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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the bad signs is that there's so many

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<v Speaker 2>studios right now that are vacant, these big sound stages

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<v Speaker 2>that are not being used for for movie and.

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<v Speaker 3>TV film and TV making anyway, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>A former hotel security guard has testified that Sean Combs

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<v Speaker 2>feared his iconic career would be ruined if the public

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<v Speaker 2>ever saw the video of him beating his girlfriend in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen. That security guard testified today at the sex

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<v Speaker 2>trafficking and racteering trial Eddie Garcia is his name. Sold

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<v Speaker 2>the federal court jury that Combs repeatedly made a comment

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<v Speaker 2>that he was trying to buy what he hoped was

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<v Speaker 2>the only.

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<v Speaker 3>Copy of the video.

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<v Speaker 2>Prosecutors said the persistent effort to hush up the episode

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<v Speaker 2>fit into allegations that he was using threats and money

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<v Speaker 2>and fame to get what he wanted. Of course, he

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<v Speaker 2>has pleaded not guilty to that. Meta has cut a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty year deal to secure nuclear power to help meet

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<v Speaker 2>surging demand for AI and other computing needs at Facebook's

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<v Speaker 2>parent company. The investment with Meta will also expand the

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<v Speaker 2>output of Constellation Energy illinoid nuclear plant. The announcement today

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<v Speaker 2>is just the latest in a string of these tech

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<v Speaker 2>nuclear partnerships. Because AI sucks up so much electricity, they

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<v Speaker 2>got to figure out where they're going to be getting

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<v Speaker 2>it from.

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<v Speaker 3>Reminder that today is Day for Hope.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go to Day for Hope dot org and

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<v Speaker 2>help our friends out at City of Hope for the

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<v Speaker 2>fifth annual Day for Hope when the City of Hope

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<v Speaker 2>community works together to make hope or reality for everybody

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<v Speaker 2>touched by cancer and diabetes. Again Day for Hope dot org. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump is talking once again about his big beautiful bill.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where we begin our swamp watch.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar,

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<v Speaker 3>and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders

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<v Speaker 4>are done.

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<v Speaker 1>The other side never quits what what.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>How you train the.

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<v Speaker 3>Swat, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened

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<v Speaker 3>by what has been.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Americans have always been gone as they're not stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>Whether people voted for you with not swamp watch.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all counter knowing well, the Senate is moving ahead

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<v Speaker 2>this week on the President's one Big Beautiful Bill. There

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<v Speaker 2>is a self imposed deadline that they're working against July fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>The President has reiterated that and said that he would

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<v Speaker 2>love to see it by July fourth as well. The

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<v Speaker 2>problem right now, well the it's not the only problem,

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<v Speaker 2>but a big problem right now that Senate Republicans have

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<v Speaker 2>is a guy named Rand Paul.

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<v Speaker 3>Rand Paul is a fiscal hawk.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't want to see anything when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>raising the debt ceiling. He says it is not conservative.

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<v Speaker 2>He told that to see NBC this morning, and in response,

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has gone after Rand Paul. Not a surprise

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<v Speaker 2>they they don't necessarily agree too much when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to legislative things. What President Trump said on truth social

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<v Speaker 2>is quote. Rand Paul has very little understanding of the

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<v Speaker 2>BBB Big Beautiful Bill, especially the tremendous growth that is coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Rand votes no on everything, but never has any practical

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<v Speaker 2>or constructive ideas. His ideas are actually crazy parentheses, losers.

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<v Speaker 2>The people of Canada, Sorry Canada. The people of Kentucky

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<v Speaker 2>can't stand him. This is a big growth bill now.

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<v Speaker 2>Rand Paul had said he is open to voting for

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<v Speaker 2>the thing. He's not a complete no. He's no right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but not a complete no. But he said he's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to take responsibility for any debt, said that this

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<v Speaker 2>issue will be owned by Republican if it goes through,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says, I think that is a big mistake.

