WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.800 It's a Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast special report. The Lapse 2 00:00:19.879 --> 00:00:24.719 Fan presents the Complete Hulk Cogan, a real American story. 3 00:00:25.120 --> 00:00:26.839 We're brought to you by Garage Pierre. 4 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:30.199 All Right, folks, the Complete Hulk Hogan continues to unfold 5 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.759 here on The Lapsed Fan with so many twists and 6 00:00:32.799 --> 00:00:35.880 turns and surprises. We're learning so much more about Terry 7 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:38.320 Boley's early days than we ever expected to. You've heard 8 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:41.399 from Vic Pettitt, who was one of his close buds 9 00:00:41.439 --> 00:00:43.960 growing up, and it just it just keeps going because 10 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:47.520 if folks are willing to tell us and color in 11 00:00:47.600 --> 00:00:50.600 our idea of where Hulk Hogan came from, we are 12 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.520 all ears and we are privileged to be joined here 13 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.359 this time by Gary Barris. Now, Gary was Terry Bolay's 14 00:00:57.399 --> 00:00:59.799 friend going back to fourth grade in Tampa. And you 15 00:00:59.880 --> 00:01:02.640 might also know Gary as a member of Hulk's first band, 16 00:01:02.880 --> 00:01:06.280 Infinity's End, which was formed in high school and set 17 00:01:06.319 --> 00:01:08.840 him on the course. So Gary, we want to thank 18 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:12.359 you so much for being here. Yeah, you're welcome, excellent, 19 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:15.200 excellent to have you, and I guess we should start 20 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:18.680 as soon as early as we can, because until connecting 21 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.760 with you, I did not realize that your friendship with 22 00:01:20.879 --> 00:01:23.439 Terry began before high school and the whole band thing. 23 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:25.519 Where did you meet him? How did it start? 24 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:30.959 We met at Balisfoyta Elementary in fourth grade. I think 25 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:33.519 we had class together up but he was missus Post 26 00:01:34.439 --> 00:01:39.560 and we would we'd walk home from school together. We 27 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:41.879 would we would go down Balasfoyne Boulevard. Do we got 28 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:44.640 to McDill Boulevard. He would go right to go to 29 00:01:44.680 --> 00:01:46.400 Paul Avenue and I would go left to go to 30 00:01:46.519 --> 00:01:51.159 Leeld Avenue, and we just we're friends ever since then. 31 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:52.959 I don't remember why we ate it off. 32 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.400 We just, you know, sometimes that just happens, absolutely, And 33 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.680 so you were able to JP you want to go ahead? 34 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:01.439 No, No, I was just gonna say, yeah, I definitely happens. 35 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:04.359 So many friends that I had when I was that age. 36 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:06.719 You don't even I don't eve remember how I became 37 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:08.879 friends with some of these people. It just kind of happened. 38 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:12.360 I totally identify with that going back that far. So 39 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:14.800 you knew his parents as well, and Vic told us 40 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:17.080 some great stories about Ruth and Pete, and I'm just 41 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:19.080 fascinated by the home they kept, what it was like 42 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:20.879 going to visit Terry at his house when he was 43 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:23.680 a kid, and what they were like Any Ruth and 44 00:02:23.719 --> 00:02:24.800 Pete stories you can share. 45 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:31.879 Yeah, One thing we did is we made Ruth some 46 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:34.560 end tables and shop class. I made one and Terry 47 00:02:34.599 --> 00:02:37.639 made one. She was just tickled to death with those things. 48 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:40.120 They were in there the living room for a long 49 00:02:40.240 --> 00:02:45.360 long time to come. The thing about Pete was he 50 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:48.520 worked for I was really construction, just out in the 51 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:52.759 just brutal job you know, do an asphalt and anything. 52 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:54.960 Anything he had anything to do with it was just hot. 53 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:59.479 And he used to come home from work and just 54 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:03.560 be read, uh you know, not not just sunburned, but 55 00:03:03.560 --> 00:03:06.840 but just from the heat. And one thing he'd like 56 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:08.479 to do when he when he came in the door, 57 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:11.759 he would like, uh, would ask Ruth to fix him 58 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:13.039 with Boultvanell ice cream. 