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December fourteenth, nineteen fifty Here is the Big Break.

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Speaker 2: The story you're about to here is true, only the

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names have been changed to protect the Ennison. You're a

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detective sergeant. You're assigned to Robbery Detailed. You've been tracking

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a hold of men for months. You finally get a

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line on where he's hiding. You know he's dangerous, well armed.

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Your job get him power.

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Speaker 3: Dragnet the document a drama of an actual crime. For

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the next thirty minutes, in cooperation with the Los Angeles

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Police Department, you will travel step by step on the

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side of the law through an actual case transcribed from

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official police files. From beginning to end, from crime to punishment,

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Dragnet is the story of your police force in action.

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Speaker 2: It was Wednesday, March eighteenth, was cold in Los Angeles.

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We're working the night Watch out of Robbery Detail. My

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partner's Ben Romero. The boss is Captain ed Walker. My

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name's Friday was nine forty eight pm when I got

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to Room twenty seven eight Robbery Detail.

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Speaker 4: Joe, how are you ready to go?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've gotta hustle. Here's your top quart.

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Speaker 4: Joe, Thank you? Ben? Uh. Where's Tom?

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Speaker 5: We can pick him up down the hall and is

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checking out some teargas shelves.

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Speaker 4: Might need him.

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Speaker 2: How about the address? You confirm it? Twenty one hundred

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Bannon Avenue. It's a corner house, Diskiver. You know what

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to expect when you get out there. Don't take any chances.

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He's long in the house, all right, supposed to be. Yeah,

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that won't give you much of a break.

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Speaker 4: Hone.

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Speaker 2: You mean he's heavy on guns. Two revolvers and hunting rifles. Ooh,

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he's not shy about using them. Don't forget it, right,

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ed slacks, Ben, let's go, Jane. It's been a long haul. Yeah,

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I hope this washes it up. Hunting rifle, a couple

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of revolvers. What do you think, Joe? Now are eighteen.

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Speaker 4: Robberies and three months You know the guy as well

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as I do.

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Speaker 5: Well, what's your guess?

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Speaker 4: His name was Hoffman George rr.

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Speaker 2: In our files, his criminal record dated back to high

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school days. Petty theft, grand theft, auto burglary, armed robbery.

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His record included two terms at Preston Reformatory and one

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at San Quentin. Hoffman's latest campaign was a three month

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run of armed robberies. We tried everything we knew to

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stop him, but it wasn't enough. We'd failed to get

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a line on him until one of Captain Walker's informants

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came up with a tip that Hoffman had been hiding

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out for the past month and a small bungalow on

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the corner of Buchanan Avenue in Selma Street.

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Speaker 4: According to the information.

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Speaker 2: The suspect had a good supply of food, ammunition and

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three guns. Ten fifteen pm, together with Sergeants Tom Gaffney

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and Slats Henry, Ben and I parked our car down

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the street and started toward the house. Was foggy, the

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street was poorly lighted, so we approached the house. We

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could see a light burning in one of the rooms

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at the rear of the bungalow. M the light in

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the back room.

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Speaker 6: Joe just went out there, Slats, you in town when

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I cover the back Let's go down.

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Speaker 2: Be careful, all right, Ben, easy, h Wait a minute,

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Joe curtains in that corner room. I thought I saw

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him move.

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Speaker 4: Up on Ben the front door. Come hit it, yeah,

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come on, hit it again.

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Speaker 6: Come on, they gotta block or something something pile against

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Speaker 5: Why's the front.

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Speaker 4: The front rooms?

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Speaker 5: There?

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Speaker 4: Yo, went out the side window. Where do you go?

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Speaker 5: Across the street? Got him pin down behind that car there,

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he's in the car.

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Speaker 6: All right, let's go for the tires, all right, Hoffman,

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give it up. Cover this end, slats right, Ben, that

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head across the street and you see it. Yeah, okay,

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let's run for it.

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Speaker 4: You okay, Joe, Yeah, hap fun.

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Speaker 5: You haven't got a chance.

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Speaker 6: Rowt your guns, okay, Ben, give it back all right,

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all right, I'm coming out.

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Speaker 4: Rot your guns.

