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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for this special midweek episode of

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Dogman Encounters Radio. Really appreciate you being here. As the

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years of tick By, it's been over ten now, there

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have been certain episodes that really stand out that caught

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the listener's attention more than others due to the creep

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factor of the encounters that have been talked about and shared. Well,

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tonight's guest Hondo, he was featured on episode one thirty,

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and there's just something about the nature of his encounter

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that really got a lot of attention and seemed to

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stay on people's minds. Well, it had been a while

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since I had heard from Honda. I think I heard

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from him about a year, maybe a year and a

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half ago. He just reached out to me to touch

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base with me, but I didn't have any thoughts about

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him ever coming back on the show. I was hoping

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that after he had those experiences that he talked about

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in episode one thirty, that that would be it. Well,

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I didn't realize it, but he had already started having

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experiences after that episode aired, and it really makes me

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wonder what the future might hold for him. Well, with

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all that said, let's not waste any more time. Let's

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bring him in here now, Hondo, thanks so much for

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coming back.

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Speaker 1: Hey, mister Gundiff, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good. But do me a favor and please

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just call me vic, call me mister Kundiff. It's like

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putting a screen door in a submarine. It just doesn't fit.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, sir. I've been in one of those

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and it wasn't a great experience.

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Speaker 2: Now I bet it wasn't. Yeah, that couldn't have been

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a good time, Hondo. Since it's been so long, it's

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been over seventy years now, since you're featured on that show,

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episode one thirty, I'm sure there are a lot of

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listeners who missed that episode, or maybe they're just trying

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to catch up on all the episodes out there. With

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that in mind, please give us a bio on yourself.

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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, I go by the name Hondo. That's my

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call sign of military. I've got over Oh god, twenty

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six years military experience over twenty four with special operations.

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Retired out. I'm an avid hunter, love bear hunting, love

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running my bar hounds, fishing, camping, you know, just a

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just to have it outdoorsman. Try to be a peaceful guy.

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But you know, sometimes life is unexpectedly turns a twist

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and you've you've got to bring those military aspects back

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to life. She catch my drift.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that you do, You definitely do. Sometimes over the

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years there have been people, some tough customers who have

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had a hard time. It seems like it wasn't just

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the dog man encounter they had a really hard time

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dealing with, but it's almost like their pride was hurt

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because they consider themselves to be such tough guys. They

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thought that even by having a dog man encounter and

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in some cases bad ones too, but they almost felt

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a shamed by how their encounters affected them. And I've

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tried to explain them. There was one eyewitness, I think

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he's six foot five, six foot six, and he was

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a beard knuckle fighter, fistfighter on the weekends and he

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did it for money, and not because he wasn't good

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at it either. He was good at he was a

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tough ombre, and he had a dog mean encounter and

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felt really bad about the fear that he felt and

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all that I tried to explain to him. I mean,

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when you think about what you're up against, I mean,

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it doesn't matter what you brought to the table as

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far as toughness. You were outclassed by so much that

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I mean, you're right on the same level as a

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little boy compared to this thing that you encountered. So

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don't feel any shame. Well, if someone like you, with

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your credentials, all those years of experience and the Special Forces,

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a Delta operator, all that, if you were affected by

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your encounters the way you were, then I mean, no

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one should feel embarrassed at all by by being fearful

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after having an experience with one of these guys.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Lisa bag I'm not ashamed to say it. Hey, yeah,

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you know what, I had to change my drawers. I mean,

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you know, it is what it is. You know, Listen,

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you're not facing a fighter standing in front of you,

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you know, baron nuckles. You're not facing Taliban, You're not

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facing al Qaeda with you know guns. It's three hundred

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and fifty pounds, maybe five hundred pounds of teeth, fur things.

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I mean, the ultimate apex predator. So if somebody's butt

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heard about, you know, facing one of these things that,

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I don't know what to say. I mean, Jesus, I

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was scared of death. I mean, you know, I'm terrified now.

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I mean, honest to God, I'm literally looking over here

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to make sure my pistol is beside of me because

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I've got my garage store open here Tennessee, and I'm

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surrounded by bare hounds. And as you know, I sent

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you a picture of my wolf on her birthday. I

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don't know if you got that text or not. She's

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eating her birthday cake.

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Speaker 2: I did, and she's a big one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, she's uh yeah, she's upwards of one

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hundred and fifty six pounds now, so you know, and

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I should feel safe here, but you know I would

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have three or four years ago, I don't now. So,

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they are smart. I'm scared to death of them. I mean,

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I hoist to God, I really am. They scare me to.

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Speaker 2: Death, yeah, rightfully. So, yeah, when you strip away all

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the toughness and all the experience that anyone has their size,

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all that there's still so outclasped by one of these

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things that, I mean, you are human underneath all that.

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they realize how severely outclassed they are, and that's where

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all that fear comes from. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you

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are only human after all, So it's only natural when

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you feel that way. It just really hurts when you

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talk with someone it seems like they're more hurt about

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are so afraid when they think they shouldn't because they're

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supposed to be so tough. It's just really sad when

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you run into someone like that who just can't almost

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has a harder time dealing with that than the actual

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encounter itself, is what I'm trying to get at here.

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It's been so long since you came on episode one

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thirty there and told us about that first encounter that

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I'm thinking, if you don't mind, could you walk us

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through what happened that night when you did have that

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first encounter, so that it kind of sets the table

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and it'll ring a lot of bells in people's minds

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who maybe have a listened to that episode in years

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upon years.

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Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, first and foremost, listen, you know people that

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they are I think the fear of, you know, being afraid,

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if that makes any sense that. I mean, come on now, Jesus,

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you just experienced something that you've never experienced before in

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your life. You've met the ultimate killing machine, and you're

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ashamed of being afraid. No, I mean, admit it. You

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just faced down pure evil and you walked away from it,

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ran away from it. I hope you didn't try to run.

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here to tell your story, you know. So listen. There's

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always bigger, badder, tougher people out there than you, and

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definitely things like I guess dog man, I mean, you know,

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so God listen, you know, I don't blame them for

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being afraid. I mean, I'm scared of that. Every operation

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I ever went on, I was afraid. Yeah, I mean,

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there's that fear factor, but your training kicks in and

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you learn to kind of push that to the back

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of your mind and worry about the operation, worry about

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what you got to do, what your job is. You know,

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your brothers beside you, in front of you, behind you

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are depending on you, so you know you've got to

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be on your toes on that. So having said that, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let me interject really quick. You're sitting in that sounds

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like your chair is squeaking and creaking the light. Is

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there any way to replace that chair with something else

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to sit on because it's kind of making it hard

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to focus on what you're telling us?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, thank you. Sorry, I've got a curve dog that

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just absolutely loves to jump on a chair over here,

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so let me move that. So yeah, back in twenty

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sixteen fall the twenty sixteen, I just got back off

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a tour from Afghanistan and got home and you know,

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everything's kind of closing in on me, so I wanted

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to get out and just you know, I was home

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all leave. So I decided to go up to the

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mountains place called a Nick Patch. So I just grabbed MRI.

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I wanted to still stay in shape, fight in shape,

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so I put on my plate carrier. All I took

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was a couple of MRIs By plate carrier went hiking.

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I think it was like five miles. But anyway, make

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a long story short, I met some people coming down,

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two females and a male. They was happy, go lucky.

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I mean nothing that would throw off my spider senses,

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you know, I you know, if they were acting weird,

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then you know, as something might be going on. But no,

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and that's when it happened. You know, if people could

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go back and you know do episode was at one thirty,

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yes sir, yeah, okay, episode one thirty. So I have

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never heard of one of these things before. I mean, yeah,

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I've heard of a werewolf as far as the movies go.

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Danish Viking than anything. Go figure. Right, So that night

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everything was peaceful, everything just you know, birds were going

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to bed, you know, everything was getting ready to go

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to sleep, you know how animals do. The night creatures

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were just starting to come out, and I think it

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was about maybe hour two hours. I think it was

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like zero one hundred zero one third when this actually

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started happening. I swear to you, I believe the wind

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stopped blowing. I heard a crack, if memory serves me correctly,

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like a large branch breaking that was laying on the ground.

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on the ground. I mean you could tell it's a

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different sound than it fallen from a tree. So that

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kind of got my attention. I happened. I got up

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and this thing which I literally at first, I don't

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think I explained this well in the first episode, but

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I jumped up. This was no bear. This thing was

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absolutely huge. You had the head of a wolf. Had

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to be three hundred and fifty some pounds. But anyway,

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you guys could go back to episode one point thirty

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and Jesus, I got chills thinking about it. Now. It's autist.

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To god, I've got goose bumps to it. That absolutely

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terrifies me. But anyway, there was a pretty big standoff there.

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This thing came at me on all fours. I stood up.

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I put my back to the fire before because I

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heard that sound, and before I saw it, I wanted

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to get my night vision, so I put my back

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to the fire, and I wanted to get my night

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vision back, so to speak, because you know your ocular lens,

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there's that light differential there, so you want to get

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used to that darkness and have your eyes trained to,

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you know, pick up in low light situations. So anyway,

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I did that, and that's when this thing came out.

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I oh god, I'm sorry, Beck, I'm trying to keep

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my stuff. You know, some of the experiences I've had

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here lately, everything's just kind of coming back to me.

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But so I got up, I got on the boss

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my feet, and I drew my knife. It's this thing charged.

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definitely not a bear. It stood up on two legs.

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It looked at that knife. It knew exactly, I swear

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I believe it knew exactly what that knife was. And

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it's an old Filipino Folo knife. It's old Filipino you know,

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fighting knife, which they used a World War two and

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they still use it today. I absolutely love it. Matter

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of fact, I've still got it. It backed up. Man.

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When it did, it led out a roar like I

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have never heard before in my life. It felt like

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it was going through my soul. This thing came in

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and out at me almost all not long. It used

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tactics like no other animal that I've ever known before

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in my life. It would try to outflight me. It

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would try you know, noise disci one. It's off the charts.

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The intelligence that these things have. When I finally egressed

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out of there, God, I think the sun rose it

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maybe zero five thirty, zero four forty five or zero

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five forty five, if I'm not mistaken something like that.

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I don't know. It's it's been so long. But when

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the first rays of light, those blessed rays of light

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started showing, I started to egress. Of course, I made

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sure the fire was at least tried to anyway, but

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I really won't worried about it because I really wanted

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to get the heck out of there and got out

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of there. So yeah, that was That was my very

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first experience with that, and it's me to this day.

