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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from kf I

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty KFI AM six forty Bill Handle.

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<v Speaker 2>Here. It is a Thursday morning, February twentieth. It is

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<v Speaker 2>nice days, nice sunny out there. What's the weather going

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<v Speaker 2>to be amy, It's.

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<v Speaker 3>Going to be some clouds this morning and then mostly

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<v Speaker 3>sunny with eyes in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's gonna be a beautiful day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And where did I just hear that? What was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the cities.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be fifty degrees below in the east

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<v Speaker 2>twenty degrees below.

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<v Speaker 1>They're in some of.

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<v Speaker 2>The most devastating winter weather that has been around in

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<v Speaker 2>a very very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Kentucky is all underwater? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it snowing in New Orleans? I have no idea

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<v Speaker 2>good place to be in southern California. Too many people

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<v Speaker 2>are moving in. Okay, just want to know what the

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<v Speaker 2>weather was like. FEMA one of our favorite agencies. FEMA

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<v Speaker 2>actually has a great reputation for helping people out and

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<v Speaker 2>distress it.

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<v Speaker 1>FEMA's like the Red Cross, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>They come in almost immediately and help whatever area. Eve

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<v Speaker 2>Soul States actually when there are disasters like the fire.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's what's happening. The cleanup of those the various

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<v Speaker 2>areas that were devastated by both fires eating and peladiice

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<v Speaker 2>Paradise fires had to start almost immediately, and it did,

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<v Speaker 2>and FEMA came in, federal contractors, Female hired a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of contractors, and they're cleaning up the place, even at

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<v Speaker 2>a more rapid rapid pace than was here to heretofore

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<v Speaker 2>being anticipated.

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<v Speaker 1>And so here's what always happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Is they would come in, FEMA would come in, the State,

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<v Speaker 2>would come in, clear up a debris area, a debris field,

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<v Speaker 2>and then test the soil for contamination. Having found out

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<v Speaker 2>that in many cases the policies that were being followed

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<v Speaker 2>the actual removal involved not only removing the debris, but

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<v Speaker 2>also removing several layers of top soil, several inches of

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<v Speaker 2>top soil. That's part of the cleanup. So the state said, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thank you very much. The FEDS are now

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<v Speaker 2>being involved, and now let's talk about the soil testing.

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<v Speaker 2>And FAMA said, nah, we're not going to do the

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<v Speaker 2>soil testing. I say, wait a minute, You've always do

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<v Speaker 2>it in the past. Yeah, well we think and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the director of FEMA, the Federal Coordinating Officer Curtis Brown.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes back to the California Safety Standards folks, California's

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<v Speaker 2>Office of Emergency Services, and he says, we're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to do any soil testing.

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<v Speaker 1>If you want to, you do it on your own.

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<v Speaker 2>And now you have the Office Emergency Services in California saying,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, we're not going to know you have

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<v Speaker 2>to you have to test the soil. Will now not

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<v Speaker 2>going to And by the way, even if you test

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<v Speaker 2>the soil and you find out that it's too contaminated,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to go any further down in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of removing top soil.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you do with that?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the ongoing battle of California versus the Feds,

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<v Speaker 2>I think so so far.

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<v Speaker 1>In the other areas.

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<v Speaker 2>Traditionally, when you've even California, but you've had flooding that

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<v Speaker 2>goes on throughout the Mississippi Delta, and you've had the

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<v Speaker 2>hurricanes that have just destroyed so much of the South East, Southeast,

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<v Speaker 2>the eastern part of the United States, there has always

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<v Speaker 2>been just part and parcel of cleanup. You do the

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<v Speaker 2>toxic testing and then you get to work. This time,

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<v Speaker 2>the answer is no, even worse than that, And I

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<v Speaker 2>wish it was just I wish they had just said

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<v Speaker 2>FEMA said, now we're not going to because we hate

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, because we're part of administration that just isn't

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<v Speaker 2>very happy with California.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way we're going to deal with it. No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>This is the fun that I just love what Brown said.

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<v Speaker 2>Curtis Brown and saying no to the California Emergency Services

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<v Speaker 2>folks is soil testing jeopardizes the speed and the budget

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<v Speaker 2>of the cleanup, and it would delay recovery by several months.