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<v Speaker 2>He said there are enough deficit hawks who can block

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<v Speaker 2>this bill in the Senate. Paul shared a Fox News

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<v Speaker 2>article on Twitter today saying, I want to see the

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<v Speaker 2>tax cuts made permanent, but I also want to see

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<v Speaker 2>the five trillion dollars in new debt removed from the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>At least four of us in the Senate feel this way.

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<v Speaker 2>John Thune, Senate majority leader, had suggested that they do

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<v Speaker 2>have a path to passing that hopefully before July fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>Those were his words. But we'll see exactly where it goes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also something interesting that goes on in this process.

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<v Speaker 2>In order for the Senate to use the reconciliation process

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<v Speaker 2>that would allow a budget, it would pass budget packages

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<v Speaker 2>with a simple majority of votes at fifty instead of

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<v Speaker 2>the usual sixty. It has to follow the Bird Rule

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<v Speaker 2>Robert Byrd, the old Senator Byrd. It bars the Senate

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<v Speaker 2>from including any extraneous provisions in a budget bill. So

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<v Speaker 2>anything in the bill, according to the Bird rule would

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<v Speaker 2>be necessary to implement the underlying budget resolution the Congress

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<v Speaker 2>already passed. If this doesn't, if a policy provision does

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<v Speaker 2>not have an effect on the budget, it cannot be included.

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<v Speaker 2>Even the budget changes that they say are merely incidental

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<v Speaker 2>rule would prohibit Congress from touching Social Security and a

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<v Speaker 2>reconciliation bill. It would prohibit them from increasing the deficit

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<v Speaker 2>related to the budget.

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<v Speaker 3>So we'll see if it actually gets that far.

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<v Speaker 2>The President, meanwhile, is said to be obsessed with a

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<v Speaker 2>phone call with President Shi. He seems to think Trump

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<v Speaker 2>does that a call with China's president Shi Jinping is

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<v Speaker 2>going to help reset whatever trade war has been brewing

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<v Speaker 3>Last six or eight weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if that conversation does happen this week, and the

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<v Speaker 2>White House has said that they wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>They said it's likely.

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<v Speaker 2>To happen, but it's still doubtful that this would be

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<v Speaker 2>anything close to the breakthrough that President Trump has has

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<v Speaker 2>been hoping for the United States is trying to pressure

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<v Speaker 2>China to basically reorder the entire top to bottom trade

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<v Speaker 2>relationship that we have with that country, which is, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, six hundred billion dollars worth of business.

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<v Speaker 2>Both ways, they don't want to do lasting political damage

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<v Speaker 2>at home. Clearly President Trump doesn't want to hang this

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<v Speaker 2>and it does question what exactly is the endgame here?

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of puts that question back at the forefront. What

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<v Speaker 2>does Trump have planned at the end of all of this,

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<v Speaker 2>because this looks like every twist in turn is just

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<v Speaker 2>a larger game of chicken is kind of what we're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for. So one former Trump official that says they're

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<v Speaker 2>close to the White House told Politico Trump feels like

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<v Speaker 2>a call between the principles she and Trump is a

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<v Speaker 2>way to cut through a lot of the noise and

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<v Speaker 2>get right to the heart of the matter. They have

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<v Speaker 2>spoken before I mentioned yesterday, they spoke in January before

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<v Speaker 2>call between the two when he is as president for

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<v Speaker 2>call if in fact it gets to that point. The

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<v Speaker 2>sidelight in all of this is that Trump has been

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<v Speaker 2>name dropped in the ongoing discussions between Kiev and Moscow

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<v Speaker 2>president wants a four leader summit to end the war

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<v Speaker 2>in Ukraine in Russia by inviting Zelenski, putin Airdowan, the

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<v Speaker 2>president of Turkey, and President Trump to the table. But

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<v Speaker 2>at this point none of the other three sides have

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<v Speaker 2>said that they expect Trump to be there, and Trump

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<v Speaker 2>hasn't said anything. There was a White House news conference

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<v Speaker 2>a short time ago. They didn't really mention it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>The studio space that exists in southern California, La Burbank

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<v Speaker 2>Century City places like that, a lot of those sound

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<v Speaker 2>stages are going unused, and the percentage of unused sound

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<v Speaker 2>stages would surprise you. We're going to be talking with

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<v Speaker 2>Elaine Lowe from the Ankler in just a few minutes

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<v Speaker 2>about what that means going forward for the business, the

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<v Speaker 2>business in southern California.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty, and we.

