1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,600 Speaker 1: I want you to close your eyes for a second. Well, 2 00:00:01,679 --> 00:00:04,240 unless you're driving them, please keep them open. But picture this. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,440 You are standing in the middle of the Yucatan jungle. 4 00:00:08,439 --> 00:00:12,359 It is hot, I mean the air is thick, humid, 5 00:00:12,439 --> 00:00:15,599 sticking to your skin. You are surrounded by thousands of 6 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:19,760 people and everyone is staring up at this massive limestone 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:22,800 pyramid towering over the trees. It's the Pyramid of El 8 00:00:22,879 --> 00:00:27,760 Castillo at chichen Itza, and everyone is dead, silent. You 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,480 are all waiting for the sun to set. 10 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 2: It is late afternoon on the equinox. That is the 11 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:33,240 crucial detail here. 12 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,039 Speaker 1: The timing has to be perfect right the equinox, and 13 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:38,200 as the sun starts to dip toward the horizon, a 14 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,640 shadow hits the northern balustrade of the pyramid, and it 15 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,719 doesn't just look like a generic shadow. It looks like 16 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:47,000 a body. It joins up with this massive stone head 17 00:00:47,079 --> 00:00:50,039 carved at the base of the stairs, and suddenly you 18 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:52,560 are looking at one hundred foot long serpent made of 19 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,399 light and darkness, slithering. It actually looks like it's moving, exactly, 20 00:00:56,439 --> 00:00:58,200 slithering down from the heavens to the earth. 21 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 2: It is, and I don't think this is an exis 22 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:04,319 arguably one of the most sophisticated feats of geoengineering in 23 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:04,879 the ancient world. 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. 25 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: To align a structure of that magnitude so precisely that 26 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,719 it animates a stone statue using nothing but the sun. 27 00:01:13,879 --> 00:01:16,319 That takes a level of math and planning that is 28 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:18,840 it's just hard to wrack your head around even today. 29 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,599 Speaker 1: It is theatrical. Absolutely, it's a spectacle. But here's the 30 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,640 question that kept nagging me as I was reading through 31 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:29,079 these reports today. Why why do you mobilize an entire civilization, 32 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,400 move tons of stone without wheels or beasts of burden, 33 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,920 and align it with that level of mathematical precision just 34 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:37,840 to make a shadow puppet twice a year. 35 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,439 Speaker 2: Unless, of course, it wasn't just a show, unless it was. 36 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: A record, a record of a visitor. And that is 37 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,879 where we are going today. We are looking at a 38 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,760 massive stack of reports that center on the interstellar secrets 39 00:01:48,799 --> 00:01:52,359 of ancient civilizations. We've got data from the History Channel, 40 00:01:52,359 --> 00:01:55,400 We've got the theories of Eric von Danigan, Giorgio Sucolo's, 41 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,840 David Childress. We are pulling from the absolute best of 42 00:01:58,879 --> 00:02:00,000 the thrilling threads. 43 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:02,359 Speaker 2: Collect and we are going to treat this as a 44 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:07,040 true investigation. Our mission is to strip away the spooky 45 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:10,639 music aspect of these theories and just look at the logic. 46 00:02:11,159 --> 00:02:14,599 The central premise we are testing is this, are these 47 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:19,400 ancient myths actually historical journalism? When the Maya carved figure 48 00:02:19,479 --> 00:02:22,680 operating a machine, were they being symbolic or were they 49 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,000 just drawing what they saw? 50 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,319 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling Threads. I am your guide, the enthusiastic learner, 51 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,759 here to ask the questions we all thinking, and I. 52 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,719 Speaker 2: Am here to help connect those dots and keep us 53 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:34,000 grounded in the context. 54 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: So we have a lot to cover. We are going 55 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,680 from Mexico to Honduras, down to the underworld and all 56 00:02:39,719 --> 00:02:41,919 the way over to Greece. It's a big trip. But 57 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,759 before we get into the specifics, we need to set 58 00:02:43,759 --> 00:02:46,159 the stage. We are talking about the Maya and the. 59 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: Aztecs, right and for the listener who might recall their 60 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,759 high school history class, mainstream history often paints these civilizations 61 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,000 as well as isolated. The narrative is that they developed 62 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:58,599 entirely on their own in the Americas, cut off from 63 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:01,319 the rest of the world, and yet they were astronomically 64 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:04,240 advanced in ways that rivaled or even exceeded Europe at 65 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:04,599 the time. 66 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,879 Speaker 1: Exceeded for sure, and the lens we are using today, 67 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,639 the thread we are pulling, is looking at these ruins 68 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:17,000 not just as temples, but as potential cargo cult recreations 69 00:03:17,039 --> 00:03:17,919 of high technology. 70 00:03:18,039 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: That term is really important, cargo cult. 71 00:03:20,759 --> 00:03:23,039 Speaker 1: Let's break that down because I think it frames everything 72 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,479 we are about to discuss. It's a fascinating concept. 73 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 2: Sure so for the listener who might not be familiar 74 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,039 with that term. It comes from World War Two. You 75 00:03:30,159 --> 00:03:34,680 had indigenous tribes in the Pacific Islands Melanesia mostly who 76 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:38,280 had never seen modern technology. They live very traditional, low 77 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,759 tech lives. Suddenly the US military shows up. They build runways, 78 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:45,960 they set up radio towers, and giant metal birds. Planes 79 00:03:46,039 --> 00:03:48,080 land with food, medicine, and cargo. 80 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: To the tribes, this must have looked like pure magic, exactly. 