Speaker 1: All right, and joining us now is doctor Shiva and
Speaker 1: doctor Shiva and he is running for Senate as an independent. Right,
Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing. The website is Shiva for
Speaker 1: Senate dot com. Thank you for joining us, doctor Shiva. Good.
Speaker 1: How are you doing, David doing good? Tell us a
Speaker 1: bit about what you're doing here, what your goals are? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think David. People know that fundamentally, those in power.
Speaker 2: Give people essentially only two options on their battleground and
Speaker 2: how to participate in politics. Right, these are the two
Speaker 2: promoted options, which is, you run for office in either
Speaker 2: the Republican or Democratic party, take a left or right position,
Speaker 2: or you file a lawsuits, you become a lawyer.
Speaker 3: Think about it.
Speaker 2: If you wake up at some point in your life
Speaker 2: and you say, you know, I see injustice in the
Speaker 2: world and I want to change it, they give you
Speaker 2: these two vehicles legalism, become a lawyer, file lawsuits, or.
Speaker 3: Electoralism. Right, run for office. Now.
Speaker 2: The reality is, if you just take those two positions,
Speaker 2: you invariably get either demoralized or you get co opted,
Speaker 2: or you compromise. And they know this because the judges
Speaker 2: of courts, the legal systems, the electoral process is all
Speaker 2: controlled by what I call the swarm.
Speaker 3: And if people want to understand what that is, the
Speaker 3: go to.
Speaker 2: Shatter the swarm dot com and I describe that in
Speaker 2: a very scientific way the structures of power. Okay, so,
Speaker 2: but what they do not teach David anymore, or they
Speaker 2: rarely even talk about it, is that actual changes come
Speaker 2: through bottoms of up political movements of everyday people organizing
Speaker 2: locally and building self organizing systems, massive movements. That's right,
Speaker 2: and this is the fundamental weight any changes come. So
Speaker 2: that's at the core. So if you have a movement
Speaker 2: at the core, and then you go participate in the
Speaker 2: electoralism or the legalism process as a vehicle for a
Speaker 2: at minimum building the movement and a potential you may
Speaker 2: actually win some legal cases and participate much more robustly
Speaker 2: in the electoral process. So a priori you have to
Speaker 2: have a movement. Without that, you're going to get compromised.
Speaker 1: Who is so I think it's somebody anthropologist I can't
Speaker 1: remember the name, said something like a small, dedicated group
Speaker 1: of people is the only thing that's ever changed the world.
Speaker 1: On paraphrasing, maybe you know that quote, but.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, well it's a dedicated it's a dedicated group
Speaker 2: of people who have in any field, politics, science, medicine,
Speaker 2: who have really taken the time to apply the scientific
Speaker 2: method to understand how nature operates. And then once with
Speaker 2: that understanding, then you go do innovation. Then you bring
Speaker 2: something to humanity. So example, for since the time immemorial,
Speaker 2: people thought human beings.
Speaker 3: Could not fly, right, right, then you had.
Speaker 2: People understand Bernoulli's principle, and then you had the creation
Speaker 2: of airplanes which came from that understanding. Or people never
Speaker 2: thought we would have lights, you know, we'd always live
Speaker 2: in darkness.
Speaker 3: You had Maxwell's laws, these principles.
Speaker 2: Then people created all these gadgets that you know, we
Speaker 2: have light, we don't have darkness. So when it comes
Speaker 2: to politics, there's been a a view that there will
Speaker 2: always be the oligarchs and the rest of us have
Speaker 2: to suffer, right, There'll always be the point one percent,
Speaker 2: and just like there will be darkness, only birds can fly,
Speaker 2: you know, just deal.
Speaker 1: With it, That's okay.
Speaker 2: And then as a part of that, you were just
Speaker 2: talking earlier about christian You know, the fake Christians in
Speaker 2: every religion, be it Hinduism, Islam, Christianity, the corrupt owners
Speaker 2: of these religions take these religions and they create a
Speaker 2: political ideologies to support the suppression of the masses of
Speaker 2: people by the few. In Hinduism they called it karma
Speaker 2: the Brahmins. Right now, Christian Evangelism now supports another political
Speaker 2: ideology called Zionism right, not season, but the notion of
Speaker 2: rationalizing that there's no way out of this, that you
Speaker 2: simply have to accept the way things are, and if
Speaker 2: you do want to change it, run for politics, you know,
Speaker 2: raise money, you.
Speaker 3: Know, be Republican or Democrat.
Speaker 2: You're going to have to compromise or become a lawyer
Speaker 2: where you're doing deal making. You never really present in
Speaker 2: corporate anymore. So we have sort of shattered both of those, David.
Speaker 2: And it's been a long arc of a lot of
Speaker 2: hard work, you know, my personal journey, but also we
Speaker 2: built a global movement and it's taken a lot of
Speaker 2: hard work. It's something that should have been done several
Speaker 2: generations ago. But those in power brainwash people to think
Speaker 2: Bernie Sanders was going to take care of it, or
Speaker 2: Donald Trump was going to take care of it on
Speaker 2: the right, or Tucker Carlson, who griffs all day long
Speaker 2: as it was a CIA agent, right or Nick Fuentes,
Speaker 2: two Feds by the way, having interviews with each other
Speaker 2: saying they're not Feds, right, the biggest sye op.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So quite fascinating. So everything they do.
Speaker 2: And I want people to really, if there's one thing
Speaker 2: you get.
Speaker 3: From this.
Speaker 2: Conversation that I want to share is that everything that
Speaker 2: the swarm does elites to is to disempower you from
Speaker 2: the even the thought an iota of the thought that
Speaker 2: we must build bottoms up movements.
Speaker 3: That's it.
Speaker 2: And if you understand that, you will understand what we're doing,
Speaker 2: what my life has been about, what our movement's about.
Speaker 2: You know, our movement is truth, freedom, health. You can
Speaker 2: go to truthfromhealth dot com. And we educate people on history,
Speaker 2: we educate people on an engineering system science. So just
Speaker 2: like Bernoulli's principle or Maxwell's laws, I have uncovered these
Speaker 2: natural laws, David, that come from engineering science that show
Speaker 2: the dynamics of nine principles how every system in the
Speaker 2: universe operates. And the cool thing is I can teach
Speaker 2: this to anyone. You don't have to go to MIT. Okay,
Speaker 2: but with that understanding, you get this very deep view
Speaker 2: of the dynamics of all systems, and you can apply
Speaker 2: to political systems. So truth, freedom, health. There's no and
Speaker 2: there or dashes or emphasizing one or the other. They
Speaker 2: are three principles. The movement of information and matter and
Speaker 2: energy freely that's freedom. The conversion of ideas to find
Speaker 2: what is real. That's truth, the conversion process, and the
Speaker 2: vessel the structural process which contains truth and freedom. That's
Speaker 2: your health, economic health or physical health, etc. Now the
Speaker 2: principles of movement, conversion, and structure appear in everything.
