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<v Speaker 1>Hello everyone, and welcome to Seafood Matters, and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for joining us again today. I'm delighted to welcome Linda Fitzpatrick,

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<v Speaker 1>curator of the Scottish Fisheries Museum in Anstruther. The Museum

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the great guardians of Scotland's fishing heritage,

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<v Speaker 1>preserving the boats, the gear, took, photographs, and above all

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<v Speaker 1>else the stories of the men and women who built

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<v Speaker 1>our coastal communities. Linda joins me to explore what that

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<v Speaker 1>heritage can teach us about the past, the present and

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<v Speaker 1>the future of Scottish fishing. Hello Linda, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Seafood Matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Jim, it's great to be here, Thank.

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<v Speaker 1>You, thank you. I've really looked forward to this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got huge it's beg for what you do down there,

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<v Speaker 1>and can you please explain to our listeners just pick

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<v Speaker 1>off the importance of the Scottish Fisheries Museum and what

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<v Speaker 1>makes it unique and such a special place.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's quite a big question to start off with,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's quite a big museum. If you've visited, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>know that it's grown from a very small start, founded

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<v Speaker 2>by members of the fishing community themselves back in nineteen sixties,

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<v Speaker 2>and it started off just as a wee museum and

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<v Speaker 2>it's grown and grown and grown because the story of

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<v Speaker 2>the fishing industry in Scotland is such a big and

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<v Speaker 2>complicated story. If you're talking about all the different roles

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<v Speaker 2>that the fishing members of the fishing community had catching

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<v Speaker 2>the fish obviously, and then all the work that was

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<v Speaker 2>done on shore to process the cat, to prepare the gear,

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<v Speaker 2>to sell it on to market it take it all

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<v Speaker 2>around the world, and then all the equipment and the

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<v Speaker 2>tools that people had, and the communities that grew up

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<v Speaker 2>around that and around the coasts. It's a really big

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<v Speaker 2>story to tell. And I think Scotland without I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's inconceivable to think of Scotland without a fishing industry.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a really important story that people needed to

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<v Speaker 2>capture when they captured it because it was changing really

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<v Speaker 2>fast in the nineteen sixties, and need to keep capturing

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<v Speaker 2>it and keep telling it because as we all know,

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<v Speaker 2>the numbers of people who are employed in the fishing

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<v Speaker 2>industry now has declined, but it's still an important industry

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<v Speaker 2>within Scotland and it's still we still got that really

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<v Speaker 2>long coastline and all of those communities that owe so

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<v Speaker 2>much of their heritage and their culture to fishing. We

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<v Speaker 2>need to keep telling that story. And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>museum is a unique place. It's in a unique set

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<v Speaker 2>of buildings, it's right by the harbor, it's grown, as

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<v Speaker 2>I say, over the years, so it's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>got that kind of hand made feel to it, which

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<v Speaker 2>obviously fishing was was hand crafted for so much of

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<v Speaker 2>its time, and that real community feel, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's really important to preserve.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely absolutely. If I could ask you, sitting in the

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<v Speaker 1>museum looking over the harbor, what like this the sunrise.

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<v Speaker 2>Sunrise or sunset sunset?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing, Yeah, I'm just picture that. Yeah, yes, Yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 2>right on the on the mouth of the first and fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>so the sunrises right over the over the mouth of

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<v Speaker 2>the firth, and then you know, obviously sets sets over

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<v Speaker 2>over Edinburgh Way. Yeah, it's a great a great view.

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<v Speaker 1>What attracted you to the world of fisheries, heritage and

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<v Speaker 1>museum work before? Before joining your museum, where did your

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<v Speaker 1>career did you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well? I have to confess at this point that I

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a background in fishing, myself at all. I

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<v Speaker 2>grew up near next to the sea in East Lothian,

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<v Speaker 2>but my family are not a fishing family, so I

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<v Speaker 2>am a total newcomer to this, or I was a

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<v Speaker 2>newcomer to this when I when I came to the museum,

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<v Speaker 2>my passion was always history, and mainly I would say

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<v Speaker 2>the history of people and how people lived their lives

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<v Speaker 2>and how how they in the past solved the same

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<v Speaker 2>problems that we're trying to solve in our own lives today.

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<v Speaker 2>And I find it fascinating to find out how people

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<v Speaker 2>lived in the past, how very different they were from us,

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<v Speaker 2>and how very much the same they were from us now.

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<v Speaker 2>So I studied history at university up in Aberdeen, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I took a couple of years out and I

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<v Speaker 2>went abroad and I did some teaching and discovered that

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<v Speaker 2>teaching was not for me, and then I did some

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<v Speaker 2>office work and bits and pieces and decided actually what

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do was share my passionate history with

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<v Speaker 2>people through working in a museum. And I think coming

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<v Speaker 2>to the Fisheries Museum, that's the museum that has given

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<v Speaker 2>me all of those aspects that I wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 2>into a working career of doing the research, telling the stories,

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<v Speaker 2>connecting with people, and yes, doing a bit of the

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<v Speaker 2>teaching element as well, but not in a classroom. That's

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<v Speaker 2>that's where I am. And I commend very much as

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<v Speaker 2>somebody who didn't have a clue about the industry. But

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rely very heavily on our volunteers and our community

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<v Speaker 2>here to keep me right on that side of things.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great story and really and that, Okay, everybody

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know, there's no well we maybe come across a

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<v Speaker 1>few people in our days who know everything. There are

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<v Speaker 1>just a chosen few, so you but but I redout

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<v Speaker 1>to that. Yeah, okay, there's parts that you were low on.

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<v Speaker 1>You've taken something to the Musicum, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's it's it's being interested. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>do find history and the past inherently fascinating and I

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<v Speaker 2>really would like to share that with people and people

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<v Speaker 2>who say that hits the history is not important or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, why do I need to know about the

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<v Speaker 2>history where we're living here and now? Well, how can

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<v Speaker 2>you understand the hero and now if you don't know

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<v Speaker 2>where it's come from? How do you how can you

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<v Speaker 2>solve the problems you're facing if you don't know how

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<v Speaker 2>people in the past have approached the same things, and

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<v Speaker 2>you might be missing a trick if you don't look

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<v Speaker 2>to the past just to see how things were done

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<v Speaker 2>back then.

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<v Speaker 1>And you're you're very fortunate to be in a position

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<v Speaker 1>or a situation I should say, where you're now doing

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<v Speaker 1>what you've wanted to do. That's lovely, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I do most days feel very lucky to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing the job that I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, excellent. Are there memorials or stories in the

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<v Speaker 1>museum that particularly affect you personally?

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<v Speaker 2>It's striking you use the word memorial because we do

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<v Speaker 2>have a memorial room within the museum, and that is

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<v Speaker 2>dedicated to fishermen and lifeboatmen who have lost their lives

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<v Speaker 2>at sea. And to me, one of the most poignant

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<v Speaker 2>things in the museum is where you get a brass

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<v Speaker 2>plaque up on the wall and you see the names

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<v Speaker 2>of every member of a crew who's gone down with

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<v Speaker 2>a vessel, and then you look a bit closer and

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<v Speaker 2>you realize that a lot of the surnames are the same,

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<v Speaker 2>and you realize that that's members of the one family,

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<v Speaker 2>and that, to me, is that shows the impact that

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<v Speaker 2>the fishing industry can have on families and communities because

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<v Speaker 2>the men went on the boats together with their family,

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<v Speaker 2>and they owned the boats together, and it was that

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<v Speaker 2>shared endeavor. And of course then you've got the families

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<v Speaker 2>waiting at home waiting for them to come back safe,

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<v Speaker 2>and that crew didn't come back safe. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that particularly when you've got people who actually come, which

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<v Speaker 2>they do fairly regularly, come to pay their respects to

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<v Speaker 2>their relatives. And we've got plaques from from all over,

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<v Speaker 2>so people do come from all over.

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<v Speaker 1>And.

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<v Speaker 2>Just being able to well be a being able to

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<v Speaker 2>provide that service of somewhere where they can come and

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<v Speaker 2>pay their respects, whether that's an individual visit or whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's we have an annual memorial service as well. But

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<v Speaker 2>then just seeing that, you know, even a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>generations on that tragedy is still having an impact on

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<v Speaker 2>that family. And I do find that very affecting.

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<v Speaker 1>But it must be for that families that have the

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<v Speaker 1>plaques there in that room, what a special place it

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<v Speaker 1>is for them.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope, so, I hope, so, I mean we will

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<v Speaker 2>we keep it, We keep it going, and we keep

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<v Speaker 2>the memorial service going every year because it is important

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<v Speaker 2>to honor that. Yeah, fishing is a very dangerous job.

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<v Speaker 1>Still, Yeah, I'm not wanting to take anything away from

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<v Speaker 1>the memorial room. But when you mentioned same names in it,

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<v Speaker 1>there's two it brings to mind two things. One, I

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<v Speaker 1>remember a woman from the Seafish organization. She went up

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<v Speaker 1>to Peterhead to do some she had some meetings and

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<v Speaker 1>things to do. I was speaking to her after that

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<v Speaker 1>and she says that the funny thing she says she

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<v Speaker 1>had a brilliant day she met over twenty people. But

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<v Speaker 1>the funny thing about it, they were all buck uns

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<v Speaker 1>and strakings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes here they're all Muars and Watson's.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, and my own situation a small fishing village

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<v Speaker 1>at Helmstell. I'm from Cowey's Jim Cowey's my name, James

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<v Speaker 1>is my as I call my son. The name, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Jim and Scotland is short for James. When

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<v Speaker 1>we were in school, there was only twenty two hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty pupils in the class in the school. My

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<v Speaker 1>older brother was David Kowe. Now I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same goes in it now, but the older

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<v Speaker 1>brother was called after the father's on the father's side,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the next was called on the mother's side.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm David's called after his father's father. I'm called

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<v Speaker 1>after my mother's father. So he's David koe I'm James Kowey.

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<v Speaker 1>When we were in school, there was nine David Kowie's

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<v Speaker 1>and seven James Kowey's.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's either very traditional or a severe lack of imagination.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say, have.

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<v Speaker 1>You any hidden games in the collection that it's overlooked?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the oldest or most unusual object in your museum?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know if it's the oldest object in

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<v Speaker 2>the museum. It's certainly the oldest piece of fish I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen. We have a piece of dried fish hanging

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<v Speaker 2>up in one of our galleries, just showing how fish

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<v Speaker 2>was dried. That has been there certainly as long as

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<v Speaker 2>I've been at the museum, which is over twenty years now,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was reputed to be about twenty years old

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<v Speaker 2>at that point. Wow, So I wouldn't like to sample

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<v Speaker 2>it now, but it's still it's still hanging on the wall. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's quite an unusual one. My favorite object in the

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<v Speaker 2>museum is actually slightly tangential to fishing. It's actually a harpoon.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the head of a cast iron or wrought iron

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<v Speaker 2>harpoon head from the nineteenth century and it was used

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<v Speaker 2>for whaling. And before you say, I know, a whale

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<v Speaker 2>is not a fish, but the Fishery Board for Scotland

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<v Speaker 2>actually that was set up in the nineteenth century to

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<v Speaker 2>superintend fisheries. They covered whaling as well, so I think

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<v Speaker 2>when the museum was set up, it was decided that

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<v Speaker 2>the museum would cover whaling as well. And one of

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<v Speaker 2>our buildings actually was owned by a whaling company, so

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<v Speaker 2>there's a connection there. But the object itself, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>shaft that the iron shaft of the harpoon with the

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<v Speaker 2>barb point and it's been twisted into our corkscrew shape

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<v Speaker 2>and that was done while it was stuck in the

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<v Speaker 2>side of a whale. And to me, it's a rather

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<v Speaker 2>gruesome object when you think about it, but it's just

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<v Speaker 2>to think of. On the one end of that was

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<v Speaker 2>a creature fighting for its life, twisting and turning in

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing, that's fantastic. The funny when you mentioned the

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<v Speaker 1>dried fish, Linda. Anytime bridefish is mentioned, it takes me

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<v Speaker 1>memory with me. I'm a skipper, an owner of a boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Go and see him, visit him. I'm sitting in the

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<v Speaker 1>a like you can imagine a coffee table with bites

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<v Speaker 1>for like biscuits or cake, and that with our coffee

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<v Speaker 1>and plates of suits. They were crazy for every time

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<v Speaker 1>they were fishing, one of their boats would come to scrabster.

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<v Speaker 1>We would be putting on board hundreds, literally hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>tens of Macintosh chocolates, Quality Street all that tins of

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of tons of them, and they were all spread

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<v Speaker 1>out on the coffee table, and there was dried fish

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<v Speaker 1>on plates as well. All this was a spread in

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<v Speaker 1>were taking their dried fish, not the sweets. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that in this country?

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<v Speaker 2>No, in a word, No.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never I've never got my head round that.

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<v Speaker 2>No. No, it's it's interesting that you're You've just reminded

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<v Speaker 2>me that one of the the things that's great about

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<v Speaker 2>working behind the scenes at the museum, because obviously we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a much bigger collection than we can actually show

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<v Speaker 2>at any one time, and we've got lots of books

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<v Speaker 2>from ships chandlers and the suppliers who supplied the boats.

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<v Speaker 2>And one of the things that always amazes me is

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<v Speaker 2>the number of tins of condensed milk that went aboard

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<v Speaker 2>these boats. Yeah, yeah, just to keep the crew going.

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<v Speaker 2>Just all the condensed milk, so sweet tooth.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you a story about I'll tell you a

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<v Speaker 1>story about condemnsed mild my experience, that's a bit of different.

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<v Speaker 1>My experience was condemnsed milk. All I ever wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do is that child. It'd be out in my father's

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<v Speaker 1>when we were out there fishing between the halls, they

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<v Speaker 1>would have a muggy tea and I was getting the

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<v Speaker 1>carnation milk and my tea, and my uncle was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it was all brothers, father and his brothers that had

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<v Speaker 1>the boat, and one of them, my uncles, was he

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<v Speaker 1>had a small bottle of milk. He took a piece

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<v Speaker 1>with him every day and he had a small bottle

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<v Speaker 1>of milk. So, I sister, when I saw it picture,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm maybe up ten would be the oldest I was then,

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<v Speaker 1>and assist him. Oh, uncle Jim, you're you don't use

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<v Speaker 1>you use cow's milk. No, no, no, no, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think cow's milk. I use bull's milk. And

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<v Speaker 1>look at home. We landed at home. I an't landed.

