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Speaker 1: Then put your little hand.

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Speaker 2: In the.

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Speaker 1: Mountain we can't find. Okay, Shirley Fans, rise and shine

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and don't forget your booties cause it's cool.

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Speaker 3: It's cold out there every day. What is its Miami Beach?

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Speaker 1: Jason? Do you have daja vo? I don't know, but

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I can check in the kitchen. Do you think Phil

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is gonna come out and see his shadow today? Pak

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Satani Phil. That's right, Woodchuck Chuckers.

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Speaker 3: It's grown day.

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Speaker 1: Shirley Fans, welcome back to the Shirley You Can't be

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Serious podcast. We are here with season four. I can't

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believe we've been doing this for three seasons now. It's

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like day one. It's just exciting and fun every single time. Jason,

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I don't know what you're doing later, but can you

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call in six ladies? And I am d Graves and

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I am here with my co host Jason Colvin, the

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fastest jack in Johnson County.

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Speaker 3: We have a great matchup today to begin season four.

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This is one we've been wrestling with a little bit. Today.

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This will be Groundhog Day versus Multiplicity. These are both

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Harold Ramis directed movies.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got lots of cast members in common. We've

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got an almost cast member in common, and we can

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talk about why Groundhog Day was such a monumental success

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like it was, and Multiplicity definitely fell short.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we definitely need to talk about that for sure.

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I've got some ideas, like small changes that would make

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Multiplicity way better because it was funny. There's definitely some

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funny parts.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we will definitely get into that. And just

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as a teaser, ladies and gentlemen, in nineteen eighty three,

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March of nineteen eighty three, almost exactly forty years ago,

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the underground scene as what Waters came, was the best

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blues heart player in the world. He was also a

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host on a TV show that was kind of a

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pre runner for MTV, and he was bludgeoned to death

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in his skid Row apartment on March third, nineteen eighty three,

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and one of the key members of these two movies

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was immediately a suspect in the murder.

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Speaker 3: I had forgotten about that. We've already talked about that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our Guestbuster's episode. So that's the teaser. I will

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bring you back to that story. When we get to multiplicity,

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you do such a great job of laying the hook,

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the bludgeon to death thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on the hook and I've heard the story.

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Speaker 1: But before we jump into all of the other stuff,

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we got to say something about our fans. Number one,

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Shirley fans are the best fans in the world. Number two,

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we got to give a special shout out to Chris Weber.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris Weber has sent us, over the course of time,

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three different records, right, and so he has sent us

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the airplanes soundtrack record Perfect which who knew airplane had

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a soundtrack? Right, It's got the Notre Dame fight song

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on there, among other things, the girls singing the River

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Jordan and its super fun record, which Chris sent to

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eighty three songs up and down from Ktael. It's super fun.

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episode all to its own, because that is an incredible

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story right there. Ktel Records. We will probably find a

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Speaker 3: So we've done songs like don't You Forget About Me

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Speaker 1: Yes, ten special episodes Jason's Pixar especially special like short

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Speaker 1: Right ey thieve.

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Speaker 3: This episode is going to be number four.

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Speaker 1: Right are.

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Speaker 3: Okay? So you're ready to dive into the creation of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's talk about Harold Ramis. He was the

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director for groundhog Day. He was the director for Multiplicity.

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He probably wrote nearly most of both scripts. But let's

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just back up and get a little picture of who

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he is. And if you don't know the name Harold Ramis,

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let me just say Egon Spengler. Yes, yeah, that would

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have worked if you hadn't stopped me.

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Speaker 3: I collected spores, molds, and fungus.

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Speaker 1: Egon, Egon, Egon Spinler. So when Egon was just a

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young Spindler, he was Harold Ramis. In Chicago, where he

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was raised, his dad owned a food and liquor store.

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Raised Jewish, went to Saint Louis to Washington University to

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go to school there. After school, he worked, I'm not

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kidding here, he worked in a psych ward for several months,

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worked in a psych ward, and he is he is

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not to say this helped me when I moved to

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Hollywood in how to deal with people. He was like,

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I'm not getting like legitimately, like when you're working with actors,

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you don't know what mental playing they're coming from, and

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so you just got to go, Okay, this guy's not

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thinking the same way I am. I can work with that.

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Speaker 3: I guarantee you. He thought about that when he was

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dealing with Bill Murray. Yeah, okay, and he dealt with

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Bill Murray from the beginning. But let's not get ahead

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of ourselves, all right. So went to the Washington University

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in Saint Louis, worked at the site ward, came back

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to Chicago, started teaching inner city kids at a high

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school there, but then also was doing stuff in like

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for Playboy magazine. And then he started working for the

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Speaker 1: And so through all of this, you know he's teaching,

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so he does more TV stuff. He gets asked to

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come right for Saturday Night Live, but doesn't want to

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do that, sticks with SCTV and ultimately starts working with

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Bill Murray and they end up doing their first projects together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So Harold Ramis wrote Meatballs, which starred Bill Murray

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that came out in nineteen seventy nine. Ivan Rightman directed

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Meatballs right and if you want a really cool crossover episode,

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we did a crossover with the guys on the film

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Buy One podcast on Ivan Ryman. It was Ghostbusters two

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and we kind of dive into this story a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely check out Ghostbusters too, Ivan Rightman is a fantastic story.

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stuff with Brad Jeff's so it was perfect. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In nineteen eighty, Harold Ramis gets his first directorial movie,

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Caddy Shack.

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But Harold Ramis finally is able to establish himself as

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the director of a high quality movie.

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Speaker 3: And then in nineteen eighty one he works with Bill

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the movie Vacation.

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in this season where we're going to compare that one

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to The Great Outdoors, another comedy classic Summer.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So now new guy to talk about. We've got

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a guy named Danny Rubin.

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Speaker 3: Right, Danny Noonan No, oh, that's Kedyshe.

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Speaker 1: You do drugs, Danny every day? What's the problem? So,

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so Danny was a guy who got his master's degree

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in film television and then again went and was teaching

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high school and realized, I don't want to do this

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this script idea after reading an Anne Rice novel.

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Speaker 3: So he is sitting in the movie theater and he's

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reading The Vampire Lestat.

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books to the movie theater, right, But if you've ever

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and he's immortal and he just continues to live forever

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him getting there. It's just he's there. And that's how

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dozens of production companies and everybody says the same thing.

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I love the script. We can't make it right. It's

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just too hard. But then Harold Ramis gets a hold

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of the script, and then we get studio money involved.