Speaker 3: I could do a whole lecture.
Speaker 2: I don't want to bore you guys on that, but
Speaker 2: we have founded a movement on scientific principles. So you
Speaker 2: can't just do science. You can't just be an active
Speaker 2: ast fighting for freedom. You can't just take care of
Speaker 2: your health. You have to do all of it. So
Speaker 2: you have seen during COVID you had all these yoga
Speaker 2: people and wellness people who talked about health, but they
Speaker 2: were all supporting masks and getting vaccinated complete dysfunction. Then
Speaker 2: you have people who talked about freedom, but the same
Speaker 2: people who talked about freedom were supporting lockdowns.
Speaker 1: You say yea.
Speaker 2: And those people who talked about science truth, were making
Speaker 2: claims that the only way to get out of this
Speaker 2: was you had to take the mRNA vaccine and you
Speaker 2: had to put people respirators.
Speaker 3: I was the only first one, the early one.
Speaker 2: Who said, gave a protocol as a scientist that the
Speaker 2: focus is the immune system. So when you take this
Speaker 2: system's approach, you see things as they are. This is
Speaker 2: why our movement in my work was always at the forefront.
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, we were the first ones to call out,
Speaker 2: you know, COVID. We were the first ones to expose
Speaker 2: the depths of election integrity. You know, it was like
Speaker 2: PhD level stuff we did. And we were the first ones,
Speaker 2: in our historic lawsuit to expose the fact that government
Speaker 2: has an unholy alliance in social media companies.
Speaker 3: We won our preliminating in junction.
Speaker 2: In our lawsuit, we exposed the hypocrisy of people like
Speaker 2: Elon Musk. You know where government ends and where Elon
Speaker 2: Musk begins. Nobody knows. So our movement has grown now
Speaker 2: because we have leaders all over the world. We ran
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen eighteen and we had a great meme
Speaker 2: if you remember, I may have it up here, which says,
Speaker 2: only the real Indian can defeat the fake Indian.
Speaker 3: And it was a picture of me and Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 2: Even though it was only seven or ten of us,
Speaker 2: we ended up getting about one hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 2: votes in Massachusetts, and we were the ones who forced
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren to take the DNA test. Not Trump, not
Speaker 2: Donald Trump Junior. But it was we had these signs, David,
Speaker 2: that went viral. We had magnet signs. I think thousands
Speaker 2: of them. I think I can show you a picture
Speaker 2: of them. That's okay, just to remind people of sort
Speaker 2: of the you know, there is a creativity to politics,
Speaker 2: and it's really an opportunity where real art can thrive,
Speaker 2: you know, you know where. So if I can share
Speaker 2: my screen, I think I can. I think I need
Speaker 2: to send a request. But anyway, the hatred against Elizabeth
Speaker 2: Warren was not an hatred against her individually, David. It
Speaker 2: was the fact that she represented a fake Indian. All
Speaker 2: these fake politicians who say one thing and do other,
Speaker 2: and Elizabeth Warren's case, it was very much more direct
Speaker 2: because she said she was a Native American and was not,
Speaker 2: and because of that, she got jobs a cozy tenured
Speaker 2: professorship at Harvard, and mind you, a professor at Harvard
Speaker 2: is like the brahmin of ancient India. They're the ones
Speaker 2: who control ideas. They make three to five million dollars
Speaker 2: a year, they get the best healthcare, they get free
Speaker 2: gym memberships, their kids get to go to school for free.
Speaker 2: And so it's quite hypocritical. So our slogan with my
Speaker 2: picture with Elizabeth Warren in a head dress, by the way,
Speaker 2: you could put Donald Trump in the same head dress.
Speaker 2: You could put Elon Musk in a same headdress Bernie Sanders.
Speaker 2: But at the depth of the subconscious, we were hitting
Speaker 2: something deep that these people don't work.
Speaker 1: That's right. And you know, really that wrote when she
Speaker 1: took that test, that really did hit home. I remember
Speaker 1: bablin Bee had a joke about it. They said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, Hollard Clinton did a test and she found
Speaker 1: out she had more lizard alien lizard DNA than Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Warren did. I repeated that joke and because of that
Speaker 1: I had The Daily Beast tried to get me thrown
Speaker 1: off of Twitter because the red the joke about that.
Speaker 1: They absolutely are humorless. It's funny how humorless they are.
Speaker 2: When these came out, David the they tried to tell
Speaker 2: me to take the signs off my bus. It went
Speaker 2: into a federal law suit and ended up winning it, okay,
Speaker 2: the city of Cambridge. But the reason I bring this
Speaker 2: up so that was twenty seventeen and eighteen. That was
Speaker 2: our first foray into our electoral politics. And I spent
Speaker 2: forty years of my life building movements. But the reason
Speaker 2: we decided to do that was we obviously knew that
Speaker 2: we had a very low chance of winning because the
Speaker 2: Democrats and Republicans control it, but we injected ourselves and
Speaker 2: it was a very successful work because we forced her
Speaker 2: to take the DNA test, We got on all these
Speaker 2: social media and platforms that we built this broad understanding,
Speaker 2: whether people knew it or not, about the.
Speaker 3: Hypocrisy of all these guys. So that was first phase.
Speaker 2: Phase two was we ran in twenty twenty as a Republican.
Speaker 2: As everyone said, oh, you were against Polkahontas, why don't
Speaker 2: you run as a Republican because they thought I must
Speaker 2: be a Republican, So we did. We gave the Republican
Speaker 2: Party in Massachusetts had an opportunity to have someone like me.
Speaker 2: Four degrees from MIT accomplished seven companies who came from
Speaker 2: a bottom built myself up, but the established in Republican
Speaker 2: Party in Massachusetts, which always works with the Democrats, had
Speaker 2: no interest in supporting me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, we raised closer to two million dollars in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: all one dollar, five dollars twenty dollars, predominantly donations, and
Speaker 2: we had three thousand volunteers. We had twenty five thousand
Speaker 2: lawn signs up, ten thousand bumperstercers.
Speaker 3: It was quite extraordinary. Every part of Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: You could not leave Massachusetts without receiving a doctor Shiva
Speaker 2: billboard on the major highways, etc.
Speaker 1: Here in Tennessee, when you ran for president, there were
Speaker 1: Shiva signs around here. We saw quit a few of them,
Speaker 1: you know, exactly.
Speaker 2: So that that shows David, not only the strength of
Speaker 2: people's affection towards our ideas, but the fact that we
Speaker 2: have people.
Speaker 3: On the ground all over the country that matter, all
Speaker 3: over the world.
