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<v Speaker 1>Hey, thirty fifty five KRCD Talk Station Final Online Daniel

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<v Speaker 1>Davis Deep Dive. Just search that you'll run right into

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<v Speaker 1>my next guest. Every Tuesday we get a deep dive

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<v Speaker 1>with Daniel Davis, retired Lieutenant Colonel Dan Davis. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the fifty five carse Morning Show, my friend. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure to have you back on. Always a pleasure

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. Thanks Brian Hey, real quick man, I

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<v Speaker 1>knocked an eye. I don't have a bucket list, but

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<v Speaker 1>if I had one, what I did yesterday would have

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<v Speaker 1>been on it.

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<v Speaker 2>I took a day off.

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<v Speaker 1>I was invited out to Camp Adderbury in Indiana, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to train with Navy Seal Teams two

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<v Speaker 1>and three, at least some of the members, twelve or

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen of them were there, and we shot on a

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<v Speaker 1>range fifty BMGs and for the first time of my life,

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<v Speaker 1>I was able to shoot beyond I think my the

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<v Speaker 1>farthest distance I've ever shot on a range that was

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<v Speaker 1>probably like three hundred yards. I was hitting them at

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen hundred yards. We were using oh I yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>We were using MK two eleven rounds, the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>explode the explosive fifty col rounds, so there was no

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<v Speaker 1>doubt in your mind when you hit the target because it.

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<v Speaker 2>Would literally blow up. I had the best time.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Those guys are awesome, those Sealed Team guys. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if we had, if our American military was

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<v Speaker 1>filled with the guys that I met yesterday, we'd have

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<v Speaker 1>nothing to worry about.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I mean a lot of people go to

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<v Speaker 3>Hawaii or Europe for vacation and you go military training.

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<v Speaker 2>So, wow, you're really dedicated. Oh I was. No.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just I got a good friend. I'm lucky to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the position I'm in that I got invited

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<v Speaker 1>to this because I have a retired lieutenant colonel who

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<v Speaker 1>is a sniper trainer, and he was there apparently trained

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<v Speaker 1>you pretty good. Oh my god, it was amazing what

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<v Speaker 1>I learned yesterday. Anyway, I had to get that out

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<v Speaker 1>of my system because some of my listeners don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why I went a vacation and I took a vacation day.

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<v Speaker 1>It was awesome anyway. Sadly timing terrible because of the

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<v Speaker 1>most recent assassination attempt on Trump, but we don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on that today. With Daniel Davis want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Putin and apparently you're mentioning that he has

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<v Speaker 1>increased his army size though one and a half million.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw Wall Street Journal article today and again the

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<v Speaker 1>fog of war is acknowledged, but headline one million are

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<v Speaker 1>now dead or injured in the Russia Ukraine war. So

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<v Speaker 1>frightening figures in that journal reporting. Yeah, and that's a

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<v Speaker 1>little odd.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you. I'm not sure where they get their

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<v Speaker 2>numbers from.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, you know, because because nobody neither side, of course,

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<v Speaker 3>publishes real numbers, they and then they both exaggerate the

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<v Speaker 3>opposite side numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, most of the West.

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<v Speaker 3>I was looking for some information early this morning before

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<v Speaker 3>we came on and see a lot of the Western

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<v Speaker 3>people saying, oh, yeah, Russia loses about a thousand people

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<v Speaker 3>every day they do these meat grinder attacks. By some accounts,

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<v Speaker 3>they say they've lost six hundred thousand dead on the

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<v Speaker 3>Russian side, and you know, and I just keep scratching

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<v Speaker 3>my head. I'm like, one, where where are you guys looking?

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<v Speaker 3>Because I see no actual evidence of meat grinder attack?

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<v Speaker 3>So cold word base you just flood the zone with

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<v Speaker 3>troops and they just get slaughter, but they keep coming, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see any evidence.

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<v Speaker 3>So in fact, it's the evidence of the contrary that

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<v Speaker 3>Russia is the reason why they've been making such methodical

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<v Speaker 3>progress over this entire calendar year has been because they

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to put their troops at risk, so they're

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<v Speaker 3>heavy with firepower, and then only after they've destroyed a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of the fortifications, etc. Then they bring in the

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<v Speaker 3>troops lower to move forward. Well, that tells you right

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<v Speaker 3>there that the firepower is five or ten to one

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<v Speaker 3>in favor of the Russians in certain parts of the front.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they want to claim.

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<v Speaker 3>That the casualty counts are the inverse, that Russia has

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<v Speaker 3>ten times more than Ukraine, which just doesn't make any

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<v Speaker 3>sense at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not rational.

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<v Speaker 3>So I doubt that it's true, because if Russia was

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<v Speaker 3>suffering that many casualties.

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<v Speaker 2>They wouldn't be continuing to move. But the other side

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<v Speaker 2>does seem to be working that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, they acknowledge the sort of what you and

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<v Speaker 1>I are I call the fog of war numbers here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's the one million reference is collectively both sides,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's killed or wounded, and you and I both

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<v Speaker 1>know there's a whole lot of wounded people in any

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<v Speaker 1>combat situation, so just the numbers are just crazy. So

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<v Speaker 1>where where are we on this? I would love to

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<v Speaker 1>have some definitive understanding of where the United States thinks

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to take this, because I'm becoming less and

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<v Speaker 1>less convinced this is a worthy exercise, just because of

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<v Speaker 1>the reality that there's a finite number of Ukrainians fighting

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<v Speaker 1>this battle, and we can give them all the weapons

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<v Speaker 1>in the world, but if they don't have people to

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<v Speaker 1>fight against the Russians and they're increasing army size, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's simply a battle of attrition for the Russians to win, right, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It really.

