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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellow Sikos. I am Dan Fa Valley,

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joined by my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant Hughes,

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we put out the Time Capsule podcast where you could

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listen to two hours of Grant and I grading the

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twenty twenty three off season for every Western Conference team.

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You know what it's time to do now, Grant, actually

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take ownership of those grades and regrade the twenty twenty

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three off season for every Western Conference team. For anyone worried,

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rest assured. We're going to get to this off season's

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grades for us, We found it makes sense to actually

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wait until later because then when we go back and

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regrade things, there's less for us to you know, like

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additional stuff for us to consider. And also no one's

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doing off season grades like at the end of August

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early September, like they've already moved on from that, and

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so we stand out a little bit. We've had time.

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You pointed this out, Grant, One, how are you? But

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two you're also a genius because you said it keeps

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us removed from the like that initial knee jerk reaction.

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You're going to be more impassioned and haven't had as

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much time to critically think about the grades. So this

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offseason's grades are coming, but for now, we're going to

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regrade the Western Conference offseason and the Eastern Conference regrade

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will come next week. And with that, mister Hughes, how

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the heck are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm prepared to be accountable? Isn't that? Isn't that what

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the expectation is today? Are you prepared to be accountable?

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I actually like I didn't really look. I know, we

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have our grades up. I'm looking at them right now.

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And this is gonna be an exercise where I feel

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like I'll spend most of the time trying to reverse

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engineer why I thought what I thought, because I'm believe

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it or not, I don't remember the logic behind what

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I thought a year ago at this time.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what's sick? Our dedication here? And also

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this hardwood Knox merch Sickle Mode collection. You should go

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purchase it the links of the podcast and YouTube description.

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I went back and listened to all two hours plus

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of us at what speed? Two time speed? That's as

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fast as well, you can go faster, but I did

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two time speed because I talked so fast that anything

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faster than that is just like drivele and so I

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like some of my logic on the things now stretch

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my mind, which I think will make it better. And

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it's like, oh, kind of what was I thinking there?

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But I'm interested to see where we kind of shift

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from and for anyone, the way we're gonna do this

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is like we'll hit the greatest hits, like we'll talk

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about the transactions that kind of define the offseason. If

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you want to see basically a full complete transaction lot,

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I will have it up on screen on YouTube. So

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if you really want to use the butt, we're not

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going to sit there and list off every move like

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we typically do for the Grace, because we'll be here

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for two plus hours then.

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Speaker 2: Or one plus if you want to listen to this, well,

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we'll be here for two hours, but you can knock

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get out as a listener in one if you go

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two x, which is two x is too fast for me.

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I can't do it like one point five, maybe one

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point seventy five if it's purely informational.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I've done two point five before, like because it's

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easier to change it on your compute to go up.

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I've done two point five. That's too much stuff to

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consume and too much stuff to do. I can't be

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sitting there listening to podcasts at one one speed like.

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Speaker 2: A normal human. Yeah, okay, well good for you. I

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always am concerned that after I listen to a podcast

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that accelerated speed, that I go around speaking to people

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like way too fast. Like I think I'm like all

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hopped up. I don't know if that's actually how I

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come across, but that's my I think you're.

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Speaker 1: Just so excited about whatever subject you're talking about at

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the time, it's it's infectious. You hear the person talking fast,

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it's excitement. That's what is with me. I get to

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talk with Grant, I'm just through the moon, over the moon, excited,

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and so it's becomes infectious. Now you're going to talk

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fast for the rest of the day.

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Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, or I'll be burned out from talking. We'll see.

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Let's start, shall we Denver Nuggets, We're starting. We're starting

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with them traded at twenty nine first to the Thunder

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with top five protection for a couple of years and

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number the number forty pick Maxwell Lewis to the Lakers.

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They get back Julian Straw, the Jalen Pickett Hunter Tyson,

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who make up kind of this young core guys that

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now are going to be pressed into more duty this year.

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That's the that's not the topic of this podcast. Reggie

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Jackson came back two years ten point three million. Can't

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wait to hear you speak about that one, because I

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do remember that from last year sign Strawther four years,

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twelve and a half million, two fully guaranteed sign pickets signed.

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Tyson brought back, are brought in. Justin Holliday resigned DeAndre Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Some two wedn't we didn't miss anything too. It's like

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there's nothing It'll be denoted on the screen if you're

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watching on YouTube and white I think is the font

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color I chose. But there's nothing here that they did

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groundbreaking lye that should change our grade. And so first

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time around, Grant, do you well, I guess we're both

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looking at it. So you're obviously gonna know I gave

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them a D plus. You gave them a C minus. Yeah,

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would you like to when we do actual grades, we'll

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have to save it to the end. But because this

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is a regrade, I guess it makes more sense to

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do it at the beginning, Do you feel better or

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even before human do you feel better or worse about

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the off season they had in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't know if I feel all that different

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because because like I think, you know the draft machinations,

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I understand the theory of it. Now, none of those

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guys like really popped and never really had the opportunity to.

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Maybe that happens this year. I think the big difference

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between us was like you and not saying you were wrong.

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The Reggie Jackson deal two for ten point three with

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a player option. It's like, why is Reggie Jackson getting

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a player option? He was not a difference maker. He was,

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but he wasn't like a catastrophe.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But but because you had that player option, you

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end up have any give up three second round picks.

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Speaker 2: Do we factor that? I guess we factor that in

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because they put themselves in that position.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's how this impacted it. I mean, it's gonna

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get really dicey when we get to the Clippers because

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the James Harden trade did not happen in the offseason.

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of waiting when you gave up what he did and conceded.

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So with the Nuggets. Look, I'm just gonna come out

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flat out and say it. I think you can feel

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better about specifically Julian Straw before he got injured, be

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like okay, Like I could see the theory of him.

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you're really on the Hunter Tyson or jail and Pickett

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bandwe I said, why would you feel better? I justin

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holiday worked that well for them. This is just like,

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I'm gonna stick with a D plus. They didn't do

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anything to like to shift my view, and I could

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be talked into going lower because our feet my fear

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anyway kind of came to pass with the Reggie Jackson stuff.

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It's just it's not at a high level enough. Already

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dinged them with the D plus. If you think Julian

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Strather is eventually going to be the third best player

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on the Nuggets, then by all means jack up your grade.

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But from where I'm standing, that's the only reason to

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change the grade of this team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if I were moving one way or

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the other, I'm gonna stay at a C minus. It

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just like feels slightly below average. I do think we

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should mention that, like, you know, as we discussed a

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million times last year at this time, couldn't have kept

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Bruce Brown, you know, so that that's got very little

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to do I think for me and certain and for

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both of us of why this is a below average grade.

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Jeff Green also got away two years nineteen point two million,

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ended up in Houston, Like, Okay, I don't know if

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you're not gonna again, like if you were going to

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go higher, it would just be on the basis of

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the thinking behind giving up a future first, a fairly

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distant future first, to get three guys like late first,

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early seconds that like you know, it's just like a

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shotgun approach, like maybe one of these guys is gonna pop.

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just basing that on like speculation that that's gonna happen,

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because it didn't happen last year. Not that that's fair,

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because this was a title contender that brought in a

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bunch of rookies and it's.

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Speaker 1: Like, these guys, what scenario would both to win the title?

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Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, and and and like, well, so

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that that's where it goes.

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Speaker 1: The other way, it's like, why did you want a

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bunch of young guys that just like, no way, you're

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trying to help you, You're trying to do the that's

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more of a that might be more of a conversation

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for their actual twenty four off season grades. Now that

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can tavey of Calopope's and I understand what they're trying

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to do. It just so rarely works. I can appreciate

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the swing, but it might be a level of TVD

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because you want to see what Pickett and Tyson and

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role next year, but as of right now, there's this

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has done nothing. Drew Justin Holliday was a little bit

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better than I expected, Julian Strather was. I'm more intrigued

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by him than I was expected, but like I'm probably

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less intrigued with Jalen Pickett at this point, so it's

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it's a wash for me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Minnesota, Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Timberwolves, so uh they the thing we missed so you

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could see they signed Anthony Edwards at the time he

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got his extension, it was a max deal. They re

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signed Nazrie three years, forty two million. There's some second

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round pick trades in there. They signed Nikkei Alexander Walker

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to a two year, nine million dollar contract. They signed

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Shake Milton to a two year, ten million dollar contract

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that was non guaranteed. He's the longer on the team.

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non guaranteed. In here two and the thing that we

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the grade came in. So the grades you're gonna hear

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that we gave was before the Jayden McDaniels extension, which

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we actually talked about specific numbers for it. Do you

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remember he won't remember. You and I were wondering if

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like forty years and one forty was a good number

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for him. They got in for five years and one

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hundred and thirty one million dollars. It could go up

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to one hundred and thirty six million. I still feel thought, like, well,

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we it wasn't caked in the grade, but even after

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the regular season he had on offense. He came alive

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during the playoffs. But it's fair to be concerned the

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regular season is longer. This is the deal that I

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just feel perfectly like if the Timber was, I'm like, okay,

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like we knocked this one out of the park.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, well you were slightly higher. You had

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an A minus and I had a B plus. I

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imagine that if the McDaniels deal had been a part

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of this, and based on what you claim we said,

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which I don't remember as far as the years and dollars,

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we probably would have gone higher, right just because oh,

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that's such a bargain for McDaniels on top of everything else.

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I could imagine. I mean, you'd had to get to

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a flat A, which is kind of a big oh.

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Speaker 1: And look I'm rising it here they get an A plus.

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What did they do wrong? I mean, the don Reed

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deal looks way better than it did at the time,

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and we loved it. The and the Edwards deal, it

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was always going to look fine. And Okay, now now

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it's he's gonna get the thirty percent max, so he's

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actually not getting it becomes like five and whatever it

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is now like two? Was it forties?

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Speaker 2: You're ecstatic if you're the wolves that you are being

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Speaker 1: Though, so like there's there's no it's Okay, Shake Milton

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didn't really become a part of the team. It over

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and just they made it to the conference finals coming

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off a year in which people were kind of not

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this podcast shout out to us, but off a year

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in which people were counting that what did they miss?

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Like what is the you're gonna miss on the Shake

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Miltons and the Troy Browns, but the core of your

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off season they hit right on everything, like even the

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I thought, I still like the Leonard Miller deal, Like

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you gave up two seconds to go get Leonard Miller

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at number thirty three. Okay, you don't necessarily see the

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long term fit on this team, but he's so I mean,

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he's done some filthy things in the Glee, So I

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go A plus.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what you want, ring, I'll just keep

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a similar level a jump. I'll go to A. The

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A plus to me, it's like it was perfect and

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you did mention like a couple of these things didn't

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work out, but they got all the big business right,

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at the list, everything that really mattered was a hit

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and so I don't know, you can't move down and

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I think it, Yeah, they definitely look better.

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Speaker 1: This is the no notes, like we're gonna spend less

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time on them than because what was there to What

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did you want them to do that they missed out on?

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It's okay. The problem they had was could they have

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gotten some more just shot creation, secondary ball handling beyond

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Mike Conley and Anthony Edwards. It's they didn't have a

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ton of resources to do that. And I thought Shake

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Milton at the time, I thought it was a reasonable gamble.

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There's no one they missed out on though, where it

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was like, oh, you would have been way better for them,

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and they would have won the title if they.

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Speaker 2: Had And even those I don't know if you said it,

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but they're both Milton and Brown had non guarantees on

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the second year. And what didn't they trade Brown? I

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forget now or maybe they.

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Speaker 1: Ended up I think they trade both. Didn't they end

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up trading both of them? Shake Milton was part of

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the Monte Morris deeelf, I'm not mistaken. That sounds right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So either way, they were gonna be off the

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hook for those and that's not like they're catastrophic. They

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paid five million for one guy and four for the

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other and then they're just clean.

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Speaker 1: So we can move on to the Oklahoma City funder

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they did. They were part of that Julian They were

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on the other side of the Julian Strather trade. They

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also they this is interesting to look back on now, Grant.

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They traded Derek Lively, which was number twelve, for pick

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number ten Casey and Wallace and took back Damas Berton's

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He was guaranteed twenty two point five million through twenty

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twenty four twenty twenty five. He ends up getting traded Charlotte.

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They capitalized by waving him with the five million partial guarantee.

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They ended up with Victor Oladepo on the team. The

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thing that we missed that just didn't have room to

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included on the graphic. It's too negligible, though, is they

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did trade. I think it was like, was it on

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opening night or just before it? They traded for Kevin

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Porter Junior and then waved him so they could get

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two seconds from the rockets. That's right, that far removed

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from the situation because of the Kevin Porter junior domestic

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violence issues, which we went into at length, so you

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can go back and listen to us talk about the

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actual issue there. I still think that they shouldn't have

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done it because they were able to capitalize on his

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domestic violence allegations, but I don't think it's gonna materially

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change my grade for them here when I look at

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They also signed Vasilli Michez three years, twenty three point

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six million dollars. They ended up moving him as well.

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It was a team option on year three though. So

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what's interesting about this team I think for what I'm

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zeroing in on is that trade for Caseon Wallace. I

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destroyed the Thunder last year, Grant, and that's We've gotten

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complaints in the comments that I'm too much of a thunder.

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The skateboard guy is too much of a thunder fanboy.

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I've now seen twice our names. I guess that's on

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my fault. I should put our handles back on. We

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have names. You don't have to just call us the

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if you're watching this show. We have names. I'm Grant,

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he's Dan, so identify us as.

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Speaker 2: Both of skateboards.

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Speaker 1: What else? Yeah, look there it is names, So I

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gave them a C minus. They shouldn't. Here's my thing.

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Derek Lively is better than I ever could have anticipated,

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But so is Casean Wallace, And so I still think, okay,

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see didn't get enough run out of its cap space.

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But because you ended up like I like the idea

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of having the distant Denver first in your back pocket

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now and then because I really love case and I

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picked Casey Wallace for first team All Rookie, So like

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did I'm coming in from that perspective. I feel like

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I kind of have to bump them up and say

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it because, like I guess Micha didn't work out and

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they use him to go get Gordon Hayward, who also

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doesn't work out. I think I have to go to

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like probably a B minus. The gamble for Cason Wallace

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was absolutely reasonable at this point, I could probably even

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be talked into a bee. Is that too high? What

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should I be doing here? Well?

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, Sue, I just like, what if what if

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they just took Lively? Aren't they in a are they

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in a better?

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Speaker 1: Okay? Here's my thing about that is is Derek okay?

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Derek Lively? Is he going to have been the difference, Like,

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would they they view chet Holm Grin as a center yea.

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And so if you're getting Derek Lively, I know he's cheaper,

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but you kind of want to view him as a

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core piece. Would he have gotten as many developmental reps

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in Oklahoma City as he did in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: It's so hard to know, because I was gonna ask

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as I was thinking, well, but who, like, if you're

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just in a vacuum trading Derek Lively or case and

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Wallace today, who's getting you more in return? I feel

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like it's probably Lively. But your point, your point is

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correct that had he been on the Thunder, I don't

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know what we would think about him. Maybe it'd be

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the same. Uh. But I just maybe he also would

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have just not gotten to play enough. That's also a possibility.

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I don't know. I'm I'm I think maybe you can Maunite.

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You remember was a lot of the below average grade

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because we had the same grade here a C minus

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tied to the well. So your cap space went to

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taking on Davas Berton's Basically, I.

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Speaker 1: Can imagine we should push back from Thunder fans, and

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by the way we turned out, right on this, so

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hashtag victory lap. So maybe I'll maybe I'll stick go

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to a CE because I'm in love with Cason Wallace

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was the arment was, well, they're gonna be able to

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use Davias Bretons to make this deal with the deadline

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that makes the materially better. Guess what, they made a deal.