Speaker 1: That's right, okay, And I like that what you've done
Speaker 1: to empower people and to get them to understand that
Speaker 1: it really is from the bottom up. And you know,
Speaker 1: Trump understands that. Then the establishment understands. That's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why Trump is so adamant that they're going
Speaker 1: to shut down any state or local regulation of AI.
Speaker 1: It's only going to be in one rule to rule us,
Speaker 1: all right, and that's going to come from him, and
Speaker 1: it's going to come from Washington. They're very afraid that
Speaker 1: when people see a problem, and they do see a problem,
Speaker 1: you know, they think most people don't buy into the
Speaker 1: climate change thing, but they do buy into the changes
Speaker 1: that AI could bring upon us, and they don't like it.
Speaker 1: They don't like the police state surveillance. Trump does, and
Speaker 1: so he wants to shut that down anybody pushing back
Speaker 1: against it, because that's where the real power is. The
Speaker 1: real power is from the bottom up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so if you look at the movements of
Speaker 2: the late eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds in the United States,
Speaker 2: there was these very bottoms up organic workers' movements, which
Speaker 2: they try to relabel as red scare communists.
Speaker 3: You see.
Speaker 2: So that's what McCarthyism did, right. These weren't movements controlled
Speaker 2: by Russia. They were organic American working class movements, and
Speaker 2: they're the reason America actually did become great during nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy too, I'm sorry, nineteen hundreds of nineteen seventy. As
Speaker 2: GDP grew, everyone's wages grew because the leechs were afraid
Speaker 2: that working class Americans would take to the streets. In fact,
Speaker 2: during that period, David, there were eleven thousand strikes, close
Speaker 2: to two hundred million people. Ordinary people wouldn't take bs right,
Speaker 2: they would ORGANI and these were organic move.
Speaker 1: We need to reclaim that. We got to reclaim that
Speaker 1: because they're going to do it to us right. Well,
Speaker 1: so what's going on now is incredible.
Speaker 2: So the right wing McCarthyite branded those movements as communists,
Speaker 2: hijacked the fact that four American workers were hanged in
Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds fighting for the eight hour work day,
Speaker 2: and that's why the international working class labeled that May
Speaker 2: Day wasn't a communist holiday. They so they essentially created
Speaker 2: this false narrative. So between nineteen fifty to seventy, the
Speaker 2: Democrats like Bernie Sanders and other left trade union top
Speaker 2: down people took over the unions and Wall Street was
Speaker 2: given to the right wing. So by nineteen seventy there
Speaker 2: is really no more fight anymore. They destroyed these bottoms
Speaker 2: up workers' movements between nineteen seventy till today, if you read.
Speaker 3: The Rand Report, they came out a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: As GDP has grown, the wages of the first and
Speaker 2: second income quartile of hard working Americans has gone down.
Speaker 2: And if you add it all up, if you do
Speaker 2: the calculus on it, between nineteen seventy till today, it
Speaker 2: adds up to forty seven trillion dollars of wealth has
Speaker 2: moved to Trump and Jared Kushner and Elon Musks, et cetera. So,
Speaker 2: but here's the interesting thing, David. The left will do
Speaker 2: half troops against the right, and the right will do
Speaker 2: half troops against the left.
Speaker 1: That's right. Or they'll say, what about the fact that
Speaker 1: these guys did what you're accusing me of doing, you know,
Speaker 1: and so I get a paths to do it. Now
Speaker 1: they set precedents for each other, right, It's like, but
Speaker 1: what about him, he did this crime because I get
Speaker 1: to do the same crime, you know.
Speaker 2: Right, So they have and so anything that they do
Speaker 2: that seems truthful is not truthful. It's basically to split
Speaker 2: the middle, which the middle works, which means working the
Speaker 2: middle class, working people actually work. Bernie Sanders has never worked.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has never really worked. Fucker excuse me, Tucker
Speaker 2: Carlson has never really worked. Okay, And if you look
Speaker 2: at these characters, Robert Kennedy Junior, as I call him,
Speaker 2: Booby Kennedy has never worked, AOC has never worked. So
Speaker 2: on the left and the right, you have these leaders
Speaker 2: who essentially had the birth lottery given to them. Even
Speaker 2: this guy, I'm Donnie. His mother is a very very
Speaker 2: famous Hollywood director. A lot of people don't know this.
Speaker 2: Mira and I are, and she directed her son.
Speaker 3: This was not something he organically came.
Speaker 1: Up central casting. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So the left and the right.
Speaker 2: Have spent a lot of effort in manipulating people to
Speaker 2: think that they are actually in some fight.
Speaker 3: So this image that I recently.
Speaker 2: Developed, I don't know if you do know I have
Speaker 2: a degree in graphic design, David says if I were, so,
Speaker 2: this image sort of captures our meime for twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six on my US Senate race.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the middle works.
Speaker 2: So yeah, even the fists, which was a left wing
Speaker 2: quote unquote theme, Trump started using the fist, if you noticed.
Speaker 2: So we're saying, let's give the middle and what do
Speaker 2: we mean by this? And you know this came to
Speaker 2: me actually in a dream on how to structure this.
Speaker 2: But it takes an effort to work on these kinds
Speaker 2: of graphics, you know. But we say the middle works,
Speaker 2: which means we work for a living, and we must
Speaker 2: the middle must rise. So we have all these workers
Speaker 2: rising up through the middle finger on the left of
Speaker 2: the donkey, fearing people rising aoc Mamdannie and Bernie, which
Speaker 2: are sort of the characters, the cast of characters who
Speaker 2: represent the left. And over you have I'd like to
Speaker 2: call him Efer Carlson, but I know you in respect
Speaker 2: to your so I won't do that. And you have
Speaker 2: a Booby Kennedy, and you have Trump and the elephant.
Speaker 2: Both the donkey and the elephant are fearful if someone
Speaker 2: like me, David, who actually comes from below right, that
Speaker 2: actually has built a movement a brand, even I mean,
Speaker 2: no one gave me doctor Shiva as a brand.
Speaker 3: See, this is the other thing.
Speaker 2: They don't want independent people getting limelight or getting fame because.
Speaker 3: They have to own even that.
Speaker 2: So when I exposed all this stuff in twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: the Backdoor Portal to Twitter, the COVID stuff, the election integrity.
Speaker 2: They created their own cast of characters two years later
Speaker 2: to literally plagiarize my material and they still do it
Speaker 2: today because they cannot give independence the limelight because they
Speaker 2: represent the people. So our view is the middle is rising,
Speaker 2: we must shatter the swarm. And what we are doing, David,
Speaker 2: is this meme is a very powerful meme because it
Speaker 2: goes to working people and saying, look, do you want
Speaker 2: to get over your own dysfunction? That's what our campaign's
Speaker 2: going to do. It's not about forget them. We know
Speaker 2: what they're doing. But when you have someone like me running,
Speaker 2: why aren't you getting off your butt and go to
Speaker 2: your neighbors and saying you got to vote for doctor
Speaker 2: Shiva Because it's not like they don't have a candidate anymore.
