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over the last forty eight hours or so. Yeah, so, oh,
let's can we talk about green cards? Have you heard
this story of this Palestinian activist that got picked up
by immigration? I too, actually saw somebody get picked up
by immigration.
Speaker 2: Happened right outside.
Speaker 1: Of my house, right outside my house. Yeah, there was
apparently some sort of an operation and they were staking
somebody out and the car was going right down our
side street and they got surrounded. He tried to flee.
This was on Saturday, he tried to flee, or Sunday, Saturday, Yes, Saturday,
he tried to flee. He jumped the sidewalk, tried to
cut through somebody's yard, and one of the agents then
rammed him right there next to the house. And yeah,
that's crazy, and he took off running. He ran through
some neighbor yard, freaked out their little kids that were
in the basement playing, and then they took them away
and they left the car. So yeah, they didn't even
search it. They didn't even search the car. But yeah,
kind of surreal to see all of that unfold. But
it's and Christy and I talked about it, like we
saw one moment in a series of events, right that
we have no insight on. We have no idea who
the person was, right, we have no idea how they
got onto the radar of the law enforcement. So whatever happened,
like they obviously devoted a lot of manpower, had like
six different vehicles staked out all over the neighborhood and stuff.
So and yeah, so it's like it was just it
was surreal to see it happen. But again, like we
saw the one final moment in that historical record, we
don't know what all. I have no idea who the
guy was, no idea what he was wanted for or whatever.
But the fact that they didn't search the car, I
kind of feel like it probably was a deportation.
Speaker 2: Type of situation.
Speaker 1: But again, don't know what he did to get on
their radar where they would devote those kinds of resources.
Now I do have a pretty good idea with this guy,
Mahmoud Khalil. Yeah, he is a lawful permanent resident alien, okay,
and he got picked up and now is apparently being
held in Louisiana by immigration. He's a green card holder,
That's what that means. A lawful permanent resident alien green
card holder who was reportedly born in Syria but claims
Palestinian ancestry. He has been a prominent figure in the
pro Hamas agitation at Columbia University as late as as
recently as last week, when he reportedly posed as a
mediator between the university and the protesters.
Speaker 2: These are the.
Speaker 1: Ones that occupied the building at Barnard College, all right,
I mentioned this last week and nine people got arrested.
He was not one of them, but the problems at
Columbia University, he has been front and center. He has
been a sort of de facto spokesperson for this group
called see You Apartheid divest or Columbia University Apartheid divest
SEEUAD or quad. And when you read what this organization celebrates,
when you see what they cheer for, they're communists.
Speaker 2: And I don't.
Speaker 1: I'm not just saying that to you know, throw the
word around like ooh, comus this and that, but no,
like literally they're communists. Like here's one of their statements.
Vladimir Lenin said that the working class has no weapon
but organization meeting that only through ideological consolidation and organized
action can the conception of collective power.
Speaker 2: Yes, Colombia has.
Speaker 1: A oh oh sorry, can the masses overcome imperialism? Sorry
I skip the line there. Our movement has much to
learn from his conception of collective power. Yes, Colombia has
a multi billion dollar endowment. They have proven they are
willing to unleash the state on us in the most
grotesque ways, but their use of police signifies their weakness,
namely that they are unable to squash our movement through
peaceful means. Then, and they quote Mao Zedong, who reminds us, quote,
however active the leading group may be, its activity will
amount to fruitless effort by a handful of people unless
combined with the activity of the masses. On the other hand,
if the masses alone are active without a strong leading
group to organize their activity properly, such activity cannot be
sustained for long, or carried forward in the right direction,
or raised to a high level end.
Speaker 2: Quote right, So.
Speaker 1: They're literally quoting Lenin and Mao. That's who this organization is.
They are also self identified as Westerners fighting for the
total eradication of Western civilization, which kind of seems problematic. Right, So,
why would you let this person into our country? Why
would you let somebody with these kinds of views into
our country? David Harsani, who is a senior writer at
The Washington Examiner, He says, this is the reason for
green cards. Green cards exist specifically so we can vet
people right to determine if they are worthy of citizenship.
Do we want you in our country? And if you
come into our country and you say that you want
to eradicate our country, I'm going to suggest that that's
probably not a great candidate for citizenship. You probably shouldn't
be allowed to stay if all you're doing is fomenting
communist demonstrations and Islamic jihad, because that's what he's been doing.
Speaker 2: That's what this guy has been doing, Mackmood Khalil.