59 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:15.520 Yes, yes, so uh. 60 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.520 And he would just sit there and cool off with 61 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:22.919 that ice cream. And he'd like to have Hershey's chocolate 62 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.560 on it. And this was this was back of the day. 63 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:29.280 Hershey' chocolate came in a can, just like you get 64 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:31.719 a kind of suit nowadays. You know, you had to 65 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:35.560 open it up and pour it on there and one day, he's, uh, 66 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.000 he's singing, Ruth, when did they start putting nuts in 67 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:43.639 this Hershey's chocolate? She goes, they don't nuts in Hershey's chocolate. 68 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:46.599 What are you talking about? So she opened up the 69 00:03:46.639 --> 00:03:49.520 cupboard because they kept it in the cupboard instead of refrigerator, 70 00:03:50.039 --> 00:03:53.240 and she looked in some some nice crunchy roaches had 71 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:53.919 gotten in there. 72 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:59.680 No, no, no, I clearly did not warn JP Gary 73 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:04.479 about that. Oh Jesus, what did he do? 74 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:04.759 Did he? 75 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:05.280 Did he bar? 76 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:07.800 That's my funniest Pete story that I that I could 77 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:10.560 think of. And he was such a little guy, but 78 00:04:10.639 --> 00:04:11.439 such a nice guy. 79 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:13.879 Yeah, yeah, So he didn't overreact to it. Did he 80 00:04:13.919 --> 00:04:15.879 shrug it off? Did he just eating roaches or what? 81 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:21.720 Oh? Yeah, yeah, he just he didn't finish it. But 82 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:23.199 you know, he didn't go in the bathroom and throw 83 00:04:23.279 --> 00:04:23.879 up or anything. 84 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:27.519 So it seems like I'm pushing it off the tables 85 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:27.879 a little bit. 86 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.000 Yeah, I'm good with that things. 87 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:32.199 Yeah. Yeah, he was a tough little guy though. Yeah. 88 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:36.399 One other thing we used to do is sometimes Ruth 89 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.680 would see Terry and I first started playing together. I 90 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:42.879 think it was actually junior high. We were fifteen years old. 91 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:46.959 We weren't weren't even old enough to drive yet. Dad 92 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.360 used to have to ren new hall trailer and take 93 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:58.560 our equipment around for us. And Terry you know, had 94 00:04:58.560 --> 00:05:00.879 that like like you like you mentioned before he hit 95 00:05:00.959 --> 00:05:03.360 that big head. He looked looked so much older than 96 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:06.399 his age. And sometimes Ruth would would ride to work 97 00:05:06.439 --> 00:05:09.360 with somebody and Terry knight hopping her white and Vala 98 00:05:09.920 --> 00:05:12.120 and we just go cruising during the summer. You know, 99 00:05:15.800 --> 00:05:17.879 I remember the keys were hanging right there by the door. 100 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:20.199 It was just just just too much temptation. But of 101 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:22.600 course we never got stopped or anything. Uh you know, 102 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:27.160 Terry uh certainly certainly looked looked over his age. 103 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:29.720 He looked at you. He looked the part now as 104 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:32.680 far as your earliest music with him, and we'll get 105 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.079 to the whole Infinity's end story. Of course, don't want 106 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:36.759 to jump the gun, but he does mention in one 107 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:38.920 of his books that his very first band was called 108 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:42.120 the Plastic Pleasure Palace. And this is something that never 109 00:05:42.199 --> 00:05:43.720 left the garage, So I don't know if you'd even 110 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:45.639 call it a band, and then it didn't perform or anything. 111 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:46.639 Do you remember that at all? 112 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:54.519 No, unless that was, Uh, this is the earliest musical 113 00:05:54.519 --> 00:05:57.120 thing he was. It was a full name Jack Nugent 114 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.120 that formed a band and they used to practic just 115 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:05.199 over it over at Jack's house. And that's the first 116 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.800 band that I knew of that Terry was in. I 117 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.439 think they only played once or twice. As matter of fact, 118 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.720 I wrote I wrote with them to the gig. I 119 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:17.279 think the only paid once or twice at local community centers. 