Speaker 2: So our campaign, I'm going to run, David, but I'm
Speaker 2: not going to run meaning the emphasis I'm going to
Speaker 2: do someone. And we have a lot of people say, oh,
Speaker 2: doctor Siva, you were great, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: doing those videos.
Speaker 3: Great, Now what are you going to do? It's right,
Speaker 3: don't just say you like my videos.
Speaker 2: There's four thousand of them, But are you going to
Speaker 2: go tell your neighbors to pledge their vote for me
Speaker 2: right now. So people go to Shiva Numero four Senate
Speaker 2: dot com. You'll see what we've done, David. People can
Speaker 2: go right now and pledge their vote for me now.
Speaker 2: We're not waiting to next year. So if you're listening
Speaker 2: and you have friends in Massachusetts, tell them to go
Speaker 2: pledge their vote. But not only that, tell them to
Speaker 2: go talk to their neighbors and their family and their friends.
Speaker 2: Everyone needs to be a microactivist. The old even me
Speaker 2: going out out of running. I mean, we did this right.
Speaker 2: We drove all around Massachusetts on our bus. We put
Speaker 2: up all these signs. It still was a set of us.
Speaker 2: The only way we working people can win is if
Speaker 2: it's a self organizing system, which is a principle of
Speaker 2: system science. If individuals on the node all say, hey,
Speaker 2: I like this guy, doctor Shiva. I know he's proven
Speaker 2: it's not My resume speaks for itself. David, you look
Speaker 2: at all these politicians. Let's look at if they have
Speaker 2: ever in their life solved a problem.
Speaker 1: We had had Trump who bankrupted six casinos exactly like that,
Speaker 1: so ultimate low achiever. He's even sued the people who
Speaker 1: wrote a book about him, who said lucky loser. They
Speaker 1: got a slot machine on the cover.
Speaker 3: I think one of his professors that.
Speaker 2: One of his professor's word and said he was a
Speaker 2: dumbest student you ever had. So what you're looking at
Speaker 2: is and Booby f and Kennedy. By the way, the
Speaker 2: way he applied to Harvard was just put his name
Speaker 2: the Hubris Yeah, and he gets in his thesis is
Speaker 2: completely written by his roommate who couldn't get girls. So
Speaker 2: the trade was he would get him girls and he
Speaker 2: wrote his thesis. So these people do not work, and
Speaker 2: you have to have a significant amount of hat trade
Speaker 2: and anger at them. But the more important thing, David,
Speaker 2: is what we want to educate people is why are
Speaker 2: you in this? Why are you letting the left and
Speaker 2: the right divide us? And this is a personal dysfunction
Speaker 2: people need to do reflection on. And so my job
Speaker 2: as an educator, as a you know, I think a
Speaker 2: penultimate candidate for Senate because I've.
Speaker 3: Worked my work to get here.
Speaker 2: So people now working people need to say, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: this is one of us.
Speaker 3: Why do I vote for the left or right? They
Speaker 3: need to do their.
Speaker 2: Own reflection and it's a one degree shift that needs
Speaker 2: to take place.
Speaker 1: And these people, you have, these people who the double
Speaker 1: thing that they're able to engage in is just amazing.
Speaker 1: That absolutely hate X or Y. Let's say they hate
Speaker 1: the vaccine, right, but they love the father of the vaccine.
Speaker 1: It's like, how can you not see this? I understand
Speaker 1: when it is sold to them by the people who
Speaker 1: make money by you know, peasing these people and by
Speaker 1: telling the group what they want to hear. But the
Speaker 1: group think is absolutely killing us.
Speaker 2: Well, the reason it's occurring, that's why this graphic is nice, David,
Speaker 2: because they have it down to a science. It's a
Speaker 2: psychological operation science. So Bernie Sanders or Mumdannie or AOC
Speaker 2: will attack these people as quote unquote zionists, okay. Or
Speaker 2: they will attack them and tell you guys are NEPO.
Speaker 3: Babies, right, which is true.
Speaker 2: And these guys on the right, you know, Trump will
Speaker 2: say Bernie and all these people just want.
Speaker 3: Free stuff, which is also true.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the reality is, Ma'm Donnie is not talking about
Speaker 2: like a worker's state, we're working people sees a means
Speaker 2: of power. He's talking about top down socialism, state capitalism,
Speaker 2: no different than what Trump wants, what he's doing with
Speaker 2: then video. Okay, that's why Trump and Mamdani meeting. I
Speaker 2: did a little blog posts on this and being chums
Speaker 2: in some sense.
Speaker 3: Each supporting each other.
Speaker 2: Reveals the fact that the economic conditions in the United
Speaker 2: States were working people have been devastated. So what the
Speaker 2: elites are doing is that entire scene in the White
Speaker 2: House was telling working people on the left and the right,
Speaker 2: don't worry, we have it under control. Trump and Mamdani
Speaker 2: are meeting together. They're all on the same team. You
Speaker 2: don't have to do anything. They'll take care of it.
Speaker 2: And this is why the middle is so important.
Speaker 1: Sure, the middle.
Speaker 2: Must rise up and from a philosophical, spiritual, whatever you
Speaker 2: want to talk about it. Our twenty twenty six campaign
Speaker 2: for you a Senate is going to be a very
Speaker 2: different campaign. We're going to ask the individual, oh, you
Speaker 2: support me, but what are you going to do?
Speaker 3: What are you going to do? And we're going to
Speaker 3: go to.
Speaker 2: All the working with people and say, look, you work
Speaker 2: for a living, they don't. Why do you give all
Speaker 2: your self respect to them? And I think this is
Speaker 2: if you study the psychology of abusive relationships, This is
Speaker 2: what happens. The abuser somehow brainwashes the abuse victim to
Speaker 2: keep coming back to them, you see, in all sorts
Speaker 2: of and so it's basically a mass abuser abuse victim relationship.
Speaker 3: That's what we're fundamentally dealing with.
Speaker 2: And the way they're able to get away with it, David,
Speaker 2: as this meme reflects, is one group says half truths
Speaker 2: against the other, and the other group says half truths
Speaker 2: against the other.
Speaker 3: So people are literally split.