81 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,719 Speaker 2: They see men on the ground waving orange wands to 82 00:03:53,719 --> 00:03:56,159 guide the planes in. They see men putting on headsets 83 00:03:56,159 --> 00:03:58,319 and talking to the sky. They don't understand the mechanics 84 00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:01,639 of radio or aerodynamics. They just see the ritual wave 85 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:03,599 wand wear headset, receive cargo. 86 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:06,879 Speaker 1: And then the war ends. The military packs up and 87 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:09,560 leaves the cargo stops coming right. 88 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: In decades later, anthropologists go back to these islands, and 89 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:15,759 what do they find. The tribes are building imitation runways 90 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,800 out of straw and bamboo. They are carving headphones out 91 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,920 of coconuts. They are mimicking the movements of the ground crew, 92 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:25,800 waving sticks, hoping that if they perform the ritual correctly, 93 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,199 the gods in the metal birds will return with the cargo. 94 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: It is heartbreaking, but also completely logical from their perspective. 95 00:04:34,879 --> 00:04:38,120 They are perfectly replicating the form of the technology without 96 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,120 understanding the function. 97 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 2: That is the key. They are acting out a memory 98 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,879 of high technology using the materials they have available. 99 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:47,959 Speaker 1: So the lens we're using today for thrilling threads is 100 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:51,360 what if the pyramids are the straw runways. What if 101 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:54,439 the stone cartings are the coconut headphones. What if these 102 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,319 ancient cultures saw something I tech and then spend thousands 103 00:04:57,319 --> 00:04:59,959 of years building stone replicas to try and bring it. 104 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:03,519 Speaker 2: That is the core question. If you see technology but 105 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,120 you'll lack the vocabulary for it, you call it magic, 106 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,720 you call the beings piloting it gods. But if we 107 00:05:08,759 --> 00:05:12,360 strip away the religious language, do we find a technological core. 108 00:05:12,639 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. We have to start with the 109 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,519 serpent I mentioned in the intro. Segment one takes us 110 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,160 to Chichinitza. The Pyramid of Il. 111 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 2: Castillo a fascinating location located on the Yucatan Peninsula. This 112 00:05:24,759 --> 00:05:28,160 city thrived roughly between seven fifty and twelve hundred eighty. 113 00:05:28,879 --> 00:05:31,759 It was a major hub of trade and religion, a 114 00:05:31,879 --> 00:05:33,439 real metropolis, and. 115 00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:36,600 Speaker 1: The centerpiece is Lcstio. Now I mentioned the light and 116 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:39,279 shadow trick, but let's really get into the mechanics of this, 117 00:05:39,519 --> 00:05:42,199 because I think people underestimate the math involved here. It's 118 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,959 not just build a triangle pile of rocks, No. 119 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: Not at all. You have to understand that the Maya 120 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,560 were obsessed with time and astronomy. The pyramid of Lkestio 121 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,600 is basically a stone clock. It has four sides. Each 122 00:05:53,639 --> 00:05:54,959 side has ninety one steps. 123 00:05:55,079 --> 00:05:57,639 Speaker 1: We do some quick mental math here. Ninety one times 124 00:05:57,639 --> 00:05:59,879 four is three hundred and sixty four plus. 125 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: The top platform, which counts as a step. That makes 126 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,800 three hundred and sixty five the exact number of days 127 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,399 in the solar year. The entire building is a calendar, 128 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:10,120 but it goes deeper. The pyramid is built with nine 129 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:11,959 distinct platforms or terraces. 130 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,959 Speaker 1: Nine platforms, okay, and how does that work? Why nine? 131 00:06:15,079 --> 00:06:17,879 Speaker 2: When the sun hits those platforms on the equinox, and 132 00:06:18,079 --> 00:06:21,480 only on the equinox, the angle is perfect to cast 133 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,199 a shadow against the side of the stairway. The light 134 00:06:24,319 --> 00:06:26,839 hits the corners of the platforms and the shadow falls 135 00:06:26,879 --> 00:06:31,639 on the wall. It creates seven perfect triangles of light, and. 136 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: Those seven triangles link up to form the diamond pattern 137 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,160 of a snake's. 138 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,079 Speaker 2: Body correct and that body links up perfectly with the 139 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,399 colossal stone serpent head carved at the bottom of the stairs. 140 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,920 So visually you have this body of a snake undulating 141 00:06:45,959 --> 00:06:48,079 down the pyramid from the sky to the ground. It's 142 00:06:48,079 --> 00:06:48,680 an animation. 143 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: Imagine the architectural planning for that. You aren't just building 144 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,480 a stable structure. You are building a structure that has 145 00:06:54,519 --> 00:06:58,199 to be oriented to true north with absolute precision. You 146 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,759 have to calculate the slope of the wall so that 147 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,920 the shadow falls exactly on the balustrade at a specific 148 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,800 hour of a specific day. If you are off by 149 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,439 even a degree, or if the slope is slightly wrong, 150 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,360 the snake is broken. It doesn't work. 151 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: It implies a knowledge of geometry and orbital mechanics that 152 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,920 is just staggering for a society that supposedly didn't have 153 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:18,360 the wheel. 154 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: And Eric von Dankin, who is sort of the grandfather 155 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,319 of this ancient astronaut theory, he stood there in nineteen 156 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,439 sixty nine. He's standing in the crowd watching this shadow 157 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:29,519 crawl down the stairs, and he has this huge realization. 