Speaker 1: He's deprived of Norwich, Connecticut and an adopted son of
Speaker 1: Salt Lake City. After forty years with the Utah Jazz,
Speaker 1: there's no one better to talk some hoops. Richard Smitty
Speaker 1: Smith is back on the drive on ESPN seven hundred.
Speaker 2: Richard Smitty Smith, Thank goodness that you know how to
Speaker 2: actually do real work instead of pretending like this is
Speaker 2: actual swinging the pick in the salt mine.
Speaker 3: How are you feeling today? You just, you know, you
Speaker 3: just said that. It just made me think of what
Speaker 3: about Bob? You know you remember what about Bob? Yeah? Sure, yeah,
Speaker 3: you remember the scene when when Richard Dreyfus is going
Speaker 3: you think he's gone, He's never gone and he opens.
Speaker 2: The door and Maurice, that is such a good movie.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you brought that up. I have a flight tonight.
Speaker 2: I might watch What About Bob on my flight tonight. Now,
Speaker 2: I just want to talk about the best Bill Murray
Speaker 2: movies of all time, but we will not do that.
Speaker 3: How are you feeling today? Feeling good? Yeah? We're doing good. Ben. Hey,
Speaker 3: this is this time of year, whatever it is. I
Speaker 3: guess my body, my brain was ever is uh is
Speaker 3: in a certain flow and a certain certain mindset because
Speaker 3: for years and years and years we would this is
Speaker 3: the week that we would be in the office at
Speaker 3: seven am and leave at midnight every day. And and
Speaker 3: I think I mentioned and a couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 3: I was sitting at home, uh recently and reading in
Speaker 3: the early evenings, and man, it's bright out. The sun's out.
Speaker 3: And then I realized, oh, yeah, it's late spring, early summer.
Speaker 3: And I usually never saw the sun because we're always
Speaker 3: hiding in the theater at the Jazz practice facility, watching
Speaker 3: film twelve hours a day. Yeah, you know, leading up
Speaker 3: to the draft. So but this is this this time
Speaker 3: of year, you just kind of get energized for all
Speaker 3: the stuff that's going on and all the the decisions
Speaker 3: that have made, some of them that are calculated, and
Speaker 3: some of them are on the fly. And that's what
Speaker 3: makes an exciting time.
Speaker 4: So we'll start with the jazz and then we'll pan back.
Speaker 2: Although now in my mind, I'm all I'm thinking about
Speaker 2: is the dinner scene from What About Bob when Bill
Speaker 2: Murray asked for a salt substitute see salt? Is there
Speaker 2: a salt substitute? And he just won't stop making noise.
Speaker 2: How good the chicken is? Oh so good, Man, so good,
Speaker 2: But we will move on. I'm just a big Bill
Speaker 2: Murray guy, all right, So Subitty. One of the things
Speaker 2: I like about having you in studio is you have
Speaker 2: this front office perspective and you can help us understand
Speaker 2: whether or not it means anything that everybody seems to
Speaker 2: be applauding what the Jazz did last night. Now, Ace
Speaker 2: Bailey is eighteen years old, and so he has a
Speaker 2: marathon between now and whatever it looks like when he
Speaker 2: is fully baked.
Speaker 3: But let's start with Ace and then.
Speaker 2: We'll get to Walter Clayton Junior, and then we'll do
Speaker 2: maybe what's next for the Jazz. We talked about it
Speaker 2: last night, but for our listeners who may have missed it,
Speaker 2: you know, at one point during this calendar year, and
Speaker 2: I looked this up prior to the draft, Ace was
Speaker 2: thought to be maybe the second best player on the board.
Speaker 2: Now his teammate Dylan Harper separated himself. So Cooper goes one,
Speaker 2: Dylan goes two, then VJ at three to Philly, and
Speaker 2: then Conkinipleford to Charlotte, and Ace Bailey is there at
Speaker 2: five for the Jazz to select. And all of the
Speaker 2: reports Smitty are literally all of them. If you go
Speaker 2: and read anything from The Athletic or ESPN, if you
Speaker 2: go listen to any of these post draft pods, they're
Speaker 2: all saying the same thing.
Speaker 3: What are they doing?
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be there, But Austin Ain said,
Speaker 2: I don't give a rip. We think he's the best
Speaker 2: player at five. We're taking him at five.
Speaker 3: What do you think? Yeah, well, what happens? Spencer's All
Speaker 3: that stuff is just stuff of the moment that that
Speaker 3: ends up getting swept away and and you know, like
Speaker 3: like the waves and on the beach, it just goes
Speaker 3: away and and and then you move on and the
Speaker 3: kid will come out here, he'll get acclimated, they'll love
Speaker 3: him up, They'll they'll make sure that he's comfortable and
Speaker 3: and he's feeling, you know, wanted and secure and all that,
Speaker 3: which you should. You know, that's that's the kind of
Speaker 3: stuff you want to do when you have an eighteen
Speaker 3: or nineteen year old who is you know, reacclimating to
Speaker 3: a new part next part of their life and a
Speaker 3: new part of the country that they're not familiar with.
Speaker 3: He's a he's a young kid. He's a He's an
Speaker 3: exciting type player. What's gonna be interesting is, uh, is
Speaker 3: how he how he comes into the fold of what
Speaker 3: they're trying to do and what his his mindset is.
Speaker 3: You Know, one of the things I like about him
Speaker 3: is that he really has a versatile game and he
Speaker 3: can really do a lot of different things. He's a
Speaker 3: switchable guy defensively, you know, he can create shots on
Speaker 3: the offense. He's the kind of player the Jazz need
Speaker 3: on their roster, meaning you know, his length, his agility,
Speaker 3: as his athleticism, all those things fit right into the
Speaker 3: box that they need to fill.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: The one thing I've heard about him is that he's
Speaker 3: he's a pretty good team guy and he's he's pretty
Speaker 3: good with his with his teammates and the coaches that
Speaker 3: were at Rutgers, which is which is a positive because
Speaker 3: the stuff I've seen, you know, outside of that in
Speaker 3: interviews and whatnot, in the way just the way he
Speaker 3: carried himself, like last night, you know, during the draft
Speaker 3: and stuff. To me, I got a different vibe off
Speaker 3: that it kind of felt like he was, you know,
Speaker 3: feeling a little bit of his oats. Maybe he thought
Speaker 3: he was bigger than the program, you know, just his
Speaker 3: overall mindset and one of the questions I would have
Speaker 3: going into it. Of course, I'm sure the Jazz looked
Speaker 3: into all these things and you know, dotted the i's
Speaker 3: and crossed the t's on all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: But you know, I hope he's he's a team oriented
Speaker 3: guy and he wants to do what he can do
Speaker 3: to help the group to succeed. If he comes in
Speaker 3: and he's trying to be, you know, a major guy
Speaker 3: right off the bat and wants to be all rookie
Speaker 3: and wants to be you know, make the All Star
Speaker 3: team and all these things or whatever, he's more worried
Speaker 3: about his own game and what he produces on the
Speaker 3: floor for himself, then that would be a concern that
Speaker 3: I would have in terms of having him as part
Speaker 3: of what the group is trying to accomplish. But I'm
Speaker 3: sure the Jazz front office group, you know, look did
Speaker 3: all those things, and they they researched them, and and
Speaker 3: you know, feel comfortable that he was the guy that
Speaker 3: they they wanted to incorporate into into what they're trying
Speaker 3: to build.