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I mean, I still have dreams about it every now

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and then.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you do. You have an experience like that.

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You had some work to do out in the field

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after that as an operator. How compromised were you after

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you finally saw with your own two eyes what was

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really out there in the dark and what could possibly

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be out there in the shadows wherever you went and

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were deployed.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, when I went back in, I you know,

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on missions, I you know, it's it's all about the mission.

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I really didn't think about that. I you know, I

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concentrated on my job, what I was supposed to do,

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and you know, of my team, you know, if that

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makes any sense, I really didn't. I mean, of course,

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I'm sure it was in the back of my mind,

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but you know, being Afghanistan, Iraq, whether it's Africa, wherever else,

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you know that I've done stuff which I'm not going

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to go into because I've signed NDA's non disclosure agreements.

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Really didn't concentrate on it. But I mean, yeah, I

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mean sometimes yeah, I mean it was in the back

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of my mind, you know, but I really wasn't worried

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about it time, because I mean, look, I've got some

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of the best guys actually, I know for a fact,

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the best operators in the world with me. So maybe

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that's why, you know, I didn't worry about it that much,

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if that makes any sense. I mean, these guys are

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the alpha males. I mean, these guys are the door kickers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you had some good men around you, that's for sure.

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I'd say some of the most capable men that there

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are in the world around you. So yeah, that's going

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to bring a lot of comfort almost anyone, it really is. Well, Hondo,

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let's play ketchup now, and please tell us about everything

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that's been going on and that you've experienced since you're

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on episode one thirty. Now, please take your time and

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be as descriptive as you possibly can be.

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Speaker 1: Yes, well, you know, I'm sorry, Beck. I hate to

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have to admit this, but you know I haven't kept

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up with dog man encounters as much as I should.

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First and foremost I should apologize for that. But it's

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just something that once I made my peace and after

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everything that happened, I kind of, you know, close that

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chapter in my life. You know, I actually had some closure.

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That's something we haven't talked about. Maybe you and I

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talk about it one on one at some point. Like

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I said, I don't want to get in trouble with

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certain entities out there, but I got married to the

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girlfriend that you know i'd mentioned back in twenty seventeen

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and moved to Greenville, Tennessee. There in the city, and

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you know, we lived there for two years and then

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decided to buy some property out here in Green County

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and absolutely still love it out here. I bought a

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cabin with ten acres, and you know, everything was great

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until here recently, actually August believe it was August twenty

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sixth or August. It's between August twenty sixth and August

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twenty eight It's what I've gotten my diary. I'm horrible

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about keeping my diary. But anyway, kind of going through

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a divorce, you know what actually went through a divorce,

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so everything was just kind of doom and gloom there

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and I just decided to drive up on top of

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the mountain and set and anybody knows Viking Mountain here,

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you could you can drive up on top of the

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Viking Mountain and you can look out and you can

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see Greenville, Green County all the lights. It's beautiful, especially

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on a clear night. It's just absolutely gorgeous. About seventy degrees. Yeah,

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I know, that's the sniper in me. I always keep

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you know, the what you humidity is and everything else.

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I know, on a dor or a brain dead either one.

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So went up there. I drove up there and there

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was a I'm assuming it was a male and a female.

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I don't know. I mean nowadays really don't care in

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a blue Honda. I'm sure you know they was they

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was doing something, you know. Anyway, I just kind of

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threw my arm out the window, like hey, you know,

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I mean, no harm and I just drove on by

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and I parked at the very end of the parking there.

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So I said, I had a couple of root beers,

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not flavor or not Bark's root Beer. Brought some bars

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root beer and my old hound dog, Winchester. Yeah. I know,

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I am a redneck when it comes naming the dogs.

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I mean, come on now. Yeah, he kind of gave

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me some grief on the blue ticks, but hey, I

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love my blue ticks. You can't be a Tennessee bear

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hound guy without a blue tick. Anyway, was sent up there,

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and I guess we sit there for maybe an hour,

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just you know, kind of looking out and VIC. Honest

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to God, I have never heard well I have, but

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it was unbelievable. A sound that, oh my God, will

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absolutely reverberate through the mountains. It was like a hoot,

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all right, it sounded like an ape, okay, like, oh god,

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I don't know, some kind of large monkey. And then

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all of a sudden, I heard a sound that I

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will never forget because I experienced it myself as I

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faced it several years past. And it couldn't have been

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more than five hundred meters down the ridge of where

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I was parked at, so it was two distinct sounds.

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And then it sounded like the whole mountain was getting

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tore around. This went on for almost five minutes. I've

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never heard anything like. I mean, within the first thirty

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to forty five seconds, the people that was, you know,

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doing what they was doing there in the old blue Honda,

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they fired that sucker up and they headed out. I

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guess they thought I was complete moron for setting there,

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but maybe I should have left. But it was you know,

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I've heard that sound before and I know exactly what

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that was. But there was branches breaking. I mean, it

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sounded like trees were being snapped in half. The screaming,

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the I'm not going to say howling it was. I

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can't describe the sound that this thing made, but it

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was a fight for fights. I mean, listen if Allie

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and Joe Frazier were fighting today and they weighed five

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hundred pounds apiece. That would definitely be the rumble ind

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of jungle. That's how loud that was. And I estimated

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it was about five hundred meters. I'm pretty good at

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estimating ranges. But it was absolutely unbelievable. I have never

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heard anything like that before. I mean, I don't know.

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I'm not saying it was sasquatching dog man fighting. I

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don't know. I couldn't see. I mean, it was dark,

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it was right at eleven eleven thirty something like that.

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I have no clue. I mean, I'm I'm pretty sure

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that's what it was. But I've heard that these things

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don't like each other, which you know, I don't blame them,

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and I f I bigfoot. I wouldn't like dog man either,

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you know. But after that, you know, I kind of

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started researching it more. And I guess they do, from

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time to time run into each other as far as

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they're migratory, or at least that's what some researchers say

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that dog men are kind of migratory, so every now

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and then they kind of have a run in with

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each other. I don't know what is your input on

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that fit.

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Speaker 2: Well, normally I think they mix like will and a watter,

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But there have been some credible eyewitnesses who've reported it

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over the years, seeing them interacting with each other. So

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I guess under certain circumstances they do mix, and they

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do apparently work together. But yeah, I think normally that's

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an exception and not the rule. I think they try

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to stay separate. It seems like in certain areas where

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there's a definite presence of both, normally you're going to

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find some type of a dividing line, be it a

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creek or a mountain range or something where okay, that's

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Sasquatch territory on this side is dog mean territory. That's

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not always the case, but there are a lot of

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instances where people have noticed that someone who actually lives

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in an area where they've got both around, someone who's

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been in that area for a long time, they've had

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the time to notice. Okay, well, anytime on this side

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of the creek, I've had Sasquatch experiences, if I've had

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dog mean encounters, they've always been on that side of

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the creek. So yeah, there are credible eye witnesses out

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there who've reported that sort of thing. But like I said,

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that's not always the rule. There are exceptions that would.

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Speaker 1: Seem okay, that's something that I meant to ask you

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when we spoke, but I wasn't for sure. Like I said,

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I you know, I don't know much about bigfoot. You know,

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my people with Cherokee, we respect them, but we don't

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talk about them. I know in other Native Americans, as

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far as the dog man goes, that's that's definitely taboo.

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I mean, you don't speak of it. I guess it's

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in the same category as a skin walker. Maybe I

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don't know, but I know they are flesh and blood.

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But that that was just, uh, that was unbelievable. I mean,

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as soon as I heard that distinct sound and it,

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you know, it brought me right back to Shady Valley

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where I had my experience and I was frozen. I mean, yeah,

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I always go armed. I mean I was, you know,

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I had my pistol in my hand, but I still

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stayed there like an idiot for some reason. I mean,

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I knew it was far off. I wish to God,

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like we talked about if I could have been five

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hundred foot up in the air and washed it on

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a thermal. That would have been a fight. I'm assuming

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that's what they was saying. There's no other explanation for

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all that racket going on for almost five minutes. I

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mean I didn't time it, but it seemed like five minutes.

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I mean they really going at it. I mean literally,

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it's like life and death. I mean these two entities

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or creatures or monsters, whatever you want to call them,

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I mean really going at it. But I wasn't stupid

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enough to go down there the next day to look

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and see what happened either, because I kind of know better,

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you know, basically after my experience. So that I said

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that happened in August. So as everybody knows, Hurricane Helene

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really clobbered us here in Greenville, especially in North Carolina,

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Western North Carolina. I mean it really nailed us. It

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flooded ar Nolah Chucky River. You know, we lost two

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main bridges, almost lost the bridge on the Old Ashville Highway.

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It was compromised there for about twenty four forty eight hours.

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I actually could not get back to the house to

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check on my dogs, which are my babies, and if

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y'all have listened to episode one thirty. My dogs are

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my babies. I absolutely love my animals, so I was

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kind of freaking out about that. But anyway, Hurricane Helene

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hit and really clabbered us. It was god awful. So

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finally got home, checked on my dogs and my two cats. Yeah,

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somebody dropped off two cats and love and behold, I

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get to take care of them. Anyway, I decided, you know,

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I heard that, I mean people on Black Mountain, North Carolina,

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on the other side of Madison County, just like five

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miles from where I live, really got hit hard. I

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mean they lost homes, there was people missing. And I

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had a buddy that the former excuse me, former one

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sixty of sword Pilot and he actually flies hughes five hundreds,

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which if you guys don't know, that's our little birds

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what we call them special Forces little birds M eight

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six is. But this is civilian type, and he flies

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to survey power lines and stuff. I reached out to

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him and asked him if he was in the area

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and if he could get me over into North Carolina

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to fly in and he said absolutely, So I grabbed

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a couple of medpacks that I had left over from

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my quote unquote glory days, and he flew me over

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into North Carolina because there was no other way to

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get in there except for Helo at the time. So

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I went in there, inserted set up triage. You know.

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I mean, there was one doctor that was there local.