158 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,319 He calls it learning the game. 159 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,399 Speaker 2: The game is a great way to put it. It's 160 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:38,680 the difference between translation and interpretation. An archaeologist translates the 161 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,439 glyphs and says, this is a ceremony for the god 162 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:44,839 ku Kulcan. That is a translation. Von Danakin looks at 163 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:47,839 the visual data and says, okay, but what is Kukulcn? 164 00:07:47,959 --> 00:07:50,519 Speaker 1: Right, we know the name, but what does the name represent? 165 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:55,439 Speaker 2: Kukulcan or Queshelkotal to the Aztecs, or Kukumats to the Kishimaya. 166 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,240 It's the same figure across Mesoamerica, a feathered serpent, a 167 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:59,959 flying snake. 168 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: Now let's apply the cargo cult lens. If you are 169 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:05,839 a pre technological society, you don't have engines, you don't 170 00:08:05,879 --> 00:08:08,720 have metal wings, and you see a metallic craft flying 171 00:08:08,759 --> 00:08:09,120 through the. 172 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,199 Speaker 2: Air, and maybe it's trailing smoke or fire from an engine, 173 00:08:12,279 --> 00:08:13,959 a propulsion system of some kind. 174 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: Looks like a snake, a long, thin body moving through the. 175 00:08:17,079 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: Sky exactly, But it flies. And in your world, what 176 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:25,199 is the only thing that flies? Birds? Birds have feathers. 177 00:08:25,519 --> 00:08:28,279 So if you see a long snake like object flying, 178 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,040 you don't call it an airplane. You don't have that word. 179 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:34,080 You call it a feathered serpent. It's not a monster. 180 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,679 It's a descriptive noun for a flying machine. 181 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,399 Speaker 1: That is the coconut headphone moment. They're describing the fuselage, 182 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,200 they're describing what they see with the. 183 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: Words they have precisely. So Von Danikin argues that the 184 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,240 pyramid is a stone monument to a specific event. The 185 00:08:50,279 --> 00:08:53,480 god kuckle Can descended from the sky in this craft, 186 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,639 taught the people and then ascend it again. 187 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: But he made a promise, the classic I shall return. 188 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:00,159 It's a story we see if. 189 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: He promised to return in the faraway future. So the 190 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:06,879 Maya built this incredible machine, the Pyramid, that twice a 191 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,320 year reminds the people he came from the sky and 192 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:10,759 he will come back from the sky. 193 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,919 Speaker 1: It's a promise carved in stone and animated by the sun. 194 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,519 It really makes you think about the dedication required. You 195 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,759 don't move that much stone just for a fairy tale. 196 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:21,320 You do it because you saw something that changed your reality. 197 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 2: That is the argument that the intensity of the construction 198 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,360 matches the intensity of the event. If a space ship 199 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,759 landed in your backyard today, you wouldn't forget about it. 200 00:09:29,759 --> 00:09:31,879 You would build a monument. You would tell your grandkids, 201 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:33,120 the story would live on. 202 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: And speaking of intensity and monuments to visitors, we have 203 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,519 to move to segment two. We're going from the open 204 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,879 plaza of Chichenitza to the deep, humid jungles of Chiappas 205 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:46,080 to the site of polanke. 206 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 2: The Temple of Inscriptions. This is perhaps the most famous, 207 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,879 the most iconic site for ancient astronaut theorists. 208 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: This is the one that always gets me. I remember 209 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,799 seeing this image in a library book when I was 210 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,600 a kid, long before I knew what a podcast was, 211 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,720 and just staring at it. We are talking about the 212 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:03,879 tomb of Lord. 213 00:10:03,639 --> 00:10:08,279 Speaker 2: Polankle, discovered in the nineteen fifties by archaeologist Alberto Ruselilier, 214 00:10:08,759 --> 00:10:11,240 and this wasn't just a burial. It was a hidden chamber. 215 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,799 It was deliberately concealed. He found a secret staircase inside 216 00:10:15,799 --> 00:10:18,840 the temple filled with rubble. It took him years to 217 00:10:18,879 --> 00:10:21,320 clear it out. Finally he reaches the bottom and there 218 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,080 is this massive tomb and inside was the sarcophagus of 219 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,320 the Great King Polang. 220 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: But it's the lid that everyone talks about. I mean, 221 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,679 if you buy a book on this topic, this image 222 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,799 is on the cover. It is a massive slab of limestone, 223 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:36,519 intricately carved. 224 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 2: It is the Rosetta stone of the theory in a way. 225 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:42,000 Now we have to be fair to the mainstream view. 226 00:10:42,159 --> 00:10:45,120 Archaeologists look at this intricate carving on the lid and 227 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:49,200 they see deep symbolism. They see King pek Hall at 228 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,360 the moment of his death. He is falling backwards into 229 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:56,360 the jaws of the underworld or Jibalba. The cross shape 230 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,440 behind him is the world tree, the waka Chan. It 231 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:00,720 was a spirit which will journey. 232 00:11:00,799 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: Right, that's the textbook version. He is falling into death. 233 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:06,039 But then you have David Childress and Ericandanikin looking at 234 00:11:06,039 --> 00:11:08,320 it and they say, hold on, tilt your head. Look 235 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,000 at his posture. 236 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: Let's describe that posture for the listener who might not 237 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,759 be looking at it right now. Pekkacal is not lying 238 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:17,879 flat like a corpse. He is bending forward. His knees 239 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:19,240 are drawn up toward his chest. 