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much for joining us for this special midweek episode of
Dogman Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you being here. As the
years of tick By, it's been over ten now, there
have been certain episodes that really stand out that caught
the listener's attention more than others due to the creep
factor of the encounters that have been talked about and shared. Well,
tonight's guest Hondo, he was featured on episode one thirty,
and there's just something about the nature of his encounter
that really got a lot of attention and seemed to
stay on people's minds. Well, it had been a while
since I had heard from Honda. I think I heard
from him about a year, maybe a year and a
half ago. He just reached out to me to touch
base with me, but I didn't have any thoughts about
him ever coming back on the show. I was hoping
that after he had those experiences that he talked about
in episode one thirty, that that would be it. Well,
I didn't realize it, but he had already started having
experiences after that episode aired, and it really makes me
wonder what the future might hold for him. Well, with
all that said, let's not waste any more time. Let's
bring him in here now, Hondo, thanks so much for
coming back.
Speaker 1: Hey, mister Gundiff, how are you, sir?
Speaker 2: I'm doing good. But do me a favor and please
just call me vic, call me mister Kundiff. It's like
putting a screen door in a submarine. It just doesn't fit.
Speaker 1: I understand that, sir. I've been in one of those
and it wasn't a great experience.
Speaker 2: Now I bet it wasn't. Yeah, that couldn't have been
a good time, Hondo. Since it's been so long, it's
been over seventy years now, since you're featured on that show,
episode one thirty, I'm sure there are a lot of
listeners who missed that episode, or maybe they're just trying
to catch up on all the episodes out there. With
that in mind, please give us a bio on yourself.
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, I go by the name Hondo. That's my
call sign of military. I've got over Oh god, twenty
six years military experience over twenty four with special operations.
Retired out. I'm an avid hunter, love bear hunting, love
running my bar hounds, fishing, camping, you know, just a
just to have it outdoorsman. Try to be a peaceful guy.
But you know, sometimes life is unexpectedly turns a twist
and you've you've got to bring those military aspects back
to life. She catch my drift.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you do, You definitely do. Sometimes over the
years there have been people, some tough customers who have
had a hard time. It seems like it wasn't just
the dog man encounter they had a really hard time
dealing with, but it's almost like their pride was hurt
because they consider themselves to be such tough guys. They
thought that even by having a dog man encounter and
in some cases bad ones too, but they almost felt
a shamed by how their encounters affected them. And I've
tried to explain them. There was one eyewitness, I think
he's six foot five, six foot six, and he was
a beard knuckle fighter, fistfighter on the weekends and he
did it for money, and not because he wasn't good
at it either. He was good at he was a
tough ombre, and he had a dog mean encounter and
felt really bad about the fear that he felt and
all that I tried to explain to him. I mean,
when you think about what you're up against, I mean,
it doesn't matter what you brought to the table as
far as toughness. You were outclassed by so much that
I mean, you're right on the same level as a
little boy compared to this thing that you encountered. So
don't feel any shame. Well, if someone like you, with
your credentials, all those years of experience and the Special Forces,
a Delta operator, all that, if you were affected by
your encounters the way you were, then I mean, no
one should feel embarrassed at all by by being fearful
after having an experience with one of these guys.
Speaker 1: Hey, Lisa bag I'm not ashamed to say it. Hey, yeah,
you know what, I had to change my drawers. I mean,
you know, it is what it is. You know, Listen,
you're not facing a fighter standing in front of you,
you know, baron nuckles. You're not facing Taliban, You're not
facing al Qaeda with you know guns. It's three hundred
and fifty pounds, maybe five hundred pounds of teeth, fur things.
I mean, the ultimate apex predator. So if somebody's butt
heard about, you know, facing one of these things that,
I don't know what to say. I mean, Jesus, I
was scared of death. I mean, you know, I'm terrified now.
I mean, honest to God, I'm literally looking over here
to make sure my pistol is beside of me because
I've got my garage store open here Tennessee, and I'm
surrounded by bare hounds. And as you know, I sent
you a picture of my wolf on her birthday. I
don't know if you got that text or not. She's
eating her birthday cake.
Speaker 2: I did, and she's a big one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, she's uh yeah, she's upwards of one
hundred and fifty six pounds now, so you know, and
I should feel safe here, but you know I would
have three or four years ago, I don't now. So,
I mean, listen, people that are afraid of these things,
they are smart. I'm scared to death of them. I mean,
I hoist to God, I really am. They scare me to.
Speaker 2: Death, yeah, rightfully. So, yeah, when you strip away all
the toughness and all the experience that anyone has their size,
all that there's still so outclasped by one of these
things that, I mean, you are human underneath all that.
They realize, whether on a conscious or only a subconscious level,
they realize how severely outclassed they are, and that's where
all that fear comes from. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you
are only human after all, So it's only natural when
you feel that way. It just really hurts when you
talk with someone it seems like they're more hurt about
They're more wounded from their fear, the fact that they
are so afraid when they think they shouldn't because they're
supposed to be so tough. It's just really sad when
you run into someone like that who just can't almost
has a harder time dealing with that than the actual
encounter itself, is what I'm trying to get at here.
It's been so long since you came on episode one
thirty there and told us about that first encounter that
I'm thinking, if you don't mind, could you walk us
through what happened that night when you did have that
first encounter, so that it kind of sets the table
and it'll ring a lot of bells in people's minds
who maybe have a listened to that episode in years
upon years.
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, first and foremost, listen, you know people that
they are I think the fear of, you know, being afraid,
if that makes any sense that. I mean, come on now, Jesus,
you just experienced something that you've never experienced before in
your life. You've met the ultimate killing machine, and you're
ashamed of being afraid. No, I mean, admit it. You
just faced down pure evil and you walked away from it,
ran away from it. I hope you didn't try to run.
I mean obviously if you did, you definitely wouldn't be
here to tell your story, you know. So listen. There's
always bigger, badder, tougher people out there than you, and
definitely things like I guess dog man, I mean, you know,
so God listen, you know, I don't blame them for
being afraid. I mean, I'm scared of that. Every operation
I ever went on, I was afraid. Yeah, I mean,
there's that fear factor, but your training kicks in and
you learn to kind of push that to the back
of your mind and worry about the operation, worry about
what you got to do, what your job is. You know,
your brothers beside you, in front of you, behind you
are depending on you, so you know you've got to
be on your toes on that. So having said that, yeah.
Speaker 2: Let me interject really quick. You're sitting in that sounds
like your chair is squeaking and creaking the light. Is
there any way to replace that chair with something else
to sit on because it's kind of making it hard
to focus on what you're telling us?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you. Sorry, I've got a curve dog that
just absolutely loves to jump on a chair over here,
so let me move that. So yeah, back in twenty
sixteen fall the twenty sixteen, I just got back off
a tour from Afghanistan and got home and you know,
everything's kind of closing in on me, so I wanted
to get out and just you know, I was home
all leave. So I decided to go up to the
mountains place called a Nick Patch. So I just grabbed MRI.
I wanted to still stay in shape, fight in shape,
so I put on my plate carrier. All I took
was a couple of MRIs By plate carrier went hiking.
I think it was like five miles. But anyway, make
a long story short, I met some people coming down,
two females and a male. They was happy, go lucky.