Speaker 2: So one of the many roles you've filled over there,
Speaker 2: and You've told so many stories about going to pick
Speaker 2: up Rudy, going to pick up Heyward, going to pick
Speaker 2: up Donovan from the airport, and then try. So let's
Speaker 2: talk logistics for our listeners that would like a peek
Speaker 2: behind the curtain? What what comes next? Phrase? You know,
Speaker 2: does he fly in the salt lake? Who goes and
Speaker 2: gets him? Or what does that look like? Are they
Speaker 2: looking at apartments? Do they take him to the ZBBC
Speaker 2: and say, so, what what what's next? In the process?
Speaker 3: May Yeah, they'll try. They'll try and get him in town,
Speaker 3: whether it's today or tomorrow, they'll uh, they'll have a
Speaker 3: little Sometimes in the past, I don't know if they
Speaker 3: still do it or not. We used to have a little, uh,
Speaker 3: a little meet and greet thing over at the Grand
Speaker 3: America for season ticket holders. Oh cool, so they could
Speaker 3: come over and say hi and meet the new player
Speaker 3: that we had drafted and that kind of thing and
Speaker 3: have them say a few words to the group. I
Speaker 3: remember one year I probably shouldn't story, we're there. He
Speaker 3: took us down, man took me. I remember one time,
Speaker 3: you know, the year we drafted Coasta Koufas from Ohio State.
Speaker 3: It was a similar scenario. They Coasta did not come
Speaker 3: in to work out, We did not interview him. We
Speaker 3: thought he was going to go before us in the draft.
Speaker 3: He only played one year at Ohio State and UH
Speaker 3: and he fell to us, and we we were kind
Speaker 3: of we had him on our board, but we didn't
Speaker 3: We really didn't expect him to be there, so we
Speaker 3: hadn't kind of were in that that mindset. Anyway, we
Speaker 3: ended up taking him because he he we think he's
Speaker 3: the best player. At the time he comes in, we
Speaker 3: do this this little meet and Greek thing. We have
Speaker 3: him on stage, we have a few questions and and
Speaker 3: you know, he's of of a Greek heritage. You know,
Speaker 3: his mother is a u was a middle school principal
Speaker 3: in UH in the Dayton, Ohio area, and that's where
Speaker 3: he grew up. But Coasta is very Greek looking like
Speaker 3: he looks like he just came over from Athens or something. Right,
Speaker 3: And we had a season ticket holding older gentleman, you know,
Speaker 3: might have been in his eighties or something. He was
Speaker 3: excited to come and be part of this thing. And
Speaker 3: and you know, we said, are there any questions, and
Speaker 3: question over here, question over there. Then this gentleman raises
Speaker 3: his hand and and say, yes, sir, you have a
Speaker 3: question for a coaster. He goes, yes, how did you
Speaker 3: learn to speak such good English? And he goes such
Speaker 3: good English? He goes, yes, you know, I'm very fascinated
Speaker 3: with your Greek heritage and that you that you speak
Speaker 3: such clear English. And he he was kind of dumbfounded,
Speaker 3: you know, obviously, and the gentleman, of course, didn't know
Speaker 3: of his background. You know that he grew up in Ohio,
Speaker 3: you know, and uh, and the whole coaster kind of
Speaker 3: did as much as he could to smooth it over
Speaker 3: to say, well, you know, I went to good schools
Speaker 3: and my mom is an educator and in the middle
Speaker 3: school in Ohio, and uh, I went to a very
Speaker 3: good high school and and uhy're Ohio State. And so I'm, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I think it's I think that's part of
Speaker 3: my overall uh, you know, he and he's trying to
Speaker 3: think of away, how do I say this, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that I'm as much of an American as you are,
Speaker 3: like and uh, and so that was funny, you know,
Speaker 3: but you know, but we've had a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of interactions like that over the years, where uh,
Speaker 3: players come in and they try and meet the uh
Speaker 3: the season ticket holder base or maybe the VIP group
Speaker 3: or something like that. I don't know what the Jazz
Speaker 3: have planned in that regard, you know, with these new guys,
Speaker 3: or if they're doing anything in that way, but but
Speaker 3: they'll certainly get them quickly acclimated the next three four,
Speaker 3: five days, because they'll have him in here by the
Speaker 3: middle of next week and getting getting they're group ready
Speaker 3: for a summer league, because the Jazz do their summer
Speaker 3: league here that this year is gonna be up in
Speaker 3: the Huntsman Center because of the renovations at the Delta Center.
Speaker 3: So the Jazz Summer League is gonna be at the
Speaker 3: Huntsman Center the week of right after July fourth, next
Speaker 3: week is so, so they're doing it then and then
Speaker 3: right from there they always go right down to Vegas
Speaker 3: and do the Vegas Summer League. So those guys will
Speaker 3: be getting in uh five, six seven games within like
Speaker 3: a ten day span, you know. So, and and there's
Speaker 3: always there's always variants and and how much guys play
Speaker 3: in the games or how and when they decide they're
Speaker 3: gonna hold them out or they're gonna play them on
Speaker 3: Tuesday and not on Wednesday, or they're only gonna play
Speaker 3: them ten minutes today and twenty minutes tomorrow, and and
Speaker 3: all that stuff gets you know, a little, a little
Speaker 3: goofy in my opinion, because they just try to over
Speaker 3: overwork it and overthink the process. But but they'll those
Speaker 3: guys will be in here quickly in the next several days,
Speaker 3: and they'll be getting acclimated to the group, and Bart
Speaker 3: Taylor and his group and the person outside will be
Speaker 3: finalizing the people that they want to bring in for
Speaker 3: the summer League team. They'll have some of the guys
Speaker 3: from the team last year that will play in the
Speaker 3: Summer League. And then, depending on how the draft goes tonight,
Speaker 3: if they do anything else different, they'll be on the phones.
