Speaker 1: Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us.
Speaker 2: I'm and I'm Stephen, and this is a podcast all
Speaker 2: about the weird and wonderful world of the dark comedy
Speaker 2: anthology series Inside number nine.
Speaker 1: On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of
Speaker 1: Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheresmith's twisted tales, putting it under
Speaker 1: a lens and examining it within an inch of its life.
Speaker 2: So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and
Speaker 2: join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome back.
Speaker 2: How are you doing okay?
Speaker 1: How are you doing good?
Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: Shall we reveal our hair from last week?
Speaker 2: Our hairs? Oh? Yes, So for anyone that wasn't aware,
Speaker 2: oh did we say? Actually no, we did say in
Speaker 2: the episode, din't we there were three hairs last week, yes,
Speaker 2: spread across the different scenes. So we included our hair
Speaker 2: three times throughout the episode.
Speaker 1: We did? That was your idea? Very clever?
Speaker 2: I hopefull it wasn't too blindingly obviously.
Speaker 1: Should we have a listen to all three of them?
Speaker 2: Go for it? Where do we start? I guess with
Speaker 2: the bill video?
Speaker 1: So do we need to send any more about the
Speaker 1: bill section at this point.
Speaker 2: I guess the bill video at the start could have
Speaker 2: been something she was watching.
Speaker 1: There we go the bill in case you didn't notice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well then if you spotted that, Yeah, all them
Speaker 2: and we will try and smuggle another one in this week.
Speaker 1: Yes, So what are we discussing this week?
Speaker 2: Episode six of series five, The Stakeout. The summary from
Speaker 2: the inside of a nine Wiki is two police officers
Speaker 2: have time to get to know each other on the
Speaker 2: night shift, but PC Thompson's previous partner died in a
Speaker 2: brutal attack less than a month ago, the forensics have
Speaker 2: gone missing, and PC Varney is beginning to ask a
Speaker 2: lot of awkward questions. I love this episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. It is a great one, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Is it possibly one of my favorites? Yeah, which I
Speaker 2: didn't think it probably would be on the face of it,
Speaker 2: in that it's quite a character drive one, like it's
Speaker 2: most of them just chatting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not really you.
Speaker 2: No, it's not normally me. But then the end makes
Speaker 2: up for it. So maybe maybe if it hadn't got
Speaker 2: the end, it wouldn't trick.
Speaker 1: But before we get into it, I just want to
Speaker 1: point out that, as I mentioned, or we did our
Speaker 1: stage right episode. This was written as a replacement for
Speaker 1: a House Divided, Yes, the one which is going to
Speaker 1: be set in the theater, which was they were told
Speaker 1: was too expensive, so they were told they had to
Speaker 1: write a really cheap one, so they just wrote, yeah,
Speaker 1: two people in a car.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know whether they've muddeled stories together, but
Speaker 2: I was reading about this and they came up with
Speaker 2: an entirely different reason. So apparently this episode originally was
Speaker 2: a musical, not this episode, but the episode.
Speaker 1: That would have been interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that works, But the episode that would have been
Speaker 2: in this slot was originally a musical, and they were told, like,
Speaker 2: you have no money for that, come up with something else,
Speaker 2: and they came up with this, So I don't know
Speaker 2: whether they're okay, yeah, mixing two different stop. Maybe maybe
Speaker 2: the House Divided was this one of the musical was
Speaker 2: a difer one, not vice versa.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they've just forgotten themselves now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they've written that little little booklety type
Speaker 2: thing of the script like what five years later, so
Speaker 2: maybe they've mis misattributed it. Yeah, but either way, apparently
Speaker 2: it was one of two different episodes at least.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, deliberately written as something cheap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although they say it was cheap, apparently ended up
Speaker 2: being quite expensive because of all the lighting that they needed.
Speaker 1: The intention was cheap, but I was listening to the
Speaker 1: official podcast and they had their producer on as a guest,
Speaker 1: and right, I feel you could just tell, like whether
Speaker 1: Reese was playing up to it for the podcast or
Speaker 1: if he was really like there was tension between them.
Speaker 1: It was just quite amusing. He was just like, well,
Speaker 1: you said you wanted something cheap, and then you just
Speaker 1: threw loads of money at it and made it so expensive.
Speaker 2: We just gave you two guys in a car, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but they needed several cars, and they needed lighting, and
Speaker 2: they needed all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it spiraled apparently. This is yet another one that
Speaker 2: I don't quite know how we discussed without.
Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, I don't think we
Speaker 1: can think.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think we can.
Speaker 1: Obviously, if you're listening to this, you know, but.
Speaker 2: Please stop if you haven't, because because it's such a
Speaker 2: good one, please go.
Speaker 1: It's a really good twist. Okay, we're giving you time
Speaker 1: to stop playing it and go. Okay, now, those weird
Speaker 1: people have gone. We can say what we all know, but.
Speaker 2: They were on mars.
Speaker 1: Reese's character is a vampire.
Speaker 2: Secret vampire story. Yeah, it's so good and it's so
Speaker 2: left field.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you first time you watched it? Did you
Speaker 1: guess at all?
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, I don't think I guess
Speaker 2: until right up, like as he's on the back seat
Speaker 2: saying is yeah five tropes thing like I got it immediately.
Speaker 2: Then oh, yeah, this is another one. I've not said
Speaker 2: this for a while, but this is another one that
Speaker 2: I showed to people a lot as an episode to
Speaker 2: get them into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine that, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think people tend to spot it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, isn't it, because obviously watching it when
Speaker 1: you know it seems so obvious.
Speaker 2: So obvious, even the episode title, like everything about it
Speaker 2: is screaming it, but you think you're watching an entirely
Speaker 2: different story exactly.
Speaker 1: I was going to say as well, I wanted to
Speaker 1: compare this episode to probably an episode you didn't expect
Speaker 1: me to compare it to, which is Nana's Party, Okay,
Speaker 1: because of the way that they show you the end
Speaker 1: at the beginning. Yeah, and then you draw your own
Speaker 1: conclusions erroneously, and then you spend the whole thing thinking
Speaker 1: it's going to build up to how they got to
Speaker 1: that point, and then actually it's completely different to what
Speaker 1: you expect. And I quite like that as a device.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I think about it. They do quite a
Speaker 2: lot of do it quite a lot of times where
Speaker 2: they let effectively have an entirely different story that isn't
Speaker 2: really the story, like deadline, like stage fight in a way,
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot that they do it quite a
Speaker 2: few different times where they'll have a fake story that
Speaker 2: then just sort of crumbles at the end and is
Speaker 2: actually to mask the real story. Yeah, but I think
Speaker 2: this is probably the one that sticks to it the longest.
Speaker 2: M Like, you don't know until about the last three
Speaker 2: minutes that this isn't the story you've been watching. Did
Speaker 2: you figure it out?
Speaker 1: Uh? No, I don't think so. But it's such a
Speaker 1: great moment when it Flandy clicks.
Speaker 2: So masterfully crafted.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But like we say so ballsy to how how many
Speaker 2: like little things there are? Like I know a lot
Speaker 2: of people myself included, won't know, but that Varney was
Speaker 2: the first vampire.
Speaker 1: Varney the vampire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, he was one of, if not the first,
Speaker 2: like publicly known ones like in literature.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad you had.