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<v Speaker 1>He writes.

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<v Speaker 2>However, FEMA does not prevent the state, local governments, or

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<v Speaker 2>individual property owners from conducting their own soil testing if

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<v Speaker 2>they want to. We encourage the state to conduct soil

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<v Speaker 2>testing if they wish, if they wish to do so,

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<v Speaker 2>Brown wrote, but we are confident that our current practices

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<v Speaker 2>speed up recovery while protecting and advancing public healthy health

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<v Speaker 2>and safety. This is one of those nicotine doesn't actually

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<v Speaker 2>harm you. This is big Pharma saying higher prices are

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<v Speaker 2>actually good for you, that can suer lower prices are bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is FEMA saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Soil testing lack of soil tasting is good for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Not testing the soil is actually good. Okay, so kick back,

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy us not doing the work because you know it's

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<v Speaker 2>better for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's going to be well, it is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be quicker. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>If we don't test the soil, you know that permitting

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<v Speaker 2>will be faster because testing soil coming back saying there's

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<v Speaker 2>still toxicity levels and therefore we have to dig down

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<v Speaker 2>even deeper to remove top soil. You know that's good

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<v Speaker 2>to delay things. That's true. He's absolutely right. But we

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<v Speaker 2>all know that if we don't test and you build

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<v Speaker 2>on toxic levels, that's actually good for you.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up is down, what's down is up.

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<v Speaker 2>And really that letter you wrote, what you think is

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<v Speaker 2>on square paper, is actually a round piece of paper,

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<v Speaker 2>don't you know that. By the way, I'm looking out

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<v Speaker 2>the window, I see blue skies. But if the National

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<v Speaker 2>Weather Service tells me that it's raining, it's raining, and

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<v Speaker 2>even further, I would say, they would say it's raining

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<v Speaker 2>cats and dogs until you eat those cats and dogs. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that that's kind of a stretch. I get

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<v Speaker 2>that a little put a political statement there, give or take.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we just change subjects on this one. Going

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<v Speaker 2>back to the fires for a moment. And as I've

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<v Speaker 2>said over and over again, we're going to be doing

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<v Speaker 2>fire stories for I don't know months, probably, and how

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with the aftermath of these just killer firestorms

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<v Speaker 2>that hit, those devastating wildfires that eating and the Palistas

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<v Speaker 2>eating fire in the Palisades. And so we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>our building permitting process is going to be changed. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be speeded up. Are there going to

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<v Speaker 2>be people who yesterday we did a story on be

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<v Speaker 2>able to take and do our own permitting for example,

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<v Speaker 2>or our own investigations inspectors will be able to do

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<v Speaker 2>it ourselves or at least the builders, the engineers, etc. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's one of them possibility. And then then it goes

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<v Speaker 2>a little further. If you go to a place in Hissperia,

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<v Speaker 2>right on the edge of the Mohave Debt Desert, there

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<v Speaker 2>is a place called cal Earth, and it returns us

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<v Speaker 2>to our roots, sort of one of those hippie dippy

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<v Speaker 2>yippie places where people who live in commune should go

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<v Speaker 2>forward and set up their own living environment, that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. But I'll tell you what they have there

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<v Speaker 2>and this is where it's taken it to a new level.

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<v Speaker 2>There is at cal Earth a place called Earth one

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<v Speaker 2>and cal Earth is a campus and nonprofit organization that

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<v Speaker 2>pitches new ways of living and they have championed a

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<v Speaker 2>building style called the super Adobe. It's a house, but man,

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<v Speaker 2>what a house it is. It's not a box house.

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<v Speaker 2>What it does is it looks like vaulted domes nestled

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<v Speaker 2>inside each other. The walls are curved, the ceilings are

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<v Speaker 2>tall and arched. It's almost like something out of a

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars movie, you know, one of those weird planets.

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<v Speaker 2>And what this building can do, it can withstand a

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<v Speaker 2>colossal natural disaster, tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, fire, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>a really interesting building because what it does is utilize

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<v Speaker 2>materials from the earth. Not that technically everything isn't but

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<v Speaker 2>it's not lumber. It has some concrete, it uses adobe,

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<v Speaker 2>which is mud and water, some binders, it uses some rebar.