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Speaker 6: Throw him in the street, all right, Get out of

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the car, hands behind your head, come.

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Speaker 5: On, all right, all right, hands mind your back now, slats.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you want to get our car?

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Speaker 5: Right, y'all? Who told you?

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Speaker 4: Who gave you the tip?

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Speaker 5: Does it matter? I made it easy enough for you car.

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It started to be three miles away. If it would

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have started, better call it toe drug hunt.

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Speaker 4: Joe. Let me give it a look. Lousy luck, that's

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all it is.

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Speaker 5: What was wrong with it?

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Speaker 4: Joe?

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Speaker 5: I tried it.

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Speaker 4: It wouldn't start for me. It should have turned on

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the ignition.

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Speaker 2: George Hoffman was taken downtown and booked on suspicion of robbery.

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At a special show up, he was identified by more

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than a dozen of his robbery victims. Between his arraignments

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and his preliminary hearings, we worked together with the District

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Attorney's office and lining up witnesses and preparing the evidence

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against the suspect.

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Speaker 4: We figured we had an airtight case.

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Speaker 2: Hoffman's trial and Superior Court was set for May fourteenth. Hi, Joe,

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Hi a slash, Let's do it and still a raining Hoffman.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this trial's coming up.

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Speaker 5: Hey, what happened to your eye? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: How about that?

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Speaker 5: I'll never live with that.

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Speaker 4: Come here, let's see.

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Speaker 2: This real black guy ever had had a bruised plenty

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and they hurt you know, Yeah, how'd that happened?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: Every week Gaffney and I grew up the neighborhood Boys

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Club after work to help coach the kids' sports. You know,

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last week we had boxing lessons. I was coaching this

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one youngster. He turned out to be a lot quicker,

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and I thought, you're really connected.

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Speaker 4: I guess everybody in the building has heard the story.

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Speaker 2: Huh, just about Gaffney took care of that captain called

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me in this morning, asked me if I wanted to

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file assault charges against the kid.

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Speaker 4: Some joke never fails. Are you still coaching the kids

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up there this week?

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Speaker 2: Kids are supposed to get lessons in wrestling.

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Speaker 5: I'm not taking any chances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've been watching television for months.

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Speaker 5: I was the other room.

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Speaker 2: Yeah okay, Oh so that's hi.

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Speaker 5: I've been high home Any good. Put your coat on, Joe, Yeah,

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it's a matter.

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Speaker 4: George Hoffman, Yeah, just.

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Speaker 5: Broke a jal.

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Speaker 2: The morning of his escape, Hoffman was scheduled to appear

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in Superior Court for arrangement. According to routine, he was

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taken from his county jail cell on the twelfth floor

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of the Hall of Justice and escorted to the jail

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shower room on the fourteenth floor. There, he was to

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take a bath, changed to his civilian clothes for his

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appearance in court. While he was in the shower room,

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he turned on the hot water faucets, filling the room

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with steam to hide his actions from the guard. He

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succeeded in forcing his way out through one of the windows,

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climbed up one story to the roof, Realizing that he

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couldn't escape down through the building. He lowered himself over

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the ledge of the roof, and using the narrow crevices

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between the bricks to hold on, he climbed seven stories

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down the outside of the building. At the eighth floor,

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he found an open window and got inside. He slugged

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the bailiff who tried to stop him, and then ran

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down the remaining flights of stairs into the street and

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disappeared in the crowd.

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Speaker 4: Twenty minutes later, he robbed A.

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Speaker 6: Denis's office at third in Los Angeles Streets and got away.

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Speaker 2: Police and sheriff's deputies covered the city for him. Ben

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and I were among them. Eleven fifty five pm. We

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checked back in with captain ed Walkers.

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Speaker 5: You want to cut that speaker bed h six and

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spring one line. Nothing not a trace, Hiven. He must

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have a good friend someplace in town. Everything's covered.

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Speaker 2: His friend's relatives is hide out everyone he knows, every

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place he's ever been. We plugged every loophole, wing, think

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of the depots, terminals, the airports.

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Speaker 5: Still don't trace him.

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Speaker 2: I sure is a strange no stranger than climbing down

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the side of a building.