Speaker 2: Pre dating Dracula, and also.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah by decades and decades. Yeah, yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think the first one to popularize the idea of having
Speaker 1: fangs like long teeth.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know that's much of other things.
Speaker 1: Like hypnotic powers and coming in through a window to
Speaker 1: attack someone, they all came from Varney the Vampire, not Dracula.
Speaker 2: No, and even the fact that he calls him at
Speaker 2: one point Varney the Vegan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, I found that interesting because that's such a niche
Speaker 1: reference that it's surprising that the character would know that
Speaker 1: to make that reference, Like, I'm assuming he is alluding
Speaker 1: to Varney the Vampire. Otherwise why would he, I guess
Speaker 1: unless he's just because it's a literative he's just saying
Speaker 1: the vegan. But yeah, I felt like, you know, if
Speaker 1: anyone did know Varney the Vampire, then making that joke
Speaker 1: sort of throws you off the scent because it's like
Speaker 1: he's he's alluded to it, He's made a joke, and.
Speaker 2: There's nothing at that point really that screams no, this
Speaker 2: is something you should be watching out for. You've already
Speaker 2: sort of closed that option in your head before you've
Speaker 2: even considered it. I am intrigued to what. I guess
Speaker 2: it's probably boredom. Like, So, say, Valley's been around for
Speaker 2: presumably centuries, why's he decided to become a special police constable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just for the fun.
Speaker 1: Of it, because I was googling this and it said
Speaker 1: that special police constables are volunteer policeman. Is that right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's yeah. I mean he's not even getting paid
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 2: No, you have all the same powers pretty much as
Speaker 2: a regular police officer, you just don't get paid. It's
Speaker 2: pretty much exactly the same job, you just don't get
Speaker 2: paid for it. But I guess it's just a way
Speaker 2: into the police as well. Yeah, for people that want
Speaker 2: to do it. You show that you're good, yeah, true,
Speaker 2: on your spare time, and then they offer you a
Speaker 2: job eventually, yeah hopefully. But yeah, how how he's managed
Speaker 2: to get through all of the training and stuff? Did
Speaker 2: you start to go for training? Like presumably had to
Speaker 2: have his photo taken and stuff, Yeah, which I imagine
Speaker 2: didn't show.
Speaker 1: Up or there may be from his vampire stuff. He
Speaker 1: has the hypnotic powers and he's able to wheel his
Speaker 1: way in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or that the entire police service is run by vampires.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, see being human for that.
Speaker 2: I did. I think I've seen the first series for
Speaker 2: a very long time ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I recommend it. But that's the other thing about
Speaker 1: vampire mythology is because there's so many different influences and
Speaker 1: there's so many different bits of law, you can choose
Speaker 1: your own bits and pieces and decide, oh, we'll do
Speaker 1: this one, but we won't do that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They did seem to go with all the main
Speaker 2: ones though, Yeah, I can't think of any that they
Speaker 2: specifically have left out. There could be ones would just
Speaker 2: never have come up in conversations.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have come up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like he might not be able to turn into
Speaker 2: a dog or whatever to missed or something, but it
Speaker 2: just was never relevant. So no, no, you don't know.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but yeah, I like the fact that he
Speaker 1: doesn't reflect, like because I always think, you know, if
Speaker 1: you're doing a modern vampire story, technically that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: a thing because it used to be with mirrors backed
Speaker 1: with silver, which is why they don't reflect, And the
Speaker 1: same with cameras.
Speaker 2: Is it that they don't show in cameras for the
Speaker 2: same linked thing or is that an entirely different thing.
Speaker 1: I believe it's the same thing because they used to
Speaker 1: use silver in developing film or something, I think, right,
Speaker 1: But yeah, so modern vampires, I think this should be
Speaker 1: showing up. Yeah, but then it's you know, it's just
Speaker 1: all let old silliness, isn't it. The other thing is,
Speaker 1: obviously they're in a graveyard for this whole thing, and
Speaker 1: there's so many crosses about, and they're not supposed to
Speaker 1: like crosses. But then I think again, in this day
Speaker 1: and age, you don't have to necessarily go along with that.
Speaker 2: No, whichever ones he wants to stick to you in
Speaker 2: this situation, yeah, they don't. Also, they also don't sparkle
Speaker 2: like the weird Twilight ones too. Well yeah, so who knows.
Speaker 1: I love vampire stuff, m me too.
Speaker 2: That's one of the great things as well about this
Speaker 2: series in that it's a different story in a different
Speaker 2: world every episode. You can do a surprise thing like
Speaker 2: this exactly like so many times you know going in
Speaker 2: that it's going to be a vampire story or whatever.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm was he You can so easily no idea
Speaker 2: hide it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: What I find interesting about this is that it once
Speaker 1: again fits into their thing of doing something supernatural in
Speaker 1: the last episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't believe any of them were planned.
Speaker 2: They said, yeah, but that's when they would fall, but
Speaker 2: that they just did. I think it's is it every
Speaker 2: series so far.
Speaker 1: Not private view? You don't think that was supernatural? Oh?
Speaker 2: No, true.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I think they all have been. Really.
Speaker 1: I also like the really clever thing of using the
Speaker 1: speech at the beginning and the end and it taking
Speaker 1: on a completely different meaning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at the end, it's so easily sets up for
Speaker 2: you that that's what's going to happen, Like, you don't
Speaker 2: even question it. It's like, well, he's going to die
Speaker 2: at some point, and how we get there? Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you're not left on that scene long enough for you
Speaker 2: to even question it.
Speaker 1: No, No, I wonder what I was thinking the first time, thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, what on earth happens to him? Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: quite a horrific shot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me jump back to Night one. I like
Speaker 2: that it's even specifically Night one. You'd probably still have
Speaker 2: written Day one on anything else, like specifying that it's
Speaker 2: night that it's creatures of the night. Yeah, even though
Speaker 2: it's set at night, you probably would have still written
Speaker 2: day one, I imagine probably.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming this is just night one of what we're watching,
Speaker 1: because he mentions you did that last night. So this
Speaker 1: isn't night one for them, true, but it's not one
Speaker 1: for us. It's like act one of a three act structure,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this one, the having to ask to come in,
Speaker 2: is probably the one that I think is the most ballsy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem the most of it, especially when
Speaker 1: they repeat it three times. Yeah, in the whole episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he does it quite a lot, Like you get
Speaker 2: away with it, combining the permission he's got to have
Speaker 2: and to hold the coffees at the same time. You know,
Speaker 2: he's got this coffee, he's got no free it sort
Speaker 2: of makes sense absolutely.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That really kind of distracts you from it because
Speaker 1: it gives you an excuse. It gives him an excuse
Speaker 1: to be to be asking, because there's no reason otherwise
Speaker 1: why he would be asking to come in. No, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't actually mean can I come in? He just
Speaker 1: means can you open the door? Yeah, but it's it's
Speaker 1: a bit of a fudge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it just sounds like a weird choice of phrase,
Speaker 2: but yeah, hey, how you can't. He hasn't got any hands.
Speaker 1: He just he does sound so pathetic when he's like,
Speaker 1: can I come in? I did also want to mention
Speaker 1: the music and this.
Speaker 2: Is so good. Yes, the music is fantastic.
Speaker 1: And again they splashed out on real players. Okay, and
Speaker 1: it's again it's another aspect that makes you think it's
Speaker 1: so obvious because it sounds so gothic.