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<v Speaker 2>Point is it is a lot cheaper than building and

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like it does a whole lot more.

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<v Speaker 1>In terms of what it can do to avert fire.

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<v Speaker 2>And right now, super Adobes have been constructed all over

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<v Speaker 2>the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Homes and ADUs and.

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<v Speaker 2>Resorts and orphanages and clinics. A super Adobe and Nepal

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<v Speaker 2>survived both a seven point three and a seven point

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<v Speaker 2>earthquake that leveled everything else where.

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<v Speaker 1>It was constructed in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas fire, Ventura County, seventeen twenty eighteen. Super Adobees came

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<v Speaker 2>out of them unscathed. Now this has been around for

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<v Speaker 2>a whole long time. Matter of fact, Adobe the earth

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<v Speaker 2>and building material, the Adobe. If remember when school, when

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<v Speaker 2>we were kids and we made Adobe bricks, because the

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<v Speaker 2>missions are out of Adobe bricks.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're still around.

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<v Speaker 2>The other day I was where which one of the

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<v Speaker 2>San Frano mission is still around. It was built in

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<v Speaker 2>the seventeen hundreds of adobe. It's not concrete, it's Adobe

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<v Speaker 2>bricks that are made by the Indians.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course that when we were kids thought Father Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>was this.

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<v Speaker 2>This great loving Catholic priests who lovingly took the Indians.

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<v Speaker 2>Turned out he was enslaved all of them and killed

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<v Speaker 2>half of them with the disease. But with diseases, but

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<v Speaker 2>that's a different story. You look at the Spanish missions

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<v Speaker 2>and the homes that were built and the buildings were

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<v Speaker 2>built of that time, made out of adobe. Those just work.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't need the building materials. There aren't toxins involved.

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<v Speaker 2>The cost of building one of these super adobees is

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<v Speaker 2>about a third the price of building the same house,

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<v Speaker 2>same size home, using conventional labor, conventional architecture. It seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be the way of the future, and you know

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<v Speaker 2>what it is, it's a way of the past.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's really kind of looking this up. You want

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<v Speaker 1>to look at cal earth.

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<v Speaker 2>It relies on the arch you know, these domes and

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<v Speaker 2>the homes can be connected to the electric grid, sewer lines.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're basically a home that is made out

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<v Speaker 2>of the earth, and it seems to work.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Good shot, by the way, always being studied by NASA

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<v Speaker 2>United Nations is looking at these buildings and you may

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<v Speaker 2>find that now they're weird looking because they really do

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<v Speaker 2>look like a movie set. But if it works and

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<v Speaker 2>it works, people are going to have to do something

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<v Speaker 2>and this may be the answer. And kind of looking

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<v Speaker 2>at a picture, it's actually worth looking at. It literally

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<v Speaker 2>does look like it's on a set of Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, one of the what's that planet that the

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<v Speaker 2>Ewoks live on?

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<v Speaker 1>Do I have an indoor yeah, it looks like something

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<v Speaker 1>from indoor.

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<v Speaker 2>One of those bars that you walk into if you

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<v Speaker 2>have fourteen eyes and you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know eight skulls. All right, Done with that, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it ever possible to justify a lawyer charging one thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>nine hundred and seventy five dollars an hour? And on

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<v Speaker 2>top of that, it's your taxpayer dollars that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be used to pay this a lawyer. So let

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<v Speaker 2>me tell you, and at the end of this conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>this actually may make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, we've got an issue with the fires,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, and the law suits hit before the first.

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<v Speaker 1>Fire was even out.

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<v Speaker 2>So you have La City is being sued in regards

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<v Speaker 2>to the Palisades fire we had. In addition to not

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<v Speaker 2>having enough water pressure enough water, there was that reservoir

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<v Speaker 2>that same thing he has water reservoir that had what

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and seventeen million gallons of water that was empty,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's lawsuits are gonna fly there big time. Keep

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<v Speaker 2>in mind, each of these lawsuits, every homeowner is looking

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<v Speaker 2>at millions of dollars of money that wants back the

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<v Speaker 2>insurance company, same thing. The insurance company end up paying up.