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Speaker 4: Did you check that story out?

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Speaker 3: Ed?

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Speaker 2: It's the truth Apparently Hoffman planned the thing out pretty carefully.

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How do you mean The sheriff's men talked to some

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of the prisoners in the jail. They said Hoffman was

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practicing for it since the day we put him in there.

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He'd work out five to six hours every night, building

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up his hands and fingers.

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Speaker 5: How do you do that?

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Speaker 2: Used the upper bunk in his cell, hang from the

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edge of it with the tips of his fingers.

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Speaker 5: He'd do it for.

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Speaker 2: Hours, pulling his body up and down. He had little

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grooves in the wall, dug his fingertips into him. Prisoners

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say he got so he could hold himself up like

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that ten minutes of the stretch.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty amazing. How about the bail If he slugged.

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Speaker 2: He'll be all right. A couple of bad bumps on

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the head. That's robbery walker. Oh yeah, little John. I

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sent him out about ten minutes to go to relieve you. Yeah,

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they ought to be there pretty soon, right.

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Speaker 4: How about our schedule?

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Speaker 2: Ed, far as I know, we're going all night on

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this thing. Sheriff's office is the same. You two were

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relieved at eleven thirty. Better check back about five thirty, am. Okay, Well,

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it's a hot shot. I got it.

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Speaker 4: What is it?

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Speaker 5: Drug store hold up? I think it's Hoffman.

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Speaker 2: The scene of the holdup was the rex Lake Pharmacy

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on the corner of Pico Boulevard and Pine Lake Street.

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The victim of mister Clarence Geringer, told us that the

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holdup man it entered through a rear door, slugged him,

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and escaped on foot with his overcoat and about one

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hundred and fifty dollars in cash.

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Speaker 4: We showed him a number of mug shots. He identified

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George Hoffman as the bandit.

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Speaker 2: A special detail of men were ordered on a thorough

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search of the general area around the drug store.

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Speaker 4: No sign of the suspect.

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Speaker 2: The city wide dragnet continued all that night and into

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the next day, no developments. The search went on a

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week passed two weeks. At ten pm, when the day

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Hoffman was scheduled to be tried in Superior Court, he

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beat up and robbed a forty year old liquor salesman

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in the Highland Park area. Again, he made good his escape.

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Routine investigation failed to turn up a single lead. June eighth,

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the suspect was still at large. The legwork continued eight seventeen.

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Is at the address you've got? Yeah, he said it

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was near the corner. Oh yeah, yeah, there is. The

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town's in the hobby shop. Yeah, what's going.

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 5: Look at the electric trains. Look at that one beautiful layout.

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Speaker 6: Huh, I guess that's all the handle him here electric trains.

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There must be money in it.

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Speaker 2: Look at those signals there, sweaches, they're all automatic. Wonder

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if my boy is old enough for a train?

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Speaker 4: You it must be the manager over there, come up,

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say excuse me, sir, just.

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Speaker 2: A moment, please be right way. You gotta check this

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transforms all right?

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Speaker 5: Uh huh?

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Speaker 2: Automatic coupling on the tanker car looked out or killed

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her with a mistake. Now, well let's see. Yes, he's

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a dandy, isn't he. Oh I'm sorry, gentlemen. Have to

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keep up our maintenance on the rolling stock.

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Speaker 4: What can I do for you? Police officers were looking

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for mister Townsend.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yes, I'm Roy Townsend. You're the sgeant I talked

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with on the phone.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, that's right. This is my partner, Sergeant Romerom.

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You mentioned that you might have some information for us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, as a matter of fact, I may have about

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that fellow who climbed out and escaped. No, it was

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in all the papers Hoffman hoff and that's it. I'm

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a pretty good one for faces. I think I might

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have seen him last night.

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Speaker 5: Where was that?

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Speaker 2: On my way home from the meeting? I belonged to

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a model train club. Don't get enough of it here

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every day?

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, we'd like to know about this man that

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you saw.

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Speaker 2: As I say, I saw him going into the auto

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court just down the street from where mother and I lived.