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I'm not gonna say his name. I don't want to,

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you know, point anybody out, whether good or bad. So

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I did that for about three or four days. And

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but anyway, uh, we we heard of a family family

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00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,480
that was got off about three miles up and we

471
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:47,519
got access to some four wheelers, so you know, I said, well,

472
00:35:47,639 --> 00:35:49,039
you know, we at least need to go in there

473
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:53,360
check on them because they've got kids. So we geared

474
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,000
up and we went up there to uh to get

475
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,199
this family out, which we did and brought them back.

476
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,559
The little girl had a couple of broken fingers. I

477
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:11,000
can't remember how she broke them, but we got them

478
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:15,960
set and patched up. But anyway, this same family, about

479
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,719
two days later, I was talking about going back up

480
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:28,920
there because I heard rumors that there was a couple

481
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,599
of other people up in there in that particular valley,

482
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:36,280
And the gentleman come up to me and said no,

483
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:38,880
you really don't want to go up there. And I

484
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,840
was like, well, sir, you know why. I mean, we

485
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,920
need to get these people out. And he's like well,

486
00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:51,760
and he's like, you really don't want to go up there. Well.

487
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,360
It took some pushing and coaxing and trying to talk

488
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,239
to him. So he finally pulled me to the side

489
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,960
and he said, look, son, I know what you are.

490
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,480
You know, he saw my tattoos Special Forces. He said,

491
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:13,960
I'm not trying to scare you. I'm not trying to

492
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,519
tell you what you can or can't do. But he said,

493
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:20,400
I'm telling you you don't want to go in that valley.

494
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:27,840
So he finally finally started talking to me, and he

495
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,920
opened up to me and he said he was deer

496
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,119
hunting the year before. He had a tree stand. I'm

497
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:39,440
not I don't know, maybe three hundred and fifty meters

498
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,159
from his cabin, which lives on the side of the

499
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:48,920
ridge facing down the north west. If I'm not mistaken,

500
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:54,039
if I memory serves me correctly, I believe it's the northwest.

501
00:37:54,639 --> 00:38:01,320
He said he was deer hunting and it was upwards.

502
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:08,920
It was almost thirty minutes before you know, evening. You

503
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,519
know which no shooting after that, I mean right before dark,

504
00:38:15,559 --> 00:38:20,920
and yes, deer come out. He was waiting. There was

505
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,519
three or four dough and he was waiting. He knew

506
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:25,519
there was a buck coming because it was right in

507
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:30,320
the rut, That's what he said. So he was waiting

508
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:33,719
and waiting and waiting. Then all of a sudden, he said,

509
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:40,039
the buck come crashing down the ridge. The dough scattered.

510
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:46,679
The buck I mean was hauling high end, and he said,

511
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,000
he happened. He just had a feeling that something was

512
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,920
chasing me. He figured it either was a dog or

513
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,760
a code or you know whatever. And he said, well,

514
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:01,360
I'm going to kill the sucker. He looked over and

515
00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:05,519
when he did, he said, this big black shape come

516
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,760
flying out through there. And he said, he turned that

517
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:13,239
safety off of that Remington seven hundred, and he said,

518
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,360
as soon as it clicked, that thing skidded to a

519
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:21,679
hawk which was on all fours. And he said, boy,

520
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:28,280
I'm telling you, it stood up on two legs, looked

521
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,639
up and turned and looked directly at me like he

522
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,079
knew exactly where I was at. And he described to

523
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:44,039
me Verbadom that it had the head of a wolf.

524
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:54,199
Tell he described the hands just like he said, son,

525
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,440
they was like raccoon hands, except the heck of a

526
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:01,920
lot bigger. He said. It had to have been over

527
00:40:02,119 --> 00:40:06,800
seven foot tall. And he said it was almost pitched black.

528
00:40:09,159 --> 00:40:12,800
He said. When it turned and looked at me, he said,

529
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,440
it bared its teeth, and he said he saw things.

530
00:40:19,519 --> 00:40:24,559
He said that looked almost ungodly. And he said, it's

531
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:28,360
scared the living you know what out of him, and

532
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:35,000
I'm keeping it pg F. He said, I was absolutely terrified.

533
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:43,000
It turned, it looked, it sat there and it stared

534
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:47,360
at him, he said, which seemed like forever, he said,

535
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,119
but it's I mean, it was just a few seconds.

536
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:56,760
It casually got back down on all fours, walked around

537
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:03,159
a little bit, almost like in a zigzag, stopped, got

538
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,559
up and looked at him again on two legs, and

539
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:17,400
then walked on two legs. He said, for he's estibating that,

540
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,559
I don't know. I walked there. I didn't see it

541
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:24,719
for he said, ten to fifteen feet, and then got

542
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:32,159
back down and then ran off. This man said, he

543
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:38,480
sat there, got on his cell phone and called his brother,

544
00:41:38,639 --> 00:41:42,199
which is a sheriff's deputy up there, to come and

545
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:50,360
get him. Out, and that same sheriff's deputy he called

546
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,320
over the next day and verified that story with me,

547
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,559
and that spoke volumes. I believed the man because he

548
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:05,639
was absolutely shaken when he was telling me that. But

549
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:11,079
the next day that sheriff's deputy was there and he said,

550
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,800
I want you, you know, I want you to come

551
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,800
over here and talk to this man here. And we

552
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,920
sat there and talked for a while, and he, you know,

553
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,679
he said, I've already told him what happened, and he

554
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:29,000
said I want to hear you know, you tell him

555
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:37,480
what happened, and that sheriff's deputy did verbatim. So you know,

556
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,280
I mean, there's no reason for these people to lie

557
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,599
to me, especially for what I was up there doing,

558
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:49,679
you know what I'm saying.

559
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:51,119
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I do.

560
00:42:53,079 --> 00:42:58,079
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it's not that far from where I live.

561
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:07,920
I mean literally, it's it's thirty seven miles as the

562
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:13,199
crow flies or as the dog man runs, or however

563
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,880
you want to put it. I mean, there was, you know,

564
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:22,000
there was some others that kind of you know, he

565
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,519
introduced me through some other people that you know, kind

566
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:31,079
of had their feelings about it also. I mean, so

567
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:36,039
it's something that they know about, but they really don't

568
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,079
like to talk about. But I mean, people are afraid

569
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,039
I'll be up there, so evidently, I mean, people have

570
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:48,519
experienced this thing before. I mean, maybe not like this

571
00:43:48,639 --> 00:43:53,119
gentleman did. Maybe they heard it or you know, or

572
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,960
heard somebody that you know, heard of somebody that saw

573
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,000
something like that. But I mean it's I mean, people

574
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:03,920
are really afraid of this thing up there. Look, I

575
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,880
don't blame them. I mean, Jesus, I'm scared to death

576
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,679
of it myself. So it's you know, all this is

577
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:20,679
just why this is happening now, you know, it's just

578
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,000
kind of got me thinking of, you know, the experiences

579
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:30,199
that I had and what I did later on. I mean,

580
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:36,199
is you know, it's this blood for blood type to you,

581
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:39,239
you know what. But it I mean, it's really not

582
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:44,360
about me. It's just I don't know why this has

583
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,679
come back in my life since it's been so many

584
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:56,880
years ago that I've had this experience. But unfortunately, that's

585
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:03,719
you know, not it. See when was that I've got

586
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:10,760
a look in my note here believe it was. Oh,

587
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:16,360
I've got it right here, Vick. I'm sorry. No, here

588
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:22,320
we go open a day of muzzle loader season. I've

589
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,199
setting out with glass and I've got some property that

590
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,800
I hunt on and it neighbors a two hundred and

591
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:36,639
fifty acre property, and usually the deer come out through

592
00:45:36,679 --> 00:45:39,159
there and I could glass them and wait till they get,

593
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,159
you know, on the property that I'm allowed to hunt.

594
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:44,360
A matter of fact, I'm allowed to hunt on both now,

595
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:54,360
but early it's early evening. I'm thinking it was God,

596
00:45:54,719 --> 00:46:02,199
it was almost about forty five minutes before dawn, before

597
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:07,519
the sun set. I was watching some deer and all

598
00:46:07,559 --> 00:46:10,239
of a sudden, I mean I've been watching them for

599
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:14,760
thirty forty five minutes. You know, he's got a big

600
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,280
clover patch up there, so they usually take their time.

601
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,840
They eat their clover, then come over and they start

602
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:27,920
eating sweet grass where I hunt. All of a sudden,

603
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,360
I start seeing a white tail, a white tail, A

604
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,239
white tail, a white tail, and any hunter out their nose.

605
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,440
When you see a white tail on a white tail,

606
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:41,960
you know they're getting ready to book it. They all

607
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:47,320
started hauling the male. I mean they were motivate, and

608
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,119
I was like, what in the world. I was looking

609
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,320
through a spoder scope, so I mean I had a

610
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:57,119
wide view. I see two small black shapes. I'm like,

611
00:46:57,519 --> 00:47:00,639
are you kidding me? There's flipping coots chase them. So

612
00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,239
I was getting ready to get to O three to

613
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,800
eight and start throwing some lead on coots, you know,

614
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,679
as I can't stand coots anyway, Sorry for any of

615
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:13,880
you coyot lovers out there. They're a nuisance around here.

616
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:18,840
But I got to looking for it. I said, my god,

617
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:26,679
that's they're huge bick. I'm telling you these were not coots.

618
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:33,360
I've got a wide angle spoder scope. Sorry military, I

619
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:39,719
may or may not have kept on anyway. Yeah, I

620
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:44,800
mean very detailed spotting scope. I mean you can really

621
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:52,199
they're top of the line sharp ears. If this was

622
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,880
a cow. They were both black, and they both had

623
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,800
to have weighed over one hundred and fifty to one hundred.

624
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:06,000
It's seventy five pounds apiece. I'm guesstimating I was approximately

625
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,119
five hundred and sixty meters maybe a little farther than

626
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:18,400
that away from where I was at, but I've you know,

627
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:21,320
and then I was like, well, heck, it's got a bit,

628
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,320
you know it. It's probably a bear. I was like, well,

629
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,320
there's not too bear chasing too Deer bear usually don't

630
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:35,840
do that, you know, but you could actually see the

631
00:48:36,199 --> 00:48:39,440
lean muscle when these things are running. I mean, this

632
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:44,119
happened really quick. I mean they covered about I want

633
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:50,119
to say, one hundred meters. I mean extremely fast. I

634
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,239
swear up and down if I you know, in my mind,

635
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,480
I could pause and I could see it. I believe

636
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:04,199
they were and all dog men, and I really don't

637
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,280
want to think that way, but that's the only explanation

638
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,239
I've got. I know they wasn't bear. I know for

639
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:16,039
a fact they weren't kyotes. There's no way. And I've

640
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:21,800
never seen a bear move that fast and that lean ever.

