1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:23,879 Speaker 1: This is pet Life Radio. Let's talk pets. 2 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,559 Speaker 2: Hello, be lying friends, Welcome to Catitude. I'm your show host, 3 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:31,399 Michelle Byrne, and what a great show I have for 4 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,600 you today. We're going to talk about how to make 5 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,200 your home cat friendly and human friendly. You know, our 6 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,520 cats rule our home, but hey, we got to live 7 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,079 there too, And we have some great tips for adoption, 8 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:48,719 for pet advocacy and what you can do to maybe 9 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,159 get into TNR things like that. So stay tuned, we'll 10 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:52,880 be right back. 11 00:00:56,399 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 3: You know the expression cats have nine lives, Well, what 12 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,200 if you can give them one more? 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Welcome, Ashley, Hi, 23 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:55,599 thanks for having me, Michelle. 24 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,879 Speaker 5: Always excited to talk about cats. 25 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:01,159 Speaker 2: Excited to have you on. Tell us what is Fluff 26 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:01,640 and Boots. 27 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,319 Speaker 5: Fluff and Boots is a cat centric lifestyle brand and 28 00:02:05,359 --> 00:02:08,319 it's actually named after two of my cats, Fluff and 29 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,319 Boots respectively. And really the brand was born directly out 30 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,159 of my own personal need to find better products for 31 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,360 my cats. So I was looking for products that delivered 32 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:26,319 on things like quality, safety, positive impact, and esthetics, and 33 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,599 before I launched Fluff and Boots that was really hard 34 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,159 for me to find. So yeah, really proud to have 35 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,400 the first purpose driven cat centric lifestyle brand filling those 36 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,680 gaps in the marketplace. 37 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 2: Well, very glad to have you on. As were all 38 00:02:41,439 --> 00:02:45,319 about cats, So let's talk about a cat friendly home. 39 00:02:45,879 --> 00:02:48,840 What do you think most people get wrong? Yeah? 40 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 5: I would say most people think cat friendly means adding 41 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:58,199 more things, so adding more toys, more scratching posts, more gadgets. 42 00:02:58,879 --> 00:03:03,080 But in reality, cats don't need clutter. They need predictable, 43 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:09,919 consistent routines, time for calming, virtuals, cozy retreat spaces, as 44 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,439 well as those thoughtful, well made essentials that really last 45 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,719 and they aren't constantly replaced. So I think a great 46 00:03:17,759 --> 00:03:20,319 way to start with building a cat friendly home is 47 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:25,960 really focusing on fewer, better things and keeping in mind 48 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:30,680 that their space shouldn't be cluttered, but instead intentionally layered 49 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:33,719 for things like comfort, play and companionship. 50 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, When did you see this shift? Maybe for 51 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,719 you personally as well as in other people, as far 52 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:44,520 as seeing pet products as part of your home design, 53 00:03:44,919 --> 00:03:47,919 not just as you said earlier, adding extra things for 54 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:48,599 your cats. 55 00:03:48,719 --> 00:03:51,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, So for me, it was becoming more of a 56 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:56,759 conscious consumer across all aspects of my life. So that 57 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:00,800 really shifted how I think about home design in general, 58 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:05,199 choosing those fewer, better pieces that are ethically made and 59 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,439 built to last. And the turning point for pet products 60 00:04:09,479 --> 00:04:12,240 came when I was looking at what I was buying 61 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,000 for my own cats and realized they didn't meet the 62 00:04:15,159 --> 00:04:18,360 same standards as what I was buying for myself in 63 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,079 terms of anti fast fashion and better quality pieces for 64 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,439 my home, and most pet products in the marketplace, unfortunately, 65 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:33,120 are poor quality, they're disposable, they're usually made with toxic dyes, 66 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:37,279 and really disconnected from the home. So seeing these pieces 67 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:42,959 as part of my overall consumption habits completely reframed how 68 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,439 I approached buying pet products. I think they deserve, in 69 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:50,519 my opinion, the same attention to design, quality, and care 70 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,800 as much as anything else that we bring into our homes. 