120 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:18.839 I see. 121 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.879 But if you if you'd like to know how when 122 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.360 Terry first got in the band, I was. I was 123 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:30.959 playing the lead guitar and another very very good friend 124 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:36.040 of Terry's, Wash Chet Yoakam, Chet was playing drums, and 125 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:40.160 we had a keyboard player named Lee, and Lee left 126 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:42.279 the band and we were trying to find a keyboard 127 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:46.279 player and we couldn't find a keyboard player. Uh. And 128 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:50.040 this was a practice one time. So my mom said, Gary, 129 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:52.920 if you want learn how to play you know, keyboards. 130 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.439 She says, I don't have to play piano, and we 131 00:06:55.480 --> 00:06:58.720 can get you one week and you can learn. I said, okay, 132 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:01.879 why not? So Chet says, well, that would work out 133 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:04.920 really good because Terry has been telling me he wants 134 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:08.959 to be in the band. M Well, Terry at the 135 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.680 tie at that very moment, was over at Jack's house 136 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:15.319 practicing with that band. Well, you know, Chet, being the 137 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:20.040 good friend that he was, he had a little ninety 138 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:23.800 c C Honda motorcycle, which back back then we thought 139 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:26.920 that was a big bike. And he went over to 140 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:32.720 Jack's house and Terry took his guitar and he put 141 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:34.519 it around his back, you know, so the strapp was 142 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:35.879 on the front of him and the back was and 143 00:07:35.920 --> 00:07:38.480 the guitar was hanging out the back got on the 144 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.240 back of Chet's motorcycle and he brought him over to 145 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:42.000 Arur practice. 146 00:07:42.040 --> 00:07:43.800 Wow, and he plugged in. 147 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:46.959 And that's that's how Terry joined Infinity's End. 148 00:07:47.800 --> 00:07:50.800 So Infinity's End existed for how long before Terry got involved? 149 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:53.399 Oh? Not long. 150 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:59.040 Yearrish got it. So he shows up and tell me 151 00:07:59.079 --> 00:08:02.240 about his jobs and was he really good from the beginning? 152 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:03.360 Did he get better? How did it go? 153 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.560 He was good. He had he had taken music lessons 154 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:11.240 from a guy named Mike, you know, the professionally taught. 155 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:14.920 Mike was in a band called The Opposite Sexist, and 156 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:18.879 he was good. Mike taught hem, you know, the right 157 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.680 way to learn, practice your scales and things, and Terry 158 00:08:22.720 --> 00:08:29.319 played lead guitar uh in the beginning. Later on we 159 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:34.399 were practicing, we were learning the song by Yes, and 160 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:39.279 Terry's big old fingers just couldn't move fast. And the 161 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.960 bass player David, David could play anything, so right there 162 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.639 at practice they just swapped, you know, and Terry started 163 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.519 playing bass and David, you know, played guitar. But Terry 164 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:59.519 was a really good, really good, solid guitar player. He 165 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:03.840 just you know, he had two different sides. He had 166 00:09:03.919 --> 00:09:09.320 kind of a mild meek side. One time we were 167 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.799 playing UH at an old airplane hangar at Lakeland Air 168 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:16.279 Force Base, and the band that went on before us 169 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:22.960 were so so good blues band, just three of them, uh. 170 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:25.120 And so we went to go up on stage, and 171 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:28.399 we were we were all pretty