Speaker 2: And creepy and yeah.
Speaker 1: Almost Eastern European as well. Like yes, I mean it's
Speaker 1: just like some violin scales with like a massive delay
Speaker 1: on them.
Speaker 2: But it works so well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very unsettling.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I genuinely can't remember what I thought was going
Speaker 2: on in the first watch. I haven't been quite creeped
Speaker 2: out by it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, toward the end, you can sense something bad is
Speaker 1: going to happen. Obviously I've been Shane Reese. Yeah. So anyway,
Speaker 1: so Tomo PC Thompson and Steve's character, he's obviously he's
Speaker 1: the superior, he is the proper police officer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Specials take issue with that, but yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Well anyone listening then sorry, And his previous partner died
Speaker 1: on the job.
Speaker 2: M about a month ago.
Speaker 1: So this is a classic like double act like two hander,
Speaker 1: the dynamic where you've got Thompson is this sort of
Speaker 1: seasoned Jade did one, and Varney's quite a contrast, like
Speaker 1: he's he's very sort of fussy and clean and you know,
Speaker 1: takes issue with some of the sort of disgusting things
Speaker 1: that Tomo likes to do. Yeah, like Peana Pringle's tube and.
Speaker 2: Stuff, the five tropes of comedic double acts or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, it was kind of Waiting for god
Speaker 1: O esque. I mean, I'm not that familiar with Waiting
Speaker 1: for Godo. But there's another one, which was actually the
Speaker 1: first play I directed, which was everyone always goes what
Speaker 1: when I say this title. It's called Rosencrants and Gildenstern
Speaker 1: are Dead, Okay by Tom stop Hard And if you
Speaker 1: know it, you know how good it is. It's set
Speaker 1: in the wings of Hamlet.
Speaker 2: I think you might have mentioned it, and it's like two.
Speaker 1: Side characters in Hamlet and they're just like when the
Speaker 1: characters from Hamlet are off stage, they're just left on
Speaker 1: stage and they just like have nothing to do and
Speaker 1: they just talk to each other. Yeah, then it's Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's this sort of thing. It's like when you've got
Speaker 1: nothing to do except past the time, like the banality
Speaker 1: that comes up. Yeah, it's quite fun because.
Speaker 2: You can fill five minutes of conversation. What do you
Speaker 2: do with the other four hours?
Speaker 1: Yeah, hence why Tomo loves his riddles.
Speaker 2: Hmm. Obviously the coffin being the answer to the second one.
Speaker 2: Yet another vampire thing that hadn't clicked. Every time I
Speaker 2: watch it, I think I spot another one. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: somehow slip by the fact that he sees bats when
Speaker 2: he goes on his wonder Oh yes, yeah another one.
Speaker 1: The last one I noticed only last minute was when
Speaker 1: he says Reese says about oh I'm a bit long
Speaker 1: in the tooth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, every time there's a new one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a bit annoying with his riddles, isn't it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the way he recites.
Speaker 2: Them like you said them a thousand times as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, Vanney's only been paired with him for at
Speaker 2: most a month, and he's already fed up a bit, Like,
Speaker 2: what's it going to be like if they were working together,
Speaker 2: like four or five years, I'd find quite fun for
Speaker 2: the first night of two though, I like a good riddle.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and you know, word games and things fun.
Speaker 2: When I was on the cruise, they had a pub
Speaker 2: quiz where one of the rounds was riddles, and it
Speaker 2: was the most stupid idea because then everyone complains and
Speaker 2: argues that their answer is better. Yeah, and they had
Speaker 2: one that was the more you care for me, the
Speaker 2: less of me you have. Pause the audience suggestions.
Speaker 1: For Stephen to think about it. The more you care
Speaker 1: for me, the less of me you have.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I'd also interrupt all this and say
Speaker 2: the answer is stupid. And we argued about it.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I mean the first thing that popped into
Speaker 1: my mind was something like happiness or I don't know what.
Speaker 1: What was their answer?
Speaker 2: Well, our answer, which I thought was better, was the lawn.
Speaker 2: But the more you care for a lawn, the less
Speaker 2: of it you have. Because right away, yes, and I
Speaker 2: don't really like it, but it's okay. Their answer is
Speaker 2: a candle. I mean, I get there's less of it,
Speaker 2: but no one cares for a candle.
Speaker 1: That supposed to mean exactly is it just? Is it
Speaker 1: just because you trim it, don't you? When the wax
Speaker 1: is melted. Maybe that's what they mean, but that's yeah,
Speaker 1: lawn is better than candle.
Speaker 2: We didn't like it at all.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean how long did they give you to
Speaker 1: think about these?
Speaker 2: Not that long. I mean most of them are ones
Speaker 2: that had just come around. You'd heard them dozens of times.
Speaker 1: So I walks on four legs in the morning, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing legs in the afternoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the river bed one.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The one who makes it, sells it, who buys
Speaker 1: it never uses it, and the one who was it,
Speaker 1: the one who uses it, never knows that he's using it.
Speaker 1: What is it?
Speaker 2: Is it a towel? It's always a towel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what he was thinking there. How
Speaker 1: can you never know you're using a top?
Speaker 2: I'm just dry? How did it happen? I'm never going
Speaker 2: to question it. No one that buys towels ever uses
Speaker 2: them for themselves, and the people that make towels are
Speaker 2: just permanently wet.
Speaker 1: Okay, No, it makes no sense, Vannie.
Speaker 2: No, not at all.
Speaker 1: We also get the nice little reveal that he is
Speaker 1: well told that he's a vegan, and then this says
Speaker 1: actually is more of a flexitarian, and he eats meat
Speaker 1: once a month. Yea, given the twist is that is
Speaker 1: that supposed to mean that he only needs once a month.
Speaker 2: I assume so because that's how long Dobbo has been
Speaker 2: dead for and sense, so presumably once a month. That
Speaker 2: is this version of vampires.
Speaker 1: Because obviously months and the moon. You we associate himre
Speaker 1: with were wolves. But I was reading that apparently the
Speaker 1: moon can be associated with all those kind of creatures,
Speaker 1: so they're made up.
Speaker 2: You can associate what you want.
Speaker 1: Well, it can be as in they have been considerably.
Speaker 2: Also associate them with a sparrowgus and bananas if you
Speaker 2: really want to out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's no tradition of that.
Speaker 2: Did you spot the nice little nod back to legal gentlemen.
Speaker 1: I didn't spot it, but I saw it on Google.
Speaker 2: But the goths come over from Leeds. I can't remember
Speaker 2: who said. I want to say it was Mark Gatis.
Speaker 2: Also outside references, did you notice in Night one at
Speaker 2: least that there seems to be a weeping angel in
Speaker 2: the middle of the review window?
Speaker 1: No, I did not know.
Speaker 2: It's very like Central Ah should have a little crossover
Speaker 2: of that would be fun. It's weird that you can
Speaker 2: cross over to vampires. But if Darlk's turned up, it
Speaker 2: would just be weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be weird. But the chicken teak and.
Speaker 2: Missala because garlic bread would be too on the nose
Speaker 2: and would be obvious, but works so nicely.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know, is that is that known for
Speaker 1: having a lot of garlic.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you put garlic and onions in Okay, I mean
Speaker 2: you put garlic onions in pretty much everything. But well, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just so subtle. But when you watch.