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<v Speaker 1>I was home in the house, and next morning my

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<v Speaker 1>mother sent to me at the breakfast table, and how

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<v Speaker 1>did it go? Oh, it's great, Michael jumped and I

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<v Speaker 1>told her and I often wondered, which although I never

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<v Speaker 1>ever never would any further. I often wondered if there

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<v Speaker 1>was through the pongo drums, what do you saying to

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<v Speaker 1>our children? So anyway, moving on the True Price of Fish.

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<v Speaker 1>The title of the book exclusively available your book, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>exclusively available in the museum. That takes me back as

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<v Speaker 1>well to my childhood. The very title. It's mean so

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<v Speaker 1>much to me, Linda, And I'll tell you why. When

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<v Speaker 1>we were kids, you know, the ship to shore or

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<v Speaker 1>the radio. We could put on the radio on the

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<v Speaker 1>long wave and listen to the boat talk on the

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<v Speaker 1>big sets and we just loved that. And then may

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<v Speaker 1>be news it would come to man overboard, boat sank,

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<v Speaker 1>all hands whatever. My mother still from from a todt

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<v Speaker 1>right up. My mother would always say, that's a true

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<v Speaker 1>price of us. Mh. So when I see the title

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<v Speaker 1>of your book, I just wow, it just takes me

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<v Speaker 1>back to that and what a fantastic book it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you, thank you. I mean it's it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's such a rich story to try and encapsulate, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's very difficult to do even within a museum of

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<v Speaker 2>this size, and even more so within a book. But

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<v Speaker 2>we're just so lucky with the collections that we have

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<v Speaker 2>and the generosity of people over the more than fifty

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<v Speaker 2>years that the museum has been around, just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>because the vast majority of our collections are donated, so

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<v Speaker 2>we're reliant on the generosity of people bringing those things

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<v Speaker 2>in and sharing them with us, and then we can

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<v Speaker 2>share them with our visitors of course.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think it's fantastic the way that goes all

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<v Speaker 1>the different methods of fish in different boats. Now I've

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<v Speaker 1>going right back with a sale. Just amazing. So the

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<v Speaker 1>photos are fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love our photo photo collection. Actually, it's one

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<v Speaker 2>of my favorites. There's always there's always new things to

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<v Speaker 2>discover within it, whether it's whether it's I mean it's

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<v Speaker 2>quite difficult to photograph men actually at work out at

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<v Speaker 2>sea because they're busy working. They're not they're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to take the camera out and start taking photographs. But

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<v Speaker 2>some of the community aspects and how even the children

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<v Speaker 2>are involved. As you were talking, you know, as you

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<v Speaker 2>were saying, going down to the harbor and helping get

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<v Speaker 2>the get the catch on onto the onto the quayside

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<v Speaker 2>and getting the boat's bakes as the the steamers went

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<v Speaker 2>down to Yarmouth, and all of these things are captured

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<v Speaker 2>in the photograph I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, and then I mean remember coming across one of

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<v Speaker 1>them with the motor power page and there's a the

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<v Speaker 1>note in about kelvin petrol or paraffin and it says

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<v Speaker 1>sixty sixty horse power. Well, my going back to our

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<v Speaker 1>family board, it was it was fifty four foot, which

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<v Speaker 1>is it would go into the fishing room. Of some

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<v Speaker 1>of the modern boats, they's so much bigger. But as

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<v Speaker 1>far as we were concerned, we thought she was a

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<v Speaker 1>battleship and it had a kelvin eighty eight eighty eight

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<v Speaker 1>horse power kelvin. So that's taken me back to that.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you think of you know, I've spoken to

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<v Speaker 1>some bettermen with the modern boats and they're into the

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<v Speaker 1>the two thousand and.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I know some of the sizes of these

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<v Speaker 2>these old engines. You know, we've got an old Gardener

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<v Speaker 2>engine and it's it's it's two meters long, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what the horsepower is, but it's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's less than eighty eight. It's just crazy how things

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<v Speaker 2>have moved on in the technology and the and the mechanization.

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<v Speaker 1>That's well well done in the book. I think it's fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if you spoke along with there

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<v Speaker 1>with some of the other museums, but I've got one

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<v Speaker 1>helm still, which obviously where I'm from. And they've got

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<v Speaker 1>the time Span Museum, Yes, yeah, and they've got a

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<v Speaker 1>book out now, Poetry of People and the Sea. And

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<v Speaker 1>I have to have a confession to make Linda. I've

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<v Speaker 1>I've gone over and over the most stunning photos. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't read a poem yet. That's a terrible admission. But

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<v Speaker 1>have you ever seen the one from Lossy Mouth Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Campbell just a lossy loon.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen that one.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's brilliant. It's brilliant because Andrew Campbell was such

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<v Speaker 1>a successful fisherman in his day. I can remember Andrew's

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<v Speaker 1>book in term. In fact, i'll tell you this story

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<v Speaker 1>about him. I was back at night. I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you exactly when it was. Nineteen seventy one. We got married, Marian.

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<v Speaker 1>I were now fifty five years married. We were in

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<v Speaker 1>honeymoon in Oban. Now a lot of the we call

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<v Speaker 1>them I n s, becaise the register you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>letters for lossy boats was i ns and barns we

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<v Speaker 1>used to say, I n s was I never sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>So our honeymoon was in Oban and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the Lossy boats then, I mean LOSSI Mouth had the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest seenor fleet in the country and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>them fished out of Oban, and so yes, think of

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<v Speaker 1>the out here's the situation, first or second night of

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<v Speaker 1>her honeymoon in bed and I hear I'm out of

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<v Speaker 1>bed out the window binocular and I see the I

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<v Speaker 1>NS sixty, I think sixty six, I think, And here's

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<v Speaker 1>me watching the boat. One of the first nights of

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<v Speaker 1>bed of her honeymoon. And a number of years later

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew is up. But another fisherman's funeral, Norny Bremner, which

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you know of the boy Andre. He passed

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<v Speaker 1>away and we're at his funeral. And I spoke to

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew and I told him that story and he and

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<v Speaker 1>he's broad Lossy accent. Ay ay, that's my boat. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be Do the museums speak together, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're quite. All museums are different, they're all they're all,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, there's all manner of different ways of setting

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<v Speaker 2>up a museum. But we're pretty good at getting together.

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<v Speaker 2>We've also got for heritage heritage vessels, there's an organization well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's National Historic Ships UK down in London and they

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<v Speaker 2>have a kind of a network of ship shape they

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<v Speaker 2>call it ship Shape Hubs and we are the the

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<v Speaker 2>ship Shape hub for Scotland and so through that we

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<v Speaker 2>try to connect with all the historic vessel operators. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's kind of there's kind of museum networks and then

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<v Speaker 2>there's the historic vessel networks. So we try to be

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<v Speaker 2>quite quite well connected and swap stories and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, there might be a museum that's going through

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<v Speaker 2>its collection and finds that there's something that it's got

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<v Speaker 2>that it doesn't feel that sits very well with us

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<v Speaker 2>with it, so they might offer it to us. Or

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<v Speaker 2>we might have something that we think actually we've got

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<v Speaker 2>duplicates of that would another museum, would it be better

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<v Speaker 2>in another museum, So there's that kind of conversation goes

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<v Speaker 2>on a fair bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 2>Good to collaborate and cooperate where we can.

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<v Speaker 1>Totally question in industry and coastal communities, you know, do

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes feelly ignored. How do you find the importance of

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<v Speaker 1>preserving their history. Even although they feel that they're ignored,

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<v Speaker 1>you obviously make it. I think a great job of

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<v Speaker 1>showing that they're important.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we try to. I mean, as I said earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the history of I can't imagine Scotland without fishing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's there's so many there's so much coastline for a start,

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<v Speaker 2>there's so many fishing harbors. But I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>quite easy to overlook. I think somebody has called it

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<v Speaker 2>sea blindness. People don't even they see the sea as

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<v Speaker 2>a kind of just a blue expanse on the horizon.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't actually think of it as an environment where

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<v Speaker 2>people have their livelihoods and work, whether that's in fishing

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<v Speaker 2>or in all the other industries that utilize the sea

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<v Speaker 2>and its resources. So I think I think that's changing.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, the city of Dundee, which we're quite close to,

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<v Speaker 2>for years and years there was no development along the waterfront.

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<v Speaker 2>The waterfront was just used as a motorway, as kind

420
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.480
<v Speaker 2>of a road network just to get in or out

421
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:17.839
<v Speaker 2>of Dundee. And I think they've over recent decades they've thought, actually,

422
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>we need to make much more of the waterfront. It's

423
00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>a great immunity it's a great resource. So they're developing

424
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 2>that and trying to make more of the fact that

425
00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:27.559
<v Speaker 2>they are a city that's on the banks of the

426
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 2>River Tay. And I think for people just in general,

427
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 2>there is a reawakening of awareness of the importance of

428
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:46.200
<v Speaker 2>the coast and the sea, whether that's for health and

429
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:50.640
<v Speaker 2>well being, whether it's for generating money, if it's the

430
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.640
<v Speaker 2>insure fisheries industry and you know that kind of luxury

431
00:30:54.680 --> 00:30:58.119
<v Speaker 2>seafood market that is so much of the story that

432
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.559
<v Speaker 2>Scotland tells to the rest of the world. Visit us.

433
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.720
<v Speaker 2>We've got all this wonderful seafood, and then you've got

434
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:09.559
<v Speaker 2>other people who are farming seaweed or farming shellfish and

435
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:13.759
<v Speaker 2>trying to kind of sit look at new ways of

436
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:19.480
<v Speaker 2>exploiting coastal waters and coastal habitats. So it's yes, it's

437
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 2>a difficult one because the fishing industry. I think it's

438
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.480
<v Speaker 2>because the boats are our way out at sea and

439
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 2>they're beyond the horizon. People don't see it. They don't

440
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 2>they don't see that work that goes on. They just

441
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.960
<v Speaker 2>see the end result. And also it's a lot less

442
00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:34.880
<v Speaker 2>visible than it used to be in the past, because

443
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 2>the boats are much bigger, so and everything's enclosed, and

444
00:31:39.160 --> 00:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>then they'll come into harbor and the factories of processing

445
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.359
<v Speaker 2>is all done in enclosed buildings where it used to

446
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:49.400
<v Speaker 2>be done outside or you know, in people's own own

447
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.440
<v Speaker 2>homes or in the in the yards outside their homes

448
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.079
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. It's easier to ignore it, but I think

449
00:31:56.119 --> 00:32:00.880
<v Speaker 2>it is still so much of a part of who

450
00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:05.440
<v Speaker 2>we are as a country and as a culture. Yeah,

451
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:07.519
<v Speaker 2>it's a difficult one. It's a difficult one.

452
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:09.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

453
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but then everybody goes for their fish and chips,

454
00:32:13.319 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 2>don't they. Everybody still still loves to eat their fish

455
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and chips, but maybe not to think about too much

456
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>about where that's come from. So it's bridging that gap

457
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:27.359
<v Speaker 2>between you know, that the end product and how it's

458
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>actually got there.

459
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:31.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think they were better in the past that

460
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 1>that accepted acknowledging where their fish was coming from. Yeah,

461
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel that anyway.

462
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there were more people employed in the industry as well,

463
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.200
<v Speaker 2>because as you were saying, you know, the boats were smaller,

464
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>so there were more of them, and so maybe it

465
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:52.839
<v Speaker 2>was it was just a bit more visible.

466
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:56.720
<v Speaker 1>But before yeah, as the boats were yeah, they're always

467
00:32:57.160 --> 00:32:59.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe in some bigger than that. But one of the

468
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>converse stations, Linda, another conversation I'll never ever forget. I'm

469
00:33:07.319 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>on the pear and scrubs the skipper. The boat just landed,

470
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 1>a really well known, well known and well well respected

471
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Orkney fisherman, and Albert read standing there after he landed.

472
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 1>We've sorted everything out, chat in a way we'd hear

473
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>this one. He says to me, Well, Jim, it's all

474
00:33:35.359 --> 00:33:38.279
<v Speaker 1>very well for you. We could stand here in the

475
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.119
<v Speaker 1>harbor here and chat for the rest of the day,

476
00:33:43.279 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 1>but he says, there's a bad forecast and I want

477
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:50.559
<v Speaker 1>to get out to see because I don't want to

478
00:33:50.640 --> 00:34:00.359
<v Speaker 1>get stuck in here. So the boats may have been

479
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:04.559
<v Speaker 1>made a steel but sore the man. Yes, that's a

480
00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:10.280
<v Speaker 1>lasting memory for me. Well that what can museums gather

481
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and protect better than statistics and government reports.

482
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:18.840
<v Speaker 2>I think that has to be the personal stories that

483
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:24.679
<v Speaker 2>people bring. Just this afternoon, actually we had a chap

484
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:27.960
<v Speaker 2>come in and he was he was ninety and he

485
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:33.960
<v Speaker 2>handed in to me the ganzy that his grandmother, who

486
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:38.119
<v Speaker 2>died in nineteen forty nine, had knitted for him for

487
00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:42.159
<v Speaker 2>his first trip to the sea, and he was going

488
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:45.519
<v Speaker 2>to see from Port Seaton. He would have worn that

489
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:52.440
<v Speaker 2>ganzi when he was seventeen years old, and he wore it,

490
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:56.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, on a string of fishing boats, which I

491
00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.079
<v Speaker 2>can't remember the names of now, but I scribbled them

492
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.559
<v Speaker 2>down as a bit of as I talking to me.