641
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,880
Matter of fact, I've never seen a bear chase a deer,

642
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:29,320
and I've been hunting bear for a long time. Matter

643
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,159
of fact, I've been up close and personal with bear

644
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,880
in a laurel thicket, you know, hounds on top of

645
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,800
the bear, the bear on the hounds, and I have

646
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,760
to crawl in there and put a pistol it's head

647
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,159
and shoot it before it kills one of the hounds.

648
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:50,760
You know, There's no way that could have been a bear,

649
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:59,639
no way, and there was two of them, so I

650
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:11,480
just I can't explain it. I've heard weird stuff, you know,

651
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:21,239
hunting in that area before. I've heard some hoops, I've

652
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:31,920
heard branches breaking. I mean yeah, at first I thought

653
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,199
it was the cows. But then I start looking and

654
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,239
I know off his cows. I know how many cows

655
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,760
he's got, because I always got to keep track of

656
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,960
his cows, because I don't want to shoot a deer

657
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:46,039
and it, you know, the bullet the trajectory passed through

658
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:49,199
the deer and injure one of his cows. I just

659
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:54,800
you know, I well, I'm good like that. I don't

660
00:50:54,840 --> 00:51:00,519
want to, you know, have frightnicide so to speak. You know,

661
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,159
I want to respect somebody's property and you know, people's livestock.

662
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:11,599
So I don't know of anything that big unless it

663
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,440
was a five six hundred pound bear making sounds like

664
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:20,519
that in the woods. I don't know. It's like I've

665
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,519
got more questions than I do answers at this point.

666
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:29,360
Bick and I'm listen. I mean, I am. I'm afraid.

667
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:35,199
I'm man enough to admit it. You know, this stuff

668
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:41,880
going on, I don't know what to do at this point.

669
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,639
Speaker 2: Well, my best advice would be to keep on doing

670
00:51:46,679 --> 00:51:48,880
what you're doing. I think you're going to be just fine.

671
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,760
If you think about all the time you've spent out

672
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,519
in the woods, I mean, you're a beer hunter from

673
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:55,360
way back. If you think about all the time you've

674
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,079
spent in the woods and how many opportunities these things

675
00:51:58,079 --> 00:51:59,800
have had to take you out but they never have,

676
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:02,440
then that there is going to tell you everything you

677
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,639
need to know. I'm never going to say that you

678
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,639
can't run into a deviant one that will hurt you

679
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:11,280
if it gets the opportunity, because anything out there, you

680
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,880
name it, you're gonna have deviant examples, even people. But

681
00:52:15,559 --> 00:52:18,360
odds are you're not going to run into one of those.

682
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,440
And that right there is why after all these years

683
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,480
and years that you've been spending in the woods, you

684
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:27,079
haven't had a single hair in your head. Armed that's

685
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:29,719
a testament to that. But yet answer your question, I

686
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,760
think the best way to handle this is just to

687
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,320
keep on doing what you've been doing. And I think

688
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,519
everything's going to be just fine. I really do.

689
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: Now.

690
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,559
Speaker 2: I know it's one thing to hear that and to

691
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:43,800
implement that, But when you're sitting there and you've got

692
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:47,480
your dogs around and the garage doors up, and sitting

693
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,719
with your back to that open garage door at night.

694
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,920
I know it's easier said than done, and I understand that.

695
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:56,519
I get that. But yeah, as long as you just

696
00:52:56,599 --> 00:53:01,960
try to stay stay so treating level with your thoughts

697
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,880
regarding the fact that these guys are definitely out there,

698
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,280
I think you're going to be just fine. I really do.

699
00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: Well. I hope, Afraid to God, you're right. I mean,

700
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,760
I don't want to have another showdown with one. I mean,

701
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:23,440
if that's what you can call it, you know, I mean,

702
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:27,760
I know for a fact these things could bleed. I

703
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,320
know they're made of flesh and blood. I mean I

704
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:36,360
have spilt their blood. I know that for a fact.

705
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,840
I don't want another confrontation with these things. I really don't.

706
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:46,119
But at the same time, God, I don't know how

707
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:51,480
to put this. I feel like something's coming. There's something

708
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,800
that's going to happen at some point that's going to

709
00:53:54,960 --> 00:54:00,239
bring all this back to pre wishing again and really

710
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:01,079
don't want that.

711
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully that's not going to happen. Some people have

712
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,920
the mindset that if you focus on any one thing

713
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,239
too much, the odds of it actually coming true or heightened.

714
00:54:12,599 --> 00:54:14,519
I don't know if there's any truth to that. But

715
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:18,360
at the same time, why I tempt fate so I

716
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:19,800
try not to.

717
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: See, yeah exactly, I mean, that's it. And unfortunately, and

718
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:28,559
you know, that's kind of why I hung my guns

719
00:54:28,639 --> 00:54:33,119
up there. You know, for a while, I stopped following

720
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:38,400
all this. You know, I made my point, you know,

721
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:46,440
to hit them, you know, and I just we had

722
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:51,679
our issue. We're done, and I just want to be

723
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,760
left alone. And I think, you know, like you and

724
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,519
I talked about, I believe that they respect did that

725
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:04,480
in some kind of weird way. I don't know, but

726
00:55:06,159 --> 00:55:11,039
you know, why now, why all this happening now, all

727
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:15,719
within the last six months. Another thing, I speaking of

728
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:22,679
bear hunting. Back the second day of opening bear season,

729
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:25,639
some guys in North Carolina was over here on the

730
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:31,880
Tennessee side. It was, oh god, I don't know. It

731
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:37,400
was right at daybreak, and I was getting ready to

732
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,800
go up to meet my buddy at his cabin up

733
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:45,840
there on Viking Mountain Road and stopped. I mean there

734
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:49,039
was a guy coming out of the woods. I mean

735
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:55,199
his hounds beat him to the truck, I mean literally.

736
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:59,039
So I stopped, was, hey, you guys on one already,

737
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:05,480
and he said a couple of explicitis basically no, no, no,

738
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:10,880
And I'm not going back up there ever, because evidently

739
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,360
they had they thought they had, you know, got a

740
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:17,559
head on a bear, and they let some of their

741
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:21,559
hands loose. And those hands and you know, those hounds

742
00:56:22,119 --> 00:56:26,639
vic bear, heund ain't afraid of much. They're just not

743
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:30,079
I mean, they were standing to fight a bear. Whell.

744
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,639
They're ignorant. They're kind of like me. They just don't care,

745
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,960
he said. He he dropped that tailgate and let them

746
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:41,199
dogs out, and he said it what fifteen minutes later

747
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,679
he went after the dogs, you know, kind of tracking

748
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:49,280
hat his garment. He said, the dogs almost run over

749
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,800
top of him. He said he heard the god awful

750
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,760
this racket that ever was in some kind of roar.

751
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:57,599
He said, the dogs almost run over top of him.

752
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:05,320
Get back the other way. So whatever it was scared

753
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:09,400
the living daylights out of those dogs. I can't think

754
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:15,480
of anything that scared those dogs. I know those old boys,

755
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:20,679
they're out of Madison County. I know them, and they've

756
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:22,559
got some very good dogs.

757
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,679
Speaker 2: Did you see if those were plot hounds?

758
00:57:27,679 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: Uh? Some were ploted. Uh. He had a couple of

759
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,199
red ticks and he's got one. Uh one walker, if

760
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,519
I'm not mistaken. Oh god, what's that walker's name? I

761
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:44,880
walked it the ally Woods couple of years ago. Oh god,

762
00:57:45,039 --> 00:57:49,280
hang on a minute. Uh hank, oh hank, it's his

763
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:55,760
walker dog. Hey, that walker dog's good dog. But oh Bob,

764
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,880
he's worked down. He's not going to go back up in.

765
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,320
He's not going to cut loose up in there anymore.

766
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:05,559
He said. I don't know what it was. He said,

767
00:58:05,559 --> 00:58:11,400
I've never heard anything like it. I mean, he was

768
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,840
stolen dogs in the truck as I was coming down,

769
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,840
because I thought they was on the sin of one.

770
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:22,039
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, beer dogs. They don't turn in tuck tail

771
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:23,920
and run for the truck like that. If they beat

772
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,280
him to the truck, yeah, that tells me everything about

773
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:27,440
their mindset.

774
00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: He said, Sun, I'm telling you they almost run over

775
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,679
top of me. I mean I was laughing at him

776
00:58:35,679 --> 00:58:39,519
at first, and I was thinking that God, they run

777
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:43,400
into a cougar. Then you know, I was like, uh,

778
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:48,400
they'd probably ran that cougar. But he, I mean, once

779
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,480
he described that sound, he said, I've never heard anything

780
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:58,400
like that before in my life. I mean, I've got

781
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:03,519
a laugh. I mean, it's funny because you know, I've

782
00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:07,239
been in his place before. You understand what I'm saying.

783
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,199
So you know, at least I'm not the only one

784
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:16,119
that experiences something like this. And you know, all the

785
00:59:16,199 --> 00:59:19,719
dogs made it out. All the dogs are smart enough

786
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:26,519
to run, thank god. You know. Just it's kind of

787
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:30,719
funny that, you know, you let four actually it was

788
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,599
five hands that he cut loose, and he said every

789
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:35,960
one of them almost run him over getting back to

790
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:36,440
the truck.

791
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a pretty funny visualization when you think

792
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:42,840
about what that must have looked like. But I don't

793
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,559
blame him. That would have shaken anyone up. Poor guy,

794
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:47,079
that's not good at all.

795
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: Trying not to laugh, but at the same time it

796
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,119
kind of scared me. I'm like, oh great, well, you know, man,

797
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,719
here I am. I've got my dog box loaded full

798
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:02,559
of pounds too, my baby's So I decided I wasn't

799
01:00:02,599 --> 01:00:04,480
going to hunt on Viping Mountain. I was going to

800
01:00:04,519 --> 01:00:08,440
go down there to Green Mountain hunt. So I just

801
01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:10,800
I don't get it.