71 00:04:54,199 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: So historically cat products have been very functional, not as 72 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:03,839 design friendly. I've noticed, you know, in doing Cat Tute 73 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,920 and my other show Best Bets for Pets, which is 74 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,959 product focused, that there's been a focus maybe in the 75 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:13,600 last few years, especially after you know, COVID, when we 76 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,120 were all stuck at home, maybe people adopted more pets 77 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,720 and had ideas in mind, that there's been a shift 78 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,680 toward better design, not just functionality. So not just any 79 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,519 old cat tree or litter box, but a litter box 80 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,560 may be disguised as you know, a coffee table. So 81 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:34,560 why do you think we have that trend? And do 82 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:36,240 you see that trend going further? 83 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,879 Speaker 5: I do, yeah, and that's a great observation. I think 84 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,959 a lot of that comes down to how cats themselves 85 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:47,240 have been perceived historically. I think cats have been seen 86 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:52,680 as independent, low maintenance pets, and the assumption that their 87 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:56,240 needs could be met with purely functional or basic solutions 88 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:01,000 kind of took away from the focus of design or aesthetics. 89 00:06:01,519 --> 00:06:04,160 So I think, just as you mentioned, people are kind 90 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,360 of shifting more towards these more beautifully crafted pieces and 91 00:06:08,399 --> 00:06:12,920 getting away from mass market pet products that are focused 92 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:17,720 more on costs and convenience not so much longevity, sustainability, 93 00:06:17,879 --> 00:06:22,399 and that integration within our homes. So I definitely see 94 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:25,360 that as a trend, and I think that will continue 95 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:30,079 in the future, particularly with cat owners seeing their cats 96 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,399 as part of the family and wanting their pieces to 97 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:36,199 live beautifully within our own homes and spaces. 98 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: So what tips can you give our listeners on ways 99 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,519 that they can integrate the essentials, you know, like litter 100 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:50,240 boxes and scratching posts and feeding stations, possibly water bowls, 101 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:55,439 water fountains into their home without compromising their esthetic. 102 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,319 Speaker 5: I would say start with quality. If you can invest 103 00:06:59,439 --> 00:07:03,800 in high quality, long lasting essentials, I think something that's 104 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,319 well made and thoughtfully designed is automatically easier to integrate 105 00:07:08,519 --> 00:07:11,480 into your home. The materials are going to be better, 106 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,480 proportions are going to be cleaner, and then you're not 107 00:07:14,519 --> 00:07:16,600 going to try to disguise it or feel like you 108 00:07:16,639 --> 00:07:18,360 have to kind of hide it away when you have, 109 00:07:19,199 --> 00:07:22,600 you know, visitors over. They should be pieces that you're 110 00:07:22,759 --> 00:07:25,839 proud to have in your home and starting with quality 111 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:29,240 across anything you purchase for your cats is a great 112 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:33,079 place to start. And that quality over quantity reduces that 113 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:37,160 visual chaos and clutter and really helps to harmonize a home, 114 00:07:37,319 --> 00:07:40,480 making that integration more effortless and easier. 115 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,759 Speaker 2: You know, you hit on a great point. Quality is 116 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,600 important and quality is not always more expensive. But if 117 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:52,879 you think about it whether you should invest, you know, 118 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:56,959 maybe I don't know. Fancy letterbox can run what three 119 00:07:57,079 --> 00:08:00,399 four or five hundred dollars and you think, hmm, should 120 00:08:00,399 --> 00:08:02,399 I Well, what would you invest in a piece of 121 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:06,319 furniture and that litter box because basically it's just the 122 00:08:06,399 --> 00:08:09,079 tray that goes in and out. It's the actual say, 123 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,680 it's like a copy table litter box. Look, coffee table 124 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,319 litter box will last quite a while, so when you 125 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,279 think about how long you're going to have it, the 126 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,639 value of it, it just kind of makes sense. 127 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,199 Speaker 5: It does. Yeah, And I'm you know, we could get 128 00:08:21,199 --> 00:08:23,720 into like things like the Boots theory of economics in 129 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:27,120 terms of if you can invest well and something upfront, 130 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:32,159 it saves you time and cost having to repurchase something 131 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,159 over and over again in the long run. And I 132 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:38,960 think that applies to things anywhere from you know, a 133 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:43,799 pet bed to the litter box to anything you're purchasing 134 00:08:44,279 --> 00:08:47,360 for even yourself. If you can invest in that quality 135 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,720 up front, it will pay off in the long run. 136 00:08:50,159 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: Absolutely. And there's something that this is so my background's 137 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:00,480 in business but marketing and so not finance, but I 138 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,519 always remembered, and hopefully I'm remembering this correctly, something called 139 00:09:04,519 --> 00:09:07,279 the cost benefit analysis, and it's how many times you'll 140 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:11,159 use something. So even