493
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's it's absolutely beautiful. I mean, it's it's exquisite

494
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:10.920
<v Speaker 2>that the fine detail of the stitching. He said, he leanded,

495
00:35:11.400 --> 00:35:14.079
<v Speaker 2>loaned it to a friend who probably washed it a

496
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>bit too hot and it shrunk a wee bit, so

497
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.199
<v Speaker 2>it's a little bit feltered, but it's still it's pristine.

498
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:29.760
<v Speaker 2>And it's that kind of story behind that ganzy that

499
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.599
<v Speaker 2>no book will tell you that. And that was a

500
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:38.119
<v Speaker 2>fisher roam fishing family and likewise, you know, the names

501
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:42.320
<v Speaker 2>had cone down the generations. And he also had his

502
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:48.840
<v Speaker 2>grandfather's seaboot stockings that that she had also knitted. And

503
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, if if you don't, if you don't, if

504
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.519
<v Speaker 2>you don't get the story, it's a pair of socks.

505
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:57.960
<v Speaker 2>If you get the story, then you know, then then

506
00:35:57.960 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 2>there's a story you can tell. And you can you know,

507
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:02.400
<v Speaker 2>you can see where the heels have been mended, and

508
00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 2>you know she's been, you know, in between his trips

509
00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:08.519
<v Speaker 2>to see she's been quickly darning the heels of his

510
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.280
<v Speaker 2>socks to get him out, back out again and keep

511
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:16.440
<v Speaker 2>him dry and warm. And that's from a conversation. And

512
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.719
<v Speaker 2>that's the kind of story or bit of information that

513
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.519
<v Speaker 2>you won't find in any of the reports. And the

514
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.360
<v Speaker 2>reports are are important because you know the number of

515
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:29.760
<v Speaker 2>boats that there are, a number of boats that there were,

516
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:32.800
<v Speaker 2>and the catches and how they were processed and where

517
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.639
<v Speaker 2>they all went to. That's that's really important when you're

518
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:39.159
<v Speaker 2>getting a picture of the national industry and how it's

519
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 2>ebbed and flowed and the different ups and downs of

520
00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 2>the pelagic versus the commercial. You know, all of that

521
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:53.039
<v Speaker 2>is important to understand, but it's the it's the stories

522
00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:56.159
<v Speaker 2>that people bring that bring it to life. And I

523
00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.360
<v Speaker 2>think museums can do that and we do that by

524
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously by telling those stories on labels, but we also

525
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:03.719
<v Speaker 2>have recordings that people can listen to as they go

526
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.239
<v Speaker 2>around the museum, so you know, they can pick up

527
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.920
<v Speaker 2>a headset and listen to somebody in their own words,

528
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:12.880
<v Speaker 2>talking about what it was like to be out there

529
00:37:13.480 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>on those boats, you know, using the equipment that people

530
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:18.920
<v Speaker 2>can see as they go around.

531
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:26.119
<v Speaker 1>I'll quote you this verse, pull the tread at the

532
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:31.480
<v Speaker 1>bottom and ravel a fisher's tale, a scratchy yet soft

533
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.599
<v Speaker 1>reminder of when boys were grown at sea. That's a poem,

534
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a gansy behind glass. It's the book from that I

535
00:37:44.559 --> 00:37:48.360
<v Speaker 1>mentioned to your Poetry of People and the Sea from

536
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Timespan Museum. I spoke to them today, Linda. I've got

537
00:37:53.480 --> 00:37:54.599
<v Speaker 1>a copy to send to you.

538
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.280
<v Speaker 2>Fantastic, fantastic, and there's.

539
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:04.880
<v Speaker 1>A poem and photo of three guys in their galzies.

540
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 1>But they all had ghanzis. We all had ghanzis and

541
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that's not to be forgotten. I think it's fantastic. You

542
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:21.320
<v Speaker 1>haven't museum acknowledged the importance of fishing in Scotland's history.

543
00:38:23.440 --> 00:38:26.039
<v Speaker 2>I think by trying to show all those different aspects.

544
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I think by trying to show it's not just the

545
00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.440
<v Speaker 2>guys out on the butt, not that that's not important,

546
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:35.800
<v Speaker 2>the guys on the boats actually catching the fish, but

547
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:39.440
<v Speaker 2>it's it's much wider than that, and it's the fact

548
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:45.679
<v Speaker 2>that there were women involved, there were children involved, there

549
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 2>were men, there were people on shore and offshore, there

550
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:52.280
<v Speaker 2>were the guys, the factories making the oil skins and

551
00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:57.360
<v Speaker 2>the nets, and the boys and the sails and building

552
00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:01.719
<v Speaker 2>the boats, and it was a whole, you know, industry

553
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 2>and then concentric circles of industry that came out of that.

554
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:09.559
<v Speaker 2>And we don't try and tell a simple story, and

555
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:15.239
<v Speaker 2>we don't try to answer all the questions either, because

556
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 2>the more you look into it, as with anything, I imagine,

557
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.360
<v Speaker 2>but the more you look into it, the more complex

558
00:39:21.679 --> 00:39:26.199
<v Speaker 2>and interesting and nuanced a story it is. And we

559
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:29.400
<v Speaker 2>try to do that justice within our displays and also

560
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:34.079
<v Speaker 2>within our temporary exhibitions. So as I said, we've got

561
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.639
<v Speaker 2>many more things in our collection that we can show

562
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.880
<v Speaker 2>any one time. So we have a program of temporary exhibitions,

563
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 2>and within that program we'll try to have a focus,

564
00:39:44.679 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 2>for example, on Ganzi's or on artwork, or on some

565
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 2>of the technical aspects. We had a recent one on

566
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the impact of steam power and the railways because it

567
00:39:59.079 --> 00:40:02.880
<v Speaker 2>was the an story of the railways in Britain, and

568
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:07.440
<v Speaker 2>these looking at the stories from different angles and picking

569
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 2>out different aspects means you can delve into things in

570
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:14.840
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more detail and bring out another kind

571
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:19.800
<v Speaker 2>of aspect of the nuance and also maybe interest people

572
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.679
<v Speaker 2>who have an interest in nitwear, so they'll come for that,

573
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and then they get interested in the story of the

574
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>fishing industry. Or they've got an interest in steam engines

575
00:40:26.880 --> 00:40:30.039
<v Speaker 2>and steam locomotives and trains, so they'll come for that,

576
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.000
<v Speaker 2>and then they'll get an interest in the fishing industry

577
00:40:32.039 --> 00:40:35.360
<v Speaker 2>because they haven't realized that, you know, the two two

578
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:43.840
<v Speaker 2>go together. So I think it's trying to show the

579
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:46.599
<v Speaker 2>entirety of it well, knowing that we'll never quite manage it.

580
00:40:49.079 --> 00:40:54.199
<v Speaker 1>The thing that I like, I see it in your book,

581
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:58.719
<v Speaker 1>which I'm pleased about, and as part of that story,

582
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:03.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's the woman as well as the man. Although

583
00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 1>they had hard they had hard lives, hard work. That

584
00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:12.320
<v Speaker 1>has my own granny has told me in the past.

585
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.639
<v Speaker 1>They had something great times and they were so happy.

586
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>That's so much fun as well. And I see that

587
00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 1>some of your photos there's fishermen smiling, which I think

588
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>is you know what, holding a big hall, a bit

589
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:29.320
<v Speaker 1>or something like that, something special.

590
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:35.000
<v Speaker 2>So exactly, Yeah, I think, Well, it's it's any it's

591
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:41.119
<v Speaker 2>any job or any kind of occupation or situation where

592
00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:44.519
<v Speaker 2>things are tough. You've got to find the humor, haven't you.

593
00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like that kind of it's almost like gallows humor.

594
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 2>But you know, if if if you've got a hard

595
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 2>working life, then you find you find you take the

596
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 2>opportunities to have a bit of a laugh. And there's

597
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:03.639
<v Speaker 2>a fantastic photograph that we've got of one of the

598
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:08.719
<v Speaker 2>boats with Brighter Hope that we've we've got we've got

599
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.800
<v Speaker 2>objects that relate to that boat, and there's a there's

600
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.000
<v Speaker 2>a photograph of the crew and they're just holding up

601
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 2>things that they had to hand, and they're they're posing

602
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:21.800
<v Speaker 2>like a skiffle group on board the boat with like

603
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:26.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, a barrel lid for a banjo, and you know,

604
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 2>it's it's just it's just mad. But they're obviously just

605
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 2>taking a two minute break from hauling on the lines,

606
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 2>just to be daft for a minute. And I think

607
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:41.400
<v Speaker 2>that the women as well. It is such a contradiction

608
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:45.440
<v Speaker 2>because they worked so hard and yet you hear the

609
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.599
<v Speaker 2>stories about the the herring gutters who would go down

610
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.199
<v Speaker 2>to Yarmouth and they say, oh, but it was so

611
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:55.480
<v Speaker 2>much fun and we would go to the pictures and

612
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:58.559
<v Speaker 2>we would we would, you know, hang out with our

613
00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.920
<v Speaker 2>friends and and I think I think we forget now

614
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Speaker 2>that how unusual that was for, you know, a gang

615
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:09.400
<v Speaker 2>of young women to go off together, traveling halfway down

616
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.440
<v Speaker 2>the country, you know, staying in lodgings or you know,

617
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:18.119
<v Speaker 2>together wherever they were working, earning their own money, having

618
00:43:18.159 --> 00:43:20.559
<v Speaker 2>their free time, being able to go to the pictures,

619
00:43:20.679 --> 00:43:22.920
<v Speaker 2>being able to you know, go to the fishermen's mission,

620
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.880
<v Speaker 2>or going window shop in the in the great resort

621
00:43:25.960 --> 00:43:30.480
<v Speaker 2>town of Great Yarmouth, and then have their earnings at

622
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the end of the season to take back on the

623
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 2>train with them. And you know, they did have that freedom,

624
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 2>and they had that independence as well as working very

625
00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:41.679
<v Speaker 2>very hard for it.

626
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And obviously it's been a as you say,

627
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.920
<v Speaker 1>it's been. Fishings has always been a very dangerous profession.

628
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:56.760
<v Speaker 1>But I think museum with what you mentioned earlier memorial

629
00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:00.559
<v Speaker 1>room a great way of acknowledging losses.

630
00:44:01.760 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as I.

631
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 1>Say, I hope.

632
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:11.239
<v Speaker 2>So the visitors book is quite interesting to read because

633
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot a lot of our visitors do comment and say, well,

634
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.760
<v Speaker 2>they bring up those two points. They bring up the

635
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:20.840
<v Speaker 2>point that you know, they now realize the value of

636
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:26.119
<v Speaker 2>the fish that they're eating and the what a hard

637
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 2>life people had. And they also really welcome the fact

638
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.400
<v Speaker 2>that we do highlight the role of the women in

639
00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the industry and the vital role that they played.

640
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>That should never be forgotten. My goodness, my grandmother, my

641
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:52.639
<v Speaker 1>old grandmother on my father's side, he was, I mean,

642
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.559
<v Speaker 1>I can just picture or my goodness, you would be

643
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:00.199
<v Speaker 1>and a boot in the harbor and doing all the

644
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 1>work things they would do with no rubber gloves, no protection,

645
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:10.360
<v Speaker 1>just bare hands, and about salt when they were saltings,

646
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and about beating m hm boks and stuff like that. No, no,

647
00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:23.440
<v Speaker 1>it's part well, is there, Ralph? Feeling that you feel

648
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that you or you hope that visitors will leave with

649
00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 1>after walking through the museum.

650
00:45:31.079 --> 00:45:36.159
<v Speaker 2>But if you said it, I hope that I hope

651
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:41.320
<v Speaker 2>they'll they'll understand more about the industry and and the

652
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.400
<v Speaker 2>fact that it's not the fishing industry. It's it's many

653
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:51.199
<v Speaker 2>different fishing industries, and you know obviously the change over time.

654
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:53.440
<v Speaker 2>But I hope that they would they would have a

655
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.719
<v Speaker 2>respect for the people who built the industry and who

656
00:45:57.840 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>under underpin it to this day. But I also hope

657
00:46:05.039 --> 00:46:09.800
<v Speaker 2>that they would they would also see that the kind

658
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.039
<v Speaker 2>of the positives of the industry and how it's inspired

659
00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:15.719
<v Speaker 2>people as well, because a lot of what we have

660
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:19.280
<v Speaker 2>on display are things like, well, we've spoken about poetry,

661
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:23.039
<v Speaker 2>and you know, we have examples of poetry on display.

662
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>We have wonderful artworks on display, and people who have

663
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.320
<v Speaker 2>really taken inspiration from the fishing community and the fishing

664
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 2>industry and its culture and then use that to as

665
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.880
<v Speaker 2>a as a support for creativity. So it's it's it's not.

666
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:46.880
<v Speaker 2>It's not you know, we're not We're not trying to

667
00:46:51.199 --> 00:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>batter people over the head with all the doom and

668
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 2>gloom behind the it's it's it's also a story of innovation, adaptation,

669
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:08.400
<v Speaker 2>two economic changes, environmental changes, industrial changes. It's a story

670
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:19.000
<v Speaker 2>of entrepreneurship and resilience, I suppose, and also of that

671
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:24.159
<v Speaker 2>strong community culture and traditions that are then inspiring for

672
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:24.719
<v Speaker 2>other people.

673
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I always thought as well, when the thinking back, for sure,

674
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:38.400
<v Speaker 1>when maybe on this one only particularly skippers when they

675
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:43.239
<v Speaker 1>were in I mean they had anything between five and

676
00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:47.599
<v Speaker 1>maybe seven men that they were responsible for, and they were,

677
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, how to be mindful of looking after and

678
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:57.760
<v Speaker 1>if they got in a situation with bad weather or

679
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:03.719
<v Speaker 1>something gone wrong or that what ann bull confidence they

680
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 1>must have had and strength to come through anything like that.

681
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I think so, Yes, I think so, although I mean

682
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.199
<v Speaker 2>you'll know this better than me. But probably they would

683
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.559
<v Speaker 2>be the last to admit it, and they would have

684
00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:21.599
<v Speaker 2>just said, oh, yeah, well that's just the job, you know.