So you know, I didn't think anything was up, you know,
I mean nothing that would throw off my spider senses,
you know, I you know, if they were acting weird,
then you know, as something might be going on. But no,
So anyway, went up there, built a fire, chilled out, relaxed,
and that's when it happened. You know, if people could
go back and you know do episode was at one thirty,
yes sir, yeah, okay, episode one thirty. So I have
never heard of one of these things before. I mean, yeah,
I've heard of a werewolf as far as the movies go.
I've got some Native American in me, as far as
Cherokee a little bit maybe at sixteenth maybe I'm more
Danish Viking than anything. Go figure. Right, So that night
everything was peaceful, everything just you know, birds were going
to bed, you know, everything was getting ready to go
to sleep, you know how animals do. The night creatures
were just starting to come out, and I think it
was about maybe hour two hours. I think it was
like zero one hundred zero one third when this actually
started happening. I swear to you, I believe the wind
stopped blowing. I heard a crack, if memory serves me correctly,
like a large branch breaking that was laying on the ground.
You hunters out there, no, you know when something snaps
on the ground. I mean you could tell it's a
different sound than it fallen from a tree. So that
kind of got my attention. I happened. I got up
and this thing which I literally at first, I don't
think I explained this well in the first episode, but
now thinking back at it, I thought it was a bear.
At first, I mean I was like, holy crap, so
I jumped up. This was no bear. This thing was
absolutely huge. You had the head of a wolf. Had
to be three hundred and fifty some pounds. But anyway,
you guys could go back to episode one point thirty
and Jesus, I got chills thinking about it. Now. It's autist.
To god, I've got goose bumps to it. That absolutely
terrifies me. But anyway, there was a pretty big standoff there.
This thing came at me on all fours. I stood up.
I put my back to the fire before because I
heard that sound, and before I saw it, I wanted
to get my night vision, so I put my back
to the fire, and I wanted to get my night
vision back, so to speak, because you know your ocular lens,
there's that light differential there, so you want to get
used to that darkness and have your eyes trained to,
you know, pick up in low light situations. So anyway,
I did that, and that's when this thing came out.
I oh god, I'm sorry, Beck, I'm trying to keep
my stuff. You know, some of the experiences I've had
here lately, everything's just kind of coming back to me.
But so I got up, I got on the boss
my feet, and I drew my knife. It's this thing charged.
It stopped. It stood up on two legs. That is
definitely not a bear. It stood up on two legs.
It looked at that knife. It knew exactly, I swear
I believe it knew exactly what that knife was. And
it's an old Filipino Folo knife. It's old Filipino you know,
fighting knife, which they used a World War two and
they still use it today. I absolutely love it. Matter
of fact, I've still got it. It backed up. Man.
When it did, it led out a roar like I
have never heard before in my life. It felt like
it was going through my soul. This thing came in
and out at me almost all not long. It used
tactics like no other animal that I've ever known before
in my life. It would try to outflight me. It
would try you know, noise disci one. It's off the charts.
The intelligence that these things have. When I finally egressed
out of there, God, I think the sun rose it
maybe zero five thirty, zero four forty five or zero
five forty five, if I'm not mistaken something like that.
I don't know. It's it's been so long. But when
the first rays of light, those blessed rays of light
started showing, I started to egress. Of course, I made
sure the fire was at least tried to anyway, but
I really won't worried about it because I really wanted
to get the heck out of there and got out
of there. So yeah, that was That was my very
first experience with that, and it's me to this day.
I mean, I still have dreams about it every now
and then.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you do. You have an experience like that.
You had some work to do out in the field
after that as an operator. How compromised were you after
you finally saw with your own two eyes what was
really out there in the dark and what could possibly
be out there in the shadows wherever you went and
were deployed.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, when I went back in, I you know,
on missions, I you know, it's it's all about the mission.
I really didn't think about that. I you know, I
concentrated on my job, what I was supposed to do,
and you know, of my team, you know, if that
makes any sense, I really didn't. I mean, of course,
I'm sure it was in the back of my mind,
but you know, being Afghanistan, Iraq, whether it's Africa, wherever else,
you know that I've done stuff which I'm not going
to go into because I've signed NDA's non disclosure agreements.
Really didn't concentrate on it. But I mean, yeah, I
mean sometimes yeah, I mean it was in the back
of my mind, you know, but I really wasn't worried
about it time, because I mean, look, I've got some
of the best guys actually, I know for a fact,
the best operators in the world with me. So maybe
that's why, you know, I didn't worry about it that much,
if that makes any sense. I mean, these guys are
the alpha males. I mean, these guys are the door kickers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you had some good men around you, that's for sure.
I'd say some of the most capable men that there
are in the world around you. So yeah, that's going
to bring a lot of comfort almost anyone, it really is. Well, Hondo,
let's play ketchup now, and please tell us about everything
that's been going on and that you've experienced since you're
on episode one thirty. Now, please take your time and
be as descriptive as you possibly can be.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know, I'm sorry, Beck. I hate to
have to admit this, but you know I haven't kept
up with dog man encounters as much as I should.
First and foremost I should apologize for that. But it's
just something that once I made my peace and after
everything that happened, I kind of, you know, close that
chapter in my life. You know, I actually had some closure.
That's something we haven't talked about. Maybe you and I
talk about it one on one at some point. Like
I said, I don't want to get in trouble with
certain entities out there, but I got married to the
girlfriend that you know i'd mentioned back in twenty seventeen
and moved to Greenville, Tennessee. There in the city, and
you know, we lived there for two years and then
decided to buy some property out here in Green County
and absolutely still love it out here. I bought a
cabin with ten acres, and you know, everything was great
until here recently, actually August believe it was August twenty
sixth or August. It's between August twenty sixth and August
twenty eight It's what I've gotten my diary. I'm horrible
about keeping my diary. But anyway, kind of going through
a divorce, you know what actually went through a divorce,
so everything was just kind of doom and gloom there
and I just decided to drive up on top of
the mountain and set and anybody knows Viking Mountain here,
you could you can drive up on top of the
Viking Mountain and you can look out and you can
see Greenville, Green County all the lights. It's beautiful, especially
on a clear night. It's just absolutely gorgeous. About seventy degrees. Yeah,
I know, that's the sniper in me. I always keep
you know, the what you humidity is and everything else.
I know, on a dor or a brain dead either one.
So went up there. I drove up there and there
was a I'm assuming it was a male and a female.
I don't know. I mean nowadays really don't care in
a blue Honda. I'm sure you know they was they
was doing something, you know. Anyway, I just kind of
threw my arm out the window, like hey, you know,
I mean, no harm and I just drove on by
and I parked at the very end of the parking there.
So I said, I had a couple of root beers,
not flavor or not Bark's root Beer. Brought some bars
root beer and my old hound dog, Winchester. Yeah. I know,
I am a redneck when it comes naming the dogs.
I mean, come on now. Yeah, he kind of gave
me some grief on the blue ticks, but hey, I
love my blue ticks. You can't be a Tennessee bear
hound guy without a blue tick. Anyway, was sent up there,
and I guess we sit there for maybe an hour,
just you know, kind of looking out and VIC. Honest
to God, I have never heard well I have, but
it was unbelievable. A sound that, oh my God, will
absolutely reverberate through the mountains. It was like a hoot,
all right, it sounded like an ape, okay, like, oh god,
I don't know, some kind of large monkey. And then
all of a sudden, I heard a sound that I
will never forget because I experienced it myself as I
faced it several years past. And it couldn't have been
more than five hundred meters down the ridge of where
I was parked at, so it was two distinct sounds.