Speaker 3: As soon as the draft ends tonight, they'll they'll be
Speaker 3: on the phones with agents of guys who didn't get
Speaker 3: drafted to say, Hey, we like your guy and we
Speaker 3: really thought about taking him at fifty three, which youzz
Speaker 3: have tonight. We didn't get take him at fifty three,
Speaker 3: but we really like him enough to want to bring
Speaker 3: him into Summer League and take a close up look
Speaker 3: at him. Can we get him in here? And then
Speaker 3: that's a negotiation thing with the agents. And so the
Speaker 3: agent says, well, I got the Lakers want them, and
Speaker 3: Phoenix wants them, and so let me see, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: And so Bart Taylor and his group are on the
Speaker 3: phone with agents just going down their lists boom boom
Speaker 3: boom the players they want to try and get in
Speaker 3: for the summer league program. And sometimes they get a
Speaker 3: guy for Vegas, but they don't get a guy for
Speaker 3: Salt Lake or vice versa. They say, hey, why don't
Speaker 3: you give him give him to us for the Salt
Speaker 3: Lake games and then have him go play for the
Speaker 3: Lakers in the Vegas games, okay, And and the agent
Speaker 3: will go, yeah, okay, we can do that, you know.
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of you know, jockeying around and
Speaker 3: stuff and and and because it's really not obviously about
Speaker 3: the the games themselves in the two summer leagues, it's
Speaker 3: about getting a chance to see those players on the
Speaker 3: floor against like competition, to be able to see how
Speaker 3: they do and how they fare against that, and then
Speaker 3: you make those kind of judgments and then you go
Speaker 3: from there in terms of possibly inviting non drafted guys
Speaker 3: into your your camp in the fall or even into
Speaker 3: uh other workouts later in the summer open gym type things. Uh,
Speaker 3: we can get more more bites at the apples, so
Speaker 3: to speak, about trying to fill in some holes on
Speaker 3: your roster.
Speaker 2: So before we move over to Walter Clayton Junior, the
Speaker 2: second selection the Jazz made and they gave up.
Speaker 3: What they gave up was not nothing. We'll get to
Speaker 3: that in the moment.
Speaker 2: So the dynamic of the reports that Ace and his
Speaker 2: reps were trying to make sure he landed somewhere back east.
Speaker 2: The two teams were Washington and Brooklyn that are reported
Speaker 2: as where he wanted to land, and just Austin saying,
Speaker 2: I don't care. You know, we're drafting you because we
Speaker 2: think you're the best player. So they've got seven years, right, Seeddie,
Speaker 2: They've got seven years where they can say, Okay, look,
Speaker 2: we know that this wasn't your preferred destination, but we
Speaker 2: think you were the best player available. We think you
Speaker 2: fit in here. You're going to get to know our
Speaker 2: head coach, who we like a lot. You're gonna get
Speaker 2: to know our developmental program. You're going to get to
Speaker 2: know the community. You're going to get to know the
Speaker 2: organization what is that mindset where, Okay, we have seven
Speaker 2: years to sell you on us. You know, if the
Speaker 2: reports are true that this kid does not want to
Speaker 2: be here, and Austin just bucked that and said we're
Speaker 2: doing it anyway, what's the mindset?
Speaker 3: Well, well, that's a very good question, Spence, because uh,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the the the regime now. Uh
Speaker 3: you know the Ryan Smith and and his ownership group,
Speaker 3: and then uh the Angels that are in the front
Speaker 3: office now, and and uh I know Danny. I don't
Speaker 3: know Danny very well, but I know how he operates
Speaker 3: a little bit. And it's it's kind of somewhat similar
Speaker 3: to uh, I think how Jerry Sloan would operate all
Speaker 3: those years, and and that is, Hey, we drafted you.
Speaker 3: You know we we are not going to kiss your
Speaker 3: you know you know what. You know, this is a job.
Speaker 3: This is a profession. So you know, you come in
Speaker 3: and let's go. We're going to work. I don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't care. You don't want to be you know
Speaker 3: you want to be here, you don't want to be here.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter you want to play in the NBA.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's the same as if you're in some
Speaker 3: other corporation. Spence, you go to Harvard NBA school and
Speaker 3: you come out and you you accept a job with uh,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm obeying company. You know your dad was
Speaker 3: with them a long time ago, you know. But that's
Speaker 3: a big firm. He could be working in Boston, or
Speaker 3: they could say, hey, we want you to work in
Speaker 3: the Chicago office now for the next two years, or
Speaker 3: we want you to work in the la office. Whatever
Speaker 3: it is. So the NBA is is a big corporation.
Speaker 3: And when you come into this this company and you
Speaker 3: want to work for this company, then you work where
Speaker 3: the company asks you to go to work. Okay, it's
Speaker 3: it's a simple process. You know, you don't want to
Speaker 3: do that. You can go play in Europe, you can
Speaker 3: go play in Australia. We you know, we have no
Speaker 3: holds on you, you know, but if you want to
Speaker 3: play in the NBA, we're assigning you to the Salt
Speaker 3: Lake office. Is the process? Yeah, And so you know
Speaker 3: it's it's as simple as that. You know. Again, with
Speaker 3: Jerry Sloan, with Kevin O'Connor, with Dennis Lindsay. You know,
Speaker 3: these are all guys who you know are straight up
Speaker 3: guys who would just say, hey, we're all here to
Speaker 3: get the job done the best we can. You know,
Speaker 3: we don't have time for this kind of you know, nonsense,
Speaker 3: whether a guy's feelings are hurt today or you know,
Speaker 3: or you know, whatever it is. So that's one thing
Speaker 3: that I would caution against, you know, whatever is the
Speaker 3: sentiment at the moment. And of course this is not
Speaker 3: even twenty four hours after the draft has taken place,
Speaker 3: and and some of this may be misread as well.
Speaker 3: I don't know. These are all things we hear third
Speaker 3: and fourth hand, So I don't know how to how
Speaker 3: to put any weight on any of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I would just take it one day at a time
Speaker 3: to see how the kid is when he comes in
Speaker 3: and whatnot. You know, but if you know, if he's
Speaker 3: coming in with the right attitude and the right approach,
Speaker 3: this is great. Let's go to work. You know, we
Speaker 3: can get a lot of stuff done. And if there's
Speaker 3: a problem in that regard, then my my impression. And
Speaker 3: again don't know him very well, but you know, Will
Speaker 3: Hardy and Danny Ainge I know really well in that regard.