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It did not pan out. I thought it wasn't reasonable

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dice roll, but it didn't pan out. And so the

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whole theory of why it was okay to take on

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Damas Breton's is this, he's this expendable salary filler. It

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did not play out the way the best case scenario way,

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so and even just they probably expected message to play

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more of a role, or maybe they didn't put the

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contract they signed him to what certainly to me things

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that they did. This is coming across as us destroying them.

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I mean, I guess it's time that we say something

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not like oh eleven of ten, no notes on the thunder.

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I'm so big a believer in Case and Wallace and

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I don't like what's the opportunity. Look at where they're

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at now with Isaiah Hartenstein and Alex Caruso. They didn't

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like to be set up to do that. I'm gonna,

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you know what, this is purely because of caseon Wallace

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and the Denver trade. I'm gonna go to a B minus.

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And the only reason I won't go higher is because

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Derek Lisley is really fucking good.

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Speaker 2: That's where I'm stuck to. I get like we're just

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we're talking about hypotheticals. I guess like looking at where

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the Thunder have strengths, it's in the guard and wing section,

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and Wallace Wallace just it may struggle for a long

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time to have a larger role than he currently has,

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just because the Thunder are so loaded. I think he's

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going to be like Wallace's floor is a phenomenal role player,

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Like that's he's gonna be that. He is basically that

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right now. I wonder though I'm hung up on live.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to move Beverly thought he was at one point.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to move them to a C, which is

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still moving up. But I'm hung up on well what

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about what if they just had taken lively?

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Speaker 1: This is bad podcasting. We need to remember to note

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this at the beginning next time. C is a good grade?

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You have pasked it's the d's and the fs that

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you really if you want to get mad or be

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sad about that, C is average. And so if you

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think the Thunder had an above average offseason last year,

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B minus is above average. C is is average, So

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we should have noted that.

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Speaker 2: And the argument that we'll look where the Thunder are today.

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So therefore this has to be an a that's.

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Speaker 1: Not nothing to do with the off season of season.

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Speaker 2: That just that's not that's like we agree if you've

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listened to this at all, like we we we again,

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like you said eleven or ten no notes on the Thunder,

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This was just a fine to me.

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Speaker 1: I would just like to say on behalf of the

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comments sectionion. Finally, the Lionel Messi character says something negative

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about the Thunder.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thanks, thank you, skateboard guy.

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Speaker 1: On to the Portland Trailblazers.

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Speaker 2: We sure can. I'll go down to go through this one.

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Here they drafted the Scoot Henderson at number three. I

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seem to recall we both like that drafts.

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Speaker 1: By the way, this is spoiler. We're gonna have some

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things to walk back on the Eastern Conference Part podcast

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with them. Just that one.

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Speaker 2: I love I love to walk back Chris Murray at

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number twenty three. Uh drafted Brian Rupaer at forty three.

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He got a three year deal signed Jeremy Grant. That's

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a big one. Five years, one hundred and sixty. He

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has a player option on the last year. That match

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the three for thirty one on the tees table. That

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was fun. Remember that was it Dallas. Dallas signed him, right,

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that's the offer sheet. A couple two way transactions here.

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Oh did they do anything else? Dan? We hadn't happened yet.

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Speaker 1: Remember the whole reason we waited last year until I

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think it was like August twenty something or eighteenth or

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whatever it was. It was like, well, we need to

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see how that Damian Lillard's stuff plays out. And guess

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what Grant.

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Speaker 2: It played out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, went to dollars for every time I went too soon, guy, So, uh,

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this does not factor into the grade.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it's gonna do for the regrade

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traded Dame Lillard used Nurkich, Kean Johnson, and NOAs Little

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for Drew Holliday, DeAndre eight and Tamani Kamara. Or yeah,

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I guess he'd already been picked by Phoenix twenty eight

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first first round swap from Milwaukee at twenty nine first

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uh from Milwaukee at twenty thirty first round swap from Milwaukee,

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then flipped Holiday to Boston for Brogden Robert Williams the third,

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another first which became bub Carrington, who is which became

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Denny Avdia became Denny Avdia and a twenty. So, I mean,

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how do you want to tackle this because you know

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what ninety percent of what? Well, I guess there's a

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lot to talk about here because Scoot is a big deal,

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the Grant contracts a big deal, and then obviously the

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couple trades are huge.

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Speaker 1: So it's why didn't we go with a TBD for

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this team where we're just not convinced that Damian Lolland

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was going to be true Because I gave them first

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time around a C minus. You were more generous. I

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gave it. That was a that's a pretty big difference

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for us. We tend to have like dual group thing here.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think I look back on this offseason more fondly

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than I did before. I don't know about you, and

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I think the hall they got for Damian Lillard when

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he was so obviously trying to get to one team

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is impressive. I mean, like you turned him into effectively,

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It's just like, so you turn him into Denny Avdia

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and then you turned him into the Milwaukee first and

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the two swaps and plus Robert Williams the third, Like

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that's the crux and you by the way, I view

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this isn't that positive? Deandrayton's like, is his deal worse

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than Nurkices? Right now? I was gonta say, you got

473
00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:06,599
off Nurkic, but like he also ended up with Deandreton

474
00:21:06,799 --> 00:21:09,279
and the other by the way, the other guy like

475
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,799
that they got who is like he's a hashtag guy

476
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,640
or a tap slot guy. Tamanti Kamara can guard no

477
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,319
fewer than four and a half positions. And so I

478
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,440
look back on them deciding to actually move on from

479
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,319
Damian Lillard, even if they kind of dragged it out

480
00:21:23,319 --> 00:21:25,880
so that he had to initiate it. I view that

481
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,599
as a positive. The things that I have questions about,

482
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,440
I'm fine, the cap is going up, and he played

483
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,519
really well last year and did not ruin their ability

484
00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:35,799
to get a top draft pick. The Jeremy Grant DEALM

485
00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:38,480
just kind of whatever. I think that if fans believe

486
00:21:38,519 --> 00:21:40,400
they need to get like three first round picks for him,

487
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,119
they're out of their minds. They're not gonna get that.

488
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,200
But I think I think his deal is gonna just

489
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,519
be movable. I don't think he's gonna be their long term.

490
00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:49,960
I don't know if he'll get traded this season. I

491
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,759
think he could get traded, and it wouldn't shock me

492
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,319
if in when he does. If they got multiple first

493
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,200
round picks, I feel a little bit more and easy.

494
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,240
I love the Chris Murray pick. I loved the Scoot

495
00:21:59,279 --> 00:22:01,200
Henderson pick. I don't know if I loved the Scoot

496
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:04,039
Henderson pick as much as you loved the Scoot Henderson pick,

497
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:07,000
but obviously not before I throw it to you. I'm

498
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:11,920
not dinging them for not selecting Brandon Miller because I

499
00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,119
really do believe that Scoot Henderson is still going to

500
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,880
be really good, and so while Brandon Miller is better

501
00:22:17,039 --> 00:22:20,359
and just much better overall than we thought, I personally

502
00:22:20,839 --> 00:22:23,119
cannot especially for what they needed if you were going

503
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,680
to get rid of Damian Lillard like Scoot which and

504
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,039
also Brendan Miller's off the board. So am I talking

505
00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:30,079
about they drafted at number three. So I'm an idiot

506
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,480
if you wanted them to go with a Thompson twin.

507
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,680
I just I'm and Thompson's great. I love Astar Thompson,

508
00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:41,599
but I don't view the Scoot selection. I might be

509
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,559
more neutral on it now, like oh, it's well you

510
00:22:43,599 --> 00:22:45,480
were obligated to take him, rather than like, oh my god,

511
00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:47,839
you fell to them, right, I don't view it in

512
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,559
a negative light.

513
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 2: Well, so so you were lower on that. So like

514
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,680
maybe the question is this take out the Damian Lillard

515
00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:01,440
trade and just just like Regrade made what we talked

516
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,519
about when we did this last year, are you higher

517
00:23:03,559 --> 00:23:07,160
or lower on what Portland did exclusive of the Damian

518
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:07,799
Lillard trade?

519
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: That's like an unfair question.

520
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,799
Speaker 2: Well, I'm just curious, it's not you know, I'm just

521
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,599
because I'm I would have to be lower.

522
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 1: In the rookie season that Scoot Henderson had, you would

523
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,880
have to be lower. But the context of this, I

524
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,160
mean he was dealing with injuries, his role of coming

525
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,240
off the bench. Like so you have to feel what

526
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,200
you can't feel better about Scoot Henderson today than you

527
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:29,960
did when he was drafted. There was the the car

528
00:23:30,039 --> 00:23:32,720
drove off the lot factor to it. What I ding

529
00:23:32,799 --> 00:23:37,160
them for on the re listen is because I thought

530
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,759
they were chicken shits when it came to Jamian Lillard

531
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:41,880
is that you should have just made the decision. I

532
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:45,039
thought it took Gaul to take Scoot Henderson, which I

533
00:23:45,039 --> 00:23:47,799
applauded them for, but you still made Damian Lillard kind

534
00:23:47,799 --> 00:23:50,079
of initiate the breakup, and I thought that was like real,

535
00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:52,680
like I don't want to use the word cowardly, but

536
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,680
it was lame, Like you should have just you probably

537
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,160
would have created an even better Mark Frothier market for him,

538
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,720
and you've been the one that made the decision.

539
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:01,039
Speaker 2: So I I I came in at with a B.

540
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,720
Are you gonna go over the top of the B

541
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,000
including the Damian Lillard trade now in your regrade?

542
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because just look at it, by the way, if

543
00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:11,799
you want it to feel better independent the Damian Lillard trade,

544
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,680
I really do think it's the Jeremy Grant deal. I

545
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,039
just don't. It was viewed as so much more toxic

546
00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,880
because we were all collectively you and I did frame

547
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,079
as a percentage of the salary cap. But you're still

548
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,720
just oh, five years, one hundred and sixty million, five

549
00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:26,799
years and one hundred and sixty million through his age thirty

550
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:28,599
four season. Right. I was just like, oh, right, like

551
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,640
he could be like your seventh guy and that's fine.

552
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:35,160
So I'm exaggerating obviously, So I'm I think we might

553
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,400
still differ on this. I'm gonna go to an A minus.

554
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,559
Speaker 2: I was thinking B plus or A minus, just because

555
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:45,839
I do think when it all finally shook out moving

556
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,880
on from Lillard and somehow finding leverage when he was,

557
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,599
like you said, just trying to get to the Heat,

558
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,599
and the Blazer's deserve credit for saying like, no, we're

559
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,720
just gonna make this a rough situation until we get

560
00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:59,440
something we actually want and we don't like we're not

561
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,319
behold into where you want to go. And nobody, by

562
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,200
the way, now is mad at the Blazers for quote

563
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,799
unquote treating Dame that way.

564
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,759
Speaker 1: You know, like that that was an editor, Barry Jackson,

565
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,359
who I'm sure is very well connected within the Heat organization.

566
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,440
It still seems very angry about it. So I don't

567
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,599
know if he has equity in the Heat or just

568
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,960
like did he bet, like did he place a bet?

569
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,759
I'm wonder Damie Liloer was gonna end up, but he

570
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:25,279
seems to be trolle whatever opportunity I see. Someone send

571
00:25:25,319 --> 00:25:28,319
me a tweet of like Barry Jackson trolling the Blazer's

572
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:28,960
front office.

573
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like I need to come up to

574
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,960
an A minus too, just partly, I mean even with like,

575
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,400
obviously I'm not as high on Scoot Henderson now as

576
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,359
I was, just because I thought I drank the kool

577
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,480
aid on Scoot. For sure, he could still be great,

578
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:45,160
but it's just like you said, you can't be you

579
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,039
can't feel as good now as you did a year ago.

580
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:51,799
And just to be consistent, like we always are pushing

581
00:25:51,839 --> 00:25:54,279
teams to just like pull the ripcord when it's clear

582
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,000
that they need to, and Portland did that and that

583
00:25:57,079 --> 00:25:58,839
wasn't a factor in our grade last year. So I

584
00:25:58,839 --> 00:25:59,920
got to just meet you at the AMI.

585
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: But I want to ask you a question though, because

586
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,200
this doesn't factor into our regrade. Would you rather have

587
00:26:06,759 --> 00:26:11,880
Denny Avdia or Malcolm Brogden not expiring the number fourteen

588
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,720
pick which became bub Carrington and then that twenty twenty

589
00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:17,799
nine first, what would you rather have in a vacuum?

590
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,039
Speaker 2: What is there other protections on the first.

591
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty nine, I do not believe, so I

592
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:24,200
can double check that.

593
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:28,079
Speaker 2: Though I really like Avdia, it's weird. I was annoyed

594
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,119
that the Wizards traded him. I thought, oh, you just

595
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:31,960
why would you get rid of that guy? His contract

596
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,599
is so reasonable, we both are in the bag for him.

597
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,920
I think I still might rather have that pick and

598
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,759
the salaries of set Brogden salary that you could move.

599
00:26:44,559 --> 00:26:46,480
I think I might rather have the.

600
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: Ice side of it. So just for the details on

601
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,680
the pick, for anyone listening, I know Grant knows this.

602
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,279
It is the second most favorable of Boston, Milwaukee, or Portland,

603
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:57,960
and so I think, because it's not the most favorable,

604
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,000
I'll go with Denny Avdya. And also I've become I'm

605
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,559
probably gonna say some pretty inflammatory things about bub Carrington

606
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,640
before he ever takes the floor. But uh, I like

607
00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:11,599
the path, like his role in Washington. I'm gonna like

608
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,400
way more than if he had been in Portland, where

609
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,319
you're just not gonna have the runway to explore what

610
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,480
they can with him on the ball. So I think,

611
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,519
knowing what was available at number fourteen, in the fact

612
00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,680
that you still get the most favorable of those picks.

613
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,799
I think Denny Avvid is just amazing, and honestly, I

614
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:29,839
don't know. I thought the Wizards. I didn't love it

615
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:31,079
for them at first, but I'm kind of just like

616
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,319
we want them to be bad and like get the bike,

617
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,599
Like Denny Avida wasn't gonna be the best player on

618
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,599
a title contender, and like Portland's kind of building this

619
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,880
interesting defensive identity between him and Clingon and Jeremy Grant,

620
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,359
and you have Thiball and Toumani Kamara there like they

621
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,039
could do it. But Delano Banton still there this year

622
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:49,960
is too far into But I was just curious where

623
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,839
you landed as to what you'd rather have. Those assets

624
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:52,599
are it's.

625
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,839
Speaker 2: Bad podcasting, but I don't have a strong feeling either way.

626
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,240
Like I love Avdya, but I if you're rebuilding, I

627
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,440
like those assets too. So I mean it seems like

628
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,920
a fairly reasonable.

629
00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: Dealing onto the Utah Jazz. Yeah. So they drafted Taylor

630
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:07,720
Hendricks at number nine, speaking of me saying some pretty

631
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:10,680
spicy things. I was elated about that, Kante George at

632
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,319
number sixteen, and Bryce sends Abot number twenty eight. They

633
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,319
had the Jordan Clarkson renegotiate and extend for worth three

634
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,880
years and fifty five million. So he made twenty three

635
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,599
and a half last year and he will now make

636
00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:24,920
fourteen point one this coming season, followed by fourteen point

637
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,319
three in the final year. Uh there was They traded

638
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,480
Rudy Gay in Memphis twenty twenty six second for John Collins.

639
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,880
H he has two years left on his deal. As

640
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,480
a re record, This and nothing else the only Yeah,

641
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,559
we didn't miss anything huge, so nothing else super noteworthy.

642
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,519
If you want the transaction log, check it out on

643
00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:46,400
YouTube if you're not there already. I'm pretty Utah, I

644
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,680
gave an a and you gave an a minus. Why

645
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,599
think about those?

646
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,599
Speaker 2: Why were we so high on this? Was it just

647
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,119
the draft?