240 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,399 Speaker 1: Sure a racing motorcyclist or an astronaut in a lunch chair. 241 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,159 He's braced for something exactly. 242 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: He looks like he is bracing for g force. And 243 00:11:26,519 --> 00:11:29,039 look at his hands. They aren't folded in prayer or 244 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:29,840 resting at his side. 245 00:11:29,919 --> 00:11:30,519 Speaker 1: Now, they're busy. 246 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: They're busy. The upper hand seems to be manipulating a 247 00:11:33,519 --> 00:11:36,639 knob or a dial, The lower hand is adjusting some 248 00:11:36,759 --> 00:11:37,720 kind of control lever. 249 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:39,919 Speaker 1: And the face, this is the part that always guess me. 250 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,559 His nose isn't free. It looks like it is plugged 251 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:43,279 into something. 252 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 2: An oxygen mask or a breathing apparatus of some sort. 253 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,360 It connects to the rest of the machinery. And he 254 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,440 is sitting in this capsule. Behind him, there are carvings 255 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,399 that look an awful lot like flames or propulsion exhaust. 256 00:11:54,519 --> 00:11:56,879 Speaker 1: When you describe it like that, a guy hunching forward, 257 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:00,840 hands on controls, mask on face, fire coming out the back, 258 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,200 it is really, really, hard to unsee the rocket ship. 259 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: That was von Danikin's point. He said, I see a 260 00:12:07,159 --> 00:12:11,120 Mayan king in a rocket ship. It challenges the entire 261 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:15,480 timeline of human capability. If this interpretation is even partially correct, 262 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,200 it suggests that the concept of space travel of a 263 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:21,399 human sitting in a capsule piloting a craft isn't a 264 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,559 twentieth century invention. It's a memory. 265 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,799 Speaker 1: But here's the pushback I have to give. Pucky lived 266 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,440 in the seventh century AD. We know who he was. 267 00:12:29,519 --> 00:12:31,879 He was a king. If this was a depiction of 268 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:34,600 a visitor, why put the king in the pilot seat? 269 00:12:34,799 --> 00:12:35,799 Was Pokey an alien? 270 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:38,799 Speaker 2: That is a major point of debate among the theorists. 271 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:42,240 Some think Pical might have been a hybrid or a 272 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,000 direct descendant of the gods. Others think he was simply 273 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:48,080 the highest priest who had access to the cargo. Maybe 274 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:50,159 he was the only one allowed to sit in the simulator, 275 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:50,440 you know. 276 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: Or maybe it's aspirational, like a kid buried with a 277 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,919 model airplane. He's saying, I am going where the gods went. 278 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,360 I am taking the ship to the stars exactly. 279 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,679 Speaker 2: Fiction is of the ascent. It's an upward journey not 280 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,200 a descentant to death, but a launch into the heavens. 281 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:07,120 It flips the whole narrative on its head. 282 00:13:07,159 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate thrilling thread, isn't it taking a static 283 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:13,799 image and realizing it might be a technical schematic. But 284 00:13:13,879 --> 00:13:16,279 speaking of technical schematics and knowledge, we have to move 285 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,919 to segment three. We are going to Copan in Honduras. 286 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: Copan is magnificent. It is often called the Athens of 287 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,720 the New World because of the sheer density of art 288 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:29,759 and texts. It's incredibly ornate, and here the focus shifts 289 00:13:29,799 --> 00:13:33,000 from the visual of ships to the software, if you will, 290 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,679 the knowledge itself. We are looking at the hieroglyphics stairway. 291 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,919 Speaker 1: Seventy two steps, built in the early seven hundred's eighty 292 00:13:40,759 --> 00:13:44,399 Every single step is covered in carvings. It's basically a 293 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:45,919 history book carved into stone. 294 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,799 Speaker 2: It is the longest Mayan text ever discovered, a massive 295 00:13:49,919 --> 00:13:54,440 public monument. It chronicles the history of thirteen kings, from 296 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:57,720 the founder yaks Kukmo, to the ruler who commissioned it, 297 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,879 Ruler thirteen, also known as eighteen. 298 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: Rabbits eighteen rabbit I just love Mayan names. They're so evocative. 299 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: They are. But for the longest time nobody could read 300 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,799 this stairway. The stones had fallen out of place. It 301 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,759 was a jumble. It was just pretty. 302 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: Pictures until Ernst Forceman came along in eighteen eighty. This 303 00:14:14,279 --> 00:14:17,320 is a great story of intellectual detective work. He wasn't 304 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:19,600 an archaeologist in the field, right, He was a librarian. 305 00:14:19,679 --> 00:14:22,679 Speaker 2: No, he was a librarian in Dresden, Germany. Now you 306 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,840 have to remember the Spanish conquistadors burn almost every Mayan 307 00:14:25,879 --> 00:14:29,399 book they found. Bishop Landa famously burned piles of them, 308 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,039 destroying thousands of years of history in a single act 309 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,919 of cultural vandalism. But four books survived, and one of them, 310 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,919 the Dresden Codex, happened to be sitting in Forstman's library. 311 00:14:39,039 --> 00:14:41,279 Speaker 1: Talk about being in the right place at the right time. Wow. 312 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 2: But it wasn't just luck. Forceman was a brilliant mathematician. 313 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,320 He cracked the code without a Rosetta stone. He realized 314 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,960 the system used both logographs, where a picture equals a 315 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,519 word like a jaguar head means balum, and glyphs, which 316 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:59,039 represents sounds. But more importantly, he cracked the numbers. 