Speaker 1: And the way that the Left is framing his arrest
is that and processing for deportation is that, Oh, he
was simply speaking out and he's being thrown in jail,
or he's being deported for free speech. No, he's being
deported because he is here with a green card. He
was here on a student visa that has now apparently
turned into a green card, I guess. And because he's
done with school, he graduated. So why are you still
leading this organization or acting as its spokesperson going around
threatening Jews on Columbia's campus and calling for the Zionists
to be you know, murdered in stuff like you are
fomenting discord. You are like if you are a Green
card holder, I don't think you get the same protest rights.
I don't I think you're visiting. I think you're a
visitor to the country. And if you are doing things
to destabilize the society. I think that country has the
right to throw you out. That does not seem that
does not seem to be I don't know a stretch.
I understand, like, there are people making these arguments that
you like. For example, what's his name, Greenberg?
Speaker 2: I think is his name?
Speaker 1: He writes a simple justice. Yeah, I think it's anyway,
He's like one of the least pleasant aspects of being
principled is that you have to defend people whose ideology
you find repugnant or idiotic. But that is the test
of principle, he says. This guy Khalil has been convicted
of no crime for his actions. It may be that
he has engaged in criminal conduct. If so, then he
should be arrested and prosecuted for what he did, and
if it can be proven, convicted. That's how it works here,
or at least how it's supposed to work here. He
was not here on a student visa, but was a
legal permanent resident. He's married to an American citizen. Not
only does he enjoy the same for Amendment rights as
an American citizen, but he enjoys the right to do
process as well. And so he is being deprived of
this according.
Speaker 2: To the left and the media.
Speaker 1: But I repeat myself, he is being deprived of due
process because he has been leading the tantifada at Columbia University.
I feel like though, that there's a pretty specific thing
in the law that if you are promoting foreign terrorist
organizations like you get to they can deport you. That's
pretty yeah, that's in the law. And HAMAS is a
foreign terrorist organization designated as such. It seems pretty I
don't know due processing.
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Speaker 2: M all right, I'll talk to Keith. Hello, Keith, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 3: Hey Keen, how's it going by?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 2: All right? What's up?
Speaker 3: I just wanted to talk about these the blue haired
alphabet Army destroy elon musk cars and car dealerships. Yeah,
I don't think they understand property ownership. Clearly. If someone
destroys must property, he has someone called the insurance company
and then he's covered at the worst for him, it's
just an inconvenience. Another issue is most cargalerships are independently
owned some poor guy that's out there trying to do
business and make it make away in the world being
a you know, independent car dealer. It wakes up one
morning and half of his stock is destroyed, and you
know that has nothing to do with Elon Musk.
Speaker 1: Right, well, but I mean you're attempting to apply some
level of rationality to the behavior. And you know, we
saw during the summer of fiery but mostly peaceful protesting.
They don't care about private property and the destruction of it, right.
Speaker 3: Right, I understand that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, it's true. He doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's I mean, think of the
guy that owns the local dealership, a franchise owner, and
you know, well, I guess that's his fault because he,
you know, thought Elon Musk's products were so good, you know,
five years ago and whenever it was when he bought
the franchise, and now you know, fast forward five years
and now what he gets his his business attacked because
these these leftists don't like Elon all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: What it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's terrorism. I mean that's what it is.
It's the same thing that the Eco Health Alliance people did.
It's the same stuff that the uh the BLM people did.
It's this is this is part of their playbook. It
always it always has been. Leftists always rely on violence
like this. So Keith, I appreciate the call. Start, thank you. Yeah,
it's it's the These are the foot soldiers, right. They
want people to be afraid to cross them because they
cannot convince you based on their arguments.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: This is why you know they become I say all
the time unchallenged ideas are easy to hold. They have
become intellectually flabby. They cannot defend their ideas. And so
when they cannot persuade you to do the thing that
they want you to do, they will attempt to what
censor you, They will attempt to shame you, embarrass you,
make your life difficult, and then threaten you with violence.
Like that's this is the playbook. So we've seen enough
examples of it. That's what they've been doing at Columbia University.
And when Donald Trump came in, he was like, this
is stopping. And by the way, when you are here
on a green card or you're here on a student visa,
you don't get to foment the overthrow of our government.
You don't get to endorse terrorist activities. You don't get
to endorse or support a terrorist organization. And that's what
this guy up in New York has done. That's what
he did. Khalil Makamud Camille Khalil, rather, he supported Hamas,
a foreign terrorist organization designated as such by the government, also.
Speaker 2: Has Bala, so it's very clear.