Speaker 3: You know, the kind of guys that sit a guy
Speaker 3: down and go, Hey says what the deal is. Okay,
Speaker 3: let's go. You know, we don't have time for this
Speaker 3: that kind of thing. It's a job. And in the NBA,
Speaker 3: the way the CBA is, if you draft a guy
Speaker 3: and you like him and he's your guy, you really
Speaker 3: think he can do something and you can develop him
Speaker 3: into something. The Jazz in this case would have control
Speaker 3: over the player for a minimum of seven years based
Speaker 3: on his four year rookie deal and then the restricted
Speaker 3: free agent process after that. If you're having problems with
Speaker 3: the player along the way, he's not working out the
Speaker 3: way you want, you know, he's too much work. You know,
Speaker 3: it's you know, yeah, he's got talent, but his attitude
Speaker 3: is way over here and we can't seem to get
Speaker 3: it in line, and you know, it's too much heavy lifting.
Speaker 3: Then there are things you can do in terms obviously,
Speaker 3: in terms of trades or even you know, letting guys
Speaker 3: go if if you just want to cut your losses
Speaker 3: and move on, you know, I mean, so there's all
Speaker 3: all those things at play. I'm sure that Austin Ainge
Speaker 3: and making this decision, made the decision based on the
Speaker 3: player he thought had the best talent could could add
Speaker 3: the most to the jazz group. And also I'm sure
Speaker 3: that he had he had looked into all the things
Speaker 3: in his background about what kind of guy he is,
Speaker 3: how he was at Rutgers, how the coaches liked him,
Speaker 3: you know what, the what the trainers thought of behind
Speaker 3: the scenes, working with him every day, all those kinds
Speaker 3: of things. And I don't think he would, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: throw a lot of a lot of his or early
Speaker 3: weight if you will, and get it, being new on
Speaker 3: the job to selecting a guy who he thought, really,
Speaker 3: you know, was was going to be wishy washy in
Speaker 3: terms of is this going to work out? In that
Speaker 3: I really think that he would have made the decision
Speaker 3: unless he's pretty confident that, you know this, we can
Speaker 3: make this work.
Speaker 2: Since you brought up Rutgers, let me ask you a
Speaker 2: question here. So, so, the the Big Ten was a
Speaker 2: good not great basketball conference last year. You know, the
Speaker 2: SEC was probably the class, then it was the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: Then we get into the ACC whatever. Michigan State, Maryland, Michigan, Wisconsin,
Speaker 2: Purdue all top fifteen teams, but Rutgers was eight and
Speaker 2: twelve in conference play, they were fifteen and seventeen. Overall,
Speaker 2: they lost to Kennesaw State with two of the top
Speaker 2: really three prospects of the time and ended up two
Speaker 2: of the top five NBA prospects on their roster at
Speaker 2: a time. How do you explain that and is that
Speaker 2: anything that's concerning as you go through your.
Speaker 3: Proceress It definitely is, because you've got two guys who
Speaker 3: were projected when they came into Rutgers of being two
Speaker 3: of the top five picks. As it turned out they
Speaker 3: were in the next NBA draft. And you would think
Speaker 3: that that team, with the very good coach that they
Speaker 3: have there, is going to be able to do very
Speaker 3: well in the Big ten. And they didn't have a
Speaker 3: winning record and their performances were uneven. Both Harper and Bailey,
Speaker 3: you know, played well enough that you know, obviously the
Speaker 3: you know, teams still regarded them very highly in terms
Speaker 3: of potential pro prospects. But they but they they weren't
Speaker 3: consistent all year long. Uh, they didn't they didn't play
Speaker 3: in some of the games that you think, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: they they should have a you know, not easy time,
Speaker 3: but should win this game against an inferior opponent. And
Speaker 3: they had sometimes lackluster performances, maybe because their head wasn't
Speaker 3: in it that night, or they they thought this is
Speaker 3: gonna be a you know whatever. But that plays into
Speaker 3: you know, what kind of mentality they have. What what
Speaker 3: do they bring to the court every night? Uh? Did
Speaker 3: they come to just play? You know at the times
Speaker 3: when they want to play? And when they don't, you know,
Speaker 3: they just kind of shrug it off. Yeah, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: I'm out of here after the year anyway. You know,
Speaker 3: those are things you don't really know, uh, but guys
Speaker 3: behind the scenes would have a feel for that. So
Speaker 3: that's why when you're doing all your your homeworking background,
Speaker 3: you're not just talking to the coaches because a lot
Speaker 3: of times the coaches are gonna sell you a bill
Speaker 3: a bill of goods unless you have a personal relationship
Speaker 3: with with them. If it's just a professional one where
Speaker 3: they know who you are, but you don't really know
Speaker 3: each other on a personal level, they're gonna try and
Speaker 3: sell you on a kid because they're trying to improve
Speaker 3: their program. Right. So the guy from Rutgers today is
Speaker 3: calling prospects, you know that he's recruiting, saying, hey, you
Speaker 3: see you come to Rutgers and you can be one
Speaker 3: of the you know, one of the top five picks
Speaker 3: in the draft, you know that kind of thing. What
Speaker 3: you who you try and talk to, or the people
Speaker 3: behind the scenes, the athletic trainers, maybe the student managers
Speaker 3: who work there who are the same age as the players,
Speaker 3: who might be in the class with the players, who
Speaker 3: can tell you, hey, this is how this guy is
Speaker 3: when he's not in the limelight, when the when the
Speaker 3: spotlight isn't on him. You try and talk to opposing
Speaker 3: coaches who more than likely had recruited those kids who
Speaker 3: now playing against them, but also have a different perspective
Speaker 3: on who they are, not just as players, but also
Speaker 3: as people because they may have been, you know, spending
Speaker 3: a few years trying to recruit them as well. So
Speaker 3: you try and get a hold of those people to see, hey,
Speaker 3: what what's the real deal with this kid? You know,
Speaker 3: and stuff and and a lot of times you get
Speaker 3: a lot more on the on the spot answers when
Speaker 3: you can get to people like that, you know, we
Speaker 3: I know, sometimes we went so far as to having
Speaker 3: some of our staff spend two or three days on
Speaker 3: a college campus, uh, you know, investigating looking at certain
Speaker 3: players and and going around to everybody. They could figure out,
Speaker 3: you know, who that player would have interacted with on
Speaker 3: a regular basis. Was was it the resident advisor who
Speaker 3: lived on their dorm floor with them? Was it was
Speaker 3: it the the the residence hall manager or the director
Speaker 3: who ran the place. Whether it was you know, people
Speaker 3: who were in the the advising department, Uh, someone who
Speaker 3: was you know, one of their teachers, any anybody like
Speaker 3: that that they could give you a feel for who
Speaker 3: they were away from the line, and those things really carry,
Speaker 3: at least with us, they used to carry a lot
Speaker 3: of weight because that told you what the person was
Speaker 3: really like when they were out of the limelight of
Speaker 3: playing basketball.
