powerful enemies like JP Morgan and Thomas Edison 661 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,640 who were eager to undermine him. Yeah, it give them 662 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,519 the perfect ammunition. 663 00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: They used it to discredit him mercilessly. 664 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,519 Speaker 2: They painted him as eccentric, unreliable, a mad scientist talking 665 00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:51,759 to Mars. This narrative stuck, and. 666 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: It overshadowed his actual scientific contributions absolutely. 667 00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:59,759 Speaker 2: It helped ensure that his truly revolutionary ideas, things like 668 00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:04,319 his insights that anticipated quantum physics seeing light as both 669 00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:08,119 wave and particle modeling atoms like many solar systems, were 670 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,680 largely dismissed or ignored by the mainstream scientific community at 671 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,640 the time, even. 672 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: Though other scientists later won Nobel Prizes for developing those 673 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:16,880 exact same ideas. 674 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: Precisely, his association with the Martian signals and his feuds 675 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:24,160 effectively sidelined him, costing him his rightful place in the 676 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,759 history of twentieth century physics. It's quite tragic, really, but. 677 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,839 Speaker 1: Being discredited didn't necessarily mean he stopped working, did it. 678 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,640 The sources mentioned documents stuff preserved in the Nicola Tesla 679 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,279 Museum in Belgrade, Serbia. 680 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 2: That's right. These documents offered glimpses into his later work, 681 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,799 things he pursued more secretly after the Warning Cliff disaster 682 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,960 and the public ridicule, and they suggest he continued down 683 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:46,680 some very. 684 00:33:46,519 --> 00:33:49,319 Speaker 1: Exotic paths, like what specifically. 685 00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:51,319 Speaker 2: Specifically work on what seems to be a fly machine 686 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:55,000 based on completely unconventional principles anti gravity. 687 00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:56,839 Speaker 1: Essentially, Tesla worked on anti gravity. 688 00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: The documents suggest he started seriously developing these ideas around 689 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,759 nineteen ten onwards. He wasn't talking about wings and propellers. 690 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,440 He was focused on what we might now call field propulsion. 691 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:09,320 Field propulsion. 692 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: What's that. 693 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,119 Speaker 2: It's the idea of using powerful electromagnetic fields to interact 694 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:16,079 with the ambient environment and maybe the Earth's gravitational field, 695 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,000 maybe the quantum vacuum. The theories vary. To generate lift 696 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,559 and thrust without expelling any mass like a rocket does. 697 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:27,800 Speaker 1: So, using electricity to create lift directly. 698 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,079 Speaker 2: That was his theory. He believed that by applying extremely 699 00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:34,159 high voltages and frequencies in the right way, you could 700 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:38,519 counteract gravity or create a propulsive force. He talked repeatedly 701 00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:41,800 in the twenties and thirties about these potential anti gravity ships. 702 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,159 Speaker 1: What were they supposed to be like? 703 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,159 Speaker 2: His descriptions are fascinating. They would be entirely electric, drawing 704 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,719 power wirelessly from his broadcast towers. Remember, they'd have no wings, 705 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,920 no jets, no propellers. They'd use these powerful electromagnetic fields 706 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,400 to move, allowing for incredible maneuverability, silent. 707 00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: Flight, silent wingless lie electrically powered craft that defy gravity 708 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:04,480 sounds awfully familiar. 709 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 2: It sounds remarkably like many modern UFO reports, doesn't it, 710 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,320 And it also echoes descriptions from much much. 711 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: Older texts like the vaimanas from ancient India. 712 00:35:14,519 --> 00:35:17,719 Speaker 2: Exactly the ancient Indian epics like the Mahaparata and the 713 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,760 Ramayana contain these detailed descriptions of vimanas, often translated as 714 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,440 flying chariots or flying machines used by the. 715 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: Gods, and how are they described? 716 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,920 Speaker 2: They were described as being able to fly through the air, 717 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:35,079 hover maneuver effortlessly, sometimes travel between worlds. Some texts even 718 00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:39,320 mentioned power sources and control mechanisms that sound surprisingly technical, 719 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,880 not just mythical. The parallels to Tesla's anti gravity concepts 720 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:43,480 are striking. 721 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: So the idea is maybe Tesla wasn't just inventing something new, 722 00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:51,920 but rediscovering or tapping into an ancient lost technology, a 723 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,440 technology described in myth. 724 00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 2: That's certainly connection many researchers make. It makes his mad 725 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,599 scientist ideas about anti gravity seem potentially less mad and 726 00:36:00,679 --> 00:36:02,559 more or as dangerously advanced. 