Speaker 2: So Trump, the elites, the swarm, created Trump because they
Speaker 2: needed the white working class to have hope, because the
Speaker 2: same white working class at least sixty percent of them
Speaker 2: who voted for Trump and voted for Obama, and his
Speaker 2: thing was hope. Right, So they have this down to
Speaker 2: theatrical physics.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, we're supposed to believe. We're supposed to
Speaker 1: believe that Trump is a blue collar billionaire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or Tuler Carlson who wanted to be in the
Speaker 2: CIA is somehow come to some you know, holy revelation
Speaker 2: that he's fighting demons, as he says in his sleep,
Speaker 2: and now he wants to reveal truth. Well, the revelation
Speaker 2: of truth is not sufficient to change because now every
Speaker 2: grifter is exposing truth quote unquote truth. But none of
Speaker 2: them will ever ever, when it comes to talking about
Speaker 2: election integrity when I did all the.
Speaker 3: You know, breakthrough work, will ever.
Speaker 2: Mention my name when we were the one to expose
Speaker 2: a backdoor portal to Twitter and accept a few people
Speaker 2: like yourself and maybe Clayton Morris will say, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: he's the one who did the work. But they literally
Speaker 2: steal our truth that we expose because they don't want
Speaker 2: the limelight coming to working people like myself who do
Speaker 2: the hard work. People need to understand they do this
Speaker 2: consistently credit. They'll diminish you for saying, hey, I did
Speaker 2: that work. Oh why do you want credit?
Speaker 1: David?
Speaker 2: Why do you want But everything they do is about
Speaker 2: getting credit. The Trump is a brand. The Kennedys are
Speaker 2: a brand, and they spend billions of dollars creating their
Speaker 2: brand equity. Well, I created the doctor Shiva or truth
Speaker 2: for them help brand bottoms up. And that really pisses
Speaker 2: them off, David, because we understood their dynamics.
Speaker 3: And that's why in twenty twenty six our.
Speaker 2: Campaign in Massachusetts and I We're going to win this
Speaker 2: campaign because we're going to win it because the previous
Speaker 2: campaigns we're about exposing truth.
Speaker 3: But this time we're going to win this campaign.
Speaker 2: You know, ninety six percent of the youth under the
Speaker 2: age of twenty six in Massachusetts or independence now. Sixty
Speaker 2: five percent of people under the age of fifty five
Speaker 2: are independence now Massachusetts. The work that we did, lot
Speaker 2: of people moved to becoming independent. There's only nine percent
Speaker 2: Republicans and thirty five percent Democrats, so the majority is independence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they don't have a voice. So that's why the.
Speaker 2: Left and right create this fake dialectic to split the middle.
Speaker 2: And so I think the great thing with our campaign
Speaker 2: is we're going down to the heart the root cause
Speaker 2: of the issue. It's not them, it's us, David, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Why is it we remain abusive victims? Why do we
Speaker 2: listen to Tucker Carlson the idiot got twenty five million
Speaker 2: dollars working for Fox and suddenly he's become a truth teller.
Speaker 2: He didn't know anything about Israel for four to fifty
Speaker 2: years of his life.
Speaker 1: Suddenly, you know, or nine to eleven, you know, he
Speaker 1: shut down people when they wanted to show videos or
Speaker 1: what was happening in nine eleven, you know, and now
Speaker 1: I hear he's going to do some kind of a
Speaker 1: nine to eleven documentary and reinvent himself. But right, well,
Speaker 1: what never came out. All he said was, Hey, if
Speaker 1: you talk about Building seven, they'll fire you, so I
Speaker 1: won't talk about it.
Speaker 2: So who's control Marco disclosure of this movie about the UFOs?
Speaker 2: Right with Marco Rubio? I mean, anything Mark or Rubio
Speaker 2: is involved with is a joke. Okay, the guy is
Speaker 2: a joke. But anyway, they have gotten very clever with
Speaker 2: these cast of characters. And that is why our campaign
Speaker 2: is going to take all the learnings, all the work
Speaker 2: we've done and focus on the singular point. Do you
Speaker 2: want to save yourself period to the individual? And why
Speaker 2: do you give up your self respect to these fools
Speaker 2: who say one thing and do another.
Speaker 3: They're all fake Indians?
Speaker 1: That's right, right, Well, I think it's really coming. There
Speaker 1: is coming to a head now because I don't know
Speaker 1: if you are familiar with the work of Strauss and
Speaker 1: how in the Fourth Turning, but I really do believe
Speaker 1: the research they had has a lot of validity in
Speaker 1: it that we have the cyclical thing and you can
Speaker 1: see the institutions and the corruption that is there. You
Speaker 1: see the economic issues and the fact that all these
Speaker 1: different countries are trying to find or wherever they can
Speaker 1: get it to distract the people at home because they
Speaker 1: know that they're at war with people at home. So
Speaker 1: let's get them focused on something over here where we
Speaker 1: can all unite and they can cheer and get behind us.
Speaker 1: But you know, they're talking about how there was an
Speaker 1: MIT study saying they could replace and I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's true or not, they could replace a little
Speaker 1: over twelve percent of the workforce right now with AI.
Speaker 1: If they do Yeah, if they do that, that's going
Speaker 1: to be instant depression. You know, that was most of
Speaker 1: the depression. We had about a fourteen fifteen percent unemployment rate.
Speaker 1: They could do that just like you know, the drop
Speaker 1: of a hat if they wanted to, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if the AI really works all that well, they
Speaker 1: could still fire you. You know. So people are looking
Speaker 1: at this, and when Huang in video went to went
Speaker 1: to d C, people are talking to him. He says, yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody says it's going to take your job. No, you're
Speaker 1: going to work harder, You're going to have a job,
Speaker 1: and you're going to work harder, so we go back
Speaker 1: forget about the eight hour day, Right, that's what these
Speaker 1: guys would like to do. I guess it's take us back.
Speaker 3: That is, well, I think, what's going to happen? Well,
Speaker 3: what's going to happen?
Speaker 1: David?
Speaker 3: I don't know, if you know.
Speaker 2: I have the three earliest patents in tech based AI
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety three that I use for a company.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting, right when those patents expired a few
Speaker 2: months later is when CHUTCHPT came. Okay, but anyway, so
Speaker 2: I know a little bit. I was in this field
Speaker 2: for twenty years. So when you look at AI, you know,
Speaker 2: as a senator for example, one of the laws that
Speaker 2: people should think about is this, you have private companies
Speaker 2: over here creating technologies to suck human knowledge and instantiate
Speaker 2: it into a machine.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: The most of the AI requires what's called supervised learning,
Speaker 2: so you have to give it information. So they have
Speaker 2: people in Africa watching images and deciding what kind of
Speaker 2: image it is, and eventually those people don't be needed.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's called the training set. Okay.
Speaker 2: So the interesting question, and I think only someone like
Speaker 2: me could even bring this up because I understand the
Speaker 2: bridge of team technology, politics and engineering is so if
Speaker 2: you are a worker doing some task, Okay, let's say
Speaker 2: a radiologist and a machine which is a private company's
Speaker 2: watching your diagnosis. It's getting all that information and it's
Speaker 2: going into this private company's database.