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<v Speaker 2>Talk about TV and movies and everything that you're catching

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<v Speaker 2>on your couch or at a movie theater or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>it is that you happen to be loving. And we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about it because that is the business of this town,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically here in Burbank, but obviously in production studios across

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<v Speaker 2>this city and across the county is where the vast

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<v Speaker 2>majority of TV and movies are created in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've repeatedly talked about the industry itself struggling. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the indicators of that is studio space, soundstage for

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<v Speaker 2>film and TV production and whether or not they're busy.

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<v Speaker 2>And I ran into this article on vankler dot com

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<v Speaker 2>a n k L E. R Ankler dot com by

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<v Speaker 2>Elain Low and it says that the current state of

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<v Speaker 2>our sound stages in LA kind of remind us of

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<v Speaker 2>the failure of retail malls throughout.

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<v Speaker 3>The country over the last few decades.

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<v Speaker 2>And Elaine is joining us now writer and host for

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<v Speaker 2>the Ankler one of the top business publications on substack

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<v Speaker 2>taking time for us this morning, Elaine, First, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for carving out some time in your day for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for having me really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I read with great interest this piece on the

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<v Speaker 2>state of where we are in terms of sound stages.

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<v Speaker 2>So why don't you just kind of put it in

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<v Speaker 2>a nutshell for us in terms of the square footage

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<v Speaker 2>that exists for production in this town, it's not being

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<v Speaker 2>utilized right now.

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<v Speaker 1>No, there's something like two point eight million square feet

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<v Speaker 1>of studio space. You have the largest operators, which are

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you count all of their stages together,

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<v Speaker 1>you have Warner Brothers, which is thirty six stages, Universal

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<v Speaker 1>which has thirty, Sony has eighteen, Paramount has twenty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you look at Radford Studio Center Twentieth Century Studios,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, both known as the Fox Lot. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of sound stage space in LA And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when we talk about sound stages, we're talking about things

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<v Speaker 1>like Gray's Anatomy, things that are you know, inside when

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<v Speaker 1>they're in a room, you know, sitcoms, game shows, not

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<v Speaker 1>We're not talking about on location like when you see

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<v Speaker 1>a shot out on a street or outdoors. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is a good barometer for how much production is happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And the numbers are pretty stark when you look at

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<v Speaker 1>Film LA's figures, and that's the official La County Film Office.

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<v Speaker 1>The numbers in twenty sixteen, when things were humming along,

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<v Speaker 1>soundstage space was at a high ninety six percent, and

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<v Speaker 1>then obviously that figure dipped during the pandemic when all

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<v Speaker 1>of production was halted for some time, but then it

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<v Speaker 1>bounced back and around you know, twenty twenty two or so,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you were looking at at about ninety percent

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<v Speaker 1>occupancy again, and that was during the peak of peak TV,

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<v Speaker 1>right when there were six hundred scripted TV shows on

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<v Speaker 1>the air. But that number has come back down again

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<v Speaker 1>after the WGA and STAG strikes of twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>amid a broader industry wide contraction where they've all just

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<v Speaker 1>been pulling back on their budgets and the number of

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<v Speaker 1>TV series that they're producing and the complements of those

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<v Speaker 1>From the union's perspective, It's look streaming has so severely

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot of perhaps misplaced optimism going into twenty

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<v Speaker 1>production though, but it's still kind of notable to see

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the strikes. A lot of people would point

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<v Speaker 1>to the tax incentive issue, the fact that there are

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<v Speaker 1>California and outside of the country. You know, it's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>If that was that's an amazing The idea of taking

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I mean a lot of game shows film

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<v Speaker 1>out in Ireland. It's it's wild and I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>many people, you know, know that the average American viewer

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<v Speaker 1>and they're watching a show like The Floor or something.