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been established now for over a decade as a heavy hitter,

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and he loves the script, and he loves the fact

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that it starts in the middle. And he goes to

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Danny He's like, I love this. I love that it

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wouldn't the audience like to know how he got there? Yeah?

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I really like that it's in the middle, and she goes,

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why did you just write it and just see how

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it turns out? Just see what you know, just for funzies. Yeah,

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the intro for the movie.

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Speaker 3: One of the things we need to talk about in

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this movie. And I don't want to show my hand

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particularly early. I think I already have. But they literally

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make every right decision, like every time they reach a

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fork in the road. Yeah, everything that they decide makes

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the movie better.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. It really does, because I got

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to say, the intro to the movie is not particularly

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exciting until the point that he hits his first second day,

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you know, like his first repeat day, and at that

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point then it's fascinating. Then it's like what's going on here?

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the reason that the intro is important, not because the

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story is particularly great, but it establishes who Bill Murray's

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character is, who Phil is right, and he is the

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same guy from Scrooge to just a few years early.

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Speaker 3: And we talked about this, he's Frank Cross right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: By the way, Danny Rubin's script didn't start out as funny.

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Speaker 1: No, it's much darker.

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Speaker 3: It's much darker. One of the things that he and

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Harold Raimis talked about was the suicide attempts. Yeah, because

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at some point, when you're stuck in this loop, dark

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And this is interesting and we'll talk about this

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is really interesting. It's not like any other script before it. Now,

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again in different iterations, but this is the original as

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far as I can tell. Like, this is the first

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one where it was I wake up and everybody else

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is doing the exact same day, and I'm the only

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one who knows we already did this, right, and it's

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great in that. How many times, I mean, in our

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forties now, how many times have you just got up

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in the morning and thought, God, I feel like I'm

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doing the exact same thing and have been doing the

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exact same thing for years now.

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Speaker 3: In our lexicon. Now, when you're like, I'm just stuck

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in Groundhog Day, yeah, we all know what that means.

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Speaker 1: I mean, guys, we're releasing this on Groundhog Day twenty

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twenty three. Right, most people in the world don't know

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what that holiday is. It is a strictly American holiday, right,

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Puck Satani Phil the groundhog comes out. If he sees

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his shadow and gets scared, it means six more weeks

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of winter. If he doesn't see his shadow, it means

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that spring is right around the corner. Well, it's six

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more weeks of winter anyway. It's just some dumb, meaningless ceremony,

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a bunch of people coming out to worship a rat.

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I remember when we used to kill a rat. But

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the movie itself has taken over the whole idea, like,

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and it's now no longer this does the groundhog see

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a shadow? It is the idea that you have a

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repeating cycle. You're stuck in a time loop. You're doing

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the same thing day after day after day.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you know why Danny Rubin chose Groundhog Day to

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be that day?

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Speaker 1: Tell me so.

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Speaker 3: After he wrote the script, you know, the time loop script,

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he's like, oh man, I'm onto something, right, this is

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a good idea the time loop. He pulled out his

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calendar is like, what's the nearest holiday that hasn't been done? Yeah, right,

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bim February second, Groundhog Day.

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Speaker 1: Boom.

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Speaker 3: That's the reason.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 1: Well, and here's the thing he in the script that

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he wrote he also had showing at the theater was

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It's a Wonderful Life. To him, the movie that you

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saw every year, like it was the movie that just

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this idea that that would be the one movie that

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was showing at the theater seemed perfect to him. But

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when Harold Ramis read the script, instead of this dark,

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kind of morbid comedy that he had. It's like a

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George Bailey style story, right where he gets to see

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the world if he wasn't in it. And in this

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scenario we see the same type of idea. And that's

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how Harold Ramis decides to go with this movie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, really, we're talking about Bill Murray dropped off

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in It's a Wonderful Life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of, kind of. It's just this, yeah, a

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very weird paradox.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is never explained. See, that's the right decision

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there too, right. I know they talked about it because

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the studio was very concerned, like will the audience go

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with you on that? You know what they talked about

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how at one point they thought maybe it would be

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a curse from somebody, you know, somebody got mad at

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you and cursed you, or you know, your hit on

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the head, or you know, there's always some sort of

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magic what happens. It's never explained.

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and talk about post production stuff. Okay, but I think

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it touches on this point in that there is a

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universal understanding of this epidemic of you feel like you're

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stuck in a time loop. Because Groundhog Day gets released

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on a Friday, as you know normally movies would, and

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actual Groundhog Day. They like release it mid February oddly enough,

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why they would have tried to get before at least

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on the day guys Suirly podcast take it out all right. Anyway,

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it comes out on a Friday, and on that Sunday,

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he gets a call from his writing partner and his

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producing partner. The partner says, they're picketing your movie in

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Santa Monica. And he's like what why, And he's like, well,

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they're not against the movie. He goes what's going on.

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He's like, well, it's all of these Hasidic Jews and

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they are walking around in circles with signs saying are

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you living the same day? Over and over again? Now,

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they start the Torah, reading the Torah on the same

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day every year, read the same verse, like every Jewish

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practicing person is reading the same verses on the same

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day throughout the year, and so they have that repetition,

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and they've got that idea. Harold Ramis's mother in law

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is a Zen Buddhist, like lived in a commune Zen

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Buddhist community for like thirty years, and when she saw it,

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she's like, oh, yeah, this is totally a Buddhist concept. Right.

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Yogi's were calling him, The Christians were calling him saying, hey,

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you've got like the Catholics were saying, he's in purgatory.

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not what's wrong enough, and so he's got to absolve himself.

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have ten thousand years to renew your spirit. Right, all

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of see, he's still all all of the and psychoanalysis.

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I mean, my gosh, I mean it's just all. It

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all has this communal, moral and philosophical relationship. He just

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managed to hit everything. And so you don't need to

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know why because everybody has it as their understanding.

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Speaker 3: It's fascinating. I know they're thrilled about it. Yeah, but

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it just magically happened and everybody identifies with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So let's jump into multiplicity I'd like you to

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meet four what that guy Gate?