though I had a guest on 141 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,679 a show recently and they're making pet products now, but 142 00:09:14,759 --> 00:09:17,799 they make people products. Their people products are a little 143 00:09:17,799 --> 00:09:21,320 bit more expensive, so instead of maybe fifteen dollars, they're 144 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,639 twenty five. But you can send them back and they'll 145 00:09:23,799 --> 00:09:26,759 you know, resharpen and so forth. So if you think 146 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,919 about the cost of use of that that you know, product, 147 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,600 it comes down to like fractions of cents. And that's 148 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,840 what I think you were referring to. So if you 149 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:40,559 think about what it costs over time, and you could 150 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,919 apply it to anything clothing, you want to buy those 151 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:46,480 shoes that cost twelve hundred dollars, I mean not me, 152 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:48,320 but if you want to buy them, if you're going 153 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:51,960 to wear them for six years, and it makes sense. 154 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,080 It costs ends up costing you two dollars a pair. 155 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,639 That's a better value than say a pair of shoes 156 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,080 for eighty dollars that you'll wear one time. 157 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, not to mention just the benefit for the environment 158 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,759 as well. That's a massive problem right now with fast 159 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:10,840 fashion and fast fashion production principles translate over to pet 160 00:10:10,879 --> 00:10:14,240 goods as well, to where you're buying a blanket that 161 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,919 you know you might use for two or three months 162 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:19,240 and then you think, oh it's cheap, I'm just gonna 163 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,600 get rid of that and buy a new one, and 164 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:25,679 that cycle does long lasting harm to the environment. And 165 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:29,120 it's a great way if you can invest in those 166 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,320 quality pieces that are going to be durable and lasts 167 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:36,759 longer and not only eventually helps your wallet in consumer pockets, 168 00:10:36,799 --> 00:10:38,720 but it helps the environment as well. 169 00:10:39,039 --> 00:10:43,039 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, What do you think is one of the 170 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,240 main products that people should focus on that make a 171 00:10:46,279 --> 00:10:48,960 difference in their home? You know that it has to 172 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,159 be perfect and it fit into my home, and that's 173 00:10:51,159 --> 00:10:53,159 going to make all the difference. I'm going to give 174 00:10:53,159 --> 00:10:55,759 you my answer before you tell our audience what you 175 00:10:55,799 --> 00:10:58,240 think it is. I think it's your cat tree because 176 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,200 like mine right now looks like a Seuz cat treeks. 177 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,279 It has this fluffy thing at the top that none 178 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,960 of the cats go on top of. And I don't know. 179 00:11:06,039 --> 00:11:08,240 My significant other liked them, so we bought them. But 180 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,960 they're useless, you know. Not only do they look like 181 00:11:11,039 --> 00:11:13,639 Doctor Seuss things, which is cool, but I don't know 182 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,840 for a living room, but it's not usable. So I 183 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:19,519 think if you have a great cat trade, that makes 184 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,840 all the difference in you know, how it could fit 185 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:24,919 in your decor and your esthetic and not make it 186 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,399 look like this is a cat house, you know, especially 187 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,679 when you have at least three like I do. What 188 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:30,559 do you think? 189 00:11:30,759 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I actually think investing in multiple comfort zones 190 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,279 for your cats. That could be something like, you know, 191 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,879 a lounge mat that you can move from room to room, 192 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,759 a kneating pad that you can move and always be 193 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,879 able to accommodate your cat's needing, which is great for 194 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:54,720 their well being. So looking at like lifestyle essentials and 195 00:11:54,759 --> 00:11:58,480 how they can accommodate cat's instinctive behavior to kind of 196 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,759 rotate through different space throughout the home depending on things 197 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,039 like light, temperature, mood, activity. I think when we can 198 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,519 give them soft, intentional places throughout the home, not just 199 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:16,840 in one dedicated corner, we're supporting their natural territorial and 200 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:20,919 comfort seeking instincts. And that's something unique at least my 201 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,960 approach to my own cats. I have a multi cat household. 