Speaker 3: Eventually the radiologists will not be needed.
Speaker 2: Okay, the radiologists was hired you know x salary for
Speaker 2: a per hour.
Speaker 3: It was not given.
Speaker 2: Any He will never be given any royalty or ip
Speaker 2: for his knowledge that was taken from his brain. So I,
Speaker 2: for example, first of all, educate people like I'm doing
Speaker 2: right now. But more importantly, if knowledge is taken from
Speaker 2: a human being and put into a private company, no
Speaker 2: compensation is made. You could argue that private company owns
Speaker 2: a royalty stream to those individuals. For that matter, to
Speaker 2: all of us. You know, when Google is looking at
Speaker 2: all of our searches, because there a few of them
Speaker 2: are monopolies, we are not, as humans being compensated for
Speaker 2: the knowledge that they're taking from us.
Speaker 3: Now, you could say to Google, if you.
Speaker 2: Have a web page, I don't want my web page index,
Speaker 2: which means you'll never show up, so they force you
Speaker 2: to give your knowledge to them, and there's no consideration
Speaker 2: given to you for exchange of this value. So there's
Speaker 2: a fundamental issue here, and this is happening in the
Speaker 2: arts right. Most of these, you know, besides the A
Speaker 2: list actors who are also selling their rights by them,
Speaker 2: and they will get compensated. The majority of us who
Speaker 2: are working today, there is no fundamental structure to compensate
Speaker 2: you for the fact that random private companies funded by
Speaker 2: Silicon Valley are vacuuing up your brain and you are
Speaker 2: not going to be compensated for that. So this is
Speaker 2: there has to be some compensatory relief for that, because
Speaker 2: it was your knowledge that trained these systems. You know,
Speaker 2: when I used to I created a technology years ago
Speaker 2: for automatically reading an email separate from the invention of email,
Speaker 2: analyzing it, and routing it. So we were actually used
Speaker 2: to watch the call center reps how they treated an email.
Speaker 2: Our systems would learn so instead of doing six emails
Speaker 2: per hour or call center representative could do forty emails.
Speaker 3: Okay, So AI.
Speaker 2: Can be used as a significant adjunct to obviously creating
Speaker 2: more productivity, but the elites don't care about that. They're
Speaker 2: not going to say, okay, we have one hundred workers,
Speaker 2: we're going to put in AI what they're and then
Speaker 2: we're going to basically the ideal model would be you
Speaker 2: compensate people fairly, but maybe they don't have to work
Speaker 2: four days a week. May I have a five days
Speaker 2: a week. Maybe they work three days a week because
Speaker 2: their knowledge was used to train those systems. Instead, what
Speaker 2: they'll do is fire eighty percent of the workforce and
Speaker 2: have remaining twenty percent working three times more.
Speaker 1: That's right, you're saying, Yeah, so that's one kind of
Speaker 1: what Disney did when they brought in the H one
Speaker 1: B VISA people. They said, well, you know, we'll give
Speaker 1: you a little bit more severance pay if you train replacement,
Speaker 1: you know. And that's really what was happening across the
Speaker 1: board with artificial intelligence. As you point out, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did a podcast years and years ago explaining, look,
Speaker 2: AI is not machine AI. AI existed the instant that
Speaker 2: Henry Ford created the manufacturing line.
Speaker 3: Okay, that was AI.
Speaker 2: He took a very complex process of creating a car,
Speaker 2: he made it into a you know, individual task based process,
Speaker 2: and then he put these carbon based beings along that manufacturer,
Speaker 2: some of them just screwed.
Speaker 3: On a bolt. Others put on the windshield wiper.
Speaker 2: That was AI because you took human creative intelligence and
Speaker 2: localized it into doing one task. Now, if you remove
Speaker 2: the carbon based being and you put a silicon base being,
Speaker 2: that's still AI. You see what I'm saying. So people
Speaker 2: need to understand that from the aspect of productivity, which
Speaker 2: has been explosively growing. You know, capitalism has done that
Speaker 2: as a goal of capitalism is to maximize profit. Labor
Speaker 2: is the biggest expense in that formula. So you're trying
Speaker 2: to reduce labor, which you're trying to increase productivity. But
Speaker 2: the promise of that was not that you would lay
Speaker 2: off everyone. Right as productivity increased, the massive human workers
Speaker 2: should be able to work less hours.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Instead, the model that came.
Speaker 2: From crony capitalism was you lay off eighty percent of
Speaker 2: the people and then twenty percent are working harder.
Speaker 3: And that's what's going to happen with AI.
Speaker 2: So if you can learn how to use AI, well
Speaker 2: you don't need a certain set of low level workers.
Speaker 2: But whenever new technologies come David, the legislators in Congress
Speaker 2: were basically dumb doorknobs, will always get manipulated, in this
Speaker 2: case by Silicon Valley. So for example, I know this personally.
Speaker 2: You know, when I invented email back in seventy eight,
Speaker 2: there were no laws to patent software because the idiots
Speaker 2: in Congress thought software was a movie script.
Speaker 3: You were writing something.
Speaker 2: So the problem is when you have idiots who don't
Speaker 2: create or in the political process, they can get manipulated
Speaker 2: by others.
Speaker 3: Who's only nineteen ninety four? Could you patent software?
Speaker 2: In nineteen eighty the Computer Software Act allowed you to
Speaker 2: use copyright law to protect software, which is what I did.
Speaker 2: But the point is when you have morons who have
Speaker 2: never created anything right, very different than the founders.
Speaker 3: You know, they actually architects.
Speaker 2: So when you are with your hands doing something, you
Speaker 2: are much more fair in the laws that you want
Speaker 2: to create, and you're thinking into the future. I mean,
Speaker 2: the founders were thinking tw hundred, three hundred years ahead
Speaker 2: because they were creators. But if you look at the
Speaker 2: resume of ninety nine percent of the people in Congress
Speaker 2: or Senate, and every one should do this. This is
Speaker 2: to working people listening, Why are you electing these idiots?
Speaker 2: Ask yourself when they say I will solve this problem. Well,
Speaker 2: have you ever solved the problem? Show me one problem
Speaker 2: you solved. I will fix this. Have they ever fixed anything?
Speaker 2: I will create this? Have they ever created anything? And
Speaker 2: I think it's time people take this approach. And the
Speaker 2: fact that people don't take that approach, David again, it
Speaker 2: comes down to a dysfunction among the broad mass of
Speaker 2: people who have been manipulated to think Tucker Carlson making
Speaker 2: his grimaces and faces has some authority to talk about anything. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean he hasn't earned that right. I'm sorry you
Speaker 2: didn't put into freaking time. Or Bernie Sanders talking about
Speaker 2: how he cares about working people, You've never worked it
Speaker 2: in your life. So I think it's really important that
Speaker 2: working people derives some self respect for themselves. And it's
Speaker 2: like the slaves have forgotten they're the ones who are
Speaker 2: doing all the work.