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<v Speaker 2>that'd make a big difference. Elaine, could you could you

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking with Elaine Lowe, writer for The Ankler. You

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<v Speaker 2>stages and stage occupancy down to sixty three percent in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, down even from the year that they

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<v Speaker 3>And I wanted to ask you, Elane.

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned that obviously a lot of production has gone

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<v Speaker 2>to places like British Columbia, Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee is

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<v Speaker 2>now getting into this game as well. What are they

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<v Speaker 2>doing right that either California or La County specifically is

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless of who I talk to, it always comes back

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<v Speaker 1>to the tax and Senates and the tax credit and

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<v Speaker 1>California lawmakers are looking at potentially, you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>right now. But some people say that doesn't even go

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<v Speaker 1>the intricacies of it just aren't as appealing as other

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't apply to above the line salaries like you know, actors,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, non scripted you know, we were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about game shows like The Floor, you know, anything that's

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<v Speaker 1>a non scripted reality show, game show, documentary, those are

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<v Speaker 1>all not even eligible for the tax incentive right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's an entire part of the industry, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of that. And you know there's a huge stay in

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<v Speaker 1>to southern California. But again, it all just comes back

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<v Speaker 2>Outside of AI, which brings with it its own set

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<v Speaker 2>of problems for actors and writers, et cetera. Will will

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<v Speaker 2>technology make these sound stages obsolete? At least the way

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<v Speaker 1>These are pretty old sound stages. A lot of them,

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<v Speaker 1>but a number of them are being outfitted for virtual production.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, when you have like a giant led wall,

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<v Speaker 1>talked at some folks who are optimistic about repurposing sound stages,

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<v Speaker 1>you know outside of TV and film use. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're they're being leased out for like commercial usage or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, but in order to actually keep production here.

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<v Speaker 1>With just a green screen. And I said, well, doesn't this,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, disincentivize as somebody coming to a traditional sound

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I really hope that this actually creates more opportunities.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you divvy up a traditional sound stage,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, put up some green paint or a green screen,

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<v Speaker 1>and then maybe you can actually have more occupants in

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<v Speaker 1>with that's rigged up with all the lights and acoustics

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. You know, so people are trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>creative with alternate usage. But you know, episodic TV, which

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also curious, I don't know if you saw this

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<v Speaker 2>produce up there. Do you think that's a trend that

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<v Speaker 2>we might see as some of these people saying, some

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<v Speaker 1>We've certainly seen that from high profile showrunners and producers

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<v Speaker 1>and on screen talent, but it's a very small part

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, to be able to say, you know, no,

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<v Speaker 1>something that a lot of people would like to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to have the power to do. Especially again, there's

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<v Speaker 2>I know you've been writing on TV for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you watch? What's your favorite show right now?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, what am I watching? Just finished watching the four

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<v Speaker 1>the season two with Squid Game. I know season three

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta get caught up, caught up.

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's too much TV out there. Well there's

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<v Speaker 1>not too much, but well there's a lot of shows

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<v Speaker 3>And it's funny that you mentioned that.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that in your piece you mentioned that peak

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<v Speaker 2>TV probably was twenty twenty two when you said what

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<v Speaker 2>six hundred scripted television shows the.

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<v Speaker 1>TV series were on the air. I mean a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people call that a bubble. You know, we're unlikely

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<v Speaker 1>to see that level of TV again because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there are only so many hours in the day.

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<v Speaker 2>But we've broken away from I feel like we've broken

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<v Speaker 2>away from the usual, you know, pre you know, season

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<v Speaker 2>premieres in the end of September. Obviously they're still available,

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<v Speaker 2>but now it seems like every.

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<v Speaker 1>Three year around the industry.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, my couch loves it as well, because because it

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<v Speaker 2>gets it gets a lot of good use. All Right, Elaine,

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<v Speaker 2>what a wonderful conversation. Thanks for taking time for us.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd love to have you back on because we know

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<v Speaker 2>that this, this business of show business is UH is

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<v Speaker 2>top of mind for so many people here in southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, thank you so much for having me on.