nervous. Uh. Terry was 172 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:32.799 exceptionally nervous. And I looked over and he was trying 173 00:09:32.799 --> 00:09:35.159 to plug his guitar and his amp and his hand 174 00:09:35.320 --> 00:09:37.639 was shaking and I had to reach up and put 175 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.039 my hand around his and put it in there. But 176 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:46.799 once things got going, he was a real showman, once 177 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:48.679 he got past that little bit of stage fright that 178 00:09:48.720 --> 00:09:53.559 he sometimes had. Mom used to make his clothes and 179 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.759 he would get we would we would wear these satiney 180 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:01.440 looking long sleeve balloon shirts and he would have her 181 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:08.799 so all kinds of fringe on it, a real long fringe, 182 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:11.360 and then then he would have her take his bill 183 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:16.320 bottom pants and make it even bigger. But he had 184 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:18.759 this kind of kind of shy sight sometimes. But then 185 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:21.200 what he got on stage, it was a whole different thing, 186 00:10:21.960 --> 00:10:25.559 and he used to really really show off. We used 187 00:10:25.559 --> 00:10:27.320 to play some grand folk where I wrote them things, 188 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:29.960 and he did a really fine job on those. 189 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:32.720 JP had strikes me we have a chance here with 190 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:36.679 Gary to get something potentially that Vic couldn't quite convey. 191 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.200 We want to know that the voice, right, JP. We 192 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:40.759 want to know what it sounded like to talk to 193 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:42.440 Terry before he was hul hilgan. 194 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.919 You know, before before the voice dropped and he had 195 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:48.320 that deep voice. I tried, I'm trying to picture and 196 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:51.080 I just what it what it sounded like? 197 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:55.519 What did he talk like as a kid, He. 198 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:57.360 Just sounded like and the other little kid he did. 199 00:10:57.399 --> 00:10:59.159 He didn't say brother all the time or not. 200 00:10:59.559 --> 00:11:03.080 His voice did not match his body. How so Gary, 201 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:09.080 well it was just kind of meek and mild. He 202 00:11:09.360 --> 00:11:15.639 hadn't got that low hold hook and but I remember 203 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:18.799 the first time I saw him was on Johnny Carson 204 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:23.200 as a matter of fact. In fact, they showed a 205 00:11:23.240 --> 00:11:28.120 picture of his third grade class and that's when he 206 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.360 was talking about hook mania and things. And I was 207 00:11:31.399 --> 00:11:34.600 surprised that how his voice sounded. Now, as far as 208 00:11:34.639 --> 00:11:39.960 I know, he did a voiceover in Rocky, Yeah, I was. 209 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.080 It in post production like he does. He's not mouthing 210 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:42.919 the words, he's. 211 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:46.679 Oh yeah, he's mouthing the words. But I believe it 212 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.320 was a voiceover. It did not sound like him to me. 213 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:52.600 Well, like somebody else did a voice interesting. 214 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:57.799 Right, right, that's my understanding. I can't say that for gospel, 215 00:11:57.879 --> 00:11:59.840 but it did not sound like him. 216 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:01.919 To jump ahead a bit, I mean, that's got to 217 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:03.720 be a trip. You see this guy who you know 218 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:05.279 has some showing in him, like you said once the 219 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:08.000 music ongoing, but who also could be very meek and 220 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:10.399 mild mannered, who didn't have that big boisterous voice, who's 221 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.559 trembling plugging into the MP And then you know, ten 222 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:17.240 years later he's on national television screaming and hollering with 223 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:20.080 this deep timber and going nuts that. That must have 224 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.639 been weird to see Terry boleo or did you even 225 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:23.919 see him in that guy anymore? 