685
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:22.559
<v Speaker 2>I just got on with it.

686
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:26.599
<v Speaker 1>But I asked. I remember asking that there was a

687
00:48:26.719 --> 00:48:32.280
<v Speaker 1>particular bad weather, now Helmsdale or my home village there were.

688
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.039
<v Speaker 1>It was on the east coast, so any one that

689
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:42.039
<v Speaker 1>gales anything bad weather easterly or southeasterly or that was

690
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:46.519
<v Speaker 1>really bad. And then I've seen the water, white water

691
00:48:46.760 --> 00:48:50.400
<v Speaker 1>just breaking from end to end in the bay. And

692
00:48:51.159 --> 00:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>here our boat come in one day. Girl was sp

693
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:04.119
<v Speaker 1>I says, how a nurse did you manage to get

694
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>in with that weather? And he says, no bother, no bother.

695
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:14.800
<v Speaker 1>He says, we hadn't a bother. He says, I had

696
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:19.119
<v Speaker 1>the coal shovel. I was able to keep the water.

697
00:49:23.280 --> 00:49:25.360
<v Speaker 1>I would say, just breaking over them.

698
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 2>There you go, resourcefulness, that's.

699
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. How would within the all it's like your artifacts

700
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:46.079
<v Speaker 1>and your what you've come you've got there, how would

701
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 1>you would you say you could see in the exhibit

702
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:56.159
<v Speaker 1>not sorry, it not exhibition. The museum life and fishing

703
00:49:56.239 --> 00:50:00.599
<v Speaker 1>communities has changed over this sense, over the past essentially,

704
00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:03.039
<v Speaker 1>I would say.

705
00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:07.760
<v Speaker 2>That the biggest change has been the increase in mechanization

706
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:14.119
<v Speaker 2>and the increases in technology, because yeah, I mean the

707
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.599
<v Speaker 2>last century were going back to the nineteen twenties, So

708
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:21.360
<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenties, you still had sailing boats, you know, and

709
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 2>obviously there were steam drifters, and there was steam liner,

710
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:29.960
<v Speaker 2>steam trawlers and motor boats as well coming in. But

711
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:36.840
<v Speaker 2>it was all very much powered by human hand, you know.

712
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean there were some winches and haulers and so on.

713
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:45.480
<v Speaker 2>But compared with you know, modern vessels with all the

714
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:48.039
<v Speaker 2>hydraulics and the power blocks and all of that and

715
00:50:48.119 --> 00:50:51.679
<v Speaker 2>the sheltered decks, and you know, it's much more physical,

716
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:56.039
<v Speaker 2>much more physical, and much more to do with reading

717
00:50:56.679 --> 00:51:01.400
<v Speaker 2>charts and reading you know, rather than you know, a

718
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:05.639
<v Speaker 2>GPS system that does it all for you. And so

719
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.920
<v Speaker 2>it's the same, it's always it's the same techniques that

720
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.360
<v Speaker 2>are being used that it's the same or very similar.

721
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:13.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously net technology has changed as well, but

722
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, you're still putting a net around some fish

723
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.599
<v Speaker 2>and hauling them out of the sea one way or another.

724
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.519
<v Speaker 2>But that's the same, but it's how that is done.

725
00:51:23.280 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 2>It's very different. And I think that's really interesting because

726
00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:34.880
<v Speaker 2>just thinking for myself, I think it's much easier for

727
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 2>people to get a grasp of and maybe going back

728
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:41.239
<v Speaker 2>to your earlier point about people not understanding what fishing is,

729
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:45.039
<v Speaker 2>nowadays it's much easier to get a grasp of things

730
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.920
<v Speaker 2>if they can see how they work. So if you

731
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:53.159
<v Speaker 2>look at like an old fashioned hauler or something like that,

732
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>you can see the gear wheels, you can see, or

733
00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.159
<v Speaker 2>the rope goes through that way and you pull it

734
00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:00.519
<v Speaker 2>and that's how it works. Or you know, even if

735
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 2>somebody's got an engine in their car, you know, if

736
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.840
<v Speaker 2>you can see the bits that are moving, you can

737
00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:07.800
<v Speaker 2>see how it works together and what it's for and

738
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:10.360
<v Speaker 2>how it does what it's meant to do, whereas now

739
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:14.360
<v Speaker 2>everything's all enclosed and it's all hidden away and you

740
00:52:14.639 --> 00:52:17.159
<v Speaker 2>plug it into a computer and the computer diagnoses the

741
00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.159
<v Speaker 2>problem for you. Or you know, if you're trying to

742
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 2>plot a course, you put the coordinates into your GPS

743
00:52:23.360 --> 00:52:25.519
<v Speaker 2>and it gets you where you're going to go, rather

744
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:27.639
<v Speaker 2>than have I got the map the right way up?

745
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:28.719
<v Speaker 1>When? How what's that?

746
00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 2>So I think it's much more difficult to kind of

747
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 2>get a handle on things when it's when it's all electronic.

748
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:42.760
<v Speaker 2>But actually showing people those older methods that were in

749
00:52:42.960 --> 00:52:46.119
<v Speaker 2>use one hundred years ago, fifty years ago, they can

750
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:51.280
<v Speaker 2>actually see the workings, and I think that's really that

751
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:56.079
<v Speaker 2>really helps people to understand what's going on and why

752
00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 2>it's important, why it needs to be done, and also

753
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:04.599
<v Speaker 2>why these guys who were doing it were so good

754
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:08.440
<v Speaker 2>at what they did and and needed to be because

755
00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:10.440
<v Speaker 2>they had to. They had to they had to run

756
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:13.119
<v Speaker 2>a business as a as a fishing vessel, and they

757
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:15.440
<v Speaker 2>needed to be good at navigating, and they needed to

758
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.239
<v Speaker 2>be good at all the mechanical stuff, and they needed

759
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:22.400
<v Speaker 2>to be good at finding the fish and also reading

760
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:26.119
<v Speaker 2>the markets and all of that side of things. So yeah,

761
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:28.360
<v Speaker 2>it's so multifaceted.

762
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Speaker 1>You know when you talk about when you were talking there,

763
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 1>remember exact words, but you were talking about wheels, and

764
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:42.159
<v Speaker 1>it's reminded me of what I class, what I would

765
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.039
<v Speaker 1>say and our family was a real funny story. Linda,

766
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:50.400
<v Speaker 1>it's good back, Well, it was good back to what

767
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.320
<v Speaker 1>we were talking about. I said earlier, the Kelvin eighty

768
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>eight and they were in. We have problem. It's a

769
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:02.760
<v Speaker 1>gearbox problem, and you know the wheel, the the there's

770
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.519
<v Speaker 1>teeth on them and that and that engages them. And

771
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 1>dogs called them and they had a problem with this.

772
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:14.639
<v Speaker 1>So they're looking at it and no, no, we're going

773
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:20.039
<v Speaker 1>to need to get an engineer. So they got my

774
00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:26.519
<v Speaker 1>Father's there their their father, so that's it was my grandfather.

775
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:32.159
<v Speaker 1>They got him and says Luke go up and phone

776
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Shepherd's engineers, who are the engineering company, and whick who.

777
00:54:36.840 --> 00:54:41.639
<v Speaker 1>He says, we're needing to get them down because and

778
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:44.519
<v Speaker 1>he says, just tell them the big dog is going

779
00:54:44.639 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 1>over the small dog and it's just smashing its teeth

780
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.159
<v Speaker 1>and it's just breaking his teeth. So it's no engaging.

781
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 1>So my grandfather goes up. He gets up to the house.

782
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:01.159
<v Speaker 1>You'll you'll remember, I'm sure you're you'll remember. That's the

783
00:55:01.760 --> 00:55:07.840
<v Speaker 1>So he dials hello. She says hello, can I help? Yeah,

784
00:55:07.960 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Speaker 1>he says, the big mysodas he says in Helmsdale. He says,

785
00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:16.320
<v Speaker 1>we're needing yet. Have a look. He says, the big

786
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>dogs are getting over the top of the small dogs

787
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:23.280
<v Speaker 1>and smashing their teeth. The woman came back and system,

788
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm really sorry about your dogs, but can you tell

789
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:28.159
<v Speaker 1>me what's number or what?

790
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Then?

791
00:55:29.239 --> 00:55:37.719
<v Speaker 1>It was the open. Has any of our traditions survived

792
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 1>and do you feel maybe some of them have disappeared.

793
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's a that's quite a sweek broad sweeping question. Undoubtedly,

794
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:56.440
<v Speaker 2>there's traditions that have disappeared, but yeah, some of them,

795
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:57.480
<v Speaker 2>some of them survived.

796
00:55:57.519 --> 00:55:59.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's there's.

797
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Quite a lot of well you'll know this as well,

798
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:06.599
<v Speaker 2>superstitions within the fishing community. Things words that are not

799
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:09.239
<v Speaker 2>to be said, and and things that are not to

800
00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:11.320
<v Speaker 2>be the right the wrong color aboard a boat. And

801
00:56:11.440 --> 00:56:14.679
<v Speaker 2>I think there is still some of that. We are

802
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 2>restored five feet the Reaper. There are certainly words that

803
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.440
<v Speaker 2>are not to be said aboard the Reaper, and wobatide

804
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.920
<v Speaker 2>anyone who starts whistling a tune, which I think is

805
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:31.960
<v Speaker 2>a is a very old tradition to avoid whistling up

806
00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 2>a wind while you're at sea. I mean, looking at looking,

807
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:41.559
<v Speaker 2>looking at more more more recent traditions. That there was

808
00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:46.079
<v Speaker 2>a time when all the harbors had their their gala days,

809
00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:49.039
<v Speaker 2>and I think there some of them are struggling now.

810
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.199
<v Speaker 2>And it was really lovely a few years back that

811
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:57.199
<v Speaker 2>Cellardyke Sea Queen was revived, So that was quite quite

812
00:56:57.199 --> 00:57:01.039
<v Speaker 2>an interesting one because it had fallen out of of

813
00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:09.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of current use, but it was revived. So I think,

814
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 2>I think it depends. I mean, each each small community

815
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:16.440
<v Speaker 2>has its own its own practices and traditions, and it's

816
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:21.280
<v Speaker 2>again difficult to say what what is a tradition that

817
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:24.840
<v Speaker 2>belongs to the fishing industry and what is a local.

818
00:57:26.840 --> 00:57:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you find with that superstitions? And sometimes you didn't.

819
00:57:34.159 --> 00:57:39.079
<v Speaker 1>It was okay to mention to speak the word as

820
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:40.840
<v Speaker 1>long as you weren't on board the boat.

821
00:57:43.719 --> 00:57:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I heard that, I've heard I've heard of that.

822
00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I've heard of that. But I've also heard of places

823
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.679
<v Speaker 2>where you just weren't allowed to say the words at all.

824
00:57:54.360 --> 00:57:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and yeah.

825
00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Other other words were used. We have a we have

826
00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:05.400
<v Speaker 2>a room in the museum with a it's a it's

827
00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:08.280
<v Speaker 2>got a small window in it that's got a design

828
00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 2>made out of sea glass, and it's a it's a

829
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:14.719
<v Speaker 2>it she was a salmon, But that was never called

830
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the salmon room. It was always called the redfish room. Yeah,

831
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:24.360
<v Speaker 2>and that's you know, that's a common a common translation

832
00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:25.559
<v Speaker 2>for for the term.

833
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:30.519
<v Speaker 1>I heard a coal iron. I've heard a pink fish,

834
00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:36.719
<v Speaker 1>red fish yeah, h never never salmon no.

835
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we've got I mean, we've got some some

836
00:58:42.079 --> 00:58:46.480
<v Speaker 2>really quite interesting objects in the collection. Talking thinking about

837
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 2>customs and traditions and superstitions, we've got a small child's

838
00:58:51.880 --> 00:58:57.119
<v Speaker 2>leather shoe that was hidden in the in the chimney

839
00:58:57.159 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 2>of a house and that was to keep the witches

840
00:59:00.119 --> 00:59:03.159
<v Speaker 2>out because it was it was used as a decoy.

841
00:59:03.280 --> 00:59:06.639
<v Speaker 2>And that's that's quite a common thing, not just in

842
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 2>fishing communities, but kind of late eighteenth nineteenth century, where

843
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.320
<v Speaker 2>you would if bad spirits or witches were looking for

844
00:59:17.440 --> 00:59:20.039
<v Speaker 2>the people in the house, if you hid an item

845
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:23.760
<v Speaker 2>of clothing in a chimney where they might get in,

846
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:27.440
<v Speaker 2>or by a window or a door, they would they

847
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.719
<v Speaker 2>would enchant that instead of going for the person, they

848
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:36.760
<v Speaker 2>would be decoyed. So that's that's quite an interesting item

849
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:37.320
<v Speaker 2>in the collection.

850
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:43.960
<v Speaker 1>Did we use a real strong tradition with us if

851
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:48.840
<v Speaker 1>somebody passed away and there was a came to the funeral,

852
00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:55.679
<v Speaker 1>woman would never go to the graveyard. Yeah. Ever, in fact,

853
00:59:56.320 --> 01:00:02.559
<v Speaker 1>my own sister says we still with not that she's

854
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:06.400
<v Speaker 1>wanting to keep with the tradition, but she's frightening to

855
01:00:06.519 --> 01:00:10.440
<v Speaker 1>think that her father would think of her if she

856
01:00:10.639 --> 01:00:14.199
<v Speaker 1>did go. So she'll she'll go to the service, she'll

857
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:16.320
<v Speaker 1>go to the house and things like that, but she'll

858
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:17.760
<v Speaker 1>just no go to the graveyard.

859
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:20.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, no, I've heard of that one as well.

860
01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah. And a woman he never never, never would

861
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:35.599
<v Speaker 1>there be allowed on a boat on the boat. I

862
01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:39.280
<v Speaker 1>was in Scrubster one day not that long ago, and

863
01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:43.639
<v Speaker 1>there was a young lad and board and his girlfriend

864
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:49.320
<v Speaker 1>and her pal. They were down and the and Scrubster

865
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.719
<v Speaker 1>on the boat and I was just standing in the

866
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.320
<v Speaker 1>thinking back, Thank goodness, my father's no seeing that.

