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Speaker 1: Since Gilaine Maxwell got arrested, all we have heard is

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how unfair poor Gelaine has been treated. There're psychologists watching

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her every move, she has to wear paper clothes, even

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she's been put on suicide watch, and she's in solitary confinement.

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These are just a few of the complaints we have

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heard from her and her legal team since she's been

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in the clink. Well, all of that stuff a bunch

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of bup GISTs, like we knew it was, And in reality,

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of course, Gelaine Maxwell is going to get favorable treatment.

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Now we find out today that Gelaine Maxwell is the

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first inmate at her facility in six months to get

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a face to face with her lawyer. What all those

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people that have been in jail longer than her don't

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deserve that face to face first. All of these people

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that have been arrested waiting to talk to their legal

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counsel shouldn't be given the same opportunity. Why does Gelaine

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Maxwell get to be the first inmate in this facility

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who gets to see her legal counsel face to face.

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It's absurd, It is absolutely absurd, especially considering the barrage

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of bullshit her legal team was throwing around about her

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being treated unfairly. So you see now right here in

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front of your face, in front of your eyes, how

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it unfolds. Can plain? Can plain? Can plain? Complain? When

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it's obvious the conditions are not what they say they are.

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And in reality we know that eventually Gilaine Maxwell would

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get some favorable treatment. And here we are, so I

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would be pissed if I was a lawyer for one

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of these other inmates, or if I was one of

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these other inmates.

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Speaker 2: I would be furious that this lady, this high society,

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so called member of polite society, gets to see her

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lawyer before I do.

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Speaker 1: What makes her any better than any of those other

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people waiting either to go to prison, to be sentenced

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to prison, or those who have been sentenced, whatever it

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may be. What makes her have the right to see

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her attorneys face to face before them. Our article tonight

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is from the Daily Mail. The author of this article

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is Karen Ruiz. Headline Gilaine Maxwell becomes first federal inmate

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in NYC allowed an in person visit since the pandemic started.

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After the British socialite co conspirator fellow child abuser attorneys

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were spotted arriving at the prison for a four hour meeting.

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And it wasn't like they just came for a quick Hey,

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how you doing get a four hour meeting? And your

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cousin Mike gets to rod Away in the middle of

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the coronavirus pandemic. That's nice, huh? That two tier justice

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system sure is beautiful, isn't it. Two members of Gilane

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Maxwell's legal team were spotted visiting her in prison on Friday,

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making her the first federal inmate in New York City

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to be granted and in person visit since the start

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of the pandemic. Wow, So Gailanne Maxwell gets arrested. It's

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only been in there since July, but all of a

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sudden she skips to the front of the line to

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get her lawyers in there to talk to her. After

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we were just fed that whole line of bullshit about

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how poorly she has been treated. Nobody's buying that, first

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of all. Second of all, she should not be seeing

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her lawyers if other people are not. Here's what I

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said from the beginning, equal treatment for everybody under the law.

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Maxwell fifty eight, has been held at the Metropolitan Detention

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Center in Brooklyn since early July, when she was denied

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bail after pleading not guilty to child sex trafficking charges. Wow,

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you know what, it's not just her facility. She's the

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first inmate in all of New York City, according to

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this article, to be granted and in person visit. Can

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you imagine all of the people that are in jail

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in New York City. Think about that for a minute.

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And she's the first one granted an in person sit

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down with her lawyers. I don't even know what to

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say about that. I mean, these lawyers are going to

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have a field day that their clients were left in

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the dark while Gielen Maxwell was able to get that

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top notch treatment. Must be nice to have a couple

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of bucks. Must be nice to have a few political

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political connections that are still active. Huh. Until today, prisoners

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have not been allowed to meet with their attorneys or

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other visitors in person due to the coronavirus restrictions. Defense

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attorney Christian Everdell Harvard Alum was seen arriving at the

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prison Friday morning alongside another female member of Maxwell's legal team.