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<v Speaker 2>You bet Elaine Lowe, writer for The Ankler. She also

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<v Speaker 2>hosts the podcast at The Ankler. So go to The

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<v Speaker 2>Ankler t h e A n k l e R

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<v Speaker 2>Theankler dot com uh and find that podcast and listen

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<v Speaker 2>to her talk with a bunch of these industry head honchos,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Yeah, I mentioned and I was gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>this a little bit earlier in the show, but Zach Braff.

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<v Speaker 2>If you hadn't seen, he was the doctor in Scrubs.

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<v Speaker 2>think ted Lasso for a couple He did some shrinking episodes,

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<v Speaker 2>but he signed on to reprise his role for the

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<v Speaker 2>Scrubs is still in development, but no filming location has

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<v Speaker 2>been announced. So good to see that somebody like that

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<v Speaker 2>can throw their weight around and make a difference. When

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<v Speaker 2>we come back, they're trying to hook your kids again.

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<v Speaker 2>Not drugs, not vapes, skincare. We'll talk about these sephoric

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<v Speaker 2>kids in this new investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.

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<v Speaker 4>AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Told you also about the Sean Didty Combs trial. A

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<v Speaker 2>former hotel security guard testified the Combs feared that his

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<v Speaker 2>career would be ruined if the public ever saw the

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<v Speaker 2>video of him beating up Cassie Ventura in twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Security guard testified that his name is Eddie. Garcia testified

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<v Speaker 2>that Combs allegedly made the comment repeatedly while he's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to buy what he hoped was the only copy of

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<v Speaker 2>that video. Of course, we all know the video did

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<v Speaker 2>eventually get leaked to CNN, and that led to the

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<v Speaker 2>eventual downfall of.

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<v Speaker 3>Sean Divvy Combs.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see if he gets convicted of racketeering and sex trafficking.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a bill making its way through Sacramento that

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<v Speaker 2>would try to cut back on a number of skincare

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<v Speaker 2>products sold to tweens. Skincare products then you'd think, you're

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<v Speaker 2>You know, skincare products themselves aren't necessarily bad, but if

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<v Speaker 2>you get into some of the chemicals and the compounds

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<v Speaker 2>that exist in say anti aging ingredients, those can be

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<v Speaker 2>harmful to young skin. It's they call this the Sephora

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<v Speaker 2>Kid's trend, although it wasn't Sephora that started it, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's this trend of cosmetic stores that will sell viral

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<v Speaker 2>skin care brands. Think of your kids watching all of

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<v Speaker 2>these different ads, makeup tutorials or whatever on TikTok, Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. And then they go to the stores to

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<v Speaker 2>go buy those products, and there is a concern that

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<v Speaker 2>some of those products could actually be very, very detrimental

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<v Speaker 2>to the healthcare or to the care of your kid's skin.

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<v Speaker 2>Most shoppers wouldn't know simply by looking at the shelf

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<v Speaker 2>or even the fine print on some of these packages

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<v Speaker 2>that they're potentially dangerous because just like we saw in

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<v Speaker 2>the tobacco industry, when they made the flip to go

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<v Speaker 2>after kids who wanted to vape or who could get

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<v Speaker 2>into vaping, they did the fruit flavors and the rainbow

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<v Speaker 2>unicorn farts, and the brightly colored packaging and the fruit

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<v Speaker 2>shapes on all of this stuff, Strawberry smooth, the baby Facial.