Speaker 2: Odds for Rookie of the Year winner Cooper Flag one,
Speaker 2: Trade Johnson two, Ace Bailey three. So there you go,
Speaker 2: we'll catch a quick break and coming up next days.
Speaker 2: Bailey not the only player selected by the Jazz last night.
Speaker 2: They moved up to take Walter Clayton Junior, who was
Speaker 2: simply won everywhere he's been.
Speaker 4: Will he win in the NBA? Only time will tell?
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Speaker 3: In the meantime.
Speaker 2: All right, Top Day's Bailey last segment, the newest member
Speaker 2: of the Utah Jazz, number five pick overall out of Rutgers.
Speaker 2: Let's move over to what they elected to do to
Speaker 2: move up three spots. They exchanged twenty one for eighteen,
Speaker 2: and in addition they sent forty three tonight and then
Speaker 2: two other second round picks to just move up three spots.
Speaker 2: So that's not nothing. That feels like a lot to
Speaker 2: move up three spots. However, as you said last night,
Speaker 2: if you think that's the guy, if you think you've
Speaker 2: got the guy, go get the guy, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what you really have to do, Spenser,
Speaker 3: And that's one of the reasons why the Jazz had
Speaker 3: been in this so called asset accumulation mode the last
Speaker 3: couple of years, getting all these draft picks. It's just
Speaker 3: like having money in the bank and you have it
Speaker 3: for a rainy day for when you have an accident
Speaker 3: or something happens and you need extra money on the
Speaker 3: spot to get out of a hole whatever. Uh, this
Speaker 3: is why you have these these assets. And so I'm
Speaker 3: going to make the assumption. And I don't know because
Speaker 3: I'm not in the room, but they that they had
Speaker 3: targeted Walter Clayton as a guy they really liked that
Speaker 3: they thought might get to them at twenty one. What
Speaker 3: you do when you're when you're waiting on your pick,
Speaker 3: when the picks are starting to unfold and you're getting
Speaker 3: to fourteen fifteen sixteen, you're making phone calls to the
Speaker 3: teams either in front of you or the or the
Speaker 3: guys you know around the league that are locked in
Speaker 3: on what's happening on the spot, to see, Hey, who
Speaker 3: who are the guys in front of us gonna take?
Speaker 3: Who are they gonna you know, now, it may be
Speaker 3: someone you're very good friends with. It may be a
Speaker 3: guy that you're really good friends with on another team,
Speaker 3: and you can call them say, hey, dude, who you
Speaker 3: guys taking and we're gonna take the Jones kid Okay, okay, thanks,
Speaker 3: and you know, and then you're you're you're jocking around
Speaker 3: behind the scenes trying to get all your ducks lined up.
Speaker 3: They may have made those calls and in the process
Speaker 3: found out that one of the teams in front of
Speaker 3: them at nineteen or twenty had an interest in Clayton
Speaker 3: or we're going to take him, and so they probably
Speaker 3: and again this is just this is just an assumption
Speaker 3: or a guess on my part that they got to
Speaker 3: that information and they said, we like Clayton enough, we
Speaker 3: got to jump over a couple teams to get to him.
Speaker 3: Otherwise he's not going to get to us. And so
Speaker 3: they made some a couple of quick phone calls and
Speaker 3: they got to Washington that it was at Washington, Washington
Speaker 3: at eighteen and said, hey, you know, are you interested
Speaker 3: in trading back flop it flip flipping eighteen and twenty one?
Speaker 3: And I yeah, maybe, Yeah, what do you got? You know, well,
Speaker 3: we'll get how about we throw it forty three? Yeah
Speaker 3: that's not enough for whatever? Okay, what what do you think,
Speaker 3: and that goes back and forth, and that sometimes is
Speaker 3: literally a thirty or forty second the conversation. You know,
Speaker 3: how about throwing marketing in, We'll take marketing in and yeah,
Speaker 3: we're not doing that, Okay, okay, what about a second
Speaker 3: round pick next year or whatever? And they quickly come
Speaker 3: out come up with something that both sides agree to,
Speaker 3: and they say, okay, we're good. Yeah, we're good. Okay,
Speaker 3: we'll do that, and and the jazz I think we're
Speaker 3: in some kind of measure of that that regard where
Speaker 3: they said we need to get from twenty one to
Speaker 3: eighteen because one of those teams nineteen nineteen or twenty
Speaker 3: either Brooklyn or Miami might take him, and that that
Speaker 3: would be my guess. And so they probably looked at
Speaker 3: it and said, we gotta we gotta get above those
Speaker 3: guys because one of those teams, we've heard or we
Speaker 3: understand like him, and he's not going to get to us, okay.
Speaker 3: And so that's why you do that deal. And if
Speaker 3: you like the kid enough and you think he's a
Speaker 3: guy that you really want to bring into your group,
Speaker 3: and you think it's worth it, that's why you have
Speaker 3: that stuff in the bank. That's literally what five years
Speaker 3: from now, six years from now. That's why you have it,
Speaker 3: because we don't even know if we're going to be
Speaker 3: here five or six years from now. You know, we
Speaker 3: don't care. That's why we have it. If we can
Speaker 3: use that as enticement to get a deal done now
Speaker 3: for something that we're sold on, then that's what we're
Speaker 3: gonna do. And I believe there's some version of that
Speaker 3: that caused that move to be made.
Speaker 2: So the reports were Miami was ready to take Walter
Speaker 2: Clayton Jr. Those were the reports, and I think that
Speaker 2: was an athletic report that I saw laid dive. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I can't cooperate that. I texted pat Riley, he didn't
Speaker 2: get back to me.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So the reports are the jazz word twenty one. They
Speaker 2: very much wanted Walter Clayton Junior. I heard that Miami
Speaker 2: was going to take him. At twenty Miami settled on
Speaker 2: the Yakajonas kid, who was one of the top twelve
Speaker 2: prospects according to most mock drafts and big boards, so
Speaker 2: they probably did pretty well.
Speaker 3: At twenty.
Speaker 2: Brad Stevens was asked about Austin drafting Walter Clayton junior.
