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Speaker 5: So I started the show yesterday and I made a
Speaker 5: prediction and the prediction came true. Actually, I mean it
Speaker 5: wasn't a bold prediction, but my prediction was that by
Speaker 5: the time we get out of here, which was a
Speaker 5: little early, he was our our our wrap up because
Speaker 5: we had bats game. But with it being the deadline
Speaker 5: day for the portal, you had until I guess midnight
Speaker 5: last night to end of the transfer portal. I just
Speaker 5: assumed that in that two and a half window of
Speaker 5: time there would be at least one notable player in
Speaker 5: college basketball that would hit the portal that would have
Speaker 5: everybody feel in some way. Right Either you were thinking, Okay,
Speaker 5: let's see if we can round up some money, it'd
Speaker 5: be great to go get this guy because he's special,
Speaker 5: or you were like, damn, we should have waited before
Speaker 5: we took some guys because you know, now at the
Speaker 5: last minute, there's a really good player and we're full.
Speaker 5: So again, I think it's safe to say that that
Speaker 5: did come true because I think Boogie Flann leaving Arkansas
Speaker 5: was in fact a big addition to the portal because
Speaker 5: you know, he was a really good freshman until he
Speaker 5: got hurt and was the number one point guard in
Speaker 5: his class. So as we discussed the process of the portal,
Speaker 5: just how you know, because with Caseon we got the
Speaker 5: good news yesterday. Caseon Pryor made it official at least
Speaker 5: by letting Louisville fans know. I mean, I guess he
Speaker 5: was never not a part of the program. He never
Speaker 5: hit the portal, but he did announce he was coming back,
Speaker 5: and that was good news. But you know, if he
Speaker 5: was gonna hit the portal, we were talking about sort
Speaker 5: of how that works, right.
Speaker 4: Like do you do you do it?
Speaker 5: I mean, because you don't do it instantaneously as a
Speaker 5: student athlete. You have to let compliance officers know that
Speaker 5: you know you're you're you know you're entering the portal,
Speaker 5: and I guess they technically do it for you, per
Speaker 5: like the NC doublea actual portal website, if it's even
Speaker 5: a thing. So I kind of thought we were done
Speaker 5: talking about additions to the portal because you know it's over.
Speaker 5: But I guess yesterday at some point there were two
Speaker 5: players that made it official, and we didn't get news
Speaker 5: about the Louisville player that didn't entered the portal until
Speaker 5: this morning. At least I didn't. Maybe somebody had it
Speaker 5: last night. It was out there. I was up pretty late,
Speaker 5: well not super late, but I feel like the news
Speaker 5: broke this morning that James Scott has decided that he
Speaker 5: will enter the portal and move on, at least we
Speaker 5: think he will. I mean, usually if you enter the
Speaker 5: portal and you do it this late in the game
Speaker 5: deadline day and really don't communicate seemingly with a lot
Speaker 5: of people that you're gonna do it, I mean, it
Speaker 5: seems as if it's it's done, meaning you're gone.
Speaker 4: However, I guess there's a chance.
Speaker 5: That maybe he could be persuaded to stay, if in
Speaker 5: fact the staff does try to keep him around. But
Speaker 5: that's the big news. We'll certainly talk about today. James Scott.
Speaker 5: To me, he is the ultimate example of someone that
Speaker 5: were well, he's the example that you really just should
Speaker 5: never be surprised by anyone. I mean, it wasn't as
Speaker 5: if James Scott, you know, is a three year first
Speaker 5: team All American or anything like that. It's not like
Speaker 5: he's from Louisville. But I mean he has a close
Speaker 5: connection to Pat Kelsey in a way that most didn't
Speaker 5: last year. I mean, he's one of two guys I
Speaker 5: guess three technically that Pat brought with him from Charleston,
Speaker 5: and there's just something it's almost like there's a hesitation
Speaker 5: to start talking about how much he loves coaching James
Speaker 5: Scott because Pat Kelcey. I mean, I feel like those
Speaker 5: two were like a perfect combination. So tough news, no doubt,
Speaker 5: not the end of the world, and we'll certainly talk
Speaker 5: about it. And then on the Kentucky side, this is
Speaker 5: not a player that I think they're really going to
Speaker 5: miss because they didn't really get a whole lot last year.
Speaker 5: But it is a Kentucky a Kentucky native, and that's
Speaker 5: Travis Perry. Same thing with him. I don't know when
Speaker 5: he hit the portal, I don't think he announced it.
Speaker 5: I don't think there was any kind of an announcement.
Speaker 5: It just I guess news broke. Somebody got the story,
Speaker 5: shared it, and again it was confirmed.
Speaker 4: I'm very interested.
Speaker 5: I'm sure nobody else is, but I'm interested in sort
Speaker 5: of how how you figure it out. Meaning if like,
Speaker 5: if you don't announce anything as a player, and you
Speaker 5: don't tell anybody and your staff that you're leaving, you know,
Speaker 5: they don't tell anybody because they you know, maybe they
Speaker 5: just don't want to or they don't want it out there.
Speaker 5: I don't know, I mean, would anybody know, Like I
Speaker 5: guess if you are a like who has access to
Speaker 5: actually look at said portal and see who is in
Speaker 5: you know, the database. And I don't know why that
Speaker 5: interests me. It's really not that interesting at all. But
Speaker 5: the overall process here is kind of you know, news
Speaker 5: breaks sometimes guys that mean, sometimes players want to announce
Speaker 5: it because they want people to know, hey, I'm available,
Speaker 5: give me a call, check me out, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: But I don't think that's what happened with either Travis
Speaker 5: Perry or James Scott. But again we'll certainly get into
Speaker 5: that today and a lot more. It is Coffee and
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Speaker 5: Talk seven to ninety. Appreciate you guys hanging out with us.
Speaker 5: We will take you up until six o'clock myself. That's
Speaker 5: me Nick Coffee. Hope you knew that. If not, now
Speaker 5: you do. Austin Montgomery, the travel Cheap is back with us.
Speaker 5: How was mich Lennox?
Speaker 4: Yesterday?
Speaker 3: Was great? I forget how much I loved that place.
Speaker 3: Every time I go back.
Speaker 5: It's a rare spot that I really don't think there's
Speaker 5: a comparison. And what I mean by that is you
Speaker 5: know the you know I've never gone there and eaten inside,
Speaker 5: have you? I mean maybe you guys did yesterday. I
Speaker 5: know because a lot of you know they have spots
Speaker 5: where you can eat inside. Yes, and we are open,
Speaker 5: not like in the brutal winter months, but they are
Speaker 5: open at times where you really don't know what you're
Speaker 5: going to get weatherwise, meaning you wouldn't you might want
Speaker 5: to be indoors, but just the outside dining, I don't know,
Speaker 5: just it's it's it almost feels like you're you're in
Speaker 5: somebody's back patio in a neighborhood. It's far far, far
Speaker 5: far south end. I guess that would be considered south right,
Speaker 5: like southwest, I guess.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So, uh, I just can't think of any place like it.