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The New York Daily News reported both wore masks as

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they entered the facility. Well that's nice. It's a good

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thing that they wore masks. I mean, you know that

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protects everybody from what's going on now that they have

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their masks on. Well, it's all okay unless you're one

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of the other countless numbers of prisoners in the New

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York detention centers system and rotting away waiting for your

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chance to speak to your lawyers to formulate your defense. Meanwhile,

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you pick up the news, read the news the next day,

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and this is what your family sees. That this monster

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gets to speak to her representation and they don't. Sources

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told the paper it was the first time an inmate

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had received a legal visit since the pandemic started, and

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that the visit lasted nearly four hours. I mean, wow,

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this is a case that has been riddled with privilege

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for the upper crust of society, for the rich, for

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the powerful, and Guilaine Maxwell is still getting dealt those cards.

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She's still getting called to the front of the line.

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How is that even possible? Attorney Shawan Hecker, who has

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filed a lawsuit seeking to grant defense attorneys access to

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their clients again, slammed the visit as absurd and the unjust. Yeah,

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I'll tell you what mister Shawn Hecker, I agree with

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you there, sir, absolutely ridiculous, And like I said before

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I started the article, I'm sure that there are some

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lawyers that are insane over this. If I was a

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lawyer for one of the inmates in New York that

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I've been trying to see my or my client has

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requested to see me and I have not been able

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to do so due to the coronavirus restrictions. And I

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wake up and I find out that Maxwell, of all people,

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gets to go and talk to her legal representation for

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four hours, Yeah, I'd be pretty pissed. Never mind, if

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I was this attorney, Sean Hecker, who had a lawsuit

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already filed seeking to grant the defense attorney's access to

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their clients. So yeah, I'm pretty sure this guy's fired up.

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We've been litigating for the Federal Defenders of New York

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to obtain a safe in person visiting option for many months.

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MDC detainees have been waiting up to six months for

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such visits, and BOP MDC decides that the first such

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visit should go to a wealthy British sociolite. Absurd and unjust,

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he said on Twitter and I just like to say,

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not a socialite. I'd like to say co conspirator and

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you know, child abuser. But besides that, that's a quality

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rant from mister Sean Hecker here, who has a lawsuit

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going because he wants to be able to talk to

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his clients in person. Is that too much to ask?

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I mean, you would think that if you were an

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inmate in one of these jails, that you'd be dying

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at this point to see your legal representation. Imagine being

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in here since the pandemic has started and not being

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able to talk to your lawyer face to face. But

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Elaine Maxwell, well, she shows up and all of a sudden,

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the person who's crying that she's being treated so unjustly

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automatically gets a four hour face to face. The Bureau

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of Prisons refused to confirm whether Maxwell was the first

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inmate to receive an in person visit, but said coronavirus

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protocols remain in place. So wait a minute here, hold on, now,

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you mean to tell me, according to this article anyway,

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that these protocols remain in place, so none of these

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other inmates are going to be able to see their representation.

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After knowing that Gilain Maxwell was able to see hers.

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Is that what you're telling me right now? Is that

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what this article is trying to tell us? Because I

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have to say wow. While in general legal visits are suspended,

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case by case accommodations will be accomplished at the local level,

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and confidential legal calls will be allowed in order to

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ensure inmates maintain access to counsel, a spokesperson told the paper,

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we are facilitating attorney client visitation as well as judicial

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proceedings via video conference, primarily at our detention centers. So

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it's a case by case basis. Who decides the Bureau

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of Prisons? How many other waivers have they granted since

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the pandemic has started. That would be a good place

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for us to start. No, if they haven't granted any

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other waivers, and all of a sudden, Gilain Maxwell gets

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the waiver, Well, what does that tell you? What does

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that say about this fine two tier justice system that

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lords over us? Just more evidence about how corrupt and

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ancient it is. Hecker said he learned Maxwell was the

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first prisoner to be granted access to our legal team

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in person from another source. It is outrageous that the

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first person visit would be granted to a well healed

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British socialite who the President of the United States that

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he wished well. He told s CNBC that the it

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only serves to confirm that our government doesn't understand that

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they operate two different systems of justice, one for the

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well healed and well connected and one for everyone else. Wow.