Speaker 2: And he said, I could have told you two years
Speaker 2: ago Austin was going to trade up to draft Walter
Speaker 2: Clayton junior. Apparently Austin has liked him for a long
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 3: Okay, well let's see. There you go, and if you're
Speaker 3: in a situation and you look at that draft board
Speaker 3: and you look at all the possibilities and you're trying
Speaker 3: to figure out if we can get to a certain
Speaker 3: guy that we like and where we're drafting, and you know, look,
Speaker 3: we had the same thing with you know, almost a
Speaker 3: decade ago with Donovan Mitchell and Dennis Lindsay really liked
Speaker 3: him and really, you know, really was really you know,
Speaker 3: hung up on trying to get him. And we were
Speaker 3: picking twenty four and we had surmised and figured out, well,
Speaker 3: he's not going to get past fifteen sixteen seven, so
Speaker 3: we have to get above fifteen somehow, And and Dennis
Speaker 3: went to work and we were working the phones and
Speaker 3: finally got you know, got to be able to do
Speaker 3: the trade on the spot at the moment, you know,
Speaker 3: with Tim Conley and the Denver Nuggets at that time,
Speaker 3: you know, again, all those things, you know, might happen
Speaker 3: to a whole bunch differently, Spence, if just somebody makes
Speaker 3: a move in front of you, that's different than what
Speaker 3: you expect. For example, Tim Connley was hoping for Denver
Speaker 3: to get a certain player at thirteen. That player went
Speaker 3: went at ten, so he wasn't able to get the
Speaker 3: player he wanted. So now he was willing to try
Speaker 3: and do go to play and b because the guy
Speaker 3: he was interested in was no longer available. Okay, he
Speaker 3: liked Donovan Mitchell, he didn't think he was quite worth that. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's how everybody does their own evaluations. Dennis gets him
Speaker 3: on the phone. Hey what do you think? He goes, Well,
Speaker 3: we're waiting to see if our guy is still there. Okay,
Speaker 3: can I put you on the hold? Yeah, okay, you know,
Speaker 3: and we're literally on hold for several minutes and then
Speaker 3: get back. You know what do you think? He goes, Yeah,
Speaker 3: our guy just went okay, yeah, what do you what
Speaker 3: are you thinking? And and then and boom boom boom,
Speaker 3: And a deal like that is literally done in less
Speaker 3: than a minute, like on the phone. Uh, you know,
Speaker 3: how about this? How about that? And you know and
Speaker 3: uh and they finally agreed on something the flip flop
Speaker 3: picks and also throwing Trey Lyles, who the Jazz had
Speaker 3: drafted the year before, and uh, and Denvill liked him
Speaker 3: some and we liked him some. We still thought he
Speaker 3: could develop into a decent rotational piece. Uh. But Dennis
Speaker 3: like Donovan Mitchell enough that he thought that was worth,
Speaker 3: you know, the gamble. And Quinn Snyder also was in
Speaker 3: on that at that at that precise moment, you know,
Speaker 3: giving the literally thumbs up from across the table that yeah,
Speaker 3: let's let's uh, let's do that, you know, And so
Speaker 3: you know, that's how Donovan Mitchell Otherwise, Donovan Mitchell goes
Speaker 3: to I don't know, Toronto or Indiana or whatever a
Speaker 3: few picks later, and you know, and history is rewritten.
Speaker 3: But that's that's sometimes how those things come together and
Speaker 3: how quickly they can. They can work in your favor,
Speaker 3: or they can fall apart and not occur because you know,
Speaker 3: you don't get a trade done with Washington because they
Speaker 3: change their mind or you're not offering them enough, so
Speaker 3: they say, now we're just gonna, you know, roll with
Speaker 3: what we got. And then they get to number twenty
Speaker 3: and and what you're saying Miami takes Walter Clayton. We
Speaker 3: missed by one guy, yeah, son of Now now the
Speaker 3: Jazz have to go with another guy. So however that
Speaker 3: would roll. We we had that a lot of years ago.
Speaker 3: You know who it was, you know who involved. It
Speaker 3: was a second round pick and it was forty forty
Speaker 3: two four something like that, and we want we had
Speaker 3: zeroed in on Pat Conon. Okay, and Pat Conton went
Speaker 3: to pick before us to Portland and so and we
Speaker 3: did the old you know, you know, uh, fist on
Speaker 3: the table, slam right there, yeah, yeah, you know, and
Speaker 3: and stuff. So so those things, you know, sometimes can
Speaker 3: happen for you and sometimes they work against you. And
Speaker 3: that's why you you have those boards in place, and
Speaker 3: that's why you have all your contingencies lined up ahead
Speaker 3: of time, so you can just read and react like
Speaker 3: you have to in in in the game of basketball
Speaker 3: and in football whatever, see what's going on and then
Speaker 3: do something different on the spot in order to make
Speaker 3: something work. And that's that's a lot of times what
Speaker 3: happens during the course of the draft. So let's bottom
Speaker 3: line this.
Speaker 2: I do want to do some conversation concerning what the
Speaker 2: rotation could potentially look like. But let's go back to
Speaker 2: Ace firm mom in Ace Bailey. Uh, I know you
Speaker 2: don't love comps. I don't really love comps either, the
Speaker 2: comps that are flying around about Ace.
Speaker 4: Are you hear Michael Porter June? You hear Rishard Lewis uh?
Speaker 3: Top end?
Speaker 2: You know a player like the Tracy McGrady, a wing
Speaker 2: that can really and and look McGrady was, He's a
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. So that's why I don't love the
Speaker 2: comparison game. But just for our listener's frame of reference,
Speaker 2: SMITTI is you've kind of dug in on the tape
Speaker 2: and you've got to know he's Bailey. Let's assume full
Speaker 2: development and he reaches his potential.
Speaker 3: What does that look like in the NBA. Well, he
Speaker 3: has a chance to be a very dynamic player on
Speaker 3: both ends of the floor if his head is right,
Speaker 3: if he comes in and he has that the good
Speaker 3: attitude and he wants to be a better player, if
Speaker 3: he's if he doesn't have the attitude that I'm already
Speaker 3: I'm already there and okay, let's go give me the ball.
Speaker 3: You know, if he's willing to learn, if he's willing
Speaker 3: to work at it. He has the physical tools, uh,
Speaker 3: and the ability to really impact the game on both
Speaker 3: ends of the floor. And so that's that's his upside.
Speaker 3: That's what would be the best case scenario for him
Speaker 3: is if he if he brings those things and brings
Speaker 3: that attitude. The guys you mentioned, by the way, all
Speaker 3: those guys Porter and Lewis and Tracey mcgay. First of all,
Speaker 3: they're all bigger than this kid. So okay, So everybody
Speaker 3: had this kid at Rutgers at six' ten and they
Speaker 3: found out THE nba pre draft camp they measured. Him
Speaker 3: oh he's six seven and a.