226 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:29.279 Yeah? Yes, and no. What I used to tell Terry 227 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:33.519 was apparently got over stage right friends, you know, but 228 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:36.600 farently he got over his stage right. Uh. It was 229 00:12:36.639 --> 00:12:39.600 a little it was a little surreal to see him, 230 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:43.320 to see him like that, But you know, he's always 231 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:48.159 been just Terry to me. You know that that's my 232 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:50.960 memories of him. You know, I was playing hanging out 233 00:12:50.960 --> 00:12:52.679 together and playing in the band together. 234 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:57.000 When you uh were outfitted. Because he talks about this 235 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:58.559 in his book a bit. Your dad was kind of 236 00:12:58.559 --> 00:13:00.679 the manager of Infinity's end, and your mom was involved, 237 00:13:00.679 --> 00:13:03.799 as you said, in the outfitting and the costuming, right. Yes, 238 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.240 he remembers in his second book it is missus Barres 239 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:10.279 used to paint peace signs and daisies on our pants 240 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.240 with black light paint that would glow on stage. So 241 00:13:12.279 --> 00:13:14.000 you guys would kill the lights at a certain point. 242 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:15.159 Was that part of the presentation? 243 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:17.879 Yeah, and turn and turn on the black lights and 244 00:13:17.879 --> 00:13:22.279 then our pats would light up. It's almost embarrassing right 245 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:25.440 now to talk about, but it was really cool back then, 246 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:25.679 you know. 247 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:28.480 Yeah, that counts as a special effense. Yeah, it's kind 248 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:31.320 of like crazy technology for the time, all right, got it, 249 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.559 So I can picture that now. He also said she 250 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:35.679 also made us wear socks with our penny loafers, and 251 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:40.080 if we didn't, we'd get fined five dollars. Is that true? 252 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:46.159 Terry used to tell a lot of half truths. I 253 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.080 could name quite a few. 254 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:50.240 Oh, we'll get them by the time we're done. 255 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:53.799 He didn't like to wear socks, and and mom and 256 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.000 dad tried to get him to wear socks, but he 257 00:13:56.120 --> 00:14:00.120 never got fined for not wearing socks, all right. He 258 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:02.360 also mentions in the in the in the book that 259 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:07.399 we did this synchronized movements when we were playing dance. 260 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:10.440 How about how about fell on the floor laughing when 261 00:14:10.480 --> 00:14:10.919 I read that. 262 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.720 Wow, you guys were stationary. 263 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:19.480 He couldn't dance to save his life. 264 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:23.960 Oh my god, that's tremendous. Yeah, I just god. It's 265 00:14:23.960 --> 00:14:27.240 so it's so interesting, Grek, because so many wrestlers, especially 266 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:31.600 in that era, came from athletics, especially in Tampa. I 267 00:14:31.639 --> 00:14:33.440 mean so many college football. 268 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:36.360 Players, even from Robinson High School. 269 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.759 Right, absolutely, Steve Kern and the Grahams and and others 270 00:14:39.759 --> 00:14:42.159 at Leslie. Uh, and they were in their athletes. And 271 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:44.559 you know, Kerry did play little league baseball and dabbled 272 00:14:44.600 --> 00:14:46.200 a bit in football. We know this from looking at 273 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.720 his history. And he bowled, of course, but by the time, 274 00:14:48.919 --> 00:14:50.720 by the time he's with you guys and plugged into 275 00:14:50.720 --> 00:14:54.240 the music, he's not an athlete. It's so fascinating that 276 00:14:54.279 --> 00:14:57.000 he became a pro wrestler without that sort of you know, 277 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.600 collegiate athletic pedigree at all. 278 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:03.000 Right, he had, he had ability, but that wasn't what 279 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:06.679 he pursued, you know, he had he had no interest 280 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:09.279 in going out and for the football team and things 281 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:11.639 like that. Now the coach didn't like the idea that 282 00:15:12.000 --> 00:15:18.000 he wouldn't go out. And we had long hair, and uh, 283 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:20.879 he and I went to get our senior class done. 284 00:15:20.960 --> 00:15:23.480 We're playing at a club called the White Rabbit over 285 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:28.440 in Saint Petersburg on Treasure Island. And during that, you know, 286 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:32.039 it was summertime. Our hair was good and long. We 287 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:33.840 were swimming in the pool every day and then to 288 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:37.720 try the next day. Well, and he and I went 289 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:40.679 to get our senior pictures taken at Brown Island Studios. 