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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI A six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go beyond the box score with Jackie Ray, and

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about how President Donald Trump, going over to

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<v Speaker 2>last week, has inserted himself into the world of sports

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<v Speaker 2>once again.

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<v Speaker 3>He has said publicly quote.

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<v Speaker 2>Over the next few weeks, I will be signing a

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<v Speaker 2>complete pardon of Pete Rose, who shouldn't have been gambling

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<v Speaker 2>on baseball, but only bet on his team winning. He

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<v Speaker 2>never betted against himself or the other team. He had

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<v Speaker 2>the most hits by far in baseball history and won

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<v Speaker 2>more games than anyone in sports history.

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<v Speaker 3>Close quote. First, good evening, Jackie Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Second, I worked in sports media for a few years

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<v Speaker 2>while this was happening, when Pete Rose specifically was banned

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<v Speaker 2>from baseball. Before we go forward, I have to say,

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<v Speaker 2>once again we are ahead of the curve talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the President inserting himself into sports. We can't then turn

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<v Speaker 2>around and say, hey, athletes, don't say anything political.

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<v Speaker 3>What say you?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, first of all, I want to say to young

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<v Speaker 4>people who are in school, this is what happens when

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<v Speaker 4>you don't do the reading. You get everything completely wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>Because if you were confused. If you're like Moe and

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<v Speaker 4>you knew about this when it was happening, this statement

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<v Speaker 4>was very confusing at first because you probably had to

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<v Speaker 4>google and say, was he convicted? Did he go to

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<v Speaker 4>prison for gambling? He did not go to prison for gambling.

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<v Speaker 4>He went to prison for tax evasion. And it was

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<v Speaker 4>only a few months at that, but it was well

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<v Speaker 4>after his career. So when you're pardoning Pete Rose, you're

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<v Speaker 4>not partying him for gambling. You're giving him a pardon

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<v Speaker 4>for tax evasion. It's not the same thing. So there's

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<v Speaker 4>a disconnect there for me.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, obviously President Trump is angling for Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Rose to be included in the Hall of Fame. Let

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<v Speaker 2>me bring everyone up to speed on some of the facts.

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<v Speaker 2>Major League Baseball and the National Baseball Hall of Fame

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<v Speaker 2>and Museum are separate entities. The latter is is operated

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<v Speaker 2>by a private foundation. As far as Major League Baseball goes,

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<v Speaker 2>Rule twenty one is what determined Pete Rose's fate, and

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<v Speaker 2>it reads as follows. Quote any player, umpire, or club,

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<v Speaker 2>or league official or employee who shall bet any sum

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<v Speaker 2>whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the

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<v Speaker 2>better has no duty to perform, shall be declared ineligible

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<v Speaker 2>for one year.

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<v Speaker 3>Part two.

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<v Speaker 2>Any player, umpire, club, or league official employee who shall

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<v Speaker 2>bet any sum whatsoever on any baseball game and connection

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<v Speaker 2>with which the better has a duty to perform, like

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Rose was a manager, shall be declared permanently ineligible.

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<v Speaker 2>Permanently is not for life. Permanently is to the end

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<v Speaker 2>of time. Now the National Baseball Hall of Fame in

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<v Speaker 2>Museum has this latitude. If Major League Baseball removed Rose

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<v Speaker 2>from the permanently ineligible list, it in no way binds

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<v Speaker 2>the Hall of Fame to also admit him. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>recap very quickly, and I'll bring you back in, Jackie Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>If you bet at all, it does not matter if

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<v Speaker 2>you bet on your team, you bet on someone else's team.

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<v Speaker 2>If you bet your team to win your team to lose,

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<v Speaker 2>you are permanently ineligible. Let me also break it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because you bet on your team to win does

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<v Speaker 2>not mean that you're not.

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<v Speaker 3>Doing a game of disservice.

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<v Speaker 2>For example, let's say, if I bet a sum of

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<v Speaker 2>money on this game tonight, and I'm the manager, I

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<v Speaker 2>may use a picture that I didn't plan to use,

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<v Speaker 2>and I may use him tonight, that means he's not

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<v Speaker 2>to be used tomorrow because of any max I am

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<v Speaker 2>impacting the game in a way which has to do

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<v Speaker 2>with betting, not the good of the team, using a

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<v Speaker 2>pinchhate or something. So there's no distinction made as to

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<v Speaker 2>whether you are betting on your team or against your team.

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<v Speaker 3>It is illegal, and it's illegal for good reason.

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<v Speaker 4>Because now, if you were to pardon this, if this

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<v Speaker 4>is the goal to pardon this situation, there sets a precedent.

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<v Speaker 4>And we've been talking about this for a long time.