202 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,399 I have four right now. At one point I was 203 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,840 caring for seven, So I think having multiple places throughout 204 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,960 the house for them was really important, and not just 205 00:12:35,039 --> 00:12:38,600 having one designated cat bed or not having one just 206 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,039 designated cat tree area, because they instinctively like to roam, 207 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,159 and having those multiple comfort zones helps to reduce stress 208 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:50,679 because they feel like they have options in control and 209 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:54,840 for cats, that choice kind of equates with safety. When 210 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,000 they fill in control of their environment, their stress levels 211 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,879 drop and everything can really improve from there. So I 212 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:06,000 guess the answer is maybe not one particular item, or 213 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,440 just even if it is one item, something that you 214 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,679 can kind of move and accommodate those multiple comfort zones 215 00:13:12,799 --> 00:13:13,840 throughout the home. 216 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,759 Speaker 2: You know what, I absolutely agree with you, because as 217 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,840 I was listening to I thought, do I have that 218 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:20,960 for my cats? And I was thinking about where they 219 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,320 hang out, you know, the three of them, different places, 220 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,039 and I thought, yes, I do, but one one took 221 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,919 over a human chair like a big like for those 222 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,360 big chair and a halfs. I could see bad ears 223 00:13:32,399 --> 00:13:35,159 because Molly is a little blackie or she's a tuxedo, 224 00:13:35,279 --> 00:13:39,240 so we see it's hers. Then there's another spot that's 225 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:41,919 where Dennis likes to hang out. Charlotte's all over the 226 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,200 place and she's a little misunderstood. So but yeah, but 227 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,840 I think that's a great idea, and it's also very 228 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:50,720 doable for if you're in a small space or if 229 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,200 you rent because you're just you just have a little 230 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:54,279 cozy place for them. 231 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 232 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:55,679 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 233 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to be right back, and we're going 234 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,720 to talk in our second half about purposeful pet ownership 235 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:06,039 and advocacy beyond adoption. 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For more information on how you 245 00:14:42,159 --> 00:14:45,720 can advertise on the number one pet podcast and radio network, 246 00:14:45,879 --> 00:14:49,759 visit petlife Radio dot com slash advertise today. 247 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,279 Speaker 4: Let's talk past, Let's done petco at Life. 248 00:14:53,159 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 7: Radio, Petlife Radio, Petlfradio dot com. 249 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,159 Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. We're talking to Ashley O'Brien. She is 250 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,159 the founder and CEO of Fluff and Boots. We talked 251 00:15:14,279 --> 00:15:17,639 about how to make your home cat friendly, but also 252 00:15:18,039 --> 00:15:21,159 human friendly too, and in our second half we're going 253 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:27,480 to talk about purposeful pet ownership and advocacy beyond adoption. So, Ashley, 254 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:30,080 everybody thinks that what can I do for my part? 255 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,600 You know, unfortunately cats, we've come a long way, but 256 00:15:33,679 --> 00:15:37,879 there's so many cats are still unfortunately euthanized. And so 257 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,480 we'll adopt a cat, but you know most people maybe 258 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:44,480 adopt one two. What can we do after that? 259 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, So I would say adoption is just the beginning. 260 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,759 Advocacy can really start once your cat is home, and 261 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:56,600 that's about taking responsibility for their well being and thinking 262 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:00,639 intentionally about how your choices and even purchase as a 263 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:05,159 pet parent impact them, impacts your community and even the environment, 264 00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:10,039 so that responsibility can be practical everyday actions like making 265 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,440 sure your cat is of course spade or neutered. It 266 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,720 can be supporting local T and R programs, choosing more 267 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:21,919 high quality, non toxic, ethically made products for your pets, 268 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,879 and then modeling responsible care for friends and family. And 269 00:16:26,879 --> 00:16:30,320 I think it's important for listeners to know, or just 270 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,840 a good reminder for all of us that advocacy doesn't 271 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:38,440 have to be grand gestures. It's about small, consistent choices 272 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,759 that really add up over time. So I like to 273 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:46,240 think with every intentional decision, from what you buy to 274 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,320 the conversations you have with other pet parents, it really 275 00:16:50,399 --> 00:16:54,279 becomes a way to support the larger cat community. And 276 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,399 if you can share your experience with your cat, I mean, 277 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,799 I know, not declining is so important, and a lot 278 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:07,680 of people don't realize the extreme consequences and how invasive 279 00:17:07,759 --> 00:17:10,640 of a procedure decline is. So if you can just 280 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,240 share a little bit about that with another cat parent 281 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,079 or someone interested in adopting a cat who might not 282 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,079 know how awful of a procedure it is, then those 283 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,880 small things can really make a big difference. 