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This Sean Hecker is my kind of guy. Huh out

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here talking about the two tier justice system and pointing

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out that Glaine Maxwell still is you know, somebody who

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has connections in higher places, right. But the fact of

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the matter is if she's getting these visits and nobody

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else is and there's no other waivers that have been granted,

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the question is why did she get a waiver and

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nobody else has gotten one. It's not like nobody else

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has asked. According to this lawyer, again, he has filed

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a suit because he is not granted access to his clients.

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And we could talk about the you know, the video conferencing,

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and that's definitely a workaround, no doubt. But if Maxwell

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is getting access, then all of the other inmates should

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have the same access, or nobody should have access. Hecker said.

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Officials have been discussing allowing inmates visits from their lawyers again,

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but they are likely to be limited to a one

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hour session from one lawyer. Maxwell, however, was visited by

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two people for over three hours, so again, whatever Maxwell gets,

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the rest of the inmates should get as well. I

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don't understand how they think that something like this is

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just going to be ignored. With all of the spotlight

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that is on this case, you would think that people

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would have all of their ducks in a row and

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would be conducting themselves in a correct and proper fashion.

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If you're again, there is no way that Gilaine Maxwell

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should be getting visits from her lawyers while nobody else does.

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It comes days after the British socialite co conspirator fellow

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child Abus her general all around scumbag, was denied her

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request to be transferred out of solitary confinement after lawyers

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argued she was unable to properly prepare for trial under

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twenty four hour surveillance. So I guess she's going to

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be able to properly prepare now, right, we won't have

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to hear that anymore. On the bright side, her lawyers

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can go and get stuffed now with their stupid ass

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ridiculous comments about how she's being treated so poorly. No,

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she's not being treated poorly. In fact, she's being treated

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like a high profile prisoner should be treated. And from

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what we're reading here, she's getting some special privileges. Even so,

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please save it. She had previously complained about conditions inside

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the jail, where she is to remain until her trial

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next July. Maxwell has been taken off suicide watch earlier

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this month, but is being searched multiple times each day

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and is under constant watch of the guards, her lawyers

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said in a letter protesting about the uniquely onerous conditions

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of her confinement. Her legal team claimed that she has

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been kept under constant surveillance without her consent. Again, you're

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in prison, Okay, jail, I should say, not prison yet,

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that's next. But you're in jail. There is no more

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your consent. Okay, you're part of the menagerie. Now you're

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on display. If they want to watch you twenty four

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hours a day, so be it. If they want to

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scan you with whatever sort of machine they have that

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runs the scan, Hey, guess what you're getting scanned. If

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it's time to take a shower, guess what Gilaane, it's

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time to take a shower, and when it's time for

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you to eat your boloney sandwich for dinner, guess what

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you're gonna eat it, and you're gonna like it. Maxwell

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was arrested on July second on charges that she assisted

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her former boyfriend, co conspirator, fellow child abuser, convicted pedophile

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and late financier Jeffrey Epstein in the sexual abuse of

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miners between nineteen ninety four and nineteen ninety seven and

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lying under oath. She is pleaded not guilty. Look, it's

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a farce that Gilain Maxwell is given any sort of

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special privileges that other inmates are not receiving. I don't

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know how much more clear I can be about that,

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And in fact, I really would like to see where

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this story ends up going. Does this open the floodgates

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for other prisoners now to have one on ones with

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their lawyers? It should, I know, if I was an

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inmate or if I was one of these lawyers, That's

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what I would be pining for. And I think they

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have a good case, right if you bring this before

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a judge, I think a judge would probably side with

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the plaintiff here because it's a legitimate case. If it's

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good for Glaine, why is it not good for Joe Bob?

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And this is just another example of what this case

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has held from the very beginning. We keep seeing instances

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of the very most privileged amongst us getting special, special

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circumstances provided for them, no matter the situation. So next

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time you hear Glaine Maxwell's lawyers crying foul, the next

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time you hear them complaining about her so called terrible

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conditions inside of the jail, just to remember that she

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got a four hour one on one with her lawyers

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while the rest of those inmates were told to rot.

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If you'd like to contact me, you can do that

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at Bobby Kapuchi at ProtonMail dot com. That's b O

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B B Y c A p U C c I

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at ProtonMail dot com. You can also find me on

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Twitter at b O B B Y underscore c A

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p U C c I. All of the links that

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go with the article can be found in the description

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