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<v Speaker 2>They just turn around through the city. So what does

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<v Speaker 2>a city do with Apartment of Water and Power. They

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<v Speaker 2>have to hire lawyers because lawsuits have already hit. So okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a city attorney's office. They don't have the

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<v Speaker 2>expertise to do this. Now, these city attorneys are not

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<v Speaker 2>super specialists in wildfires. There are firms that are not.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all they do, but they have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>in case, Munger Tolls and Olsen a law firm that

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<v Speaker 2>was hired by the city. They have defended the city

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<v Speaker 2>before with wildfires. They defended the City of Maui and

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<v Speaker 2>the Maui Electrical Power Company when those fires hit.

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<v Speaker 1>They've defended PG and E. They just have a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Wh when you talk about, oh my god, the city

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<v Speaker 2>had to pay the insurance companies had to pay X

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<v Speaker 2>number of dollar, these huge dollars, well that's because after

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<v Speaker 2>that it would have been far more than that had

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<v Speaker 2>not good legal expertise come in. So part of the

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<v Speaker 2>defense that Munger Tolls has to argue is why the

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<v Speaker 2>reservoir was taken off line. Why it remained out of

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<v Speaker 2>service for so long. Keep in mind that this law

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<v Speaker 2>firm that has been retained and I can't even imagine

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<v Speaker 2>how many tens of millions of dollars they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>make on this where they're going to charge the partners

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundred and seventy five dollars an hour, associates built

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<v Speaker 2>from seven forty five to eleven eighty an hour. And

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<v Speaker 2>the Lacity attorney said that this was a discounted rate

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<v Speaker 2>structure and that was one of the reasons that Munger

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<v Speaker 2>was hired because they were able to give us a

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<v Speaker 2>discount at almost two thousand dollars an hour. So here's

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<v Speaker 2>the reason a firm like this is retained. And it

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<v Speaker 2>takes a big time firm to do this. This is

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<v Speaker 2>not an individual lawyer specialized expertise. The DWP in this

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<v Speaker 2>case needing immediate representation right now, going up to speed

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<v Speaker 2>because at an emergency, and the city said had actually

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed three law firms before selecting Monger Tolls a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of experience, obviously do a decent job. We don't know yet,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you're dealing in this hierarchy, when they talk

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<v Speaker 2>about lawyers making buckets of money. I always tell people

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<v Speaker 2>with old bills, should I become a lawyer? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't. No, am I going to make a lot of money?

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<v Speaker 1>No you're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Now if you're going to reach this kind of rarefied air,

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<v Speaker 2>a couple thousand dollars an hour, yeah, there aren't too

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<v Speaker 2>many people that do this. For example, those of you.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember my daughter Pamela, who's a great has a

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<v Speaker 2>great voice. Dad, I want to go into show business.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to sing, I want to do musicals. I go,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great. So will you support me? No?

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<v Speaker 1>I won't.

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<v Speaker 2>But you said I'm good. I say, I think you're

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<v Speaker 2>very good. But you're not spectacular better than everybody else

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<v Speaker 2>out there. And then when you finish being spectacular and

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<v Speaker 2>better than anywhere any any of you are out there,

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<v Speaker 2>or anybody else is out there, then you are competing

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<v Speaker 2>about a thousand other spectaculars better than anybody else out

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<v Speaker 2>there for one role. This is very rarefied air. And

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get to be You don't get to charge

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundred and seventy five dollars an hour by accident.

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<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't work that way. So when we look

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<v Speaker 2>at these outrageous amounts of money that are being charged

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of people's opinion the other way. And

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, am I defending this? I guess I am.

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<v Speaker 2>You know I am defending it. I remember when Rush Limbaugh,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember he used to be on KFI. Of course

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<v Speaker 2>KFI came up through the ranks because of Rush Limbaugh,

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<v Speaker 2>and Rush was making I don't know, thirty five million

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<v Speaker 2>dollars a year, and I'd be talking to people and

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<v Speaker 2>they go, oh my.

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<v Speaker 1>God, how can anybody make that much? How can he

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<v Speaker 1>get paid that much? I go, he's a bargain.