Speaker 1: Back, yes, I mean it's nice that they don't specifically
Speaker 1: say the word garlic at that point. They just say
Speaker 1: ore obsensitive to smells, yeah, because I think garlic would
Speaker 1: have been possibly too much stretch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But it's that nice mix of the things that
Speaker 2: you really think you should have seen, like the asking
Speaker 2: to be let in, Yeah, and then the little ones
Speaker 2: like the garlic of the you know, mentioning your bats
Speaker 2: and long in the tooth and stuff that are just
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have a question. It's such a good one
Speaker 2: for a rewatch when you can see through the fake story,
Speaker 2: the facade that they're trying to present the episode as.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just comes across as He's just being fussy,
Speaker 1: is he? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's Yeah, he's just a bit weird and.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and you just say to him, you can
Speaker 1: eat it outside of the vehicle, but he just like
Speaker 1: he's just like oh fine and just like puts it away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the smellad still be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But so Varney keeps trying to get Thompson to
Speaker 1: talk about Dobson and he doesn't like to talk about it.
Speaker 2: No, why do we reckon he is doing this? Is
Speaker 2: it just a sort of he's bored and he's playing
Speaker 2: with his food?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was wondering that because there's no reason why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have killed him whenever he wanted. M
Speaker 2: I assume it's just he's lived for hundreds of years
Speaker 2: and like killing people's easy, so why not mess with them?
Speaker 1: Yeah? That plus vampires like the theatrics, don't they say?
Speaker 1: Maybe he's he liked the idea of pretending to be
Speaker 1: in a police drama. Yeah, a bit before dramatically revealing
Speaker 1: why not.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happens after this story, So the
Speaker 2: way with these episodes, you don't know what comes next.
Speaker 1: No, they go off into the distance with you know,
Speaker 1: their own spin off coming, Yeah, Fnnie and Dobson and yeah,
Speaker 1: when I wrote in one of my notes, I wrote
Speaker 1: Dobbo dobbos a vampire, and it also corrected to Dobby
Speaker 1: as a vampire.
Speaker 2: Dobby is a good vampire.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they also play Fortunately Unfortunately, which is a
Speaker 1: nice game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun. I never played it before. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was invented for this.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I've heard of it before. Okay, it's the
Speaker 1: sort of thing you do in like drama clubs.
Speaker 2: And stuff, right IV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but it's funny, how you know. It leads
Speaker 1: to the sort of Thompson having to say things he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to talk about and then only just been like,
Speaker 1: I realized now I should have let you do the Fortunately.
Speaker 2: He displayed the concerned friend quite well, actually, considering it's
Speaker 2: all a lie.
Speaker 1: He does so he feels guilty because he wasn't around.
Speaker 1: He'd gone for a takeaway.
Speaker 2: It's just the way it's such a serious scene. He's like,
Speaker 2: and I was at the takeaway waiting for Papa dumbs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He mentions that Dobson had his throat slit.
Speaker 2: Well, presumably's exaggerating. It wouldn't have been it would just
Speaker 2: been a bite.
Speaker 1: Well you say that, but he stabs him in the
Speaker 1: neck at the end before he drinks. Yeah, so who knows.
Speaker 2: I guess I'm never sure on the They never really
Speaker 2: seem to specify in vampire things, what causes the victim
Speaker 2: to become a vampire and what causes the victim to
Speaker 2: just die? Oh.
Speaker 1: I think traditionally usually it's if they just drink from you,
Speaker 1: then you die. You have to drink their blood if
Speaker 1: there's be like a transfer, oh okay, like a mutual thing, right,
Speaker 1: in order to become one right, Okay, But I suppose
Speaker 1: it depends on the story.
Speaker 2: So how do you make Dobson drink his blood? Presumably
Speaker 2: you wouldn't particularly wanted to.
Speaker 1: I think the idea is that when you're being drained,
Speaker 1: they offer you that thing as like a way to
Speaker 1: save yourself. So some people take.
Speaker 2: It, okay, fair enough, because otherwise they just end up.
Speaker 2: We'd have about three or four years and then the
Speaker 2: whole world had been transformed and no one drink from
Speaker 2: and everyone be vampires.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So night two, we're back in the graveyard again.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is the bit when they're driving around the
Speaker 1: graveyard slowly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was originally as well. I'd read
Speaker 2: that the two roles were the originally the other way around.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, And I'm not sure I might have misread,
Speaker 2: but I think the reason was that Reese doesn't drive,
Speaker 2: oh something, and then he did someone that could drive.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So that's why it got swapped. And I think they
Speaker 2: thought that it was a bit less obvious if Steve
Speaker 2: was the vampire in that Reese kind of almost looks
Speaker 2: like one.
Speaker 1: Anyway, exactly all of them is going to be a vampire.
Speaker 1: It's going to be Reese.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, that's interesting to imagine the other way around.
Speaker 2: I don't know what point they swapped it, but I
Speaker 2: think that was originally the plan. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, five minutes before filming, you.
Speaker 2: Get a quick glance at the script. You wrote the thing.
Speaker 2: You don't need to learn the lines.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So they have a chat about what it's like
Speaker 1: being on nights and Thompson can't sleep well during the day. No,
Speaker 1: but of course Vannie is used to sleeping during the.
Speaker 2: Day, sleeps like the dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The world it's crazy, isn't it. Once you know,
Speaker 1: and it's just like every it's pretty much every minutes.
Speaker 1: It's just sacking them up.
Speaker 2: Whenever I have shown people and when you hear all
Speaker 2: the lines, I'm like, this is too obvious. This is
Speaker 2: too obvious. They're going to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And you think, oh god, they're gonna Yeah, they're gonna guess.
Speaker 2: I think the one that gets closest, and I said
Speaker 2: that with the with the being en thing is is
Speaker 2: they're not driving over the bridge. Well, so that's coming
Speaker 2: up in a minute. Yeah, that feels the most weird, to.
Speaker 1: Be honest, I think that is. Yeah, it's the most
Speaker 1: hard to explain. But it depends how well you know
Speaker 1: your folklore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's quite an obscure part of the
Speaker 1: mythology that they're doing, like going over running water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one of the less well known ones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, that is one of the most obviously
Speaker 1: if you do know, because otherwise, why is he suddenly like, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can't go over the bridge of the bridge.
Speaker 2: What would have happened if you did burst into flames
Speaker 2: of who knows? Yeah, this version of vampire is what happens.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I also want to know how they could
Speaker 2: have gone somewhere that didn't require going over a bridge.
Speaker 2: That going over a bridge would have led to as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there must have been like a second bridge that un
Speaker 2: like bend in a river, yeah or something, and they
Speaker 2: just went the long way around. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a very good point.
Speaker 2: Or it's this bridge just over the very beginning of
Speaker 2: a river, like right by this ring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing, you know. I was saying
Speaker 1: about the tension between Reese and the producer, and the
Speaker 1: producer was saying that he guessed the twist from that
Speaker 1: bit when he was reading the script about the bridge, right,
Speaker 1: and Reese was like, he just fully just said to him,
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. I said, I don't believe that
Speaker 1: you know your vampire foot or that well that you
Speaker 1: got from that.
Speaker 2: But I guess it's it's probably a lot easier to
Speaker 2: see things in a script.