648
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: Do you know why we were so high? It was because, oh,

649
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,200
like they're clearly taking the long view and like this

650
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,319
time they're going to make sure they're bad enough that's

651
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,240
right to be a top lottery team. And John Collins

652
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:06,279
cost nothing too. It's just like, so I still don't

653
00:29:06,319 --> 00:29:08,599
even view that as a bad deal. It's just something

654
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,119
that maybe hasn't panned out ideally. But is he the

655
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:13,079
source of like why they hate Walker Kessler.

656
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 2: Now that's gonna well, you know what I heard somebody,

657
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:20,079
Now I can't remember who it was. There were like

658
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,119
intimations that Walker Kessler's a little soft. This is just

659
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,200
me repeating what someone.

660
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: Like like like his physique or no, like he's not

661
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:32,960
like I don't know, it's it's coach speak, but like

662
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,720
doesn't quite have the like killer instinct or like I'm

663
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,079
gonna smash this guy, like get over you know that

664
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:38,680
kind of thing.

665
00:29:39,079 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 2: I really it was. All I can remember is that

666
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,480
it was someone whose opinion on the Jazz I thought

667
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:46,240
was like, oh, that's a credible opinion. It might I don't.

668
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,799
I don't think it was Tony Jones. But it was

669
00:29:47,839 --> 00:29:49,519
someone where you'd say, like, Okay, that person knows what

670
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,079
they're talking about. It wasn't like some this is a

671
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,799
terrible way to like relay secondhand information. But that's not.

672
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:57,799
Speaker 1: Attributing it to anyone where it's like, oh yeah, I

673
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:58,039
was just.

674
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:00,759
Speaker 2: Out of the air. It's not my opinion because I

675
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:02,920
don't have that opinion of Walker Kessler, but it was

676
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,599
somebody who had it was in a position to know.

677
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,119
But I say that because it's like it's at the

678
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,079
time Walker, We're like, oh my god, this guy's out

679
00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:13,160
playing Rudy Gobert as a rookie and all these metrics

680
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,960
like what a great but he's going to be a cornerstone.

681
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,319
And then last year it was like, so he's not starting.

682
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: That's a word.

683
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Anyway, it offered like some explanation to

684
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,960
what seemed like an unsolvable mystery. So that that's the

685
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,240
only reason I'm saying that grade wise though, So this

686
00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:29,839
feels to me like we just kind of liked the

687
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,000
organizational direction as much as anything. And I know you

688
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,640
loved Hendrix and George I think was like a pretty

689
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,440
you know, well regarded pick at sixteen, who had a

690
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,599
lot of moments last year. I feel like we're still

691
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,119
I don't know, we're still in the range of last

692
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:48,640
year's great. I don't know if I want to move

693
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,200
it down just a touch, but yeah, I don't. There's

694
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,279
no like, there's no obvious like, oh my god, we

695
00:30:54,319 --> 00:30:55,759
need to go way lower on this team.

696
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,519
Speaker 1: I don't think, oh well, I mean it's relative to

697
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,319
their resources. Do you think everything they did with what

698
00:31:01,519 --> 00:31:03,839
was available to them. I mean, when you look at

699
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:08,440
the draft specifically, I'm still incredibly high on Taylor Hendrix,

700
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,119
and so I have questions about him on offense more

701
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,960
so than I did last year. But I think that

702
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,240
he's a better like he can he can be a

703
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:18,359
wing defender, so that I feel even better about his

704
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,799
defense for the most part. But so you take him

705
00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:24,039
at number nine, Who were you upset that they passed on?

706
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,920
Is a case in Wallace? Is it? Would you prefer

707
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,240
to them have Derek Lively? Would they even have taken him? Odds?

708
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,519
There's how my Hawks Cam Whitmore was on the board

709
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:36,319
for everybody. So I I like, I think it needs

710
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:40,279
to be moved down because I wonder if having John

711
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:42,880
Collins kind of complicated their front court rotation, Like if

712
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,079
John Collins wasn't there in retrospect, we could have more

713
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,440
information on Taylor Hendricks specifically. I think the Caanty George

714
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,079
pick is gonna end up panning out really well. I'm

715
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,519
kind of with you though, in the sense that I

716
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:54,880
guess it can't be moved down a lot. But I

717
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,559
do think it needs to be moved down just because

718
00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,119
if they they could have been spicy, like I'll give

719
00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:01,200
it a like a be a B plus. Is that

720
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,920
going to stark just because we supported the John Collins

721
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,599
trade at the time. But it's just kind of like, oh,

722
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,440
they didn't rehabilitate.

723
00:32:06,759 --> 00:32:10,279
Speaker 2: His value, right, that was the play clearly right. It's like, well,

724
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,400
we'll just get it, Like why wouldn't we get John

725
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,720
Collins for what it costs to get him? Which was

726
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,240
just like you said nothing second round or Rudy Gay

727
00:32:17,319 --> 00:32:20,599
who cares? It just didn't work out, Like he didn't

728
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,039
rehabilitate his value. I don't know that he's worth more

729
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:26,519
than that now, probably not, probably something similar.

730
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: They still But what they also did is like maybe

731
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,839
why we can't move They didn't lose the flexibility this summing.

732
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,160
They were able to renegotiate and extent lowry market in

733
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,680
which I think you could argue there wasn't a better

734
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,720
use of their cap space in a vacuum. It's well,

735
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,039
do you like the idea of having him long term

736
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:43,039
when you should be bad? So I will go to

737
00:32:43,079 --> 00:32:45,359
a B plus. I could probably be talked into a B.

738
00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:49,720
But like we our grade was never based on the

739
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,720
theory of like it might have been too, I'll say too,

740
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:55,839
based on oh, they'll be bad enough, where like they

741
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,160
have all this stuff and it's gonna come with a

742
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,400
top five draft pick.

743
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

744
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: No, they're drafting outside the top eight again.

745
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's too early to I'm still encouraged

746
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,519
by Hendricks and like the multi position defense shot. It

747
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:12,200
actually shot it well on low volume from three last year.

748
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,240
I know there were some streakiness in there. George, we'll see,

749
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:17,599
like I got a real trial by fire last year,

750
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,200
is gonna get another one. So I'm gonna go. You

751
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,000
went to A B plus. I hate to just copy you,

752
00:33:22,039 --> 00:33:24,160
but I'm not moving down quite as much. I'll go

753
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,640
B plus just the A range feels too high because

754
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,920
there's not any like I feel like you would have

755
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,400
needed some like absolute home runs, and I.

756
00:33:31,319 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: Don't feel too low, like do we demerit them a

757
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:36,799
full letter grade here? I'm not.

758
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,039
Speaker 2: I'm just moving down a little.

759
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,519
Speaker 1: You know. I thought about a B because I'm just

760
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,799
like the off season, like, looking back, it wasn't as

761
00:33:43,799 --> 00:33:45,839
spectacular as we framed it. But it's also when it's

762
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,079
relative to what's available to you, what did you Unless

763
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:52,119
your argument is will they had lowry, they renegotiated extended

764
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,079
Jordan Clarks and they trade for Collins. Why not get

765
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,160
more Windown talent in there. But I just I think

766
00:33:58,319 --> 00:33:59,599
the fact that they were able to open up so

767
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,839
much place time for Keyante George right like after the

768
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,279
start of the season worked out for them. If they're

769
00:34:05,319 --> 00:34:08,320
the thing that I lament the most on their behalf

770
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,840
is I would have liked to have seen more of

771
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,199
Taylor Hendrix last year, and I thought they were going

772
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,440
to figure out a way to do that while having

773
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:15,599
John Collins on the roster.

774
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that doesn't really affect the fact, like we're

775
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,039
just talking about they drafted the guy, not what they

776
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:21,920
did with him after the fact, I guess, although that

777
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,800
does factor into like their grade would look better if

778
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Taylor HENDRICKX had made an All Rookie team or something.

779
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 1: So I and by the way, that maybe maybe I'm

780
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,639
being salty because I predicted him to make first team

781
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:32,920
All Rookie ahead of the season.

782
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,039
Speaker 2: I still believe. I think he's got I believe.

783
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's immediate. These are regrades based off

784
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,559
what's happened so far. Next team, Golden State Warriors, mister Hughes, Yeah, all.

785
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,679
Speaker 2: Right, Well, I'm glad that I wasn't as high on

786
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,079
them as I thought. I was so I really liked

787
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,119
this offseason. Bob Myers left, that was a big deal.

788
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:54,800
Mike then leavey j Bob Myers. Huh yeah, Well, I mean, also,

789
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:57,119
don't you just want Bob Myers like in charge of

790
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:59,239
I was thinking like who should actually be president? And

791
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,840
I think I would choose Bob Myers just because whenever

792
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,320
you hear him talk, he's like so measured and such

793
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,920
a kind person and so thoughtful and really smart. Anyway,

794
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:13,400
he's he left and Mike Dunlevy took over. That at

795
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,599
the time kind of felt like, oh boy, I think

796
00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:18,400
Bob's getting out because he knows like rough days are ahead.

797
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,960
Over to some extent, that proved to be the case.

798
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:23,320
So Draymond Green also got a four year, hundred million

799
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,920
dollar contract, got a trade kicker on that drafted pods

800
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,599
at nineteen. I think that's gonna look a little better

801
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:32,440
in the rearview, sent cash to the Wizards for number

802
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,719
fifty seven. That turned into Trace Jackson Davis. Who did he?

803
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,039
Did he make an all rookie team or just mine?

804
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,639
I forget, but he was he was playing real minutes

805
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:43,320
and turned well I don't know if you know this

806
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,440
or if we talked about it, but Mike Dunlevy's brother

807
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,239
is Tjd's agent, and it seems very clear that he

808
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,440
was steered to Golden State a little bit, but hey,

809
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:54,840
you play, You've got to play the game. Jordan Poole

810
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,840
sent with a twenty seven second rounder and a twenty

811
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,400
thirty first that has just Area's top twenty protection and

812
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:05,639
becomes too second if not conveyed. That brought back Chris Paul.

813
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,159
I'm sure I recalled, thinking that made a lot of sense.

814
00:36:09,199 --> 00:36:11,840
Corey Joseph Dario Sarach on the minimum, Lester kenyonas to

815
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:13,960
a two way, and he actually played, but he's not

816
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,159
gonna be back on the team this year. So man,

817
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,519
a lot happened. You were an as I was a

818
00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:24,239
B plus, shocking that you went higher than I did.

819
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,840
Why were you so high? I wonder what I loved.

820
00:36:27,639 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 1: The CP three. Clearly I knew Trace Jackson Davis was

821
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,920
going to finish eleventh in all rookie voting. Okay, you it,

822
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,039
he was close, so I loved. But first of all,

823
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,440
I was never high on Jordan Poole and you knew that.

824
00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:42,960
So to get off of him while giving up basically

825
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,519
a fake first, Like, if you don't want that pick

826
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,719
to convey, it doesn't have to, right, That's how I

827
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,000
view it. Uh. I thought it was a home run

828
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,840
because even if CP three didn't work out, and I

829
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,320
think you could make like a different case of did

830
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,760
he work out that he not? I don't know that

831
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,920
he He certainly didn't submarine their potential. I look at this,

832
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:02,800
Do you feel worse about anything they did?

833
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:05,039
Speaker 2: No? I'm wondering why I was so low at the time,

834
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,119
Like why didn't I give this an A range grade?

835
00:37:07,159 --> 00:37:09,000
Maybe I was trying to aploy homerism.

836
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:12,079
Speaker 1: We probably didn't think that like Pods or TJD were

837
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,599
going to play actual roles at the time.

838
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,519
Speaker 2: Definitely how much the number fifty seven pick have factored

839
00:37:18,559 --> 00:37:21,199
into any grade we would have given, Like I guarantee

840
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,239
you I couldn't have picked Trace Jackson Davis out of

841
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,800
a lineup a year ago, like I wouldn't. I can't

842
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,719
believe he was a factor at all. But yeah, the

843
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,480
Pods won Maybe because Hawk wasn't Hawke has one spot

844
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:34,199
after or was he one spot before? I can't remember. Uh,

845
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:35,079
either way.

846
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: It was Hawks Hawkes was drafted, so he was drafted

847
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,920
after is that what you said, no I pick before?

848
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, yeah, I remember. Maybe I was disappointed,

849
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,840
but like, well, if he wasn't on the board, he wasn't.

850
00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: On the board.

851
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe I overrated the Bob Myers exit

852
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,280
as much as anything. I'm just trying to just figure

853
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,280
out how I was I do.

854
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,679
Speaker 1: I will say I wonder if they could have played

855
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:57,840
their hand more with Draymond Green, who claims that he

856
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,559
took like this, he's a what didn't he come what

857
00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:03,000
he did to what Jalen Brunson did, And it's like,

858
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:06,639
whoa buddy, let's uh, you need to have a market

859
00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:10,199
like to do that. And also you didn't finish fifth

860
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,239
and MVP voting the prior year and then agree to

861
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,400
take a bunch of I.

862
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: Just yeah that No, this is I mean, it's weird

863
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,679
because like last year felt like a disappointment. I guess.

864
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,800
You know, you don't make the playoffs, that's that's not

865
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,159
great when you have Steph Curry still playing. You know,

866
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,639
like ninety percent of Steph Curry didn't.

867
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,880
Speaker 1: But I will ask because I think the reason to Dingham,

868
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,480
if you're gonna ding them at all, would be why

869
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:41,719
didn't they like be more aggressive and trying to acquire

870
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,000
the guy, Like.

871
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,800
Speaker 2: Why didn't they pull off the Andrew Wigan, Well here's why.

872
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: Odds still on this team would be like why didn't

873
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,559
Siakam on this team instead of that would be And

874
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:53,320
I just don't think we we continue to run into

875
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,480
this issue with Golden State is we're telling them, no,

876
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,360
you need to make the most of Steph Curry's prime.

877
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,519
We just have no idea will help you do that?

878
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 2: They say how, and we say, you know, but you.

879
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:03,559
Speaker 1: Need to do it now.

880
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I guess I can. I'm gonna move

881
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:08,559
up to an A minus. I just don't see anything.

882
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,840
Maybe the Green contract just because he really, you know,

883
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,840
he missed a ton of the season because of suspension

884
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,639
and he's aging and blah blah blah, but like when

885
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,119
he's out there, he's still pretty close to the Draymond

886
00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:21,039
Green they need, so I don't And getting off a

887
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:23,559
Pool was huge. I mean that even looks better because

888
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,880
I don't know if you ever got on board with me,

889
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,800
but I was like, a Pool is gonna average twenty

890
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,559
eight a game and he's gonna shoot forty percent, but

891
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:30,360
it's gonna be fun.

892
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 1: You had us look up his scoring title odds.

893
00:39:33,079 --> 00:39:36,159
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he was gonna put in the biggest like

894
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,119
it would be like Lou Williams times too, just the

895
00:39:38,159 --> 00:39:42,360
biggest garbage bucket season ever. Uh, and he didn't do that.

896
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,800
It was even worse than anyone could have imagined. So

897
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,320
getting off that was huge.

898
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 1: In defense of Jordan Poole, who still does not play defense, Uh,

899
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,400
he was a lot better towards the close of last year.

900
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:53,880
They put the ball in his hands more with the

901
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,639
second unit kind of it. So there's still hope. But

902
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,599
if you're the Warriors, getting out of that deal was massive,

903
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,440
I'm gonna stick with an A minus. I guess you

904
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,960
could argue I was super high on the star at

905
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:05,920
Shinning and that ended up not factoring in as much.

906
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,159
I guess you could argue, well, why aren't you moving

907
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,400
it up when TJD and Pods were clearly better than

908
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,920
you expected. I just don't feel like CP three was

909
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,039
probably I mean, he was about what I would have expected,

910
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:19,239
but it didn't parlay the Warriors into being a good team.