317 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:00,879 Speaker 1: The maths back to the map with. 318 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:03,759 Speaker 2: The Maya always he realized the Maya were using a 319 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,000 bigesimal system, Base twenty. We use base ten, they used 320 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:10,720 zero to nineteen. And he realized that their calendar wasn't 321 00:15:10,759 --> 00:15:13,960 just counting days, it was tracking massive cycles of time 322 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:16,080 with terrifying accuracy. 323 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: So he unlocks the library, and what do we find. 324 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:22,399 These kings aren't just bragging about battles. They are claiming 325 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,399 a very specific kind of authority. 326 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 2: They are claiming a connection to the ancestors and the gods. 327 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:31,399 The Cabal of Priests, as Georgio Sucolos puts, it, derived 328 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,080 their power from this contact. 329 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,399 Speaker 1: And the theory here is that this contact wasn't spiritual meditation, 330 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,600 It wasn't just visions. It was literal communication with extraterrestrials. Right. 331 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:45,159 Speaker 2: Suculos argues that the priests were the intermediaries. The common 332 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,919 people didn't understand the nuts and bolts of the technology 333 00:15:47,919 --> 00:15:51,720 they were seeing, so the priests became the gatekeepers. We 334 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:54,480 talked to the guys in the flying ships. You listen 335 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:57,080 to us. It's a way to maintain power. 336 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: It's the ultimate power trip. I had the radio to 337 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:03,200 the Mother's ship. But the proof of this contact, they say, 338 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,559 is in the knowledge they possessed. I mean compare the 339 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,399 Maya to Europe. 340 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:10,399 Speaker 2: At the same time, it is a stark contrast. In 341 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,080 the seven hundreds eighty, Europe is in the so called 342 00:16:13,360 --> 00:16:18,399 Dark Ages. Literacy is rare, science is stagnant. They're bleeding 343 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,840 people to cure illnesses. Meanwhile, the Maya possess advanced trigonometry, 344 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,279 precise architecture, and an understanding of astronomy that is mind boggling. 345 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: They were tracking things that take lifetimes to observe. It's 346 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:31,080 not something one person could just figure out. 347 00:16:31,159 --> 00:16:33,799 Speaker 2: Sean David Morton points this out. They track the procession 348 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:34,639 of the equinoxes. 349 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: Okay, we need to slow down and explain procession because 350 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:39,000 it blows my mind every time I hear about it. Ye, 351 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,080 what exactly is it? 352 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 2: Imagine the Earth is a spinning top, doesn't spin perfectly 353 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,000 straight up and down. It wobbles slightly like a toy 354 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:51,480 top slowing down. That wobble is incredibly slow. It takes 355 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:54,320 about twenty six thousand years for the Earth to complete 356 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,759 one full wobble. 357 00:16:55,879 --> 00:16:57,279 Speaker 1: And how did that look from the ground? How would 358 00:16:57,279 --> 00:16:58,240 you even notice that it. 359 00:16:58,279 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: Changes the background stars? If you look at where the 360 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,160 sun rises on the equinox. The constellation behind it shifts 361 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,440 backwards very very slowly, one degree every seventy. 362 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,279 Speaker 1: Two years, one degree every seventy two years. That is 363 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:14,079 barely noticeable in a human lifetime. You would need to 364 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,279 live for hundreds of years just to notice it moved 365 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:17,640 a tiny bit exactly. 366 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 2: To measure it, you need to record precise data for generations, 367 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:25,160 maintain that data without degradation, and then have the advanced 368 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,799 math to calculate the curve. And yet the Maya knew 369 00:17:27,799 --> 00:17:30,599 the cycle. They knew the Great Year was twenty five, 370 00:17:31,079 --> 00:17:32,640 nine hundred and twenty years long. 371 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,759 Speaker 1: They had it nailed twenty six thousand years. Civilization hasn't 372 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:37,640 even been around that long. How can they know that cycle? 373 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:38,599 It seems impossible. 374 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 2: That is the million dollar question. They knew about the 375 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,519 Great Rift at the center of the Milky Way. We 376 00:17:44,599 --> 00:17:47,519 know it today as a supermassive black hole, the center 377 00:17:47,559 --> 00:17:50,319 of the galaxy. They called it the birth canal of 378 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,000 the universe. 379 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: That sounds poetic, but it's astronomically accurate. It's the center. 380 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:56,039 It's where stars are. 381 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: Born and their calendar, the one everyone talked about ending 382 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,359 in twenty twelve is based on this. The end date 383 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:05,519 of December twenty one, twenty twelve, was when the Earth, 384 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:10,160 the Sun, and this birth canal aligned a cycle completing. 385 00:18:09,839 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: And the ancient astronaut theorists say, you don't figure out 386 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,880 a twenty six thousand year cycle with naked eyes in 387 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,839 the jungle. You don't just guess that, you get told 388 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:19,279 about it. 389 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,079 Speaker 2: Logan Hawks puts it well. He says the Maya claimed 390 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,880 this knowledge was a gift from the gods, not something 391 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,519 they discovered, but something that was given. He has a 392 00:18:27,519 --> 00:18:30,519 great quote. Knowledge is the currency of the universe. 393 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: That's a great line. If you are an advanced civilization 394 00:18:33,519 --> 00:18:35,880 visiting a primitive one, you don't give them money. You 395 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:38,839 don't give them weapons. That's dangerous. You give them math, 396 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,920 You give them the map of the. 397 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,759 Speaker 2: Neighborhood exactly, here's where you live, Here's how the galaxy moves. 