867
01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:01.519
<v Speaker 2>But you see these these things go around because you

868
01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:05.559
<v Speaker 2>know there's going way back. It was the boats that

869
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:08.119
<v Speaker 2>used to take the women to go and get the

870
01:01:08.199 --> 01:01:12.119
<v Speaker 2>herring before they went by train or you know, other

871
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:18.119
<v Speaker 2>ways of traveling. Have you ever read the Christian Watt

872
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:23.360
<v Speaker 2>Papers That was written by a woman called Christian Watch.

873
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:27.599
<v Speaker 2>She lived in Broadsea up near Fraserburgh, and she was

874
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:34.679
<v Speaker 2>remembering the eighteen forties and she's got some fantastic stories

875
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:38.360
<v Speaker 2>and she's got some really strong opinions on many things,

876
01:01:39.440 --> 01:01:43.480
<v Speaker 2>but absolutely fascinating character and fascinating life and a really

877
01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:48.119
<v Speaker 2>hard life. She lost a lot of her relatives at sea.

878
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:51.199
<v Speaker 2>They were all all fishing, but she remembered going on

879
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:56.880
<v Speaker 2>her father's boat to the west coast to catch I

880
01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.639
<v Speaker 2>think it was odd. They were catching in the season

881
01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:03.760
<v Speaker 2>and the women went on the boat and then they

882
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:07.599
<v Speaker 2>stayed in huts by the shore and they would cure

883
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:09.599
<v Speaker 2>the fish that the men caught, you know, lay them

884
01:02:09.639 --> 01:02:12.960
<v Speaker 2>out on the shingle and dry them, and then they

885
01:02:12.960 --> 01:02:15.280
<v Speaker 2>would they would go on the boat back. And then

886
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.280
<v Speaker 2>as I said later on, it was when the when

887
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:22.760
<v Speaker 2>the first boats from the from Cellardyke actually that went

888
01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:26.480
<v Speaker 2>down to Great Yarmouth and started off that that East

889
01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Anglian kind of herring trip, and the women went on

890
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:36.840
<v Speaker 2>the boats before before they started chartering trains and things

891
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:39.400
<v Speaker 2>like that. And of course now you get you know,

892
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:40.880
<v Speaker 2>female fishers.

893
01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I think, yeah, just yeah, there were I

894
01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:54.039
<v Speaker 1>think maybe the fishermen in the past by like my

895
01:02:54.199 --> 01:02:56.679
<v Speaker 1>father's era and before that, and that there were just

896
01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:57.639
<v Speaker 1>men of their time.

897
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it was very though, because you know, we

898
01:03:02.360 --> 01:03:04.639
<v Speaker 2>tell the story of how important that the women were

899
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:07.960
<v Speaker 2>to the fishing industry, but they had their distinct roles.

900
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:11.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, they were preparing the gear and they were

901
01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:13.880
<v Speaker 2>processing the catch and they were sometimes they were selling

902
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:16.880
<v Speaker 2>the catches fish wives as well. But you know, in

903
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:22.679
<v Speaker 2>that period kind of nineteenth century period was it was

904
01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.400
<v Speaker 2>very gender. They wouldn't have caught them actually fishing on

905
01:03:25.519 --> 01:03:26.039
<v Speaker 2>board the boat.

906
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:33.360
<v Speaker 1>But even then, when I'm thinking, I mean would have

907
01:03:33.800 --> 01:03:36.320
<v Speaker 1>seen made many a time thinking a lottery load of

908
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:45.079
<v Speaker 1>fish to the Lake Aberdeen and my goodness, just some factories.

909
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:50.039
<v Speaker 1>There would just be rose and rose women, filets and

910
01:03:51.679 --> 01:04:02.960
<v Speaker 1>real characters, brilliant characters, you know, of any misconceptions have

911
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:05.400
<v Speaker 1>a bit of Scottish fishing heritage.

912
01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:16.000
<v Speaker 2>I think people don't realize how much goes into it.

913
01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I think, I mean, it's it's an easy mistake to make.

914
01:04:22.719 --> 01:04:27.840
<v Speaker 2>If if you don't know, then how why would why

915
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.159
<v Speaker 2>would you know that there was a difference between the

916
01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:34.199
<v Speaker 2>inshore fishing industry and the boats and the different fishing

917
01:04:34.280 --> 01:04:41.199
<v Speaker 2>methods that people use, and you know, the the offshore

918
01:04:42.320 --> 01:04:45.039
<v Speaker 2>with the large scale fishing industry.

919
01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:45.559
<v Speaker 1>I think.

920
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:53.519
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's getting back to that that story of

921
01:04:53.599 --> 01:05:00.480
<v Speaker 2>complexity and nuance, and I don't think that that's that's

922
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.000
<v Speaker 2>widely understood and the fact that you know you've got

923
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:08.360
<v Speaker 2>some fishermen who they have a boat and it's just

924
01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:12.000
<v Speaker 2>them and they go out on a daily basis or whatever,

925
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:16.000
<v Speaker 2>and they're fishing from their home port. And then you've

926
01:05:16.039 --> 01:05:22.440
<v Speaker 2>got you know, these vast logic trawlers of the workout

927
01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:26.199
<v Speaker 2>of Shetland and just you know, are a completely different

928
01:05:26.239 --> 01:05:32.239
<v Speaker 2>scale and then everything in between. And I think that

929
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:40.280
<v Speaker 2>that's maybe not quite understood by people outside of the industry,

930
01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:43.199
<v Speaker 2>just how how many different aspects there are and how

931
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:46.920
<v Speaker 2>complex it can be, and the fact that that you

932
01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:49.280
<v Speaker 2>know that a lot of the fishing is done by people,

933
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:53.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, running their own business and owning their own

934
01:05:53.280 --> 01:05:56.320
<v Speaker 2>boat and fishing and doing it all themselves, and it's

935
01:05:56.400 --> 01:05:59.360
<v Speaker 2>not all big, big companies.

936
01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:09.000
<v Speaker 1>Is there any single artifacts in the museum that perhab

937
01:06:09.480 --> 01:06:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the attention of most visitors.

938
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:17.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that would have to be the largest object

939
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:23.679
<v Speaker 2>that we have on show, which is our Zulu the Research,

940
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:28.360
<v Speaker 2>and that's that's a full sized vessel that's within the museum.

941
01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:31.079
<v Speaker 2>We have a number of full sized vessels in the museum,

942
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:36.199
<v Speaker 2>but most of them are you know, smaller kind of

943
01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:40.119
<v Speaker 2>in shore boats or or even smaller than that creole boats.

944
01:06:42.119 --> 01:06:47.800
<v Speaker 2>But the Research is a massive, a massive vessel built

945
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:51.320
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen oh three and fished till nineteen sixty eight

946
01:06:53.159 --> 01:06:57.639
<v Speaker 2>and built as a sailing Zulu and then later motorized,

947
01:06:57.960 --> 01:07:03.039
<v Speaker 2>and unfortunately all that we have left is the hull.

948
01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:05.920
<v Speaker 2>We have some of the equipment that came off her.

949
01:07:06.599 --> 01:07:10.519
<v Speaker 2>But in some ways that makes her even more impressive

950
01:07:10.599 --> 01:07:13.400
<v Speaker 2>for people because you can when you come in the gallery,

951
01:07:13.440 --> 01:07:15.840
<v Speaker 2>you come in at ground level and you're kind of

952
01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:18.280
<v Speaker 2>walking outside the outside, the outside of the hull of

953
01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:21.599
<v Speaker 2>the boat, and then the route takes you up and

954
01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:26.639
<v Speaker 2>around until you're kind of standing looking down inside the

955
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.280
<v Speaker 2>hull and you can see the construction. And I always

956
01:07:31.280 --> 01:07:37.280
<v Speaker 2>think it's absolutely astonishing to think that those massive oak

957
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:42.639
<v Speaker 2>frames were shaped by hand tools, you know, and because

958
01:07:42.719 --> 01:07:44.599
<v Speaker 2>when she was built, that's that's how they would have

959
01:07:44.639 --> 01:07:47.199
<v Speaker 2>built her with hand tools, and then obviously the planking.

960
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:52.519
<v Speaker 2>And as curator, I have had the opportunity to go

961
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:56.239
<v Speaker 2>down inside the hull, which the visitors unfortunately don't, and

962
01:07:57.239 --> 01:08:00.639
<v Speaker 2>when you're standing on the keel and you're looking up

963
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:04.400
<v Speaker 2>just the sheer scale of it, it's just absolutely amazing.

964
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, brilliant, that's brilliant. Are their stories told behind the exhibit?

965
01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:17.199
<v Speaker 2>We always try and tell stories. So with the research,

966
01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:20.640
<v Speaker 2>we were lucky enough that her last crew, because she

967
01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:24.439
<v Speaker 2>was built in the Northeast and then she went up

968
01:08:24.560 --> 01:08:27.760
<v Speaker 2>to Shetland and spent most of her working life in Shetland,

969
01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:31.880
<v Speaker 2>we were lucky that some of her last crew were

970
01:08:31.920 --> 01:08:34.560
<v Speaker 2>still alive when she was donated to the museum, so

971
01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:40.439
<v Speaker 2>we got their stories, and her engineer, Gibbey Williamson in particular,

972
01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:45.119
<v Speaker 2>left a good amount of stories of you know, fishing

973
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:48.840
<v Speaker 2>trips in her and so we try and share those

974
01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.920
<v Speaker 2>with the visitors because, as I say, that's what brings

975
01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:55.479
<v Speaker 2>the boat to life. Without without that, she's I mean,

976
01:08:55.479 --> 01:09:01.079
<v Speaker 2>she's still an amazing object, but it's difficult to picture

977
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:03.439
<v Speaker 2>when she's sitting inside the museum how she would have

978
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:08.439
<v Speaker 2>behaved out at sea. And I think that that human

979
01:09:08.520 --> 01:09:11.680
<v Speaker 2>element is important to give that flavor.

980
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:17.680
<v Speaker 1>Is there any artifacts that best show the skills and

981
01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:20.560
<v Speaker 1>ingenuity of Scottish fisher men?

982
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Again, that's a really difficult one because there's because there's

983
01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:27.920
<v Speaker 2>so many.

984
01:09:30.319 --> 01:09:33.199
<v Speaker 1>It's maybe the one you just mentioned.

985
01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe the one I just mentioned, do you know

986
01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:38.720
<v Speaker 2>what I mean? It's such a silly, simple thing, but

987
01:09:39.239 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 2>the nets are kind of little works of art in themselves,

988
01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:47.119
<v Speaker 2>I find. And if again, if you watch somebody mending

989
01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:50.479
<v Speaker 2>a net and you're from a fishing community, you'll be

990
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:53.000
<v Speaker 2>thinking what she's talking about, Well that obviously people can

991
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:55.720
<v Speaker 2>mend nets. But if you're not from a fishing community

992
01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.520
<v Speaker 2>and you see somebody just you know, they take some

993
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.880
<v Speaker 2>twine and they've got their their net needle, and their

994
01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:04.079
<v Speaker 2>hands move so fast you cann't you can't even see

995
01:10:04.119 --> 01:10:07.079
<v Speaker 2>what they're doing. And suddenly there's a hole where there

996
01:10:07.159 --> 01:10:09.319
<v Speaker 2>was a hole, there's no hole, and then you can't

997
01:10:09.359 --> 01:10:12.560
<v Speaker 2>even see where the mend was because they've they've got

998
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:16.439
<v Speaker 2>the gauge completely right, the mesh size is completely right,

999
01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:20.159
<v Speaker 2>the knots are as neat as anything, and you think,

1000
01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:24.640
<v Speaker 2>that's that's just skill, you know, that's that's just hand

1001
01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:29.920
<v Speaker 2>and eye and years of practice. It's it's it's muscle memory,

1002
01:10:30.079 --> 01:10:32.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's just you know, again what we were talking

1003
01:10:32.439 --> 01:10:35.600
<v Speaker 2>about before, here's a problem I need to solve it.

1004
01:10:35.680 --> 01:10:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I'll just get on and do it. And they just

1005
01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:44.000
<v Speaker 2>do it. But to anybody looking outside, you think, okay, yeah,

1006
01:10:45.319 --> 01:10:47.640
<v Speaker 2>that's that's something that I wouldn't know how to do.

1007
01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:53.039
<v Speaker 2>And there's just so many different little almost silly examples

1008
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:57.920
<v Speaker 2>like that that just come from those years of working

1009
01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:01.880
<v Speaker 2>within an industry from that individual and also the generations

1010
01:11:02.079 --> 01:11:05.439
<v Speaker 2>stretching back that mean that you know that was just

1011
01:11:05.960 --> 01:11:10.239
<v Speaker 2>around in their kind of family DNA almost to to

1012
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:12.079
<v Speaker 2>kind of pick up and run with.

1013
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, let's face fishing was central to places

1014
01:11:18.720 --> 01:11:25.600
<v Speaker 1>said like Anstruther, pitting waym and the East UK villages. Absolutely,

1015
01:11:26.399 --> 01:11:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean Mornons by that. The boat I've been talking about,

1016
01:11:31.600 --> 01:11:37.359
<v Speaker 1>our family boat that came from that was Builtons and

1017
01:11:37.520 --> 01:11:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Mornans mm hmm. Yeah. And what a great reputation Miller's

1018
01:11:44.600 --> 01:11:46.720
<v Speaker 1>a you know, if it was a Miller, if it

1019
01:11:46.880 --> 01:11:48.920
<v Speaker 1>was if it was a Miller's boat, it was a

1020
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:49.439
<v Speaker 1>good one.

1021
01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:52.399
<v Speaker 2>And they sent boats all over the world.

1022
01:11:53.479 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1023
01:11:54.359 --> 01:11:57.600
<v Speaker 2>But then even even more recently than that, you know,

1024
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:02.680
<v Speaker 2>a couple of that were I was lucky and luckily

1025
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:06.760
<v Speaker 2>enough to know and we're here as trustees, I'm sure

1026
01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:08.800
<v Speaker 2>you one of the names David Todd and David Smith.