284 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 2: By the way, did you watch hopefully. I'm saying this 285 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,640 remembering this quickly. American Cat, The Good, the Bad, the Cuddy. 286 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 5: I did it. No, No, I did not. I miss that. 287 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,240 But it's a documentary, right. 288 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,599 Speaker 2: Yes, it's so good. I actually had the director and 289 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,640 she was also in it. The protagonist was an english 290 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:47,319 woman who's like nine lines pregnant, and it was very 291 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,000 tongue in cheek and it's so good and it really 292 00:17:51,039 --> 00:17:55,279 goes to show how people are, you know, there's just 293 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,240 so many people that are unaware. There's Yeah, in one 294 00:17:59,279 --> 00:18:02,240 part and this is a spoiler alert. In one part 295 00:18:02,279 --> 00:18:05,039 of the show, she is calling a vet and she 296 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,119 said she's mocking this, right. She goes, oh, you know 297 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:10,599 have a cat and I just you know, I just 298 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:12,599 adopted a cat, but I have a brand new couch 299 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,599 and I don't want it to get clawed up, so 300 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:17,279 you know, can I just get the nails taken off, 301 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,680 you know claw? And they go, yeah, sure you can 302 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:22,720 do that. You guys, well, is there like a discount? 303 00:18:22,759 --> 00:18:26,079 Does it buy one pod, get one free? Oh we 304 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,920 could make something work. I'm not doing a verbatim, of course, 305 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,480 but you know, oh, we could make something work. She goes, yeah, 306 00:18:31,519 --> 00:18:33,400 because my couch is so nice. I don't want it 307 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,799 to get messed up. And their the vet office is 308 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,720 just going a lot. You know, yeah, we could do 309 00:18:38,759 --> 00:18:41,440 that one do you want to command? And it's just like, 310 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:42,240 you know. 311 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know. And one of my friends, her interior designer, 312 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:48,400 was like, oh, you should get your cat decloud before 313 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,759 it gets older, and you know, things like that. It 314 00:18:50,799 --> 00:18:53,039 doesn't make a difference if you de quad cat when 315 00:18:53,039 --> 00:18:57,400 it's a kitten or when it's an adult. It's long lasting, 316 00:18:57,759 --> 00:19:01,400 lifelong damage that you're doing. They can't properly need, they 317 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,920 can't stretch, and we actually include an info sheet with 318 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,720 every need at pad we sell that just highlights, you know, 319 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,240 some facts about decline, like the myths, but we also 320 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:16,519 include tips to care for an already declawed cat, because 321 00:19:16,519 --> 00:19:19,640 what happens is if a de cloud cat is adopted 322 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,119 out of a shelter. Unfortunately, the surrender rate is very 323 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,440 high for deep cloud cats because it causes behavioral issues 324 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,799 because they're in pain and they can't you know, engage 325 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:35,200 in those natural soothing behaviors. So we try to actually 326 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:40,000 integrate that type of awareness and advocacy even into our 327 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:44,160 customer experience and within the products we sell, because I 328 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:47,720 truly believe if people know, then they would make the 329 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:51,839 decision to not declaw their cat. And genuinely, people just 330 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:54,319 don't realize how bad it is. So that's something small 331 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,039 that we do to help educate, you know, maybe even 332 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,680 first time cat owners about be line well being. 333 00:20:01,359 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm so glad you do that. Just to talk briefly 334 00:20:04,079 --> 00:20:06,480 a little bit more. There was a point in an 335 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,680 interview and for folks that are interested, just look on 336 00:20:09,759 --> 00:20:13,200 Petlife radio, dot com, Catitude and just do research. It 337 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,039 was American Cat, The Good, Bad, the Cudley. I remember 338 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:19,039 one point during the interview when I said, well, if 339 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:22,480 you have cats, just get you know, furniture that's friendly. 340 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,519 And she said, I have you know, clients in because 341 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,519 she's a veterinarian that was one of the spokespeople for 342 00:20:29,599 --> 00:20:32,000 the movie that I had on the show, and she said, 343 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,559 I have clients in Beverly Hills with gorgeous, you know furniture. 344 00:20:35,599 --> 00:20:38,839 There's other alternatives if you can, you know. And there's 345 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,519 the fake nails for your cats. There's scratching posts, but 346 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,480 I have a scratching post right next to my couch. 