And then it sounded like the whole mountain was getting
tore around. This went on for almost five minutes. I've
never heard anything like. I mean, within the first thirty
to forty five seconds, the people that was, you know,
doing what they was doing there in the old blue Honda,
they fired that sucker up and they headed out. I
guess they thought I was complete moron for setting there,
but maybe I should have left. But it was you know,
I've heard that sound before and I know exactly what
that was. But there was branches breaking. I mean, it
sounded like trees were being snapped in half. The screaming,
the I'm not going to say howling it was. I
can't describe the sound that this thing made, but it
was a fight for fights. I mean, listen if Allie
and Joe Frazier were fighting today and they weighed five
hundred pounds apiece. That would definitely be the rumble ind
of jungle. That's how loud that was. And I estimated
it was about five hundred meters. I'm pretty good at
estimating ranges. But it was absolutely unbelievable. I have never
heard anything like that before. I mean, I don't know.
I'm not saying it was sasquatching dog man fighting. I
don't know. I couldn't see. I mean, it was dark,
it was right at eleven eleven thirty something like that.
I have no clue. I mean, I'm I'm pretty sure
that's what it was. But I've heard that these things
don't like each other, which you know, I don't blame them,
and I f I bigfoot. I wouldn't like dog man either,
you know. But after that, you know, I kind of
started researching it more. And I guess they do, from
time to time run into each other as far as
they're migratory, or at least that's what some researchers say
that dog men are kind of migratory, so every now
and then they kind of have a run in with
each other. I don't know what is your input on
that fit.
Speaker 2: Well, normally I think they mix like will and a watter,
But there have been some credible eyewitnesses who've reported it
over the years, seeing them interacting with each other. So
I guess under certain circumstances they do mix, and they
do apparently work together. But yeah, I think normally that's
an exception and not the rule. I think they try
to stay separate. It seems like in certain areas where
there's a definite presence of both, normally you're going to
find some type of a dividing line, be it a
creek or a mountain range or something where okay, that's
Sasquatch territory on this side is dog mean territory. That's
not always the case, but there are a lot of
instances where people have noticed that someone who actually lives
in an area where they've got both around, someone who's
been in that area for a long time, they've had
the time to notice. Okay, well, anytime on this side
of the creek, I've had Sasquatch experiences, if I've had
dog mean encounters, they've always been on that side of
the creek. So yeah, there are credible eye witnesses out
there who've reported that sort of thing. But like I said,
that's not always the rule. There are exceptions that would.
Speaker 1: Seem okay, that's something that I meant to ask you
when we spoke, but I wasn't for sure. Like I said,
I you know, I don't know much about bigfoot. You know,
my people with Cherokee, we respect them, but we don't
talk about them. I know in other Native Americans, as
far as the dog man goes, that's that's definitely taboo.
I mean, you don't speak of it. I guess it's
in the same category as a skin walker. Maybe I
don't know, but I know they are flesh and blood.
But that that was just, uh, that was unbelievable. I mean,
as soon as I heard that distinct sound and it,
you know, it brought me right back to Shady Valley
where I had my experience and I was frozen. I mean, yeah,
I always go armed. I mean I was, you know,
I had my pistol in my hand, but I still
stayed there like an idiot for some reason. I mean,
I knew it was far off. I wish to God,
like we talked about if I could have been five
hundred foot up in the air and washed it on
a thermal. That would have been a fight. I'm assuming
that's what they was saying. There's no other explanation for
all that racket going on for almost five minutes. I
mean I didn't time it, but it seemed like five minutes.
I mean they really going at it. I mean literally,
it's like life and death. I mean these two entities
or creatures or monsters, whatever you want to call them,
I mean really going at it. But I wasn't stupid
enough to go down there the next day to look
and see what happened either, because I kind of know better,
you know, basically after my experience. So that I said
that happened in August. So as everybody knows, Hurricane Helene
really clobbered us here in Greenville, especially in North Carolina,
Western North Carolina. I mean it really nailed us. It
flooded ar Nolah Chucky River. You know, we lost two
main bridges, almost lost the bridge on the Old Ashville Highway.
It was compromised there for about twenty four forty eight hours.
I actually could not get back to the house to
check on my dogs, which are my babies, and if
y'all have listened to episode one thirty. My dogs are
my babies. I absolutely love my animals, so I was
kind of freaking out about that. But anyway, Hurricane Helene
hit and really clabbered us. It was god awful. So
finally got home, checked on my dogs and my two cats. Yeah,
somebody dropped off two cats and love and behold, I
get to take care of them. Anyway, I decided, you know,
I heard that, I mean people on Black Mountain, North Carolina,
on the other side of Madison County, just like five
miles from where I live, really got hit hard. I
mean they lost homes, there was people missing. And I
had a buddy that the former excuse me, former one
sixty of sword Pilot and he actually flies hughes five hundreds,
which if you guys don't know, that's our little birds
what we call them special Forces little birds M eight
six is. But this is civilian type, and he flies
to survey power lines and stuff. I reached out to
him and asked him if he was in the area
and if he could get me over into North Carolina
to fly in and he said absolutely, So I grabbed
a couple of medpacks that I had left over from
my quote unquote glory days, and he flew me over
into North Carolina because there was no other way to
get in there except for Helo at the time. So
I went in there, inserted set up triage. You know.
I mean, there was one doctor that was there local.
I'm not gonna say his name. I don't want to,
you know, point anybody out, whether good or bad. So
I did that for about three or four days. And
but anyway, uh, we we heard of a family family
that was got off about three miles up and we
got access to some four wheelers, so you know, I said, well,
you know, we at least need to go in there
check on them because they've got kids. So we geared
up and we went up there to uh to get
this family out, which we did and brought them back.
The little girl had a couple of broken fingers. I
can't remember how she broke them, but we got them
set and patched up. But anyway, this same family, about
two days later, I was talking about going back up
there because I heard rumors that there was a couple
of other people up in there in that particular valley,
And the gentleman come up to me and said no,
you really don't want to go up there. And I
was like, well, sir, you know why. I mean, we
need to get these people out. And he's like well,
and he's like, you really don't want to go up there. Well.
It took some pushing and coaxing and trying to talk
to him. So he finally pulled me to the side
and he said, look, son, I know what you are.
You know, he saw my tattoos Special Forces. He said,
I'm not trying to scare you. I'm not trying to
tell you what you can or can't do. But he said,
I'm telling you you don't want to go in that valley.
So he finally finally started talking to me, and he
opened up to me and he said he was deer
hunting the year before. He had a tree stand. I'm
not I don't know, maybe three hundred and fifty meters
from his cabin, which lives on the side of the
ridge facing down the north west. If I'm not mistaken,
if I memory serves me correctly, I believe it's the northwest.
He said he was deer hunting and it was upwards.
It was almost thirty minutes before you know, evening. You
know which no shooting after that, I mean right before dark,
and yes, deer come out. He was waiting. There was
three or four dough and he was waiting. He knew
there was a buck coming because it was right in
the rut, That's what he said. So he was waiting
and waiting and waiting. Then all of a sudden, he said,
the buck come crashing down the ridge. The dough scattered.