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Speaker 1: Right? Okay? So Groundhog Day came out nineteen ninety three,

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Multiplicity is just three years later, nineteen ninety six, right, right,

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And before I get there, back to Peter Ivers. Yeah, okay,

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So Peter Ivers, like I said, Harvard Grad, incredible musician

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on the punk scene underground, seemed to be writing a

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lot of quality stuff. Seemed to be a guy who

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who is just on the fringes of becoming famous. And

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then mysteriously he is murdered in his own apartment. He

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had gotten he had broken up with his girlfriend. He

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moved into this kind of rat invested apartment next to

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skid row, Like you know, I heard story, you know,

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dead prostitute in the trash can. Kind of deals. Bad

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place to be to begin with, right, And he was

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the type of guy who just inherently trusted people. But

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he was the host of this TV show called New

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Wave Theater, and that show was developed by a guy

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named Dave Jove. At some point, Peter Ivers tells Dave Jove, hey,

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I don't want to do this show anymore. And it's

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not too much longer than that that Harold Ramis's wife

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starts calling people because she's a nurse. He hasn't shown

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up for his appointment. He's got an appointment with her

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and he hasn't shown up, and this is completely unlike him.

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kind of sets the alarm of hey, what where's Peter.

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Somebody needs to go check on Peter, okay, And that's

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where they find him in his bed, so badly beaten.

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It looks like it was a gunshot to the head,

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but it wasn't. He was just beaten this badly, right.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: The police botch this investigation so much that to this

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day it is still unsolved. Like they let all of

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his friends come into the apartment and wander around. Dave

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Jove literally collects his bloody sheets and takes them out

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of the apartment, and they never get investigated. The cops

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because this guy's just living on skid row just thinks

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it's some vagrant or somebody who he was being nice to,

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who are a drug deal gone bad. They're blowing it off,

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and so they don't really do a significant investigation in this.

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what has happened. She's absolutely hysterical, and so when they

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see her reaction, they suspect Harold Ramis for the murder

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because they think, oh, with her reaction, nobody who wasn't

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in some sort of romantic relationship with Peter Ivers would

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react this way, and so they suspect Harold Ramis. Of

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course he had an alibi, it wasn't him. But interestingly,

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Dave Jove, when Peter Ivers dies, develops a brand new

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show called The Top and that is produced and written

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by Harold Ramis, Like you can see how you could

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go wow, he kind of took over his spot after

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he died. He was a suspect in the murder. But

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Harold Ramis, everybody will say, is just the nicest guy

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in the world.

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Speaker 3: You know, I've heard that, and he seems to be

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this very warm, jovial, easy to get along with guy.

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And we know we know Bill Murray is a pain

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in the butt and very difficult. Yeah, Bill Murray and

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Harold Ramis after a Groundhog Day. Keep in mind they

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made Caddy Scheck Stripes, Ghostbusters Ghostbusters two.

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Speaker 1: They worked in Chicago. They were working right like they

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were fifteen years of close friendship.

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Speaker 3: I saw Harold Ramis's daughter talking about this. She's like,

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I don't really know what happened, but they were friends

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when they made the movie, and then when they finished

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the movie, they weren't friends. And they were not friends

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all the way until Harold Ramis was on his deathbed

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about to die, and that's when Bill Murray showed up

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and they reconciled.

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Speaker 1: They didn't speak for twenty years. It's crazy, it's nuts.

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Speaker 3: And then you get that little tribute in Ghostbusters Afterlife,

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Yeah to Harold Ramis. Yeah, kind of nice, yep, Okay,

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so multiplicity. I'm sorry we got steered off right there.

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Speaker 1: Harold Ramis a suspect, but we know it wasn't really him.

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But Harold Ramis did know Peter Ivers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Peter Ivers had another close friend who was also

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close friends with Harold Ramis. Okay, and his name was

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Douglas Kenny.

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Speaker 3: Doug Kenny.

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Speaker 1: Yes, So all of these guys worked together in various ways.

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And Douglas Kenny, of course, key member of the Animal

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House Group, key member of Caddie Shack, has a very

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weird death circumstance himself. It is. There's a great documentary

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out there on it, but Harold Ramis says, Okay, I'm

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going to go back to one of my one of

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the National Lampoon stories that I've seen, and I'm going

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to make the main character's name Doug Kenny number two.

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No more dougs. That's it.

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Speaker 3: This is plenty. I think.

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Speaker 1: Morning we're out of the Doug making business all together.

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Speaker 3: That's really cool. Yeah, by the way, if you don't

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know who Doug Kenny is an Animal House, he's got

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a real prominent, real famous, real quotable line. It's the

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guy is like, well, what the hell was supposed to

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do you moron? That's Doug Kenny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He died in Hawaii under very mysterious circumstances. Yeah, they

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just found his body at the bottom of a cliff.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember the quote. I think it was

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something like I think, and it may have been Harold

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Ramis that said this. I think Doug fell when he

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was looking for a place to jump off. I think

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that's I think that's basically where they got with that one.

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an act in National Lampoon Animal House with Doug Kenney

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and also a writer on The National Lampoon was a

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guy named Chris Miller. And just to tell you how

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close he is, his nickname when he was in college

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was Pentot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 1: He would go on and write several other things. He

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was a writer on Square Pegs, the series with.

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Speaker 3: Sarah Jessica PARKERSCA Parker.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But he wrote a story in nineteen ninety three

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in The National Lampoon that was called Multiplicity. And it

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was this same story that Harold Ramis decided to take

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and make into a full movie. And once again, he

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probably wrote forty percent of the script. But because of

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the rules if you're the director, you can't have writing

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credit unless you write fifty percent or more. So he

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is not listed as a writer on this movie. But

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he probably is right right, But Chris Miller is the

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guy who penned the original story. Now I will say this.

472
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:55,000
I didn't realize it before, but multiplicity is a psychological

473
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:56,799
term as well. Do you know what it means? Ready?

474
00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:57,039
For this?

475
00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,279
Speaker 3: Multiple personalities?

476
00:23:58,319 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: It is a psychological in which a body can feature

477
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:08,319
multiple distinct or overlapping consciousnesses, each with their own degree

478
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:13,160
of individuality. So, okay, then he takes this nineteen ninety

479
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,799
three story, and it just so happens, just knowing that

480
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,279
when filming had to take place, and how long editing

481
00:24:19,599 --> 00:24:23,519
takes place. They've got this plan to release this movie

482
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,960
in nineteen ninety six. Well, do you know what else

483
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,319
happened in nineteen ninety six? The Summer Olympics, not where

484
00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:32,519
I was going. Do you know what else happened in

485
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:33,519
nineteen ninety six?

486
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:33,799
Speaker 3: No?