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<v Speaker 2>They're lucky to have him for thirty five million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>a year. You know, why does Tom Cruise get twenty

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars the picture? Because he produces He produces the results.

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<v Speaker 2>Why does Conda get paid minimum wage? Because he produces

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<v Speaker 2>results at a very competitive wage. And this is iHeart. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>enough of that. By the way, what was the most

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<v Speaker 2>I ever charged.

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<v Speaker 1>As a lawyer? Yeah, yeah, I'm just.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to think of because I used to always do

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<v Speaker 2>it on a We used to do it on a

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<v Speaker 2>case by case basis, but occasionally I would go in

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<v Speaker 2>and on early surrogacy days, early reproductive law days. I

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<v Speaker 2>think at one point I think I hit, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>four to seventy five an hour. Now we're going back

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<v Speaker 2>thirty five years or four hundred and seventy five dollars

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<v Speaker 2>an hour actually with some real money for a lawyer today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Always argued that was a bargain because I knew my stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They're just what There weren't other people that do it.

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<v Speaker 2>So some other lawyer is going to charge you five

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<v Speaker 2>hours just to figure out what it is. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly what I'm talking about. There is that level

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundred seventy five dollars an hour. Man, why don't

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<v Speaker 2>I go back to practicing law. We're done on this one,

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<v Speaker 2>all right now? Moving on to YouTube. It's kind of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I watch a lot of YouTube TV, and it is

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<v Speaker 2>a fortune, but all my network stuff I do on

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube and YouTube has just turned twenty and it is

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<v Speaker 2>the most watched streamer on USTv screens now. The vast

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<v Speaker 2>fast majority of people watch YouTube for free. I watch

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube TV, but it accounted for almost eleven percent of

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<v Speaker 2>television viewing in January, beating out Netflix and all of

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<v Speaker 2>is growing faster than any of them. Also, YouTube streaming

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<v Speaker 2>hours on you YouTube, including the live TV service, increased

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<v Speaker 2>twenty seven percent in twenty twenty four, basically went up

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's astronomical. And has just hit.

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<v Speaker 2>Quarterly advertising revenue of ten billion dollars per quarter. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>It used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember when YouTube first came out of me was a

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<v Speaker 2>while ago, but it was all about cat videos and

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<v Speaker 2>those short little comedy sketches that people did. Well, it's sports,

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<v Speaker 2>it's traumas, it's three hour video podcasts, shows for preschoolers,

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<v Speaker 2>and then the big one. And I was just introduced

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<v Speaker 2>and I said, so, how does really connect?

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<v Speaker 1>What kind of adapter do I need? And will I

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<v Speaker 1>be able to do this? He goes, oh, let me go.

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<v Speaker 2>On YouTube and find out and I didn't think of

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<v Speaker 2>it because I don't default. But there is nothing that

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<v Speaker 1>Ten minutes?

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<v Speaker 3>And YouTube and you can be an expert in just

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<v Speaker 3>about anything. I know, and I'm not a big TV

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<v Speaker 3>guy these days, so but YouTube is on in my

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<v Speaker 3>shop when I'm working, and I learned tons of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>from three D printing to cab drawing, a digital design

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<v Speaker 3>to you know, you can learn anything, some of it

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<v Speaker 3>not correctly, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. But where's you say? Where's

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<v Speaker 1>the guardrails?

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<v Speaker 2>Here?

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<v Speaker 1>With someone? Here's how to do a surgery.

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<v Speaker 3>But you find a good you know, you go down

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<v Speaker 3>a good vein of people and people that I follow

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<v Speaker 3>and subscribe and and you learn a lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldworking anything?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, these are various programs, platforms services.

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<v Speaker 1>When you think, why didn't I think of that?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and across the board, you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>just Velcrow, why didn't I think of that?

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<v Speaker 1>But it's Uber? Why didn't I think of that? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, basically a taxi service, Airbnb? Gee, why didn't

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<v Speaker 1>I think of that one?

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<v Speaker 2>But this is why I'm here and the twelve year

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<v Speaker 2>has just bought himself a Caribbean island. Is there such

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen? Does that exist? This is KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been listening to the Bill Handle Show. Catch my

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