290 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.639 Our hair was down to our shoulders, and so we 291 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.159 had our pictures taken. You know, we went back and 292 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:48.480 did our own goofy thing, you know, playing in the 293 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.440 club and trying to meet girls during the day. And 294 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.039 they called us up and they said, uh, you're you're 295 00:15:58.080 --> 00:16:01.519 you're not going to be in the in high Why 296 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:03.080 is that because your hair is too long? 297 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:03.720 Oh my god? 298 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.879 Really so so he so, mom, cut is in my 299 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:11.399 hair and we went and had to have it redone again. 300 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:14.960 But as a matter of fact, I was supposed to 301 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:17.360 be and I was in the top tim percent uh 302 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.559 of the class. In graduation. I was supposed to be 303 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:24.039 with the honor students. And I didn't know that I 304 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:26.159 graduated with honors till after I got my diploma, and 305 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:28.000 I said, what's just stand there in the corner. 306 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:29.320 Oh my goodness, because your. 307 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.600 Hair was because that was because the dean of boys 308 00:16:32.600 --> 00:16:34.840 didn't like either one of us. The coach didn't like 309 00:16:34.919 --> 00:16:38.000 Terry for not going out for football. Of course, the 310 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.039 coach didn't like either one of us for having long hair. 311 00:16:42.080 --> 00:16:45.240 And uh, like I said, I think it was the 312 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:47.720 dean that was behind neither one of us was going 313 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:52.159 to be in the in the high school annual and 314 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:57.320 uh that that just was the way it was, uh 315 00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:01.159 sab Yeah, yeah, yeah. 316 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:03.360 Well that's something because Terry, as you probably know Gary's, 317 00:17:03.399 --> 00:17:06.759 he became a wrestling superstar and had that pole position 318 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:08.960 to protect. He kind of got the reputation of a 319 00:17:08.960 --> 00:17:11.000 guy who was always looking over his shoulder at the 320 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:13.680 next potential guy that was coming for his, you know, spot, 321 00:17:13.799 --> 00:17:16.640 and he was a master at staying relevant and on top. 322 00:17:17.039 --> 00:17:19.079 Did he have any like, I don't know, for lack 323 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.960 of a better term, like paranoid qualities, But even back then, 324 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:24.119 was he very like self conscious about how he was 325 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:25.440 perceived and things like that. 326 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:29.640 Well, he was very sufagious about his appearance. Yeah, he 327 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.839 always was thought he had ahead that was bigger anybody 328 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.880 else's and he wasn't. You know, that was part of 329 00:17:37.920 --> 00:17:42.920 his course sort of shy side and he was heavy. 330 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:46.279 He was heavy when he was playing baseball. But he 331 00:17:46.279 --> 00:17:48.720 could still play baseball just fine. He can pitch, he 332 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:56.599 could knock him over the fence. But he never was 333 00:17:56.640 --> 00:18:00.200 really paranoid so to speak of Okay, but of that 334 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.079 shy side and those those things that he was he 335 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:05.480 was embarrassed up now. We could never get him to 336 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:09.440 talk into a microphone. R. Wow, do you want to 337 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:11.079 do you want to sing? Nope? Do you want a 338 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:13.319 microphone so you can at least talk to the people? Nope, 339 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:16.240 that's just that never happened. 340 00:18:16.599 --> 00:18:17.240 That's wild. 341 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:21.200 Like I said, he got over his stage right again. 