911
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,719
And also, yeah, I think I probably feel worse about

912
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,880
the Draymond Green contract, not in a way of oh,

913
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,519
he can't be movable. He's not good. But like, this

914
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:29,639
dude is such a wild card, and it's like even

915
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,119
he hits threes last year, it's just like, could you

916
00:40:32,159 --> 00:40:35,000
give us like kind of a happy medium somewhere between

917
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,320
maybe not trying to choke guys out and missing a

918
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,920
whole bunch of time and then can you like maybe

919
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,480
don't shoot like randomly thirty seven percent from three, but like,

920
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,000
can you give us a few seasons of just thirty

921
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:47,199
four percent across the bus? So, but I just given

922
00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:48,960
the direction of this team where it feels like even

923
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,079
when they're trying to get guys like a Paul George

924
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:52,760
or Larry market In, they're either not going to give

925
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,519
up enough to get them or they don't have enough

926
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,239
to get them. The Draymond Green contract, especially now that

927
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,519
you've decided, oh Clay is gone, it makes you feel

928
00:40:59,519 --> 00:41:01,400
a little bit more. Aren't easier? And I mean, like,

929
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:02,920
if you want me to bump them up to an

930
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,960
A because Pods I think is really good and I

931
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,400
think I might be higher. And by the way, his

932
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,440
ability to create than like every single Warriors fan, not

933
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:12,400
every single.

934
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:13,639
Speaker 2: But like get his own shots.

935
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: You mean, yeah, like the step like he's got the

936
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,000
step back, like they're done. Let's move on.

937
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 2: I just see a few too many no chance in

938
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:25,880
hell like running hook shots out of him still, So

939
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,880
that that's gotta that's gotta turn into something else maybe, And.

940
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: Are you gonna you said you're gonna bump them up

941
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:30,880
to Ah.

942
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go a minus just because really because Pajemski

943
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,519
and and it's I guess like you got a credit

944
00:41:36,599 --> 00:41:40,119
him for Jackson Davis, like fifty seventh pick is starting

945
00:41:40,159 --> 00:41:42,360
for you at some point, and like it's looking like

946
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,280
a rotation player.

947
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 1: That's great. I will say We've said that about so

948
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:50,519
many Golden State rookies over the eric. Remember that Jordan

949
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,639
Bell was just oh my god, I can't believe it's over.

950
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,960
It's like I need to see TJ D do it again.

951
00:41:56,519 --> 00:42:01,559
Speaker 2: That's totally fair. But maybe the Pajemski exceeding expectations factor

952
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,079
offsets that and still gets.

953
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:07,159
Speaker 1: Good honestly, because nothing here like if you look at

954
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:11,159
these moves, they improve their long term flexibility by getting

955
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:14,960
rid of Jordan Poole and everything else doesn't really impact

956
00:42:15,039 --> 00:42:19,360
their long term except for Brandon Pajemski. And it's they

957
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,480
knocked that pick out of the park for number nine.

958
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:25,039
Who who's the guy that was drafted after pods that

959
00:42:25,039 --> 00:42:27,880
you would be like, oh, I mean Cam Whitmore goes

960
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,519
one after. But that's that's it.

961
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, nobody, nobody. And by the way, like I don't

962
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,000
I mean, Cam Whitmore is really exciting as a score,

963
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:37,960
but I don't think if you went league wide, it's

964
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,079
like Cam Whitmore was not the deal breaker in a

965
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:44,039
LORI Marken in trade Like that's.

966
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:47,039
Speaker 1: Honestly, they get an a what did they do wrong?

967
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,400
I'm just I'm looking at this right. I mean, it's

968
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,159
the only thing. Would why didn't you get rid of Wiggins?

969
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:53,320
And it's just what opportunity was out there? And if

970
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,079
you want to frame it as well, knowing they didn't

971
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:56,960
make the playoffs, would you rather have that first round

972
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,920
pick or like in Jordan Poole, it's like, no, that's

973
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,679
fake first round. I still I'm the Warriors. I still

974
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:03,880
have that first round pick.

975
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that's isn't it wild to up our

976
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,599
off season grades on a team that won fewer games

977
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:12,480
than the year before and didn't make the playoffs, But

978
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:13,400
it still feels right.

979
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: You would have to, Yeah, what is the Maybe we

980
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,559
were were we too high to begin with, and like

981
00:43:18,599 --> 00:43:19,760
we can't walk.

982
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: It back, But maybe that's what it is. Maybe you

983
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,920
know what that's going forward. We're still gonna go. We're

984
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:25,840
still moving up for them, but going forward we need

985
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,360
to we need to reevaluate. Like we can't just take

986
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,840
what we thought last year and either move it up

987
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,199
or down. We have to, like, first say, did what

988
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,679
we gave the did the grade we gave them last

989
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,480
year actually makes sense in the first place before we start.

990
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,199
Speaker 1: I guess if we over okay, maybe we overvalued the

991
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,800
impact CP three was gonna have. But if we undervalue

992
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,679
what Pods and tj D are going to do, it

993
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:48,480
it counters.

994
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:50,119
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not talking you out of the A.

995
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:53,159
I'm going a minus. We're both moving up. We need

996
00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:56,039
some teams to move to drop here it's coming.

997
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: Here are the Clippers speaking of dropping dropping teams? Oh,

998
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:03,039
they're my team. So they waved Eric Gordon to shave

999
00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:05,960
nine figures off their tax bill. They resigned Russell Westbrook

1000
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,400
to a two year deal using non bird rights. He

1001
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,280
had a player option. They ended up trading him. They

1002
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,880
resigned to Mason Plumley. They drafted Kobe Brown at number thirty.

1003
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,159
They drafted Jordan Miller at number forty eight, signed him

1004
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:19,599
to a two way contract. At the time, the note

1005
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,800
here is, I don't know how to We can't grade

1006
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,559
the James Harden trade because it happened during the season.

1007
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:28,480
So that's the note here, that's the move we were

1008
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,280
waiting on. That's the reason why. Oh no, we gave

1009
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,599
them a grade. So I gave him a C. You

1010
00:44:35,679 --> 00:44:39,440
gave them a C plus do you I don't know,

1011
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,840
I was. I guess the question about their offseason grade

1012
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:46,960
comes down because they didn't have the resources to just

1013
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,119
do a lot better than this. It's, oh, well, why

1014
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:52,000
didn't they use their taxpayer Anally, it's like, look who

1015
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,800
that turns into is Reggie Jackson, who you have to

1016
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,800
trade three first round picks to get off? So do

1017
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,480
you feel better if you're the Clippers? Do you think

1018
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:03,159
it would that it made sense to I mean, here's

1019
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,440
this is what's seeping into my logic, and this is

1020
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:07,679
why I think it needs to be a part of

1021
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:11,119
the logic. Paul George and Kawhi Leonard were extension eligible

1022
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:15,079
at the time. Listening back Grant we complimented the Clippers

1023
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:17,159
for not giving them extensions. It was hey, prove it.

1024
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,320
But if you knew there was a chance that you

1025
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,639
were not gonna pay Paul George because he wanted four

1026
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,559
years rather than three, why did you ever make the

1027
00:45:28,639 --> 00:45:30,039
James Harden trade? That?

1028
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,559
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm glad you got there because that's where I'm

1029
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:34,679
hung up. And now we're talking about this offseason. But

1030
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,559
like the idea that we're gonna save money by not

1031
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,519
giving Paul George this fourth year but then give seventy

1032
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:44,199
million dollars guaranteed to James Harden is just like I

1033
00:45:44,199 --> 00:45:46,880
don't know. I know where I'm cutting costs and it's

1034
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,599
not starting with Paul George just but I don't know,

1035
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,480
Like I think it's I think we were right to

1036
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,679
say you can't extend and then they did extend Kawhi,

1037
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,119
but like, you can't do this, and but Kawhi played

1038
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:02,559
sixty eight games last year, So I mean, like holding

1039
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:04,920
off made sense. I think we were right to sort

1040
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,599
of praise them for that.

1041
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,760
Speaker 1: Can I provide some push back there? Did it make sense?

1042
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:11,639
Because I think the thing that probably needs a factor

1043
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:16,719
into the grade is what concession did they avoid in

1044
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,159
the James Harden trade by waiting.

1045
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,039
Speaker 2: Oh I see, so you're well, I don't. I mean,

1046
00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:23,760
I don't know, but it made more sense.

1047
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: To it ended up like working out and okay, they

1048
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,159
they lose the first few games than they look like

1049
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,239
a contender. But it's like you could have had a

1050
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:35,000
training camp with James, like did my My whole thing is,

1051
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,800
do you think Philly walked off their asking price enough

1052
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:43,000
by the Clippers waiting to have not made the move beforehand.

1053
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,400
The answer to me is no, because based off all

1054
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,039
the reporting, it doesn't seem like the Clippers avoid it.

1055
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:50,800
They ended up having to take PJ tough with your

1056
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,880
back and had to send out Nick Patoom. Those were

1057
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,800
two things we know that they didn't want to do.

1058
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,320
They got to keep Terrence Man. I think it's the

1059
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,000
big one where it's okay, we got to keep Terrence Man.

1060
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:04,239
So maybe that's a case for this being a lateral whatever.

1061
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,039
But like they still continue for a lot of the

1062
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:09,519
time like to like not I don't want to say

1063
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,920
not value turnspan, but he's not like he was never

1064
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:14,840
like centrally utilized. I guess the season goes on, sure,

1065
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,039
So I I'm struggling with this. I don't know what

1066
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:19,800
to do.

1067
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,079
Speaker 2: With Are you saying or is your argument that they

1068
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,880
should have if they were gonna do the James Harden trade,

1069
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,760
that they should have done it in the off season?

1070
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: Yes? And then why are you bringing back Russell Westbrook?

1071
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:30,840
Is the other one?

1072
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 2: If isn't the better argument just don't do that? Like

1073
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:36,440
are they better off if they just don't do that?

1074
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:37,239
If that's like, we.

1075
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,159
Speaker 1: Can't can't factor into the grade because they didn't do that.

1076
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,119
But I'm not gonna give them a positive grade for

1077
00:47:42,159 --> 00:47:44,599
not doing it just to do it. But You're also

1078
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:49,039
you're also considering, like should they You're also grading them

1079
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,559
on something they didn't do, which is trade for James

1080
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:52,880
Harden before the season start.

1081
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 2: I don't, I can. I can see why this is

1082
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,360
still thorny. Here's where I land based on what they

1083
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,199
actually did. I have them at a C plug us.

1084
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,760
I don't feel like, in hindsight, the moves they made

1085
00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:07,280
warrant an above average grade. So I'm gonna just go

1086
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,320
down to a sea which I feel like acknowledges their

1087
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:15,239
lack of flexibility and and just better reflects. You know,

1088
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,320
they didn't make any great moves. They didn't make anything

1089
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,599
that any moves that killed them, and I don't know

1090
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:22,320
what to do with the James Harden things, So I'm

1091
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,079
just moving down slightly to reflect I just I don't

1092
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:27,679
see a reason to say this was an above average offseason.

1093
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to just go to a

1094
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,280
C minus because I thought that, like they traded for

1095
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,440
him November first, it wasn't like they waited until January.

1096
00:48:37,159 --> 00:48:38,480
So it's like, if you were just gonna go and

1097
00:48:38,559 --> 00:48:42,360
turn around and do that, why not do it earlier

1098
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,199
so that you can get him to go through a

1099
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,880
training camp. I recognize that I can't move them down

1100
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:50,199
because we're getting into too many theoreticals there and there

1101
00:48:50,199 --> 00:48:52,119
weren't they didn't by waiting. I will say, I don't

1102
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,679
think they missed out on other opportunities, but I think

1103
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,320
they obviously had enough intel that well that really should

1104
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,960
have factored into the way that you were viewing the

1105
00:48:59,039 --> 00:49:03,400
Russell Westbrooks stuff specifically, And I don't know, like and

1106
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,280
if you were gonna make the James Harden trade, which

1107
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,039
you were prepared to make, I do think you should

1108
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,440
have been more married to I know we're getting into

1109
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,800
now this offseason, but you don't trade or get involved

1110
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,719
in the James Harden trade sweepstakes to be like, well,

1111
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:16,639
this will help offset it when we decide to not

1112
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:19,119
pay Paul George like, yeah, you have to map out

1113
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:20,960
all these scenarios. And so I think they did a

1114
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:25,039
poor job of planning long term here, or they didn't

1115
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,679
get enough out of their sort of long term planning

1116
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,960
or whatever stance they drew during the off season. So

1117
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,519
I'm gonna bump them down to a C minus. But

1118
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:35,239
I easily think if I was willing to just contradict

1119
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:37,880
myself even more than I do normally, that I could

1120
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,840
be talking like a d or an f bro. Yeah.

1121
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 2: I guess, like what really is sort of crystallizing as

1122
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,800
we're talking about this is they miscalculated in thinking that

1123
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,079
if we wait a little bit, we're gonna be able

1124
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:53,159
to get James Harden for less, because he's gonna make

1125
00:49:53,199 --> 00:49:56,639
it so impossible to exist in Philadelphia that eventually the

1126
00:49:56,679 --> 00:49:59,000
Sixers will just have to take less. It doesn't really

1127
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,119
seem like that happen. It's just he costs what he costs.

1128
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:04,320
Philly got a decent and Philly's eyes got a great

1129
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,880
return for a guy that wasn't gonna help him and

1130
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,280
didn't want to be there, But the Clippers didn't get

1131
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:11,119
a better deal necessarily by waiting. So to your point,

1132
00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:14,440
just do it. But like it is a reasonable gambit

1133
00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:17,320
to say, like it's gonna be so untenable in Philly

1134
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,599
if we wait into the season that we will be

1135
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:21,280
able to get him for lesson that they were just

1136
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:21,880
wrong about it.

1137
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: I'll leave it at a sea then, But because I

1138
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,800
think the only way that you could look at it

1139
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:29,239
positively for my end is if the difference was Philly

1140
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,920
wanted Terrence Man until the season started, like insisting on

1141
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,920
Terrence Man and Terrence Man, then you know what, that's

1142
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,400
technically a bonus. So I'll stick with a se because

1143
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:42,000
I do still think that's not a move you make

1144
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,679
without having this big picture logic in place. And if

1145
00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:47,840
you you already knew it was on shaky footing because

1146
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,320
you didn't extend to Paul George, It's like that was

1147
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,599
already kind of unfolding, and yet you went and did

1148
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:56,280
this anyway, you know what I mean? So Ill, that's

1149
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,559
as high as I'm going. You can't know I wasn't

1150
00:50:58,599 --> 00:50:59,920
trying to sway you one way or the other. Was

1151
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:01,519
trying to make this make sense for me.

1152
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 2: All right. The Lakers are next, They're one of my teams.

1153
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,840
Signed Anthony Davis to a three year on hundred and

1154
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,320
seventy seven million extension. He's got a player option on

1155
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:11,239
the last year that deal in twenty seven to twenty eight,

1156
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,519
gave Vincent three years thirty three, got Austin Reeves back

1157
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,960
four years fifty three point eight million, which there was

1158
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,360
talk of it being like like two x that or

1159
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,760
like some ridiculously higher number. Ru Hachimura back three years

1160
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:29,920
fifty one, D'Angel Russell back two years thirty six. Essentially

1161
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,960
got a player option and like basically at the time,

1162
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,639
seemed like he was re signed to be traded because

1163
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:38,519
he waived his implied no trade clause. Torrian Prince one year,

1164
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,960
four and a half million, Jackson Hayes two years minimum,

1165
00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:43,079
Cam Reddish two year minimum.

1166
00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: Both these players are back as of right now, so

1167
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,679
those player options are important.

1168
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, right. Jalen Hutzefino was the pick at seventeen. We

1169
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,320
just talked about Pods at nineteen and Hawkes at eighteen,

1170
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:53,480
so that will be a factor.

1171
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, Moore at twenty, right, was he twenty.

1172
00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:59,280
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, oh yeah, right, yeah, just throw a dart

1173
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:00,840
at the next three pit it would have been better.

1174
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,039
I'm not I refuse to read the mojave King Maxwell.

