Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're going to pick up where we
left off with the Johanna Schoberg deposition, So let's just
get right back to it. McCauley, during this trip to
New York, did you have to perform any work when
you were at the New York House? Answer? I performed
at least one massage that I recall. McCauley. And who
instructed you to give that massage? Answer Jeffrey McCauley. And
can you describe for me what happened during that massage? Answer?
Near the end, he asked me to rub his nipples
while he masturbated. McCauley. And did that take place? Answer?
It did not, McCauley, and why not? Answer? I was
not comfortable with it, and so I left the room. McCauley.
Did you have any did you say anything to him
before leaving the room? Answer? I believe I said I'm done. McCauley.
Do you recall what his reaction was to that? Answer?
I do not at the time, at the moment, do not. McCauley.
Do you recall later what to this? Johanna interrupts, Well,
we had a conversation a little later talking about his expectations,
and that was the conversation where he said that the
next trip they were going on was to the island
in the Virgin Islands, and I would be invited. However
there would be quote sex stuff happening. McCauley, Can you
describe for me, Can you describe for me what the
in New York where you massaged and what that looked like? Answer?
He had one room that was the massage room. It
was about the size of a spa room in a spa.
It had high ceilings, It had dark tapestry on the walls.
It was a very dark room. There was a very
large picture of a naked woman whom I don't recall.
That's all I remember, McCauley. In the New York home.
Did you observe photos around the house? Answer I don't recall. McCauley.
In the Palm Beach home that we were talking about earlier,
did you recall seeing photos in that? Answer yes, McCauley.
And do you recall seeing photos of naked females in
that home? Answer yes, McCauley. Approximately, can you tell me
where you would see those in the home? Answer I
definitely saw them in his bathroom, and I can't recall
if they were in the main living areas. McCauley. Did
you see them in the stairwell up to the second
story of the house. Answer I can't recall. McCauley. Do
you know who who the people were in those photos?
Were they familiar to you? Answer no, McCauley. Were you
in any of those photos? Answer at one point, yes, McCauley.
And were you naked in these photos? Answer topless? McCauley,
do you recall seeing any naked photos of Virginia Roberts
Answer I do not. McCauley, where did you go next
after the New York visit? Answer? I went to the
Virgin Islands. McCauley. And who told you that you would
be going to the Virgin Islands? Answer? He asked me
if I wanted to go, and I said I would
still like to go. McCauley. And do you recall who
you you went with to the Virgin Islands? Answer? I believe, well,
I know Virginia was with me, Glaine was there, Jeffrey,
and there were two other women that I don't recall
their names. McCauley. Did you travel on Jeffrey's plane to
get to those islands. Answer yes, McCauley. I want to
show you again the flight log that you have there
in front of you. If you can flip to manager,
I'm going to object to the foundation once again. McCauley.
It's the same page that you were on. The date
is the eleventh answer yes, McCauley. Do you see the
teb to tist there? Answer yes, Manager objection leading. The
questioning is testifying now, McCauley. Can you please let me
finish my question. McCauley, can you tell me who the
initials are there that you see that we're on the
plane manager objection, Foundation leading answer Jeffrey Epstein, Gallaine, Maxwell,
AP and p K are the two women. I do
not recall, Virginia Roberts and myself. McCauley. Do you recall
how you flew back from the location in the US
Virgin Islands? Answer? They put me on a commercial flight.
I wanted to be home in time for easter. McCauley.
When you say they, do you recall who made those
arrangements for you? Answer? It could have been Glaine. McCauley.
Did you do you recall performing massages while you were
in the US virgin Islands. Answer yes, McCauley, who was
involved in Was there more than one? Answer? Yes, I
massage Glaine at one point, and I massage Jeffrey. Virginia
and I both on the beach. McCauley. Were you dressed
during the massage that was on the beach? Answer yes,
bikini's probably most likely. McCauley. Do you recall where Virginia
was wearing? Answer I believe she was wearing a bathing
suit as well. McCauley, were you paid for the massage
on the beach with Virginia. Answer at the end of
before I left and flew home, Glaine gave me one
thousand dollars. Just to interject, that was their mo that
was the hush money. Oh, they got paid. They were professionals.