398 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:44,440 Good luck. 399 00:18:44,599 --> 00:18:47,400 Speaker 1: But here's where it gets really weird. We're just talking 400 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:52,640 about star charts and space travel and suddenly dinosaurs. This 401 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:53,640 feels like a left turn. 402 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: Segment four. This is a twist most people don't see coming. 403 00:18:56,759 --> 00:18:58,759 It seems completely unrelated at first. 404 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,799 Speaker 1: So we know about the impact. Sixty five million years ago, 405 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,160 a massive rock eight to ten miles wide smacks into 406 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:07,839 the Earth. 407 00:19:07,839 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: With the force of one hundred million megatons of TNT. 408 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,640 It hits the Yucatan Peninsula. The result is catastrophic dust 409 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:19,240 blocks the sun. Plants dye, herbivores dye, carnivores dye. The 410 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:20,440 end of the dinosaurs. 411 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,759 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's ancient history. But here is the thrilling thread. 412 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,720 Chichen Itza, one of the most important Mayan sights, is 413 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:29,839 located exactly near the impact crater. 414 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,319 Speaker 2: It is a strange geographical coincidence. The chick Salub Crater 415 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,440 is buried, but it is there. The main habitation zone 416 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,200 of the Maya sits right on top of the ground 417 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:40,680 zero of the greatest extinction event in Earth's history. 418 00:19:40,759 --> 00:19:43,559 Speaker 1: Is it just a coincidence or did the gods choose 419 00:19:43,559 --> 00:19:45,680 that spot for a reason? Was it a landmark for them? 420 00:19:45,799 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 2: Philip Coppins raises this point. If you are an extraterrestrial 421 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,480 civilization scanning Earth from space, the chick Salub Crater is 422 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,599 the most obvious feature on the planet from a geological perspective. 423 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,039 It's a gravity anomaly. It represents a massive release event. 424 00:20:00,279 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a marker go to the crater. 425 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: Or maybe there's residual energy there that they were interested in. 426 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:09,920 But the weird part is the art. We have found artifacts, 427 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,400 terra cotta figures, paintings at bun Unpack that look suspiciously 428 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:15,319 like dinosaurs. 429 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,559 Speaker 1: I've seen these. They show men fighting these large lizard 430 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:22,000 like creatures. Well, but not snakes, things with legs and 431 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:23,680 long necks, sauropods. 432 00:20:23,839 --> 00:20:27,519 Speaker 2: Mainstream science says this is impossible. Dinosaurs were gone millions 433 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,839 of years before humans evolved. The official explanation is that 434 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,559 it's peridolia seeing what you want to see, or their 435 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:35,279 stylized crocodiles or something. 436 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: But the theory asks did some species survive in the 437 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:41,400 jungles or and this ties back to the gift of knowledge? 438 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:42,920 Did the ets tell them? 439 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,279 Speaker 2: Think about it. If these visitors have been observing Earth 440 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,160 for millions of years, they would know about the dinosaurs. 441 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,920 They would have the historical records. They might have shown 442 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,640 the Maya images or holograms of the great beasts that 443 00:20:55,759 --> 00:20:57,240 used to live right where they were standing. 444 00:20:57,279 --> 00:21:00,599 Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, sixty five million years ago, giant 445 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,200 lizards walked here, and then I go wow and paid 446 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,000 a picture of it. 447 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,079 Speaker 2: It explains the anachronism without requiring humans to live alongside 448 00:21:08,079 --> 00:21:12,119 t Rex's. It is knowledge transfer again, it's historical data 449 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:12,680 being shared. 450 00:21:12,759 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: That is, that's mind bending. It makes the visitors feel 451 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,480 like historians. They're preserving the history of Earth for us. 452 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,599 But we have to keep moving. We are going from 453 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:24,319 the Yucatan up to Central Mexico. Segment five, the origins 454 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,160 of the Aztec and the city of to t. 455 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,279 Speaker 2: Walkin too two walkin the Rome of Mesoamericas. 456 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: This place is huge. I've seen pictures. The scale is 457 00:21:32,039 --> 00:21:33,440 just immense. 458 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: Enormous, eight square miles. Pyramid of the Sun, Pyramid of 459 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,240 the Moon, one hundred thousand residents at its peak. It 460 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:43,000 predates the Aztecs. It was built around the first century AD. 461 00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:46,319 But here is the mystery. No hieroglyphs found. 462 00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: Wait, really, the Maya wrote everything down on stairs. The 463 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,480 du Qua Kanos wrote nothing, nothing. 464 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,599 Speaker 2: That we have found, no writing. We don't know the 465 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:57,599 names of their kings. We don't even know what they 466 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,480 call themselves. Tioto Wakin is the name the Asti gave 467 00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,920 it centuries later. It means city of the gods. 468 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: Because they found it abandoned and thought only gods could 469 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,319 have built. 470 00:22:07,039 --> 00:22:10,079 Speaker 2: It exactly, And the Aztecs have an origin myth that 471 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,480 ties into this. They say they came from Chicomostak, the 472 00:22:13,519 --> 00:22:14,799 place of seven Caves. 