Speaker 1: It is, yes, because it has to be there in
Speaker 1: black and white, yeah, rather than just thrown away.
Speaker 2: Whereas when you say it, yeah, you can you can, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can make it disappear.
Speaker 1: Absolutely No. I do agree with that.
Speaker 2: I think it must be much harder to write, say
Speaker 2: a murder mystery or whatever, than it is to film
Speaker 2: or put a play on or whatever. For what, Oh, definitely, yeah,
Speaker 2: because you literally have to write down all of the clues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the reader is in control of the pace
Speaker 1: of their reading and everything, whereas when you've got an
Speaker 1: actor doing it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you also have the benefit of you can
Speaker 2: bury it in the middle ean lines of rambling, like
Speaker 2: descriptions of curtains and stuff like, yeah, like the Stephen
Speaker 2: King method.
Speaker 1: Well, descriptions of other things as well well. So is
Speaker 1: this the scene where control Radio is in.
Speaker 2: And finally realizing they're not where were they meant to be?
Speaker 1: I love how he tries to be all professional. My
Speaker 1: partner is currently on a comfort break and it just
Speaker 1: evolves down to you mean he's having a piss Dobson
Speaker 1: is going tinkles?
Speaker 2: Is it me?
Speaker 1: Or did the control woman sound very much like Sean Gibson,
Speaker 1: like Leanne and Bernic Clifton.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I can see.
Speaker 1: The accent of the voice is exactly the same. So
Speaker 1: they're supposed to be seeking out a flat and a
Speaker 1: dock side, not a graveyard. So I like this as
Speaker 1: well because it's a nice big red herring that you
Speaker 1: start to think, oh, okay, this is the plot. Thomas Dodgy,
Speaker 1: He's hiding things because also like he's had all the
Speaker 1: status this whole time. Reese has been this underdog, which
Speaker 1: is so good, like at the end when it flips
Speaker 1: and you realize that actually he's had the power the
Speaker 1: whole time.
Speaker 2: Hm. I do wonder what how long Thompson thought you
Speaker 2: could get away with this for well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think he's thinking great, to be honest, but.
Speaker 2: If, in theory is a drug bust about to happen, like,
Speaker 2: how on earth is he going to explain why he
Speaker 2: wasn't where he was meant to be. No exactly, but yeah,
Speaker 2: like you said, it's just not thinking.
Speaker 1: But he's just obsessive, isn't he. Yeah, so yes, they
Speaker 1: do then drive to the docks to pursue the suspect.
Speaker 2: Weird for inside number nine. We get to go somewhere else.
Speaker 2: We're still in the car. Though still in the car.
Speaker 2: I have no issues. I have no issues.
Speaker 1: But it's nice that number nine is mobile today. Also,
Speaker 1: so the reason he's been in the graveyard is because
Speaker 1: Stubbo's buried there and supposedly his grave was vandalized, and
Speaker 1: he thinks they might come back. Yes, and he says
Speaker 1: about the lid of them being smashed in. Yes, is
Speaker 1: the idea that actually that was him smashing his.
Speaker 2: Way out, Yeah, it is my take of it.
Speaker 1: That was what I thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, however, this is one of my few criticisms of
Speaker 2: the episode. It doesn't make any sense though to me
Speaker 2: then that surely Dabo is not then in the coffin anymore.
Speaker 2: He smashed his way out. Yeah, surely the police that
Speaker 2: found the grave desecrated would question why the body wasn't
Speaker 2: there anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe the Yeah, the people who vandalized it
Speaker 1: stole it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I guess, but you think that would
Speaker 2: be a bigger crime, like.
Speaker 1: Oh, like stealing a body, yeah, grave snatching. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point.
Speaker 2: You think he would have mentioned that and they took
Speaker 2: his body as well, unless he still is. Unless he
Speaker 2: just broke out to go for a wander and then
Speaker 2: he went back.
Speaker 1: And then he went back to have a kip as
Speaker 1: he sleeps in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe maybe actually know that doesn't make sense. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's maybe broke out. Varney's confound him, you know, talked
Speaker 2: to him, told him what the deal is and told
Speaker 2: him to go back and wait, go back to sleep
Speaker 2: for another few weeks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can square enough, it's okay. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So they eventually get to the where this dodgy drugs
Speaker 1: person is. Tomo gets out to investigate gun shots. Oh, gunshots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and this is where I think this is where Varney
Speaker 1: finds the murder weapon in the glove box.
Speaker 2: He does. So we get a little bit of newspaper
Speaker 2: cuttings and place reports and stuff. Oh, yes, ruffling through,
Speaker 2: which seems I think there's a time and a place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, it can wait.
Speaker 2: But I guess at the end of the like Varney
Speaker 2: doesn't care, like presumably he's immortal, so he doesn't care
Speaker 2: about this drugs buss going wrong, like he's got all
Speaker 2: the time in the world as far as he cares. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just seems a bit jarring to us as the audience.
Speaker 2: They don't know.
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing that's why he's able to then take
Speaker 1: them down so easily when there's more gunshots and he
Speaker 1: just comes away unharmed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like all of those gunshots might have gone into
Speaker 2: VARNI yeah, because well he wouldn't be armed. No, So yeah,
Speaker 2: I wonder how what he did to them, like in
Speaker 2: terms of what he did that you could then explain away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well the lamp was supposed to have extra special strength,
Speaker 1: aren't they say?
Speaker 2: Probably just obviously you couldn't just like rip them limb
Speaker 2: for limb or whatever do something that control.
Speaker 1: Knock them out in some way. Yeah, so night three mm.
Speaker 1: The windows in this scene they look all frosted up.
Speaker 1: It is frost, isn't It's not just like rain.
Speaker 2: I guess it's frost. It kind of. I mean, there's
Speaker 2: a bit with the windscreen wipers later where it doesn't
Speaker 2: just immediately clear off. So I'm thin frost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the atmosphere. He brings him a ChIL arte,
Speaker 1: which I had to call out because Ben bought some
Speaker 1: of that this winter and I got to try some
Speaker 1: for the first time and I, oh, I love it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm so hooked on it still. It's my new favorite
Speaker 1: winter drink.
Speaker 2: What is it? I don't actually know what it is.
Speaker 1: Well, the one we get is in a powdered form
Speaker 1: and you add a tiny bit of milk and some
Speaker 1: hot water, and it is I know, like Steve's character says,
Speaker 1: it's like drinking a mince pie. It kind of is
Speaker 1: a little bit. It's sort of you know, like slightly spiced,
Speaker 1: and it's just the perfect sort of winter warmer. So Camp.
Speaker 2: Just a little bit.
Speaker 1: Thanks. I still have forgiven you for last episode what
Speaker 1: you said about and being camp something alm those lines
Speaker 1: you Camp, surely not something, but you laughed. I went
Speaker 1: to Ben afterwards and I said, Yan to call me Camp,
Speaker 1: and you went, you are Camp. Get over it.
Speaker 2: No, you're big and rugged and manly.
Speaker 1: Well I try, right, So anyway, next bit, that's.
Speaker 2: I'm scared and I like it. That's what forgot Next.
Speaker 2: My notes sort of stopped here. I got too carried away.
Speaker 1: Varney confronts Tomo about having stolen the murder weapon and
Speaker 1: taking the lord of his own hands. Again. I don't
Speaker 1: know why he's doing this. Why does it matter?