1175
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,039
Speaker 1: You're again you're not supposed to. You've been going away

1176
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:11,159
into more detail than I think.

1177
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,119
Speaker 2: I just want to be thorough before because this is

1178
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,800
we gave this team a high grade and and I mean,

1179
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:16,760
I don't know what to do with it.

1180
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:20,079
Speaker 1: But yeah, I so listening back, I was wondering just

1181
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:22,360
what exactly we were smoking. A lot of it was

1182
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:25,519
it was Reeves. It was Reeves, and gave Vincent pipe.

1183
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:30,840
So I don't they can't predict, like gave Vincent not

1184
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,840
really playing like you know, that's not so I don't

1185
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,199
view that. I was on them, and I still think

1186
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:37,639
that Dio could end up being fine. Yah, they missed

1187
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,440
on the draft pick. And then the fact that they

1188
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:44,679
kind of just like didn't even like I guess the signings,

1189
00:52:44,679 --> 00:52:47,039
the minimum signings, don't they they're not even factor guys,

1190
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:49,079
and so like those we were probably pretty like, oh

1191
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:51,519
they took a gamble on Jackson Hayes. Okay, that's that's fine.

1192
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:53,280
I thought Torrian Prince was going to be good for them.

1193
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,599
I don't know if they used him properly. Lakers fans

1194
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:58,320
ended up hating him as well. He's like kind of

1195
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,280
three in D but goes through these stretches where he

1196
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,800
doesn't provide either right, And I just I you would

1197
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,199
have to look back and say, well, what else were

1198
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:08,199
they supposed to do? And I think you could very

1199
00:53:08,199 --> 00:53:10,320
easily say, well, they should have fucking drafted better.

1200
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,760
Speaker 2: Sure that's that, and then it's a criticism. I don't

1201
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,960
know if it's a criticism, but it's an issue that persists,

1202
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,960
which is, couldn't you have taken a swing for a

1203
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,280
third star? You've got these two top end guys, Like

1204
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,119
I don't know how much that factored in. I don't

1205
00:53:24,159 --> 00:53:27,119
remember what I thought. For me. I'm this has to

1206
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,639
be a worst grade because Reeves now feels like he's

1207
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:33,079
maybe properly valued at four years and fifty three, and

1208
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:34,760
I thought that was a heist at the time. And

1209
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,480
then the hood pick is a miss?

1210
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:38,199
Speaker 1: What did Austin Reeves do to you? I still think

1211
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,679
that deal is like in the good, but it's not like, oh,

1212
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,599
he's making half of what I thought he should make.

1213
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,519
You know, it's it's closer to proper value than in

1214
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:47,400
the underpay I thought it was. I do think also

1215
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:49,480
a miss because that was also part of our calculation

1216
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,679
is we just assumed that they were going to trade

1217
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,400
d even if it wasn't for a third star. It's like, Okay,

1218
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:57,039
you have this guy, you signed him, so you could

1219
00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:00,000
only trade him, and now you so far they've passed

1220
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:03,199
on trading him twice like two contract cycles, because it's oh,

1221
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:04,880
you kept him through that year and then he picks

1222
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,880
up his player option and as a right we're recording this,

1223
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,920
he's still on the roster. So I'm gonna drop them

1224
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,960
down because they still The Ruey Hochimore deal's fine. I

1225
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,599
didn't love it at the time. I still technically don't

1226
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:16,239
love it now, but I recognize he's a part of

1227
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,800
some of their best lineups. I like, to me, the

1228
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,400
Vintent deal is fine, the Antiy Davis extension is good.

1229
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,800
The Reeves deal still in the green. I'll go with

1230
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:28,079
a C minus. But like, they're very close to being

1231
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,639
in between the draft and the d LO Miss Reid, Uh,

1232
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:33,480
they're very close to being in the d territory.

1233
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:35,519
Speaker 2: So you're going from an A minus to a C

1234
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,159
minus that that's got to be our biggest drop so far.

1235
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: It's probably like one of our biggest drops of all time.

1236
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:42,920
And it's fitting. It makes sense when you look at

1237
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:45,599
the Lakers' front office when it comes to like normally

1238
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,280
they're pretty good at like finding players to develop on

1239
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,320
their own. Like the jonhu Fino stuff was a mega miss.

1240
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,719
Speaker 2: That was a big miss. I mean, like the biggest

1241
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,280
business they did was getting I mean, but then like

1242
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,079
how much credit do you give them for Hey, Anthony Davis,

1243
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,280
do you want the most we can possibly pay you?

1244
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:02,039
And he says yes.

1245
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I said it was fine. That's that's

1246
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,079
a sea or a C plus move.

1247
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: Like it's not right, like should it even be a factor,

1248
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:10,960
like just because like of course they offered it, of

1249
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,800
course he took it. Like next there, I don't know.

1250
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,159
Speaker 1: What I will say is and we did actually talk

1251
00:55:17,159 --> 00:55:20,119
about this too, is the fact that they he's accepted

1252
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,119
it then, and so you got him for three rather

1253
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,639
than having to go out for four this summer where

1254
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:26,719
it's oh, then he's a year older, yeah, and we

1255
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,119
have to give a player option when he's a year

1256
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:30,960
older than that. I actually think that that ends up

1257
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,440
being better for the Lakers in terms of their flexibility.

1258
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I just don't. I can't get all the

1259
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,400
way down to a below average just because I'm going

1260
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,079
to go down to just a flat sea because there

1261
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:45,320
were some good moves and then like the hooche Fino

1262
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,119
pick was really bad and like nobody else that they

1263
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:51,000
really got on a minimum ended up. Matt. Yeah, it's

1264
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:52,920
it's a big drop, but it's still I'm not I'm

1265
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,400
not gonna say it was like an overall below average performance.

1266
00:55:56,679 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm honestly in retros. I just can't believe how unbare

1267
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,800
horribly high. Well, I understand it, though, I really, I'm

1268
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,320
sure that I just because I really thought, wasn't it

1269
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,280
like why don't the Spurs poison pill it?

1270
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 2: Like they gotta go get Reeves and just maybe make

1271
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,360
the Lakers will have no choice to but to match.

1272
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:17,320
Speaker 1: Still, honestly, if that's that's the argument of why are

1273
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,199
you giving the mumblow average rate? I still think I

1274
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,960
apparently way higher on that deal than you are. I

1275
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,320
guess if you're looking at this summer's market, But he

1276
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,840
wasn't in this summer's market. He was in last summer's market. YEA,

1277
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,320
So the Phoenix Suns. They're my team. They fire Money

1278
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,559
Williams brought in from Rogel. They traded CP three Landry

1279
00:56:34,559 --> 00:56:38,239
Shammitt for first round swaps and four second round picks

1280
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:41,360
for Bradley Beal, Jordan Goodwin and Isaiah Todd. They then

1281
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,199
traded I'm not going through the horror cooxing of of

1282
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,079
all the first round. They then horror coxed all these

1283
00:56:46,079 --> 00:56:48,559
different swaps on swaps. And you could swap the swaps

1284
00:56:48,599 --> 00:56:50,480
for the swaps that have not been swapped yet, but

1285
00:56:50,559 --> 00:56:53,360
future swaps compared to pass swaps might have different value

1286
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,400
relative to the swaps in the quantum realm. So they

1287
00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:00,239
did all that. They signed WE and I was to

1288
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,280
like my we, not my credit. But to be fair

1289
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,760
to you, I was sipping the kool aid on their

1290
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,800
minimum deals more than you were. Eric Gordon, Josha Kogi,

1291
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:11,000
Kita bhg Up You Tawanton, Abby, Drew You Banks and

1292
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:13,320
Damian Lee all got two year minimum deals with player

1293
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,360
options on year two. They signed a bull Bull. They

1294
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,800
signed him as they METU to one year minimums. They

1295
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,800
drafted to Moni Kamara at number fifty seven, then signed

1296
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,480
him at the time because the timeline guys had told

1297
00:57:25,519 --> 00:57:27,199
me to go look at him more. I was in

1298
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:30,239
love with him. But we graded their offseason grant before

1299
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:34,199
they made the trade with Tamani Kamara and DeAndre Ayton.

1300
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:36,719
They end up sending they sent out in that deal

1301
00:57:37,199 --> 00:57:40,639
uh DeAndre and Toomani Kamara for Grayson Allen Keon Johnson,

1302
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,920
sir little and use of Nurkic. That is like, well,

1303
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,840
before we get into the grades, what would you would

1304
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,119
you rather have eight and in Tamani Kamara or just

1305
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:53,360
knowing what how well use of Nurkic played defensively last year,

1306
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:55,639
knowing how much the vibes were off with eight and

1307
00:57:55,679 --> 00:57:58,360
it felt like and then just what I said, what

1308
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,360
Grayson Allen? Like, what Grayson Allen did? Do you prefer like?

1309
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,159
But we didn't grade. That deal was not part of

1310
00:58:04,159 --> 00:58:07,079
our grade. So it's just what like, now that we're

1311
00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:08,920
sort of a year removed from it, how do you

1312
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:11,159
puzzle that out?

1313
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 2: I think I'd I would rather have the Sun's side

1314
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:17,400
of it, which means I'd rather have basically just Alan

1315
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:20,599
and Nurkic as opposed to Ayton and Kamara, just because

1316
00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:24,960
Aden's deals bigger. I just I don't it's hard for

1317
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,440
me to imagine that Ayton could have continued to like

1318
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,559
be on the Suns just based on years of what

1319
00:58:30,679 --> 00:58:32,480
we're kind of sick of this guy type of stuff.

1320
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:36,800
But I really like Kamara. I think I think Allen

1321
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,880
has such a premium skill as a shooter, and Nurkic

1322
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:41,719
was just so much better than I thought that I

1323
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,639
think I'd rather have those two guys as the headliners.

1324
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: You come with you, but for what this team actually needs,

1325
00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:49,039
and I know they need Grayson Allen's three point volume,

1326
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,039
but that's also part of the problem for me, where

1327
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,719
it's like, well you have Bradley, Devin and Devin Rant,

1328
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,639
you shouldn't. And that's what I'm struggling with this grade too,

1329
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,320
is in a vacuum. If you have a problem with

1330
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,199
the Bradley Beal tr you actually have a problem with

1331
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:03,639
the Kevin Durant trade because the assets that were available

1332
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:04,960
to the Suns, they were never going to get a

1333
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,800
better player in the vacuum than Bradley Beal at the time.

1334
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,679
But and we said it didn't matter that they didn't

1335
00:59:10,679 --> 00:59:13,559
need a game manager, it turns out they might have.

1336
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,960
And then they signed two of them over this offseason.

1337
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,119
Speaker 2: They signed the two game managers. They signed me.

1338
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:23,639
Speaker 1: Game managers, not game the game managers, so that doesn't

1339
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:26,800
pan out. I think Bradley Beal was fine for me.

1340
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,280
I just don't like, you know, I'm not any higher

1341
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,719
or lower. I'm probably lower on his addition, but I

1342
00:59:34,719 --> 00:59:36,639
do think he made he really tried to make an

1343
00:59:36,679 --> 00:59:38,880
attempt to adapt and if they stringed together even more

1344
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,960
performances where there's maybe not as choppy availability to start

1345
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,199
the season from him. But we also we just we

1346
00:59:45,199 --> 00:59:47,360
were way too high on their minimums because that factory

1347
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,159
into my grade, so that has to come back, and

1348
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:52,079
we dismissed this idea that you know, I don't think

1349
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,159
getting rid of campaign is still not something like you

1350
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:57,519
as sort of unforgivable. But at the same time, it's, oh,

1351
00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:00,239
they clearly they punted on having a floor general, and

1352
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,960
it turns out they actually needed one. However, if we're

1353
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:04,880
saying that they got the better end of the trade

1354
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,679
like the port like that trade with Portland and Milwaukee, uh,

1355
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,559
I don't. I don't know what we gave them. A's right.

1356
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:14,440
I don't think they can get an A now based

1357
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:15,719
off how last season unfolded.

1358
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,119
Speaker 2: I feel like I need to really recalibrate here because

1359
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:20,960
I like, in my heart of hearts, I just hate

1360
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,639
I hate the Bradley Beal deal. I hate how much

1361
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:26,800
it costs to get him. I still think he's he's

1362
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,400
a duplicative player. I hate their the current position they're in,

1363
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:34,360
which this past offseason went a long way toward, you know,

1364
01:00:34,559 --> 01:00:38,400
confining them to They have since fired Frank Vogel and

1365
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,760
hired someone else to go the team right, and that

1366
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,719
the trade. It's again, I did say I prefer the

1367
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:47,800
Sun's side of it, but it's like it's close. It's

1368
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,599
a it's an argument for sure, just because Kamara is like,

1369
01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,920
oh that guy should be your fifth closer or whatever

1370
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:56,239
with with this version of the Suns, I'm gonna and

1371
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,320
the minimums. This is a lesson I think I'm gonna take.

1372
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,599
Is I am I gonna stop overvaluing like, oh my god,

1373
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:06,519
they got a seven million dollar player for two like

1374
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:10,119
that stuff just doesn't matter that much. I was wrong

1375
01:01:10,159 --> 01:01:13,599
in thinking they deserve such a high grade for getting Gordon,

1376
01:01:13,639 --> 01:01:16,760
A Kogi, KBD, all these guys for nothing, because they

1377
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,000
just didn't end up mattering that much. Maybe Gordon a

1378
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:21,800
little bit so I'm gonna go I had a flat A.

1379
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,960
I'm shocked to see I was higher than you.

1380
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 1: I was shocked to see that too, because I just,

1381
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:29,119
I don't mean you must have swayed me on the

1382
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:31,239
Beal thing, because it is a good argument that like

1383
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,920
you're already kind of pot committed, you got Kevin Durant,

1384
01:01:33,960 --> 01:01:34,559
you've given up.

1385
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 2: All this stuff, like why not more? Well, I think you, Yeah,

1386
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:41,679
I'm going I'm gonna go down to I just I'm

1387
01:01:41,679 --> 01:01:43,960
gonna go down to a C. Have I given a

1388
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:47,039
D yet? I'm going down to a D plus because

1389
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:50,159
I think last offseason went a long way toward putting

1390
01:01:50,159 --> 01:01:53,960
the Suns in a position that, in fact, no team

1391
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:57,559
wants to be in, contrary to what Mattieshbia says. So

1392
01:01:58,039 --> 01:02:00,920
uh yeah, I'm going way, way, way, way way down

1393
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:01,800
to a D plus.

1394
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,039
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop them down to a D. Just the

1395
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:06,599
difference in the t it's the Frank Vogel stuff was

1396
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:10,039
a misread. And the other thing too is you can

1397
01:02:10,079 --> 01:02:13,199
still argue that Bradley Beal's the Bradley Beal trade is

1398
01:02:13,239 --> 01:02:16,039
not the one that put the Suns in this shortened window.

1399
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:18,840
But to now just lose control over all of your

1400
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,480
first round picks until technically twenty and thirty one they

1401
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:24,880
could then they'll probably still move that one. It was

1402
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,320
a like, you're looking at this team and it's you

1403
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,719
could also argue, have they kept CP three or done

1404
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,280
something like would this team have been better last year

1405
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,199
with CP three instead of Bradley Beal.

1406
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 2: Or just somebody else that they could have traded CP

1407
01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:39,280
three and like some of those swaps or whatever for.

1408
01:02:39,239 --> 01:02:42,719
Speaker 1: That over Bradley, but he ended up getting injured. So

1409
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,119
I just the thing was Bradney Beal had the no

1410
01:02:45,199 --> 01:02:47,199
trade clause, which is why he was available to them,

1411
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:49,800
But now you've saddled yourself with that same no trade clause.

1412
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. Just The last thing I'll say

1413
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:55,840
is like if if you view the Suns as being

1414
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:59,559
in jail basically and having no outs, like this passed

1415
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:02,679
offseason and went a long way toward putting them there.

1416
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,079
So yeah, man, what a drop for both those.