347 00:20:44,519 --> 00:20:48,279 And Dennis prefers the couch couch. And also keep in 348 00:20:48,319 --> 00:20:52,079 mind a lot of people misunderstand that decline. It's cutting 349 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,400 a joint off. 350 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 5: Yep, it's more like amputation than Yes. 351 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely, all right, we went off on that, but you know, 352 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,000 well that's again educate people. And you know, my next 353 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:06,519 question to you is kind of what we talked about. 354 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,680 What does purposeful pet ownership mean to you? 355 00:21:10,039 --> 00:21:13,279 Speaker 5: Oh gosh, I would say, purposefu pet ownership means making 356 00:21:13,759 --> 00:21:18,119 everyday decisions that consider not only my cat's own well being, 357 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,880 but also the broader community and the environmental and societal 358 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,400 impact of my purchases as a pet parrot. So on 359 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:30,599 a daily level, that means creating an environment that supports 360 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:34,640 my cat's instincts and comfort, but it also extends well 361 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,799 beyond the home. So that means being mindful of where 362 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,880 I spend my money and the brands I support, choosing 363 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:45,920 products that are made responsibly. And I think as pet 364 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:51,480 owners we have tremendous collective influence. The brands we support, 365 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,759 the materials we bring into our homes, and the conversations 366 00:21:55,759 --> 00:21:59,960 we normalize. All of that has ripple effects. So purposeful 367 00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:04,839 ownership is really about recognizing that loving your own cat 368 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,519 and being able to contribute positively to the larger ecosystem. 369 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,640 Aren't separate things that they're really connected in terms of 370 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,319 showing love for your own cat and the larger feeline 371 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:17,759 well being community. 372 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:21,079 Speaker 2: How can our listeners find out more about these types 373 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,519 of businesses. 374 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 5: Well for fluff and boots like my business, what we 375 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,680 do is, you know, we try to really integrate that 376 00:22:29,079 --> 00:22:34,440 advocacy and awareness directly into our marketing. How we really 377 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,000 share our mission and not just from a PR or 378 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:42,720 marketing campaign perspective. But I think if people you know, 379 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:46,400 can kind of ask questions when they're evaluating which brands 380 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,400 to support and purchase, it's really if their mission is 381 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:55,839 visible past the marketing and PR copy. So asking themselves, 382 00:22:56,319 --> 00:22:59,119 is the mission backed into how they run their business? 383 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:03,359 Are their product sourced responsibly? Things like are they actually 384 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:08,880 tackling the root causes of issues like shelter overpopulation or 385 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,480 are they just writing occasional checks to kind of highlight 386 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:14,640 their give back efforts. So I think brands that integrate 387 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,359 giving into their operations rather than treating it as marketing 388 00:23:19,559 --> 00:23:24,960 or as a campaign, demonstrate that true commitment. And as consumers, 389 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,559 we have the power to kind of vote with our 390 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:33,279 wallets and support companies that approach pet welfare thoughtfully and consistently. 391 00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:37,319 And I always have to say support small businesses and 392 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:42,039 small independent brands when you can. There's research that shows 393 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,119 just how much more generous small businesses are compared to 394 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:51,000 the larger pet brands or larger corporations in terms of 395 00:23:51,079 --> 00:23:55,440 give back as a percentage, and small businesses tend to 396 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,880 be more engaged within their local communities on the ground, 397 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,920 supporting their local shelters and the T and R. It 398 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,640 kind of goes back to the importance of T and 399 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:08,680 R spay and neuter. If you can support brands that 400 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,640 recognize the importance of that, then that's a great place 401 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,039 to start in terms of making your purchase count towards 402 00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:19,599 helping not only your own cat, but that larger community 403 00:24:20,519 --> 00:24:21,720 for feline welfare. 404 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,319 Speaker 2: Thank you. Is there a place or something you can 405 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,039 suggest where our listeners can find more small businesses that 406 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,440 support animal welfare, especially cats. 407 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,279 Speaker 5: You know, that's a great question. I'm not aware of 408 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:40,039 a database or a website. I know sometimes there are 409 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,759 apps for things like you know, for healthy food for 410 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,119 us as right nance, but I'm not sure. Yeah, that 411 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,039 would be a great idea to create one if someone 412 00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:54,200 hasn't already curated a list of small brands that have, 413 00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:57,359 you know, very high quality, ethically made pet products. 