Speaker 2: Hm? I guess there's an element still here of trying
Speaker 2: to like preserve the fake story for the audience's benefit. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: you've got to do lots of things to still maintain that.
Speaker 1: This is what we always say every week. Do me
Speaker 1: that the twist it has to work both ways?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't get I don't. I mean, there
Speaker 1: must be there must be a way to explain it,
Speaker 1: but I don't really understand it.
Speaker 2: He's still just like trying to play with Tomo, and
Speaker 2: I guess he wants him to break down, doesn't he.
Speaker 1: And then you get this whole weird thing of Tomo
Speaker 1: getting all aggressive and accusing Varney wearing a wire. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it just sort of it feels like they're
Speaker 1: building to a climax of an episode that this is not,
Speaker 1: isn't it, like you said, to try and sort of
Speaker 1: lull you into thinking that this is what the episode's about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I still think it all works from Tomo's point
Speaker 2: of view. Oh yeah, Like ultimately he doesn't really know
Speaker 2: who this person is, and he does keep asking a
Speaker 2: lot of questions about his partner, and yeah, is Finny there,
Speaker 2: like you know, is he actually a therapist or something
Speaker 2: that's like been put in to try and talk, or
Speaker 2: like you say, is he try and get information out
Speaker 2: of him that he's corrupt or whatever?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: I think there are plenty of alternative stories that this
Speaker 2: could have been.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I think they do a good job of constructing this
Speaker 2: fake story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, sorry, I was thinking about tea bag hand warmers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's quite funny. Would you like a tea bag. Oh no,
Speaker 1: I've got my child out it.
Speaker 2: Well, like you're just going to suck on a tea bag.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was going to say, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the point of the tea bag handwarmer thing is,
Speaker 1: but you know it's quite funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then it's that great hot and cold shower thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because then obviously you get the fuck.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, and then it goes creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hate stuff like this when there's like a
Speaker 1: bang on the roof and oh my god, someone's got
Speaker 1: to get out to see what it was, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to get out. Yeah, it's really.
Speaker 2: Scary, it is. It is creepy. I know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen, and every time I still get the goosebumps
Speaker 2: at this bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It's a bit when when Reese goes like
Speaker 1: wait there or something and you think no, don't, no,
Speaker 1: don't even though you know.
Speaker 2: Then he disappears forever. Yeah, it's really creepy.
Speaker 1: Yes, creepy things to do with cars always freaked me out.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It's something about.
Speaker 2: You in the dark.
Speaker 1: You're just sort of in this metal box and it's
Speaker 1: a bit like, yeah, creepy.
Speaker 2: And especially when you have the un dead climbing over
Speaker 2: the bonnet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's so indistinct through the frosted window.
Speaker 2: So stupid though the windscreen wipers. It just seems so silly.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Why, Well that he just disappears when the.
Speaker 2: Well no, no, the fact that there's a shape coming
Speaker 2: up and he's getting scared that it cuts to him
Speaker 2: just just.
Speaker 1: A might that, yeah, there's a spider on the windscreen
Speaker 1: or something. Surprised he didn't do the like the washer jets,
Speaker 1: but holy water in your washerattle?
Speaker 2: And then he's gone, and it's it's done nicely in that,
Speaker 2: you know, is he dreaming? It? Still like we don't
Speaker 2: know yet quite what's going on.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. I didn't think I thought vampire. No,
Speaker 1: when he's climbing on the bonnet.
Speaker 2: I still think I thought that he was like going crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know he just mentioned before that he sees
Speaker 2: him everywhere, and how much of that is actually might
Speaker 2: well be seeing him? Like I know there's only this
Speaker 2: time when we know that he sees the real Dubbo,
Speaker 2: but he thinks he's seeing him all over the place.
Speaker 2: Might well be m m I know it's necessary for
Speaker 2: the cold open to work, and it frames it nicely
Speaker 2: and all the stuff with the mirrors, But why does
Speaker 2: he get into the back seat of the car. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Nobody's got no need to No, he's been in the
Speaker 1: front the whole time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I get that it's it's probably to make
Speaker 2: it easier to attack him, but he could have done
Speaker 2: that just as easily from the front seat.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's for the rear view mirror
Speaker 1: and the theatrics.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Again, we know the vampires like the theatrics. He's just like,
Speaker 1: that's the best angle to do that reveal from.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It takes a little while though, for Tomo to
Speaker 2: realize that he's not in the mirror. And I think
Speaker 2: if someone was talking behind you, you'd probably immediately look
Speaker 2: in the mirror and look at them.
Speaker 1: Yes, you would, But.
Speaker 2: I suppose there's been the whole thing. He's just been
Speaker 2: thrown by Yeah, double on the bonnet, and he's not thinking.
Speaker 1: And I guess you just if you couldn't see him
Speaker 1: in the mirror from where you're sitting, you just assume
Speaker 1: the angle.
Speaker 2: Out of you. Yeah, and it's dark and yeah, because
Speaker 2: your mind wouldn't immediately go to your friend's a vampire.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the big reveal hm hmm. And I love
Speaker 1: the way he still that what are these the top
Speaker 1: five tropes of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's just it all just clicks as well.
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful at that point. Yeah, and then you know,
Speaker 2: and then you can if you you know, your memory
Speaker 2: is good enough, you'll remember back to the beginning and
Speaker 2: you'll be like, oh, this makes that like how it's
Speaker 2: going to end?
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, I've really enjoyed that.
Speaker 2: The lack of realization on Thompson's face, like, Okay, apparently
Speaker 2: this is where we are now. Oh, well, I guess
Speaker 2: I'm going to die.
Speaker 1: Yes. I think that's why it's such a powerful twist
Speaker 1: is because you've got two such strong genres of the
Speaker 1: police drama and the vampire genre. They're too they've got
Speaker 1: such a strong identity, and they're so a million miles away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they never know that's that's just not a ven
Speaker 2: diagram that crosses.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the character suddenly realizes he's in a
Speaker 1: different story to what he thought he was in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yes, he feeds he.
Speaker 2: Does for an inordinately long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's very graphic. He's really chomping away, isn't he.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Rees said that he was just in his head
Speaker 2: showing cut Now we keeping going, okay, and I think
Speaker 2: the director said that he was. He took it as
Speaker 2: a personal like point of pride that he managed to
Speaker 2: get Reese to be even uncomfortable in the scene. M
Speaker 2: but just go on forever, Yeah, presuly, just like there'll
Speaker 2: just be someone on the side squirting blood out of
Speaker 2: a little tube out of his neck. That then, like
Speaker 2: Reese is sort of like has been covered in Yeah,
Speaker 2: about twenty seconds.
Speaker 1: And yeah, of course, then we get to find out
Speaker 1: that Dobbo is a vampire as well, now sired by Varney.
Speaker 2: Indeed and let into the car.
Speaker 1: Yes. I like how he calls him my child.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he goes all theatric.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so that's when we go back to the beginning.
Speaker 1: So Varney sort of sits back. I'm guessing he's in
Speaker 1: some sort of you know now he's says she he's
Speaker 1: sort of in some sort of ecstatic sort of torpa,
Speaker 1: which is why he looks like he's dead.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, he's just enjoying at the moment.