727 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: For his time, and as advanced thinking wasn't just limited 728 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,480 to propulsion, was it, he also conceived of advanced weaponry. 729 00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 2: Yes, directed energy weapons. This leads to another startling modern parallel. 730 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,719 Fast forward to February twenty fourteen, an Israeli defence company, 731 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,760 Raphael Advanced Defense Systems unveils a new weapon system. 732 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,159 Speaker 1: What was it? 733 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,400 Speaker 2: Called the Iron Beam. It's a high energy laser defense system. 734 00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:29,719 Its purpose is to shoot down incoming threats like rockets, drones, 735 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,199 mortar shells, even small aircraft by hitting them with a powerful, 736 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,440 focused beam of laser energy. 737 00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:37,519 Speaker 1: A beam of energy used as a weapon. 738 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 2: It sounds almost exactly like a concept Tesl talked about 739 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,480 extensively back in the nineteen twenties and thirties. He called 740 00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,480 it his teleforce weapon, but the press nicknamed it the death. 741 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: Ray Tesla's Deathray. What was it supposed to do? 742 00:36:50,119 --> 00:36:52,719 Speaker 2: He described a weapon that could project a concentrated beam 743 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,840 of particles or energy over hundreds of miles, capable of 744 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,320 melting airplane engines or detonating munitions instantly. Shield He claimed 745 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,880 that could make war impossible. 746 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,519 Speaker 1: But back then the military wasn't interested. 747 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,639 Speaker 2: At the time, the US government, particularly in the run 748 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,159 up to World War Two, was far more invested in 749 00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:15,199 the potential destructive power of nuclear fission, backing Einstein in 750 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,480 Oppenheimer's path towards the atomic bomb. Tesla's beam weapon concepts 751 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,760 were seen as maybe too complex to futuristic, or perhaps 752 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,960 just less overtly offensive. 753 00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: And now, almost a century later, directed energy weapons like 754 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,320 the iron beam are becoming a reality seen as essential 755 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,400 for modern defense. 756 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,760 Speaker 2: The irony is palpable, isn't it. The very type of 757 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,519 focused energy weapon Tesla proposed dismissed back then is now 758 00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:42,519 cutting edge. It really makes you wonder about his foresight. 759 00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:44,679 Speaker 1: Did he know these things were coming? Could he somehow 760 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,400 see the future? You mentioned time viewing technology. 761 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,039 Speaker 2: Well, there's no concrete proof he develops a time viewer, 762 00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:53,079 but his famous quote definitely resonates with that idea. He said, 763 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,760 the present is theirs. The future for which I have 764 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,719 really worked is mine. 765 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,199 Speaker 1: That sounds incredibly confident, almost prophetic. 766 00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:05,800 Speaker 2: It does it suggests he felt his work wasn't just 767 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,079 for his own time, but was laying groundwork for technologies 768 00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,960 that would only be truly understood and utilized much later. 769 00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:14,880 It feeds into that idea of him having a connection 770 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,079 to something more, a higher agenda. 771 00:38:18,119 --> 00:38:20,519 Speaker 1: Perhaps this is where the avatar theory comes in. 772 00:38:20,679 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 2: Yes, some proponents go quite far, suggesting Tesla wasn't just 773 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,199 a genius inventor, but maybe an avatar, an enlightened being, 774 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,480 almost like an instrument sent here with a specific purpose. 775 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,719 Speaker 1: Sent by whom extraterrestrials future humans, a higher intelligence. 776 00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 2: The theories vary, but the core idea is that he 777 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,079 was sent or guided by some external advanced intelligence to 778 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,039 see humanity with revolutionary technologies, to push our evolution forward. 779 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,800 That he was a uniquely receptive channel for this higher 780 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:51,960 cosmic knowledge. 781 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 1: And if that was the mission, what would the world 782 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,239 look like if it had succeeded. If Tesla's technologies had 783 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,440 been embraced. 784 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,559 Speaker 2: It's staggering to contemplate. We could be living in a 785 00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:06,320 radically different world. Imagine free, clean, wireless energy available everywhere, 786 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,599 no more fossil fuels, no energy scarcity. His energy tech 787 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:13,840 could potentially desalinate ocean water, easily solving global water crises. 788 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,360 We might have anti gravity cracked, making space travel routine. 789 00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,960 Some even speculate his work hinted at teleportation possibilities. It 790 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,800 sounds like a true Golden Age. 791 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,599 Speaker 1: Abundance, clean energy, easy travel. It sounds utopian, it. 792 00:39:27,559 --> 00:39:30,519 Speaker 2: Does, but the stark reality is we don't live in 793 00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,400 that world. Wardencliffe stands as a ruin. His funding was cut, 794 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,159 his most radical ideas were suppressed or ridiculed. 