Speaker 2: Half just real quick before you, continue can you why
Speaker 2: are we.
Speaker 4: Measuring these prospects without?
Speaker 3: SHOES i don't, know.
Speaker 2: You play basketball wearing. Shoes it's the dumbest thing every, year,
Speaker 2: like oh he's six or five without. Shoes i'm, like,
Speaker 2: okay are we playing? Barefoot In? AFRICA i believe they
Speaker 2: wear basketball shoes when they.
Speaker 3: Play, anyway as you, were we said, That we said
Speaker 3: that for Year. Spence we would argue that with THE nba,
Speaker 3: people and you, know the the argument always came back, was,
Speaker 3: well you, know different guys have different types of shoes
Speaker 3: and some guys have bigger soles than some. Guys well you,
Speaker 3: know you, know you know they have them wear the
Speaker 3: shoes they, wear or you, know have them all wear
Speaker 3: the same. Shoe once you guys get a deal With
Speaker 3: nike and have everybody, measured and you could even promote.
Speaker 3: It you, Know Ace bailey is sixth state and a
Speaker 3: Half Nike Air zoom two's you know or what, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: YEAH i mean BUT i don't know why they do.
Speaker 3: It it's it's the dumbest thing is it's it's it's
Speaker 3: close to this thing we mentioned yesterday about why they
Speaker 3: don't make the trades. Official at the moment teams agree
Speaker 3: to him and they, say, oh you, know you, Know
Speaker 3: utah's taking this, guy but then he's gonna trade him
Speaker 3: later or, whatever and wizards you're actually with the yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly so so what that IS i don't. Know but,
Speaker 3: uh but, Yeah bailey is is shorter than than people.
Speaker 3: Thought so he's gonna play and. Shoes he's gonna play
Speaker 3: basically at six.', nine okay, you know he's got a
Speaker 3: good a. Good wingspan he's going to uh if his
Speaker 3: uh he can play very well defensively because he's a.
Speaker 3: Switchable guy he's got very good agility and very, good
Speaker 3: athleticism so he. Can move so he's gonna be one
Speaker 3: Of those jaden McDaniel. Type. Guys uh he can play
Speaker 3: very well on both ends of. The floor the downside,
Speaker 3: of him if he doesn't reach that area is gonna
Speaker 3: be that his shooting doesn't get. Consistent enough everybody says
Speaker 3: he's a very. Good shooter, you know what he Was
Speaker 3: at rutgers really was more of a. Streak shooter so
Speaker 3: he had games where he either didn't shoot it well
Speaker 3: or didn't. Shoot enough he's not a. Consistent shooter but
Speaker 3: when he had when he's in a rhythm and he's
Speaker 3: in a flow and stuff, like that he can get
Speaker 3: his shut off because he has good mechanics and, he's
Speaker 3: long so he can shoot. Over people his efficiency was not.
Speaker 3: That great his decision making sometimes. Was questionable he's Had
Speaker 3: sometimes he also was very very suspect in his ball
Speaker 3: handling in, tight spaces, you know and so that that
Speaker 3: presented problems, at times and so, you know, but hey
Speaker 3: we take a. Step back. He's eighteen he's got. Some
Speaker 3: skills he's got some natural basketball instincts that are very
Speaker 3: good that are good groundwork and foundation to work. Off
Speaker 3: of now the coaches, get him they get him in,
Speaker 3: the gym they start working, with them they see what
Speaker 3: his aptitude and his appetite is for working hard and
Speaker 3: trying to develop the weaknesses in, his game and that
Speaker 3: will tell us a lot about what kind of player
Speaker 3: he has a chance.
Speaker 2: To become let's move Over To Walter clayton, junior now
Speaker 2: who simply has one everywhere he's been and has improved
Speaker 2: every year he's been.
Speaker 3: In college so back to back.
Speaker 2: State championships in, high school when he Played For rick Patino,
Speaker 2: at iona they Won The Mac Conference Walter Ie mac
Speaker 2: player Of. The year he then transfers to go Play
Speaker 2: For todd golden At the University of florida where they
Speaker 2: win the, national Championship And Walter clayton juniors your final
Speaker 2: four most. Outstanding player there's A little jamal murrayish there
Speaker 2: with his. SHOT making, I mean i was watching some
Speaker 2: stuff last night and. THIS morning i like watching. Him play,
Speaker 2: He's smooth he's like a fun player. To watch he's got.
Speaker 2: Great handles, six two twenty two. Years old the data
Speaker 2: indicates players that are drafted in that range that are
Speaker 2: that age don't. NECESSARILY stick, i mean it's a really
Speaker 2: wild exercise when you just go look at number eighteen picks,
Speaker 2: in history or how many top ten picks are even
Speaker 2: on the team that drafted them from five. Years ago
Speaker 2: like we do this Thing Where austin ainge cracks a mic,
Speaker 2: and says this is our. Dream scenario we got the
Speaker 2: two names we wanted two. Weeks ago we identified these.
Speaker 2: Two names we walked away.
Speaker 3: With that it's kind, of, like.
Speaker 2: Dude it's like the college football coach on National signing
Speaker 2: day that says we got everyone, we wanted and it's
Speaker 2: like you're the sixty seventh. Ranked class no, you didn't
Speaker 2: but you're just saying it to appease the fans or what. Have,
Speaker 2: you so as you've, dug in you've watched him over,
Speaker 2: The years i'll ask you the. Same question fully developed as,
Speaker 2: a pro what does.
Speaker 3: It look Like For walter. Clayton, JUNIOR well i think
Speaker 3: he's a very. Solid PLAYER but i think he's the
Speaker 3: kind of GUY who i like the way his game
Speaker 3: flows because he doesn't get too high too low. During
Speaker 3: games he just kind of plays on an. Even keel
Speaker 3: he's a very good. Shot maker he never seems to
Speaker 3: be out. Of control they never seem to be able
Speaker 3: to rush him and get him. Sped up he seems
Speaker 3: to have control, of himself of. HIS game i don't
Speaker 3: know how much more he has in the tank in terms. Of,
Speaker 3: improvement okay what he brings to the table right now
Speaker 3: is probably, you know enough to get them by uh,
Speaker 3: you know but again at h at, six two, you
Speaker 3: know he's, another, short shorter, should say backcourt guy to
Speaker 3: add to the group That the, jazz have Whether It's
Speaker 3: chante george at, six Three Or colin sexton at six
Speaker 3: two sixty Three Or jordan clarkson at. Six' four they
Speaker 3: have a lot of, smallish type guards uh that are.