802
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: Well, some people are just magnets for these things. And unfortunately,

803
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:20,000
considering all the experiences you've already had to date, I

804
01:00:20,039 --> 01:00:22,480
really don't think you are done as far as having

805
01:00:22,559 --> 01:00:25,599
experiences with these guys, but like I touched on a

806
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:27,880
bit ago, please never lose sight of the fact you've

807
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,679
had all these experiences and the ones that never happened

808
01:00:30,679 --> 01:00:34,199
that could have happened because they were watching you, following you,

809
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,639
monitoring you, but they never pushed the issue. They definitely

810
01:00:37,679 --> 01:00:39,880
never hurt you. As long as you keep all that

811
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,679
in perspective, then yeah, you can deal with this. I

812
01:00:42,719 --> 01:00:45,400
know it's easier said than done, but yeah, you can

813
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,679
definitely deal with this. And as you know from our conversations,

814
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,960
I go into the woods when I can spend time

815
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,159
out there to clear my head, and I'm still here.

816
01:00:54,519 --> 01:00:56,840
I mean, how many times have I I've walked hundreds

817
01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,000
of miles without a gun in those woods, not because

818
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,840
I'm put off by guns, but when I was doing

819
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:04,880
what i was doing, didn't really have a need for

820
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,440
a gun at the time. I'm still here, no problems.

821
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,079
And you want to talk about a perfect big woods

822
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:13,760
for dog men, for sasquatch. I mean, if you could

823
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,559
draw one up, this would be it. It's got the

824
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:21,639
trademark animals you'd expect to see that basically let you

825
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,719
know that it's a prime forest for dog men and

826
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,400
sasquatch just got everything. But I'm still here and I

827
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:30,559
still go on walks and spend time in the woods

828
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:32,840
when I can, when I can sneak away and do it.

829
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,400
So if I'm doing that, and I want to know

830
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,960
about these things, and yeah, you can still get out

831
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,039
there and enjoy yourself too, you really can.

832
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know, Vic, you're a braver man

833
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:49,760
I am. I mean, but I will tell you this, No, no, no,

834
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:59,360
I have definitely been readloading ten millimeter. Yeah, I've definitely

835
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:03,280
been reloading a lot of ten millimeter here lately, especially

836
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:08,400
the Lehigh one hundred sixty five grain extreme penetrators. Hey, look,

837
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:11,440
I don't want to shed any more blood. I don't

838
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,920
want to trade any more blood with these things. I

839
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:19,159
want to be left alone. But I just really got

840
01:02:19,159 --> 01:02:26,519
a feeling, you know, something, something is going to happen

841
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:31,599
at some point. Now here's another thing. Animal Control was

842
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:38,880
out out there on well, I can't give the name

843
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,559
of my road, but out on my road looking for

844
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:46,119
a dog once. This was a couple of weeks ago.

845
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:49,280
Me and my brother was out there and you know,

846
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:51,800
we got talking with the guy. He's a good old dude,

847
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,039
and I say, no, I haven't seen that dog. But

848
01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,320
of course I wouldn't tell him if I did, you know,

849
01:02:57,679 --> 01:03:00,320
not going to lie. I just I don't want to

850
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,840
see a dog or hear of a dog getting put down,

851
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:06,960
you know what I mean. And you know this was

852
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,079
after my experience out in the woods there, and I

853
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:13,119
was like, well, listen as you guys are you know,

854
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,360
on call basically all the time. He said yeah. I said,

855
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,440
have you all heard any have you got any weird

856
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:24,599
calls about any strange noises or anything. He's like, it's

857
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:30,400
funny you should say that. And I looked at my brother.

858
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:33,159
My brother looked at me. He goes, you know, I've

859
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:38,119
confided my brother before. And he got to telling us

860
01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:42,400
about something that happened to a farmer on Kelly Gap Road.

861
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:50,320
Farmer went out to his barn to feed his cows.

862
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,119
One of his gals was expecting the calf is going

863
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:56,639
to feed him and then check on him, and he

864
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,760
said the farmer, I'm trying not to last because I

865
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,360
mean I could just picture myself and you know this

866
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,360
poor old farmer's shoes going out there with some sweet feet.

867
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,320
And he said, as soon as he opened his barn door.

868
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,800
He said, the huge back door almost went off the hinges.

869
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:21,119
He said, it's the god awfless sound you ever heard

870
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:28,000
in your life, is like a hoot or something. Animal

871
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,400
control officer was trying to explain to me how it sounded.

872
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,840
So it didn't sound like a dog man. I mean,

873
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,360
you know, old god Fit had been a dog man.

874
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,079
There's a cow had probably been dead anyway, he said

875
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:46,400
that poor farmer. He said it literally, because they've got

876
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,760
the big sliding door, you know, on the back. You've

877
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,679
got sliding door on rails where you can unhook it

878
01:04:53,719 --> 01:04:56,320
and then slide it open to let your cows out.

879
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,199
You know of the even you know of the mornings

880
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,559
or whatever. He said, that thing was almost tore off

881
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:07,800
the hinges. So whatever was in there was big enough

882
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:12,559
to tear that thing, tear the rails, break the wood

883
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:18,199
off the rails. Actually, the sheriff's apartment went out there

884
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:24,119
to look at it. So I don't know. I mean,

885
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:29,519
that's not four miles for me. He didn't give me

886
01:05:29,519 --> 01:05:33,360
any exact address, but I mean, just guesstimating maybe four

887
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:34,800
six miles from me.

888
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:38,519
Speaker 2: That's close.

889
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't make this craft up. I mean it

890
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:50,199
just all these years lived in peace. Now this, I mean,

891
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:52,960
I'm trying to keep it light hearted, but I mean,

892
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,559
you know, underneath he listen, I'm scared to death. I'm

893
01:05:56,599 --> 01:06:02,559
mad enough to admit it. He can petrified. I mean,

894
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,159
maybe I should go get some depens that, you know,

895
01:06:05,239 --> 01:06:07,719
to wear the woods in the morning when I go dere.

896
01:06:09,519 --> 01:06:11,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might not be a bad idea. I hope

897
01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:13,480
you never need them, though, But yeah, I mean it's

898
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:15,519
only natural you're going to be fearful.

899
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate being afraid to listen. The first

900
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,119
honest to go the first plane I was ever in,

901
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,079
I jumped out off, for Christ's sake. So I mean

902
01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:31,840
it's I'm not being you know, uh, bravado or trying

903
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:37,079
to sound like a bad you know, bad a trying

904
01:06:37,079 --> 01:06:41,079
to keep it PG again, you know, trying not sound

905
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:44,440
like a tough guy. But anything I've ever been afraid

906
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:50,360
of I've always faced. And you know, first plane I

907
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:55,719
was ever in, I jumped out off. So this these

908
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:03,320
things absolutely terrify me. And people say all they want

909
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:05,639
to now they're not evil, this that and the other.

910
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:12,440
No telling. I know evil. I've met evil men. I've

911
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:18,679
been face to face with evil. I know evil, this

912
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:24,239
was evil. What I faced down that night in twenty

913
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:29,599
sixteen would sheer evil? And when I faced those two

914
01:07:29,960 --> 01:07:34,599
maybe three a couple of weeks later, were sheer evil?

915
01:07:35,719 --> 01:07:40,079
Speaker 2: Well, listen to your inner voice. So yeah, I mean

916
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,039
there have been times where people have gone out into

917
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,519
the woods and had that feeling like Okay, it's time

918
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:48,760
to turn around. When people don't turn around and listen

919
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,280
to that inner voice, that's when the problems start. But

920
01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:55,039
I mean, yeah, I couldn't blame you. If you head

921
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:57,679
into the woods and start getting that feeling, it probably

922
01:07:57,679 --> 01:08:00,639
would be proven to turn around and had that the woods.

923
01:08:00,679 --> 01:08:04,000
But I mean, like I said, yeah, those experiences with

924
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:07,519
those evil entities, those dog men that you said are

925
01:08:07,719 --> 01:08:12,000
definitely have an evil vibe to them. They still didn't

926
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,079
hurt you. Now you're gonna have people who are gonna

927
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:19,039
say they were restrained by the Pact. It's not the

928
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:22,520
end times yet, so they're not free to unleash hell

929
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:24,479
on earth and everything like that, and that might be

930
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,960
the case. That just might be why they didn't hurt you.

931
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,760
But we heard of this. Yeah, yes, sir, it might

932
01:08:31,800 --> 01:08:34,199
be what's going on that just might be what's behind it,

933
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:38,720
But that is a supposition. We don't know that to

934
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,600
be fact. All we can do is just deal with

935
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,039
what we know, and when it comes to things that

936
01:08:44,079 --> 01:08:46,640
we don't know for sure what's going on, just deal

937
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:49,720
with those things the best way we can. And what

938
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:52,239
we do know is you've had all these interactions with

939
01:08:52,319 --> 01:08:55,359
these guys over the years, but like I said earlier,

940
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:58,479
you've never experienced a single scratch or hear in your

941
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:02,399
head being harmed. That definitely counts for something. So I

942
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:05,359
totally get you being scared. I understand it. I mean,

943
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,279
you're so far outclassed by these things, even with all

944
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:13,079
of your training and ability and everything like that, your

945
01:09:13,319 --> 01:09:16,680
skills in the woods. But yeah, I mean you're so

946
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,119
far out classed, and you realize that that's why you're

947
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:24,720
feeling this fear. Don't feel any shame in that. Just

948
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:26,840
do the best you can to keep moving forward and

949
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:30,199
doing what you do using your best judgment. If you

950
01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,439
don't think on any given time it's a good idea

951
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,760
to head into the woods that day, then yeah, please

952
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:38,239
don't go into the woods. Listen to that inner voice,

953
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:40,840
but you've got a life to live. When we have

954
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,119
that conversation the other day, and you told me how

955
01:09:43,119 --> 01:09:47,600
old you are. I thought, huh, this guy's young. I've

956
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,199
got more than several years on you. You've got a lot

957
01:09:50,239 --> 01:09:53,119
of life to live, a lot of life left to live.

958
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: So, oh, yeah, you do, you do?

959
01:09:59,319 --> 01:10:01,520
Speaker 2: So I hope you do live that life and go

960
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,359
out there into the woods and wring every last bit

961
01:10:04,399 --> 01:10:06,479
of fun you can out of the woods, because if

962
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:08,399
you couldn't do that, it really would be a shame.