1027
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:13.479
<v Speaker 2>And they were both real innovators in the fishing industry

1028
01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:17.560
<v Speaker 2>as regards machinery and the design of the boats and

1029
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:25.279
<v Speaker 2>adopting new technology and new ways of fishing because they

1030
01:12:25.319 --> 01:12:30.079
<v Speaker 2>were you know, entrepreneurs and mechanically minded and wanting to

1031
01:12:30.680 --> 01:12:32.960
<v Speaker 2>see how they could advance things.

1032
01:12:33.600 --> 01:12:40.920
<v Speaker 1>My response to that, Linda would be, do you mean

1033
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the navy smith? I do, I do Argueraut Argonaut, My goodness,

1034
01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:55.159
<v Speaker 1>what a name he made for himself. Good good fishermen.

1035
01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:02.800
<v Speaker 1>But in fairness to that guys as well, a good fisherman.

1036
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:06.520
<v Speaker 1>I mentioned good fishermen there, not Ebrahim. There up years

1037
01:13:06.600 --> 01:13:10.119
<v Speaker 1>of the same character with the boy Andre, and that

1038
01:13:10.359 --> 01:13:14.079
<v Speaker 1>story goes on. Now his son Andrew and his grandson

1039
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:20.399
<v Speaker 1>are now just as successful that. When I say that,

1040
01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:26.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't mean because they caught the boats fish. There's

1041
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:33.640
<v Speaker 1>more to it than that. They were mindful of the future,

1042
01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:40.840
<v Speaker 1>and no wouldn't they just didn't want to catch everything.

1043
01:13:40.880 --> 01:13:44.640
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I would elaborate on that. I would say,

1044
01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm in my sevenies now, been in the fishing and

1045
01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:51.800
<v Speaker 1>just pray much all my life. I've never yet met

1046
01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:55.079
<v Speaker 1>the fisherman who goes to see to catch the last

1047
01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:56.079
<v Speaker 1>of any species.

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01:13:56.439 --> 01:14:02.079
<v Speaker 2>Now, I think the fishman that I have met have

1049
01:14:02.199 --> 01:14:10.800
<v Speaker 2>all come from generations of fishermen, and they would wish

1050
01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:16.800
<v Speaker 2>for there to be generations going forward as well. I

1051
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.840
<v Speaker 2>don't think I mean there aren't as many people going

1052
01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:22.960
<v Speaker 2>into the fishing, and that's that's a really complicated story

1053
01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:29.159
<v Speaker 2>about regulation and resources and technology and all sorts of

1054
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:33.359
<v Speaker 2>different factors, and that's that's where it's it's quite a

1055
01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:37.680
<v Speaker 2>challenge and it's also but it's also quite a good

1056
01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:40.399
<v Speaker 2>thing to be a museum of a living industry, and

1057
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:42.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, long may we be a museum of a

1058
01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:46.359
<v Speaker 2>living industry. But it does mean that, you know, things

1059
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.359
<v Speaker 2>are changing now and we have to try and keep

1060
01:14:49.439 --> 01:14:53.439
<v Speaker 2>up with that as well as you know, preserving the

1061
01:14:53.560 --> 01:15:00.000
<v Speaker 2>history of the past. But it is a period of change.

1062
01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.479
<v Speaker 2>Was probably anybody at any point in history would tell

1063
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:07.760
<v Speaker 2>you it's a period of change, to be fair, But no,

1064
01:15:07.880 --> 01:15:12.600
<v Speaker 2>I agree the fishermen that I speak to would all

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01:15:12.640 --> 01:15:14.399
<v Speaker 2>want to see a future for the industry as well.

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01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:20.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, but even with the different styles, as you say,

1067
01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:24.920
<v Speaker 1>just what you mentioned there. I remember my father used

1068
01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:30.439
<v Speaker 1>to tell me and how when they were still steam

1069
01:15:31.000 --> 01:15:35.600
<v Speaker 1>and they would have coal, you know, on board. He said,

1070
01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:40.359
<v Speaker 1>there were fantastic seaboats and they were always great ballasts

1071
01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:43.840
<v Speaker 1>because the way he put it, he would be sailing

1072
01:15:44.159 --> 01:15:49.680
<v Speaker 1>out the fishing grounds with coal and they would be

1073
01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:55.840
<v Speaker 1>coming back full of fish, so the stability and were

1074
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:59.439
<v Speaker 1>great seaboats and you know they used what they had.

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01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely absolutely.

1076
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel younger visitors appreciate who demanding and dangerous

1077
01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:10.640
<v Speaker 1>a shan once was.

1078
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:20.039
<v Speaker 2>I think it's difficult because it's changed so much, and

1079
01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:25.560
<v Speaker 2>life has changed so much, you know, even between my

1080
01:16:25.760 --> 01:16:30.600
<v Speaker 2>childhood and my children's childhood, it's just so many things

1081
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:35.159
<v Speaker 2>have changed and it's difficult to get a grasp of.

1082
01:16:36.119 --> 01:16:39.920
<v Speaker 2>We try to convey some of these things, and we

1083
01:16:40.079 --> 01:16:47.119
<v Speaker 2>try to tell the stories and convey the information in

1084
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:51.520
<v Speaker 2>different ways at different levels so that the kids can

1085
01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.399
<v Speaker 2>who come, either either with their families or with school

1086
01:16:54.439 --> 01:16:58.359
<v Speaker 2>groups or whatever, can take away a bit more of

1087
01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:02.479
<v Speaker 2>an understanding. And we've we've actually worked on a couple

1088
01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:09.720
<v Speaker 2>of projects specifically around you know, how hard life was

1089
01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:13.680
<v Speaker 2>at sea, and we've got we've got some interactives that

1090
01:17:13.800 --> 01:17:16.880
<v Speaker 2>we that we use. We've got it's our version of

1091
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:19.199
<v Speaker 2>being resourceful and using the things to hand. We have

1092
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:23.479
<v Speaker 2>a waste paper but arts. Basically, it's like a laundry

1093
01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:27.760
<v Speaker 2>basket that we've rigged up with straps and we get

1094
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:30.199
<v Speaker 2>the kids to carry a load of bean bags as

1095
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:32.520
<v Speaker 2>if they were as if they were fish. Wives carrying

1096
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:36.039
<v Speaker 2>a load of fish, and we kind of adjust the

1097
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:39.279
<v Speaker 2>weight of the bean bags to be proportionate to the

1098
01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:42.279
<v Speaker 2>child's weight and just kind of say, right, okay, we'll

1099
01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:44.279
<v Speaker 2>load you up with bean bags. Now you walk along

1100
01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:46.119
<v Speaker 2>there and see how it would have been to carry

1101
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:51.239
<v Speaker 2>that load. And it's just you know, daft examples like that,

1102
01:17:51.479 --> 01:17:57.640
<v Speaker 2>but just to try and convey some of the physicality

1103
01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:59.520
<v Speaker 2>of it all. I mean, one of the great things

1104
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:01.680
<v Speaker 2>that we can do with the school groups actually is

1105
01:18:02.760 --> 01:18:06.479
<v Speaker 2>if they can get aboard the Reaper either an answer

1106
01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:10.039
<v Speaker 2>other or if she's able to get up to she

1107
01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:12.920
<v Speaker 2>was at McDuff earlier this year, and we get the

1108
01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:16.199
<v Speaker 2>school groups on board, and then you know, they get

1109
01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the experience of going down the ladder into the hold

1110
01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:22.640
<v Speaker 2>and getting into the cabin and climbing into the bunks,

1111
01:18:22.920 --> 01:18:25.960
<v Speaker 2>and they'll they'll all get on the end of a

1112
01:18:26.039 --> 01:18:31.399
<v Speaker 2>rope and raise the sails up, and that I think

1113
01:18:31.920 --> 01:18:35.920
<v Speaker 2>is much more immersive experience and they do get a

1114
01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:40.199
<v Speaker 2>bit more of an insight that way. So that's that's

1115
01:18:40.359 --> 01:18:45.760
<v Speaker 2>that's really useful because I think it's difficult otherwise to

1116
01:18:45.880 --> 01:18:55.359
<v Speaker 2>get to just get an understanding of the physical aspects

1117
01:18:55.399 --> 01:18:58.479
<v Speaker 2>of that hard way of life, and how.

1118
01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:02.159
<v Speaker 1>Much of the muniums not it comes from oral history

1119
01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:07.840
<v Speaker 1>or people telling their own stories, must be brilliant. And

1120
01:19:07.960 --> 01:19:12.399
<v Speaker 1>then when you get people like that, it is it is.

1121
01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:16.359
<v Speaker 2>And we are very lucky that we did have volunteers

1122
01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:22.000
<v Speaker 2>in the past who would interview people, and obviously we

1123
01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:24.840
<v Speaker 2>can do the same now, but it's great to have

1124
01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:31.560
<v Speaker 2>those stories captured from the past. And actually one of

1125
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:35.319
<v Speaker 2>the combinations that we found really worked well was we

1126
01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:39.239
<v Speaker 2>had a couple of volunteers who would go and do

1127
01:19:39.399 --> 01:19:44.119
<v Speaker 2>interviews together, and one of them was a member of

1128
01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:47.199
<v Speaker 2>the fishing community and had been a skipper and a fisherman,

1129
01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:51.840
<v Speaker 2>and the other one was not. So the fishermen could

1130
01:19:51.840 --> 01:19:55.000
<v Speaker 2>speak to whoever they were interviewing about the fishing aspects,

1131
01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:57.199
<v Speaker 2>and he knew which questions to ask, and he knew

1132
01:19:57.239 --> 01:20:00.119
<v Speaker 2>what they were talking about and could understand where they

1133
01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:03.760
<v Speaker 2>were going, and you know, that side of things. But

1134
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:06.359
<v Speaker 2>the person who didn't know what the volunteer who didn't

1135
01:20:06.560 --> 01:20:08.960
<v Speaker 2>wasn't from the fishing community could say, hang on a minute,

1136
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:12.079
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean by that? And and you can

1137
01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:13.920
<v Speaker 2>you go over that bit a bit more form it,

1138
01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:21.119
<v Speaker 2>because the danger is that you've got people who know

1139
01:20:21.239 --> 01:20:23.479
<v Speaker 2>what they're talking about speaking to somebody else who knows

1140
01:20:23.479 --> 01:20:25.560
<v Speaker 2>exactly what they're talking about, and there's a lot of

1141
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.560
<v Speaker 2>assumptions made about what people know, and then people like

1142
01:20:29.680 --> 01:20:32.760
<v Speaker 2>me come in twenty years later and think I have

1143
01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:36.199
<v Speaker 2>no idea what they're talking about, because they know what

1144
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:38.600
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about, but they haven't explained it for somebody

1145
01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:39.520
<v Speaker 2>coming from outside.

1146
01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, from a non fishing background.

1147
01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly, I mean, yeah, so yeah, it's great to

1148
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:52.520
<v Speaker 2>have the stories, but you have to ask the right

1149
01:20:52.600 --> 01:20:53.359
<v Speaker 2>questions as well.

1150
01:20:56.039 --> 01:21:01.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fantastic. What does the most memorable would you say,

1151
01:21:01.239 --> 01:21:06.399
<v Speaker 1>a conversation you've had with, say, an old fisherman or

1152
01:21:06.520 --> 01:21:07.439
<v Speaker 1>a family member.

1153
01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:14.760
<v Speaker 2>Again, that's a difficult one because well, as I was saying,

1154
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:17.640
<v Speaker 2>just this afternoon, I had a really fantastic conversation with

1155
01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:19.640
<v Speaker 2>a chap who brought his Ghanzi in.

1156
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:27.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that'll do. That's good. I don't say too high bar.

1157
01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:33.039
<v Speaker 1>And I'm fortunate, or maybe we're fortunate here because I'm

1158
01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:36.560
<v Speaker 1>old enough to remember just how important ghanzhi is wet.

1159
01:21:37.479 --> 01:21:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Exactly exactly, and all the different variations.

1160
01:21:41.920 --> 01:21:43.680
<v Speaker 1>My goodness, there were some weight in them.

1161
01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:50.600
<v Speaker 2>Ay, yes, yeah, I imagine when they got wet, they

1162
01:21:50.600 --> 01:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>weren't quite so comfortable.

1163
01:21:53.720 --> 01:22:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh, that's for sure and unfortunate. That's what was

1164
01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:03.239
<v Speaker 1>a problem for them if they did just say they

1165
01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:08.239
<v Speaker 1>went overboard or that. Yeah, that didn't help them the

1166
01:22:08.359 --> 01:22:15.119
<v Speaker 1>way the way of their ganzis and things like that. Blena,

1167
01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:22.960
<v Speaker 1>what are there stories that would have been lost forever

1168
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:27.720
<v Speaker 1>if they hadn't been recorded in time you feel in

1169
01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:29.279
<v Speaker 1>the museum.

1170
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:36.880
<v Speaker 2>Definitely. So speaking about our two volunteers, a lot of

1171
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:40.399
<v Speaker 2>the interviews that they did were around the time of

1172
01:22:40.720 --> 01:22:44.600
<v Speaker 2>the you know, we've had recently, over the recent decades

1173
01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:46.880
<v Speaker 2>or so, we've had quite a lot of big anniversaries

1174
01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:50.319
<v Speaker 2>of World War One and World War Two. So obviously

1175
01:22:50.359 --> 01:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the people that they were interviewing didn't have memories of

1176
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:55.279
<v Speaker 2>World War One, but they did have a lot of

1177
01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:58.439
<v Speaker 2>memories of World War Two, and that was something that

1178
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:03.600
<v Speaker 2>are earlier interviewees hadn't asked about. And whether that was

1179
01:23:03.680 --> 01:23:06.479
<v Speaker 2>because they didn't think to ask about it, or whether

1180
01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:09.680
<v Speaker 2>it was because there was still people were still sensitive

1181
01:23:09.680 --> 01:23:12.520
<v Speaker 2>about talking about it then when when they were speaking

1182
01:23:12.560 --> 01:23:15.880
<v Speaker 2>to them, so we got managed to get quite a

1183
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:22.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of details, interesting details about people's wartime experience. And

1184
01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:26.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously since then a number of our interviewees

1185
01:23:26.479 --> 01:23:29.399
<v Speaker 2>have passed away and we would have completely missed those

1186
01:23:29.439 --> 01:23:33.359
<v Speaker 2>stories had we not captured them at that point.