Speaker 5: It's been around for a long long time. And of
Speaker 5: course they've got you know, great food, good atmosphere, and yeah,
Speaker 5: sounds like we had a good event last night, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was good. Even your boy even sold some
Speaker 3: tickets at the door. Nice about that. How about a
Speaker 3: couple of people showing up late and how do I
Speaker 3: how do I get me a ticket? Went and showed
Speaker 3: them how to do it.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: Shout out to to our guy Joe who has put
Speaker 5: I think he put this whole thing together years ago,
Speaker 5: and now we've been doing it anyually behind and it
Speaker 5: seems to get more and more popular every year.
Speaker 4: And I really don't think.
Speaker 5: There could be a better location to have it than,
Speaker 5: uh than Mike Lenning.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it was a dude in the weather yesterday,
Speaker 3: amazing perfect day to work at Mike Lea.
Speaker 5: I mean, yesterday might have been and I know I've
Speaker 5: said this before in other days, but yesterday, especially like
Speaker 5: during the day, like you know, probably between like I
Speaker 5: don't know, two o'clock to six o'clock. I mean, it
Speaker 5: was absolutely perfect outside. Could not get much better.
Speaker 3: I listened to the start of the show when I
Speaker 3: heard you talk about it, when you're said, I'd rather
Speaker 3: be outside, right, Yeah, And I sat and you looked
Speaker 3: around and I said, look at me, I'm outside right now.
Speaker 3: It was it was awesome. I know, I know you're
Speaker 3: probably not going to get too too much into a Derby. Uh,
Speaker 3: probably like between a couple of days before, because I
Speaker 3: know you say the Derby kind of messages sometimes.
Speaker 4: But I got a lot, you got some good, got
Speaker 4: a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh, Jody Demmling, I gut Joe Chris effect right.
Speaker 4: He was on the st last week.
Speaker 3: Uh, dude. They were locked in answering questions. They were
Speaker 3: watching the Arkansas Derby, Santa and Nita Derby and just
Speaker 3: break down horse by horse Man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were in their bag. That's what they do.
Speaker 5: I mean, And I missed you yesterday, but I'm glad
Speaker 5: you're back. And I'm also glad you come now back
Speaker 5: to the show with some knowledge about the big.
Speaker 4: Race coming up. Right.
Speaker 5: I have a few marked down good stuff. We'll certainly
Speaker 5: get into it. We got all a week to do
Speaker 5: that next week, and I'm looking forward to you and
Speaker 5: I having some fun with Derby because yeah, you know,
Speaker 5: I like to not talk about the actual, you know,
Speaker 5: sport of horse racing a whole lot, because honestly, it's
Speaker 5: just not something I know a whole lot about. But
Speaker 5: there's so much that can be done when it comes
Speaker 5: to a three hour daily radio show with everything that
Speaker 5: is the Kentucky Derby experience, Derby Season, Derby Week, and
Speaker 5: we'll certainly have some fun with that.
Speaker 3: But I can't wait.
Speaker 4: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: I don't into each other at Coles again?
Speaker 4: Is that last year?
Speaker 3: That was last year?
Speaker 1: Gosh?
Speaker 4: Why does that feel like that was ten years ago?
Speaker 3: It really feels like forever ago.
Speaker 5: It also feels like you and I have been on
Speaker 5: this show together for years and it really hasn't even
Speaker 5: been that long at all.
Speaker 3: No, I thought I was only one feeling.
Speaker 4: I mean, what it was it four or five months
Speaker 4: or something like that.
Speaker 3: I would say since November, I think.
Speaker 5: I have really really lost the ability to to get
Speaker 5: a feel for I mean, look, time is the same,
Speaker 5: it never changes, right every hour as an hour.
Speaker 4: We all know that.
Speaker 5: But obviously you know, certain things feel way longer ago
Speaker 5: than you know they should, or vice versa. I'm you know,
Speaker 5: we'll move on, trust me. I want to make this
Speaker 5: a longer conversation. But I'm kind of I'm spinning my
Speaker 5: wheels here because I'm not.
Speaker 4: I swear to you.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's no there's no chance that we've
Speaker 5: only done this show together since December. I know, I
Speaker 5: feel like it's been years. I don't know why. I
Speaker 5: guess that's a good thing, right, Like we're having fun. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and it's you know, it's been great. I was fill
Speaker 5: in part time for a while. I was always in
Speaker 5: the bullpas.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: That's probably an aspect of it.
Speaker 5: And really, you know, there'd be times where you were
Speaker 5: pretty regular if if you know, John was on vacation,
Speaker 5: that kind of stuff. But yeah, our first derby together
Speaker 5: should be should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: It's gonna I can't wait. Just hope the weather's nice.
Speaker 4: Me too.
Speaker 5: I'm with you, all right, so don't forget. You could
Speaker 5: take us with you wherever you go. Listen live on
Speaker 5: the Aheart Radio app. Also listen live at seven ninety
Speaker 5: Louisville dot com, and if you've got some thoughts on
Speaker 5: this news in regards to James Scott or the news
Speaker 5: in regards to Travis Perry. Again, I think the reaction
Speaker 5: from fans if it's I mean, I doubt many people
Speaker 5: are like celebrating because, you know, even if you feel
Speaker 5: good about your team, regardless of James Scott not being
Speaker 5: a part of Louisville or Travis Perry not being a
Speaker 5: part of Kentucky, I mean, it's not really something you
Speaker 5: would be like happy about. So you know, if you
Speaker 5: do have some thoughts on it, we'll let you guys
Speaker 5: react coming up here after this first segment, but and
Speaker 5: we'll let you know how to do that coming up
Speaker 5: as well. But let's just when it comes to James Scott,
Speaker 5: of all players on the Louisville roster that were you know,
Speaker 5: that were in this position to come back, right, they
Speaker 5: weren't going to run out of eligibility, certainly wasn't weren't
Speaker 5: going to go to the NBA. James Scott is honestly
Speaker 5: the one player that I thought there would be no
Speaker 5: scenario that he would enter the portal. There would be
Speaker 5: no scenario that he would leave. And it's not because
Speaker 5: he wouldn't have options. It's not because you know, I
Speaker 5: felt like he was going to be making insane money
Speaker 5: here that he couldn't get elsewhere.
Speaker 4: It's just because of Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 5: And I just mentioned a moment ago and I think
Speaker 5: everybody knows this, but James came with Pat from Charleston,
Speaker 5: just like Rain Smith and obviously the other the other
Speaker 5: transfer from Charleston that came in play last year, it's
Speaker 5: Kobe Rogers. So James was somebody that Charleston felt pretty
Speaker 5: lucky about getting whenever. You know, they recruited him out
Speaker 5: of high school, a guy who didn't have a whole
Speaker 5: lot of pub as far as a recruit, but you know,
Speaker 5: he had a lot of ability, raw upside potentially, you know,
Speaker 5: all those buzzwords you hear about somebody that could potentially
Speaker 5: be really really good.
Speaker 4: And I think they saw that.