The buck I mean was hauling high end, and he said,
he happened. He just had a feeling that something was
chasing me. He figured it either was a dog or
a code or you know whatever. And he said, well,
I'm going to kill the sucker. He looked over and
when he did, he said, this big black shape come
flying out through there. And he said, he turned that
safety off of that Remington seven hundred, and he said,
as soon as it clicked, that thing skidded to a
hawk which was on all fours. And he said, boy,
I'm telling you, it stood up on two legs, looked
up and turned and looked directly at me like he
knew exactly where I was at. And he described to
me Verbadom that it had the head of a wolf.
Tell he described the hands just like he said, son,
they was like raccoon hands, except the heck of a
lot bigger. He said. It had to have been over
seven foot tall. And he said it was almost pitched black.
He said. When it turned and looked at me, he said,
it bared its teeth, and he said he saw things.
He said that looked almost ungodly. And he said, it's
scared the living you know what out of him, and
I'm keeping it pg F. He said, I was absolutely terrified.
It turned, it looked, it sat there and it stared
at him, he said, which seemed like forever, he said,
but it's I mean, it was just a few seconds.
It casually got back down on all fours, walked around
a little bit, almost like in a zigzag, stopped, got
up and looked at him again on two legs, and
then walked on two legs. He said, for he's estibating that,
I don't know. I walked there. I didn't see it
for he said, ten to fifteen feet, and then got
back down and then ran off. This man said, he
sat there, got on his cell phone and called his brother,
which is a sheriff's deputy up there, to come and
get him. Out, and that same sheriff's deputy he called
over the next day and verified that story with me,
and that spoke volumes. I believed the man because he
was absolutely shaken when he was telling me that. But
the next day that sheriff's deputy was there and he said,
I want you, you know, I want you to come
over here and talk to this man here. And we
sat there and talked for a while, and he, you know,
he said, I've already told him what happened, and he
said I want to hear you know, you tell him
what happened, and that sheriff's deputy did verbatim. So you know,
I mean, there's no reason for these people to lie
to me, especially for what I was up there doing,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I do.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's not that far from where I live.
I mean literally, it's it's thirty seven miles as the
crow flies or as the dog man runs, or however
you want to put it. I mean, there was, you know,
there was some others that kind of you know, he
introduced me through some other people that you know, kind
of had their feelings about it also. I mean, so
it's something that they know about, but they really don't
like to talk about. But I mean, people are afraid
I'll be up there, so evidently, I mean, people have
experienced this thing before. I mean, maybe not like this
gentleman did. Maybe they heard it or you know, or
heard somebody that you know, heard of somebody that saw
something like that. But I mean it's I mean, people
are really afraid of this thing up there. Look, I
don't blame them. I mean, Jesus, I'm scared to death
of it myself. So it's you know, all this is
just why this is happening now, you know, it's just
kind of got me thinking of, you know, the experiences
that I had and what I did later on. I mean,
is you know, it's this blood for blood type to you,
you know what. But it I mean, it's really not
about me. It's just I don't know why this has
come back in my life since it's been so many
years ago that I've had this experience. But unfortunately, that's
you know, not it. See when was that I've got
a look in my note here believe it was. Oh,
I've got it right here, Vick. I'm sorry. No, here
we go open a day of muzzle loader season. I've
setting out with glass and I've got some property that
I hunt on and it neighbors a two hundred and
fifty acre property, and usually the deer come out through
there and I could glass them and wait till they get,
you know, on the property that I'm allowed to hunt.
A matter of fact, I'm allowed to hunt on both now,
but early it's early evening. I'm thinking it was God,
it was almost about forty five minutes before dawn, before
the sun set. I was watching some deer and all
of a sudden, I mean I've been watching them for
thirty forty five minutes. You know, he's got a big
clover patch up there, so they usually take their time.
They eat their clover, then come over and they start
eating sweet grass where I hunt. All of a sudden,
I start seeing a white tail, a white tail, A
white tail, a white tail, and any hunter out their nose.
When you see a white tail on a white tail,
you know they're getting ready to book it. They all
started hauling the male. I mean they were motivate, and
I was like, what in the world. I was looking
through a spoder scope, so I mean I had a
wide view. I see two small black shapes. I'm like,
are you kidding me? There's flipping coots chase them. So
I was getting ready to get to O three to
eight and start throwing some lead on coots, you know,
as I can't stand coots anyway, Sorry for any of
you coyot lovers out there. They're a nuisance around here.
But I got to looking for it. I said, my god,
that's they're huge bick. I'm telling you these were not coots.
I've got a wide angle spoder scope. Sorry military, I
may or may not have kept on anyway. Yeah, I
mean very detailed spotting scope. I mean you can really
they're top of the line sharp ears. If this was
a cow. They were both black, and they both had
to have weighed over one hundred and fifty to one hundred.
It's seventy five pounds apiece. I'm guesstimating I was approximately
five hundred and sixty meters maybe a little farther than
that away from where I was at, but I've you know,
and then I was like, well, heck, it's got a bit,
you know it. It's probably a bear. I was like, well,
there's not too bear chasing too Deer bear usually don't
do that, you know, but you could actually see the
lean muscle when these things are running. I mean, this
happened really quick. I mean they covered about I want
to say, one hundred meters. I mean extremely fast. I
swear up and down if I you know, in my mind,
I could pause and I could see it. I believe
they were and all dog men, and I really don't
want to think that way, but that's the only explanation
I've got. I know they wasn't bear. I know for
a fact they weren't kyotes. There's no way. And I've
never seen a bear move that fast and that lean ever.
Matter of fact, I've never seen a bear chase a deer,
and I've been hunting bear for a long time. Matter
of fact, I've been up close and personal with bear
in a laurel thicket, you know, hounds on top of
the bear, the bear on the hounds, and I have
to crawl in there and put a pistol it's head
and shoot it before it kills one of the hounds.
You know, There's no way that could have been a bear,
no way, and there was two of them, so I
just I can't explain it. I've heard weird stuff, you know,
hunting in that area before. I've heard some hoops, I've
heard branches breaking. I mean yeah, at first I thought
it was the cows. But then I start looking and
I know off his cows. I know how many cows
he's got, because I always got to keep track of
his cows, because I don't want to shoot a deer
and it, you know, the bullet the trajectory passed through
the deer and injure one of his cows. I just
you know, I well, I'm good like that. I don't
want to, you know, have frightnicide so to speak. You know,
I want to respect somebody's property and you know, people's livestock.
So I don't know of anything that big unless it
was a five six hundred pound bear making sounds like
that in the woods. I don't know. It's like I've
got more questions than I do answers at this point.
Bick and I'm listen. I mean, I am. I'm afraid.
I'm man enough to admit it. You know, this stuff
going on, I don't know what to do at this point.
Speaker 2: Well, my best advice would be to keep on doing
what you're doing. I think you're going to be just fine.
If you think about all the time you've spent out
in the woods, I mean, you're a beer hunter from
way back. If you think about all the time you've
spent in the woods and how many opportunities these things
have had to take you out but they never have,
then that there is going to tell you everything you
need to know. I'm never going to say that you
can't run into a deviant one that will hurt you
if it gets the opportunity, because anything out there, you
name it, you're gonna have deviant examples, even people. But
odds are you're not going to run into one of those.