1417
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,559
Speaker 1: So plus you said, right, I don't know why I'm bust.

1418
01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:11,079
We need to like we're going to regrade the regrades

1419
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:13,480
in a couple in a couple of years. Your favorite

1420
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,719
to this is everyone in the comments actually an alert.

1421
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:18,440
It's Grant talking about that. Oh wait, in your king's mind. No,

1422
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:19,239
the Kings are yours.

1423
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,159
Speaker 2: Okay, that's how we set it up, I'm sure are

1424
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:24,079
Harrison Barnes came back on a three year, fifty four

1425
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:24,880
million dollars deal.

1426
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:25,559
Speaker 1: Uh.

1427
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,639
Speaker 2: Sasha Vazenkov three years, twenty million. I had a team

1428
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:32,280
option on that. Trey Lyles back two year sixteen. The

1429
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,119
draft stuff seems mostly inconsequential here, unless you want to

1430
01:03:36,599 --> 01:03:39,320
vamp on it. Gave up number twenty four and Rashaun

1431
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:43,119
Holmes to Dallas for cash. Traded the MAVs twenty eight

1432
01:03:43,199 --> 01:03:48,840
and a twenty thirty for Chris Duarte boyd wow. Okay,

1433
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,480
the big one here, renegotiated and extended demonis of Bonus

1434
01:03:52,719 --> 01:03:55,079
four years, one hundred and eighty six million, goes through

1435
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:58,039
his age thirty two season, no options, so basically becomes

1436
01:03:58,039 --> 01:04:00,239
a five year, two hundred and fourteen point eight million

1437
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:03,800
dollar contract. Alex landback uh oh ke On Ellis on

1438
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,840
a two way. There's there's some there's some positive.

1439
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a yeah. That that that's a hashtag

1440
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:13,280
home run. We were deep, you went we ball. We

1441
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:14,880
both gave deep. I thought you gave an f for

1442
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:19,440
some reason. So the stuff to relitigate is the Barnes

1443
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,920
deal I ended up being too high on, but you

1444
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,199
ended up being able to use him to get DeMar

1445
01:04:24,239 --> 01:04:26,480
DeRos in. It's not like you had to give up

1446
01:04:26,519 --> 01:04:28,679
a ton of compensation, like yeah, okay, the twenty thirty

1447
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:30,599
one spot. But even if it was a different salary

1448
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:35,840
filler than Barnes. But here's my thing is, we gave

1449
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,400
d pluses and I think, by and large, with the

1450
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,280
exception of Keon Ellis and Trey Lyles, was fine. Like

1451
01:04:41,559 --> 01:04:44,960
most of this stuff played out worse yep. And the

1452
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:49,280
I think the ke On Allis that's a positive for sure. Uh.

1453
01:04:49,559 --> 01:04:54,079
The Demonta Sabonis renegotiating extension, it's I still didn't understand

1454
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:56,280
the reason to do it, and I don't now. And

1455
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,440
the only argument you could make, which is not necessarily

1456
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,119
one of the favorites, well, okay, it means that he's

1457
01:05:01,159 --> 01:05:03,519
under contract for four more years as of right now,

1458
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,320
rather than five, and maybe you don't want to pay

1459
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:07,599
him that far out. You didn't save a ton of

1460
01:05:07,639 --> 01:05:11,079
money per year his salary because of how he signs

1461
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,559
his extension. It's like twenty eight percent of the cap

1462
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:15,800
versus it would have been thirty. So like, you don't

1463
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,440
get to sell me on that. What they saved two

1464
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:20,639
percent of the salary cap. So I still would not

1465
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:21,920
have done it. I would have forced him to go

1466
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:24,559
in the market. And if they had to max him

1467
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:26,800
because there was another offer out there, then so be it.

1468
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:28,639
I get they were worried about losing him, so I said,

1469
01:05:28,639 --> 01:05:30,840
I understood the logic. I just didn't agree with it.

1470
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,559
I'm still there now. I think he's a hell of

1471
01:05:33,599 --> 01:05:35,719
a player. But if you were gonna, you could have

1472
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:38,960
had cap space and you could have just made done

1473
01:05:39,119 --> 01:05:42,039
some move. And I even if you thought nothing else

1474
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:45,079
was available to them, I am patently against putting yourself

1475
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,400
in a position to where you gave up a first

1476
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,119
round pick to facilitate the flexibility that turned out to

1477
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:54,199
be I'm not saying just a bonus, but this offseason

1478
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:57,280
so and I know it turned into Omax who didn't

1479
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,400
do anything in Dallas, Like, I totally get it, but

1480
01:06:00,159 --> 01:06:02,960
I don't view this. I probably view it the same

1481
01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,199
because of Keon Allis and what you're you were able

1482
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,400
to do with Harrison Barnes. So I also just think

1483
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:11,440
became an unfair scapegoat in Sacramento. And it's just like

1484
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:13,519
what they were asking him to do defensively is like

1485
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,719
Harrison Barnes shouldn't be doing those things defensively in the

1486
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,960
year twenty twenty four. So and just like the Chris

1487
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,719
Duarte trade was a fucking miss, like you give up

1488
01:06:21,719 --> 01:06:25,159
those two Dallas seconds for I just and again he

1489
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:27,639
was part of the demo Demartin Rose inside in trade too.

1490
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,639
Speaker 2: I think Vzhenkov was a miss, a minor miss, but

1491
01:06:30,639 --> 01:06:32,400
it's still a miss, like not on the team anymore.

1492
01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:35,719
Speaker 1: Maybe lucky they didn't have to like go through the drop.

1493
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:37,440
I guess they were going through there. He ended up

1494
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:39,760
requesting a trade. That's a miss. Yeah, you could use

1495
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,639
that money, try to use that money on someone else.

1496
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 2: So it just the Elis move is you know that

1497
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:49,360
guy's gonna really matter for this team this season, and

1498
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,039
we're talking about last year and he did matter last season.

1499
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,400
Just could guard energetic, Like they just provides things that

1500
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,079
they don't get from other players at the position, especially

1501
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:01,400
now Davion Mitchell's gone. But the Sabonis thing, it's the

1502
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,880
same argument I made fifteen times. It's just like maybe,

1503
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:07,800
and maybe I'm wrong about the type of team the

1504
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,880
Kings wanna be, but I assumed that last year there

1505
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,039
was let's talk, let's step forward, let's like, let's level up,

1506
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:16,880
let's be a better team than we've been. And Sabonis

1507
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:19,440
is just not the player that can help them do that,

1508
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,840
just because of all of his limitations defensively as a spacer,

1509
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,159
all that stuff said at a million times, so to

1510
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:30,920
just basically cement him as a cornerstone piece, I thought,

1511
01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:33,159
just put a top on how good you can be.

1512
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:35,320
And oh guess what, they were pretty much the same

1513
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,599
last year as they were the year before. And I

1514
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:39,199
don't see a reason to believe that they're going to

1515
01:07:39,239 --> 01:07:41,840
take that step forward next year. That's not all on Sabonis.

1516
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:43,480
A lot of it is on the misses we just

1517
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:46,880
talked about. But I do think you're just it feels

1518
01:07:47,199 --> 01:07:52,000
weirdly unambitious, like or detrimentally unambitious to say we're gonna

1519
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,840
make this guy a two hundred fifty million dollars player.

1520
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,599
It's going to foreclose on all this other opportunity potentially

1521
01:07:56,639 --> 01:07:58,920
to get different types of guys around Fox, around Monk,

1522
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,960
around Rosen. Now, so I D plus is a really

1523
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,199
bad grade. So I'm just gonna stay at a D

1524
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,440
plus because I this kind of went how I thought

1525
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,000
it would go a year ago.

1526
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,119
Speaker 1: I'm probably higher on you about them taking a step

1527
01:08:12,159 --> 01:08:14,360
forward next season, which I think the demart Rosen fit

1528
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:17,319
is more of a feature for what they needed than

1529
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,279
a potential bug as a lot of people view it.

1530
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,520
But I'm sticking with the D plus too. I mean,

1531
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,720
the the key it's basically key on ellis saving them right.

1532
01:08:25,800 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't outweigh all the other stuff. It's it's nice,

1533
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,439
but it's like it's just a little tiny It's a

1534
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,239
grain of sand on the scale and you got like

1535
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:36,239
a metric ton of shit on the other side. It

1536
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:37,399
doesn't it doesn't really help.

1537
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I just maybe I would have felt differently.

1538
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,840
It's the only reason that even like this, the bonus

1539
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:44,640
renegotiating extent, as I mentioned, is that like, oh, it

1540
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:48,479
shaves one fewer year of the commitment offen. It's you're saying,

1541
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,600
the reason it's good is because you don't have to

1542
01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:53,119
have him for as long. That's That's my point though,

1543
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:55,680
is like if you're otherwise, you could just say, well,

1544
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,199
they didn't they weren't going to be able to use

1545
01:08:57,239 --> 01:09:00,920
that space on like someone else. Then I like I

1546
01:09:01,039 --> 01:09:04,159
get it, but like I also disagree, Like there's just

1547
01:09:04,199 --> 01:09:06,000
other players in them, Like you didn't have to like

1548
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:09,640
go after Vazankov, which he was the room exception for them, right,

1549
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:11,479
So it's just like you could have used that to

1550
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,920
funnel it elsewhere. Uh, And I just if you're I'm

1551
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,960
against that frame it this way, don't I think we're

1552
01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:20,600
attaching it too much. The Sabona stuff is if you

1553
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:22,600
had to trade a first round pick that could maybe

1554
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,079
have been objectively used to acquire a player rather than flexibility,

1555
01:09:26,239 --> 01:09:29,079
your off season needs to be better than this. And

1556
01:09:29,119 --> 01:09:31,720
it also prevented you from then going out on the

1557
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,760
trade market and doing something mid season. And that's also

1558
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:38,319
like you could ding the Kings. You called it detrimentally unambitious.

1559
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,000
I think the most the kindest way to put it

1560
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,319
be weirdly unambitious because they didn't even make a move

1561
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:43,479
in the middle of the season where it's like, why

1562
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:45,960
weren't you the Royce O'Neill team for what he calls

1563
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,039
And so now they were aggressive with the Martin Rosen

1564
01:09:48,119 --> 01:09:51,920
So this offseason will be fascinating, but in retrospect, like

1565
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:54,319
they had, we thought they had a pretty bad offseason,

1566
01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:55,399
and it turns out that we were right.

1567
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we nailed it on to the Dallas Mavericks.

1568
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: They did a whole bunch, resign Kyrie Irving for three years,

1569
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,800
one hundred and twenty million, the player option on that

1570
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:06,239
final year when he'll be entering his age thirty three season,

1571
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:08,880
traded the pick that became Case and Wallace along with

1572
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:12,640
Damas Bertons to Oka See for Derek Lively. It created

1573
01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:14,720
also a seventy million dollars traded player exception, so they

1574
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,720
got Lively and a massive trade exception that they helped

1575
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,640
us to take on Rashaan Holmes. To get number twenty

1576
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:22,960
four O Lvia Maxen's prosper they resigned Dwight Powell to

1577
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,079
a three year, twelve million dollar deal with a player option.

1578
01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:27,800
For some reason, they traded Reggie Block in the twenty

1579
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,920
thirty first round swap to San Antonio and a twenty

1580
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:34,319
twenty five conditional second and a two thousand and thirty

1581
01:10:34,319 --> 01:10:36,560
second rounder to Boston for Grant Williams, who signed a

1582
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,319
four year, fifty three point three million dollar deal, with

1583
01:10:39,399 --> 01:10:42,439
no options. They signed Seth Curry two years eight million dollars.

1584
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,800
The final year is non guaranteed. Signed don Te Exhum

1585
01:10:45,119 --> 01:10:48,520
two years six point two million, second year was non guaranteed.

1586
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,439
He's still on the team, and they signed Derek Jones Junior,

1587
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,560
who ended up turning out pretty well for them. This

1588
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,439
is I was actually shocked that we were as high

1589
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,119
as we were on this season in real times, in

1590
01:11:00,159 --> 01:11:02,199
real time, but they get they get an A. I

1591
01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:05,960
don't think the Grant Williams business for me in retrospect

1592
01:11:06,079 --> 01:11:08,880
is like, oh, okay, that went super poorly, but if

1593
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:10,199
you even framed it as well, we had to give

1594
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:13,119
up this first round swap plus the first round pick

1595
01:11:13,359 --> 01:11:16,760
to get PJ. Washington, like you were making that trade.

1596
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,680
I actually I might stick with an A minus because

1597
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,039
I just don't understand why Dwight Powell has a player option.

1598
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,600
But like they hit on Derek Jones Junior, they hit

1599
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,000
on Dante Exum. They somehow like they got the best

1600
01:11:28,039 --> 01:11:30,439
player in the OKC deal well like getting rid of

1601
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,479
the worst player. And though it's just.

1602
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 2: It so for me, I was also surprised because maybe

1603
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,279
maybe by this point because I catastrophized about the Kyrie

1604
01:11:41,319 --> 01:11:43,359
Irving trade just because like, oh my god, if if

1605
01:11:43,359 --> 01:11:45,720
he's the same guy, then they're gonna lose Luca because

1606
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:47,840
he's gonna hate this and ask out when the MAVs

1607
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:49,920
aren't good and Kyrie's like not on the you know,

1608
01:11:50,039 --> 01:11:53,720
not around. Uh So I had a B plus and

1609
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:57,199
it's just an a for me. Like they they drafted

1610
01:11:57,319 --> 01:11:59,840
I mean they drafted well or like I guess traded

1611
01:11:59,880 --> 01:12:02,560
for the draft pick really well. Because this is interesting

1612
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:05,560
like sort of juxtaposition between like I know, there's an

1613
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,680
argument either way from okc's perspective, whether they came out

1614
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:11,560
ahead for Dallas. It's like, oh no, no, Lively was the

1615
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:14,560
guy they needed. He's a cornerstone. Now this was a

1616
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,279
great trade. So drafted well. Irving I think is just

1617
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:20,840
that's a great value for a player that has a

1618
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,359
ceiling as high as he does three years one twenty.

1619
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,279
Like every trade, even the worst trade they or the

1620
01:12:26,319 --> 01:12:28,159
worst move they made was Grant Williams, But that turns

1621
01:12:28,199 --> 01:12:32,279
into PJ. Washington finding Dante Exum, like come on, and

1622
01:12:32,319 --> 01:12:34,279
Derek Jones Junior was one of the best signings of

1623
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:36,880
this of the office. Like I do I have any

1624
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:40,039
a pluses. They made the finals. I'm gonna give him

1625
01:12:40,039 --> 01:12:42,439
an A plus. I don't care about the Dwight Powell

1626
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:44,720
thing because he's just gonna be Udonism for them.

1627
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 1: How do you square away just the fact that they

1628
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,920
were it took what happened to the deadline for them

1629
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:52,199
to become that team though, well Williams is a part

1630
01:12:52,199 --> 01:12:54,560
of it. By not being a part of it, it's

1631
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,399
like warping my brain with the way to do that.

1632
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,319
Speaker 2: I guess it's a question of do you credit them

1633
01:13:01,800 --> 01:13:04,159
if it's just about the off season, then the Grant

1634
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:08,520
Williams acquisition was not. It's probably not something that makes

1635
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,439
them a plus worthy good point.

1636
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:13,039
Speaker 1: Well, because it'd be different if he was still on

1637
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:13,640
the team.

1638
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: Well, but offseason, I guess the argument would be Grant

1639
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:21,760
Williams like still was valuable enough at the number they

1640
01:13:21,800 --> 01:13:25,399
signed him to to get you PJ. Washington essentially like maybe,

1641
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,560
And that's a I mean, that's that's a fair argument.

1642
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,520
It's just it's divorced enough from the off season itself

1643
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:31,680
that you're kind of making me.