Speaker 5: They I don't really know who James picked Charleston over,
Speaker 5: but he is in that area, the Carolinas, and you know,
Speaker 5: as a freshman he showed a lot of upside and
Speaker 5: at Louisville, I mean he he was a big factor
Speaker 5: in why Louisville was able to put together an eighteen
Speaker 5: and two season in the ACC and also, you know
Speaker 5: it was at eighteen two, seventeen and three. I think
Speaker 5: it was eighteen and two, wasn't it? Or am I crazy?
Speaker 5: I think it was Either way, Louis ended up with
Speaker 5: having some terrible injuries that that at the time you
Speaker 5: felt like we're going to be brutal, that you just
Speaker 5: really weren't gonna be able to recover from and have
Speaker 5: any type of success. And we were totally wrong. And look,
Speaker 5: I'm not saying James Scott was the biggest factor in that,
Speaker 5: but certainly he was.
Speaker 4: He was a factor. He was a part of that.
Speaker 5: And I just again for me, he's he's And I'm
Speaker 5: sure it'll change moving forward, because you know this, this
Speaker 5: this new world is.
Speaker 4: Here to stay.
Speaker 5: We're not going to have a situation where players can't
Speaker 5: transfer anymore. You may end up having like a cap
Speaker 5: on nil. There may be some some some regulations, but
Speaker 5: as far as players just being able to go where
Speaker 5: they want to go, I don't see a scenario where
Speaker 5: the NC double A is gonna win in court where
Speaker 5: they're gonna they're gonna be able to keep players from
Speaker 5: attending whatever school they want to attend. So maybe there'll
Speaker 5: be a better example, moving forward. But to me, James
Speaker 5: Scott leaving is like, okay, well, now you never never
Speaker 5: assume anybody is just for sure going to stick around
Speaker 5: for a long time. Because Pat Kelsey and James Scott,
Speaker 5: I mean what I mean, they were like a perfect match.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Pat Kelsey enjoys coaching every player,
Speaker 5: you know. I mean, I don't think that guys just
Speaker 5: end up here without him doing a good vetting as
Speaker 5: far as do they fit not only the style that
Speaker 5: I want to play, but can they fit the culture?
Speaker 5: Can they fit the system? Are they you know? Are
Speaker 5: they selfless?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: I mean I think sometimes it does, you know, get
Speaker 5: a little corny when you when you I mean it's
Speaker 5: not corny to those guys in the locker room. I mean
Speaker 5: that's part of the process. But for us, you know,
Speaker 5: we just sat here and talked about, you know, the
Speaker 5: culture and trusting one another and loving one another. I
Speaker 5: mean that's you know, I get it, but it is
Speaker 5: it is. I mean, it matters, and I think James
Speaker 5: Scott was almost like a guy that was created in
Speaker 5: a laboratory as far as having everything Pat Kelsey wants
Speaker 5: about being a guy in his system and I'm not
Speaker 5: talking about what he does as a player. I'm talking about,
Speaker 5: you know, his selflessness and the fact that he gives
Speaker 5: you every single thing that he has he at times.
Speaker 5: I mean, and this is one of the things that
Speaker 5: stood out about James Scott this year for me, among
Speaker 5: many things, was that I noticed more than anybody else
Speaker 5: he would tell the bench he needs a break. And
Speaker 5: you know that's not that rare and not but it's
Speaker 5: not because he's out of shape. It's because he literally
Speaker 5: gives you every single thing that he has. And you know,
Speaker 5: it's been I've been kind of surprised, but I guess
Speaker 5: I shouldn't be surprised to see some people acting as
Speaker 5: if like it it's no big deal and it's not
Speaker 5: the end of the world. James Scott. You can replace
Speaker 5: his production, trust me. But that's one of the things
Speaker 5: I don't really like about the New World in the portal.
Speaker 5: If you listen to me just a little bit, I
Speaker 5: think you probably are aware that I think this has
Speaker 5: been great for college basketball more so than any other sport.
Speaker 5: Free agency and in il money, those two things have
Speaker 5: improved college basketball. I think in a major way. You
Speaker 5: can quickly make a big jump from one year or
Speaker 5: the other. We learned that with Louisville last year, right,
Speaker 5: because guys can just you know, you can build a
Speaker 5: team from scratch with the portal, and because of nil,
Speaker 5: players stick around in college way more than they ever
Speaker 5: used to.
Speaker 4: So it's great.
Speaker 5: But one thing I don't like is that when a
Speaker 5: player does leave, I guess technically it's still considered if
Speaker 5: you're a fan, like he got dumped, right, like you
Speaker 5: got James Scott broke up with Louisville, And I guess
Speaker 5: that's how we're probably always going to see it because
Speaker 5: just despite this now being job a job, I mean this,
Speaker 5: if you're in college, but if you're in college for
Speaker 5: four years, you know, some guys play five or six now,
Speaker 5: but like it's now a job, you have a chance
Speaker 5: to make more money. And I believe this, by the way,
Speaker 5: I can't prove it. I believe that about ninety eight
Speaker 5: percent of college basketball players will make substantially more money
Speaker 5: playing the game in college than they ever will playing
Speaker 5: anywhere else. So when you've got four years to really
Speaker 5: take advantage of that, I mean, you gotta look out
Speaker 5: for yourself, and you know it's not personal, it's transactional.
Speaker 5: That's all this is now. And if you've got to
Speaker 5: bounce from team to team, maybe play for four different
Speaker 5: teams in four years, because that was the best scenario
Speaker 5: for you to stack up a bunch of money to
Speaker 5: you know, to start your life post basketball in a
Speaker 5: really good situation financially, Like, there's nothing wrong with doing that.
Speaker 5: So again, it's all transactional. And what's crazy is that
Speaker 5: with coaches it's always been right. We would like tell ourselves, now,
Speaker 5: he loves it here, you know, this is home now. No,
Speaker 5: if the coach has got a chance to go get
Speaker 5: a better job with better resources, making more money, climbing
Speaker 5: the ladder in his industry, they're gonna do that more
Speaker 5: often than not. Well, now, players are it's transactional. So
Speaker 5: as much as I think a lot of us, myself included,
Speaker 5: kind of have accepted that, I think because we are
Speaker 5: fanatics and this is our program that we care so
Speaker 5: much about, there's gonna be you know, that awkwardness about
Speaker 5: you know, we get it if James and I don't
Speaker 5: even know this specifics of James's situation, and we'll get
Speaker 5: into it. I mean, I think I have a good
Speaker 5: idea as far as what played out here, and we'll
Speaker 5: certainly get into that, but nobody else would be like
Speaker 5: realistically shamed or I guess, I mean, I just don't
Speaker 5: know how you could look at somebody who left a
Speaker 5: job to get a better job, making more money, in
Speaker 5: putting their family in a better situation. Like in what
Speaker 5: world would you look at somebody as if they've done
Speaker 5: something wrong or they've wronged you?
Speaker 4: You wouldn't.