And that right there is why after all these years
and years that you've been spending in the woods, you
haven't had a single hair in your head. Armed that's
a testament to that. But yet answer your question, I
think the best way to handle this is just to
keep on doing what you've been doing. And I think
everything's going to be just fine. I really do.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know it's one thing to hear that and to
implement that, But when you're sitting there and you've got
your dogs around and the garage doors up, and sitting
with your back to that open garage door at night.
I know it's easier said than done, and I understand that.
I get that. But yeah, as long as you just
try to stay stay so treating level with your thoughts
regarding the fact that these guys are definitely out there,
I think you're going to be just fine. I really do.
Speaker 1: Well. I hope, Afraid to God, you're right. I mean,
I don't want to have another showdown with one. I mean,
if that's what you can call it, you know, I mean,
I know for a fact these things could bleed. I
know they're made of flesh and blood. I mean I
have spilt their blood. I know that for a fact.
I don't want another confrontation with these things. I really don't.
But at the same time, God, I don't know how
to put this. I feel like something's coming. There's something
that's going to happen at some point that's going to
bring all this back to pre wishing again and really
don't want that.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully that's not going to happen. Some people have
the mindset that if you focus on any one thing
too much, the odds of it actually coming true or heightened.
I don't know if there's any truth to that. But
at the same time, why I tempt fate so I
try not to.
Speaker 1: See, yeah exactly, I mean, that's it. And unfortunately, and
you know, that's kind of why I hung my guns
up there. You know, for a while, I stopped following
all this. You know, I made my point, you know,
to hit them, you know, and I just we had
our issue. We're done, and I just want to be
left alone. And I think, you know, like you and
I talked about, I believe that they respect did that
in some kind of weird way. I don't know, but
you know, why now, why all this happening now, all
within the last six months. Another thing, I speaking of
bear hunting. Back the second day of opening bear season,
some guys in North Carolina was over here on the
Tennessee side. It was, oh god, I don't know. It
was right at daybreak, and I was getting ready to
go up to meet my buddy at his cabin up
there on Viking Mountain Road and stopped. I mean there
was a guy coming out of the woods. I mean
his hounds beat him to the truck, I mean literally.
So I stopped, was, hey, you guys on one already,
and he said a couple of explicitis basically no, no, no,
And I'm not going back up there ever, because evidently
they had they thought they had, you know, got a
head on a bear, and they let some of their
hands loose. And those hands and you know, those hounds
vic bear, heund ain't afraid of much. They're just not
I mean, they were standing to fight a bear. Whell.
They're ignorant. They're kind of like me. They just don't care,
he said. He he dropped that tailgate and let them
dogs out, and he said it what fifteen minutes later
he went after the dogs, you know, kind of tracking
hat his garment. He said, the dogs almost run over
top of him. He said he heard the god awful
this racket that ever was in some kind of roar.
He said, the dogs almost run over top of him.
Get back the other way. So whatever it was scared
the living daylights out of those dogs. I can't think
of anything that scared those dogs. I know those old boys,
they're out of Madison County. I know them, and they've
got some very good dogs.
Speaker 2: Did you see if those were plot hounds?
Speaker 1: Uh? Some were ploted. Uh. He had a couple of
red ticks and he's got one. Uh one walker, if
I'm not mistaken. Oh god, what's that walker's name? I
walked it the ally Woods couple of years ago. Oh god,
hang on a minute. Uh hank, oh hank, it's his
walker dog. Hey, that walker dog's good dog. But oh Bob,
he's worked down. He's not going to go back up in.
He's not going to cut loose up in there anymore.
He said. I don't know what it was. He said,
I've never heard anything like it. I mean, he was
stolen dogs in the truck as I was coming down,
because I thought they was on the sin of one.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, beer dogs. They don't turn in tuck tail
and run for the truck like that. If they beat
him to the truck, yeah, that tells me everything about
their mindset.
Speaker 1: He said, Sun, I'm telling you they almost run over
top of me. I mean I was laughing at him
at first, and I was thinking that God, they run
into a cougar. Then you know, I was like, uh,
they'd probably ran that cougar. But he, I mean, once
he described that sound, he said, I've never heard anything
like that before in my life. I mean, I've got
a laugh. I mean, it's funny because you know, I've
been in his place before. You understand what I'm saying.
So you know, at least I'm not the only one
that experiences something like this. And you know, all the
dogs made it out. All the dogs are smart enough
to run, thank god. You know. Just it's kind of
funny that, you know, you let four actually it was
five hands that he cut loose, and he said every
one of them almost run him over getting back to
the truck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a pretty funny visualization when you think
about what that must have looked like. But I don't
blame him. That would have shaken anyone up. Poor guy,
that's not good at all.
Speaker 1: Trying not to laugh, but at the same time it
kind of scared me. I'm like, oh great, well, you know, man,
here I am. I've got my dog box loaded full
of pounds too, my baby's So I decided I wasn't
going to hunt on Viping Mountain. I was going to
go down there to Green Mountain hunt. So I just
I don't get it.
Speaker 2: Well, some people are just magnets for these things. And unfortunately,
considering all the experiences you've already had to date, I
really don't think you are done as far as having
experiences with these guys, but like I touched on a
bit ago, please never lose sight of the fact you've
had all these experiences and the ones that never happened
that could have happened because they were watching you, following you,
monitoring you, but they never pushed the issue. They definitely
never hurt you. As long as you keep all that
in perspective, then yeah, you can deal with this. I
know it's easier said than done, but yeah, you can
definitely deal with this. And as you know from our conversations,
I go into the woods when I can spend time
out there to clear my head, and I'm still here.
I mean, how many times have I I've walked hundreds
of miles without a gun in those woods, not because
I'm put off by guns, but when I was doing
what i was doing, didn't really have a need for
a gun at the time. I'm still here, no problems.
And you want to talk about a perfect big woods
for dog men, for sasquatch. I mean, if you could
draw one up, this would be it. It's got the
trademark animals you'd expect to see that basically let you
know that it's a prime forest for dog men and
sasquatch just got everything. But I'm still here and I
still go on walks and spend time in the woods
when I can, when I can sneak away and do it.
So if I'm doing that, and I want to know
about these things, and yeah, you can still get out
there and enjoy yourself too, you really can.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, Vic, you're a braver man
I am. I mean, but I will tell you this, No, no, no,
I have definitely been readloading ten millimeter. Yeah, I've definitely
been reloading a lot of ten millimeter here lately, especially
the Lehigh one hundred sixty five grain extreme penetrators. Hey, look,
I don't want to shed any more blood. I don't
want to trade any more blood with these things. I
want to be left alone. But I just really got
a feeling, you know, something, something is going to happen
at some point. Now here's another thing. Animal Control was
out out there on well, I can't give the name
of my road, but out on my road looking for
a dog once. This was a couple of weeks ago.
Me and my brother was out there and you know,
we got talking with the guy. He's a good old dude,
and I say, no, I haven't seen that dog. But
of course I wouldn't tell him if I did, you know,
not going to lie. I just I don't want to
see a dog or hear of a dog getting put down,
you know what I mean. And you know this was
after my experience out in the woods there, and I
was like, well, listen as you guys are you know,
on call basically all the time. He said yeah. I said,
have you all heard any have you got any weird
calls about any strange noises or anything. He's like, it's
funny you should say that. And I looked at my brother.
My brother looked at me. He goes, you know, I've
confided my brother before. And he got to telling us
about something that happened to a farmer on Kelly Gap Road.