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It was pretty late after midnight. Or where do you live,

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mister Townsen although by Pasadena Royal Oaks Avenue. I know

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missus Cox at the auto court. Very well, I say, well,

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this man that you saw last night, you're sure it

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was Hoffman? I saw his picture in the paper when

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he climbed down and escaped. I don't say I'm positive

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it was him, but I'm good on Facebook. Well, uh,

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I wonder if you didn't mind checking through these pictures?

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Speaker 4: Not at all?

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Speaker 6: M m m hm m Yeah, this one he's the

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one I saw, am I right, that's Hoffman. Do you

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happen to know if he's staying there at that auto court?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yes, he's been there for a month, say, sergeant, if

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you find out it really is this Hoffman, don't tell

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Missus Cox at the auto card it had just break

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her heart? Was that so she's sort of an amateur detective.

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She thinks she knows face is better than I do.

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After we left the train shop, we called the office

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and filled them in. Captain Walker called Pasadena and notified them.

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Then we drove out to the.

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Speaker 4: Auto court where the suspect was reportedly seen.

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Speaker 5: Yes, you want something?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Are you?

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Speaker 4: Missus Cox?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I'm the manager here. If you want lodgings, we're

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filled up. You might try the Golden Eagle straight down

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the street there.

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Speaker 2: Police officers, Miss Cox, do you have mister Hoffman's dying

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here Hoffman?

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Speaker 5: No, I don't got a hoff buyer? Though you sure

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that's not it?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 5: Woon't you look at this picture? Man recognize? Yes, but

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his name's not Hoffman. It's Kine number twenty three. He's

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not in though left this morning?

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Speaker 4: Was that so?

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Speaker 5: Yes, we'll be back for another hour.

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Speaker 3: You are listening to Dragnet.

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Speaker 4: Before going on steak out.

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Speaker 2: At the auto court where George Hoffman was registered, Ben

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put in a call to the office.

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Speaker 4: The owner of the court.

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Speaker 2: Missus Cox gave us a pass key to Cottie's number

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twenty three, where the suspect was staying. We advised her

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to say nothing to Hoffman when he returned. We went

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to Cottage twenty three and waited. An hour passed, Hoffman

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failed to show. Another hour went by, still knows, well,

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what do you think you got me? I don't know

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when an hour overdual, no chance it could have been taple.

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I don't see how missus Cox is the only one

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who knows we're here. There's no reason for ever warning.

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I don't know these things were all here, his clothes.

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You know.

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Speaker 4: We've had longer waits than this. Relax.

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Speaker 5: Huh yeah, I wait a minute.

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Speaker 4: Can you see who it is?

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Speaker 5: Man coming from next door? Joe, Okay, I'll cover you

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open it? Oh your new telephone directory? Oh yeah, thanks?

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Anything wrong? No, there's nothing wrong things new phone book?

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: We waited another hour. George Hoffman still had failed to appear.

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At four that afternoon, we checked with the offer.

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Speaker 4: No word. At five point thirty, we were still waiting.

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking, Jill, Yeah, I fellow Townsend in the

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training chef. I'm sure it must be a dandy hobby

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electric train. It runs into money, though, didn't it. I

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think I'll talk to the wife about it. Their education,

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you know, my boy sure get a kick out of

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having his own Train's pretty young, isn't he three years old?

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I could show him how to work it, put things

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together for him again. Yeah, oh yeah, I know, I'll wayne. Okay,

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then what's doing Skipper? Just got a call from Pasadena. Yeah,

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they picked up Hoffman ten minutes ago. The suspect, George Hoffman,

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was taken back to Los Angeles and lodged in county jail.

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Speaker 4: This time there was no escape.

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Speaker 2: At his superior court trial on August sixteenth, he was

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convicted on several counts of armed robbery and sentenced to

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the state penitentiary.

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Speaker 5: From August to January of the following year.

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Speaker 4: The months went fast.

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Speaker 2: We washed up a string of liquor store hold ups

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just before Chris got two days off. My uncle George

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and Ann Allen came down from rent and Washington to

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visit with my mother during the holidays. In January, Ben

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was off work for a week with a bad dose

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of flu. Another five months went by. Toward the end

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of June, we got word that George Hoffman was no

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longer at the State penitentiary after serving eleven months. The

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former hold up man had been parolled into the army

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with a provision that he served overseas. Another three weeks

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passed July twelfth, Tuesday, Ben and I had lunch at

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Cocin's cafe and check back in at the office. I

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wish Cocaine would change his menu as a little oftener.