Speaker 5: But because for generations this wasn't a thing in college sports,
Speaker 5: like there's going to be a process, So you know,
Speaker 5: we should never be we should never be surprised really
Speaker 5: with anybody leaving. And I think there's a couple of
Speaker 5: factors here when it comes to James Scott as far
Speaker 5: as you know, money, I also think playing town was
Speaker 5: probably somewhat of a factor. And again I don't want
Speaker 5: to get into it now because we've got to get
Speaker 5: to our first break coming up here. But to me,
Speaker 5: there's like three or four things that I want to
Speaker 5: really hit on when it comes to James Scott because
Speaker 5: to be clear, and I've already said this once, but
Speaker 5: if you are just not joining us, Louisville will move
Speaker 5: on without Jamescott and it's not like they're going to be,
Speaker 5: you know, a team that simply can now no longer
Speaker 5: you know, make it, you know, have a special season
Speaker 5: because they don't have him. It's not about the production
Speaker 5: though that you're missing. It's about the role that he
Speaker 5: embraced that. I just think it's harder to find guys
Speaker 5: to do that. So again we'll get into that talk
Speaker 5: a little more about Travis Perry. I mean, there's not
Speaker 5: a whole lot to that because I think it makes
Speaker 5: total sense. I mean, he was going to have a
Speaker 5: tough time getting significant minutes at Kentucky and.
Speaker 4: He probably would have hit the portal.
Speaker 5: Actually, I don't even think Travis Perry, to me, is
Speaker 5: somebody who would have never even considered playing at Kentucky
Speaker 5: for Mark Pope or for John Cala. Perry he committed
Speaker 5: to Cal but it's just because he's a Kentucky kid
Speaker 5: and it's the dream. But again, it's a job. Now,
Speaker 5: it's your life. You've got to do what's best for you.
Speaker 5: And just sticking around to play on the Kentucky program,
Speaker 5: play for the Kentucky program because you grew up a
Speaker 5: fan like that would probably be a cool experience for you.
Speaker 5: In that aspect, but like you're gonna have a tough
Speaker 5: time having a significant role maybe at any point in
Speaker 5: your career. So a lot of other things we'll get
Speaker 5: into today. Just to day away from the NFL Draft.
Speaker 5: The Shannon Sharp situation is wild, and I mean I'm
Speaker 5: starting to think that like maybe this is a setup.
Speaker 5: But then again, I don't want to act like, you know, oh,
Speaker 5: we don't believe these people who claim this stuff happens
Speaker 5: to them. But the latest voicemail that got released today
Speaker 5: from TMZ.
Speaker 3: Oh, I haven't heard it.
Speaker 5: I mean it it sounds take. There's two ways to
Speaker 5: talk about the sound of something. One is like, oh man,
Speaker 5: that sounds bad, like they said awful things. I'm not
Speaker 5: talking about that. I'm talking about like the sound quality.
Speaker 5: Like to me, that sounded doctorate as hell, Like yeah,
Speaker 5: if it's real, it's bad. And it may be real,
Speaker 5: I don't know, But to me, it just sounded like
Speaker 5: a script, Like it's almost like she or who maybe
Speaker 5: her attorney, who Shannon Sharp claims is doing this whole thing.
Speaker 5: There was like they have audio of Shannon Sharp saying
Speaker 5: certain things and they cut it up and had her
Speaker 5: say stuff in between to make it sound worse.
Speaker 4: Than it actually is.
Speaker 5: And again I would never say that if it you know,
Speaker 5: I work in audio, like it's what we do. Like
Speaker 5: to me, it just sounds doctor. But either way, even
Speaker 5: if everything is totally one billion percent consensual and it
Speaker 5: is a shakedown, Shannon Sharp, man, you gotta grow up, dude,
Speaker 5: Like maybe if I was in your position, I would
Speaker 5: be living the lifestyle you're living. But like, come on,
Speaker 5: unc like it's a bad look. And I don't mean
Speaker 5: just with this situation. I mean like, you know you
Speaker 5: are aldo to be her grandpa. Maybe maybe that's maybe
Speaker 5: that's a little bit of a stretch. Be Anyways, we
Speaker 5: got a lot to get to stick around. Austin's back.
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Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, I was, I was.
Speaker 5: I was not surprised to see that what happened with
Speaker 5: the NBA action on Monday night was was an outlier
Speaker 5: because we didn't get very competitive games last night and
Speaker 5: if you missed at Austin randomly on Monday, we had
Speaker 5: too phenomenal NBA playoff games that if if that's if
Speaker 5: that's what we ended up getting every night in the playoffs,
Speaker 5: like the NBA product would be much better. Which again,
Speaker 5: so the Pistons outlasted New York in the Garden and
Speaker 5: that was a close finish, and then the Nuggets fell
Speaker 5: short because Kawhi Leonard returned to being like the Kawhi
Speaker 5: Leonard of old, and the Clippers upsets. So it was
Speaker 5: two upsets, and I don't it wasn't just that, but
Speaker 5: I guess that that made it, you know, a good
Speaker 5: result for me as far as entertaining.
Speaker 4: It was just the fact that the games were competitive themselves.
Speaker 5: Honestly, had New York come back and won and the
Speaker 5: nug or the Nuggets held on to win, I still
Speaker 5: would have been saying the same thing, but the fact
Speaker 5: that he was close throughout you had to both games,
Speaker 5: you had two separate instances where it looked like there
Speaker 5: was gonna maybe be a little bit of a fight
Speaker 5: that broke out, which I don't think there really was,
Speaker 5: but that just speaks to it being competitive, and it
Speaker 5: was nice to see that given the fact that on
Speaker 5: Sunday you had a team lose by fifty one points
Speaker 5: in the playoffs. Well last night, I guess it wasn't
Speaker 5: as bad as you know, fifty one points, but the Pacers,
Speaker 5: my Pacers held on to to move to two and
Speaker 5: zero against the Bucks. And then of course the Grizzlies.
Speaker 5: They're the ones who lost about fifty one on Easter Sunday,
Speaker 5: not as bad last night, but they were never really
Speaker 5: in it late and got killed. Which I don't want
Speaker 5: to make it a whole thing today, but John Moran,
Speaker 5: like it is wild that his that his career is
Speaker 5: kind of I shouldn't say like flamed out, because that's
Speaker 5: I mean, he's still young, but this was a guy
Speaker 5: that had as much upside and promise as anybody in
Speaker 5: the NBA in a long long time. And you know,
Speaker 5: now he's just immature and you know, can't seem to
Speaker 5: get out of his own way with not stuff that's
Speaker 5: like you know, super crazy criminal, but like just being
Speaker 5: an idiot.
Speaker 4: And I never saw that. I never saw John.
Speaker 5: Morant being the guy that you know, would would you know,
Speaker 5: be in trouble with the NBA because of just silly,
Speaker 5: avoidable things, And it looks like maybe he's gotten past that.
Speaker 5: I think this year the only thing I could think
Speaker 5: of was that he kept getting teed up for the
Speaker 5: pulling up his shirt like he had a gun under
Speaker 5: his waist.
Speaker 4: Which again, that's just that's just stupid, Like you why
Speaker 4: would you do that?