795 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,039 Speaker 1: So what does that imply if he was sent on 796 00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:40,639 a mission. 797 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,519 Speaker 2: It implies one to two things. Really, Either the powerful 798 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,960 terrestrial forces with the corporate, financial and military interests of 799 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,679 the early twentieth century were successful in completely thwarting that mission, 800 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,039 prioritizing control and profit over planetary advancement. Or perhaps the 801 00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:58,199 higher intelligence, the force that supposedly sent him or guided him, 802 00:39:58,519 --> 00:40:02,000 ultimately didn't achieve its goal. Maybe humanity wasn't ready, or 803 00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:05,000 maybe the opposition was just too strong. Either way, the 804 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:08,519 potential Golden Age remains unrealized. Hashtag tag outro. 805 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,079 Speaker 1: Wow, we have covered an incredible amount of ground today. 806 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,719 It's been quite a journey. We started with theoretical physics 807 00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:19,320 talking about needing the energy of Jupiter just to maybe 808 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,400 bend space. 809 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,519 Speaker 2: Uh the sheer scale of wormhole creation. 810 00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,119 Speaker 1: Then we jumped into these chilling military encounters cases from 811 00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:31,360 Rendelsham to Chile that strongly hint at actual temporal shifts, 812 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:36,960 time distortions, and maybe even contact with well future humans. 813 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,679 Speaker 2: People experiencing missing time, receiving binary codes, the physical effects. 814 00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,800 It's compelling data, even if hard to definitively prove. 815 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:48,159 Speaker 1: And finally we ended up looking at Nikola Tesla, a 816 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,880 genius seemingly centuries ahead of his time, whose world changing 817 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,199 technologies for free energy and maybe even anti gravity were 818 00:40:55,199 --> 00:40:58,320 apparently suppressed by powerful financial. 819 00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,599 Speaker 2: Interests, and the claims that his genius is self might 820 00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:03,679 have stemmed from some kind of external cosmic connection. It 821 00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,280 ties everything together in a really provocative way. 822 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: So when you put all these pieces together, the physics, 823 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,480 the encounters, the suppressed tech, what's the big takeaway? 824 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,519 Speaker 2: Well, whether you personally lean towards believing these encounters are 825 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,480 solid proof of, you know, celestial visitors or maybe highly 826 00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:22,639 evolve future versions of ourselves, or if you think they're 827 00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,960 just misinterpretations of complex natural or maybe advanced terrestrial phenomena, 828 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,199 the sheer consistency you find in the narratives is really striking. 829 00:41:31,559 --> 00:41:35,280 You see similar themes echoing across ancient myths showing up 830 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,880 in these modern, often classified military reports, and even reflected 831 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,039 to the suppressed work of a twentieth century visionary like Tesla, 832 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,360 that consistency raises a really important point, especially given the 833 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:47,920 challenges we face today. 834 00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:52,159 Speaker 1: Challenges like energy crises, climate change, global instability. 835 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 2: Exactly we're facing potentially existential threats. So the final question becomes, 836 00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:01,800 if the theoretical knowledge, the inner requirements, the technological hurdles 837 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:05,519 needed to achieve things like time travel, anti gravity, unlimited 838 00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,360 clean power, if these things are actually known, at least 839 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,400 in principle, and if there are forces out there, whether 840 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,960 there are future cells trying to nudge us, or maybe 841 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,639 some external entities observing or intervening, or even just powerful 842 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,480 human groups hoarding secret knowledge, if these forces are interacting 843 00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,480 with our timeline, and what then what is the single 844 00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:28,400 most important piece of knowledge or maybe the critical shift 845 00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:33,039 in perspective that humanity needs right now today to finally 846 00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:36,199 break free from the limitations of our current reality, to 847 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,639 escape these cycles of conflict and scarcity and actually step 848 00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:43,119 into that potential future that Tesla and perhaps others envisioned. 849 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,800 Speaker 1: That really is the ultimate question to leave people with. 850 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,000 Isn't it is the real barrier the technology itself, or 851 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,360 is it something deeper, our inability to perhaps accept a 852 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,039 reality where energy could be free, where time isn't strictly linear, 853 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,760 and where our potential is far greater than we currently 854 00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,960 allow ourselves to believe. 855 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:03,519 Speaker 2: That's the thought to ponder what's truly holding us back.