Speaker 1: He's also acted as a spokesperson for this organization, Columbia
University Apartheid and Divest CUAD. So you've made the case
against yourself very clear.
Speaker 2: So this is the associated press.
Speaker 1: Khalil and other student leaders of Columbia University Apartheid Divest
have rejected claims of anti Semitism, saying they are part
of a broader anti war movement that also includes Jewish
students and groups, but the Protest Coalition at times this
is the ap By the way, the Protest Coalition has
also voiced support for leaders of Hamas and Hezbollah, another
Islamist organization designated by the US as a terrorist group.
The US Education Department on Monday warned sixty colleges, including
Harvard and Cornell, that they could lose federal money if
they failed to uphold civil rights laws against anti semitism
and ensure uninterrupted access to campus facilities and education opportunities.
The Trump administration is already pulling four hundred million dollars
from Columbia. A group of Columbia faculty members expressed concern
that Khalil's detention was intended to suppress free speech by
students and staff who are not US citizens. No, it's
you don't get to come into the country as a
guest and then advocate for terrorist organizations. It's literally in
the law terrorist activities inadmissible. You're not allowed to be
here if you are endorsing or espousing terrorist activity, or
persuading others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity, or support
a terrorist organization. Any alien who is described in that
paragraph is deportable because we don't want you in our country.
If you're going to be supporting terrorist organizations, we don't
want you. It's very simple, all right. If you're listening
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more transparent. Mach Mood Khalil a graduate of Columbia University,
where he also acted as the spokesperson for CUAD Columbia
University Apartheid divest. These are the ones that ran all
of the protests at Columbia University, Barnard College. All of
it right, and they are social media messaging is pretty awful,
pretty awful and supportive of terrorism, talking about if we
want to achieve liberation in America, we must be prepared
to make the same sacrifices. What sacrifices is he talking
about or is cuad talking about? Well, they were talking about.
At least two hundred of our comrades in Bangladesh have
been martyred in the past two weeks.
Speaker 2: And they do use the.
Speaker 1: Word comrade all the time because they are communists. That's
why they keep using the word comrade. So they're calling
for bloodshed for the martyrdom of Americans and such in
order to overthrow the Western civilization. This is what they
explicitly say. We are Westerners fighting for the total eradication
of Western civilization. Okay, so they are here to destabilize.
He is here to destabilize, that is the point. But
he should be allowed to say it. He has freedom
of speech, does he?
Speaker 2: But does he?
Speaker 1: What's the point of running a green card system or
a student visa system? Right? If you can, if anybody
can get it, and anybody can, then once they arrive here,
can engage in whatever they want to engage in. Because
he is engaging in illegal behavior, deportable behavior. Now there's
one rite up Ilia Sohman who says a standard response
about whether this should be unconstitutional from a policy perspective
is that even if non citizens have a right to
free speech. They don't have a constitutional right to stay
in the United States. Thus deporting them for their speech
doesn't violate the Constitution. But in virtually every other context,
it is clear that depriving people of a right as
punishment for their speech violates the First Amendment, even if
the right they lose does not itself have constitutional status.
Speaker 2: In other words, it's sort.
Speaker 1: Of like daisy chaining if you will, like, Okay, so
we're not going to say that, you can't say that.
We're just going to deport you if you do say that.
And see, so it's we created this little half step
that we can get to, and then that's not a
violation of your constitutional rights do you have as a foreigner?
Do you have all constitutional rights as American citizens? So
it remains unclear whether Khalil engaged in either criminal activities
or activities that violated eleven eighty two A three. That's
the section of this law. And I actually have actually
I have it here. I will tell you what it is.
Terrorist activities. Any alien who endorses or espouses terrorist activity,
or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or
support a terrorist organization, and he does he has that
he's done all of that, and so that's deportable.
Speaker 2: But I guess the.
Speaker 1: Left really wants this guy to be their poster child
for free. I guess like this is the guy you're
going to rally around.
Speaker 2: They already are.
Speaker 1: They're rallying around him as a House Judiciary Democrats. Yeah,
they said, just to recap. This is what they said
on Twitter. These are this are sorry the Senate Judiciary
Democrat members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. So think Adam
Schiff four brains, just to recap macmood Khalil exercises his
First Amendment rights. But Donald Trump and Marco Rubio didn't
degree with what he said. That's not a matter of
agreeing with what he said. It's a matter of fomenting
violence and supporting designated terrorist organizations. That's what they have done.