487
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:39,319
Speaker 1: What they cloned Dolly the Sheep? Oh yeah, okay, so yeah,

488
00:24:39,319 --> 00:24:42,480
everybody remember, I mean, the cloning science has been around

489
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:45,920
for over one hundred years, but nineteen ninety six was

490
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,160
a pivotal moment when Dolly the Sheep was cloned and

491
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,960
everybody started asking questions.

492
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 3: Dolly the Sheep? Yeah, okay.

493
00:24:53,839 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: So you've got Michael Douglas, a list incredible actor, right,

494
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,759
Michael Douglas. Okay, that's his real name. I always do that.

495
00:25:01,839 --> 00:25:04,079
So you've got Michael Keaton.

496
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: We're talking about ram Matcy in the Stone era.

497
00:25:07,759 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 1: You've got Michael Keaton. You've got Annie McDowell, who had

498
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
you know she'd come off of Groundhog Day, which is

499
00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:18,240
a huge success. You've got strong investment behind it, You've

500
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:22,519
got the cinematographer from Ghostbusters and some of the other

501
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,240
great movies. Right, You've got the special effects guys from

502
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:28,119
Ghostbusters and Star Wars working on these, you know, green

503
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,680
screen where we're getting different versions of Doug Kenny and

504
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,680
all the shots. It looks like a movie that has

505
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,359
to be a success, like Great Surefire, I mean, and

506
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,160
it comes out the same time as the cloning news

507
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,440
blows up.

508
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense. I did you see this

509
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:47,039
in theaters?

510
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: No, I saw this. This is interesting. I did not

511
00:25:50,319 --> 00:25:53,000
see this movie until two days ago. I have never

512
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:55,240
had never seen this movie until two days Oh my.

513
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 3: Gosh, I saw this in the theaters. Okay, yeah, so

514
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,839
ninety six wasn't even a strong movie year, right, No,

515
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,920
not a lot of competition. Okay, here are the movies

516
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,920
of ninety six, I mean, and I'm scraping the bottom

517
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,519
of a barrel for these. Okay, so we're talking about Twister, Yeah,

518
00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:17,160
and Mission Impossible, The Rock, The Cable Guy, The Nutty Professor,

519
00:26:17,559 --> 00:26:18,240
Strip Teas.

520
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:21,799
Speaker 1: These are the best movies of nineteen ninety six Independence Day.

521
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,400
I mean, these are not bad movies, but they're the best. Yes,

522
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,640
like this is these are second best movies to any

523
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:29,400
good year. Right.

524
00:26:29,759 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean the Rock is great. You know,

525
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:34,359
an Independence Day is kind of fun, But yeah, these

526
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,160
are not It's not like dressed like ninety four or

527
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,880
something like that.

528
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: Right, But Multiplicity, with a budget of forty five million dollars,

529
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,359
grossed twenty one million.

530
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,079
Speaker 3: Dollars, slarising. I don't get it.

531
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: I don't either.

532
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 3: They talked about how they blamed it on the Summer Olympics. Yeah,

533
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:52,680
the Summer Olympics.

534
00:26:53,319 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 1: All of the other movies had the Summer Olympics to

535
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,200
compete with against as well. That's not a reason.

536
00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 3: No, it seems like Ghostbusters did alright in eighty four, right.

537
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,079
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes it did. That's hilarious. The question is

538
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:08,039
if you saw the movie back then, do you still

539
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:10,519
love it? Like, did you enjoy it back when you

540
00:27:10,519 --> 00:27:12,599
saw it? And have you seen it multiple times?

541
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,839
Speaker 3: Since I saw this movie in the theater and I

542
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:19,200
laughed my rear off. Okay, there are definitely funny parts. Yeah,

543
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,720
of course, I was in my twenties and now as

544
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:25,119
a mid forties guy, I identify a little bit more

545
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,920
with Doug Kenney about his everything in life being in

546
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,039
an emergency and he's got to be here, here, here,

547
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:33,680
and here, and I certainly identify with that, but this

548
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,400
time around, I felt like he's just a little bit

549
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,720
more of a jerk, you know. He just didn't appreciate

550
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,880
his family and was angry all the time. And I

551
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,920
don't know, Michael Keaton is a fantastic actor. I can't

552
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,559
figure out what it is about this movie. I know

553
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,839
that people who saw it back in the nineties still

554
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,279
like I talked to Arlen and he's like, oh, yeah,

555
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:52,839
that's just one of those movies that we just go

556
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,519
to in my family and we just watch it and

557
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:55,160
it's just fun.

558
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: Right. It's a Christmas vacation type of thing for a

559
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,000
whole lot of people. But for me, having never seen it.

560
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,039
I was watching it and there was a lot of

561
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:05,000
it was a lot of Okay, let's let's get this going,

562
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,599
let's have something happen here. And I had some laugh

563
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:10,319
out loud moments, But I was at the beginning, I

564
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,920
was like you, I was completely identifying it. I was

565
00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:15,640
I was like, yeah, I hear you. I gotta do

566
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:17,640
I gotta take care of this. Dad's got to take

567
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,079
care of this. Dad's got to take care of this.

568
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,920
Dad's got to take care of this Who's going to

569
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,200
take care of dad? Right? Like, there's my job first,

570
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,599
then my family, and I'm like a distant third.

571
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,839
Speaker 3: Right bringing up the rear.

572
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: Right, So with me, it's probably family first, job second,

573
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:36,440
and I'm still a distant third. So I identify with it, right,

574
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:40,039
I'm like strongly identifying. But it's not like making me

575
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:40,880
warm and fuzzy.

576
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,079
Speaker 3: It's just Okay, I've got a simple solution to making

577
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,240
Multiplicity a better movie. Okay, you ready for this? Okay,

578
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,640
So here's the kind of a list of sins that

579
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,720
Doug Kenney Michael Keaton's character makes in this movie. Okay, Yeah,

580
00:28:56,759 --> 00:29:00,880
So he clones himself obviously without his wife's permission or

581
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,839
even knowledge. Whatever that amounts to that dollar amount. He

582
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,799
changes that three or four times, right. He also, you know,

583
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,519
when number two comes along, he gives up his family

584
00:29:12,559 --> 00:29:15,680
and they have the same consciousness, the same everything, the

585
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,200
same experiences, and number two is like, yeah, fine, you

586
00:29:18,279 --> 00:29:20,160
keep the family and you keep the wife, and.

587
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,359
Speaker 1: He's taking care of number one, and he's taking care

588
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,279
of number two so that he can get after taking

589
00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:25,519
care of number three himself.