Speaker 5: Like it's one thing to do it and have fun,
Speaker 5: but once you know that, it's like something you're gonna
Speaker 5: get teed up for and the association doesn't like you
Speaker 5: doing it and they're going to find you for it
Speaker 5: or give you a technical like and you continue to
Speaker 5: do it like it's just dumb and avoidable.
Speaker 4: Like brother, you lived that more bad state, Yeah exactly.
Speaker 5: And you know, like the fact that he's still the
Speaker 5: franchise player for the Grizzlies, and like they're they're not
Speaker 5: that good and they're getting beat by fifty points in
Speaker 5: a playoff game. That's not all on him, but like,
Speaker 5: I never would have thought that he'd be in this
Speaker 5: position where he's the franchise guy and his team's getting beat.
Speaker 4: Bad in the playoffs.
Speaker 5: And again, the thunder are really good, so it's not
Speaker 5: like they're getting beat by bums. But I don't know,
Speaker 5: I just it's almost like his career hit a little
Speaker 5: bit of a roadblock. And you know, he's still young,
Speaker 5: he's still got time, he's talented as hell, and he
Speaker 5: did have an injury last year that was a big
Speaker 5: factor in him kind of just you know, not being
Speaker 5: super relevant. It just seems like in the last couple
Speaker 5: of years, specifically, when he's been discussed, it's been for
Speaker 5: him being in trouble, him doing something stupid off the floor,
Speaker 5: or you know, being injured and then another game that
Speaker 5: ended up being you know, I guess this one. This
Speaker 5: one was pretty competitive last night the Lakers and the
Speaker 5: and the Tea Wolves. Yeah, so I'm not gonna lie
Speaker 5: to you and act like, oh yeah, I'm all in
Speaker 5: on the NBA now, But in the last two nights,
Speaker 5: I have at least had it on more than I
Speaker 5: thought I would.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I haven't had it.
Speaker 3: On Monday night. And I know which I guess you
Speaker 3: were reminded me of what I watch because I did
Speaker 3: watch that Nuggets And I know you bet on the
Speaker 3: NIXT game too, so yeah, I ssure you and and
Speaker 3: yeah it fell through and I had Okay, still, the
Speaker 3: riot is what it's all about. Baby.
Speaker 5: You want to win, but if you don't, you know,
Speaker 5: for a good chunk of the game where that you're watching,
Speaker 5: you don't know if you're gonna win or lose. And
Speaker 5: that's what's entertaining about it, right.
Speaker 3: I was. I desperately needed Jokic to hit that fall
Speaker 3: away three at the buzzer to send over time because
Speaker 3: I would have put him at thirty points and I
Speaker 3: had him at thirty.
Speaker 4: And banged it off the side of the backboard, so
Speaker 4: it just clunked.
Speaker 3: It built my house with that shot.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that uh, but that should be a good series,
Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, yeah, I mean, we'll say, Kawhi Leonard
Speaker 5: shows up and he was on fire the end of
Speaker 5: night in one thing before we get back into the
Speaker 5: James Scott situation. Somebody did send in a kind of
Speaker 5: a counter to my my comments about the NBA Final,
Speaker 5: like the NBA playoffs not being that competitive, and they
Speaker 5: did share some real numbers that would make me look
Speaker 5: like I'm wrong, But you left out like the important
Speaker 5: detail that I talked about, because there have been some
Speaker 5: really like really competitive series as far as you know,
Speaker 5: three games to to you know, winning four games to three,
Speaker 5: or you know winning in six or seven. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's usually a pretty competitive series. If it goes to
Speaker 5: six or seven, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about it's not competitive because a lot of these games
Speaker 5: are blowouts, which again that's the product the game itself,
Speaker 5: not just the series lead the series, you know, game
Speaker 5: by games, it's in between. And also you never get
Speaker 5: many upsets either. So like even if a game, even
Speaker 5: if a series does goes if so, if a series
Speaker 5: goes to seven, yet the top seed ends up winning
Speaker 5: the series, and the average margin of victory in all
Speaker 5: seven games is like twenty five plus points. Yeah, the
Speaker 5: series I guess overall was competitive where you got to
Speaker 5: extend it to seven games, but everything in between you know,
Speaker 5: the actual stuff that matters was awful.
Speaker 4: That was my point.
Speaker 5: But anyways, back to James Scott for those who missed it,
Speaker 5: I guess yesterday he hit the portal, or maybe he
Speaker 5: did it before then and we just didn't know, Like
Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know, and I guess it's
Speaker 5: really not important. But what I'd love to find out
Speaker 5: is that he did he tell the team, like did
Speaker 5: he tell this? Did he tell Pat Kelsey, Hey, just
Speaker 5: so you know, I'm going to hit the portal? And uh,
Speaker 5: you know, I wanted you to find out for me,
Speaker 5: or did he not? And it became news this morning
Speaker 5: because somebody realized he was in the portal. Like, I
Speaker 5: don't even know who broke the story. I know Jody
Speaker 5: Dimmling is the first person I saw as far as
Speaker 5: just you know, on Twitter. Jeff Borzella also had something
Speaker 5: at ESPN, and uh, you know, I guess it really
Speaker 5: doesn't matter. But if you're somebody that that maybe is
Speaker 5: of the opinion that he could he could get a
Speaker 5: bigger offer to come back to Louisville than I guess
Speaker 5: the offer that he had to to to stay initially,
Speaker 5: then you know that'd be great. But I feel like
Speaker 5: if if, if this was a last minute thing and
Speaker 5: he just kind of you know, waited and waited weighted,
Speaker 5: and then he got the confirmation that Casen was back,
Speaker 5: and then he decided, you know, I'm out. I mean
Speaker 5: hard Again, it's weird because it's hard for me to
Speaker 5: imagine any scenario where Pat Kelsey wouldn't want to do
Speaker 5: everything he can to keep James Scott around, because again,
Speaker 5: I think he's the perfect fit for a guy who
Speaker 5: you know, does things the right way and he's good too,
Speaker 5: by the way, Like I James Scott is somebody that
Speaker 5: last year averaged what seven points a game. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's not like you can't go replace his production. And
Speaker 5: something we've talked about quite a bit when it comes
Speaker 5: to James Scott other than you know, his cool mask
Speaker 5: and his.
Speaker 4: Dunks.
Speaker 5: What did he finish top three in the country and
Speaker 5: dunks in a season. Other than that, we've discussed that
Speaker 5: he is kind of a liability at times on offense.
Speaker 5: I mean, he is not very polished as as an
Speaker 5: offensive player, and you know that played out at times
Speaker 5: this year. But he averaged seven points, six rebounds, had
Speaker 5: eighty dunks. In fact, It was the second most in
Speaker 5: the country and the second most in a single season
Speaker 5: in u of L history, behind only Mantrez Harald who
Speaker 5: I'm convinced they'll never be anybody that breaks Montrez's dunks record.