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Fried beans and pastrami sandwiches. Seems to have the same thing.

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Speaker 4: Every time you sure dug into him. I got the

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idea that you'll like him, oh like more.

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Speaker 5: I don't just eat too much. That's all. Three sandwiches,

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two plates of beans. I wonder I never ate dinner, eh, Joe? Yeah,

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you two back from lunch. You want to grab a sandwich?

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Speaker 4: Jack? Go aheads last week and covered. Okay, thanks.

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Speaker 5: There's somebody waiting in the next room for you. Want

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to see you?

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Speaker 2: Okay, see later, all right. I want to see who

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it is, Joe. I'll check the book. Yeah, all right, fine, Yes, sir,

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my name is Friday. You want to see me?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, sardon remember me. George Hoffman?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Hoffman in the Army uniform there. I didn't

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recognize you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought it might fool you.

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Speaker 4: I guess you heard about me.

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Speaker 5: Good break, huh, I'm glad you feel that way.

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Speaker 4: How you doing with the army? Huh?

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Speaker 5: Pretty good?

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Speaker 4: I like it, that's fine.

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Speaker 7: Just thought i'd drop up and see your fellas. Say,

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you're still that partner your head.

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Speaker 4: What's his name?

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Speaker 5: Rodriguez Romero?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we still work together. Yeah Romero.

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Speaker 5: I knew it was some kind of name like that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, come on in, Hoffman, Oh thanks, hey, Ben,

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George Hoffman. Here he stopped in to see us.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, hi, a long time Laufman.

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Speaker 7: Hi, pretty good, Sartin, Thanks sir, Just thought I stop by.

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You know, sure, there's no hard feelings your thing?

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Speaker 5: You got any idea when you're going overseas?

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Speaker 7: Boys in my outfit? Figured day after tomorrow. That's kind

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of one reason why I dropped in and see you.

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Speaker 4: Well, how's that?

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Speaker 7: Well, I know it's pretty nervy.

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Speaker 5: But I got lots of that.

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Speaker 7: You see, a bunch of us are on leave till

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tomorrow noon. Figured we go out tonight and I'm a

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little short.

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Speaker 5: You know how the army pays?

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Speaker 4: Okay, how about a couple of bucks. George will not

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do you any good?

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Speaker 5: Sure as swell you sorry, believe me, I'll see you

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get it back. Here's a couple more Hoffman might help out. Well,

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it's Slee's tell you how much I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: I give you my word.

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Speaker 5: I won't forget it. I'm going to pay this money

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back to you.

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Speaker 4: I don't forget it, George. We're glad to help you out.

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Speaker 5: Well, thanks again for the touch. Huh. Sure, and I

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see you drop a card if you get a chance

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to hear how you're doing over there, Sure thing, see

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you later.

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Speaker 4: Huh. Right, good luck you boy. Looks like a turned

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for the better anyway. Huh.

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Speaker 5: But it was my last two bucks though, going to

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never failed. We had to give him something. Yeah, but

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what do I do for lunch money? Tomorrow?

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Speaker 2: Two pm we drove out to the Wilshire District to

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interview a robbery victim. We brought him back downtown and

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took his statement. Four point thirty pm we checked back

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in with Captain.

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Speaker 4: Walker Hiks Kibber.

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Speaker 2: Henry says that ex con George Hoffman was in to

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day Yeah to talk to him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, Ed why have a look. Hey, MP's

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laughed about twenty minutes ago as well. Here two bucks

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went for nothing.

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Speaker 2: Ben Hoffman's wanted huh broke out an Army prison ten

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o'clock this morning. Together with the army authorities, local officers

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joined in the city wide search for George Hoffman. At

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ten o'clock that night, a food market on Santa Fe

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and Rialo was robbed in the proprietor beaten from our mugshots,

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the victim identified Hoffman as the hold up man. Shortly

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after midnight, a drugstore on Crenshaw was held up. Hoffman

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was again tapped as the suspec. The next two days

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the search was intensified, no leads. Two more days went by.