590
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then they all, of course they all sleep

591
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,480
with his wife without her knowledge. This is terribly wrong.

592
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,640
Yeah right.

593
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: That was one of the funnier parts.

594
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,759
Speaker 3: Of it was it was funny. It was funny. Funnier

595
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:41,960
part of the thing is is that she doesn't know

596
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:46,079
what's going on, and that's the problem, right, That is

597
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,599
what's different. In Groundhog Day, Bill Murray is trying to

598
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,039
bring her along and say, listen, I've got this problem

599
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:56,519
and can you help me with it? And in multiplicity

600
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,599
he just lies to her the entire time. Yeah, so

601
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,559
here's thing. Okay, they needed to have some moment in

602
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:06,960
the movie where they enlighten her. Yeah, okay, so here's

603
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,039
what I've been dealing with. Hey, here's number two, here's

604
00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:11,759
number three, here's number four, and the oh my gosh,

605
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,440
freak out scene. And then here's how you fix it.

606
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,480
All you have this great dramatic moment where she's brought

607
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,759
into the problem and they solve the problem by get

608
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:26,640
this cloning her and then you got pairs and then

609
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,759
they go happily ever after. With their cloned pair.

610
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: They go to start their own commune, and all eight

611
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:34,039
of them.

612
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: If they I mean they didn't have any scruples about

613
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,279
these four guys, they clone her. They all get married

614
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:43,440
and they start a pizza place in Florida, and that's

615
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,200
how you wrap it all up. And everybody feels good

616
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,559
because she's in on it. They didn't light her the

617
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,240
entire time. They just treat her like crap the entire movie.

618
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, okay, let's jump back to that because

619
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,119
that makes me think of something else. Let's jump back

620
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880
to Groundhog Day. Okay, And well I'll share this story

621
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,000
with you and then we can jump in a cap.

622
00:31:00,319 --> 00:31:04,799
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, then put your little hand in mine.

623
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: There no mountains, we can't fine. Okay, Shirley fans, rise

624
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,119
and shine and don't forget your booties because it's cool.

625
00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: It's cold out there every day. What is It's Miami Beach?

626
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,559
Speaker 1: Jason, do you have daja vo?

627
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:26,519
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I can check in the kitchen.

628
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:31,039
Speaker 1: Do you think Phil is gonna come out and see

629
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:31,839
his shadow today?

630
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 3: Took Satani Phil.

631
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,559
Speaker 1: That's right, Woodchuck chuckers.

632
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:42,759
Speaker 3: It's ground a day.

633
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,759
Speaker 1: All right. So in Groundhog Day, as we mentioned before,

634
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:49,240
Danny Ruben's original script had it starting in the middle, right, yes,

635
00:31:49,599 --> 00:31:52,440
and it ends the same like it ends the same,

636
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,279
and he wakes up and it's a new day. It's

637
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,839
February third, right, but you know, keep in mind this

638
00:31:58,039 --> 00:31:59,759
was the night that she spent the night with him.

639
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,519
And in Danny Rubin's script, the way that it played

640
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:07,079
out was he wakes up, he realizes it's a new day.

641
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,119
He's ecstatic, he's so excited, and he's talking to her

642
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,480
and she just kind of seems lukewarm and just kind

643
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:20,200
of right, and it turns out she's stuck in the

644
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,000
time loop on February third.

645
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:23,279
Speaker 3: I think that's genius.

646
00:32:23,319 --> 00:32:24,799
Speaker 1: All right, it's absolutely great.

647
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: Now.

648
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,279
Speaker 1: I understand why you want the Hollywood ending, right, you

649
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,960
want him to walk off into the snow set happily

650
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,640
ever after. But that is a brilliant end. I guess

651
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,559
I just got to say that is freaking brilliant.

652
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,839
Speaker 3: Just on a side note, I care less about Rita's

653
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,599
time loop. Yeah, I would have loved to have seen

654
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,440
ned Ryerson get caught in a time loop, right, Yeah, yes,

655
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,200
that would have been hilarious. So okay, So casting on

656
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,759
Groundhog Day, So the main character Phil Phil connors Buck's

657
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,440
Tonny Phil. They gave the part, of course to Bill Murray. Yes,

658
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,519
but they considered a group of Hollywood actors, all of

659
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,599
which I think would have been great. Yeah right, yeah,

660
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,079
we're talking Steve Martin, We're talking Chevy Chase, Kevin Klein.

661
00:33:08,359 --> 00:33:09,839
And then Tom Hanks.

662
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: Tom Hanks was their first offer. He turned it down.

663
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,359
Speaker 3: Tom Hanks turned it down. Yeah, you know what else.

664
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,000
They offered it to Michael Keat Michael Keaton, and he

665
00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,839
also turned it down. He turned it down because he

666
00:33:19,839 --> 00:33:22,319
didn't understand the story, right, and here's.

667
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: This is this, this is how you can't you know,

668
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,720
the one of those you can't win for losing things.

669
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,680
He turns down this script. And then when he sees

670
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,279
how well Groundhog Day goes, he's like, oh, here's another opportunity.

671
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:38,200
Multiplicity got the same leading lady, I got the same director,

672
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,720
I've got several cast.

673
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,839
Speaker 3: Kind of thing.

674
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:41,759
Speaker 1: Perfect.

675
00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:48,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, horse, oh that stinks. That stinks. So okay. So

676
00:33:48,319 --> 00:33:50,880
Bill Murray gets offered the part or you know, Bill

677
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,240
Murray takes a part Harold Ramos Bill Murray. It's a

678
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,119
perfect marriage. Sure, And he's great in this right Oh yeah,

679
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,319
he's you know, the angry phil is spot on, the goofy, feel,

680
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,960
the confused, all that stuff works perfectly.

681
00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:07,079
Speaker 1: Okay, this is this is the Bill Murray of the

682
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,639
Bill murray'st right. This is if I had to pick

683
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,079
the Bill Murray trilogy, where he is most Bill Murray,

684
00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:19,199
it is the consecutive Scrooged, what about Bob and groundhog Day.

685
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,840
That is a good right there, because he's basically the

686
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,159
same guy and Scrooged and groundhog Day, but he's still

687
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,039
himself and goofy and obnoxious in a different way. And

688
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,840
what about Bob? We got to do what about Bob?

689
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 3: So absolutely we didn't even really talk about the fact

690
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,320
that the last episode from season three that we just finished, yeah,

691
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,960
was Scrooge Versus Christmas Vacation. So the part of Rita

692
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,119
goes to Andy McDowell. Yes, did you hear who they

693
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,400
wanted for this part.