Speaker 1: The sensation, yeah, because I mean, you know, we laugh.
Speaker 1: But like, vampires in literature have always been associated with
Speaker 1: sexuality and like that kind of thing, so like the
Speaker 1: feeding is quite a sexual act. So him sort of
Speaker 1: rolling over afterwards and being like, oh, just you know,
Speaker 1: that's very.
Speaker 2: Gets a cigarette and start smoking.
Speaker 1: How was it for you, darling, Yeah yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Read as well. I can't really notice it, but apparently
Speaker 2: each night they subtly changed Reese's makeup to make him paler,
Speaker 2: to make him paler each night.
Speaker 1: I did think he looked a bit pale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to tell. I think been the lighting
Speaker 2: and the lighting changing every night anyway. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: apparently it was a conscious choice.
Speaker 1: Okay, so he's getting near and nearer to the point
Speaker 1: when he needs to feed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, and then it'll be bright
Speaker 2: and sprightly the next night. I also enjoy Dovo's outfit
Speaker 2: makes him look incredibly creepy. Obviously would be buried in
Speaker 2: his like police like finest, but it's so creepy, especially
Speaker 2: with the like the makeup on him to make him
Speaker 2: look so definitely Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very very creepy looking, and his teeth. His
Speaker 1: fangs are really like something.
Speaker 2: They're very well done, very impressive. Yeah, really sells it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always amusing in these things when the vampires
Speaker 1: are sort of in their most human looking form and
Speaker 1: they've got normal teeth, and then when they're about to feed,
Speaker 1: suddenly the fangs appear. It's like they've got them in
Speaker 1: their their pocket and they've got to swap them over
Speaker 1: like dentires. Hang on a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this episode.
Speaker 1: It's really good, isn't it. It's really good, really good,
Speaker 1: very clever.
Speaker 2: Very very clever, and such a like. It encapsulates everything,
Speaker 2: like it's got the characters, it's got the dark comedy,
Speaker 2: it's got the horror, it's got the gore, it's got
Speaker 2: the you know everything twists.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, which case rating?
Speaker 2: Yeah, ratings. I mean it's an easy nine for me personally. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I love it. I think it's a great one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can understand that. I mean I'm looking at
Speaker 1: a similar end. Yeah, I don't know what I think.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking an eight. I'm not sure what it is
Speaker 1: that holds me back from the nine, but it's just
Speaker 1: a gut feeling and.
Speaker 2: Once you get up to the eight, nine. It's just
Speaker 2: about how it makes you feel, I guess in a
Speaker 2: way exactly. So.
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that holds me back is
Speaker 1: the like we were saying, it does feel a bit
Speaker 1: strange how much Reese's character goes on about trying to
Speaker 1: find out what Thompson has been doing. It just doesn't
Speaker 1: seem when you find that the twist doesn't seem to
Speaker 1: really fit, that he would be that bothered. I guess
Speaker 1: to that extent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's.
Speaker 1: A mine and mine and minor criticism. Cool, I'm dreading
Speaker 1: what you're going to ask me next.
Speaker 2: Did you spot the hair?
Speaker 1: Well? No, but I've got I mean, I've got a
Speaker 1: couple of theories. Yeah, am I allowed to guesses because
Speaker 1: I have two ideas?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: My first thought was it could be in the glove
Speaker 1: box when he's no, no. My other one was the
Speaker 1: newspaper cuttings. It's in a picture in the newspaper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of. It's quite big. Actually, if if
Speaker 2: you are looking out for it, and you know where
Speaker 2: to look out for, it's quite obvious. It's like a
Speaker 2: half a page of a newspaper.
Speaker 1: Oh really, Yeah, because I guess where else would it
Speaker 1: be it wouldn't make sense in the car anywhere.
Speaker 2: So no, yeah, it'd be very jarring the matter where
Speaker 2: it was so yeah, cool, Well we're here again.
Speaker 1: We are. We've come to the end of series five.
Speaker 1: We have and we like to celebrate the end of
Speaker 1: a series with a big old quiz.
Speaker 2: We do. And I'm starting to get scared because after
Speaker 2: this point it starts to get to the episodes I've
Speaker 2: maybe only watched once. Really, I don't know these ones
Speaker 2: anywhere near as well. Okay, I'm going to struggle, and
Speaker 2: this is why I really need the points.
Speaker 1: Well, so we've had our questions checked.
Speaker 2: Two thirds of them were fine.
Speaker 1: Yes, So unfortunately we have to change two of them
Speaker 1: at the last minute because we got the same questions
Speaker 1: and annoyingly, my question for this episode you alluded to.
Speaker 2: Oh I wondered if I did. I thought your face
Speaker 2: dropped at one point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I'm like, do I need to come up
Speaker 1: with quickly another one? But we shall see. No, you
Speaker 1: would say that because you want the point. I well,
Speaker 1: we'll start with the referees of anka.
Speaker 2: I'll let you go first.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I know you don't like numbers. I don't,
Speaker 1: but at which minute of the match was the controversial
Speaker 1: throwing awarded?
Speaker 2: You said they weren't too bad this week.
Speaker 1: This is probably the worst.
Speaker 2: One, okay, but it's an the first half, so it's
Speaker 2: at least in the first forty five minutes. Oh, it
Speaker 2: was around about thirty eight minutes.
Speaker 1: Is that your answer?
Speaker 2: I think? Yeah? Why not?
Speaker 1: No, it was twenty six. Sorry. I found it tough
Speaker 1: to think of a question for that episode, to be honest.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So my question, what year was Brendan at the
Speaker 2: Sands rout? Oh?
Speaker 1: I have no idea? Good ninety something? Ninety seven?
Speaker 2: No, okay, And here I pulled the right answer right
Speaker 2: up my ass, ninety two.
Speaker 1: Two, I said ninety something. I should remember that's my
Speaker 1: year of birth. Anyway, death be not proud.
Speaker 2: We both went for who's David and Emily's favorite chat
Speaker 2: the for victim?
Speaker 1: Yeah, quite quite ironically. Oh yeah, so my my alternative
Speaker 1: question is which killer did David have on his forehead?
Speaker 1: On a post?
Speaker 2: It Edgane was on Maureen's? Oh who was on his?
Speaker 2: I know this, but I'm not going to get it.
Speaker 2: I want to say cripping, but I don't think it is.
Speaker 1: You're correct.
Speaker 2: Oh, good, because he only killed one person, didn't.
Speaker 1: There's always no serial killer and killed his wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was then in my head thinking I've
Speaker 2: heard of cripping. I'm sure he's killed more people, so
Speaker 2: it can't be him. But okay, I'm happy your question.
Speaker 2: How much is Maureen's Mother's day cardigan up for sale
Speaker 2: for at Wood Green's Dog's Trust.
Speaker 1: Oh? Three pounds? Oh you've put a lot of the
Speaker 1: No any thirty p thirty p you have to my
Speaker 1: first answer? You do bollocks. I knew I had a
Speaker 1: three in it and you had a three in it.
Speaker 2: Who's paying three pounds for that thing? Wow? She's been
Speaker 2: dead in it for a good long time.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: No, you better get some right because I feel like
Speaker 2: you're letting me win otherwise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, I'm not believe me right, Love's Great Adventure.
Speaker 2: Oh god, this is going to be awful.