473 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,559 Speaker 1: An archaeologist found a cave with seven chambers right into 474 00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:21,279 the pyramid of the Sun. That's too perfect they did. 475 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: It matches the myth perfectly. But the story of how 476 00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:26,079 they emerged is where it gets sci fi. 477 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,279 Speaker 1: Oh, this is my favorite part. 478 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 2: The flint knife recorded by Geronimo the Mendieta, a Spanish friar. 479 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,160 The legend says a giant flint knife crashed from the sky. 480 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,799 It shook the earth, and from this metallic object sixteen 481 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,039 hundred gods emerged. 482 00:22:40,079 --> 00:22:43,279 Speaker 1: Come on a flint knife falling from the sky. That 483 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,720 sounds exactly like a metallic craft landing. It's shiny, it's 484 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,039 sharp edged, it's hard, it's a. 485 00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: Spaceship, and it's huge and beings come out of it. 486 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,839 The Aztec belief is that they were created by these 487 00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:57,920 stranded gods, using bone, ash and blood to serve them. 488 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: So we have a crash landing a crew of sixteen 489 00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:05,039 hundred gods who are stuck here, and they engineer a workforce. 490 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,599 It's a darker story than the friendly teacher theory of Kukulcun. 491 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,839 Speaker 2: It implies a subservient relationship absolutely, but there is physical 492 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:15,400 evidence of something strained in the ground there. In two 493 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,599 thousand and three, archaeologists sent a robot probe to luck 494 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,119 the itc into a tunnel beneath the Temple of the Feathered. 495 00:23:21,799 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: Serpent and they found the golden orbs. I saw this 496 00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:25,480 on the news. It was incredible. 497 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 2: Hundreds of them, yellow metallic looking balls. They were clay 498 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:31,319 cores covered in gold flex pyrite. 499 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: And the walls weren't they special to The. 500 00:23:33,319 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 2: Walls were covered in pyrite as well, Fool's gold. 501 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,759 Speaker 1: So imagine this. You are deep underground, it's pitch black. 502 00:23:39,839 --> 00:23:42,839 You let a torch. Suddenly the walls shimmer like the 503 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,880 night sky, and the floor is covered in these goldie 504 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,240 spheres that look like planets. 505 00:23:47,319 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: It creates a simulation of space, a simulation of the cosmos. 506 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,000 Why create a model of the solar system forty five 507 00:23:53,039 --> 00:23:53,880 feet underground? 508 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: Maybe to remind the stranded gods of home, this is 509 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:57,839 where we came from. 510 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:00,559 Speaker 2: It's a memorial or to teach the initial it's about 511 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:05,000 the universe. David Childress suggests the orbs represent planets. It's 512 00:24:05,039 --> 00:24:07,359 a planetarium in the basement of a pyramid. 513 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,799 Speaker 1: It connects everything, the sky, the underground, the gods, the technology, 514 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:16,000 and this symbol of the feathered serpent quetzel cootal here 515 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,240 kukul Can back at chichen Itza. It's everywhere. 516 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,279 Speaker 2: It is the universal symbol. Segment six takes us to 517 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,400 the global pattern the dragon connection, because. 518 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,839 Speaker 1: A feathered syrupent is basically a dragon, right, I mean 519 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,279 functionally in mythology. 520 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,079 Speaker 2: Yes, it flies, it has scales, it has immense power. 521 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,880 The Dresden Codex even depicts Mars as a dragon like 522 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,480 creature hanging from a skyband. 523 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: Oh, the Maya saw Mars as a dragon. The Aztecs 524 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,119 saw their teacher as a dragon. And then we go 525 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:44,960 to Grease, a totally different part of the. 526 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: World Ubuiah Grease Mount Chee. There are these structures called 527 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:48,519 dragon houses. 528 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:49,759 Speaker 1: Dragon and houses. What are they? 529 00:24:49,839 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 2: Drogofaceta. They are megalithic massive blocks, some weighing ten tons, 530 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:58,920 built at five thousand feet altitude. No mortar does perfectly 531 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,240 fitted stone. 532 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,279 Speaker 1: Who builds with ten ton blocks at the top of 533 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:04,680 a mountain. The logistics of that are insane. 534 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: Legend says they were built by a dragon, or that 535 00:25:07,319 --> 00:25:08,440 Zeus descended there. 536 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: There is that word descended again. The gods always descend. 537 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,519 Speaker 2: And here is the linguistic clue that I love. The 538 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:18,039 ancient Greek word for dragon, dragon doesn't just mean a monster. 539 00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:23,960 It implies to see clearly. It comes from the verb derkomne. 540 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,559 It can refer to a being with superpowers or a 541 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,599 human form with extraordinary vision or ability. 542 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: So in Greece, a dragon is a super being that 543 00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:37,200 descends from the sky and sees everything. In Mexico, a 544 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,160 dragon is a feathered serpent that descends from the sky 545 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,400 and brings knowledge. 546 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,559 Speaker 2: And in both places they build massive, hard to explain 547 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,359 stone structures to mark. 548 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,519 Speaker 1: The spot synthesize this force. What are we looking at? 549 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:49,359 Is it a coincidence? 