Speaker 1: That's right, right, So the.
Speaker 2: Slaves need to wake up and want to save themselves,
Speaker 2: want to have leaders come from there will be leaders.
Speaker 2: But why are you electing leaders who have nothing to
Speaker 2: do with you, who don't even want to be with you,
Speaker 2: who have great disdain for you? Why are you doing that?
Speaker 2: And that's because you're in an abusive relationship. Right, And
Speaker 2: this is I think, very very deeply a fundamental issue
Speaker 2: that people need to reflect on. And that's why in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty sixth David, I'm not going to run around.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to do all the work. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: people want me. You're going to have to do the work.
Speaker 1: That's right. So yeah, And that's a message that people
Speaker 1: only need to hear because the plan, and they keep
Speaker 1: telling us this is a plan. They want to pacify us.
Speaker 1: You know, well, hey, you know, you can have a
Speaker 1: job if you want to, but you don't really need to.
Speaker 1: Well give you everything that you need. And he's just
Speaker 1: kind of like having a garden, right, You don't really
Speaker 1: need to have a garden. You can go down and
Speaker 1: buy all the food you want at the grocery store.
Speaker 1: But if you will have a garden because that's something
Speaker 1: you want to do, that's fine. It's a hobby. So
Speaker 1: you can have some hobbies. But we're going to put
Speaker 1: you on universal basic welfare and all the money is
Speaker 1: going to be made by us. And at the same
Speaker 1: time he's doing that, Musk is saying at the same
Speaker 1: time he wants to have all the money in the
Speaker 1: world that belongs to him. He's saying, well, money's not
Speaker 1: going to mean anything, right.
Speaker 3: Well, where must go from? Where did must come from? David?
Speaker 2: He came from apartheid South Africa. Yeah, where they had
Speaker 2: three percent of the population having ninety seven percent do
Speaker 2: all the mining for emeralds, diamonds, jewels, et cetera.
Speaker 1: Right, that's right.
Speaker 2: So that's where Musk comes from, and he needs to
Speaker 2: justify his own legacy of exploitation.
Speaker 3: Right, It's not like he's concerned for humanity.
Speaker 2: The reality is when you look at the aspect of
Speaker 2: you know, AI and what can happen, he has no
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: When he says everyone's gonna doesn't have to work. Let
Speaker 3: me put it to you this way.
Speaker 2: This is what the quote unquote white man did the
Speaker 2: Native Americans. You don't have to work. We're going to
Speaker 2: put you on reservations. What's now happened is that we
Speaker 2: have a decentralized reservation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly the average. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so seventy percent of people are basically living hand
Speaker 2: to mouth, right. I think eighty percent of Americans may
Speaker 2: have one thousand dollars in savings for rainy day. They
Speaker 2: are all exposed to some type of substance abuse cannabis,
Speaker 2: which is, by the way, not a harmless drug, and
Speaker 2: we can do a whole discussion on that, Okay, I agree,
Speaker 2: or alcohol or smoking, right, I.
Speaker 1: Don't supporting that. I just I'm against the drug war.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you go back to the Indian reservation,
Speaker 1: I think that really is the model that they've got.
Speaker 1: That's a model. In that particular case, these people who
Speaker 1: supported themselves by hunting and gathering or whatever it was
Speaker 1: that they were doing, and they took that away from
Speaker 1: them by force to put them into this container with us.
Speaker 1: For the most part, they're doing it with a program
Speaker 1: of pacification, you know, like you would domesticate a wild
Speaker 1: wolf or something. You feed them until they become dependent
Speaker 1: on you. And yet they will go to the next level.
Speaker 1: That's only going to get a certain percentage of people.
Speaker 1: As you point out, it's decentralized. It's everywhere the control
Speaker 1: of centralized. But yeah, and so they'll be able to
Speaker 1: have a situation where if you don't toe the line,
Speaker 1: we're going to cut you off from everything, and if
Speaker 1: you do toe the line, we'll give you all the
Speaker 1: free stuff. I mean, that's what Bill Gates is doing
Speaker 1: in India with the Adhar system. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: poor and you're reliant on a handout from the government,
Speaker 1: that's fine. We'll give it to as long as you
Speaker 1: take the number. If you need healthcare, we'll give it
Speaker 1: to as long as you take the number. But that
Speaker 1: allows us to control you, to inventory you, and to
Speaker 1: know everything that you're doing. We'll let you walk around freely,
Speaker 1: but you won't be able to do anything if you
Speaker 1: don't take a system that we're imposing on you. And
Speaker 1: so that's kind of the model.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, So in the United States now, it was interesting.
Speaker 2: There's a butcher over here that I went to a
Speaker 2: young guy and he said that, you know, he said,
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of bitcoin.
Speaker 3: This is like several years ago.
Speaker 2: And I saw him a couple of weeks ago and
Speaker 2: he said, oh, I sold all my bitcoin. And I said,
Speaker 2: how many did you have? He goes, oh, I had
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty. I go, but how many did
Speaker 2: you sell?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Twenty? I go, what happened to your other two undred
Speaker 3: and sixty?
Speaker 2: He goes, oh, I got into on these online gambling
Speaker 2: crypto sites and I lost two un in sixty Wow. Okay,
Speaker 2: so basically lost twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So they have the slaves gambling on drugs, right and
Speaker 2: encouraging them not to work.
Speaker 3: That's a reservation, that's right, And this is happening.
Speaker 2: So you talked about the AUDAR system in India which
Speaker 2: is actually implemented and by another scumbag called Nandan Nila Khane.
Speaker 3: He's the one who actually developed it.
Speaker 2: Okay, originally he was brought in by the former Prime
Speaker 2: minister to do it. But they have China being the
Speaker 2: Petrie dish for balance, right, and they have India being
Speaker 2: the Petrie dish for getting everyone on a card. And
Speaker 2: how you incentivize people not to work. Look thirty years
Speaker 2: ago in India.
Speaker 1: The kind of beta test sites, you know.
Speaker 2: Their beta test sites, right, mass populations, So you know,
Speaker 2: if you it's very hard to get laborers to do
Speaker 2: anything in India now because this AUDAR system gives everyone
Speaker 2: a free TV, free laptops, free food, so people.
Speaker 3: Are working, like, why the hell do I need to work?
Speaker 1: That's what's heard me so much about the lockdowns. I
Speaker 1: saw that as a Overton window normalization of this very
Speaker 1: type of thing, and I was surprised. You know, when
Speaker 1: they locked everybody down, everybody's going to take the handout
Speaker 1: and then they get used to it just like that,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean it was it just took a
Speaker 1: hold of them. They didn't push back, guess at all.