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Late Saturday morning, we got a hurry up call from

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the detail on duty at the Union station. Paffman had

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been reported in the vicinity. Ben and I drove down

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to the depot to check with the officer in charge.

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Slats Henry. Spot him, Joe, No, let's have a look

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back by the ticket catters. Huh huh, Yeah, there he

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is over by the phone.

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Speaker 4: Luth come out.

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Speaker 5: High slash, Hi, looks pretty good.

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Speaker 4: What's the story.

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Speaker 2: One of the newsboys up the street gave us a

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tip about an hour ago. Guy gave him a dollar

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to come down here and buy a ticket for him,

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ticket to Phoenix.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Kid came in, bought the ticket, who went back up

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the street and gave it to the man. We showed

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the kid a bunch of mugshots. He picked out Hoffman's man.

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Speaker 4: He's not wearing his army uniformer.

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Speaker 5: No brown suit and dark blue overcoat. No had That's

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what the kid told us.

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Speaker 2: Any idea which twin he was taking for Feeni, Not exactly.

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He asked when the first train for Phoenix was. Newsboy

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told him three thirty five.

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Speaker 5: Minutes to twelve.

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Speaker 6: Now you got enough men to handlet's lance, everything's covered,

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only one thing lacking, Yeah Hoffman.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 2: The stakeout continued on the Union station. Ben and I,

477
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together with Gaffney and Henry from Robbery, covered the bars,

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restaurants and hotels in the immediate area for a sign

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of the suspect. Two thirty pm. What do you think

480
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we better head back down for the station. See what's doing?

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Speaker 5: Okay. I'd like to have a dime for every mile

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we have logged on this case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe, have a look where across the street, dark

484
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blue overcoat, same build as Hoffman. I'll bet on him.

485
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Come on, he spotted us. Yeah that's Hoffman. Come on,

486
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we'll pick it up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I lost him, Joe.

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Speaker 5: Where'd you go?

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Speaker 4: Turn down First Street? Come on, hurry up across the street.

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Bend here. What's the traffic? Where do you go?

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Speaker 5: I've seen him that antique store on the cornery, running there.

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Speaker 4: Come on.

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Speaker 1: There he is?

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Speaker 4: All right, Hoffman, out of the way, mister, fight. Hold

495
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right there, Hoffin, I'm coming out.

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Speaker 5: What's a joke? I said, I'm coming out. You hear me.

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Speaker 6: You're doing the hard way, George, come on, dropping dropping,

498
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all right, Huffman, all right on your face, Come on, get.

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Speaker 4: Up now, I get your hands behind you.

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Speaker 5: Sure what goods are going to do?

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Speaker 4: All right, mister, let's go.

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Speaker 5: What goods are going to do?

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Speaker 2: I already proved that I can break jail anytime.

504
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Speaker 4: I proved it twice. You're going right back in again?

505
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What's that?

506
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Speaker 2: Prove the story you have just heard was true? Only

507
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the names were changed to protect the innocent.

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Speaker 3: On October eighth, trial was held in Superior Court, Department

509
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eighty nine, City and County of Los Angeles State of

510
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California in a moment the results of that trial. George R.

511
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Hoffman was tried and convicted on several counts of robbery

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and received a life sentence as a hardened criminal. After

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serving ten months of his sentence, Hoffman attempted an escape

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and failed. A few weeks later, he took his own

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life in his prison cell by hanging.

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Speaker 5: Adies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Next week, in answer to your requests, Dragnet will repeat

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A Gun for Christmas.

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Speaker 5: The actual case history broadcast last year during the ule

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Tide season. That's next Thursday, December twenty First.

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Speaker 3: You have just heard Dragnet, a series of authentic cases

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from official files. Technical advice for Dragnet comes from the

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Office of Chief of Police W. H. Parker, Los Angeles

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Police Department.

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Speaker 4: We the people as next with more good Times on NBC.