Speaker 5: So it's not like you're losing somebody that you can't
Speaker 5: go out there and find. I mean, hell, when it
Speaker 5: comes to just production seven and six a game, Sonny
Speaker 5: Frew may give you that. I mean a'll Lei Khalifa
Speaker 5: can give you that. These are guys that are coming
Speaker 5: in that that you know, will I think easily be
Speaker 5: able to collectively fill that void as far as just
Speaker 5: the numbers. But with James Scott, you know, for those
Speaker 5: that you know kind of think, well, you know, we're
Speaker 5: not really losing a whole lot.
Speaker 4: There was a lot left to be desired.
Speaker 5: When it comes to you know, his his game offensively
Speaker 5: at times, he wasn't super physical. I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: you're you're not wrong, but I just feel like getting
Speaker 5: guys that'll that'll give you that type of energy, has
Speaker 5: a motor that's always running, can rim run. I mean,
Speaker 5: that's not something that's just easy to go find. And
Speaker 5: I think this past year where we saw James Scott
Speaker 5: at times look like an offensive liability, and you know,
Speaker 5: just because let's be real, if he wasn't if he
Speaker 5: wasn't above the rim dunking a lob at times on offense,
Speaker 5: like he was probably gonna screw up.
Speaker 4: I mean, he just he was like he walked, he
Speaker 4: would walk.
Speaker 5: He miss free throws, you know, if he had the
Speaker 5: to be honest with you as much I love James
Speaker 5: Scott and I hate that he's leaving. If he had
Speaker 5: the ball and you know it wasn't him for a
Speaker 5: millisecond above the rim throwing it down, I got nervous
Speaker 5: because he just you know, he's he's he's not very
Speaker 5: polished offensively, and I think we would have been able
Speaker 5: to avoid a lot seeing a lot of that had
Speaker 5: had the injuries not happened. I mean, with Noah Waterman
Speaker 5: really never getting going, like let's let's just be real.
Speaker 5: Noah was probably the biggest disappointment of anybody that Louisville
Speaker 5: brought in. And I think a lot of it was
Speaker 5: that he, you know, he got injured and didn't tell him.
Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't know, but he you know, broke
Speaker 5: his broke a bone in his hand, or something like that.
Speaker 5: He couldn't never get a shot to fall. He'd added
Speaker 5: some weight like and also he kind of had to
Speaker 5: when Cason went out, Noah had to kind of adjust
Speaker 5: what he was brought in to do. Same thing for James.
Speaker 5: So that along with Caate so caseon and Noah being
Speaker 5: out for a good I mean case in prior missed
Speaker 5: almost the whole season, Noah Waterman was kind of in
Speaker 5: and out, and even when he did play, I never
Speaker 5: really felt like he was anywhere close to the guy
Speaker 5: that Louisville was expecting to be brought in. So James
Speaker 5: Scott had a lot more on his plate this year
Speaker 5: than I think he would have ever had at Louisville, Meaning,
Speaker 5: you know, he's not a guy that you're gonna have
Speaker 5: playing that many minutes just because you know, if there
Speaker 5: was a more serviceable big that could actually give you
Speaker 5: some production around the rim, they would have played him.
Speaker 5: But they didn't have that guy. I mean, outside of
Speaker 5: James Scott. It was it was Big Frank, and you
Speaker 5: know he gave you all he could. So what I
Speaker 5: loved about the front court next year, and I still
Speaker 5: think even before James Scott decided to hit the portal.
Speaker 5: I still think they it would have been nice to
Speaker 5: see them add another another guy that's just got some
Speaker 5: skill around the rim that could give you some you know,
Speaker 5: some basic is somebody that the opposing team's got to
Speaker 5: worry about if they get the ball on the low block.
Speaker 5: Not to say that they're gonna double team them, but
Speaker 5: just somebody that is able to score a little bit
Speaker 5: around the rim. That's just you know, James James Scott
Speaker 5: can do that, but it's if he's catching lobs. So
Speaker 5: areas where James Scott struggles, you know, offense, that's where
Speaker 5: Cason pryor Ali Khalifa, Sonny Frew, like, those guys are
Speaker 5: great in those areas. And I'm not saying they're not
Speaker 5: good at the things James Scott does, but they're they're
Speaker 5: not six' eleven rim running like he. Is they're not
Speaker 5: they're not as athletic as he.
Speaker 4: Is probably.
Speaker 5: SO i just felt like last, Year James, scott if
Speaker 5: you felt like at, times you, know there was a
Speaker 5: lot left to be desired and he wasn't good enough
Speaker 5: to play here in a big, ROLE i think you,
Speaker 5: know you're probably, right because he was having to do
Speaker 5: more than he probably ever would have to do For
Speaker 5: louisville if they didn't have. Injuries so next, year if
Speaker 5: he's coming off the bench and he's playing twenty minutes
Speaker 5: and he's just you, know he, rebounding he's setting, screens
Speaker 5: he's rim, running he's catching, lobs he's giving you every
Speaker 5: bit of energy that he. Has that's not a guy
Speaker 5: that you can value based off of how many points
Speaker 5: he scores or how many rebounds he. Gets that's a guy,
Speaker 5: that you, know it's just a good it's just a
Speaker 5: good player to. Have AND i just think one of
Speaker 5: the best things About James, scott maybe the best thing
Speaker 5: about his, game is that he knows who he is
Speaker 5: as a player and he sticks to that right like he.
Speaker 5: DOES i, mean that's what kind of makes it even
Speaker 5: more insane about the offensive issues that we saw from
Speaker 5: him last, year is, that you, know it wasn't as
Speaker 5: if he had a whole lot of opportunity to just you,
Speaker 5: know create and go to work on, offense because nobody
Speaker 5: would ever dial that up for. Him but just because
Speaker 5: he played so many, minutes because the team was so,
Speaker 5: thin he just at times found himself in spots where you,
Speaker 5: know shot clock's, low he's got the, ball what's he gonna?
Speaker 5: Do you, know sometimes he would just you, know miss
Speaker 5: a layup or kick it off his. FOOT i, MEAN
Speaker 5: i don't want to pick on the, guy but he
Speaker 5: ended up having to do that more than he probably ever.
Speaker 5: Intended AND i just think it would have been perfect
Speaker 5: next year for him to just play the role that
Speaker 5: he is supposed to. Play so guys who know who
Speaker 5: they are and stick to. That that's a value THAT
Speaker 5: i just don't think that people realize just how important that.
Speaker 5: Is like he's not out there trying, to you, know
Speaker 5: take somebody one on. One he could play twenty five
Speaker 5: minutes a, game not take a single shot and be
Speaker 5: totally happy and be.
Speaker 4: Fine that's that's hard to. Find that's.
Speaker 5: Rare not many guys are content with just going out
Speaker 5: there and doing the dirty, work and he. Was and
Speaker 5: that's to, me that's the biggest miss here is THAT
Speaker 5: i just don't think it's going to be easy to
Speaker 5: find somebody to replace. Him now, again the, production you
Speaker 5: could replace, that no. Problem and maybe Maybe Sonny frew's
Speaker 5: a guy who brings some things that are that's similar
Speaker 5: to What James scott. Brings as far as just that high,
Speaker 5: motor a guy that you, know seems to never really get, tired,
Speaker 5: selfless physical. Enough at times it looked Like James scott would,
Speaker 5: be you, know not pushed. Around but at times you felt, Like,
Speaker 5: okay he needs to he needs to you, know develop
Speaker 5: a little bit more in the weight. Room but let's be,
Speaker 5: honest he was a nineteen year old sophomore last year
Speaker 5: going up against you, KNOW i mean Grown of all
Speaker 5: the guys On louisvill's team that played big, minutes most
Speaker 5: of them were grown men twenty, two twenty, three twenty
Speaker 5: four years. Old James scott was nineteen and he turned,
Speaker 5: NINETEEN i believe during that last, season so he was.