Speaker 3: In THEIR group and i just think that there they
Speaker 3: need to somehow, and some regard get bigger guys in
Speaker 3: the backcourt that can help in terms of stopping, the
Speaker 3: ball early because that's been one of their issues as.
Speaker 3: A defensive team they have a very poor defensive team
Speaker 3: the last couple of years, by all metrics uh and
Speaker 3: and and two of the things they they could never
Speaker 3: do is guard the three point because of their lack
Speaker 3: of length on the perimeter and also their transition defense,
Speaker 3: was was horrible and so they. Couldn't stop anybody when
Speaker 3: people would be throwing the ball up over over the,
Speaker 3: mid court line they just they couldn't stop them from
Speaker 3: getting on top. Of the rim so you have to,
Speaker 3: have athletic guys but you have. To have, length that's.
Speaker 3: Something you know the, kind of, thing for example brings
Speaker 3: into mind A Guy, like ace bailey if he's on
Speaker 3: the floor and he's one, of those guys he's the
Speaker 3: guy who can, use his, length his athleticism his agility
Speaker 3: is quickness to be able to get in front and stop.
Speaker 3: Balls and transition that's what you. Want to like They
Speaker 3: must like clayton in terms of his overall ability to,
Speaker 3: be a winner to bring a solid playmaker, on the
Speaker 3: floor someone who, plays within himself someone who makes the
Speaker 3: right plays most. Of the, time because again they use
Speaker 3: the first round pick on a six or two guard,
Speaker 3: who's you know not overly athletic or a dynamic shooter
Speaker 3: or has some skill that's just, off the. Charts you
Speaker 3: know so so they must, really like, something you know
Speaker 3: that they think can help their group in terms, of
Speaker 3: being successful because that's that just adds another short backcourt guy.
Speaker 3: To the group they already have your. Points well taken,
Speaker 3: and you know we'll see how. This plays out and
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 2: The Last thing then i'll set you loose so you
Speaker 2: can Go Watch them ryan KULKBRENNER Tape for us round
Speaker 2: two tonight and maybe catch a little nap before another late.
Speaker 2: Night on air, So, last thing smitty when It comes
Speaker 2: to ace and when It Comes To, walter clayton junior
Speaker 2: how do you think rotationally this is? GOING to, LOOK
Speaker 2: i mean i do feel like There, and AND gordy
Speaker 2: when i asked in, this last night pushed, back, AND
Speaker 2: said no i feel like there's A World Where walter
Speaker 2: clayton junior could take the starting, point guard Job just
Speaker 2: because i'm Not sold On. Keyante OR isaiah and i
Speaker 2: wonder what They Do. With colin sexton Their reports that
Speaker 2: dallas is maybe Inquiring to have colin kind of keep. The,
Speaker 2: Ship aflow, Well kyrie's hurt we'll have to. See what happens,
Speaker 2: and you know when It Comes to ace bailey at
Speaker 2: the age of, eighteen years old does? He start over
Speaker 2: If They bring, john collins back who played well for,
Speaker 2: them last year does He?
Speaker 4: START over, john i mean. Coaches like vets they.
Speaker 2: Don't like rookies so last thing for, this hit rotationally
Speaker 2: what do you expect to see next year from both these.
Speaker 3: Two, YOUNG rookies well i think the way that it's
Speaker 3: going to be depending On how the jazz form their
Speaker 3: roster Between, now IN october because i think there's gonna
Speaker 3: be a potential for a. Lot of changes, you've got,
Speaker 3: to you know to use the off, off quoted phrase
Speaker 3: there's a new. Sheriff, In Town okay austin age is making,
Speaker 3: The decisions now so? Is he one does he believe
Speaker 3: in some of the guys in this group are a
Speaker 3: lot of guys he wants to move on from. Whatever,
Speaker 3: that is obviously those, on unilateral decisions a lot of
Speaker 3: people weigh in on those. Kinds of things but he's the.
Speaker 3: Ultimate decision, maker you know he's gonna look at that
Speaker 3: and he's been looking at it from afar through the eyes,
Speaker 3: of his dad who's been here a, few years now
Speaker 3: and then he comes in and now he's. Part of
Speaker 3: it so he has kind of a unique perspective in
Speaker 3: a couple of ways, in that regard and so he's
Speaker 3: gonna he's gonna reshape the roster and there's nothing. That's
Speaker 3: off Limits, because again spence as, we've said before they
Speaker 3: had the worst record. In the league they were, by
Speaker 3: most metrics the worst defensive team. In the league they,
Speaker 3: can score, okay you know but they have to there's
Speaker 3: a lot of holes they. Have to fill and so
Speaker 3: how these two rookies will, FIT into that i think
Speaker 3: will be determined by who else they bring in, on
Speaker 3: the roster who, they shuffle out who who else they
Speaker 3: bring in either through trades or through free agent signings,
Speaker 3: in the summer whatever they decide to do to, remake
Speaker 3: the roster And then in october will have a better
Speaker 3: feel for what the, roster looks like and then what,
Speaker 3: these two guys what their. Roles WOULD be but I
Speaker 3: would assume bailey would have as an as a number
Speaker 3: five pick and a guy the type of player they
Speaker 3: need badly, on their roster that he would have every
Speaker 3: opportunity to come in and get major, minutes right, away
Speaker 3: you know at. That three spot and Then, this kid,
Speaker 3: clayton you know may be a rotational guy coming. Off
Speaker 3: the bench but also depends who else. Is still there
Speaker 3: it depends on any kinds of Strides That the isaiah
Speaker 3: collier kid takes during the summertime as a as. A
Speaker 3: Point Guard what keante george has done during the summer
Speaker 3: to improve him if either one of those guys is
Speaker 3: still on The, roster Come october but clayton will also
Speaker 3: have an opportunity at some, point to, show you know
Speaker 3: how he can stabilize an offense and how how he
Speaker 3: can contribute, to you know some kind of of sustainable
Speaker 3: performance and. Improvement going, Forward.
Speaker 2: All right, smitty head home get an app grind on
Speaker 2: some second round tape and we will see you in just.
Speaker 3: A few hours you're just you're just grinding away, in the.
Speaker 4: Desert right yeah and you know people think they want to.
Speaker 3: Do this.
Speaker 4: Job it's masonry i'm swinging the pick.
Speaker 3: In THIS solve. MY i know i can see all the,
Speaker 3: SCARS on you.
Speaker 2: I Know, Man All right richard smith who was along
Speaker 2: for the, ride last night and we'll do.
Speaker 4: Round two. Tonight stay tuned