694
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,079
Speaker 1: This is why I depend upon you. I do not

695
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,400
look at casting because I know that you are going

696
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,159
to tell me these things.

697
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: I thought this was fascinating. Okay, So they hired Andy mcdell,

698
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:02,119
who is sweet and genuine and cute.

699
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: Great little southern South Carolina.

700
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: She's got that Southern accent and she just is so

701
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:09,760
sweet and nice that we all love her. And at

702
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,800
times in the movie we don't know really whether Phil

703
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,639
deserves her or not, and we certainly don't want him

704
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,199
just to love her and leave her.

705
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,119
Speaker 1: Right as far as save the cat moments go, you

706
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,400
don't have one for Bill Murray's. You don't have one

707
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,199
for Phil in this one, right, he is not lovable

708
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:28,719
at the beginning. Bill Murray is almost unavoidably likable. But

709
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,440
it's Rita who has the kind of save the cat

710
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,400
moment because when you get introduced to her, she's playing

711
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,280
with the green screen and like looking at her hone

712
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,280
floating head and floating hands because she's got the blue

713
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,320
top on. In that moment, her just being kind of

714
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,079
innocent and silly, you fall in love with her right then,

715
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,400
which is exactly what you need. So here's who they

716
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:51,000
wanted for that.

717
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tory Amos, I heard that. How about that?

718
00:35:55,679 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 1: I mean they've got a similar look. But I mean,

719
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,239
I has Tory Amos been in anything.

720
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:01,079
Speaker 3: That I know of?

721
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,559
Speaker 1: I don't know. She's cute, but yeah.

722
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: This girl has to be love a ball.

723
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 1: There's something about Anny McDowell's face that is I mean

724
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,360
it's not it's not the kind of classic Hollywood leading

725
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,519
lady beautiful, but it's her face is amazing. It glows. Yeah,

726
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,719
it's just she's a very, very attractive lady.

727
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 3: It's I can't really put my finger on it. Yeah,

728
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,639
because she's not Hollywood gorgeous, but she.

729
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: Just something about her makes my teethirt.

730
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:36,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, sugary sweet, Okay. And then you also have Chris

731
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,639
Elliott as the cameraman's Larry.

732
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:40,519
Speaker 1: Tell me what you think about Chris Elliott.

733
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:43,519
Speaker 3: I think he's perfect as the goofball. Can't get a

734
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,280
lady at the Bachelor's auction two minutes.

735
00:36:46,519 --> 00:36:49,199
Speaker 1: You know, he is the most Like I just can't

736
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,480
understand his success at all. I couldn't understand it back then,

737
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,960
Like I have never really am in anything that I

738
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,639
thought he was believable or funny or anyone, I mean

739
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,840
the top. The best performance that he has is in

740
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,880
There's Something about Mary and even that, Yeah, even then,

741
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:10,599
he's just it's not good. It's just I just can't

742
00:37:10,599 --> 00:37:14,440
figure out his fame at all. Their interesting connection there is.

743
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:18,119
Chris Elliott made his fame on The David Letterman Show.

744
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:20,559
It's kind of one of those side bit guys, right

745
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,119
and Letterman, very first guest, very first show Bill Murray.

746
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,519
Speaker 3: Oh, that's good, good call. There By the way, Chris

747
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,480
Elliott in the ABYSS. You know, I'm a James Cameron guy.

748
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,159
He's in the Abyss and he is a semi serious

749
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,800
character and he's fantastic. Okay, he nails it all right, Okay.

750
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,280
You also have Brian Doyle Murray as Buster Green. He's

751
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,159
like the guy who handles the you know, the the

752
00:37:46,199 --> 00:37:47,400
groundhog on the day.

753
00:37:47,519 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the guy in the knots on the and

754
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:52,639
we are pretty confident he's also the guy on the radio.

755
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 3: We Yeah, I definitely agree with you. I think he's

756
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,400
one of the guys on the radio.

757
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: And this one, I mean that one I kind of got.

758
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,960
But this one you said just before we started recording,

759
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,360
and I think you're right. I haven't checked it out

760
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,400
or anything, and I don't even know if it's available

761
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:07,559
out there. But tell me who you think the second guy.

762
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: I think the other guy is Steven Tobolaski Ned Ned

763
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:16,840
Ned the Head Needa knows Ned nang Ryerson.

764
00:38:18,519 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: Phil Hey, Phil, Phil, Bill Connors, Phil Connorson. I thought

765
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,320
that was you.

766
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:26,119
Speaker 3: How you doing?

767
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching?

768
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,199
Speaker 2: Hey?

769
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: Hey?

770
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 2: Now don't you tell me you don't remember me because

771
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,320
I share his heck fire? Remember you not a chance,

772
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:42,679
ned Ryerson needle knows ned ned the head, Come up, buddy,

773
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,679
case Western High. Mad Ryerson, I did the whistling belly

774
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:49,760
button trick at the high school talent show. Bing mad

775
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,840
Ryerson got the shingles real bad senior year, almost didn't graduate.

776
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,199
Bing a again.

777
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,599
Speaker 3: Mad Ryerson.

778
00:38:56,639 --> 00:38:58,679
Speaker 2: I dated your sister Mary Patt a couple of times

779
00:38:58,679 --> 00:38:59,960
till you told me not to anymore.

780
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:05,079
Speaker 1: Well, ned Ryerson, Bang bang.

781
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: Stephen Tobolaski steals the show with Bill Murray in the

782
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:11,159
same scene.

783
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,159
Speaker 1: I mean, this movie would not be the same movie

784
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,079
without ned Ryerson's part, right, Steven Toblaski. He gets this part,

785
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,679
and you told me tell me the story about how

786
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,079
he gets how he gets hired.

787
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,079
Speaker 3: Okay, so he's in this movie. He's shooting this movie

788
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:32,159
in Paris, California. Okay, Paris, California, Right, Yeah, and he

789
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,239
it's one of those weird deals. He said. This never happens,

790
00:39:35,679 --> 00:39:39,159
but he is put like in the quality in with

791
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,519
another actor, and it's like they're bunk mates, like summer camp.

792
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,960
Like they're sleeping in the same room. You know, there's

793
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,360
your bed, here's my bed, he said. At night, they

794
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,159
would just kind of lay there with the lights out

795
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,119
and just kind of talk, just like you do in

796
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:52,760
summer camp.