Speaker 5: Young him and AND i were the only guys that got
Speaker 5: minutes that are legitimately young.
Speaker 4: Players SO.
Speaker 5: I can't really you, KNOW i don't know If i'm
Speaker 5: If i'm explaining myself as well AS i want. To
Speaker 5: but it's not the end of the, world trust. Me
Speaker 5: BUT i just think when you get put it this,
Speaker 5: way one of the things we've discussed really over the
Speaker 5: last year and certainly, recently when you have the rosters
Speaker 5: starting to kind of finalize and there's only a couple
Speaker 5: of spots. Left it's hard to find guys that are
Speaker 5: willing to come in and be your you, know eight
Speaker 5: piece because they're in the. Portal they want big, money
Speaker 5: they want big, opportunity and right, now you, know it's
Speaker 5: hard to sell that if your team's almost. Complete James
Speaker 5: scott is a guy, who you, know let's just hypothetically,
Speaker 5: speaking if he's transferring from somewhere else And louisville has
Speaker 5: a spot open and they need a guy to come.
Speaker 5: In it's not worried about getting twelve shot, attempts that's
Speaker 5: not worried about, starting that's not worried about playing thirty five.
Speaker 5: Minutes James scott would be the perfect piece and he
Speaker 5: just lost. Him so that to, me that's why it's
Speaker 5: a big. Deal now again WHEN i say, big big,
Speaker 5: DEAL i don't mean into the. World But louisville had
Speaker 5: a good season this past. Year he was not as
Speaker 5: impactful as As Chucky hepburn Or Terrence edwards Or Rain
Speaker 5: smith Or Javon. Hadley but when you only played like
Speaker 5: six guys consistently all, year because again the rotation got
Speaker 5: to seven and. Eight but Like Trey, ora he didn't
Speaker 5: get healthy and able to play Until. JANUARY i, Mean,
Speaker 5: chuck he missed some time rain obviously didn't play much
Speaker 5: at the end of the, year and and wasn't even
Speaker 5: ready to play in the last. GAME i, mean there
Speaker 5: were there Were there were probably five guys that really
Speaker 5: were able to play in healthy all year that gave
Speaker 5: you know that that were that were there and ready to.
Speaker 4: Go and And james was one of those. Guys so you,
Speaker 4: know he.
Speaker 5: Was this was a special season AND i kind of
Speaker 5: would have loved to have seen a guy stick stick,
Speaker 5: it stick it out through his entire career here to
Speaker 5: where you, know maybe by the time he's a, senior
Speaker 5: this team is legitimately one of the best in the
Speaker 5: country with a chance to maybe do something really really,
Speaker 5: special and we'll remember back to where it all. Started
Speaker 5: he was impactful in that year as. Well but What
Speaker 5: i've got to learn is THAT i GOTTA i GUESS
Speaker 5: i gotta, listen listen to the ADVICE i give a
Speaker 5: lot of fans every every. Day four your, players that's, rare,
Speaker 5: man that's just not gonna that's just the scenario where
Speaker 5: you have four year guys moving. Forward it's almost. Impossible
Speaker 5: BUT i kind of felt Like james was going to
Speaker 5: be the. Guy, well, yeah of, COURSE i mean he
Speaker 5: he's he's contenting role here because he's not a me.
Speaker 5: Guy he's, selfless he Loves Pat, kelsey he plays, Hard
Speaker 5: he's not looking to go somewhere and score thirty points a.
Speaker 5: Game so he'll be. Fine WELL i was. Wrong now
Speaker 5: where he ends, up we'll. See but it sounds LIKE
Speaker 5: Nc state And Will wade have Let James scott know that, hey,
Speaker 5: buddy if you hit the, portal we want you and
Speaker 5: we got a big bag of money for you in
Speaker 5: a big. Role and it sounds like that's what led
Speaker 5: to him making this. Decision so it's a, bummer no.
Speaker 5: Doubt but again this is a reminder for me that
Speaker 5: never be surprised by anybody leaving the leaving your program
Speaker 5: and hitting the, portal because sometimes guys are going to
Speaker 5: do it just because they.
Speaker 4: Can AND i think With, james.
Speaker 5: You, know although he is content not being a guy
Speaker 5: that's taken twenty five shots a, GAME i mean that's an,
Speaker 5: exaggeration but you, know his playing time might have been
Speaker 5: significantly lower as a you, know next, year as a
Speaker 5: guy off the. Bench that's really just you, know a
Speaker 5: seventh maybe an eighth. Man and as much as he
Speaker 5: doesn't want to, necessarily you, know be the guy he
Speaker 5: did just play thirty something minutes a game and that
Speaker 5: would be a big step. Back AND i guess if you're,
Speaker 5: him you know that's not something you want to. Do all,
Speaker 5: right quick, Break we'll come back on the other. Side
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Speaker 5: Com has there been any college athlete actually give money
Speaker 5: back to AN nil collective or AN nil you, know
Speaker 5: somebody who paid them to endorse their company or whatever it.
Speaker 4: IS i can't.
Speaker 3: IMAGINE i, mean.
Speaker 5: They're jew, no BECAUSE i feel like it's one of
Speaker 5: those things that like you just tell, them, Yeah i'll
Speaker 5: see in. Court you, know they're not going to really
Speaker 5: go through with trying, to you, know legally recoup that.
Speaker 5: MONEY i, mean they have a right to if they.
Speaker 5: Want but, man there's just that players can fully take
Speaker 5: advantage of. It and these schools are trying their best
Speaker 5: to figure out whatever they got to do to compete
Speaker 5: at the highest, level but they get burned with with with,
Speaker 5: money you know WHAT i. Mean and it's JUST i
Speaker 5: mean the, SCHOOLS i GUESS i should say the, collectives
Speaker 5: which technically really is the schools in a lot of,
Speaker 5: instances like they're they're in a winless position at times
Speaker 5: because what they're doing in order to get, players you,
Speaker 5: know to try to win is technically in the eyes
Speaker 5: of THE nc DOUBLE, a in their delusional world that
Speaker 5: they live. In it's it's not because they're you, know
Speaker 5: they're they're here to. Play it's because you just gave
Speaker 5: them money for who they. Are well in what contract
Speaker 5: can you you, KNOW i don't. Know just it's it's
Speaker 5: it's an absolute. Mess but the Reason i'll bring it
Speaker 5: up is because we have more on the story we
Speaker 5: talked about a little bit yesterday Because, arkansas AGAIN i
Speaker 5: believe they're the first program to have like their athletic
Speaker 5: director put out an official statement claiming that they are
Speaker 5: trying to get money back from some of these players
Speaker 5: that decided to you, know take, money come to their
Speaker 5: school and then leave without. Playing but what, AGAIN i
Speaker 5: just have a hard time thinking that as it stands right,
Speaker 5: now there's currently SOME i, mean there's a reason like.