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<v Speaker 4>This rabbit hole goes very deep as far as gambling.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you set a precedent that says to people, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>this is just going to be bad for me now,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's not going to damage my legacy, because that's

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<v Speaker 4>one of the reasons that should to prevent players from

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<v Speaker 4>wanting to gamble, because it's going to damage your legacy.

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<v Speaker 3>But if it's just a slap.

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<v Speaker 4>On the wrist, and then later you can get a

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<v Speaker 4>president to say, oh, you know, gambling is not that

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<v Speaker 4>bad as long as your ga I'm always gonna bet

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<v Speaker 4>on myself in life, you know. So that's kind of

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<v Speaker 4>a ridiculous statement to me. And he's setting a precedent

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<v Speaker 4>that I don't think anybody should pay attention to because

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<v Speaker 4>what do we talk about all the time the integrity

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<v Speaker 4>of the sport. And if you want sports to have integrity,

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<v Speaker 4>if you want the fans that watch the game to

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<v Speaker 4>think that there is a level of integrity in the game,

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<v Speaker 4>then you have to uphold these things, even if the

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<v Speaker 4>President of the United States does not.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a distinction there, And I want to highlight the

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<v Speaker 2>integrity of the game, which is different from integrity of

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<v Speaker 2>the person. Oftentimes I hear this argument, well, Ty Cobb

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<v Speaker 2>was a racist, so this person was an a hole,

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<v Speaker 2>and this person had sex out side of marriage. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not the integrity the person. You're talking about the integrity

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<v Speaker 2>of the game, the sport itself, and betting anyone who

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<v Speaker 2>plays baseball, professional baseball knows, rule to one it is

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<v Speaker 2>sacro saint. It is inarguable. There are no mitigating circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why shoeless Joe Jackson is not in the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame, and he still ain't in. When they say

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<v Speaker 2>permanently ineligible, they mean permanently ineligible. Now, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how much of a baseball fan President Trump is I

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<v Speaker 2>get the sense that he doesn't know much about baseball,

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<v Speaker 2>just being honest, because no one is disputing whether Pete

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<v Speaker 2>Rose has the player resume to be in the Hall

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<v Speaker 2>of Fame. It's the all time hits leader and manager

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<v Speaker 2>Charlie Hustle. I know his history, chapter and verse, but

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<v Speaker 2>rule twenty one until it changes, and I read that

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<v Speaker 2>a baseball commissioner is considering reviewing it until something happens.

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<v Speaker 2>He should not ever sniff the Hall of Fame because

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<v Speaker 2>the rules are presently as they.

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<v Speaker 4>Are, and I think the commissioner should not consider this.

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<v Speaker 4>And the reason why I say that is because when

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<v Speaker 4>we're talking about fans again, we have these rumors circling

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<v Speaker 4>every single season about every single sport that something is rigged.

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<v Speaker 4>And the only way that you can give the illusion

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<v Speaker 4>that that is not true is if you prevent gambling

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<v Speaker 4>by the players who play the game. And so again,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't want to set that precedence. And to your point,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think President Trump knows anything about many sports

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<v Speaker 4>because of the way that he talks about it, not

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<v Speaker 4>that he has to. You're the president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>You're supposed to be supposed to be good at that.

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<v Speaker 4>You're not supposed to be good at knowing what's going

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<v Speaker 4>on in sports. But if you want the fans to

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<v Speaker 4>have faith, even the President of the United States saying

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<v Speaker 4>this should be reconsidered, should have no precedents and how

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<v Speaker 4>you move as a league. So I really hope that

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<v Speaker 4>this is something that they just completely throw out the window.

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<v Speaker 2>And there are a lot of folks who are Johnny

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<v Speaker 2>cum Lately's who really don't even know the history of this.

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<v Speaker 2>If they want to relitigate it. Pete Rose agreed with

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<v Speaker 2>Major League Baseball on a permanent ban in nineteen eighty nine.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, yes, okay, I'll sign here, and he also

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<v Speaker 2>admitted to betting on baseball and betting on his own

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<v Speaker 2>team in his memoir he did by himself.

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<v Speaker 4>And a man that does this, let's be clear, a

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<v Speaker 4>man that is going to bet on the sport that

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<v Speaker 4>he plays suddenly telling you, yeah, but I only bet

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<v Speaker 4>on myself. If you take that verbatim, then that's a

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<v Speaker 4>you problem. You can't trust anything at that point. This man,

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<v Speaker 4>his integrity has been questioned and he has admitted to that.

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<v Speaker 3>So you can't.

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<v Speaker 4>Even though the president is saying he only bet on himself.

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<v Speaker 4>You're just taking his word for it, and there's no

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<v Speaker 4>proof of that. So this band has to stay indefinitely,

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<v Speaker 4>in my opinion, for.