414 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 2: You can generally find these kind of products in privately 415 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:05,079 owned small pet stores. Yeah, for sure, because a lot 416 00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:08,960 of the smaller pet stores will support smaller businesses because 417 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,440 they don't have to jump through a bunch of hoops 418 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,799 and spend a lot of money to get into you know, 419 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:18,400 mass or even specialized but chain pet stores. 420 00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true, and that definitely goes back to supporting 421 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:25,440 local businesses within your community. I found that a lot 422 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,119 of my local pet stores give back to local shelters 423 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:34,599 and rescue organizations, So it's a really nice circle. Everything 424 00:25:34,599 --> 00:25:37,240 comes three sixty when you can shop small and support 425 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,359 those local retailers that in turn are supporting small brands, 426 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:43,559 you know, like Fluff and Boots and the others out 427 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:46,599 there trying to make high quality, ethically made products. 428 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,759 Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's bring it in with cats, because we're almost done. 429 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:55,359 What is one misconception you think people have about cat 430 00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:59,160 lovers that you would like to change besides the crazy 431 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:03,440 cat lady business where that one's been done. 432 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think this extends to all cat owners, but 433 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,400 there is definitely a misconception that cat owners are kind 434 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,319 of introverted or even lazy. But as I'm sure we 435 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,920 and your listeners know, caring for a cat requires very 436 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:24,440 active presence, consistent and deeply intentional care. So I think 437 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,960 maybe for you know, people who've never owned a cat, 438 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:30,359 or people who know say that they're more dog person 439 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,039 risk cat person, it might look passive or lazy from 440 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:37,319 the outside, but actually, you know, being a cat owner 441 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,640 is incredibly engaging, and we are no less outgoing or 442 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,599 active or happy than dog owners. It's just a quieter 443 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:50,400 and perhaps more beautifully complex kind of love instead of 444 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:54,599 being a bit more loud in terms of being able 445 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,440 to go to dog parks, and I think cats are 446 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,559 left out of the conversation a lot in terms of 447 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,599 even seeing them in media and different nonprofit events. So 448 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,880 I think we have a more quieter kind of love. 449 00:27:07,039 --> 00:27:10,519 But the misconception that being a cat owner cat person 450 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,640 is the lazy or you know, easier option in terms 451 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,400 of pet ownership is definitely a misconception I would change 452 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,279 and challenge. 453 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 2: I agree with you. I think it's because it's rare 454 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:25,079 that you can see cats that walk although you can 455 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,480 train them to walk, but you always have to walk 456 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,000 your dogs. I think one misconception I would think, I 457 00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:34,519 think is that cats all have the same personality. And 458 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:36,920 I've had dogs. I started my you know, when I 459 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,440 was a child, we always had dogs, not cats, and 460 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,400 then got into cats when Dennis found me. And my 461 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:46,720 cats are so different they have very distinct personalities. I 462 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,079 think that's such a misconception when people say, well, dogs, 463 00:27:50,079 --> 00:27:52,559 you know they're did this, did this. But cats know 464 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,359 they're and they're bright. They're a lot smarter than people 465 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:56,480 give them credit work. 466 00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 5: That's so true. I love that because I all of 467 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,720 my cats have been so different and complex and their 468 00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,160 personalities and I feel like I'm living in a cartoon 469 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:05,839 show with. 470 00:28:06,599 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and they're just They do such funny things 471 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,440 like right before I don't know how they know when 472 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,240 the time changes, they still know the right time for dinner. 