1644
01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I go to just an

1645
01:13:33,279 --> 01:13:36,239
A plus because of how he panned out, because that

1646
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,560
that's a perfect offseason. It's sort of if you're factoring

1647
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,479
in the PJ. Washington deal. I just don't know that

1648
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,760
we can. We harped on that while we were talking

1649
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,239
about it. We were worried about that swap that they

1650
01:13:47,239 --> 01:13:48,680
gave up. It's like it is Lucas still going to

1651
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,680
be there, that whole thing, and so you feel better

1652
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,119
about the swap in general. But Grant Williams still didn't

1653
01:13:54,119 --> 01:13:56,960
like they. I'm sorry he it wasn't Derek Jones Junior

1654
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:59,039
who was billed as the guy who's going to be

1655
01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:01,199
the win that it was Grant Williams was gonna change

1656
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:02,199
their defensive culture.

1657
01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:05,119
Speaker 2: It was still, but it was Derek Jones Junior in

1658
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:07,039
the end, and they still you know what, there's enough

1659
01:14:07,039 --> 01:14:09,279
home I'm sticking with an A plus. There's enough home

1660
01:14:09,359 --> 01:14:13,680
runs here. Draft wise, signing wise, extension wise, or contract.

1661
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,880
Speaker 1: I just think I think that's smart of you, because

1662
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:20,319
Mavericks fans were really mad at you in the comments

1663
01:14:20,359 --> 01:14:22,560
the other day because you talked about Luca being out

1664
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,520
of shape, and I took it because I know how

1665
01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,880
you meant it as him coming into camp in shape,

1666
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:29,640
which he did last year, but has been a problem

1667
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,479
in the past, but his people who've defended Zion Williamson

1668
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,159
and Niccola Joch Its like, we understand that Luca is

1669
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:38,960
not a couch potato. He's he has good damage, just

1670
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,720
sometimes he chooses not to use it because he's arguing

1671
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,079
with the refs. And he teased us this year by

1672
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:45,279
not arguing with the refs were a good portion of

1673
01:14:45,359 --> 01:14:47,119
the time and then getting right back to it.

1674
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:50,039
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking up for me. I still think

1675
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:52,399
Luka Doncic needs to be in better shape. I just

1676
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:54,520
like I, you're not gonna You're not gonna.

1677
01:14:54,279 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 1: Have not said that, so we don't have to deal

1678
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:57,039
with the notes in the comments that just.

1679
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:00,560
Speaker 2: Send him my way and I'll happily ignore it all. Like,

1680
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,560
what is that doesn't feel like a crazy take that

1681
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:03,960
the guy?

1682
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah it shape, that feels like a crazy take. Where

1683
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:10,439
is it that Luca's stamina has hurt to Mavericks? I'm

1684
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:11,439
genuinely asking.

1685
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 2: I think, uh, well, one, they played at such a

1686
01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:16,359
slow pace because he likes to play that way.

1687
01:15:16,439 --> 01:15:17,800
Speaker 1: They played faster this year, but go.

1688
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,479
Speaker 2: On, they did? They did? I you can't look at Okay,

1689
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:22,760
how about this? This is a this is. I'll admit

1690
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,039
this is a lazy argument, which is apropos because we're

1691
01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:26,800
talking about someone I don't think is in the best

1692
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,920
shape he could be in. You can't look at Luka

1693
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,920
Doncic and say that guy's in the best shape he

1694
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:31,800
could possibly be in.

1695
01:15:33,399 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: Could you say that about Nikoliokic? Though? Because I don't

1696
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:42,720
see you lampooting Nikoliokic, I guess well, would you also say, though,

1697
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,359
that Jokic has clearly gotten in much better shape than

1698
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:47,840
he was in several years ago? Like, yeah, but I

1699
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,279
would argue that I feel like Luca has too, just

1700
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:52,039
in the level I think you could criticize him for

1701
01:15:52,079 --> 01:15:53,920
his effort level on defense? Does that have to do

1702
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:55,800
with his stamina? But his effort level on defense a

1703
01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,119
lot of time this year was probably higher than we're

1704
01:15:58,199 --> 01:15:58,760
used to seeing.

1705
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's just because he's so

1706
01:16:01,279 --> 01:16:04,199
unlimited and so great at everything that I want to see,

1707
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:07,079
like what that looks like in a maximized, like physical

1708
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:08,119
shape package.

1709
01:16:08,119 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: Okay, we watched Lebron for twenty something years, Like doesn't that.

1710
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me show me that. That's what I'd like

1711
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:14,560
to see.

1712
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: He's rockets, let's move but we've already lost, but we've

1713
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:20,039
probably been downloaded by a bunch of Maps fans. By now,

1714
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:22,640
that's all the Rockets, are you right? Yeah?

1715
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:27,039
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, So replaced steven head coach Stephen Silas with Ammyodoka.

1716
01:16:28,119 --> 01:16:30,760
I'm and Thompson at number five, Cam Whitmore at twenty five.

1717
01:16:31,039 --> 01:16:33,159
Speaker 1: Jesus that is number twenty.

1718
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 2: I don't know why twenty Okay, yeah, I apologize the

1719
01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,840
traded Brooklyn's own twenty twenty eight second to the Nets

1720
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,880
for Patty Mills and Milwaukee's twenty twenty second Fred van

1721
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:45,479
Vliet three years one twenty eight point five team option

1722
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,800
on the last year of that got Jeff Green, which

1723
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,680
we mentioned in the Nuggets section two year, sixteen million

1724
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,000
non guarantee on the second another non guarantee. Uh, several

1725
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:58,279
non guaranteed years for Jock Landale. Four for thirty two. Uh.

1726
01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:01,159
Speaker 1: Do we count down Brooks for four years and eighty

1727
01:17:01,159 --> 01:17:02,760
six million? It could go up to ninety million.

1728
01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 2: I think that's a good call. That's not on here.

1729
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,000
And then there's like a oh, yeah, Dylan Brooks is

1730
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,680
the headliner of this complicated trade. Four for eighty six Uh.

1731
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:11,479
Speaker 1: By the way, that was.

1732
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,720
Speaker 2: Well, so that guy we somebody the Warriors, and somebody

1733
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,720
else beat that this year as a sixth teamer, right.

1734
01:17:18,319 --> 01:17:20,520
Speaker 1: I think it was. So when are we gonna get

1735
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,159
the first seven teams? Right? I better not have to

1736
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:24,479
grade that one, I tell you that much.

1737
01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:28,119
Speaker 2: It's a lot of slides. Okay, So you had a

1738
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:29,880
B plus here, I had an A.

1739
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:33,159
Speaker 1: It's an A. I mean, honestly, it's an A plus.

1740
01:17:33,239 --> 01:17:35,159
This is the A plus team. Where was the move

1741
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:37,720
that didn't work? Because you still have those non guaranteed

1742
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,359
deals to use if you want to make a trade

1743
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,119
you like Fredman. I think people harped too much on

1744
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:44,960
Fred van Fleet is really what it came down to

1745
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:48,159
for me, because like it's a two year max, but

1746
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,159
you had all this money to spend. And he's the

1747
01:17:50,239 --> 01:17:52,439
perfect guy when it comes to not infringing upon the

1748
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:55,039
development of players who are more important than the long term.

1749
01:17:55,039 --> 01:17:57,439
And guess what happened. He did not infringe upon the

1750
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:01,039
development of Cam Whitmore, A'man Thompson. He wasn't the reason

1751
01:18:01,119 --> 01:18:04,000
Jalen Green sucked it up until February or March. Albert

1752
01:18:04,079 --> 01:18:07,039
jang Gun like and him and Albert chang Gun's partnership

1753
01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:10,079
really worked out, so like this is the A plus,

1754
01:18:10,119 --> 01:18:12,840
Like this was a fantastic I mean even right down,

1755
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,720
emy Udoka came in and I look, I know they

1756
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:18,199
have talent, But if I would have told you Jay

1757
01:18:18,199 --> 01:18:20,399
Shawn Tate would play X amount of minutes, Tory Easton

1758
01:18:20,439 --> 01:18:23,199
would miss most of the season, and this is gonna

1759
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,159
be the fifth or seventh best defense in the league,

1760
01:18:25,199 --> 01:18:27,319
you look at the personnel and say that, like look

1761
01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:30,720
at Destriges Jabari Smith Junior last year. This is the

1762
01:18:31,079 --> 01:18:33,359
this is the A plus. I guess you could say,

1763
01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,800
but like what is what did they do that would

1764
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:37,640
be view as negative last summer?

1765
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:39,319
Speaker 2: No, I'm coming with you as well.

1766
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:43,279
Speaker 1: This did not include the Kevin Porter situation, domestic violence

1767
01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:48,319
allegations and the road not taken this brook Lopez could

1768
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:50,199
have been on this team and brook Lopez decided not

1769
01:18:50,279 --> 01:18:52,079
to be and that changes their offseason.

1770
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,079
Speaker 2: So like, I don't know, probably.

1771
01:18:55,039 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: By the way we did dingdam for that by the

1772
01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,279
just clearly misreading the brook Lopez situation and being used

1773
01:18:59,279 --> 01:19:01,560
as a stalking horn. But how did it end up

1774
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:02,319
hurting them?

1775
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 2: It didn't, it was it turned out great, Like but

1776
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,399
I guess the argument would be like, had they gotten

1777
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:09,880
what they wanted, they would have had Brook Lopez and

1778
01:19:10,159 --> 01:19:13,520
it's not somebody else, but who knows, maybe that would

1779
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:13,800
have worked.

1780
01:19:14,079 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: Alpern shang Gun would not be who Alpern shang Gun

1781
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:17,279
is right now.

1782
01:19:17,159 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 2: That's the argument, that's right, It's still an A plus,

1783
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,079
Like they just I don't know the Fred van Vliet thing.

1784
01:19:23,119 --> 01:19:25,359
I get it if you're it's a little sticker shockey,

1785
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:27,119
but spoiler next.

1786
01:19:27,039 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 1: Week's contract now because he has the team option.

1787
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:32,319
Speaker 2: On your right. Next next week, I got something coming

1788
01:19:32,359 --> 01:19:35,880
out where he will factor. I don't want to totally

1789
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,399
spoil it, but very very heavily in the most underrated

1790
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,319
players of the last five years.

1791
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:44,159
Speaker 1: Like that guy, players who bet on themselves. That guy

1792
01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:50,119
is who else whose Yeah, that's easy A plus, just dominate.

1793
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:52,720
They added nineteen wins to their total like that, just

1794
01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:55,560
the fact that it's we're looking and by the way,

1795
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,560
it's too current, but just like they you could view

1796
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,800
it this way that one of the five seven best

1797
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,840
defense that we just added Red fucking Shepherd, Like what is.

1798
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna have to be real careful about getting

1799
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,800
crazy on how good we think the Rockets are going

1800
01:20:08,880 --> 01:20:09,119
to be.

1801
01:20:09,359 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: The Grizzlies who will be good. But we did not

1802
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:16,239
look upon their off season very favorably. We didn't. We

1803
01:20:16,279 --> 01:20:17,920
didn't kill it though when I listened back. But they

1804
01:20:17,960 --> 01:20:21,720
traded Tyas Jones number twenty five, Marcus Asser and Golden

1805
01:20:21,720 --> 01:20:24,760
States twenty twenty first round pick that became that was

1806
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:29,680
the bub Carrington pick I believe right for Marcus sounds right, yeah,

1807
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,439
because that was traded to Portland, which then became Bubba,

1808
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,479
which was traded to Washington became Bob Carrington. So they

1809
01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,840
traded that for Marcus. Smart signed has been Baying to

1810
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,640
a five year, one ninety seven point two million dollar

1811
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:43,239
extension eight point seven million unlikely incentives. There's no options

1812
01:20:43,279 --> 01:20:45,359
on that. They had the five team. They were part

1813
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:47,399
of the five team trade with Dylan Brooks. They basically

1814
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:51,479
didn't get anything out of that. They signed and traded

1815
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,239
Dylan Brooks and they were able to get Josh Christopher

1816
01:20:53,279 --> 01:20:55,600
who they waived, and they created a tpe. They signed

1817
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,600
Eric Rose to a two year, fully guaranteed veterans minimum deal.

1818
01:20:59,279 --> 01:21:01,840
They traded to twenty eight twenty twenty nine second round

1819
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:05,119
picks to Phoenix for the least favorable twenty four first

1820
01:21:05,159 --> 01:21:08,279
round swap and least favorable twenty thirty first round swap.

1821
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,119
And the thing that was not graded as part of

1822
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:14,119
it was they drafted Gigi Jackson at number forty five,

1823
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:16,600
but he was unsigned at the time we did the grades.

1824
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,600
He then was signed and the rest was history for him.

1825
01:21:20,079 --> 01:21:23,039
I still think you can be optimistic about the I

1826
01:21:23,159 --> 01:21:25,439
gave them. I believe I was lower than you on

1827
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,359
their offseason. I gave them a C minus. You gave

1828
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:29,600
them a C plus. YEP. I believe that you can

1829
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,119
feel good about their future and still question a lot

1830
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:34,880
of the process here. But I do believe that I

1831
01:21:34,880 --> 01:21:36,960
don't know what to do about their grade because Marcus

1832
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:41,680
mart was not good and he was injured, so like,

1833
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:43,239
like does that bring their grade down? But then it's

1834
01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:45,760
clearly Desmond bang takes another leap forward. So we already

1835
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,680
considered him a no brainer at this number, he's even

1836
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:51,640
more of a no brainer now. But gg Jackson, like

1837
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,359
what he turned into, like is he just the solution

1838
01:21:53,520 --> 01:21:56,119
is like the combo three four that they need. I

1839
01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:57,439
don't know what to do with third grade? Are you

1840
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:58,199
going up or down?

1841
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 2: It's just so hard to judge it because it was

1842
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,279
a lost season, and you might feel differently about Marcus

1843
01:22:03,279 --> 01:22:06,439
Smart and several other guys if you know a million

1844
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,840
different players had been on the floor. I kind of

1845
01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,680
think I kind of with you on just like the

1846
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,000
process of it feels, and just generally the Grizzlies transactional

1847
01:22:15,039 --> 01:22:16,880
process over the last several years, it just feels like

1848
01:22:16,920 --> 01:22:20,079
they've left so much money on the table. I don't

1849
01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:21,680
know how much how fair that is. I'm going to

1850
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:22,800
just drop it to a C.

1851
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 1: It's and I think the best way to frame it,

1852
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:26,960
and I'm sorry to deject, is they gave up too

1853
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,840
much for Marcus Smart, but you hit on Gigi Jackson,

1854
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:33,800
And I would say Desmond Baines deal to me looks

1855
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,119
like an above average deal from a team perspective.

1856
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 2: And it might look a little better today than it

1857
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:41,239
did at the time, just because the CAP's gone crazy,

1858
01:22:41,239 --> 01:22:43,800
and it's not it's not a percentage max, right, it's

1859
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,680
just a flat number because this is a sub max.

1860
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:48,159
I think I forget all this if I'm wrong, but

1861
01:22:48,560 --> 01:22:51,399
it's not. It's gonna look better as the years go on,

1862
01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:55,000
I think, and like I even though he was among

1863
01:22:55,039 --> 01:22:56,439
the guys that you know missed a bunch of time.

1864
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:58,520
I didn't see anything last year that suggested that was,

1865
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:00,239
oh my, oh, it's a risky deal. He's not going

1866
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:01,520
to make good on that. I don't. I don't think

1867
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:02,720
that he definitely.