342 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.160 Just but I because I to kind of a piggyback 343 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:28.799 on Jack's question there, because we've seen a bunch of 344 00:18:28.839 --> 00:18:32.400 the band photos, and what I find interesting is that 345 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:36.319 in most of them, and like different bands too, not all, 346 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:39.000 not just an Infinity's end, but he's always in the back. 347 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.400 Terry was always in the back, and he kind of 348 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:45.559 had everyone else in front. And I don't know it, 349 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:47.920 just it seemed it seemed interesting to me because he's 350 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.000 such a powerful presence and made me wonder why he 351 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:53.119 always wanted to kind of stay behind everybody and not, 352 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:55.039 you know, be in front of anybody. 353 00:18:55.519 --> 00:18:58.519 Well, to be honest with you, if he'd had been 354 00:18:58.559 --> 00:19:01.279 out front with the rest of us, it was like 355 00:19:01.319 --> 00:19:03.160 the jolly green giant we looked. 356 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:04.880 Like, right, It's true, that's true. 357 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:13.319 Though I think the the photographer that we used probably 358 00:19:13.359 --> 00:19:14.480 placed him back there. 359 00:19:14.880 --> 00:19:17.559 Got him. He didn't want to He didn't want to 360 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:19.160 keep an eye on anybody. He didn't want to keep 361 00:19:19.160 --> 00:19:20.519 an eye on everybody or anything like that. 362 00:19:20.640 --> 00:19:23.920 Yeah, yeah, right now, he may have gravitated back there. 363 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.319 I don't really know, but I imagine that was the 364 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:29.359 photographer that did. Yeah, yeah, that he probably didn't mind. 365 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.319 He probably didn't mind. Yeah, you can echo that for sure. 366 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:36.680 Something else in the book, he remembers your dad, uh 367 00:19:36.759 --> 00:19:39.680 taking everything very seriously. He says, whatever the gig was, 368 00:19:39.720 --> 00:19:42.000 we would play forty minutes, then take a twenty minute break. 369 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:43.880 We couldn't be late, we couldn't break too early. 370 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:44.359 Uh. 371 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:45.839 He kind of took some of the fun out of 372 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:48.119 it with all that discipline. But the thing was, we were 373 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:50.000 junior high kids, and we were actually making money at 374 00:19:50.000 --> 00:19:52.440 this on the weekends. So it's interesting he describes it 375 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:55.279 not as like always this like just kids being kids. 376 00:19:55.279 --> 00:19:57.839 It kind of became a professionalized thing. Can can you 377 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:02.039 help us understand? Kind of did you have dad seriously? Yeah? 378 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.039 Well, that that was the reason we were making money, 379 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.480 and the rest of them we're still playing in their garages, right, 380 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:12.440 you know, Dad, Dad, he was the manager at every 381 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:15.279 sense of the word. If we had if we had 382 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:18.720 a potential place to play, he would go meet with 383 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.440 either the club owner or and we used to pay 384 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:24.440 out the base a whole lot. And he was an 385 00:20:24.440 --> 00:20:27.000 air traffic controller and he could get on base anytime 386 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:32.519 and kind of talked to Lingo and he would he 387 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.079 would make the arrangements. So he felt a lot of responsibility. 388 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:38.720 And he would say, they'll show up on time. You know, 389 00:20:38.799 --> 00:20:41.599 they'll they'll do what they're supposed to do. He says, 390 00:20:41.599 --> 00:20:43.480 I'll make sure they don't play too loud, and that 391 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:47.279 that he did. But it was because of his discipline 392 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.359 that we were successful. And uh, Terry and I played 393 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:55.039 together about five years. He and I were the longest 394 00:20:55.039 --> 00:20:57.640 standing members of Infinities in well, I was the longest 395 00:20:57.640 --> 00:21:05.720 because I started it. But he he he, we've lasted. Gosh, 396 00:21:05.759 --> 00:21:08.160 we lasted a lot longer than most most kids, you know, 397 00:21:08.240 --> 00:21:11.359 stayed together. We were we started junior high and then 398 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.319 we finished up playing together probably about two years after 399 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.559 high school something like that. And I still sat it 400 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.400 in with some of his other bands when they were shorthanded. 401 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:23.079