963
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,039
And what are those plot hounds gonna think about you?

964
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:12,840
What are the blue tics going to think about you?

965
01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 1: Oh? Good Lord, in blue ticks that eat me alive.

966
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:20,079
Speaker 2: I didn't take them out, I know they would.

967
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:24,199
Speaker 1: Lord, I gotta run in blue tics. I mean, whether

968
01:10:24,239 --> 01:10:28,439
it's far or coon, they've got to run vic they

969
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,760
I mean, that's what they love to do. I mean,

970
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,000
good God. They're born and raised in Tennessee, the great

971
01:10:35,159 --> 01:10:40,119
State of Tennessee volunteer state. By the way, I got

972
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:43,800
to give a shout out to my University of Tennessee volunteers.

973
01:10:44,239 --> 01:10:47,399
Let's go up there at Ohio State, kick in that door,

974
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:52,079
kick their hind end, and then come back here victorious. Anyway,

975
01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:55,479
enough about that, Sorry, OSU fans, but I love you.

976
01:10:56,920 --> 01:11:00,239
I don't know. Here's another thing that really gets me.

977
01:11:01,279 --> 01:11:07,520
These researchers. I really, I honest to God, they have

978
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:15,720
no idea what they're hunting. I don't think. I mean,

979
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:21,159
I believe if they really really really saw one up

980
01:11:21,199 --> 01:11:24,840
close and personal like I did. And I'm not trying

981
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:27,920
to sing on myself out at I mean, honest to God,

982
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,800
that's not what I'm doing here. I'm trying to warn people.

983
01:11:34,199 --> 01:11:39,399
You go hunting for these things, sooner or later, the

984
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:44,399
hunter becomes a hunted, like I've told. Like I said before,

985
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,600
this is not al Qaeda, this is not Taliban. I

986
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:52,600
don't care what your military experience. You've never faced anything

987
01:11:52,800 --> 01:11:55,800
like this before in your life. They're the Apex of

988
01:11:55,920 --> 01:12:00,840
Apex predator. They are fast, they are at they are

989
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:07,680
highly intelligent. They use tactics that's off the charts. I

990
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:14,279
have never had an animal smell like cedar to cover

991
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:19,439
up it's sent before, like that dog man did up

992
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:28,439
there in Shady Valley. Never it's unnatural. So you know,

993
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,119
to all you researchers out there, I will tell you something.

994
01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:35,960
You think you know these things, you don't. I don't

995
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:40,119
know them I don't know deadley about them, but I

996
01:12:40,119 --> 01:12:45,079
can tell you this. They are three hundred and fifty

997
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:50,199
to five hundred pounds of sheer killing machine. They will

998
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:53,760
shred you. I don't care if you've got combat veterans

999
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:59,359
on your team. I don't care what they've done. I'm

1000
01:12:59,399 --> 01:13:05,479
telling you now, if you hunt them, and you continually

1001
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,399
hunt them, you're gonna wind up being at the wrong

1002
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:12,279
place at the wrong time, and you may just wind

1003
01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:16,399
up being that for one one. So you need to

1004
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,760
watch your step and be extremely careful about what you

1005
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,119
wish for because you will get it. And I've tried

1006
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:30,800
to keep this interview light, you know, lighthearted, but at

1007
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,840
the same time, I'm gonna tell you something. I'm scared

1008
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:43,680
to death. These things absolutely terrify me. But you know,

1009
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:51,359
your researchers, you need to be aware. Just be careful

1010
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,760
because sooner or later you think you want to run

1011
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:00,399
into one of these things. Until you do, and I

1012
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,880
promise you you will have an early retirement. I promise you.

1013
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:08,680
I don't care who you are. You don't want it.

1014
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 2: Those are words of wisdom, they really are. I cringe

1015
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,600
want to hear so many people talk about wanting to

1016
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,880
head into the woods and humpt these things. And then

1017
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,479
there's so many of them that think that just by

1018
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,720
carrying a gun that's some form of protection. Well, I've

1019
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,640
been hammering home the fact that everyone is so outclassed

1020
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:32,880
by dog men and sasquatch in the woods that carrying

1021
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,399
a gun in most cases it really doesn't give you

1022
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:39,119
any advantage because if they want to take you out,

1023
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:41,319
it doesn't matter what you have with you. They can

1024
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:44,640
take you out at will. I mean, they have you

1025
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:50,640
outclassed with speed, strength, knowledge of the woods, with stealth.

1026
01:14:51,359 --> 01:14:54,720
In so many ways they have you outclassed. And I'll

1027
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,159
go you one further by taking a gun into the

1028
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:59,279
woods with you when dog men around that you think

1029
01:14:59,399 --> 01:15:03,079
might actually pose a threat. And a lot of cases

1030
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:08,319
a gun might cause a situation to happen where you're

1031
01:15:08,359 --> 01:15:11,199
actually harmed or killed. They might make it more likely

1032
01:15:11,319 --> 01:15:13,319
for that to happen than if you didn't have a

1033
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:16,199
gun at all, because you might take a shot at

1034
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:19,760
one that wasn't intending to harm you. It was bluff

1035
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,680
charging or doing whatever, or just to try to get

1036
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:25,279
a rise out of you. You might wind up shooting

1037
01:15:25,319 --> 01:15:28,479
one that had no intentions on harming you. But okay,

1038
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:32,760
now that you shot it, you just basically sealed your fate.

1039
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:36,439
So that's why I'm so strong against the idea of

1040
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,000
guns protecting you from dog men. And a lot of cases,

1041
01:15:40,039 --> 01:15:41,520
like I just said, I'll say it again, in a

1042
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,359
lot of cases, taking the gun into the woods where

1043
01:15:44,359 --> 01:15:47,520
dogmen around it actually makes it more likely for you

1044
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:48,199
to be harmed.

1045
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: Vicky. I mean, you hit the nail on her head,

1046
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,760
you know in the unit we have, you know, we

1047
01:15:56,279 --> 01:16:00,600
go through the Keell house. I've seen I've been around

1048
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:05,279
some of the top class shooters of the world. At

1049
01:16:05,319 --> 01:16:14,039
these guys. Oh my god, absolute fantastic shots. Now you

1050
01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:21,279
have a beast that is so huge, so agile, so fast,

1051
01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:28,840
and you were scared to death. Okay, I'm sorry. Your

1052
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:33,079
heart rates up. You've never seen anything like this before. Yeah,

1053
01:16:33,119 --> 01:16:35,640
it's sure. You may have been in combat before. You

1054
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,279
may have been in hand to hand combat. Fine, whatever,

1055
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:44,119
you've never seen anything like this before. Your heart rate

1056
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:47,560
is up. You try to skin that weapon system out

1057
01:16:48,039 --> 01:16:51,720
to try to draw a beat on this. If it's

1058
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,119
fifty meters out, it's going to be on you. You

1059
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:56,840
may have one or two shots, that's how fast they

1060
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,800
are and If you don't get that good, clean kio shot,

1061
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:10,119
you're gone. Period. People don't understand that this is not

1062
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:10,920
the movies.

1063
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 2: You're right, very well said. With all of your operator experience,

1064
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,359
you know there is a triangle for you to effectively

1065
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:24,560
protect yourself something like that that you encounter that's guided

1066
01:17:24,600 --> 01:17:28,239
on its mind to take you out. There is a triangle.

1067
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:33,319
You have to have a weapon or weaponry that's going

1068
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:36,760
to be effective at stopping the foe. You've got to

1069
01:17:36,840 --> 01:17:44,399
have the skills i e. Having the ability to fire accurately,

1070
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:49,600
fire that weapon the firearm accurately enough to deliver that

1071
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,840
kill shot. That's the second part of the triangle. Number three,

1072
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,319
like you just mentioned, are you going to be cool

1073
01:17:56,399 --> 01:17:59,920
and calm and customary enough to not lose your cool

1074
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:05,079
to keep your aim under all that pressure and fire

1075
01:18:05,279 --> 01:18:08,399
that shot that's going to be an effective kill shot.

1076
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,239
There's the triangle. And if any one of those three

1077
01:18:11,239 --> 01:18:17,159
points isn't there right in position, then I mean you've

1078
01:18:17,239 --> 01:18:21,000
just lost everything. So there's so many people out there

1079
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,239
that just have one of those points, one of those

1080
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:26,640
three points of the triangle, and they think that they're

1081
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,960
going to be safe heading into the woods looking for

1082
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,079
these things.

1083
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: Well, folks, if you're one of those people, you're not.

1084
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:39,479
I wasn't, Mandana wasn't in twenty sixteen. And we've had

1085
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:43,600
a ton of experience, a lot of combat experience. I

1086
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:47,840
mean we've been we've seen the elephant quote unquote up

1087
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,319
close and personal, which is combat. And I will tell

1088
01:18:51,359 --> 01:18:56,199
you right now, we didn't get the job done. Yeah,

1089
01:18:56,479 --> 01:19:00,399
I mean we shed some blood up there, but you know,

1090
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:08,840
nobody nothing. So I think we got lucky. I think

1091
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:11,119
the Good Lord was looking out for us, is all

1092
01:19:11,159 --> 01:19:15,680
I could say. And here's another thing is some of

1093
01:19:15,720 --> 01:19:19,239
your researchers come up here to Greenville, Tennessee, and I'm

1094
01:19:19,279 --> 01:19:25,800
talking renowned researchers. You get a hold of Vic and

1095
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:29,159
if you really, I mean, if you really, really really

1096
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:35,079
think that you want to come up close and personal

1097
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:37,680
with one of these things, which I pray to God

1098
01:19:38,319 --> 01:19:41,840
we don't, but I could guarantee you. I could take

1099
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,359
you for some sign you will get some evidence. You

1100
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,760
get a hold of him and let VIC vet you,

1101
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,159
and then VIC could get a hold of me. But

1102
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,920
that's something that I really don't want to do, but

1103
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:59,079
I will do it because I do have a close

1104
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,720
personal exp sperience with these things, and I would like

1105
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,520
to learn more about them. That way I could kind

1106
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:11,760
of overcome my fear. I'm man enough to say, yeah,

1107
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:17,760
I'm afraid of these things. And you know it's like

1108
01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,399
I said, like I told you all before, my animals

1109
01:20:21,399 --> 01:20:24,760
are my babies. You know. I've got a new fiance.