And if you can't see that the United States has
an interest in preventing people from other countries coming into
America and trying to overthrow and destabilize the society here,
then what is the point of having any rules whatsoever?
There should be none, right, no rules for anybody coming in,
no screening, why bother Just let everybody come.
Speaker 2: Just open a.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I guess they actually did promote that kind
of a policy.
Speaker 2: That is true.
Speaker 1: Mark Goldfetter on Twitter responded. He is the director of
the National Jewish Advocacy Center. He says the Immigration and
Nationality Act contains a number of activities for which a
person can be deemed ineligible based on security and related grounds.
There are nine grounds related to terrorism. Most of the
nine are not controversial at all, people engaging in terrorism, etc.
The one that has the left all indignant is ground
number seven. Any alien who endorses or espouses terrorist activity,
or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity, or
supports a terrorist organization. You say, Democrats, you are concerned
that this ground would violate the First Amendment rights of
somebody like Mackmood Khalil. Let's examine that first.
Speaker 2: Let us be clear. You're not arguing that he has
not endorsed or supported terror.
Speaker 1: I say this because if only you expressed any concern
about the people he has been terrifying over a year, right,
maybe I would have some sympathy for your crocodile tears now,
But you didn't, so I don't.
Speaker 2: So the question becomes.
Speaker 1: Are his first American First Amendment rights the exact same
as an American citizen's First Amendment rights. The answer may
surprise you, not exactly.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter. At least.
Speaker 1: Some First Amendment protections do apply differently to aliens than
they do to citizens, and there's law about it. Citizens
United for example, quote, the government routinely places special restrictions
on the speech rights of students, prisoners, members of the
armed forces, foreigners, and its own employees. When such restrictions
are justified by a legitimate governmental interest, they do not
necessarily raise constitutional problems. And so what would be a
legitimate governmental interest here? National security? That's your governmental interest.
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with me through the program again. Tomorrow tar Heel Basketball
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thing on Thursday. If they lose, then we're back on
full shows on Thursday. So Andrew McCarthy over at National
Review did a write up on this Machmoud Khalil story.
This has now become the cause to celeb The Left
needs a martyr here and this hamas hole a mouthpiece,
is going to be their guy. I don't know why
they insist on picking the worst people to be their spokespeople,
but it's what they do. Makmood Khalil a lawful permanent
resident alien right. Reportedly born in Syria but claims Palestinian ancestry,
Khalil has been a prominent figure in the pro Hamas
agitation at Columbia. The familiar array of Islamist organizations and
their media and Democratic Party allies is rallying to Khalil's defense.
The agitator's apologists contend that his arrest and the government's
plan to deport him are illegal. A lawyer for Khalil
has filed a suit in Manhattan Federal Court the Southern
District of New York because, of course, to try to
block deportation and compel his release. Koalill's allies are concerned
about reports that although he was arrested in Manhattan, where
he was living, the Trump Homeland Security Department had already
whisked him to a holding facility in Louisiana, perhaps hoping
to deport him before the courts can intervene, or at
least to try to litigate any lawsuits in a district
that the Trump administration hopes will be a little bit
more friendlier to the administration than the Southern District of
New York. Now today, the judge Jesse Furman ordered the
Trump administration not to remove Khalil from the United States,
at least until the Court can weigh in. This was
done to preserve jurisdiction over Khalil in the Southern District
of New York, even if the administration moves him elsewhere.
So then McCarthy looks at the argum mens he notes
Provision twelve twenty seven. In general, it says this, In general,
an alien whose presence or activities in the United States
the Secretary of State has reasonable ground to believe would
have potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United
States is deportable. Okay, So if the Secretary of State
has reasonable grounds to believe that there are serious, potential
serious adverse foreign policy consequences for a person's presence in America,
then the Secretary of State can have them deported. And
this is why you're probably hearing Marco Rubio's name thrown
around in this story, because that's the route that apparently
they're looking to take.
Speaker 2: That's one route.
Speaker 1: The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the executive branch
has broad discretion when it comes to national security judge
about which aliens may be admitted and which should be
expelled from the United States. Nevertheless, because this section says
secretary of State has to have reasonable grounds to believe
their presence would cause serious consequences, the lawyers for this guy, Khalil,
are going to argue that the court has authority to
review whether a Secretary Rubio's judgment is or is not
quote unquote reasonable. So that's one section twelve twenty seven,
or there's the other section eleven eighty two, which I
already read from, which seems like that's a more solid argument.
Speaker 2: To be made. So we shall see, we shall see.
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