Farmer went out to his barn to feed his cows.
One of his gals was expecting the calf is going
to feed him and then check on him, and he
said the farmer, I'm trying not to last because I
mean I could just picture myself and you know this
poor old farmer's shoes going out there with some sweet feet.
And he said, as soon as he opened his barn door.
He said, the huge back door almost went off the hinges.
He said, it's the god awfless sound you ever heard
in your life, is like a hoot or something. Animal
control officer was trying to explain to me how it sounded.
So it didn't sound like a dog man. I mean,
you know, old god Fit had been a dog man.
There's a cow had probably been dead anyway, he said
that poor farmer. He said it literally, because they've got
the big sliding door, you know, on the back. You've
got sliding door on rails where you can unhook it
and then slide it open to let your cows out.
You know of the even you know of the mornings
or whatever. He said, that thing was almost tore off
the hinges. So whatever was in there was big enough
to tear that thing, tear the rails, break the wood
off the rails. Actually, the sheriff's apartment went out there
to look at it. So I don't know. I mean,
that's not four miles for me. He didn't give me
any exact address, but I mean, just guesstimating maybe four
six miles from me.
Speaker 2: That's close.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't make this craft up. I mean it
just all these years lived in peace. Now this, I mean,
I'm trying to keep it light hearted, but I mean,
you know, underneath he listen, I'm scared to death. I'm
mad enough to admit it. He can petrified. I mean,
maybe I should go get some depens that, you know,
to wear the woods in the morning when I go dere.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might not be a bad idea. I hope
you never need them, though, But yeah, I mean it's
only natural you're going to be fearful.
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate being afraid to listen. The first
honest to go the first plane I was ever in,
I jumped out off, for Christ's sake. So I mean
it's I'm not being you know, uh, bravado or trying
to sound like a bad you know, bad a trying
to keep it PG again, you know, trying not sound
like a tough guy. But anything I've ever been afraid
of I've always faced. And you know, first plane I
was ever in, I jumped out off. So this these
things absolutely terrify me. And people say all they want
to now they're not evil, this that and the other.
No telling. I know evil. I've met evil men. I've
been face to face with evil. I know evil, this
was evil. What I faced down that night in twenty
sixteen would sheer evil? And when I faced those two
maybe three a couple of weeks later, were sheer evil?
Speaker 2: Well, listen to your inner voice. So yeah, I mean
there have been times where people have gone out into
the woods and had that feeling like Okay, it's time
to turn around. When people don't turn around and listen
to that inner voice, that's when the problems start. But
I mean, yeah, I couldn't blame you. If you head
into the woods and start getting that feeling, it probably
would be proven to turn around and had that the woods.
But I mean, like I said, yeah, those experiences with
those evil entities, those dog men that you said are
definitely have an evil vibe to them. They still didn't
hurt you. Now you're gonna have people who are gonna
say they were restrained by the Pact. It's not the
end times yet, so they're not free to unleash hell
on earth and everything like that, and that might be
the case. That just might be why they didn't hurt you.
But we heard of this. Yeah, yes, sir, it might
be what's going on that just might be what's behind it,
But that is a supposition. We don't know that to
be fact. All we can do is just deal with
what we know, and when it comes to things that
we don't know for sure what's going on, just deal
with those things the best way we can. And what
we do know is you've had all these interactions with
these guys over the years, but like I said earlier,
you've never experienced a single scratch or hear in your
head being harmed. That definitely counts for something. So I
totally get you being scared. I understand it. I mean,
you're so far outclassed by these things, even with all
of your training and ability and everything like that, your
skills in the woods. But yeah, I mean you're so
far out classed, and you realize that that's why you're
feeling this fear. Don't feel any shame in that. Just
do the best you can to keep moving forward and
doing what you do using your best judgment. If you
don't think on any given time it's a good idea
to head into the woods that day, then yeah, please
don't go into the woods. Listen to that inner voice,
but you've got a life to live. When we have
that conversation the other day, and you told me how
old you are. I thought, huh, this guy's young. I've
got more than several years on you. You've got a lot
of life to live, a lot of life left to live.
Speaker 1: So, oh, yeah, you do, you do?
Speaker 2: So I hope you do live that life and go
out there into the woods and wring every last bit
of fun you can out of the woods, because if
you couldn't do that, it really would be a shame.
And what are those plot hounds gonna think about you?
What are the blue tics going to think about you?
Speaker 1: Oh? Good Lord, in blue ticks that eat me alive.
Speaker 2: I didn't take them out, I know they would.
Speaker 1: Lord, I gotta run in blue tics. I mean, whether
it's far or coon, they've got to run vic they
I mean, that's what they love to do. I mean,
good God. They're born and raised in Tennessee, the great
State of Tennessee volunteer state. By the way, I got
to give a shout out to my University of Tennessee volunteers.
Let's go up there at Ohio State, kick in that door,
kick their hind end, and then come back here victorious. Anyway,
enough about that, Sorry, OSU fans, but I love you.
I don't know. Here's another thing that really gets me.
These researchers. I really, I honest to God, they have
no idea what they're hunting. I don't think. I mean,
I believe if they really really really saw one up
close and personal like I did. And I'm not trying
to sing on myself out at I mean, honest to God,
that's not what I'm doing here. I'm trying to warn people.
You go hunting for these things, sooner or later, the
hunter becomes a hunted, like I've told. Like I said before,
this is not al Qaeda, this is not Taliban. I
don't care what your military experience. You've never faced anything
like this before in your life. They're the Apex of
Apex predator. They are fast, they are at they are
highly intelligent. They use tactics that's off the charts. I
have never had an animal smell like cedar to cover
up it's sent before, like that dog man did up
there in Shady Valley. Never it's unnatural. So you know,
to all you researchers out there, I will tell you something.
You think you know these things, you don't. I don't
know them I don't know deadley about them, but I
can tell you this. They are three hundred and fifty
to five hundred pounds of sheer killing machine. They will
shred you. I don't care if you've got combat veterans
on your team. I don't care what they've done. I'm
telling you now, if you hunt them, and you continually
hunt them, you're gonna wind up being at the wrong
place at the wrong time, and you may just wind
up being that for one one. So you need to
watch your step and be extremely careful about what you
wish for because you will get it. And I've tried
to keep this interview light, you know, lighthearted, but at
the same time, I'm gonna tell you something. I'm scared
to death. These things absolutely terrify me. But you know,
your researchers, you need to be aware. Just be careful
because sooner or later you think you want to run
into one of these things. Until you do, and I
promise you you will have an early retirement. I promise you.
I don't care who you are. You don't want it.
Speaker 2: Those are words of wisdom, they really are. I cringe
want to hear so many people talk about wanting to
head into the woods and humpt these things. And then
there's so many of them that think that just by
carrying a gun that's some form of protection. Well, I've
been hammering home the fact that everyone is so outclassed
by dog men and sasquatch in the woods that carrying
a gun in most cases it really doesn't give you
any advantage because if they want to take you out,
it doesn't matter what you have with you. They can
take you out at will. I mean, they have you
outclassed with speed, strength, knowledge of the woods, with stealth.