1110
01:20:25,079 --> 01:20:29,119
She's one hundred and five pound, blond headed Irish wolverines

1111
01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:31,560
what I call her, and I love her. She's getting

1112
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:35,399
ready to move in with me in my cabin. I

1113
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,199
want to feel safe and secure on my own property

1114
01:20:40,239 --> 01:20:47,039
with knowledge. I'm looking for knowledge. I'm not looking for BS.

1115
01:20:48,319 --> 01:20:53,960
I'm looking for knowledge. So any you people out there,

1116
01:20:54,000 --> 01:21:00,720
it's high end. There's no BS researchers that could teach

1117
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:06,800
me some stuff that could you know, give me some education,

1118
01:21:07,039 --> 01:21:11,600
give me some intel on these things, and maybe just

1119
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,079
maybe I could take you to some places where you

1120
01:21:14,119 --> 01:21:19,239
could get some actual proof. I promise you I'll get

1121
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:26,319
you proof, whether it's sound, visual, or that up close

1122
01:21:26,359 --> 01:21:30,439
and personal experience which I pray to God will never happen.

1123
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,720
If it is goodbye, I'm out there. You're on your own.

1124
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:38,079
Speaker 2: You're a good man, and yeah, I'm pretty sure I

1125
01:21:38,079 --> 01:21:40,439
could set that up. I'm sure people will lining up

1126
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,920
right now. Researchers are lining up right now to send

1127
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,680
me messages and try to get me to set that up.

1128
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,760
And y'all see if they do all try to get

1129
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,359
you set up with some so you can do that.

1130
01:21:53,960 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: I tell you, Mick, I don't want that up close

1131
01:21:56,039 --> 01:21:59,560
and personal experience again ever again. But uh, you know,

1132
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:07,279
uh if I do, it's it's you know, well, maybe

1133
01:22:07,319 --> 01:22:09,479
I'll just have a heart attack them because I'm a

1134
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:12,439
heck a lot older and I've got a got a

1135
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,880
lot more silver in my beard than I used to.

1136
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: You know, I can relate to that. It's not just

1137
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:22,920
you there. But well, I've got some questions that people

1138
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,039
in the live chat have been wanting to ask you.

1139
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:27,159
I think it's a good time to jump over to those.

1140
01:22:27,239 --> 01:22:29,640
I'm not going to have time to ask all these questions,

1141
01:22:29,680 --> 01:22:32,479
but I'm going to pick and choose some of these

1142
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,880
I want to ask you. The first one would be

1143
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:41,399
from Leary Berlin and Learry wants to know, Hondo, what

1144
01:22:41,560 --> 01:22:44,279
is the bleed length of your knife?

1145
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:49,279
Speaker 1: Oh? My bolo. My bolo is an eight inch bolo.

1146
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:51,159
I had it made into Philippines.

1147
01:22:53,399 --> 01:22:55,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's more than long enough to let the wind

1148
01:22:55,159 --> 01:23:00,199
out of that dog man, that's for sure. Let's see me.

1149
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:03,279
Grabguard wants to know was it the father and the

1150
01:23:03,279 --> 01:23:05,760
family deceived that told him not to go?

1151
01:23:07,119 --> 01:23:11,399
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it sure was all right.

1152
01:23:11,920 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: The next one up is from Babie Girl and she

1153
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:17,560
wants to know how long were the nails on the

1154
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:23,359
first dog? Meaning you saw.

1155
01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm just guestimating. I mean I was within what twenty

1156
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:34,239
thirty feet from me two two and a half inches long.

1157
01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:39,119
Maybe I'm just guestimating. I really wasn't looking at the claws.

1158
01:23:39,159 --> 01:23:41,640
I was kind of looking at the face and a

1159
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,159
body language to see where it was going to kind of,

1160
01:23:44,159 --> 01:23:46,800
you know, whether it was going to faint left, faint right.

1161
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:52,319
You know. Unfortunately I did not have a weapon. Well,

1162
01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,640
I mean, my mind is my weapon, just you know,

1163
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,399
my bolo was my tool, but I didn't have a firearm,

1164
01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:04,159
so to speak. So I was more worried about kind

1165
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:08,000
of reading its body language and trying not to crap myself.

1166
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:13,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that, I do. The next one up

1167
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,239
is from Bang Bang and she wants to know, Hondo,

1168
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:18,640
did you get the feeling you were being stalked by

1169
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:21,000
the dog man, I think talking about that first encounter.

1170
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 1: Uh, not at first, but after my first running with it,

1171
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:36,520
Absolutely yes, And I felt that way for a long

1172
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:43,279
time until I reached out to Danny Boy aka dan

1173
01:24:43,359 --> 01:24:48,359
O and we went up there and had our little

1174
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:52,680
showdown with it. Yeah. I mean I really did felt

1175
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:58,640
like I was being stalked quote unquote. I don't know

1176
01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:00,960
if it came on my property. Yeah, I don't think so,

1177
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:05,359
but it's just kind of weird. I can't explain it,

1178
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,399
but absolutely yes, it just might have been.

1179
01:25:11,760 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: BB girl also wants to know, would you say you

1180
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,680
have PTSD with these dog man encounters?

1181
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I think I've got more PTSD from

1182
01:25:25,159 --> 01:25:29,920
my experience as military. I'm going through that now with

1183
01:25:30,039 --> 01:25:36,159
the VA here recently, especially after the flood, all the

1184
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:38,479
stuff that you know, I kind of experienced. Why I

1185
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:41,680
was in North Carolina helping those people. I mean it

1186
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:46,039
literally it looked like a combat zone over there. Yeah.

1187
01:25:46,119 --> 01:25:49,079
I mean PTSD is a real thing. And if you

1188
01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:51,840
know anybody that's got it or think they have it,

1189
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:55,640
please you know, talk to them, have them reach out

1190
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,880
to the VA. That's a great question, Thank you.

1191
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I told you before when we spoke for the

1192
01:26:03,000 --> 01:26:05,399
first time, and I'll see it again. I can't thank

1193
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:07,760
you enough for your service to our country. I really

1194
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,159
do appreciate it, and I just hate the fact that

1195
01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:12,520
you are dealing with the PTSD as a result.

1196
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:16,640
Speaker 1: You know what, Vick, I mean, it comes with the

1197
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:20,720
h it comes with the territory. I mean, you know, uh,

1198
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,399
everybody's got it at some point. I don't care if

1199
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:28,880
you were a tank mechanic or whatever. You know, it

1200
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:32,079
it happens. And you know I fought it and fought it,

1201
01:26:32,199 --> 01:26:34,159
fought it, fought it. Fault as a ah, it's a

1202
01:26:34,159 --> 01:26:38,439
bunch of crap. Well you know what. That's that stupid

1203
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:43,880
alpha guy in me, And now I'm learning, Hey, I'm

1204
01:26:43,960 --> 01:26:50,000
not ten foot tall and bulletproof. If you catch my drift.

1205
01:26:50,399 --> 01:26:53,880
We're all human, you know, We've all got feelings.

1206
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 2: Yes we are, and yes we do. You're right about that.

1207
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,920
This next one up you've are, he answered, it's from

1208
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:04,119
d truth. Hey, D do you wanted to know does

1209
01:27:04,119 --> 01:27:06,800
he think there are natural animals? And he said, yes,

1210
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:10,399
he thinks they're flesh and blood. And the second part

1211
01:27:10,399 --> 01:27:13,640
of your question about whether he thinks that the Earth

1212
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:15,720
is actually flat I'm not going to even bring up

1213
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:19,199
because that's another can of worms right there. The next

1214
01:27:19,319 --> 01:27:23,720
question is from Auditius Hamber, and the Ambrah wants to

1215
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,960
know Hamber. She wants to know, do you think the

1216
01:27:26,039 --> 01:27:28,520
dog man is born like that or bread like that?

1217
01:27:29,079 --> 01:27:32,000
Do you think it's natural or some type of altered being?

1218
01:27:32,359 --> 01:27:38,079
Speaker 1: Let lose you know, I've heard, you know, if people

1219
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:43,079
talk about nephilium and you know the following angels coming

1220
01:27:43,119 --> 01:27:48,880
down sleeping with human women. I really don't know. All

1221
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:53,640
I could say is these things are absolutely pure evil.

1222
01:27:54,159 --> 01:27:57,000
I don't care what anybody else says. Oh you know

1223
01:27:57,279 --> 01:28:03,439
that they just you know, they could be friendly now horsecrap.

1224
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,239
I know evil when I see it. I've dealt with

1225
01:28:07,359 --> 01:28:13,520
evil men before. I've you know, well taken evil men out.

1226
01:28:13,720 --> 01:28:19,520
I've been up close and personal with evil people before.

1227
01:28:20,199 --> 01:28:23,880
These things are evil. I don't know if they're bred

1228
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,520
like that. Listen, when it comes to the government, I

1229
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:30,640
wouldn't put anything past them. I work for the government

1230
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:35,000
or I did, so you know your guess as good

1231
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:39,159
as mine. Amber. But it's a good question. I don't know.

1232
01:28:39,199 --> 01:28:41,600
I would love to, I would love to, you know,

1233
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,159
figure that one out.

1234
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,039
Speaker 2: There's so much about these guys that we don't know

1235
01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:49,399
and most likely never will. It's just one of those

1236
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:51,600
things that comes along with all this. It really is.

1237
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,119
It looks like Boebie girl wants to know. Yeah, you've

1238
01:28:56,159 --> 01:28:58,760
already answered this one as well. Her question is how

1239
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,800
tall was the first dog? And you saw and you

1240
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,720
said it was maybe a little bit over here, over

1241
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:04,800
seven feet, didn't you.

1242
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's seven because I'm six one, uh and I

1243
01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:16,920
weighed one ninety six at the time, and this thing

1244
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:21,479
definitely was double my size as far as girth and

1245
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:26,319
extremely muscular. I want to say seven seven and a

1246
01:29:26,319 --> 01:29:29,039
half foot tall, maybe three hundred and fifty maybe four

1247
01:29:29,079 --> 01:29:32,199
hundred pounds it was. It was big, but it was

1248
01:29:32,319 --> 01:29:33,560
extremely agile.