473 00:28:16,759 --> 00:28:20,680 And Dennis does this weird thing so right when I 474 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,960 go to bed, because I watch a TV in the 475 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,839 living room to chill and then you know TV's off, Okay, 476 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,839 time to go. He could be dozing. As soon as 477 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,480 that TV's off, he gets up because he knows I'm 478 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,079 gonna grab water. It's Dan and he gets his snack 479 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,799 every single time. And if I fake him out and 480 00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,240 go to bed a little earlier, a little later, he's 481 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:47,160 right there. Where's my treat? Yeah, it's hysterical. Okay, last question, 482 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,839 and thank you so much for all of your input 483 00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:53,279 and insight. It's been wonderful. If you could change one 484 00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,000 thing about the pet industry, what would it be. 485 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,599 Speaker 5: I would say more accountability for the bigger pet brands 486 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,640 and the big box pet retailers. You know, we kind 487 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,319 of touch briefly on adoption and T and R and 488 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:10,240 I think the give back of small businesses is so wonderful. 489 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,759 And if the larger players in the pet industry could 490 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:18,640 step up and use those billion dollar profits and resources 491 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,400 to collectively end or help phase out things like the 492 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,480 horrific cat and dog meat trade and countries where they're 493 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,680 making their products, you know, they could certainly help solve 494 00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:35,839 the overpopulation crisis that so many rescuers are struggling with 495 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,240 right now by redirecting funds into things like T and 496 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,039 R and spay and neuter programs versus simply writing checks 497 00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:46,200 to over crowded shelters, which actually, you know, we could 498 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,200 probably do a whole segment just on this. Yes, over 499 00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:54,759 crowded shelters actually serve as huge money makers for these 500 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,240 larger big pet and big vet industries, So you know, 501 00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:01,279 I think some that I want to do as a 502 00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:06,039 small business owner is to challenge that status quo and 503 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,200 you know, eventually have productive conversations with the larger pet 504 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:16,359 industry players to be able to actually help solve things 505 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,720 like shelter overcrowding and tackling problems from the start with 506 00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:23,160 T and R initiatives. I think T and R shouldn't 507 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,920 be grassroots right now. It's very much kind of like 508 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:31,319 grassroots effort, and if there's more resources to make that 509 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:35,559 you know, a bit more structured and organized and well funded. 510 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,519 The impact that organized, well funded T and R programs 511 00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:43,799 could have has in a tremendous ripple effect, and that 512 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,160 could do so much to help shelters and the rescuers 513 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,720 who are struggling and relying on donations every day. So 514 00:30:50,759 --> 00:30:53,960 I think just shifting the pet industry to have just 515 00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:57,599 a little bit more focus on purpose instead of just 516 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,599 profit profit profit could do so much. The feline welfare space. 517 00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, I want to thank you so much 518 00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:08,079 for coming on Catitude. Thank you Ashley. Where can people 519 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,200 find out more about Fluff and Boots. 520 00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 5: So we are on socials at Fluff and Boots on 521 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:18,480 Instagram and Facebook and then our website is Fluffanboots dot com. 522 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much and I'm so glad you 523 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,359 were able to come on the show. 524 00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:25,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, thank you, Michelle. I appreciate it. 525 00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 2: So I hope you enjoyed this episode. I want to 526 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,799 thank Ashley O'Brien, the CEO and founder of Fluff and 527 00:31:31,839 --> 00:31:35,440 Boots for coming on Cataitude. Thank you my cat listeners 528 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:40,359 for listening to Cataitude. We have over three hundred episodes 529 00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:43,119 of Catitude to you to listen to, so if you've 530 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,160 just become a fan, thank you so much and check 531 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,480 out the earlier episodes. Thanks to my cat crew Dennis, 532 00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,759 Charlotte and Mollie. Love you guys. Thanks of course to 533 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,160 my amazing producer Mark Winter for all you do. The 534 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,119 show would not be the same at all without the 535 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,119 magic of Mark Winter. And hey remember lose to Attitude, 536 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:06,319 have Catitude. 537 00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 4: Let's Talk Pets every week on demand only on Petlight 538 00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:29,240 Radio dot com.