In so many ways they have you outclassed. And I'll
go you one further by taking a gun into the
woods with you when dog men around that you think
might actually pose a threat. And a lot of cases
a gun might cause a situation to happen where you're
actually harmed or killed. They might make it more likely
for that to happen than if you didn't have a
gun at all, because you might take a shot at
one that wasn't intending to harm you. It was bluff
charging or doing whatever, or just to try to get
a rise out of you. You might wind up shooting
one that had no intentions on harming you. But okay,
now that you shot it, you just basically sealed your fate.
So that's why I'm so strong against the idea of
guns protecting you from dog men. And a lot of cases,
like I just said, I'll say it again, in a
lot of cases, taking the gun into the woods where
dogmen around it actually makes it more likely for you
to be harmed.
Speaker 1: Vicky. I mean, you hit the nail on her head,
you know in the unit we have, you know, we
go through the Keell house. I've seen I've been around
some of the top class shooters of the world. At
these guys. Oh my god, absolute fantastic shots. Now you
have a beast that is so huge, so agile, so fast,
and you were scared to death. Okay, I'm sorry. Your
heart rates up. You've never seen anything like this before. Yeah,
it's sure. You may have been in combat before. You
may have been in hand to hand combat. Fine, whatever,
you've never seen anything like this before. Your heart rate
is up. You try to skin that weapon system out
to try to draw a beat on this. If it's
fifty meters out, it's going to be on you. You
may have one or two shots, that's how fast they
are and If you don't get that good, clean kio shot,
you're gone. Period. People don't understand that this is not
the movies.
Speaker 2: You're right, very well said. With all of your operator experience,
you know there is a triangle for you to effectively
protect yourself something like that that you encounter that's guided
on its mind to take you out. There is a triangle.
You have to have a weapon or weaponry that's going
to be effective at stopping the foe. You've got to
have the skills i e. Having the ability to fire accurately,
fire that weapon the firearm accurately enough to deliver that
kill shot. That's the second part of the triangle. Number three,
like you just mentioned, are you going to be cool
and calm and customary enough to not lose your cool
to keep your aim under all that pressure and fire
that shot that's going to be an effective kill shot.
There's the triangle. And if any one of those three
points isn't there right in position, then I mean you've
just lost everything. So there's so many people out there
that just have one of those points, one of those
three points of the triangle, and they think that they're
going to be safe heading into the woods looking for
these things.
Speaker 1: Well, folks, if you're one of those people, you're not.
I wasn't, Mandana wasn't in twenty sixteen. And we've had
a ton of experience, a lot of combat experience. I
mean we've been we've seen the elephant quote unquote up
close and personal, which is combat. And I will tell
you right now, we didn't get the job done. Yeah,
I mean we shed some blood up there, but you know,
nobody nothing. So I think we got lucky. I think
the Good Lord was looking out for us, is all
I could say. And here's another thing is some of
your researchers come up here to Greenville, Tennessee, and I'm
talking renowned researchers. You get a hold of Vic and
if you really, I mean, if you really, really really
think that you want to come up close and personal
with one of these things, which I pray to God
we don't, but I could guarantee you. I could take
you for some sign you will get some evidence. You
get a hold of him and let VIC vet you,
and then VIC could get a hold of me. But
that's something that I really don't want to do, but
I will do it because I do have a close
personal exp sperience with these things, and I would like
to learn more about them. That way I could kind
of overcome my fear. I'm man enough to say, yeah,
I'm afraid of these things. And you know it's like
I said, like I told you all before, my animals
are my babies. You know. I've got a new fiance.
She's one hundred and five pound, blond headed Irish wolverines
what I call her, and I love her. She's getting
ready to move in with me in my cabin. I
want to feel safe and secure on my own property
with knowledge. I'm looking for knowledge. I'm not looking for BS.
I'm looking for knowledge. So any you people out there,
it's high end. There's no BS researchers that could teach
me some stuff that could you know, give me some education,
give me some intel on these things, and maybe just
maybe I could take you to some places where you
could get some actual proof. I promise you I'll get
you proof, whether it's sound, visual, or that up close
and personal experience which I pray to God will never happen.
If it is goodbye, I'm out there. You're on your own.
Speaker 2: You're a good man, and yeah, I'm pretty sure I
could set that up. I'm sure people will lining up
right now. Researchers are lining up right now to send
me messages and try to get me to set that up.
And y'all see if they do all try to get
you set up with some so you can do that.
Speaker 1: I tell you, Mick, I don't want that up close
and personal experience again ever again. But uh, you know,
uh if I do, it's it's you know, well, maybe
I'll just have a heart attack them because I'm a
heck a lot older and I've got a got a
lot more silver in my beard than I used to.
Speaker 2: You know, I can relate to that. It's not just
you there. But well, I've got some questions that people
in the live chat have been wanting to ask you.
I think it's a good time to jump over to those.
I'm not going to have time to ask all these questions,
but I'm going to pick and choose some of these
I want to ask you. The first one would be
from Leary Berlin and Learry wants to know, Hondo, what
is the bleed length of your knife?
Speaker 1: Oh? My bolo. My bolo is an eight inch bolo.
I had it made into Philippines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more than long enough to let the wind
out of that dog man, that's for sure. Let's see me.
Grabguard wants to know was it the father and the
family deceived that told him not to go?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it sure was all right.
Speaker 2: The next one up is from Babie Girl and she
wants to know how long were the nails on the
first dog? Meaning you saw.
Speaker 1: I'm just guestimating. I mean I was within what twenty
thirty feet from me two two and a half inches long.
Maybe I'm just guestimating. I really wasn't looking at the claws.
I was kind of looking at the face and a
body language to see where it was going to kind of,
you know, whether it was going to faint left, faint right.
You know. Unfortunately I did not have a weapon. Well,
I mean, my mind is my weapon, just you know,
my bolo was my tool, but I didn't have a firearm,
so to speak. So I was more worried about kind
of reading its body language and trying not to crap myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that, I do. The next one up
is from Bang Bang and she wants to know, Hondo,
did you get the feeling you were being stalked by
the dog man, I think talking about that first encounter.
Speaker 1: Uh, not at first, but after my first running with it,
Absolutely yes, And I felt that way for a long
time until I reached out to Danny Boy aka dan
O and we went up there and had our little
showdown with it. Yeah. I mean I really did felt
like I was being stalked quote unquote. I don't know
if it came on my property. Yeah, I don't think so,
but it's just kind of weird. I can't explain it,
but absolutely yes, it just might have been.
Speaker 2: BB girl also wants to know, would you say you
have PTSD with these dog man encounters?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I think I've got more PTSD from
my experience as military. I'm going through that now with
the VA here recently, especially after the flood, all the
stuff that you know, I kind of experienced. Why I
was in North Carolina helping those people. I mean it
literally it looked like a combat zone over there. Yeah.
I mean PTSD is a real thing. And if you
know anybody that's got it or think they have it,
please you know, talk to them, have them reach out
to the VA. That's a great question, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yes, I told you before when we spoke for the
first time, and I'll see it again. I can't thank
you enough for your service to our country. I really
do appreciate it, and I just hate the fact that
you are dealing with the PTSD as a result.
Speaker 1: You know what, Vick, I mean, it comes with the
h it comes with the territory. I mean, you know, uh,
everybody's got it at some point. I don't care if
you were a tank mechanic or whatever. You know, it
it happens. And you know I fought it and fought it,
fought it, fought it. Fault as a ah, it's a
bunch of crap. Well you know what. That's that stupid
alpha guy in me, And now I'm learning, Hey, I'm
not ten foot tall and bulletproof. If you catch my drift.