1249
01:29:34,720 --> 01:29:37,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a combination that's really hard to wrap your

1250
01:29:37,079 --> 01:29:40,199
mind around how big, strong, and fast these things are.

1251
01:29:41,239 --> 01:29:42,960
The next one up is from Ta Be or Not

1252
01:29:43,119 --> 01:29:45,119
to Be, and they want to know did you get

1253
01:29:45,159 --> 01:29:49,279
the impression that it was intelligent, that it could possibly communicate?

1254
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: Yes, the intelligence of these things are absolutely off the charts. Now.

1255
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,880
In my first run in with them, I don't think

1256
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:03,039
it really wanted to talk to me. I think it

1257
01:30:03,119 --> 01:30:07,960
actually really wanted to kill me, and a second time, well,

1258
01:30:08,119 --> 01:30:11,199
the same thing, but we kind of kept it busy

1259
01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:19,079
because we actually had firearms then. So yeah, their intelligence

1260
01:30:19,159 --> 01:30:22,479
is off the charts. And you know, look at it

1261
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:26,039
this way. I've known a lot of animals that's a

1262
01:30:26,079 --> 01:30:28,720
heck of a lot smarter than most human beings are.

1263
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:33,399
But the intelligence is off the charts. I mean you're

1264
01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:40,680
talking about a highly intelligent, mobile, agile predator, an apex predator.

1265
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there really isn't anything about these guys. It's going

1266
01:30:44,079 --> 01:30:47,399
to make you feel good. There really isn't. It looks

1267
01:30:47,439 --> 01:30:50,359
like I Conzoll has the last question I'm going to ask,

1268
01:30:50,399 --> 01:30:53,640
and that is would beer spray take down a dog?

1269
01:30:53,680 --> 01:31:01,319
Speaker 1: Men? Oh, that is a good question, and I would

1270
01:31:01,359 --> 01:31:05,399
be afraid to. I mean, if that's all you've got,

1271
01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:09,520
then you know, go for it. I mean all I

1272
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,119
had was a knife at first, and this thing, I

1273
01:31:13,159 --> 01:31:20,600
swear it knew exactly what that knife was. I would

1274
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:25,600
say you would definitely get its attention. I mean it's

1275
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:29,439
not as good as a firearm, but hey, listen, you

1276
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:32,399
know you use the tools in your toolshed, you know,

1277
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:38,760
whatever you've got, just remember that your mind is your weapon.

1278
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:43,039
Everything else is just a tool. Okay, So if you

1279
01:31:43,119 --> 01:31:45,840
got bear spray, if that's all you carry, if that's

1280
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:49,800
all you want to carry, then absolutely I think that

1281
01:31:50,079 --> 01:31:54,399
might give you that out to you know, egress out

1282
01:31:54,399 --> 01:31:59,319
of the area. God. I mean, I know it works

1283
01:31:59,359 --> 01:32:03,720
on grizzly, so why can't it work on a dog man?

1284
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,640
I mean, dog man's got senses also, I mean I

1285
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,399
know they feel pain. I know that for a fact.

1286
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:14,560
I definitely know they could bleed. I just don't know

1287
01:32:14,600 --> 01:32:20,600
about the dying part. Unfortunately or fortunately, I mean you know.

1288
01:32:22,600 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness, never got to that point. That wouldn't

1289
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,359
be good at all. It really wouldn't.

1290
01:32:28,279 --> 01:32:28,600
Speaker 1: Well.

1291
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:31,199
Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for coming back on and

1292
01:32:31,279 --> 01:32:34,479
sharing these most recent experiences with this hondo. I really

1293
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:35,479
do appreciate it.

1294
01:32:36,760 --> 01:32:40,279
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, I just you know what, I come on

1295
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:43,600
here more to try to get some questions answered, and

1296
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:52,039
you know, just kind of let people know that, you know, listen,

1297
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,760
these things are honest to God, They're real. I mean,

1298
01:32:55,760 --> 01:33:00,840
they're flesh and blood people. Look, I mean some people

1299
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,840
might get on here, you know, just to get a

1300
01:33:02,840 --> 01:33:10,239
good night scary story. Well okay, fine, that's all great,

1301
01:33:11,079 --> 01:33:13,760
but until you run into something that I was a

1302
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:18,239
nod believer. I mean, if somebody told me in twenty fifteen, yeah,

1303
01:33:18,279 --> 01:33:20,279
there's such thing as dog man, I would have laughed

1304
01:33:20,319 --> 01:33:21,760
at him. I was like, man, you need to go

1305
01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:29,039
to a nuthouse. Baby, how I was wrong? You know,

1306
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,079
just because I've tried to keep this light hearted this

1307
01:33:32,159 --> 01:33:36,680
interview doesn't mean I'm not scared. Listen, I'm scared to death.

1308
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:41,119
I mean I really am. When I go in the

1309
01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:45,000
woods an hour before sun up to get set up,

1310
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:48,960
it's a deer hunt. Oh I'm terrified. I mean I

1311
01:33:49,039 --> 01:33:53,960
really am. My senses are on extreme hyper vigilant alert.

1312
01:33:55,800 --> 01:34:03,960
So people just be careful out there, pay attention, stop, look, listen, smell. Yeah,

1313
01:34:04,039 --> 01:34:07,760
you could actually smell them. You smell cedar if you

1314
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:13,880
don't see any cedar trees. Egress out Egress means get out,

1315
01:34:14,119 --> 01:34:17,960
back up, get out. You've got a bad feeling, get out.

1316
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:25,439
Listen to your gut, don't be a hero, just get out.

1317
01:34:26,640 --> 01:34:29,640
Speaker 2: Those are some really good words of wisdom, and the

1318
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:32,119
fact that you're actually able to admit your fear of

1319
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:35,119
these things that puts you well ahead of people who

1320
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,640
think they've got this under control, but they can't admit that.

1321
01:34:39,159 --> 01:34:43,079
So yeah, that's a really good thing. But having said that,

1322
01:34:43,159 --> 01:34:45,960
like I said, Hondo, thanks again so much for your timing.

1323
01:34:46,439 --> 01:34:48,520
In the future. If I can ever help you, please

1324
01:34:48,600 --> 01:34:49,039
let me know.

1325
01:34:50,359 --> 01:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, Listen, I won't continue to keep my diary

1326
01:34:55,079 --> 01:34:59,640
and I'll you know, keep you up to date. I'm

1327
01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:01,560
not going to and I aggrevate you, you know, or

1328
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,600
anything like that, but I'll keep you up to date.

1329
01:35:04,760 --> 01:35:08,279
I mean, I'm there's a lot of stuff happening around here,

1330
01:35:08,359 --> 01:35:14,119
and you know, as honest to God truth, and so yeah,

1331
01:35:14,479 --> 01:35:21,359
I'm gonna keep copious notes and keep my ten meal handy,

1332
01:35:21,960 --> 01:35:24,119
so to speak. I hope I don't have to use

1333
01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:26,800
it on one. I hope they stay away from me.

1334
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:31,000
But uh, I guess time will tell. And if you

1335
01:35:31,039 --> 01:35:33,159
don't hear from me in the next couple of years,

1336
01:35:33,239 --> 01:35:36,199
you well, I'm probably dog man crap.

1337
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,039
Speaker 2: Hopefully that will never come to be. I really hope

1338
01:35:40,039 --> 01:35:40,520
it doesn't.

1339
01:35:41,359 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 1: I hope I give you diarrhea anyway.

1340
01:35:45,239 --> 01:35:48,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen, but yeah, like

1341
01:35:48,279 --> 01:35:50,800
you said, if it does, hopefully you will give them

1342
01:35:50,800 --> 01:35:54,680
some diarrhea at least. But here's the hoping it never does.

1343
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,720
Like I said, Hondo, it sounds like you've got a

1344
01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,840
lot of activity in your area. So who's to say

1345
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,359
that you're not going to have another experience down the road.

1346
01:36:03,399 --> 01:36:06,399
And if you do, like I've told you several times,

1347
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:08,159
I'll be there for you. All you have to do

1348
01:36:08,279 --> 01:36:09,079
is just let me know.

1349
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:14,000
Speaker 1: Hey, Vic, I appreciate it. And all you guys out

1350
01:36:14,039 --> 01:36:18,479
there love you all. We're all Americans and they even

1351
01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:21,840
people around the world. Man, let's try to stay free,

1352
01:36:22,199 --> 01:36:27,840
keep it positive. And you know, I have faith in

1353
01:36:27,880 --> 01:36:31,159
the Lord God because he will protect you. I mean,

1354
01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:35,359
I'm a prime example. I shouldn't be here speaking to

1355
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:39,279
you all today. I mean, in all rights, I should

1356
01:36:39,319 --> 01:36:42,439
be dead a long time ago with all the stupid

1357
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:47,479
stuff that I've done. But you know, just be kind

1358
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:51,800
to one another, man, you know, respect each other, respect

1359
01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:57,279
each other's views. Just don't push those views on other people.

1360
01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,239
You know, Just let's co exist, is.

1361
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:05,119
Speaker 2: Very well said. Yeah, if more people will practice those

1362
01:37:05,159 --> 01:37:08,279
policies would be so much further ahead. We really would.

1363
01:37:08,359 --> 01:37:11,640
But thanks again so much for your time, Hondo, and

1364
01:37:12,119 --> 01:37:15,760
have a great night. Well that's another one in the books.

1365
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:19,079
I can't thank you nearly enough for joining us for

1366
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:21,680
the special midweek episode of the show. I can't thank

1367
01:37:21,720 --> 01:37:24,239
you enough for supporting these eyewitnesses the way you do.

1368
01:37:24,760 --> 01:37:27,720
Like I said, I really do appreciate it. And if

1369
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,479
you've had an encounter of your own with a dog

1370
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:31,359
man that you'd like to speak with me about to

1371
01:37:31,359 --> 01:37:34,039
get help, or if you just would like to come

1372
01:37:34,039 --> 01:37:36,399
on the show and be a guest, all you have

1373
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:40,560
to do is go to dogmanencounters dot com submit a report,

1374
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:43,359
and if you do that, then I'll contact you and

1375
01:37:43,399 --> 01:37:46,600
schedule a phone consultation and we'll take it from there.

1376
01:37:47,119 --> 01:37:50,119
But having said that, thanks again so much for listening,

1377
01:37:50,159 --> 01:38:24,840
and have a great nights. English