Speaker 1: This is a dead easy one. Oh okay, what tune
Speaker 1: does the Singing Christmas Tree play?
Speaker 2: Oh? You say you say these things are easy, and
Speaker 2: I'm not. Okay. I almost went and I almost did
Speaker 2: a rewatch. I couldn't bring myseltery watch there. It's that
Speaker 2: rock and roll Christmas? Well?
Speaker 1: Is that even a song.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's not this one.
Speaker 1: No it's not. No, No, I don't know, good King Wencesless?
Speaker 2: Oh is it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough? This one seems so cruel. What pub
Speaker 2: was Patrick seen at on day fourteen?
Speaker 1: The stag?
Speaker 2: A fuck off? I thought that was really cruel.
Speaker 1: That just was in my heads.
Speaker 2: What day was Christmas on that year?
Speaker 1: The question the December.
Speaker 2: Day of the week, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was one with the y in the day anyway.
Speaker 1: Misdirection in the famous Mount Weasel mentioned by Jenny. What
Speaker 1: did the encyclopedia say Colombo's first name was?
Speaker 2: Colombo's actual first name is let alone? Won't I to
Speaker 2: knock one name off the list of all the people
Speaker 2: that could be Horatio?
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, it's Philip.
Speaker 2: Oh my question for you. Willie wished his diary to
Speaker 2: be Pastor Gabriel when he reached what.
Speaker 1: Age twenty five?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: It isn't it? Yeah? Because I remember thinking he looked
Speaker 1: I thought the character was younger than that, And then
Speaker 1: when he said that, I thought, oh, I didn't realize
Speaker 1: he was meant to be that old. Oh yeah, that's
Speaker 1: why it stuck in my head. Sorry, Okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: it's two to one.
Speaker 2: To make a Yeah, this feel familiar?
Speaker 1: No, no, no thinking out loud.
Speaker 2: Yeap.
Speaker 1: What's the name of Nadia's husband?
Speaker 2: I can't even remember him having a name. The only
Speaker 2: name that's jumping out to me is Andrew, but I
Speaker 2: don't think it is that.
Speaker 1: It was Tim. I was considering either that or what
Speaker 1: was her daughter's name. I don't know if you'd have
Speaker 1: known that.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that either. I was considering that as
Speaker 2: a question.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well you should have done.
Speaker 2: I should have done. Okay, now this feels awful, but
Speaker 2: equally it might not be. And I hope it is right,
Speaker 2: and I'm considering asking a more detail, but I won't.
Speaker 2: Diana sings two songs during the episode, Amazing Grace and
Speaker 2: an aria by who and if you get it right?
Speaker 2: I want to know what the aria is called, but
Speaker 2: I will have to go.
Speaker 1: I did become in any danger of getting it right.
Speaker 1: I remember it was. It's something in a foreign language,
Speaker 1: like Italian or something. I can hear it in my head,
Speaker 1: but I don't know who wrote it or what it's called.
Speaker 1: So pass it's a puccini, okay, And what's the aria
Speaker 1: called no idea.
Speaker 2: I did have it written down. Oh. I did start
Speaker 2: to write it down, and I was like, no, this
Speaker 2: is too cruel for me. So I just went with
Speaker 2: the person cause I thought you might happen to.
Speaker 1: Know that it's the sort of thing I would know fair,
Speaker 1: But I didn't. Good, So it's still two to one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this episode the stakeout, Oh, that means I suppose we'd
Speaker 1: better go with the question that. But then that, No,
Speaker 1: there's no tension in that because I know.
Speaker 2: You know, well I might have forgotten.
Speaker 1: I'm going to come up with another one super quick.
Speaker 2: Bear with was it who said the goths line? In?
Speaker 1: No? It was what was PC Thompson waiting for? When one? Yeah,
Speaker 1: as soon as you said it, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, ah, this one's such a hard one to come
Speaker 2: up with questions for. It is because they're not specific
Speaker 2: about anything and everything they do mention is only like
Speaker 2: small numbers or yes.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, shall we tell listeners what are
Speaker 1: one that we both came up with us as well.
Speaker 2: It was really cruel. How many cows are there per
Speaker 2: person in Uruguay?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Three point seven? Okay? When control is on the radio,
Speaker 1: what designation do they give the.
Speaker 2: Car oscar nine?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I thought it was easy, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was either that of popa dooms.
Speaker 2: There are so few things like I was even at
Speaker 2: one point considering asking you what the license plate number
Speaker 2: of the car is the second and you thought it
Speaker 2: was awful.
Speaker 1: Well, so we're currently on two two, so we are
Speaker 1: depends on this.
Speaker 2: You're going to get this. How many drinks are waiting
Speaker 2: for Varney at the pub after his heroics?
Speaker 1: You say, I'm going to get this. I've got a clue.
Speaker 2: Oh good, which means a draw.
Speaker 1: If I lose this? Yes, three.
Speaker 2: About six?
Speaker 1: About six? Okay? No, I had no clue about that.
Speaker 2: One, And you could argue if you'd said five that
Speaker 2: five was about six. But three is not about six?
Speaker 1: Well, okay, it is a draw? Is a draw? Oh
Speaker 1: poor you.
Speaker 2: Well, we've had more drawers than you've had wins, so
Speaker 2: I'm counting that as somewhat of a win.
Speaker 1: True, but at least I've had some wins.
Speaker 2: And it's only going to get harder because I don't
Speaker 2: know these very well.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see, we'll see another draw, dug dug.
Speaker 2: Oops.
Speaker 1: So that was a good series.
Speaker 2: It was it was other than that's great adventure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're always good.
Speaker 2: To be honest, they're always good. Yeah they might not
Speaker 2: be a cup of tea, but they're always good in
Speaker 2: some way. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Just before we go, I wanted to read another really
Speaker 1: sweet message that we got. Oh, this one came in
Speaker 1: from Daniel.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: Daniel, he says, Hi, I just wanted to message and
Speaker 1: say thanks for the pod. Started the new series today
Speaker 1: and loving it as always. I made my best mate
Speaker 1: Nicole watch Inside Number nine last year. She was reluctant
Speaker 1: to start at first, then within a month had finished
Speaker 1: the show. She loved it so much she went down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole brackets hair hole or does that sound
Speaker 1: too rude? And she found you guys, after which she
Speaker 1: introduced the pod to me. I've loved the show ever since.
Speaker 1: Excited for your episode on the Steakout, my favorite episode.
Speaker 1: Love Christian Henson's music particularly, But the first time I
Speaker 1: watched at the Vampia twist knocked me for six, despite
Speaker 1: how obvious it was upon a rewatch, keep up the
Speaker 1: awesome work. Thank you, Daniel. Thanks Daniel and Nicole. Yes,
Speaker 1: I said I was going to read this out and
Speaker 1: Daniel said, oh, that would be awesome. She'll piss herself
Speaker 1: when she hears it, so apologies Nicole, but yes, thank
Speaker 1: you for that. We're glad you enjoy. So will be
Speaker 1: back in due course for series six.
Speaker 2: And we will tell you where our ha'ir from today was,
Speaker 2: so you will have to.
Speaker 1: Wait until then. I think it's time to close the
Speaker 1: car door on number nine.
Speaker 2: If you're a vampire, you never ever leave.
Speaker 1: Or you can never come in anyway.
Speaker 2: Oh god, that would have been bad.
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