We're all human, you know, We've all got feelings.
Speaker 2: Yes we are, and yes we do. You're right about that.
This next one up you've are, he answered, it's from
d truth. Hey, D do you wanted to know does
he think there are natural animals? And he said, yes,
he thinks they're flesh and blood. And the second part
of your question about whether he thinks that the Earth
is actually flat I'm not going to even bring up
because that's another can of worms right there. The next
question is from Auditius Hamber, and the Ambrah wants to
know Hamber. She wants to know, do you think the
dog man is born like that or bread like that?
Do you think it's natural or some type of altered being?
Speaker 1: Let lose you know, I've heard, you know, if people
talk about nephilium and you know the following angels coming
down sleeping with human women. I really don't know. All
I could say is these things are absolutely pure evil.
I don't care what anybody else says. Oh you know
that they just you know, they could be friendly now horsecrap.
I know evil when I see it. I've dealt with
evil men before. I've you know, well taken evil men out.
I've been up close and personal with evil people before.
These things are evil. I don't know if they're bred
like that. Listen, when it comes to the government, I
wouldn't put anything past them. I work for the government
or I did, so you know your guess as good
as mine. Amber. But it's a good question. I don't know.
I would love to, I would love to, you know,
figure that one out.
Speaker 2: There's so much about these guys that we don't know
and most likely never will. It's just one of those
things that comes along with all this. It really is.
It looks like Boebie girl wants to know. Yeah, you've
already answered this one as well. Her question is how
tall was the first dog? And you saw and you
said it was maybe a little bit over here, over
seven feet, didn't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's seven because I'm six one, uh and I
weighed one ninety six at the time, and this thing
definitely was double my size as far as girth and
extremely muscular. I want to say seven seven and a
half foot tall, maybe three hundred and fifty maybe four
hundred pounds it was. It was big, but it was
extremely agile.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a combination that's really hard to wrap your
mind around how big, strong, and fast these things are.
The next one up is from Ta Be or Not
to Be, and they want to know did you get
the impression that it was intelligent, that it could possibly communicate?
Speaker 1: Yes, the intelligence of these things are absolutely off the charts. Now.
In my first run in with them, I don't think
it really wanted to talk to me. I think it
actually really wanted to kill me, and a second time, well,
the same thing, but we kind of kept it busy
because we actually had firearms then. So yeah, their intelligence
is off the charts. And you know, look at it
this way. I've known a lot of animals that's a
heck of a lot smarter than most human beings are.
But the intelligence is off the charts. I mean you're
talking about a highly intelligent, mobile, agile predator, an apex predator.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there really isn't anything about these guys. It's going
to make you feel good. There really isn't. It looks
like I Conzoll has the last question I'm going to ask,
and that is would beer spray take down a dog?
Speaker 1: Men? Oh, that is a good question, and I would
be afraid to. I mean, if that's all you've got,
then you know, go for it. I mean all I
had was a knife at first, and this thing, I
swear it knew exactly what that knife was. I would
say you would definitely get its attention. I mean it's
not as good as a firearm, but hey, listen, you
know you use the tools in your toolshed, you know,
whatever you've got, just remember that your mind is your weapon.
Everything else is just a tool. Okay, So if you
got bear spray, if that's all you carry, if that's
all you want to carry, then absolutely I think that
might give you that out to you know, egress out
of the area. God. I mean, I know it works
on grizzly, so why can't it work on a dog man?
I mean, dog man's got senses also, I mean I
know they feel pain. I know that for a fact.
I definitely know they could bleed. I just don't know
about the dying part. Unfortunately or fortunately, I mean you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness, never got to that point. That wouldn't
be good at all. It really wouldn't.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for coming back on and
sharing these most recent experiences with this hondo. I really
do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I just you know what, I come on
here more to try to get some questions answered, and
you know, just kind of let people know that, you know, listen,
these things are honest to God, They're real. I mean,
they're flesh and blood people. Look, I mean some people
might get on here, you know, just to get a
good night scary story. Well okay, fine, that's all great,
but until you run into something that I was a
nod believer. I mean, if somebody told me in twenty fifteen, yeah,
there's such thing as dog man, I would have laughed
at him. I was like, man, you need to go
to a nuthouse. Baby, how I was wrong? You know,
just because I've tried to keep this light hearted this
interview doesn't mean I'm not scared. Listen, I'm scared to death.
I mean I really am. When I go in the
woods an hour before sun up to get set up,
it's a deer hunt. Oh I'm terrified. I mean I
really am. My senses are on extreme hyper vigilant alert.
So people just be careful out there, pay attention, stop, look, listen, smell. Yeah,
you could actually smell them. You smell cedar if you
don't see any cedar trees. Egress out Egress means get out,
back up, get out. You've got a bad feeling, get out.
Listen to your gut, don't be a hero, just get out.
Speaker 2: Those are some really good words of wisdom, and the
fact that you're actually able to admit your fear of
these things that puts you well ahead of people who
think they've got this under control, but they can't admit that.
So yeah, that's a really good thing. But having said that,
like I said, Hondo, thanks again so much for your timing.
In the future. If I can ever help you, please
let me know.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Listen, I won't continue to keep my diary
and I'll you know, keep you up to date. I'm
not going to and I aggrevate you, you know, or
anything like that, but I'll keep you up to date.
I mean, I'm there's a lot of stuff happening around here,
and you know, as honest to God truth, and so yeah,
I'm gonna keep copious notes and keep my ten meal handy,
so to speak. I hope I don't have to use
it on one. I hope they stay away from me.
But uh, I guess time will tell. And if you
don't hear from me in the next couple of years,
you well, I'm probably dog man crap.
Speaker 2: Hopefully that will never come to be. I really hope
it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I hope I give you diarrhea anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen, but yeah, like
you said, if it does, hopefully you will give them
some diarrhea at least. But here's the hoping it never does.
Like I said, Hondo, it sounds like you've got a
lot of activity in your area. So who's to say
that you're not going to have another experience down the road.
And if you do, like I've told you several times,
I'll be there for you. All you have to do
is just let me know.
Speaker 1: Hey, Vic, I appreciate it. And all you guys out
there love you all. We're all Americans and they even
people around the world. Man, let's try to stay free,
keep it positive. And you know, I have faith in
the Lord God because he will protect you. I mean,
I'm a prime example. I shouldn't be here speaking to
you all today. I mean, in all rights, I should
be dead a long time ago with all the stupid
stuff that I've done. But you know, just be kind
to one another, man, you know, respect each other, respect
each other's views. Just don't push those views on other people.
You know, Just let's co exist, is.
Speaker 2: Very well said. Yeah, if more people will practice those
policies would be so much further ahead. We really would.
But thanks again so much for your time, Hondo, and
have a great night. Well that's another one in the books.
I can't thank you nearly enough for joining us for
the special midweek episode of the show. I can't thank
you enough for supporting these eyewitnesses the way you do.
Like I said, I really do appreciate it. And if
you've had an encounter of your own with a dog
man that you'd like to speak with me about to
get help, or if you just would like to come
on the show and be a guest, all you have
to do is go to dogmanencounters dot com submit a report,
and if you do that, then I'll contact you and
schedule a phone consultation and we'll take it from there.
But having said that, thanks again so much for listening,
and have a great nights. English