There are prostitutes. That was all part of the baked
in plan. Folks. McCauley, you mentioned that you massaged. You
recall massage and Glaine on the trip to the USVII.
Do you recall where that took place? Answer? I don't
recall what days we were there, so McCauley, do you
recall where it took place? Answer? I believe it was well,
either in my guest cottage or one of them. There
were three guest houses set up that were all similar
that I was staying in Virginia, and I stayed in
one together, and it was either in there or in
another one that was identical. McCauley. And was that massage
performed with Virginia as well or by you alone? Answer?
I don't recall, McCauley. Was there other females in the
USVII on that trip with you besides Virginia? Answer to
others McCauley, And do you recall who they were? Answer?
I do not. McCauley. Did you ever see Glenn Maxwell
during that trip laying out by the pool? Answer? There
was one time where we were all by the pool, Yes, McCauley.
Was Glenn Maxwell ever nude or topless by the pool? Answer?
I don't recall. She was nude when she went swimming
in the ocean. McCauley at that moment in the USVII home.
Did you observe any photos there of nude females? Answer?
I don't recall, McCauley. Besides Virginia, who you mentioned you
observed to be young? Did you observe any other females that,
in your view, appeared to be essentially under the age
of eighteen. Answer no, McCauley. Did you observe any females
who you thought looked young younger than you? Answer no, McCauley.
Do you remember an individual by the name of or
dacted that you met during the time with Jeffrey Epstein?
Answer in Palm Beach McCauley, yes, Answer yes, McCauley. Did
you observe her to be young when you met her?
Menager Objection vague as to time, Johanna, All the women
were generally young. I did not know the ages really
of anyone there, so, McCauley. How many massages did Jeffrey
receive average in a day Manager Objection Foundation witness three
a day. McCauley. Let me back up for a minute.
How long did you work for Jeffrey and Golaine Manager
Objection Leading and Foundation, Johanna. I believe it was five years,
two thousand and one to two thousand and six, McCauley.
And how many massages did Epstein receive per day on average?
Manager Objection Foundation Johanna answers this question three, McCauley. Were
the massages performed by the same girl or different females
answer different Manager objection Foundation McCauley, what did the females
who perform the massages look like? Menager objection Foundation answer?
They all look different. Some of them were ethnic, some
were blonde, some were short, some were tall, everyone was thin. McCauley.
Were the girls who performed the massages young or old?
Menager objection to the Foundation answer, I don't recall anyone
being old. McCauley. Do you recall anybody being over the
age of, say, twenty five? Menager objection deform Yo wanna answers? Yeah,
I believe there was probably a few women that were
older than twenty five. Menager. I'm sorry. I get a
chance to object and then you can still answer. No
one is going to stop you from answering. I just
need to get the objection on the record in the
same way she needs to be able to talk before
you my apologies. I'm not trying to cut you off,
but I'm supposed to get it in before you answer. McCauley.
Did Jeffrey ever tell you he receives so many massages
from so many different girls? Menager objection hearsay McCauley, you
can answer her. Answer, he explained to me that, in
his opinion, he needed to have three orgasms a day.
It was biological like eating. McCauley. And what was your
reaction to that statement? Answer? I thought it was a
little crazy McCauley. And what did you do you recall
what when you observe the other females giving massages? Do
you recall what they would dress like? Did they wear
scrubs or did they typically wear normal clothes? Answer? Normal
clothes menager, objection leading. McCauley. Do you believe that, from
your observations, Maxwell and Epstein were a boyfriend and girlfriend?
Answer initially, yes, McCauley. Did Maxwell ever share with you
whether it bothered her that Jeffrey had so many girls around?
Menager objection leading answer no, actually the opposite. McCauley. What
did she say? Answer she let me know that she
was she would not be able to please him as
much as he needed, and that is why there were
other girls around. McCauley. Did there ever come a time
did you ever take a photography class in school? Answer yes, McCauley.