Speaker 2: So what's really interesting, David, I don't know if you
Speaker 2: ever got on safari in Africa? Have you done that? No, Well,
Speaker 2: it's an interesting thing. I went once. And you're sitting
Speaker 2: there and you're seeing all these animals, right, lion, right,
Speaker 2: and you see these monkeys, right, and they're living among
Speaker 2: each other and they're scratching, you know, whatever fleas off them.
Speaker 3: But they're living in this environment. And you think about
Speaker 3: the fact that we as.
Speaker 2: Humans at one time lived in very basic conditions, right,
Speaker 2: living off the land, you know, very simple stuff. And
Speaker 2: I think the swarm knows this that they could keep
Speaker 2: diminishing the infrastructure and people live with less and less
Speaker 2: and less, so right, like you could theoretically just live
Speaker 2: in the woods, right, you know, learn how to kill
Speaker 2: in it. I mean, you could go to that level
Speaker 2: of you could say I'm living off the land, but
Speaker 2: you could go to that level. So I think the
Speaker 2: elites have done their calculus, and they know that the
Speaker 2: bottom is pretty low. So you see in San Francisco
Speaker 2: people are shitting on the streets. Yeah right, So I
Speaker 2: think a lot of very dumb activists and this is
Speaker 2: the demortalization that's taken place to not build the bottoms
Speaker 2: of that movement. They'll say, oh, doctor Shiva, your movement
Speaker 2: won't be sick stuff with you. You have to wait
Speaker 2: until there's a cataclysm, then people rise them.
Speaker 3: It's actually not true.
Speaker 2: When a cataclysm occurs, people go to a new state
Speaker 2: of oppression and a newer state.
Speaker 3: In a newer state, So if you're if you ever
Speaker 3: go to Indo, you'll.
Speaker 2: See on a highway ride down Delhi guy taking a
Speaker 2: shower and pooping on the streets. And you'll see a
Speaker 2: guy like Thembani's and Bombay right who live in a
Speaker 2: billion dollar skyscraper. So the elites know that the human
Speaker 2: mind can be manipulated. So putting people on UBI is
Speaker 2: going to be the squeeze. So I think it's going
Speaker 2: to be a slow squeeze. They're not just going to
Speaker 2: go kill people. You're gonna get twenty million jobs off AI.
Speaker 2: Put them on reservations, let them get drunk, let them
Speaker 2: eat crappy food and they're just slowly going to die off.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, that's right, And.
Speaker 3: That's what they did with the Native Americans, right.
Speaker 2: Right, So that model, I think has been mapped out
Speaker 2: in some wonderful spreadsheet created by you know whoever. Right, So,
Speaker 2: I think these guys are very clever and the only
Speaker 2: way out of this is us building a bottom of
Speaker 2: that movement. Now, intellectuals like.
Speaker 1: And if we wait for a crisis like you're talking about.
Speaker 1: That was what surprised me about the lockdowns and stuff
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. I thought, Okay, they're going to change
Speaker 1: things rapidly enough, and they're changing them very rapidly. It's
Speaker 1: going to wake people up, you know, the whole bowlt
Speaker 1: boiling frogs thing. And yet when they sped up the change,
Speaker 1: it didn't wake people up. And I thought, wow, no, no,
Speaker 1: because this is this erroneous theory. Yeah, forward, oppression will
Speaker 1: somehow give a rise. Oppression oppresses that's rights. Oppression doesn't
Speaker 1: lead to liberation. So they have a set of fake.
Speaker 2: Activists telling people that's why they do all the doomsday stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh Wall Street's going to crash tomorrow. Well, and then
Speaker 2: people will rise up. It's nonsense. You have to build.
Speaker 2: Change is not something spontaneous. Change must be organized, It
Speaker 2: must be built bottoms up. You have to have the
Speaker 2: right theory. You have to write like anything. I mean,
Speaker 2: this iphoned didn't just pop out of it nowhere, right, right,
Speaker 2: Someone had to think about it, apply the physics, the chemistry,
Speaker 2: the material science to make it. So this is what
Speaker 2: they don't want intellectuals. So intellectuals are interesting, David. You
Speaker 2: could say I'm an intellectual, right, you're an intellectual now.
Speaker 2: Intellectuals are interesting in the sense they're not a class.
Speaker 2: You know, the swarm gave me the opportunity to go
Speaker 2: to MIT to learn this shit, right, But I could
Speaker 2: easily have taken my weaponry of the intellectual knowledge I
Speaker 2: got and been on Wall Street working at a hedge
Speaker 2: fund doing nonlineary dynamic equations.
Speaker 3: Or I could say, you know what, I don't really
Speaker 3: want to do that.
Speaker 2: I actually want to learn how to shadow the swarm
Speaker 2: the system's dynamics. So there was a time at the
Speaker 2: time of let's say there were revolution of the Renaissance,
Speaker 2: where intellectuals made conscious decisions, who do they want to
Speaker 2: serve the majority of intellectuals in academia are practice the
Speaker 2: oldest profession of the world right now, that right, so
Speaker 2: there's not so we have to actually go among working
Speaker 2: people and give them the knowledge.
Speaker 3: And that's what we're doing with our movement.
Speaker 2: So we trained them on the same advanced system science
Speaker 2: that you would learn as a pe.
Speaker 1: Because I really that's what I really like about your
Speaker 1: movements and about your campaigns. Your campaigns are way to
Speaker 1: pull people around, organize them and give them the real
Speaker 1: tools and the perspective that they need to actually activate them.
Speaker 1: And that's what that's really about. That is so much
Speaker 1: more important than the elections. But again, when people are
Speaker 1: paying attention to what's going on at least a little bit,
Speaker 1: that you can grab those people who are at least
Speaker 1: looking around and seeing the things that are out there
Speaker 1: and then focus them on getting actively involved themselves. And
Speaker 1: that's why that is so important. Well, we're out of time,
Speaker 1: but thank you so much for coming on, doctor Shiva,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you more about this. Shiva the
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Speaker 1: show people how they can get involved and they can
Speaker 1: learn about the swarm and how they can start to
Speaker 1: take control of this process instead of being controlled by it.
Speaker 1: We need to be histories actors. That's what Carl Rovius
Speaker 1: to mock us and say, well, you're just watching what
Speaker 1: we're doing. Where the people are actually doing it, you
Speaker 1: can be the people who are actually doing it. That's
Speaker 1: the message from doctor Shiva. Thank you so much, Lushe David,
Speaker 1: thank you, and it sounds like the clown car is
Speaker 1: there for you and thank you. Bye bye, Thanks everybody,
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Speaker 1: They created common Core, dumbed down our children. They created
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