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<v Speaker 3>The sake of the sport itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if you want to get into the politics of

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<v Speaker 2>it all and the optics of it all, yes, Rose

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<v Speaker 2>is a celebrated American figure, and there are those who

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<v Speaker 2>want to disregard his personal shortcomings which I haven't even

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<v Speaker 2>gotten into, as well as his gambling shortcomings. And if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a fan of the sport of baseball and you're

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<v Speaker 2>knowledgeable about the rules, pass go do not advance to

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<v Speaker 2>boardwalk when it comes to rule twenty one until that

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<v Speaker 2>rule changes, heat Rose is permanently ineligible, which is not

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<v Speaker 2>the same as for life. It means forever, forever, ever, forever, ever,

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<v Speaker 2>forever ever. And once again, here we are. We're back

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<v Speaker 2>with sports, gambling and also politics. It just seems like

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<v Speaker 2>they lay this stuff out here for.

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<v Speaker 4>Us because politics affect people, and who plays sports.

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<v Speaker 3>Say that again, Say that again.

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<v Speaker 4>Affect people, and people play sports.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why eventually they're gonna start listening to us, Jackie Ray,

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to start listening to us.

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<v Speaker 3>And when we come back let's stay right here with baseball.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that baseball is right now testing technology

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<v Speaker 2>that could render umpires obsolete. They are testing automated ball

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<v Speaker 2>strike systems to be used at least right now in

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<v Speaker 2>the minor leagues, and it might be in the major league.

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<v Speaker 2>So talk about that. Will we come back. It's Later

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<v Speaker 2>with Mo Kelly. I'm joined by Jackie Ray as we

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<v Speaker 2>It's Later with Mo Kelly, and we're still going beyond

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<v Speaker 2>on the iHeartRadio app. Well, you can't say that robot

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<v Speaker 2>umpires are here in major league baseball as we continue

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about baseball, but a version of an automated

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<v Speaker 2>strike zone is being tested right now during spring training,

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<v Speaker 2>and the ABS Challenge System as it's called, is being implemented.

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<v Speaker 2>The system will be in place at thirteen stadiums and

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<v Speaker 2>in more than sixty percent of spring training games across

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<v Speaker 2>Arizona and Florida. Let's get to the real issue here.

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<v Speaker 2>Baseball has been very slow to change, and part of

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<v Speaker 2>that slowness is due to the fact that baseball likes

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<v Speaker 2>to pride itself on tradition and history from its stats,

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<v Speaker 2>and now the game is played where it's pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>the same today as it was seventy eighty years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But with the advent of technic aology, they've been really

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<v Speaker 2>really slow. Basketball was quicker to adopt replay. You had

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<v Speaker 2>tennis and soccer and hockey adopting more complicated, more sophisticated technology.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as determination of line violations and goals, Baseball

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<v Speaker 2>has always hung on to the idea of there's acceptable

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<v Speaker 2>human error. I've never agreed with that. I would rather

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<v Speaker 2>have the call correct. Where do you come out on this.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm somewhere in the middle. I understand this that the

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<v Speaker 4>instant replay has been a huge deal.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously, you need that.

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<v Speaker 4>We've seen several calls, no matter if you're a football

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<v Speaker 4>fan or a basketball fan, we've seen you had to

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<v Speaker 4>reverse calls. It was I think it was Joel somebody

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<v Speaker 4>just got to ejected from a basketball game and they

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<v Speaker 4>had to go look at the replay, like, nope, just

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<v Speaker 4>bring it Joel and b Yeah, bring them back. So

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<v Speaker 4>these kinds of things really help the integrity of the

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<v Speaker 4>sport and then lets you get it right. On the

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<v Speaker 4>flip side. My coach used to always tell me, if

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<v Speaker 4>it comes down to the call of a ref, you

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<v Speaker 4>already lost that game anyway. So it really doesn't make

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<v Speaker 4>that much of an impact. But we've seen this, especially

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<v Speaker 4>in the NFL. Yes, it does because if that game

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<v Speaker 4>is closed, it can come down to it. So I

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<v Speaker 4>understand both sides of it. I think that this is

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<v Speaker 4>great that the baseball is trying to take a leap because,

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<v Speaker 4>like you said, they've been really big on tradition, but

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<v Speaker 4>traditionally we like to make our lives easier and we

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<v Speaker 4>like to respect the integrity of the sport and know

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<v Speaker 4>that it's right.

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe that's a little.

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<v Speaker 4>Bit of human error is fine, but coming down to

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<v Speaker 4>affecting a lot of plays when their answer is right

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<v Speaker 4>there is completely unnecessary.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think this is a good move. Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>During spring training, teams will get two challenges per game

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<v Speaker 2>and will only lose a challenge if it is unsuccessful.