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<v Speaker 2>The CEO of Sephora says that they do not market

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<v Speaker 2>to kids. They said it's incumbent upon them to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that they're talking to the right audience at the

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<v Speaker 2>right time about the right thing, because the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is if the product doesn't do anything, the kid's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to come back and buy it. But they did

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<v Speaker 2>say there are promotions on Instagram for things like Sephora Barbie,

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<v Speaker 2>and there are Sephora stickers that you can get and

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<v Speaker 2>cartoons on Sephora. There are other popular brands. One of

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<v Speaker 2>them is drunk Elephant posted a list on its social

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<v Speaker 2>media with products that it says are safe for kids,

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<v Speaker 2>and then another list of products that they should avoid

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<v Speaker 2>in their online FAQs under the younger fan section. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you're just looking at the packaging, you would never

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<v Speaker 2>be able to tell the difference. So this bill that's

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<v Speaker 2>being written that's being worked on right now, Democratic Assembly

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<v Speaker 2>Member Alex Lee wants to target the industry that he

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<v Speaker 2>says is cashing in on this craze. Bill seven eight

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<v Speaker 2>AB seven twenty eight would trigger an age verification flag

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<v Speaker 2>at the register if a clerk scans something that's got

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<v Speaker 2>anti aging products with certain ingredients in it, things like retinol,

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<v Speaker 2>things like the harsher acids that can.

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<v Speaker 3>Be found in some of these things.

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<v Speaker 2>And you kid, if you, if you were a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd need someone over eighteen in order to buy the

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<v Speaker 2>product in the store. There would be a pop up

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<v Speaker 2>similar to this one for vapes when you purchase the

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<v Speaker 2>products online, and with that warning, does it make a difference, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>it hasn't when it comes to the vape industry. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the opponents of this bill, include the skincare industry, dermatologists.

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<v Speaker 3>They say that this thing is misguided.

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<v Speaker 2>They said the blame should actually lie strictly with social media,

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<v Speaker 2>not the skincare industry. The age restrictions, they say, would

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<v Speaker 2>be too difficult to implement, which it's all it does

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<v Speaker 2>is trigger an age verification flag. Does that mean that

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<v Speaker 2>the store is going to be on the hook for

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<v Speaker 2>the execution of that? Are they going to do it

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<v Speaker 2>on a regular basis? CBS did a whole look into this.

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<v Speaker 2>The Personal Care Product Council represents the skincare industry. They

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<v Speaker 2>said that they spent thousands of dollars targeting lawmakers with

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<v Speaker 2>misleading ads that claim that the bill would require an

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<v Speaker 2>ID to buy cosmetics, which is not the same thing

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<v Speaker 2>as suggesting that someone who's eighteen has to be there

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<v Speaker 2>with you. And again, you you can write this bill

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<v Speaker 2>so that this little flag pops up on the screen

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<v Speaker 2>or there's a warning, or you got to check the

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<v Speaker 2>idea or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>But how many times have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Seen a retail checker just ignore that or X out

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<v Speaker 2>of it or say that they did look when they

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<v Speaker 2>never checked the ID. The problems I think is when

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<v Speaker 2>you get into the specifics of retinol or acids or

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<v Speaker 2>anything like that gets that specifically targets children. There are

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<v Speaker 2>the concerns that parents are going to be involved with

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<v Speaker 2>all of this, or should be more involved with all

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<v Speaker 2>of this. The director of Pediatric Dermatology U See Davis

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<v Speaker 2>the Healthcare Center said younger kids appear to be the

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<v Speaker 2>target audience for a lot of these viral skin care

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<v Speaker 2>products and that she has seen the adverse reactions firsthand.

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<v Speaker 3>The peeling of the skin.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of these things will remove the layer of

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<v Speaker 2>kid's skin that can be painful, rashes, you could get sunburn.

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<v Speaker 2>She does prescribe retinoids for acne treatment, but basically it's

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<v Speaker 2>over the counter and typically used in anti aging products.

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<v Speaker 2>If a twelve year old has acne that needs medical treatment,

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<v Speaker 2>they should do it through a dermatists, through an actual doctor,

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<v Speaker 2>not just going to the store and picking it up.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's the other side of that. All right.

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<v Speaker 2>Up next trending stories, we'll talk about what's better movie

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<v Speaker 2>theaters or streaming from your couch and a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>true crime Tuesday stories to wet your whistle. You've been

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<v Speaker 2>listening to the Gary and Shannon Show, you can always

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