797
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:53,079
Speaker 1: Right.

798
00:39:53,559 --> 00:39:56,119
Speaker 3: So he became friends with this guy named Kurt Fuller

799
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:59,000
who's in this movie called Calendar Girl, and it's kind

800
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,400
of the movie he shot before Groundhog Day. Okay, so

801
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:03,800
one day he had a day off and he went down.

802
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,039
He had been contacted by Harold Ramis to audition for

803
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:10,599
the part of Ned Ryerson. Right, So he goes down

804
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:15,079
to the audition and he tells him, Hey, okay, brace yourself.

805
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:16,440
I'm gonna go all in on this, right.

806
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:19,119
Speaker 1: Yeah. His quote, his quote was you may have to

807
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:22,599
scrape me off the walls with a spatula.

808
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: He said. He even like examined Harold Ramis's zipper.

809
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's what you told me, you Like, he

810
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,599
adjusted his zippers during the.

811
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 3: Bit, right, got to zipper all the way up there. Hey,

812
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,480
you know what you need more live insurance? Right. So

813
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:41,000
he did this fantastic audition, right yeah, And so he

814
00:40:41,159 --> 00:40:43,519
goes back the next night. Of course, he goes back

815
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:46,480
to the Quality Inn and he's with his buddy Kurt Fuller,

816
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:49,440
and they're sitting there and this is after the audition,

817
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:52,639
and Kurt Fuller says, so, do you have anything coming up?

818
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:58,039
Stephen Toblaski's like every actor hates to hear, yes, I do, right,

819
00:40:58,159 --> 00:41:00,599
like I got stuff coming because it's always hard to

820
00:41:00,599 --> 00:41:04,800
get stuff. And so he's just laying there. He's like, no, no,

821
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:08,480
nothing coming, right, and so he says, what about you,

822
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,360
and so Kurt Fuller says, yeah, I've got this part

823
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:13,559
that was written just for me. It's in the Harold

824
00:41:13,639 --> 00:41:17,000
Raimis movie called groundhog Day, and I'm playing Ned Ryerson.

825
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:18,639
Speaker 1: Yeah.

826
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 3: So he's sitting there and he's like, oh my gosh,

827
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,039
he's like dying. He's like, because why did they call

828
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,800
me if you've already been hired? And he's like, so

829
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,840
I didn't say anything. I couldn't tell him the truth, right,

830
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,159
And besides he didn't know if he got the part.

831
00:41:34,199 --> 00:41:37,400
So like a couple days later, he realizes, I got

832
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,760
this part. I got the part of Ned Ryerson. I

833
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,400
stole it from this guy from his bunkmate, from his

834
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,440
bunk mate. And of course they call Kurt Fuller and

835
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,480
say you're out, and he said, well, who got it?

836
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:53,320
And he says Stephen Doblawski and he's furious with him.

837
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,199
His bunk mate. What are the odds?

838
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: Right?

839
00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: So here's the deal. At the premiere, Steven Tobolowski goes

840
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,159
in the movie Andy mcdowas his date because she doesn't

841
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,280
want a million guys to hit on her, so she

842
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,639
hangs out with him. Okay, and he protects her or whatever. Yeah,

843
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,840
Kurt Fuller comes down right to him, like directly walks

844
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,679
up to him. He's like, I'm sitting next to you

845
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,360
and we're gonna watch this together. Stephen told lusk Is like, crap,

846
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,639
I hope I'm good, you know, like, I hope this

847
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,840
is really good. And so they watch it. He doesn't

848
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,760
say anything. When they walk out, the guy says, I'm

849
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,639
still mad and you stole that. He goes, but at

850
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:28,679
least she did a good job.

851
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 1: That is great, And he's Steve Toblawski has probably played

852
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,800
that same type of guy as just that you know,

853
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,159
that side character in so many different things. If we

854
00:42:38,199 --> 00:42:42,039
have any Glee fans out there, there's an episode that

855
00:42:42,199 --> 00:42:45,880
has Josh Grobin in it. Okay, and Stephen Toblawski plays

856
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,280
this like he's a member of a barbershop quartet kind

857
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,159
of deal. And he is also like an obsessive fan

858
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,079
of Josh Grobin. And so my kids routinely when they

859
00:42:57,119 --> 00:43:00,440
don't like something that is being said, they'll say this,

860
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,840
And this is a quote from Stephen Tobolasky's Glee episode.

861
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,559
He's talking about Josh Grobin is going to be there,

862
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,920
and one of the other Barbershop Quartet guys is like,

863
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,679
who's Josh Grob? And he's like, who's Josh Grob? And

864
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:21,719
kill yourself? Oh yes, great, Yeah, So that's that's a

865
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,079
routine line from here. And and Arlen Bullard are my

866
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:29,519
dear friend and one of our listeners. Every time that

867
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,280
this movie comes up, well, we we're like, all right,

868
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:33,639
all right, all right, right, right right.

869
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: I enjoy him in the movie Sneakers. Have you ever

870
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:39,559
seen Sneakers.

871
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: In the theater back in the nineties.

872
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. So it's a great movie. Robert Redford,

873
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,039
Dan Akroyd River, Phoenix, Sidney Potier. It's a lot of fun.

874
00:43:47,079 --> 00:43:49,880
It's kind of the early computer hacker movie.

875
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: Right. Well.

876
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,599
Speaker 3: Stephen Tobolaski's character is the guy they're trying to steal

877
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,920
the password for to get in. He uses his voice

878
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,480
as a passport, and they're trying to get him to

879
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,079
say the word passport. Anyway, he's really good in Sneakers

880
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:02,480
as well.

881
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:05,199
Speaker 1: Now, obviously, like you said, you got Brian Dolmurray in there. Yes,

882
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,079
there are some parts that you may not recognize the

883
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:11,719
actor or you didn't recognize him back then, but now

884
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,119
on the rewatch you'll go, oh my gosh. And one

885
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:19,960
of those is mister Michael Shannon as young high school Fred.

886
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: That's so that blew my mind.

887
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 1: Right, And if and if you don't remember the scene,

888
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:31,800
I'll give you the line, which I'm pretty sure he

889
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,000
tapped into that same acting vibe when he said.

890
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 3: I will find him, I will find him. The guy

891
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,119
who plays General Zod and Man of Steel is a

892
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:44,760
team goober in this.