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<v Speaker 2>Only a batter, pitcher, or catcher can challenge a call,

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<v Speaker 2>not the manager, which they will indicate by tapping their head.

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<v Speaker 2>They have to do so immediately after the pitch, without

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<v Speaker 2>assistance from the manager or players in the dugout. It's

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<v Speaker 2>called hawkeye tracking technology. It will be then used to

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<v Speaker 2>display on the video board showing whether the pitch was

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<v Speaker 2>a strike or not. On average, the challenge at the

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<v Speaker 2>Triple A level, which is one level below Major League level,

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<v Speaker 2>has taken seventeen seconds to complete. But this is almost

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<v Speaker 2>counterintuitive because they tried to speed up the game right

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<v Speaker 2>with the pitch clock. I understand why they're testing, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's just gonna show up umps. Why don't we just

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<v Speaker 2>get to the end. This is where all this is headed.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you just bring in the technology. Professional hockey,

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<v Speaker 2>the officials don't determine it. It's done electronically. Same with

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<v Speaker 2>soccer as well. Professional soccer, and we know the lines

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<v Speaker 2>in tennis, Yeah, they have a judge up, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>technology that gets to determine it. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 2>it's taking so long. Let's hurry up. You're only talking

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<v Speaker 2>about let's say, I don't know, one hundred umpires. Just

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<v Speaker 2>bringing the technology and move on.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree with that, just speed up the process. I

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<v Speaker 4>get the wondering if it's going to slow down the game,

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<v Speaker 4>but let's speed this up, because that's what we've seen

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<v Speaker 4>work across other leagues. We've talked about it, and then

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<v Speaker 4>we've tried it. We haven't talked about it and then

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<v Speaker 4>tested it out in the G League or what we've

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<v Speaker 4>talked about it, and then we've done it. And then

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<v Speaker 4>when you do it, because here's in my opinion, there's

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<v Speaker 4>a level of well, we're just trying it out. So

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<v Speaker 4>the urgency to get this right and get it to

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<v Speaker 4>perform at a high level quickly just isn't there. So no,

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<v Speaker 4>just get it done. Let's just move it right into

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<v Speaker 4>the majors right now. Let's just get it done. That's

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<v Speaker 4>one thing I do like about the NFL. It's much

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, we're going to change the kickoff rule,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to change overtime rule. They make it happen

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<v Speaker 2>and keep moving and then they'll take it as they go.

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<v Speaker 3>Baseball not so much part of it. I do understand.

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<v Speaker 2>They're probably gradually bringing along their fandom to understand it

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<v Speaker 2>and receive it. In the ways that they've disallowed the

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<v Speaker 2>shift in the outfield, in the way that they've made.

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<v Speaker 2>Change as far as how many pitching changes you can

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<v Speaker 3>Baseball has done better.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is the biggest change, which I think would

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<v Speaker 2>be great for everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>Just get the right call.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't need someone behind the plate using their human

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<v Speaker 2>judgment to do it. Just get the right call off

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<v Speaker 2>as the striker or not. I can go into all

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<v Speaker 2>the zone percentages and how be determined. That's neither here

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<v Speaker 2>nor there. Just make it happy. We have the technology right.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, I appreciate respecting and honoring the fan

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<v Speaker 4>base and moving things slowly, but I can tell you

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<v Speaker 4>right now the fan base is used to things moving quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>Nobody in that fan base probably has the very first

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<v Speaker 4>in a society now where we're trained to move with

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<v Speaker 4>the times. So all you have to do is move

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<v Speaker 4>with the times and say, hey, we're moving into the.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty first century. That's all you have to say.

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<v Speaker 4>People are going to go with it because they're trained

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<v Speaker 4>to it, and if they're not, trust me, they will

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<v Speaker 4>come around. Because at some point a robot is going

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<v Speaker 4>to deliver food to them, and they're going to think

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<v Speaker 4>the robot is cute. They're not going to say to themselves,

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<v Speaker 4>I wish a human had brought mind. They're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to say that. No, that's not the time that we

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<v Speaker 4>live in. Capitalize that everybody is kind of technologically sound

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<v Speaker 4>and we're moving forward, and how can we make our

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<v Speaker 4>lives easier. That's how we're all mentally that we all

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<v Speaker 4>have that in common. We all understand that life is

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<v Speaker 4>going to get very interesting with the advent of AI

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<v Speaker 3>We all understand that.

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<v Speaker 4>So don't think that people are going to be slow

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<v Speaker 4>to understand what's happening in their day to day lives anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>that's not going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack Rays, good to see you. We'll talk soon, Talk

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<v Speaker 3>too soon.

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