1187
01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's fantastic you have. And how do you feel

1188
01:23:41.439 --> 01:23:46.960
<v Speaker 1>from your research that the importance are How important were they?

1189
01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Like things like gutting yards, securing yards, markets, family businesses,

1190
01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:57.199
<v Speaker 1>success of the industry and the fleet.

1191
01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:03.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I'd say that the onshore aspect of the

1192
01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:08.600
<v Speaker 2>industry is as important as the boats themselves, because you know,

1193
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:10.520
<v Speaker 2>there's no point in catching the fish if you then

1194
01:24:10.680 --> 01:24:15.560
<v Speaker 2>can't get the fish to market and in the you know,

1195
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:20.159
<v Speaker 2>pre refrigeration and freezing, the only way you were going

1196
01:24:20.239 --> 01:24:23.039
<v Speaker 2>to do that was either to get it to your

1197
01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:27.279
<v Speaker 2>local markets by physically taking it there as fresh as possible,

1198
01:24:27.920 --> 01:24:34.159
<v Speaker 2>or by curing it. And so you know, the vast

1199
01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:37.199
<v Speaker 2>majority of people who had tasted fish it would have

1200
01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>been cured fish, you know, if they weren't living by

1201
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:44.079
<v Speaker 2>the coast themselves. So all of that infrastructure was vital,

1202
01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:48.760
<v Speaker 2>and not just for the fish processing, the gutting yards

1203
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:55.359
<v Speaker 2>as you say, and the and the factories and the

1204
01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:59.680
<v Speaker 2>transport infrastructure, but also things like the oil skin manufacturers,

1205
01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:05.239
<v Speaker 2>and then netmakers and the boat builders and rope walks

1206
01:25:05.279 --> 01:25:11.760
<v Speaker 2>as well. It's it's interesting how little of that architecture

1207
01:25:12.880 --> 01:25:18.640
<v Speaker 2>survives now and it has all been centralized. You've got

1208
01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:23.720
<v Speaker 2>it's all. It's all mass produced now and quite often

1209
01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:26.840
<v Speaker 2>not not in the UK as well. So's that again,

1210
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:30.000
<v Speaker 2>that's another aspect of the industry which is much more

1211
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:31.239
<v Speaker 2>hidden away than it used to be.

1212
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, Do you see a role for museums to

1213
01:25:38.600 --> 01:25:44.079
<v Speaker 1>help bridge the gap between fishing communities and the wader public.

1214
01:25:45.399 --> 01:25:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Definitely, definitely, And I think that's what I seem my

1215
01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:53.880
<v Speaker 2>own role as because as somebody coming in from outside

1216
01:25:54.479 --> 01:25:59.720
<v Speaker 2>and I can kind of be that bridge between the

1217
01:25:59.840 --> 01:26:04.479
<v Speaker 2>industry where people have lived it and know it absolutely intimately,

1218
01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:11.840
<v Speaker 2>and then the vast majority of our visitors whose interaction

1219
01:26:12.039 --> 01:26:14.720
<v Speaker 2>with fish is either you know, a fish finger of

1220
01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:17.920
<v Speaker 2>the freezer or their fish supper, or it might be

1221
01:26:17.960 --> 01:26:20.640
<v Speaker 2>a tin of tuna or something like that, and they

1222
01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:25.479
<v Speaker 2>haven't really thought about it. So that's where the museum

1223
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:34.319
<v Speaker 2>is I think, really important in communicating and finding those

1224
01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:37.479
<v Speaker 2>those little stories that will bring people in and draw

1225
01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:40.880
<v Speaker 2>them in and really to realize, oh, actually there's a

1226
01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:43.840
<v Speaker 2>whole aspect of this industry that I wasn't even thinking about.

1227
01:26:44.520 --> 01:26:47.319
<v Speaker 2>And it's because they've they've fallen in love with the

1228
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:51.239
<v Speaker 2>art of a particular artist who painted the fishing industry,

1229
01:26:51.479 --> 01:26:55.039
<v Speaker 2>or because of their interest in ganzies, or because of

1230
01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:59.119
<v Speaker 2>their interest in engines and engineering, and that's what's drawn

1231
01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:01.640
<v Speaker 2>them in. And then and you know, because of that

1232
01:27:02.319 --> 01:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>that translation piece that we can do as a museum,

1233
01:27:07.199 --> 01:27:11.079
<v Speaker 2>we can give them the context and say, well, all

1234
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:14.520
<v Speaker 2>of this is part of a really important industry and

1235
01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:18.760
<v Speaker 2>culture that was really vibrant in Scotland and still is

1236
01:27:19.640 --> 01:27:24.359
<v Speaker 2>really important with in Scotland. But you didn't know it

1237
01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:26.560
<v Speaker 2>was here. But now we can tell you about it.

1238
01:27:27.039 --> 01:27:29.159
<v Speaker 2>And then hopefully when they leave the museum, they're going

1239
01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:33.439
<v Speaker 2>out with a new appreciation and also maybe not with

1240
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:36.760
<v Speaker 2>more well hopefully with a few more answers, but maybe

1241
01:27:36.800 --> 01:27:40.159
<v Speaker 2>also with a few more questions and thinking, oh, I've

1242
01:27:40.199 --> 01:27:42.239
<v Speaker 2>never thought about that before. I'm going to find out

1243
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:46.560
<v Speaker 2>about that a little bit more and just just you know,

1244
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>awaken their curiosity. I mean, some of our visitors obviously

1245
01:27:50.560 --> 01:27:53.199
<v Speaker 2>are incredibly knowledgeable, and we get a lot of visitors

1246
01:27:53.680 --> 01:27:57.479
<v Speaker 2>who have a personal connection to some of the objects

1247
01:27:58.159 --> 01:28:02.159
<v Speaker 2>and the items on display. So that's where you know,

1248
01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:05.920
<v Speaker 2>the research is a great example because we get a

1249
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:08.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of visitors from Shetland who come specifically because we

1250
01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:11.279
<v Speaker 2>have that boat and they have a family connection with

1251
01:28:11.359 --> 01:28:14.520
<v Speaker 2>that boat. We have another boat in the in the museum,

1252
01:28:14.600 --> 01:28:20.359
<v Speaker 2>the Lively Hope who was based in Kenzie, and again

1253
01:28:20.479 --> 01:28:23.800
<v Speaker 2>we get people who come to visit that boat. I

1254
01:28:23.840 --> 01:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>mean it was almost like visiting a family member. And

1255
01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Fraserburgh as well with the links to the Reaper, so

1256
01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:32.279
<v Speaker 2>you know there are people who come to the museum

1257
01:28:32.319 --> 01:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>who know an awful lot and bring that knowledge with

1258
01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:37.399
<v Speaker 2>them and then you hear the family groups going around

1259
01:28:37.479 --> 01:28:39.159
<v Speaker 2>and saying, oh, well, that's the sort of thing that

1260
01:28:39.239 --> 01:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>your granny used to do and that's what your granddad

1261
01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:45.079
<v Speaker 2>used to do, so they've got that knowledge. So it's

1262
01:28:45.279 --> 01:28:52.760
<v Speaker 2>it's it's also looking after their interests, but being understandable

1263
01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.560
<v Speaker 2>to visitors who've got no background in it whatsoever and

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01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.439
<v Speaker 2>who are coming to it all fresh.

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01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Thinking of a story another story my father told me

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01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Linda about museum. It's we've going way way back. It

1267
01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:14.600
<v Speaker 1>was just after the war and they were fishing in

1268
01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the Murray Firth supposed to hear and they were listening

1269
01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:24.600
<v Speaker 1>to two boats from lossy Mouth. Now, if you could

1270
01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:27.520
<v Speaker 1>put helmstill is in the north side of the Murray Firth,

1271
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>lossy Mouth is out. So they fished close to each

1272
01:29:31.880 --> 01:29:36.000
<v Speaker 1>other a lot, and he told me the story about

1273
01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:41.039
<v Speaker 1>who's there were haddock at that time. It's very scarce,

1274
01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:47.079
<v Speaker 1>really scarce. Obviously the boats weren't catching them. And one

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01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:52.159
<v Speaker 1>boat called the other saying, if you hold yet? Have

1276
01:29:52.279 --> 01:29:56.479
<v Speaker 1>you hold the net yet? Yes, they've hold. He says

1277
01:29:56.880 --> 01:30:01.079
<v Speaker 1>you see any haddack and skipberk back to them and said,

1278
01:30:01.800 --> 01:30:05.960
<v Speaker 1>the next haddock you'll see is in a glass case

1279
01:30:06.039 --> 01:30:06.880
<v Speaker 1>in a museum.

1280
01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:12.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's a haddock, but it's not

1281
01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:15.760
<v Speaker 2>in a glass case. The the dried fish hanging up,

1282
01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>it's lost its head.

1283
01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, thankfully they are still catching in abundance. But that

1284
01:30:25.039 --> 01:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>just shows how cyclical Whish it is that it can

1285
01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>take off. And come on, are you working on any

1286
01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>future projects now that have be excited?

1287
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, we've got our exhibition program is always changing, so

1288
01:30:42.000 --> 01:30:45.520
<v Speaker 2>we've got planning for our autumn exhibition at the moment,

1289
01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:49.560
<v Speaker 2>which is actually quite exciting. We're partnering with the Royal

1290
01:30:49.600 --> 01:30:54.520
<v Speaker 2>Scottish Academy. It's their two hundredth anniversary, so they've got

1291
01:30:56.319 --> 01:30:59.119
<v Speaker 2>museums around the country or are borrowing items from them

1292
01:30:59.199 --> 01:31:03.479
<v Speaker 2>to display. So we've got an art exhibition on the

1293
01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:05.920
<v Speaker 2>works of John Bellanie, who obviously grew up in a

1294
01:31:05.960 --> 01:31:10.199
<v Speaker 2>fishing community in ports Eaton, and we've got two of

1295
01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:12.760
<v Speaker 2>his works in our collection, one of which has never

1296
01:31:12.840 --> 01:31:17.239
<v Speaker 2>been displayed and we're borrowing some more from the RSA.

1297
01:31:17.760 --> 01:31:21.720
<v Speaker 2>Another one has never been to our knowledge publicly displayed,

1298
01:31:22.239 --> 01:31:25.520
<v Speaker 2>so that'll be that will be quite interesting for folk

1299
01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>to see and something a bit different. And alongside of that,

1300
01:31:32.479 --> 01:31:38.720
<v Speaker 2>we've just had our Safety at Sea Gallery repainted, so

1301
01:31:39.199 --> 01:31:44.239
<v Speaker 2>I will be updating the displays in there, and that's

1302
01:31:44.279 --> 01:31:48.680
<v Speaker 2>where we talk about, obviously, you know, the dangers of

1303
01:31:48.720 --> 01:31:53.840
<v Speaker 2>fishing and how fishermen can and have kept themselves safe

1304
01:31:54.359 --> 01:31:57.239
<v Speaker 2>over the years, and going back to our earlier conversation,

1305
01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:00.680
<v Speaker 2>looking at some of the superstition and the way that

1306
01:32:00.920 --> 01:32:05.000
<v Speaker 2>that people used to keep themselves safe at sea before

1307
01:32:05.079 --> 01:32:09.880
<v Speaker 2>they had all the technological advances. So that will be

1308
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:13.479
<v Speaker 2>that will be being changed over the over the Ottoman

1309
01:32:13.560 --> 01:32:14.479
<v Speaker 2>winter period as well.

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01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:19.119
<v Speaker 1>What sort of timing is there, you know for fishing

1311
01:32:19.319 --> 01:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>year modern what we call modern year modern boats. Stuff

1312
01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:30.399
<v Speaker 1>you have collection, you have just now, when when do

1313
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>you does you start feeling well, that's for the museum

1314
01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:39.079
<v Speaker 1>and the next generation. When does that sort of kick in.

1315
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:42.359
<v Speaker 2>It's it's a difficult one. I mean, some of the

1316
01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:46.239
<v Speaker 2>things that we have are actual, you know, prototypes, like

1317
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:50.039
<v Speaker 2>we've got the lobster creole that there was a new

1318
01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:52.800
<v Speaker 2>design and it you know, it was we got it

1319
01:32:52.920 --> 01:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>when it was new kind of thing. So we do

1320
01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:57.439
<v Speaker 2>try to keep up with things, but a lot of

1321
01:32:57.520 --> 01:33:00.319
<v Speaker 2>the boats are a lot bigger than we've got based

1322
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:04.960
<v Speaker 2>to collect. So the way we get around that is that, well,

1323
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:09.119
<v Speaker 2>we've got models on display, so we'll kind of talk

1324
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:11.119
<v Speaker 2>about the evolution of the design of boats and the

1325
01:33:11.159 --> 01:33:14.239
<v Speaker 2>equipment and you know, the safety features and the the

1326
01:33:15.479 --> 01:33:21.039
<v Speaker 2>mechanical and the navigation equipment and communication equipment, et cetera.

1327
01:33:21.960 --> 01:33:24.680
<v Speaker 2>And we'll use model boats to talk about that, because

1328
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:32.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, you can't really collect fishing boats forever otherwise

1329
01:33:32.159 --> 01:33:35.319
<v Speaker 2>we'll start to take over the entire harbor. But no,

1330
01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:38.600
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a tricky one. And obviously when things are happening,

1331
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:41.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, when you're in the midst of things happening.