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<v Speaker 2>Does come down to that simple.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's other things involved, but the fundamental you

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<v Speaker 3>just mentioned is almost ironclad, especially in the history of warfare,

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<v Speaker 3>and just in the logic of this war.

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<v Speaker 2>You can look look at it when the Russian side

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<v Speaker 2>has somewhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Around thirty million more men of military age that they

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<v Speaker 3>can draw and then the Ukraine side does. If you

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<v Speaker 3>get into a war of attrition, which we are definitely in,

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<v Speaker 3>then the side with the most inputs is the one

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<v Speaker 3>that's gonna win. So if you have more men, if

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<v Speaker 3>you have more ammunition, and if you have more industrial capacity,

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<v Speaker 3>unless you just decide to quit one day, and neither

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<v Speaker 3>side is because both sides are viciously committed to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Then you see that one point or another, then the

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<v Speaker 3>weight of all the inputs are certainly going to wear

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<v Speaker 3>down the other side. And that's exactly what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 3>on the front line. Now here's my big problem. I

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<v Speaker 3>wish you were in the White House, because if the

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<v Speaker 3>person in the White House came to the same logical

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<v Speaker 3>conclusion you did, then this would probably be getting wrapped up. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>we are right on the threshold of potentially escalating the

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<v Speaker 3>war because Zelensky is pleading and begging and cajoling trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get long range weapons from the US, France and Britain,

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<v Speaker 3>and the Russian side has said in the most emphatic

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<v Speaker 3>terms they have.

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<v Speaker 2>In the entire war that if you.

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<v Speaker 3>Use long range weapons systems in our country and in

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<v Speaker 3>the depth of our country, then we're going to say

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<v Speaker 3>that is the direct involvement of the NATO countries and

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<v Speaker 3>we will take appropriate countermeasures.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know I've been seeing it all.

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<v Speaker 3>Over the net that all these experts in the Western

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<v Speaker 3>A saying he's just bluffing, he's never gonna do that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm telling you there is no reason to risk

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<v Speaker 3>finding out if that's true or not if he's going

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<v Speaker 3>to expand because look, those things, those missiles, they won't

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<v Speaker 3>change anything. There's not enough of them. It would take

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<v Speaker 3>months long, sustained long range bombing campaign to have a

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<v Speaker 3>difference at the front line.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't have that many missiles.

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary of Defense last week admitted, we don't have that

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<v Speaker 3>many attackums missiles. So why start something that could spawn

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<v Speaker 3>an expanded war if it can't even help all the way?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, doubling down on what you just said, going back

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<v Speaker 1>to my time yesterday at camp out and spending time

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<v Speaker 1>with men in uniform, we're short on all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>military equipment.

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<v Speaker 2>It's across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>We are in a sorry state in terms of preparedness

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the conclusion that I reached.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that certainly matches what I'm seeing elsewhere too. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>not only are we sending all this stuff to Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 3>we're also sending just huge planeloads of shiploads of stuff

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<v Speaker 3>to Israel almost on a daily basis, not almost on

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<v Speaker 3>a daily basis, And at the same time the Congress

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<v Speaker 3>is saying, yea, let's send more stuff out to the

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<v Speaker 3>Indo Pacific in Taiwan as well, And you just have

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<v Speaker 3>to ask the question. We can't even recruit enough people

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<v Speaker 3>to man all of our ships in the Navy. We're

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<v Speaker 3>having to decommissionships because we don't have enough troops and

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<v Speaker 3>we don't have enough ammunition of various categories. While you're

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<v Speaker 3>just giving it out to everybody and risking war with Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>But Brian, I'm just telling you.

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<v Speaker 3>If you succeeded and we actually got into a war

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<v Speaker 3>with Russia because of this situation here, we don't have

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<v Speaker 3>the men, we don't have the material, we don't have

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<v Speaker 3>the industrial capacity to fight sustained.

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<v Speaker 2>War air go.

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<v Speaker 3>We could lose a war if we fought against the

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<v Speaker 3>Russia or China right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the harsh truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, in two real quick observations. In order for Ukrainians

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<v Speaker 1>should they get long range missiles, I think Putin is

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<v Speaker 1>kind of on the right track because I believe you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to confirm what I'm going to say here.

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<v Speaker 1>To operate those long range missiles requires technology links to

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<v Speaker 1>secure systems that the Ukrainians do not have access to

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<v Speaker 1>and do not know how to use, so it require

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<v Speaker 1>American direct involvement to be able to launch and hit

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<v Speaker 1>targets in Russia.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I right on that?

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<v Speaker 3>That's why Putin made that comment last Friday. He expressly

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<v Speaker 3>acknowledged that, and then subsequently you've had senior British and

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<v Speaker 3>American officials acknowledged that's true. So yes, it's not just

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<v Speaker 3>misinformation by the Russian side, it's acknowledged by our side

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<v Speaker 3>and self evidently true.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel David, Steve Daiber. I wish we had longer to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>We are sadly out of time. Always enjoy these conversations,

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<v Speaker 1>as troubling as they may be for some of my listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>this is just the carshold harshold reality that we're dealing with,

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody needs a plan to get this done and

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<v Speaker 1>over with because I think, you know, it wouldn't just

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<v Speaker 1>be Vladimir Putin's army. The second point I want to make,

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<v Speaker 1>they are joining forces and working collectively with the Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>and other enemy powers of ours, so.

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<v Speaker 2>We would be in a real big shoo career.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right, Daniel Davis, deep dive search

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<v Speaker 1>for them online. You'll run right into them and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>look forward to next Tuesday in another discussion, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time, take care brother. If I care? What is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Suseette Low's camp. Get in touch with Suette Low's camp.