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Speaker 1: Welcome Back. This is one of my favorite Dragnet stories,

527
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although I'll be honest that this is one where I

528
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do prefer the tea version to the radio version, as

529
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it's a really fun to watch visual story, particularly for

530
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early television, and also the casting is better with both

531
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Frank Smith as Friday's partner and also the railroad enthusiast

532
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,279
is better cast. I don't think the type of quirky

533
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that they were able to get out of that actor

534
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:28,000
in the TV version is really in herb Butterfields wheelhouse. Still,

535
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the radio version is plenty exciting and funding its own right.

536
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One thing I hadn't noticed was the bit where Hoffmann

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failed to start the car because he didn't turn the

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ignition over. This little detail did a good job of

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illustrating that despite all of his viciousness and cunning, he

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lacks the sort of cool headedness that you really need

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to have if you end up confronting the police. Now,

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I will say because I love the TV version, I

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did look up the im d B reviews of the

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TV version of the episode and was surprised by a

545
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few of the reviews, though I guess I probably shouldn't

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have been. A couple of reviewers noted that the episode

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showed law enforcement as pretty incompetent, and it showed all

548
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the flaws in the system, and why was Dragon that

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doing this as it was supposed to be about glorifying

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the police. Now, I don't think they really gave a

551
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concrete example of how our heroes failed, but they complained

552
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about things like him escaping from jail and also the

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parole into the military. Honestly, I think these reviewers like

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George Hoffman missed the point. Now there is a legitimate

555
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debate over parole processes and when we should have laws

556
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that lock a criminal up and throw away the key.

557
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That's a legitimate public policy debate I won't try to settle,

558
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but I do think that some key context is being

559
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missed in the criticism, and some of it is the

560
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confusing nature of dragnet storytelling. Because I first watched this

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as the nineteen fifty three TV episode, I had an

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image in my mind that he was going overseas, kind

563
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of like when my dad went into the military for

564
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the first time later on in the fifties, over to

565
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somewhere like West Germany. But in the real incident that

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this was based upon, that's not likely the escape case,

567
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because by the time that this episode aired in nineteen

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fifty Hoffen had been back to prison and tried to

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break out and committed suicide. And I would venture a

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guest that most likely the events occurred during World War Two,

571
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and so he was likely being parolled into a war zone,

572
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either Western Europe or into the South Pacific. The second

573
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thing is that while was on the police's size, it

574
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didn't portray them as superhuman, nor did it portray others

575
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in law enforcement as completely infallible. And there are all

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kinds of evidences of police and competence. I don't know

577
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that not planning for a guy teaching himself how to

578
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climb down the side of a building like Spider Man

579
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is a huge failure of competence. But the Big Break

580
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is actually a story about a very dangerous, very cunning

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criminal running up against the determine and steady of a

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professional police force ready to take him the moment he

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makes a mistake. And that's why at the end of

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the day, Friday asked him what it proved after they

585
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managed to recapture him every time he broke out. And ultimately,

586
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the thing with guys like Hawfman is that they'll continue

587
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to press their luck until it runs out. Now, you

588
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may not agree with the message of the episode, but

589
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that's what it's about. Well, now we turn to listener

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comments and feedback, and I have a letter from Jackie

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you're wondering about the Adams Old Time Radio Reference, I

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you for Pat who writes. Thanks for all the work

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Speaker 8: Where I went there to tell him to stay away

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from my sister. We had a fight. The manager came

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and stopped this. I told Hanson I'd kill him if

633
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it didn't lay off. The manager heard this. Then I

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went home.

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Speaker 4: What time was it about eight thirty the.

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Speaker 8: Police claimed I returned to Hanson's apartment and shot it.

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I couldn't prove I was at home all night. It

638
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was going rough for me until Patricia Park testified she

639
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was with me at the time when the crime was

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said to have been committed.

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Speaker 9: Why didn't you do the police in the first phase

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that this Patricia Park was with you?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's the whole trouble. She wasn't what Her claim

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that she spent the hours nine till midnight with me

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was a lie. In fact, I never met the woman

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in my life.

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Speaker 9: Have you contacted this Patricia since East, mister Bokok, Yes,

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but she refuses to see me. Gee forho and missus

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Patricia Park and tenor that you must hear it once

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her own good.

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Speaker 1: I hope you'll be with us then in the meantime.

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