1332
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:44.039
<v Speaker 2>It's difficult to see what things are going to stand

1333
01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:45.920
<v Speaker 2>the test of time and what things are going to

1334
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:50.479
<v Speaker 2>be historically important in the future. So it's it's it's

1335
01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:53.039
<v Speaker 2>a little bit harder to know what to what to

1336
01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:55.399
<v Speaker 2>hang on to, but it is something that we try

1337
01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:57.479
<v Speaker 2>to keep an eye.

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01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:00.960
<v Speaker 1>On, and you are very much a special as mum

1339
01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>m that must be pretty much an endless challenge. There

1340
01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:10.399
<v Speaker 1>are meriting collections in the long term.

1341
01:34:11.279 --> 01:34:17.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I mean I'm not quite sure how we're

1342
01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:25.199
<v Speaker 2>going to collect things like some of the software that's

1343
01:34:25.279 --> 01:34:27.119
<v Speaker 2>used on board now. I mean some of that they're

1344
01:34:27.159 --> 01:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>really high tech stuff and hopefully that will be a

1345
01:34:31.000 --> 01:34:36.760
<v Speaker 2>problem for my successors to deal with, but hopefully there

1346
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:41.039
<v Speaker 2>As I say, there's challenges, but it's also interesting because

1347
01:34:41.079 --> 01:34:43.520
<v Speaker 2>it keeps the story fresh and it keeps it relevant

1348
01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:47.600
<v Speaker 2>to people, and it's it's a good position to be

1349
01:34:47.760 --> 01:34:52.359
<v Speaker 2>in to be a museum of a living industry, and.

1350
01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:56.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, we we.

1351
01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Try to keep our connections and try to to keep

1352
01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:04.680
<v Speaker 2>oral history. For example, interviewing people who are working in

1353
01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:07.239
<v Speaker 2>the industry now is a way of capturing that as

1354
01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:09.239
<v Speaker 2>well as the physical objects.

1355
01:35:11.239 --> 01:35:16.119
<v Speaker 1>And as a museum piece got to be study got

1356
01:35:16.199 --> 01:35:20.359
<v Speaker 1>to be old, no or not necessarily no. No.

1357
01:35:20.600 --> 01:35:25.239
<v Speaker 2>We had for our fiftieth anniversary that was in twenty nineteen,

1358
01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:30.239
<v Speaker 2>we had an exhibition and we spent we divided the

1359
01:35:30.319 --> 01:35:32.239
<v Speaker 2>year in two and the first half of the year

1360
01:35:32.319 --> 01:35:35.279
<v Speaker 2>we looked back fifty years to all the changes that

1361
01:35:35.359 --> 01:35:38.399
<v Speaker 2>had happened in the lifetime of the museum to that point.

1362
01:35:39.159 --> 01:35:40.760
<v Speaker 2>And in the second half of the year we had

1363
01:35:40.800 --> 01:35:44.800
<v Speaker 2>an exhibition that was looking forward fifty years and seeing well,

1364
01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:46.720
<v Speaker 2>what are the challenges going to be to the fishing

1365
01:35:46.920 --> 01:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>industry in the next fifty years. And that was really

1366
01:35:50.680 --> 01:35:54.920
<v Speaker 2>really interesting, and we spoke to some people who work

1367
01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:58.760
<v Speaker 2>in the industry, people fisheries, scientists, some of the people

1368
01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:03.520
<v Speaker 2>behind the kind of the new fishing gear, latest fishing

1369
01:36:03.600 --> 01:36:08.359
<v Speaker 2>gear and technology, and that was really interesting to try

1370
01:36:08.359 --> 01:36:10.239
<v Speaker 2>and predict, well, what are the issues going to be,

1371
01:36:10.560 --> 01:36:13.600
<v Speaker 2>and what are the challenges going to be, and how

1372
01:36:13.640 --> 01:36:16.479
<v Speaker 2>are they going to be resolved? What are the trends

1373
01:36:16.560 --> 01:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>that people there are seeing. It's not quite so easy

1374
01:36:20.000 --> 01:36:23.800
<v Speaker 2>because you can't you haven't got that luxury of distance

1375
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:27.640
<v Speaker 2>from the subject matter, but it's very interesting.

1376
01:36:30.000 --> 01:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>If I could ask you personally, after spending this time

1377
01:36:34.880 --> 01:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>immersed and the fishing Scotland's fishing hereded. What is what

1378
01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:49.039
<v Speaker 1>a surprised you and as your view of fishermen seeing

1379
01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:53.680
<v Speaker 1>since becoming curator, Well.

1380
01:36:53.560 --> 01:36:56.880
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have much knowledge of fishermen before I became curators,

1381
01:36:57.039 --> 01:37:07.279
<v Speaker 2>so that's an easy one to answer. Yes, yeah, yes,

1382
01:37:07.600 --> 01:37:09.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean obviously I grew up on the east coast

1383
01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:15.479
<v Speaker 2>of Scotland, so you know I did encounter the fishing

1384
01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:21.479
<v Speaker 2>community and people who worked within it, but it was Yeah,

1385
01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:24.760
<v Speaker 2>my knowledge, as I imagine many of our visitors knowledge

1386
01:37:24.880 --> 01:37:32.039
<v Speaker 2>is still was very basic. And I think the more

1387
01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the more I get to learn about it, and the

1388
01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:41.720
<v Speaker 2>more I get to know how the industry worked and

1389
01:37:43.880 --> 01:37:52.600
<v Speaker 2>still works, I think it's just an admiration for the

1390
01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:57.479
<v Speaker 2>people who make it happen because a lot of them

1391
01:37:57.520 --> 01:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>are just doing it themselves. I mean, obviously part of

1392
01:38:00.960 --> 01:38:03.439
<v Speaker 2>a community and part of a and and the fishing

1393
01:38:03.439 --> 01:38:06.039
<v Speaker 2>support organizations have a big role to play, but a

1394
01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:09.399
<v Speaker 2>lot of them are working for and by themselves. And

1395
01:38:12.640 --> 01:38:14.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, as a consumer going to the supermarket, you

1396
01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:19.039
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't you wouldn't realize that, you wouldn't think it's there's

1397
01:38:19.039 --> 01:38:23.159
<v Speaker 2>all these complicated links in a chain that that reach

1398
01:38:23.279 --> 01:38:28.159
<v Speaker 2>back to that point. Yeah, and then yes, it's how

1399
01:38:28.319 --> 01:38:30.119
<v Speaker 2>how do you convey that to other people? I think

1400
01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I think people who visit the museum do do gain

1401
01:38:32.800 --> 01:38:38.479
<v Speaker 2>an understanding of that? And do you think it's difficult.

1402
01:38:38.199 --> 01:38:43.439
<v Speaker 1>Anything in our industry has that question? In industry has

1403
01:38:43.680 --> 01:38:48.680
<v Speaker 1>contributed to Scotland that is still not maybe fully recognized.

1404
01:38:50.039 --> 01:38:56.520
<v Speaker 2>Again with the big questions, Yeah, I mean there's so

1405
01:38:56.600 --> 01:39:02.279
<v Speaker 2>many different ways to answer that that question. The economics,

1406
01:39:02.760 --> 01:39:09.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, the the importance of fishing. Well, going back

1407
01:39:09.720 --> 01:39:14.039
<v Speaker 2>to talking about the wartime, you know, fishing fish was

1408
01:39:14.079 --> 01:39:17.479
<v Speaker 2>not rationed during the war, and the fishermen kept fishing.

1409
01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:19.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, obviously some of them were called up for

1410
01:39:20.239 --> 01:39:25.079
<v Speaker 2>service and made a huge impact to you know, defending

1411
01:39:25.159 --> 01:39:31.319
<v Speaker 2>the coasts through mind sweeping and all of all of

1412
01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:35.079
<v Speaker 2>the duties that they took on, one for the the

1413
01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:41.319
<v Speaker 2>the Royal Naval Reserve, but also they kept fishing, and

1414
01:39:42.560 --> 01:39:46.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, in those in those straightened times, I think

1415
01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>that was a key contribution to the war effort. And

1416
01:39:52.880 --> 01:39:57.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if that's widely understood or or even

1417
01:39:57.119 --> 01:39:57.840
<v Speaker 2>thought about.

1418
01:39:59.319 --> 01:40:03.960
<v Speaker 1>For younger is listening today to us who knows really

1419
01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:08.800
<v Speaker 1>nothing about the fishing industry, What one thing would you

1420
01:40:09.159 --> 01:40:17.399
<v Speaker 1>want him to remember. You know, funny when I say that, Linda,

1421
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:19.560
<v Speaker 1>and I don't want to make it sounded if I'm

1422
01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:25.159
<v Speaker 1>jumping in and answering my own question. I think I

1423
01:40:25.319 --> 01:40:28.960
<v Speaker 1>think you have the answer in your book that title

1424
01:40:29.119 --> 01:40:34.840
<v Speaker 1>your book. Yes, feel paish, that's it.

1425
01:40:35.159 --> 01:40:39.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it's the it's the human endeavor that goes

1426
01:40:39.479 --> 01:40:41.760
<v Speaker 2>into putting the fish on on people's plates.

1427
01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah. If just say our listeners, some of

1428
01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>our listeners today have never visited the museum, what experience

1429
01:40:54.079 --> 01:40:58.359
<v Speaker 1>do you hope they would they will come forward and

1430
01:40:58.560 --> 01:41:01.600
<v Speaker 1>what feelings would you like them to leave with.

1431
01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, I would tell them it's a

1432
01:41:06.600 --> 01:41:09.439
<v Speaker 2>lot bigger than it looks from the outside, So give

1433
01:41:09.439 --> 01:41:12.039
<v Speaker 2>yourself enough time. Because as there's a lot to see

1434
01:41:12.319 --> 01:41:18.520
<v Speaker 2>and lots of interesting things to see, and lots of

1435
01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:20.840
<v Speaker 2>interactive things for kids to do as they go around

1436
01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:25.960
<v Speaker 2>as well, because we do, as I said before, we

1437
01:41:26.119 --> 01:41:30.000
<v Speaker 2>do think it's it's quite good for children to learn

1438
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:32.439
<v Speaker 2>through doing things as well as you know, just reading

1439
01:41:33.359 --> 01:41:37.159
<v Speaker 2>text panels and looking looking at things. I would hope

1440
01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:41.199
<v Speaker 2>that people would come in looking for a good day

1441
01:41:41.239 --> 01:41:44.680
<v Speaker 2>out and a good family day out lots of lots

1442
01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:46.840
<v Speaker 2>of things that they will find that will be talking

1443
01:41:46.920 --> 01:41:53.399
<v Speaker 2>points that will surprise them, that will tell them more

1444
01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:56.960
<v Speaker 2>about an industry that they maybe didn't know so much about,

1445
01:41:57.319 --> 01:42:00.079
<v Speaker 2>or if they're if they've got a history of the

1446
01:42:00.119 --> 01:42:03.479
<v Speaker 2>fishing industry, there'll be things that they that they recognize

1447
01:42:03.560 --> 01:42:06.720
<v Speaker 2>and they can they can point to, you know, similar

1448
01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:09.760
<v Speaker 2>things being in their own homes or their their their

1449
01:42:09.800 --> 01:42:13.880
<v Speaker 2>grandparents' homes or whatever. And when they leave the museum,

1450
01:42:14.840 --> 01:42:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I hope that they would leave with some answers to

1451
01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:24.600
<v Speaker 2>some questions and maybe some more some more curiosity about

1452
01:42:25.560 --> 01:42:28.039
<v Speaker 2>other things that they can they can explore a little

1453
01:42:28.039 --> 01:42:32.239
<v Speaker 2>bit further. We've we've got we've got displays that cover

1454
01:42:33.560 --> 01:42:36.359
<v Speaker 2>the technical aspects of of how how fish are actually

1455
01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:39.479
<v Speaker 2>caught out of the sea, that the fish themselves, and

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<v Speaker 2>how they live, the culture, the traditions, the people who

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<v Speaker 2>made up the fishing community. There's lots of different strands

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<v Speaker 2>to it. We can't possibly exhaust all of those strands

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<v Speaker 2>within a single museum visit. So I would hope that

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<v Speaker 2>there will be something there that any visitor would find

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<v Speaker 2>that would peak their interest and that they could go

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<v Speaker 2>and explore further. Once they've once they've left us, and

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<v Speaker 2>they can they can do that. We've got lots of

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<v Speaker 2>resources on our website, and we've got our photographic library

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<v Speaker 2>on our website, which is fantastic. We're adding to that

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<v Speaker 2>with the help of volunteers. We've got learning resources, little

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<v Speaker 2>summaries of our exhibitions, our events programs and so on.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's lots for people to look at once they've

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<v Speaker 2>once they've been to the museum as well if they

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<v Speaker 2>want to follow up on various things.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent, excellent. You know one of the stories when you

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about wartime and that I just remember. I

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<v Speaker 1>just thought back my own family. I just thought that

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<v Speaker 1>that's my old My cousin is quite a bit older

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<v Speaker 1>than me, ninety and I often said, it must have

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<v Speaker 1>been such an exciting place just after the war, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's when the father and his brothers they got the

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<v Speaker 1>boat from incident from Saint Mornan's. What an exciting village

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<v Speaker 1>it must have been. And thinking from my granny and

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<v Speaker 1>grandest point of view, they had five sons volunteered, went off,

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01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:26.399
<v Speaker 1>spent their time in the navy, and five of them

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01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:33.600
<v Speaker 1>came back WoT got a boat and started fishing. That

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<v Speaker 1>must be fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can our listeners follow the museum activities online.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got our website www. Dot Scottfish Museum dot org

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<v Speaker 2>and we're also on Facebook X and Instagram and LinkedIn

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<v Speaker 2>as well, so that's that's where to keep up the

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook and Instagram or where we publish all of our

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<v Speaker 2>activity programs or exhibitions and any details of things that

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01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:17.560
<v Speaker 2>are coming up. So that's that's where to look for

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<v Speaker 2>that up to date information.

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<v Speaker 1>Brilliant, fantastic, and I'd just like to say thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>your time today. It's been a real pleasure. I've loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, thank you, it's been it's been interesting to hear

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<v Speaker 2>your stories as well.