Speaker 5: This this is all about to change with revenue sharing
Speaker 5: and all that kind of. Stuff it'll be, Different BUT
Speaker 5: i still don't know until we get. There as far
Speaker 5: as just how this thing has been the last couple of,
Speaker 5: Years i'm just not sure if there's going to be
Speaker 5: anything in writing that would legally, require according to you,
Speaker 5: know like a, judge to have these players give money,
Speaker 5: back because THE ncaa is making it to where anything
Speaker 5: you have in writing is not pay for. Play so
Speaker 5: they were, there they didn't stick around very, long they didn't,
Speaker 5: play but.
Speaker 4: Yet they showed. Up so are they still entitled to that.
Speaker 5: Money you can put provisions in the contract that, stay you,
Speaker 5: know you need to be here for a certain amount of.
Speaker 4: Time BUT i don't. Know it's just it's a.
Speaker 5: Mess and what's great that when these when these schools
Speaker 5: through their nil collectives are OR i guess they're, gms
Speaker 5: because that's that's a position that's clearly very you know
Speaker 5: that that's a role that's popping up everywhere now when
Speaker 5: they're scrambling to try, to you, know get players because
Speaker 5: they want to compete at a high. Level they want to,
Speaker 5: win they want to. Succeed in the, moment they're probably
Speaker 5: not really thinking about we better cover our ass here
Speaker 5: and make sure that if this guy screws, us we
Speaker 5: have we have some protection within the. CONTRACT i mean
Speaker 5: you should, be but, LIKE i don't think that that's
Speaker 5: probably in the. Mind Like i'm sure if you're a
Speaker 5: head coach and you're telling YOUR gm and you're collective, people,
Speaker 5: hey figure this. Out we got to get this. Done
Speaker 5: like you, KNOW i guess you in the back of
Speaker 5: your mind, know, yeah we better cover our own our rear.
Speaker 5: Ends but you just want the player because you want to,
Speaker 5: win and you know that if you don't get it done,
Speaker 5: quickly they're gonna get money and go. Elsewhere but, yeah
Speaker 5: the uh this is from on Three sports That. ARKANSAS
Speaker 5: i guess now has two student athletes that they have
Speaker 5: have sent two demand letters to asking them to fulfill
Speaker 5: buy out. Clauses, SO i guess if you have a buyout,
Speaker 5: clause then you have to write yes and.
Speaker 3: NO i would think So but then, again this is
Speaker 3: WHY i always imagine this stuff getting. Tricky it's so
Speaker 3: messy during right, here during these gray. Areas and because
Speaker 3: because and.
Speaker 5: AGAIN i would am, like like the buyout, clauses LIKE
Speaker 5: i would imagine that that would make it to where
Speaker 5: like a good Dad arkansas sending demand. Letters they're not
Speaker 5: this far in this process if they don't truly believe
Speaker 5: that they have in writing what would get them their money.
Speaker 5: Back So i'm assuming that the contracts are worded the
Speaker 5: way that, yeah if you, leave which these guys, did
Speaker 5: Meaning nico's little brother who Left arkansas to go back TO,
Speaker 5: ucla like you got to pay that money. Back BUT
Speaker 5: i could see a scenario where the family hires a
Speaker 5: lawyer and they, say, look the contract that this nil
Speaker 5: collective put in place wasn't actually something that they were
Speaker 5: allowed to do according to THE, ncaa because you, know
Speaker 5: this contract wasn't for me to come and play. Football
Speaker 5: it was for me to you, know it was for
Speaker 5: me to come to school there and you know exist and,
Speaker 5: YEAH i, left BUT i still.
Speaker 4: Came there and it.
Speaker 5: Existed, yeah and you, know the buyout clause did state
Speaker 5: THAT i needed to be there for a certain amount of.
Speaker 5: Time BUT i wanted to transfer TO ucla to be
Speaker 5: a student because they've got a great program for for,
Speaker 5: this and you, KNOW i. DIDN'T i didn't anticipate that.
Speaker 5: Happening but the INSTABLE, a you, know SAYS i can transfer,
Speaker 5: Whenever so why WOULD i have to pay money? Back
Speaker 5: like it's just it's an absolute. Mess BUT i do
Speaker 5: think at least at this, point this is the Furthest
Speaker 5: i've seen a school actually take take this kind of
Speaker 5: action to try to get their money. Back AND i get,
Speaker 5: IT i totally. Do so what's going to happen is
Speaker 5: that there's going to be when it comes to revenue.
Speaker 5: Sharing so, yeah this is FROM a three. Sports let
Speaker 5: me read this real quick and then we'll get to our.
Speaker 5: Break most schools now include buyouts and revenue sharing contracts
Speaker 5: or inn nil collected deals that are being transitioned to revshare.
Speaker 5: Contracts that'll happen this, Summer so the contracts that you're
Speaker 5: going to get are going to be.
Speaker 4: Rev, share not IN.
Speaker 5: Il, THEREFORE i MEAN i could say that that's MONEY
Speaker 5: i think you can, recoup because again this is something
Speaker 5: that THE nc DOUBLE a is allowing these schools to
Speaker 5: do to where, yes if you agreed to come here and,
Speaker 5: play you get a certain amount of money from THE rev,
Speaker 5: share but if you end up, leaving then you have
Speaker 5: to give that money. Back like because in that, aspect
Speaker 5: THE nc DOUBLE a is this is, there this is their, doing.
Speaker 5: Right they're the ones who are telling you that you
Speaker 5: can share revenue and they're gonna have some guardrails and some.
Speaker 5: Regulations but THE nil, component it's it's and again it's
Speaker 5: not going, away LIKE nil is going to be still
Speaker 5: a very very impactful thing because if everybody's sharing the
Speaker 5: same amount of, revenue you're all at an even level playing.
Speaker 5: Field where you get an edge is you come over
Speaker 5: the top with a BIG onil. Deal and that's how
Speaker 5: these guys are going to decidehere to. Go it's pro,
Speaker 5: SPORTS i, mean that's what it, is all, right quick,
Speaker 5: break we got two more hours. Left stick, around we
Speaker 5: got a lot more to get. Into we'll talk a
Speaker 5: little more about The James scott. Situation and you, Know
Speaker 5: Travis perry not as big of a deal For kentucky
Speaker 5: to lose him because clearly they can more than make
Speaker 5: up with the production they lost with. Him but THEY
Speaker 5: i think they thought With pope we could have the
Speaker 5: four Year kentucky, boy AND i guess it's still technically.
Speaker 5: Possible But Travis perry all time letting score in the
Speaker 5: history of high school basketball in the state Of. Kentucky
Speaker 5: one year At, Kentucky he's now. Gone coffee And. Company
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