And did there ever come a time when Maxwell offered
to buy you a camera? Answer yes, Manager, objection leading
the witness. McCauley. Did Maxwell ever offer to buy you
a camera? Manager objection leading witness. Yes, McCauley. Was there
anything you were supposed to do in order to get
the camera manager objection leading Johanna, I did not know
that there were expectations of me to get the camera
until after she had purchased the camera for me and
I was over there giving Jeffrey massage. I did not
know that she was in possession of the camera until later.
She told me call me after I had left and said,
I have the camera for you, but you cannot receive
it yet because you came here and didn't finish your job,
and I had to finish it for you. McCauley. And
did you what did you understand her to me? Answer?
She was implying that I did not get Jeffrey off,
and so she had to do it. McCauley. And when
you say get Jeffrey off, do you mean bringing him
to orgasm? Answer yes, McCauley. Did Glaine ever describe to
you what types of girls Jeffrey likes? Answer? Model types. McCauley.
Did Glaine ever talk to you about how you should
act around Jeffrey. Answer, she just had a conversation with
me that I should always act grateful. McCauley. Did Jeffrey
ever tell you that he took a girl's virginity? Answer?
He did not tell me. He told he told a
friend of mine. McCauley. And what do you recall about that,
manager objection hearsay Foundation Schoberg. He wanted to have a
friend of mine come out who was a cardio kickboxer instructor.
She was a physical trainer, and so I brought her
over to the house and he told my friend Rachel
that he said, you see that girl over there laying
by the pool, she was nineteen, and then he said,
I just took her virginity, and my friend Rachel was mortified. McCauley.
Based on what you know, did Maxwell know what the
type of massages Jeffrey was getting typically involved sexual acts?
Manager objection Foundation leading answer, Yes, McCauley. What was Maxwell's
main job with respect to Jeffrey Manager objection to the Foundation, Johanna, Well,
beyond companionship. Her job, as it related to me, was
to find other girls that would perform massages for him
and herself. McCauley. Did Maxwell ever refer to the girls
in a particular way. Answer. At one point when we
were on the island, we were all watching a movie
and she called us her children. McCauley. Did anybody respond
to that? Answer? I don't recall, McCauley. Did she ever
refer to herself as a mother? Answer yes, like a
mother hen McCauley, do you recall who was present at
the time she made that comment about children? Answer? This
was the second trip that I took to the Virgin Islands,
So no, I don't want to speak, you know, incorrectly.
I can't remember. I can't really remember. McCauley. Have you
ever met David Copperfield? Answer yes, McCauley. And do you
recall when you initially met him? Answer yes, McCauley. Can
you tell me what that was? Answer sure. Someone called
me from the house and said that he would be
there and if I wanted to come at dinner then
I can meet him. So when I arrived at the house,
he wasn't there yet, but I waited with I believe
Sarah Kellen, and there was another girl there which I
had never met and had never seen. She seemed young
to me, and I asked her what school she went to?
Kind of prodding to see if she went to one
of the area colleges. And I did not recognize the
name of the school, and so I thought she could
be younger than college age. But I had to assume
for my own sanity that she was a daughter of
one of his friends. McCauley. But it was possible she
was the school. Is it possible that the school she
referred to was a high school? Answer, yes, McCauley. And
what happened at this dinner? If anything? Answer? He did
some magic tricks. McCauley. Did you observe David Copperfield to
be a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's answer Yes, McCauley. Did
Copperfield ever discuss Jeffrey's involvement with young girls with you? Answer?
He questioned me if I was aware that girls were
getting paid to find other girls? So again, David Copperfield knew,
But none of these other so called smartest men in
the room had any idea. Huh, I'm calling bullshit from
here to next Wednesday. McCauley. Did he ever tell you
any of the specifics of that Answer? No, McCauley. Did
he say whether they were teenagers or anything along those lines.
Answer he did not manager objection, leading calls for hearsay.
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