1868
01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:04,520
Speaker 1: He leveled up once again. Is like a shot creator

1869
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,520
and playmaker. So I think that's I'm sticking with the

1870
01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:10,479
C though, because they're probably Look, their process continues to

1871
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:12,119
be questionable when you look at what they had to

1872
01:23:12,159 --> 01:23:14,560
give up to get off of Zira Williams, so that if

1873
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,520
they could stay far enough beneath the tax to go

1874
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,399
resigned Luke Canard, whose team options they declined, they could

1875
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,560
save three million dollars off his money. Yeah, it's a

1876
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,680
say for me, I could see. I think you could

1877
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:26,239
probably make a case for like a C plus, but

1878
01:23:26,319 --> 01:23:28,960
you can't tell me as of right now because we

1879
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,880
can't grade this on. Like imagine, if the Marcus mart

1880
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,439
trade is better than we expect it, like we just

1881
01:23:34,479 --> 01:23:35,880
saw it in action, you could say this is why

1882
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,560
we play the games. He didn't play it enough of

1883
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,319
the games. He was sloppy on the offensive end, which

1884
01:23:39,399 --> 01:23:41,560
might have to do with John Moran's absence. That's still

1885
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:43,279
put the whole reason to have Marcus Martin that was

1886
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:44,680
to help you navigate the John Bran.

1887
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:47,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember it was like he needs to replace

1888
01:23:47,199 --> 01:23:49,399
Dylan Brooks and John Morant for Like, the.

1889
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:52,119
Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks stuff is still just okay. I'm fine with

1890
01:23:52,159 --> 01:23:54,239
them of letting him walk. He really rained in his

1891
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:56,119
shots and that was the other That's why Houston get today.

1892
01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:57,920
Plus is Dylon brook reigned in his shots.

1893
01:23:58,319 --> 01:24:00,840
Speaker 2: They got him under control to that that's possible.

1894
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: The whole like ethering him on the way out and

1895
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,039
just deciding that, hey, this person who's super important to

1896
01:24:06,079 --> 01:24:07,840
our defense, we're just not going to get any real

1897
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,520
value for. Like that's bizarre.

1898
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, New Orleans, this will be a quick one, not

1899
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,119
a whole lot of action. Jordan Hawkins at number fourteen.

1900
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:16,880
I love Jordan Hawkins. UH signed Herb Jones for four

1901
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,800
years fifty three point eight million, no options that ends

1902
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,079
at his age twenty eight season. That's I'm already seeing

1903
01:24:23,079 --> 01:24:24,439
the grade go up, even though I don't know what

1904
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,560
we gave them initially. Uh, we have to resign EJ.

1905
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,960
Ladell two years, six point two million, first two seasons

1906
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:32,600
of which are I'm not sure what the.

1907
01:24:32,520 --> 01:24:35,520
Speaker 1: Game he's not even team anymore. Okay, gone, sign Cody Zeller.

1908
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:38,079
Speaker 2: That's it. That's what we got. Why don't we have

1909
01:24:38,119 --> 01:24:40,399
grades for the Pelicans? Did we not grade them? Had

1910
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:41,800
they not done anything last year?

1911
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:45,119
Speaker 1: Were we just because they there's no Oh, why is

1912
01:24:45,119 --> 01:24:46,720
the hurd? Did I not have the Herb Jones deal

1913
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:47,079
on here?

1914
01:24:47,119 --> 01:24:47,199
Speaker 2: No?

1915
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: I didn't, But you cover that by the way that

1916
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,079
people were freaking out over the Herb Jones deal the

1917
01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:53,159
best deals in the league. Yeah, it's one of the

1918
01:24:53,159 --> 01:24:55,800
best deals in the league. What did we go TVD

1919
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:57,640
because we thought that they were going to make some

1920
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:58,800
type of I don't know.

1921
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,279
Speaker 2: Maybe all I know is that just feel like if

1922
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:03,880
all all I'm seeing is Jordan Hawkins at fourteen and

1923
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:07,000
Herb Jones for basically, you know, four years fifty three,

1924
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,079
why is this not an a You have to go

1925
01:25:10,159 --> 01:25:12,000
down the road of like, well, they could have done X,

1926
01:25:12,119 --> 01:25:13,920
Y and Z and they didn't. It's just got to be.

1927
01:25:15,119 --> 01:25:17,159
Speaker 1: Like I think, if you were prepared to let Yonis

1928
01:25:17,199 --> 01:25:20,000
Valain Tunis walk, which they apparently were, is, you should

1929
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:21,760
have made more of an effort to move him last

1930
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:25,000
offseason to to tweak the center position. But they were

1931
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,680
also kind of still in team continuity mode.

1932
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:32,159
Speaker 2: And if similarly, if you foresaw any chance of the

1933
01:25:32,199 --> 01:25:35,039
brandon Ingram situation getting to where it is, this like

1934
01:25:35,079 --> 01:25:38,239
in other situations, we're always saying, you can't let the

1935
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:40,199
guy get to the last year of his deal. You know,

1936
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:43,039
we did it to Toronto with Ananobi and Siakam. You

1937
01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:45,000
got to you gotta do something if you don't want

1938
01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:47,319
to extend him and you think you might get to

1939
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:47,920
next year.

1940
01:25:48,359 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 1: That's more of a like this offseason grade though, because

1941
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:54,680
sure with Jonas Valentunas, it was you clearly needed like

1942
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,000
some diversity at the center position, but a functional diversification

1943
01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:02,039
at the center position, and you like kind of punting

1944
01:26:02,119 --> 01:26:03,840
on it, I guess, and just service of well, let's

1945
01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,720
see if this team remains healthy. So I kind of

1946
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,439
get I'm still gonna give them an A because that

1947
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:10,239
Herb Jones. I'm sure we gave grades. I'm listening back,

1948
01:26:10,279 --> 01:26:11,520
and I think we might have given them an A

1949
01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:14,199
in the moment. By the way, just the Jones.

1950
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,079
Speaker 2: Deal by itself is an A. And again I think

1951
01:26:16,079 --> 01:26:18,079
Hawkins is good is like the kind of shooter you

1952
01:26:18,119 --> 01:26:19,479
can build a whole scheme around.

1953
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: It's probably mostly unfair to do the whole grading them

1954
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:26,399
against what they didn't do, like at least starkly, because

1955
01:26:26,399 --> 01:26:27,520
to me, it's like, if you want to nudge it

1956
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:29,319
down a bit because it's Yonas found shooting is like,

1957
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:33,199
why didn't you explore that? Like do or don't even

1958
01:26:33,279 --> 01:26:34,960
view to the lens of Yonah fun shoots is why

1959
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,079
weren't you more aggressively trying to shake up the center

1960
01:26:37,079 --> 01:26:39,720
position less offseason? I actually think that's fine to demerit

1961
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,960
them for. But I think Jordan Hawkins was fine value

1962
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:43,319
at number fourteen, and then when you end up with

1963
01:26:43,319 --> 01:26:45,960
Herb Jones, I'm like, you know, making less than ten

1964
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,279
percent of salary gap.

1965
01:26:47,159 --> 01:26:48,520
Speaker 2: Like, come on, ridiculous.

1966
01:26:48,600 --> 01:26:50,760
Speaker 1: Final team also an easy team, even though they are

1967
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,439
a mess of transactions here, Uh, the Spurs draft in

1968
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:56,439
Victor women Yam at number one. That's an a plus

1969
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,159
and let's move on. Were on. So here's the thing,

1970
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:01,119
and I'd like us to keep this in mind when

1971
01:27:01,159 --> 01:27:03,119
we do our preamble for the grades this year, is

1972
01:27:03,119 --> 01:27:05,760
that we you and I have dismissed and maybe I've

1973
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,000
been driving that bus of just like when we talked

1974
01:27:08,039 --> 01:27:09,840
about this, it was, well, there was no choice to

1975
01:27:09,880 --> 01:27:12,439
make there, Like we can't grade the spurs in favor

1976
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:14,720
of that, But there's also a risk in the road,

1977
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:16,680
like not taking the road less traveled. So yeah, do

1978
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,279
they deserve as much credit as like for taking Wenby

1979
01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:23,479
as let's say, the Hornets do for Brandon Miller. No,

1980
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,560
because there was an actual decision to be made there.

1981
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:27,840
But you still have to make the decision, and so

1982
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,760
that's an A plus move And that's something that I,

1983
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,239
at least I shouldn't have put you into that bucket.

1984
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,880
I need to do a better job of just we

1985
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,560
We didn't factor him enough into their grade, which ended

1986
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:40,680
up by the way, from both of us, I gave it.

1987
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,840
You gave him a B plus, but like I think

1988
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,199
in the moment, it could have been yeah, okay, don't

1989
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:47,159
grade them higher. But it's not like we didn't give

1990
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:49,720
them any credit for drafting Lemby is basically.

1991
01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, to be honest, I'm still not sure what to

1992
01:27:52,119 --> 01:27:54,079
do with that, because, like I feel like, if we

1993
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:57,439
listen back to just this episode, in some cases we

1994
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,920
just gave the good. We gave a high grade in

1995
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:02,880
Situated Now this is the ultimate There was no decision

1996
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,720
to make here, Like all thirty teams make the same decision.

1997
01:28:06,119 --> 01:28:09,640
There's probably some instances where we've praised teams for for

1998
01:28:10,079 --> 01:28:12,560
kind of doing similar stuff where it's like, well, I mean,

1999
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,399
of course you did this. Everybody would have done this

2000
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,199
in your position. I don't know how to because it

2001
01:28:17,239 --> 01:28:20,119
just should be as simple as they got Victor Wembanyama. Therefore,

2002
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:24,199
their off season wasn't a plus like you got this guy. Yeah,

2003
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:26,039
but I guess I'm still my B plus was very

2004
01:28:26,119 --> 01:28:28,880
much hung up on like you could have Like, there's

2005
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,800
no one that would have been in charge of the

2006
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,159
Spurs picked someone off the street. They would have just

2007
01:28:33,159 --> 01:28:35,239
picked woman Yama. So it's like, I don't I don't

2008
01:28:35,279 --> 01:28:36,119
know what to do with that.

2009
01:28:36,199 --> 01:28:38,199
Speaker 1: I think it's and maybe you're onto something in the

2010
01:28:38,239 --> 01:28:41,039
sense of the way we approached it after the draft

2011
01:28:41,399 --> 01:28:43,319
is right because we haven't watched him play, But the

2012
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:45,439
way we're approaching it now in the regrade because we've

2013
01:28:45,439 --> 01:28:48,399
seen Victor Webb Yama. Yeah, okay, anyone would have made

2014
01:28:48,399 --> 01:28:51,119
that decision, but like, how what are you to not

2015
01:28:51,239 --> 01:28:53,840
give them credit for drafting one of the probably one

2016
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:55,000
of the best players of all time.

2017
01:28:55,279 --> 01:28:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, it's it's it's I'm not sure

2018
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:00,920
what to do, like, well maybe. So the thing we

2019
01:29:00,960 --> 01:29:03,920
didn't mention is the Devin Vessell deal was not I was.

2020
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: Gonna go through the is like what would you give?

2021
01:29:06,119 --> 01:29:08,560
Let's remove Victor Wimenyama from the equation. But so some

2022
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,560
of the deals that stand out to me again Transaction

2023
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:13,960
sleep sheets on YouTube. They traded number thirty three, which

2024
01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:16,520
became Leondard Miller of Minnesota, for Utah's twenty six second

2025
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,600
in Minnesota's twenty eight second. They signed Julian Champenni to

2026
01:29:19,640 --> 01:29:22,159
four years twelve million dollars with only the first year

2027
01:29:22,239 --> 01:29:24,880
was guaranteed. That was a really good deal. They turned

2028
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,119
the Lakers twenty six second into Jeti Osmon and the

2029
01:29:28,159 --> 01:29:30,520
Cavs is twenty thirty second. That's a nice little piece

2030
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:34,000
of business right there. They traded a twenty twenty four second,

2031
01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:36,079
a more favorable one from Chicago and New Orleans at

2032
01:29:36,079 --> 01:29:38,680
Toronto twenty twenty five second and Miami's twenty twenty eight

2033
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:41,319
second for Reggie Block and that twenty thirty first round

2034
01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:45,199
swap with MAVs signed Trey Jones for two years nineteen million.

2035
01:29:45,239 --> 01:29:47,600
His salary actually declines in the second year, which is

2036
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,479
this coming season, traded a fake first round of the

2037
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:54,079
Suns for campaign and a second and cash they brought back.

2038
01:29:54,319 --> 01:29:56,479
They signed mam Muskelli that was the number fifty four

2039
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:58,800
pick in twenty twenty one, and then the Devin Vesselle extension,

2040
01:29:59,079 --> 01:30:01,600
which I would say looks just as good or better

2041
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,479
five years, one hundred and thirty five million, with the

2042
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,800
language unlikely incentives that could bring it up to one

2043
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:09,239
to forty six. I think independent of webin Ya, but

2044
01:30:09,359 --> 01:30:12,319
they still have a case for an a offseason where

2045
01:30:12,359 --> 01:30:13,840
you just look at the work they did on the

2046
01:30:13,880 --> 01:30:17,279
bargins and the only argument against it for me would be, well,

2047
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,439
they should have made more use of like all this

2048
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,439
flexibility and gone after a win now player, which they

2049
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:24,960
just weren't good enough to do, which.

2050
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 2: They did this summer. Anyway, you get Harrison Barnes and

2051
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:28,680
Chris Paul.

2052
01:30:28,720 --> 01:30:31,239
Speaker 1: But that's not like ultra aggressive, right.

2053
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 2: No, no, no, right, I'll just go a minus. And I think, honestly,

2054
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,279
like I just don't know what to do with the

2055
01:30:38,279 --> 01:30:40,479
Wemby thing. I'm almost giving them an a minus on

2056
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,680
everything that excluding Wemby, just because I don't know how

2057
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:46,279
to weigh that draft pick.

2058
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: What did they do? What thing out here? Are you? Like?

2059
01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:53,560
Speaker 2: No, no, nothing, really like, I don't know. It could

2060
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,920
be an A. I guess, I just I guess maybe

2061
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,880
the the Cell deal doesn't have had vas Cell had

2062
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,399
like a phenomenal year. It's like, oh my god, this

2063
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:04,119
is clearly the number two to Wemby for the next decade.

2064
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:06,199
Maybe that's an A. I don't know. I don't know

2065
01:31:06,199 --> 01:31:08,680
if it split hairs between A and A minus. It

2066
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:11,560
just the Wemby thing is still just feels like, how

2067
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,960
do you credit a team for doing the most obvious

2068
01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:15,720
thing of the entire offseason?

2069
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:18,319
Speaker 1: You know, our homework is we need to come back

2070
01:31:18,359 --> 01:31:20,760
when we're ready for actual grades of the twenty four offseason.

2071
01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:23,000
We need to come back with a system of how

2072
01:31:23,079 --> 01:31:23,760
to view those.

2073
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,520
Speaker 2: Right like we understand no other options.

2074
01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:30,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, uh this was I think this was fun.

2075
01:31:30,319 --> 01:31:31,439
I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it.

2076
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,960
Speaker 2: I look, we're now officially accountable on the record, So

2077
01:31:35,079 --> 01:31:36,239
congratulations to us.

2078
01:31:36,520 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: Whether you still agree with us or not is relevant.

2079
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:40,920
We are we are. We are on the.

2080
01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:43,640
Speaker 2: Speak of the twenty three offseason. Again. That's the other

2081
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,279
thing about this. This is the last time we'll talk

2082
01:31:45,319 --> 01:31:45,720
about it.

2083
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,119
Speaker 1: We've decided that would you like to take us out

2084
01:31:48,119 --> 01:31:48,720
of here concert?

2085
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 2: Sure? Thanks everybody for listening, for watching. I hope you

2086
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:55,920
enjoyed Dan's painstakingly crafted graphics. YouTube viewers, because I was

2087
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:57,600
impressed by them, and I hope that you were too.

2088
01:31:58,199 --> 01:32:01,520
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2089
01:32:01,560 --> 01:32:04,199
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2090
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2091
01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,239
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2092
01:32:11,279 --> 01:32:13,840
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2093
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01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,680
stuff we always ask of you. We appreciate all of

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your input. Everybody who's listening and watch shouts Frank mil

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Keina apologies with jareded Howard