893
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 1: Movie, absolutely goober over acting over the top. But mister

894
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,519
Michael Shannon, yeah, you've got You've got several guys who

895
00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:59,000
you know from movies, like the guy from the Burbs

896
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:01,559
is one of the drum guys that he hangs out with.

897
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,119
Speaker 3: That's true. He's also in die Hard. This guy shuts

898
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,199
down the power grid and die Hard Yeah Central, Yeah, Yeah,

899
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:09,159
this is Wald down at Knakotomy.

900
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,079
Speaker 1: Say listen, would it be possible for you to turn

901
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:18,000
off Grid two twelve. Are you maybe I should call it? Yeah? Yeah,

902
00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:20,480
but they a lot of these guys go on and

903
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:23,440
we'll jump into casting now for multiplicity. Yeah, they're in

904
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:26,960
multiplicity as well. Right, for multiplicity, you've got Brian Doyle

905
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:31,559
Murray again. Yeah, he's the boat captain, right is and

906
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:35,639
his is it girlfriend or daughter? I can't even tell

907
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,000
what she's supposed to be, but that's a young Julie Bowen.

908
00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:41,519
She was a girlfriend, happy to get more free, modern family,

909
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:46,159
all of that stuff. Yes, beautiful lady, and so she

910
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,039
just so cute back then. But then you've also got

911
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:53,840
the lady who's the waitress in Groundhog Day. Is the

912
00:45:54,119 --> 00:45:56,079
lady when he comes to take the pictures, comes to

913
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:59,159
take the ballerina pictures. She's the receptionist. She's like, yeah,

914
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:01,519
we did you not get the call? We rescheduled that

915
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:03,760
too next week and he's like, no, you're taking the

916
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,199
pictures today. She's like, no, we're taking him next week.

917
00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:09,800
He's like, no, you're taking them. Find a photographer, right, Yeah,

918
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,440
So same actors there, So you got a lot of crossover,

919
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,480
and then you have some crossover from Ghostbusters too.

920
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,599
Speaker 3: Yes, so you've got the actor Harris Eulen, and he

921
00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:21,639
plays doctor Leeds in Multiplicity.

922
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:22,039
Speaker 1: Right.

923
00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:25,039
Speaker 3: He plays the judge at the beginning Ghostbusters too, who's

924
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:28,000
like banging the galvel, gonna sentence the Ghostbusters to like

925
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:30,960
twenty years hard labor. Yeah, and then of course the

926
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:31,920
ghost pop out.

927
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 1: Right.

928
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: He also is on an episode of Fraser. I always

929
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,440
remember him from this. He was a mob boss on Fraser.

930
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,639
Oh okay, somebody should do a podcast on Fraser.

931
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea.

932
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:47,199
Speaker 3: Also, you've got Richard Masser. He's like Doug's boss in Multiplicity.

933
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,159
Speaker 1: Oh right, right, right, yes, the guy from the Thing.

934
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:52,679
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, the guy who handles the dogs and the Thing.

935
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 3: Of course he gets shot by Kurt Russell like twenty

937
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:56,800
minutes into the movie.

938
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,119
Speaker 1: But I guess he wasn't an alien. I guess that

939
00:46:59,119 --> 00:46:59,960
makes you guilty of Mark.

940
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:03,039
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, that's right. I mean he's totally wasted

941
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:04,079
in Multiplicity. Right.

942
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: And then of course you've still got Anny McDowell, same

943
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:11,199
female lead in this one. And you've got Glenn Shaddicks.

944
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:14,199
Oh yes, I know you're looking confused right now. You

945
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:20,239
remember Beetlejuice O fat sort of effeminatee guy who's like

946
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,239
the real estate guy or whatever, art dealer, whatever he is.

947
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,400
He's the building inspector in Multiplicity.

948
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,559
Speaker 3: That's right.

949
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,079
Speaker 1: Both, of course, with Michael Keaton and them, you also

950
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:35,400
have Eugene freaking Levy Vick Vick, the guy who is

951
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:38,920
habitually late and habitually like. His very first scene is

952
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,199
what you don't like the job? Oh, I think you're

953
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:44,360
doing a great job. It's the wrong driveway. Right. So

954
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:49,639
the name of his company is Dependable Concrete. He's not

955
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,400
dependable at all. And then dependable is spelled d E

956
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,719
p E N d I b l E. He spells

957
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,679
the word wrong in his company name on his truck. Gosh,

958
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,639
you gotta have you if you're if you're hurting for

959
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:04,880
comedy a little bit, you gotta throw Eugene Levy in there,

960
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,760
and you're gonna be in good ship.

961
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 3: They waste him as well.

962
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: Could have been could have been more useful, for.

963
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: Sure, by the way. You also kind of I don't

964
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,199
know the guy's name, Yeah, but he plays Q in

965
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,039
Star Trek Next Generation.

966
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: Oh right, right, as the kind of like his partner. Yeah,

967
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,119
and he puts him in the when he goes into

968
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:24,039
the porty potty. He has the forklift come and take

969
00:48:24,039 --> 00:48:24,400
it away.

970
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

971
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: I know somebody who actually did that to somebody, not

972
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:29,880
to use the forklift, but like locked a guy in

973
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,320
the porta potty and then turned it over.

974
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 3: Not cool.

975
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: No, he had it coming though, same as Q. Okay,

976
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:41,599
then funny And then if we can't forget and Cusack,

977
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:46,880
the lesser known Cusack symbol sibling, not Joan, not John. Yeah,

978
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,440
there is a There is a third Cusack sibling and

979
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:51,559
her name is Ann.

980
00:48:51,679 --> 00:48:52,599
Speaker 3: Who does she play?

981
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: She's like the love interest for number two, right, he's

982
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,480
he's in the the Girl the rest, Yes, yeah, who

983
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:03,920
catch with? Who he flirts with and all that other stuff.

984
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,559
Speaker 3: Yes, So I watched it behind the scenes making a

985
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:08,920
thing where she was narrating. Yeah, and I'm looking at

986
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:13,000
Arghana that looks like Joan Cusack, but that's not Joan Cusack.

987
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: That's exactly you were right on both counts.

988
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: Yes, who the heck is and Csack?

989
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

990
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,199
Speaker 3: By the way, the restaurant scene where number two and

991
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:26,400
number one see each other and with different girls hilarious. Yeah,

992
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,320
I left my butt off in the movie theater at

993
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:32,199
that scene, then they get switched. Great comedy, fun times.

994
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:36,599
Speaker 1: Good good. Okay, So that does it for casting. Guys.

995
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996
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,840
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