550 00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: It's hard to believe it is. We are looking at 551 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,799 a worldwide phenomenon. Different cultures, separated by oceans and thousands 552 00:25:55,839 --> 00:25:59,119 of years, witnessing the same technology. They see a craft 553 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,839 descend its maybe it glows, maybe it has a long 554 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,599 tail of exhaust. One culture calls it a dragon, another 555 00:26:05,799 --> 00:26:09,319 calls it a feathered serpent, but the core event, the 556 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,200 descent of a teacher from the stars, is the same. 557 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,799 Speaker 1: It suggests we aren't looking at regional myths. We're looking 558 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:19,960 at eyewitness testimony filtered through different cultural lenses. But they 559 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,440 aren't here anymore, at least not openly. Segment seven asks 560 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:24,680 why did they leave? 561 00:26:25,039 --> 00:26:27,759 Speaker 2: That is the sad part of the story. The pullback 562 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,319 in the myths quetzal Colla leaves, Cocolcon laves why. 563 00:26:32,079 --> 00:26:35,799 Speaker 1: Wars, cataclysms? Did something happen to them children? 564 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:40,279 Speaker 2: Suggests that civilizations collapse. Maybe the alien civilization had its 565 00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,839 own problems back home, or maybe they decided we were 566 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,079 ready to sink or swim on. 567 00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:47,039 Speaker 1: Our own the zoo hypothesis. They set us up, gave 568 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,480 us the seeds of civilization, and now they are watching 569 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,119 from a distance to see if we blow ourselves up 570 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,480 or make it to the stars. 571 00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:55,759 Speaker 2: Exactly. Let's stand back and see what they do. A 572 00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:57,480 non interference directive, if you will. 573 00:26:57,519 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: But we are getting closer to finding out the truth. 574 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:02,400 The technology we have now at our is changing the 575 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,240 game completely. 576 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 2: The light our revolution is huge. It's like X raying 577 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,000 the jungle in twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen alone, we 578 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,119 found so much Mayan artifacts at Tootihuacan, proving a connection there, 579 00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:19,160 cave systems under Chichinitza, and a city the size of 580 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,960 Manhattan found via lightar near lak Petsquaro. 581 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:25,519 Speaker 1: A city the size of Manhattan that we just didn't 582 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:27,720 know was there. How is that even possible? 583 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,519 Speaker 2: It was invisible under the tree canopy. Light ars stripped 584 00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:34,640 the trees away digitally and revealed thousands of structures. We've 585 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,079 been walking over it for centuries. 586 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: Georgiel Tucos has a great analogy for this. He says, 587 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,160 we only have twenty pieces of a one thousand piece puzzle. 588 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,799 Speaker 2: Right, but if you have twenty pieces, or maybe now 589 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,079 we have fifty, you don't need all one thousand to 590 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,880 see the image. The image is forming and Leidar is 591 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,279 giving us the rest of the pieces at an incredible rate. 592 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: The prediction is that we are on the threshold. We 593 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,759 are going to find something, maybe a crash ship, maybe DNA, 594 00:27:55,799 --> 00:27:58,519 maybe a smoking gun artifact that proves this once and 595 00:27:58,559 --> 00:27:58,960 for all. 596 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,519 Speaker 2: It feels like we're getting close. The density of evidence 597 00:28:01,559 --> 00:28:02,640 is increasing every year. 598 00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: So let's wrap this up. We've gone from the shadow 599 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,599 Serpent at Chichinitza to the astronaut king at Polenke. We've 600 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:12,720 looked at the download of astronomical knowledge at Copan, the 601 00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:16,519 weird dinosaur connection at the Crater, the Golden Galaxy underground 602 00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:19,160 at Tituwalkin, and the dragon houses in Greece. 603 00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:22,039 Speaker 2: It is a thread that runs through history and across 604 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,079 the globe. The core takeaway for me is that ancient 605 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,720 texts might be literal history books of contact. We have 606 00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:31,440 been reading them as metaphors, but maybe we should be 607 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,559 reading them as journalism. 608 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,319 Speaker 1: Journalism of the incredible. And here is a final provocative 609 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:39,599 thought for you listening. If Kuku can promise to return, 610 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,759 and if the Mayan calendar is based on these massive 611 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:46,200 celestial alignments, are we currently in the window where that 612 00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:47,079 return is due? 613 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,759 Speaker 2: The cycles repeat, the stars align. If the promise was real, 614 00:28:50,799 --> 00:28:51,680 the clock is sticking. 615 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: That gives me chills. So I want to ask you, 616 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,799 the listener, a direct question. If tomorrow the discoveries at 617 00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:02,400 Tooti Walkin or Polanka are definitively proven to be non 618 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,599 human technology, if the government or the scientists come out 619 00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:08,880 and say yes, this is alien, how would that change 620 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,920 your daily life? Would you be terrified or would you 621 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,720 be relieved to know we aren't alone. 622 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,119 Speaker 2: It's a question worth pondering. What would you do the 623 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:16,680 next morning? 624 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,799 Speaker 1: Leave a comment let us know your stance. We really 625 00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,039 want to hear what you think. Until next time, keep 626 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:21,880 pulling the threads.